spoiler-chat

[zenith jacinth]

Only that it ended badly

[rain otter]

I still like to think he had a secret Mission to stop like them from like actually beating Sentients.

It could be the case and he still blames himself

Cuz he doesn't know why it happened

Still.

@wild wind Cy Says a bunch "Why I was GIVEN those Orders"

Like he was told to do it but he doesn't know by who or why.

[zenith jacinth]

Makes no sense

[rain otter]

In what way?

[steady gate]

Cy was given two orders; protect the crew and complete the mission. The mission came first over the crew. He hates how he was forced to let the remaining crew die to attack the Sentients instead of retreating

[rain otter]

I always thought it was Ballas and he stopped them be up they where gonna destory a giant Sentient ship and effect the war you know Disrupte his grand plan.

[rain otter]

That's not we don't know if they won.

Cuz who would main the guns?

[zenith jacinth]

No member of the seven can decide anything without all of the other ones agreeing to it

[zenith jacinth]

He says it once

Here's the important parts from the transcript

"Tunguska capacitor charged. Sukhin pulls the trigger. Nothing happens. Zada reports engines offline. Shields offline. Weapons offline. Personal lights flash on as the first missiles hit. I watch as Sukhin, along with his gunnery chair, is sucked into the infinite. I watch as the port nacelle detonates. We are spinning. Zada calls for assistance. I am silent. Krodhi's attempt to save our engines proves fatal. I watch as he is engulfed in flame. Zada is alone at the helm. She beholds the distant flash of torpedo tubes. She says my name. The viewplate blossoms. She ceases to exist."

"In her final moment I think Zada knew that. Precepts: Complete the mission. Preserve the crew. To complete the mission the crew must die. To preserve the crew is to fail the mission. The crew exist to complete the mission. Therefore... I... completed the mission. Why was I given those orders?"

[rain otter]

Why would none of the weapons work though? Hmmnn

[zenith jacinth]

Everything got turned off

"To complete the mission the crew must die" probably matters there

[steady gate]

It also could simply be the Sentients interfering with technology as they are known to do

[graceful zodiac]

It's less about being directly given Orders and about what his Precepts require him to do

[zenith jacinth]

Cephalons aren't artificial, and they're the ones controlling rj systems. Sentients are very unlikely to have anything to do with it

[rain otter]

Idk

[steep delta]

interesting

[balmy storm]

I always figured that everything shutting down was due to Cy since he had orders to essentially kill them

No sentient or any other kind of interference, just the Scy and those who gave him his orders

[zenith jacinth]

Well, yes, we just don't know who gave the orders

Once, in the modern day, by one of the most powerful sentients

[steep delta]

Hunhow yes?

[balmy storm]

If he was given orders then we can probably assume someone in any form of command, I feel like it’d be mentioned in some way if he was hacked or whatever the equivalent is for cephalons

[graceful zodiac]

That's why it's most likely orders in the form of what his Precepts require him to do

It's just like Ordis immediately trying to kill you in War Within, or how he was compelled to help Jordas

[balmy storm]

So it may be more a “programming” error rather than actual orders or?

[graceful zodiac]

I mean Drifter is an entirely different situation given Drifter registers as the Operator for all intents and purposes, and the Orbiter was lonely already in it's Exodus Protocol

[wild wind]

Like I said. Conflicting orders.

[balmy storm]

He tried to divide by zero

[wild wind]

Should have tried the zeroth law

[balmy storm]

Now I wanna ask Ordis to divide by zero

[nocturne kiln]

Ordis dividing by zero is just rdis

[wild copper]

i do be kinda divided

[steep delta]

this good for anything post The Sacrifice

i'm actually past TNW but i'm wondering if later quests and the zones they open up make it so that you can't do much damage

for example my damage against Void Angels in standard star chart is pretty bad

[frozen rune]

Armor stripping is your friend

[steep delta]

is there such thing as a Rumblejack riven

was that the name of the weapon

[obtuse gyro]

theres a riven for everything

[steep delta]

do the Kuva weapons have their own rivens?

[north trail]

Drifter interacts very weirdly with the new ephemeras

[zenith jacinth]

No

[real niche]

Only if there's no basic variant of the weapon, e.x. Kuva Bramma

[brave surge]

For me he doesnt

[rain prawn]

Is archon whip good?

[rain otter]

It's fine

It's a whip. Probably the best one.

[random pulsar]

cap

Kuva bramma is a better whip

[fleet veldt]

Archon whip is a good option. Worth having.

[nocturne kiln]

I forget what it's ability was

But extra mechanics are usually welcome

Ah, right. It was the exalted blade projectile with toxin procs

[open mortar]

Wait there’s A Whip?

[wild wind]

Verdilac, yeah

[open mortar]

Huh

[steep delta]

Verdilac or Nepheri?

I have a riven for Nepheri

[zenith jacinth]

Nepheri is dual daggers

[steep delta]

but which should i use?

is my question

[zenith jacinth]

Try both and see which one you prefer

[jovial relic]

Always comes down to preference over anything, imo

I enjoy Nepheri in general, but Verdillac has a cool block attack

[zenith jacinth]

(Reason why I still go almost fully off-meta)

[jovial relic]

Big same, stubbornly sticking to precision rifles and bows even when they get nerfed

[zenith jacinth]

I just use status melee and cedo+lavos

Apply much proc, use 4, watch them collapse

[jovial relic]

I run Wisp or Saryn, so my focus is more on clearing 2-3 tiles around me, lol

[steady gate]

stubbornly stick to the Paris prime and a Sheev wherever possible

[zenith jacinth]

I used twin krohkur for the longest time, and still have it

Although innodem has surpassed it in usefulness due to the funni range

[languid torrent]

I love Trumna and Sepulcrum. Sure, they're slow, but I get to be a space marine and that's worth far more.

[fleet veldt]

That is why I also love Mausolon and Necramechs, and still have the Entrati archguns.

Anyway it be 4am, why I not sleep?
Should sleep.

[orchid remnant]

Dream... not of what you are... but of what you want to be.

[ruby eagle]

which shard is good for ember? and what to choose from each shard's options?

[frozen rune]

Depends on what you're building for. If you're aiming for a 4 spam Ember you'd probably want max energy

Or strength, or well where you're lacking and finding yourself dying a lot 😛

Like need armor? Sure shards got that. Health? Sure got that too.

[slim anvil]

no strength since ember gives it to herself
yello shard is best
either cast speed or orb eff

orb eff + exothermic augment is good

[ruby eagle]

azure energy max is also good,yes?

[slim anvil]

its ok
ember already has a crap ton of energy and she usually uses flow/pflow so you dont need

i usually use azure on frames who dont use flow/have small energy max like valkyr and nekros

[short adder]

i use it to increase energy pickup

from 25 per orb i get 50 with 2 shard

make me able to spam abilities

[languid torrent]

I actually used an azure to give my Chroma HP regen. I can tank all day now.

[short adder]

👍

[north trail]

That's amber

[short adder]

i forgor

[solemn elbow]

Aye same, one Tauforged Azure gives Revenant Prime a nice 300 energy.

[glass mesa]

Trumna scratches my 'thumper' machinegun itch (m60 style)

[supple dagger]

?

[obtuse gyro]

I have no clue what compelled you to make this abomination

[edgy sierra]

please go and rethink how you spend your time please

[orchid remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/ballas-warframe-narmer-gif-24413311

[wary cave]

best archon weapon?

opinions pls both in easiest to craft and op

[swift pond]

Nepheri, because it's baller

[rain otter]

I liked the Whip

I don't know it's name.

[swift pond]

Verdilac, I think?

[edgy sierra]

i like the korrumm's special ability, but its niche and the worst of the 4, imo

[swift pond]

4?

[edgy sierra]

nataruk could be considered one

same colour scheme and sentient in origin

[swift pond]

I suppose. I was only thinking of the ones we see used by the Archons themselves.

Slightly stronger correlation there.

[edgy sierra]

i wanna see Pazuul use it in a possible boss fight against him

[swift pond]

I have a feeling he might have a different weapon.

[foggy cosmos]

https://youtu.be/kUbFwceR9Qk

[languid torrent]

Best Archon weapon comes down to Nepheri or Verdilac. Nepheri because it's a set of dual daggers with some really great stats, or Verdilac because it's, finally, a hybrid whip with great stats all-around.

[supple dagger]

I know this is not the proper place to post this but it's still at that part, I have no idea what happened but my person turned into a goomba, funny bug moment

[inland umbra]

Well MARIO said 'If u don't play Mario then u will turn into a Goomba'

[wary cave]

Erra hands

[swift pond]

Ya'll better be ready to catch these Rams

[wary cave]

Like it basically same power as us

We beat teshin at one point right?

[swift pond]

That we have

Don't think we skewered his brains with our fingers though

[wary cave]

I guess

[zenith jacinth]

They're all good, just depends on the person using them. I personally really like korumm with the twisting spiral(that right?) stance mod

[supple dagger]

I think it's reaping spiral, the one for scythes right?

[fleet veldt]

Korumm is a staff-type weapon to my memory.

[dreamy saffron]

My best guess is that they're referring to Twirling Spire

[zenith jacinth]

That

[obtuse gyro]

oh thats been happening alot

[dark olive]

it's second time competing new war

[floral turret]

Anyone knows when luas pray is coming?

[edgy sierra]

soon, tm

[balmy badger]

December.

[floral turret]

Date

[balmy badger]

No date, just December.

[floral turret]

How do you know it's december 🤔

[edgy sierra]

NH winter 2022

[floral turret]

I don't think they said December

[balmy badger]

Because they said it in the last devstream.

[edgy sierra]

therefore, decmeber

[floral turret]

Ohh

[balmy badger]

Well, "Winter", but there's a high chance that means December.

[edgy sierra]

winter 2022, and jan and feb 2022 have already passed

[floral turret]

Late november

Is Winter

[frigid edge]

winter is December, January and February so Winter 2022 would mean December

but knowing DE it probably means we won't see it until July

[fleet veldt]

More likely for Duviri to be July; Lua's Prey seems like an update as compact as Veilbreaker (minus Kahl's missions).

[velvet wing]

Winter solstice takes place on December 21st so if they mean proper winter it’ll be late December

[swift pond]

Gonna be a packed Crimbo for me then

[velvet wing]

I doubt they’ll drop an update right before their crimas break though, so they probably mean December ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Cause like hotfixes

[swift pond]

Yeah, just dump everything before the holidays and wait till after New Years to clean it up.
Just like me and my life.

[river pawn]

where is tau??

[obtuse gyro]

Tau Ceti star system

[river pawn]

where is that lol i wish there was a place like origin system but with sentient(tau)

[obtuse gyro]

The Origin system is our solar system, Tau Ceti is 12 light years away

[river pawn]

will de make it playable?

[obtuse gyro]

idk lmao

[river pawn]

will de ever add a quest for ordis cause he gotta great lore

like in that quest ordis old self fights us

[obtuse gyro]

Homie Im not a DE employee I have no clue

[river pawn]

we go chasing around him

[river pawn]

ripp

de wont reply to dms lol

[obtuse gyro]

youre not supposed to DM them

[river pawn]

oh

[river pawn]

imma try

[obtuse gyro]

dont

[zenith jacinth]

Do not.

[river pawn]

??

oh no i used mod mail

am i gonna be like banned if ask something really stupid

[graceful zodiac]

That's not DE either

[river pawn]

anyways

[zenith jacinth]

And we know everything we need to aside from his appearance

[graceful zodiac]

There is no communicating with DE if they don't ask for it

[obtuse gyro]

Youre just contacting the Discord Mods here, theyre not DE either

[river pawn]

unless one of them is a really close friend

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, if theyre a close friend you wouldnt be trying to contact them from here

you'd already be talking to them

[river pawn]

lol

[quaint compass]

guys how much time for stream?

[scarlet basalt]

They told about wanting to do a quest with ordis but maybe they won't or post ponned post duviri.
It kinda make me wonder, what kind of things will eb post duviri. Because we knew for years about everything until...Duviri..
Like,now what ?

[zenith jacinth]

More void stuff seems likely

Finally figure out mitw and stuff

[velvet wing]

I think it’s intentional that they’re not revealing too much anymore. Like they made a huge mistake showing Divuri in 2019

In a lot of streams they talk about not putting the cart in front of the horse and revealing too much

[scarlet basalt]

It sound weird but maybe duviri will explain in depth about how the void can be used.
As weird as it sound, maybe the magic space stuff will make more sense in terms on how the schools have been made.
MITW seems to be an unlikely figure that will appear, maybe hint about him will spawn on the duviri's realm but i think it will be even more cryptic to meet him ?

[zenith jacinth]

I meant after duviri

Because you said that

[scarlet basalt]

true, post duviri they can do that.
But i really want the infested have their justice 😢 at being a threat

[zenith jacinth]

Duviri will most likely only be about drifter's fun time there

[zenith jacinth]

They had three quests, a nightwave story and an event, that's enough imo

[velvet wing]

Or the result of alternate dimensions seeing what the orokin are up to and taking an interest in our dimension

[scarlet basalt]

yep, but they don't have major relation with quest.
Which is weird ? Like i would expect even more for something that are very capable at pretty much getting everything under their control

[zenith jacinth]

Duviri takes up most/all of the void iirc

[zenith jacinth]

Isn't the quest required for a junction?

[scarlet basalt]

that sound wrong tbh.
I wouldn't expect duviri to take a lot, but rather it's the small part of the void iceberg 🤔

[scarlet basalt]

I think you meant "once awake" which is a quest that is related but doesn't bring much about them 🤔

[velvet wing]

I imagine the void to be the space between dimensions and the dimensions to be they’re own space

[zenith jacinth]

I meant the quest that's literally about the infestation breaching containment and us bombing the hek out of it

[zenith jacinth]

The void is it's own dimension and a sort of multiverse nexus

[scarlet basalt]

ohh yeah that one

[velvet wing]

Is the infestation really an advanced intelligent faction or is it literally an infestation?

[obtuse gyro]

"intelligent"

[graceful zodiac]

Very, considering it's adept at subterfuge

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[graceful zodiac]

Granted, it's only tried that once so far

[scarlet basalt]

if that thing one day develop more it can be. I mean, it's not like they somehow made a cult

[zenith jacinth]

[velvet wing]

I’m just saying narrative wise it’s the choice they’d have to make if they develop more storylines for the infestation

[zenith jacinth]

It's an intelligent infestation

[obtuse gyro]

Its smart enough to do it

Look at Jordas and Lephantis

[zenith jacinth]

Infested salad

[scarlet basalt]

infestation can somehow infest cephalons.
Which is weird as hell, like...How ???

[obtuse gyro]

Thank Salad

made them able to infect machinery

As non-artificial cephalons are, they are machines now

[scarlet basalt]

the infestation while swallow the entire galaxy if it develops even more 😢

[zenith jacinth]

Unlikely

It can't even take over the plains as long as the tenno exist

[scarlet basalt]

yep, thank god the tenno exist bcz we still don't know if corpus/grineer have special squad to deal with the infestation, like burning unit that cleanse the infestation

[zenith jacinth]

I

You sure about that?

Both factions have flamethrower units

[velvet wing]

Interestingly enough now with Kahl’s Garrison we could start to see corpus/grineer going off and handling these things, potentially

[scarlet basalt]

idk but as far as i know they use normal units to deal with that ?
They have flamethrower unit, but they're just flamethrower units,not protected against the infestation 🤔

[zenith jacinth]

And the grineer use a kind of kavat

Kavats eat infestation

[scarlet basalt]

btw what the hell is that design of the hyekka master... She look so... strange in comparison with every other units

[velvet wing]

She’s a Mr Peanut cosplayer sssh

[zenith jacinth]

Flamethrower units are a lot more common in infestation missions

[scarlet basalt]

thank god they're also dealing with that then

[graceful zodiac]

Given that both factions have many many lost ships to the infestation already (with the Tenno doing major legwork keeping it suppressed) and Dark Sectors/Invasions exist, yes

[hallow moat]

What’s the ranking for operator focus? (From best to worst)

Also how does the Naramon first ability work? Like does it buff your weapon dmg in general, or just the operator weapon?

[craggy solstice]

Naramon's first ability has nothing to do with damage.

Naramon's first ability lifts enemies up.

Did you mean Madurai?

Because supposedly it also affects warframe weapons too, along with amps.

I am unsure if it works on exalted weapons.

[hallow moat]

Yeah but isn’t there another boost that if you damage lifted enemies with the operator, it boosts weapon damage for 40s up to 4 times?

[craggy solstice]

I see it.

I am unsure of how that works, I've never actually used it.

[hallow moat]

If it’s what I think it does, every enemy that gets hit by it boosts every weapon’s damage up to 4x the percentage. Worst case, it’s just for the operator’s weapon which still isn’t that bad

Also is Unari (or however you spell it) good? It has the armor strip and shield remove abilities

[vital creek]

it applies to warframe damage as well

and yes unairu is by far the strongest school

[alpine zinc]

Is it only me or did anyone else notice the man in the wall didn't visit you any longer after the New War quest? I quite miss those “Hey, Kiddo” spooks. Is it related or just not lucky?

[jagged sable]

Oh he still does spook you.

He just hadn't decided to "hey kiddo" you yet.

[zenith jacinth]

Unlucky

[stone forge]

hey

[wild wind]

Switch back to Operator, can't copy Drifter yet

ah heck wrong response, mb

@alpine zinc Wally only spooks Operator right now

[zenith jacinth]

Should still appear for drifters though, I've seen images of it

[wild wind]

Huh, really? I've never seen.

[fleet veldt]

Wall-Man only spooks as Operator. Yes, this means you can have very interesting dynamics for a variety of reasons.

[wild wind]

Looking forward to seeing my Operator doppleganger me when I'm not Operating, then

[velvet wing]

Is there any way to see how long until the zariman is under a different faction’s control? Is it when bounties cycle?

[obtuse gyro]

yea

[velvet wing]

Yes to the second part?

[obtuse gyro]

yes to both

[velvet wing]

Factions dominate for like 2+ hours? Gross

Why doesn’t creator mode let you play on old vallis/poe?

Like heaven forbid a baby Tenno see holo-lotus but giant sentient carcasses are fine?

[rain otter]

That second part doesn't really happen.

I don't remember the specifics.

[wild wind]

Pre-New War players automatically load into the original plains/vallis is what, they'll only enter post-New War zones if they load into a post-New War instance that already exists

for example if your MR0 friend answers your invite to an eidolon hunt

[velvet wing]

Creator mode was implemented to not give story spoilers, the giant landscape changes are kinda story spoilers, shouldn’t they be included in creator mode?

[steady gate]

What Creator mode changes is relatively minor; lotus profile, Solaris, operator and Entrati names

Changing how it loads an entirely different map might be too much

[velvet wing]

But it should do it

[wild wind]

honestly it shouldn't be hard, the old map already exists and you can still go back to it

Tying it to creator mode only makes sense

[onyx cobalt]

I lost the game

[oak gull]

Kratos absolutely Slams everyone in this Channel

[cloud merlin]

Hey, can anyone tell me how to use the operator

[mental mural]

Should be 5 to swap to operator

[cloud merlin]

I’m on PlayStation

[mental mural]

Oh nvm, apologies. Somehow missed the bright blue logo next to your name too :'D

[cloud merlin]

It’s alright

Although could you tell me if this is considered a spoiler

[wild wind]

It's called "spoiler mode" so yes

Anyway try R1+L1

[cloud merlin]

Thanks

[remote hinge]

i think its the touch button

[cloud merlin]

I learned thanks

[floral turret]

Anyone knows when the next dev stream is?

[fleet veldt]

Would guess the 25th at the latest.

[solid quarry]

The original Margulus. What is she? Orokin? Something else?

Archimedeans are human scholars and scientists that served under the Orokin during the Orokin-era. .. ok human. Ty

[balmy badger]

The Orokin themselves are human's technically, just with modified bodies.

Warframe doesn't have any aliens other than Wally. Everything that could be classified as "alien" otherwise were created by the Orokin.

[fringe turret]

Any Clan event / Operation up ahead? we really need one...since 2 years now, no communal activity

[floral tiger]

Yeah it’s been ages since we had any form of event, do miss them.

[dry magnet]

So insted getting Duviri Paradox update in the end of the year we are getting something totaly stupit, things like real weapon skins and pokemon frame

[torpid lantern]

[rain otter]

How is the wolf frame a Pokemon?

Tell me.

[torpid lantern]

I'm actually happier they've decided not to bundle the wolf frame into the Duviri release. It's better to focus entirely on Duviri instead of rushing it out with a bunch of other content and bugs

[dry magnet]

They are making duviri 3 years from now at that time some gaming compay can create 3 games at that time...

[zenith jacinth]

Ah yes, because having more time to refine work is stupid

[dry magnet]

they just dont know what to do with all this

[swift pond]

It's something to keep us busy while they work on & refine the larger update into 2023. I think we're ok.

[zenith jacinth]

Uneducated argument

They didn't work on tnw or duviri 24/7 in those 3 years you know

[dry magnet]

yea becouse they are focusing on wrong things

[swift pond]

If you don't like the content, that's fine, but understand it's there for a purpose and not to spite you or the fans.

[zenith jacinth]

There are no wrong things in game development aside from pointless extra mechanics or removing essential parts

[dry magnet]

in 3 years 1 dude can learn how to make a game and create a new game in that time

[swift pond]

Then do it.

[dry magnet]

hah who says i didnt 🙂

in unreal 4

[swift pond]

Mmhmm

But I'm getting off topic (and a bit vicious, sorry).

[torpid lantern]

Let's move on to a different topic please

[swift pond]

Convo's over, if one couldn't tell. Let's just move on as suggested.

[fleet veldt]

Sentients just wanted a nice garden world to frolic about on, emulating an ecosystem and being comfy with it.

If the 10-0 got there as was intended, the Sentient would've embraced the colonists with open arms through matters such as a mutual dislike of the Orokin themselves.

The colonists would certainly find a way to give the Sentient resistance if not immunity to the Void, and in time would be ready to oppose the Orokin with sound logic, and clear reason they couldn't argue against.

Even if it meant having to make new robotics factories for them to restart from, free from their Flaw.

Wonder what that hypothetical future could entail.

[graceful zodiac]

That....very baseless to say the least. More so given the Zariman was before the Sentients

[fleet veldt]

It is baseless, but the Void is what it is; the travel time of the 10-0 and the evolving proto-Sentient terraformers could've led to them both meeting up at roughly the same time.

[graceful zodiac]

It really can't. Sentients were only ever made after the Zariman failed

[fleet veldt]

Failed, or was it a plot by Tuvul to not let the 'petty peasantry' reach Tau and get the leg up on the Orokin?

[obtuse gyro]

Given that they needed us to succeed for "the Plan" as well as Wally appearing in the Drive room as well as the visual of the Zariman hitting something in the Void? No not an orokin plot

[fleet veldt]

Still think it was mostly an Orokin plot considering how Tuvul was (re)acting towards the potential colonists.

[obtuse gyro]

I doubt the Orokin had a hand in Wally's actions

[fleet veldt]

Man-in-Wall was probably giving the Orokin a high-level slap in the face - for drinking so much of his blood, for using so many of his fingers, for abusing him and using his power without consent.

[swift pond]

I'm sure Zariman was just a proof of concept before the Orokin went to occupy Tau themselves. Whether the colonists survived the jump might have been secondary to proving you could get there.

At least, that's what it sounds like described here.

[obtuse gyro]

the problem is that the zariman failed the jump so the proof of concept didnt pan out

[steady gate]

Tuval threatened the colonists families if the jump failed, likely to incentivize them to do it right. The Zariman was heavily Tuval’s project…I don’t think he wanted it to fail

[floral tiger]

Sounds like he was rushing it for them to make the jump, that in combination with the unrest from the people and sabotage lead to what happened probably.

[cyan crest]

That, and them making one big jump instead of multiple small jumps
And Wallman shenanigans

[valid sky]

Would definitely recommend playing new war with your dripter

[paper spade]

Does anyone have any idea how much the Xaku deluxe bundle will cost in Plat? I need to know how much I should save until it releases

[thick jolt]

I would guess somewhere around zephyr deluxe
Its in my opinion closest
Like it has a warframe skin and another non weapon skin

I dont think they give a plat price at all untill it launches so guessing based on approximations is what we have

[dull vine]

Yep

[opaque star]

Dunno why it did a few million damage, that normal?

[ruby eagle]

Could be the archon dmg attenuation or smt bugging out and amplify the damage instead of reducing it

[dry magnet]

Is there a way we can becom testers even for FREE...i want to test Duviri for them 🙂 i want to play it so badly 🙂

[obtuse gyro]

standard glitch on nira, where if you hit her with the right thing (some times just anything) she just dies

[opaque star]

I see, that's hilarious

[zenith jacinth]

Should call it a feature and make it play a pop sound when it happens

[north trail]

Pretty sure it's related to radiation damage

[obtuse gyro]

It should be, but its even weirder that someone is using op with the rad arcane to fight an archon, so Im assuming they aint using the rad arcane

[north trail]

I just realized the vid is an operator

[random pulsar]

No that's dripter

[north trail]

Same thing

[steady gate]

I’ve seen Nira nuke herself with the toxin aoe attack, no radiation on any weapon.

[past kiln]

chad nira

[north trail]

Honestly that ability sucks she deserves it

[steady gate]

It does

I’m gonna do a Nira fight and just not attack her, see how long it takes for her to randomly die

[fleet veldt]

No, we're already testing stuff (crossplay, updates that release with a few bugs).

We're still in beta.

[steady gate]

she killed herself 5 minutes into phase 1, 3 into phase 2. Both times it was the toxin aoe. Never shot her one time, but I did shoot her summons.

[north trail]

One day warframe 1.0 will come out

[north trail]

It's funny when she gets one shot in phase 1 because even the corpse spawns in for a moment but then you see her alive and well in phase 2

[supple dagger]

I hate liches

[spark herald]

Nira went invuln and starts spazzing around the arena. Archon fights are primed suck.

[steep delta]

Lol

[valid sky]

Just realised this how does the veil work on them there face is inside there bodies

[river willow]

maybe the special veil power stuff goop it's way into their brain? their head helmet thingy is connected to their brain so maybe thats how the veil works for them

[lusty cave]

Space magic...duh 😅

[balmy storm]

They most likely can see out of the robot head and the veil effect seems to effect people visually
Drifter is seen looking away from the big veil mirror during the “For Narmer” song

[steep delta]

Ballas' amalgam arm is gross

[thick jolt]

if you mean the long arm he always had it

[steep delta]

yeah when he gets amalgam'd though

oof

why does Ballas even have a long arm?

continuity?

[wraith sigil]

Maybe?

[steep delta]

that's what i'm thinking

[obtuse gyro]

Just orokin things

[steep delta]

Lol sounds about right

[obtuse gyro]

Most orokin get noodle arms because they can

[steep delta]

So what you are saying is if I were Orokin I could choose to get a noodle arm.

[wraith sigil]

And you can be immortal too I guess

[steep delta]

Yes maybe

Who knows

[rain otter]

I could get a noodle arm now with the right tools.

Like the Tenno can dye their skin with a orokin thing.

[steep delta]

You mean the

Refacia

[rain otter]

Yeah

[steep delta]

How do I even unlock the refacia?

[rain otter]

Master a focus school (get all the nodes and ranks) and you can buy it under the represent tag.

You only need to buy it once. In any of the focus school things.

[steady gate]

…how Kahl uses the Veilbreaker

He only grabs it off their robot face, then they’re free

[swift pond]

Pazuul ought to invest in some microchipping tech. Good luck unveiling on the field without ripping out their central nervous system.

[glass mesa]

Orokin thing. All the entrati have a longer right arm too

[cyan crest]

Not all

Representations of Albrecht have him with 2 normal arms

[swift pond]

In all fairness, he was probably the most normal Orokin to have ever existed.

[cyan crest]

If we're fair, father doesn't have a longer arm anymore cause he only has one

[swift pond]

Come on, we both know surprise amputation is cheating.

[zenith jacinth]

Didn't the orokin in parvos' tablets also have regular arms?

[balmy storm]

The whole long arm orokin thing is basically the orokin’s version of a beauty mark/beauty mole, right?

[zenith jacinth]

Ye

[cyan crest]

A mole that's probably artificially created

[real niche]

Less like a mole, more like foot binding (More or less crushing your toes to fit into smaller shoes)

[hallow moat]

So do I need MR 14 to get my Necromech?

Ah. Cuz I’m watching a video right now on it and it said that I needed mr 14 to get the standing for the secret area to get the blueprints

Must be an out-dated video

So do I need to grind the necrolight syndicate at all for my Necromech?

[real niche]

If you mean Necralisk, yes

[hallow moat]

Yeah that. Does that need MR 14 to get higher in the syndicate?

Oh, thank goodness lol

[hallow moat]

Was that ever a requirement in the past?

[real niche]

That was proposed for Helminth (and should've been put in)

[twin moth]

I hate getting my standing up in the necralisk

[zenith jacinth]

Necralisk, necraloid, necramech

[tepid meteor]

anyone else sobbing over the goodbye operator message?

[twin moth]

Don't think I've heard it?

[tepid meteor]

its the mantacord quest you get from simaris

[steady gate]

From Suda*

[tepid meteor]

Yea from her

[torpid lantern]

It's so cute and sad. Ordis is best boi

[tepid meteor]

Yesssss I’m glad we did lose him

[zenith jacinth]

What

[distant tusk]

Is teshin confirmed dead?

[cyan crest]

OK so it depends on how much you want to know about duviri

[distant tusk]

I don’t really care

I watched the stream

[cyan crest]

Alright so there's a Teshin in duviri

Now the question is if this our Teshin or another Teshin from another reality

[zenith jacinth]

I hope it's anothershin

[distant tusk]

Both

[zenith jacinth]

Can't be

[distant tusk]

Bc that’s how it works

[zenith jacinth]

[distant tusk]

Theoretically

[cyan crest]

Due to the possibility of both Teshin's existing at the same time cause duviri can be played before New War, I'd say it's another Teshin

[zenith jacinth]

You explain, green one

[distant tusk]

Oh

[cyan crest]

No, eternalism works in different instances of reality, different universes, it cannot be both at the same time in the same instance

[cyan crest]

Hehe

[cyan crest]

This is shown by operator and Drifter not being able to stay in the same room for too long, even switching mid conversation at the end of new war

[torpid lantern]

It has to be our Teshin because the only other universes we see is Drifter's and in Drifter's universe, the kids weren't rescued which would have meant no useable Warframes

[distant tusk]

Teshin is my favorite character

[cyan crest]

It could be from another unrelated universe
The idea that duviri is aplace where small things from other realities just... End up, like a reality trash dump is appealing to me, but I'm not sure it's the intention they're going after

Still, even if duviri is not the reality toilet, I think Twoshin can still be from another reality

[torpid lantern]

I think they're avoiding that sheer mind scrambling complexity xD

[cyan crest]

Two Teshin's from different time periods existing at the same time is also a bit confusing

[torpid lantern]

Duviri appears to be a fabricated bubble of the void, not even a real place

[north trail]

This is complete speculation but maybe they managed to get controllable warframes without transference in that universe

[cyan crest]

Or perhaps those frames could be from our universe but Twoshin from other... Or perhaps I'm thinking too hsrd

[maiden light]

Or not care that they're uncontrollable - It's not like ballas is the most ethical general.

[torpid lantern]

Right! Because we know Teshin was alive serving the queens during that scene. A different Teshin wouldn't be able to exist at the same time

[north trail]

We really don't know that much about drifter's universe

[cyan crest]

Thing is, I don't want Teshin to just be resuscitated, that takes away from character death methinks

[north trail]

Other than we didn't make the deal and got stuck in duviri

[north trail]

Yeah although that death was very weird in the first place

[torpid lantern]

I agree, but it's a valid argument that he didn't die, but was rather severally wounded and sucked into the void. The Teshin in the playthrough is definitely super hurt

[cyan crest]

But then again due to eternalism, all time is equally real so you could pull a Teshin from the future to the equally real past
Wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff could be the explanation

[cyan crest]

The lost leg is new, that's for sure

[torpid lantern]

That's what I'm thinking happened. He's talking to Drifter like he thinks he's the operator

[cyan crest]

I think I can accept the resurrection as long as he's a different enough character to warrant it
Oldshin certainly seems different enough

Time will tell

Hehe get it
Time

I'll see myself out

[obtuse gyro]

Or, he knows theyre effectively going to be the same body

[errant charm]

Old Teshin in the Duviri video kinda reminds me visually of Medivh from warcraft lore.

[jagged sable]

To be fair tho, we kinda assumed Drifter the future version of the Operator.

[torpid lantern]

Yes it's very strange. I'm trying to understand is this line:
What I struggle to understand is why the other side is even trying to help you.

[jagged sable]

Maybe Old Teshin thought the same?

[cyan crest]

Some people point to the hand, but I think it's the mirror operator scenes

[torpid lantern]

It sounds like he knows he's stuck in a Different universe and fed up with trying to get the Drifter to remember anything. Stuck explaining over and over that the other version of the Drifter is helping them

Poor guy. I'd go crazy

[jagged sable]

Oh yeah, if Drifter's caught in a loop, why wouldn't Teshin be?

[cyan crest]

Timey wimey

[torpid lantern]

Because Dominus doesn't think Teshin is nearly as funny to mess with probably xD

[distant tusk]

YEAAH wibbily wobbly tiny wimy stuff

[torpid lantern]

Grumpy old man that lives in a cave and yells at you or Sassy space cowboy?
You decide

[obtuse gyro]

DE better hide a blue police box somewhere in duviri

[distant tusk]

BOTH

[cyan crest]

Wiuuuuu

[distant tusk]

Wait I just saw this but YES

[cyan crest]

It has to be smaller on the outside ;]

[distant tusk]

Let’s be honest

We all prefer the femshin that was posted awhile back in fanart

[fleet veldt]

That was my thought.

Then again from the looks of it, Duviri is/was/has/will've been the domain of Dominus Thrax - who's dictated the is and isn't-s of everything therein.

Though it also means there's some stuff lying around - people who're dead or presumed dead, entities we thought wouldn't have survived in the Void...

Given that there's planes, there must be multiple versions of Duviri, and the one we've glimpsed is Dominus Thrax's... Could even be the source of the Thrax troopers, with the Thrax troopers being like Parvos' Specters in terms of harbingers of unknowable and terrifying.

Others could have entirely different depending on circumstances.

For example, Natah would have to have made it through Duviri to escape and find herself bootstrapped to the Orbiter's Somatic chair to act as a life support while Drifter's finding the appropriate means to bring her to strength.

[fleet veldt]

Remember, your Operator and Drifter, due to being from differing timelines, can be 'opposites' in the same sense. Think of the possible dynamics this may imply.

[distant tusk]

Exactly

[fleet veldt]

Though now you also may have a timeline where Teshin is Varzia and Varzia is Teshin, to put it simply.

[distant tusk]

Yeah

Wibbily wobbily spacy wacy stuff

[fleet veldt]

Same kind of principle exploited by Void Relics; guess is that each one you open, the number of items you didn't have come back as Relics in respective futures which you open, resulting in more Relics being 'if'd' into existence.

[distant tusk]

Again

Wibbily wobbily spacy wacy stuff

[cyan crest]

It's also timey wimey

[distant tusk]

Indeed

[fleet veldt]

Yes. Void-based, meaning it's those three things at the same time. Do not ask about the third thing.
Furthermore, our Landing Craft is the 'bridge' section of the Orbiter, the inside is bigger than the exterior by a few increments..

[distant tusk]

AHA

We do have a TARDIS

[fleet veldt]

Same with Railjacks, Dojos (by technicality), Void Towers (see also: the mess on Lua because the structure didn't have time to prepare for real-world'ing).

[cyan crest]

But it's as big on the inside as on the outside >:'[

[fleet veldt]

What if the outside isn't a Liset variation?

[cyan crest]

Fair...

[fleet veldt]

Or is one of those tiny little Zariman shuttles.

[cyan crest]

I wish they'd add alternate navigation rooms for different landing crafts

[distant tusk]

Oh yeah I currently have the nightwave one

[fleet veldt]

Earliest I'd guess this'd be a thing is late 2025 as if DE wanted to do this, they would've at least thought of it and done it by this point.

Of course it'd mean 5-6x more geometry work and 5-6x more different saved 'rooms'.

...That said, would like a Classic Landing Craft, since the asset and it's related parts are still somewhere.

[errant charm]

I personally feel that all but the Liset sit in a docking bay on a lower deck. the Orbiter when "assembled" in space looks to be enormous.

from some of the concept art I have seen at least

[fleet veldt]

Maybe at some point we'll get to explore our Orbiter's storage compartments and get a way to earn slots that is accessible earlier-on or something.

[errant charm]

I use the Harrier skin for my landing craft that thing looks to have a cockpit rather than a navigation room. I use it because it reminds me of Wipeout(the Playstation racing game not the summer game show on ABC).

[fleet veldt]

Classic.

[distant tusk]

It would be cool to see Warframe skins based on the duviri animals

Like holey

[fleet veldt]

Or the Duviri Dax.

[distant tusk]

Yeah

[fleet veldt]

Like an Incarnon series of skins that work for a broad number of frames - cross-frame skins, to put it insanely.

[distant tusk]

We’re kinda are getting that with the xaku deluxe

[fleet veldt]

True. And Lotus.

[distant tusk]

That would be cool

I’m definitely getting the xaku deluxe

[fleet veldt]

Agreed.

[mental mural]

Farming credits so I can max all my expensive mods and sell those off to buy their deluxe when it's released

[distant tusk]

My clan does giveaways and I recently won a plat one

Although I might be a bit short but I can wait for a coupon from the daily rewards

[mental mural]

Ey, congrats! My clan recently did a three-winner giveaway for winner's choice of deluxe bundle but I have garbage luck so

[distant tusk]

I’m free to play so I usually have little to no plat

[mental mural]

Same here

When I did have plat I accidentally spent it on railjack salvage slots bc misclick

Was a sad day :c

[distant tusk]

Oof

That’s tough

[fleet veldt]

I've had only one incident of anything similar but it was a mis-purchase of Ankyros. On my Xbox side.

[bright hinge]

Dont need irl money for plat

[distant tusk]

Yes well If your mid game it can be a little hard to get stuff to sell

[bright hinge]

Just sell saryn

80 a pop

[mental mural]

You assume I have good enough luck to collect a full saryn set

[ruby eagle]

Also very unreliable method would be selling rivens

[distant tusk]

Same here

[bright hinge]

Yes i have 15

With no preset aya

[mental mural]

Managed to do that one time and now I'm never gonna be able to get her set again

[bright hinge]

Btw

@mental mural radshare

[ruby eagle]

Or running with randos then suddenly get a glaive prime bp

Instant 100+ plat

[mental mural]

I'm mostly just selling dragon key mods atm

[distant tusk]

Me and RNG are not on the best of terms rn

[bright hinge]

Thats why radshare exists take other peoples rng

[distant tusk]

Oh

Me aeveryone’s

[bright hinge]

?

[distant tusk]

@ everyone

Nvm

[vast harbor]

[supple dagger]

I hate you...

[tidal sparrow]

Hate is a strong word.

[supple dagger]

Yes. Yes it is.

It's alright though. I forgive people easily. Mostly because I forget that I'm mad at them lol

[random pulsar]

where tauforged amber

[supple dagger]

Gods... imagine a full tauforged shard setup

[tidal sparrow]

At least you know that hate is a strong word.Have a great day!!

[swift pond]

Hate is a strong word.
But can it out-dps a Saryn

[glass mesa]

I'm hoping a way to fuse them to get a tauforged at some point.

[swift pond]

That sounds dope, though the exchange rate would have to be pretty good for an item you get twice a week...

[glass mesa]

I'd probably do three, maybe 4, normals for a tauforged. Enough that it's not too silly, but certainly not enough for you to do it willy-nilly. Or one of all three normals to get a normal you want

[swift pond]

let's be honest, it'd work like transmutation where fusing multiple types gave you a dice roll between all of them

[glass mesa]

plzno

liches are easy to farm

[zenith jacinth]

It can't, but this lag switch can

[zenith jacinth]

Did someone say lavos

[swift pond]

Lag Switch? Sounds about right.
Sorry

[zenith jacinth]

The transmuter

[swift pond]

He who trans
mutates, he transmuta-

[zenith jacinth]

He mutes trans

Oh no, why he do that

[swift pond]

Let them speak

[zenith jacinth]

Jokes mostly aside I often get some pretty rare stuff from transmuting while using lavos

Also, these aren't symmetrical
()

Bye

[wise oracle]

which ones to look for and how much should i sell for

[mental mural]

I have no idea how much they go for on playstation, but typically the ones with 10 total ranks of fusion sell for the most (on PC narrow minded and transient fortitude go for ~70p each at max rank, blind rage 60p, magnum force 45p)

[supple dagger]

okay so as much as I dislike the Hate weapon I dislike most Saryn nukers more

[swift pond]

Hate in a metaphorical sense or the actual scythe?
Honestly, the scythe's alright. I just prefer Reaper Prime for not being as edgy

Can't remember for the life of me which one has the better stats though.

[wicked iron]

Peppermint Scythe best scythe.

Reaper Prime has better stats.

[swift pond]

Calm down now, we're not even out of November yet!

[wicked iron]

We're ALWAYS out of November! Even IN November!!!

[swift pond]

boy is that ever true

[wicked iron]

[swift pond]

I figured as much for Reaper Prime. Might have been conflating their riven dispositions (I think Hate is a bit higher?)

[wicked iron]

Dispositions I'm not sure of, but could certainly be interesting to see how powerful you can get the two.

[swift pond]

If I ever crack a Hate riven, I'll see if I can't compare it against my own riven'd Reaper. For science, of course!

[wicked iron]

[supple dagger]

The actual scythe.

But one thing I like more is when in New War, ||Kahl says it's Kahling time and Kahls all over the place||

I-

:(

[supple dagger]

SORRY I MEANT LIKE

[amber ridge]

Why is it during loading screen of entering a mission a message pops up but the writings isn't clear

[jagged sable]

Oh Orokin writing?
If so, that's a second dream teaser. Nothing to worry about.

[amber ridge]

Well all of my quests are completed so not sure why the teaser shows up

Except for the wave rider quest

[obtuse gyro]

shows up regardless of completion

[hallow moat]

So what do I do with the voidrig component blueprints that the quest gave me

Is that like a starter necramech?

[gray bridge]

@crimson jackal4

[steady gate]

Voidrig is the DPS Necramech, very strong. You have to build it (or the other one) to be able to start a later quest

[hallow moat]

So from the research I’ve done so far, all I need to do is grind vaults a couple of times to get the components? (Discluding mining/fishing ofc). And do I need to rank up the secret syndicate to make those parts?

[steady gate]

No, you don’t have to upgrade the syndicate to make them. That syndicate is for buying the blueprints to the other one (or a Voidrig duplicate), special mech weapons and mech mods. Though if you build the mech now, be aware you can’t actually use it until you complete The War Within

[hallow moat]

Ah. Thank goodness I did that quest years ago lol

[hallow moat]

So after I make the Voidrig, I can use it for missions?

Cuz I was watching a video and saw someone using it for normal missions

[steady gate]

For SOME missions. Open worlds, Railjack, upcoming missions with the next update

[hallow moat]

Ah

So I might grind that before I grind the arch gun deployer

[steady gate]

Yeah, maybe.

[dreamy saffron]

Considering the Archgun Deployer's only real requirement is max Solaris standing, you could always do both at once! Since maxing out a faction can take a while with the daily standing cap limiting you

[hallow moat]

Yeah

[wild wind]

The difference is that vault runs are fun while Vallis Bounties are a chore

[dreamy saffron]

That's why you do conservation instead! Like 5 minutes out on the Valis catching free roam animals hits your standing cap. Though for the bonds, you're kinda outta luck there.

[amber pivot]

Helpp I got a Sister called Octavia!

[jagged sable]

octavia's anthem intensifies with malicious intent
(Seriously tho, I had no idea a sister's name could actually be called octavia xD)

[wild wind]

That only really works when you can go for Kubrodons though, before that you're doing... what, pobbers? 300 each?

Narmer bounties are a touch better since you can double dip while working on Caliban anyway, but still aaaaaaa

[dreamy saffron]

Pobbers are actually super difficult to catch compared to anything else! Quite often you can snag 3 Flossy Sawgaws with one Ivara sleep arrow, getting 1200 standing instantly with 0 work!

[wild wind]

Huh do they group up that thickly? I've never had luck with that.

And yeah ugh pobbers lol I'm pretty sure I've gotten like 1 perfect capture ever

[mental mural]

I've only ever gotten one pobber capture ever :'D gave up on those very quickly

[dreamy saffron]

Yep! It's pretty common! Though groups of 2 isn't bad either

[wild wind]

Huh, genuinely never seen that. Though I guess I don't go to the Vallis much anymore except when I need hesperon

[steady gate]

Animals do also naturally spawn on the vallis now, really often. Sure it’s 70% Sawgaws but they naturally spawn

[glass mesa]

I reccomend jetpack and the tranq rifle

you need to get a feel for the distance but it lets you tranq and animal with any warframe with shocking speed

[zenith jacinth]

Archwing

[dry magnet]

So hers a thing,they did say about duviri that they will show more in January devstream.so that means we will get duviri update maybe in next month after all that or maybe even longer -_-

[thick jolt]

Yeah duviri got delayed and we get luas prey instead

[supple dagger]

ye

[crisp shuttle]

Pretty sure Hunhow is helping to save Natah, and also because Ballas isn’t a sentient? Not 100% sure, just my understanding of it.

[supple dagger]

why does he want to save natah

im only at the archon killing part tho

[crisp shuttle]

Natah is his daughter

[supple dagger]

so please dont spoil anything beyond that

oh lol

where'd they say that

[crisp shuttle]

That was all the way back in like second dream or something

[supple dagger]

i forgor 💀 everything lol

[crisp shuttle]

I don’t even know if it was explicitly stated but I know that it was heavily implied

[wicked iron]

It was stated, yes. "The last of my womb."

[crisp shuttle]

There is also some dialogue during the archon missions that kinda helps explain why he’s helping

[supple dagger]

really gotta refresh my knowledge on warframe lore fr

[edgy sierra]

he wants his youngest child to be free to make her own choices

not controlled by the tenno, erra or ballas

[zenith jacinth]

Isn't the tnw hunhow node called "Enemy of my enemies"

So yeah, lesser of two evils, enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that

[random pulsar]

Call of duty

[orchid horizon]

I was rewatching the duviri gameplay trailer and I swear if it wasn't for the drifter outfit you could tell me it's a completely different game from warframe and not a expansion

[orchid remnant]

What about the parts of the Duviri paradox gameplay trailer with the warframes in them

[orchid horizon]

for the most part

[north trail]

It was in the quest (fittingly) named "natah"

[crisp shuttle]

Ah right

[languid torrent]

So, I took a good look at Drifter's default outfit, and I swear, someone on the character design team saw the new Dune film when making that outfit.

[fringe plinth]

lol still no fix XD prob for some quest in da future

weee

[obtuse gyro]

The poor sods in switch havent even gotten some things fixed, psn and switch just watched their chat break, this orb still being around isnt an indication of proof that its for Lua's prey

[fringe plinth]

is been there ever since veilbreaker they would've seen it and patch it n still none u do know this is able to fix with a hotfix

do you remember back when the natah transmission appear in regular mision

[obtuse gyro]

youre getting awfully close to sounding like an armchair dev

unless you can point to the exact code (and thus fix) ||spoiler you cant|| you cant claim its easy to fix

[obtuse gyro]

people are seeing lech kril appear instead of margulis, that make it part of lore?

[north trail]

I do think it's lua's prey tho

There might be some prologue type quest for duviri

And it's on the moon

Like apostasy

[obtuse gyro]

thing is, the dude's inital argument is that its not showing lua, but it could function like the original orb that teleported us to lua during the prologues. However, if it really is meant to tease the next quest... which happens on lua, the argument starts to be in a bit of a pickle

[north trail]

Well at the point the orb came out we didn't know it was about lua

The fact it's a new orb gives it away for me

Like do you really think they "accidentally" put an unused asset there

[obtuse gyro]

and now we do know its on Lua, but the fella didnt change his argument

if im wrong and its a "teaser" then so be it, but its persistence through patches is terrible evidence for it being a teaser

[graceful zodiac]

It'd be weird for DE to put a teaser over 6 months before anything related to it. I don't think even the Second Dream teaser was in for so long

[obtuse gyro]

well super technically, the second dream teaser is the longest running teaser since they never set it to be disabled after the second dream

[fleet veldt]

What if it only really disables after Drifter experiences a similar awakening?

My hunch is Duviri is a 'backwards' journey - not from Warframe to Tenno, but from Tenno to Warframe. A sort of literal circle, and a callback to Ordis-no-Precepts in Sacrifice.

[cyan crest]

Doubt they'd plan all that as far back as TSD

[fleet veldt]

Maybe they did, maybe they had ideas that they didn't have the right execution context for.

That said: where's the Sentient fighter dropships that rezz the fighters now that they're easy to kill (at least in most cases outside Sorties, Archon Hunts, and Steel Path)?

[north trail]

It's 3 months at most from veilbreaker till lua's prey

[tepid umbra]

[distant tusk]

Does the giant lazer in the 10-0 remind anyone else of the Behemoth from the expanse?

[orchid remnant]

it’s the other way around

Behemoth was based off of the Zariman

[hidden gyro]

New Kahl-175 Plushy coming out in December guy’s n gal’s! Check it out!!! ||just kidding! Would be interesting to see though!||

[swift pond]

don't toy with my emotions, you

[zenith jacinth]

"Ordis-no-precepts"?

[cyan crest]

Starchild ordo

[zenith jacinth]

Oh, that

[river pawn]

what is this tho

[fringe plinth]

some cool stuff

[river pawn]

u sit down?

[fringe plinth]

from prologue inda future

[river pawn]

oh ok

[fringe plinth]

memories of how the drifter enter to operator universe

[river pawn]

oh

[zenith jacinth]

What the hek are you talking about

[fringe plinth]

havnt u played the apotasy and chimera prologue ?

[zenith jacinth]

Those aren't related to drifter in any way

[fringe plinth]

bruh then tell me how on earth did he put it there by magic ?

[zenith jacinth]

Put what where

[fringe plinth]

eidolon lotus bro

[zenith jacinth]

[fringe plinth]

thats what duviri about finding lotus part around duviri and take her to the camp

and dats how you found out in dormizone you will able to see the teshin sword at the door area

[zenith jacinth]

How are the prologues related to that though

[fringe plinth]

by chatting bruh

[zenith jacinth]

Have you found some nitain or something? Whatever you're talking about, it doesn't seem to make sense

[jagged sable]

At the moment, we don't really know anything for sure. All we do have are speculations on what the smokey stuff is in our personal quarters.
Some think it's a bug DE never got to fixing and others think it's a bit of foreshadowing. I believe it's foreshadowing. Because if it was a bug, surely DE would've done something about it by now. We'll just have to wait and see.

[north trail]

Why have these Enemies appeared? What is a Void Conjunction ? What connection could it all have to the Duviri Paradox? Find out when Lua’s Prey launches on all platforms!

[mental mural]

My personal headcanon is that it's Wally playing a prank on us

[short adder]

what is bro hanging on 💀

[zenith jacinth]

Vine

[torpid lantern]

Huh i've never sen him do that before

[rain otter]

I have.

[orchid remnant]

How does the skirt stay upright instead of flopping down lol

[rain otter]

Magic

[zenith jacinth]

It be the void man, he do what he wants

[random pulsar]

^^^

[bitter eagle]

You know what I'd like to do? Use all the Archons weapons. Boreal's spear(gun), Amar's blades, and Nira's whip. Maybe let us use Nira's eye as a beam type pistol? It did say that meeting her gaze was equivalent to death, so...

[zenith jacinth]

You can

And it's a polearm, not a speargun

[bitter eagle]

I meant using all three at the same time.

And if I can do that, why can't I see the options in the melee slot?

nvm, found Nira's thing...

[bitter eagle]

Question... Do the Archon Hunts cycle through the trio, or is it semi random?

[edgy sierra]

cycles

[bitter eagle]

Sweet. Means next up is Crimson, yeah?

[supple dagger]

Epic

[edgy sierra]

Its actually Fleaso

[languid torrent]

Peko.

[random pulsar]

his name is alad v

[jagged sable]

Now, I kinda wanna see a 3 way fight between the wolf of Saturn 6. Amar, and Voruna.
3 way wolf fight!

[zenith jacinth]

Wasn't it sorta random?

Teso

[zenith jacinth]

Korumm

[near rune]

It might have seemed like that because when they reset the Archon weekly cycles it went from Amar back to Boreal instead of progressing to Nira. But it's always been Boreal-Amar-Nira except for the time they reset it.

[north trail]

Actually it went from boreal to boreal

[near rune]

Even weirder. I just remember there was some confusion there, especially since it was only a few weeks in and people hadn't really gotten a good feel for the pattern.

[cosmic ermine]

killed angel right before it disappears, and its stuck on this pose

[red beacon]

damn my second riv is a kuva bramma

[scarlet basalt]

Guys i have a weird thought : what if the necramech spawning on lua is a hint that Kaithes will have a chance to be spawned in normal gameplay?

oh that would be funny if drifter will be a new experiences to test how focus could work.
Like a talent that can be bought (post tnw) for like 1 million focus on any focus tree and that will be then bought for every other tree that allow your 3 to spawn a kaith.

Wait that could be pretty nice i think ? It could change the dash spam ?

[zenith jacinth]

How tho

And where's the connection between giant death robots and funny horses

[ionic glade]

whats this?

looks like a small ship to me🤔

if yall want to check it out i fount it right here!

[deft void]

So I'm looking at the Zariman in my orbiter's front window and... I see trees. I know that's the Void but.. trees. Is this a hint of Devari Paradox?

[ionic glade]

yah the other side of the zariman is the devari paradox

thats why we see it in the videow on the ground its like a gate way

we have half the ship the other half is on the other side 😅

[deft void]

And one day we'll have it lal out of the void.

[ionic glade]

idk it might stay in the void so we can travel to the other side as we please

and plus they said if they took it out the void energy would spread all over the galaxy witch would be dangerous

[deft void]

Didn't [DE] show us entering Duvari in a Railjack?

[dull vine]

Yep that's duviri

[ionic glade]

idk but they know if they remove its dangrous 😅

[dull vine]

What

[ionic glade]

if they removed the zariman void energy would spread to the planets?

[obtuse gyro]

We'd have void storms from here all the way to mercury

Which I assume is a very large distance

[zenith jacinth]

Pretty sure that was the old duviri

[zenith jacinth]

Duviri is waiting, yes

[fleet veldt]

More like we got stranded-without-Railjack in Duviri by causes related to the Drifter but you could say that.

That said, I wonder if there's an Umbra roaming Duviri with his son still alive/intact (if not 'recreated' as an Incarnon form).

[stark sundial]

what's your build for nataruk ?

[elder portal]

Cant wait dir duviri paradox

[wild copper]

<@&778745217037238293>

[zenith jacinth]

Hmm. I'm interested in seeing those new nodes on the 30th now...

Switch news finally got the information about lua's prey

[ripe tinsel]

sounds like 'survival but some enemies are inexplicably tankier and need to be oneshot with the arquebus

[zenith jacinth]

I meant the lore stuff going on

[fleet veldt]

Duviri's delayed for next year as DE wants to continue working on it and hopefully get Crossplay connecting more platforms.

[zealous latch]

Jan is the new date right?

[swift pond]

Winter is all they said, from what I know (so anywhere between December and February).

In a business/development context, I know winter solstice and the weirdness around that.

[fleet veldt]

Anywhere from March onwards is a better guess.

My bleak-angled optimistic view would say Nov 30, 2023 - if we're going by previous delay history.

[swift pond]

Well... They didn't specify which winter 2023...

[fleet veldt]

DE said Lua's Prey would be filling in for the date DE wanted to release Duviri at current so the best case I can wager is Feb 28 to April 4.

If it's not in that date range and is coming sooner then they'll be poised against Lightfall and other content releases elsewhere.

This is also factoring in how quickly DE can successfully add other platforms to the crossplay roster as I remember DE having a desire to have all platforms become united - like what happened to Baro.

[thick jolt]

?

[deft void]

Okay, wtf.. the people.. the Zariman survivors.. they all died? Yonta even said she gave herself to the jade light..
...
Do'h..Eternalism.

[edgy sierra]

void manifestation, actually

[deft void]

So they're alive.. but dead

They're Schrodinger cats

[thick jolt]

And thats mentioned where?

...

[steady gate]

It’s similar to Thrax and Void angels

Unless they have a rad proc they aren’t seen by Grineer/Corpus

and in return don’t attack said Grineer/corpus

[orchid remnant]

Do you think this means radiation does something weird with void stuff, or is it just gameplay

[obtuse gyro]

No not schrodingers cats

They died and now are back from the dead... But arent quite alive

[deft void]

The void is weird

[obtuse gyro]

Should be from the thrax codex iirc

[thick jolt]

But would that apply to the holdfasts ?

[obtuse gyro]

Was that the topic? Ngl I dont think that applies to the holdfasts given that theyre one fart away from being angels and you can see angels

Unless... They can't see angels and thats why the rescue team thought it was pristine

[orchid remnant]

But couldn’t they see the wreckage

[obtuse gyro]

No that cant be it, the ship was still wrecked

[balmy storm]

That’s the Thrax units

[balmy storm]

They’re more like ghosts, void copies of who they were before they died

[short adder]

how do i rank up on kahl's camp? just stopped being lazy and unlocked it yesterday

[rain otter]

Literally do the weekly Kahl Misson

[short adder]

aight

[rain otter]

You start at rank 1 doing the mission gets you to rank 2

[short adder]

so 1 rank a week?

[rain otter]

Also doing the first misson will get you Chipper

[balmy storm]

Yes

[short adder]

yea i finished all task and have 105 currency thingy

[rain otter]

And Chipper? If so then you've done you're Kahl stuff you can do. Make sure to do the Proper Archon Hunt as well.

[short adder]

oh boy 4 more weeks until im max then, should have done it on sunday so it reset on monday

[rain otter]

Not 4

You Are rank 2

If you did the first misson

So 3 more weeks.

[short adder]

well i did it yesterday so i got 5 days and at least 12hs to wait

for next week

[rain otter]

Do the Archon Hunt

[short adder]

i rank up on that too?

[rain otter]

The normal Archon hunt for a Shard

[rain otter]

No but you get a shard

[short adder]

yea i done that many times but just decided to unlock kahl's camp now

[rain otter]

Oh

Werid

[short adder]

when burnout fading away the grinds await

[rain otter]

But yeah Kahl resets at the same time Sorties and Archon hunts do

And the challenges are how you get Stock.

[fleet veldt]

It's pretty fun, managed to do all my challenges in one run. Gameplay's really similar to Republic Command and Lego Star Wars titles if you think about it.

[rough sigil]

Que onda banda

[flat shadow]

English only here, please. Thank you.
Inglês apenas aqui, por favor. Obrigada.

[rough sigil]

Ok,thanks.🤘🏼

[cyan crest]

Gotta love the Portuguese as a response to a message in Spanish

[flat shadow]

That's why we use English only here. Translate doesn't always get the language right, never mind the translation

[cyan crest]

Ik ik, it was just a funny little remark

[deft void]

Question tho, while our Drifter is out doing Duvari Paradox, what is our Tenno doing?

[flat shadow]

The events leading up to TNW

[thick jolt]

To elaborate on risingabyss' answer it has been stated that you can do the duviri paradox quest before the new war

[deft void]

So this is taking place.. in the past? @_@

Warframe timeline, more complicated then the LoZ timeline.

[swift pond]

It isn't that complicated, you see-

sadly, they had died of a stroke merely contemplating the explanation

[deft void]

xDD Gives a cookie for trying

LoZ timeline merely branches off, Warframe timeline takes the concept of Time's Arrow and breaks it over its Excalibur knee.

So it's canon that Duvari is in the past pre new war.

[swift pond]

It's effectively the Drifters backstory, from what I can glean.

[deft void]

And since the events of Angels of Zariman take place post new war.. o_o

But.. that's not possible, AoZ is pre DP.

[swift pond]

DP sounds like it's pre-NW. I don't see the larger issue.

[deft void]

Yea.. I may need a irl taco or stop thinking about this.

[sly plinth]

AoZ isn't pre DP

[flat shadow]

Not sure where duviri starts, precisely. We know it starts after the Zariman accident during the Orokin empire, and before the point that the ||Operator is sent into the void hole by Ballas||

And some part of DP and TNW overlaps.

[zenith jacinth]

DP is the time between the op/lotus void yeet and drifter getting yeeted out into our reality

[flat shadow]

Pretty close. Maybe. We don't know how ||long her hand drifted before it landed in Duviri||

DE tends to be pretty vague about timelines, and I believe it is deliberate.

[zenith jacinth]

Well, it still has to be between the two events I mentioned

[ripe tinsel]

Has anything ever been said about timeflow within the void

[flat shadow]

Pretty sure it doesn't flow the same way as it does outside the void.

[swift pond]

Other than it being real weird? Nothing too specific.

[zenith jacinth]

Drifter's been there for thousands of years and looks not much older than op

[fleet veldt]

All the common laws of reality stop applying when in the Void.
You can be in there for years, and emerge having aged only about 1 second older - or even regressed.

The deeper you go down/up/through/out it, the stranger it may get.

[zenith jacinth]

The void is also capable of producing crystallized argon and maintaining it in that state

[fleet veldt]

That's one byproduct, yes. Plus - given the Thrax soldiers and Holdfasts - it can 'remember' people and objects, though it's perception twists them a bit.

[zenith jacinth]

Perhaps intentionally?

[fleet veldt]

Perhaps, though if those things/people are in proximity to beings like us Tenno, they revert to a semblance of familiar and world-law-abiding normality.

This is described as a 'light' by the Holdfasts, who've tithed their existences onto us.

However it then begs the question: if we 'map' a 'route' in the Void and traverse it enough, we may encounter Void-based emulations of those locations for any number of reasons.

Like with Lua being in the Void for some time.

[shrewd bone]

I mean it kinda plays into a shrodinger's cat situation or a scientific super position then. Only when observed does it truly exist or havr some kind of outcome but until then it's a totally unknown or nebulous existence

[zenith jacinth]

Not really

They existed before we arrived, and they continue to exist when we leave

[graceful zodiac]

Yes and no. In context to Operators universe, it doesn't matter because Drifter only ever gets to interact in-between Act 1 and 2 of New War

[wicked iron]

Duviri is both before and after The New War, I believe Rebecca or Steve said on a previous stream. It takes place for each player whenever they end up doing it. It's a Paradox, after all.

[flat shadow]

"Before"
"After"
"Neither"
"Both"
"VOID!"

[zenith jacinth]

I think they said it can be played before or after tnw, not that it takes place then. I'm not entirely certain, of course, I never am

[edgy sierra]

it actually takes place during every moment, but no moment in particular

(jk, but not really)

[novel ermine]

i wish it can only be done after TNW and AOTZ so it wouldn't make a confused conmunity lets all agree to that

[short adder]

||spoiler||

[fleet veldt]

You can wish all you want, but it wouldn't be a paradox if you couldn't.

[swift pond]

Voruna next week

[novel ermine]

agree

but it wold be logical for it to be like that

[mental mural]

The void is not a logical place(s)

[novel ermine]

i say yes to that

but it wold confuse new players

so he wold only exest once we know of him

but still

all laws of phisicks and timeline continuwety is broke

[steep delta]

yes indeed lol

[zenith jacinth]

That wouldn't make sense timeline-wise, it doesn't take place after those

[fleet veldt]

It takes place before and after and among, but also is backstory for Drifter and an explanatory for why Lotus wound up in our Orbiter when we began as Drifter in New War.

[wild wind]

(Really though, it happens between part 1 and part 2)

[steep delta]

We're getting a Lotus skin in Lua's Prey, yesssssssssssss?

[thick jolt]

yeah part of xaku deluxe pack

[steep delta]

Tempted to trade every prime item I have just to get that pack

I need Ducats though

[dull vine]

Why do you want the lotus skin

[mental mural]

Because fancy skins make brain happy

[steep delta]

Lol yes indeed

[torpid lantern]

It's very pretty

[steep delta]

yes it is

[rugged ridge]

I haven't seen what it looks like, I haven't been able to find it! I'll probably get it but I want to collect Natah, Margulis, and Radiant Lotus first so she can be what she wants to be, like she (or Margulis?) said to us long ago

I have two out of three, I just need Natah! Anyone know where I can see the new skin?

(Also in hindsight I probably sound ridiculous, I'm very attached to the writing in this game and the themes of it all and it's worth a little plat to me when I have a lot from trading to give the characters a little something, even though they're just static NPCs. I imagine the Lotus feeling better being identity fluid and Ordis being very happy taking part in the carnage with his sentinel skin, lol)

[cyan crest]

The skins don't change the identity, only her looks
It's a neat headcanon nonetheless, I like it

[steady gate]

https://twitter.com/PlayWarframe/status/1595522576754917376
It’s not out yet but

WARFRAME (@PlayWarframe)

Rejuvenate the Lotus with the elegant Lotus Amaga Skin.

Add this radiant Skin to your collection from the in-game Market when Lua’s Prey launches on November 30! Learn more: https://t.co/9X5VYIShoO

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[raven veldt]

4

[supple dagger]

I want ordis sentinel skin so I could do the same

[cyan crest]

i wish it wasn't 100 plat :[

it's not very expensive but i only have like 9 plat

:p

[supple dagger]

I have like none

[cyan crest]

lol

[undone gazelle]

lotus prime

[frigid edge]

mom prime

[undone gazelle]

personally i still like the way natah looks but new one is neat i might get eidolon lotus sometime

[random pulsar]

Creator mode masterrace

[ruby eagle]

why is drifter face so round?

[zenith jacinth]

Because you make it round, mine's is pretty much a triangle

[undone gazelle]

mine looks normal id say

[novel ermine]

you can customizre it

[zenith jacinth]

No need to tell me that, I made it a triangle

[scarlet basalt]

that would be crazy if :
Duviri is a hint on what gameplay on tau ceti will be.
Like with orphix,murex and all, we could expect like entire planets under anti-transference technology.
Like the operator would need to disable Entire tower to regain transference against one of the tau's lord.
Ohhhh that could be an interesting way to get raid back maybe ?
One thing that could be very interesting is that you will never get a safepoint as all the sentients see you as a threat, making a jump to tau very dangerous in a way that you couldn't stay for long bcz they're constantly trying to kill you.

[novel ermine]

the Like with orphix,murex and all, we could expect like entire planets under anti-transference technology thing will not happen caus the drifter never knew the warframe being a thing untel he seas teshen

i thnko

[scarlet basalt]

i meant on Tau ceti, the home of sentients

[novel ermine]

o ok

[shrewd bone]

Damn. The lotus hittin diffrent

[wicked iron]

If I'm not mistaken, there are lines in the Archon Hunts that imply all Sentients came to the Sol system.

[graceful zodiac]

I only know they confirm all the Sentients were already in the Sol System for the New War

[obtuse gyro]

oh? All of them?

they really decided that throwing hands with Origin needed the power of family huh

[torpid lantern]

Im pretty sure we were told we were also never going to see Tau. Though at one point we were never supposed to visit open worlds with NPCs so some things can change.

[scarlet basalt]

tbh with how much pazuul/lotus talk about tau.
It feel very weird to talk about it a lot if they will never release it. Plus archons have a deep connection to Tau and sentients so it feel rather weird.
Tau's lord are also mentioned so maybe there is a big chance that this will be future hint.
For example Parvos granuum talked about the entrati which was theorized by various people on lore on who could they be.

[torpid lantern]

The difference is that going to another system was never supposed to be a focus of the game. The Tenno are defending the Origin system.
If someone remembers the devstream please let me know, but I'm almost positive DE said we wouldn't be going to a new system.
Not to mention Pazuul is extremely invested in system-wide genocide in the Origin System. He's not interested in Tau.

[obtuse gyro]

I need to check but didnt heart of deimos come out before the Sisters of Parvos and its preceding quest?

[torpid lantern]

I think it did

[scarlet basalt]

Pazuul is so angry at the solar system lol.
But if you're right, that would be pretty sad tbh.
I was thinking about "raid" on Tau system, because in definition a raid is "a rapid surprise attack on an enemy by troops, aircraft, or other armed forces." which could be something about killing Tau's lord for whatever reason.
But it would require a solar rail between tau and sol which may be impossible.
🤔

[torpid lantern]

Yes sisters came out with Tempestarii

[graceful zodiac]

Deadlock was U28, Deimos U29

[obtuse gyro]

ah so parvos returned before deimos

[torpid lantern]

Are we discussing his return or the sisters cuz that changes things

[obtuse gyro]

his return

I associated the Sisters with him

[obtuse gyro]

unless it was somehow safe to remove the only ship we know that doesnt need a rail

[scarlet basalt]

I would love seeing the zariman crashing into an entire planet.
That would make her 3rd crashing problem
Void > Duviri > Tau.

[dull vine]

Crash into the sun

[zenith jacinth]

Why would you want to piss off the rest of the sentients that are just peacefully living in tau in the first place though

[supple dagger]

Because we need to ruin tau like we did to the origin system

[orchid remnant]

To win

[scarlet basalt]

because i'm a hater
ANd my tenno's genocidal intent is starving

[zenith jacinth]

You would not survive

[sharp nexus]

Wait, isn’t that also the case with the Liset, our Raijack, and the Tempestarii?
I’m confused…

[zenith jacinth]

Liset, no, other two, sorta

[supple dagger]

Tempestarii is a railjack so

Zariman could also do ot if we somehow fix it

[zenith jacinth]

It's better if it stays where it is

[edgy sierra]

zariman is being a giant void plug

[zenith jacinth]

Ye, it's not broken, it's just currently working as the system's largest void plug

[cyan crest]

The liset specifically needs rails, you know, Junctions represent that
Well not only the liset tbh, the whole orbiter

[edgy sierra]

*all ships bar RJs and the Zariman

[cyan crest]

Yeah all ships without the funny finger

[random pulsar]

I hope if we are gonna be fighting sentients with anti transference tech umbra will be actually included

Like maybe you directly play as umbra or he joins the fight with operator/drifter

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh that would be funny if they still got a link between the two solar system and sent info.
In which I would expect it tbh

[random pulsar]

Wait what

but he is alive isn't he

Like conscious

Or is it gameplay only?

oh then there might be a possibility umbra will be in

[cyan crest]

Orphixes don't disable transference, they disable the warframe itself

Which is seen when you can literally still use transference into a necramech

[edgy sierra]

ye

[cyan crest]

The thing that's disabled is the warframe's systems

[edgy sierra]

its like a better nullie field

[cyan crest]

A more annoying one lol

[random pulsar]

What happens if they use Both at the same time

Drifter with arch gun