spoiler-chat

[glass furnace]

Wow

[zenith jacinth]

Odd

That's also a very small paracesis sheath, I don't think it'd fit in that

[molten oxide]

And I heard some whistling similar to the mount call

[zenith jacinth]

Unless that's just perspective doing weird stuff

[molten oxide]

And where the swords were once there

I'm surprised it wasn't brought up here though, the swords gone and colorless bleeding through the door

[zenith jacinth]

People are busy farming and lvling citrus

[supple dagger]

Hype

[steep delta]

drifter gets tattoos yet operator gets nothing

[steady gate]

Operators have so many more cosmetics

[zenith jacinth]

Drifter still has less customizability than op

[steep delta]

my warframe dl is capped my drifter won't have the new customizations i promised her

rip

[deep quest]

Found something interesting in the new defense mission

better image:

I know what it is, just interesting that it's here

probably just a bug but I just had two collide with each other while watching them.

[undone gust]

Damn not even the void itself is free of DE made bugs

[steep delta]

lol

[zenith jacinth]

There shouldn't be two of them

[formal grove]

well, that is a Void tunnel, so...

[frail nymph]

Why not?

By definition, Lodunn is an Orowyrm not the Orowyrm.

[zenith jacinth]

I'm pretty sure there literally shouldn't be two in the mission

[frail nymph]

Again, why not

I'm sure they shouldn't be clipping, but it sounded like there was more than one from how often things happened

I couldn't do much other than listen cause the game gives you a timer and I just had to collect all the shinies

[patent geyser]

ive seen multiple plenty of times when running the mission

[vestal notch]

what is that?

what they do?

ah look cool ok

[past meteor]

Looks painful

[fair ether]

Oh no x.x

[fair ether]

Oh crap I didn't know MITW was visible on the Zariman.
I don't mind he was invisible to me though the doppelganger is looking creepy

It felt like the invisible Wally is just reaching out to me from somewhere else or just beeing present around like the void xD

[formal grove]

because of how the Duviri residents thought Drifter was Dominus, what are the chances that Dominus is an alternate version of the Drifter who thrived in the Void instead of hating it?

[balmy storm]

If they are then that’ll be quickly apparent for anyone who doesn’t have a male Drifter lol

Because of that and with the voice being different I kinda doubt Dominus is related to us, at least in the sense of being the same person

[fair ether]

I accept a multiple gendered drifter xD I can just blame my alternate, male, version

[formal grove]

to be honest, I think Dominus's voice sounds a bit androgynous, partly because of the slight voice cracks

[balmy storm]

That might be because they’re just a younger person

They have a lot of childish traits tbh

[formal grove]

we can also factor in the cybernetic enhancements

could have affected the voice to sound different

[balmy storm]

We don’t know they have that technology, it’d be easier to assume it has to do with the mask but it doesn’t alter our voice from what I can remember so
Probably not

[formal grove]

Dominus has a mechanical hand

[balmy storm]

True, but why modulate your voice at all? If you’re the ruler of Duviri why that voice, why not something more terrifying?
I think it’s more likely they were a child aboard the Zariman and something happened to them in Drifter’s timeline.

[formal grove]

to be fair, it could be argued that the voice modification was unintended

it could be the cybernetic enhancements messing with Dominus's development

[balmy storm]

I’m not sure Dominus does unintended if they can help it

And we can assume they could help it since they clearly have a lot of power, both literally and in terms of being the ruler of Duviri, any problems they have they can solve
Except us of course

[fair ether]

I'd guess it's just to find his childish personality. For the non-ingame reason

[balmy storm]

If Dominus was a child aboard the Zariman I do think they were younger than Drifter when the jump failed, depending on how much younger I wonder if they were born during or after the jump failure

[tight lion]

dual blade tenshin in zariman it disappeared

and there are new decorations for every chrysalis

[hexed ember]

chrysalis?

[tight lion]

sorry i use translate ... "Crisálida"

[wild wind]

On the Chrysalith?

[tight lion]

yes

[lament axle]

yeah, according to someone here:
the blades are gone and now the "duviri" colors are leaking

[molten oxide]

Yup

[frail nymph]

I really felt, alongside Pablo on the design side as well as many members of the team, that if we could give players the ability to pick their builds from all the stuff they have, and everything that we have in the game as part of like a very contained Duviri experience, it's going to work.

I love that I'll be able to kind of experience something similar to an old idea of mine for replayable content. (about using Railjack to do limited gear expeditions in the void where each trip is different)

Even tho it's not railjack, the rest is so similar and I'm soo looking forward to it.

[austere cypress]

Having a "conversation" with a little girl at home.

[honest elm]

Yo, how to do this beautiful face?

[austere cypress]

aha let me open warframe then

[austere cypress]

This girl?

[honest elm]

YESSIR

[austere cypress]

5 & 13, 0.30 with your customized skin color

[honest elm]

THANKS

[austere cypress]

show me when you have a chance

[cunning pollen]

I'm doing new war right now, and I've had 0 spoilers

this is bananas

[hexed ember]

i think i look tuff enuff

[fair ether]

XD

[hexed ember]

: (

[fair ether]

The "XD" was a response to RunTheDishwasher

[fair ether]

U did good on that. Hope u feel just as hit-in-the-face as supposed

[lament axle]

these new tattoos look amazing imo

[hexed ember]

Yeah, they were fun to play with too

[lament axle]

yup, loved to see that you could adjust the shape of it

[supple dagger]

this is not much of a spoiler but its funny and confusing

[steady gate]

Ha

Ragdolled shield lancers do that…and have for a while

[supple dagger]

i think it was like leech or something

it took away health when i stepped in its circle

[lament axle]

nahh he turned into a projectile

[steady gate]

Leech shield lancer Eximus. I think you broke his Overguard then did a heavy slam, sending him into permanent spinning

[fallow minnow]

The somachords for post-new war in Eidolon are coming back as Gene Mold 2/4

Also in fortuna does anyone else randomly hear "all as one" sometimes?

[kindred briar]

sometimes, I think it's a bug

[fallow minnow]

I like to think one of them thinks it's so bad they continue to wear a veil

or wish they were

[fair ether]

It broke their mind

[balmy storm]

We know some people chose the veil

[velvet wing]

On Varzia’s table is a unique ayatan I don’t think I’ve seen in game, any idea what it is/if it will be released?

[hexed ember]

the one on the circle?

or the one with the two circles?

[velvet wing]

On the right side closer to the orta

Its dark similar to the Hemakara or the Kitha and I’ve only ever seen it there on Varzia’s table which makes me think it is a newer ayatan, possibly an unreleased one

[autumn turret]

its mesh/texture doesnt look finished but that could be switch crust

[velvet wing]

It’s definitely from the switch being trash

Weird thing is looking at it from all angles it only appears to have one socket

[autumn turret]

even accounting for switch crust, it does not feel like a complete model there...

[velvet wing]

And yet it exists in some sense

[daring blaze]

Duviri paradox and new war related?

zariman this time?

[supple dagger]

so how are they gonna interlink both together

and they’re gonna try to give us teshin’s nikanas on that somehow?

[daring blaze]

So angels of the zariman, new war and duviri paradox happened at the same time?

[supple dagger]

new war and duviri, kinda

angels of the zariman was later

[zenith jacinth]

I'm surprised to not see zaramin being said a single time in the last hour

[frail nymph]

New war - Drifters paradox - new war - Zariman - operators paradox

Unless operator only gave Drifter the mask and then did nothing except chill in Zariman

[supple dagger]

I wish zariman was in its glory days
damn I'm tired of seeing old and rusty things
Zariman should have such cool systems... And to see her populated by tenn npcs (like the studants from hogwarts legacy), would be amazing.
Look at the decoration objects they sell at npc hombask, they're all old and dingy... I started by buying some to decorate my ship... But then I thought: "Damn, this is going to spoil the mood of my ship"

[daring blaze]

the duviri paradox this time in coming? and what's with the door on dormizon that won't open at all?

[balmy storm]

The door will probably open when we get Duviri Paradox, which we could be getting in a month or two (we’ll find out during the next Devstream hopefully)

[subtle garden]

What was your guys favourite and least favourite quest (can be for gameplay or lore reason)

Second dreams and chain of Harrow are easily my favourite, second dream truly changed the direction of the game and opened my mind to dive (too deep) in Warframe lore, and chain was just so creepy and cool and I love Lovecraft so the man in the wall is just perfect for me

I gotta say that I hate the index so glass gambit was just painfull to complete, however I still haven't completed waverider cause if there is one thing that I hate more than the index it's trying to do k-drive trick

This is also the reason why I will keep making fun of yareli main

Me and all my homies hate k-drive

[fair ether]

I have nothing against K-drive but the quest is a little too much for my "I don't really care" + low skill. I am going to do it piece by piece hopefully.
Glast Gambit was somewhat annoying. I did it with two or three friends at the same time what made it quiet easy. The fact that I missed out one part somehow and that we had to make half the quest double... ugh

I like all three of the mentioned quests above. I have trouble remembering the quests to well so I am not going to think about it too much for now xD
Chain of Harrow was quiet nice and I just LOVE Rell and The Man in the Wall aaaaahhhh

For the category "What broke me the most": The New War. I-I can't. I am a broken person now... But I liked it

[molten oxide]

Favorite would be sacrifice, showed us how the warframes were "made" and what each of the bodies of the frames would have gone through but probably in a less fancy environment and with more of a lab experiment area. Along with umbra, Excalibur was my starter frame and I've stuck to it until umbra and swapped to him and stayed with him to this day.

Least Favorite would probably be....the one where you make the railjack? The whole crafting of it wasn't my favorite along with doing the quest alone

[zenith jacinth]

Favorite: sacrifice. Smiles from juran/to take away its pain is just such a good song

Least favorite: the index one, it's so incredibly boring

[copper forge]

in newwar what does rescuing the ostrons get you?

[graceful zodiac]

Good vibes

[autumn turret]

the warm fuzzies

[copper forge]

mhm

ok thanks

[copper forge]

How to interrupt boreals healing in newwar

[zenith jacinth]

By not fighting him

[cyan crest]

I think New war is my favourite so far
And least favourite is probably Once Awake
I know it's not fair because it's old as hell and they're not on the same level as current quests but damn it's literally 3 normal missions to explain something that's actually pretty substantial to the lore
waverider is super fun

[obtuse gyro]

My favourite continues to be Chain of Harrow, the ambience was serving all the way

[languid torrent]

Favorite: Either The Second Dream (upending literally everything we thought we knew, delivering one helluva gut punch of feels, introducing us to Sentients and exactly why they were so feared at muzzle velocity), or Sacrifice (Feels, mostly.)

Least favorite: Waverider (Not... Bad, per say, but boring as all hell and serves as a tutorial for a mechanic that becomes outdated the literal second you can deploy Archwings), Glast Gambit (Index, need I say more), or Limbo Theorem (Difficult Excavations, Archwing Interceptions, and all for a frame that's either godly or makes you hate gods with no in-between).

[torpid lantern]

Favorite: Sacrifice. I love quests that really take the time to develop the operator independent of their connection to Warframes. They endured horrible brutality and lasting trauma that's going to be a long journey to resolve. That's something I felt Sacrifice really respected. It allowed the Op to grow on their own terms, independent of Lotus and shared a touching moment with someone who was suffering just as much they were. It handled the cruel effects of emotional and physical trauma genuinely and felt respectful to real victims of similar experiences. When the Op reconnected with Warframes later, the connection was profound, deep and rewarding. The lore that came with it was also a poetic delight.

Least: Zariman.
The pacing was rushed, jarring and everything the Sacrifice did right with the story, the Zariman did it's best to destroy.
The ship was a deep point of contention for the operator. Horrific, traumatic and something that has been fueling the entire essence of Warframe from the beginning, it was almost insulting how much potential was wasted. We rushed through years of trauma in maybe 5 minutes of dialogue. The operator is appropriately displeased with Holdfast's demands and the entire situation but a few mini-missions later and one brief conversation about a fruit resolved decades of PTSD? That's not how trauma works even remotely... Paired with a gimmicky attempt to invest players emotionally into NPCs that had no chacter development or any true role in the quest at all.

Sacrifice and Zariman are like night and day. I try my best to forget Zariman ever happened because it's impossible for me to rationalize how writers that did such an incredible job with the effects of trauma and grief in Sacrifice could turn out a quest that belittles the most traumatic event in the game.

[hexed ember]

It is at least a sick map with sick game modes

[twilit geode]

Gonna have to agree with this. Zariman was at best a quick questline to get us into the gamemodes, despite the Zariman itself being built up as this terrifying looming shadow over our Operator's conscience. Something they have to overcome. I couldn't even hardly tell that what's-his-face was even succumbing until there was a half-hearted "Oh well here I go, voiding again." And it was all "Noooo, don't go into the light!"
Then you get back and it's all "Oh yeah, btw, I'm totally fine there was no real danger anyway. Thanks for saving my 'life'. BTW do these bounties for us, cause we don't fully trust you yet."

[torpid lantern]

The worst part of the quest was when the Holdfast said it's Voidin time and then Voided all over the place.

I hate that I can't even take the quest seriously. The ARG was far deeper and more emotional than the quest was by a long shot. Everything in the ARG should have been in the quest at the very least. I will never understand why the felt the need to rush it out after New War. I wish it could have swapped places with Citrine.
If they had just kept it and polished it, built in more stories like the ARGs with Kira, it could have at least captured some of the gravity the Zariman entailed. It really hurts to think about as a long term fan of the game's lore.

[twilit geode]

I still remember seeing the Zariman in the Duviri teaser from 2019 and losing my mind about "OH MY GOD IT'S ACTUALLY THE ZARIMAN!"
The moment you went to it in The New War was amazing too. But then actually unlocking it was so lackluster and rushed, for an area so important in the lore.

[torpid lantern]

Yeah.. I spent a full week barely sleeping to help on the ARG. I got so invested in the stories, helping this woman and hoping to see her in the quest. The audio of her grieving husband was gutwrenching. By the end of the ARG when i found out she'd died.. I cried for literally days.
Yet I was also thinking, "this is what the Zariman is meant to be. We're meant to hear the stories and feel the pain of these lost souls. They deserve to be remembered."

I went into the quest expecting more of what the ARG promised. But it wasn't there.
Now knowing new players won't even know the ARGs exist is what hurts more. Everyone else will just think "who's da heck is Kira? Who cares?"

[kindred briar]

a fairly common occurrence for anyone looking back at any of the old events

[zenith jacinth]

Kira is the shawzin person, right

(That is a joke, I followed the arg for a bit)

[torpid lantern]

Fairly but none as severe as this one.

[royal crystal]

In order for a new player to Unlock ||The Steel Path||, do they have to complete ||The Zariman||?

[feral compass]

Yes

[zenith jacinth]

All nodes

Well, all except mutated salad and jordas golem

[past kiln]

And zealoid prelate

for... reasons

oh so i've just been disseminating misinformation online and no one told me

:chad:

[cyan crest]

At lwast the holdfasts have the chance of developing in future quests, and the Syndicate stuff delves into their past which is fun
As to the zariman and the trauma... yeah that was weirdly resolved in 5 minutes.
Like, on the one hand yeah, it's cool how they overcome it and accept the zariman as their home to protect the holdfasts, that's neat
But like, a fully fledge Sacrifice-like quest to explore the scenario would've been the thing to do, not like do it in a second cause it kind of undermines it
At least the zari is cool and the apartment is a neat little zone, and the ship itself teases duviru very neatly
But the quest should've been better and longer that's for sure

[frail nymph]

They would know that the crew cared about Kira and that they killed her for the crew. What more is necessary about her?

[frail nymph]

I don't really see it as just trauma.

People deal with trauma differently, and it seems like Drifterator is already done dealing with it in a way that they end up not caring to go back there. When they do go back, they start to remember the traumatic parts but they mostly don't like the fact that they have to remember rather than being traumatised all over again... They're not having PTSD, they're wary of it creeping up if they stay too long. Soon the crew quickly turns their mind to the good parts as well and builds a little comradeship. Then Drifterator continues protecting the Zariman not for the Zariman, but for the sake of the crew; and they don't consider it home just yet - that happens slowly over time as you rank up.

Drifterator says I'll solve the problem then I'm gone, but before they even acknowledge the good parts of the Zariman, before they know why and how the Zariman is in danger, and most importantly before they know how the holdfasts are suffering. And when they decide to stay, it's primarily because they want to help the crew which they always do with allies. And even after deciding so, Hombask for example continues helping them to deal with their own feelings about the Zariman like the inbox message. Another example is how the crew sets up a shrine so the Drifterator can mourn the death of their parents and others for the first time ever.

Knowing all that, what'd I'd like to see is the addition of Drifter/Operator to the Zariman rankup dialogue. Drifterator is expected to obviously help the crew, just like they're expected to help the Osteons or Solaris or Entrati... But this time there's a chance for them to help themselves so it should be shown.

[torpid lantern]

For the player? Actual emotional investment. It's kinda the whole point of any media we consume, be it books, movies, video games, theater performances, ya know? Knowing some random npc cared about something is not the same thing as the player caring about something.

Sacrifice was an example of doing this properly. Objectively there's very few people if any who went through Sacrifice that didn't want to personally beat the snot out of Ballas for what he did to Umbra's family. It was a deep emotional connection that ironically is the core element of the game.

Yet outside of the ARG, there wasn't even a moment dedicated to that in the Zariman quest. It's all done through rank up and quite nebulously. You may not need the emotional investment, and that's fine, but it's still the most important part of the story. Leaving it out was like ordering bread bowl soup and only getting the bread. It's fluffy and pretty on the outside but hollow and bland without any substance on the inside

[cyan crest]

At least some of us got the arg to care about the holdfasts and kira

It really sucks for those that weren't here tho :(

[torpid lantern]

Yeah..

The entire situation hurts to think about

[cyan crest]

They still have the chance of doing a better zariman quest down the line

Now that I think of it, if the picture actually depicts the Op's family in the zariman then it'd probably where they spent practically their whole lives, so at least then it makes sense for them to still "reclaim them as their home"

[torpid lantern]

I hope so. They dropped so many stories I wanted to know the ends of. Like the Captain's baby. Did she survive? Is she a Tenno now?

[torpid lantern]

I don't think the picture is of them on the ship. I think it's just a family photo they took. The clothing they wore seemed to be a common theme even off the ship if Margulis' clothes are any indication.

[cyan crest]

Mmm, it's still a possibility
Although a 13ish year preparation for the jump sounds excessive lol

[torpid lantern]

That's what I'm thinking. And the Op seems around 15 to me physically. Though void knows how old they actually are mentally. Can't keep track of that

[cyan crest]

further exploration of the ship would be like a good oportunity to introduce Cephalon Fog into the lore just saying

[torpid lantern]

Lol

[cyan crest]

Hello, i exist

[torpid lantern]

The cult consumed everything for that whole week. I will never forget. I still lie awake at night fearing the fog. And komi. Always komi

[cyan crest]

the answer to the komi being Shawzin is still infuriating to me

Like, we went into wild directions there and the answer was a simple as Shawzin?

[torpid lantern]

I still have not one lick of am idea how we were supposed to solve that

[cyan crest]

Good thing people were spamming random words in twich

[torpid lantern]

Then there was that legendary guy who was the only one in hundreds who knew how to solve those weird type of zip files

[frail nymph]

Oh I thought you meant the quest calls back to something that wasn't covered ingame, nevermind

[cyan crest]

Oh yeah lol
The there were the 70000 people suggesting that every single clue was morse code

[torpid lantern]

I swear I will never forget. That quest will haunt me

[frail nymph]

The answer was Juran... And it was staring us in the face the entire time

We kept thinking it was January or something else with the syllables swapped around

[cyan crest]

Oh it was Juran? Same thing with Shawzin really, Kira literally whistled that song in the tik toks lol

[torpid lantern]

I spent one night typing in 1000 different passwords into a locked file. I cant even remember what the answer was

I wonder if it's on the wiki now.

[cyan crest]

I got timed out while there was a clue in progress of solving

it was deserved ngl but it hurt

[torpid lantern]

Were you spamming Fog

[cyan crest]

It was something else but it still prevented me from participating for a day :(

[frail nymph]

Yeah the Zariman quest was mostly filler while they work on other stuff, if said other stuff didn't exist they would have time to dive deep. Maybe they will do so after Duviri, but there's a lot of other stuff lined up for then: New War Sentient content, Archwing specialized for RJ, etc

[torpid lantern]

The fog cult almost killed me... I had to go on a week hiatus after that one to mentally recover my braincells

[cyan crest]

The holy oscillation will return some day when we least expect it

[torpid lantern]

[torpid lantern]

I still don't understand why they felt the need to rush it out. New War had barely been out. They could have held off. I don't really want them returning to the Zariman because I got my hopes dashed once and I'm not ready for round two. 😅

[frail nymph]

Mostly just content drought

[cyan crest]

A lot of resources were (and probably are) siphoned to Duviri

[frail nymph]

Too many people don't consider quests to be content. So the Zariman is a way to have filler content, and that content happens to be open to detailed work and effort

[torpid lantern]

Wait if quests aren't content, the heck is?

[frail nymph]

Gameplay that lasts more than one playthrough

[torpid lantern]

[cyan crest]

Can't really get people with that though process, but it's mostly because i only play for the lore

[torpid lantern]

Imagine playing Warframe haha.. did the operator enjoy this witicism

[frail nymph]

The average player doesn't have the attention span and memory dedicated to WF to enjoy the quest outside of the duration of the quest... Before or after

[torpid lantern]

I absolutely do not play the game for any other than quests. It's just really tedious

[frail nymph]

To them it's 7 hours of cool looking nonsense while to us it's 7 months of reflecting

[cyan crest]

Same

[frail nymph]

I happen to do both and Zariman seems designed to satisfy the latter... It's one of the best content-wise updates out there

[torpid lantern]

I've played on and off for 6-7 years now and apart from when I'm running through tilesets making notes of environmental stuff and exploring, I can't think of anything about the missions I enjoy

Zariman especially

Void help me I hate trying not to die on Armageddon

[cyan crest]

I enjoy kind of roleplaying through spy missions sometimes :p
And making up stuff with my liches

[torpid lantern]

Ooh I do that too!

[frail nymph]

RP?

[torpid lantern]

And playing as just Operators on maps. Usually for night wave

[cyan crest]

I mostly imagine myself stealing super sensitive data like I imagine I'm stealing the bp of a capital ship I'm gonna attack later, or the current route of the Kuva fortress

[frail nymph]

Anyway, my point is, even if Zariman had the perfect emotion based storytelling...
the same people who didn't like New War because it didn't have a massive raid, would completely overlook that emotional part and also call it terrible writing just because they don't remember the fact that Tenno had to defend themselves and kill their parents as children.

New War was more A less B. Zariman was less A more B. Ideally both A and B are a lot in every update, but that would need impossible amounts of time

[torpid lantern]

Bingo. Then you've got my group of roleplayers where we write stories then carry them out in game with very high stakes.
Like a player's npc gets captured by grineer and a squad of two has to recover them without setting off any alarms, while another group has to destroy the reactor the moment the first squad saves the hostage. But they cant set off alarms either or everyone dies.

It's fun.

And that's ship wide. Not just in the cells

[cyan crest]

Still, A was more fitting of a quest introducing us to the Zariman, being a place as important as it is

[frail nymph]

Yes but B was what was lacking in the game overall since early-to-mid 2021. Imagine that lack continuing till late 2022. Dangerous amounts of player count dropping.

And Zariman couldn't even be delayed because Duviri comes later.

[cyan crest]

Ooh that sounds super fun!

[torpid lantern]

Ooooor, they could have taken the ARG content and incorporated it into the quest. As fun and traumatizing as Komi was, recovering the data to help Kira in game would have worked better for the long term. They already had the content. It just needed to be incorporated. Since the Zariman has normal miss types to like exterminate, it could have been worked in somewhere

[frail nymph]

The hidden data pads can have the youtube videos added to them, sure.

Most people won't see that either way, but it helps

[torpid lantern]

I was thinking the audio could be placed like Ordis' fragments

[cyan crest]

A big part of why i like railjack is because i made some personalities and stuff for my crewmates so i love using the ship and doing stuff with them
Another psrt is because i like spaceships

[torpid lantern]

SPACESHIP

[frail nymph]

The ARG content was probably created too late to incorporate into the quest itself... They were probably in debugging stages by then.

So the audio logs appearing as Easter Eggs is the best I can think of as a smooth addition.

Not sure how I'd incorporate messages like Kira trying to decode/thanking us because that stuff doesn't happen while we're aboard.

[cyan crest]

Oh whoops i hadn't realized the convo shifted back to the Zariman

[torpid lantern]

I know I keep bringing it up but I'm just so lost by what made them release it so early. I think it was only a few months after new war, right? We've gone way way longer between updates. And new war was the biggest they'd ever done

[frail nymph]

From a content point of view, It had been almost a year since Sisters of Parvos.

So any emotional/story part of the AoZ update would be "too unnecessarily soon" indeed given that New War was just a few months ago

But not the gameplay part

[torpid lantern]

But of all the quests to short stick

Uuuuuuuugh

[frail nymph]

Yeah that's no thanks to Duviri

[cyan crest]

Ngl they could've postponed zari and added anothrr content update in between
But with resources focused on duviri i doubt they could've done all that

[frail nymph]

And also because Duviri needs AoZ out

In one form or the other

[foggy peak]

I’m excited for duviri

[torpid lantern]

Citrine where were you

[frail nymph]

Even if Veilbreaker came before AoZ (to satisfy content needs) , Zariman wouldn't have more dev time, because VB also needs work. Only way to have a bigger Zariman update was therefore to delay Duviri

[torpid lantern]

I mean...

[cyan crest]

Even more than its already delayed

[torpid lantern]

Veilbresker is considered a content update?

[foggy peak]

If it’s getting delayed a lot it probably means that they are improving it so in some ways a delay is good

[frail nymph]

Of course

There's a bunch of replayable content

[cyan crest]

At least VB has more focus on lore and character interactions

[foggy peak]

Content is being added so I suppose

[torpid lantern]

People seem to dislike it a lot. Though I actually love veilbreaker. It's the most fun I've had in years

[frail nymph]

Well yeah DE shouldn't have trusted players when they said they wanted Kahl content I guess.
Same for not taking the "we liked the Archons" part seriously

[cyan crest]

NGL this is how I feel with Waverider :p

[cyan crest]

I swear some players are like that one Spongebob scene with the kid and the ice cream

[foggy peak]

Waverider is pain

[cyan crest]

I had tons of fun doing tricks with my board

[torpid lantern]

Come on Glinty, ya saying it like ya gone lateral. Waverider's primo!

I just want mods for Merulina

[foggy peak]

I remember trying to get the score streak on the pearl but all them corpus folk got in the way and kept on pushing me off

[cyan crest]

lmao

[torpid lantern]

The hardest had gotta be the "do 7 of x in midair" or whatever they were

I climb to the top of the weeping towers and jumped off for those

[cyan crest]

I usually just jumped off the highest cliff i coukd find in the vallis but sometimes not even that did the trick

[foggy peak]

I used my arch wing to fly to the top of the map then I pulled out my k drive

[cyan crest]

Oooh i remember doing that for the last one
It didn't work for like 3 times

[torpid lantern]

Same

[cyan crest]

[cyan crest]

Wait you can do that?

[torpid lantern]

WHAAAA

[foggy peak]

Yes you can

[torpid lantern]

.....

[foggy peak]

Archwings in free roam is so handy

[torpid lantern]

I'm going to bed

[cyan crest]

I use it when I want convenience, i use kdrive when I want style

[cyan crest]

Good night

[foggy peak]

i always use archwing

[torpid lantern]

I use kdrive whenever I want to get stuck inside the walls/floor because I'm Yareli

[cyan crest]

Yeah that too :p

[foggy peak]

I haven’t used yareli

[torpid lantern]

Nighty night

[cyan crest]

There's something hilarious about trying to land a cool trick and failing only to send yourself flying towards the nearest concrete wall

[foggy peak]

The amount of times that has happened to me

In game not in real life

[zenith jacinth]

Laughs in nef statue

[whole prawn]

What about wisp. Any updates yet?

[real niche]

Updates about...?

[whole prawn]

Wisp prime?

Any leaks?

I know but did they say anything

She should be next up in the prime list right?

[real niche]

Prime? Reworks? The same stale asset joke?
No they haven't said anything about Prime

Either Wisp or Hildryn

[whole prawn]

I hope wisp

[steady gate]

Hildryn prime is next

[uneven sage]

Hildryn Prime ftw

[lament axle]

yeah, there's even a "leak" about what's gonna be coming with hildryn (i'm not gonna discuss it, but you might be able to find it on the reddit)

[wicked iron]

Please keep chat topics in the server to Warframe things. 🙂

[frail nymph]

Oh god are there any duviri leaks? I might have to stop using the subreddits if there are

[autumn turret]

the only waverider objective i had problems with was the slam

[supple dagger]

Not storywise, but there’s supposedly leaks about how the Progression system and upgrade system work

[autumn turret]

the Prime access leaks are purely the text of the various prime access things btw

leaks on progression and upgrade for duviri does make sense for that if there was a giant text dump

[supple dagger]

Yea and apparently there’s also leaks for Duviri quest rewards too

[autumn turret]

i assume all text only?

[supple dagger]

Nope, all images

[autumn turret]

oh interesting

i do hope duviri releases soon

[dry magnet]

Me 2

Like next month soon

[dry magnet]

Is it any good?

[supple dagger]

Same, I’ve been trying my best to avoid all the Duviri leaks and stuff, but hopefully the leaks mean that Duviri isn’t that far off from coming

[supple dagger]

I haven’t seen all of them except for maybe like an accessory so

[dry magnet]

🤔

[supple dagger]

I don’t want to flat out spoil the rewards either so I’ll just shush for now lol

[dry magnet]

Im really hoping we will get some cool melee and outfits for them

[dry magnet]

Send me the link if you can…please 😅

[supple dagger]

I’ll send it through dms

[dry magnet]

Ok

Tnx

[supple dagger]

ohhh good

[worldly dove]

help please im doing the last war and i cant escape the stupid archon thingy

[lament axle]

there's... quite a bit of them
nothing spoilery, generally focusing on certain systems that will be implemented (and trust me, it will be great if done right)

[lament axle]

which one of the three are you fighting? can't really help if we don't know which one you're dealing with

[zenith jacinth]

Probably the first encounter with nira considering they're saying "escape"

[autumn turret]

then im not sure what they're having difficulty with.. just run?

[steady gate]

As long as you don’t stop to fight…you can escape

[worldly dove]

oh yeah i finished that but now im stuck in the stupid factory and have been for the last hour

[lament axle]

oh alright

[lament axle]

i... would suggest looking up a strategy on yt
i took ~40min to actually pass it (only did it after watching a video)

[worldly dove]

do you remember what the strategy was

[lament axle]

i can try to tell what i did
i first did the left side, using the elevator and then rushing to the left, where you can climb a tube to avoid unwanted attention
then, after activating the terminal, you sneak behind the deacon and wait for the one in the hall to pass, rush to the terminal, grofit

(oh and btw, when you want to go to the elevator, go behind the stairs to avoid the deacon upstairs)

[signal horizon]

the reason the factory took me forever to pass was because I didn't know you were suppose to climb on the pipe upstairs on the left side to get to where you needed to go. I had to look up a video on YT to figure that out

[lament axle]

yeh, same

[worldly dove]

uh how do i beat wolf man in a new war

[autumn turret]

get good at dodging

[supple dagger]

And when he summons his clones, look for the one that has a weapon cause that’s the real one

[worldly dove]

that might be a problem

[lament axle]

amar is... complicated
don't get too far if you don't want to die, don't get too near if you don't want to die

[worldly dove]

which one is the hardest? the owl?

[supple dagger]

Yea he’s the most annoying one

[worldly dove]

jetpack?

[undone forge]

Boreal's more annoying than hard with his damaging floors

[stable pendant]

I thought u were talking abt veilbreaker

[worldly dove]

it was like the owl has no known weaknesses

then nhow do i kill it?

[lament axle]

i'd say he's the most annoying
if you know what to do, all of them can be pretty easy

[autumn turret]

you shoot it

[worldly dove]

de couldve made so much money if they made this quest skippable by paying

[autumn turret]

and remember, you are invulnerable while rolling

[supple dagger]

I would save Boreal for last if you’re really having trouble with him

[autumn turret]

the bosses are not that hard

you shoot hide and roll

[worldly dove]

im bad at the game ok 😭

[lament axle]

when boreal is healing (beeg bubble move) use your invisibility to get close and shoot 'em

[autumn turret]

and boreal is the only one i do not know how to fight legitimately

because i saved him for last

and im not replaying the quest

[worldly dove]

are any of them cheeseable?

[lament axle]

huh, boreal was pretty easy when i fought him

(imo ofc)

[autumn turret]

just shoot and roll

there no no big brain needed, just unga

[undone forge]

imo yeah he's not that hard, don't stand in the damage floor

[worldly dove]

thats not a cheese thats getting good

[autumn turret]

its not getting good its just rolling

[supple dagger]

Lol I did Boreal first and whenever he was using his bubble thing I always just kept on shooting at him during it

[autumn turret]

and finding cover where relevant

(wolf's arena doesnt really have cover, you just roll and heal)

[lament axle]

yeah, i also did him first
and even i dunno how i beat him

[worldly dove]

oh my god i am so screwed

[lament axle]

i just kept rolling to get near his bubble and for some reason, it worked

[autumn turret]

dude just ROLL

do you know how to roll?

[worldly dove]

im trying and its not going well

just shift while moving?

[autumn turret]

(i actually dont know how on pc)

(i play console and the bind is different)

[lament axle]

ig it's the same as crouching, but click the key instead? that's how it works on console

[supple dagger]

Just save Boreal for last

[autumn turret]

on console you crouch twice while moving

[worldly dove]

no im trying amar and its not going well

[autumn turret]

just roll out of the way when he attacks you

and use healing stims

[lament axle]

oh and remember
try to ALWAYS get perfect shots, that's your best chance to deal dmg to a archon

[worldly dove]

is it easier on console or am i just god awful at this game because this continues to be going poorly

[autumn turret]

its not, theres literally no relevant difference other than the bind for roll being different

hell you could use a controller if you're paranoid

[lament axle]

it's just experience mate, don't sweat it
remember to keep distance but for amar, don't get too far or he will slash dash jump at you

[worldly dove]

so im just terrible at the game is the problem

i dont see that problem being solved anytime soon

is there any way to leave and come back to it later?

[autumn turret]

the problem is you thinking this

there is no complex strat, you just shoot and try to avoid damage with cover/rolling

i completely did not try to interact with "find the real one" on amar

[worldly dove]

thats what im trying to do but his claws are faster than my roll

[worldly dove]

well what am i supposed to think if i cant do something that multiple people are assuring me is super easy

[autumn turret]

saying "im bad at the game" is a self fuffilling prophecy

[lament axle]

as i said, don't sweat it buddy

[autumn turret]

use your abilities

you've got a heal, you've got smoke screen

[supple dagger]

Yea it’s not like you can’t fight them again if you die. You can always take a break and come back when you feel like you’re ready

[lament axle]

you can always do the "dark souls" strat
fight boss, lose, study moveset, obliterate boss, grofit

[obtuse gyro]

<@&778745217037238293> no idea what this dude is on

[ionic sleet]

[supple dagger]

my first solo run

by the way, where is Nira's head

[signal horizon]

The snake head

[steady gate]

The end of the Snake neck

It’s why she’s a pain to headshot

[supple dagger]

huhh the damage didnt seem to increase

[simple moss]

It does, it's annoying to hit is all.

[supple dagger]

aight then

[vital pewter]

What? How?

[worldly dove]

that's umbra

[woeful jacinth]

Wally

[vital creek]

hey kiddo

[vital pewter]

I thought umbra was a dax

[vital creek]

it is not umbra

[worldly dove]

its not?

[zenith jacinth]

Umbra is the frame

[worldly dove]

oh yeah but its the operator of umbra right?

[vital creek]

that is not the operator in the picture

[worldly dove]

what was the name of the guy inside umbra?

[vital creek]

thats a good question actually

[zenith jacinth]

He wasn't operated

[chrome valley]

umbra was a automated frame

[vital creek]

operator wouldn't be the right word but were we given the daxs name

[torpid lantern]

About Duviri, there was an accidental leak when Voruna dropped that showed a Duviri icon on the map when in the railjack nav. It's supposedly supposed to be accessible through railjack

[chrome valley]

Random dax number 30

[zenith jacinth]

Wally is completely unrelated to umbra, and umbra had no operator

[worldly dove]

is his name wally?

[vital creek]

wally is man in the wall

[chrome valley]

the clone? Ye

[zenith jacinth]

Man in the wall, shortened to wally

[vital creek]

completely unrelated to umbra

[chrome valley]

at least what we call it

[worldly dove]

ohh

[zenith jacinth]

Umbra has no name, he's just umbra

[vital pewter]

How did the devil get in my ship

[zenith jacinth]

He's in your head

[chrome valley]

he's always been there 👁️

also

You freed him lol

[vital pewter]

I’m confused

[torpid lantern]

Wally is not his canon name btw. It's a nickname from the community

[vital creek]

rell was holding him back

[zenith jacinth]

Remember chains of harrow?

[torpid lantern]

Lol that typo made me chuckle

[zenith jacinth]

That clone is the thing you freed at the end

[vital creek]

yea wally is shortened, i don't think man in the wall is the canon name but it makes a lot of sense with what we know

[torpid lantern]

Man in the wall is canon

Rell called him that

[zenith jacinth]

The name man in the wall is taken from in-game

[vital creek]

mmm ok i must've forgot

[steady gate]

So is The Indifference

[torpid lantern]

And the lidless eye

[zenith jacinth]

The rappy tappy tappin' came from within the walls

[torpid lantern]

[worldly dove]

doesnt he appear right after you do the umbra quest?

[chrome valley]

yeah, iirc we thought rell was the man in the wall during the quest

[vital creek]

i don't think so?

[zenith jacinth]

His one scripted appearance

[vital creek]

he can randomly appear after completing rells quest

[torpid lantern]

I'm terrified to see his final form. I wonder what it'll look like. A giant eyeball? There's some scary bloody mouth monster drawings on the Zariman that could be him

[steady gate]

He does, yes. Just to mock you for what you now know

[vital creek]

idk if sacrifice has a scripted appearance

[chrome valley]

he can appear after the rell's quest

[zenith jacinth]

He can randomly appear in a few spots in the orbiter after completing CoH

[zenith jacinth]

It has

[woeful jacinth]

Could've swore there was

[worldly dove]

isn't the umbra quest before CoH?

[chrome valley]

there's the railjack appearance

[zenith jacinth]

...no

[steady gate]

No

[zenith jacinth]

Maybe he is shapeless

[torpid lantern]

There is! Right at the end

[steady gate]

CoH, Apostosy, Sacrifice

[chrome valley]

so basically an eldritch god

[zenith jacinth]

Maybe the fog albrecht saw was wally's true form?

[torpid lantern]

Ewwww

Fog with giant pointy teeth

[zenith jacinth]

Just shapeless fog, shapeshifting into whatever it wants

[cyan crest]

Did somebody say fog?

[woeful jacinth]

[torpid lantern]

NOOOOOO

[woeful jacinth]

There's no way

[zenith jacinth]

If that's the case, I'll be disappointed if there's no reference to the eye of sauron

[zenith jacinth]

Oh gods no

[torpid lantern]

DE implied there is an actual form during the tennocon art panel since apparently the creepy wall man form is just another disguise

[chrome valley]

could be the entirety of the void

[zenith jacinth]

Well, a fog would still be a sort of form, wouldn't it

[zenith jacinth]

Duviri

[torpid lantern]

I feel like he's trapped in the void, not actually the void itself

[cyan crest]

Im guessing they might go with the typical lovecraftian route of unfathomably large mass with tentacles

[torpid lantern]

Eeeehhhhh

[zenith jacinth]

Biblically accurate angel

"Be not afraid"

[torpid lantern]

Please, Hydroid's puddle pet does not deserve that treatment

[chrome valley]

trapped in himself pretty poetic

[cyan crest]

Well, puddlekraken might not be unfathomably large

[torpid lantern]

Lol narmer's covering that one super well

[zenith jacinth]

[zenith jacinth]

Not really

[chrome valley]

what even is narmer btw?

[zenith jacinth]

Faction named after an egyptian oharaoh

Yes. Oharaoh. Definitely what I meant to say.

I'm gonna write this down, sounds like a good fantasy rpg name

[torpid lantern]

You don't think the archons with weird animal heads seem like biblically accurate angels?

[worldly dove]

Jazza on youtube has a cool depiction of a balrog i think could match

[zenith jacinth]

Not even remotely

[chrome valley]

The owl one maybe

[zenith jacinth]

They're not strange masses of organs and wings

[worldly dove]

Like a hulking humanoid monster of shadow and flame

[chrome valley]

And not enough eyes

[torpid lantern]

O.o
So you haven't noticed Erra/Pazuul is speaking with twisted scripture?

[zenith jacinth]

Eyes fall under the category of organs

I should've said wings and eyes, that's more correct

[torpid lantern]

All of that is based on Biblical religion stuff. Maybe the Antichrist? Not sure exactly.

[zenith jacinth]

It's based on a completely insane extra personality

[chrome valley]

the way you said I imagined like big blobs of flesh with wings

[woeful jacinth]

Not exactly wrong

[zenith jacinth]

Big blobs of eyes with wings, I corrected it

[worldly dove]

What do you think of this I think it kinda matches the void monster

[cyan crest]

Normal guys with wings would also be biblically accurate angels
Biblical angels go in tiers more or less and what people often call biblically accurate are thrones and sometimes cherubs I think
So not every biblical angel is a mass of rings and wings and eyes!

[torpid lantern]

Lol Ballas went from Roman to Egyptian. And Pazuul went from Egyptian to Catholic. In the order of world history, it actually makes a lot of sense

[zenith jacinth]

I can't see anything

[cyan crest]

Aint that Gandalf and a Balrog

[torpid lantern]

It's Gandalf

I'm going to trust fog on that big blob. But what is this about in terms of Warframe

[zenith jacinth]

It's very grey, so that makes sense

[worldly dove]

Yeah but that's a biblically accurate baltog and I think it looks really cool and slightly voidy

[zenith jacinth]

You mean lotr accurate balrog

And I personally have yet to see a depiction that's actually accurate, although that one gets closer than most due to not having wings

[torpid lantern]

Let's leave Balrogs in the Lotr Fandom before it sets things on fire

[cyan crest]

They could be more original ngl, cause my ides would be the 337934304749th Cthulu/Hermaeus Mora type eldritch being ever

As far as design goes

[zenith jacinth]

I don't want to set the world on fireee...

[torpid lantern]

[zenith jacinth]

That is the second time since getting discord that I made that joke

[cyan crest]

I just want to staaaart

[zenith jacinth]

The most terrifying thing about herma-mora is his talking speed tbh

[torpid lantern]

I wonder if Duviri will disappear when Dominus MITW escapes

[zenith jacinth]

If he escapes

[torpid lantern]

We need to continue the Pazuul plot and I'm not sure how it'll fit together

[cyan crest]

Probably not if our returns to Duviri after the quest are supposed to be canon

[torpid lantern]

I'm firmly set on Dominus and MITW being the same person and if I'm right, then he definitely escapes. But at what cost?

MITW and Pazuul at the same time seem like to tall an order

[zenith jacinth]

I'm firmly set on the two being completely different because they don't behave in the same way

[cyan crest]

Pazuul seems to have been relegated to side nuisance
For this time, at least

[chrome valley]

who's dominus? Don't remember his name

[zenith jacinth]

Duviri's lord

[chrome valley]

a the mask guy

[zenith jacinth]

I like the word lord

Good word. Nice word.

Well, maybe not the second thing.

[torpid lantern]

Both immature children that cause chaos and don't show their faces. If dominus really is someone we know like DE said, who else can it be?

[vital creek]

I’ll be sad if duviri doesn’t get its own game mode

[zenith jacinth]

My ability to focus on one task is barely existant

[zenith jacinth]

Ordis

[vital creek]

Void ordis

[torpid lantern]

It's supposed to! I'm not very excited about it getting warframes but it has a whole system and everything

[vital creek]

Oh are we allowed to mention the possibly real leaks

[zenith jacinth]

It'll be playable afterwards, so it's basically guaranteed

[chrome valley]

Teshin obviously 🤓

[zenith jacinth]

Teshin ded, twoshin not mean

[vital creek]

Did they ever officially confirm that though or are we just going off the many leaks

[zenith jacinth]

They confirmed it

[vital creek]

Oh sweet!

Now to hope it’s balanced

[zenith jacinth]

Well, it probably will be

Frames won't exist for most of the place

[torpid lantern]

I've read the leaks but don't understand most of it and we're not supposed to discuss them here. Just stuff that's already been discussed

By DE

[vital creek]

Read them as well, most of it looked very incomplete anyways

[molten oxide]

It'll be fun playing as the drifter with his own abilities and attacks again

[zenith jacinth]

I'm talking about stuff that's been mentioned in the first post-new war devstream that had duviri in it

[vital creek]

Yea drifter gameplay was solid, and the sword fighting in the trailer looked interesting

[torpid lantern]

I hope he gets those backs. They were my absolute favorite part of New War

[zenith jacinth]

I don't think he will

[chrome valley]

The solution for things being too easy?

no abilities, no mods, no companion, just gun and void

[vital creek]

I think he will now

[zenith jacinth]

The gadgets drifter had in tnw were probably made after they escaped duviri

[molten oxide]

But I also wonder, what will the operator gameplay be for duviri?

[vital creek]

Or made to survive duviri

If it’s an actual rogue like game mode operator could just be a way to justify permanent upgrades between runs

Really depends on how the quest goes

[chrome valley]

will the operator even be in duviri?

[vital creek]

Original trailer had them giving drifter a gun

[torpid lantern]

But that's also really really refreshing. Sure some people will probably complain but I'm super tired of the stale combat structure. I can't wait to use my op/Drifter more

[vital creek]

Second trailer showed operator a bit but it didn’t look like they were playable

[zenith jacinth]

You mean the outdated trailer?

[vital creek]

Yes

[chrome valley]

Kinda forgot that

[torpid lantern]

It looks like you won't directly play as Op. More indirectly to solve puzzles

[chrome valley]

Same it was pretty fun

[zenith jacinth]

As a difficulty enjoyer, I hope they will make it impossible to just trivialize everything combat-related

[chrome valley]

It would be fun to go back and forth into past and present changing things so the other can advance

[vital creek]

yes please

[zenith jacinth]

I've started playing dark souls and I can't go back please help

[vital creek]

it being drifter gameplay gives me hope

[torpid lantern]

I'd kill for that!!! That sounds so Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask. It's such a fun direction for games to go

[torpid lantern]

I like difficulty when it's skill based, not "do you have these 30 rare rpg drop mods" to progress

[vital creek]

yea

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[vital creek]

button mashing melee and entering op mode whenever i feel remotely in danger gets old fast

[molten oxide]

Playing both warframe and D2 it's fun to see how both are going to be increasing their difficulty for activities going forward

[torpid lantern]

Starting over in Warframe has made me realize just how brutal the game is if you don't have time to grind for mods

[cyan crest]

Same
Which sucks considering the kind of game we're playing :p
Why is this getting pointed up Im just saying me liking skill based difficulty is bad for me playing warframe

[cyan crest]

Or forma'ing a frame 78 times

[vital creek]

if they do duviri well it will be by far my favorite game mode

[zenith jacinth]

Same

[torpid lantern]

[zenith jacinth]

I haven't even obtained that much in my entire time of playing

[molten oxide]

And when you get to a high enough level you start needing to get many catalysts and reactors to get gear you made and like up to your standard fighting level

[torpid lantern]

Only if Duviri has really really good lore. I've been dying for some real deep content. New War kinda scratched the itch but not on any looming unanswered question

[vital creek]

yea some more good lore would be cool, but even if they completely drop the ball there i'm hyped for the potential of not trivial gameplay

[cyan crest]

It scratched my "Ballas has to die a lot" itch

[zenith jacinth]

Oh ye lore. Need lore, want lore, gimme lore

[vital creek]

yummy lore

[zenith jacinth]

Please don't eat the lore

[torpid lantern]

if they drop the ball, I will probably be retiring

[molten oxide]

And after going through all of Ordan Karris's audio messages, I now enjoying the world building and the possibilities

[torpid lantern]

Ordan my boi!

[zenith jacinth]

I still gotta get all the codex fragments

[cyan crest]

I honestly just want a nice explanation for Twoshin
Even if he were to be our Teshin, at least let's have a good explanation for it and not just "void stuff"

[molten oxide]

Also, warframe scratches this one niche itch of mine of finesse Melee combat and guns mixing with them

[torpid lantern]

I'm still hoping DE will record and implement all those new great Ordis jokes from the contest

[vital creek]

yea i like the movement, it just lacks difficulty

[zenith jacinth]

Bloodborne

[cyan crest]

Doesn't really count when you use most guns to parry melee attacks
And somehow heals
Hell yeah more games should have the ability to parry heals

[torpid lantern]

Haha why does thinking about this stress me out 😅

[molten oxide]

I wonder how umbra would react to the mechanical Dax

[cyan crest]

In no way probably

[zenith jacinth]

Short confusion into angery

[vital creek]

i don't think he'd be particularly effected by it?

[zenith jacinth]

Or maybe depression

[torpid lantern]

I'm worried he's been forgotten.. he should have been a prerequisite in New War. Leaving him out in that one especially gives me the impression he's not coming back

[vital creek]

yea i think hes done with his story arc

[cyan crest]

I don't think forcing the player into a particulsr frsme would've been the right idea

[zenith jacinth]

His big bad is dead, and he did mothing

[vital creek]

they could've brought him in for the cutscene part prior to drifter though

[zenith jacinth]

They did in the sacrifice too tho

[cyan crest]

Only for the last 2 missions and only because it was his storyline

[torpid lantern]

The cutscene before Drifter would've been perfect for him. You almost never used a frame in the quest

[vital creek]

yeas

theres like no frame gameplay prior to that point, and it would narratively work

[zenith jacinth]

And then there's technically kahl and drifter both taking away frames and weapons

[molten oxide]

And since Sacrifice is a main story quest, the player should still have him around technically

[torpid lantern]

Besides, grabbing the operator's hand as they grabbed Lotus would've had way more impact If it was Umbra protecting them

[molten oxide]

So it would've been nice if he was at least somewhere in the camp with your last used frame where the arsenal is

[cyan crest]

Maybe that, yeah, but i really cant inagine the later part of the quest outside my trusty mesa or mag
I'm a Cephalon of preferences and im too attached to those two

[vital creek]

could've had umbra try to stop ballas but have to choose between revenge and saving op

[zenith jacinth]

Swords can be ranged weapons if necessary

[torpid lantern]

Yes!! And when he chooses Op, you see that he's grown past the grief and found a new child to love and protect

Aaaahhhhh the potential is killing me

Not to mention someone explain where the frame went after Op gets yeeted into the Void. Did Ballas stick it in the post and send it back to your ship? XD

[supple dagger]

Warframe for me has always been fun cause of the movement tbh. Like just moving around in general while bullet jumping and what not is so fun to me(and probably one of the reasons I’m a Gauss main—). The weapons are also fun to use cause you can obliterate almost anything that stands in your way and some of the sound effects they make are super satisfying, like Kuva Bramma when it shoots out arrows, or Acceltra

[zenith jacinth]

Threw it off and ordis picked it up

[vital creek]

yea it feels fun but gameplay feels too easy

[torpid lantern]

Definitely should've been Umbra then. I can't imagine why he wasn't in it

[cyan crest]

I personally find the fact that I have to grind for an unholy amount of hours just so I have a possibility of surviving the higher level areas kinda unfun

In any case, good night

[zenith jacinth]

Tbh he probably would've thanos snapped umbra

[torpid lantern]

Night Fog!

[frail nymph]

Either yeeted into space and later recovered by operator by pressing 5...

Or it went into Duviri, which would maybe explain the strange emphasis on getting fashionframe right before you stary

[cyan crest]

[zenith jacinth]

Oh, it's already 11? Huh.

[vital creek]

yea i'd prefer if combat was more skill based, and grind just helped make it easier if you were still struggling

[molten oxide]

I feel like ballas is the kind of person to parade around his own victory, showing off the lifeless warframes

[torpid lantern]

Lol the 5 thing doesn't seem to canonically work from what we see in lore. Op can transfer to frame but not teleport the frame back.

[frail nymph]

What do you mean "from what we see in lore?"

[zenith jacinth]

Dark souls be like
(Sorry, I'm just really a huge fan of how fromsoft handles difficulty)

[torpid lantern]

Maybe he did and that's why all the other Tenno were too scared to fight him.
Jk

[torpid lantern]

They've never teleported a frame to a different location in any of the story quests. Nor is it mentioned in other lore drops. It appears to be strictly game mechanic

[zenith jacinth]

Oh true, only the other way around has happened so far

[torpid lantern]

Yep

[frail nymph]

That doesn't mean it can't happen.

It's not like anybody is talking about confirmed events in the first place

[zenith jacinth]

I'll also go sleep now

[frail nymph]

TPing a frame is no less absurd than TPing oneself, and this is only one possible way to explain one hypothetical of "what if they threwthe frame into space"

In fact, it happens in the New War, so you'd have to redefine the rules and say New War events don't count unless they are specifically in a camera-cutscene.

[torpid lantern]

It's plausible but I'm hesitant to say they can mess with physics like that until we see them do it.
It is far more "absurd" when you consider the operator is a strange void amalgam while the warframe is not.

[frail nymph]

We have seen them do it

In a main quest

[torpid lantern]

Which

[frail nymph]

New War

[torpid lantern]

When though?

[frail nymph]

3rd Archon

And possibly short range in one of the Ballas fight cutscenes.

[torpid lantern]

I don't know which clip you're referring to. I don't remember there being a quest scene playing in the third fight but it's been awhile

[vital creek]

i'll skim through it because i don't remember that

[frail nymph]

I'm referring to two distinct events

[molten oxide]

After erra dies and don't have your nechramech

[frail nymph]

The clip is a maybe during the Ballas fight

But the non-clip is during the 3rd Archon.

[molten oxide]

would have made sense with umbra since he can fight on his own and follow

[frail nymph]

Umbra would be turned off

He could probably follow during the Heard breakdown in the Deimos quest but not in the Orphix fields

You specifically instruct Cy to take the Railjack to safety as soon as your mech is aboard.

So to fight the Archon, you TP your frame from a Railjack that's far enough away not to take Sun damage

[vital creek]

can't find what you mean about the 3rd archon, but yea you're right about the necramech

[frail nymph]

The 3rd Archon fight is right after when you ditch your necramech...

[vital creek]

oh i see

[frail nymph]

You fight the Archon yourself until you turn off the Orphixes, then summon your frame

[vital creek]

i thought you meant mid fight

[steady gate]

Right after Natah starts getting sucked into the void in New War; frame teleports onto the Operator to grab her

[frail nymph]

Yea it depends on when you define the fight to begin

[torpid lantern]

It's still nebulous because it's not exactly in any of the scenes. And there's several situations in quests where if they had that ability all along, it would have solved so many problems

[frail nymph]

Oh yeah that too, so at least one short range in cutscene and one generally in-quest

[frail nymph]

I don't think there are

In Sacrifice you go willingly to fight alone, and after that you're never really restricted to not having your frame

Outside of Orphix fields

And you only learn the ability in War Within, in which you don't need it, and before which you can't use it

In fact even when going to the Unum's tower you summon your frame from behind Onkko's room.

So far in quests we have used that ability every single time it was needed

[torpid lantern]

Chains of Harrow, Tempestarii, Zariman all have situations where teleporting a frame would have solved the problems. If they can swap between frames without any issues, there shouldn't have been anything stopping them from recovering frames

[frail nymph]

Chains of Harrow is a zone that doesn't allow frames, it wouldn't solve problem.

Same for Zariman, Orphix, etc.

[torpid lantern]

Umbra was a special case because of whatever Ballas did to him, that's why the Op had to physically follow hik

[frail nymph]

And I don't remember tempestarii ever removing you from your frame

[torpid lantern]

Oh you misunderstood

Not removing from a frame. A situation where using transference to teleport a frame would have ended the whole quest

[frail nymph]

Yes that's the exact situation I'm talking about

[vital creek]

might just be you can only maintain a link to one frame at a time

you can't just tap a new frame, teleport your current one to safety, and then teleport the new one to safety

[frail nymph]

You have to get out of a frame to be able to TP it to you, otherwise it's already where you are.

So Tempestarii doesn't have any teleporting need

Meanwhile the other quests have mechanisms that either don't allow teleporting or make teleporting the frame useless.

[torpid lantern]

Teleporting Sevagoth directly to us would have prevented a massive space battle

[frail nymph]

Sevagoth is not a frame in usable condition

And has never been used either

[steady gate]

From what I gathered, your frame gets transference mixed with the Shadow when you unlock the nav coordinates.
Also, we were trying to save the entire ship, not just the Shadow.

[torpid lantern]

The frame can't mix so you mean the operator?

[frail nymph]

You don't even know where Sevagoth is until you find him after the space battle

[vital creek]

yea we were just hanging out with the shadow until the ending

[steady gate]

Our operators Transference stream mixed both our Warframes and the Shadows.

[torpid lantern]

Technically the Op wouldn't know in New War where Cy went so I'm not sure if exact location is relevantb

[frail nymph]

In Chains of Harrow, the teleporting won't be allowed by the Red Veil woman or Rell himself.

In the Zariman the frame wouldn't work even if it was thrown by someone into the unusable zone

[steady gate]

or the entire song section was just us watching the Shadow murder a bunch of invaders while we were paralyzed

[frail nymph]

You were never connected to Sevagoth, unlike your own frame.

[torpid lantern]

Besides, in War Within, the Operator explain they can sense where their Warframe is.

So what prevents them from using it on other frames? Emotional connection?

[frail nymph]

Exactly! Operator could not transference into Sevagoth in that quest any more than they could teleport Sevagoth... Because it's not their frame in the first place

It's all about having used a frame before

And being in a zone where frames are useful in the first place

[torpid lantern]

Okay so.. before I point out that none of the Warframes start out as theirs.. xS

Drifter would've had a bad time

[frail nymph]

All frames are crafted in the foundry other than the starter.

[vital creek]

umbra took a whole process to link to and was also crafted

[frail nymph]

It's not about which frame, it's about doing it to a close by frame at least once

[vital creek]

and drifter could've easily had time to link up that was brushed over

or the drifter/op relationship could just mean they both share links

[torpid lantern]

We're talking about Transference though which we already know can be used by anyone on almost anything if they know what they're doing

[frail nymph]

So far, every time that both A and B are true...
A) If a frame can be transferenced into from afar
And
B) If it is useful to bring that frame to oneself and there is no mechanism restricting transference.

In those "A and B both true" cases, the frame has been brought to the Operator every single time.

That too

[torpid lantern]

There's got to be more to it than just that. Transference was originally scripted for use on enemies (only coding issues prevented it).
And we already know Transference can be used on most living things.

If this warframe situation is to be believed, that would make Transference a means of two-way teleportation

I find that really really hard to believe

I don't have a better explanation for how the frame got there, but accepting a transition clip as canon opene the door for some hefty Transference repercussions

[frail nymph]

Welp, then you have no way to explain two general events and at least one cutscene event in New War

[torpid lantern]

Not two. Just the one event after the Archon

[frail nymph]

It's two. One while entering Unum and one when Archon Orphix fields are off

The one cutscene of frame TPing to operator

[torpid lantern]

Do you mean the balloon scene

[frail nymph]

And one event of operator/Drifter TPing back to the orbiter straight from Zariman even without a frame (beginning of New War act 3)

[frail nymph]

Yes, Cetus is covered in Orphix so you leave your frame behind.

[torpid lantern]

We already know they can do that. They're void based now

[molten oxide]

I thought it was to be stealthy

The whole not using their frame in cetus

[frail nymph]

Yes, they are based on the Void, which creates portals between two points in spacetime, even to different timelines sometimes

There are multiple

The game says Cetus is covered in orphix fields when you try 5

[torpid lantern]

Okay but canonically you don't get your frame back in Unum per cutscene

I actually played all Unum without my frame

[torpid lantern]

Again we know that. But since when did that mean they can just teleport objects?

[frail nymph]

Since them using it in a quest multiple times with no other explanation...?

[frail nymph]

Creating portals in space and time is the definition of teleportation.

The love between two characters right now teleports you between planets just because they were near the heart when it happened

Tl;Dr it's the V o i d

[torpid lantern]

That's the void though. The operator doesn't have all the abilities the void has so suggesting they can make dimensional portals is a huge stretch

[frail nymph]

I mean solar rails are the void even then

[frail nymph]

They literally do it to transport themselves. In and out of the void, to and from frames, and even to and from the orbiter

[steady gate]

You couldn’t. The tunnel would shorten the closer the crystal got to it.

[torpid lantern]

That's very different from making portals to teleport other things

What makes the Warframe different from other items. Why can they transport it through space and time?

[steady gate]

There will be a tunnel as long as the crystals aren’t together.

[frail nymph]

It's not very much of a step when you're directly connected to those things through the void

You don't leave your amp etc behind every time you teleport

[torpid lantern]

It is. One is controlling your physical being. The other is controlling external forces.

Are you suggesting transference would leave them naked

[frail nymph]

The tunnel entrance will run away from the crystal as it shortens to nothing

[frail nymph]

Are you? cause I'm not the one saying only void entities can teleport

There's so much crazier stuff Tenno do than teleporting the one thing they are most deeply connected to. Literally a constant connection to their consciousness

[torpid lantern]

I'm the one saying they can directly control their bodies, presumably that includes whatever is on their body. But they cannot, say, open a void tunnel, control the flow of time, cause void madness, create void entities or anything else that the void can do

There's a limit to their abilities. So if they can teleport a Warframe as implied in New War, why exclusively that?

[frail nymph]

And nobody is talking about manifesting things or controlling the flow of time.

The operator cannot teleport anywhere in the solar system on a whim. They are connected to the machines designed for them to interact with using transference.

[torpid lantern]

Necramechs are similar to Warframes but while they can teleport to it, they can't teleport it to them. What's different? Where are the lines drawn?

[frail nymph]

It's obviously why it'd be exclusively Warframes - Necramechs, and regular objects are not made for Tenno. While Warframes and the transference chair are made such that they are always connected to the respective Tenno across any points in the whole solar system

[frail nymph]

Necramechs don't work the same way Warframes work. They never have

[torpid lantern]

Warframes weren't made for Tenno. That's kinda the whole point

It was an accident that they could control the frames

[frail nymph]

They specifically have a transference bolt installed in them

To make it solar system wide

[torpid lantern]

They always had those. Orokin used them to control the frames as well. It just didn't work out properly

[frail nymph]

Necramechs only have makeshift impulse-rerouting tech

[frail nymph]

There no reason to believe transference bolts existed before transference

[torpid lantern]

The Orokin invented transference

[frail nymph]

Transference was an idea that came from Tenno abilities, tech that's based on them to replicate what they do and also to immensely boost what they do

[torpid lantern]

It was not

[frail nymph]

Yes it was

The Rhini codex is the origin of the whole concept

[torpid lantern]

Ballas says specifically in the Sacrifice that they were already using Transference on the Warframes before the Tenno existed. But they couldn't control them because they were cruel and treating Warframes like machines which made them rampage. It was the Tenno with their empathy that soothed the frames. It had nothing to di with transference

[frail nymph]

Ballas never mentions the word transference for those stages

They were Bio-Drones that were given commands

And this is a moot point

Why is that necessary?

[torpid lantern]

Mental commands via transference. "We drugged them, tortured them, eviscerated then... we brutalized their mind but it didn't work."

He even says it "was not their Void devilry" that allowed them to connect. Which is what you're claiming transference is. Transference already existed in concept.

[frail nymph]

That's not what that says at all

It was about calming the frame, not merely connecting

[torpid lantern]

Silvana used it on a tree. It's unknown whether she did something to the tree first but presumably not

[torpid lantern]

I already said that earlier?

I conced. I don't know what we're taking about anymore

[near rune]

Lotus says that the Orokin "used her [Margulis'] work to create Transference", which would indicate it didn't exist before the Tenno.

[frail nymph]

You implied that because Tenno are needed for their calming ability, their void nature didn't matter

[torpid lantern]

It doesn't matter

Silvana used transference on Titania, Ballas on Umbra

It's nothing special

[near rune]

Warframes have a consciousness that needs to be tamed. Trees and Ravenous Maws and stuff don't.

[frail nymph]

It does, transference as a concept wouldn't exist if Margulis hadn't worked extensively with Tenno, which wouldn't happen before Rhino codex.

Transference is void tech that exists in spite of Tenno, but still thanks to Tenno

[near rune]

The Transference that let Silvana connect with a tree is probably significantly different from the Transference that Tenno use to connect with their frames, but it seems that the former was developed from the latter.

Oh that's what Android just said

[torpid lantern]

Whatever it was, necramech and Warframes both used some type of transference before the Tenno existed. They had to have means for piloting these "drones" or they wouldn't be called drones in the first place

[near rune]

Necramechs seem to be mostly automated, like a Moa, although they can be controlled directly if needed. The warframes had a control technology (like a proto-Transference, maybe), but they failed. They weren't controlled effectively. We see in The Sacrifice that Ballas can stop Umbra from hurting him, but he can't really make Umbra do stuff. Actual control of the warframes seems to be mostly limited to the Tenno.

[molten oxide]

Well, Ballas did cause umbra to kill his son

[near rune]

That's true. Silvana reports that she can also connect with the Titania warframe for "short bursts", so that's probably similar to what Ballas is capable of. Contrast that with how the Tenno can use warframes.

[torpid lantern]

I like the word proto-transference. It makes way more sense then how I've been trying to talk about it

[frail nymph]

Remote control is not a type of transference, transference is a type of remote control

[torpid lantern]

Ok

I'm too exhausted to think clearly anymore, sorry for confusion guys. I'm going to get some sleep. Thanks for chatting

[frail nymph]

Don't sweat it, this is quite productive, way more than just repeatedly answering why Ballas isn't Erra's dog in New War

Refreshed my memory about some New War events and the descriptions of transference ingame

[frail nymph]

Good night!

[torpid lantern]

On the bright side you made me realize I've been using transference as an umbrella term for all remote piloting. Never would have realized the distinction so thank you.

[frail nymph]

If only remembering the algorithm for setting up the Finite Element Method was so easy to refresh :(

It's 12:35am and I have an exam at 5pm so much to study 👀

[graceful zodiac]

Transference was a thing before the Warframe project. That's the point of Silvana's first entry.

Or rather, it's not directly connected to the Warframe project

[molten oxide]

Huh

[steep delta]

interesting

[rain otter]

Also Transferance bolts are brought up often.

[graceful zodiac]

Now those are particularly only in reference to Warframes

[viral palm]

@bright thorn I think I use all white everything for my op/drifter

Except hair I guess

[bright thorn]

i want no hair

[viral palm]

I don't take requests

[bright thorn]

i know

i didnt mean it as such

[viral palm]

I know. Is joke

[frail nymph]

Silvana was only hired after transference was already a thing

Obviously it's not limited to frames, it was used on a tree

But the origin of the concept is still transference therapy

[graceful zodiac]

Yes, but that was before the link to Warframes was discovered is the point

[frail nymph]

They wouldn't hire Silvana if it wasn't about transference therapy. She was hired by Margulis because she was an infeststion biologist specifically to help Tenno.

And the idea for transference was discovered when a tenno accidentally controlled a Warframe

[autumn turret]

transference therapy was already a thing before the warframe incident

[graceful zodiac]

That wasn't the discovery of tranference, that was just them learning the Tenno could control them

[frail nymph]

Then why were the Tenno stored away in basically coffins in the Dream?

[autumn turret]

that was transference therapy..

[frail nymph]

The Second Dream is transference therapy, not the Dream

[autumn turret]

and i think you're asserting something that isnt correct

[frail nymph]

The Dream is just them feeling like floating in nothingness and being calm, but also unable to do anything

That's why she wanted to have transference therapy, so that they didn't have to sleep forever

[autumn turret]

and that would not have involved warframes

[frail nymph]

Obviously not

The Dream isn't related to Warframes

But transference therapy and Second Dream were developed for tech that was infestation, and therefore warframe, compatible

[graceful zodiac]

The second dream wasn't the therapy, that's them full on controlling frames, after margulis

[frail nymph]

I just means in contrast to the Dream

[graceful zodiac]

And the Dream here is the transference therapy

[frail nymph]

Warframe transference is obviously not what Margulis had in mind but transference therapy is anyway about controlling something that could handle their power and stop outbursts

The Dream is not transference therapy, because according to its description in TSD quest, it wouldn't involve anything that allowed them to do anything except sleep.

Transference is obviously not related to sleeping doing nothing even if you just go by name

[graceful zodiac]

The Dream wasn't sleep at all. They were still fully aware of things going on and act

[frail nymph]

Yeah not exactly asleep, more like meditating, but also not moving aroud

[graceful zodiac]

They could still do stuff, it's how the began to control their powers.

[frail nymph]

Control as in not lash out, yeah.

But it was still just a cold dark place from their perspective

The Dream was, as far as we know, a cold, dark but peaceful state they were put into, which stopped their voidyness outbursts, and she would sing to them while they were inside.

And they could only hear her voice like when she was angry at the Orokin

And by definition, The Second Dream/transference is when the Tenno is actually still in the Dream but felt like they woke up because they're using another body. And even though it feels like waking up it's just a second lucid version of the Dream process.

Which means the Dream itself is not fully lucid, otherwise the distinction would be redundant.

I guess the reductionist bottom line is, if not for Rhino codex, Margulis would have to have some reason to believe that an infestation related subject is beneficial to the transference project. And said reason would have to be related to her work - which was with Tenno.

And if such a different thing exists, then the Rhino codex can be an accidental discovery only of the calming part of the Tenno abilities

[frail nymph]

Transference and the Second Dream were basically defined in the same breath.

[dry magnet]

So about duviri we will probably getting devstream this week about that.

And 1 of the big thing i wish to see is the big Hub where the npc-shops-players are

Also hoping for new weapons crafting like a melee or something for our Drifter and some cool cosmetics

What you all expecting to see?

[frail nymph]

There is no such hub in Duviri

They will be in various locations on the main map, changing day to day based on the King's mood

[velvet hedge]

who said that ?

[dry magnet]

They did say we are getting duviri devstream on the end of this month, @frail nymph And for hub I whose thinking like mini city like cetus and fortuna so probably we will get something like that in Duviri world…

Maybe other then 2 blades he can offered us some better swords like from 1 all to the 5 ranks we get to unlock something better and maybe even some cool upgrades for them. I think it would be nice. Maybe that is how we get to unlock 3 elements that he whose having in new war like fire electricity and ice effects…

[velvet hedge]

i was aking for the devstream so thanks

so ig friday is devstream and maybe update coming short after finally

after years and years

[dry magnet]

I think so yea

All we can hope is that they can say next month we can expect to get duvidi update

[velvet hedge]

i hope it comes next month too

[dry magnet]

Because it whose end last year 3 months after that is more then enough to fix everything and finally giving us that update

[velvet hedge]

they said it comes in winter 2023

so in less than a month

[dry magnet]

Hmm

[velvet hedge]

i think they said on devstream during lua's prey announcement

[dry magnet]

Lets hope we are right

[balmy storm]

They’ll tell us during the Devstream this month, which should be on Friday

[scarlet basalt]

An announcement about tennocon 2023 😮
They really have a lot in stock, i wonder if this will be about the solar system Tau or something else 🤔 ?

[dry magnet]

looks like devstream is not in end of this month -_-

DE laye again on that at least...

But maybe update will come on that same day and that the reason for all that... 😏

[thick jolt]

My guess is duviri in april

[dry magnet]

if we are lucky

but we are not 😄

[balmy storm]

Could be end of March

[autumn turret]

what?

[swift olive]

In December they said we'd get more details about Duviri in January, that turned into February and now early March

[autumn turret]

didnt last devstream just say next devstream

[scarlet basalt]

we still got a little bit of details in january.
Yes that's the only way to cope the "december annoucement" lmao

[swift olive]

"As we move into the holiday season, look forward to a Duviri-focused Devstream in January 2023" from 166

[supple dagger]

I hope they don't announce Duviri just for tennocon

[autumn turret]

yes and then the jan dev stream said "next devstream" didnt it

ok the overview does say feb devstream

[swift olive]

yep

[autumn turret]

which didnt happen

but also like.. who cares

[swift olive]

yeah a few more days isn't that bad anymore

[balmy storm]

Let’s just hope delay means it’ll be coming sooner

[autumn turret]

i just hope it gets a date

[swift olive]

at the very least a clear timeframe

[autumn turret]

the jan devstream overview does clickbait a bit with "duviri details"

[balmy storm]

Hopefully delays also mean it’ll be good, guess we’ll have some idea of that soon though

[autumn turret]

because the details is that more details are coming later

[balmy storm]

Kaithe customization

[autumn turret]

horse armor dlc

[balmy storm]

What color will your house be?

[swift olive]

default colors 😎

[scarlet basalt]

Unlikely, but with how the system is messier than before, i guess something crazy will come out of tennocon 2023 ?
Surely focused on the void but i kinda hope that they explore the path with the hivemind tbh (yes i love the infested), like... The hivemind make her appearance in the game ? Or something like that i hope. Like the hivemind do lore bomb of the game and how they comprehend the void ?

[dry magnet]

What if on this duviri devstream they showing us what it looks like and then just boom 💥 update is here go and have fun… 😅 but knowing DE it would be 2 more months probably more 😏

[scarlet basalt]

I think they're very close to release it but they may wait some fixes that could crash the game or how laggy Lodun can be maybe ?

[dry magnet]

Yea maybe

[autumn turret]

the problem with a tennocon release is the break they take after tennocon generally

or am i mixing up breaks

[scarlet basalt]

I'm sure Lodun can crash the game tbh. Like he is too big to be at 60 fps 😭

[swift olive]

They also added a bunch of Duviri related assets with Citrine's Last Wish, the Dormizone has been updated as well

[autumn turret]

its definately soon™️

[scarlet basalt]

wdym 👀 ?

[autumn turret]

teshin's nikanas are gone from the dormizone

[balmy storm]

True

[dry magnet]

They know if they give us 1 more delays it would bee big disappointment for all of us and probably 90% players stop playing just because of that so that DE can see is not to that milion times will not be smart move

[balmy storm]

It’s March for sure

[torpid lantern]

I'm thinking part of their 10 year anniversary

[swift olive]

There's also a new, large decoration outside the elevator / near the front door

[balmy storm]

When’s the anniversary?

[balmy storm]

There is?

[torpid lantern]

March something

[scarlet basalt]

March 25

[balmy storm]

Yeah I couldn’t find an exact date, but that seems possible

[dry magnet]

What it looks like?

[balmy storm]

If the stream is in March showing off potentially finished systems then that seems possible

[scarlet basalt]

please can you screenshot it for me 🥺

[torpid lantern]

10 year is a HUGE anniversary so they'll definitely have to do something spectacular! Doing Duviri seems like the easiest way to go

[swift olive]

Sure, one moment

[scarlet basalt]

omg if we get a dex gauss skin he would be so fine 😭

[balmy storm]

Considering how highly they talk about Duviri it makes sense to make it even more special tbh

[graceful zodiac]

That would never happen, there have been worse delays that this

[dry magnet]

Yea make sense,and also hoping some new cosmetics but this time for our Drifters 😅

[balmy storm]

Hopefully all Op cosmetics will be accessible on Drifter

[swift olive]

This thing

[balmy storm]

Woah

[scarlet basalt]

What is that ?

[dry magnet]

I whose just about to type that

[balmy storm]

Could be a foundry or communication station maybe?

It looks like there’s a screen maybe? What is that

[dry magnet]

First computer ever made

[swift olive]

I think it's a terminal of some sort, probably for communication or perhaps it will have something to do with the dormizone farm?

[balmy storm]

Finally, we get the Tennonet

[balmy storm]

I hope the farm means hunger for drifter for no reason

[scarlet basalt]

Unlikely a foundry, but maybe yes a computer.
If this is like avatar and the tenno sleep on the thing and wake up as the drifter... That would be so funny but wth 😭

[torpid lantern]

It looks like a bar! I'd like a martini please! Shaken, not stirred.

[balmy storm]

But what about the door ):

[balmy storm]

Imagine, we get Wally as our personal bartender

[swift olive]

The room behind the door has also been partially added, but you can't use freecam anymore to get there iirc

[balmy storm]

That was the whole purpose of Duviri

[torpid lantern]

Nightmare fuel isn't enough

[swift olive]

It's unfinished and doesn't show anything special, so there's a good reason they closed it off

[scarlet basalt]

The void infused margarita

[balmy storm]

Warframe themed drinks

[dry magnet]

Close dor is something for duviri so its a room for portal on that world like fast travel or bedroom with some cool drifter outfits hanging on

[torpid lantern]

The little arrow pointing to the screen makes me think you select something and/or put materials in and it prints you something out

[autumn turret]

yea not really..