spoiler-chat

[obtuse gyro]

Because that dude was the drifter

[cyan crest]

I'm impressed you were kinda right about Dominus in the end

[obtuse gyro]

I am totally not a time traveler

[cyan crest]

Yeah, that's what a non time traveler would say, I guess you must be telling the truth

By the way, Drusus mentions that all children in the empire knew about the story of the venomous thrax

Guess we now know what that story was about

[loud kayak]

when Bombastine said "You wouldn't do this to any other wyrm" the only thing I could think of was "I'm not like other wyrms"

[balmy storm]

They literally told us what Thrax was before we knew what Thrax was

[supple dagger]

Does the Zariman have Cephalon Shards

Or just Somachords

[frail nymph]

Cephalon Fragments? It does not

[supple dagger]

Oh. When did de last add fragments to a zone

[frail nymph]

7 years maybe?

[supple dagger]

;-;

[frail nymph]

Do you have all the fragments from the other planets?

You might want to open a completed planet in codex and move your mouse around the screen carefully while listening

[supple dagger]

Nope I'm trying to get all of them
Yeah I know that too

[dawn heron]

Are the things around the lotus's hand the drifter's arm or some sentient thing I couldn't really tell

[velvet wing]

I think their her fingies? You mean the little flap flaps yeah?

[obtuse gyro]

Her hand somehow sentienised drifters hand and parasited it

[frigid edge]

quick question: ||once I've finished the duviri quest how can I get my hands on an incarnon adapter?||

[ripe tinsel]

its the drifter's arm

[obtuse gyro]

Have you unlocked the steel path

[frigid edge]

just normal sp? yeah

[ripe tinsel]

she can make amalgams of sentient and humans, this is just an extension of that ability

[obtuse gyro]

Do the circuit in sp

[frigid edge]

aight thanks

are they random drops or milestones?

[obtuse gyro]

Milestone

[ripe tinsel]

circuit is buggy right now though

[obtuse gyro]

You have to select 2 of the adaptors for this week (also need to select reward track for normal circuit)

Yea dont do it past stage 3

Once stage 3 is done extract

[serene epoch]

Aight, thanks for clearing it lol, that's what I thought as I had just finished the quest last night so it was fresh but foggy

[cyan crest]

He's not...

[obtuse gyro]

Yea dominus isnt a tenno

[wispy jasper]

His existence is like the man in the wall

[sinful tree]

Congrats on warlord char

Or dragon or whatever you want to be called lol

[reef dirge]

This is the scariest scene in the quest tbh

[reef dirge]

Teshin and Drifter literally say word for word I’m the quest that Dominus is a Tenno

[obtuse gyro]

Show me the word for word lol

[cyan crest]

Teshin says at first he believes he is a tenno, but then later everything confirms he is a manifestation made by the drifter subconsciously

Hell, it probably was a paradise for drifter the first years
Dominus says they played along at first, but then got the idea to leave and started the whole execution cycle

Hell x2, drifter says at the end that they always had control over duviri because they created it in the first place

[obtuse gyro]

hell x3
Drifter: "Sometimes you get stuck. Sometimes you go numb. The color drains away. You stop trying, and that just feeds the spiral going down. Maybe you'll get lucky one day. You see yourself in the mirror and snap out of it. But for some of us... it takes more. A friend. A stranger. A story. A helping hand."
Drifter literally describes duviri

[cyan crest]

And Dominus' face is a mask, like every other manifestation in place (Luscinia, Bonbastine, Lodun)

[cyan crest]

It's also a metaphor for depressions and telling people with it to go get help, and not subtly

[cyan crest]

Hell x4, Dominus is the King in the Stories from Duviri book

[obtuse gyro]

yea I meant to say that this was the primary thing but drifter is doing a tongue in cheek reference to duviri

[cyan crest]

It's also kind of telling us that they at first got out of their depression with the duviri tales

[signal junco]

dominus in latin literally means "ruler"

[cyan crest]

The story part
It then got them even more depressed

[cyan crest]

Yeah

[signal junco]

what happened to the other children tho

do we know anything about that

[cyan crest]

Not really

[signal junco]

the drifter got depressed so ig its safe to assume he got no social contact with any other human in a long time, so i doubt they are anywhere on the ship

[cyan crest]

I mean, the quest is literally them feeling emotions for the first time in forever

Teshin dies happy because of that

And then he Un-dies... again...
But hey he has the scars from Erra's crack

[reef dirge]

DE really has a hate boner for Teshin. My man can't get a break lol. Not even in death

[cyan crest]

I wish we interacted more with Dominus after returning him his throne

[signal junco]

literally teshin

[cyan crest]

Oh btw how do you name your Kaithe?

[obtuse gyro]

r8 riding iirc

[signal junco]

btw dominus is a void manifestation too right?

[cyan crest]

Yeah, he's a character from the book like the Wyrms

The Wyrms are the emotional characters, right?

[obtuse gyro]

yeap

[signal junco]

someone on r/warframelore theorized dominus is supposed to represent how the drifter views the orokin (childish, easily offended etc)

lemme find it

[cyan crest]

He was a friend for them at first tho

[signal junco]

here

[cyan crest]

He only turned on them when they got the idea to leave

I mean, drifter/operator even had a doll of him

[signal junco]

would have been nice if we got the doll alongside the book

[graceful zodiac]

The premise is flawed because the colonists did have lives outside of the Zariman. They were all picked to go on.

The rest of our is solid, but also kinda falls apart when you see Dominus is the way they are because of a storybook

[signal junco]

the book was written by who tho

i forgor, im sure it was mentioned

[cyan crest]

I wonder if Mother based Lodun on Father

[graceful zodiac]

Mother

[signal junco]

lodun is the anger guy right

[cyan crest]

Mother, like mother Entrati, Necralisk

[fast goblet]

does anyone else here have issues where duviri literally just stops showing quest markers for stages and kinda forces you to just leave because you cant progress the stages

like ive gone in 4 times now and its done the same thing

[cyan crest]

Yeah
He's not similar to Vilkor in any mayor sense but the narrator calls him something along the lines of pathetic and like
Yeah i can see her putting a bit of hatred for her husband in the book

[fast goblet]

are sorrow, fear, joy, anger and envy all aspects of dominus himself? or seperate beings entirely

[signal junco]

the emotions are seperate beings afaik

[fast goblet]

because they each seem to have some story relating to dominus, but implies that they arent dominus himself, which confuses me

ohh i see

[cyan crest]

The spirals are influenced by how Thrax feels, but his emotions are influenced by the Wyrms, who are separate entities

[fast goblet]

neat. well another curiosity then, do we know if the orowyrms originated from the duviri paradox? or is there something more to them. i mean theyre obviously orokin in design but who exactly made them originally if anyone

[pallid steeple]

how can you earn the new drifter warframe weapons?

[cyan crest]

The ones in Duviri are the characters in the book, the ones that appear elsewhere are probably orokin designs

[fast goblet]

oh neat. i have a lot of questions lol, for another one. whenever you go to caverns inside duviri theres fragments of the zarimans rooms shattered throughout the land, i forget if it was explained but isnt duviri some terraforming thing associated with the zariman? i thought i heard that somewhere but idk if its true

or is that more because dominus has control over it since you gave it to him, and hes just pulling from memories aboard the zariman itself

[cyan crest]

The concept at first was that it was the Zariman terraforming the void, but now the entirety of Duviri seems to be a manifestation created by the drifter but subconsciously, probably to escape the horros of the zariman to the realm of the book they read

So, because it was made by the drifter, it has elements from the Zariman

[fast goblet]

ah i see, so the terraforming thing was a scrapped idea i presume

[cyan crest]

Seems like it

[fast goblet]

on stuff less related to this but ive been curious about, with the requiem cutscenes im deimos explaining how we got the man in the walls finger, another thing ive always been curious on is, when albercht went into the void briefly he described an entity that was the same as him but not, implying whatever that was, was some figment of the man in the wall if im remembering right. do we know if that was the first instance of people from "this side" encountering the man in the wall? or did it happen well before that

[cyan crest]

Yeah it was the first time, it was the first void incursion ever

And as such it went horribly

[fast goblet]

so weird hypthesis, since the man in the wall is connected to everyone seemingly, but also nobody, as least on our "side" i guess. could alberchts encounter there have been what initially created this man in the wall? or is it possible it existed well before that, but had no means of interacting with us

because any time weve had weird run ins with it, he either looks like our operator, or looks like albercht. like in the end of new war

[cyan crest]

Both are possibilities, spmeone mentioned dialogue in Duviri implies Wally is indeed a manifestation from Albrecht's fear, but we don't have enough info at the moment

[fast goblet]

neat, i love the lore intricacy of this game

[graceful zodiac]

They said as much before in the TennoCon art panel

[wicked iron]

What dialogue implies he's a manifestation of Albrecht's fear?

[signal junco]

the reason wally looks like our op is cuz it has no permanent form
it just takes the form of the person it visits
as for what we saw at tnw, thats not albrecht but Da Vinci's vitruvian man
why he looks like that is probably a developer gag cuz literal man in a literal wall (haha get it)

[fast goblet]

thats actually really cool

the whole scene was creepy in all the right ways to me, hence why i want more man in the wall stuff

[fast goblet]

something that reminded me of, isnt the cipher thing in umbras quest called a vitruvian cipher? or something like that? my brains foggy on that but

if so its weird to me theyve used that term before as well

[signal junco]

it is

[fast goblet]

hmmm, i wonder if theres any correlation, of if its just a concept the devs like

not to man in the wall, but vitruvian as a term in warframe in general

Could just ve "haha fancy word go brrrr"

[supple dagger]

The Vitruvian man symbolizes a perfect human being who’s like at the center of the universe or something

Or a perfect entity, in Wallys case

[rancid lark]

Spoiler i dont think you got it but somewhere in duviri a character ( I dont know her name ) hearing Rell. She sad something about this : A hear it everywhere, Rap Tap Tap

Something like this

[thick jolt]

It wasnt rell that made up the rap tap tap it was the man in the wall
This becomes clear when you hear the finger tapping in the reliquary drive
Rell just repeated what he probably kept hearing for who knows how long

[rancid lark]

Ohhhh sorry 🥹 thanx by the way

[supple dagger]

Yea and Wally was even tapping the glass when you first meet him during TNW classroom section

[thick jolt]

That too

[quasi veldt]

when using the azothane as a drifter you use block and attack to use it's special ability but as a warframe you can't block so how do you use the ability or can you? is it in the stance somewhere maybe?

[wicked iron]

Hold the weapon swap button in Warframe to swap to melee, then you can block.

F by default for PC.

Then right-click should allow blocking.

[signal junco]

Is that supposed to indicate that wally is a god of sorts

[wispy jasper]

Finding the last lore fragment in an area is maddening

[wicked iron]

Please keep trading messages to #pc-trading . 🙂

[fossil maple]

will do

[wicked iron]

#players-helping-players would be the better place to ask for this. 🙂

[midnight lark]

ok, tysm

[supple dagger]

Maybe, who knows

[fast goblet]

i unlocked some sort of chamber in the duviri paradox, underneath the archarbor. and theres an interesting chunk of.. dialogue bits down there?

where the bird is. idk what to make of it though but if anyones interested i can screenshot it and post

spoilered them all, even if im in spoiler chat not sure how many people wanna see or find for themselves

but reading over them, it has a lot to do with understanding psyche and emotional states. shifting perspective etc, considering how emotion heavy the whole duviri paradox is, makes me wonder

what if theres something hidden with each cycle of emotion, since the map is slightly different on each. that you can only find by taking this stuff a little literally. because it talks about emotion, identifying them, discerning them, perspective, and things forgotten

just my thoughts though. i can be completely wrong

[fast goblet]

and if this were the case, it could explain some things ive noticed wandering duviri. or i could just be dumb and not know what it actually does, but like

theres a cave that lets you push this one specific locker thing jammed into the wall, but doing it does nothing. just wiggles it, and it doesnt let you push it again

random stuff like that might have a purpose if there is some hidden sequence of things to do with each cycle

[wicked burrow]

Btw, if anyone was wondering there is lore stuff to be found on duvrir, just you don’t scan but pick them up, they look like big hard drives, they are wroth 5 intrinsics, happy hunting,

[wild wind]

Duviri added an extra wrinkle to the paradox that I hadn't considered, namely that the Drifter is both an aged version of the Operator that doesn't take the deal, and also the Operator who falls into the Void during The New War

[wicked iron]

The one who falls in?

[wild wind]

Yeah

[wicked iron]

That would mean he is the one who took the deal.

[wild wind]

Not via paradox rules

Drifter mentions that they can't remember if they were on the ship or fell through the same hole that threw Teshin in

Because they're both

[balmy storm]

Didn’t Teshin bring up multiple theories?
Thrax being a tenno
This being another timeline
etc

[wicked iron]

The Paradox is that the Operator is helping the Drifter, I think. Otherwise, he would just have been a version of us from the future.

[wild wind]

Teshin says straight up that Thrax is another Tenno, unless there's more dialogue that I haven't heard

Duviri is the place beyond timelines

[balmy storm]

Well Thrax straight up is not another Tenno

[wild wind]

Just like there's only one Operator now there's only one Drifter now

The Operator is all the versions of the Tenno that took the deal early on

The Drifter is all the versions of the Tenno that fell into the deep void (including the ones from TNW)

[wicked iron]

Where was it said that we're all of each?

[fast goblet]

does anyone know what the text in the archarbor is for? or

[wild wind]

Baro actually. "I took a deal that merged all of my alternate selves together!"
Then TNW: All the various operators fading except the one holding WallyDrifter's hand

[wicked iron]

Interesting part of the paradox for the Drifter is that their memories became intermingled with ours, somehow. Explains the veil thing even better for The New War, come to think of it.

[fast goblet]

it seems important considering the puzzle needed to get to it

[wild wind]

yeah exactly

[wicked iron]

If that's true, though, then there can't be a Drifter.

At least with how our deal went.

[wild wind]

Nah because it's still a binary

[wicked iron]

There wouldn't exist a version of us that didn't take the deal.

[wild wind]

If there's an Operator who took the deal then there's one that didn't

[wicked iron]

Like how there can no longer be a Baro that didn't.

[balmy storm]

Teshin mentions something about experience and things feeling familiar even when they shouldn’t

[wild wind]

There's always one that didn't

Because of how Duviri works

Deep void, sorry

[wicked iron]

Not if the way it worked for Baro applies to us. There can't be any that didn't, if that's the case.

[wild wind]

Well I guess both? Augh.

[wicked iron]

Because all were merged into one.

[wild wind]

Baro never took a bath in the deep void

There's an extra layer of "What the duck" involved there

because of the implication at the very end of Duviri that the Drifter is the original Tenno and the Operator is the divergent

[fast goblet]

ig ill try to figure out this text stuff myself

[wicked burrow]

Tbh the way de setup the story kinda makes it hard to connect it with new war, what they needed to have was a branching story line if you played new war VRs starting a new game path

[balmy storm]

My understanding of Op and Drifter is they are 2 timelines versions of the same individual who have merged to essentially be entangled
Only one can exist but they both still exist

[wild wind]

And that the whole chain "started" when the Drifter started trying to get out of the deep void

[wicked iron]

Which is why I don't think every Tenno was merged into one, because then it wouldn't make sense. There couldn't be a Drifter, in such a case. And if there still was a Drifter from us falling in, then we would have remembered how to use our Void powers in a fashion similar to The War Within. As far as I can tell, though, the Drifter doesn't get Void powers until we share ours in The New War.

[balmy storm]

Drifter’s story from what I gather is that they’re from another timeline where we didn’t take the deal and at some point after that they manifest Duviri and Thrax, due to the weirdness of the void and the Paradox itself the Operator helps Drifter to escape so that the Drifter can help the Operator

[wicked iron]

That's my understanding as well, but I guess we'll see if DE elaborates on it all more. XD

[balmy storm]

I think it’s less a merging into one and more they both exist but only one can exist but they still both exist, essentially being a living, breathing paradox

[wicked iron]

Well, that's the Traveler idea thing they based the Drifter on initially you're talking about, which is why only one can be in "real space" at a time.

[balmy storm]

Which makes sense since the Duviri Paradox would be the “Two Man Paradox”
So it fits both in who they are after TNW and for the whole of the Duviri Paradox story

[wicked iron]

Otherwise, the Drifter would have to find a way to their own timeline version of the universe to exist outside of the Void at the same time we exist outside of it.

I really like how this nicely ties up the plothole of the Veil in The New War, though. 😄

[balmy storm]

I kinda just see it as they both exist at the same time even though the laws of the universe demand they can’t, so we get that flip-flop effect we see with Lotus

[wicked iron]

Well, in addition to just living the update in general lol

[balmy storm]

omg you’re so right-

[wild wind]

So like, the thing about the Void and Duviri is that it exists outside of linear time

Which is how the real nonsense can start up

[potent ember]

Drifter came out of Duviri, but Duviri did not come out of Drifter :))

[balmy storm]

That’s kinda poetic that the first Veil we see put onto someone is also the veil that ends Ballas

[wild wind]

Bingo!

[wicked iron]

Well, Duviri did come out of the Drifter, though.

[wild wind]

But that was when Operator was in the void

[balmy storm]

The thing about Duviri is that it’s a manifestation in of itself
But yes, due to being where it is, it’s outside of “Linear” time

[wicked iron]

Drifter created it.

[wild wind]

Because if one of them got out, then one has to go in.
And if the other one goes in, then the other one has to be out

[balmy storm]

Duviri, Drifter and everything there was all manifested from Drifter’s emotions
Even though they’re manifestations they’re as real as anything else

[wicked iron]

If that were the case, Drifter at best would be a Void manifestation. Otherwise, the Operator would have returned from the Void as the Drifter.

[wild wind]

They did!

[balmy storm]

They didn’t

[wicked iron]

But they didn't.

[balmy storm]

They returned from the void as themself

[wicked iron]

We came back as ourselves, the Operator.

[potent ember]

Operator returned anyway already completely different

[wicked iron]

I don't think Drifter manifested themselves, though. Otherwise, they would be like all over Void manifestations. Instead, they look perfectly Human.

[balmy storm]

I meant to write Thrax
I’m so tired :p

[wicked iron]

Ah derp lol

[wild wind]

But the Drifter is made up of both the version who never escaped the void and the Operator who Ballas threw in. So when they escape Duviri between part 1 and 2 of TNW, there's one out and one in

[wicked iron]

The Drifter is the one who didn't escape. I think with the memory jumbling, that may have happened when we were thrown in (considering it seems to start after the phantasmal sword strikes, Lotus' hand is retrieved, and talking to Teshin occurs).

But they are still a separate entity.

Not just a future version of ourselves, as was pointed out in The New War.

[balmy storm]

I think you’re right that the sword, lotus’ hand and just all the things from our timeline entering theirs is messing with their head
False memories essentially

[wicked iron]

Again, though. These are my theories based on what I saw and heard. Nothing against anyone else's ideas, of course! 😄

[wild wind]

My thinking is that the paradox started even earlier. Because I sure can see a read on things where the Drifter is the one who sets up Duviri to get the Operator out

[wicked iron]

But talking things through can lead to interesting realizations.

[wild wind]

Which creates an opening for Thrax to take over instead

[wicked iron]

Like how it was due to this conversation I realized the Veil plothole was fixed lol

[balmy storm]

I think that might be one of the coolest details tbh

[wicked iron]

But Thrax didn't exist until after Duviri was created, as far as I can recall from the quest.

Drifter created Duviri and Dominus.

[wicked iron]

Same!!

Really nice little touch, for sure.

[balmy storm]

We know Duviri only exists post-Zariman jump, we know it’s long enough that the void angely corruption is starting and that they could do nothing to stop it (since they’re just a child)
Then, from their emotions, Duviri is manifested

[wild wind]

Haha, Duviri is the Drifter's Zariman

It's just that time and space are so messed up you're seeing it from the outside as well as the inside

[balmy storm]

It is!
Which means the one that hangs in the sky could be ours

[wild wind]

It's like a black hole

Where gravity (or emotion, in this case) is so strong that you can see yourself before you enter the black hole's gravity well

[wicked iron]

I still want to know where the other survivors like Drifter wound up...

[wild wind]

(Good ST Voyager episode about that actually)

[wicked iron]

They're not on Duviri, far as I can tell.

[orchid remnant]

Oh yeah! How did the Zariman re-enter the system? Was it like gotten back, consigned to void AGAIN, and then once the holdfasts manifested, it came back once more?

[balmy storm]

If the Zariman in the sky isn’t Drifter’s they’re dead

[orchid remnant]

Maybe they have their own personal duviris

[balmy storm]

I actually think everyone else being dead is what caused this

[wicked iron]

Three theories are that it is Drifter's Zariman, ours, or both.

[wild wind]

I mean.

It's everyone's and no one's.

according to the Lotus the Zariman's been ghost shipping it up, popping in and out of the system for a while

[wicked iron]

I personally think it's the Operator's, since it came to our universe instead of the Drifter's.

[wild wind]

which doesn't match the behavior of the one that the Operator and company were found on

technically the Drifter doesn't have a home universe, since their timeline is "never got out of the void"

[wicked iron]

Well, the Operator's could have vanished back into the Void after initial recovery (or been thrown in by the Orokin to hide their mess).

My personal theories, but we'll see if we ever find out more lol

[wild wind]

my god I hope that's it, that'd be so cool

And like it'd explain a bunch

[balmy storm]

I hope we get an answer about the Zariman eventually

[wild wind]

Why did the Zariman come out clean? The kids cleaned it up before going fey.

[wicked iron]

Precisely why I can't get it out of my head, after I originally thought of it. XD

[balmy storm]

Teshin’s cave is interesting since it literally is connected to the Zariman we now have

[wild wind]

[potent ember]

so Zariman is like a passage between the worlds ?

[balmy storm]

Which, considering he’s our Teshin, I wonder if that could confirm it’s ours (Operator’s)

[wicked iron]

Came out clean once, went back in somehow, popped out a mess (possibly more than one time in and out like this). My theory.

[wild wind]

I suspect the Zariman is both the Drifter and operator's

[balmy storm]

Wasn’t there something about it’s logs too?

[wild wind]

It's a lifeline between the null timeline of the Drifter never getting out, and our universe

[balmy storm]

Technically there was a time where they were one in the same

[wild wind]

Very true!

[wicked iron]

And we know this Zariman had Void-powered children, due to Holdfast statements.

[wild wind]

Yeah so that's just about confirmation then

[wicked iron]

I freaking love this darn game. XD So much interesting stuff in it!

[balmy storm]

I mean, due to void weirdness the Zariman could literally be the same as Drifter and Operator by the end of TNW

[balmy storm]

Ikr

[wild wind]

Good point Ducky

[balmy storm]

I’m still in awe that they literally told us who Thrax was and we still theorized he was a Tenno

We should listen to Drusus more

[orchid remnant]

Drusus?

[wicked iron]

They could have merged, but we see the front of the ship outside, while the Drifter also sees the front from in Duviri. I think they're mirrored from the portal.

[balmy storm]

I think I butchered it
The leverian guy

[wicked iron]

Drifter's inside, Operator's outside.

[orchid remnant]

Wait did the Leverian get something new? I didn’t hear him in the quest

[balmy storm]

I like that theory

[wicked iron]

I don't believe so, but I can't say for sure.

[balmy storm]

I don’t remember which one it was but it’s an old leverian (by this point)
It mentions the “Venomous Thrax” from a story

I think it was Styanax’s but I’m probably wrong

But yeah, they literally told us who he was lol

[wicked iron]

Did they?

[wild wind]

We have so many monsters. Every child in Orokin times heard legends of the bellygaunt, the slather, and the venomous thrax. Those were only stories, but one was real.

Styanax Leverian

[wicked iron]

Thanks!

[wild wind]

So actually it'd be that the character of Dominus Thrax in the Duviri Tales would have been named after the monster

[wicked iron]

Slather makes me think of some big monster just running around slathering bbq or hot sauce on children before running away.

[balmy storm]

We see the story book with Dominus

[orchid remnant]

Ohhh right! That’s so smart of them

Wonder when we’re going to see the bellygaunt and the slather

[wild wind]

Like naming a character in a story "King Minotaur"

[balmy storm]

Can’t wait for those moods

[wicked iron]

Bellygaunt just gets eaten by Grendel.

[balmy storm]

Him being labeled as Venomous makes me think of just how Envious Thrax is

[wild wind]

Well no no no, it's different. The "thrax" would be a monster, like a chupacabra

Then they took the monster and made a character in a story named after him

To signal how much bad news he is

[balmy storm]

So it was a story about the monster then someone wrote the storybook with Dominus Thrax which eventually becomes the manifestation in Duviri?

[wild wind]

It's a fairy tale about a fantasy kingdom ruled by a child who's named after a monster

[balmy storm]

It’s either that or when they say Monster they mean it in the same way a human can be a “monster”

[wild wind]

nah, the leverian story uses thrax in lower case

[balmy storm]

Which tbh I think you’re right cause as dangerous as Thrax is he’s kinda wimpy when actually confronted

[wild wind]

So it's not a proper noun/name

[balmy storm]

That too :p

[orchid remnant]

I wonder if the Tales of Duviri had rival kings like Lord Bellygaunt and Baron Slather?

[wild wind]

Almost certainly not

[orchid remnant]

Maybe we just didn’t get to that chapter

[wild wind]

Because Lodun was the rival

[balmy storm]

I hope not, I never want to see Baron Slather 😦

Lodun angy

[hollow totem]

DE nooooo not like this when rabbit is smarter than you 😄 meme this is going to be a new meme

[wicked iron]

[balmy storm]

Omg I struggled so hard against that Rabbit until my friend accidentally made a full proof strategy

[hollow totem]

is it possible to beat it in a few moves ?

cause this mission is taking awhile

[balmy storm]

You can get 9 points in like 10 moves

[wicked burrow]

Still tink go would’ve been funnier then Komi

[hollow totem]

Ow max 10 capture points i see

because if i am not mistaken normal komi usually fills the board before it can finish

[balmy storm]

It’s too hard to explain and after getting the 9 you still have to get the 1 to win but it isn’t too hard by that point

[hollow totem]

i did not get to read the objective / hints, ally started the final mission so i have to help them

[balmy storm]

I might make a video or something since it works most of the time

[hollow totem]

i probably feel like DE watch Isekai nonbiri nouka 😄

[balmy storm]

No idea what that is

[hollow totem]

https://youtu.be/h5q4RSybZQs?t=6

[balmy storm]

The Rabbit is smarter than us

[sharp spoke]

Okay so clearly I spaced out and I'm dumb and missed something. And I know I'm joining the conversation late, so I'm sorry I know I'm asking questions that have already been asked.
So, all of Duviri is from the storybook, but the Drifter is the one who created it. Many of the characters we encounter are manifestations of Thrax's emotions. But... is Dominus Thrax real, or did "we" imagine him up?
Loved the quest, though I really would've liked more face to face time with some of the characters. But clearly I'm missing some big chunks of context

[graceful zodiac]

We manifested Thrax. His emotions are a reflection of us

[real niche]

It's literally all just Drifter's acid trip, made real via Void.

[sharp spoke]

Understood, thanks haha

[hollow totem]

he is real, his a manifestation from operator / drifter mind
where the void granted us that power

[ruby parrot]

Sooooo, are we still Tenno? That still a thing? Is this Teshin the same Teshin we knew before? Im kinda confused.

[wicked iron]

This is the Operator's Teshin, yes.

Drifter's is probably long dead, since I'm sure their everything and everyone were likely wiped out by the Sentients without Tenno to save them lol

And what this one says ties into being the Operator's.

[hollow totem]

tho it never been shown i feel operator teshin got teleported there same thing happened to lotus hand but the hand arrive in late, tenshin arrived early

[wicked iron]

Didn't get shown, but he did say he fell into a portal (with a description of what happened in TNW, I believe), meaning he was still alive after the helmet crack that split people on whether he was dead or alive. Given he doesn't look like a Holdfast with their specific Void corruption look, I'm pretty sure he's the real Teshin and not an echo.

[sharp spoke]

So I'm curious now if Thrax is still intended to represent a larger threat/influence in the main story? There was that line in a trailer or something where he's commenting on Drifter wanting to leave Duviri. Something like "What could possibly be so interesting? Maybe I should find out myself...". Obviously we know void can manifest in physical ways, but would it even be possible for Thrax, a product of Drifter's void-powered-imagination, to enter "our realm"?

[wicked iron]

That was just a trailer like, most likely.

[sharp spoke]

That's... disappointing.

[wicked iron]

But I don't see why he wouldn't be able to enter our realm. Thrax and Angels seems able to.

[fast goblet]

Theres a symbol puzzle in the archarbor where the text dumps are

[wicked iron]

And he still likely does want to come see what's going on, given how Teshin says if the Angels succeed in the Undercoft that Dominus can escape.

[fast goblet]

I have no idea how to do it though

In the chamber with the bird

[exotic meteor]

Can someone explain the story of duviri paradox? What does it mean it is a dream? And is drifter the original ruler of the realm?

[wicked iron]

Not a dream, no. Drifter originally created Duviri and Dominus, yes.

Did you have any other specific questions, or just kind of want as good of an explanation as we can give?

Note that different folks will have different interpretations of certain things. 🙂

[exotic meteor]

Is teshin truly dead? Then how he becomes the main npc to guide us after the quest?

[wicked iron]

Teshin is alive.

Drifter turned back time to reverse his death at the end of the quest.

[exotic meteor]

And does warframe/orokin technology existed in duviri before the new war event?

Also is this quest a prequel ro the new war? Or after it?

[wicked iron]

I think so, since it was created from the Drifter's imagination.

It's both before and after The New War, since it's a paradox.

[exotic meteor]

Damn I definitely miss this part

[wicked iron]

Yeah, Drifter sat in the throne and did the first slam like Dominus to turn back time, then was back in the cave with Teshin.

And they converse about Drifter choosing to do that after they had gained control over all of Duviri, and Drifter just says the exchange was worth it (implying having Teshin alive again).

[exotic meteor]

When and how did dominus time travel? Did he do that to usurp drifter's throne?

[graceful zodiac]

Dominus doesn't have time travel

[wicked iron]

We don't know, for sure. Could be Drifter created everything, but just never ruled due to being so young at the time and not realizing what was going on.

Dominus does reset the "day" in Duviri, but doesn't time travel in the sense of going back in time and entering the Origin system around the time of Vor's Prize or before then, for instance.

[exotic meteor]

Sorry i dont mean time travel but control of time

When did dominus show this power cos i miss it

[balmy storm]

Considering Thrax is the king in the story it may have just been that the story carried on as usual, Drifter made it all but never had full control until the moment we see

[wicked iron]

Whenever you die, you see Dominus reset the day.

[balmy storm]

Slamming one’s fist upon the Throne resets the day

[wicked iron]

That's how Drifter comes back to life each time.

[balmy storm]

Whomever rules Duviri just hits their chair and boom :p

[wicked iron]

Yes, but no. We did also see Drifter turn back time some to repair the throne, for instance.

[hollow totem]

tho i am not sure if the drifter can reverse time outside duviri

[wicked iron]

Then did the fist slam to reset the day.

[balmy storm]

Most likely no, Duviri is a manifestation they created but outside that?
They would have no power

[hollow totem]

the throne represents duviri i think when he fixed it he slam it to reverse time
so i guess no also

[balmy storm]

To an extent the same can probably be said for Thrax too, at least for the reset

I’m kinda sad we didn’t get the Throne as a decoration, I’d love to sit up there

[hollow totem]

do resources booster affect drop rate in duviri ?

[wicked iron]

Yep!

[exotic meteor]

Lol i never died in the quest so i dont know that

[balmy storm]

I wonder why they went with the spiral effect for the reset, it feels weirdly out of place
But so does Duviri in a way

[exotic meteor]

Someone suggest it is a homage to the twilight a paranormal tv series

[balmy storm]

The Twilight Zone?

I can see that tbh

[exotic meteor]

Yeah that

[balmy storm]

I do love looking out my big window and just seeing a hypnotizing spiral

[wicked iron]

Probably to tie into them being called spirals.

[exotic meteor]

Looking back at ppl play through i remember when did dominus show his power. When we are first tormented by him he reset the time so we didnt die

[wicked iron]

On the nose, but I thought it worked lol

[exotic meteor]

Didnt get it until now

[rancid solar]

So our Uncle Teshin is alive and well in a cave? Or was that just a vision/void manifestation like the Zariman crew?

[wicked iron]

Yeah, true! He did do it once, before we got phantom stabbed and the hand fell.

[wicked iron]

Alive. 😄

[balmy storm]

Probably, I kinda just saw the Spiral as part of spiraling into an emotion
But it works with the spiral of every day feeling the same

[rancid solar]

Wasn’t sure because of those glowing scars

[balmy storm]

Those are probably damage from the void

It’s honestly probably a miracle he survived and didn’t go mad tbh

[sharp spoke]

Brain damage from Erra's head crush gave him immunity to crazy

[balmy storm]

The Entrati: write that down WRITE THAT DOWN

[rancid solar]

That Dax helm is good against brain crushing. That makes two that survived it

[sharp spoke]

[exotic meteor]

Tbh I think man of wall save teshin from erra

If teshin is dead he wont be able to help drifter, our drifter will not be able to escape duviri realm, control warframe and help the main timeline operator to defeat ballas

[balmy storm]

I kinda hope we get a quest later on that shows the Operator’s perspective after being tossed into the void, we know they show up to help Drifter via the Paradox but I wanna know more
Like what exactly happened

Maybe I missed something though

[rancid solar]

I figured they just floated in a sort of Limbo until they were pulled into the Zariman

[sharp spoke]

That's gotta be a quest later, right?

[exotic meteor]

19 hours later we will know from the devstream

[wicked iron]

It could be, but I am also wondering if all Dax have similar scars, hence their specific helmets and all.

[balmy storm]

So not void scars?
Maybe they’re from the Orokin somehow, possibly relating to whatever process the Dax go through for their “obedience”

[balmy storm]

Can’t wait to learn about gardening

[sharp spoke]

Whats-his-face didn't. Umbra's son. He had the armor, so, official Dax, no?

[balmy storm]

Darn, that woulda been kinda cool in the most messed up way tho

[sharp spoke]

Agreed

[wicked iron]

They could be Void scars! I just wonder if it's a Dax thing in general, though. XD

[wicked iron]

Aahhhhh, he did show his face, yeah. Was he a full Dax, though, or still in training?

[balmy storm]

Considering they glow that voidy color I think it’s possible, makes me wonder if he was attacked or if they formed from exposure

[sharp spoke]

Guess we can't really know. They could totally slot that in and I'd accept it

[balmy storm]

Which again
How did our Uncle not go mad??

[wicked iron]

Probably due to Duviri, or the Man in the Wall just leaving him be, or who knows what else. XD

[sharp spoke]

Or sheer mucking willpower because Dax conditioning or whatever

[balmy storm]

Maybe, it just seems odd considering adults tend to lose it in the deep void

[balmy storm]

Teshin 1
Void 0

[sharp spoke]

[wicked iron]

I wonder if Teshin was talking to us (Operator) when the Drifter shows up and he was talking to someone about past quests, and all...

[balmy storm]

I think he was

That or he was talking to Lua/Sol/Terra

But considering the conversation, I think it probably wasn’t his fuzzy friend

[sharp spoke]

Or, less jokey answer about the void crazies, could be the helmet. I wouldn't be surprised if the Orokin equipped them with some form of mind-shielding specifically for fighting against the Tenno or some crap.

[balmy storm]

Maybe
Or it had to do with the veil

[sharp spoke]

Oh, yeah, that's probably even more likely

Forgot about the veil somehow

[wicked iron]

Oh yeah, he was still Veiled. True!

[balmy storm]

Don’t the veils work off void-based tech?
Or?

[wispy jasper]

They seem to utilize kuva in some fashion

[balmy storm]

That’s what it was
Which that would actually explain how Teshin made it through without going mad!

[wispy jasper]

I've been sitting in and listening to all of the Duviri NPCs I can. There's a lot of specific names among them.

[balmy storm]

👀

[wispy jasper]

Aside from the ones we see at some point in different quests, and the titan's rise lady we've talked about, the bard on the lonesome outlook or w/e it's called has a long-ish dialogue about Orokin things

Not like the masters or anything, but he talks about another guy

[balmy storm]

I’ve seen him a few times, do we know who he’s talking about?

[wispy jasper]

I think it was his dad? He does name him at some point

[balmy storm]

I only heard a few lines and I thought he was talking about his partner

[wispy jasper]

Might have been that

[balmy storm]

Maybe there’s a line that clears that up though

[wispy jasper]

I swear the creepy children have turned up in at least 3 different cave systems for me so far

They like to blast you with some mad lyrics from the darkness I guess

[narrow swallow]

i bought the Baruuk Doan collection, but where is the Harmatt Sparring Skin? I can't find it... or what it's to be used with. 😕

[paper bronze]

It's used on things like the kogake and hirudo. But not things like fists.

[balmy badger]

Uh, no he wasn't, Teshin ripped his Veil off, which is what made Erra grab him and squish.

[hollow totem]

where can i farm pathos clamp?

[orchid remnant]

fight orowyrms

[hollow totem]

at least we can 1 shot orowyrm on 2nd phase

[balmy storm]

The Orowyrm fight isn’t too bad if you get the right weapon, tbh it might be worth it to pick one of your weapons just for that

[balmy storm]

Then where did the veil come from?
It’s Teshin’s.

[orchid remnant]

oh wait there's a veil in the cave?

[paper bronze]

I wouldn't doubt it tumbling into the same hole that Teshin did to get to Dubiri

[frail nymph]

Soo uhh.. the Zariman belongs to Drifter right? But we don't know yet exactly what happened to Operator after the stab and we don't know how the Zariman is front-facing both in Duviri and outside...

Also not sure why Drifter has a kaithe flying animation to Duviri... Unless the Dormizone Door is not connected at all to Teshin's cave

[balmy badger]

Oh, I misunderstood the context...

[graceful zodiac]

It's just a fancy loading animation

[graceful zodiac]

It wouldn't be, given you can find pieces of the Zariman scattered around in the landscape. Those are most likely the remnants of Drifters.

[peak briar]

anyone know where to activate these for the owl puzzle?

[hollow totem]

anyone know if the owl in shop is a companion ?

[hollow totem]

find the owl

[peak briar]

already did

[hollow totem]

sometimes they dont appear

[peak briar]

we just need to open the coin things

[hollow totem]

its hidden, can be a bush or you need to push something down

[peak briar]

looked everywhere, there's nothing

[hollow totem]

cant help becuse its hidden

[balmy storm]

Anyone know what to do here?
I got the first 2 but this last one isnt open

[orchid remnant]

show diff angles

[balmy storm]

I know it’s in there, just don’t know how or if I can get it open

[hollow totem]

is this empty one?

[orchid remnant]

hit that little glowy blue under the hoop

[hollow totem]

shoot the small circle to remove it from the inside

[orchid remnant]

^

[balmy storm]

Ik it’ll take that out but I can open the other one

The one that I need to shoot is the one I’m next to in the first pic

[hollow totem]

the open one probably needs a ally

are you solo ? some of this requires ally

[balmy storm]

I don’t think this one needs an ally, there’s nothing else here

[hollow totem]

you need to stand on a platform

[balmy storm]

My camera bugged and I saw the symbol inside the closed one, but there’s no way to open it

[hollow totem]

once you stand on platform it will show a electric grid

it will open the next one

[balmy storm]

There is no platform here tho

Ik it doesnt need the disk for the symbol since it has one in there, there just isn’t a way to open it

[hollow totem]

there probably a another disk with a symbol you have to shoot that and shows an electric grid

[balmy storm]

I don’t see any in the area

OMG I FOUND IT

[balmy storm]

Thank you

I think one of the Enigmas fell into the void-

[hollow totem]

should have reset 😄

[balmy storm]

@wispy jasper I think the bard guy’s talking about his brother!
He mentioned something about him saying something about their father

Fergin!

Bard guy had a brother named Fergin who was a jerk

[wispy jasper]

Ah, yeah it’s clicking now. I had a bit of a hard time piecing the whole dialogue string together cause it started this thing where he would only start taking again while I was going away

[balmy storm]

Lol

[nocturne spade]

We going to get anymore solid lore on wally? Or at least a story quest with him? I dont think we see or get enough of them

[wispy jasper]

Hopefully they get into some of that with whatever bridges the post-duviri gap because we're all going absolutely feral on the merest clues here

[solid wind]

Yes, Rebecca confirmed that the next multi year story arc is about the Man in the Walk

[balmy storm]

There’s 2 of him

[compact olive]

is there no way to change focus in the cave

[marsh ingot]

How do I get this I’ve been trying for so long I just can’t get close enough to interact (in a cave in Artisan Hamlet)

Location on map, it’s a symbol match puzzle but the missing face is just unobtainable

[formal grove]

so do you think the Tales of Duviri book was about actual Orokin, or was it a fictional storybook?

[frigid canopy]

Will there be a way to "recover" old incarnon genises once the week is over? Cuz I might not make it to tier ten for this week

[thick jolt]

its a fixed rotation so basically wait until the next time it shows up

[frigid canopy]

So how many rotations are there currently?

[orchid remnant]

6

[frigid canopy]

ahh okay. I made this week's gens in order of how much I care bout getting it lol. Braton first, then Skana last cuz I don't really care if I get that

[nocturne spade]

Question here. Anyone whos had stalker as a playable frame, whats his abilities?

[rugged dragon]

How do I farm the resources for the sun and moon blade?

[hollow totem]

host migration fail how can i exit ?

[wicked burrow]

Sadly you’ll probably have to click yes

[hollow totem]

i cant click no mouse button

[wicked burrow]

Then you’ll have to force quit Warframe

Tbh tis why I don’t play with ppl in the open world, and when I do farm with ppl I look to see if the host is leaving, so I don’t get host locked

[olive flint]

how to use the orvius on an oro wyrm

[safe haven]

https://youtube.com/shorts/BJ8_V936Cmc?feature=share

[hollow totem]

can someone help me, when using drifter / inside duviri when i press left click it brings up my gun, anyway to remove that ? i want to go melee only

[frigid edge]

just don't use your gun

or press F to switch to melee

[hollow totem]

thats my problem it keeps on switching to gun mod even i equip melee

[frigid edge]

there is the quick shot thing while in melee that is used to stun enemies

i'd just stick to using melee only if you want to do that

[hollow totem]

yeah the quick shoot thing is my problem how to remove that

[frigid edge]

i don't think you can

[hollow totem]

sad i keeps pulling up gun when i try to melee . . . then i cant block attacks because it pulls up gun . . . .

[frigid edge]

melee keybind is E by default. were you using that to attack? Block is MB2

[hollow totem]

yes, that does not pull up my gun, only left click pulls it up BUT i have also check left click to trigger melee attacks in the settings

[late inlet]

Uh? My settings are default and I don’t have to left click to melee?

Did you change yours?

[frail nymph]

Guys when you end up in Dormizone after the first time Drifter uses the starter frame...

When you hear Teshin talking to someone trying to justify his actions... I think he was talking to Valeria...

Cause during the Dormizone scene he said "I told you no, no!" ...which he did say while wearing the Veil in New War. He mentions her name later too at another time.

WAIT... What if he still puts it on to see her once in a while?

[fleet veldt]

As Drifter doesn't have a Primary, the 'quick shoot' function of the melee-while-using-primary bugs out due to Duviri Drifter having distinct features for melee combat.

Wish DE allowed him to use a limited selection of primaries (most shotguns, bows, rifles) as part of his combat Intrinsics, with extra levels or another Intrinsic added later to enable his Duviri features beyond Duviri (i.e: Duviri combat mode as a toggle ability, sacrificing Void Mode and the Duviri healing kit to make it work).

Another thing is, I'd like to see Kaithes be moddable using companion mods and stick around (while following you loosely) like a K-drive - if only for the sake of Captura or using it as a living piece of cover. Aside from that, customization slots.

But, back to the Paradox...
From my experience of the quest, there seems to be a dissonance of explanation regarding how Drifter got Lotus to the Orbiter from my perspective.

It was a great quest. Am looking forward to what else they'll do with Duviri.

[wispy jasper]

Sounds pretty likely to me. Maybe we’ll get some more of the story from him before long now that he’s more…emotionally available?

[wispy jasper]

I do hope we get a pretty clear Part 2 to this one. Main complaint about the story is really just how and where it cuts off at the end.

[graceful zodiac]

Melee outside of Duviri is a non-starter. DE does not want Op/Drifter to overlap with frames like that in regular gamplay.

[frail nymph]

Yeah wherever we have Drifter melee, we won't permanently have Warframes.

And wherever Warframe melee is aptly present, drifter melee is useless too.

[frail nymph]

Why dissonance?

It's just ambiguous...

The stuff you do in Duviri even after the quest is pre New War Act 2

One bug is that you can use transference in the Undercroft, which doesn't make sense lore wise...

[fleet veldt]

Reason I'm wanting for more weaponry on the Tenno themselves is more because I felt a bit teased by the New War Drifter gameplay giving them Nataruk. An alternative option I'd be happy with would be the weapons being part of an ability or toggle.

Like a backwards version of the temp-ference in Duviri.

Sure, I understand that there's a line that has to be drawn but in my opinion they already started dancing on the line since War Within and then falling sideways onto the line by removing a Void-particular melee and turning that into an ability (without making the Void abilities that do send out stuff that does things do Void damage to enemies/objects, like Naramon's waves).

As for the ambiguity, @frail nymph - I understood that it flowed around New War and isn't necessarily temporally aligned, so we might meet Eido(?)Lotus later on and put her back together ||like we did with the Dominus Thrax-gure||?

@wispy jasper , I feel that there'll be more stories. This one I'd say is a 'Second Dream' of its own.

Furthermore I'm still (very mildly) disappointed that Drifter didn't get to use frame weapons (like Tigris) like in one of the earlier trailers.

...A stupid thought I just had:
Railjack. In Duviri. Fighting an Orowyrm or few. Would be a hilari-fun experience I'd imagine.

[stray lynx]

So Dominus Thrax is basically ||an imaginary friend the Drifter created from the Void based on the doll of the Prince in their storybook, right?||

[signal junco]

Pretty much yeah

[fleet veldt]

Not exactly. ||Thrax is a Tenno, but his avatar - for all intents and purposes - is a Void-conjuration of sorts, like a warframe, but based on the figure he owned mixed with himself that he summoned out of the Void.

I'd imagine if he got a hang of Transference, we'd get to see his original self, though I may have to look back at the last few flashbacks to figure out the exacts and whether my imagined angle fits the shape.||

[ripe tinsel]

|| how do you know for sure that he is a tenno puppeting an avatar, since thats never mentioned in the quest im pretty sure ||

[obtuse gyro]

not exactly ||Teshin theorises that Dominus is a tenno, but as we quickly learn, dominus is just from drifter||

this is encapsulated when ||Drifter is holding the doll and goes "This is-This is" and Dominus completes the sentence with "MINE!". Showing that Dominus's originator isnt far and away. The reason why Teshin is previously led to believe that he might be someone from the ship is because Drifter is someone from the ship||

[graceful zodiac]

Yeah, Thrax is just a manifestation of the Drifter's trauma

[obtuse gyro]

In fact, the book we receive in the end of the quest tells us just where a certain someone got an idea for him

[fleet veldt]

Ah.

[ripe tinsel]

|| honestly it kinda bothers me that that is the twist when that doesnt really seem to make sense in regards to thrax's far more human-like character design ||

|| when all of duviri's other denizens are very obviously inorganic-looking ||

|| also the doll lacks the elongated mechanical arm last i checked, which makes sense if you want to preserve the twist i suppose ||

[wispy jasper]

It’s interesting I suppose that this all means drifter is directly responsible for making life harder on the operator reality by causing all the thrax to appear there. I suppose if not them something else would manifest though.

[signal junco]

thrax isnt a tenno, he is just a void manifestation of drifter's emotions like the rest of duviri

[stray lynx]

I mean, even without the Thrax the void angels would still be a thing, so the Operator’s life is pretty difficult regardless.

Since Duviri makes it pretty plain the angels come from outside Duviri and are trying to break in

[wispy jasper]

True enough. And hey, they’re not much worse than chewing up a conculyst or heavy gunner.

In lore maybe they’re even a good distraction for all the invading troops from our side.

[ripe tinsel]

how does that even work
do other tenno also have counterparts creating worlds
or do they not create worlds and is the drifter a special case

[simple python]

||So far... i have bore witness to Lodun, Mathilda, Bombastine, and Sythel's Orowyrm lines. I have concluded:
Everyone turns into an Orowyrm.
Bombastine envies and wishes for Luscinia.
Lodun obviously wants the crown...
Mathilda is Princess Bubblegum. She just wants sweeping control.
I have not finished Luscinia because she keeps crashing.
Sythel is just... crazy?||

[ripe tinsel]

|| lack of attention most likely ||

|| you can find all of them on the overworld actually ||

|| bombastine is at his little stage, luscinia singing at a ruined stage at the far end of the desert-y area, lodun in one of the larger settlements, and mathilda in a boarded-up building with a large tuning-fork shaped ornament on the roof in the snowy area ||

|| have not found sythel yet ||

|| lodun actually mentions promising to himself to keep the wyrm-form under control next time ||

[wispy jasper]

That’s sythel in the bunker. Mathilda is at a farm out in the open

[ripe tinsel]

ah crumbs, i swapped them

[wispy jasper]

I didn’t know it was her at first cause I didn’t read the name and thought she was just some awful aristocrat lol

[frail nymph]

What do you mean?

As far as I can tell Drifter does the Duviri spirals till they want to leave then they leave... And arrive in Act 2 of New War, with Lotus's hand... And then the rest of the New War quest happens, where you out Lotus back together with the Archon Shards.

[ripe tinsel]

i wonder how they managed to fix their right arm after removing the hand

[frail nymph]

Well it really means Drifter's Zariman is responsible for making life even harder than the Operator one already had made

[frail nymph]

I'm guessing Lotus took care of that... There's no scar in New War sooo

[hollow totem]

tho i am not sure about this because it seems tenshin looks older

[frail nymph]

Teshin has been there for a while

[ripe tinsel]

teshin was around for....however long he was around

[wispy jasper]

I guess we really can’t blame poor drifter for being chucked into the gaping void by a bunch of Orokin jerks

[hollow totem]

yeah so i think duviri is not same time as new war, because time itself is ?

[ripe tinsel]

pretty much

linear time happens to other people

[frail nymph]

Duviri and the operator's reality is connected in multiple ways, yes.

[quasi veldt]

is there a way to shuffle frames and weapons so it isn't spawning the same burston and sarofang over and over lol in lone story sorry to bug

[wispy jasper]

Perhaps it would be a thing where time continues to pass but the cycle of regeneration keeps things in a state of non-progression

[ripe tinsel]

have to wait until the next spiral

[quasi veldt]

oh ok

thanks for the info ^.^

[frail nymph]

For Operator, Drifter helped them first. For Drifter, operator helped them first.

Teshin got Erra'd and arrived in Duviri very long before the stab and the hand reached Duviri. (Or maybe not, in which case Drifter spent a lot more time in Duviri after getting stabbed than the time between the operator reality stab and Drifter coming out.)

[wispy jasper]

The fragments regarding Teshin that I’ve uncovered so far say something about how he changes when the rest of duviri doesn’t, so I kind of lean towards the second

[ripe tinsel]

oo

[frail nymph]

Why would that lean towards the second

[wispy jasper]

Hm…I had a line of thought but I’m not sure what it was now

I’m the least reliable narrator that the game has thrown at me yet

[white thistle]

An unexpected combination, Operator

[balmy storm]

Very nice

[white thistle]

Thanks! He's quite fun to play!

[signal junco]

is he just an overpowered ash or does he have unique abilities

[simple python]

I haven't been able to free-roam. Maybe I should.

Just my perfectionism I guess.

might have to do it solo on account of all the crashes.

[fleet veldt]

||"There is no salvation for your crime against the Drifter. You can't run from your past. I AM YOUR RECKONING!"|| - ||Stalker, to the Orowyrm||

[white thistle]

He have an automatic loadout, which is really powerful for those who do not have mods, besides, he really feels invulnerable, barely take any damage, HP and energy regens are massive and his 4th ability will be a secret for you to discover, i can share the loadout if you'd like to see

[white thistle]

xD So accurate haha

[obtuse gyro]

his abilities are retooled abilities that we've seen before but they do have some nice synergies, I will say his modloadout is very atrocious. Functional but terrible

[simple python]

You can't change the mod configs?

[obtuse gyro]

he isnt a frame you can own so he comes with his own default

[white thistle]

I think you can, i never dared because it's modified well hehe

[obtuse gyro]

triumbral, redirection adaptation

[simple python]

Damn once I get my hands on him I'm gonna retool my Umbra to be so toxic.

[obtuse gyro]

umbra? this is stalker

[simple python]

I already have an umbra loadout with pull swapped in to mimic Umbra's little tp feature.

Not umbra... the stalker.

[fleet veldt]

You know... You can edit your previous messages.

[wispy jasper]

If I have to live with my mistakes so does everyone else

[hollow totem]

anyone notice talos boltance has a meter to charge up but never exploded inside divuri ?

yes the old spin 2 win melee weapon 😂

[cobalt grove]

Guys, after you unlock Stalker, can you use him outside Durivi? Like in normal missions in the solar system?

[obtuse gyro]

nope

[cobalt grove]

[untold surge]

Not yet

[tacit venture]

Stalker as a playable warframe when?

Itd be cool if we could bond with the Stalker like we did to Umbra

[frigid canopy]

Dunno if this goes here, but what are the hexagons for?

[tacit venture]

What hexagons

[frigid canopy]

See the hexagons above the stars to signify rank of the mod? What do those do?

[tacit venture]

Just design-

[frigid canopy]

oh. cuz they only appear once the mod is equipped, so I thought it did something

[wild copper]

Just shows that the mod is equipped

[obtuse gyro]

R10 opportunity

[fleet veldt]

Am hoping for a full-length double barrel shotgun skin in the future as there's a lack of Proto skins for the primaries.

[cobalt grove]

Yeah, I agree.

[paper bronze]

Does anyone have an image of the incarnon hate

[ripe tinsel]

nop, that one isnt accessible yet

[fleet veldt]

Hate? Incarnon? Intrigued

[ripe tinsel]

all the stalker weapons have one

[paper bronze]

Except war

[hollow totem]

SOOOO i found another bug 😂

when entering the rift and jumping down into the void, the game will reset you outside duviri making you be able to use warframe outside 😂

[lyric dome]

bugframe momment

10/10 gameplay ngl

[hollow totem]

uwu at least now i know im not the only one getting yeeted

[wicked iron]

Hm. Paris Incarnon seems to only do Impact and Heat.... That's a bit saddening. 😦

[fleet veldt]

This is what happens if you're at... I forgot the name of the place but it's a map-edge situation.

[lyric dome]

i got killed by dragon in the middle of the fight in the last one

at least i dont have to alt all the time again

[runic panther]

what all attachments, skin and helmet do you have on that Harrow?

[hollow totem]

can i reply later, im offline 😂

[runic panther]

can i leave a pm to remind you when youre online?

[hollow totem]

o7

[runic panther]

?

[obtuse gyro]

Mucliber armour shoulders bloodshed ephmera, that one harrow alt helm which should be a platinum (and thus craftable) helm

[autumn turret]

tannukai chest armor

[obtuse gyro]

That and harrow prime body

[runic panther]

i haven't really looked at harrow prime a lot. I have the deluxe and sometimes like to change it up from time to time

[next phoenix]

I think I've finally figured out what vehicle I'm going to be riding into battle now

This was the one major thing I wanted to get thanks to Duviri

And it makes me happy I finally have a dang horse

[fleet veldt]

I do hope we get some limited form of mounted melee capability though; I want to ride along as my Revenant (P) and swipe down enemies using Tatsu with it.

[hollow totem]

did they fix bug puzzle yet?

[hollow totem]

Harrow crucis helmet, Harrow prime skin
Tannukai chest plate, Mulciber shoulder plate Left / Right, Maggor Leg guard Left and right
Tenebrous ephmera
Talos Syadana
Blood sigil

[hollow totem]

i feel exposed / naked 😄

[scenic bane]

https://youtu.be/JDyxONr1SvI

He NEEDS to have his story arc this year

[reef dirge]

Found a cool area around Duviri but this text box needs to be centered

[untold surge]

i feel like your hud is not meant to be that big

and its causing quite a problem

[vagrant kettle]

I'm pretty sure that Reb confirmed the Man in the Wall storyline is gonna happen over the next few years

Like, you know how since Natah and onwards to New War we had the sentient theme for the main storyline?
Now we got the void/wally theme, cuz we know the Void Angels are connected to him Hey Kiddo is connected to him, he keeps making deals with every possible character.

[scenic bane]

True

[vagrant kettle]

Actually
Do you all think we might get Infested Liches BUT also Thrax/Void Liches?

[scenic bane]

Infested liches are confirmed

So we could

[vagrant kettle]

Ah aight
Nice

[scenic bane]

Actually we might not seein as how incarnon weps r releasing

They are void touched anywyas

[vagrant kettle]

Hmmm
True

I guess they could make void liches spawn with weapons already with an incarnon adapter on them OR have their weapons be like fully void transformed versions of Tenno Weapons like Braton etc

[balmy storm]

What is this and why does it do nothing

[wispy jasper]

Highway under construction?

[untold surge]

You just described incarnon weapons

Also liches are a massive pain

[scarlet basalt]

Now that dominus thrax is out it even ask more question about what the hell is MITW ?
Like where did that thing come from 😭 ???

[steady gate]

we have the same amount of questions about Wally as before

It’s a fact that Wally was discovered long before even the Zariman

[scarlet basalt]

Yep, wally was discovered,not created. Which is why i think it's weird, i thought that he could be smilar to dominus thrax,being a human manifestation but : manifestation are usually not in a great scale like this, they create doppelganger or at worse dominus thraxes it seems ?

[sage pond]

so ballas came to duviri at one point, they call him the stranger

[late inlet]

Uh

What

[sage pond]

hes the only one that haves hair like snakes + is scientist

[scarlet basalt]

Albretch entrati

[sage pond]

ok so its him than

i didnt remember his haircut

so like, is duviri like place from earth, or is it manufactured by the orokins to experiment, cos it sounds like it was normal stuff before the kuva started coming from the ground

[scarlet basalt]

Have you done the quest ?

[sage pond]

hmm yeah

[nocturne spade]

Its the drifters own world, presumably created out of trauama and a way to cope with the zarimen

[nocturne spade]

Well, when i say drifters own. I mean they read a book "book of duviri" and that was how they learnt to cope with the horrors of the zarimen

[scarlet basalt]

Then i can say : it seems to be drifter's manifestation from when they were a kid ? We've seen on the cutscene that they read a book something that look like dominus thrax
Somehow it has manifested and now is very powerful, the drifter can actually control the world if he sit on the throne it seems but doesn't want to do that because maybe they know that OP is in danger ?

[sage pond]

the story collectibles describe duviri before the void came to them

its not a creation of the drifter

[scarlet basalt]

not a creation but a manifestation of a book i think ?

(even tho it's more like : someone read the book, void check their brain and said : oh this look fun)

[sage pond]

find the collectibles, the describe the world before the drifter came

[scarlet basalt]

man i'm going to sleep can you screenshot that please 😭 ?

[sage pond]

so i was wondering, was it originally a place from earth

[red hedge]

After the Orowyrm boss fights, we open a chest with rewards and another decree, but are then prompted to exctract. Is there a way tor re-start the orowyrm game loop w/o extract?

[sage pond]

nope

[scarlet basalt]

i doubt, yes you have to do the very long mission just for 1 orowyrm

[red hedge]

It's not really all that long tbh, or at least not for me - I've been speedrunning them, but if I can shave off another couple of minutes from having to re-queue, then I will KEKW

[late inlet]

You can keep exploring after the figh

[sage pond]

apperantly it was during a nice day that kuva started coming from the ground, whoever drink it became mad
thats how duviri slowly got to this state, than at some point the drax king came with his armies, trough the void (if i remember correctly)

[red hedge]

sounds dope; source tho?

[late inlet]

Huh

[sage pond]

story collectables

[arctic oar]

The Fragments could just be telling the story of the book the Drifter read though

[sage pond]

it also describes how teshin came + albreicth

you know, albreight been dead for much longer than that

or missing*

they call him "the stranger" a scientist with glasses and hair like intertwined snakes

glowing eyes

also the collectibles tell about a missing island
i guess this is where the new warframe comes in, brining new "piece of duviri" as rebecca said today

[scarlet basalt]

I wonder if titan's rest is a metaphor or there's really a titan that sometime sleep here

[sage pond]

Duviri isnt the real name of the place

[supple dagger]

Ok now I really need to find those lore fragments

[sage pond]

i got almost all of them

[scarlet basalt]

I just want to see every fragments screen because i'm sure there are some people who have already got everything

[nocturne spade]

Cornocopia. Oh god. This mames me think of the hunger games heusuruau

[edgy sierra]

cornucopia is a greco-roman thing btw

[nocturne spade]

@sage pond

Also, the story book was writte by orokin as a fairytale. It wouldn't be a surprise that dax would be mentioned.

[nocturne spade]

Nothing your saying really proves your point imo.

It is outright implied drifter made duviri.

[edgy sierra]

theres 2 different duviris
the current place
and the one in the story book

[sage pond]

its the same

[supple dagger]

Any tips on how to find them easily?

[nocturne spade]

The current place is based on the book. Its a coping mechanism made by drifter to cope with the zarimen. The quest keeps pointing this out.

[nocturne spade]

Multiple times it is implied

[scarlet basalt]

I think it's even weirder : yes there are parts of the book that actually make the island
But events that occur in this things are also written, like teshin/Albretch entrati.

[sage pond]

ughm, none tbh, they are pain to seek after

[supple dagger]

Rip

[edgy sierra]

i know that, was just pointing it out that we can't equate the duviri we go into to the fragments

[nocturne spade]

Deadpan. If my wifi fozes itself when we play ill do a hunt with ya. I have skillz in fidni g them

[supple dagger]

Lol alright

[nocturne spade]

The fragments are probably the texts in the book? It would make sense imo

[sage pond]

i assume the book is Draxx's vision of "Duviri"
he is reshaping the original place into his dream like state

[scarlet basalt]

I wonder if Cornuppia is going to be the next island 🤔
But then also, does that mean that dominus has less effect on this particular island ?

[sage pond]

ok nvm, i have confused something,,, i thought conrucoppia was the original duviri plane that later turned into duviri by draxx

[sage pond]

yep, my assumption, with the new upcoming warframe
rebecca said "it will bring back more from duviri" which means new islands will come with updates POGGERS

[scarlet basalt]

I like how there is a warframe standing here.
But in game you can use it only for 7 seconds

[sage pond]

i assume these are the old concept arts of duviri

thou i think we dont have in the gaem that scene from the reveal trailer?

https://youtu.be/8DObN_3ha6M

[scarlet basalt]

We seems to be closer to the zariman woah
That's interesting

[sage pond]

this looks like cornucoppia no doubt

cornucopia

[scarlet basalt]

Does that mean with each update that will focus on duviri we will be closer and closer to the zariman and then we have TNW's timeline ?

[sage pond]

ughm maybe yes and maybe no
in the devstream today pablo and rebecca made it seem like teshin cave is linked with the dormizome, and teshin's cave is inside duviri
sooo ehg

[nocturne spade]

It looks like the zarimen is crashed into the ground. Which is intesresting

[scarlet basalt]

Teshin say "the world above" i think he is very far into the deep cave in duviri lol

[nocturne spade]

I did find reason for that. The planters. Exact same postion to the ones outside the dormizone. If you explore the cave tou find them. Same veiw point as that one specific are

[scarlet basalt]

OH it made me think : Current zariman is also stuck between duviri (seems to have crashed into an island ?) and Sol
So it means that there are plans to fight right under the zariman ?

[nocturne spade]

Not entirely sure, but there are those exact planters outside our dormizone door with the same veiw of whats below. So its weird? I can't get a ss atm because my wifi is broken, im using data to talk rn </3

[sage pond]

today the statue changed its hands position, and i dont know why

[nocturne spade]

It does that for every spiral

[sage pond]

but i never seen it in this position, it changed mid game

i just loaded in duviri now and its luckly "joy spiral" and the statue hands are normal:

it did it again, wtf

ok i think its a glitch, probably a trigger animation from the story mission

it can be recreated by going trough speciffic place on tghe map

[heavy pollen]

We’re to find those currency to get that owl

In the carriage

[velvet wing]

Complete owl puzzles

[heavy pollen]

We’re

[velvet wing]

They appear randomly

[heavy pollen]

Ok thanks

[restive reef]

Anyone have any idea how to do this owl puzzle, been here for a while looking for the start

[supple dagger]

Hi! I spent two and a half hours on this one! The short answer is it is very broken. Sorry to deliver bad news

[obtuse gyro]

My guy, the whole place is called duviri, its just this one island called cornocopia

Like idk how you managed to misread it so badly when the same lore fragment youre quoting states that cornocopia was isolated form duviri

[obtuse gyro]

In the original artwork (idk if they kept the concept) the idea was for duviri's landscape to have been growing out from the zariman

[slate stream]

does anyone know how to take this down? This is the second time I got this owl puzzle and both time the coin get stuck on top with no way to jump up or shoot it down

[orchid remnant]

to be fair a lot of stuff in duviri is ripped directly from the zariman, especially in the undercroft

[obtuse gyro]

Leave the area and come back

[slate stream]

I tped to another spot across the map then return still stuck there

[cyan crest]

Drifter and Teshin literally say that drifter created Duviri

The fragment stories are probably most from the book

Which is basically the blueprint for duviri

[ruby eagle]

Try flying up with horse then quick melee it

[edgy sierra]

shoot it

[sage pond]

idk "my guy" it was 3AM, you tell me

@nocturne spade @scarlet basalt they have made Cornucopia and it should be in the game, steve tweeted video of this island years ago, im really hoping its coming with the next warframe https://twitter.com/sj_sinclair/status/1150815757049221120

Steve Sinclair (@sj_sinclair)

Which is striking when you see it all running real-time... (PS: This clip is not indicative of Duviri's gameplay at all)

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[nocturne spade]

Ih damn

Anywho, can we not tag me unless im actively talking in chats?

[sage pond]

ok

[nocturne spade]

Not mad, just dont like being tagged by randos if im not actively chatting

[sage pond]

nah, i feel you 🤝

[autumn turret]

what do you mean by cornucopia, but this landscape is the original duviri trailer 'set' and the vid is showing off the desaturation shader they made for it and later ended up using in duviri and parts of aotz

[autumn turret]

ah

so cornucopia would be part of current duviri

if im reading right

[sage pond]

Duviri is devided into islands, some have been destroyed, others appear and disappear, cornucopia is a real island that i hope we can get back

timestamped "the new warframe will release with new content and new piece of the world coming back" https://www.youtube.com/live/OZbLKQH3xe0?feature=share&t=3709

[autumn turret]

i do like how they brought back the original duviri concept art style

if this art was not just from that original batch but unreleased

they got the lil guy from the dominus thrax pic back

[sage pond]

Citrine was also supposed to come with Duviri, i think and i hope that over time we will get more islands

[obtuse gyro]

when did they say citrine was supposed to come with duviri lmai

[autumn turret]

i wouldnt be too shocked

alot of ideas got shuffled, like deimos wasnt supposed to be till after tnw but they needed to fill in something easier to develop during covid

[sage pond]

months ago

[obtuse gyro]

got a source or?

[sage pond]

do you not watch developer streams?

[obtuse gyro]

you want me to remember all the dev streams?

[autumn turret]

they say ALOT during them, you cannot remember every minor detail

[sage pond]

well you can google it

[obtuse gyro]

Damn making me look up your sources

but also googling "was citrine supposed to come with duviri" leads me nowhere but to people's speculation about why duviri wont be launching with a warframe

[sage pond]

you can allways rewatch developer streams from months ago

[obtuse gyro]

yea Im not going to watch multiple 1hr streams to see if you werent capping

[sage pond]

how will you be able to sleep tonight in peace 😄

[obtuse gyro]

I'll sleep very soundly lmao

[mossy slate]

How do you kill the orowyrms? I cant hit anything on it

[orchid remnant]

are you on the part where it's in the arena or is it flying around still

[loud kayak]

Grapple onto them with Orvius, get to the head, rest should be fairly self-explanatory.

[scarlet basalt]

Now it really make me wonder,what kind of things will be here ? We see the rock things but nothing else.
Like I wonder if there will be a swarm of luminus in those things

[sage pond]

you can actually see this plane/island in the distance right now

[loud kayak]

I feel like Duviri is one of the easiest maps to expand

[sage pond]

yep, they can just add more islands

[loud kayak]

I just really love the Duviri aesthetic so I won't complain about any expansions

[sage pond]

if you zoom you can see the plane

ill try to get better pictures next time

[potent ember]

yes, there is still a lot of space on the map :))

[wispy jasper]

There’s also just so many cool places already if they wanted to script in various events on constrained sections of the map

[frail nymph]

That's literally the lore...
There used to be more islands but they drifted away. The next Warframe will come with an island that returned.

[supple dagger]

Looks like the Zariman is bleeding onto it

Also I wonder where TMITW is hiding...

[ripe tinsel]

zariman probably is stuck in one of the islands

from the front no less, which is also protruding into realspace on the other side

[supple dagger]

Like grounded on one of the islands? That's an interesting idea actually-

[ripe tinsel]

yea

[supple dagger]

That being why it's stuck in a hole between the two spaces

[ripe tinsel]

well, no

[sage pond]

heres more clear screenshot

[ripe tinsel]

you see, the zariman we visit has the front pointing towards realspace

this zariman has the front stuck in duviri

basically we are talking zarimen now

[supple dagger]

Wait a second I didn't realize that before-

[ripe tinsel]

i mean, the drifter had to come from somewhere

[supple dagger]

Must've gotten pretty weak from the shift in realities then

In duviri we're slinging melee around like a warframe. In our reality we can't even hold 'em >:(

One of my friends has this head canon that the weapons were brought through too but they were altered and became heavier

[molten raft]

the world despawns when you go to the bottom right corner of the map lol

not just in anger spiral

i noticed it in fear as well

[obtuse gyro]

yea I had that too, its not that it despawns, its just the terrain going invisible

still, its a bug that needs to be reported

[wispy jasper]

Is the implication that the duviri zariman has not yet reached the point in the storyline where it pops back out of the void?

[sage pond]

the boy will go home soon

[sage pond]

i think yes, if you go back and rewatch the events of new war and how the drifter speaks
it seems that the events we are playing in duviri happened in the past

[obtuse gyro]

I'm not too sure about that, keep in mind that this seems to be the aftermath of the event depicted in murals/drawings on the zariman in the real world

in which two zarimans are "crashing" into each other

supposedly along a mirror plane

and lo! We have "two" zarimans opposite in a mirror plane

[frail nymph]

What if... The Zariman is in a very complicated position...
A position that makes it seem like there's two Zarimans...

What if you can go from Duviri to space AS WELL AS from space to duviri by going from the front of the Zariman to the back?

And what if from behind, you can do the same?

So if you're in Duviri and look at the front of Zariman, you can see space behind it... And if you're in space and looking... You can see Duviri behind it.

And if you're in Duviri behind the Zariman, you can see space in front of the Zariman... And if you're in space behind the Zariman, you can see Duviri in front.

[obtuse gyro]

reflected as if a mirror

thats why when you walk from dormizone to teshin cave youre technically somehow in the same part of the dormizone, although the zariman itself is so far away

[frail nymph]

Being mirrored could also be a possibility, but that would have to mean the Zariman is entirely outside the portal

(| 0 |)
Something like that, where 0 is the portal

[frail nymph]

But here I'm considering the possibility that it's not fully outside

[sage pond]

thanx, i didnt realize it was that
and perhaps the ships switched places?

well regardless its so epic

[wispy jasper]

The zariman part of the new war was always confusing to me. It was still in the void for the duration of that, wasn’t it? I might be misremembering

[obtuse gyro]

on a separate note: you found the fragments at the amphitheather right?

[sage pond]

becos they are merging and coming out of one another

[obtuse gyro]

where are they located because Im still missing some in the area

[sage pond]

im logging in the game to check out

i think there might be potnetiality that everything happning in the solar system is becos of US trough void powers...

[sage pond]

what is the codex name of the collection?

[obtuse gyro]

bleeding earth

[frail nymph]

It was outside of Duviri for sure during Act 2

Then went back beyond the Albrecht Membrane during Act 3 and was in the Void during the Zariman ARG. Then Wally spoke the words and the crew woke to his words, Kira tried to do her think and get messages through the membrane. Then it came back out during AoZ.

[sage pond]

@obtuse gyro heres a link with the full lore pages i unlocked https://imgur.com/a/CkFyLiP

[obtuse gyro]

very nice thanks

[frail nymph]

Sounds like Kuva

[sage pond]

yeah it is basically kuva
black liquid that turns everyone mad and insane

[frail nymph]

I remember one NPC mentioning millions of bottles of kuva

[frail nymph]

And the metallic taste to correlate with what Ordan tasted

[obtuse gyro]

wait I was more asking for the locations for the pickup lol

[sage pond]

well i didnt take screenshots of the locations

[crystal moon]

I hope this is the right place to ask. So, Drifter escapes the paradox and goes to New war and after everything there is the choice of playing as operator or drifter. I like playing as drifter in the origin system. But where is my operator then? Could my operator be in Duviri ? 🥺

[hollow totem]

is it just me but everytime i move statue puzzle, i cant move it again

[north trail]

At this point it kinda seems like everything is just "void manifestations"

[late jay]

Playing The New War now, Teshin mode is super fun

[wispy stag]

am i understanding properly that we are dominus?

[loud kayak]

If I understood correctly Dominus is a creation of the void based off of the Drifter's imagination or something like that

[late jay]

I've seen some people theorizing that Dominus is the ||Drifter equivalent of Rell||

But we'll see, hopefully we get more info and clues with the upcoming uptades to Duviri

[lament axle]

Actually, it seems pretty much what vuorineuvos said. The last cutscene really hints to that, but even then i'm not so sure.

[loud kayak]

The loremasters of this channel will probably correct all of us

[real niche]

Nah you hit the nail on the head.

Drifter snorted some hard Void thanks to the Zariman Incident mixed in with some childhood fairytales and that's Duviri.

[obtuse gyro]

that theory goes right out the window

[north trail]

It literally shows your drifter's hair on that tenno

What I don't get is what's up with the characters

Like why do they become worms all of a sudden

[graceful zodiac]

It's likely their version of the Holdfasts turning into Angels

[north trail]

Also

If dominus was basically made by drifter's emotions

Doesn't that mean that maybe wally was created by Albrecht's fear of what he might find in the void

[sage pond]

by that logic the whole universe of wf, canonically is imahgination or fear by smeone, which isnt interesting

[obtuse gyro]

as suggested by sythel, yes a fear of albrecht's, but as of what fear its not clear

[sage pond]

well

loong long time ago Steve hinted that the man in the wall is just our evil twin

hes literally us

it was in discussion about the.. black and white circle we get during mission dialogues

[ripe tinsel]

theres presumably more to it than that, since the man in the wall has far more presence than just being your evil twin

[sage pond]

i guess duviri made it even more clear, but its weird
it will than appear that almost all events in WF were intentionally caused by the player's will and than he made himself forget or something

[ripe tinsel]

not intentionally

we could not have forseen the consequences of accepting/declining the deal with the devil

[sage pond]

if the man in the wall is just our legit twin/us
who is giving us god tier powers
than what really is the point? assuming its the same story as the drifter and thrax
them being the same thing and the drifter be like "yeah im doing it cos im bored, so why not put myself into trials of pain and madness" ok i guess

[obtuse gyro]

wally isnt us tho

[sage pond]

in that logic the represenation of the questline choices make sense, it shows the players descision of who is the "real" tenno/character
the man in the wall or the operator

[sage pond]

he is straight up us

[obtuse gyro]

Wally to us isnt the same as drifter to dominus

[obtuse gyro]

no, I cant emphasise more, no

[sage pond]

well you can disagree all day long, in my opinion tmw is just straight up us

[obtuse gyro]

and your proof is?

if you tell me "he takes our form" I will gladly remind you he first took albretch's form and he took yonta's form

I fail to see how he is us when he predated us with the stuff he pulled off with albretch

[sage pond]

my proof about a fictional story and fictional characters that are borrowed from ancient egyptian and ancient islamic religion?
0

[wild copper]

Wally is a being of the void, he was there before us and he's the one who gave the tenno their powers in the first place

The fingers in the railjack and zariman are literally his

[sage pond]

yes and no, there is no time in the void, its all at once

[graceful zodiac]

That's...not it at all

[wild copper]

Ok, sooo, the tenno gave void powers... To themselves?

[sage pond]

straight up

[obtuse gyro]

I fail to see how this somehow makes it that wally is us

[sage pond]

im not here to convince anyone, we all have opinions that mostly differ

[wild copper]

And the giant man in the giant wall, that got his fingers cut off by a gate into the void, is the tenno

It's not an opinion it it's wrong

[obtuse gyro]

even if you link it back to ancient egyptian mythos and islam you havent pointed out what in the plethora of stories those two different civilisations might contain that might even relate to wally being us

[sage pond]

ooooh yes, im going to spen all night long, coppy pasting characters and events from old books

unrealistic at best

[obtuse gyro]

And youre going to take that, instead of whats already presented very clearly in the game??

[sage pond]

what is presented in the game is up to interpretation
much like the man in the wall

[obtuse gyro]

Sythel saying "The first scholar looked into the void and he feared it, and his fear took shape" leaves room to interpret how wally came about, but leaves very little room to who brought about wally according to in-game characters

[sage pond]

theres massive difference of descibed events by witnesses
and what actually happened prior that
up untill now we tought that it was Albreight who first met wally
and he wasnt

[obtuse gyro]

pause

[sage pond]

unless the supposed first scholar isnt albreight himself but the details about the meeting are suspiciously missing

[obtuse gyro]

how and where do you, think for a second, think that albretch was not the first who met wally

[sage pond]

wait

i need a coffee to write down essay why i think fictional character might be this or that
i cant possibly have my own opinion over things

[obtuse gyro]

you can have opinions, but opinions that arent based in fact (or currently given facts) dont really work out well

[sage pond]

we can speak about facts when the game's story is fully finished

[wild copper]

You can believe what you want, but don't expect people to believe you and not question everything when there's tons of proof against your theory/opinion

[obtuse gyro]

We can speak about currently available knowledge, and what seems to be extremely questionable (such as claiming albretch wasnt the first to met wally)

[sage pond]

im not expecting anyone to believe anything
but to doubt every single word or personal opinion over interpretations is quite interesting

[obtuse gyro]

because youre not doing a good job of being believable

[sage pond]

i wont be surprised

[obtuse gyro]

so far your two claims: That wally is us, and that albretch was not the first to meet wally, are extremely hard to believe

[wild copper]

You said this, which is blatantly incorrect unless you give lots of reasoning and proof to your claims

If you said "I think Wally could be us through some weird void magic" sure
But you're making a direct claim that goes against a lot of things in the game, don't expect people to blindly agree with a claim that is likely incorrect based on the evidence we already have

[obtuse gyro]

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[late jay]

Midway through already, things are going down

[sage pond]

i wont be surprised if it turns out that the opeator trough another void coppy of himself created the stalker to hunt and kill us for... fun
and than invaded the minds of Ballas and others to pit them against each other to start a whole war for... fun
the drifter enjoys it

[late jay]

I love how this quest explores how the New War affects every faction in the system

[obtuse gyro]

thats a 3rd claim thats wild right there

[sage pond]

and duviri paradox is not wild?

probably the wildest story arc so far, i think

[sage pond]

yes, hereby i anounce myself as the arbitor of ingame canonical truths and absolutes
cmon now

[obtuse gyro]

the duviri paradox, ironically is logically consistent with the given universe (you can thank TNW, voruna and citrine for setting up the base for Duviri to be understood) but "oppy made copy made stalker and invaded everyones minds to make them fight" is wiiiild