spoiler-chat

[zenith jacinth]

Did you read what I said?

[torpid lantern]

Do you mean dialogue?

I thought you meant her voice, like the way she sounds

[zenith jacinth]

Voicelines=dialogue

[zenith jacinth]

I would've said voice if I meant that

[torpid lantern]

Sorry lol

Either way it's still a pretty huge decision. My recommendation is to choose whomever you feels fit the approach you think she should make towards enemies/situations going forward. Be it compassion, discipline, etc.

[zenith jacinth]

(Which is definitely 100% the only correct way to choose)

[bronze temple]

U can buy the other lotus to switch it

[zenith jacinth]

Only looks and voice filter

[distant tusk]

I chose lotus because I ended up going for a balanced path

[bold mango]

I went balanced but loved Natahs design so that was the only sun choice I did

[distant tusk]

The only choice that wasn’t balanced is I let teshin kill the grineer Queen

[bronze temple]

Sun, moon, earth.. Anything different if we choice?

[distant tusk]

I don’t even know

[zenith jacinth]

Helminth says a different line based on it

[zenith jacinth]

Earth?

I'm fairly certain neutral has nothing on it...

[zenith jacinth]

Example: mine says something like "This demon walks the shadow's edge", which is neutral (maybe neutral with a bit more moon, not sure)

[distant tusk]

I was reading through teshins wiki page when I saw this, what is a pseudo-Tenno?

[wicked iron]

Just something Tyl called Teshin.

The Dax were likely the closest warrior group to the Tenno, which is my guess as to why he called Teshin that.

[frail nymph]

Because Teshin looks like a wannabe Tenno when you realise a former Tenno enemy (Dax) is now teaching the Tenno

Basically Teshin is the only non-Tenno who is so much on the side of the Tenno, other than Lotus

[rain otter]

He is the last Alive Dax other then the one in Maroos Bazzar.

[scarlet basalt]

i hope we can rush enemies with the kaithe.
Like it has a horn,make use of it 😎 ?

[dreamy turtle]

https://youtu.be/50eMFRB8QjQ

wao, ordis really did that

[tough ermine]

Hi hello I’m new to the server

[distant tusk]

Wow

[molten oxide]

Got some interesting dialog from pazuul, asking for forgiveness as he has seen the truth too late and that his sister won't forgive him.

[rain otter]

I mean he is.

[autumn turret]

he is a grineer but no longer part of the grineer

[lament axle]

ig you can consider it like being part of the 7 ≠ being a orokin
kahl is, in fact, a grineer clone
but he does not fight for the grineer anymore

[rain otter]

He doesn't fight for the Queens anymore.

[zenith jacinth]

But the 7 were orokin

[jagged sable]

Ye he really did. >_>;;

[rugged ridge]

I just got that for the first time too

It caught me off guard, but it definitely made me a little sad

I wonder if it's new dialogue they snuck in or whether I've just missed it until now

[bold narwhal]

Question for this thread… Does anyone feel the 3 Archons are abomination Warframes seeking to be more than their creators intent? Maybe I’m overthinking things.

[rugged ridge]

Um...this is worrying

[torpid lantern]

Kahl is fine though, so whatever happened didn't hurt him

[supple dagger]

Not khal man😭😭 I’ve grown to like him

Very simple character

[subtle garden]

One of my favourite video is this one : https://youtu.be/Nkpy_cJ-xvg

I just love khal man, I want khal gigachad to be a thing

Like I want it to be canon

[dry magnet]

Imagine playing all this Kahl missons but with a drifter we know from new war with his abilities and what not. I think it would be so much better then playing with ugly clone. and saving all this npc would associated more with his survival part of life…And it would be more significant

[supple dagger]

yooo didnt know this was a thing

[tiny ibex]

why does it matter if he's an ugly close

the idea is that he's special, not under he control of the queens and has the potential to lead more grineer out of their conquest mindset

plus we will get more Drifter actions with Duviri

[cyan crest]

And Kahl's missions make the universe seem bigger cause it's not just the tenno doing every important thing all the time

[dry magnet]

Ok so lets next character we can play be kid from cetus selling masks against worm queen. And not be about warframe and tenno that game is all about that. But hey maybe they can add cooking mini game with moa robots 😏

Or infested dog looking for a bone, I think that can be excellent twist

[tiny ibex]

You can just ignore Kahl missions then

The operator was also rather different than WF core gameplay

So were the open worlds

[lament axle]

yes, what i meant was being orokin did not mean being the tall blue ppl

[zenith jacinth]

The 7... were tall blue people

[lament axle]

oh, i was talking about the orokin society

that's what i meant

[cyan crest]

[zenith jacinth]

...what?

[obtuse gyro]

I guess he's complaining about kahl missions because they dont use tennos or warframes, vlad has made similar levels of "hot takes" before in the past so pay them no mind

[past kiln]

To be fair kahl missions are terrible

[zenith jacinth]

They're good if you like assassin's creed
Or anything other than highspeed power fantasy, really

[past kiln]

No they aren’t

Wow i move at the speed of a crippled operator while going on a glorified scavenger hunt

[zenith jacinth]

They're repetetive, but that's it

[zenith jacinth]

See my first statement

[frail nymph]

Not nearly as tall as Entrati

The bigger palm of an Entrati is like... the size of a whole Tenno

Wonder if that was necessary for their jobs or if it's just an infestation thing

Just an entrati's legs would be longer than a whole frame

[long spade]

Witness lag tab

[zenith jacinth]

Probably the latter

[zenith jacinth]

Ah, same personality as my boi vega taniss, my first lich

[torpid lantern]

Man just insulted Kahl's whole everything 😭
I personally think it's better that we start stepping away from Warframe everything. The world needs to be fleshed out at this point. We need to get to understanding the people the Tenno are protecting and see more of the world than just its violence otherwise what is the point of defending it at all?

[distant tusk]

Like Teko?

Or was it Teso?

[dry magnet]

But biggest impact would be if we are the 1 who is no longer just killing machines and we can be the 1 who can sawed them with a drifter that has been true everything and watching the world in different perspective.

Having just random dude replacing all that is just forced for me. Its sounds good on paper,but if we don’t have a drifter,but we do… so no point in all that

Imagine having main assassin creed character helping the world and then just some random soldier turns out to be saviour.

[obtuse gyro]

not even the case with kahl since he's not "the saviour" but rather a side character doing side missions

[graceful zodiac]

That's not how the dynamic of Warframe works at all on the first place

[zenith jacinth]

It was visa of course

[dry magnet]

I just gave brutal example…

[obtuse gyro]

brutal to logic maybe, but like AtsiaZ said, not how it works

[zenith jacinth]

Assassin's creed characters are known to rely on the help from others, which can often just be random nobodies.
(At least the characters from before the series went into a very fast downward spiral)

[dry magnet]

all this would not be so importand in the end when we get the duviri paradox update 🙂

[zenith jacinth]

Drifter will also be slow without honse

[torpid lantern]

He's not a Savior. Kahl is rescuing his own people. That's EXACTLY how Warframe works and exactly why I said we need more of this. A lot of players miss the details happening behind the scenes.
While Tenno are off doing these crazy complicated missions, there are OTHER people fighting for the friends and comrades.
Some examples: Solaris fight for their freedom. Railjockies defend each other from pirates. Human mercenaries fend off the infestation to keep it from spreading so colonies can escape. Smugglers like Darvo and his gf (forgot her name) trick goods out of greedy corporations to share with people in need. Rebel grineer like Clem free other grineer from enslavement.
Brokers fight for innocent endebted civilians forced into the Index. People like Nora use information to reach imprisoned colonies. Etc.
Heck one lone colonist teenager fought off an entire army of Corpus debt collectors with boobytraps to save his family.

Tenno actually don't do nearly as much as you give them credit for. It's the little guys who are out there saving the people. Most Tenno are just there to keep the warring powers in balance.

[dry magnet]

i understand all this, but this can be also shown with our drifter like him when he didnt have power trying also to save all of them who is not sentients. in order to survive and be more then just kiling machine and even tho he didint have power he trying to do good for everyone

we dont play political or strategy game

we play warframe if you forgot

[zenith jacinth]

Home alone is canon in wf, good to know

[torpid lantern]

One of my biggest complaints with New War is that they elected not to show any of the rebel survivors of Narmer. They hand waved all the Tenno away with "they disappeared" (which I'm praying will be answered in Duviri), but then didn't show a lot of things they could have shown instead.
The only rebel we encountered was Little Duck which felt a little too on the nose convenient since we never see anyone else other that isn't Veiled other than the Drifter.

[torpid lantern]

I didn't forget?? But actually, strategy is how Warframe's fight. If you're looking for more info on this, Cephalon Cordylon is a good resource.
Most Tenno follow the Lotus, and her canon focus is to keep the warring powers in balance. That is why 95% of the game is focused on missions against Grineer, Corpus, and Infested equally. Never to wipe them out, just to keep them in check.
Lotus will rarely instruct the Tenno to defend colonies. Most of the time we actually have Ordis to thank for imploring the Operator to help with something.

As time goes on and the Operator stops relying on the Lotus as much, we've seen them go after the Queens, Save Umbra and now directly challenge and defeat Ballas. But with Lotus back, it's hard to say if they'll continue to break protocol and save others like they did when she wasn't around.

As for Drifter, it doesn't make sense at all to have him saving all these people like you're suggesting. This isn't his universe. He was helping during the time that he and the operator swapped places but now that the Operator is back in their own universe, there's no canonical reason for him to be there. It's nice that DE lets players swap them, but it doesn't hold up with the lore. Drifter should be focused on saving his own world; Breaking Duviri out of Dominus' grasp. And that's likely what Duviri will be about at the end of the quest.

[zenith jacinth]

I wonder if drifter's universe is just completely screwed or if the lack of superpowered children made the orokin find a diplomatic way to deal with the sentients.
Probably the first option tbh.

[jagged sable]

I don't think that's how Eternalism works in the void.
It might be hard for me to put it into words but if I had to choose an analogy.
In the void, I'd think of a timeline as a White Light. and the Crossroads as a Prism.
When you shine a white light through a prism, it separates that light into a rainbow. Each of those timelines happen.
I think the void does exactly that with an Individual's timeline. Separating that one individual's timeline into alternate outcomes.
But that timeline separation doesn't produce alternate timelines outside the void.
....i don't think >_>;

[graceful zodiac]

Drifter would have no idea about getting to save his world in the first place though. He never left the Void and very much hasn't shown an interest in Duviri beyond getting out. As far as he would know, his world is copacetic outside the Void

[zenith jacinth]

There are alternate universes outside of the void, albeit inaccessible

[graceful zodiac]

All the Void does is let you move between realities, though not without Wally facilitating

[torpid lantern]

Not necessarily. Drifter knows more about the alternative realities than any other living individual we've encountered in the game. Most of our knowledge comes from Drifter. Even if they can't void travel back home, they know how to reach Duviri.
Also our conversation is discussing post New War content. While in the opening of Duviri Drifter doesn't seem to show any interest beyond escaping, you gotta consider that Drifter had been trapped in a time loop for years and had grown apathetic to his situation. He didn't know anything could change. However once he found out, he wholeheartedly embraced the chance to change the world.
With the amount of content being poured into Duviri and rumors that it'll be multi-player, it's gotta be because Drifter will return to Duviri to try to save it. There's little other point to go back. He and Op can't exist in the same reality together and since canonically it'd be super unlikely for Operator to just let Drifter steal their place in their own world, Drifter has gotta go back to deal with his own demons

[frail nymph]

We know Drifter goes back though. How else would there be an endless loop?

And how else would Duviri have Warframes?

[graceful zodiac]

Him going back is what's happening now. He hasn't gotten out before

Or particularly, the quest is likely marking the time they successfully get out

[frail nymph]

And that's the point Faeii was making wasn't it...? That Drifter would want to go back there after New War

Early part of what we do in Duviri will be Pre New War without Warframes, and the rest will be post NW with frames

Hmm... Unless Operator is showing up in the Warframe sections

[graceful zodiac]

My point was on the reasons they would still be in our reality. Drifter hasn't shown any interest in trying to change things in Duviri

[frail nymph]

Why would Drifter go back despite having no interests though?

[graceful zodiac]

Likely to compete whatever the loop or change that let him get out was

Complete whatever cosmic circle/agreement is going on

That's given my assumption that the whole into quest is all the stuff that lead to hon getting into Operator reality

[torpid lantern]

Yep

[balmy storm]

They did show interest in changing things in Duviri though, they were very excited when they saw something could change

If they don’t complete their goal of changing things in the intro quest then that’s a good reason, they know things can change

[graceful zodiac]

That excitement is relative to getting out of Duviri, his goal during the Teshin section

[balmy storm]

But that happens before they meet up with Teshin?

They’re excited by the prospect of change, not the prospect of escape

[frail nymph]

Yes but that means the excitement was during the assumption that there's no escape anyway

[graceful zodiac]

That's why it's relative to that. Knowing he can change things means he can get out.

[balmy storm]

Yeah that’s not what I got from that, knowing things can change means that things can be better, not just escape.

[frail nymph]

This whole discussion feels like a moot point, we know that Drifter doesn't end up in Duviri post New War but still goes back.

What else matters?

[autumn turret]

i saw a post the other day about someone really loving the story perspective drusus gives because he's one of the few people we 'talk to' that has no idea what a tenno actually is and is trying to piece together the lore himself from the records he can find

[autumn turret]

ooohh the second elevator you can use the camera to move in the veil factory now has a purpose

[rugged ridge]

I just found a hidden detail in the Orb Vallis; a whole bunch of frozen Solaris corpses in front of a building that looks sort of like Fortuna but maybe abandoned

Very creepy

All the way out here

Ohhh, you know what? I think that's deck 12 😬

It's not very far away from the entrance

[autumn turret]

yep

[steep delta]

Creepy lol

[torpid lantern]

I've never been to deck 12. Eveey time I forget it's something I need to explore.

[autumn turret]

you've not done exploiter?

[torpid lantern]

Nope.
I choose life.

[autumn turret]

its not that bad, bring a friend

i made a nezha build specifically for it that i dub the "damage? whats damage?" build

[torpid lantern]

I have no friends
Or at least none that play warframe anymore. And I'm pretty scared of getting yelled at in pub. I'm notoriously bad at playing

[autumn turret]

good thing there is no pub

because its unlikely for you ever to get matched up with someone randomly

[torpid lantern]

Oh, maybe I mix it up with profit taker?

[autumn turret]

yea

exploiter can be done anytime as long as you got thermia

that should be in pre new war vallis too

[torpid lantern]

Hmm well I know I only fought the big spider once to obtain the segment that lets me use archwing weapons as a frame. I'm not sure which that was.

[autumn turret]

thats pt

[torpid lantern]

Okay

[autumn turret]

well thats stage 3 of pt, not the full boss fight

exploiter is the one that normally wanders the vallis yelling

like
"The disobedient shall NOT be spared the rod. Solaris United: Value the punishment I provide."

[torpid lantern]

Oooooh. I thought she was just there to attack you when you get your thermia.
Quick geology lesson

[autumn turret]

that one is, the boss fight is started in deck 12 and then moves out into the vallis but not by the temple of profit

[torpid lantern]

I'm going to have to Google how to start deck 12

[autumn turret]

theres a thermia dispenser thing that zuud starts talking about when you get near

if you have dilluted thermia that is, and when you interact with it it starts the fight

you should google how to do the fight tho

its not simple and exploiter doesnt really let you figure it out as she just.. fills the area with damage

[torpid lantern]

A friend told me a long time ago that it was an event. Back when I was hiatus for 4 years. I didn't realize it was something we can still do

[autumn turret]

theres a reason why i made a "screw damage" nezha build

[autumn turret]

it was originally an event, same with thermia fractures, now its just gated behind doing thermia fractures (but only for whoever is starting it)

unlike some other 'keyed' stuff it only takes the item from 1 player

[torpid lantern]

I hate thermia fractures. I always die

[autumn turret]

mech is good

[torpid lantern]

They kill my corncobby boi

[autumn turret]

use his.. 3 is it?

[torpid lantern]

The shield?

[autumn turret]

and his 4

yea the shield

[torpid lantern]

Honest i try, but they still kill me. I know a lot about lore but I'm horrible at gameplay

Have to compensate somewhere

[autumn turret]

i farmed it hard once and then have basically just rode off that, i still have 9 thermia to use

[torpid lantern]

Oh is thermia useful for something?

[autumn turret]

its how you start the exploiter fight

you can feed it to helminth but thats a bit of a waste

[torpid lantern]

Oooooooh okay that's what I figured

[autumn turret]

its 5 thermia per helminth feed, which is why im saying its a waste

thats 60,000 vox solaris standing you're feeding to helminth essentially if you do

[torpid lantern]

I hate spiders. Giant chemical spiders that threaten to send me to detention and nuke things with lightning have gotta be my least favorite of all time.

[autumn turret]

well she doesnt use lightning iirc

oh wait no

she does do the lightning web thing i think

[torpid lantern]

[autumn turret]

im usually kinda ignoring her attacks in first phase

and thats the only time she does that

in second phase she has a flame thrower and missiles i think

but you're not usually gonna die to her in phase 2

ok no lightning web

i was thinking the ice slam attack was the lightning web, because its the same outcome different element

[torpid lantern]

I know everyone's super excited for senpai orb of the pond but I'm scared it's going to be a narmer spider.

[autumn turret]

well at this point i feel it cant be anything else

theres even a narmer drone patrolling it

[torpid lantern]

Yay..

[mossy slate]

Second phase is mortar and not missiles i think

[autumn turret]

semantics

[languid torrent]

He's thinking of Grofit Stealer. Exploiter only has a literal ring of fire. And a flammenweffer. And a machine gun... And missiles... And her CHILDREN

[autumn turret]

phase 1 has some other stuff

[languid torrent]

Trying to remember all this stuff. Phase 1 (the part before the open world, right?) usually gows by quick for me.

[autumn turret]

and you're not usually paying attention to the attacks

[languid torrent]

No I'm not, I'm paying attention to wherever the lava is flowing.

Also I'm a Chroma. Damage means nothing to me after a while.

[mossy slate]

MEDICINE. CHILDREN, Mother needs her MEDICINE.

[rancid solar]

If Parvos ever got free of the void do you think he’d be an enemy or more neutral? Personally I think he’d resent the current Corpus and be fond of the workers in Fortuna

[steady gate]

Parvos is free

you described how he actually feels.
I think you forgot all of the Deadlock Protocol past meeting Parvos

[rancid solar]

I haven’t done that quest in a long time. I should replay it so I can watch Nef cry

[distant tusk]

Just 3 more days

[daring blaze]

the duviri paradox this time in coming?

[frail nymph]

3rd March stream will share details

[rancid solar]

the paradox is that it is and isn't coming

[daring blaze]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

[rancid solar]

I kid, I'm looking forward to it. my question is I wonder if it'll lock us in like the last few big quests have

[supple dagger]

should give us fair warning like New War

[rancid solar]

yea I do hope so. I also can't wait to see how buggy the game will be after the update. so many fun glitches come from those

[distant tusk]

Yeah I might give it a week when it releases so they can get the big kinks out

[rancid solar]

same here

[supple dagger]

/unstuck might save us

[dry magnet]

Waiting for 3 years for this duviri update,it would be a shame if have some big bugs…

[wicked iron]

Now there's an interesting thought... How would Ballas have souped up the last Orb...

[dry magnet]

And reason for waiting for this long is also have to do with ps and xbox getting everything right on same day as PC because its a cross play. If that whos not a thing we would probably have this update on PC at least much sooner…

[distant tusk]

I’m glad they are waiting

[wicked iron]

That's really a guess, at best. We don't know, though.

[dry magnet]

Yes im just guessing but it makes sense because before all that we were getting much faster big updates then we are getting now

[dry magnet]

As long as it worth while at the end

[wicked iron]

Not really. Look how long The New War took to come out.

[dry magnet]

I think even back then is when they start experimenting getting update for all not just PC so its almost same thing even then

[torpid lantern]

I'm so exciterrified. It's been almost 4 years since the Tennocon reveal and it's what brought me back to Warframe. I hope my expectations aren't too high

[wicked iron]

Brought you back? You had quit before, I guess?

Or just a long break, I guess. XD

[distant tusk]

I CANT WAIIIIT

[torpid lantern]

Truthful i only joined Warframe to impress a guy that I liked. Eventually I couldn't keep up with it and left. But I came back because the Duviri trailer spurred him to make a new roleplay server for WF and he invited me to join.
From that point, I really dug into the lore so I could write better. Ended up hooked and now I'm the owner of the server since he no longer plays. So in a weird way, Duviri will be kinda full circle for me

[wicked iron]

Ohhhh, gotcha. I hope it will live up to your expectations!

[distant tusk]

Well I’m glad your here

[torpid lantern]

Awwh, me too Baron

[distant tusk]

Should I start considering names for my kaithe?

[torpid lantern]

I did get to ask the DE team a couple years ago on a Devstream about the Operator and their future. Steve didn't say too much but it's been giving hope that there'll be more

[wicked iron]

[torpid lantern]

This was I think 2020?

[wicked iron]

That's pretty cool. 😄

[distant tusk]

Wait I know

Garyl

[wicked iron]

I'm going to name mine... Seahorse!

[torpid lantern]

Reb really liked my question xD
We've seen a few changes since then combat wise but not too much. I'd ask about melee and lots of other things. Maybe Duviri was the secret answer all along

[wicked iron]

Lol

[torpid lantern]

AAAAHHH I'm making the nervexcitement worse

[wicked iron]

Might I suggest some cooling air with a wonderful trip to Deck 12 and the surprise guest within? 😛

[torpid lantern]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[wicked iron]

Then perhaps a trip to our favorite family on Deimos? XD

[torpid lantern]

Eeeeeee

No infestation. No spiders. No giant blue noodle arms. Nonono!

[wicked iron]

Maybe some kids hiding in vents?

[distant tusk]

Clem.

[wicked iron]

Gah. I can't wait for the Dev stream and hopefully to go to TennoCon in person this year!

[distant tusk]

Has in person been confirmed?

[torpid lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-better-name-pending-bnp-steve-emotional-abuse-gif-24791942

[wicked iron]

That's what I am hoping will happen in the dev stream.

We shall see, though.

[distant tusk]

Ah

[wicked iron]

Gotta love the energy. 😛

[torpid lantern]

I'll name mine either Kelpie or Thestral. Leaning towards the latter since it has wings

[distant tusk]

Good idea

Ok probably doing garyl

After the best binocorn

[wicked iron]

I'm going with Seahorse because The Void has been likened to an ocean a few times, as I recall.

[distant tusk]

Aaaah

That’s funny

[swift olive]

Kaithie Perry?

[dry magnet]

What do you all think we can expect from tennocon, then some duviri drifer expending something on that similar direction from things we can do outside that world… But after duviri,for me i don’t think it’s important what to expect as long is duviri good.What you all hoping next to see in tennocon? open world map or something totally different? Or maybe nothing special but just something about duviri directions?

[tiny ibex]

I am hoping Narmer get expanded upon more

maybe a new full tileset dedicated to em

the open world bounty execution they got right now feels a little janky

the hunt is nice but more of a weekly done an dusted activity

maybe a new Narmer ship tileset or some special Murex where we can fight em more consistently and see sentients more often as enemies

[wicked iron]

I honestly don't know what else I'm looking forward to, since I think Duviri should launch before TennoCon if they're able to get it out even only a bit late (since they said winter 22-23). If it's next month or even April, I have no idea what to expect next lol

[autumn turret]

same tbh

as what comes after duviri.. is new war

[pulsar lily]

I may sound dumb as this came from reddit but he's supposedly "us"?

[autumn turret]

what gives you that idea

[pulsar lily]

reddit

[autumn turret]

ok and founded on what evidence?

[pulsar lily]

hence why I'm asking the same dumb question

[autumn turret]

so since no evidence or support was given the answer is no

[swift olive]

Well, the drifter uses the same mask (2019 trailer and 2022 tennocon demo) and in the demo the npc's refer the drifter as their king

But we'll have to wait and see how that works out

[dry magnet]

I whose thinking the same thing about that King over and over again. Maybe we become the king after we kill that women with a mask on a throne.

But then again why we would want to live that place back to the reality

[wicked iron]

Isn't Dominus portrayed as a man? Or did I miss something?

[autumn turret]

yes

im not sure why he said woman..

there is only 1 woman shown in the soon to be released duviri

[dry magnet]

Whell yea that woman that controling us from the start in duviri.

[autumn turret]

....what

[swift olive]

The singing lady, perhaps?

[dry magnet]

On a throne with here fist

She is a women rights?

[graceful zodiac]

...no

[swift olive]

Dominus Thrax? no

[dry magnet]

But sounds like

[autumn turret]

no they sound like a child

[dry magnet]

And looks like

Hmm

[autumn turret]

no

[graceful zodiac]

They do not

[swift olive]

no, he just sounds like a child

[dry magnet]

🤔

[autumn turret]

also KINGS ARE MALE

[graceful zodiac]

Acts like a child more than sounds

[swift olive]

hmm true

[dry magnet]

So kid is on throne controling us every time we go dead

[graceful zodiac]

Dominus is the reset, yes

[dry magnet]

Hmm

[swift olive]

Yes, he resets the day and things change depending on his mood

[dry magnet]

Little disappointing main boss is a kid

[graceful zodiac]

They just act like a child

They're likely still a full grown man, which is still worse

[autumn turret]

thrax controls duviri

[dry magnet]

Ok dude with women’s voice

[autumn turret]

i feel like thats not as likely as you think

[dry magnet]

Michel jakson

[autumn turret]

it really isnt

[graceful zodiac]

That's still not a women's voice

[dry magnet]

I need to watch it again 😅

[balmy storm]

Not always

[dusky barn]

Was Voruna carrying her Tenno at the end of her Levirian entry?

[autumn turret]

i havent read it directly but from what ive heard of it woulnt it be the child that was to be used in tuvul's continuity?

[dusky barn]

Yes, but do you think that child might have been her Tenno?

Edit: Wording

[autumn turret]

no

as she would have been controlled by her tenno

[wicked iron]

Yes, I believe that was the implication.

The way the scene was described was much the same as what we saw in The Second Dream when we found ourselves.

[autumn turret]

i will reiterate that i havent read it yet myself so maybe the wording in the leverian can sway my opinion

ill check it out tommorow after i get garuda

[wicked iron]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Leverian

The scene description is too near what happens in The Second Dream for it to not be the Tenno operating Voruns, I think.

[autumn turret]

i like looking at the leverian after getting the frame is all

[wicked iron]

Oh, gotcha. Sorry!

[autumn turret]

dont worry about it

i really need to read ash's i havent gotten around to it

[formal knoll]

The second part of the archon fight makes me rage the moment they show up they are doing their bs attack

Like bruh where am I even suppose to shoot when Boreal turns into a disco ball and starts screaming like wth

And the Sentients he summons with the orange chest things is annoying as hell to kill cause apparently aoe weapons don’t do well against them 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

And there is NO TIME to dps the damn thing cause literally it’ll do it’s bs attacks every 5 seconds and the damage attenuation is already at the point where even is there is a sliver of health left, the window for you to damage it is so short Boreal does like 10 more bs attacks

[autumn turret]

shotguns still do well against them

i really need to change my khek to rad

[formal knoll]

Rad Hek is worse than a toxin one tbh

[autumn turret]

not for archon

i find hek generally underwhelming despite all the hype too

[formal knoll]

I honestly would’ve preferred the archons to be like Saturn 6 Wolf or the new Sprag fight

Cause the archon bs attacks are just too bs

The Sentients ahhHhhhhGSHDHHDHDH

[autumn turret]

they're not really bs though im not 100% sure what you do with boreal turning to a discoball, i think its shooting him with an amp from inside his ball

i really should check the wiki at some point

[formal knoll]

the only way other than using amp for the disco ball is when I shot it with Redeemer and that works apparently but not any other weapon

And so I have to resort to using amp

[autumn turret]

it'd help if i actually fought boreal as drifter im sure

[formal knoll]

I don’t think there’s a difference between them

[autumn turret]

ah its literally just attacking him at all from in the sphere

[formal knoll]

[autumn turret]

it doesnt help the sphere pushes you out

[formal knoll]

Would be nice if I can walk into the circle without being pushed out

[autumn turret]

obviously just use titania

[formal knoll]

Can they just copy mario galaxy bosses and call it a day

Just make a boss with weak spots on their hands or something I’m tired of the sentient bs

[autumn turret]

god no. weakspot bosses are just.. so bad in warframe

also you were literally just complaining about an enemy that has a weakspot

[formal knoll]

I wouldn’t mind weakspots if you know, it was easy to understand

Like who knows what to do when boreal starts screaming

[autumn turret]

the sentients you were complaining about is literally obvious blue jars

im not talking about when boreal has a blue ball around him. thats not a weak spot

[formal knoll]

[formal knoll]

I literally only figured out the jars were the weak spots recently cause I’ve just been shooting them with amp

[autumn turret]

aoe and weakspots do not mix in wf's damage logic

if the aoe touches anything not a weak spot it will not do the damage

[formal knoll]

Also it doesn’t help that when they spawn there’s this grey orb effect that happens when you damage them and it just blocks what’s visible

[autumn turret]

its definately much harder to tell whats going on with lots of people who do

because i did spend 90% of this hunt just shooting where i knew the jars were instead of actually seeing them

i wonder if the visuals got worse at some point too

i swear their deflection stuff was a bit more clear and less smoky

[mossy slate]

I hate that thung with a passion

The other summons from the other archons are fine since they can die easier, but not that thing

[vital creek]

drifter has a far better roll, but thats it

[formal knoll]

I noticed that drifter can roll but can’t slide, and for operator it’s the opposite. Weird

[autumn turret]

no other way, op slides for roll, drifter rolls

because drifter moreso uses the warframe skeleton than the operator skeleton

[balmy storm]

They have different hitboxes too, right?

[autumn turret]

i much prefer the feel of the slide, and id imagine so

i really need to get around to making all the operator clothes at some point

i wish zariman had an armorset / operator clothing

[balmy storm]

I wish we could have similar clothes to what the Zariman crew have

[autumn turret]

...dude i cant believe you posted it here..

[autumn turret]

when was the broken veil shoulder armor added?

[near rune]

I'm assuming in Veilbreaker

[autumn turret]

i somehow missed it when it was added

[near rune]

Yup, it's in the patch notes for Update 32: "The Broken Veil Shoulder Armor is here! Declare that your vision will not be clouded when you wear this armor. Find it in the in-game Market!"

It's very far down, almost at the end, so it's not a surprise that you missed it.

[autumn turret]

at the end of the content additions?

because i assume its above bug fixes list

[near rune]

It's like, right above the bug fixes. It's under "General additions", which is a short section above "General changes" and then optimisation/fixes.

[autumn turret]

ok

[dry magnet]

2 more days

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-shimmy-shaquille-o-neal-dance-dancing-gif-3531010

[rugged ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/hype-thrusters-activated-anime-gif-10498452

[quaint kiln]

Is Rell the one who haunts you after Chains of Harrow?

[flat shadow]

No

[quaint kiln]

I see. Was asking because it happened to me after I beat the quest

[flat shadow]

Players often call him Wally

[quaint kiln]

Ah, okay

[rancid solar]

You also see Wally’s true form at the end of New War

[distant tusk]

2 days

[graceful zodiac]

You don't. End of New War is just another construction

[terse gyro]

Was that confirmed somewhere?

Also how very, very interesting. Turns out that when an air support-summoned Kahl kills enemies with his Grattler, it counts towards the Nightwave challenge where you need to kill enemies with an Arch-gun.

[zenith jacinth]

During an art panel of some devstream

[thick jolt]

Art pannel of last years tennocon

[balmy storm]

I hope we see the big hand at some point

[supple dagger]

Too bad I have school on that day:/

[dry magnet]

And luckily im coming home from work just on time when its all starts 😄

[wicked iron]

I am so ready for Friday. 😮

[balmy storm]

Same

[balmy storm]

Set up the stream on a device at home so you can still get the drop!

[supple dagger]

I don’t really care about the drops tbh. I only care about the gameplay that they’re gonna showcase, so hopefully I have a chance to watch it during school or something lol

[balmy storm]

But
Umbra Forma-

[supple dagger]

Nah I already have plenty of those so it’s fineee

[balmy storm]

Valid

[supple dagger]

Mhmhmhm

[flat shadow]

I'm just as excited for the Duviri news as the forma.

[zenith jacinth]

I hope it's a nintendo-style "And it releases... after this stream!" with duviri

[wicked iron]

We have had releases like that before. 😄 I guess we'll see, though lol

[autumn turret]

yea, just not many

i dont remember what all has

i remember hearing rj was.. and well it was rj

[flat shadow]

Would be nice. They have done that before, but I can't remember which release it was

I think they have stopped doing that, though. Friday releases are hard.

[vital creek]

On the one hand that would be cool, on the other hand... bugs would be interesting

[tender aurora]

Guys did they announce the cross save?

[steady gate]

not yet

[flat shadow]

We might get an update Friday. But won't be a date or anything. Cross play needs to be feature complete before cross save can be released.

[rain otter]

i like RJ now

but it was bad on release

but shRUg

[balmy storm]

Can confirm, RJ is good now
On release it was the most glitchy I’ve ever seen Warframe

[rain otter]

I agree.

[autumn turret]

i like rj now too, im just saying on release it was.. a hazard to health

[rain otter]

Yeah

[autumn turret]

i also didnt ever experience release release rj

i only started playing at the start of covid

[dry magnet]

Remember that feeling when we seen Cetus open world for the first time it whose unbelievable and amazing at the same time,for me at least. Im expecting similar excitement if not even more from this Duviri world on the devstream. I mean wat can go wrong? 🤔

After all there is not that many game in that cool directio and setting.

[distant tusk]

One more day

[solid wind]

new article came out on duviri

it’ll release in april

[frail nymph]

I'm not sure if I'd want that kind of hype...

Don't mean that more hype is bad, but rather the type of hype. PoE Tennocon showed a lot of detail to set our expectations, from taking about everything from bounties to mining... And yet many people think it was somewhat a disappointment because it wasn't a literally Zelda style open world despite Tennocon showing otherwise

[distant tusk]

I won’t believe that until the devstream

[dry magnet]

from where?

[wicked iron]

PC Gamer.

[distant tusk]

Couldn’t relate

[dry magnet]

Little disappointing if that’s the case

[wicked iron]

I don't know about the release date bit, but there is a 16-page thing on Warframe in the latest PC Gamer, it seems. 😄

[dry magnet]

yea looks like it,2 bad i cant see it what is about... 🙂

[dry magnet]

I love how this new duviri face have similar shape as my face… and I can’t wait to try it on my Drifter

[wicked iron]

I honestly don't know what 1 thing I am most excited about from Duviri Paradox... I think just "all of it."

[dry magnet]

Me 2 😅

[autumn turret]

I know ill be really excited about some minor patch that i see in the patch notes probably

[wicked iron]

Oh?

[zenith jacinth]

Same

[autumn turret]

it just usually happens that theres some minor thing that fixes something or adds some qol in the final patch notes that im really really glad was added

[wicked iron]

Ahh, gotcha. 🙂

[steady gate]

I can’t wait to see
Sheev; Attack speed increased from .667 to .668

[molten oxide]

I'm wondering if we'll get teshin's swords as a warframe weapon afterwards as well to use the swords outside Duviri, duel Nikanas

[dry magnet]

Just imagine adding old clothing from opetator to be able to use on drifter + beards new faces new hairstyles and + new outfits for drifters combined with his new skill tree sword farming horse and who knows what not. We can be in situations to play all this for months

Like some totally different game

[wicked iron]

I think we have a skin for the Nikana that looks like Teshin's already.

[molten oxide]

Yes the Dax skin

[autumn turret]

well getting the dual ninkana thing tho would be neat

[zenith jacinth]

Dual nikanas would be cool

I still want dual blade zaws

[fathom oasis]

Would like to see some Narmer themed skins or maybe even a frame

[zenith jacinth]

Sentient skins exist

And even a frame

Narmer is orokin+sentients, so slap the narmer color palette on a prime and there's a narmer frame

[autumn turret]

narmer themed skins would.. basically just the additions that the narmer enemies gun's have

[zenith jacinth]

Protovyre ephemera

[fathom oasis]

Talking about the deacon’s design. Harrow with a veil or the helmet was what comes to mind

[zenith jacinth]

White harrow graxx but with a veil

[fathom oasis]

A neutered veil helmet for frames

[zenith jacinth]

There's a broken veil shoulder armor

[fathom oasis]

Universal veil masks for warframes kinda like the mustaches

[zenith jacinth]

That'd be cool

[cyan crest]

A veil/broken veil for operator/drifter would be kinds cool

[autumn turret]

why would we?

[swift olive]

I don't think we'd really need it after tomorrow

[cyan crest]

Besides we can't discuss them here

[autumn turret]

no pc gamer employee would not want to lose their job for leaking any unreleased materials they have

[heavy pollen]

Ayo wouldn’t it be dope if someone actually created a club on here called club vallas with a live dj

[dry magnet]

The wait is over tenno

To day is the day

[frail nymph]

You say that but I'm still waiting

[dry magnet]

Patience young Skywalker

This is the easy part,the hard part is if we like what we seen and im shore we will. Then the hard part is to wait for update to come… 😁

[supple dagger]

both are hard

[dry magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/gotosleep-gotobed-sleep-tight-goodnight-gif-19297898

And time will go faster 😁

[distant tusk]

Todays the day

[dry magnet]

Whos eren ?

😁

We got female frames so next upcoming frames and deluxe skins are next for male frames? 🤔

Cool maybe 1 would be in some duviri vibe and direction

[swift olive]

Xaku Deluxe?

[bright kettle]

whats up with the 8 gb update?

duviri ?

[swift olive]

Yea, DE already added in a bunch Duviri-related assets in advance

[bright kettle]

oooh so the wepaons

[swift olive]

Yes, for example. We'll likely see (some of) those during the devstream

[distant tusk]

YAY

I CANT WAIT

[swift olive]

I'm even more excited about the devstream now, after reading the pcgamer article about Duviri

[distant tusk]

I haven’t seen it yet

I’m avoiding all spoilers till the stream because they will talk about stuff that will for sure be in it

[swift olive]

We'll see. I wouldn't recommend reading the article now, because we're much closer to the devstream than yesterday.

The first impression of this information would better be experienced through a stream, rather than through text

[bright kettle]

when do you think we can expect the devstream ? Monday ?

[swift olive]

No, the stream will be live in little less than 6 hours

Make sure to link your Twitch account properly to get the umbra forma drop, by the way

[bright kettle]

sorry I meant duviri

my bad , brain fart

[graceful zodiac]

There's no way to tell until this devstream

It's likely not until halfway through March or so

[swift olive]

They'll announce it during the devstream, considering the release month has already been stated in the pcgamer article

Let's just wait for the devstream

[desert lintel]

Whaaaaat

[dry magnet]

I seen some 1 post it that is on April but i whose really hoping is this month

But knowing we are not that lucky so probably is going to be end of next month

(Update)

[dry magnet]

Good point but no, im expecting little less fragile. And little more badass

Is devstream starting early in like 3h?

[swift olive]

No, the stream is still scheduled to go live in around 5 hours

[dry magnet]

Ok so same time like always

[distant tusk]

Bruh I’ll miss the first 19min

School

[dry magnet]

Live school and come join us to the dark side

[distant tusk]

My teacher will probably be chill with me tho

[rancid solar]

I’m still in the mindset that the stalker is either just an emo Tenno that ran away from home to live with Space Grandpa. Or he’s a frame like Umbra that kept his sentience and he hates us for taking down the Orokin. Either way it’s also pretty chill of hunhow to give us such fun toys like the War and Nataruk

[lament axle]

same lol

[zenith jacinth]

Stalker talks of the tenno as a seperate thing from himself, so I personally believe that he's an umbra-like frame

[distant tusk]

Almost there

Just like 3ish hours

[wicked iron]

Hunhow's lines in The Second Dream make it seem more like he is a Tenno to me, though. "You still hate them, you still hate yourself," after the bit about asking himself if he is one of those wretched things.

[zenith jacinth]

Hunhow pretty much only just met him and could be trying to manipulate him

[frail nymph]

Hunhow was also wrong about Warframes in general

[distant tusk]

2 hours

[white thistle]

So uh, how long do we need to watch to obtain the Umbra forma? and can you get only up to 1? Not sure i'll be able to watch the whole stream 😭

Definitely going to watch after they upload it

[autumn turret]

should be 45mins

[white thistle]

Righty! 45 min as usual, Thank you ^^

[dry magnet]

in just 1h and 30min

[swift olive]

In <t:1677870000:R>

[distant tusk]

Yay

[swift olive]

You can also check the time in the server event

[frail nymph]

Nooo not the 3d cat aaaaaaaaa

[distant tusk]

1 hour

[dry magnet]

30min

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-waiting-still-waiting-gif-13052487

[distant tusk]

Beat me to it

[dry magnet]

😁

[dire kraken]

every day i love zariman more and more

it is way more fun to repeatedly play than most other parts of the game

idk exactly why

[distant tusk]

10min

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-titanic-gif-25999423

[dry magnet]

It whos cool and i love new Drifter outfits that are coming

[rain otter]

Okay so how the Drifter connects to the new Game is

[autumn turret]

its where he's been for most of the time after the zariman crashed

[rain otter]

So this person in the current Intro cinematic we don't know who it is. Is the Drifter.

[distant tusk]

I couldn’t tell, could you customize your kaithes wings?

[balmy storm]

That’s an Operator

[autumn turret]

its an operator

[zenith jacinth]

No, it's basically the "placeholder" operator

[graceful zodiac]

We do know who that is. It's Mara

[rain otter]

Thats the answer. You are gonna like Start the Operators story cuz its a Paradox.

[rain otter]

She literally like disappears away.

[autumn turret]

yes, because thats what you can do as an operator
its void mode

you can literally see her outline iirc

[rain otter]

Also she is in a place that isn't the same place as the place we start it does like flash backs and all the things.

[balmy storm]

It sounds like you’ll play the intro quest to Warframe then get the decision to do the Paradox or not

[rain otter]

That's not what they said.

[lament axle]

if this was the actual plot, my brain would collapse

[rain otter]

Also i think my idea is correct but shRug.

[balmy storm]

They did, it was the Paradox and Vor’s prize, that’s the diverging path for new players.

[rain otter]

IT'S A PARADOX THAT FOLDDS IN ON ITSELF

[zenith jacinth]

Chill

[rain otter]

I am chill.

[autumn turret]

theres no support for it tho

its very clearly just an operator

[balmy storm]

^

[graceful zodiac]

We know Mara being Drifter doesn't really work

[rain otter]

ShRug

[lament axle]

ye, that's why we got hayden drifter (or pedro pascal if you will)

[autumn turret]

them dissapearing is because void mode

it literally makes the operator invis

[graceful zodiac]

The only thing it being a paradox affects is the Order of operations for play, not story

We know for the story Drifter only pops out after NW Act 1

[balmy storm]

I mean
It’ll effect the order of operations for story, but only for the Paradox
Either now or later

[autumn turret]

but actual timeline

[balmy storm]

Actual timeline, no it doesn’t effect it

[autumn turret]

drifter doesnt come to realspace until after new war act 1

[zenith jacinth]

Nvm

Using nw to abbreviate the new war confuses me

Because NightWave

[balmy storm]

I wonder if they’ll show stats for how many new players choose the Paradox over Vor’s Prize

[autumn turret]

tnw is the more appropirate shorthand

[zenith jacinth]

Is older, is registered as nw in my brain

[wispy stag]

so in the new war remember the drifter jumping into a warframe the first time and they say like riding a bike

[autumn turret]

they actually relate it to riding a horse

[wispy stag]

thats what i meant lol

[autumn turret]

and "cant be harder than"

[wispy stag]

so its like he hasnt used a warframe before

[dire kraken]

its a paradox

[balmy storm]

All of what we saw in the devstream was post-war Drifter

[wispy stag]

will we get into pre war drifter?

[balmy storm]

That’s the intro quest

[autumn turret]

yes, though i think we will be seeing the warframe gameplay in the quest

[wispy stag]

from the gameplay trailer it showed them getting stabbed and then the hand fell but the hand was cut first and then stabbed

[balmy storm]

Pre-War Drifter doesn’t have transference so idk about that
But we’ll see next month!

[autumn turret]

yea but i feel like its not going to be actual transference anyway

[lament axle]

that could be either travel time or the "paradox" of duviri acting

[autumn turret]

you're not using transference for maw fishing it sounded like

[lament axle]

(i personally believe in travel time but anyways)

[balmy storm]

Or you are because it’s post war Drifter

[wispy stag]

feels like duviri is going opposite time

well you have to be on the control pad so no not traditional transference

[autumn turret]

well they immediately talked about how you dont have it after doing maw fishing

[balmy storm]

Yeah idk
We’ll see

[wispy stag]

from my perspective it looks like the drifter in duviri starts when new war ends

[balmy storm]

They have Transference but maybe Maw Fishing is different

[supple dagger]

The hand probably just took a while to get to Duviri. And as it was getting there, that’s when drifter and op both got stabbed

[wispy stag]

if her hand showed up so should the rest of her body

and i think we would be able to find it to bring it out of the void and into the drifter camp

[balmy storm]

We’ll probably see a near death Lotus in the intro quest

[supple dagger]

Yea for sure

[zenith jacinth]

"It"?

I hope you're only talking about the hand with that

[wispy stag]

it being her body

[hexed ember]

did they say that the drifter intrinsics... were duviri only

[balmy storm]

Drifter is Duviri only for now

[autumn turret]

drifter being anything other than a reskinned operator is duviri only

[hexed ember]

so it's basically the incarnon stuff for outside duviri and thats it

[autumn turret]

that we know of

[balmy storm]

Or Duviri Drifter specifically, meaning the Melee combat, intrinsics, horse

[hexed ember]

alright

[autumn turret]

there will probably be more that we havent seen

[hexed ember]

at least i get to dress up my dude

[supple dagger]

Didn’t they say that your Warframe and drifter both share intrinsics in Duviri?

[autumn turret]

the new fashion is big pog

[hexed ember]

they share boons

[autumn turret]

the decrees

[balmy storm]

We may see full Drifter outside Duviri down the road though and with how much people will probably ask for it it’s bound to happen eventually
Hopefully-

[autumn turret]

which only apply for that 1 run

[balmy storm]

^

[supple dagger]

Oh alright

[hexed ember]

drifter being this much of a seperate character may make new war drifter/operator decision a little weird feeling

[autumn turret]

i cant wait for the new fashion

[hexed ember]

but i really dun wanna be a little boy either way

[autumn turret]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/555123360690995200/1081304437752086529/DrifterSuit2.jpg

[balmy storm]

I can’t wait to explore Duviri, I’m headin’ straight for the caves

[autumn turret]

this suit is sick

[supple dagger]

I wish they showed more of Dominus but oh well:/

[autumn turret]

we'll get plenty of him in the quest im sure

[balmy storm]

It’ll definitely change how people decide

[wispy stag]

you think dominus is one of the seven

[balmy storm]

No.

[autumn turret]

if he's anything he was formerly someone on the zariman probably

if not just a completely always void entity

[supple dagger]

Dominus is Dominus, duh

[balmy storm]

None of the Seven would have been aboard the Zariman, since we know that thanks to Tuvul they abandoned it

[hexed ember]

like, I wonder if it'll feel even less fitting to be drifter in that decision, or more

[lament axle]

if dominus thrax is, you know, a thrax, ig they wouldn't even be human

[balmy storm]

Considering Dominus seems to be a child I won’t be surprised if we learn they were a baby born during the void jump failure

[wispy stag]

oooo

[lament axle]

that'd be a nice plot

[wispy stag]

maybe not a baby but def a younger child

[autumn turret]

thrax seem to be corrupted grineer, at least the ones that show up in realspace are

[wispy stag]

and the npc are all orokin with their long arms

[dry magnet]

i just dont like we dont have some Drifter town for our players...

[lament axle]

yeah, but their descriptions tells us they're void manifestations so...

[supple dagger]

Wellll there’s also that one statement said by Drusus that the “Venomous Thrax” is apparently a monster in like Orokin bedtime stories sooo

[balmy storm]

A child using a name from a bedtime story?
Seems plausible to me

[hexed ember]

maybe the thrax refers a lot more to the ghost-y part...

[supple dagger]

Yep and maybe he just loves the word Thrax so much that he names all his forces after it lol

[wispy stag]

and the corrupted come from somewhere

[balmy storm]

Exactly

Them being corrupted void manifestations might just be due to them traveling from Duviri to Realspace

Iirc the Thrax Grineer units we see are Orokin era Grineer too
Did we see any Grineer in the devstream?

[supple dagger]

I think we saw some Corruped Grineer in the Undercroft place

[balmy storm]

Were they new units or old ones?
I thought they said but I don’t remember

[zenith jacinth]

I couldn't see anything except a thrax there, they all died too quickly

[autumn turret]

there was standard corrupted in the undercroft i think

[balmy storm]

Interesting

[supple dagger]

Yea they said there were some new enemies but they didn’t show them unfortunately

[balmy storm]

Same
I was trying to get a good look at the shadow demons they fought in Duviri but they killed them too fast ):

[autumn turret]

and yea its orokin era grineer with an orokin era grineer weapon (the aeolak)

[wispy stag]

those shadows reminded me of rell

[balmy storm]

Aeolak pre-jump skin when

[zenith jacinth]

Shadow demons?

[supple dagger]

Those shadows look a lot like children tbh

[autumn turret]

mayber when duviri releases

[balmy storm]

While in Duviri they fought some shadow people

[autumn turret]

it was originally for a "duviri bundle"

[balmy storm]

I remember that!

[autumn turret]

along with a sword in that same metallic style

[balmy storm]

I hope we get that sword

[autumn turret]

i think that as the 2018? tennocon

wherever they originally showed duviri

[balmy storm]

2019

[zenith jacinth]

I hope we get dual nikanas

[balmy storm]

Duviri was first shown in 2019

[autumn turret]

it was before i started playing again

[balmy storm]

https://youtu.be/8DObN_3ha6M

[autumn turret]

i started again in 2020

[hexed ember]

2019 yes

[balmy storm]

I was playing then, it was so rad to see Duviri

[zenith jacinth]

I am so excited for everything that duviri will have

[balmy storm]

It’s kinda wild for me, I started playing after Hildryn was released and now she’s getting her prime…
And by June Wisp should have hers
I’m old

[autumn turret]

one interesting thing is that stalker had a customize button, though i wonder if that will be just for modding

[wispy stag]

the game has been out for 10 years

[autumn turret]

i originally played around octavia/harrow's release i believe

[balmy storm]

I’m more interested in how or why they’re even there

[zenith jacinth]

Beards, good clothes, drifter not just standing around awkwardly and motionless

[graceful zodiac]

It's not our Stalker anyways

[balmy storm]

I really hope that because Stalker is there they’ll finally tackle Stalker’s lore after the Gardening update

[zenith jacinth]

I'm 100% gonna use the noble set

[balmy storm]

And we know that how?

[supple dagger]

I think we can all agree that these are 2 different Orowyrms right?

[wispy stag]

theres the orowyrm and then the lindwyrm or something

[autumn turret]

the first image seems to be a stage show of the events

[balmy storm]

One seems to be for a performance while the other is the one we fight

[zenith jacinth]

There's only orowyrm

[wispy stag]

it had a name in the trailer

[zenith jacinth]

That's the name of the creature type

[lament axle]

i started playing in the meantime between yareli and caliban so... i'm gonna have to wait some time lol

[zenith jacinth]

Lodunn

[graceful zodiac]

Like they said, Duviri is a place of timey wimey, this Stalker is just from somewhere else, somehow

[wispy stag]

thats it

[lament axle]

yeah, lodun is it's name

[balmy storm]

Lodunn is the name iirc
Orowyrm is the “species”

[autumn turret]

it had a different name up till recently

[balmy storm]

I mean
That’s a good guess,

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah, I feel like creature type fits better ngl

[autumn turret]

we'll see

but i guess we're finally getting 'stalker mode'

[zenith jacinth]

[autumn turret]

there was no way we were ever getting actual stalker mode

[balmy storm]

“An ally from an unknown time and place. Stalker is a powerful force within the shadows.”

[wispy stag]

what if the drifter takes a darker path and becomes the stalker as a hate filled resentment to the ones that escaped

[balmy storm]

Stalker spin off title when

[balmy storm]

This is the description we got for Stalker fyi

[wispy stag]

the stalker was good at one point until the fall of the seven

[zenith jacinth]

He was a supporter of the orokin

[balmy storm]

I sure wouldn’t call that “good”

[frail nymph]

So yeah more like Stalker was not an enemy at one point

[zenith jacinth]

Exactly

[wispy stag]

and what exaclty made the tenno turn against them

[balmy storm]

So playable Stalker probably isn’t ours

[frail nymph]

Stalker turned against the Tenno because Tenno killed ended the Orokin empire

[balmy storm]

Because the Orokin suck and ruined our lives amongst thousands if not billions of others.

[zenith jacinth]

Probably the orokin killing the tenno's collective adoptive mother

[wispy stag]

i remember reading something about octavias drums and ordin karris attacking them before he became ordis

[graceful zodiac]

The Orokin being PoS in general

[balmy storm]

We could arguably blame the Orokin for killing our entire family, yes not directly but they willingly did not help the Zariman people.

[frail nymph]

Basically everyone ingame agrees the Orokin had it coming

[balmy storm]

I’m still a little mad we didn’t get to kill Tuvul
But I am glad we know how he died

[zenith jacinth]

The naga drums and ordan are completely unrelated

[frail nymph]

Yup the Ordan story could've been centuries before the rebellion, any time during Old War

[zenith jacinth]

Ordan was such a gigachad

Going out trying to kill the immoral "immortal" people he worked for for so long

[balmy storm]

Makes sense why we’re friends

[autumn turret]

we killed the orokin to the beat of the naga drums

[balmy storm]

I hope we get to see that depicted one day

[wispy stag]

how did he get the neck bone blades?

[balmy storm]

If they ever do a Warframe show I hope it shows just how awful the Orokin was
And shows the moment we rebelled.

[autumn turret]

thats just a thing his clan does

[frail nymph]

Ritual. The bone shards were removed from his leg/s and shoved into his neck

[zenith jacinth]

It's just E1M1 playing throughout the entire fall of the empire

[balmy storm]

[autumn turret]

btw the naga drums is the current login music

[zenith jacinth]

Wat

[balmy storm]

Wait fr?
Okay I kinda love that-

[wispy stag]

well that makes sense now

[autumn turret]

its the original login music

[balmy storm]

Our rebellious anthem

[zenith jacinth]

So the default login is the music that the tenno committed genocide to?

[balmy storm]

I can’t wait to overthrow ANOTHER Orokin dictator in the Duviri Paradoz

[zenith jacinth]

Very effective way to motivate themselves ig

[balmy storm]

Not genocide, there are still Orokin alive

[wispy stag]

and after the fall some of hte seven survived

[balmy storm]

We just killed the worst ones
Or tried
We got Ballas eventually

[wispy stag]

and i think they went to duviri

[balmy storm]

They did not

[zenith jacinth]

The entrati don't really count anymore, nihil is trapped

[graceful zodiac]

No, Duviri is before all of that. And not our universe to start

[frail nymph]

I don't think those are the same naga drums, they don't sound like Octavia's Anthem

[zenith jacinth]

All others that we know of are dead afaik

[balmy storm]

Still, they count genetically
Or the Entrati do enough

[zenith jacinth]

The entrati are more infested than orokin at this point

[autumn turret]

i believe this is the same music (got from #fankit-assets

[wispy stag]

challenge room race

[balmy storm]

Did they get infested pre-rebellion or post-rebellion?

[autumn turret]

when the warframes and dax could no longer protect them

[zenith jacinth]

When kermerros wanted to give vilcor something to kill

[balmy storm]

So probably pre-rebellion?

[bronze pier]

Watching the devstream afterward and hum.... new emote ?

[balmy storm]

Steve pog!

[zenith jacinth]

Stog

[balmy storm]

Stog

[wispy stag]

the entrati discovered the void travel and the infested was what they used to create warframes

[autumn turret]

it would be after, when the warframes arent helping them and the dax are busy dying to warframes

[wispy stag]

the original warframes had sentience like umbra

[balmy storm]

The Entrati didn’t make the Warframes, Ballas did.

And Umbra was not the original Warframe.

[zenith jacinth]

It was a very slow and partially indirect genocide

[balmy storm]

Play the Sacrifice or read it’s dialogue
It tells us all we need to know iirc

[autumn turret]

i mean we very much intented to kill the orokin at least the ruling orokin

[balmy storm]

I’ll take it

[autumn turret]

just a few got away

[balmy storm]

And I’d do it again

[zenith jacinth]

Not what gavran said

[balmy storm]

You are right
I read it wrong, that’s my bad lol

[autumn turret]

think ducky misread because people said that alot for some reason

[wispy stag]

they had sentience before they got fitted with transference bolts

[zenith jacinth]

Reasonable

[balmy storm]

They lost their minds due to being infested iirc, it was through transference and the tenno that Warframes could be “tamed”

[zenith jacinth]

Before they got introduced to the tenno*

[wispy stag]

and then the sentients attacked

[graceful zodiac]

Warframes are long after Sentients

[zenith jacinth]

Why did that sentence trigger my brain to start playing the AtlA intro

[wispy stag]

lol

[autumn turret]

warframes were made because sentients attacked

[wispy stag]

iirc the sentients were the reason the helminth was created

[autumn turret]

yes, because technology could not take care of the sentients so they had to go back to the old ways of infestation

[wispy stag]

then the first round of warframes went beserk and then the tenno were linked with them and then the rebellion?

[autumn turret]

rebellion after the war was won

[balmy storm]

Long ago, the Origin System lived in (relative) harmony… Then everything changed when the Sentients attacked. Only the Tenno could bring the Origin System together, but when the system needed them most they vanished…

[wispy stag]

omg yes!

fan service video will be made

[autumn turret]

but when the system needed them most they vanished…
which is basically what the new intro cinematic says

[balmy storm]

Exactly

[wispy stag]

the tenno master of all warframes

[balmy storm]

We’re really just the Avatar but no elements and just meat robots and space magic

[autumn turret]

the meat robots do have elements tho

[balmy storm]

Shhhh

[wispy stag]

ember frost hydroid mag volt

[zenith jacinth]

Ember, hydroid/yareli, zephyr, atlas

[balmy storm]

lavos gyre atlas citrine…

[zenith jacinth]

And baruuk is confused

[wispy stag]

wind fists

[balmy storm]

baruuk is here to help

[autumn turret]

baruuk is calm until he snaps

[zenith jacinth]

Baruuk is an airbender desperately trying to use earth bending

[wispy stag]

paciFIST

[balmy storm]

Wind fist
Monk
Pacifism
Yup, that’s an air bender

[wispy stag]

each element has a male/female counter part

[zenith jacinth]

But note how he punches. That's 100% earth bending moves

[autumn turret]

no cold fem frame

[balmy storm]

Still wish they kept it as “Edge” instead of Restraint

[zenith jacinth]

Or fire. But not air.

[wispy stag]

fire is chroma

[balmy storm]

He’s very confused

[wispy stag]

zephyr is air

[balmy storm]

Chroma is just a dude who killed a dragon-thing

[zenith jacinth]

Chroma is the original avatar

[cyan crest]

not saying ember for azula...

[balmy storm]

[bronze pier]

Y E S

[balmy storm]

DID YOU MAKE THIS HAPPEN

[bronze pier]

No

[wispy stag]

how do i add that to my emoji list

[balmy storm]

I’m gonna pretend you did

[bronze pier]

But it's my screen

[cyan crest]

Oh hey Ar'Kohn

[bronze pier]

Hey !

[balmy storm]

Do you pronounce that like one would Archon?

[wispy stag]

looks like ar cone to my eyes

[zenith jacinth]

Specifically how ordis pronounces it when first saying it in tnw?

[cyan crest]

I have to wonder how someone who starts with Duviri goes about playing the normal quests

[wispy stag]

would have to be a loop

[zenith jacinth]

Speedrun out of there

[bronze pier]

W... wait... did my name spoil TNW all this time ?!

[balmy storm]

I assume after you finish the intro quest it opens up the rest of Warframe, but we’ll find out soon

[wispy stag]

when the drifter leaves duviri the new war picks up

[bronze pier]

It's an open O for kohn, like in jackpot

[cyan crest]

I mean like do you just finish Duviri and then Awakening starts? Cause if your start with Duviri and jump to the new war you're not gonna understand nothing

[balmy storm]

[zenith jacinth]

Duviri is alternative to vor's prize

[bronze pier]

You can't go TNW unless you have a necramech, soooo i don't think so

[wispy stag]

what if it jumped between the two duviri and real space

[autumn turret]

you cant go into tnw without doing alot of main game content

[bronze pier]

So vor's price accessible only after TNW for other people ?

[cyan crest]

Alright so then how does the player who started with Duviri start the rest of the game?

[autumn turret]

no..

[graceful zodiac]

They likely just go back to the base game until they get to Zariman

[autumn turret]

tnw will still be unlocked the same it has been

[zenith jacinth]

Awakening > duviri > the rest

[cyan crest]

Not what Reb said

[balmy storm]

Duviri or Vor’s Prize > the rest

[autumn turret]

oh yea they'll go through the whole "Get the frame escape vor" sequence still because thats not vor's prize

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[autumn turret]

the part where you get your first frame is awakening

[cyan crest]

Yeah

[bronze pier]

Yeah but for the counterpart, like

duviri/vor > the rest > counterpart ?

[autumn turret]

so you'll probably do that still the first time you log in

[balmy storm]

They said Lotus will present you the option

[graceful zodiac]

Reb said it'll be alternate to Vor's Prize. After that the game would just put you back on the normal story track, no fuss

[wispy stag]

anyone remember that railjack voidstorm video where we get booted from our frame

[zenith jacinth]

And if you're playing on a really bad pc, it'll be the first frame in more than one way

[cyan crest]

Idk it's still weird and kinda unnecessary?
Cause i get them wanting to push duviri but like it just serves for new players to play duviri early with their veteran friends?

[balmy storm]

Posted that earlier actually

[surreal smelt]

Bomba reminds me of Trollge

[balmy storm]

I think it’s also just an alternative starting path tbh

[cyan crest]

It's a more confusing starting path

[balmy storm]

Also wanting to give new players this amazing experience they’ve been cooking up without 100 hours of required playtime

Depending on just how big and different it is I hope it doesn’t end up deterring new players from playing the rest of Warframe

[cyan crest]

That's fair and I understand it, and it might not be so confusing given how self contained Duviri seems to be
But still there's gonna be some whiplash from going from Awakening to Duviri to idk Once Awake or something

[balmy storm]

Oh definitely

It’ll definitely be confusing but that’s because it’s a Paradox

[cyan crest]

Also Vor's Prize serves to open the first bit of the starchart so that's gonna be awkward to fix

[real niche]

I hope you don't even do Awakening

[balmy storm]

Let’s hope they have a plan

[zenith jacinth]

Awakening > duviri/prize > prize(if duviri was chosen) > the rest

[graceful zodiac]

Honestly, I doubt it'll fully supplant Vor's Prize like that

[balmy storm]

You do, the choice is Paradox or Prize

[balmy storm]

This seems likely tbh

[real niche]

They should have a more ambiguous tutorial then

[graceful zodiac]

Why though?

[real niche]

idk so it fits better with segwaying to Duviri.

[autumn turret]

you will still have to do vor's prize to do the non duviri content

[zenith jacinth]

Duviri is very different from normal wf

[cyan crest]

"Oh this open world roguelite gameplay is super cool! And the duviri lore is interesting! I wonder what else the game has to offer"
And then they do Vor's prize
That's gonna be some serious whiplash mainly cause Vor's prize has been more or less the same since forever

[balmy storm]

Omg you’re right-

[zenith jacinth]

It'd be funny

[balmy storm]

Will you take:
Super cool new open world roguelike with some of the most beautiful landscapes and skies in the entire game?
Or
Very old quest that hasn’t been updated in years

[zenith jacinth]

Just a huge slap to the face after duviri

[autumn turret]

i do wonder if they'll try to touch up that stuff

[real niche]

They really should

[autumn turret]

because even awakening to vors prize is a little bit of whiplash

[balmy storm]

Is Vor’s Prize coming up on 10 years old?

[cyan crest]

Cause the starting quests are really reaaaaally old
The cinematic part only starts in the Neptune junction again!

[autumn turret]

awakening is new

[real niche]

I remember when they "revamped" the tutorial before and it barely did anything to improve.

[balmy storm]

The new awakening is new

[cyan crest]

Oh well yeah Awakening is new but then you have the same regular normal mission with some character interactions quests until Uranus
Even the ones that serve to foreshadow the sentients like A new strange are a bit meh

Hek, you dont get the Syndicate quests until completing TSD

[graceful zodiac]

I mean honestly new players will probably still do Vor's Prize. Most people will just go with what's connected to the last thing they did

[balmy storm]

If anyone has friends who haven’t played Warframe, see if you can get them to play Duviri when it comes out
I’m curious what the reaction will be going from Duviri to Vor’s Prize and the rest of the game

[cyan crest]

Oh I'm definitely gonna make my friends play duviri first

[balmy storm]

We’ll find out hopefully, really hope they release new player choices a year after Duviri’s release

[cyan crest]

Mainly because it looks super cool

Also duviri after awakening is gonna be akward because they literally have zero to do with each other

[balmy storm]

Paradox

Confusing and doesn’t make sense
The essence of Duviri

[zenith jacinth]

I already convinced all my irl friends(1) to play wf

(Though tbh he probably did awakening and then stopped)

[balmy storm]

I’ve convinced a few of my friends to play and none of them got that far tbh

[real niche]

If I had my way, Awakening and Vor's Prize would be reworked so that you'd have two tutorials, one bit with the usual Awakening stuff and one with Drifter and Duviri, then it splits.

Then again we don't know how we unlock Operator's side from Duviri so that'll be interesting.

[cyan crest]

I mean, yeah, but picture yourself playing for the first time and the first mission is you being this killer robot thing and the next one is you customising Hayden't Tenno and getting executed but not

[balmy storm]

Furthest my friends have ever got was New War
And that was like 2 of them

[real niche]

Because it's clear that we unlock Duviri from Operator's side post-New War.

[bronze pier]

Wait, the loadout/teshin zone is still in the dormizone i just saw that via the windows... so we're behind the void fissure at that point ?

[balmy storm]

I mean, that would be jarring no matter what if played pre-new war

[zenith jacinth]

Duviri will probably have a tutorial

[cyan crest]

Cool thing is that it'll probably lead to Drifter customization inmediatly instead of the auto generated ones from NW

[balmy storm]

I’m so happy the Drifter abilities are returning

[cyan crest]

Will Duviri-first drifters affect the Operators in TSD?

[zenith jacinth]

No tennobama for new players

[balmy storm]

There were auto generated ones in the new war?
I know you could’ve customized your appearance but auto generated?

[real niche]

Yeah, but I'm specifically hoping that they make it like that.

[real niche]

It was based on the facial features your Operator had, apparently.

[balmy storm]

Ah
Yeah mine was bald

[cyan crest]

Yeah that's what I meant
You can't customize until you reach the camp for the first time

[balmy storm]

My head-canon is my Drifter shaved their head for war

[balmy storm]

[zenith jacinth]

My drifter was a monstrosity

[cyan crest]

Mine had hair :p

[real niche]

Hold on let me draw a diagram for what I'm hoping for.

[zenith jacinth]

That was a bug

[balmy storm]

I was early, no hair

[wispy stag]

if you look at the new intro the tenno wake up wearing drifter clothes in the water and then go to drop flowers in front of your starter frame

[graceful zodiac]

All the drifters started bald. The facial features themselves were what's supposed to be inherited from operator

[balmy storm]

a funny bug

[zenith jacinth]

Unimportant

[graceful zodiac]

They definitely are not wearing Drifter garb

[cyan crest]

no offense but the intro girl has been discussed to death please no more intro girl discourse