spoiler-chat

[tiny ibex]

don't need any false optimism, just a good leading figure

Lotus is obviously a thug torturing grineer for one as per the Cetus bounties

secondly again, seems her strings are easy to pull

Teshin has the Dax flaw of course, when he was controlled by the queen but still

[zenith jacinth]

No, it was brainwashing literally every time, and there's no one left who can/wants to do that

[tiny ibex]

but technically speaking, what does she do

canonically we have been leaderless for a while now right?

[zenith jacinth]

The tenno already started being less dependent before she disappeared

[tiny ibex]

I mean it looks like we're organized enough to run things as is

[zenith jacinth]

We need someone to hold us back, otherwise something like the elder queen might happen again

[tiny ibex]

no denying that, I just don't think that's Lotus

[zenith jacinth]

And that didn't have positive consequences

[tiny ibex]

she has shown a lot of flaws already

I am honestly even in doubts about what the sentients even want now?

[zenith jacinth]

Peace

[tiny ibex]

I get their initial attack to eliminate the orokin, but after they fell now they want to become conquerors?

and trusting Ballas like that, maybe I am a bit mean but they seem a bit dumb

[zenith jacinth]

That was ballas manipulating erra

[zenith jacinth]

Fragments don't have a mind of their own

[tiny ibex]

yeah I understood that, I just believe they should've known better by now

the actual sentient sentients I mean

[zenith jacinth]

Which are: erra, hunhow, natah

Natah was brainwashed, hunhow didn't know about it, erra is just really gullible

[tiny ibex]

on that note, why is Hunhow hunting us

[graceful zodiac]

Because he needs us dead to finish the Sequence

[tiny ibex]

I feel like there's a lot of wasted resources now that the orokin are gone

[autumn turret]

hunhow was hunting us

[zenith jacinth]

Hunhow doesn't want us dead anymore

[autumn turret]

he wants us dead less

[tiny ibex]

so I guess Stalker being after us now is a gameplay vestige?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[autumn turret]

he would still prefer us dead

[tiny ibex]

I get his grudge but again, I feel like his anger is misplaced

[graceful zodiac]

Stalker being after us is very much still canon

[tiny ibex]

we've just been tools for the orokin

[graceful zodiac]

And we were still there only threat to him and his kind, so we need to die to finish the Sequence

[zenith jacinth]

Stalker being after us because of hunhow isn't canon anymore, but stalker himself attacking us because he wants to is

[tiny ibex]

I get him feeling threatened iif he up and tried to invade the Tau system or whatever

but him continuing to antagonize us just makes me wanna do it maybe

[zenith jacinth]

Why would he try to invade tau

[tiny ibex]

typo, I meant if we

[graceful zodiac]

I mean, he was never after us because of Hunhow in the first place, that was just mutually beneficial

[tiny ibex]

we have no plans or were ever involved in going after sentients specifically until they tried reigniting that conflict it feels

it's as if we'd go and kill Teshin and Varzia outselves just because at one point in the past they served the orokin

[graceful zodiac]

We weren't no. But Hunhow wanted to finish the plan, so it was foregone

[tiny ibex]

I feel that makes him foolish

[graceful zodiac]

Eh? Their plan with to eliminate all Orokin trace in the origin system and we are the only direct threat left to that or them

[tiny ibex]

but we eliminated the orokin ourselves

[graceful zodiac]

Great. We're still Orokin, as is everything in the system (going by their strict terms)

[tiny ibex]

in that case they're also orokin

they were simply tools created for a scope, like us

I get their strict logic i guess

I just believe they should drop the facade of greater good if they're just idiots

[graceful zodiac]

They never were for the greater good in the first place

[tiny ibex]

Erra helped create Narmer for what he calls peace

so he had some "noble" intentions, however foolish

[graceful zodiac]

And Erra was an idiot who didn't know the Plan in the first place by all accounts

[tiny ibex]

if Hunhow only wants revenge then how is he any better than orokin

[graceful zodiac]

He's really not in that sense

[tiny ibex]

I guess he technically did now to save Natah, but yeah

feels like a pointless conflict honestly

not saying the story is bad in that sense, mostly picking at the motivations of the characters

[graceful zodiac]

Hunhow and Plan were never about the moral High Ground, just ensuring nothing on the Origin System could threaten Tau

[tiny ibex]

I guess

but I feel like him being actively a thorn only makes Tau a more viable target if we can actually reach it

[graceful zodiac]

And do what though?

[tiny ibex]

genocide of course

[graceful zodiac]

Nothing in the System can really threaten the Sentients at this point in time

[tiny ibex]

probably not

but I reckon it's not what it was either, I feel like this failed invasion was an all-in

I doubt Tau is as armed as it once was

and yeah the system is too divided to actually do anything

[graceful zodiac]

Tau has had thousands of years to build up

The Old War was definitely not an all-in, just self-elected volunteers since it's a one way trip

[tiny ibex]

but the New War certainly look like an all-in to me

or at least, much more involved

I doubt Hunhow would be hiding like a coward on Uranus as he did if he had any leverage over sentients loyal to him

[flat shadow]

Really, we have no idea what Tau looks like right now. I doubt anyone in the Origin system has any idea. There are no indicators that there is faster than light communications without travelling the void.

[tiny ibex]

I have a feeling the void would be used for sure somehow

[flat shadow]

Probably. The void has become pretty central to the lore

[tiny ibex]

if we were ever to tread on that path

I would see the man in the wall letting us reach Tau to cause some damage for his personal entertainment

to me so far he looks like someone powerful enough to play with lives for fun

and causing conflict sounds like something he would do

[graceful zodiac]

It was an all-in only in terms of the forces that were already in the Origin System

Nothing has come from Tau or been to Tau

[tiny ibex]

weren't the first Murexes we fight coming from Tau and arriving in the veil proxima region?

think it was called operation scarlet spear?

they certainly weren't locally made

[graceful zodiac]

They weren't, they had always been there waiting

[robust summit]

Didn’t the sentients reach tau, realize they loved it there and the orokin would mess it up, then came right back to the origin system to start the old war?

Could have sworn Natah monologues about that before the ropoyolist(?) fight on Jupiter.

[tiny ibex]

yeah they certainly got established there

and I don't think they built any of the Murexes here

[graceful zodiac]

That's the jist of it, specific to be questioned

But as was said, nothing has been to Tau or come from Tau

[robust summit]

Yeah. They passed through the void to reach Tau. That’s why they can’t reproduce anymore.

[graceful zodiac]

No, that was on coming back

[tiny ibex]

they've been to Tau and came back though, what do you mean by "nothing has been to Tau or come from Tau"

and again, Murexes seem to be adapted to build combat drones now, I guess it could've been an orokin thing to ensure they have a way to combat any potentially hostiles in Tau but still

I am more inclined to believe it was just a device for them to create drones for terraforming that was adapted to create combat drones

but what I mean to get to it doesn't seem like they're the sort to just leave things to chance, I bet they adapted a lot of what they had for combat while in Tau on their way to invade the Origin system

both during the old war and now

The smaller ones sure but the tougher they get the more combat oriented they look

[graceful zodiac]

Nothing has been to our come from since the Old War. All Sentient forces we have are the same crew that first came over to fight

[fleet veldt]

And without the great devourer to recycle with, they're stuck having to upcycle available materials to fabricate/restore Murexes, replace lost Sentient units, and lean intensely on Narmer to have any leverage.

Not to mention that any more Sentients waking up from death-hibernation to the current situation may defect to Lotus or Hunhow depending on their reaction to Erra being hijacked by Pazuul and the Archons being rather... savage and maddened, I'd put it.

[near rune]

I do wonder if Lotus is trying to convert any Sentients that might still be out there. She talks about saving Erra from Pazuul, but what happens if she does? Last time we saw him (intact), he'd just come around to "Ballas is bad" but wasn't yet at "Tenno are good".

[zenith jacinth]

He'd at least get somewhere near hunhow's level

[robust summit]

Not quite “good” or not quite “bad”. A more neutral party.

[zenith jacinth]

Actually, he might lean more towards tenno good and could even start trying to help clean up the mess he made

Not too likely, but it could happen

If he ever gets de-archon'd and survives it

Imagine archon-hunt level narmer bounties where you get sentient allies

That'd be pretty cool

[fleet veldt]

Especially if they get to use Lotus' purple colours, or are the one-off Eidolon versions we get to fight when chasing her unfiltered/wild self.

Hold this mental image close: Revenant (Prime) leading an army of Eidolon Sentients to battle, with Hunhow, Lotus, and even Pazuul cheering them on.

Then Pazuul goes 'wait, why am I happy about this?' and begins to have a psycho-existential crisis of identity.

[graceful zodiac]

Praghasa had no bearing on their capabilities beyond the "eat the sun" plan. Plus, there are currently no Sentients with any kind of ability to have to pick a side.

[fleet veldt]

I am under the belief that we've not seen the full breadth of the Sentients regardless, as the most we've faced were the small bit of Hunhow's combat contingent (mainly what he was willing to muster) and the guard fleet protecting Praghasa.

By that I honestly feel there has to be more Sentients still lying in wait. Narmer and Ballas wouldn't've wanted to wake them because they would pose resistance to an Orokin being the shot-caller and trying to push his own crazy ideas over methodical, patient, reliable moves that would've won the Old War were it not for the Tenno.

If not original Sentients, then more fragments of those who fought and perhaps died who are yet to rise up - or Sentients that are still growing thanks to experiments with Alad's Amalgam research and other disturbing matters.

[frail nymph]

They flew normally to Tau. That's why making something as risky as a sentient race of machines was worthwhile - nothing else can survive the normal space journey

[supple dagger]

what made them unable to reproduce anymore was going back to the origin through the Void, not to Tau

[frail nymph]

Exactly

Because travelling for decades through normal space while taking tons damage along the way is not ideal before fighting a war's last ditch effort

[wispy stag]

so how did the sentients obtain void warp

[near rune]

Sentients built the Solar Rail from Sol to Tau. They used it to return to Sol during the Old War, but using the Rail sterilises them. Sentient ships appear to have mechanisms to travel within the Origin System, though this is never really explained.

[rain otter]

Also Hunhow Destroyed it.

At least on the Origin System Side.

[near rune]

Yeah

[supple dagger]

Sentients are basically like the machines from Horizon, except they can’t self reproduce since they went through the void

[scarlet basalt]

I was thinking of something weird : what if sentients developed technologies through the new war , like on Tau you cannot use transference unless you do special task ?
Like similar to duviri 🤔

[zenith jacinth]

Not sure how the advancements of sol sentients could be transferred over to tau

[uneven sage]

Except the ones that possibly still are in the Tau system, and have been for centuries.
No telling what changes they've gone through by now.

[distant tusk]

So theoretically sentients can reproduce?

Would a baby sentient be cute?

[zenith jacinth]

Probably not

[distant tusk]

Well yes

They can

But not if they go through the void

[graceful zodiac]

Impossible given they don't know how Transference works

[frail nymph]

I hope the mechanism is just that they go z o o m

And not just some void based thing they started using after already having come to the Origin system.

In fact, without that mechanism, it would have taken them hundreds of thousands of years to reach Tau in the first place.

[uneven sage]

Might be loopholes in there, if they become an eidolon and then back into a sentient like Lotus did maybe they get "reset", don't think theres an precedent for it yet.
So a child of Lotus might be in the future.
Just speculations ofc.

[flint totem]

So, if a void manifestation(like the holdfasts) drink from the reliquary drive, they become a void angel right?

What if the operator drinks from it? He isnt a void manifestation but he has cool void powers from wally. Would he still become one or would there be a different effect?

Idk, its an if

[distant tusk]

That’s my favorite snack

You should try it sometime

[flint totem]

So, if the operator drinks it, what would happen? I think they would be fine since they alr got void abilities from wally

We could drink a whole kuva, we probably can

[uneven sage]

Not to live right, but I was more they could not die, and constantly lured by the "song" and into drinking from the drive.

[lament axle]

how would you consume something from the drive again?

[graceful zodiac]

Nothing given we don't operate in a way that interacts with the finger

[flint totem]

Ye but that means we probably can stomach it

So what would happen if operator drinks from the drive

[graceful zodiac]

They wouldn't be able to in the first place

[flint totem]

Why?

[lament axle]

afaik it is a way to use wally's finger to use void energy (maybe i'm just confusing things)

[graceful zodiac]

Operators don't work like that

[flint totem]

Ik, just a what if

We dont NEED it, nor do we want it

[lament axle]

we flying or we dying, ig

[flint totem]

But if some random operator decided to do it for some reason, what would happen

No clue

[graceful zodiac]

Nothing

[flint totem]

Ait then

[lament axle]

void lich /s

[flint totem]

So only void manifestations can ig

[uneven sage]

The reliquery drive is powered by "copies" of Wallys missing finger, if I remember right, gets confusing, so it's rather the void energy from Wally turns them into void angels.
So question is if we do actually get it from Wally, or he simply used us as we got it from somewhere else.
The void already influenced and changed people before we accepted Wallys hand, as seen in the adults going crazy from it.

[flint totem]

I see

[uneven sage]

Massive speculation though, not much supporting it.

[frail nymph]

I hope the mechanism is just that they go z o o m.
And not just some void based thing they adopted after already having lost their abilities in the big long trip to this system.

In fact, without such a simple mechanism, it would have taken them hundreds of thousands of years to reach Tau

[visual solstice]

It's been a while since the Zariman ARG, does anyone here happen to have the files still saved on their PC that they can send to me? One of my friends is recently getting into Warframe and wants to have a crack at solving them himself

[cyan crest]

One of the puzzles required calling a number in nevada

That uh may or may not have been really similar to one from a pharmacy in Scotland

[visual solstice]

Yeah I was there while it was happening, good times LOL

[flat shadow]

Those poor pharmacists.

[clear walrus]

spoiler the new update will have bugs

[wicked iron]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Zariman_ARG should have all the stuff. 🙂

[torpid lantern]

It was a stressful day xD

[wicked iron]

[jagged sable]

omg I remember in the later part of the arg, new peeps kept coming in and decoding the first bit not knowing that we had done that already.
And it got so frustrating so quickly having to repeat the same thing over and over again.
And that's not to say it was their fault because iirc there wasn't any indicator those codes were solved at that point. So coming to the conclusion that the codes were unsolved was a reasonable reaction.

[supple dagger]

Or maybe they’ve built enormous Orphix Force fields that cover up the planets there and the system is heavily protected and secured

[scarlet basalt]

yeah something like that, thank you wide gauss

[supple dagger]

Lol np

[wicked iron]

I think it was stated that all the Sentients came to Sol for the Old War. Lotus talks about how no one has seen Tau in a long time (I can't remember if she says centuries, millennia, or something else). It's possible there could be others back there, but they likely wouldn't have any method of communication or data gathering since the Rails to Tau have been destroyed for forever.

[scarlet basalt]

Lol imagine if it's the most peaceful solar system (well we know only 2). Like it's just peace.
Then the tenno arrive and it's doom eternal and everything try to kill you to protect everything they ever built in tau.
It's funny that we don't have any mention of any alien species, like with how you word it, it mean that they discovered planets with potential life but no intelligent one (i mean smilar to humans)

[near rune]

Lotus' line is "But none have seen Tau in centuries, nor heard it speak. Nira and her kin were doubly abandoned." This implies to me that there are still some Sentients left in Tau (otherwise Nira wouldn't have been "abandoned"). There's nothing that says that all the Sentients left Tau during the Old War. I think it's probable that there are plenty still there, but there's no way to communicate or travel since the Rail got severed.

[zenith jacinth]

I'd take one of the sol sentients along to tell the tau ones that we're not a threat

[wispy stag]

if im understanding correctly they flew normally to tau and on the way back did the void jump and got sterilized?

[frail nymph]

Yes

[wispy stag]

so when did the old war fit into all this

[frail nymph]

Started after they flew to Tau and finished the rail, ended shortly after they jumped back and destroyed the rail.

[wispy stag]

and the new war was the sentients just hangin outside the system until the time was right?

[frail nymph]

Pretty much

[wispy stag]

ty for clearing that up

[steady gate]

Old war was when the Sentients realized that the Orokin would destroy Tau, aka everything they built, just as they did to the Origin system. So the Sentients came back and tried to make sure that never happened

[zenith jacinth]

They failed and the tenno ended up doing it for them

[frail nymph]

Sentients coming back was specifically in response to finding out about the Tenno but yeah

[steady gate]

No, Tenno were after the Sentients arrived

Orokin tried their normal weapons, Sentients took those over.
Orokin released the infested…not much really changed.
Orokin made Proto frames, couldn’t control.
Orokin remembered the Tenno

[near rune]

Yeah, that's not right. The Sentients were already fighting the Orokin when the Tenno and warframes were developed.

[neon pagoda]

We need rework phorid boss

[rain otter]

What

The tenno weren't Made into the Tenno until the sentients came to attack the System but the Zariman incident happended before the sentients came the tenno where just chilling in Lua until the Orokin used them for war. Also the Sentients attacked cuz Orokin suck. @steady gate @frail nymph

[rain otter]

The Tenno did Exist before that but just like caged up in Lua and it wasn't why the Sentients attacked.

[zenith jacinth]

No, the tenno were being stored elsewhere, not lua.

[frail nymph]

That doesn't disagree with what I said...?

[frail nymph]

It wasn't why Sentients warred the Orokin, obviously. But it is why they risked sterilising themselves: there was no other way for them to beat the Warframes.

[rain otter]

No.

The warframes literally weren't made

Until after the War started.

[frail nymph]

I know

[rain otter]

They risked Sterlizing themselves

Cuz if the Orokin got to Tau they would like take over

And probably kill all the Sentients.

[frail nymph]

You're just telling me stuff I know lol

The Sentients were losing to the frames, then Ballas told them about Tenno, then Sentients crossed the gap for the final time to directly attack the Tenno.

[rain otter]

No?

They where already here.

Also they crossed the Gap to get here in the First place.

[frail nymph]

They wouldn't risk it

[rain otter]

The Sentients Attacked First.

[frail nymph]

In Tau, yes

[rain otter]

The Orokin weren't in Tau.

[frail nymph]

Warframes and Railjacks and Dax were sent to Tau to fight

[rain otter]

After the War Started.

[frail nymph]

In Tau

[rain otter]

No

There's literally No proof to show their was Any Real War I'm Tau other than a counter Attack.

[frail nymph]

Some not-very-important sentients probably came through, but there's no reason to believe the Sentients would risk losing their wombs before Ballas' betrayal

Hunhows plan was to cross the gap, giving up his womb because the last of his womb -Natah- would be enough to end it. Given that she was born for exactly that

[rain otter]

I am PRETTY SURE WE actually like know they crossed the gap First and Attacked the Orgin System.

[near rune]

The Sentients were already in the Origin System when the Tenno were weaponised. Hunhow, Erra, Natah and the 4 beasts came after, but there were already Sentients that had crossed the gap.

[frail nymph]

There's no direct info about that

[near rune]

Okay I just saw your other message and I think we're mostly agreeing.

[frail nymph]

That's the thing - I don't know any other important sentients and so I don't know if any such came through before.

And also because there's only one Praghasa

[near rune]

Yes, we know that Hunhow crossed the gap after the Tenno were deployed, but the Orokin were already losing the war when they turned to the Tenno. They were "desperate", according to Ballas and the Excalibur Codex entry. There were Sentients in the Origin System and the Orokin were at risk of extinction.

[frail nymph]

The Orokin were at the risk of losing control over Tau, that much is for sure.

And they had no high tech weapons to fight the Sentients, so they were desparate.

[near rune]

"Desperate" implies a much greater threat than just simply losing control of Tau, a system none of them had ever even been to.

[frail nymph]

Desperate implies there was no other way to fight, other than turning to Tenno

[near rune]

There's also Lephantis, who was created to fight the Sentients and yet can be found hanging around in the Origin System.

[frail nymph]

They don't already have to be in the Origin system. Knowing the fact that you can't win against your enemy is enough to be desperate

[frail nymph]

Well Lephantis didn't come under use either way now did it?

[near rune]

I'm not sure I understand.

[frail nymph]

Like say the Sentients didn't come in full force yet.

But all weapons of Orokin turned out to be useless in Tau.

They have no way to fight, therefore Desparate.

Therefore they develop infestation based methods, like Lephantis...

And eventually Warframes, and even Tenno.

Now Sentients might have come in major force into the Origin system sometime before all this... But it's not necessary for all the desperation and lore to exist.

[near rune]

I disagree. I don't think the Orokin would have been desperate unless the Sentients were in Sol, stomping the Orokin.

[frail nymph]

And either way, the biggest charge was inside of Praghasa, which was post betrayal.

[frail nymph]

Why not?

They know the Sentients would come and do that sooner or later and nothing could be done to stop then. How is that not desparate?

As far as Natah is concerned, she has described it as the Golden Wrath coming to them.

[near rune]

Desperation to me implies 1) existential risk and 2) a short time window.

If the Sentients are still in Tau, at least one of those is not true.

[frail nymph]

The Sentients were created out of Desperation too - Tau was desperately needed.

There doesn't have to be a time window, desperation is about lack of options

[near rune]

"Desperate" isn't used to describe that situation though. The Sentients were created out of Ballas' scheming. He doesn't really seem all that concerned in the Detron Crewman Synthesis entry.

[frail nymph]

Well it suits the situation still... What Tuvul says to Ballas in that court is basically desperation without using the word.

[frail nymph]

Ballas doesn't seem concerned because he's pretending to oppose it

[near rune]

The entire story is couched in Ballas' manipulation of Tuvul, though. Tuvul's perspective is presented to us as blinded.

[near rune]

At the end, when he's talking with Perintol.

[frail nymph]

And the manipulation wouldn't work if Tuvul wasn't actually desperate

[frail nymph]

Well why would you be desperate after getting what you want?

The dialogue is Second Dream didn't audibly sound like desperation either

[near rune]

And yet Ballas says, in Second Dream: "I know we are desperate, Executor…"

[frail nymph]

Exactly

He doesn't sound panicked, and is literally against the only solution they have to fight the sentients.

Why would he do that on the brink of death?

Desperate doesn't have to literally be about extinction in a short amount of time. It means lack of options

[near rune]

If you have time, then you aren't desperate, because you can still search for options.

[frail nymph]

So by that definition Ballas is not desperate while saying they are desperate

[frail nymph]

Because he's literally telling the other executor to search for other options

Yeah if you just go by the "have no way to solve a problem" definition of desperation, both the creation of sentients and the use of Tenno for Warframes was out of desperation

And so was Hunhow's plan, cause sentients had been losing due to not knowing about Tenno

[near rune]

I think, moving past the focus on "desperation" (which I started, I'll admit), we know that the Orokin turned to the Infestation and the Grineer to fight the Sentients while they were in the Origin System. That indicates significant fighting in the Origin System, before the weaponisation of the Tenno.

[frail nymph]

For that all you need is a small number of sentients to come through and hack all the big boi tech.

The Praghasa mission would still be the major one.

We know some sentients were there for sure, given that a Grineer killed one, I think before the war was fully fledged out.

As for which side the War started on, it's Natah's words versus whatever came before

As for me personally, the post-Margulis-pre-betryal part of Old War lasting, for several of Ballas' liftimes but, mostly in Tau feels more plausible than mostly in the Origin system

[digital sun]

whats the excaliber umbra quest called

[steady gate]

The Sacrifice

[digital sun]

thx

[scarlet basalt]

oh wait since duviri paradox will be about the drifter, there's a chance that we will meet Eidolon lotus ?
Like in TNW when she was "sent back to hell" in the void portal.
And then the drifter somehow brought her inside the new ship, they will explain how drifter did that ?

[distant tusk]

I don’t think so for the second question

But I am not very well versed in the lore

[thick jolt]

We dont have an idea of how long the quest is or how much it explains
So far we only have confirmation of the lotus' hand

[scarlet basalt]

and that drifter somehow get stabbed by the paracesis.
Maybe this will explain more what it mean to be a void demon ?

[zenith jacinth]

No, the drifter experiences getting stabbed by paracesis, they don't actually get stabbed

[main spire]

On archon mission defence, chipper haves a dialogue saying he will never use weapons again to his mother by promise, but on the defence mission players give him weapons and he use it, he broke his own promise

[scarlet basalt]

what is a promise if it remains unbroken ?

[main spire]

If it remains unbroken then players will not be able to give him weapons on the archon defence mission

[scarlet basalt]

i wonder if he can spam epitaph non charged shot

[scarlet basalt]

This is strange but.
Adding new incarnon to balance weapon must mean that future content may be tougher,harder and require more DPS check than before ?
Like : i understand that they want to make less used weapon be more used but it is very strange that it bring older weapon. Like there must be something that they want to do but can't manage to find a way with how gamebreaking builds are and stay.

[torpid lantern]

My guess is the Duviri plot will explain the Drifter's half of New War up until we first got to play as them

[winged egret]

not really. they just expand upon the pool of weapons considered "viable" for all content and thus prolong replayability.

[real niche]

We could level cap enemies long before this, so most definitely not

[autumn turret]

this is to bring up some previously very weak weapons, it doesnt mean they'll suddenly all be as strong as laetum

[real niche]

Argument invalid, the Lato in the Devstream had Devouring Attrition

[scarlet basalt]

i think it'll be weaker than laetum, but still extremely strong tbh.
Like the Lato that reward you with AOE explosion seems pretty cool and does a lot of damage i think ? On devstream they've shown that and it was very strong

[real niche]

It being "weaker than Laetum" doesn't really say much because of this.

Ooo actually -cc Rivens are gonna be stronger on Lato

[scarlet basalt]

nvm dps check still exist but saryn is godlike against that so this may mean nothing. (ESO/SO)

[silk umbra]

i wonder if lato prime is valid for the incarnon buff

[autumn turret]

iirc yes primes are valid too for those

[zenith jacinth]

They said that any variant would work

[thick jolt]

considering skana prime was shown to be available for the skana incarnon it should

[zenith jacinth]

There will probably be a lot of MK1 incarnons for the memes

[silk umbra]

good time to be jealous of lato prime then and maybe skana prime iirc they had really high riven dispo

[twilit geode]

As someone who has both Skana and Lato Primes, and unironically uses them cause I like them, seeing them get an Incarnon system was a HELL YES moment for me.
And I immediately told a friend about Braton Prime getting an Incarnon form too, cause it was basically his favorite rifle in the game, but he had to stop using it due to its effectiveness falling off. He too was thrilled.

[steady gate]

These incoming incarnon adaptors are great for older weapons

[dull spire]

I do like the idea of older weapons getting a refresher, without messing with the original form that is accessible to new players.

Braton has a special place in my heart

[wild wind]

Strun Incarnon

[loud kayak]

Gorgon Incarnon

Actually Stug Incarnon would be fire

[limpid parrot]

Twin Grakata

[agile jetty]

Funny

[limpid parrot]

Heavy spoiler warning

[distant tusk]

Wow

I can’t believe you spoiled that for me

[distant tusk]

I do realize that we already have options and more are on the way but we NEED more Dax armor, like I really want this helmet on my operator/drifter

Also that syandana

[molten oxide]

Dax syandana

[distant tusk]

I know but it’s not big

[robust summit]

I think it’s the same size, just looks small on our Warframes. Dax have relatively human proportions. Warframes have a more stylized human shape. So the two don’t quite match up. But that’s just me.

And we do need more Dax armor.

[distant tusk]

I ment more teshins syandana, here’s a comparison

[robust summit]

Oh!!! More of a mantle rather than the capes we normally get.

That would be hard to render or rig (whatever the right word for it is), but would be really cool!!!

[distant tusk]

Well I think they already have

[robust summit]

You think it’s already in the game and ready to be mounted onto Warframe rigs?

[distant tusk]

||In the teshin portion of tnw || spoilers for the new war

[robust summit]

Oh yeah!!!!!

Completely forgot about that.

[distant tusk]

I didn’t 😔

In case you didn’t realize I’m a bit obsessed with Dax

[robust summit]

Really? I had no idea (sarcasm)

[distant tusk]

But we need more Dax

[robust summit]

We do.

[distant tusk]

Also I have to take a quiz now

[robust summit]

See ya. I’ve gotta get back to work as well

Good luck!

[distant tusk]

Ty

[wicked iron]

Let's avoid these kinds of topics, please. 😛

[robust summit]

Gotcha.

Sorry.

[zenith jacinth]

Also on hydroid's deluxe I think

[fleet veldt]

Lato Vandal and Prisma Skana at least exist, but given their Primes exist...
Would like it if there were Umbra counterparts of them to instantiate for inability to acquire their Primes unless Lato/Prisma ones already took the space.

[echo beacon]

Anybody missing operator mode hud? No hp bar, no abilities, nothing?

[zenith jacinth]

A skiajati incarnon would be pretty cool...

[robust summit]

That would be amazing!!!

[velvet wing]

Does anyone else wish there was a way for hub.warframestat to tell them which syndicate was on the Zariman?

[autumn turret]

you mean which faction?

[velvet wing]

Yeah that

[distant tusk]

Doesn’t the female bishamo armor have the Orvius on thier back?

[autumn turret]

yea

[distant tusk]

I wish that was an option for the male part

[autumn turret]

well you'll be able to wear it soon

[hexed cipher]

Can somebody catch me up with all the new lore we got after the new war
After new war not from new war

I know the new war lore

Yes and i have no idea whats happening

[robust summit]

Kahl is back and ruining narmer’s day, Erra’s corpse is being dragged around by a fourth archon, and the zariman is important again.

That too.

[hexed cipher]

Oh i remember kahl switched sides like italy after we defeated narmer or smth

He took of the evil cap

Whos rominus thrax

[robust summit]

Duviri dude.

[distant tusk]

Dominus

[hexed cipher]

Doesnt ring a bell

[distant tusk]

I don’t think it should

[hexed cipher]

Did i met him already

[robust summit]

He’ll be important later. Don’t worry about it.

[distant tusk]

Casually

[robust summit]

Not yet. He’s not in game until the next update.

Don’t worry about him.

[hexed cipher]

Is erra corpse the 4th archon now or is it draged by 4th archon

[robust summit]

He’s the new archon.

But it’s not exactly Erra in control.

[hexed cipher]

Damn lets go he didnt survive

[near rune]

Pazuul is the new leader of Narmer. Pazuul is an Archon formed from a ram's head on Erra's body. He appears to have Erra's consciousness within him, but also the Ram's.

[robust summit]

Yeah. It’s weird.

[hexed cipher]

Lets go erra isnt evil i was right

He didnt switch sides again

[distant tusk]

I hate erra

[robust summit]

Understandable.

[hexed cipher]

I hated people that said he survived and was gonna take over after we kill the angel dude

[distant tusk]

||Killed uncle teshin || the new war spoilers

[hexed cipher]

Ballas

Bro ballas music in fortuna hit hard

[robust summit]

It does. But in a sad way.

[hexed cipher]

Better than original

[distant tusk]

Og we all lift together is better

[robust summit]

That’s a hot take.

[hexed cipher]

Kinda made me think if ballas is really a monster

[robust summit]

I agree toast.

[robust summit]

And that’s an even hotter take.

[hexed cipher]

If there was a choice too join him i would beacuse of that music

Like damn it hit so hard

[robust summit]

It is good, but Ballas is evil and horrible.

Nothing can change my mind about that.

[distant tusk]

He kissed mom 😡

[hexed cipher]

Shame i couldnt kill ballas and take his place

That would be a win win situation

[distant tusk]

🤨

[robust summit]

That’s one of the reasons. He also made umbra suffer and kinda sorta betrayed the orokin.

[distant tusk]

Oh yeah

[robust summit]

No loss on that last front, they were also evil.

[distant tusk]

I should’ve remembered that I just replayed that quest

[hexed cipher]

Ballas after you collect the archon shards
Is it for me

I have no understanding of orokin chess

[robust summit]

Ballas at the end of the new war lost marbles I didn’t know he even had.

It’s Go but weirder.

Fun tho.

[hexed cipher]

I was so underleveled whan fighting umbra

I was mr 7 or smth

[robust summit]

Same.

[distant tusk]

We need more of the Dax that is umbra

[hexed cipher]

Maybe 8 or 9

[robust summit]

We just need more umbra period.

[distant tusk]

Umbra that was the Dax

[hexed cipher]

We need more endo

[distant tusk]

And Dax for that matter

[hexed cipher]

What we really need is more railjack ubdates

Anyways new war mech part was so meh

Had too grind for it for like 2 days just too use it for 20minutes

[distant tusk]

Plat

I bought my mech with plat

[robust summit]

Oof.

[hexed cipher]

Damn that's grind issue

[robust summit]

Took me like 3 weeks.

[distant tusk]

I was underpowered

And desperate

[hexed cipher]

I just kinda turned on warframe 1 day and was like: New war gonna be out in 4 months, lets get the suit
It was suprisingly easy compared too what people said

I have no idea how it could take a person 2 weeks

[distant tusk]

An outside life?

No that’s impossible

No Warframe player has that

[hexed cipher]

I mean i had a week free

Not my fault others didnt

Can you explain

[robust summit]

I spend like an hour a day on it. I have a life and a job.

[hexed cipher]

I dont remember going too fortuna

[autumn turret]

they mean getting the mech and stuff im pretty sure

[hexed cipher]

Too get the mecha suit

Like i seriously have no idea what you talking about

I only went there too mine

Im serious what the hell you talking aboyt

[frail nymph]

Archon = Sentient head + dead body.
Boreal = Owl + Loki
Pazuul = Ram + Erra

Now since Erra is a sentient, they don't simply "die" even after "dying," so Erra is alive in his own way inside Pazuul.

[frail nymph]

Erra wasn't really the one who switched sides... He has always been on the Sentient side.

Ballas was the one who switched, suddenly deciding to kill all sentients by going to Tau alone

[frail nymph]

Ruberd was talking about the fortuna section of New War quest, after mistaking what you meant by having a week free.

But yeah even to farm a Necramech you need Fortuna resources.

[silent night]

The zariman looks like someone slotted an arcane into the world map

I wonder what kind of stats it got

[ember oxide]

i always thought it looked like the top of a voidkey

[dull spire]

Reminds me of a sunfish

They like their spherical shapes for sure.

[frail nymph]

New interview with Reb is out btw...

Search:-

10-years-of-warframe-the-ups-the-downs-and-what-to-expect-in-the-next-5-years-of-mapped-out-content

[wicked iron]

https://www.vg247.com/10-years-of-warframe-the-ups-the-downs-and-what-to-expect-in-the-next-5-years-of-mapped-out-content

I'll share it, since it's an okay link. XD

[distant tusk]

Interesting

[torpid lantern]

Yay!!!

[frail nymph]

Sooo Dommie is a child and not just a childish adult

Wonder what he thinks about Wally

[distant tusk]

Definitely childhood friends

[chrome valley]

You know who else also was a child and had emotions? Rell

[steady gate]

You know who else was a child with emotions? Roky.

[signal horizon]

Literally every child has emotions 💀

[silent night]

Rell is my favourite child with emotions

[jagged sable]

this convo was about to make me wonder if Thrax was a counterpart of Rell but speech patterns between the 2 are far too different.
Rell's is more awkward and shy while Thrax is more, to put it mildly, bratty. Thrax also has an accent.

[zenith jacinth]

Rell had difficulty expressing his emotions though, while dominus... definitely doesn't.

[robust summit]

Yeah…

[dull spire]

The rell theory made sense to me bc our rell may have an entirely different personality than the one in duviri- assuming he is the counterpart of Thrax

Outcast vs king
Genius vs ignorant
Selfless vs selfish
'What are these feelings' vs 'My feelings make the world turn'

[autumn turret]

could see it

[jagged sable]

Assuming the void is anything like the Metaverse from Persona 5 to the extent that they're both worlds that are affected by the mind alone.

Maybe the only reason Thrax has such control there is because the Drifter thinks someone else has control and is trying to stop him from leaving.
So long as you think someone else has control over Duviri and is trying to stop you from leaving, that's what will happen. Which will reaffirm to you that someone else has control over Duviri and send more goons to try and kill you.

[frail nymph]

We don't know that, though.

For wall we know, the mask is so that he can avoid thinking about emotions etc.

[zenith jacinth]

We do know that dominus doesn't have good control over his emotions, and that he expresses them very strongly

[silent night]

The connections to the cards Rell used makes that plausible if he does it with a mask. Though I don't want to say the connection is deeper than that before we know more

[wild wind]

As we inch towards the 10th anniversary of Warframe, I wanted to ask creative director Rebecca Ford if she could sneak me a Wolf Sledge Motor.
How to tell someone actually plays Warframe 101.

[dry magnet]

From 10th anniversary I really hoping to see dex outfit for our Drifter because of the duviri and what not,in a way it make sense because of the upcoming Duviri.,,

[near rune]

I guess it sorta makes sense if you're picking Drifter to start the game, but for new players who don't… they'll be pretty confused by it.

[torpid lantern]

I want to see more Operator content. It's getting to a point where they're being booted from their own game.
Drifter has exclusive content just for them. Operator never had that. And now the Drifter can replace the Operator in all areas of gameplay AND the new quests.

Thing is, Drifter isn't the main character or even a Tenno by definition. They're a different character entirely. I'm starting to get pretty upset they just slid in here and got more content than the Operator has when they're brand new

Don't even get me started on the armor and Visage ink. Knowing eventually they'll also have all the Op clothes available to them... who's even going to bother with Operator?

This looks like an oncoming train wreck for poor Operator

[kindred briar]

I fully expect some Op only content coming down the line post Duviri, I couldn't tell you what though

[north wharf]

I still use the Operator exclusively because I don't like the amp always looking like Sirocco on the Drifter

also the Drifter faces are somehow worse

Which I'll be covering with a Dax helmet for Duviri

[torpid lantern]

I love my Operator. I don't like the Drifter's personality or mindset. I don't wanna trade her for someone like that

[north wharf]

Alright exclusively was a lie, also all of the clothes I use on my Operator haven't been converted over yet. But I still like the Operator

[autumn turret]

i thought the same thing when i saw that

[jagged sable]

Yeah, as someone who goes Drifter over Operator, yeah. I can see Operator being a little replaced in terms of content. I can also see maybe there being Operator only content as well as Drifter only content for things like vent-kid stuff.
So far the only content where the only thing the Operator has that's theirs is amp appearance. Because every Amp the Drifter uses has the Sirocco appearance.

[north wharf]

Which, for the Klamora prism like I tend to use, just looks silly

[torpid lantern]

It also doesn't help that most people wanted to be older. I just think DE introducing a new older character to replace them is almost cruel lorewise. They've been through hell and multiple wars. One I'd daresay is worse than Drifter's.
They finally started getting a chance to grow and find their own path outside of what Ballas and Lotus had been pushing on them, then suddenly Drifter shows up and their presence becomes optional all together.
It's just not right.

That and Drifter is essentially stealing their reality every time they show up. They don't belong there. They have their own reality to return to. It's not the Operators fault or responsibility to shoulder them forever.

[wicked iron]

Well, the Drifter doesn't really have a reality to return to. They're just stuck in the Void.

They wouldn't even know how to get back to their own, I think.

I do wonder if our strengthened Void powers mean our Operator doesn't age anymore, too, in honesty... We don't know the full implications of our current level of power.

[torpid lantern]

That's the point I think I'm settling on. The Operator should help them find a way back, not let them hijack a new world. Even if the Drifter doesnt know how to return, it still exists and it's still their own world. I hope that's the focus of future content.
The current set up is like having a random long distance cousin with bad manners show up at your doorstep amd start trying to steal your life.

[graceful zodiac]

I mean, barely? We've literally had 6 years of the game focusing on Operator stuff, expanding a brand new system with multiple expansions and it getting completely redone, as well as multiple boss fights and enemies requiring you to use the Operator

Drifter getting an update to explain their story is on no level removing the operator

Drifter just gets the advantage of piggybacking off the years of work already put into making the operator work

[silent night]

I want to see you having to go through the drifter part of the new war before you can play the main game

[autumn turret]

thats not what duviri is like tho?

[silent night]

No but it'd be funny, though I do wonder how tf you get to the main game from duviri

[jagged sable]

I don't think the Drifter really has a world of their own.
I think the timeline that Warframe is in is the one and only timeline. And the Void is where individual timelines start splitting apart and no matter what choice you make, the alternate choices still happen. Which is merely a product of the void splitting each individual person's timeline.
I think it's might be that the when the Tenno took Wally's deal, their own individual timeline split from Operator and Drifter. Since the Drifter didn't have the void magic yet.
So I guess technically speaking, the main timeline is just as much the Drifter's home as it is the Operator.
I can also see maybe the Drifter talking with the Operator in Duviri. Should be possible since the Lotus' hand fell after Ballas chopped it off. Though the Operator didn't seem to remember the Drifter in TNW.

[north wharf]

Yeah, their own reality is being trapped in the Void

[silent night]

Isn't the heart in Deimos what makes the void able to enter the world while holding the world in check for time to not go all eternalism on us? And we get to do that stuff since we just have that strong of a connection to the void so we can go in, do time stuff, go out, and that's why the drifter and operator can't be in the same place

[north wharf]

Also, I think they could still interact with the Operator even though the Operator didn't recognize them on the Zariman. I got the feeling that scene was from after the Drifter managed to escape from Duviri, but we're going to be playing through it after seeing that. And the Void is weird with time stuff so... It could work I think

[graceful zodiac]

All the Heart does it keep a Void connection open and stable. Eternalism is separate and had nothing to do anything else like that

[north wharf]

How the two interacting would work with the alternate start? NO idea

[graceful zodiac]

It wouldn't really matter

[silent night]

Why?

[graceful zodiac]

Because the order of events for the meeting doesn't matter

[uneven sage]

Is the heart even necessary anymore now that Zariman is in the smack middle of an open hole to the void?

[graceful zodiac]

Yes.

[torpid lantern]

It's as different as standing on a windy hill or building a windmill

[uneven sage]

He literally just said that "all the heart does is keep a Void connection open and stable."
Nothing about dragging energy out from the void.

[torpid lantern]

Atsia left out some bits

[torpid lantern]

Removing them by becoming interchangeable in both gameplay and quests as well as having a Drifter exclusive location the Operator can't be used in.
Consequently the Drifter can be used everywhere the Operator can, and then extra places. The quests are also getting reworked to incorporate the Drifter as the starting point.

Seems pretty invasive for something not replacing the Operator

[graceful zodiac]

That's what the keep it stable part would be

[uneven sage]

Atsia said that? The person I was actually asking, cause I can't see it.

[surreal smelt]

duviri related?

[autumn turret]

no

this is older than dirt

[zenith jacinth]

What is that? Kuria?

[autumn turret]

im pretty sure its older than bullet jumping and yes it is

[velvet wing]

It’s part of the kuria poem about the grineer queens

[uneven sage]

If the heart indeed does pump void energy and its not just a metaphor, then what energy from our place is it pumping into the void in response with the "the here" is part.

[zenith jacinth]

Been a while since I found one

[surreal smelt]

right

[graceful zodiac]

It's not putting anything back. It's just for keeping Void energy working

[uneven sage]

That's moot in the void, might aswell pump vaccum into the void.

[wicked iron]

The early quests are being re-worked?

[autumn turret]

yea i didnt really hear that

[torpid lantern]

They're reworking how everything will connect

[autumn turret]

i have doubts it'll be that major

[torpid lantern]

I have no idea what extent this will affect the quests but if players start with Drifter, something will have to be in place

[uneven sage]

So then it's also not putting anything in, it's just keeping a door open and that's it.
If it's pumping void into the here, then it also stands to reason its pumping the here into the void.

[torpid lantern]

How would Second Dream even work if you already have an Operator? Or quest order for that matter

[velvet wing]

I did not think of this

[torpid lantern]

Idk they have to rework some stuff with this choice

[graceful zodiac]

It likely doesn't change, you just go back onto the regular track when done with Duviri

[real niche]

You just won't. You can switch between Duviri and reg. Warframe at will.

There's no reason for Duviri to reward you with Drifter pre-Second Dream in Warframe Classic since he doesn't have Void powers in Duviri anyway.

[graceful zodiac]

At best, if they keep Duviri open for new players after they do the quest. Operator would inherit your Drifter appearance

[torpid lantern]

They did say that they want new players to be able to play with friends in Duviri so the warframe/Drifter function will be there for sure

[north wharf]

The extent of Operator/Drifter interaction could be vague references to "the other side" (and summoning warframes into the Void) to let you get back to Vor's Prize after Duviri

[graceful zodiac]

Not really? The Heart is just a Dam. Keeps the flow reasonable and useful as a power source

[real niche]

You'll have Warframes yeah, but to require Operator mechanics before their introduction would be whack.

[wicked iron]

Unless you don't get the Drifter outside of Duviri until after you do The New War.

It could just give you the option for Duviri stuff if you choose to start it, but not use them outside of there until you get up in quests.

[graceful zodiac]

That's the most likely case, yes

[autumn turret]

yea until the new war drifter is only accessible in duviri i would imagine

[torpid lantern]

That's possible! But they'll have to put a good canon explanation into the game. There's at least 15 hours of ganeplay before you can even unlock The Second Dream

[graceful zodiac]

Starting with Paradox instead of Vor's Prize likely doesn't affect a single thing beyond having an extra game mode

[autumn turret]

he doesnt escape until the new war

[real niche]

What explanation do they need, Drifter is in an entirely different place until TNW

[torpid lantern]

I know because I just did all this and have 23 hours on my game right now. Was strictly playing to get through War Within

[graceful zodiac]

Thus why at best Operator would inherit Drifter appearance

[real niche]

Operator and Drifter stories are running parallel up to that quest.

[graceful zodiac]

But otherwise, it shouldn't affect anything else. Maybe an early hint at press 5 for Tranference

[torpid lantern]

Well think of it this way. You're brand new. Know nothing about the game. Unless the Duviri quest specifically references the Operator, which I doubt, a new player won't understand why they can run around as an adult and control warframes in Duviri but in the other quests, like Vor's prize, their player character acts like a different person and can't be used until 20 hours in when they get Op

[graceful zodiac]

And you thus have to play through the story to get the full explanation

[torpid lantern]

Well yeah. But knowing most people, they'll quit

[real niche]

We don't care about "most people", they'd quit regardless

Duviri or no there's always a majority that just don't play through the game.

[graceful zodiac]

People quitting would have less to do with Duviri difference and more with just not liking the gameplay, same as now

[real niche]

And on the flip side, we as people who are playing the game now are asking questions pertaining to what the heck Drifter was doing rather than just thinking that Drifter was just always a thing that existed, which is what Reb was alluding to as either the Duviri Paradox beginning or ending depending on how you've played through the quests.

[torpid lantern]

Not from a lore perspective, totally! but I'm analyzing this from gameplay for once. You start out as a human, don't have mods or any of the other complex things to worry about. You get decrees and to run around on horses and stuff. But the rest of the game, you're dying left and right without mods. Without anything you're used to after playing Duviri. It's going to turn a lot of people away.

Warframe was NOT fun restarting when I just did it on pc. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

[near rune]

Actually, the Kuria are exactly as old as Bullet Jumping. Both were added in Update 17
(Kuria were actually present for a while before this, but they looked different, were not scannable, and had no lore)

[autumn turret]

interesting

[real niche]

They did mention there would be rewards for Warframe Classic as you go through Duviri.
Also the level scaling is much different anyway, you're not facing against enemies that expect you to have the loaner mods that Duviri gives you.

[autumn turret]

we know of 2 rewards at least

[real niche]

"A Warframe" which is obvious but what was the other

[autumn turret]

the drifter's weapons
incarnon adapters

[real niche]

Oh right Incarnon Genesis

[north wharf]

The warframes are separate characters who warp into Duviri to help the Drifter, of course or at least that's what people without context could assume is happening

[autumn turret]

we havent actually seen "a warframe" yet

[real niche]

I heard them talking about "A Warframe" at least.

[torpid lantern]

I get you, I thought it was easy too and that's why I restarted. Until you realize you don't even get basic mods like vitality or anything else to drop for ages and you're squishy and playing alone cuz no one runs the starchart.

[autumn turret]

but it may be as connected as styanax

[real niche]

So not

[torpid lantern]

I know, I'm focusing more on gameplay with this one. People quiting when they realize the rest of Warframe is nothing like Duviri.

Lorewise i think this option is awesome! It really is a great way to play with the Void and eternalism. But gameplay wise I feel it's going to backfire

[real niche]

Nothing like Warframe is stretching it, I feel.

[uneven sage]

With them saying "It pumps the arteries of 'the here' and the Void.".
So if it's pumping void energy into the here it should also be pumping something from the here into the void.
Or its just something to keep a stable connection to the void and the here, kinda making it obsolete now that the Zariman is doing basically just that aswell.

[graceful zodiac]

The Zariman isn't doing that at all. It's keeping a destructive flood back and nothing else

[near rune]

I think Atsia's metaphor of "dam" was accurate. A dam pumps (or allows flow), but only in one direction, and controls that flow. The Zariman, plugging a hole, does not offer the same kind of fine control that a dam does, and we aren't even sure it's holding back the same kind of energy. Few know the metaphysics of the Void in detail – especially us.

[uneven sage]

The Zariman is definitely a connection between the void and the here, since you can see it both from Duviri and in the regular game.

[graceful zodiac]

The Heart is a Dam while the Zariman is a seawall

[real niche]

Even then, DE is intending people to play through both of them anyway since in that most recent interview they've explained that they're trying to make adjacent content to the regular stuff in order to keep players engaged without either alienating new players or having the game get stale. It's not like they want you playing only Duviri to completion then hopping into Classic.

[graceful zodiac]

That's not a connection in the way of the heart, that's just a raw tear into the Void

[uneven sage]

It's possible but them saying it's pumping the arteries of both the void and the here suggest something else.
And that it's rather a tunnel with them saying it's keeping up the walls to the other side.

[uneven sage]

If it was not a connection then we should never have heard the song calling us towards the Zariman.
It's plugging a big hole, but it's also establishing a connection.

[near rune]

My theory, based on what we can see of the Heart and how it's described in the quest, is that the large trapezoidal door (possibly what Mother calls the Wall of Lohk) in the Heart's chamber is what allows Void energy to flow into the physical realm. The Heart keeps the door open. The door is actually the important part, but the Heart is the mechanism that is required to remain operational in order for all Void-powered systems to function.

When the Necramech damages the Heart, the portal can be seen to close.

[graceful zodiac]

No, that's not how it works. It's not making a connection to the Void like that

[distant tusk]

As a person who’s played dark souls, death does not deter me

[uneven sage]

Now that I can get behind, well put explanation of it.

[graceful zodiac]

The song is also entirely unrelated to the Void tear

[zenith jacinth]

Laughs in dead cells

[uneven sage]

Fine, show me the source going in depth on the difference between them.

[graceful zodiac]

Their literal explanation of what the Zariman is doing. It's not keeping any connection open, it's just holding back a flood

[near rune]

Yeah, the song is due to the Void corruption on the ship, either of the Reliquary Drive or the souls on board. It's not from the Void itself. Once you deal with the stuff on board, the song stops, but the Void is still out there.

Ultimately we get very little text on how the Heart functions, but the connection it enables is clearly complex and finely controlled. A great tear in the fabric of reality, even if it allowed Void energy to enter the physical realm in the same way the Heart does, is obviously inferior to a connection that can be modulated. So I don't think the Heart is going to be declared obsolete any time soon. Not to mention we specifically don't want Void energy spilling past the Zariman.

[uneven sage]

Claiming nothing of the void comes out through the Zariman considering how rampant the void is surging in it seems plain wrong.
The song is due to void corruption as you say, and the song is going into the here so void energy is entering the here from the ship making it a connection to the void.

[graceful zodiac]

The song is due to how long the Zariman has been sitting on the Void, not due to void energy flooding

[uneven sage]

The ship is also literally warped by the void and the Void is raging inside it despite parts of it being out in the here, it's not perfectly containing the void energy.

[near rune]

I think Void energy certainly can spill out around the Zariman, through the tear in reality. I don't think the Zariman itself is the source of any Void emanations into real-space.

[graceful zodiac]

It's very much not

[uneven sage]

So the song is void energy, but it's not void energy. Sounds plausible.

[graceful zodiac]

The song isn't void energy really to begin with

[near rune]

The Zariman is ultimately just a ship. It's full of Void corruption, but in the end it's a physical object as far as we know, and ultimately from the Origin System originally. It shouldn't have any intrinsic Void properties on its own (although the Reliquary Drive might).

[uneven sage]

Yeah I don't think the Zariman is creating the void energy, but I believe with half of it being in the void and half in the here it does create a tunnel and connection to the void.

[near rune]

Perhaps, but Yonta says that the Zariman is "plugging" a hole, not that the Zariman is the hole.
"Something I wasn't sure existed has burst through the Albrecht Membrane, and right now the Zariman is plugging that hole. Pop her out, and we'd see Void Storms from here to Mercury."
This also implies that the Zariman could be removed from the hole, if we so desired, which again doesn't align with the idea that the Zariman is a tunnel.

[graceful zodiac]

It's not. Everything happening on the Zariman has nothing to do with it sitting in a void Hole

Beyond the Thrax, of course

[autumn turret]

well extended void exposure is the reason for the angels too

[uneven sage]

Right, it's only named the "Void song" the by pure accident.

[near rune]

Where are you getting the name "Void song"? It's not called that in the quest.
Ctrl+F the transcript, it's just called "the song".

[uneven sage]

Yeah, the ship is plugging the hole in reality between the here and the Void.
But it don't seem to be perfect, otherwise no void stuff should happen on the part that is in the here.

[near rune]

The ship is full of Void corruption. That black stuff growing all over the place. It's also inhabited by Void manifestations – the Holdfasts, Angels, Thrax, etc. Void stuff can happen on board because there are Void entities on board doing the stuff. But the ship itself is not the source of that Void stuff. It's just that the Void is at work on board.

Also, that stuff was on the Zariman before it moved to its current position in the "hole". We saw it all on board during The New War.

[uneven sage]

It's from the wiki I find it written, and what I've seen others here calling it.

[graceful zodiac]

Void Stuff would still happen, the ship is still sitting at a choke point of energy and holding it back

[uneven sage]

Exactly the ship itself isn't the source, yet void floods, cascades still are happen ING meaning void energy is still entering into the ship that's on the here side.

[graceful zodiac]

Yes, that would happen regardless

[uneven sage]

Making it so void energy gets into the side that's in the here, literally meaning void energy is going from the void into the here.

[near rune]

It might not be Void energy entering the ship, it might be latent Void energy that entered a long time ago, during the Zariman incident. Or it could be Void energy that entered via the Heart like all other Void energy. I mean at this point we could speculate endlessly. I don't think we can say for certain what kinds of Void energy are necessarily present or how they work.

[graceful zodiac]

Void Energy is only flooding the ship, that's the difference. The energy can affect the ship because it's sitting at the choke point. It doesn't affect anything else because of the ship being there as well

[robust summit]

It’s a lid on a leaking bottle. The Zeriman is plugging the hole, but stuff still gets through.

[near rune]

Yonta also says that Void Floods are due to Angels tearing new ruptures in the Albrecht Membrane. So again, not energy coming in through the ship, but through the Membrane, because of the things on board the ship.

[uneven sage]

And the ship is hollow, things can move in and through it.

[graceful zodiac]

And the Void energy doesn't get past it to affect anything else

[uneven sage]

It's stopping massive void storms from breaking out, don't mean it perfectly plug all void energy.
Not even the heart seems to handle it perfectly considering void fissures for sure seems to be void energy running rampart.

[graceful zodiac]

fissures and Storm are from the Void side of things, nothing to do with the heart

[uneven sage]

Well it comes through the ruptured membrane, into the ship and what's then stopping the energy from going out?
The ship as you said is stopping void storms from running rampart through the hole, don't mean it perfectly plugs all void energy.

[uneven sage]

And what's keeping the connection to the void open, the heart.
Without it they said the connection would be lost, so how is rampart void energy not connected to the heart?!?

[graceful zodiac]

Because they don't happen because of an open connection to the Void. Fissures and Storms will happen with or without the Heart

[uneven sage]

Just the fact the song is getting out from the ship literally means energy is escaping it.

[graceful zodiac]

It's not, because the song isn't energy

[uneven sage]

Does not add up, void storms and void fissures are always happening, if it's not connected to the heart then there is no reason we should have lost our connection to the void when the heart was attacked, cause there is already connections all around in the system constantly opened.

[graceful zodiac]

We didn't. Operators still had full use of powers when the heart went down

[uneven sage]

Fine tell me what it's.
Cause I'm pretty sure everything is energy in one form or another.

So this is suddenly false then? "The Solar Rails. The Tenno, we all depend on the Heart to keep the wall open to the other side. If the Heart stops, everything goes with it."

[graceful zodiac]

And that's the literal point of the Heart. An Open tear is not a usable connection to the Void, is just a tear leaking destructive energy

[graceful zodiac]

The Song is a side effect of the long term Void Exposure the ship has had. It has nothing to do with leaking Void energy

[uneven sage]

So the song is energy, it's void made, and it's reaching outside the ship.
But in no way is it void energy that's escaping the ship.
That's just contradicting itself.
Just show me your source that defines the song and everything about it that makes you so certain what you're saying is facts and not personal speculations from you.

Cause I have no issue saying the things I've said are mere speculations.

[frail nymph]

Given that it travels through space, it's either energy in the form of electromagnetism or the Void

But "Void Energy" in this context would mean a completely different thing from what it has meant ingame

[frail nymph]

Attacking the heart created void surges, which interfered with transference. It wasn't a lack of power.

That's why getting away from it was enough to make your frame work again. During that part of the quest, you are using transference to control the frame and Father is rerouting your impulse signals to the mech using the normal mech control tech.

The convo was way too long for me to chime too much but yeah

[frail nymph]

The Entrati just don't know about the powers of post War Within Tenno. And also that dialogue is meant to be ambiguous to apply to all stages of Tenno.

The gates unlocked in War Within have been likely locked since before even transference existed.

Well that quote's specifically referring to the transference that connects Warframe to Operator. There's nothing else that depends so much on Void

Yeah but that's a Daughter quote, and in a completely different context

It's not like Tenno hasn't been used in all kinds of ways before Deimos.

[uneven sage]

Look at the different void powers the operator can use, and the different effects void energy has when it comes into contact with mental thoughts.
There's no one clear way void energy manifests, so saying the song is non void without any definitive source seems very wrong.
I don't mind when people say they don't believe it's, cause speculations I totally get, it's when people try to state it as definitive facts without source behind it I oppose.

I can understand Grineer and corpus beliving that, but the daughter knows the truth behind them so her saying Tenno should definitively refer to the operator.

[uneven sage]

Again possible she's unaware of those powers, but the Entrati were leading within void research and the Tenno were considered dangerous partly due to the void powers they exhibited so she should have been aware of most of it at least.

Are you just looping, repeating yourself, wasn't Androids answer to it satisfactory or do you plan to actually tell what it's your referring to specifically?

You're gonna have to post that entire quote cause I just went through daughters quotes and could not find it.
Might be cause I'm the phone which makes it easier to miss.

[near rune]

That line is clearly referencing warframes. Warframes and Tenno are synonymous to most people.

Yes, the Entrati know they're not synonymous, but for most intents and purposes they still are. Daughter looks at a warframe and says "Oh, a Tenno."

[uneven sage]

Understandable "mistake", just impressive you remembered that much.
From context I'd assume when she says "you" with "fascinating specimen" the you she's referring to the warframe not expecting an answer.
And when she's asking if we're "a Tenno" she's talking to the person controlling the Warframe.
That's my best guess.
I can not understand why an Entrati would not know about Tennos and Warframes.

[near rune]

They clearly do understand, given that Father knows how to redirect your Transference stream later in the quest. Again, it's just not worth making the distinction most of the time. No one controls warframes other than Tenno (with the notable exceptions of Mutalist Mesa and Chroma), so when you see a warframe, you know it's a Tenno.

[uneven sage]

Kindle like how here "He's an antique, aren't you? " she's talking to a fish.
A bit eccentric when it comes to those things.

[frail nymph]

She would not, because Tenno have never had those powers until War Within

And pre TWW Tenno would obviously need the transference chair to work, which would need the heart

[uneven sage]

What exact powers are you referring to?
Cause Tennos shows some powers from the start, described as dangerous void manifestations, part why Orokin we're scared of them.
And if the look back with Erra when Lotus attacked him together with Tennos during old war are at least partly correct.
They had those powers all along, but didn't remember it after they woke up from second dream, that's the whole thing the 5 different schools were built around, to harness their void powers and how Teshin could guide them through using their void powers.
I'm heading to bed so might be late answering to your next message.

[frail nymph]

Tenno have never before had the power to use transference freely and teleport themselves and their Warframes over massive ranges like across the entire solar system

So the Entrati would naturally conclude that since the Tenno depend on the transference chairs, they also depend on the heart - Without it they would, at best, be like the freshly awoken Operator from the Second Dream. (just not so physically weak that they can't even walk but that's about it.)

[frail nymph]

Well now that the Zariman is here, that's for sure...

But before it came, I think if the Wall of Lohk closed permanently, the Void would no longer be connected to the Origin system... Not even the not-so-deep part where the towers are. It would be like how it was before the Void was discovered.

Also I wonder how Ordis casually flew the landing craft into the void to pick you up...

[graceful zodiac]

Maybe, if Wally also wasn't aware of the system now. I doubt closing the door is a done deal anymore. And Ordis had a location to go to, it's part of why we had to break the Pendula in Second Dream

[frail nymph]

The pendula were to take the moon out of the void, we had to disable the masking system for Ordis to lock on

[uneven sage]

I guess that depends on whats canon in this case, do we reach Deimos before doing second dream quest.
I have no clue as Deimos was introduced as content after I'd already done those quests.

[uneven sage]

Yeah but if we had a canon time line for when the quests would have been done and events happen would Deimos been before or after second dream.
If Deimos happens before I think the Entrati would be aware of the Tennos powers as they get unlocked as they'd be allies and the Entrati knows a lot about the void so they'd be consulted on the powers.
At least I think they would have been.

[flat tangle]

Eternalism baby

Before TSD and After TSD are both canon

[cyan crest]

The only time I will approve of the externalism meme

[scarlet basalt]

Now that warframe/DE has multiple things to work on :
-Duviri
-Pazuul
-Kuva sisters
-Arlo
-Third orb
-Parvos granum
and much more...
Do you think that it's better the fact that it's more tame about future content in contrast with tennocon 2019 ? Like we didn't get the big hype from tennocon 2019 but now they're showing ideas for future content that will surely come in the future.
We've seen for example : A re appearance of the wolf of saturn six in kahl's mission, connecting him and making him a foe that will always be there (even tho i would love to see more of him in normal gameplay, like a foe that will always track you in naarmer mission)

DE has done a very big contrast on how they are hinting at futures content now that they've done a lot of things that seems unfinished or left in a cliffhanger. It seems rather normal for a game like that. Like we've seen some interesting concept that could feel very threatening ,like arlo and their "cult" that he can do, Naarmer giving pretty much hell on the solar system, the zariman with unknown foe that come directly from the void (well it's just Dominus thrax's warrior but it still feel very interesting),parvos granum who seems to be doing schemes (in the zariman for example) ?, Kuva sister is trying to retrieve something in voruna's mission
It kinda feels good that the enemies seems to evolve while the player is discovering things about everything's happening.
Honestly a lot of antagonists are still pretty much the "funny antagonist"

[flint totem]

Umbra enjoying the cold air.

Does this belong in spoilers or no?

Since drifter

[steady gate]

Yeah probably

[flint totem]

Also my friend managed to figure out lotus was a sentient before even starting Natah

"I think Lotus is a robot, she sounds and looks like one."
-my friend while we were grinding argon crystals

[graceful zodiac]

"Robot" isn't really the most robust of guesses

[wooden kernel]

Rip teshin, our space grandpa is up in sky now. I hope he can come back because no one really ever stays dead. Also anyone thought lotus was gonna be a boss during the new war mission?

[supple dagger]

Have you not seen the Duviri Paradox stuff?

[wooden kernel]

Naw wanna go into blind. The only things I know is space horse, and new awesome fishing system.

[supple dagger]

Ah fair

[torpid lantern]

Definitely the wrong channel if you wanna avoid Duviri Spoilers. That's almost exclusively what we talk about in here

[autumn turret]

its basically what this channels is for

until april

[wooden kernel]

Yeah I don't come here offend but I'm pretty sure In regular lore chat I can't mention that teshin dies.

[torpid lantern]

You can! Spoiler chat is for unreleased content. If it happened in game already in a quest, you can discuss it in #lore-discussion

[wooden kernel]

Good too know

[balmy badger]

A friend of mine already came to that conclusion pretty early in the game as well lol.

Of course, I didn't tell him he was correct with the assumption, I'll let him find out.

[steady gate]

Do you think Duviri will come with a new mining mini game?

[zenith jacinth]

Sounds like a robot
She doesn't sound like that outside of transmissions iirc
Looks like a robot
Corpus and grineer:

[dull spire]

As in something to replace the traditional mining we have?

[autumn turret]

well just different

like fishing is different, and conservation is different

[dull spire]

For some reason my first thought is meteorites falling from above

[zenith jacinth]

Maybe the difference with mining will be that it doesn't exist

[dull spire]

Ye

They said it won't have it

[autumn turret]

did they?

[dull spire]

No fishing,mining, or conservation - at least not in the current system we have

[autumn turret]

..

it has fishing and conservation, its just different

[balmy storm]

It has fun fishing and hopefully fun conservation

[dull spire]

Oh right fishing as the big long boi

I forgor

[balmy storm]

They didnt show us how conservation works but we know we’ll be able to pet the animals

[autumn turret]

PET THE PUPPER

[hot stag]

pet pupper

[balmy storm]

pet pup

[hot stag]

More petting animations

[simple moss]

I demand to have the ability to have more floofy creatures in my orbiter. So I may pet them. All of them.

[distant tusk]

Quick question

How are floofy creatures spoiler worthy?

[autumn turret]

i think it was kinda relating to the conservation discussion

[quaint kiln]

Is ||Teshin dead||?

[steady gate]

possibly

[distant tusk]

Wellllllll

[steady gate]

until Duviri comes out we can’t know

[distant tusk]

Yeah

[simple moss]

@quaint kiln You can access a Murex in railjack via Veil Proxima.

[quaint kiln]

Thanks

[unkempt brook]

Hey

[scarlet basalt]

Duviri imply that floof will have metal part

[scarlet basalt]

If you're shaved in duviri it will imply that you're using Teshin's sword to shave yourself

[distant tusk]

Sun & moon I believe

[torpid lantern]

They also mentioned gardening during the Dev stream!

[steady gate]

growing ores

[distant tusk]

Growing argon?!?

[torpid lantern]

noooo I wanna grow food to cook them. Cooking sim pleeeeease

[zenith jacinth]

(Specifically on nodes that have a blinking red thing)

[distant tusk]

Void cabbage

[torpid lantern]

PO-TA-TOES

[distant tusk]

Void potatoes

[still swan]

boil them, mash them, stick them in stew

[balmy storm]

I hope cooking gives special buffs

[twilit geode]

Yes please. I literally added a section with various foodstuffs decorations cause I liked to imagine like... Operator's gotta eat y'know.

[torpid lantern]

me too!!!! I imagine my op LOVES food. She's a little sugar glutton

[zenith jacinth]

I require salt, and so does my op

[undone forge]

Finally, the ability to make early lunch

[steep delta]

Our Op hates us rn we don't know what we did other than subject her to using the mote Amp for Tridolons/PT a while back even though we have 777 lol

[dull spire]

I wanna grow plantssss and mushrooms

[frail nymph]

Us?

[unborn tiger]

So I know this is a year and some months late but I got around to playing TNW over the weekend. Dang that was such a good plotline!

[scarlet basalt]

The fact that now warframe has a more tame way to deal with tennocon 2018 fiasco is very interesting.
There's multiple path that they need to work on which is good to put out little update that were like citrinne's one.
Even tho we could argue that the farming is not great and that we just have bad RNG

[unborn tiger]

What happened Tennocon2018? D: -newish player-

[scarlet basalt]

i mean 2018 or 2017

[unborn tiger]

And what happened…?

[scarlet basalt]

Nevermind it was 2019
Tennocon 2019 : Too much reveal, they've revealed railjack,duviri paradox,the new war,railjack link (supposed to connect railjack and open world) at the same time
And it took 4 years

Now we have a much more tame way to deal with that : we're overflowed with "unfinished" content or left in cliffhangers which is an interesting way to deal with things, it can bring mini update that explore this path while they work on big project, tho some are hinted for big project

The future tennocon could very interesting, i wonder a lot what it will be about. Because honestly i would love to see more expansion on infested's side, because they've done a lot on corpus/grineer/sentient/void's side but infested are just left alone, there are concept art that could really add things to the tables, DE have proved themselves that they can do some mini mechanics on enemies that could work great with the infested, deimos has for example enemies that are very special and work great in gameplay, it allow you to focus on some body part for example or have a "priority" target in our head in which you would give yourself to focus on some enemies, like the Healing moa in an archon fight.

DE can be very great at enemie's design but we all know that the problem is literally how the game is made, in which duviri paradox is fighting against that 🤔 As it's very new and has some very interesting mechanics while they limit the gameplay (no mods and arcane for example). Plus you're limited in level, even tho it could be funny to see a Steel path bounty in duviri paradox, like it will really test your skill with mobs that will really punish you a lot for not doing it correctly but you get better reward

[frail nymph]

It wasn't really too much, it was completely normal, given the trends set by previous Tennocons

The original reason it took so much longer than typically expected from a Tennocon tease is Covid.

But yeah people don't remember how previous Tennocons actually used to be so they've changed the format now, to be on the safe side of pointless rioting.

Well, to be on the safe side but also because Covid made things way too uncertain for then to announce something when they started working on it

[scarlet basalt]

So that's a problem that they couldn't handle but honestly they've already shown way lot more than what they should have.
This is why tennocon 2020 to 2023 was almost perfect as this was showing something really simple and very cool for a tennocon, a simple one . not teasing too much which is why tennocon 2019 was really hard to handle from DE. Hence i say that current idea that they're showing through naarmer,duviri,zariman,etc... Is really interesting because there will be never another "riot" as it isn't hyped but rather left on a cliffhanger in which they could make something really great.
But there was too much shown in 2019 tbh, because like : How did duviri go to an unknown realm to literally thrax 😭 they've changed a lot and that was so weird tbh.
There's also the problem of promises that aren't fully done like the railjack link that was only used in scarlet spear and i hope that it will make a return for the future, idk how but maybe not something like it need server but like for the planetoids that they've talked i think in tennocon 2020 ? (Like you use the catapult to go inside a planetoids and deploy a railjack link while you fight infested to get some information on what is happening with them for example)

They've shown too much on what they could have brought in a short amount of time so it's better that current tennocon do not too much.
Even tho it kinda make me worries about 2023, what kind of thing they will show, but friday we will get something interesting

[frail nymph]

Duviri didn't "change," the idea was incomplete and is now finished

[frail nymph]

Tennocon has never been about what they could have brought about "in a short time" though

Sure, Railjack was not able to incorporate squad link due to unforeseeable technical difficulties, but the content volume was typical - announcements for whatever will come the same year approx, and the next thing to work on after that.

[scarlet basalt]

True, but like, you're showing concept that are partially finished (railjack) and then you bring railjack being glitched a lot so... What did we think about other content that was promised ?
Literally that they weren't done and that we have to wait longer than what we thought

[frail nymph]

Again, it taking longer than people thought is the people's problem

[scarlet basalt]

this is why they shouldn't have brought up ideas but Hinting like current content

Current content are so interesting on what it could bring to the table, it's strange, a little bit mysterious, things are happening in the background and it is left on a cliffhanger which is very good for a game like warframe, like they can dish out concept.
Even tho i wonder a lot more about the third orb if it's naarmered or not 🤔

i kinda hope that parvos granuum will make more appearance on dialogue because he is so interesting

[frail nymph]

In 2019 and before then, Tennocon had been a place for DE to announce what they were working on to release soon, and then to tease what they were going to start working on.

The normal expectation based on that consistent style would have been "Oh Railjack is coming soon, then New War right after, then they'll start fully working on Duviri."

If Covid hadn't happened, all of this would've been released in the expected time frame.

[scarlet basalt]

didn't railjack was literally promised 2 tennocon ? 2018 and 2019 ?

[graceful zodiac]

It didn't have anything to do what what they could or couldn't handle, it had everything to do with them losing access to ALL of their facilities for over a year

[frail nymph]

Yes, because it was supposed to be that way. That was the whole point

Teaser in 2018, then announcement in 2019, and release soon after.

[scarlet basalt]

but i meant they couldn't handle the covid so they lose all of their facilities i mean*

[graceful zodiac]

And that has nothing to do with DE

[frail nymph]

You do realise Covid didn't exist during Tennocon 2019?

[graceful zodiac]

Like, you can't blame them for content taking longer when they unexpectedly couldn't work on it for over a year

[frail nymph]

Exactly

If Covid hadn't happened, there would be no problem with the fact that they teased Duviri during Tennocon 19

IDK why people think Tennocon 19 showed content too much in advance. Tennocon 16,17,18 all teased content that didn't come out the same year.

Technical difficulties definitely slowed them down a bunch in 2019, but even that isn't something that can be predicted before making the announcement

[scarlet basalt]

Yes, will that change anything for railjack's problem ? Like the big project was really partially finished and it was so strange that it was brought glitched and all so people lost trust to DE on handling the matters.
Railjack was promised in tennocon 2018 to 2019 And it was really shown with corpus + Grineer so people have thought that it was finished, like you're showing gameplay and all 2 times in which duviri+the new war didn't.
Even if covid happened we wouldn't expect railjack to be that messy,glitched, like i played on the first arrival and it was really bad.
Like ok they're losing access to their facilities and all but if railjack was that bad, couldn't they just wait to get their facilities then ? Like people would understand (even tho people won't really because with how much it was shown, you would never expect that it was this bad) this period of time was really bad and a lot of people were losing jobs and all.

[frail nymph]

Anybody who thought Railjack was finished, was not thinking clearly.

That's not something you can blame DE for

[near rune]

Eh, TennoLive 2017 was Plains of Eidolon, which came out that year. Though the art panel showed off stuff like the Sentient Outposts and Railjack.

[scarlet basalt]

Showing gameplays footage, 2 factions, how it work and much more
I guess so ?

[frail nymph]

If you don't know how Tennocon announcement have always been, then it's a fair conclusion to come to.

But if you do, you already know that it was just a teaser and was not coming anytime soon. Like the Sacrifice teaser

[frail nymph]

Well yeah the main event is intended for the same year. I was talking about the teaser part.

Like main event ( for same year) vs teaser (for next year) is...

PoE vs Sacrifice (2017)
Fortuna Vs Railjack(18)
Railjack vs Duviri(19)

[scarlet basalt]

Yes, that's literally what i was : a new player
So it was normal that if someone see 2 times the gameplay that focus on railjack with explanation,how it work,gameplay,interesting plot, great design overall.
Yeah that's literally a conclusion that every new player will go 😭

[graceful zodiac]

No one had any reason to think Railjack was anywhere near finished in 2018, it's explicitly a teaser then. For 2019, it's working better and was then ready to launch, so it is someone separate with the pandemic restructuring

[near rune]

Railjack from 2018 was very unfinished, and clearly ambitious in scope, so it shouldn't have been expected to release that year. Railjack from 2019 was much more polished and detailed, and then it released later that year (though vastly changed from how it was shown at TennoCon). You're also talking about Railjack having bugs, which is the case with all updates, even if Railjack had more bugs than normal.

[frail nymph]

Well why would DE change their system that had been working fine for multiple years because one particular year a new player might get the wrong idea?

[scarlet basalt]

yep it was too much ambitious but it fooled me like a fool tbh.
So now i really want them to not focus on making too much noise with their tennocon tbh, i just hope that now that they've learned the technical difficulties that could be in the future they restrain themselves on not making too much.
Nah railjack was way more unpolished than the normal, because at least, it wasn't literally gamebreaking,impossible,with a ship that die every 3 second because of one mortar that deplete 3K hp.

That was so funny but like, i was moving at 1mph

[frail nymph]

Well they are not doing the teasers anymore so you've nothing to worry about

[scarlet basalt]

I hope so 😭 because i really liekd tennocon 2020, it was so cool and it literally brought everything they promised

[graceful zodiac]

Those are fair criticism of how Railjack launched, but that's entirely separate from TennoCon stuff

[near rune]

They've said before that TennoCon always draws peak player numbers for the year. They NEED to bring mad hype. It's part of the entire business model.

I also liked original Railjack for what it's worth and only had a couple "game breaking" bugs.

[frail nymph]

Railjack had bugs, yes. But they were the types of bugs that can't be ironed out internally. Sure they could have delayed it using test servers, and that would be a PR save, but doing it the way they did was in the end a faster way to smooth out RJ.

And the ships were supposed to be weak, it was supposed to be endgame difficult af content

[graceful zodiac]

Well no, it definitely wasn't meant to be endgame stuff

[scarlet basalt]

I think railjack wasn't really aimed to be Endgame ? Like it seems that it was supposed to be an alternatives to current starchart ?

[near rune]

yeah idk if it was supposed to be endgame but it was definitely supposed to be content for engaged, long-term players.

[scarlet basalt]

Like the scaling was higher than the normal but maybe it was supposed to be mid content before something like SP ?

[near rune]

they also cranked up enemy toughness but that was to compensate for lower numbers of enemies

[frail nymph]

That was the origin of the idea, and where Railjack will end up when it's fully complete, yes.

But that's all that was - an idea for a teaser for Tennocon 18. Practically, they had to first implement it as an endgame activity.

[scarlet basalt]

Orginal railjack was funny if your ship didn't die every 3 second tbh
Like it felt like tank that needed protection to destroy high priority target

[frail nymph]

Well yeah that's what I meant, I should be more careful using the word endgame

[scarlet basalt]

Now i wonder if they have plans for a potential tau solar system and if we will go with the zariman or railjack lol.
It would be strange as hell but definitly something interesting. as it could potentially feels like the old war, we've seen railjack attacking sentient and all. So it could be an opportunity from them

[frail nymph]

I haven't seen it myself but I've heard on this server that DE mentioned we're not gonna see Tau

[scarlet basalt]

Yonta wanting to do the jump to tau with the zariman again. While there are literally eldritch monsters inside the ship 🤔

[frail nymph]

Either way, next Devstream will give us somewhat of an idea about the next 5 years

[frail nymph]

She was just basically implying that the accident was not her fault, the big jump would've been fine and can be done today.

She doesn't even want to move the ship cause too much void would leak out

[scarlet basalt]

Door stuck
That's literally what it is

[supple dagger]

Lol I’m sure he’ll look even better than that

[scarlet basalt]

I just hope that we will see tau 🙏 but well with how the tenno behave with casual genocide i don't think they want to see us

[robust summit]

We don’t always go for casual genocide… it just happens, ya know?

[scarlet basalt]

i mean when the common player stats is around 500k grineer maybe that's a little bit

[robust summit]

They started the argument, we finished it.

[frail nymph]

Yeah a main thing Steve pointed about making things for WF is that making a small controlled protoype is relatively easy and just the first tiny step before actually integrating something into the game.

Remember in like 2015 or something when Steve randomly turned a relay into a flying Railjack - like ship just to talk about the concept? It was a recreation of a presentation he had given during the Dark Secor days...

Imagine if people were making the same misconceptions but with this info in mind... They would be arguing that Railjack was released in a horrible state despite DE working continuously on it for 10+ years

[near rune]

I believe that was in late 2017, back when Steve was doing his semi-regular Warframe streams. But he would talk about how Railjack had always been his long-term plan for Warframe and how exciting it was that they were approaching finally being able to do what he imagined all those years ago, so for me at least it was apparent that this was going to take time to polish. And like I said we got official concept art for it at TennoCon 2017. So it was a long time coming.

[frail nymph]

Hmm lemme check

[near rune]

I'm seeing Steve streams from 2017 if you google "dogfooding warframe" which is what he called it for some reason

[scarlet basalt]

damn then i hope they continue that then.
There was also the idea of steve about planetoids ? Which were infested type of mission no ?
So it could be the next thing that they will try to do on railjack. They continue to update railjack and make it feel better and better each update.
Like if they bring infested railjack, i also hope they bring more missile type (maybe not the same as sevagoth's railjack as it looked op)

Oh my god imagine you fight the infested around deimos in railjack to hope that they won't spread out to mars.
Like imagine there's literally a laser that try to shot you will you fight countless infested and little planetoids that the wyrm sent to take over mars 😭

[frail nymph]

Deimos is the infested planetoid

[scarlet basalt]

then little one,
Ohhh you made me think something like : Smilar to the infestation event on POE they could do something like : you have to destroy a infested comet that is trying to reach other planets ? in which it could be a very small planetoids with different biomes, like : poison lake,ablaze forest,etc... ?
It sound very fantasy but with how the infested are made, yeah they could do that with the explanation : oh it's infested things, it's funny
Like it could make something like : you have to bring certains arcane so you don't get too much damage (arcanes that are focused to protect yourself against one element)

[supple dagger]

Iirc the event you're talking about was plague star

[hexed cipher]

Plans can change

[autumn turret]

its extremely unliekly

[hexed cipher]

But possible

[autumn turret]

in a billion years

[hexed cipher]

Im making a prediction
In 7 years we will see Tau and im gonna be right

[unborn vortex]

It's the stealth part isn't it? @unkempt spire

[unkempt spire]

With the Moa? Yeah

[unborn vortex]

Oh are you trying to get past the area blocked by ruble?

[unkempt spire]

Yeah

[unborn vortex]

Shoot the small one

He will blow it up

It took me 15 minutes to remember that part when I did it

[hot stag]

Omg bob are you doing the new war

[flint totem]

how and why is Umbra inside?

[hybrid vessel]

He is a human

[flint totem]

the area is operator and drifter only tho

[distant tusk]

Sorcery

[flint totem]

no where does it say dax are allowed

[hybrid vessel]

I think its because hes human

[flint totem]

in fact it says warframes are restricted

[hybrid vessel]

k

[flint totem]

tehnically all warframes are too

[loud kayak]

The man goes where he wants

[steep delta]

lol

[hybrid vessel]

yh

[hybrid vessel]

Could be bug because he follows his operator

[loud kayak]

Bro wanted to see what was inside

[hazy flume]

Magic

[hazy flume]

Literally is because of this. He used to follow into the chains of Harrow quest as well. (Funny because he'd basically wreck all the red veil enemies in the final part.)

[flint totem]

WAIT RLY LOL AHAHAHHAHA

[hazy flume]

Aye, it used to. I'll have to check my old PS4 captures to see if I managed to record it happening before it was fixed (I think it was fixed?) Lol

Excalibro Umbro all the way it appears.

[flint totem]

oof

umbra legit just goes into places he isnt suppsoed to

[loud kayak]

Alpha male

[twilit geode]

*Umbra

[hazy flume]

The typo is on purpose because he's a "bro."

[twilit geode]

I was actually correcting vuorineuvos

[hazy flume]

Fair enough

[loud kayak]

The Umbra Male grindset

[tacit venture]

*Umbra Prime

🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳

[distant tusk]

Don’t you get rewards when you max out a focus school?

[woeful jacinth]

Yes

You get a voidshell material, some banners, and a badge

[distant tusk]

Is it worth it?

[woeful jacinth]

Honestly it's just there for bragging rights

[distant tusk]

That’s boring

[wintry plaza]

What’s zariman

[distant tusk]

Where are you in the story?

[bronze temple]

Zariman node when u complete the angel of zariman quest

[distant tusk]

Because it’s more fun to not spoil it

Angle🤣

[distant tusk]

Angel

[bronze temple]

🗿

[uncut junco]

that's pretty much the entire story tho, partially because you don't even expect a story when it suddenly starts

[distant tusk]

But you don’t know until ||the new war||

[bronze temple]

He already finish second dreams

[distant tusk]

Honestly it been awhile

[wintry plaza]

Just unlocked Neptune finished second dream quest and unlock lua

[distant tusk]

Just play the story and you’ll find out

[steep delta]

S: We didn't get a tauforged this week lol

[ionic imp]

Do we know if we're gonna get wisp prime soon??

[supple dagger]

Sometime in the Summer

[bronze temple]

Better gauss prime

[ionic imp]

Awesome, thank youuu. I'm reaally looking forward to her

I also dont even have gauss yet 😅

[bronze temple]

This year prime frame is hildryn, wisp, gauss and grendel

[bronze temple]

Easy kappa

[ionic imp]

Oh cool!! I didn't know grendel was getting a prime too. And so soon after his rework

[distant tusk]

I can’t wait for the red text when wisp prime releases

It’s always devious asf

[ionic imp]

🤭 they know how to have a giggle, thats for sure

[bronze temple]

4 month later or less

[steady gate]

every frame will eventually get a prime; it just so happens to take about 4 years

[ionic imp]

That's true huh. I hadn't noticed the 4 year gaps

[velvet wing]

My 4 year anniversary is coming up soon and when I started playing hildryn had just dropped

[supple dagger]

Oh yeah

[steep delta]

S: Duviri's gonna ruin everything for us lol

[distant tusk]

[distant tusk]

How so?

[supple dagger]

When Ordis mute button?

[wild copper]

2035

[steep delta]

S: our girlfriend will hate us because we'll already have 10 in whatever stat for stalker and she won't even play because her friends dropped the game around what was it when The Sacrifice released

S: calling it now duviri's going to make it so we'd rather do ropadopealyst over and over and over again

S: how the heck is that actually spelled?

[distant tusk]

Oh no

The rest of the game suddenly doesn’t exist

Also

Ropalolyst

[steep delta]

S: oh

[distant tusk]

And

Bold of you to assume that I have a girlfriend

[steep delta]

what is it with sentients and names ending in -lyst lol

[uncut junco]

Probably because the names are war machines rather than actual people

[bronze temple]

vomvalyst

[distant tusk]

[steep delta]

Battalyst

Conculyst

etc etc etc

[uncut junco]

Whoever designed the vomvalyst probably was hired for the wrong character.

[steep delta]

eyes up, tenno.

[uncut junco]

Maybe if you were a bit taller, or i was shorter.

[woeful jacinth]

[cyan crest]

Wait until you find out about the infested and -er

[frail nymph]

Phorid?

[loud kayak]

Phorider, the second evolution

[cyan crest]

Murex

[torpid lantern]

Mimicyst

[cyan crest]

Hunhowyst?

[lament axle]

condrixyst

[simple moss]

The most dangerous of them all: The Bunalyst. It has sharp, pointy teeth!

[steady gate]

Sentients designed for space travel end in ix/ex (Murex, Ionex, Oprhix, Condrix)
Sentients designed for atmosphere end in lyst (Conculyst, Battalyst, Summulyst, Occulyst)

[dire kraken]

Sussylyst

[rugged ridge]

OMG, doing my Kahl mission today and I straight-up rescued a corpus Imagineer 😆

[steady gate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/813950207196397569/1085023324318474281/image.png

[robust summit]

Disney is the Corpus confirmed?!?!?!??

[balmy storm]

The Corpus run the Origin System’s entertainment industry

[thick jolt]

hmmm now im wondering how is the movie industry doing in warframe

like we know rare comics are still worth a lot
we know we still have pirate radio
they still have the concept of games for fun if the ludoplex is available to anyone other than tenno
but what about movies and videos

[loud kayak]

I feel like a complete idiot, I just realised that "Tenno" comes from the "10-0" part in Zariman.

[cyan crest]

I imagine Corpus movies to be 2 hour long ads
And the closest the Grineer would have for audiovisual entertainment are probably propaganda movies

[dry magnet]

April in just 10 more days. Probably in half of that month maybe even at the end of it we can expect duviri update…probably we will find out more tomorrow on next devstream?

[hazy flume]

Comes from Dark Sector's lead protagonist to be on point.
"Hayden Tenno"
Only later when adding more lore to Warframe did the name Tenno start making sense. Because literally as someone who played a lot of Dark Sector I legit thought the games were canon. It was big confusion.

Even the nemesis skin for Nyx comes from Dark Sector and the proto glaive skin/proto Excalibur skin comes from Dark Sector.

[cyan crest]

Well one is a doylist explanation and the other is a Watsonian one

Like, out of universe the Tenno name comes from Hayden but in Universe it comes from 10-0

[hazy flume]

Aye...

No idea what doylist or watsonian means by the way

[hazy flume]

May find out more in the next devstream, however I'm betting it'll be sometime mid April or during Easter holidays. (Can vary considering there was no exact date. Just keeps us all excited lol.)

[cyan crest]

Watsonian would be from within the fiction (the narrator of Sherlock Holmes is Watson) while Doylist would be from outside of the universe (Arthur Conan Doyle being the author of the books)

[hazy flume]

Oh shi- now I get what you mean. Lol.

[cyan crest]

[hazy flume]

Now I want to read 📚
Won't lie part of me would probably find fun in solving mysteries in Warframe, such as criminal investigations.

Solving stuff is too fun, not to mention satisfying when you find all the clues you need. Lol.
(Like when we had the clues we had to find in that 1 nightwave.)

[cyan crest]

The glassmaker chapter of nightwave had us solving crime scenes by looking for clues!

I wish it was replayable

Granted we just looked for the clues while Nora did all the puzzle solving but it was neat

[hazy flume]

IKR! It was so fun!
Literally not sure how everyone took it but it was neat to have some story and something to find along the way with ranking up. Glassmaker was just
Vitrica is also a lovely sword (still need to meddle with my riven for it.)

[cyan crest]

I don't think I even have the mr to craft it lmao

i really should rank up all my unranked frames

[hazy flume]

Oof.
Not gonna lie, if I weren't on my way to University right now I'd probably hop on and give ya a hand levelling lol.
Can dish out affinity blessings now so it's handy to get a squad together. Sort a blessing in the busiest strata relay and just powerhouse through Hydron or sanctuary onslaught.
(Find Hydron is better because defense wise you're all stuck together so maximum affinity.)

[cyan crest]

In any case I can't play rn either so dw

[hazy flume]

Fair enough
I'll try to keep in touch.
Do enjoy helping out other Tenno.

[frail nymph]

I hope it's after April 13... I have an exam

[frail nymph]

Does it, though? Wasn't the Original idea for Dark Sector to basically be Warframe? So wouldn't Hayden Tenno still come from the 10-0?

[frail nymph]

It is

[cyan crest]

The crime simula sections aren't

[cyan crest]

It's his last name so I doubt it but it could be

[hazy flume]

They did Dark Sector the way they did because dark and gritty got the attention they needed. Only it didn't entirely work out so they had only Warframe left to work. Sent off to multiple about this pitch for a new free to play sci-fi and well everyone pretty much said either "good luck with that" or "it's impossible."

(Hayden basically like said isn't part of Warframe at all.)
Devs even confirmed that.

[languid torrent]

TBH, I liked Glassmaker's 'L.A Noireframe' detective parts (except the movement speed/lack of... For lack of a better term, 'pity mechanic' to give the player a rough idea where to look if they're having a really hard time finding the clues), but the Cephalites got very old, very fast.

But like. DE. Give us more detective segments. Those were genuinely interesting.

[hazy flume]

Aye it'd be good fun more detective Tenno moments >:D
Yiss Nora I bring you a nice clue offering, give me creds.

[frail nymph]

I'm pretty sure I've replayed them on accident multiple times

[cyan crest]

Must've been when the chapter wqs still going

[frail nymph]

They were forced to do Dark Sector the way they did. It was supposed to be Warframe originally.

Warframe as a game concept predates the content in Dark Sector

[cyan crest]

It was still called Dark Sector tho

[frail nymph]

Yes but the 10-0 was a concept that existed before the rewrite or whatever

You see it in the trailer

[cyan crest]

In any case, the original dark sector trailer features hayden and what I assume to be proto Lotus boarding a grineer ship with a Liset, the Zariman on the Background

[hazy flume]

Ye~

[cyan crest]

It doesn't mean the ship on the background was always called the Zariman 10-0 or that that's where Hayden's name comes from

[hazy flume]

The name for the Zariman didn't really pop up until they had the idea on story driven quests.