spoiler-chat

[limpid socket]

Ended up in duviri

[whole blaze]

if kahl stayed dead then there would be a whole lot less sabotage against the Narmer forces in the origin system though

[vital creek]

if kahl died it would be marginally more annoying to get archon shards

[whole blaze]

exactly. we also wouldn't have styanax so

[zenith jacinth]

If kahl died people would be less likely be to argue that teso should be alive

[zenith jacinth]

He would've just been put elsewhere

They. Are. Not. Gods.

[frail laurel]

Yes they are

[whole blaze]

they aren't

[viscid quarry]

Ok this should probably be in lore discussions but is there like say any point in time that is like say an anchor point for eternalism because otherwise that means virtually everything is canon to warframe even fanon

[zenith jacinth]

It has to make sense and be realistically possible

[viscid quarry]

Ah fair since I had that confusion in my head since I did new war so anything sorta reasonable or possible (well according to how the void works) exists as a alternate reality

[whole blaze]

it depends since wally can literally destroy entire alternate realities

[viscid quarry]

Great I’m now thinking power comparisons between the Tenno and other characters like say the guardians of destiny or some of the planet ending monsters of borderland in what is more powerful on pure breaking of reality (I mean essentially being a entity that all other realities are killed off save for one other is a strong case for the Tenno)

Ok this should be in lore discussions (if it was ever active)

[wispy jasper]

I really think they need to start plainly and outright making some more characters forever dead. There's little weight or finality to any point in the setting right now.

[orchid remnant]

Can they beat Goku tho?

[zenith jacinth]

Lore discussion is often very active

Just not right now

[zenith jacinth]

The tenno themselves aren't too powerful

[viscid quarry]

I mean they don’t exactly die so Tenno do have a chance

In outright power not a chance

[zenith jacinth]

Tenno can die

[viscid quarry]

Fair I mean I’m that they can basically never die or well even suffer actual death as they simply go away to the void or a transference pod

[viscid quarry]

Oh right oro

[zenith jacinth]

Oro is irrelevant to current lore

Rell.

[viscid quarry]

Ah right

[void root]

Rells entire story makes me cry 🥲

[viscid quarry]

It’s very sad agreed

[graceful zodiac]

Except there is? Like, death is still final in Warframe unless something else happens, like with Vor.

[viscid quarry]

Usually if we still count oro into existence then death is not exactly final for say orokin or us but well discounting oro yeah basically that

Also yeah enough characters are already dead Jesus Christ what’s next the lotus

[wispy jasper]

It’s the “unless something else happens” part that’s the rub.

There are tons of characters that are left in a state of ambiguously dead with how things pan out

[graceful zodiac]

And nothing else does happen 9/10 times

[zenith jacinth]

Eh, it's more like 3/10 times

Maybe 5/10

[scarlet basalt]

Vor and teshin tbh, like he is somehow still alive

[graceful zodiac]

Teshin is a case we're about to get an answer about

[viscid quarry]

And well it seems he aged so much how long was he in the void relatively speaking

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah, bombastine said that he is in here for a long time with his aging and seems to have fought a large amount of "mockery of a dax".
BUt it kinda make me wonder, how much time has passed for him ? Like he seems way older than before 😮

[frail nymph]

Doubt it, I can't see them either... And I'd been busy studying since forever

[graceful zodiac]

Eh Boss fights are your only big maybe, which is why my preface was when something is actually said to be dead, explicitly

[viscid quarry]

Considering how the void works it could be he has passed a very long time even for him (did he even cryo by the end of the old war idk) but it’s enough to need help walking and not use his blades and grow a beard

[frail nymph]

Ironic, but also not surprising.

I was even wondering if he was intentionally trolling, with weirdly constant poor spelling and a fake profile pic (cause I refuse to believe any grown up person would act that way)

[wispy jasper]

How many characters that we have seen on screen or have been part of our story have actually definitely died? Like sure there’s loads dead in the history of events. There’s only really a couple which hold narrative weight.

[graceful zodiac]

Which isn't anything really different from The usual medial rule of "if they didn't die on screen, then you can't say for sure"

[graceful zodiac]

That hold narrative weight? Ballas and the Elder Queen

Plus Margulis

[viscid quarry]

I guess there’s also teshin but not by much

And maybe ordis drone during tnw but that’s a stretch

[graceful zodiac]

Teshin, yeah, but that's gonna get resolved in about 2 weeks

[near rune]

Praghasa? Her body is/was still around and apparently capable of doing stuff, but as a person I think we can assume she's dead. Then again Sentients specifically have ways of reviving.

[graceful zodiac]

Oh yeah, Rell

Erra too, but he got better

[wispy jasper]

Kind of my point is nearly all of those mentioned have some sort of loophole if they feel like bringing them back.

[graceful zodiac]

They don't, no

[near rune]

I think Sentients always have the loophole. Orokin may be able to be revived with kuva after the fact. The Void can revive or recreate. Those are the three big asterisks that go on character death, and they're not always applicable.

[graceful zodiac]

Erra only, which they did pull

[viscid quarry]

Sera is technically alive but lazuli is suppressing his consciousness I read somewhere once

[near rune]

wut

[graceful zodiac]

The Void requires an extenuating circumstance to make a copy, and there's no evidence to suggest Kuva works after the fact. Maybe worm Queen antics I guess

[zenith jacinth]

Vala glarios, kahl, vor, teshin, erra

[near rune]

I agree there are extenuating circumstances – I said the loopholes don't always apply. We don't know about kuva; the explanation we were given in War Within would seem to indicate the original body needs to still be alive, but Worm Queen's kuva efforts as well as the Ordan Karris story imply that it can be used after death. How, is unexplained, and I wouldn't lean on it. I'm just presenting it as a possibility and I tried to make that clear.

[graceful zodiac]

Kahl was never shown to have died or anything the like to be that kind of questionable

[scarlet basalt]

yep, erra is technically somewhere inside the body but pazuul is in control

[graceful zodiac]

I give you Vala if that one was actually left to be ambiguous to start instead of being answered immediately

[viscid quarry]

Wait on the topic of pazuul and technically narmer tf is up with the tau lords or whatever that means

[graceful zodiac]

Vor, I acknowledged as an exception. And Teshin we're getting an answer too

[zenith jacinth]

Ordan was still just barely alive

[near rune]

I believe "the Lords of Tau" is a reference to the Sentients still in Tau. It might also just mean the Beasts.

[scarlet basalt]

I guess Tau lords are future antagonist ? I don't really understand what is going on tbh
Like sentients that are still in tau, other beasts...It's not known
But it could also be the first aliens ? But i doubt since they haven't talked about meeting another species

[near rune]

No, I meant the Orokin that Ordan killed. Ballas tells him "We have died a thousand times!" So it's up to how you interpret that.

[frail nymph]

Same for Vala because it was revealed in the same quest, and the rest did the equivalent of dying, for all intents and purposes

[graceful zodiac]

More so referring to the Orokin he attacked, who may or may not have been fully dead

[zenith jacinth]

Oh right

[frail nymph]

Well if you cut it off there, it's ambiguous...

But the full context is that the Orokin think he's a rather pure, idiot beast for thinking he did something, and the "we have died countless times, yet remain eternal"

[near rune]

My point was that, depending on how you interpret it, it implies that the Orokin can resurrect after they're killed.

[graceful zodiac]

The Ordan story reads more like a Lich scenario than it working after the fact

[near rune]

That's also possible.

[pseudo sable]

I'm looking forward to players wondering why they have to play as the weird leather robots and can't use their custom character after the intro

[frail nymph]

That's not how it's gonna work

New players aren't just going to be given one intro quest, they're getting the whole Duviri experience. The whole point is to allow them to play Duviri with vets.

[pseudo sable]

i know you can always go back to duviri but not being able to use them outside of that one area will be weird for some people

[wispy jasper]

Not sure how the transition to the star chart will work, but would be funny to see a reversal of the usual pouty posts about having to play as Drifter.

[frail nymph]

What do you mean not being able to use them?

[pseudo sable]

Can't get the drifter out on the normal starchart until you've done TNW

[frail nymph]

Says who?

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-man-hello-chat-hello-chat-gif-24187047

[near rune]

I mean, that's how it works now. We'll see how it works going forward.

[frail nymph]

All of Duviri's post-intro content is post-NW for Drifter.

[viscid quarry]

Anyone solve that poem finally or is it still unsolved

[frail nymph]

It was never a poem

Just a sequence of words.

[viscid quarry]

Ok well the sequence

Did anyone ever solve it

[frail nymph]

It's impossible to know whether it has been solved.

All we know is that Oull-Ris-Xata-Vome-Khra-Lohk is the current best guess thanks to the Zariman ARG event.

[serene sage]

i have a thought, the teshin we see in some of the duviri gameplay looks and sounds old af

is it possible we as drifter make it to the future somehow or is it just current teshin after getting messed up by erra

[frail nymph]

Teshin is either...
1 Conceptual Embodiment of Teshin (void manifestation)

2 Still alive Teshin after getting simply knocked out by Erra the spending a long time in Duviri

3 Drifter's Teshin/ other reality Teshin

[balmy badger]

My moneys on 3.

[grave quiver]

i was gonna show the shoes i put on sun and moon but theyre missing now :(

i reloaded it already, they dont show up

[flint totem]

Ngl i hope if you finished TNW, you can unlock transference early in duviri

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah, they got removed in the citrine update iirc

[grave quiver]

awww

my legs :(

heres a screenshot from when the swords were there

[edgy eagle]

did anyone else notice the two-handed dax nikana in the new duviri trailer? it was on excalibur’s back

it’s prolly gonna be a new skin

[zenith jacinth]

New weapon seems more likely

[thick jolt]

Its probably one the new weapons drifter uses pretty sure we saw it in the duviri demo devstream

[limpid socket]

I'm half expecting duviri to drop a t i n y bit early like new war
And then every YouTuber is gonna be like "nYeH WhY gIvE a DaTe If YoU jUsT rElEaSe It EaRlY"

[fleet drum]

I just hope they release the soundtrack - what I've heard so far is incredible

[limpid socket]

I always default to smiles from juran so I can make papa umbra happy

[past kiln]

I feel like 3 is the most likely as in the cutscene he dies in his body is never shown entering the void portal

[balmy storm]

Only issue with 3 is Teshin wasn’t aboard the Zariman all those years ago, so if it is that one hopefully they’ll explain it

[sage pond]

why is the king of duviri wearing the collors of lotus 🤔 is Lotus an ally of his?

[wild wind]

looks at my bright pink Radiant Lotus

Don't think so

[molten oxide]

So I've found out that there are 3 redeemable codes currently

[dreamy saffron]

Yep! They're listed in the most recently pinned message in #gameplay-discussion

[zealous pollen]

Wasn’t that denied by a dev?

[wild wind]

Hahaha fun fact: DUVIRI-BARO is a valid code, as is DUVIRI-DRIFTER

In fact, DUVIRI-[WARFRAME NAME GOES HERE] is all valid. Volt, Mag, Gauss etc

It's just that you can only claim two

[viral oasis]

I only got one

Nevermind I figured it out😅

[balmy storm]

Baro and Drifter are warframes confirmed

[mossy slate]

Lol, "they arent the kids so they're probably warframes"

[frail nymph]

Not directly, no. The Dev just said he's never seen an audio edit that fully revealed what the Man in the Wall said.

[twilit geode]

The Man In The Wall said, in Latin, “lol, Wukong is gonna have his clone ability removed and Kuva Nukor becomes a Single-Target weapon in the Duviri update.”

[brave osprey]

OOF, CN server ain't going to get the update if it's like that.

[flat cairn]

se sabe algo sobre el cross-save?

[whole blaze]

in the gameplay demo of duviri i just noticed that drifter gets stabbed by a void version of paracesis before the lotus' hand falls to the ground

[torpid acorn]

Is duviri a one and done quest or a gamemode I didn't understand

[kindred briar]

Duviri is a quest that opens up an open world, like with Fortuna / Cetus

only exception is that this quest is a major story quest while the other two were just Warframe sidequests

[torpid acorn]

Alright thanks a lot!

[wintry prairie]

Post New War question :|| i've keep Lotus skin , but it was for keep the name , as i know if you change her after , she'll keep the first choice name and only change apparence , so i kept lotus in purpose and plan to get margulis after with platinum , but the question is , did her voice will change too ?||

[fathom nexus]

A little difference

[wintry prairie]

so it change ?

(a bit)

thanks for your answer ^^

[cinder steppe]

I really wonder why pre quest speculation on YouTube has been dead for a while

On YouTube atleast

Like I remember a time that as soon as a trailer drops, all the YouTubers start to pump out a bunch of videos about their story speculations and even making bets with eachother.

What the hell happened? Why did they stop doing that?

This Duviri trailer is out and there are barely any YouTubers talking about it or speculating, coming up with theories. Just Tactical Potato playing a little with the idea that Thrax might be Rell.

[fathom nexus]

Maybe lack of enthusiasm

Yeah I guessed that too just now in #lore-discussion

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh i would guess 3rd because he is wounded

[loud kayak]

Just general burnout from the game, I guess.

[dreamy mountain]

I wonder what abilites Incarnon bo will have

[hollow urchin]

Me too! I like that they are tweaking what incarnon weapons do from the ones in the Zariman 🙂 maybe I’ll will be a small cc when struck by the first hit ?

Maybe bring back no LOS when attacking with melee incarnon form kinda like the meta in 2014-16

[hollow urchin]

I do think thrax is a Tenno and his warframe is the giant dragon 🙂 but it being Rell would be a cool twist 🙂

[dreamy mountain]

I will just bonk but edgy bonk XD XD

[hollow urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-darth-maul-light-saber-gif-14034779

[hollow urchin]

First form one saber and incarnon is the second one 😉 😂😂

[dreamy mountain]

I wonder if incarnon adapter will afect dispo tho

cuz this will be fun xd

Maximum bonk riven XD

[hollow urchin]

Oh yeah I definitely think so bc every level will give it a bonus stat like the incarnon we have now but I also see them raising it to get players to use different guns

[dreamy mountain]

is it official yet which weapons will get incarnon?

[loud kayak]

I think they showed off a screenshot in one of the devstreams

[hollow urchin]

Hmmmm not officially but there has been some data mining and we seen some in the dev stream

[dreamy mountain]

I found entire list in log XD

[hollow urchin]

I’ll see if I can find it for you

[simple moss]

If that's from leak, you may wanna dm it instead of posting it.

[dreamy mountain]

idk if its leak

u can get it when u get log from launcher

[simple moss]

I don't currently use the launcher. Lol

[dreamy mountain]

oh yea switch. gyro aim is super good in warframe

[flint totem]

NO WAY, DRIFTER WEARING AMP

[wintry prairie]

well ofc , since he use it like operator

[main spire]

How

[pulsar rune]

NO, NO, NO!!! You're supposed to use the new firing method with the Sirocco model!!!

[scarlet basalt]

a better wukong staff maybe ?

[twilit geode]

I am excited to make my Lato Prime and Skana Prime better with incarnon stuff. Lato Prime is good, but Skana Prime struggles to keep up.

[real niche]

Skana P has stats that rival B War and Pangolin P, how is that "struggles to keep up"

[random solstice]

I have to settle with Lato Vandal );

[wintry prairie]

is there a way to get back ordis skin ?

[twin obsidian]

It can’t. It’s an adaptor not a new weapon at least with how they worded it

[brave osprey]

Drifter breathing in the new trailer opened a myriad of possibilimemes.

[zenith jacinth]

Specify?

The physical drone or the transmission cube?

[wintry prairie]

get back the cube @zenith jacinth

[zenith jacinth]

Activate I think streamer mode in the settings

Not 100% sure about the name

[wintry prairie]

i will check but it may revert many thing alongside ordis

but yeah i see what you talking about

[dreamy mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/tanjiro-gif-26547125

[dreamy mountain]

drifter fire breathing XD

[fleet veldt]

Chroma already does this.

[dreamy mountain]

chroma is weak tho

Drifter has cheatmode xd

[wild wind]

.......my brain just clicked over with a VERY odd thought

The Stalker Duviri intrinsic is a bit odd. He helps you in New War but shouldn't have any presence in Duviri

...unless his Operator in the Duviri timeline became Thrax

[zenith jacinth]

(If he even has one)

Also, lotus hand, duveshin and the entire place the latter is found in shouldn't be there either, yet they are

[wild wind]

Those are all connected to our Operator though, who's actively interfering to help the Drifter.

[zenith jacinth]

And why wouldn't the stalker be there? He's also connected to our op, even if less directly

[dreamy mountain]

drifter trying to get out to send help to himself?

[frail nymph]

Why not? Your Warframes are there

[balmy badger]

As far as we know, Stalker doesn't have an Operator, he's just a frame with full sentience like Umbra. Until it gets proven otherwise.

[zenith jacinth]

We don't even know that, it just seems very likely

[woeful jacinth]

I think that was eluded to in second dream

[pseudo sable]

That or he goes in after TNW to help out the drifter because he thought they were cool ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zenith jacinth]

His description does say "an ally from another time, another place" or something like that iirc

[balmy badger]

To be fair, that's not a bad assumption, because Drifter isn't one of the people that killed the Orokin technically.

[zenith jacinth]

Most likely not different enough for him to care, he probably would've killed the drifter if it wasn't for hunhow clearly wanting to talk to them

[balmy badger]

Well, I'm sure we'll find out when Duviri comes out.

[zenith jacinth]

I'm gonna speedrun unlocking kaithe naming, roach must exist as quickly as possible

[thin path]

Most likely stalker is a frame without an inhibitor like most frames have. The reason he probably isn't insane with the infestation madness is probably because he took it on willingly after the tenno betrayal and wasn't subject to torture and experiments like the rest of the frames

[orchid remnant]

this is up to you!

[thin path]

I doubt the madness that caused the Warframes to turn on the Orokin was actually the fault of helminth, but suspect it was actually from the torture by the Orokin themselves.

[orchid remnant]

maybe

i think it was both!

[thin path]

I don't think it was because if Stalker was exposed to helminth he doesn't appear to have mental stability issues. Except for the whole kill all the tenno thing. But considering what we did I could understand why he's still mad.

[orchid remnant]

well consider this

I wouldn;t enjoy torture

but i also wouldn't like being turned into a gooey guy, which is what the helminth does

either way, i'd be pretty mad

[near rune]

Ballas does refer to "Infested madness, indicating that there is some sort of condition that arises from being infected with Helminth. Whether this is what caused the proto-warframes to rebel is of course up to interpretation.

[thin path]

It does say that but I think ballas would blame the effects of their torture on the infested aspect anyways. Since at least with umbra there was no apparent madness outside of the torture ballas designed for him.

[wild wind]

I mean, even infested who aren't getting plugged into the Infested hivemind still lose their sentience like all the rest.

[thin path]

Except Warframes don't have any indication that they really went mindless or lost their sentience. What we see is most likely an inhibitor to prevent movement. Since both Stalker and Umbra still have sentience.

[wild wind]

I don't think Stalker is a free Warframe, that was was specifically Ballas' punishment for Umbra.

[thin path]

We also have indicators in other stories that the frames were still aware and still had sentience in the old war post tenno

[wild wind]

And even he is just a mass of rage, grief and pain. Umbra's not capable of any form of communication.

[wild wind]

Those are tenno experiencing the Second Dream. Voruna Leverian makes it the clearest.

Every Warframe story or lore bit except for Umbra's memories is a Tenno using their Warframe, whether they remember the truth or not.

[orchid remnant]

i think stalker is just a guy

[thin path]

No I mean actual frames still doing things not just tenno in the dream. Hidden Messages is just the final moments between a tenno and the frame.

[undone lodge]

I thought Stalker was a guy from way back in the Orokin days who hated us, and had also possibly-maybe-might-not-have gone through something similar to the original warframe creation process or could just be wearing armour?

[thin path]

Titania was stolen before she would have had a tenno and sacrifices herself for her operator who was Silva. In that same story they talk about how Silva can sense the mind of the frame but thinks it's evil or whatever

[wild wind]

Err? Silvana wasn't her operator.

[thin path]

I mean as close as can be. Since titania didn't have a tenno we are ever told about.

[wild wind]

Yeah because you can do that quest before The Sacrifice. We know for a fact that the Warframe project was a near total failure until the Tenno were pulled out of cold storage.

And only after they were did the Orokin start deploying them as anything more than indiscriminate WMDs.

[thin path]

DE has never been a stranger to dropping hints about things long before some sort of big reveal.

The big reveal for TSD was in Rhino Prime's Codex

[wild wind]

The Titania on the Silver Grove project would have been a Tenno operator. The Gara defending the Unum on Earth would have been a Tenno Operator. The Mirage and Limbo in Hidden Messages and Limbo Theorem would have been a Tenno operator.

The one arguable one is in Call of the Tempestarii, because of the weirdness with the Shadow, but the Sevagoth proper would have been a Tenno Operator.

[zenith jacinth]

The shadow in the tempestarii quest is basically just a very long seva passive

[wild wind]

[thin path]

Why would the Silver Grove project have been a tenno considering half that story is about her hijacking the frame and performing transference herself on it.

These past weeks, I've been secretly testing Transference on myself. I can only survive short bursts - linking to Titania the way only Tenno can stand. I've never felt anything like it. A tortured presence, like an evil ink, staining my mind. But... it worked. I'm going to use this wrong to make right. she's talking about transference into Titania and feeling Titania's mind here.

[wild wind]

Yeah, Warframes are sapient.

Like animals, not people.

It's not like there can't be more than one mind in a body at once. That's the entire way we control Warframes.

[thin path]

They're probably sapient like people considering they were people. We just don't see it because the majority of frames have inhibitors. Umbra the one frame outside that restriction has only a single memory and is working on pure instinct.

The only other frame like creation we see is Stalker who is certainly able to do more than just be a tenno's vessel.

[wild wind]

Quick question and I apologize if this sounds rude, but do you know the difference between sapience and sentience

[zenith jacinth]

I wonder if we're always wandering about in a golden silhouettescape when we enter a new frame like we did with umbra

[orchid remnant]

Isn’t sapient like people vs sentient being like aware of yourself (so like animals not necessarily people)

After all we are H. sapiens, not H. sentiens

[wild wind]

Haha, fair

[thin path]

Sentience is being able to experience feelings and emotions. Sapience is the ability to apply knowledge experience and have understanding and insight.

[wild wind]

Anyway, yeah, Warframes are closer to animals. They have the ability to feel, but not the capacity to reason.

The Tenno are the ones providing the reason.

[zenith jacinth]

And having sentients is worrying

[thin path]

They most certainly do have a capacity to reason. Which is why Titania without a Tenno would be able to reason that she needs to return to save Silvana. It's also why the Stalker is able to form alliances and hold conversation.

It's also why when we go into Umbra we don't just go "AWAY WITH THIS BAD MEMORY OBEY ME ANIMAL!" but instead actually have a conversation of sorts where we convince Umbra to move past his pain.

[wild wind]

Unnnnnnnnnless they're a tenno, who's forgotten they're a tenno.

[thin path]

Which is what we had to with every other warframe at some point. It is also why our tenno talks to their warframe in missions.

[wild wind]

Which is what the Second Dream is. Forgetting the weakness of our original bodies. Being the powerful Warframes instead.

[zenith jacinth]

When does the op talk to the frame in missions?

[thin path]

Admittedly that last one could just be lazy programming. But our tenno still acts like there is more than one person even in solo missions.

[wild wind]

The occasional Operator one-liner, I believe.

"My Warframe is strongk," etc.

[obtuse gyro]

Thats a weird way to "talk to the frame"

[wild wind]

Yeah, the operator's talking to themself, same way the Drifter does during (what we've seen of) Duviri.

[thin path]

That is one of many lines. "Attack us, and we will counter." "Let's go on the offensive!" "We fought with honor."

[wild wind]

Sooooo at the risk of oversharing, I do that.

Some people have internal narration. It's just a thing.

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, there's what Captain's doing and also the fact that yknow, Lotus/whoever you have handling you is on the comms

[thin path]

Yes, I do to, but I don't typically going around referring to just myself as We

[zenith jacinth]

"We fought with honor" is one of the lines from the convo with lotus at the end of tsd I'm pretty sure

[thin path]

Also this gem which exists as a quote "Back on your feet, Warframe!"

[obtuse gyro]

Its more likely we're using the royal We or we're straight up talking to the Lotus

[thin path]

"Right, we're on our feet."

[zenith jacinth]

I have never heard that one

[obtuse gyro]

Im going to have to see where you got those lines from

[thin path]

I've never seen it in game but it's in the Wiki

[obtuse gyro]

You gon link it or?

[thin path]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Operator/Quotes

It's under the revive quotes

[zenith jacinth]

Oddly specific

[thin path]

It was added in 2015

[wild wind]

I've genuinely never heard an on-revival line

[thin path]

I have but never on revival.

[wild wind]

Unimplemented lol.

[thin path]

"That was close" gets said often enough.

[wild wind]

Anyway, I don't actually think that's a point for you. I talked to my cats but never expected a real response.

[zenith jacinth]

I mostly hear "my oorfram is stronk"

[wild wind]

The operator lines are mostly one-liners and external narration

[obtuse gyro]

Yea given the already established minimum of warframe sapience... Those one-liners dont mean much

[thin path]

I agree, but they don't stand in isolation. You have quotes in TSD where the operator talks about sensing the "otherness" in the dream. You have Silver Grove where Silvana talks about being able to sense the taintedness of the frame's mind. You have Hidden Messages where someone is talking to Mirage and she's responding with character traits that we are told belong to the frame, unless you want to also argue the Tennos were in the frames while they were being created.

[wild wind]

The ones that were made after the early experiments probably were, actually

[thin path]

In The Sacrifice we get to experience the taming a warframe process, and what we experience is more like a mindmeld than us inhabiting an empty suit. We experience Umbra's thoughts, and when we go to ease the pain we're actually talking about how the tenno and the frame can move past it.

[wild wind]

Better to bond tenno and Warframe

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, we know theres a mind in the frames, the problem is that the mind isnt together enough to be sentient in most non-umbra cases

[wild wind]

But like, none of that is proof of higher thought

[obtuse gyro]

Yea its proof of "thought" but not "big brain thought"

[thin path]

If that were the case we should expect all the tenno to be suffering immense trauma from the torture the frames were put through.

[wild wind]

.....they are.

[obtuse gyro]

That was the other half of the revelation of the sacrifice

[zenith jacinth]

Fun fact: animals can think

[obtuse gyro]

The cats in my local shelter demonstrate otherwise

[viscid quarry]

Wait am I the only one who doesn’t have a speaking operator during missions

[thin path]

If you're in streamer mode he shuts up

[obtuse gyro]

Is your streamer mode setting on?

[viscid quarry]

I’m not in streamer mode

[zenith jacinth]

Drifter?

[obtuse gyro]

Then youre just lucky

[thin path]

Yeah drifter doesn't talk either

[viscid quarry]

I guess I’m just lucky even before tnw my operator was silent

[zenith jacinth]

It's not common, mine talks like once every 15 missions

[balmy badger]

Could have also unchecked the "Operator Voice" toggle in the audio settings.

[viscid quarry]

Oh I’ll check that later

[thin path]

Anyways, there's no reason to believe that the Tenno were subjected to the same tortures their frames are. Since there's no evidence that a tenno couldn't just bond with whatever frame they wanted.

[zenith jacinth]

They weren't tortured, but they felt the pain of the frame's brutalized mind and then proceeded... to take away its pain

[viscid quarry]

I mean that’s explained by the sacrifice well enough who said Tenno got tortured like the frames

[thin path]

By helping the frame move past it not by erasing their mind or whatever.

[zenith jacinth]

[Insert objectively best song in the game here]

[zenith jacinth]

Yes.

[viscid quarry]

The sentience is arguable on normal frames but primes and umbra it’s definitely there

[obtuse gyro]

On primes??

[thin path]

Normal frames were the originals. Not primes.

[obtuse gyro]

Its literally just umbra who acts with that much autonomy

[wild wind]

Well, no, they were remade into infested and then tortured into insanity

[obtuse gyro]

Not true

[zenith jacinth]

Time for the daily "primes are not all originals" explanation

[obtuse gyro]

Some primes were first, other frames had to earn it

[viscid quarry]

Godamn I’m stupid

[obtuse gyro]

Varzia was there, she knows

[zenith jacinth]

Never listened to varzia, have you

[wild wind]

Technically ANY Warframe could at any second revert into a screaming berserker ripping through everything in its path

Umbra was the only one that felt anything specific beyond that

[zenith jacinth]

There's a lot of lore hidden between the lines that make it seem like she got lost in a desert

[thin path]

That's fair. Though I didn't remember the some primes were original.

[wild wind]

Thanks to Ballas putting "Umbra's Greatest Hits (on his kid)" on repeat for a few centuries.

[viscid quarry]

I mean kinda forgot entirely

[zenith jacinth]

By the void that's dark

I need a flashlight to see that one

[thin path]

I think all frames have their memories and whatever was left of their human mind after the torture. I think the reason we don't see it on non-Umbra frames is because the transference bolt.

[wild wind]

I'm genuinely proud of that bit of darkness.

[thin path]

It puts them in a form of stasis. Umbra is specifically mentioned to have an unusual transference bolt in comparison.

[viscid quarry]

That is very good dark humor

[wild wind]

[zenith jacinth]

It's a good one, but by the gods and all that is divine is it dark

[thin path]

Admittedly the stasis bit is conjecture, but that's the experience we see with our frames. When we leave them they enter some sort of stasis state rather than just reverting back to whatever mind they do have whether it is animalistic or just a messed up human one.

And only when they take significant damage while in that state do they appear to move on their own.

[wild wind]

Still less dark than your average dark sector mission

[zenith jacinth]

Brighter than the chains of harrow missions

[thin path]

Gods that mission sucked

[zenith jacinth]

I liked it

[thin path]

I liked it until the final fight. That fight sucked the first time I did it.

[zenith jacinth]

I'm a fan of horror segments in non-horror games, although coh didn't execute that too well

[thin path]

The second time I did it with Umbra and it went a lot smoother.

[wild wind]

I thought it was a neat idea, really got me the first time around.

[wintry prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-bnp-better-name-pending-cataclysm-kavat-gif-17500800

[thin path]

I think my issue with it was probably just being underprepared. I didn't really bother upgrading my amp until after The Sacrifice so both those fights were rough.

[viscid quarry]

Gara

Step 1: Use gara 4
Step 2: have umbra inside it
Step 3: grofit

[thin path]

Yeah that probably would have made that fight easier xD

[viscid quarry]

Very easy

[zenith jacinth]

I did it with mote twice

You'd think I would learn from my first mistake, but nope

[wild wind]

I think I might have gone in amp-less...

[zenith jacinth]

Sacrifice too

[wild wind]

Me big brain. Hueg.

[zenith jacinth]

No amp is better than mote amp

[thin path]

I mean I also did it the second time with the mote. But the second time I had umbra which made the final fight in COH so much easier.

I don't think I've replayed TS yet

[wild wind]

Don't you need to do it like three times for the Somachords.

[zenith jacinth]

At least twice

[wild wind]

Yeah I just realized, guaranteed twice

[zenith jacinth]

Isn't the final fight in coh op-only

[thin path]

Before Umbra it was yeah. I don't know if they have since fixed it, but Umbra used to just follow you anyways

[zenith jacinth]

That seems very unintentional

[thin path]

It definitely was unintentional

According to the Wiki it still works too.

I'm honestly surprised, because I thought they would have patched that. When I did it it was right after The Sacrifice dropped.

[robust summit]

I think it’s a bug that people find interesting, and it’s just never been patched.

But now I’m going to replay Chains with Umbra for the funnies.

[wintry prairie]

same

[viscid quarry]

It’s not a mistake it’s skill

Ok well it’s both also wait umbra cna be in that mission WHAT?

[zenith jacinth]

There was no skill involved, I almost ran out of revives both times

[viscid quarry]

Oh I find it kinda fun I guess dodging umbra and baiting him…… until I figured out by the second umbra hunting that gara 4 is success

[thin path]

It was the op only fight I had the hardest problem with on Umbra. Ended up hiding in a tree for that one.

[viscid quarry]

How did you hide in the tree well enough I got killed for that and agreed

[thin path]

I don't remember how exactly but I was up in a tree taking pot shots at him

[viscid quarry]

Also I’d say it’s probably the best way to learn how to be good at operator only movement since it’s just that and there’s an edgy Excalibur Dax hunting you

[thin path]

I'm better at operator only movement since they updated it. But I haven't done any of the operator only missions since then either.

[viscid quarry]

Fair

Still rip that one void ability I forgot the name of

[thin path]

Like it's technically the same, but the void sling seems better when you get used to it.

The void blast one?

[viscid quarry]

Yep

[zenith jacinth]

I never used it

And one of the schools has a better version of it now

[thin path]

Also wasn't something I really found myself using. But then I keep forgetting to use any of my op abilities anyways.

[viscid quarry]

Lol I used it bc I was bored one day and decided to try and see if I could push a lot of grineer off a cliff with it

Well it was more push them off that one area in ceres with the pit and bridges

[zenith jacinth]

I think it was naramon

[viscid quarry]

Wasn’t it madurai

[zenith jacinth]

Idk

[viscid quarry]

Anyways moving on

Uhhh wait I got no topics

[zenith jacinth]

Bombastine best duviri character, and I am definitely not biased towards eccentric and/or excessively fancy characters

[supple dagger]

And then there’s Leqous…

[zenith jacinth]

Who

[viscid quarry]

Ok I see your point

[supple dagger]

The guy who was about to stab drifter but got nuked by Lotus’s hand

He was holding that incarnon dagger

[zenith jacinth]

The difference in quality between your dominus and my bombastine keeps making me laugh

[supple dagger]

Lol yea

[zenith jacinth]

I also have a badly cropped image of his "You seeing this?" pose

The one that this emoji is from

[supple dagger]

That face of his is funny

I love how Dominus looks in this pose

And seeing him make that Orowyrm bully drifter was cool

[zenith jacinth]

Thank you, I now have 3 bombastine images

[supple dagger]

Np

This is by far the best image of Bombastine ever

[zenith jacinth]

I now have an uncropped version of that image, thanks for that upgrade

[supple dagger]

You should use that as your pfp

[zenith jacinth]

I couldn't find any bombastine images on google and the fandom page has like 4

[zenith jacinth]

That sounds like a great idea, I'll make sure to remember to do that at some point in the near future

[supple dagger]

Lol it looks much better

[zenith jacinth]

Now that we have a confirmed release date my excitement is not controllable anymore

[supple dagger]

I just wish that I could travel to the future instead of having to wait another week

[wintry prairie]

that week will not be refund

i dont recommend that

[viscid quarry]

Amazing meme mind if I take that

[limpid socket]

Yes

[formal grove]

about the "name your kaithe" thing, would I get in trouble if I named mine Bucephallus?

[viscid quarry]

Idk

[obtuse gyro]

You'll get in as much trouble if you were to name yours shadowfax, which is to say: none

[wild wind]

I'd use one L just in case though.

[tight lion]

does anyone see twitter here?

rebeca's last post shocked me

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-gif-14948596

[glad oriole]

Kaithe in cetus photo?

Yea i saw that

We need this

[jovial pollen]

Looked really cool 😄

[brave osprey]

Hey a new meme template

[supple dagger]

Wish we could post memes on here without having them get deleted. Someone posted one earlier using that template but it’s gone now:/

[brave osprey]

Me showing my Roomba collection in the Dormizone:

[scarlet basalt]

The orokin version of the soyjack pointing at something

[zenith jacinth]

Nah, it's him going "You seein this stuff?"

[scarlet basalt]

i like the fact that lequos seems to be able to incarnon at his will.
Like the potency of your void power allow you to allow incarnon every weapons ?

Oh wow dominus has a lot of ego ... Like there is a statue of him riding a horse right in front of his palace lol

Oh my god the little joke from dominus :
"My world, my rules" > "My body, my choices"

Does anyone know who is this ?

[supple dagger]

Don’t know but my best guess is maybe a Zariman kid

[robust summit]

That’s one smug looking statue.

[supple dagger]

Actually ngl it reminds me of one of those famous greek statues

[wet mortar]

Would be funny if it is a statue of Rell.

[viscid quarry]

No way in heaven its rell actually I guess

[obtuse gyro]

idk rells hair is very different

[viscid quarry]

Oh right

[zenith jacinth]

He kinda looks like a star wars clone trooper

[viscid quarry]

Lmaooo

Really tho no way In heaven it looks like a clone

[cosmic star]

AYOOO

[viscid quarry]

Alright guys let’s continue

[cosmic star]

Yeah so it was SICK OVERALL

So...LOTUS (NATA) is the daughter of...uhhh the big bad sentient guy? Is he a sentient?

[kindred briar]

Natah*

[viscid quarry]

Yep she’s the daughter of hunhow

[cosmic star]

And hunhow was awaken by the grineer? Digging?

[viscid quarry]

Yep they dug a bit too close to his body and reawakened him

He’s stuck tho

[cosmic star]

Okay cool so I am following the story decently

[obtuse gyro]

Natah is the Daughter of Hunhow, who by some skullduggery was convinced/manipulated into wanting children and so took the tenno as her own

[wispy jasper]

You'll get more into that in the next couple chapters

[cosmic star]

Yeah. But the orokin are the ones who found the children in the void right?

[viscid quarry]

It will clear up as you advance through the story

[kindred briar]

that gets cleared up as you play

[cosmic star]

Okay okay cool

[obtuse gyro]

yes, you'll learn more after the New War

[cosmic star]

I'm SUPER hyped on the story. It's so weird the game has you do Deimos before that

[viscid quarry]

All you should know is that there’s bigger forces at play then you might think

[wispy jasper]

There's a lot to take in from here on out

[viscid quarry]

And a lot of questions

[cosmic star]

I have 0 idea how Deimos even fits into things

[wispy jasper]

Deimos was added after the original storyline...it's sort of awkward

[cosmic star]

Cause I thought the heart...there was my power?

But turns out the moon? Where my operator was hidden? Is my life power or w.e

[viscid quarry]

It’s I guess a regulator for their power which is why it manifests the way it does

[kindred briar]

the Heart of Deimos got added long after TSD, so its been shoe-horned in awkwardly

[viscid quarry]

It’s not your life power it’s you

[cosmic star]

Right it's me literally me

[obtuse gyro]

The Heart of Deimos powers all Void related shenanigans, it holds the door open so theres void energy to play with

[viscid quarry]

Yep

[cosmic star]

After 50 hours of playing I finally met the player character lol

Who I thought was maybe in my frame? Or...was the frame idfk what I even thought lol

[kindred briar]

everything up to TSD is just the tutorial lol

[cosmic star]

Maybe the Warframe was some weird organic life form

[viscid quarry]

Uhhhhhhh

[cosmic star]

Guess it is

[viscid quarry]

It gets explained more

[kindred briar]

you get more lore on the Warframes later on

tl:dr; it's complicated

[cosmic star]

Word. Welp. Can't wait for the next story

[viscid quarry]

Very complicated

[cosmic star]

Unsure what the next one is my codex is filled with random quests

[kindred briar]

and before you ask; there are no aliens in Warframe

[viscid quarry]

Unless you count sentients

[kindred briar]

after The Second Dream it's The War Within (Pluto Junction) then Chains of Harrow then Apostasy Prologue then The Sacrifice

[kindred briar]

made by the Orokin, that's explained in a Simaris lore entry

[obtuse gyro]

sentients originate in Sol so not aliens either

[kindred briar]

they're machines, sentient machines

[viscid quarry]

Ik but they look alien so I guess if you take that extremity I guess but ofc it’s not exactly

But yeah no aliens overall

[kindred briar]

nothing not made by humans

[cosmic star]

Interesting. Welp back to the grind fellas can't wait for more

[viscid quarry]

Ok

[cosmic star]

And my god the new expansion looks absolutely insane with the story. Watched the trailer and was...uhhh confused lol but gonna stay away from THAT till I beat the other stuff

[viscid quarry]

Yep

[obtuse gyro]

yea you have no idea whats going on until you can clear TNW

[viscid quarry]

Alright is he gone?

[kindred briar]

they're offline according to their profile

[viscid quarry]

Ok well godamn he got real close with that guess of warframe being organic to the actuality of warframes

[kindred briar]

I mean, they do bleed

[viscid quarry]

I mean in their construction and the creation of them

Specifically like say umbra

[kindred briar]

Umbra was an edge case, but yes, I see your point

[deft void]

So right after we got stabbed, the paradox starts

[zenith jacinth]

The anomalies in dominus' story start right as the op gets stabbed

[deft void]

Too bad we can't quit tnw and do Duvari in sequence

[zenith jacinth]

Duviri

[deft void]

Ty

[zenith jacinth]

But yeah, that'd be pretty cool if we could do that

[deft void]

Wish we could, it'd make more sense.

[night linden]

Temporal paradoxes are bad at making sense.

And this entire thing is wrapped around a time loop and the twist of it, so...

It's kind of a "Meanwhile, in this other place..."

[deft void]

"Meanwhile, our heroes at this place is doing some weeeeirrrd stuff."

[balmy storm]

Isn’t that literally all paradoxes? Not just temporal ones

[night linden]

I mean, fair.
Temporal ones hurt more to think about, for me.

[balmy storm]

Fair, some of them can be really confusing

[surreal smelt]

now I'm curious if those drifter instrincts will also work outside the duviri map

[balmy storm]

Probably not, or not all of them at least

[scarlet basalt]

I'm curious too.
Like if they put it also in normal gameplay, does that mean that there will be more player using drifter because of their bonus instead of normal op ?

[tender aurora]

When is cross save?

[zenith jacinth]

Unknown

[minor goblet]

Expect 1 to 3 years for crossave...i rather have it top quality feature rather than rushed and buggy

[balmy storm]

From what we know Drifter specific combat will stay in Duviri

[supple dagger]

Help! I'm playing The War Within and I'm stuck. It says press RB and LB to transfer but that literally does nothing.

[zenith jacinth]

You have to look at the thing you're transferencing into

[supple dagger]

I am

[wild wind]

Try a different angle; when I replayed it a while back I had to be in one specific place

...if that doesn't work, restart the game because yes indeed Bugframe is buggy with the seminal big quest

[supple dagger]

I guess that is what I will have to try... I have been trying for nearly an hour

[wild wind]

oh dang, sorry to hear

[supple dagger]

Thanks

Got it, thanks for the help!

[atomic lantern]

Is there a new frame on April 26?

[thick jolt]

Unless they surprise us with it no

[atomic lantern]

Is it Normally surpise?

[thick jolt]

Nope

Normally they tease new frames in devstreams

Considering their current style of doing an "echoes of" update after major updates we could maybe get a new frame then

[atomic lantern]

So how's the operator intrensics going to work

[thick jolt]

Drifter intrinsics ? I assume they only work in duviri
Possibly the horse intrinsic would work outside if we get to use the horse outside duviri

[atomic lantern]

Dang

[main spire]

I believe we just get a horse summon after the quest

[pseudo sable]

i'm kind of glad there isn't a new frame tbh, i still haven't farmed the last two

[real skiff]

Im getting Railjack flashbacks

[minor goblet]

Ive been summoned from my deep slumber due to a really loud discord notif from my pc!!!
So hey whats up

Ahh yes railjack was a buggy mess

[daring sky]

Fr like I once fell out of the map and I was stuck in an empty void

[minor goblet]

Pov: ur the pilot and ya got 4-6 boarding parties in ur railjack one of them also planted a bomb...aight ya imma head out abort mission

[night linden]

Dormizone question: ||...Did Teshin's swords vanish recently from the door? It was showing for the Drifter by the locked greyscale door, right, leaning on the frame?||

[balmy storm]

Yes, the swords have disappeared

[night linden]

Okay. I was wondering if my game was misbehaving or not.
Any idea how long ago?

[balmy storm]

I believe they disappeared with the Citrine update

[night linden]

Good to know, thank you.

[twin obsidian]

it sounds like they will be drifter only...

well operator only

[wild wind]

All the Duviri melees will be usable on starchart, you just have to unlock them/maybe build them too

Come to think of it, do we have any idea what we'll use resources for on Duviri?

[twin obsidian]

confirmed? or just rumor?

[wild wind]

I believe Pablo mentioned it during devstream 168

[twin obsidian]

course its the one i missed XD

[wild wind]

haha

[twin obsidian]

cant wait to see them butcher the stance on dual nikana

[wild wind]

I think the idea is that they'll play differently on the Soulframe beta in Drifter's hands vs. in a Warframe's hands.

[pseudo sable]

I still hope they get more guns than just Sirocco

please i need a rifle to make the grineer set not look stupid

[balmy storm]

I’m just curious what gardening will be for

[north trail]

Speaking of mysterious objects

The weird void orb

[orchid remnant]

Don’t worry too much about it

[balmy storm]

What weird void orb?
The one in our living quarters?

[north trail]

Yeah

[scarlet basalt]

Sometime Warframe subreddit is fun

[zenith jacinth]

Looks like someone found some nitain

[whole blaze]

bro's been sniffing too much kuva

[robust summit]

Wow. And I thought I had a tinfoil hat…

[pliant orchid]

Whoever posted that, needs to switch to decaf. I haven't seen such a weird combo since the "Wii logo hints a VR visor" thing! XD

[queen spade]

this doesn't make sense because DE don't know roman numerals (this is a fact and megan will back me up

[limpid socket]

Lol

[orchid remnant]

mushroom sun fish... wow...

[supple dagger]

It's a shame this guy discovered this only after the release date
Otherwise he would have been a prophet

[north hamlet]

Okay so a cobra in a Mag costume? Terrifying

[limpid socket]

Nira?

[wild copper]

More like mag in a cobra costume 😆

[zenith jacinth]

More a snake that behaves like a headcrab stuck on a mag prime corpse

[north hamlet]

Yeah, apparently. I just started playing New War and already I can forsee the many butt whoopings I may get fighting the snake

[zenith jacinth]

You won't if you have faster reaction time than a snail

[cyan crest]

Hey that's offensive to those of us with slower reaction time than a snail

Still the hardest Archon is probably Amar

Boreal is easy tho

[scarlet basalt]

Imagine if archon were actually faster + stronger.
Like they have been augmented by pazuul to be more threatening in their telegraphed attacks.
Like Nira actually lock you for 10 second with her petrify
Boreal has a faster fire rate on his laser
Amar has less cool down between attacks.

Also I think that each archon are pretty slow, it feels weird to think that we're supposed to fight the equivalent of ourselves but...slow?
They have mechanics that are pretty simple and good for a 3rd person shooter but lack speed, for a ninja game ?
Btw they could re use things from the beginning of the game, like the fact that you could block vor's laser attack by blocking with melee,currently with boreal's laser we can't

[zenith jacinth]

*easiest

[cyan crest]

Nah that's Boreal

[scarlet basalt]

no Boreal is the easiest but has the most annoying adds
Even tho nira has the healing one...

[viscid quarry]

Ok who snorted the cryotic

[north hamlet]

Trashed up Amar, two to go

j o y

[north hamlet]

And the snake has been charmed

[robust summit]

Ah yes. Then the bird.

Enjoy yourself.

[north hamlet]

I have done it. Wow. What a story.

[zenith jacinth]

Now wait 9 more days for an even better story (probably)

[north hamlet]

From a war that has devastated the entire sol system to creepy soap operas

What a shift

[wild wind]

My favorite part of the New War quest is that we united the system against the Sentients off-screen and proceeded to lose the war anyway

Not be salty, I was genuinely shocked when part 2 started up and I realized what'd happened

[graceful zodiac]

Barely "united", far closer to all in the same place

[steep delta]

Duviri has given unto us gifs

[stone reef]

yes. i used said gifts today. amazing stuff

like machine throwing stars

[steep delta]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-duviri-the-duviri-paradox-mesa-kaithe-gif-3881647436285719860

[stone reef]

the hikou is so fast istg

[steep delta]

Yes

Probably going to bring Mesa Prime into Duviri if the game rolls it on a particular run

[stone reef]

and flying horses too

[orchid remnant]

i still need the gif of thrax hitting the chair and the void going like BOOM you know what I mean the time reset gif

where he like clinks his fingers against the chair and then hits it!

[obtuse gyro]

Can guarantee someone is going to mistake regulators for being able to one shot the orowyrm

[supple dagger]

It is important in the adult version of the shiny kid wich remained in the ship that had to do the voidjump wich was built by he people who built the robots that almost destroyed the solar system lore . And the dominux guy is one of those humans u can see the blueskin and long arm .

[frail nymph]

And still people wonder why Ballas was important

[frail nymph]

If only her 1 didn't have a Damage cap, this could be recreated ingame

[lusty karma]

How do you get the Dax operator outfit?

[lament axle]

you need to get steel essence, either via SP incursions or killing acolytes in the SP too.

[lusty karma]

And how do I unlock SP?

[obtuse gyro]

clear star chart

[lusty karma]

Ah ok

[tranquil mirage]

Arbitrations are also unlocked at the same time.

[graceful zodiac]

Dominus doesn't have blue skin

[zenith jacinth]

Tbf the only part where his skin is visible is his left hand, and probably not a lot of people notice that

[scarlet basalt]

It implies that he either made an extension of his arm or literally chop his left arm to have his "orokin" one
Kinda gruesome

[north hamlet]

Orokin is as Orokin does

[scarlet basalt]

Orokin fanboy spotted, remove their left arm

[frail nymph]

Right arm*

[tiny depot]

i wonder when nightwave is gonna end and have new stuff

[zenith jacinth]

At some point in the near or distant future

[robust summit]

There’s probably a “giving them a hand” joke in here somewhere… I can’t think of one though.

[viscid quarry]

Power difference is immense when you lose the Tenno advantage and phargasa makes an appearance

That said yes Ik this is late and yeah part two is shocking anyways because of how total the loss was

[wild wind]

Yeah, I absolutely loved the reversal. Would have also liked a bit of leadup where we got everyone on-side, just for even more irony when it doesn't work

[orchid remnant]

i would have liked to see or hear about more tenno tbh: we saw the sleepy rhino but wouldn't it have been cool if there were other railjacks or even just dialogue about other tenno fighting in the system?

[wild wind]

Dear god yeah that too. Just add some random railjacks to the skyboxes in part 1.

[zenith jacinth]

Just one or two constantly spinning either horizontally or vertically

[pseudo sable]

I kind of want Thrax to just be a kid using an adult-sized prosthetic and for that to somehow become the basis for the Orokin and their giant arms

[wet mortar]

I kinda want a mini Orowyrm as an Orbiter pet now....

[steep delta]

yes

[wild wind]

Orowyrm sentinel kit!

Actually real talk, I want to see more evolving cosmetics. Give us the next Protovyre set

[wet mortar]

Evolving you say.... Up for Mutating Infested stuff? I'd love to see something like that in game.

[wild wind]

Yeah that'd be cool! The void-themed shoulder emblems are in already, so hey, precedent

[balmy storm]

Wyrm Prime but cooler

[wild wind]

(Oro)Wyrm Prime

[balmy storm]

[formal grove]

I'm still a bit worried I'll get in trouble if I name my kaithe Bucephallus

[uneven sage]

Doubt it, most people are okey with funny names, if they even notice, I named my railjack Little Penetrator and most I've gotten is some chuckles from it.

[wintry prairie]

[balmy storm]

you'll be fine

[pseudo sable]

worst that can happen is a popup says "no. change it"

[frail nymph]

I predict the Paradox will be that Drifter was saved by the future (post NW) Operator but Operator was saved by future (post Duviri) Drifter.

Just to write down something and see how it turns out

[rugged hemlock]

Me help brother Khal propose to blue girl. Blue girl say yes, Khal make new brothers.

[scarlet basalt]

It seems so.
Because the "other side trying to help you" feels like the zariman's hub but with us (operator) trying to help drifter ?

Or it would have been funnier if Deimos take a part and the cosmic clock is the other side like the entrati are actually trying to help drifter with also the aid of operator

[frail nymph]

Well at least Kaelli will get to participate in the New War's events and stop complaining about doing nothing

[frail nymph]

Although I wonder... What if future operator chooses not to help...?

[prisma fractal]

am interested as why drifter reached out to Dominus Thrax

[zenith jacinth]

Mercy despite being tortured? We'll find out in a little over a week

[prisma fractal]

Evil or not, I will not show mercy

anyway who's ready for the Duviri Paradox? I sure as hell am

[zenith jacinth]

I am very obviously not excited at all as can be seen by my pfp and the fact that I have a countown to the release as my status

[balmy storm]

If the Drifter experienced anything similar to the Operator then they have empathy, the same tool the Tenno used to calm Warframes.

[zenith jacinth]

I'd say drifter experienced something much worse, being without void powers and getting killed repeatedly

[balmy storm]

I’m talking about what they experienced aboard the Zariman

[prisma fractal]

interesting thought

[zenith jacinth]

"Being without void powers" was relating to that

[balmy storm]

Ah

[prisma fractal]

Pretty sure DE said the drifter of Zariman is not the same drifter as in Duviri

[balmy storm]

They never said that because they are the same.

[zenith jacinth]

"Should've stayed in duviri..."

[balmy storm]

^
That and why bring in another version of the Drifter?

[prisma fractal]

I know they are the same but it's that DE confused me when I thought they said they were different

[balmy storm]

They aren’t

[prisma fractal]

He says that when you selected Drifter after the talk with operator

[balmy storm]

Iirc Operator and Drifter were the same person up until the moment of the Wally deal, Operator took the deal and Drifter didn’t which created the two timelines, the two possibilities, part of the deal also collapsed every other possibility so only these two exist
Their histories from that point onward is everything that we know happens to the Operator and what we have yet to see for the Drifter.

[zenith jacinth]

He says that during the rj segment at the end

[molten oxide]

Ended up having to solo the final fight in an archon hunt. Beat them then the mission bugged

[balmy storm]

rip ):

[real niche]

There's nothing that says Drifter didn't took a deal, especially since he was well aware he'd get the powers some other time.

[graceful zodiac]

The implication he didn't take the deal of from the fact he was never rescued, our powers being the main reason we could be rescued

[real niche]

That doesn't explains what Drifter knows, which is the thing. Wally didn't tell him he'd get void powers sooner or later from their exchange, just that Wally would save all the other people from the disaster

[balmy storm]

Duviri will hopefully explain what the Drifter knows and how they know what they know

[balmy storm]

Also this
No deal, no powers, for Drifter or any other kids, which means no rescue.

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah,they mentioned that you will get stuff to upgrade your warframe and operator which is strange, like what kind of upgrade 🤔 .
But there's also the fact that there is 3 type of gameplay, which i wonder what is the "lone story", could it be about how drifter escaped, how ordis found him,etc...
Like yeah we don't really need to have some information but it feels really weird to not have anything.

[frail nymph]

And look how that turned out regarding Lotus in New War

[real niche]

They (everyone except Drifter, to be exact) didn't need powers to be saved, they couldve been saved by Wally any number of ways, Operator's version of the deal just involved those powers

[frail nymph]

And the opposite implication stems from the fact that Drifter felt the stab and knew they were gonna get powers.

Lack of any deal whatsoever is not a prerequisite for lack of void powers from the instant of the deal cutscene.

[frail nymph]

Yes but that's backwards. We only know they weren't rescued, nothing else.

[frail nymph]

When?

[frail nymph]

Only if we assume it's just plain empathy that allows for Warframe Transference.

[balmy storm]

We know empathy plays a part in it, as seen with Umbra iirc

[frail nymph]

We don't...

The explanation is that the Tenno can do what they do because they can take the pain away from Warframes...

Which is kinda a weird opposite of empathy. (Feeling someone else's pain)

And that they learned to do this from "within the derelict horror," aka the Zariman

We don't know if empathy plays a part in transference any more than it plays a part in holding the door for an old woman. You still need an arm and the strength to hold the door, empathy isn't the most relevant

[near rune]

Empathy probably makes it stronger or more effective. We know that non-Tenno are capable of limited Transference, including Ballas, who probably has very little empathy.

[frail nymph]

Why?

[near rune]

What part?

[frail nymph]

What reason precisely is there to believe empathy is crucial for transference any more than it is for typicall good things?

Why not sympathy, for example?

[near rune]

Oh, I was using empathy as a simplification for Ballas' "to take its pain away" explanation. Whatever word you want to use.

[frail nymph]

Oh right

I mean literal empathy, cause Ducky's point used to be that anyone with empathy can control a frame regardless of void powers being a Tenno.

[near rune]

My gut feeling is that the Tenno's Void powers also play a substantial role in their mastery of Transference, even though Ballas specifically contradicts this.

[frail nymph]

And also that Silvana only failed to use Titania because she didn't have empathy for Titania.

[near rune]

Sorry, I'm just jumping into this convo so I haven't scrolled up to read older messages.

[frail nymph]

No no, the relevant info is very old, I'm just clarifying

Don't sweat it

[orchid remnant]

I think if you try then the old lady will@help you

[frail nymph]

True, but also Ballas mostly makes vague suggestions to what Umbra should do rather than full uncontested control...

Umbra hates Ballas, after all...

[orchid remnant]

What I mean is that if you are nice to the warframe then the warframe will help you with transference

[frail nymph]

I doubt being nice is enough

If that was all, anyone would have been used in the Old War, not just Tenno.

[near rune]

I meant Ballas says "It was not their Void devilry" that allowed them to control the frames. I wasn't referring to Ballas' actions.

[orchid remnant]

Maybe they di…..d

[frail nymph]

My bad, I meant to say "regardless of being a Tenno"

Cause Ballas said Tenno had learned to take the pain away because of their experience of the derelict horrors in the Zariman.

[frail nymph]

"Hey this is your father we had to turn him into a Warframe cause he had a deadly disease. Now control him in the War for us"

[frail nymph]

Well the beginning for the argument is that Drifter must be generally very empathetic towards Dominus based on Drifter being able to use Warframes.

It's not a question of "maybe"

[graceful zodiac]

And that's a result of whatever happend in Duviri quest, cause Drifter very much has no idea what's happening in the quest when he gets the phantom stab

[frail nymph]

How can the reason for the beginning of the quest be the result of what happened in the quest, though?
(The stab being felt)

Anyway, point is, it's not necessary that Drifter got no deal.

[graceful zodiac]

It isn't the result of it. The stab is purely just the start point. Drifter very clearly had no idea he was going to get stabbed or what was happening

[frail nymph]

Yes that's what I said, Drifter feeling the stab leads to the events of Duviri and later.

But the lack of accepting any deal still fails to explain the occurrence of the stab feeling

So it's not necessary that Drifter accepted no deal

[graceful zodiac]

Feeling stabbed wouldn't be connected to taking or not taking the deal, not on Drifter's end

[frail nymph]

Why exactly wouldn't it be? It absolutely could

Wally must have sort-of delivered the Lotus hand to Duviri given that the same hand was shook upon in the deal

We just don't know for sure whether Wally and his deals are irrelevant to Drifter feeling the stab and whether Drifter took no deal.

[balmy storm]

No it wasn’t?
I said it plays a part in it lol

[frail nymph]

But then why did you say that empathy was the reason Silvana couldn't control Titania and not the fact that she isn't a Tenno?

[balmy storm]

When did I say that?

[frail nymph]

A lot of things play a part in any ability, but we don't talk about every little possible factor.

Yesterday or a couple days earlier

[balmy storm]

I didn’t, I don’t know anything about Silvana and her relation to Titania

I haven’t played that quest in years nor do I talk about Silvana cause I don’t remember anything that happened in the quest

[frail nymph]

My bad

It was Faeii but I got confused cause you're the only other person I've ever seen bring up the word empathy

[balmy storm]

It’s all good

I know empathy isn’t the driving factor for transference to be possible, but in terms of the Tenno it is a factor that, at the very least, helps them to soothe the pain of their Warframe
Or at the least that’s the case with Umbra

If empathy was all it took then we’d be out of the job anyway

[frail nymph]

Sure, a Tenno who isn't empathetic would be less likely to bother...

But I still find it quite odd to focus on the empathy part.

Tenno are brave too, but we don't talk about that

[balmy storm]

True, I’m sure bravery goes into transference too

I’d have to replay it (again) but in the Sacrifice it felt like empathy was of great importance in how the Tenno helped the Warframes, of course it wasn’t the only thing but when compared to the Orokin and from what I got from it it was invaluable

[serene sage]

what other umbras do you think are out there? I'm thinking Rhino, Loki, Mag, Trinity, Frost, Valkyr and Nyx

Nekros and Oberon too maybe, Ash also

like, starter/early frames

[steady gate]

None? Umbra was a special punishment, not a prototype

[orchid remnant]

didn't silvana not like titania that much

[frail nymph]

And...?

My point basically is: Silvana didn't like the Orokin either, does that make it even tougher to control a Warframe?

Or does her knowledge as an infestation biologist make it easier?

[cyan crest]

But ballas makes it clear that the tenmo can't control the warframes because of their void magic but rather because they're good therapists, and that's because of their empathy, they relate the the frame
It wasn't their void devilry, nor their alien minds, it was their ability to look into a broken, ugly thing and take away its pain
So Silvana didn't have that and couldn't do it because she didn't go through a traumatic experience that made her relate to Titania

[zenith jacinth]

Tenmo

[cyan crest]

Oh come on

[cyan crest]

So like, empathy plays a big part on it but the core of the thing is that they're basically super therapist to the frames

[viscid quarry]

Magical space void devil therapists

[zenith jacinth]

"Damn, you've been through some stuff"
New friend obtained

[viscid quarry]

Basically lmao

[zenith jacinth]

Tbf that's how it sometimes works in the real world too

[balmy storm]

All it takes to be a super therapist is some super trauma!

[cyan crest]

Best kind of therapist

[cyan crest]

If you think about it we're Batman meets Neon Genesis Evangelion only crime didn't kill our parents, it was ourselves :D
That's gonna give anyone trauma

Wait no no need for batman everyone had at least a dead parent in Evangelion

[viscid quarry]

We are only missing the copious gold at times and a normal pedestal to complete the holy trinity of pedestals

[balmy storm]

The Drifter’s batman since they maybe didn’t kill our/their parents

[steep delta]

lol

sounds about right

[amber terrace]

Question: am I being dumb when I say that I hope that there isn’t a Warframe coming with the Duviri Paradox? I say that because the bread and butter, the meat and potatoes if you will, of the update is based on Drifter combat and non Warframe combat stuff

[wild wind]

Maybe, but only a little. Voruna was originally supposed to be the Duviri frame, but I like where she is now.

[supple dagger]

If there was one then I’m pretty sure DE would’ve showed it off during the Duviri devstream

[scarlet basalt]

Nope, there is nothing, because they put 2 deluxe skin and i guess that it would be way too much grind because of them "hyping" up duviri by saying that there will be a lot of upgrades for OP/warframe.
Like if there was,voruna+orowyrm grind+ weapons grind+intrinsic farm+fishing+other things...
I don't think you could handle that much farming, it is still a content island but i think there will be way more things on it. And it seems to be also fun, tho they could add a "banner" type of enemies that could boost other unit's speed...But maybe there will be something like that ? Because they look rather slow

[robust summit]

I think we can count the new drifter stuff and the horse as our new frame for this update.

[wicked iron]

I hope the Intrinsics will carry to our Operator, and that we can (even if only eventually) user our Operator in Duviri, too.

[robust summit]

That would be fun!!!

[amber terrace]

I would assume we can use our Tenno/operator form in the Circuit

[scarlet basalt]

The grineer seeing a kid using a horse to rush against them 😮

[wild wind]

We have archwing and K-Drive themed Warframes. Are we going to have a horse themed Warframe in the pipeline?

[amber terrace]

Peace, love, and all due respect, I hope not

[thick jolt]

its only logical right ?

[scarlet basalt]

That would be raw as hell, like imagine a paladin rushing through hordes of enemies with a horse

[amber terrace]

That would be sick but until we get a feel for how the horses work, I’m a bit apprehensive about new movement systems after Waverider

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah,that's more a map problem than anything else tbh. Because k-drive is actually okay-ish, even tho the momentum is problematic in a game like warframe. Where no one know how to control that.

[wild wind]

Ah yes, the experience of bumping lightly into a rock and being ragdolled halfway across the Valis

Also, bold of you to expect that the Warframe with horse would ride it instead of BEING the horse....

[scarlet basalt]

Yes, this is good design, why? Because you're playing tony hawk's pro skater

[wild wind]

Tenno Hawk's Pro K-Drive

[real niche]

They flat out said one of the rewards for doing Duviri is a Warframe during the gameplay stream.

[scarlet basalt]

wait what ? I didn't knew, it's a new warframe or Voruna ?

[real niche]

New frame, hasn't said anything beyond that

[wild wind]

I don't recall that. I remember them saying that Voruna had been planned to launch as the Duviri frame but they shelved the idea.

[thick jolt]

i dont recall that either you remember the part where they said it ?

[real niche]

No, I'm looking through rn

[scarlet basalt]

So there is a chance that they've done an incarnon warframe lol.
With how the drifter's executor (idk his name but he was reading thing) can incarnon thing in his hand, there is a chance... Which would be so weird and funny

[thick jolt]

i remember something about being able to farm normal frames in duviri but dont remember anything about new frame

[wild wind]

........technically Sevagoth is the Incarnon frame

[scarlet basalt]

wait you're right, and i forgot that i should play this dude, because he is kinda very good no ?

[wild wind]

And how dare you make me make that connection

Pirates in cowboy territory ig

[frail nymph]

I know, but "because Zariman-accident-trained-therapist" as an explanation is pretty much the exact same as "because Tenno."

Which is why I say the latter rather than saying "because empathy."

[real niche]

Oh wait yeah I misheard it.

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

The fun part about seva is that the ability everyone subsumes him for is extremely optional on him

[viscid quarry]

And then subsume him once he reaches max rank because who actually plays sevagoth normally and didn’t subsume him

[zenith jacinth]

The one frame that doesn't need gloom is the one that has gloom, ironic

[zenith jacinth]

I like melee, shadow is immortal melee, I like shadow

Farming up a second seva for the subsume I'll never use because gloom isn't actually that good

[viscid quarry]

Ok you have a point however: Excalibur, valkyr, wukong, Titania, Garuda, gara ish etc

[supple dagger]

Revenant, Baruuk

[viscid quarry]

Caliban

[zenith jacinth]

Excalibur is fragile, so is valkyr mostly, wukong, I don't like titania, garuda is fun, never got gara

[viscid quarry]

You should get gara

Also umbra

[zenith jacinth]

I hate bounties

[zenith jacinth]

Still fragile

[viscid quarry]

Her prime

I still have some parts if you need them

[supple dagger]

yes, mainly in orb vallis

[zenith jacinth]

You're missing the main point: when shadow dies I can just recast it

[viscid quarry]

Fair but still you need to die first

[zenith jacinth]

Cross trade no exist yet

[viscid quarry]

?

[zenith jacinth]

Which also usually doesn't happen

[viscid quarry]

Are you kidding me just put on cross play and I can prob give you the bps

[thick jolt]

you cant

[zenith jacinth]

Cross trade isn't a thing yet, only crossplay

[viscid quarry]

Oh

Well if I recall I do have relics

We could run those

[thick jolt]

that you could

[zenith jacinth]

A combination of multiple factors make it very unlikely for me to ever get gara:
I don't like bounties and void fissures
Rng hates me

[viscid quarry]

Then repent your sins to RNGESUS

[zenith jacinth]

I probably have a few myself as well

[viscid quarry]

For starter make a sibear

[balmy badger]

I thought that they said that non-Steel Path Circuit was going to be an alternate method of obtaining Warframe's?

[supple dagger]

I Need Duviri

[viscid quarry]

Then forma it

Then Make another

[zenith jacinth]

He seems to just prefer it when I play dark souls for some reason

[supple dagger]

I had 103 relics that had Nidus’s helmeth, which I want. So I ran tons of void fissure missions and rn I’m at 63 of those relics and still no Nidus helmet:/

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah

[balmy badger]

At that point, you probably have enough Prime junk to sell and buy the part you want. People never think to use that as a failsafe method for terrible RNG.

[viscid quarry]

Then make another sibear after the first formad one

Then forma it and the first one 20 times

[supple dagger]

I have a full set of Shade Prime now so that’s something lol

[scarlet basalt]

Sevagoth making a coming back so he will stop having the most tedious way to get a warframe

[viscid quarry]

And pledge yourself to RNGESUS and you will be forgiven

[zenith jacinth]

You typed ash wrong

[scarlet basalt]

just saw the farm, what the hell

[supple dagger]

Hopefully

[viscid quarry]

Yeah depends on how angry RNGESUS is

[zenith jacinth]

Sevagoth is much less tedious than ash

[supple dagger]

I got all of Khoras rare bps first try so I probably used all my luck for that

[scarlet basalt]

they should have made voruna/citrine tedious to get, like there is no RNG, you keep farming until you get enough ressources 🧠

[zenith jacinth]

I tried farming base khora once. Never got her main or sustems bp

[supple dagger]

F

[zenith jacinth]

But I had like 4 chassis bps

[viscid quarry]

What about base harrow

[supple dagger]

I got all of base Khoras bps from farming focus in ESO until I figured out that void angels and void cascade are way better to farm for focus

[zenith jacinth]

There's still rng tho, that's just the devs adding a mercy system

[zenith jacinth]

Nothing. Ever. (except chassis obviously)

[viscid quarry]

No surprise

[balmy badger]

The mercy system guarantees you'll get it after a set amount of runs, but you can get it sooner than that with good RNG.

[viscid quarry]

Which is why people with bad rng must repent to RNGESUS

[zenith jacinth]

Isn't khora only obtainable through regular so

[supple dagger]

How does one do this

[scarlet basalt]

I don't think void angels/thrax enemies are better but a calm way to get focus, like you get your ressources (for weapons/warframe) + have some farming for focus, and it's great, but ESO is always faster
But TBH i loved killing angels/thrax for standing, it just felt much better, you play with your focus school instead of not playing with it and have like : oh yeah you spend eidolon's shard or use your weapon which has literally no link with your focus school but it work because you put a lens

[supple dagger]

Idk I forgot

[viscid quarry]

I listed a way

Most are torturous and rely on rng yet of RNGESUS decides you are ready to accept him again you shall receive

[supple dagger]

I mean void angels give you 15k focus off the bat and combined with the 2500 focus that Thrax give you, I found it pretty easy to do. It’s also how I unlocked all the way bounds for my op/drifter

[scarlet basalt]

Yep, honestly i think angels/thrax are the best way to farm because you're actually playing your focus school instead of just spending random ressource or some random exp comes to your focus school lol

[supple dagger]

Yea exactly

[scarlet basalt]

If duviri allow OP to have melee weapons on normal gameplay... Does that mean that Naramon's focus school will be actually really good for operator ?
Like hear me out : you have a lot of bonus for yourself and it make your gameplay very comfy because you don't have to stress about losing combo for example
So could that mean that it could make your focus school...Better ? In another way than buffing it ?

[supple dagger]

I’ll just trade all my prime junk for plat and buy the Nidus helmet that way smh. RNGESUS will never give me mercy

[viscid quarry]

Because you have already shown your not willing

[undone gust]

when was it exactly, that warframe became an rng cult? I only remember the red text cult

[supple dagger]

I’m pretty sure only drifter will have access to melee and that’ll only be in Duviri. You do get to have all the melee weapons for normal Warframe gameplay tho iirc

[scarlet basalt]

They could have buffed naramon in a new way but whatever i guess
Oh wait that mean that i will have a chance to get those mockery of a dax's weapon 😮

[supple dagger]

Lol yea

But not the ones that change elements like Teshins did unfortunately

[scarlet basalt]

teshin's weapon is literally hystrix but melee

[zenith jacinth]

There will be no op melee outside of duviri

[viscid quarry]

It has always existed

[supple dagger]

I’m so jealous that new players get to experience Warframe in a totally different way and immediately get access to Duviri if they choose to do Duviri first. Them seeing drifter in TNW will be more like “oh look its the guy from Duviri” instead of “Oh look the op got old and came back”

[scarlet basalt]

Kinda make me sad 😔 could have made some very drastic change on how we could have use for focus school :

Naramon could be a very focused melee type of gameplay that can be played with even the operator with melee,so it's not only beneficial for the warframe, but also OP
Zenurik doesn't need change, it's just great for normal gameplay and feels good for begineer
Vazarin, with the help of intrinsic it could add better use of the vazarin, allowing you to "tank" enemies (up to archon's level for example) and get the aggro (i don't think it really exist, but a mod say that it somehow exist)
Madurai, it's just great, no need to have buff tbh
Unairu, a debuff focus school that is great but not in pratice because of how scuffed the gameplay can be as there is a lot of delay between OP/warframe. But maybe an intrinsic that allow your operator to have +50% Casting speed/projectile speed ? Because Unairu has : CC,Shield/armor strip,great synergy with warframe but is pretty slow. It could be very interesting a thing like someone who always play operator and help all of the team to debuff them, making a "support" gameplay.
Oh and for people who will ask against who we should have this "buff", against smilar enemies like thrax. But without the 200% void damage bonus against them lol

[viscid quarry]

Ok I see your point

[magic estuary]

So I just met the lotus in person. Is that the end of the story?

[thick jolt]

second dream ? you are starting the main arc

[vital creek]

congratulations, you have finished the tutorial

[errant minnow]

I feet like something was missing from the trailer, it was really good but didn't live up to my hype. It needed the "doominuuuus, ooOooOohh doominuuuuus" song

[frail nymph]

Wdym delay between OP/Warframe?

It's very smooth for me

WF to Op is faster than ever while Op to WF is as fast as a WF melee attack.

[scarlet basalt]

My computer suck

[balmy storm]

Turn down settings if you haven’t already

[cosmic ermine]

I put a big Mastery plaque panel here since before Voruna update and it didnt clip anything.
now there's this new debris appeared out of nowhere that clips it 🤔 since when?

[balmy storm]

It came with the either the Voruna update or the Citrine update, don’t remember which

It might do something when Duviri drops, or after that, but that’s speculation since it currently does nothing

[flat shadow]

If that's in the Zariman, probably something to do with Duviri

[flint totem]

Anyone got an idea on how i could decorate my dormizone table area to look like its split b/w and colored on each end? Ping me if you have an idea

[balmy storm]

It is, our dormizone

[scarlet basalt]

That thing spawned out of nowhere yep,idk what is this supposed to be but it look like a table so you can change a baby's diaper

[scarlet basalt]

did they re-use drusus VA so it's also for bombastine ?

[zenith jacinth]

They don't really sound similar

[past python]

Hi

[viscid quarry]

“Eternalistically” I’m taking that

[robust summit]

That’s funny. Good job.

[wild wind]

[vagrant pagoda]

i kinda hope we will get to use the dormizone as a player house like the ||drifters camp|| and orbiter when duviri comes out.

[zenith jacinth]

Same

[wild wind]

God, the Xenoblade expansion drops the before Duviri, how am I going to do both

[paper spade]

I want future redeemed so bad but I don't have extra moneeeeeyyyy

[vagrant pagoda]

I also wonder if we will get zaws and kit guns in teshins cave

Or companions

No loot vacuum may get annoying if there end up being a lot of loot

[wild wind]

Hmm, good question. I think that the Duviri cycle is going to work differently. Rather than crates and horde pickups, in Duviri proper you'll get rewards immediately, from fishing, helping NPCs and fighting off the bosses.

Undercroft, of course, will have us doing normal Warframe stuff

[cosmic ermine]

dang time to move the panel and all the mastery trophy

[cosmic ermine]

welp, time to also un-barricade the door

[balmy storm]

Or leave it barricaded and have a secret entrance

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh they should just make an item/decoration that allow navigation.
Like just go the easy way and do that lol

[viscid quarry]

Wait are the prime pedestal and umbra pedestal the only pedestals

[scarlet basalt]

Do y'all think that for a punishment , ballas has thrown the umbra pedestal against excalibur umbra ?

[frail nymph]

That profile pic is quite strategic...

People read you saying stuff like this but then the profile pic makes us forget.

[supple dagger]

The dormizone... There's something that bothers me
I decorate my Orbiter for the fact that we are always in it... It is our Spawn point...
But besides that, the dormizone has an old and worn look, which makes me stay away from it so much... But I know why the dormizone is worn out (Zariman)... However, I think DE should make the Dormizone be an exception, and leave it "New" by default, to be more attractive.

[zenith jacinth]

Or make it customizable like the orbiter because some people might prefer the way it looks now

And I'm not sure how walls and floors can even be "attractive"

[wicked iron]

I would like it if we had the chance to restore the hub area and the Dormizone on the Zariman to pristine condition. That could be cool, considering other changes we have seen are usually degradation (Plains/Fortuna post-TNW, for example).

[wispy jasper]

Would be a nice additional quest reward to make you feel like you’re having an impact. Gets a bit dreary living in the ghost ship.

[supple dagger]

I respect the attempt

[wild wind]

Pfft

[scarlet basalt]

Raw as hell

Infested liches ? Finally we will have a main antagonist for the infested ?

Necramech content annonced maybe it means that there will be some tweak for it to feel good,even tho i feel like a dreadnought in WH40K

[obtuse gyro]

3rd orb is real

[whole blaze]

okay so what if like. Narmer has taken over the Tau galaxy while we've been protecting the solar system. and sometime after duviri and other shennanigans we get sent to the tau galaxy to try and stop Pazuul and his new Archons?

[amber terrace]

Ballas nearly ate the sun just to have enough juice to jump to Tau. The Zariman was a folly idea from the get go

[wicked iron]

I doubt they reached Tau so quickly.

Well, the Zariman may have worked. Yonta says she figured out how to make the jump... Whether that's a hint for the future for how we get to Tau or not remains to be seen, though.

[graceful zodiac]

Zariman would've have worked baseline if the Orokin hadn't tried to speed things up.

[amber terrace]

Pre update theory statement: What if Bombastine is the one really pulling the strings? Sure it’s Thrax pulling the trigger but what if it’s Bombastine who’s “in charge” of Thrax’ mood cycles? He was the focal point of Tennocon 2022 in terms of the special relay activity thing and he’s the narrator for some of the trailers for the Duviri Paradox. I don’t have any evidence aside from that, I just get the gut instinct that while Thrax has the hand on the gun, Bombastine is the one calling the shots so to speak

*Thrax is shorthand for Dominus Thrax, I’m too lazy to type out Dominus each and every time lol

[thick jolt]

The tau system was cut off from solar system so i highly doubt that

[amber terrace]

Hmmm… looking at the Wiki, it says that Dominus Thrax was at one point in time referred to “The Child King”. Well if Human history is anything to go off of, child monarchs are the easiest to make into the puppets of the people really in charge

[lament axle]

finally, the funny dual nikana

[zenith jacinth]

Now we just need zaw linking to make dual nikana zaws

[scarlet basalt]

So you need to mod every weapon that you have so you don't get any trouble with modless weapon lol

[zenith jacinth]

Looks at what I just said in #players-helping-players

[scarlet basalt]

"Melee attack hit twice" it is a crazy things to bring 😭

[scarlet basalt]

oh wow there's actually difficulty.
Maybe not in the undercroft with saryn's existence

[thick jolt]

if you get saryn among what 53 choices ?

[scarlet basalt]

i think it will only pick from your inventory (but if you don't have enough they give some random frame)
Meaning that someone will try to play the game with only 3 or 4 frame.
That would be crazy

[thick jolt]

during prime time they mentioned that starting from mr3 you can get from any of the 53 frames

when you start out you get your pool from a few simpler frames but starting around mr3 you get from all frames

[scarlet basalt]

Ohhh that's cool, this is very interesting . + they have stated that it's modded if you don't have it.