spoiler-chat

[zenith jacinth]

No need to focus since everything should always be the same maybe

(I personally do the same thing to focus myself, so maybe he was like that as well)

[zenith jacinth]

The donda was there to focus

[frail nymph]

The focusing is needed when there's too much stimulus... Like someone touching him for example.

In an everyday routine, he wouldn't need to focus, cause it's predictable and that's perfect. Makes sense why he'd expect everyone else to love it as well and be puzzled why Drifter wants to leave.

[loud kayak]

Personally not the bigfest fan of this theory but doesn't Dominus have a personal singer or something, so maybe the donda was replaced with her? I don't know if that would work though, I'm not familiar with the intricacies of autism.

[robust summit]

I personally don’t like the Rell is Dominus theory because it paints an autistic character who’s been through a lot as a manic who enjoys making people suffer for their own enjoyment. Plus some of the facts just don’t fit for me.

You know what I mean.

A version of Rell.

[loud kayak]

For all I'm aware of Dominus could be pretty much anyone. Most likely a child based on his actions and mannerisms in the trailers, but anything else is almost impossible to say before Duviri gets released. This is a theory without any basis whatsoever but couldn't he technically be a kid from another Zariman that Wally made a deal with? Probably not though, but it's fun to think of the different possibilities.

[zenith jacinth]

It's someone we know, DE confirmed that

Or at least someone familiar

[loud kayak]

Oh damn, completely forgot about that.

[obtuse gyro]

what the

[frail nymph]

Dominus doesn't enjoy making people suffer
He's literally confused why Drifter would possibly want to leave, how could anything else be more interesting/fascinating

[robust summit]

It’s how I interpreted their actions, if you find something interesting are you going out and killing it repeatedly?

Again, it’s just my personal opinions

[frail nymph]

What?

Dominus believes that Drifter would find dying in the world of Duviri more interesting than anything else possible outside Duviri

And is confused that Drifter would want to leave the perfect predictable world of Duviri

It's not like Chains of Harrow painted autism as "delusions of grandeur about fighting powerful eldritch entities"

[robust summit]

Dudes, it’s how I view this. It’s my opinions.

[frail nymph]

Why are you viewing something as different from what the game outright states, though?

[robust summit]

And I know that last point better than most. I wonder why an autistic man would have problems with someone with autism being panted as the bad guy.

[frail nymph]

Again, Thrax isn't even being painted as an objectively evil guy

Just like Rell wasn't painted as delusional in Chains of Harrow, even though it seems that way if you ignore some facts.

The fact is that Rell was actually fighting the Man in the Wall, not making up a delusion

And Dominus believes that Drifter loves being in Duviri and that there's nothing better elsewhere.

Why would Dominus change anything for Drifter if he genuinely believes everything else is not as fun?

It would be bad if Dominus was portrayed as evil and portrayed to be so because of being autistic, obviously, but that's not happening in the first place

[winged egret]

Subjective evil can have its roots in the circumstances of the villain of which autism would be part of - if it were the case.

[frail nymph]

Dominus definitely gets aggressive around the time when Drifter kills Delphius, but he was already angry by then, given how the world looked like the Anger Spiral

[winged egret]

I rather propose that Dominus is yet another instance of us and the Paradox in Duviri Paradox comes from us engaging with our alternate selves.

[frail nymph]

Kinda like how you couldn't directly blame a prince for being the son of a King, even though Monarchy/Feudalism are very morally questionable entirely. The prince could be trying their best to be good as far as they understood, while remaining so much "worse" morally than any common person today even if they commit things like small crimes.

[winged egret]

that's the nature of subjective evil and the narrative "trick" that makes so many villains so likeable.

[twilit geode]

While I don’t think that Rell being Dominus is the actual idea, I also don’t think it’s necessarily bad either.
IF Dominus is Rell, then to me it’s less about the autism part, and more about the eternalism part. The Rell we know chose to be a better person despite his flaws, despite mistreatment. He became a beacon of encouragement and compassion in spite of it.
But Dominus is an example of how a separate timeline version of someone could choose very differently and be a completely different kind of person in the end. Choosing instead to allow those very struggles to mold them into someone they shouldn’t be.

[frail nymph]

I see it more as Dominus couldn't have realistically done better in their situation. If Dominus hadn't asked the question of why would Drifter even be trying to leave, everything would've been different.

But that question implies that Dominus doesn't think anything else is out there anyway. So the whole situation, which is basically a theatre play on repeat, could just be his only way of keeping everyone... entertained.

And now that I think about it, I wonder if the Circulus and the other void conjunction were created when Thrax decided to leave... But that would imply it took Drifter incredibly long to successfully leave Duviri so it's most likely wrong

[loud kayak]

If Dominus is a Zariman survivor then Duviri itself could be like a coping mechanism I think? Like trying his best to keep everyone occupied to forget what happened on the Zariman.

[dry magnet]

So heres a thing about enemy and horse... 3 years a go we seen 1 of the enemy whose on a horse.do you all think we will have this type a enemy again or its gone for good?

and maybe this type a enemy from the start is onlye way we can use a horse until we dont get him in some progression

in first duviri trailer 3 years a go yes but not now on a gameplay that we seen so far

also here some new images...

[hollow radish]

Considering that it's explicitly stated in Mirror Defense that strong emotions can cause the Void to react, that's definitely possible.

[distant tusk]

Those are cool

[hollow radish]

We've also seen emotions manifesting during Zariman missions, given Skittergirl.

[loud kayak]

If it weren't for the fact that we supposedly already know Dominus I would have guessed that he's a twisted manifestation of the collective fear the people aboard the Zariman faced.

[supple dagger]

What would be considered spoilers?
Anything new war related and onwards?

[flat shadow]

Those are definitely spoilers. Anything in the first few hours of the game, or on advertising materials is generally not considered a spoiler. Some of the bigger surprises we do ask people not to discuss in the main channels, even though they are not technically spoilers.

Example: I always spoiler block discussions of the operator and drifter because it's a pretty big reveal. They are both in ad materials, so it's technically not a spoiler.

[coral jetty]

Oh wow, I didn't realize that the different skins for Natah/Lotus/Margulis affects her voice effects, I originally had her as Natah (but used the Lotus skin) but I bought the Margulis skin for her and it makes her sound clearer

[supple dagger]

yes my love

[distant tusk]

Teshin is best

[zenith jacinth]

Was*

[distant tusk]

😭

[formal grove]

I'm wondering if the weapon options for Drifter in DP are just exclusive to them in Duviri or if they're new weapons that come with the update

[viscid zephyr]

They said on stream that drifter melee is going to be duviri only, for now at least.

[formal grove]

if a later update lets Drifter use melee weapons from regular arsenal, I can already see people choosing Redeemer (Prime), Vastilok, Sarpa, Stropha, and Corufell just to use "guns" as the Drifter

[zenith jacinth]

Drifter using melee is duviri only, but they said nothing about the weapons specifically being usable outside of it or not

[zenith jacinth]

Extremely unlikely, warframes are there for the "normal" weapons

[graceful zodiac]

Warframes are specifically why they got rid of Void Blast

[rain otter]

I mean the like

PC gamer article says you can get them in the normal game.

[formal grove]

sorry that I didn't read the PC gamer article since I don't have access to it in the first place

[rain otter]

ight

This was in it.

So ShRug.

[flat tangle]

Wait... Sun and Moon can be used by warframes?

YAY!

[distant tusk]

Does anyone get subnautica PTSD when the hear the orowrym roar?

[molten oxide]

duel wielding nikanas here I come

[wild wind]

Sun and Moon in starchart \o/

[dry magnet]

Looks like i cant share link about duviri there is something that Reb is explaining something little more

For example happy map we have purple trees and on angry we have red trees

Also we don’t have mini city but insted we have all around island the npc for this type a things that we are getting in for example cetus

And its random to find them depending if the map is happy sad or angry

And so on…

[half ridge]

the map has moods?

[supple dagger]

Mood

[dry magnet]

Also map size is smaller then plains of Eidelon 😑

[half ridge]

sad

[autumn turret]

you cant move nearly as fast, so a map as big as PoE would be hell

[dry magnet]

We have flying horses this time

But its sad waiting for 3-4 year’s expecting massive map to explore at least like fortuna. And instead every next open world map is smaller from next 1

Imagine other rpg maps to be small and just running them in a second or with a horse just like that. Whats the point exploring them

[wild wind]

Fortuna's already too big

It'd be better in every way if it were cut down to 1/3 of the current size

[vital creek]

its better for them to focus on good gameplay instead of an unnecessarily large map

[wild wind]

exactly. Depth, not width.

[obtuse gyro]

I concur, although, the above complaint about the small sizes comes from someone who has consistently given extremely shortsighted and terrible takes, so I dont know how much of my agreeing comes from me actually believing in this or just in opposition of him

[vital creek]

i'm just happy it looks like they might actually have balanced combat in duviri where we don't steamroll everything

[obtuse gyro]

ngl its lowkey a lil souls-like which Im not against but its very reminiscent.

I wouldnt be surprised if this combat is similar to soulframe (obviously soulframe is not a souls-like but this is a humanoid style melee combat from a DE game)

[vital creek]

yea

i also do wonder if part of it is them just finding it easier to make duviri its self contained balanced mode that uses its own mechanics instead of completely reworking everything into being balanced

[wild wind]

I think that Duviri is doubling as a test bed for Soulframe

[half ridge]

whats soulframe?

[obtuse gyro]

probably why it seems that they have the undercroft, so they dont need to make the duviri overworld balanced for warframes, since thye have the undercroft to let loose

[wild wind]

The slower and more timing based melee combat is reminiscent of what Steve said he wants that game to have

[wild wind]

A new game DE is making, which is basically fantasy Warframe but with melee focus and set in Canada. Also the Warframe equivalents look like the bad guys.

[obtuse gyro]

set in Canada

[vital creek]

much more nature and magic focused iirc, with slower melee

[wild wind]

There was a moose.

Yup.

[vital creek]

hmm good point it must be in canada then, there is no other good explanation

all hail the maple leaf

[wild wind]

We'll have to defend the strategic maple syrup reserves.

[dry magnet]

@obtuse gyro Is that applies to me some how? Im shortsighted because i just gave information on what I just found out. And they did gave us ultra small infested open world map is same if not if its even worse then Fortunas map who is much larger. So its not about just small or big we know that DE is not that good on either way. It gives almost same results. But if they are making something new different from other maps, then it’s better if they improve it everything even map size and not just mission types and what not.

Because now looks like it on new duviri map we have on each part of the maps equally things to do when we explore on each part of island. Loving it to have that is normal thing to want more in map size that is all

But if you don’t like exploring good looking map then stop playing this type a games that have that. Its not always fast running everything as fast you can

[autumn turret]

you act like big means anything when its empty outside of marked locations

[dry magnet]

They did say that they changed that

[autumn turret]

its still pretty empty

[dry magnet]

I add that they giving us each island to expllore everything in 1 place

[autumn turret]

smaller and denser > big and empty

[dry magnet]

I see your point like in assassin creed example yes i agree

But in a witcher game type a game I expect that game to have big map not small

[autumn turret]

fortuna and cetus are very empty, deimos is a very good comfy size (Though little actual actual pois)

[autumn turret]

but its not, its a roguelite

[dry magnet]

If game gives more extra bonus activity to do and each part of the map is different from other then is cool for exploration and new things to do

Then if we have small part of the map to play with over and over again its get boring weary fast

For me fortuna is maybe 2 big plains of eidelon is just 2 small

Something in between would be perfect

[autumn turret]

plains of eido is too big too, its also very not dense

[dry magnet]

Specially when the map looks so cool

[autumn turret]

also the focus on size is.. not a good idea

size is a number and not much more, making an infinitely big map doesnt make it good

[dry magnet]

Design map is more detailed than before

[autumn turret]

which means it wont likely be as big

because more effort is done per inch

[dry magnet]

But infested map for example is good example for small bad map to play with

Im just hoping that is not similar to that direction

[graceful zodiac]

Maps like Deimos is 100 percent the better move

[dry magnet]

Yea then to just fly in circles 😁

[graceful zodiac]

You can blatantly see it on Plains and Fortuna, they're big and pretty, and that's about it

DE shines best when they stick to concise ideas

[dry magnet]

Well from what I whose reading I found out that Duviri will have also some cool caves that maps give some extra things to explore

[autumn turret]

the tilesets are generally pretty and well built, with some secrets to find the special spawns in

[dry magnet]

So I think there is a nice balance in there somewhere

But whats make it interesting is that map is changing every 2h so it’s always fresh

Even npc are not on same location

Every 2h

Yea

Looks like it

Red trees instead of purple sky changing and who know what else

[obtuse gyro]

Late to reply but you've flipped flopped through your entire point.

You went from big = good to big/small = DE not good at it back to make big = good. And then later you manage to conflate Duviri gameplay, which focuses on roguelites, which tend towards by more concise maps, with large exploratory worlds like witcher. You then say fortuna is too big which is contradictory to your earlier stance of increasing map sizes (especially given that you have an inkling for the witcher with its large maps).

This size discussion distracts from whats more important, density. Which you briefly, shortly touch on, but with focus on the size of the map instead of content to be done. There is a semblance of the idea of balance that you have, but doesnt seem entirely fleshed out, but then it runs against the initial idea of "improving map size" since this implies the only upgrade is to go bigger

[dry magnet]

Im balancing ideas and trying to agree on some things to be somewhere in the middle.its all depends how you look at things when you have different games as examples

Plains of eidelon looks empty but if they did map to look more detailed it would be so much better to explore but is that would be enough. Then fortuna maybe is bigger from the rest of them but fortuna have so much more details then plans of eildelon and thats good but many of you don’t like it that big because mission is eay to far from each other

Then ok i can understand that. But they did day in duviri that is no longer a thing. On what part of island you are on that island is all your objectives

So they fix that with a simple solution

Now all its left good looking detail map in duviri full with caves and every island equal thing to do so its no longer a problem going on next mission for us to do and completing

Then looks all amazing to know that it’s finally perfect the way it is but if thats the case no matter if its a big or small map objectives are on the point and map already looks detailed

So if we like what we see we would also love to have that multiply to just have more for us in map size because in a way every island is already thing for them selves

That is all…

[frail nymph]

Not gonna enter that discussion, too lazy, buut a side note...

I wonder if Fortuna and PoE would feel more dense if you didn't have to cross the entire map all the time

Having to travel so quickly to another objective means you never get to enjoy what's in the map. Even the densest map turns into a straight line with nothing else on it.

If entire bounties were restricted to specific zones, and better yet, if specific zones had slightly different feel/purpose for the activities within them, we'd have much more of a connection to the map itself.

For example, the part near the machine that zaps the Eidolon bones could be more tactical... The part near big mine with the turret on top could be for heavy assaults. (These examples don't really make sense I just made up random stuff but you get the point)

[zenith jacinth]

Kinda sounds like duviri

[frail nymph]

Well Duviri is a lot more intense with the RnG aspect but yeah I really like that this super old idea of mine is coming true in Duviri

Same for my "procedurally generated void adventures with limited gear per trip" idea I had back when Railjack was released. Duviri satisfies the same wishes

[distant tusk]

Are we going to be able to just chill and explore in duviri?

[frail nymph]

There will be a chill matchmaking option yes

[flat shadow]

There are three matchmaking options.~~ Story only, world only, and both.~~ Story mode only (The Lone Tenno), Story and World (The Duviri experience), and Warframe only endless mode (The Circuit)

[frail nymph]

But if you'd like to explore very very slowly then better verify with your squad of course

It's Story only, Story + World Activities, and Warframe (endless missions) only

[distant tusk]

Oh yeah can you put matchmaking to solo?

[frail nymph]

Of course

[distant tusk]

Good

I think for the first time at least I will play it by myself

[frail nymph]

Well you have the quest to enjoy solo

[sturdy cedar]

why is the opereator still counted as a spolier

[distant tusk]

New players

[sturdy cedar]

L

[frail nymph]

Anything not experienced by a person yet from any kind of story is a spoiler

[sturdy cedar]

rare warframe l ngl

[frail nymph]

?

The only way anything would be different is if Operator was never a spoiler. But TSD came out as a quest you eventually unlock, not the start of the game, so it once was and therefore always will be a spoiler for new players.

[flat shadow]

This is not what they said at the 52 minute mark when they were discussing the different modes. Can you share the section of video they said there was a warframe only option?

[frail nymph]

They show the Warframe only option. While showing off Lato Incarnon

[flat shadow]

When?

[frail nymph]

You won't be in Duviri during that

Well not regular Duviri at least

[loud kayak]

I think he means the Circuit maybe?

[frail nymph]

Nevermind they didn't play it, they showed the reward selection UI but then opened a regular mission

[frail nymph]

Yeah the Circuit is an endless loop of the Undercroft gameplay

You get a random frame, and so you can farm that random frame using the endless mode. One such frame is Ember

[distant tusk]

Ah yes when duviri releases the rest of the game will cease to exist.

[flat shadow]

You're right, they did say endless warframe only mode for the circuit.(33m) I might have missed that, my connection during the stream was. Very Bad.

[frail nymph]

You get the random frame in the normal mode of course, cause it's the frame farming reward path

[zenith jacinth]

I just want some actually fun combat for once, and duviri will have that

[frail nymph]

Yeah it's so weird that they totally took 4 years to make Duviri and 4 more years to make New War and both are only Drifter gameplay, and nothing else in the game at all was developed since 2019 so """disappointing""" that we just get two quests after 4+4 years of Development.
(Literally not even kidding there are somehow real people out there whose perspective boils down to exactly this)

[zenith jacinth]

"Duviri as it was intended to be played" sounds so passive-aggressive for some reason

[distant tusk]

I’m gonna be honest I’m probably not even going to get to the open world the first time I play

I’m going to spend 3 hours customizing my kaithe 🤣

[zenith jacinth]

I'm gonna spend as many hours as it takes to unlock kaithe naming

Any % roach speedrun

[distant tusk]

lol 🤣

[obtuse gyro]

Ah the classic "gamer" tunnel vision, in that the tunnel is the size of pin pricks

[dry magnet]

Do you all think Tenshin will give us option to get duviri captura from him?

[dry magnet]

Or maybe as some random reward from NPC or treasure hunt

[distant tusk]

Teshin is best

[supple dagger]

coincidence?

[distant tusk]

Do we have any diviri music leaks?

[obtuse gyro]

leaks? in this server??

[distant tusk]

Of yeah

I forgor

[distant tusk]

We can’t have fun here

Ehem

Do we have any duviri music?

[dry magnet]

i whose thinkig the same when they show it for us...And i like that they took inspiration from that game...

2 bad we dont have combat similar to that 🙂

[winged egret]

that’s hardly inspiration given how these are so simple tropes.

[dry magnet]

only game with a swords and exploration that i know that have this mini thing to do is ghost of tsushima is when you follow the fox it can show you secreat treaser for you to collect.Now same thing happends in warframe but to not be copy paste fox and everthing else the same they replacing him with a dog

so yea it is inspiration from that game on that part

and its noting wrong with that

ghost of tsushima is amazing game

[wild wind]

uhhh... BotW did that first lol

[dry magnet]

cool

[distant tusk]

So in the duviri teaser kinda in the second half the singer sounds like she’s singing in a different language, do we know what language that is?

[wild wind]

nope

[obtuse gyro]

hell, I bet the concept of following a cute lil animal to a reward is a tale as old as time in video games

[frail nymph]

Yea it's just a similarity. We've been petting Kubrows forever

[royal kettle]

How long is the New War quest, roughly? I'm at Uranus/Enemy of Enemies atm

[distant tusk]

Uuuuuuh

What part of the quest did you just do?

[royal kettle]

I snuck around Orb Vallis and stole a ship

[tiny ibex]

still got a while to go

[distant tusk]

I think maybe about half way through

[wispy jasper]

Maybe like 4 hours total?

[royal kettle]

Cool, ty

And I can shut the game down mid-way through right?

[wispy jasper]

Yeah

[royal kettle]

Great. I figured, but then this is Warframe so better check before I have to redo everything heh

[tiny ibex]

do make sure you're near a savepoint too if you're rather not lose progress

think it saves between scenarios and more rarely in the middle of em

[royal kettle]

Well I'm at the planet map atm so I guess that counts as saved

[wild wind]

yeah I'm pretty sure Ultima did it at least once. BotW and Tsushima had it be more or less nonscripted though, instead of a quest or event.

[minor oak]

Any news on Cross-Save as of yet, really want to move over to PC without losing everything.

[frail nymph]

News will come after Cross-Save testing is turned on in the game. They don't want to give any news in advance because everyone will come online and crash something or the other.

[autumn turret]

i mean, they can give timeline news

but that would be much closer to release

as theres not really any public testing they can do like cross save had

[simple moss]

A timeline is just added pressure. That's why they said they'd say something when they have something to report.

[vernal grove]

I believe I found a bug, where you're in your Necramech and you press 5 on another Mech to swap into it. It makes you invincible and the Gui is glitched for the abilities and energy, saying you're still in your mech.

It also soft locks you in a perma death when Fass changes to Vome.

[sweet mountain]

I want this too. Connection on my ps5 is so much better, but all my progress is on Xbox

[royal kettle]

Me: "Man, I really don't like stealth missions or railjack stuff."
New War: "Here's a stealth mission for your railjack, have fun!"

I other news: If I've gotten a "saving mission" pop-up, can I close the game during New War and continue where I left off, or do I have to redo everything I did in the mission? I just finished the railjack stuff and got into my necramech for the next bit but have to go to work

Cool, thanks

[frail nymph]

Report it on the warframe website

[frail nymph]

Stealth Mission? There's no RJ stealth mission

That's like mobile defense but kind of a race

Stealth is when you have to deal with enemy AI pathing

[ruby eagle]

two tauforged crimson in a row now

[frail nymph]

Ohh thanks for reminding me I would've missed the crimson

[supple dagger]

congrats, my love

[void ingot]

btw how zariman connected to Lua ?

[supple dagger]

zariman is connected to the orokin, orokin headquarters/capital is on lua

[distant tusk]

Wait so the hand that falls to the drifter in duviri is the lotus’s hand?

[woeful jacinth]

Mhmm

[frail nymph]

Yup, you hear her saying "Tenno" and everything

[distant tusk]

It’s been awhile since I’ve played that quest

[cyan crest]

What

[steady gate]

That sounds like you never upgraded your amp…or didn’t switch to the Sirocco when you got back to your ship.

[royal kettle]

I didn't, no.

[steady gate]

You just have to brute force it; aim at his face, hope for crits

[royal kettle]

yeah more crits got me through that phase, hope that was the last dps phase

[steady gate]

It IS possible. but there’s a reason people say to upgrade your amp

[royal kettle]

Yeah that questline was a bit oof at times with base railjack and operator. But now it's done yay

[steady gate]

here’s a warning for Angels of the Zariman; don’t use the base amp. Either switch to the Sirocco or build one.

[near rune]

I think Angels of the Zariman literally does warn you about that

[royal kettle]

Thanks, was about to start that. So I need to level the Sirocco to clear it?

[steady gate]

No, just equip it

Amps don’t get more powerful as they level. A lvl 0 amp is just as strong as it is at 30

[winged egret]

well, technically they get a bump from guilding them (any amp but the mote)

[languid torrent]

This said, a custom Amp will work better then either the Mote or Sirocco. Even an Amp with the first few bits available from Cetus will likely serve you better.

[royal kettle]

That'd mean even more rep grinding and waiting though, I really just want to catch up to the story so I'm not gated out of half the game

I'll give it a try, cheers

[winged egret]

if you have access to ESO, ranking and guilding any AMP is done super quick

[royal kettle]

True. What does gilding it do exactly?

If it deals max damage at 0 already I mean

[winged egret]

it does give a statbump. it's basically what makes the amps stronger.

[royal kettle]

Right. Add the gilding, is it expensive?

[winged egret]

not really.

[steady gate]

I’m pretty sure DE removed the stat bump from gilding

[languid torrent]

Try Vox Solaris. If you can reliably off Exploiter, her Toroids are worth 12k a pop, so 1-2 a day will give MORE then enough for a good Amp's parts

[steady gate]

There is ZERO gilding stat bump!

Gilding only lets you gain mastery, put arcanes and lenses on amps and color them

[winged egret]

I mean, fair but being able to put amps on em is huge in itself.

[steady gate]

Yeah, but saying you have to gild for better stats was incorrect

[winged egret]

could've sworn that to be the case, tho

[steady gate]

It USED to be

But now modular things have max stats before gilding

It was a Veilbreaker change

[winged egret]

I was wondering when that change happened, just came back a couple of days ago. my bad.

[winged egret]

but wait, it DOES state that you have to rank up to level 30 for the full stats

so you basically get the bump on lvl 30 instead of upon gilding?

[steady gate]

Nope, looking at my currently built ones and what I can build at Zuud/Little Duck, stats are identical

[simple moss]

You get the max stats right off the bat now. Gilding your modular weapons allows you to then gain mastery, installing a lense, and iirc let's you slap a polarity on it. Been a hot minute since I made a zaw/kitgun. >^^<;;;

[autumn turret]

yea gilding on not amps gives you a polarity

[wicked iron]

Geef Dread Incarnon. GEEEEFFFFF

[steady gate]

I’m waiting for Paris incarnon

[wicked iron]

That too. 😄

[simple moss]

I didn't even think about a Paris Incarnon mode. Oh no. I won't be throwing forma on it just for memes.

[wicked iron]

Wait... Hildryn P is March 15th, or April?

Oh man, yeah, in 6 days. 😄

[steady gate]

I already use the Paris as my main primary

I can’t wait for it to be stronger

[royal kettle]

This question might have a bit of a complainey vibe to it, but: Am I going to be able to enjoy this game if I dislike operator? I've been having a blast for a month now just playing space ninja simulator and grinding to make said space ninja stronger, but now having finished up story and reached Zariman, done conjunction survival etc it feels like every single thing I have to do in the game forces me to go to my weakling call of duty protagonist and fire my pea gun at things (or rather die, since it gets one-shot by the same enemies my warframe obliterates by blinking at)

[steady gate]

The operator is a big part of the game. They are viable up to late steel path if you use the right focus abilities, and they’re tankier than some frames.

the problem you have is you have a garbage amp.

[zenith jacinth]

Do not use mote

[royal kettle]

The main thing now, I guess, is that the time investment to make it strong feels HUGE, and I'd very much like to work on making my frames strong since that's much of my enjoyment atm.

[zenith jacinth]

It takes a day at most to make a 111 amp not counting farming the standing for the bps

[royal kettle]

I started using the Sirocco after the story, which is nicer for sure, but the Operator is still extremely squishy and slow

[steady gate]

To make the operator stronger, you mostly use the Warframe (minus killing some Sentients).
Get focus with the frame, spend on operator.

[zenith jacinth]

Sirocco is like 10% better than mote

[zenith jacinth]

Rank up quills standing a bit and get the armor arcane

[royal kettle]

Sounds like a plan

[steady gate]

The Vazarin focus school unlocks gives the operator more health and regen, Unairu lets you revive your frame with your operator (by getting kills). The Operator is surprisingly powerful if you put some work into them

[zenith jacinth]

I can't stop using the melee combo focus anymore

[steady gate]

laughs in stripping every enemies armor and shields

[zenith jacinth]

I'm just using it because it makes it easier to build up and maintain combo with nukers in the squad

[steady gate]

I still stand by Magus Overload being one of the best operator arcanes. 4/5 factions have enemies that it works on; turn mechanical units into scaling bombs

[wicked iron]

I think the bigger hurdle for Wrex is the grinding for Focus.

Even that can be pretty easy, though. Just takes time. 🙂

[zenith jacinth]

Zariman is good there

Or eidolons

[royal kettle]

Yep, that's a big thing - I've gotten about 200k Zenurik focus so far, but that's the grand total since I unlocked it a few weeks ago

[zenith jacinth]

What does that do again?

[wicked iron]

I used to do ESO for it. 4-8 rounds of that and bam, maxed Focus for the day.

[royal kettle]

I don't have many lenses, and I'm not sure where to put them since I switch around my loadout a lot

[zenith jacinth]

Put them on your main frame

I put my lenses on frames that match the focus for some reason

[steady gate]

80% of a mechanical enemies health is released as electricity damage after you void sling through them. Moas, ospreys (including infested), Sentients, void angels…there are so many viable targets.

[zenith jacinth]

I despise void sling, although I do have to use it to make my innodem build work properly... I will consider getting that arcane.

[steady gate]

don’t tell de but it will instantly deplete void angel health bar sections if they have no armor

[royal kettle]

So Vazarin school would be a good thing to work on next after Zenurik if I want my operator to be viable?

[steady gate]

Vazarin to make them tankier, yes.
Zenurik is more energy/regenfor abilities
Unairu is self reviving
Madurai is amp energy/regen
Naramon is movement speed

[royal kettle]

Ok this is actually very frustrating. I just lost a very easy mission on Zariman because two of those "no warframe here" bubbles spawned on top of the defense objective with several eximus inside and I couldn't do anything to clear them out

This gates me extremely much honestly

[steady gate]

You can; those are Trokarian spears, they’ll be at the center of the bubble. Use your operator to break them.
Trokarians also have like a four second wind up before throwing the spears.

[royal kettle]

ooh, nice - I didn't know that

thanks

[simple moss]

I'll also attest to operator being goofy strong. I have it all maxed. It feels way better the more waybounds you unlock.

[steady gate]

Trokarians also use a Kuva Karak. They’ll hit harder than anything else on the Grineer side with an automatic weapon

they’re pretty flimsy though

[royal kettle]

On a positive note, I finally unlocked Steel Path and all that jazz after that last mission 😄 cheers for the advice, I'll have a look at operator boosting

[zenith jacinth]

Make sure that your builds are properly thought out if you go into SP

[autumn turret]

and get galv mods

[zenith jacinth]

I didn't and I only got through my first mission thanks to my kuva lich

[zenith jacinth]

That is optional but also part of properly thought out builds

[winged egret]

the operator gameplay is part of any good build now, due to the waybound passives, general school passives and active abilities. it expands upon what you can do with your frame and what you can do in general in this game. you dont have to use it but that's like deciding not to use weapons or not to use abilities.

[frail nymph]

It takes up to 5% of the time you usually spend on all your frame gear to get you operator to a nice and strong status. Just make sure you know what you gotta do

[frail nymph]

Hmm apparently the animal names in Duviri are based on what the Drifter would have said while trying to pronounce them as a child... Hmmmmmmm

Seems like just an easter egg but I wanna see if it can explain anything

[distant tusk]

Kaithe?

I was making sure to ping them

[supple dagger]

wait youre talking to me about this just now?

[steady gate]

if thermia fractures are up you won’t get the speech

[supple dagger]

oh

[royal kettle]

That sounds good. Is there a guide or so I could have a look at to see exactly what I've gotta do?

[autumn turret]

the op is beefier than alot of frames

[frail nymph]

Ram = Tamm

[frail nymph]

Maybe there is, but I don't think it's too necessary...

I'll DM you all the basics about Focus (Operator XP), arcanes and amps (Operator gear)

[zenith jacinth]

Oh, I was reading that :(

[frail nymph]

Lol

Might as well post it on #players-helping-players

[robust summit]

Could have sworn they patched that? Might be mistaken tho…

[distant tusk]

So everyone says that you can hear teshins skull getting crushed but I don’t hear anything, it sound basically like the other Dax lady getting her helmet crushed

[zenith jacinth]

Erra's fingers go through

Might be both combined

[distant tusk]

I think I’m in denial

[zenith jacinth]

Teshin's dead, accept twoshin as the new space uncle

[distant tusk]

No 😢

[zenith jacinth]

Or kevshin's teshin, which is superior to both

[distant tusk]

I think we need more Dax either way

[zenith jacinth]

Well, we currently have 2 still living ones

1.5*

[distant tusk]

😭

We need more then

[ember oxide]

its 2, umbra is half a dax

[zenith jacinth]

Yes, 1.5

[distant tusk]

Just slap the word paradox in there and you can bring however many you want

[ember oxide]

no, teshin ded but not, umbra was a dax and now not anymore but still alive so that together is 1 and varzia

[zenith jacinth]

Varzia and umbra are the only currently existing still living dax

[distant tusk]

Well

Oh

Currently existing

Duviri doesn’t count?

[zenith jacinth]

Not yet

[ember oxide]

i mean, stalker might be one, but...stalker can be anything

[distant tusk]

I doubt it

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah, low guard could've been a rank of dax

Or tenno...

[zenith jacinth]

I don't like either option tbh

[ember oxide]

he's a dax, he has free will still

[zenith jacinth]

That's why he's .5

[distant tusk]

We’ll find out about stalker in duviri I guess

[ember oxide]

I think hunhow needs to be the end boss.

[zenith jacinth]

Hunhow's done

[ember oxide]

he aint dead.

he just chilling under the sea.

[zenith jacinth]

He knows that lotus is happy where she is and that's all that matters to him

[distant tusk]

Unda the sea 🎶

[zenith jacinth]

Hunhow is a good father

[ember oxide]

yeah but like....DE kinda turns things around sometimes.

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah, they turned hunhow from a hateful enemy into a chill grandpa

[distant tusk]

I think his story is closed

[ember oxide]

deliver some more swag lines? duh

[zenith jacinth]

We got regor for that

[distant tusk]

Touché

[ember oxide]

nah....

"I am Hunhow: Sentient Destroyer of Worlds. By your hand, expose their heart. By my edge, cleave it beating from its nest."

is the hardest line in wf

[zenith jacinth]

"You must be feeling guilty. Need to atone? I'll oblige. Let my gavel ring justice off your thin tin skull."

-Tyl Regor

[ember oxide]

dying noises

[zenith jacinth]

He has the best insults

[ember oxide]

Orden Karris gameplay when?

[distant tusk]

Who?

[zenith jacinth]

We need ordan gameplay, yes

[ember oxide]

Ordis

[distant tusk]

Oh yeah

[ember oxide]

tha fricking beast of bones?!

[zenith jacinth]

Pre-glassing ordis

[ember oxide]

its possible now because

[distant tusk]

I need to read up on ordis

[ember oxide]

duviri.

[zenith jacinth]

Not really

There's no reason why duviri would make ordan gameplay possible

[ember oxide]

exactly

also missed oppertunity from de to have him be exploded in new war and basically confirm that both operator ordis and drifter ordis had the same faith

[zenith jacinth]

What

That'd... still not have any relation to duviri

[ember oxide]

yeah so drifter's timeline ordis could still be around.

[zenith jacinth]

Which still wouldn't matter, duviri is in the void

Drifter's origin reality isn't

[ember oxide]

Teshin somehow got in duviri, why wouldnt orden be able to?

[distant tusk]

Neither is teshin so how could there be another teshin?

[zenith jacinth]

Ordan.
It's unknown why there's a teshin in duviri, it could be because the corpse got sucked into the void portal. Either way, there's no reason for an ordan to be there

[distant tusk]

Oh yeah I forgot about his corpse

[ember oxide]

and the same might've happened to drifter orden

its two timelines.

[zenith jacinth]

No, operator teshin's corpse.

[ember oxide]

people can travel to the void nonetheless.

[zenith jacinth]

But not to duviri

[ember oxide]

why not?

who says "you cant enter sorry"

[zenith jacinth]

The only time something travelled to duviri was the hand of a sentient, which shouldn't even be possible to exist there in the first place

I absolutely despise talking about unreleased content because it's uncertain, so I'll not continue it any further.

[distant tusk]

Oki doki

[zenith jacinth]

Praghasa is pretty much dead after flying from tau to sol, and all the sentients she transported got sterilized. Sentients rapidly decay when in the void as seen in octavia's quest. Lotus was only able to survive it because she was shielded by being somewhere near the center of lua.

[ember oxide]

is ordis from the origin system or tau?

[zenith jacinth]

Origin system, he's a human

Well, was

[distant tusk]

We’ll resume this in April

[zenith jacinth]

If I'm not busy spending days exploring duviri, yes

[distant tusk]

Good point

[ember oxide]

but then he was given a gift by the orokin, perhaps he was allowed to go to tau

🥴

then crashed into duviri.

and became a golden maw

[zenith jacinth]

The gift was kuva

[ember oxide]

in operator timeline

[distant tusk]

I’m probably going to spend the first day customizing my kaithe 🤣

[ember oxide]

not in drifter we dont know what happens in drifter

[zenith jacinth]

It's unknown when his story happens

[ember oxide]

its during the old war

[zenith jacinth]

Any % roach speedrun

[thick jolt]

Considering he ended up becoming a ship steward for the tenno i would guess it happened in the old war

[zenith jacinth]

Proof?

[ember oxide]

Ordis is like "you remember the old war?" and it was when orokin were still....alive and not just a handful

[zenith jacinth]

That's not proof, that's just ordis wanting to talk about it

[distant tusk]

Too bad we can’t😢

[ember oxide]

he remembers the old war, therefor he likely has experienced it.

[zenith jacinth]

He doesn't tho

[distant tusk]

I think as Odis tho

[zenith jacinth]

That's the point of that line you quoted

[distant tusk]

Ooooh

[zenith jacinth]

"Do you remember the old war, operator? Ordis seems to have misplaced those memories."

[ember oxide]

he has misplaced the memories, not cannot remember those memories

[distant tusk]

That’s the same thing

[zenith jacinth]

It means that he can't remember

[ember oxide]

or just can't remember when exactly it happened.

[distant tusk]

No I think it’s at all

[ember oxide]

he also mentions it when the mimics are encountered. "those havent been seen since the old war"

[chrome valley]

quite literal

[near rune]

Ordis was definitely around during the Old War (he served the Tenno as a cephalon), but it's unknown if Ordan Karris lived during or before the war.

[distant meadow]

SPOILERS
||Except Margulis, do the other Lotus skins have a difference in the voice changer?||

[steady gate]

||Yes. Lotus sounds the same as before, Natah is more mechanical||

[distant meadow]

i see

[distant tusk]

I was looking at the duviri wiki page and HOLY COW

[flint totem]

BRUH

I FORGOT ABOUT DUVIRI LOL

[zenith jacinth]

Finally, fun!

[flint totem]

AND MY FRIEND JUST STARTED

[zenith jacinth]

Have they done vor's prize?

[distant tusk]

50 is a lot

[flint totem]

We are doing it. We are gonna execute Vor tmrw

[zenith jacinth]

Oof

[distant tusk]

It doesn’t matter

[zenith jacinth]

[flint totem]

Funny story

[distant tusk]

I think I’m the stream they said don’t worry if you want start now

[flint totem]

My friend tried to show off how OP his bow is

Me with Nataruk:

[distant tusk]

🤣

[zenith jacinth]

[flint totem]

My friend alr started, so he gotta go to zariman first

[distant tusk]

I don’t think so

[flint totem]

And i'll be honest, i gave up grinding for a necramech lol

I just bought one

[distant tusk]

I think they said duviri will be a constant choice

[zenith jacinth]

The dude with bramma: Not using a real bow

[distant tusk]

Same, I had the plat

[flint totem]

I would rather use a Soma Prime ngl, but i aint MR 7 yet lol

[zenith jacinth]

I bought voidrig before the free bp set was added

Still regret it

[distant tusk]

Wait you have the nataruk before mr7?

[flint totem]

One of the mini bosses he needed to fight got 1 shotted by operator lol

[zenith jacinth]

Quest reward

[flint totem]

I did new war at MR 6

[distant tusk]

Huh

I was at like mr10

[zenith jacinth]

Skiajati has a MR11 lock

[flint totem]

Idk how im still level 6

And alr done with everything except veilbreaker

[zenith jacinth]

Not much equipment variety

[flint totem]

Bro i just stuck to umbra with skiajati and dread

[zenith jacinth]

6k exp from maxed frames, 3k from weapons

If you always use the same stuff you'll never rank up

[flint totem]

Im gonna use zephyr once its done

[distant tusk]

She

[flint totem]

Right

Zephyr prime too btw

[distant tusk]

Nice

First prime?

[zenith jacinth]

Cool

[flint totem]

Yes if umbra isnt counted

[distant tusk]

He isn’t

[flint totem]

Fair

Tryna get a soma prime now

Its MR7

And im still 6, so gotta grind the zephyrs

[zenith jacinth]

Umbra is like half a prime. Doesn't behave like a prime, but he's the next best thing

[flint totem]

Tbf his stats are legit the same with Excal prime, just different polarities

[distant tusk]

Excalibur prime?

[zenith jacinth]

And a different passive, different 3

[flint totem]

Founders only

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[flint totem]

I mean umbra can walk around on his own, so fair enough

[distant tusk]

I thought so

[zenith jacinth]

Doesn't have the prime death orb bonus

[flint totem]

Oh yea true

[zenith jacinth]

What else could excal prime mean

[flint totem]

Wish they made some mod for only excal variants that made him more late game viable ngl

Like bruh my zephyr has 1k HP wth

[zenith jacinth]

All frames except hydroid are late game viable

[flint totem]

How you know

Tbh what even defines late game

[zenith jacinth]

I have and use most of 'em

[flint totem]

Like steel path level 150+?

[zenith jacinth]

Steel path, zariman, ESO...

[flint totem]

Then again im just some MR6 dude with too little endo

[zenith jacinth]

Zariman is like early late game

[flint totem]

Oh i see

[zenith jacinth]

Sounds like someone doesn't do a lot of rj

[flint totem]

So, level 50 ish is alr late game? Damn i soloed angels of zariman

[zenith jacinth]

Early late game

[flint totem]

Railjack gives a lot of endo or smthn?

[zenith jacinth]

Endo and credits, yes

[flint totem]

Damn thankd for telling me

Time to drag my friend to my ship

[zenith jacinth]

It's the point where builds start being more important

[flint totem]

And force wally to be the navigations expert again

[zenith jacinth]

Just remember to get MK3 parts from the clan dojo first

[flint totem]

I mean thats his finger in the reliquary drive, so im guessing hes good with navigations

[zenith jacinth]

Rj is a pain without those

[flint totem]

Noted, thanks.

[zenith jacinth]

The finger's just there for void travel

[flint totem]

Exactly why i think he knows how to be navigations

[distant tusk]

I can’t handle steel path but I need steel essence for the operator armor 😭

[flint totem]

So my railjack doesnt become zariman 10-0 the sequel

[zenith jacinth]

I have 3/4 bishamo pieces

[distant tusk]

I need it

[flint totem]

Also my friend called the operator "child"

[zenith jacinth]

It mixes well with my voidshell

[flint totem]

He legit said "yo, you have a child?"

[distant tusk]

That’s demented

Don’t do my boy teshin like that

[zenith jacinth]

Well, he's not wrong

They are a very old child

[distant tusk]

Indeed

[flint totem]

He didnt call him just any child he called it MY child

[zenith jacinth]

Still correct

[flint totem]

True but still

He thought my frame is a dad now, which is still sorta true

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[flint totem]

Just that uhhhhh, ballas trolled

[zenith jacinth]

Umbra is space dad

[flint totem]

Yes

But he though umbras son was my operator lol

[bronze temple]

Ballas got no ball

[zenith jacinth]

Lotus is space mom, hunhow space grandpa, teshin and erra space uncles

[flint totem]

He asked what the kid was about and asked me to explain about operator

[zenith jacinth]

Oh damn, both space uncles died in the same quest

[flint totem]

Very sad

[bronze temple]

Tenshin not died

[zenith jacinth]

Varzia is the space aunt that isn't allowed to come to family gatherings anymore

[zenith jacinth]

He did

[flint totem]

One time i missread "the great and mighty ballas" as "the great and mighty balls"

[zenith jacinth]

[distant tusk]

Mmmmmmmmmmmm

[flint totem]

I nickname ballas balls now

[distant tusk]

We don’t know absolutely for sure

But we had a whole discussion so we’ll just wait for duviri

[bronze temple]

So now we got just the hologram Tenshin?

[distant tusk]

Yeah 😔

[distant tusk]

Wait

Does anyone think the man in the walls upper face looks vaguely dax like?

Like their helmets

Or is it just me?

[minor goblet]

Yea i kinda see it too...

[zenith jacinth]

Very vaguely

There's also them duviri spirals and stuff on there

Wait

Duviri shapes on wally's taunt form??

I'm not sure what that could mean, but I'm scared

[distant tusk]

Is there i difference between duviri spirals and zariman spirals?

[zenith jacinth]

They're the same thing

Zariman spirals are from angels which are very duviri-shaped, especially their aren-

Angels are void constructs corrupted by wally's finger

Why is there so much duviri-wally-related stuff

[distant tusk]

It’s all connected

[zenith jacinth]

Faeii might be right

[distant tusk]

About what?

[zenith jacinth]

Wally being dominus

[chrome valley]

they could've been made on his image

Or just funny coincidence

[zenith jacinth]

Pretty sure dax are older than void travel

[chrome valley]

but not older than the void 🤓

[zenith jacinth]

Which wouldn't matter

[chrome valley]

fr tho I forgot that

[frail nymph]

They most probably are

[frail nymph]

More like anyone who gives importance to consistency in character portrayal might be wrong

It'd be a "god making all animals over history making it look like they evolved without actually creating evolution itself to mislead all the scientists" type of deal. Just completely twist the plot so hard it tears

[balmy storm]

Are there any game breaking bugs for the older story related quests? I want to revisit a few but don’t want things breaking horribly

[chrome valley]

wdym game breaking? Like getting stuck on a quest?

[balmy storm]

Yes

[chrome valley]

not that I heard of

[distant tusk]

3/4 bishamo blueprints acquired, 2 are being built and I need to get a little more ferrite to build the 3rd one but overall I’d say that’s a pretty good session

[flint totem]

Bro, umbra just 1 shotted teshin lol

I wanted to see umbra (with skiajati) fight teshin

Since i was changing my alignment in TWW

And at the queen fight bro just 1 shotted teshin

Evidently umbra is a better dax

Btw i equipped drifter before starting TWW, it caused a glitch afterwards where operator sunk into the chair lol

Despite it saying drifter

Ye

[frail nymph]

Umbra is a better Warframe*

Have you seen the intro cinematic? Pretty good representation of frame vs Dax

[flint totem]

True

But making umbra (used to be a dax until balls trolled) fight a dax is funny as hell

[rain otter]

Teshin also knows like Mind Kung Fu so idk.

I.E. he was able to like help us while the queen was trying to break our mind*.

Also Teshin and Dax Woman are the only Dax Left cuz the Tenno Killed the rest of them.

[flint totem]

yes

but still, man got 1 shotted by umbra

[rain otter]

Meh.

He is also like probably the strongest Warrior that isn't exactly the Tenno in the current Universe.

Like he was able to Resist the Veil for longer than anyone except the Drifter.

[dry magnet]

This is 1 of the combination im planing to made on duviri update for my Drifter... 🙂

[mossy slate]

But now it's varzia that's the only dax alive right?

[autumn turret]

teshin is dubiously alive

just not able to be in relays

varzia is the only one we can interact with in our reality still

feeling sussy

[zenith jacinth]

There's 1.5 dax currently alive

[autumn turret]

eternalism well actually more so void muckery

[zenith jacinth]

Doesn't matter

[supple dagger]

this is an idea for a new update. it would be amazing if we got an update where the interior like the window and the size was different for every landing craft. also, it would be cool if we were able to get the big corpus warships either as a landing craft or a new railjack/maybe a new base of operations. I also feel like it would be cool if we got a story mission where the whole fate of the galaxy lay in our hands. we have a choice to either kill off an evil dude like ballas and take his place. or take the Evel dude side as his right hand person. or kill him and free the people of the galaxy as we did in the story mission the new war. but this time the choice we make will change how the future is for the galaxy. like if we take the ballas like dude place we will become evel and there will be rebel groups we have to take out by sending the troops of the tenno order after them. you will also be able to choose how you want your galaxy to be like. and if we choose to be the right hand person we are like bounty hunters for him serving his orders in the void military. I know it will not be easy to code other missions after that. but it would be so goddam cool to be able to control a whole galaxy. and to have a mission that will have consequences. like some options will not be available if you choose the Evel sides. like syndicates will now be either under you to control or they would be the rebels trying to stop you. but this time when you choose either to become the tyrant or serve the tyrant it will be like exterminate missions. you will not exterminate corpus as Al has surrendered his forces to you like he tried to do in the new war quest. but you will be fighting the syndicates. as they have now gotten together to try to save the galaxy. I don't know what the grineers role would be as it would be complicated. but I know for a fact that making this update would be so goddam cool. also idk if this should be in the gameplay discussion or here in the spoiler chat.

[zenith jacinth]

[zenith jacinth]

DE doesn't lock people out of content, so what you suggested at the end there isn't possible

[loud kayak]

While on paper it would be kinda neat, we would first need a new villain and an actualy way to traverse the galaxy in a reliable way.

[wicked iron]

Galactic stuff is probably out of the question. We have only had information of things happening in the Sol and Tau star systems, plus the Void.

[supple dagger]

the content that would be different could change over time. you could betray the guy that would be like ballas and save the galaxy or take over the galaxy. but If you actively choose to take the throne you the player choose to be the evil guy and that's kinda on you. the player. the same for saving the galaxy. If you save the galaxy you want to be good.

[wicked iron]

And yeah, it would lock folks out of a lot of stuff (like Syndicate offerings).

[supple dagger]

wormholes maybe?

[hallow slate]

Jeez I wish the Zariman is destroyed

Nah, just destroy it

I call Hek, and send army of fomorians

[supple dagger]

if you were to take the throne or follow "new ballas" A war will Break out between your empire and the rebels. kinda like star wars. the rebels vs the new empire. and the war of the galaxy can go on for a long time many missions can come up in a war.

[loud kayak]

It would definitely feel forced and out of place, since those haven't been mentioned before. Maybe if the game goes on for like 10-15 years with constant story progression, but right now that seems very unlikely.

[wicked iron]

It sounds kind of convoluted and messy, honestly.

[hallow slate]

The revival of conclave : a PvP Sun-path VS Moon-path

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah, this is incredibly unlikely and doesn't fit into the narrative at all

[supple dagger]

the part where it feels forced is the best part. cuz then your choice matter. you have to make a choice are you evil or good/ you can maybe betray "new ballas" and save the galaxy or take the throne. but if you actively want to take the throne it's kinda on you. the player. then you want to be evil. same for just saving the galaxy. you want to be good.

[zenith jacinth]

The tenno are the most lawful good game characters I know of

[supple dagger]

but at the same time, we have the good and evil choices. like in the war within. and like in the sacrifice. but it dosent matter cuz nothing changes.

[zenith jacinth]

"Three are the principles,
three the weaving ways.

Cool water flows,
the moon behind a cloud;
To the receptive mind
All things come in time.

Sun at mid-heaven,
Sovereign above all;
Mind in firm action
Commits without reflecting.

Between sun and moon
Unfolds a winding path;
Not by one Way alone
Is Mastery achieved.

Let me explain, Child. The words I speak to you have purpose. The choices you've been forced to make have not attuned you to 'good' nor 'evil', but to older, less subjective principles. You must find comfort in your choices, for your enemies will provide you none. The road ahead will be one that requires more choices of you, Child. Be ready."

People like you are why I still have that saved to my clipboard

[supple dagger]

but did the genocide change anything? no and did your choices in the war within change anything? no

we dont get anymore powerful by eating the kuva or let it be or break the staff.

and when the character in war within has the embrace or fight choice nothing changes he doesn't become evel.

I feel like the light and dark mechanic doesn't really do anything.

[cyan crest]

because they're not supposed to be good and evil choices
In any case they only matter in how much they change the meter
The only one with consequence seems to be the lotus one

Yeah the meter at large seems to matter, but I meant that the individual choices don't

Except for Natargulotus

[zenith jacinth]

The genocide left a power vacuum that resulted in the chaos that is the current sol system

[near rune]

It ends in a different result for the Mycona Colony. It either survives or goes extinct based on your choice. You just don't see it cause you never visit them again.

[zenith jacinth]

I picked neutral

[cyan crest]

I mean Lotus talks about sending a squad there so while their culture died, the civilians are probably fine

Probably

[zenith jacinth]

Either she didn't for me or I forgot

[supple dagger]

oops wrong person

[zenith jacinth]

Bruh

[supple dagger]

i think

sorry, I was afk for a moment. anyway, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings when I said that the war within quest didn't make sense to me. and as I said. it was a good quest. the meter thing just didn't make sense to me. I sense you may be one of the devs behind the quest so I can understand why u got mad. but there was no need to go all out and hate on me for having another idea for the meter and a future update.
[1:46 PM]
oops wrong person

[zenith jacinth]

Neither of us have DE roles or DE in our name

[supple dagger]

could still be.

[zenith jacinth]

Not really, no

The devs don't go undercover
I hope.

[supple dagger]

but if your weren't a dev why did you get so mad about my opinion? Secret dev confirmed 😮

[loud kayak]

He didn't really seem mad to me

[supple dagger]

mad? what part of them seems mad to you

he began calling me a child and and explaining why my opinion was bad saying that I was the reason he keeps a clipboard. seems pretty mad about my opinion to me.

wait

it was you cephalon

all along

LOL

LOL

oh

i see now

were all children in the game 😮

I fogot

[zenith jacinth]

I keep useful and necessary stuff on there

[supple dagger]

well. so it's not that it doesn't make sense. its that I wish it was good and evil and not moon and sun.

all along I thought I was picking good or evel.

it was sun and moon

not good or evel

taste, the suuuuuun

now the quests have gone a bit down from my tier list.

they were s now they a

I like good and evil mechanics.

[zenith jacinth]

It was impulsive and emotion-driven vs calculating

He actually says part of it in tnw

"Cool water flows, the moon behind a cloud..."

[zenith jacinth]

I like them when they're well executed and fit the narrative

[supple dagger]

I thought he meant that there was evil and good but he saw both sides. especially when he talked about the kuva staff and how there were two sides to it and he believed both. and right after you get a choice.

[zenith jacinth]

The kuva is a semi-exception tbh

Drinking it could have pretty evil results

[supple dagger]

it tasted like pineapple

[zenith jacinth]

Replacing someone's conscience without them wanting you to

[zenith jacinth]

Kuva tastes like blood

[supple dagger]

nothing really changes. you go back and play the game as if nothing happened after that.

you get a cutscene which I remember correctly is close to the same as if you did any other choice.

and then its back to normal again

all ik is that my update suggestion would be epic.

especially when it comes to choices mattering.

[frail nymph]

I mean... they knew about

When exactly? I want more context

The world was fine until the Grineer Queens and Corpus said no

[torpid lantern]

[languid torrent]

And until the Sentients came back, like our parents looking for milk

[robust summit]

Except it’s more of our grandfather, our uncle, and our stepdad in this analogy…

[loud kayak]

Does anyone know if there's a good way to detect angels during Zariman missions? I often times can't see them because they blend into the background or they're behind a corner, I was wondering if there's a way to go around this.

[frail nymph]

They're always in the same spot

[loud kayak]

Thanks

[frail nymph]

Relative to the room they happen to spawn inside, I mean, but I'm sure you figured

[trim jolt]

Does the staff choice from the war within matter?

[zenith jacinth]

No choice matters

Not in any major way, at least

[wild copper]

just changes the following dialogue to match your choice and it will affect some very minor ambient dialogue with certain NPCs, like helminth i think

[void ingot]

LOL , now i am scared

[zenith jacinth]

Wh

[supple dagger]

what

[zenith jacinth]

[void ingot]

No eye balls

[torpid lantern]

Noooòo

[frail nymph]

Wait that's marge's face isn't it?

[robust summit]

That’s a nope.

[autumn turret]

probably not

[distant tusk]

I’m really glad that we will be able mix and match the bishamo armor when duviri releases

Teshin can make those greaves look good, but the male operator?

[zenith jacinth]

You... always could

My op always has umbra scarf, bishamo arms+body and voidshell legs

[distant tusk]

Yeah but I wanna go full Dax for duviri

[autumn turret]

though now you can pick and choose the gender of the armor

[distant tusk]

Also I have no plat

[zenith jacinth]

Plat?

The only paid thing I mentioned is the scarf

[distant tusk]

Mmmmm

Shush

[zenith jacinth]

What?

[distant tusk]

That’s coming in duviri

[zenith jacinth]

Please explain

[distant tusk]

In the devstream they said that you can pick what version of the Amour you want

[autumn turret]

male body type with the bishamo looks like teshin, female body type looks like varzia

they're splitting it into 2 outfits now

[zenith jacinth]

I know, I know

Tbh I prefer male for every piece except the helmet

[distant tusk]

Yeah the female is way better

I wish they had more floaty bits like teshins helmet

[zenith jacinth]

I wish the dax cape could be worn like teshin had it

I like wide capes that go over the shoulders, and warframe lacks those

[distant tusk]

Yeah I agree

[zenith jacinth]

It's why I like fromsoft games, all capes there are like that

[past kiln]

the male bishamo looks ridiculous and is the only reason i use a female operator

cuz it looks sm better on female operators

[frail nymph]

Looks exactly like her face from Apostasy Prologue

[autumn turret]

they both look like faces

[robust summit]

Those are some very wide eyes. What on earth has she seen?

Besides Ballas’ ugly mug.

[zenith jacinth]

(They clearly have never seen male bishamo)

[loud kayak]

The male Bishamo armor is alright. Reminds me of a Reddit post I saw a while back, where someone claimed to have "fixed" the male Bishamo armor and they'd just outlined abs on the front.

[lament axle]

yeah, i mean, it looks like a dax so...

(and honestly, the "fixed" male bishamo looks awful)

[zenith jacinth]

How frames are made

[steep delta]

it is the 🐍 this week for archon hunt yes?

[zenith jacinth]

Should be

[distant tusk]

I finally got it today and I think I’m warming up to it

[prisma cloud]

I’m kinda in a predicament here as I’m not sure if this constitutes as a part of #spoiler-chat or not. I got someone brand new into Warframe and they asked if I could help them out with the Fortuna questline. Except there was some trouble.

I finished The New War, which alters the look of Fortuna. When I entered their game, it would return to being blue but then I would suddenly get kicked from my friend’s game and end up back to an orange-tinted Fortuna again.

[velvet wing]

The Vox Solaris quest is solo

[prisma cloud]

I know.

If there’s gonna be a new questline after the Duviri Paradox, I wonder if we could have a sort of clean-up mission for Fortuna and get it back to be somewhat like its blue-tinted counterpart.

[velvet wing]

The look of fortuna is based off the the host’s progress so if you are being kicked from their squad and starting as the host then you are seeing Fortuna as it is presented post New War

[prisma cloud]

I know. I’m just hoping we can get Fortuna at least somewhat back to its original colors.

[velvet wing]

While I share your sentiments I don’t think DE is going to revert Fortuna to it’s previous snowy splendor

At least not any time soon

[prisma cloud]

I know that, but I’m talking about the hub area in particular.

Brb

[velvet wing]

Sorry I’m used to people referring to the Vallis as Fortuna, I don’t think they’re going to change the hub areas or the open worlds any time soon

[steady gate]

I don’t think de will revert either. There are consequences of war

[velvet wing]

I can’t particularly remember why the snow melted on the Vallis so I’m not certain if it would make sense lore wise for it to regain control but I hope it does

[steady gate]

With both corpus and Solaris under Narmer control, they weren’t sabotaging each other and they could actually make repairs

[zenith jacinth]

They probably stopped being incompetent and an orokin gave them instructions on how to operate the orokin coolant towers properly

[robust summit]

The vallis thawed out, and the plains had autumn while everything went downhill.

[prisma cloud]

Point taken.

[autumn turret]

i do hope they tweak it a little

the stealth gameplay elements make it a not great hub

[simple moss]

There's sneaky paths you can take to make it not hard.

Be curious and explore a bit.

[autumn turret]

i mean for normal use, obstacles make it annoying

[simple moss]

What obstacles? Like the laser floors?

[autumn turret]

wat

[simple moss]

Conversation is about Fortuna, you're talking about stealth gameplay. I'm asking about what obstacles.

[autumn turret]

the containers?

im confused about the laser floors as there isnt any

there is i guess in 1 bounty, but im talking about fortuna

[simple moss]

Stealthing around Fortuna for the one part of New War?

I mean, yes, stealth in Warframe is kinda bad in general. If they do an overhaul of that system, I'd be genuinely shocked and happy.

[autumn turret]

im not complaining about the section

im complaining about all the stuff still being there after the new war

because it makes fortuna a mess

and blocks many lines of sight

i had no problems with the actual stealth mechanics

[simple moss]

Maybe if there's another big change in Fortuna, but I don't see them moving things until then.

[languid torrent]

I just wish that we could alter Fortuna itself back to normal. Or, at least, give us our 'We All Lift Together' cutscene back.

[velvet wing]

It’s my personal belief that creator mode should include pre-new war Plains of Eidolon and Orb Vallis

Like otherwise how does it make sense?

[signal horizon]

There should be a streamer option somewhere in your settings that hides spoilers, one of the things it does is revert Fortuna back to how it was Pre New War

[simple moss]

There's a streamer mode, but yes, it doesn't restore a number of things to pre-new war. Imagine that has to do with being able to do Narmer bounties and the like.

[autumn turret]

they're literally talking about that mode

[supple dagger]

sad

[prisma fractal]

Can't wait for Duviri Paradox, who with me?

[distant tusk]

Me

[prisma fractal]

I will be playing The Duviri Experience. Don't want to miss anything

[distant tusk]

Same

But I’m probably going to give it a day or two so they can get the big kinks out

[prisma fractal]

Luckily April is around the corner, really hope it's released in the first week.

[distant tusk]

Probably not

[prisma fractal]

Hmm, fair enough though they had 4 years possibly more to develop, playtest

[distant tusk]

But still

This is DE we’re talking about

[prisma fractal]

Well, I can hope but realistically I think it would be released in the 2nd week

[prisma fractal]

Yes, am aware lol

DElayed is one of the name we give them

[balmy badger]

I'm not getting my hopes up for that, I'm expecting the middle of the month.

[distant tusk]

Same here

[prisma fractal]

hence I said realistically it would be around 2nd week

[balmy badger]

DE almost always drops updates during the middle of the month.

[prisma fractal]

true

[distant tusk]

I’m definitely playing duviri as a Dax

With the bishamo armor

[torpid lantern]

Did we get a date for the 10 year anniversary content?

That should be the end of this month

[distant tusk]

I think so but I don’t remember

[distant tusk]

Check the duviri devstream

I think they said something about it there

[zenith jacinth]

It's still almost 3 weeks away

[distant tusk]

That’s too long 😔

[loud kayak]

2 of which were during COVID

[flat shadow]

We had two dates announced, Hildy prime and tennocon. Anniversary wasn't specified, but we know it's coming soon. Might start as early as the 15th. Might start later. Duviri in April.

To be honest, I wouldn't expect to see Duviri until after all the anniversary stuff is over.

[frail nymph]

What? no

Duviri was set aside until New War was. Even if they got some long-term-low-team-size work done before 2022, all of that would be negligible even compared to what was developed after AoZ release.

Even New War itself was set aside until the end of 2020. And we know they didn't even do any "long-term-low-team-size work" for a 6 month window during 2019

[flat shadow]

That is true. But they didn't say that Duviri was in development the entire time. But it started development more than four years ago.

You are both factually correct.

[frail nymph]

Yes but the only reason to say "it started development 4 years ago" is to misrepresent it. The start date doesn't affect how polished the final product is, yet it was brought up in a discussion about polish.

Wait they didn't just say it started 4 years ago, they specifically said DE had 4 years to develop and playtest.

[flat shadow]

I don't understand your point. It has been just under four years.

[frail nymph]

"4 years" is a duration DE didn't have for developing Duviri, let alone playtesting.

[flat shadow]

So you're saying they didn't announce it in 2019?

[frail nymph]

I'm saying they haven't been working on Duviri continuously since 2019

Because Covid

75% of that time was for New War, Grineer and Corpus Railjack, Liches, Sisters, Deimos, etc

And 90% of total work on Duviri was probably done in 1.5 years

[flat shadow]

And what difference does that make? It doesn't change the announcement. Nothing is worked on to the exclusion of all else.

[frail nymph]

Because the announcement is not relevant to the discussion that was ongoing...? Announcing something years earlier than main work even begins doesn't automatically add years worth of polish to that thing.

[flat shadow]

No, it doesn't. That still doesn't change that Duviri was announced four years ago, and DE has had four years to work on it. Whether or not they chose to work on it in that time doesn't negate that it has been four years.

[frail nymph]

It doesn't have to negate that it has been four years, the announcement date is irrelevant because that doesn't affect how polished the final product is going to be.

And they were not talking about the announcement date either

They didn't mention the announcement, they said
"Hmm, fair enough though they had 4 years possibly more to develop, playtest"
as a direct response to say that Duviri should be polished enough to work exceptional well enough to not need hotfixes.

This is only true if New War, Deimos, Railjack, Liches and Sisters don't exist at all.

The accurate version of the sentence is "They probably had 1.5 years worth of time to develop and out of that a few months to playtest."

[flat shadow]

If you want to put in 'worth of time' then you'd have to estimate manhours and manyears of effort. In that case, they probably put in 20-30 years into Duviri.

[frail nymph]

If you want to express it in 1 person's work, sure, but that's pointless

Much better to express it in dev time in terms of DE's productivity as a whole

[flat shadow]

So is trying to estimate how much effort DE put into what. We can't possibly know how they are dividing their time.

[frail nymph]

We can estimate it very well based on how they've described things

[flat shadow]

If you say so. I have a meeting, so I'm out.
But the fact remains, both statements are factually true.

[frail nymph]

Only you brought up the statement that it was announced in 2019, and I'd never disagree with that fact

But it's not relevant to the discussion I replied to: figuring out whether Duviri will be so polished that there's no reason to wait a couple days after release.
Expectations for polish must be set using 1.5 approx years of work, and based on that if you think it'll be super polished, that would be fair. But assuming a hypothetical 4 years of DE working exclusively on Duviri, setting expectations based on that, and then complaining when the result obviously doesn't match, is a "surprised Pikachu face" moment.

[frail nymph]

According to the Jan 19 Devstream, they hoped to start working on Duviri in 2019 after Railjack and New War. Then in a devstream a few months later, they mentioned the whole timeline was going slower than expected.We didn't get New War in 2019, let lone Duviri going beyond art design phases.

Then Covid started and New War was completely abandoned for 6 months as stated in a recent interview. Near the end of the 6 months an interview came out on Youtube that made it clear Duviri was not even on the horizon and nobody should expect news regarding it.

The only thing next is the near-release push for Sisters of Parvos and the final push to New War, during which they obviously won't be majorly developing or playtesting Duviri.

[distant tusk]

What syandana is Teshin wearing in the new war and is it possible to a acquire it?

[near rune]

I believe it's just part of Teshin's Dax uniform. It's similar, though not identical, to the Dax Syandana that you can just purchase from the Market.

[distant tusk]

Thanks

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah, all high ranking dax... had that syandana

[near rune]

The Market syandana is longer and thinner, less like a cape than Teshin's.

[zenith jacinth]

Well, our frames are also taller and usually thinner

[rain otter]

All Dax where killed by thr Tenno Except Teshin and The woman in Maroos Bazaar.

[zenith jacinth]

Yes.

[kindred briar]

Varzia

[neon pagoda]

Who waiting for dubbing in other language ?

[autumn turret]

unlikely to happen

[neon pagoda]

I think if the community did it, they would add it

[zenith jacinth]

The game's been around for 10 years

[neon pagoda]

But this it a lot of work

[autumn turret]

and vas arent cheap

[neon pagoda]

And in my opiting it time to add this

not full but maybe only lotus and ordis

[zenith jacinth]

If it hasn't happened in 10 years, it's extremely unlikely that it'll happen

[neon pagoda]

in the near future of course

[zenith jacinth]

At all

[neon pagoda]

Hope die last, remember

[tiny ibex]

what would that even solve

dubs in languages other than the original one tend to be janky

[neon pagoda]

Why

I from polish and if de add polish dubb i thing it can be realy kind

From us

[tiny ibex]

sure, will it bring more polish players though, will they pay more for it suddenly? there's that business aspect too

[neon pagoda]

For me yes

[tiny ibex]

but would your added contribution cover for the costs

including future translations

[neon pagoda]

I know people who spend over 60 euros a month on a game so I think it has paid off over time

@flat shadow sorry for ping but where can I write about my ideas on new mission ans other ? So the developers know about it.

[flat shadow]

I believe there is a section of the forums for suggestions. That would be the best place to be sure DE sees it. If you just want to discuss the idea with players, the discord is fine.

[neon pagoda]

I cant find this page on forum but I can be blind

[flat shadow]

https://forums.warframe.com/forum/89-fan-concepts/

[neon pagoda]

Thank ur my hero

[robust summit]

Here’s a question for y’all: Who is the true Space Dad of Warframe?

My vote is for everyone’s favorite ‘frame with a scarf Umbra, but I want the thoughts of others.

[zenith jacinth]

Umbra is adoptive space dad

[tiny ibex]

I think Hunhow will be in a sense, after we properly ally with him and indirectly fulfill the sentient takeover plan

it's obvious they're incapable on their own

[zenith jacinth]

Hunhow is space grandpa

[tiny ibex]

yeah but he can take that fatherly figure spot

just think of it, we keep doing stuff that mostly ends in nothing, that's Hunhow's MO

[zenith jacinth]

Now that teshin's dead, yeah

[tiny ibex]

not that I dislike Umbra, he's just not very talkative is all, but he's my favorite frame

[zenith jacinth]

Umbra is very talkative

For a frame, at least

[tiny ibex]

well there's the scream but there's no words of encouragement or anything

or dubious missions like Lotus gives us

on that note

why do we trust Lotus so easily

she seems easy to fool and we've done kinda fine without her

[zenith jacinth]

There's no one left to brainwash her

[tiny ibex]

we say this now, bet she will have some animal head soon and will be off trying to skin us alive

[zenith jacinth]

Ballas is dead, erra is occupied, hunhow gave up

[tiny ibex]

3 people already got in her mind

we fixed it technically

hopefully Teshin manifests like the Zariman crew and gives us some proper leadership

[zenith jacinth]

Duveshin isn't very optimistic about anything, so I don't expect much from him