spoiler-chat

[cyan crest]

A necramech that can't use abilities probably

[random pulsar]

I meant with anti transference sentients

[supple dagger]

Father says they disable transference

Mech can by used just because they have sentient immunity

[random pulsar]

oh

So they are made to destroy sentients right

[supple dagger]

Yes

[obtuse gyro]

Railjacks yes, but not to the scale of the zariman

[zenith jacinth]

Father never said anything about them tho

[obtuse gyro]

Overrides warframes not disables transference

[swift pond]

Wouldn't be able to use Mechs either if Transference was off the table.

[edgy sierra]

my operator can use her morgha by herself

[old dome]

was messing around in this weeks archon hunt and found the vastilok to be a viable weapon for it.

[wooden merlin]

Whats the best way to level up the zariman and get standing?

[random pulsar]

Is there even any other ways except for doing bounties

[wooden merlin]

I mean the blue statue stuff

[compact haven]

Far as I'm aware it's bounties and turning in voidplumes

Which is just more bounties 😂

[random pulsar]

That's basically just doing bounties tho

[wooden merlin]

I mean exterminate and pick the area for those things

[steady gate]

Well if you don’t like the look of any of them, doesn’t really matter

They don’t do anything besides fashion (as far as I know)

[swift pond]

Slightly off-topic, but you keep reminding me of another seafood-in-a-suit user on the Market server. Messes me up everytime.

[balmy badger]

I adore the Voidshell suit, closest thing I can get to a techsuit without the bulky armor pieces.

[real niche]

I'm ticked off because no bulky armor for Drifter

[steady gate]

…just put Warframe armor and a big syandana on the drifter

[real niche]

They are

[real niche]

Not good enough.

[balmy badger]

It's planned, but it's not gonna happen for a good while.

I just want facial hair for Drifter.

Hopefully that'll be in Duviri.

[zenith jacinth]

Bishamo

And smelter

Bishamo is good on male too

Voidshell can replace those, I don't like them either

But the rest is good

[orchid remnant]

Who said no? Bishamo is great on male

[swift pond]

Girl Ops/Women Drifters get the best cosmetic differences though. See Emissaries dreads for an example.

[zenith jacinth]

What

[supple dagger]

Hey I want to know does my lich have a ephmera

[near rune]

Looks like it might be Vengeful Pull, the magnetic ephemera. You can see the little dots of light moving around the body. I'm not 100% sure though, the video's not great. I would bring up the wiki page for the ephemeras and compare it to what you see in your Lich screen.

[wild copper]

It's the cold one
Styanax is a cold progenitor

[rain otter]

It should say in the stats if it does

[wild copper]

it doesn't

[stark sundial]

you can see it on the lich so yes you have one

[supple dagger]

Is anyone else disappointed that you can't use the New War frapons as your operator? I was so hyped having her using a bow and a knife

[zenith jacinth]

Gun

[swift pond]

Also dissapointed Drifter didn't keep their kit

[edgy sierra]

#bringbackspoilermodemelee

[swift pond]

Duviri is coming my friend, we'll get it back...

[zenith jacinth]

#letspoilermodekeepmelee

[onyx shore]

broken necks pretty sick

[swift pond]

The least snobby Brit

(I say as a Brit myself lol)

[supple dagger]

i just recognize suda who are the others? or whe dont know yet

[cyan crest]

The others are unknown

Halako has a section of the zariman named after them but that's it

They're archimedeans but like that's the end of what we know

[supple dagger]

[jagged sable]

Technically we sort of "know" about Halako since Halako perimeter

[cyan crest]

which I already specified

[zenith jacinth]

Wonder if we'll ever find out about the others

[jagged sable]

Ooof I didn't read that part. >_>;; I feel silly

[north trail]

I just realized there's 7 archimedeans

The orokin must have really liked the number 7 huh

[zenith jacinth]

There's more

You do realize that it's an archimedean listing those 7 archimedeans, right

Also, marge

[mental mural]

And the one from Lavos's leverian

[zenith jacinth]

Javi

[swift pond]

Javi was an archimedean? My reading comp is failing me atm.

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[swift pond]

Just wanted to make sure

[near rune]

Other Archimedians known to us are Perintol and Silvana

[torpid lantern]

Silvana wasn't an archimedian. She was an infestation biologist

But we also know Granum had a bunch of unnamed archimedians working for him too

[near rune]

Amaryn: "[…] it's just another abomination, made by some delusional Archimedian."

Granted, Amaryn is not necessarily an expert, but it's a reasonable guess that Silvana was, in fact, an Archimedian. She was an expert scholar and researcher and worked alongside other Archimedians on high-priority Orokin projects.

[torpid lantern]

Maybe... but then Amaryn didn't fully understand what she was talking about in that moment either so it's hard to believe her. (Calling the grove an abomination).

Silvana wasn't the only one involved in the project but she was only there due to Margulis specifically wanting an infestation biologist. She's not referred to as an archimedian and most of the lore seems to indicate they are two different lines of work.
She was involved back when it was just a surrogate project, but was then pulled into the Warframe project after Margulis was imprisoned and/or executed.

Because of the way she revered Margulis which is somewhat odd if they were peers and that no one else calls her an archimedian it seems more likely that she wasn't.
But we could probably settle with a maybe? Unfortunately I don't think we'll learn any more about her going forward

[near rune]

Like I said, Amaryn's not an expert, but in my opinion something is better than nothing. Someone (who may not be correct) refers to her as an Archimedian; that's evidence in my book, though not as strong as I'd like. She compares with other known Archimedians in the scope and style of her work (Margulis, Perintol). There's not really anything against her being an Archimedian. I would say that weak direct evidence + some circumstantial evidence is enough for me to say she's an Archimedian. But everyone is entitled to their own conclusions and standards of belief.

[hollow radish]

As I understand it, archimedians were a class of researchers and other academics in Orokin society rather than a group that you could exhaustively list by naming several people. Perintol is another archimedian we've heard named, in the Detron Crewman synthesis lore snippet. They were Ballas' catspaw for presenting the idea to terraform Tau via the Sentients.

The Silver Grove also refers to Margulis by name as an archimedian.

Specifically, by way of Silvana's records.

[near rune]

Recent lore indicates the Archimedians were fairly organised as a body. Kaelli mentions an Archimedian Collegium, presumably the certifying body or training institution. Yonta mentions a group of Archimedian Seniors as well as regular Archimedian Symposia. All signs point to an organised and likely centralised societal institution of learning and scholarship.

Now, it's clear that there were more than "several", and I imagine the ranks of the Archimedians likely did range into the hundreds or thousands, but I also imagine it would be quite possible for certain parties (the Archimedian Seniors and the Orokin Executors) to reach into the records and exhaustively list every single member if given the inclination.

[obtuse gyro]

So basically: academic but more toxic

[edgy sierra]

nah less toxic that academia nowadays

[obtuse gyro]

I mean $40 per article versus death

[cyan crest]

It would substitute those 40 dollars for death if it had the chance

[hollow radish]

Oh! I see, thank you.

[clever rapids]

Posting my messed up ship here because Drifter's Camp

[swift pond]

You sure it's them and not Wally?

[wild copper]

Yea, it's just wally imitating your operator

[steady gate]

There’s a forced Wally spawn after The Sacrifice, but a lot of people don’t notice it

Yeah

Cephalon Cy can’t even see the Reliquary drive or Wally

[lusty cave]

My big question about the drives, is how'd they get all those fingers? If the wall is only missing one, then either they cloned it(possible and reasonable) ... Or they went and took fingers from many realities walls(less likely but more intriguing imo)

[zenith jacinth]

There only is one wally

He's a void gremlin

[river willow]

Archemidian yonta says that there were a few original drives And the others were cloned. The other original copies were probably from other peoples experiences in the void

[lusty cave]

On the contrary, eternalism dictates there are unlimited wallies/alternate everybody's... Including a line where Rell never did his thing.

[zenith jacinth]

That applies to things originating outside the void

There only is one void where wally could originate from

[lusty cave]

I don't think 'Wally ' the entity is the same thing as the wall itself

[zenith jacinth]

What wall

[river willow]

The one at the end of the new war

[lusty cave]

The one you see him sitting on in the end of the new war

[zenith jacinth]

That was him making fun of our name for him

But it was him

[lusty cave]

I disagree, I feel it was very akin to full metal alchemist take on it imo, where there was a wall that represented a barrier and a separate entity that is the would be gate keeper

[river willow]

Yeah but like there’s a literal man in the wall I think that’s all there really is about it. Other than what the dude said which is still mysterious and stuff

It doesn’t really seem like a barrier. It just seems like Wally saying ayyoo it’s me the man in the wall

[lusty cave]

Vitruvian Man in The Wall 😏 seems more symbolic than actual

[obtuse gyro]

Which is an incredibly tough stance to have given that according to the art team the giant vitruvian man was constructed there using debris. Not to mention that we can reference albretch and rell's experiences to determine the humanoid is Wally, and then use the missing finger to determine the giant wall man is also Wally

[cyan crest]

The shape shifter shifted shapes, who would have guessed

[obtuse gyro]

Ikr! Took me by complete surprise that the shape shifter shifted shapes

[lusty cave]

But then why wouldn't the apparition of Wally that visits us be missing a finger .. If they are one in the same

[cyan crest]

The art panel called the big wall thing "the man in the wall" so like case closed

[edgy sierra]

he's taking our form, which last I checked, had all fingers

[cyan crest]

Also the apparition is the one that lost the fingers in the first place, just to Albrecht instead of us

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, its literally doing what it did to albretch to us, so unless you would like to tell albretch that "surprise theres two of them!" The answer is that theyre the same

[cyan crest]

And Albrecht calls the apparition "that man, trapped in the wall"

Both are called the Man in the wall

[graceful zodiac]

Because Wally has full control over what he looks like. He also very aware of missing a finger, given his cutscene appearance when you install the Reliquary Drive on your Railjack

[cyan crest]

Yes! He hides one finger there, then the relic starts tapping

[obtuse gyro]

Side note: losing his finger must have been the best thing ever for wally if his goal was to make it into real space

[cyan crest]

It did directly lead to the Zariman jump so probably

[lusty cave]

I'm gonna have to rewatch this a third time, cause it sure seemed like the wall just swooped in fully formed.... Not a piece together deal , despite anything the art team said 😅

[graceful zodiac]

What we got in the quest isn't quite the concept, but it's still the exact same idea

Wally appearing in an ironic form

[cyan crest]

It doesn't form in the moment, he swoops already changed to the wall, but still, he is intended to be the man in the wall in a form that mocks our nickname to it
Cause it's a man
In a wall

[obtuse gyro]

Almost, but thanks to all the shenanigans that happened now wally's burst through

[cyan crest]

It's still not his true form

[lusty cave]

I still don't think it is...a man exactly... Unless it's the insane spirit of the Archimedean who discovered the void to begin with... Like attaching any sort of reproductive characteristics to, for what all we know, is that dimensions God, seems silly to me 😅

[cyan crest]

It really is just a name

[graceful zodiac]

It's called a man by most, so that's what we're sticking with

[cyan crest]

He seems to go with it tho

He also seems to know about renaissance art which like, alright that's oddly specific

[lusty cave]

And the head gear he's wearing as the wall looks oddly dax-like

[cyan crest]

To be fair, it's less that he's wearing anything and more that his head just ends in an odd shape

[lusty cave]

Maybe you do, but to me it's just another boat 🤣

They all boats... Space boats, air boats .. Boats for all 😅

[graceful zodiac]

The wall part doesn't have a head to begin with. If you mean the regular Wally apparition, that should just be the Lotus helmet

[cyan crest]

lotus wasnt a ship the last time i checked

[obtuse gyro]

Half a head, with a mouth to confuse and waylay all of us but the sound team

[cyan crest]

Ooooh
Yeah like that's something people do with ships

[graceful zodiac]

Yeah. Boats and most vehicles default to she

Probably some deeper societal view thing to it, but not the place

[lusty cave]

It's nearly a full head, with a form covering the eye/forehead area, and expanding outward, like a dax helmet

[obtuse gyro]

Hope youre not trying to suggest hes a dax lol

[cyan crest]

He could be mocking them

[graceful zodiac]

It's really not

[cyan crest]

We did just lost Teshin to a splitting headache

[lusty cave]

No but I do think he's more connected to the orokin than we've been told

[graceful zodiac]

This is not a fully formed head

[lusty cave]

Pretty close

[graceful zodiac]

That's straight up the top half not existing

[lusty cave]

Minus hair, the only thing that's missing is the top of the head (provided you consider a hat of some kind)

[cyan crest]

That's a big chunk of head missing

Me, i have them

[lusty cave]

Void key fits there 😏

[graceful zodiac]

Two giant slots going through it make it being anything else a hard sell

[lusty cave]

Yeah, that thing in excal primes face... It would go right in that slot, leaving only the top of the head missing

[obtuse gyro]

More connected to the orokin despite no one but one void-touched kid with autism believing him (being albretch not wally)

[lusty cave]

They had the drives before rell was a glimmer in the eye of his daddy... That wasn't the orikins first run in with Wally

[obtuse gyro]

... kim, who do you think deimos Grandpa is

[graceful zodiac]

Only one person ran into Wally

Being Albrecht. Wally didn't fully appear to anyone else until the Zariman

[obtuse gyro]

The only other person other than albretch to have seen wally before rell was yonta, and she clearly doesnt know what she saw

[graceful zodiac]

She doesn't even believe anything was actually there

[obtuse gyro]

"hurr durr something came through"

"Perhaps it was the giant wall man missing a finger?"

"Nah those arent real"

[cyan crest]

Still didnt believe in him
Ngl the orokin got what they deserve they're as smart as a bag of hammers

[cyan crest]

Perhaps Yonta's dream has soemthing to do with Wally

[obtuse gyro]

Dream?

[cyan crest]

Oh my sweet summer child

Crap i cant get the image to load

Dream

[lusty cave]

Stuff like that makes me think they're more connected, not less

[obtuse gyro]

OH that dream

[cyan crest]

Must be a fun visual

Animated Yonta dream when, DE

[obtuse gyro]

When you say connected, do you mean "there is some relation" or "the orokin have something to do with this"

Because youre making it sound like the latter an awful lot

[obtuse gyro]

I bet she's not dreaming of the real albretch

[lusty cave]

I mean relation, like our worlds wouldn't even be aware of each other if long ago dude didn't go poking around in there

[cyan crest]

I mean

A dude went poking around

That's why we have void travel

[lusty cave]

Well yeah... That's not really in question

[cyan crest]

Then i don't get what you're saying, sorry

[lusty cave]

It's like all that happened long ago though... We Don't know what kinda 'deal with the devil' was made waaay back then to make void travel possible....I guess I'm just confused about details pre old war (understandably imo since you have to scour obscure codex entries for info on the time)

[obtuse gyro]

well we know for sure that Albretch never shook hands with wally

and only grabbed his severed finger(s) off the floor

and then researched them

but never saw Wally ever again

and nobody till Yonta, and then soon after Rell, would see wally again

[cyan crest]

We have a detailed account of the events

Also it wasnt so back then
Grandpa entrati was alive after the Zariman incident

[near rune]

Yeah, there wasn't a "deal with the Devil" to make Void travel possible. Albrecht went to the Void, saw the "Devil", and ran away from him immediately. Then the Orokin developed Void travel through research and study.

[cyan crest]

Apparently never questioning why their source of all that knowlege was a 2 meter long finger

[lusty cave]

That could still be hundreds of years as the orokin made old age meaningless

[cyan crest]

Not to him, who stopped using kuva

Explicitly

[obtuse gyro]

I mean the interval distance between grandpappy and yonta is still some quite large margin compared to yonta and rell

[cyan crest]

Yeah that's fair

[near rune]

Even without kuva, I'd imagine Orokin lives were fairly long. They were known masters of biology. They weren't immortal without kuva, but that doesn't mean Albrecht couldn't have lived for many decades afterward.

[cyan crest]

Mmm, fair
Still it's different to the thousands of years of difference that could've been in between if we knee he still used kuva

[lusty cave]

True, but anything outside our view of 'a long time' could be skewed

[near rune]

We know Albrecht was around near the time of the Zariman, since he mentions it in his Vitruvian, but he does seem to have vanished before it left, based on Yonta's dream.

[cyan crest]

Yonta's dream could be an entirely post mortem thing

[graceful zodiac]

He also doesn't say he's gonna stop using Kuva until after Zariman and stuff happens

[obtuse gyro]

Or maybe he went into a recluse mindset and so yonta doesnt know where he's gone (despite being on Deimos)

[near rune]

Yonta's dialogue indicates she doesn't know much about the state of the System despite having us to talk to. She asks about Suda. So even if her dream is post-mortem, it's still referencing his disappearance, which ergo must have happened before the Zariman left.

[wild wind]

Hmm, there's also the line from Quinn that we think is referring to Mother meeting Father?

Like, iirc he mentions losing her twice, once to her suitor and again to her father's issues

Wait does that mean that Quinn was trying to hit on an Orokin? Dang, man has some brass balls.

tru

[cyan crest]

But his vitruvian is in their home and it's recordee after the Zariman incident...
Although it's also found over a void portal

[near rune]

The Vitruvian was not necessarily recorded before the Zariman incident. It only mentions "the unholy Zariman parade", which possibly could have happened years before the Zariman incident.

The Orokin made a big deal about the Zariman to attract colonists to inhabit it. I think that's what the parade was, or maybe the final procession prior to launch.

[cyan crest]

Unholy is very related to the tenno imho

[near rune]

I disagree for this context

Generally, yes, but Albrecht seemed to have revulsion for the Void as a whole

after his voyage

[wild wind]

The recording Albrecht has hidden in the necraloid room on Deimos

The one that unlocks as you rank up the Deimos syndicates

[near rune]

And the Orokin wouldn't have made a parade for the Tenno (until the very end of the war). They hated them and were afraid of them. The "Zariman parade" could only have happened before, in my opinion.

[cyan crest]

Ic

[wild wind]

Parade can also have a connotation of "debacle", though.

Dog and pony show, circus, etc.

[supple dagger]

Which archon is in rotation rn? I can't check through the app

Nira

Ooo cute snake lady! Shexs my favorite <3

[desert lintel]

Snexs

[thick jolt]

They didnt atract colonists
They seemed to have been specifically invited/ordered to go
As shown by the redacted zariman invitation from the arg that left little choice on the matter

[earnest idol]

Ten zero

So there's more than one ship

[zenith jacinth]

10-0

That's just the ship name

Ten-o

[steep delta]

what da hek is a Vitruvian lol

oh

i played the sacrifice i just never knew that lol

i've actually completed up to veilbreaker

i wonder if there will be a quest explaining why there are Thrax variants on Lua come the new update on the 30th

or do anyone here just think it'll be lore pickups and stuff

[obtuse gyro]

Not too sure if we'll learn why in Lua's Prey, but methinks we're definitely learning in Duviri

[flat shadow]

We might. I mean, it makes sense to me. But DE doesn't always explain.

[supple dagger]

Orokin diary via audio recordings

[steep delta]

interesting

[cyan crest]

You can apparently record them even if you cant speak
How? Idk, but unless they have some really emotional text to speech tech it might like be telepathic or something

[zenith jacinth]

What

[cyan crest]

Albrecht explicitly says in his vitruvian he could never speak again... while speaking
You do see the problem there

[near rune]

The letter specifically says "applicants". People applied to be part of it. They believed in its mission. Quinn said that to the common people, the Zariman represented hope. It was only during the journey that they became fearful of the jump.

[thick jolt]

Maybe its the way people were treated by tuvul in the logs but i still get an off feeling from that letter

[near rune]

Once they're on board, they don't have a choice

[flat shadow]

I get the impression that not all the 'applicants' actually applied.

[cyan crest]

I'd say that covering up an event so massive after it crashed so horribly would be like impossible, but yknow, the it's the orokin
"Believe the lies or get the funny green light"

[near rune]

I don't get the impression from any of the Zariman crew, including the Holdfasts and all the communications we get during the ARG, that anyone was there against their will.

They were afraid of the jump, of course, but that's different.

[near rune]

I think it's yet another demonstration of the Orokin's hubris to think you can get rid of something like that. They clearly were never completely successful because even in the modern day the Arbiters of Hexis revere the Zariman as a religious icon, meaning it survived as a myth in some form.

[cyan crest]

If this is true then the Ember codex is buried under even more layers of impossibility
Kahleen could've never believed such a big colony was actually a military ship with no children inside if it was marketed for appliances, further more given the fact that there were mucking classrooms in the ship she herself inspected

And the discrepancy of "a few days" and "years" from her and Lotus' accounts

[near rune]

The time discrepancy in the accounts leads me to discount many of the details from Ember's Codex entry as retconned. At this point I basically only count as canon the fact that there was a person named Kaleen.

Ember Codex also seems to imply the jump was some routine thing. "Nothing ever returns from the fold"

[cyan crest]

Super same

[near rune]

It also says the jump was to "the Outer Gates" (Pluto), instead of to Tau

So yeah I mostly ignore Ember Prime these days. It dates from 2014, before there were any quests or really any effort to tell the story of Warframe.

[cyan crest]

The only thing it gets right is that the ship was in Saturn

[near rune]

Yep, DE really kept that one bit canon for some reason

[zenith jacinth]

I forgot that it's a vitruvian

[steep delta]

Easiest way to do Zenith Granum Void solo?

[real niche]

Xoris, spam heavy detonation

[rotund geode]

i personally used cortege and picked up the timer increases, but its way harder to do solo because the devs made it so its difficult to solo rather than group

in solo mode the specter spirit increase the specters level by 50

[real niche]

It's super easy to solo, the whole point of Xoris is to counter the mechanic where they join together and get higher levels

[steep delta]

how do i do it without the Xoris though?

[ruby eagle]

High dmg weapons i guess

[obtuse gyro]

rev and mesa I would think

[rotund geode]

saryn is also a good option

[real niche]

Why not use Xoris is the better question? Don't tell me you sold it.

[steep delta]

i didn't. i suck at using it

that's why

[obtuse gyro]

Well what have you been doing with it?

[steep delta]

not using it

[real niche]

Just hold e, press middle mouse while it flies, and then hold e as it returns to you and repeat until you win.

[steep delta]

got it to 30 the uneqipped it

i'm using controller and i'm usually pretty good with glaives on controller lol

xoris though...

nope

[real niche]

You use it the exact same as any other glaive though

[steep delta]

i'll try some practice in the simulacrum later

[night raptor]

I am once again posting my Operator

[zenith jacinth]

He looks like his name would be james or william

[night raptor]

No

[zenith jacinth]

Richard?

[night raptor]

Anyway, anyone who doesn't have two operator loadouts (one for combat another for formalwear) is taking an L biologically.

[zenith jacinth]

I have 3 different bishamo ones

I really like bishamo

[night raptor]

I only use Bishamo for it's arms.

[zenith jacinth]

I use arms and chest

Umbra scarf, voidshell legs

[night raptor]

Armored to the teeth

Also you gotta do Drifter Drip

Green is underused in a lot of cases

[zenith jacinth]

I'll do drifter drip when they have good non-prime suits

[steep delta]

prime suits are good though

[tight lion]

barruk prime no have trailer ?

[river willow]

he doesn't have a trailer yet

[pearl forum]

The lotus choice at the end of tnw def Will impact true endgame

Definitely

[hollow radish]

Define, "True endgame"

If you mean some kind of end to the plot, I don't see that happening.

[edgy sierra]

its just cosmetic

[hollow radish]

I mean, it sounded like something else to me but I completely get that fashionframe is the true endgame.

[velvet wing]

I like that there’s just something called Megan, I like to think it’s an eyeshadow quad

[hollow radish]

I wonder what other April Fools' jokes they've done, offhand 🤔

[zenith jacinth]

Money

[cyan crest]

The appearance is, the name impacts dialogue in Angels and possibly other future quests

[edgy sierra]

does it? the quest itself?

[cyan crest]

Yep

Margulis, natah and lotus have different dialogue at the start of the quest

[edgy sierra]

ahh, drifter and operator also have a lot of differing dialogue too

[supple dagger]

still salty that my 'natah' is named 'natah' because of drift

I would have much preferred that she be named lotus since that's what I personally know her as

[cyan crest]

Then uhm
You should've chosen Lotus

[edgy sierra]

he did, cause eternalism

[cyan crest]

Another him did, the he present here did not

[supple dagger]

I chose Lotus for nostalgia purposes

[cyan crest]

A future him might have...

[edgy sierra]

i chose marg

[edgy sierra]

cause I'm a mooner

[supple dagger]

😔

[cyan crest]

What

[edgy sierra]

nah, I meant what I said

full moon all the way

emotionless, detached logic

[supple dagger]

Lotus Nostalgia I wish I can get the classic lotus tho

[cyan crest]

You can
It's literally free

[supple dagger]

Or the good old generated one

[supple dagger]

What

I kinda miss goofy lean lotus

[cyan crest]

If you go customize the Lotus you can change her skin to the classic one

[supple dagger]

The lotus helmet right?

[cyan crest]

Yes

The classic skin is free

[supple dagger]

Great

[cyan crest]

Ngl i chose Lotus cause free radiant Lotus

And it's a pretty outfit

And also character development and what not

Should've chosen Natah or Marg ngl, their dialogue in Angels is better :p

[pearl forum]

😦

But fr tho the lotus i want is the ai skin

Remember

Before tnw

Those who did the sacrifice quest were stuck whit an ai lotus

Ye

Or dod i miss an explanation

[balmy badger]

It wasn't an AI, it was Ordis synthesizing her messages.

[pearl forum]

Once again

I missed some info

[zenith jacinth]

I don't think it's ever mentioned in-game that it's ordis

[balmy badger]

The inbox message you get at the end of Apostasy Prologue.

[cyan crest]

Ordis says he's synthesizing her mission control dialogue

[swift pond]

Yeah, it's Ordis

So we did, in a sense, get him as mission control for years. Hooray?

[cyan crest]

The Jupiter sabotage has him as mission control for an entire mission

So like
Hooray for jupiter

[swift pond]

Why does Jupiter have all the fun stuff

[cyan crest]

You can kill Alad for infinity

And it has the funny Natah monologue

Jupiter is awesome

[swift pond]

Coolest tileset, Ordis mission control, introduced a great game mode, stars best-worst character in all of Warframe... What else am I missing?

[cyan crest]

You can ride a flying sentient

[swift pond]

Yeah, Star Chart peaked at Jupiter (with a nice jump at Lua).

[cyan crest]

I wish Lua had a boss tho

Eris and Deimos got 2

[swift pond]

What would they even use exactly?

Also lol, both infested planets have two bosses each

[random pulsar]

Just be uncreative and place a generic sentient enemy with slightly more health like the sergeant

[swift pond]

Well, "planets"

[cyan crest]

Could have a rotating corpus/grineer boss cause both factions are still fighting for control of Lua

[swift pond]

First the Void, then Lua and now Zariman... They can't leave Void nonsense alone can they?

[cyan crest]

If it shines it can be robbed

And orokin buildings shine a lot

[zenith jacinth]

Moons

Oh, eris is a dwarf planet

Same difference

[earnest yew]

Void magic for the winnnn

[steep delta]

yep

[short adder]

my friend still mr 2 and asked for help so we tried to go into vallis

idk why but we cant be in same squad because to him it said this region is not unlocked

is it because i finished new war and hes not?

[mental mural]

yep

[short adder]

aw man

[mental mural]

you're trying to load him into a version of the orb vallis that's locked behind completing the questline, and also a massive spoiler to him lol

[short adder]

and i cant join him e.e

[mental mural]

he might be able to invite you into his squad when he's already in the vallis?

[short adder]

we tried

maybe i cant cuz it would look like i travel to the past

[mental mural]

aw :c

[zenith jacinth]

That doesn't lock it

Have they completed/accepted the vox solaris quest?

[short adder]

hes on it

maybe thats why

[zenith jacinth]

Vox solaris is a solo quest

[frigid canopy]

Is the game not letting anyone else log in atm? Me and my friend were playing and then we suddenly just dropped connection and can't log back in lol

[edgy sierra]

PC?

[frigid canopy]

Yes, we both play PC

[edgy sierra]

PC is currently having server issue

[frigid canopy]

ahhh okay. Thanks for letting me know!

[steep delta]

i actually was just now able to log in

anyone know the level range for Zenith Granum Crowns?

[edgy sierra]

idk, try pluto and neptune

[steep delta]

i'm talking about the actual level range for the granum void when zenith crowns are used

what level to what level

[edgy sierra]

i am unaware, but the levels increase as you play through it

[steep delta]

zenith crowns

[supple dagger]

30+

[steep delta]

even my internet isn't powerful enough to overcome warframe's server issues lol

just got kicked to login

[hollow radish]

And here I thought that was my own bad connection.

[tough swallow]

So de added credit scene before the game end
Rip Warframe

Hello soulframe i guess?!

[graceful zodiac]

What are you even talking about

[hollow radish]

Oh, the hidden credits thing in the Chrysalith.

Credits are sometimes an Easter Egg in games and we have more updates coming along, I wouldn't take it that far.

[steep delta]

whazzat

the entrati thing at necraloid?

[velvet wing]

The credits Easter egg is also in Fortuna and Cetus

I assume also in the necralisk but I’ve never bothered to figure out where

[supple dagger]

It's also in zariman

Literally every place where open worlds exist

[hollow radish]

Gotcha

[velvet wing]

Just got hey kiddo’d 😒

[peak orchid]

bruh I'm having trouble figuring out which secondary face to put on my drifter

[hollow radish]

@tough swallow Over here for a little more detail. Eternalism is based on the Many Worlds interpretation of one part of quantum physics, namely the idea that all possible states of a given thing are present simultaneously until normal matter/energy interacts with it as part of observation.

And I don't even know quantum physics all that well.

The Many Worlds interpretation states that the other possibilities don't disappear, but simply branch off.

I'm not sure what you mean by some details being useless, though. It's also worth noting that if the Drifter didn't take the deal, Teshin probably would have died on the battlefields of the Old War. I'm not sure where you got the idea that the hand was the Operator's, from what little we've seen it very much was the Lotus'. She's capable of projecting energy besides as we saw in our fight with her during TNW and as she was getting ready to do when Wally arrived at the end of TNW.

[tough swallow]

I mean de will ignore it like it didn't happen

Like your choices in quest

[hollow radish]

Which did they ignore?

I mean it's been a while since I played some past content.

Aaah.

[obtuse gyro]

I dont know if the dude is talking about having to choose which choice is canon or straight up claiming that DE will abandon a critical piece of the plot of their next Major Major update

[tough swallow]

And that doesn't make the game with multi ending?

[obtuse gyro]

Idk bout you but Warframe isnt ending anytime soon

[zenith jacinth]

Don't think we're anywhere near an ending yet, so there's still time for changes there

[hollow radish]

TBH, games as a service don't usually plan for an ending to begin with.

They just kinda keep on going for however long they can.

[tough swallow]

I saw that they added a credit scene already idk about you

😂

[velvet wing]

???

[hollow radish]

They had credits in Fortuna, Cetus, and Deimos too.

Your point?

[obtuse gyro]

Did you also ignore Spring's explanation on how thats not warframe ending?

[velvet wing]

You mean the credits they’ve always had?

[tough swallow]

Idk never saw them

[obtuse gyro]

They exist

[velvet wing]

Which just give credit to the creators of the game?

[hollow radish]

It's the association with credits at the end of a game/movie, which... I mean yes those do exist, but credits have also previously rolled at the end of other expansions or what-have-you in other games using the software as a service model.

It's not unique to a final ending in media.

[velvet wing]

They’re just a fun Easter egg to discover in open world hubs, they don’t signify any end of the game

[hollow radish]

^

[velvet wing]

Kinda like how if you climb to the top of a relay you can find two giant plaques with all the founder’s names on them

[hollow radish]

TIL

[obtuse gyro]

If I had money years ago I could have been one of them smh

[fair bronze]

Hey fellas, remember the pre-AotZ scavenger hunt thing DE had for the community? Does anyone have a link to the finished messages? I never got to read all of them. Is it on the wiki?

[hollow radish]

Oh! The ARG

[fair bronze]

I think this is the right chat for this, sorry if it’s not

[obtuse gyro]

Yep, just search AoTZ ARG

[hollow radish]

It is, being post-TNW

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Zariman_ARG

[fair bronze]

Great, thanks y’all!

[velvet wing]

I miss the ARG ngl

[tough swallow]

Idk if that is fun

[hollow radish]

The wiki can be unreliable and/or conjecture filled, so take direct quotes only as reliable.

Just as a bit of a warning

[fair bronze]

Shall do, thanks again!

[velvet wing]

Fun to find* they’re hidden and aren’t often spoken about publicly

Like the 1000 year fish

[obtuse gyro]

I think we can trust the AoTZ Zariman Page, I half remember the team from ARGrakata doing it so its fairly accurate

[tough swallow]

You know what will be fun to find?
A new content or a secret mini game

[velvet wing]

So you’re just here to poopoo on everything I guess?

[obtuse gyro]

You mean the new content dropping in 10 hours?

[tough swallow]

No the game is already take a lot of dislike since khal system created

Game need to get better

[obtuse gyro]

Riiiiight

[velvet wing]

Or you can just stop playing and go do something else if you’re not having fun

[obtuse gyro]

Dudes senator armstronging his sources

[wraith sigil]

Honestly if you’re just here to brag this game is not for you

[tough swallow]

You don't know what meaning of a good game be bad

[velvet wing]

Like they’re actively working on new content and they have release dates for things, idk why you’re here being a negative Nancy

[tough swallow]

No i don't play the till the next quest

Nothing to do

[obtuse gyro]

And you claiming "take a lot of dislike since khal" is supposed to come from some sort of emperical evidence? Did you do some hidden data collection that no one noticed?

[tough swallow]

And waiting 1 week to lvl up with khal was bad and not worth it since it's only 3 missions

Yes it wasn't ready

Why release it?

Also ammo nerf have a part of the cake but I don't mind it

[obtuse gyro]

Yep, Im out dude still continues to senator armstrong his stuff

[clever rapids]

What did that even mean?

[tough swallow]

You just blind to not see the bad stuff when it happens

[velvet wing]

He’s just here to 💩 on the game

[tough swallow]

Game is good yes
But there wrong bad a decision they take

[obtuse gyro]

Dude forgot to add the constructive to constructive criticism and just went for no-nuance criticism

[tough swallow]

You will not discuss with a child

[wraith sigil]

Let me get this straight, this argument started when you said something about you think is not fun and that is the Easter eggs and stuff. And after that you suddenly change the subject.

[clever rapids]

Man's ranting like he chugged a gallon of laced Kuva

[velvet wing]

I mean if you’re a child yeah I guess I won’t ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[obtuse gyro]

I wonder if kuva counts towards alcohol

[tough swallow]

I didn't mention easter eggs wasn't me

I said just khal system was bad

[wraith sigil]

Yes it wasn’t you but you clearly reply thinking it wasn’t fun

[tough swallow]

Yes wasn't fun not a story detail

[obtuse gyro]

Technically it was him since this started with him claiming that warframe is ending because the zariman had easter egg credits

[tough swallow]

It's not fun

[tough swallow]

Technically it's not me to be specific

[wraith sigil]

And you’re saying it’s not fun just because it’s the credits? Don’t make me laugh

[tough swallow]

Also I got tired from speaking this language

[tough swallow]

Khal missions not fun

Keep just take wrong decisions and game will die soon enough,de

That my opinion

[wraith sigil]

You just merely brought that up. Honestly we’ve had enough with your arguments. If you’re not liking this game, just stop playing and don’t come back. Also this is a chat built for spoilers so if you’re gonna keep talking about stuff like this just go to the game’s forum and share your criticism there.

[tough swallow]

You too not knowing what it feels when good game become bad at some point

Blind like others

[wraith sigil]

Stop being in denial. I’ve been playing games for 14 years and there’s no way I don’t know about what a good or a bad game is

[wraith sigil]

Oh wait make that 16

[tough swallow]

And? You got blind and don't see bad stuff when happens

obsessed with the game

[rancid ermine]

Dont like the game then quit playing simple as that

[tough swallow]

Dude the same point
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT FEEL WHEN GOOD GAME BECOME BAD IN SOME POINT

[obtuse gyro]

You keep claiming that and yet your data is?

[rancid ermine]

They have none

[obtuse gyro]

Your opinion is not fact

[wraith sigil]

Bruh do u think I totally enjoyed every single update? Also “bad stuff when happens” you only see the bad side of things, you’re never optimistic. That’s like looking at one side of a debate and jumping to conclusions

[tough swallow]

Stop before be toxic on you

[rancid ermine]

I do I've been gaming for over 2 decades

[tough swallow]

My opinion depends on fact

[tough swallow]

And?

You obsessed too?

[rancid ermine]

So i do know

[tough swallow]

Same lines he said

[obtuse gyro]

The "facts" you claim to have are based on what data?

[tough swallow]

Nothing new

[wraith sigil]

Says the guy who keeps saying “blind”

[rancid ermine]

Just shut up and quit if you dont like the game

[tough swallow]

You 3 like one person talk
Bots

Accept it game has a hard time

Accept it

[obtuse gyro]

Or maybe maybe, if multiple different people have the same reaction to what youre saying, reevaluate what youre saying

[rancid ermine]

Every games does lol

[wraith sigil]

We all know it’s having a hard time, you just had enough

[tough swallow]

That what I say the game is not that fun now and there some wrong decisions happens

[rancid ermine]

Then quit then

[tough swallow]

You dump right?

[rancid ermine]

You are

[tough swallow]

Yes i type that why

You the dump actually

[rancid ermine]

How because I enjoy the game

[dreamy saffron]

Someone complaining

[obtuse gyro]

Some dude thinking that his personal feelings are enough evidence for a "Warframe is dying" rant

[rancid ermine]

Yea i dont like game no more is game is dying

[tough swallow]

3 machines talk to human not new on internet community

[wraith sigil]

He did the same thing in lore chat lol

[edgy sierra]

[rancid ermine]

You are literally a bot

[obtuse gyro]

Aaaand hes calling us bots because we didnt jump on his shoddily constructed hate bandwagon

[edgy sierra]

i know for a fact I am not a bot. simply enough, if you don't like something, stay away from it

[velvet wing]

Can they just ban people who get on here exclusively to start arguments?

[edgy sierra]

games, food, people, etc. if you don't like them, dont be a part of them

[rancid ermine]

Thats what we said but we are bots for saying that

[tough swallow]

See that what an ai would say cause i literally said
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT FEEL WHEN GOOD GAME BECOME BAD IN SOME POINT

[edgy sierra]

i don't like the aoe change, it drove the zarr into the ground

I dont like the idea of reintroduction of self damage

[rancid ermine]

Dont like the game them leave

[wraith sigil]

You expect us to be that naive? It’s not like warframe is the only game we play

[obtuse gyro]

Pick it back up good sir and let me introduce you to the power of EM Gauss

[edgy sierra]

but its still a game that I enjoy

[tough swallow]

Well I don't mind it but i don't like khal system

[velvet wing]

Why continue engaging them, they’re a troll

[tough swallow]

And missions

[edgy sierra]

well, dont do it then

[rancid ermine]

Then dont do them

[edgy sierra]

🤷‍♀️

[wraith sigil]

Yea it’s not like playing as kahl is an obligation

[edgy sierra]

its common sense

[dreamy saffron]

Most everything from those missions can be bought with plat from other players or the market directly

[tough swallow]

Well that i said earlier i am waiting the new quest because there nothing to do

But there some zombie attacked me

[rancid ermine]

Really? I think its still good

[tough swallow]

See

[zenith jacinth]

🍿

[tough swallow]

I had everything i want for now ty

[dreamy saffron]

So why complain about a system you're not forced to interact with? There's a good few things I don't like doing in this game. You know what I do? I don't do them, because this game is so expansive, there's a ton of content you can flat out ignore if you don't enjoy it.

[obtuse gyro]

While Im sad that I cant go boom boom boom all willy nilly, I dont mind players not afking with step. But also, felarx supremacy

[edgy sierra]

i just don't like the lack of ammo

[tough swallow]

I enjoyed first mission only first one after that the timetable of the mission changed and system got worse and i said like there will be new mission every week but sadly it just 3 missions
So the fact is khal system wasn't ready to release

[rancid ermine]

I mean there ways around the lack of ammo

[tough swallow]

@edgy sierra you got what I mean

Just zombie

[edgy sierra]

did I? meant about what?

[tough swallow]

He will keep tell you it's good even if it's not in your opinion or it was fact

@dreamy saffron am i right?

[velvet wing]

This person is a troll

[tough swallow]

They was need more time to get it ready

[dreamy saffron]

Stop pinging me.

[tough swallow]

Stop?

[wraith sigil]

What

[tough swallow]

It's first

Bruh

[wraith sigil]

Oh wait oop I wasn’t reading

[dreamy saffron]

Replies ping people if you're careless.

[tough swallow]

Let's see

No it's not

[dreamy saffron]

If you wanted to get blocked, you could've just asked.

[tough swallow]

It's really not

But you will get 1

[zenith jacinth]

How would you know if you pinged someone else

[tough swallow]

Simply

[rancid ermine]

I think they are referring to me saying i still like the zarr and you saying you dont

[edgy sierra]

🤷‍♀️ i still like it, I just dislike the lack of extra ammo

she was doing that too

[zenith jacinth]

Just get a mod in here to deal with it

[wraith sigil]

Don’t, it’s not allowed

Unless if they’re chatting

[tough swallow]

Mod will not clear the zombie just will help them

I don't mind

[wraith sigil]

Alright go ahead ig

[rancid ermine]

They will get rid of the troll

[tough swallow]

If that true you 3 should get punished but that ain't gonna happen

And I don't mind

[velvet wing]

I mean at some point you just need to be able to ping a mod if they’re not active in a channel and someone is just being an abusive troll

[rancid ermine]

Yea cuz we aint the one trolling

[supple dagger]

one question when is the patch of lua's prey? as far i know is today, but when?

[tough swallow]

Keep telling yourself that and dream about it it may be true

[rancid ermine]

Wednesday 2pm est

I believe

[supple dagger]

thanks

[velvet wing]

Normally updates go live around either 11 AM or 2PM EST so in approximately either 10 or 13 hours

[rancid ermine]

Your calling us bots because we dont agree with you...

I do want to do the 80-100 lvl on the new survival but i know i will get destroyed

[wraith sigil]

Just kill them before they kill you

[obtuse gyro]

Just whip out your necramech

[wraith sigil]

But isn’t there like a specific place to do that?

[dreamy saffron]

Mech use will be pretty limited, so spamming it isn't a viable strat

[obtuse gyro]

I think you can whip it out anywhere but for like 2 minutes

[rancid ermine]

Im not even to steel path yet

[rancid ermine]

My necramech isn't good lol

[obtuse gyro]

Neither is mine but im going to use luas prey to level it

[rancid ermine]

Oh mine is lvl 30 but no mods

[obtuse gyro]

I have mods on but its literally what ever I have its also 30

[rancid ermine]

I think mine only has shield health and a prime damage mod

[obtuse gyro]

A prime necramech mod?

[rancid ermine]

Yes

[grand charm]

you mean the primed archgun mod right

[rancid ermine]

Wait might be on the weapon and not the mech

[obtuse gyro]

LMAO primed rubedo lined barrel isnt a necramech mod

[rancid ermine]

I havent touched it in like 3 months

I barely remember what it had

[ionic sleet]

In future, please do ping the moderator role if you feel there's trouble. That's why we're here.

[dreamy saffron]

My question still stands. What was up with the Vitruvian Man at the end of New War? Is there some kind of connection between him and Tau I missed?

[earnest idol]

He is the identity of the void, for what i know the history says, the void is the man on the wall mind's itself, everything inside of the void is corrupted, so the part we have in the game is a portion of the void

Of his mind i think

[dreamy saffron]

I know that he's void, but where does that factor into him appearing when Ballas is trying to go to Tau?

[earnest idol]

The own owner have it's own reasons, he knows what can happen in the future and whay were the origin of the orikins, we still don't know what's up with him 🗿 but he might try to give us a answer

[obtuse gyro]

Its more of what Ballas was using to get to Tau

ballas was using the sun to use a solar rail to get to Tau, and you can guess which place is in between here and Tau using a solar rail

[earnest idol]

Wait where is tau? I forgot

[obtuse gyro]

in the words of Yonta, something burst through

[graceful zodiac]

Not a solar rail, Ballas was just straight tearing open a hole

[obtuse gyro]

ah yes, more of a pseudo rail

[earnest idol]

He was trying to use the energy of the sun for something more powerful than s solar rail 🤔

Think about how much energy have the sun

[dreamy saffron]

Though I guess whatever he was using would've required travel through the Void

[earnest idol]

Can be similar as the void

[obtuse gyro]

correct

[earnest idol]

That's what he was trying at the other hand, to reach to tau, he needed enough energy to break into space and time and reach were tau is

[obtuse gyro]

as a result of ballas trying to tear a hole through a void we get

Something I wasn't sure existed has burst through the Albrecht Membrane from yonta

[earnest idol]

So it was the man on the wall who stopped him 🤔

[dreamy saffron]

That would make sense then, why the Vitruvian appears. Even though it still is a super childish representation of the man in the wall haha

[obtuse gyro]

no, the man in the wall capitalised on a weakened albretch membrane to burst through

[earnest idol]

So that's how we saw him at the final

[obtuse gyro]

We stopped ballas

[earnest idol]

He said "hi 🙂"

[obtuse gyro]

or to be exact, Lotus stopped him

[hollow radish]

TBH, I think we still lack context on that.

[earnest idol]

We assist

[dreamy saffron]

Ballas got mirked, hole got closed, and man was yeeted back in as far as I understand

[graceful zodiac]

Wally explicitly made a hole leaving

[earnest idol]

But now he knows what was happening, so this will be a continue in duvuri yes or yes

[obtuse gyro]

wally burst right through

[obtuse gyro]

hole didnt get closed, the zariman only plugged it

[earnest idol]

Wally virgen 🗿

[obtuse gyro]

the hole is still there

[dreamy saffron]

Really? It moved all the way out there?

[earnest idol]

Imo the hole is the void itself

[mental mural]

My question is why the Zariman's so far away from the sun on the star chart map if that's the case

[obtuse gyro]

based on Yonta's dialogue it should be the same hole

[graceful zodiac]

No need for it to be in the same place. You can enter and exit the Void from anywhere

[obtuse gyro]

Where ever it is, whatever Wally burst out of, the Zariman is plugging

[earnest idol]

Well i think the zariman have life itself and travel non stop in a endless path of the void until finally came out to space 🤔

[dreamy saffron]

I trust yonta, so I'm gonna say that makes complete sense

[graceful zodiac]

The Zariman is very much not alive

[earnest idol]

The real story will say, whenever you enter and exit the void you'll be corrupted

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, its explicitly stated that the Zariman is plugging the hole that something thats heavily implied to be Wally made

[graceful zodiac]

Not really? Entering and exiting the void itself is fine. Baro does it all the time

[earnest idol]

Can it be the energy that has been used of the sun?

Nah nah jk, but the zariman might be trying to connect the void

[earnest idol]

I said the real story, but you know how things works 🗿

[dreamy saffron]

The people of the Zariman aren't just corrupted, they're dead lmao

[graceful zodiac]

That's explicitly not what's happening

[earnest idol]

Ik, actually sounds like a ship found with all his dead people

[mental mural]

Zariman's plugging up the hole Wally made, but said hole is not in the place it should be, is my gripe

[earnest idol]

Because if you see the zariman is appearing getting out of a portal, so is like it did traveled already in that hole

[graceful zodiac]

Lotus only made a temporary fix

[cyan crest]

Given how it's probably besides saturn and wally jumped us on the sun... yeah probably

[graceful zodiac]

Lotus just closed the whole to the stop Praghasa from jumping. Wally leaving still left a unseen tear

[mental mural]

Maybe Wally jumped us on the sun and then turned and went to Saturn when Lotus stopped him

[earnest idol]

With all this jumping imagine after we will need to reach every deep point of every planet to investigate 🗿

[red beacon]

will it effect me that I started the new war with lvl 0 voidrig and not a good railjack

[wild copper]

won't matter that much

[red beacon]

OK ty

[edgy sierra]

hey you, to add onto the archmedian conversation the other day, recently encountered a voiceline by Yonta that mentions a list of them

[obtuse gyro]

Mhmm including some familiar names

[robust summit]

You’ll have a bit of an interesting time, but you should be fine.

[fleet veldt]

Man-in-Wall simply used the FTL doorway Praghasa opened into the Void to show up, until Lotus denied his cold-calling and he...

He didn't go back. He went into the screen. Next thing, Lotus has his smile, likely due to thinking she fixed the issue before her RAM capacity was exceeded and she crashed out from having pulled two insane feats within 30 seconds.

The first being the finishing move on Ballas - and (though this lore item is likely discontinued) taking his Oro with all it may entail.

The second being kicking Wall-Man out of the material realm lobby.

The door Praghasa made is shut so far as I believe; the Sentient warship herself likely is busy grazing on derelicts and repairing Murexes to minimal operational capacity right now.

As for the Void - yes, it can corrupt, but not every example of it is the same.

We've got the Void Tower Sentries who deploy masks that are less friendly versions of the Veils we recognise now.

We also have the Angels and their song which turns most people insane (and after death, they turn into Angels if 'forgotten', but the Holdfasts are ones we 'remember' well - as a result they persist).

And then we have the Void 'remembering' things that entered it, like the Thrax Grineer - but whether these Thrax belong to Dominus Thrax or are an offloaded byproduct of the planes of Duviri merely existing is another matter.

Though as Lua's Prey is coming within the next 12 hours, I wonder what new lore will come to affirm, deny, or restructure.

[cyan crest]

Prags is probably completelt gone by now

Only if you play conclave, it hasnt showed up at all since

[fleet veldt]

As a Sentient she can and probably has already adapted to celestial damage.
Sentients can adapt to everything and eventually render themselves immune (see: Infested), except the Void.

[cyan crest]

Anyway there's a Pazuul line where he says "Carcass of my mother, flame devoured" so she probably was fully consumed by the sun as fst as i see

[fleet veldt]

Erra probably survived, but what happened was he was rescued by the worst people.

The Archons.

[obtuse gyro]

he's alive tho

he's fighting Pazuul from the inside

[cyan crest]

Archon crystals specifically revive stuff tho

[fleet veldt]

Until we hack Pazuul off. Paracesis may come in handy to carve out the Ram.

It probably melts.

[cyan crest]

I don't think that will happen, i think we're stuck with funny animal man for the rest of the game

[fleet veldt]

For now.

[cyan crest]

Ig

[patent crest]

When do updates usually drop? Sorry if this has been asked before

Thanks man

[scarlet basalt]

Glaxion main ?

[scarlet basalt]

btw, what the hell are those statues in duviri paradox trailer ?
It show some kind of amalgamation of flesh while in the middle there is someone (dominus thrax ?).

wth is that

it wouldn't be suprising if Tuvul is dominus thrax tbh.
Like, Orokins were using the void as a tool, not understanding it but using it which could be the case of Dominus thrax.
I wouldn't be really suprised if it's Tuvul, with how much they're talking about him as the 2nd known executor (we already knew tuvul from way back then, there is also nihil and ballas)

[swift pond]

Frost hours?

[supple dagger]

It’s art

[obtuse gyro]

Well, literally find out in less than an hour tuvul's fate

[scarlet basalt]

true, i would love to know if voruna decimated tuvul to ashes lol

i still find rather weird that Tuvul is nly now an antagonist who is playing a bigger part now in zariman and post zariman ?

[obtuse gyro]

Whysit weird, homeboy wasnt on the zariman went it went belly up

[scarlet basalt]

yeah but it seems that DE is writing their characters when one end :

Ballas from titania's quest to the new war
Nihil from nightwave and bit of lore
Tuvul from a little synthesis bit of lore then he vanish until the zariman
I find it quite odd but it kinda make me wonder if the 4 other executors will be here 🤔

[obtuse gyro]

Gauss and grendel killed one

I need to check if yareli killed another

This is assuming that the council of executors is another name for the 7 and that there are only 7 executors

And then theres another that died to grineer

Leaving one more executor

Of course also assuming nihil is an executor as well as his stated roll as executioner

[cyan crest]

Him taking desitions in the Gara prime trailer makes me think he is of the 7

They wouldnt allow someone lesser to be there taking desitions with them

Of course ballas didnt care and made Gara into a glass frame

[obtuse gyro]

I need to look at the text all I know is "heehee look nihil shes better at glassing than you"

[cyan crest]

Ballas says that Nihil suggested glassing her

Well, shouted to glass her

[obtuse gyro]

Nihil jelly lmao

[cyan crest]

This behaviour would not be tolerated of subordinates

[graceful zodiac]

They aren't. There's the 7, and then there's the Congress of Executors

[obtuse gyro]

Surprisingly enough thats debatable

But thats for GrayArchon to debate not me Im just laying the parameters for remaining executors

[cyan crest]

I have to say something, if only the seven can dictate death sentences then the existance if other executors as judges is redundant, unless their title means nothing and they dont actually execute people
Perhaps the congress is just another power in the empire, it being the legislative power while yhe 7 are the judicial and executive ones?

To be honest, idk about anything at this point, and arguing about orokin politics is boring

[obtuse gyro]

I mean executors =/= executioners

executioners execute people, executors execute policy

[red beacon]

the new war is way easier than I thought

[cyan crest]

The enemies are literally level 20

[red beacon]

ye I am speed running it

[cyan crest]

Sorry the word is the same in spanish lol

[obtuse gyro]

LMAO

[cyan crest]

Ejecutor is just like
Executioner

So like stuff get confusing

Anyhow the congress could be like an actual congress and be the legislative body of the empire
I think
Idk

Wait would the orokin separate powers into different bodies? Cause like it doesn't seem in character methinks

Well, since we dont know the whole of the 7 and we've known less than 7 executors as a whole, i think we can put all of the executors in the Seven until proven wrong

[obtuse gyro]

TUVUL IS DEAD

[cyan crest]

CRAP I WAS ONE MINUTE AWAY FROM THE DOWNLOAD ENDING WHEN I SAW THIS

Also woohoo

The cutscene was pretty cool too

[north trail]

Yay

[cyan crest]

At least Lua's void history explain why it was so easy to put the moon into it by Lotus i guess

Wait a damn minute

A singer? A soprana singing in the rituals? MMMMMMMMM

[swift pond]

Octavia lore?

[cyan crest]

I was thinking about the Duviri singing lady

Voruna best mom

[swift pond]

Worm Queen kinda giving me Coraline Other World vibes

[lament sun]

anyone find the levirian card yet?

[cyan crest]

At least they made Voruna easier to get than Gyre

relatively

[dry nest]

surprised on the pity costs

[flat tangle]

Tuvul is DED!!! Yay!

One less Orokin to worry about

[cyan crest]

The wiki article literally cannot support their... questionable article anymore
Hooray

Oh Bau already changed that

[undone birch]

still searching here

[swift pond]

It's official, I love Voruna

[cyan crest]

Voruna best mom

I wonder who the kid is

[swift pond]

Might just main her from now on...

I'm guessing either her kid before being Helminth'd or her Operator.

Or both!

[cyan crest]

It could be a sibling of her operator

They clearly have history together so that's something

Also ew Tuvul was sick in the head

[short adder]

these new thraxx

[cyan crest]

Continuity into a little kid like that
Disgusting

[short adder]

are they neutral or corrupted?

[cyan crest]

Easy focus farm for lower level players i guess

[cyan crest]

They dont seem corrupted

[short adder]

hmm

imma just do the usual build then

[north trail]

Do the ones without ghost mode still drop focus?

[zenith jacinth]

I mean... all orokin did that

[flat shadow]

Why orokin were horrible people, exhibit 972

[zenith jacinth]

[cyan crest]

Mmm, the spanish subtitles claim it's an infant but I'm not sure that's implied in the english dialogue

So like that's why i said it was specially disgusting

[zenith jacinth]

It just says child in english

[cyan crest]

I wonder where the kid is now

[zenith jacinth]

Probably gone

[cyan crest]

Like, probably dead but they wouldnt be the first character to not be dead after all that time

[north trail]

Ok so

The leverian implies the void is involved in continuity

But isn't the void "against" kuva

That's supposed to be the whole reason requiem mods exist right?

[cyan crest]

It said it helps with continuity

The spellbook was only there to protect Tuvul if the things coming through

[north trail]

Also this really makes a lot of things we already knew hit harder

Like drusus goes out of his way to make sure we understand how insane albrecht was

Also "I never liked tuvul. what followed made me lothe him even more." is so true

Also the whole coincidence of the conjunction happening at that time is interesting

[cyan crest]

There are no coincidences, there is only the force

[north trail]

Anyways this is definitely my favorite leverian

[cyan crest]

That makes it like 2 leverians where an executor gets devoured by a Warframe

it's weird it happened twice

[north trail]

Yeah

Also this is literally just

The sacrifice 2

Just without the sentient frame

[cyan crest]

And with Wolves

And the child survives

[north trail]

And a happy ending

[cyan crest]

As happy as you can be with 4 wolves glued to your body

[north trail]

Pretty sure she's happier than she would be if they were completely dead

[orchid remnant]

I wonder who the Lone Guardian is

[cyan crest]

Guess it's one of those Duviri dax that fell through like the Thrax seemingly did?

[orchid remnant]

yeah

he just walks around 🙂

[cyan crest]

The reference to Sands of Inaros was neat

Mentioning Mars as the Yuvan breeding planet, among others

But like only Mars by name

[north trail]

Oh yeah ig that was a sands of inaros reference

[amber terrace]

Does anyone have a screengrab of the new nightwave rewards? I’m at school rn and the companion app is acting funny

[lusty cave]

Patch notes highlight most of the goodies, protokol skins, mech skin, and a couple special mods, other than that it's standard affair(slots, creds, pet pallets, decorations)

[fleet veldt]

And gets stuck occasionally. Am yet to find anything of repute.

[lusty cave]

Found 'the room' but didn't have enough time to look around... Really hate when they put lore things in time sensitive missions

[cyan crest]

Yonta is selling a captura version

[zenith jacinth]

They also put time sensitive missions in lore things once

[supple dagger]

There's a little tune you can listen to and hole in a wall that you can get out of bounds through

[cyan crest]

Yes, it's the same melody that's sung by a lady in Duviri

[supple dagger]

I just failed having fun looking around out there

Always forget that fail condition

[lusty cave]

It's really a fun killer when they're offering a lore tile, but going to explore it ruins your mission run.... Just doing the mission by it self wasn't bad...
But survival 'now with thraxx' wasn't the thing I was interested in. 🤷‍♂️

[obtuse gyro]

If you head to the room you can turn it into a camp spot easily

[cyan crest]

Ngl im gonna farm so hard to have that captura circulus

I still have to rank up a ton of things but i dont care, the captura room takes priority

[lusty cave]

I'm having problems with enough enemies around to camp anywhere also... But that's not really a new thing

[zenith jacinth]

Voruna

[cyan crest]

It's still Lua plasma

[zenith jacinth]

I use regular plasma to feed my helminth, that stuff can't be much harder to farm

[lusty cave]

You do seem to get much less of it on lua

[viral crane]

found the room by accident on my first run

it looks pretty

[cyan crest]

How do people already have voruna I'm gonna cry

[fleet veldt]

Plat reasons.

[cyan crest]

That will only make me cry harder

[fleet veldt]

Always has been a thing. I'll farm her up eventually, but am currently not in a rush.

This is because the content of Lua's Prey is, to me, a small update.

[zenith jacinth]

I have exactly 1 plat

Don't know where it came from, don't know where it might go

But it's probably called cotton eyed joe

[lusty cave]

You start with plat., How you ended up with 1 left is odd, but that's on you and your lack of remembering what you spent the rest on.

[lavish plaza]

what’s the deal with the new rooms and durivi? I’m assuming if they’re talking about this one executor from the zarmian then he’s gonna come back in the flesh somehow like Ballas?

[jagged sable]

Oh no. He's dead. Voruna made sure of that.

[wicked iron]

@supple dagger I chose Lotus. 😄

[supple dagger]

Why?

[deep quest]

Lotus gang! 🤝

[wicked iron]

I had my reasons, like everyone else had their reasons for which they chose. 🙂

[peak orchid]

I wonder why most ppl including me picked Margulis hmmmmmm

[supple dagger]

I only chose margulis because I did not want natah

[peak orchid]

I chose Margulis for.... reasons

[supple dagger]

I think I know them

[wicked iron]

For me, it was that she did in fact love and choose the Tenno when she was the Lotus. That said, there was no wrong choice. 🙂

Lol

[peak orchid]

guess

[supple dagger]

I didn't like natahs look

[supple dagger]

I might get banned

[wicked iron]

Let's keep from being inappropriate, please. 🙂

[deep quest]

I would've gone Natah if it weren't for the creepy insectoid look. I should've chose Natah, tbh.

[peak orchid]

dm it to me

[deep quest]

If I could do it again I'd choose Natah.

[supple dagger]

Nah you could screenshot

[deep quest]

Idk, always found sentients neat.

[peak orchid]

I wont

I ain't that weird my dude

[supple dagger]

Sure...

[peak orchid]

eidolon lotus looks... decent..

[supple dagger]

Radiant=

[deep quest]

Radiant looks the best but I agree with Natah more

Well, radiant looked the best until today. That void Lotus is sick

[peak orchid]

I would like natah more if u could pick the version where she's stripped of her sentient body

[peak orchid]

Wdym void lotus

raidant right?

[deep quest]

No, a new lotus skin.

[peak orchid]

yooo Les gooo

[wicked iron]

The one that came with the Xaku deluxe.

[supple dagger]

Xaku cool

[deep quest]

Xaku is really interesting yeah

[peak orchid]

imaget voidotus

[deep quest]

A violent fusion of 3 battered Warframes

And some void ofc

[peak orchid]

they are indeed intresting

[supple dagger]

Finally voruna systems after 20 min

[peak orchid]

soona s I get home. I'm grinding for voruna

[supple dagger]

30k focus

[torpid lantern]

I did Lotus too!

[peak orchid]

Margulis gang rise up

[deep quest]

Hey @wicked iron what's this secret in the new Lua room I keep hearing about?

[supple dagger]

Yeehaw

[deep quest]

Just curious. Can't check myself rn.

[wicked iron]

Oh, just a shiny new room in the new missions to do with Voruna's Leverian. 😄

[torpid lantern]

you can get a captura of it too from Yonta

[deep quest]

Yeah... Can you tell me about it, as I cannot check it rn?

[wicked iron]

And that has one of those big Void mirrors like you can see on Deimos.

[deep quest]

Oh? And inside it?

I know the dragon goes through the Deimos mirrors, what about these?

[wicked iron]

Might be, but I didn't notice it when I was there before. I only did one mission in the new nodes, so far.

[supple dagger]

Hey guys is this a glitch or a cool feature? Old pic btw

[wicked iron]

Will definitely go over that room with a fine tooth comb when I do another, though. 😄

[deep quest]

Ping me with what you find, please!

[wicked iron]

I will try to remember to do so!

Definitely go into every cranny, though... There's music in one spot that's awesome. 😄

[deep quest]

I want all of this juicy Tuvul lore, lol

[deep quest]

Duviri sounding music, I assume?

[amber terrace]

Say, has anyone pinpointed the average amount of Lua Thrax Plasm you get from a 5 minute rotation of Conjunction Survival?

[supple dagger]

I need help on this

[jagged sable]

I hear there's a puzzle involving the 4 wolves and Voruna......Or at least I think there's a puzzle.

Word on Reddit is that if you go to that room as Voruna, the wolf statues start glowing. I dunno what that means tho. Maybe you gotta activate abilities? Passives? Dunno for sure. I don't have Voruna yet.

[wicked iron]

It sounded like Opera music to me. 😄

[wicked iron]

Interesting!

[deep quest]

Maybe grab 4 Voruna

[torpid lantern]

I think it is, yes! I'm gonna play again in a few hours so I'll take another look around too

[deep quest]

Or Titania to break out of the map, hehe

[torpid lantern]

Lol someone's speaking my language

[obtuse gyro]

No need titania actually, the special room has a nice big hole to oob

[deep quest]

Oh?

[deep quest]

I play all the fast frames, falling through the floor is in my nature

[obtuse gyro]

Its the same music the singer had in some of the duviri footage, same music out of the harp thing in the corner and same music that follows the lone guardian

[supple dagger]

Gauss main?

Or volt main

I would assume

[deep quest]

All of them.

[supple dagger]

Yup

[deep quest]

Gauss, Volt, Titania, even Yareli.

Oh, and Nezha

[supple dagger]

Use zephyr

[torpid lantern]

My favorite place to glitch Titania through is Uranus underwater lab

[deep quest]

I forgot about her, she's pretty nice too

[supple dagger]

Her tail wind in open space and continuity or archon continuity you go zooming

[deep quest]

True. I really enjoy her, just forgot about her for a sec.

Too many speedy frames, lol.

[supple dagger]

Does wisp count

Her will o wisp

[torpid lantern]

hmmm, not really

[deep quest]

She isn't made to zoom around

The others are.

[torpid lantern]

exactly

[deep quest]

By that logic Ash is a movement frame.

[torpid lantern]

how about Wukong

[deep quest]

And Caliban

[deep quest]

...dammit, forgot about him. Used to play him though

[torpid lantern]

he do be zippy

[wicked iron]

Loki da fastest with max range switch teleport + maximumer casting speed and efficiency!