spoiler-chat

[balmy badger]

Hopefully that gets fixed in Echoes of Veilbreaker... cause I've got a newbie friend who's slowly approaching that later story content.

[torpid lantern]

It crashed my game

Fortunately it's the buggiest quest I've found so if they get through it, they should be good

[pseudo sable]

that specific quest has been buggy for years, but the bugs are always changing lol

[steep delta]

Sounds like it

[balmy badger]

I feel very lucky, always playing quests day-1 without any game-breaking bugs.

[steady gate]

Same…

[zenith jacinth]

[fleet veldt]

Only bug I currently recall quest-wise as of late was New War's Unum Tower segment, Umbra's anims malfunctioned.

[pure saddle]

MR 4 protea prime fight is hell...

[supple dagger]

Protea prime???

[swift pond]

I just noticed the word 'prime' when 345 pointed it out, what

[supple dagger]

I was confused

[cyan crest]

They probably mean protea specter

[supple dagger]

hm

[chilly bison]

👀

[fleet veldt]

Very likely, Protea Prime would be way too early developmentally - unless they want to muck up the Prime orders again/further by bringing two Primes out for December simultaneously.

Personally I'm still slightly inconvenienced by the clipping on Rev P's skirt thing and the lack of hip/shoulder plating that is normally present on base Revenant. Makes me feel like his Prime is somehow 'less'.

On much the same page I still miss Tatsu's non-Prime appearance and the Solstice skin doesn't really fix the matter.

[supple dagger]

Bruh what?

[austere cypress]

It's been a long time to hear you and see you, sissy!

[supple dagger]

😐

[obtuse walrus]

i recently saw mine sitting on the ground next to helminth door, didnt know that was a spot

[steep delta]

Hey kiddo

Rap tap tap

Why exactly is it Rap Tap Tap anyway

[cyan crest]

You know how the man in the wall is tapping on a glass in the new war? He probably interacted with Rell the same way

[thick jolt]

He also taps the reliquary drive glass

With the disembodied finger inside it

[hot osprey]

I have never noticed this before on my ship. There appears to be some mass of energy in the kneeling spot? Does anyone know what this is?

[graceful zodiac]

Just a visual bug

[hot osprey]

Aww. Here I was hoping it was something interesting :p

[zenith jacinth]

Everyone is

[jagged sable]

Probably still reading too deep into this but has it ever been outright confirmed if it was a visual bug?

[zenith jacinth]

Most likely option

[torpid lantern]

On the contrary I don't believe it's a bug

[remote cipher]

i think it just signifies that you can sit there

[torpid lantern]

It doesn't resemble the apostasy orb (since i just completed that and checked) meaning it's something completely new. Not to mention DE hasn't addressed it despite the many posts on Twitter and reddit

[torpid lantern]

That could be it, certainly

[remote cipher]

prime order i think now is uh
baruuk
hildryn
wisp
gauss
grendel

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/497294084348575754/1023357497056174130/unknown.png from this pic

[fleet veldt]

Yes.

[remote cipher]

hildryn and wisp one after eachother, DE secretly conspiring to destroy my wallet absolutely

haven't bought prime access yet but god hildryn and wisp are like two of my favourite frames

i may crack

[fleet veldt]

Personally I'd really wish DE give Rev P's visuals a second pass, especially for the collar, shoulderpads not being part of the body like his non-Prime, and his thigh armour not bending at all.

As for Prime Access, I bought Chroma P's because his was particularly cool along with a few others' accessories specifically. Wiser to save and decide of you like the whole set enough - or save plat to trade for the sets later or a mix of things.

[supple dagger]

Gauss Prime Hype

[fleet veldt]

But yeah. Rev P's shoulder/thigh stuff needs a second look. He deserves more armour - and armour that can flex with him.

[remote cipher]

still need to get regular gauss but he only drops from disruption

and i do not like disruption

[supple dagger]

Lol ever since I got all his parts, I’ve been a Gauss main ever since

He’s such a cool Warframe and is one of the best IMO

[supple dagger]

Is this the mid/end of Warframe or are we just getting started.

[steady gate]

We don’t know

[thick jolt]

tho i dont see why it would be the end

[steady gate]

It took us years to get to our character creation screen, I don’t see it ending soon

[supple dagger]

It’s took 8 years to finish the tutorial

[supple dagger]

It’s so exciting tho how after Duviri Paradox, we have no idea what comes next

Like DE could do so many things that we might not even see coming

[past kiln]

anyone else have a feeling that ballas is going to come back in some way? he feels too important to just die like that

[zenith jacinth]

What

[desert lintel]

We unlocked adult character

[swift pond]

Hildryn Prime in Spring 2023 👀

That would be a fantastic start to the year

It'll also be the last Warframe to be Primed that was there when I first joined. Gonna be a biggun.

[arctic night]

Hi

[vivid adder]

Farm plat and buy him. I am not fond of disruption either and i think he's totally worth buying with

Gauss and Harrow are the only frames where i gave in and used plat and I do not regret it one bit

[zenith jacinth]

Ash

Before he was made slightly easier to get

[swift pond]

Weren't there to get him from Grineer Maniacs huh?

[zenith jacinth]

Already was in rj defense when I started playing

[vivid adder]

Didnt even bother with that lads base version

Just farmed his prime when the first resurgence happened

[zenith jacinth]

The first resurgence killed my motivation to play to this day

[orchid remnant]

It’s a Duviri paradox spoiler

We’re gonna get old man darvo and simaris as well

[zenith jacinth]

Imagine if simaris was just his human version without any idea what he does in our reality

"Why do people keep asking me about "synthesis targets" and "sanctuary onslaughts"?"

[wild wind]

I would actually love that

[zenith jacinth]

"Why does everyone seem so happy about "finally having personal space" when they walk past me? I don't even know any of them!"

[wild wind]

I was just thinking though, he'd probably still do the creepy closeups, but he'd have to talk about the work he's ultra passionate about

[swift pond]

I imagine him running up to and leaning towards your face

[zenith jacinth]

That's even better

He stands on a movable platform and still looks at everyone from above

[frail nymph]

What did Teshin mean when he told Drifter, "you know how this works, why would today be the first time?"

[wicked iron]

I am pretty sure that was our Teshin, but displaced in time, and after having some future interaction (from our perspective) with the Drifter after they can already control Warframes. We'll find out when Duviri is out for sure, though. 😄

[supple dagger]

Duviri makes me lose brain cells tbh

[graceful zodiac]

It's not the first time Drifter had tried to escape/picked up Lotus's hand

[rain otter]

Or just the Drifter should know the day Repeats.

[zenith jacinth]

They seem to do iirc, but this is the first time the loop changes

[mossy slate]

Ohh so that thing the drifter used to blast the pillars was the lotus' hand?

[rain otter]

Yeah? You seem him pick it up

[mossy slate]

I didnt really register it was a hand

Didnt have my glasses on during the stream so i's a blind duck at the time

[peak minnow]

What if I leave at this point @supple dagger

So I'll have to do the whole mission again!?

Heck 1 hr 30 mins wasted

Have to get ready for surgery lol
Can't continue

What if I leave my laptop on standby?
Will it reset even then?

@supple dagger It says this
Guide me lol

Not like I have any option though

guess I'll have to do the 1 hr 30 mins pain again

Well I closed the game

Had to

Have to get ready for a surgery

[red beacon]

can I customize the operator 2 times

like after accidently pressing o and not even adding anything

[craggy solstice]

Two times? You can always customize the operator, your changes are not set in stone.

[red beacon]

tysm my heart fell for a while

[cyan crest]

Narrative-driven room? In Lua?

Mmmmm
Lotus room mayhaps?

[wraith sigil]

Interesting

[heavy pollen]

There’s a lot of cool things

[heavy pollen]

Bruh they are dropping so many spoilers on twitch

[livid ledge]

Wait is this real?

Cross play with all Platforms?

[fleet veldt]

More tests upcoming, basically.

[balmy badger]

Operator/Drifter armor/syandana hype!

Coming in Echoes of Veilbreaker, wasn't in the key panel but got dropped at the end of the stream.

[zenith jacinth]

That's been guaranteed since the last dev stream

Sad that duviri had to be moved

[balmy badger]

I'm fine with delays if that means the end product is more polished.

[zenith jacinth]

True

Still sad tho

[balmy badger]

I heard it get mentioned last dev stream, but missed them saying it would be in Echoes of Veilbreaker...

Not helped by the fact they didn't mention it this stream until the end.

[fleet veldt]

Earliest Duviri seems to be is Jan/Feb '23, and am intrigued that DE's pushing for cross-play first.

[steep delta]

Rap Tap Tap

Why is that a thing

[thick jolt]

Well man in the wall likes to tap on stuff
And rell was stuck hearing that for who knows how long

[steep delta]

OK then

[thick jolt]

You can even hear his disembodied finger tap on the reliquary drive in a railjack

[steep delta]

Wait what now

[thick jolt]

The reliquary drive consists of a supposedly cloned finger of the man in the wall
And it taps on the drives glass from the inside

[nocturne kiln]

Im so happy to bust out my dark sector skin again for these. time to bring back the pistol and glaive combo

[slim anvil]

commit driveby shooting with the protokol tekna pistol skin 🗿

[nocturne kiln]

Thinking ill put the Spectre on my Mara detron

[nocturne kiln]

I think i'd prefer the Vekesk for that. higher rate of fire

[slim anvil]

but it's not the funny glock

[nocturne kiln]

You seem to misunderstand the point of drivebys then

[slim anvil]

the point is clearly comedic effect and therefore glock stays winning

[nocturne kiln]

I think the 95 would be more comedic then

[slim anvil]

that is true

does it really count as a driveby if you do it from horseback

[nocturne kiln]

It'd be like using the gun from MiB

[slim anvil]

[nocturne kiln]

it does if you have a buggy

break out the k drive

[slim anvil]

im now imagining an 1880s sheriff doing a driveby from horseback buggy
he is hitting absolutely none of his targets but he is brimming with confidence and that's all that counts

[zenith jacinth]

Wait what I want those

[swift pond]

That is incredibly funny, but real talk
Why?

I understand the reference, but it almost feels like a bootleg or fan mod tbh

[obtuse gyro]

because og darksector fans having been requesting them for a long time apparently

[obtuse gyro]

either theyre on the market or earnable in Lua's Prey

cant remember which one the devstream said it was

[zenith jacinth]

[cyan crest]

I think they said Nightwave

[zenith jacinth]

[fleet veldt]

Would love it if DE made it possible for Tenno to use some sidearms and melees so Op/Dr could go Hayden Tenno and run about with, say, Vasto/Lex/Magnus P and Glaive P for the Dark Sector feels, or go with an Amp+Orvius combo so you can lock enemies down, and have Nataruk as the primary-slot weapon.

[zenith jacinth]

Use excal proto skin

[desert lintel]

volt proto skin

[fleet veldt]

My stand-in is Umbra + Tigris + Aksomati (Primes), with Skiajati (for stealthy finishers) and Mausolon (cue the DOOM music).

[past kiln]

yareli driveby build

[steep delta]

Is there a Narmer Domestik Drone available in the market atm

[zenith jacinth]

Don't think that exists?

[scarlet basalt]

The sniper fight with the new boss sound so funny... Like, what is going on in this game 😭 ?

[zenith jacinth]

Metal kahl solid

[velvet wing]

Oh it exists

[dull vine]

Narmer Roomba

[zenith jacinth]

Regular roomba with narmer glyph above it

[swift pond]

Warframe players preparing to spend 42,000p worth of real money on a Rhoomba with a funny symbol on it

[velvet wing]

May I introduce you to Grate Prime

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Grate_Prime

[swift pond]

Only one player managed to snag one, huh? I'd kill to know if they uploaded any footage.

[jagged dagger]

Hey guys, i think my luck is on point today, in the same mission i got, 1 ayatan valana scupture, the grustrag three, and 2 voidplums next to each other

and didn't even finish the mission

Paralax Avionics blueprint

[desert lintel]

Maybe tommorow

[zenith jacinth]

Avionics seem to be the most common part, I have 3

[jagged dagger]

ah

didn't get any since i have zariman unlocked

Got all of this at the end

didn't even know you could get oxium in containers

[zenith jacinth]

Was it during corpus phase?

[jagged dagger]

no grineer

it was right now

In mariana i got 11 oxium, from where idk, didn't kill any osprey

i really wonder what is happening

[north trail]

There's no footage

It was a joke

Didn't do anything

Honestly i still want the helminth cyst customization from this year's april fools

Legitimately useful for nidus fashion

[zenith jacinth]

Oxium has a tiny chance to be dropped from containers iirc

[jagged dagger]

wow

so two times in a row, i'm lucky

gonna go fight mutalist alad V maybe this time i'll get the main blueprint

[zenith jacinth]

Uh...

You get the main bp from the patient zero quest

@jagged dagger

[jagged dagger]

what

i didn't get it

will i get it if i replay the quest ?

[zenith jacinth]

No

And if you don't have it then you probably sold it

More can be bought from simaris

[jagged dagger]

i never sold any blueprint yet

only weapons and warframes

[zenith jacinth]

Well, you either sold it or used it

[jagged dagger]

damn

i'll go pay a visit to simaris

simaris doesn't have it either

[torpid anvil]

@zealous kiln hi

[zenith jacinth]

Then you've never completed the quest

[zenith jacinth]

I advise against pinging staff

[jagged dagger]

i'll try something that always works in the book

market blueprint

hehe, got it

[zenith jacinth]

Wh

That is... unusual

[jagged dagger]

well bugs are bugs

[zenith jacinth]

This was about mesa, yes?

[jagged dagger]

but yeah, could have had mesa like one month ago

yep

[zenith jacinth]

Quest reward bps usually can't be bought in the market

[thick jolt]

Think the blueprint patient zero gives is the boss key

[jagged dagger]

yeah

[zenith jacinth]

Oh yeah

[jagged dagger]

warframe wiki says that for me

and wiki just says main bp is from the market

[zenith jacinth]

That makes another thing unusual: the fact that the quest to unlock a boss that drops frame parts doesn't have the main bp of said frame as a reward

[jagged dagger]

well it already had the key so...

but maybe it used to, idk when did you started playing warframe but maybe when you played it it was the reward

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[peak minnow]

I was watching the Duviri Paradox trailer and noticed how it is set in between every New War Event, aahh so damn epic lol

[zenith jacinth]

Nah, quest rewards don't change

[jagged dagger]

well i'll go get my 3 Mastery Point left to lvl up

have a nice evening/day/night and thanks Scraphunter for all the info

[scarlet basalt]

what if on Tau there are more "archon" which aren't dead one that are grafted on a warframe.
Like a monkey archon

[swift pond]

Oh lord, there are Wukong mains in Tau too?

[jagged dagger]

xD

[fleet veldt]

I like the idea of Tau-Native Archons being literal Sentient animal/being emulations, ranging from a Kaithlyst (literally the Duviri horse but Sentient - the person who designed Garuda P mocked up a 3D model of it so why not introduce it as a boss) to literal Sentient interpretations of dinos (not the bird-types we're realising them as but as the giant bipedal lizards, including dragons) and even fantasy creatures where they thought their synthetic ecosystem would fit them.

And all the way up you'd have a whole ecosystem chain of Sentients on their primary world, with the more familiar humanoid fighter-drones tending farms and acting as sentries against the 'wildlife', with 'civilized' Sentients having a majestic but much more relaxing interpretation of the Orokin empire - complete with the Narmer style we're familiar with, except the meaning of it is very different.

Furthermore, a fun twist to the fate of anyone (ranging from Grineer survivors to Tenno whose warframes were stuck there) who did make it to Tau in the near-end of the Old War, would be that their distant descendants are settled among the Sentient locals, who'd less resemble familiar humans and be more fantasy-oriented.

Think elves and orcs - but if you cut them open you'd see they're 100% Sentient. That's the kind of deal.

Except the animal-type Sentients synthetic meat, plants, et-cetera, are edible under expected preparation conditions and are nightmarishly 'same' as how you'd expect say, bacon, or fish, or beef, or bread and so on, to be.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were Sentient village characters who'd offer stereotypically scripted quests - like fetching a missing tool or escorting the sheriff (who'd be very very similar to the Duviri synthetic Dax) around to see how things are doing.

Of course, the village could be akin to Cetus, with a Sentient spaceport structure reminiscent of the Unum tower, except colour-inverted (black with metallic pink and white stripes and orange/red lights).

It'd be a parody of a starter village, the entire world handled by the Sentient at large.

Tenno would be forced to not use their full-out Void powers as a sort of 'we do not like extinction' agreement between them, Lotus/Natah/Gulis and the Lords of Tau (if they're still around).

They'd end up discovering a whole world, complete with cultures and civilizations imagined by the Sentient.

The rest of the system would be variations of 'incomplete' versions of this theme, with the Sentient asking for help on how to progress with scenarios it hadn't finished imagining yet.

Something along the lines of The Matrix + Neverending Story + game about making games + a kitbash of stereotyped fantasy tropes.

[scarlet basalt]

even fantasy creatures
Sound so good, to fight literals dragons because sentient said so 😭
But i kinda would love this kind of gameplay, tho it could make a big difference in gameplay.
You know from scarlet spear, sentients have developed some kind of technology that stop transference. Which would be interesting to see how sentient made their own system based on how wary they would be against the tenno who were strong enough to repel them.
So it mean that there would be large tower of "anti-transference" like a gigantic Unum sized tower that stop transference.
There could also be a twist, what if sentient are trying to supress traces of void, by literally fighting it. It could be like : thrax vs sentient.

[fleet veldt]

That'd be something the Sentient would literally ask us to help with if we get there - it's first question would be this:
"Is [Sentient Name] alive? Yes? No?"
And you answer 'yes' to all of them. It pauses. Then replies:
"Good, we can trust you. We need help with this 'Dominus Thrax' invasion force."

[scarlet basalt]

"fighting the void with the void"...
Well sentients may not know what we're doing inside the zariman, because somehow we're capable to kill voidthing with the void 🤔
They don't know we can fight the void maybe ?

[fleet veldt]

They won't know how, but they'd have an idea based on our use of Warframes and Old War telemetry. Plus they could call up Lotus out of the blue and reboot the massive highway between Sol and Tau as a sort of wakeup call.

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh if there are more enigmatic dragons/worms like Lodun that would regularly try to attack the entire tau system... This could be very interesting 👀

[fleet veldt]

I'd imagine Dominus Thrax's forces would be also fighting Corrupted who've set up borders and hijacked the Orowyrms.

[scarlet basalt]

Vor return
He will never die
This kinda make sense if he is smilar to the holdfasts but i kinda doubt

[fleet veldt]

Corrupted Vor would definitely be there, fighting Void Angels and explaining how he does it, only to see us do it like we do on 10-0. I mean, he is an undying energy being tied to the Void Towers via his Key, protected by the Neural Sentry against Angelicism.

[scarlet basalt]

The corrupted are very tame weirdly.
I don't know how they work but don't they have some kind of 1 consciouness for all ?

[fleet veldt]

They're like a proto-Narmer. Orokin imperial security measure tied to Neural Sentries which are basically... whatever's directing Narmer besides the Archons.

[zenith jacinth]

Too much text

[scarlet basalt]

I would love to see more enigmatic entities like Lodun.
This sound weird but... Well it's warframe they can literally do whatever and it work lol.
Also corpus should get giant mecha to fight us and thumper tbh

[fleet veldt]

Corpus deserve to have huge, western-style cyberdragons or even full-out Gundams that resemble Warframes.

[scarlet basalt]

Corpus railjack but good :
mecha in space with blade that are fighting the railjack

[fleet veldt]

Would like Corpus missions that aren't about their Cap ship as well, or Grineer versions.

That said, Archwing deserves Railjack content and vice-versa. More enemies populating the space battlezone with the boarding mission being a split-away from current squad, with the option to reconvene with squad via op-link interaction?

Example: at end of normal Corpus space exterminate, drop an Op-Link, it offers Railjack interactions like join session etc. Upon squad interaction the mission ends, they get a Railjack pickup cinematic and then skip to the Railjack Void corridor and into the next mission.

[scarlet basalt]

But the infested are still at bay.
Deimos with their gigantic worm who are showing how strong they can be... Yet arlo and previous devstream doesn't talk a lot about them. Even tho they surely have the oldest knowledge that may have been forgotten of orokins/tau/etc...
It sound weird but infested have a lot of ways to be interesting. I hope they will one day deserve a major quest update that will show us what kind of threat this is to the system 👀

[fleet veldt]

I would love to see Narmer, Corrupted, and Void-related phenomena battling the Infested and eachother, each with different agendas - so you'd have unexpected hybrid factions comprising mixes of each group popping up in the mission.

For example, Narmer and the Corrupted and the Infested are fighting off Void Angels and Thrax invasion parties to ill avail, and Infested are trying to eat Narmer units but get poisoned by Sentient blood, and Corrupted are masking up viable Infested.

It'd be a very messy situation, and we're not invited to it.
So we kill everything and they thank us for it.

[zenith jacinth]

Oh gods even more text

[scarlet basalt]

So you mean an entire war that we could watch... This sound even more interesting, but A.I wise this sound messy... Which is even better

[fleet veldt]

A messy fight we get to drop in on and kill everything indiscriminately, only for Corrupted Vor to mail us an Argon Crystal as thanks (as the Corrupted in this one case are the only ones being friendlies), or Pazuul to complain about us killing Narmer when the others are a bigger problem (to him).

[scarlet basalt]

Arlo telling us : Dude, we're at your side, why did you do that 🤨 ?

this is so weird that there is no attack on the relay from the infested. Like a golem that is much bigger than Jordas

[zenith jacinth]

The infested aren't smart enough for that

[scarlet basalt]

They aren't smart,but they're learning it seems ?

[fleet veldt]

I think the Infested simply know that throwing any signs of unified effort at us would put them all at risk of immediate extinction.

Only reason the Jordas Golems felt so tough is that they're designed to intimidate, but functionally aren't as practical as the Infested hivemind may've desired.

That or Helminth convinced it otherwise?

[short adder]

spider yeet itself of the map now i guess i have to restart

[fleet veldt]

Check around for it or bombard the area with cutting beams. The beam has a good AOE and should be able to hit it, no matter where it is.

[scarlet basalt]

Yep,they're trying to be vicious now.
We've seen with Arlo and their successful attempt to make a cult. SMilar to the Unitologist in Dead space or being a disease, this could be a very strong thing.
I would love to see how vicious they're trying to be, a sort of disease that hide itself until everything is contaminated.
to see Red veil/new Loka being furious against the infested and what they've done, making more research to find who could be infested.

[scarlet basalt]

The hivemind may not think very brightly but may conduct more and more research on how to spread and fight tbh.
Jordas seems to be one of a test, maybe the next golem will be faster,stronger and has railgun attached to it lol ?

[fleet veldt]

Other thing is, Infested have a lot of religious aspects - the Zealoids of Arlo's Flame for example is an Infested cult that, if the Triuna were to negotiate with them, could even be a weirdly friendly faction.

Maybe have some quests that revolve around how Warframes and Infested interact directly, maybe at a push something about Nidus?

[scarlet basalt]

This sound terrifying but what would happends if the infested somehow found their way into Pluto's megacity.
Like... This sound really like a dead space episode 😭 + DE have the literal technologies to do that.

[fleet veldt]

I was thinking something more like a Genestealer cult in a hive city, 40k style. You work with Corpus police and bring a Necramech to literally purge Infested Mutalist gangs (Corpus goons with Mutalist guns) and shutdown Mutalist factories hidden in the damp, dreary underbelly of the supercityscape.

Maybe something on the theming of Futurecop: LAPD (police mecha shooter).

[scarlet basalt]

Infested do have religious aspect,but talking to the triuna would be a waste of time for them, because they just want to make everything as one.
With the quest "The sacrifice" we know that warframe aren't dead body. What if DE explore this path and we could "talk" to our warframe 😮

[orchid remnant]

Corpus police would be pretty cool-looking, but it would be cool if like the corpus police were "normal" and when there was a serious problem they called down a Condor of crewmen and MOAs to show us how strong the enemies we face normally are

[fleet veldt]

Or have missions where the 'kind' of frame we use could be limited, like either Umbra or Nidus - and our task would be to 'convince' the Infestation that our Helminth or the Entrati fam have the best ideas and should be contacted first before they try to do anything.

[fleet veldt]

And showcase how Mutalist Infestation infests people live, a la Flood in Halo 3.

[scarlet basalt]

Oh yeah, i would think that the Entrati would help us, asking us to transport Necramech unit that they've made to annihilate the infested.
So as we see with deimos (who is literally messed up and there's no way to return) they're trying their best to limit this kind of infested planets.
Because since there's one planet like that, that can throw laser and Flameball ... 2 would be worse for the system

[fleet veldt]

Deimos itself and Eris are both Infested celestial bodies. Of course the Entrati would want every opportunity to deploy Infestation nullifier tech wherever they can, selling it to as many people - even Narmer - so they have max range.

Drawback is, these nullifiers also prevent Warframes from healing normally and require a substitute healing method to classic healing orbs or healing abilities. Full on medkits or heal pads. With the most intense areas making it unreliable to go in with a frame - instead to bring a Necramech or Umbra, as the Infestation jammers don't seem to work on him in the same way they do on other frames.

As in, the more intense the nullifying field, the more likely the frame even starts suffering bleed procs.

These jammers would be guarded by friendly Necramechs and the occasional Grineer/Corpus rabble.

[scarlet basalt]

Cascade bomb

[fleet veldt]

Cascade bombs are Void-related explosives. Plus the Corpus probably can't evac everyone fast enough, so they can't afford to just drop an expensive Old War tech weapon just to wipe out a small Infestation pocket they've got in containment.

Too many Void-splosives and we might have Angels appearing.

[orchid remnant]

Man we really only used a cascade bomb once didn't we

[scarlet basalt]

yep only one

[fleet veldt]

In lore I only know two cases. Gara VS The Plains Sentient, and the one we used to clean out the Infested once.

It's probably a very expensive weapon to deploy.

[scarlet basalt]

and you need to evacuate to use a cascade bomb because it will literally melt everything that is meat related it seems

[fleet veldt]

Anything not bolted or shielded against the Void to enough of a degree would be in the Void.
To that end the Plains Sentient being trapped in a limbo state and it's body being in halves with it trying to claw out of that limbo/Void plane but getting no wi-fi on its conjured forms (no connection, no 'whole', as it's literally gone)...

[orchid remnant]

Oh was Gara's a cascade bomb? Interesting

makes sense though, seeing as it was a sentient she was fighting

[fleet veldt]

It sounds like a Cascade bomb as it is a Void-based weapon that nuked the Sentient. Was the only thing it was vulnerable to.

[scarlet basalt]

oh wow,people are really talented to make Fanconcept of infested enemies.
They're very cool and in gameplay it would be very good to see difficulty from them...
Bcz rn, deimos is just small projectiles dodging like a touhou game 😭

[zenith jacinth]

Some think it was filled with temple kuva which is... stupid.

[fleet veldt]

That wouldn't make sense when that Sentient wants ALL the Temple Kuva because it wants to... uh... breed. In Sentient terms, anyway.

[zenith jacinth]

Exactly

[scarlet basalt]

With how cool Zealot were on arlo's side.
With blade/gun and all , i like to imaginate that the infestation act differently under arlo's case and try to not destroy the body but supplements the body to make it stronger/tougher/faster...
Like the kind of infested are very diverse, on deimos we have tough,strong but slow infested
But on arlo's side you have faster,weaker infested but resourceful , with blade and guns.

[fleet veldt]

The Zealoids are much cluster to the Helminth Infestation strain we recognise - the one used for Warframe creation.

My opinion is that all variations of how you make a frame (by Infesting a Dax, like with Umbra, or Infesting preserved maybe cloned special braindead vessels, or even growing the whole thing from scratch) are equally valid and true, in the same way as how the Jordas Golems are literally manufactured complete with a Jordas Cephalon installed.

We may yet find a faction of Infested besides our Helminth that are actually designed to support and feed people, and even oppose other Infested Strains.

[scarlet basalt]

maybe a strain that is trying to kill something much bigger than them and ask for help, a mutation that is more pacifist but know well that they need to reproduce themselves, so they've made something weird, like a way to enhance capacity at the cost of being linked to them ?
But this sound too kind for a strain tbh.

[jagged dagger]

you got my vote at "Corpus Police"

[fleet veldt]

Yes.

[graceful zodiac]

They weren't though, cause Arlo isn't it's own side. He was never a thing, just a ploy

[scarlet basalt]

Well, then you say something way more interesting.
THis is much more interesting

[rain otter]

I mean it's a good Ploy

Cuz like They had actual Acolytes help you for part of the night wave

Or they did.*

[graceful zodiac]

Oh yeah, Arlo is a sign of the Infested getting clever

[rain otter]

Also by the End the Acolytes where like Very Much people just covered in Infested. If we ever get Infested Liches they will probably use that model.

As the like Larva.

Like how one of the Grinner Larvas is just the Wolf Escaped Convict.

[scarlet basalt]

This would be creepy as hell if they literally have a skinned warframe for the progenitor part

[fleet veldt]

Would be crazier for the frame progenitor to actually impose that Warframe's outline onto them. Like, the Infested is copying down the shape that beat it up horribly as a reference and as a way to taunt them.

[steep delta]

so what are we getting with Echoes Of Veilbreaker?

[rain otter]

Warframes are Infested so I could guess their could be a the main Infested trying to copy Helminth or got a Small Helminth Fragment and start making Infested Liches.

@steep delta the 2nd.

[steep delta]

what are we getting though

i know when

but what

[rain otter]

@steep delta https://twitter.com/PlayWarframe/status/1586764921626562561?t=26tBHYWWvppjTFoTvjzj5Q&s=19

WARFRAME (@PlayWarframe)

Coming to Echoes of Veilbreaker November 2 on all platforms:

✨ Ven’kra Tel and Sprag await you in Break Narmer Missions
✨ New Weapon Skins, Ephemeras, and Styanax Helmet
✨ New Kahl-175 Arsenal Captura button, QoL changes and more! https://t.co/KKZMj5ea4l

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It's literally in news.

[steep delta]

i saw the devstream Overview btw i just forget if we are getting the extra customization with this update or the next

when i say extra customization i mean Operator/Drifter stuff

[rain otter]

Probably next

[steep delta]

i didn't watch the actual devstream is why i am asking

[rain otter]

This has all the stuff from it.

[steep delta]

well that sucks

[fleet veldt]

Could be, could be a hotfix between then and Lua's Prey, which is standing in for December's content so DE can continue Aperture Science testing crossplay until they're able to push out Duviri.

[zenith jacinth]

Pretty sure that's in echoes

[rain otter]

They didn't say that.

It could be but they didn't say that.

[steep delta]

i'm readying my 75 relics

to get the last Apex Protovyre armor piece

[zenith jacinth]

They did in devstream 164 I think it was

[rain otter]

Anyway I just wanted to talk about how Infested Liches if we ever get them will probably have some plot point about Helmith or them trying to recreate it or stealing a piece of it.

Cuz if the overall Infested had access to helminth they would make sure horrors.

[fleet veldt]

Horrific idea: Narmer Liches could be Warframes, Veiled, with Archon Shards in their necks or something to power them up. The frame you use is the frame they pit against you.

[zenith jacinth]

Would that work? Veiling a frame?

[fleet veldt]

Good question. Narmer hasn't really tried it.

[zenith jacinth]

Not really any memories to manipulate

With... exceptions

[obtuse gyro]

N-narmer liches would be budget archons

If youre looking to hijack warframe controls

[past kiln]

wtb archon boreal nira amar speaking

i'd be so much more interested in them if they actually communicated rather than vague descriptions from natah's sentient childhood

[nocturne kiln]

They do communicate, you just dont speak sentient screeching

[dull vine]

Narmer railjack?

[fleet veldt]

We don't have Infested Railjack or Archwing missions for that matter. Still hoping DE would mix in some Railjack content into Archwing and vice-versa to add more content those-ways. Maybe even a Sigma-series-specific Arch-gear set (Archwing, Archgun, Archmelee)? Perhaps even a Sigma-series Necramech that more resembles a Javelin (Anthem)?

There's still a lot that needs doing - even with trying to bring a Railjack to Landscapes via an OpLink as an alt to going to the gate like how Fortuna showcased it as a transition right to Venus Proxima.

In fact there's no quick Corpus missions that involve a smaller Corpus ship which has a more 'realistic' interior limit (as in even a set layout for each Corpus ship class that is able to be loaded without locking Railjack content out), when the Grineer Captain assassinates allow you to still hop right back to the Railjack.

Plus, there definitely should be some freespace/Landscape-style missions where the Nav terminal offers objectives and things are spawned into the area, like a few enemy Crewships and fighters, with your mission being to shoot them down before they jump to their intended destination to stop important operations (kill present enemies within X minutes), or challenging continuous missions (like 'disable X Galleons in Y minutes' with them being spawned in one after another, failing to do so doesn't fail the mission, but forfeits bonus rewards from that objective).

[north trail]

I have a hunch that the zariman was supposed to have some degree of rj integration cos there a tile that goes out into space

[fleet veldt]

Won't be surprised if DE adds a Railjack tile that has you battling on either side of the 10-0, doing a sort of space interception where you're boarding Crewships and hijacking them and moving them into specific locations, and then having to protect those while a false all-clear is being transmitted until the enemies receive the message (which ends the round).

That and a few generic 'kill X enemies' but Railjack combat, while there's also Grineer and Corpus fighters dogfighting around the 10-0's exterior.

Though it'd probably take a year or two if it's not a secret surprise that comes with Duviri.

[bold garden]

Is the zenurik inner might passive worth investing in?

[frozen rune]

Yes

If you have high enough duration and rely on only one skill you can pull of a Lavos. A good example would be vex armor Chroma. Since it provides armor and damage maintaining it at 0 cost is really useful.

Of course that's just one example, don't worry about it though. Overtime you'll get all the perks. Just instead be sad about how few universal passives apply to frame and operator.

[bold garden]

I ask because just unlocking it says a 90 second timer. How low does it go?

And will it apply to railjack abilities too?

[sacred cargo]

I could see a scarlet spear type scenario where its like an endless/survival(ish) mission with a squads railjack out in space dogfighting grineer, corpus, sentients (leftover combatants from new war), etc but at the same time theres also another squad of tenno down in the zariman fighting to activate some old orokin "anti air cannons" that when turned on will help with killing enemies and possibly on a higher difficulty will also enable going past wave 5 or 10.

[nocturne kiln]

No Infested archwing? Jordas precept

And unlikely to see a "suit" type nercramech since they were the counterpoint to warframes. It's kind of a mech versus super soldier issue

You wants suits? Warframes

[sacred cargo]

honestly how come no ones thought of a warframe x anthem crossover? both games have stuff similar to eachother and plus even just an anthem themed skin would be nice

[rain otter]

Nobody tell um

[zenith jacinth]

No, warframes came after mechs and were just much better in pretty much every way

[zenith jacinth]

I have never heard of that other game

[obtuse gyro]

And you never will, their devs had to drop anthem before they even had the chance to no mans sky it

You can thank EA for it

[zenith jacinth]

Oh

[fleet veldt]

I seem to recall EA being more... Tsundere about Anthem - jumping between 'we might come back to it later...' and 'no, it dead, give up'. It's been that way for Titanfall as well. So many possible IPs...

[steep delta]

sounds about right

[rain otter]

I don't like to use the word Steal at all. So I won't but DEs like Void Shell things are inspired by the way materials worked in Anthem.

[steep delta]

yeah

[brave surge]

Weren't they before frames?

[real niche]

...That's what they said yes.

[brave surge]

Wait didn't read that right lol

[wild wind]

200 IQ moment
Lua was in the void
The Zariman was also in the void
The Zariman is visible from Duviri
Was Lua also visible from Duviri?

[fleet veldt]

The forced removal of Lua from the Void could be a reason why Duviri is incomplete.

[orchid remnant]

Spoiler: Duviri is in Lotus’ mind

It’s like the psy ops from season of the risen except like war frame

[fleet veldt]

It's not in Natah's mind, she's a Sentient. It'd be more logical to think that it's in Wall-Man's mind, but Wall-Man is Lohk.
Void.

[orchid remnant]

rebecca told it to me in a vision

She was dressed in gold and purple rainment, and at her side was a golden Dax

[fleet veldt]

That was just the Man in the Wall trolling you.

[orchid remnant]

Uh oh!

[fleet veldt]

Or you saw unreleased content from an adjacent timeline. It happens. You should draw it or something.

[orchid remnant]

You can never be too sure with these kind of things!

[fleet veldt]

I do wonder though, how Natah would, while (slowly turning) Eidolon, handle Duviri alongside Drifter, who's never known her in their lives before then?

Could her time in Duviri teach her something? Maybe unlock something we're unaware of at the present?

[graceful zodiac]

No, because Lua was only put into the Void at the end of the war with the Tenno

Drifter in Void means no Tenno

[floral tiger]

My guess on Duviri is that it was formed by the Terraforming/construction system that may have been activated in the void and ended up forming land(given that it’s connected to the Zariman). Potentially being also influenced by the Wally

[supple dagger]

why ballas ended up with those legs again?😆

[wild wind]

Natah shattered the bones in his legs and planted sentient prosthetics in their place as a form of punishment/torture

[supple dagger]

when? XD

he was normal after the sacrifice

[orchid remnant]

It wasn't punishment or torture though, she saved him

his legs were just useless cause we stabbed him through the gut, presumably paralyzing him somewhat

[wild wind]

Didn't Umbra just chop off his hand?

[supple dagger]

now makes sense

[orchid remnant]

Nah, we helped him stab through the stomach also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px6dngNShQU

[wild wind]

Man I haven't seen that in forever. Anyway, that looked like a kidney hit to me. To the side, not the spine.

[orchid remnant]

True, but I think it probably messed him up enough to make his legs unusable

[steep delta]

Yeah sounds about right

[graceful zodiac]

The was the initial idea, but the art team said they moved away from that thinking

[supple dagger]

damm i want to see this guy in missions or in duviri 👁️

[steady gate]

I wanna see that sentient too

Always thought that’d be upgraded Erra

[torpid lantern]

Whoa i totally forgot about that!

Also does anyone know when the next nightwave update is? I don't remember if DE said a date or just Winter

[supple dagger]

wow one piece reference in warframe 🙀

||its a meme btw||

im replaying the new war only because i can scan some stuff that im missing in the codex xd

[supple dagger]

sadly i cant scan this dude because i cant use tools and i cant use the helicor because im forced to use the paracesis

helios is dead since the start too

[supple dagger]

how did we got this guy finger

there is so much things i never understood from the lore

i got my scans im going to sleep

[steady gate]

They show up in Orphix missions in Railjack I believe

[supple dagger]

nope only in scarlet spear

[steady gate]

Huh

Oh, here’s a tip! Atlas’s Ore Gaze force scans

And you can definitely petrify the Summulysts, so that should work

[supple dagger]

no idea atlas had that ability

i want to try it but i dont want to replay the quest

[steady gate]

Ore Gaze is an Augment mod, scans and gives 25% chance for more loot

[supple dagger]

i know

just read it

didnt knew the augment had that ability*

[steady gate]

Did you scan that one Voroc weaver in the first Railjack section that dies from a heat proc? It has a custom codex entry for some reason

[supple dagger]

also maybe summulist is not affected by abiities idk

na its a vorac harpi

and its a duplicated so i just ignored it

[steady gate]

shows how much I care for that entry

[supple dagger]

if they fix codex one day they will remove so im not going to waste time

[wild wind]

Late but isn't it coming with Echoes of Veilbreaker?

[torpid lantern]

I don't remember them mentioning it in the patch notes. That's just a few days away

[torpid lantern]

Okay so no date yet. That's what I was remembering. Thank ya!

[onyx shore]

my neck hurts just from looking at it

[stone glade]

||is it just me or am I the only one that’s still a little hurt over space moms “betrayal” or? /;||

||I’ve passed the new war and the zariman and everything but I still get choked up everytime I hear the sentients.||

[brave surge]

I think it is

[balmy badger]

It is coming with Lua's Prey.

Not Echoes of Veilbreaker.

[obtuse gyro]

I mean, its very clear during the new war that a major problem for ballas was that not only did margulis choose us, so did the lotus

[languid torrent]

I can't wait for the Protokol skins. My only concern - Can we get dual Protokol skins?

[cyan wren]

What are protokol skins?

[brave surge]

Real life weapon skins

[languid torrent]

Coming with Lua's Prey, on the Nightwave track. They showed them off in the last Devstream. Basically they're skins based on guns from DarkSector.

[cyan wren]

Oh yea I saw those they look sick

[brave surge]

Yeah they do

[brave surge]

Thought it was with echoes of veilbreaker lol

[steep delta]

i'm waiting for the new Ephemeras

the shard through the chest one looks cool

[brave surge]

Yeah

Just one day

[mental mural]

Oh I'm still upset about that. Was gutted when it happened. ||I picked Natah for her at the end of the quest as a reminder that she'd already made her choice as to who she was || (and also because the design is chef's kiss)

[brave surge]

I choose margualis...

Margulis

[stone glade]

v.v

[bright hinge]

I never liked her,ordis is the best

[sly plinth]

yeah, im honestly disappointed we didn't kill her in the new war

[bright hinge]

Yes 🙌 you right 👍

[sly plinth]

then we could have grey hologram lotus instead of purple hologram lotus

[orchid remnant]

Why do you want to kill her? She is a victim of abuse and manipulation.

[wicked iron]

I don't think victims of domestic violence, abuse, and gaslighting should be executed, personally. 😛

[orchid remnant]

^

[sly plinth]

Born of the enemy race and she lied to us about it

[bright hinge]

Yea but i dont have her sound on

[sly plinth]

that's grounds for murder I would say

[bright hinge]

Oh she popped out at the left of screen meh

[velvet wing]

Sounds like a gross opinion to me

[sly plinth]

too bad, its a video game and I don't like her

[orchid remnant]

You are just weird I guess

[obtuse gyro]

extremely questionable justification I would say

[velvet wing]

It’s coming off a little…wrong

[bright hinge]

Could use the same thing for ordis but people dont like him

[sly plinth]

ok as much as I like ordis, Ordin wasn't exactly the best person in life

cool as hell but not a good person

[zenith jacinth]

Mercenary

[bright hinge]

Lotus was born to kill tenno so

[zenith jacinth]

Mercenaries can't really be made fully responsible for what they do tbh

[sly plinth]

Her whole purpose was to deceive and deceive she did. With that in mind i couldn't bring myself to believe a word out of her mouth

[zenith jacinth]

And ordan did try to kill at least one of the worst people alive during the orokin era

[zenith jacinth]

You've heard it here first folks: people can't change

[sly plinth]

heck in the world of warframe I wouldn't want to take a side either, a mercenary gets a morally grey area at least

[orchid remnant]

Which is weird; he is likable

[wicked iron]

Like anyone else, they choose to accept a job or not. They are definitely responsible for their choices and actions. XD

[bright hinge]

You really think its normal for her to act as our "mother" while she is suppose to kill us

[zenith jacinth]

Okay, another point: ordan was working for the highly manipulative, power-hungry orokin

[sly plinth]

especially when she was literally engineered to do EXACTLY that

[bright hinge]

Ordis`

[zenith jacinth]

Ordan

Ordan Karris

[sly plinth]

his name was Ordin Karris before he became a cephalon

[bright hinge]

Yea ordin

[orchid remnant]

I think she’s done a pretty good job at not killing us and being motherly enough

Maybe not the best, but given what she had to work with…

[wicked iron]

His old name was Ordan not Ordin.

[sly plinth]

oops

didn't even notice the difference

[fleet veldt]

I chose Lotus, but got the Natah skin because she honestly doesn't have to lie anymore. I would've picked Natah if I wasn't trying to uphold an absolute balance.

[wicked iron]

Any choice was the right choice. 🙂

[sly plinth]

yeah cause wasn't it actually 'her' choice?

We ask her who she is and then the option pops up

[fleet veldt]

'Cause it is her decision.

[zenith jacinth]

Natah might still not be her true true form

[sly plinth]

Her True true form is just an ordinary mimic

[steep delta]

the question is why do Sentient mimics exist

is there lore about them

[sly plinth]

Cause the sentients needed a new weapon to fight the orokin with

and they developed mimics

[steep delta]

was that explained in The Sacrifice?

[sly plinth]

Ordis mentions that they were present in the old war

[obtuse gyro]

huh, I wonder what happened after we killed the orokin

[steep delta]

i think i remember that

[sly plinth]

I don't think they were using them to try to make friends with the orokin personally

[obtuse gyro]

engineered to kill us and yet...

[steep delta]

yet...

[obtuse gyro]

but no people cant change, people are locked into the purpose they are made for, they cannot dream of what they could be only what they are

[sly plinth]

So you believe the explanation that lotus gives during the Ropalolyst fight?

when she "saw our tender faces" she couldn't bring herself to do it?

[obtuse gyro]

I dont need to take her word for it, ballas literally malded hard that both margulis and lotus chose us

[sly plinth]

I have a hard time believing that's when she chose

[obtuse gyro]

so you agree then, she chose us

[sly plinth]

It would seem its written that way

and that's the only reason i see it happening, contrivance

[obtuse gyro]

meaning, that she went beyond her programming

[sly plinth]

The "tender faces" reason is the cannon reason I guess and to me that seems like plot contrivance. This is all I'm gonna say about this

[obtuse gyro]

you think that its artificial?

that having the imprint of someone who put the M in Mother as well as the grave knowledge of being sterile would prevent a sapient sentient being from acting in favour of space orphans?

[orchid remnant]

^

[graceful zodiac]

I mean, it was for the most part. Only at the end of the war would things have changed

[hot bane]

But when she regains her Power the Form she choose was Lotus and not Natha

I mean the first thing she did was become Lotus again, when we still fought ballas

[hot bane]

Also a Point is That when we fought Ballas that while she still regaind her memory she told the Tenno to run, so she had a protective instinct while still followed mostly her Programm to destroy the Orokin (I think That was the reason she wanted to kill ballas while she was still weakend, Fell free to correct me)

[zenith jacinth]

She had her full mind back, she just wanted revenge against the guy who tried to kill her

[fleet veldt]

Exacta. Plus, as she was, she was 'complete'. Whole. Unified after we managed to Veil Ballas and she sucked out his Oro - or whatever amounts to his energy/life/soul.

[brave surge]

What happened to praghasa after the new war?

[fleet veldt]

Probably aimlessly adrift again?

[brave surge]

Who knows....

[wicked iron]

Still around, as it attached Pazuul to Erra.

[thick jolt]

She could become some juicy raid material if she becomes active again

[brave surge]

Fair enough

[stone forge]

Im sorry that was a typo

[obtuse gyro]

Nah she didnt need programming to kill ballas, shes demonstrated the ability to go beyond her programming and ngl she had every reason to kill ballas right then and there. Reasons as margulis, as natah, as lotus

[desert lintel]

"Bones of my father, fathom drowned...behold me. Carcass of my mother, flame devoured...behold me. Limbs of my children, piecemeal, unblinking...behold me."
Pazuul

[orchid horizon]

I saw one of vorunas signature weapon was a energy sniper rifle but I have zero clue what that means. Does it use your energy, is it a exaulted weapon or what

[frozen rune]

Signature weapons have a minor bonus, usually involving more ammo

[orchid horizon]

Not that part the energy sniper rifle part

Wtf is a energy sniper rifle

[frozen rune]

I'd imagine it's a sniper rifle that uses a directed energy beam...

[random pulsar]

It's a sniper rifle but energy duh

[frozen rune]

Think of it like a corpus weapon, lasers/plasma

Grineer usually use projectile based ones however even though the Grakata and such use hit-scan which is more like a laser in it being instant. (hit-scan)

We could speculate it might be a battery style sniper. But without enough info it may as well just be flavor text

[hot bane]

Yes After That she became Lotus, not natha as her first instinct

[hot bane]

Fair enough

[hot bane]

Waht is Praghasa?

Ahh thanks

During the old war?

Or when

The ship?

[river willow]

praghesa drifted into the sun off-screen

[hot bane]

That was her mother?

Well I guess hunhoe looks kinda simalar

Hunhow

Question,why did they have errands a son?

Erra

[obtuse gyro]

To make a command type sentient

[river willow]

Erra was born to rule over Tau

[obtuse gyro]

But also because they wanted kids lmao

[hot bane]

Ah ok

[hot bane]

When was that said!

[obtuse gyro]

Archon hunt dialogue

[river willow]

i believe during one of the archon hunt missions

[hot bane]

Thought so, thanks

[obtuse gyro]

Lotus talks about who erra was meant to be and how it ended up being mixed with the Ram to make whatever messed up thing pazuul is

[hot bane]

Thanks

One more why does errs look so human, I totally understand why lotus does, but why errs?

[cyan crest]

I mean
"human"

He's a stick figure with a bird head

[hot bane]

Well compared to hunhow

Head, arms ,legs

Hunhow is a space ship

[cyan crest]

So is Prags

[hot bane]

Yep

Which questions how they make kids but anyway

[cyan crest]

Then again his other children are all animals so there's probably no reason in particular

[cyan crest]

Fragmenting

[hot bane]

But it was said that they raised lotus out of one thing

In archon hunt Dialoge

[river willow]

the manifold?

[hot bane]

Yep

[river willow]

i assume they're referencing the void jump to Tau

[hot bane]

By the way i thought the void made them infertile

[cyan crest]

Yes, they didn't jump to Tau

They jumped from Tau

That jump made them infertile

[river willow]

the void does make them infertile but kuva can sort of reverse their weakness

[hot bane]

Ahhh thanks

[cyan crest]

Only temple kuva and only like 2 sentients know

They're still infertile

[hot bane]

So they aracked Temples like the unum to get the Kuva to make lotus?

I mean in the old war

Unum was the only one that survived

There were more temples like her

That were destroyed

[river willow]

The Unum is unique

[cyan crest]

No no no, lotus was born when they were still fertile

They didn't attack anything to make her

[hot bane]

But I thought she was created during the old war

[cyan crest]

She was created before th3r jump happened

[hot bane]

At that time it was still one thing

But the war steed when they came back and the Tenno were some sort of last resort?

Strated*

[river willow]

why would the sentients make Natah before the jump? didn't the sentients realise that the orokin would probably destroy Tau after they jumped?

[cyan crest]

Lotus says the orokin attacked first, and there are records of orokin attacks on Tau

[river willow]

oh really? where does she say that?

[hot bane]

Ok when is that said?

[cyan crest]

Ropalopa fight

[hot bane]

And I thought I know the lore ):

[cyan crest]

They probably didn't use tenno yet, as they were a last resort type of thing

[hot bane]

But it is said in codex entries that the Tenno where a last resort after the sentiments attacked (Mag prime codex entry)

[cyan crest]

the mag prime codex is an example of an attack on Tau

[hot bane]

Ahh I thought it was a strike back not an attack

Counter attack*

[cyan crest]

It can be a counter attack, since tenno are on use and those are on the later part of the war

[hot bane]

Alright one more question the sentiments were the second option after the Zarimin right?

[cyan crest]

Still, Natah was born as a spy her role as Tenno mom can have been thought of later, when they were introduced

[hot bane]

Yes

[cyan crest]

Yep

So they thought making adapting robots that could survive the trip was the best option

They were right until they weren't lol

[hot bane]

But why is it in codex that zarimin was a military ship in and the colonial part was a secret

I think ember prime entry

[cyan crest]

It was a cover up

[hot bane]

I know, but there probably where massive recruitment messegaes to colonies

As people we’re excited about the 10-0

[cyan crest]

I wouldn't say massive, they probably only messaged the chosen families

And the number seems to only be 5-6 digits long

[hot bane]

Or something like that they just dumped a colony on the ship

[river willow]

from what i remember with the ARG the orokin tried keeping the Zariman 10-0 thing a secret

[hot bane]

Without a choice

[cyan crest]

Thing is, it wasn't a military ship, Cavalero and his ceremonial weapons make that clear

[hot bane]

Exactly

It was a colny ship

I like how spoiler chat turned into lore discussion

[cyan crest]

It does often

[hot bane]

I know

[river willow]

i've got a question:
so the ARG (from what i remember) says that people started going insane leading up to the jump to Tau. so then did the final void jump to Tau just trigger madness in all the adults who weren't insane already? because in the new wars zariman cutscenes everything seems pretty calm up until the void jump contrary to the ARGs little messages

[cyan crest]

They weren't going insane before the jump, they were rioting because of the conditions the orokin were putting them through

They only started going mad when the Zariman became trapped in the void

For example, Hombask sabotaged the biomes as a protest

[river willow]

i recall a message talking about someone going crazy and trying to stab someone. i assume this would be after they were adrift in the void?

[orchid horizon]

tenet agendus (hammer and board) or tenet exec (heavy blade with shockwaves) both are toxic but i can make a 60% with the exec

[cyan crest]

Yeah

[river willow]

wrong chat mate

[cyan crest]

I think that'd be in #gameplay-discussion or #players-helping-players

[orchid horizon]

well I thought it would be here cause it's sisters of parvos stuff

[hot bane]

It’s not really a spoiler

[cyan crest]

It's not really spoilery, it's duviri stuff and the like that usually goes here

[river willow]

nah that kinda stuff isn't really spoiler worthy

[orchid horizon]

ic

[cyan crest]

Also gameplay discussion usually deals in spoiler items anyway afaik

[hot bane]

Spoiler are lua, Kuva fortress zarimin drifter operated etc

[cyan crest]

Even then this channel is usually for post veil breaker thingies, the other stuff is fair game in Lore discussion

Mainly unreleased and recently released stuff

[obtuse gyro]

Rell identifies wally as the cause of madness

[scarlet basalt]

Will there be a long quest that will focus on the infestation, i hope so.
It could be related to the entrati and the understanding of the void, like when gomaitru said that we only have 1 eye open, maybe the infested will guide us through the hellish monster that they could do ?
For the moment we don't have major quest concerning the infestation,either it's more about the void or it's tiny quest. Tho they could have some big importance in the game, but for now it's only told but rarely done.

[swift pond]

I think that one eye open comment was to account for people who hadn't unlocked Operator (and thus couldn't open the Iso Vaults). Not sure why she still says it when you do though...

[rain otter]

I would guess a Deadlock Protocol Style Update for the Infested.

[scarlet basalt]

Wait for real ? I thought that she would say that after you unlocked the vault, but otherwise wouldn't say anything

[balmy storm]

Why did they change the ui for customizing operator/drifter? It was fine before

[fleet veldt]

I don't remember any changes. If there are, it's probably in preparation for the 'frame armour pieces coming to them.

[swift pond]

Drifters UI definitely got changed - it was to accommodate the new attachment and sayandanas segments without cluttering the existing screen (which was already a bit of a mess).

[fleet veldt]

Yeah, the armour attachments are in - it's a decluttering action.

[balmy storm]

I can understand moving syandanas and armor to their own menu but everything else? Even the face stuff? It feels less like decluttering and more like shoving everything into menus

They also “forgot” a copy suit colors button for attachments and syandanas

[swift pond]

Yep

[balmy storm]

I think they should revert it back, keep the armor and syandanas in their own tab and add the copy button

[wild wind]

Eh they'll figure it out

[balmy storm]

At least revert it back for the face cause that was perfectly fine before

[wild wind]

Just ask whoever's streaming next prime time to do some drifter customizations

[balmy storm]

Wym

[wild wind]

If the in-house streamers run into issues the company'll be much more likely to see it as a problem

[heavy pollen]

I don’t really care about spoilers at this point but I haven’t went home yet from work so yea I’m here

[balmy storm]

Aside from the missing copy button I kinda doubt they’ll see the issue if they didn’t before

[wild wind]

You'd be surprised

[balmy storm]

Shoving every little thing into it’s own menu feels like it should be the simplest thing not to do but
They did it so idk

[wild wind]

Actually I suspect a lot of UI elements might be up for changing in the near future, to prep for the mobile version of the game

[balmy storm]

I hope shoving things into more menus isn’t a mobile inclusive choice

[amber terrace]

So I fought the Sprag secret, is there the other sister in the same mission?

[balmy storm]

No, she’s in another mission

Do you get anything for fighting her?

[fleet veldt]

You get a challenge to liberate them, I'd assume.

[wild wind]

yup

[torpid lantern]

I didn't get anything this time so I don't think it gives a reward

[balmy storm]

Do you get extra stock or is it just a random bossifght

[torpid lantern]

random! Maybe they'll add a challenge for her later. I was just hoping she'd help me fight

[fleet veldt]

They have too much pride to willingly help Kahl. Or they're Tsundere.

That said I wish we could arm Kahl with our arsenal for Captura and in a customization menu for himself so whenever we deploy him, he brings the guns we gave him.

[balmy badger]

They said during the dev stream that fighting them could be a potential randomly picked stock challenge for that week.

[hearty marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjqTJvbRptg

Dis is nice.

[hollow storm]

😩

Best update, hands down

I MEAN LOOK AT HOW HE WEARS THAT CAPE LIKE A MAN.

I mean you still have to use it for missions n' stuff

[balmy storm]

I wish they added armor and syandanas for the operator too

[hollow storm]

This is their first step for doing so

[random pulsar]

Fashion is the only thing that matters so no

[wild wind]

Reminds me of Endless Legend a lot

[dry magnet]

I whose really hoping for that. But something’s tells me that we will get them in duviri open world. Maybe as something we can buy or craft or something like that

[balmy storm]

Why would they lock it behind something to buy or craft when we already have it for free with Drifter-

[brave surge]

It wouldn't be

[dry magnet]

In every major update we have some new weapons and new cosmetic’s. Maybe they can create new armor on that update to fit more in to drifter style and that Paradox universe…

[brave surge]

Well operator suits are going on drifter soon

[cyan crest]

it's not a universe it's a region of the void

[brave surge]

Yeah

You go to it through the zariman in our would probably because of that door in the dormizone

[cyan crest]

It could be a vendor zone for Twoshin and not like directly an entrance to Duviri
I think

[brave surge]

I mean both the zarimans are behind one another

[north trail]

So he sets up a store in our home?

[cyan crest]

Wouldn't be the first time a Teshin has broken into something of our property uninvited

[rain otter]

Not true

Cuz DE Said we will be able to do it like I think after the War Within. @brave surge

[obtuse gyro]

Thing is, Duviri looks like it starts from Drifter's POV, but also we do seem to have some entryway on Lua

[north trail]

Requirement is definitely the lua nodes

[brave surge]

Hmmmmm

Fair enough

[brave surge]

I swear they said duviri is before the new war?

[obtuse gyro]

Before and after

They were very explicit that a part of the paradox was that you should be starting it after new war, but yet can start before

[brave surge]

Oh

[fleet veldt]

Given Kahl's armour... would be nice if Tenno and Warframes could wear such armour and accessories.

[rain otter]

It's a PARADOX WHOMP WHOMP

[wicked iron]

It can be done either before or after The New War.

[meager berry]

i need the wolf

voruna

[swift pond]

Wait till Crimbo

[zenith jacinth]

Next update

[balmy storm]

When do we first get access to Lua?

[edgy sierra]

second dream

iirc

[balmy storm]

So maybe we’ll be able to engage in Duviri after that

[edgy sierra]

i dunno where in the story voruna's quest will be

[fallow spindle]

Please can someone teach me where to buy platinum

For nintendo switch

[wild wind]

Eshop has it, you should be able to find it by checking the Market console's "Get Platinum" tab in game

[fallow spindle]

@wild wind thanks👍

[wild wind]

No sweat (also you hit the wrong tab, the dedicated Switch section once you get the Switch role at #757632548842111086 is better, or #players-helping-players )

[brave surge]

Maybe we can access duvuri in lua and the dormizone?

[balmy storm]

in terms of a quest and how we “access” it the first time I’d assume Lua would be the best bet

[edgy sierra]

access via both would work, cause there's that door in the dormizone

[brave surge]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

True

[brave surge]

They wouldn't add that door for nothing

[balmy storm]

It could be a door to anywhere

But Lua may have some importance to Duviri now

[brave surge]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

I wouldn’t be surprised if at the least we discover something relating to Duviri there, maybe due to Lua’s years in the void
But the Dormizone door will probably open up into something Duviri

[wild wind]

Hahaha I remember guessing that last week. Looks like the crowd is coming around to my way of thinking

[graceful zodiac]

Lua itself shouldn't have anything to do with Duviri, unless it somehow also jumped realities

[brave surge]

They also said in the dev stream theres a secret room in the 2 new nodes I could be wrong

[wild wind]

Yeah the spaces with Voruna lore

[zenith jacinth]

You never know, it could forever be a door that just happens to radiate desaturation waves and have dual nikanas leaning on the frame when viewed as a drifter

[balmy storm]

Well something in relation to Duviri or it’s effects are clearly seen, so if nothing else Lua is now connected somehow
Even if it’s just a location where it’s happening

The Dormizone door just never opens

[zenith jacinth]

Definitely nothing about it saying duviri, nope, nothing at all

[brave surge]

Its definitely not duvuri

[balmy storm]

Pretty sure it’s deimos actually

[wild wind]

Didn't they call it convergence survival

[brave surge]

Nah I think erra put them swords there

[balmy storm]

Conjunction

[wild wind]

What's converging on Lua

Still works actually

[balmy storm]

Ye

[wild wind]

(Thanks btw)

[balmy storm]

(Np )

[brave surge]

Lua is gonna turn out to be all grey soon

[balmy storm]

Lua just disappears again

[brave surge]

Dominus thrax just takes it

[wild wind]

That'd be a power move

[balmy storm]

I wonder if Voruna’s lore will relate to Lua directly
I mean her parts will probably be from the Conjunction Survival nodes

[wild wind]

Probably nothing they straight up said so.

[brave surge]

Didnt tuval have something to do with her

[balmy storm]

Or maybe she gets power from Lua
I think Umbra had that too so wouldn’t be the first

[brave surge]

In the dev stream

[balmy storm]

Yeah, I hate Tuvul

[brave surge]

He sounds bad

[balmy storm]

I hope that if he’s alive he exists just so I can punch him in his stupid face

Well he was in charge of the Zariman and when there was a disaster he pretty much said “not our problem bye”

[brave surge]

Hope he isnt alive

[balmy storm]

He’s a jerk and I want him dead

[brave surge]

What if a version of Albrecht entrati is in duvuri?

[balmy storm]

Unlikely

Though all we really know about Duviri is that it’s in the void, time works weird and the Zariman that wasn’t saved is there

[brave surge]

Well the zariaman in duvuri could be ours

[balmy storm]

And if Twoshin is from another timeline then maybe it could be possible to see Albrecht in some way, though I doubt it and I’m certain Twoshin is just our Teshin

[brave surge]

Could have swapped

[balmy storm]

No it isn’t ours

There are some weird inconsistencies with the Zarimans but ours is definitively already here
The one in Duviri is the Drifter’s

Not that there’s much a difference

[brave surge]

I wonder if there was kids on that one to?

[balmy storm]

There was

[zenith jacinth]

I

Drifter exists.

[zenith jacinth]

I want more albrecht ngl

[brave surge]

Yeah

[zenith jacinth]

That voice is too good

[balmy storm]

It’s the same, only difference is the deal that was made

[brave surge]

Hes definitely alive

[balmy storm]

Really just means Drifter and the other kids didn’t get powers

Didn’t he. Die?

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[balmy storm]

I’m like 90% sure he died lol

[brave surge]

No

Well his daughter thinks that

[zenith jacinth]

Albrecht chose to die

[balmy storm]

Not that that means much since we have the Holdfasts but they are a special case
But it is possible that he lives on through the void, though I doubt that

[zenith jacinth]

His daughter also cut off her husband's arm when he said that her father was dead and she is confirmed to not be all right in the head by her own son

[balmy storm]

If he is I think he’d be with Wally, wherever that is and whatever that truly means, idk

[brave surge]

In a dev stream I seen a replica of the void above tie zariman

I got a image

[balmy storm]

If Albrecht is alive it’s most definitely not in the traditional sense and I doubt it’s what he wants

[brave surge]

They called it sanctuary

[zenith jacinth]

That's a dev thing iirc

[balmy storm]

^

It shows up a lot on dev builds but has no relation to lore afaik

[brave surge]

Oh

I thought it was something they were gonna add lol

[balmy storm]

I hear sanctuary and think sanctuary onslaught anyway lol

My guess is it’s that but I wouldn’t know

[zenith jacinth]

I think that's what it's there for, easy access to simaris stuff

[balmy storm]

Ye

Even though you can already do that via the tabs at the top right on the same screen

But having 2 doors is better than 1 I guess

[zenith jacinth]

I like simaris, he calls me by my in-game name

Definitely not pure coincidence

[balmy storm]

Imagine how the person named Tenno feels

[zenith jacinth]

[balmy storm]

Actually
Does anyone have that username

[zenith jacinth]

Probably

[balmy storm]

I feel like it’d be a DE owned account but idk

[zenith jacinth]

Why would it be, they didn't invent the word

[balmy storm]

Idk

[brave surge]

We still need to figure out what the man in the wall said

[balmy storm]

Just seems like something they might have

[zenith jacinth]

When?

[balmy storm]

Yeah you need to be more specific

[brave surge]

New war ending

[balmy storm]

Oh lol

[zenith jacinth]

Oull, ris, xata, vome, khra, lohk

[balmy storm]

The devs say nobodies figured it out

[brave surge]

They said that's wrong

[balmy storm]

Not directly iirc

But they have said nobody has gotten it

[zenith jacinth]

The audio says pretty clearly that it isn't

[balmy storm]

I think it’s more likely it’s the requiems and the true meaning is the full “poem”

[zenith jacinth]

We have no actual translation of what he says, but it's clear that he says those words

[balmy storm]

Or something similar

[brave surge]

Yeah apart from the end bit for me lol

[balmy storm]

I heard something different to the Requiems a few times but it wasn’t anything ground breaking or different
Nor do I remember what it was lol

[zenith jacinth]

Could be a dragon shout if you make it just a bit more like, "medieval-sounding"

[balmy storm]

soulframe?

Wally just gave us a teaser for Soulframe, that’s what he said, totally

[brave surge]

I thought at the end bit he said you owe me

[zenith jacinth]

Nah, definitely an incredibly obscure elder scrolls 6 teaser

[balmy storm]

Even better

[graceful zodiac]

The audio guy who made it fully says we don't have it exact yet

[zenith jacinth]

I was too busy being incredibly perplexed by the thing I was looking at to listen to him tbh

[balmy storm]

Maybe we’re misinterpreting a requiem?

[balmy storm]

I went on youtube and replayed it a bunch

still no idea aside from requiems

[brave surge]

The end bit I think

[zenith jacinth]

Maybe they don't check here as often as they should?

11:50pm, I will not get much sleep tonight...

[balmy storm]

The requirm theory is the prevailing one so I’d imagine they’d have heard about it in some way, it shows up in youtube videos about it too so

[graceful zodiac]

The guy also said something he was sent on Twitter was closer, but not exact

[balmy storm]

On Tenno?

[graceful zodiac]

https://twitter.com/Rorschakk/status/1549075376097398786?s=20&t=VYwFpfUIQH2577MBG-Y-fg

𝙍❍𝙍𝙎𝘾𝜢𝞚𝜥𝜥 (@Rorschakk)

Interesting... Some of the words really just don't match any requiem words. I'm really leaning towards this is the first time Orokin is being audibly spoken.

#Warframe @WhatNowErich

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jul 18, 2022, 4:55 PM

[balmy storm]

Oh twitter

[graceful zodiac]

"Vull Mer Zata Kook Vaba Dok(Nohk/Lohk?) Lohk" is warmer

[balmy storm]

Oooo

I like the idea it was spoken as Orokin

[brave surge]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

What if it’s Sentient?

[brave surge]

Hmm

[balmy storm]

Speaking to Lotus in that moment

[brave surge]

I heard the man in the walls voice earlier before the end

[balmy storm]

Something’s def up with her and Wally, so I wouldn’t be surprised

[brave surge]

Or something like it

[zenith jacinth]

Getting closer to dragon shouts

[balmy storm]

Warframe is just an elaborate ad for Skyrim

[zenith jacinth]

Mer is the word for elves in the elder scrolls universe

I should sleep

[brave surge]

I'm trying to think of what bit it was at

The bit were ballas was at the throne and the people are shouting narmer

[snow oak]

do i need voidrig for new war quest? (pls say no)

[wild copper]

you need a necramech, yes

[snow oak]

jesus

thank you

[fleet veldt]

Benefit: Voidrigs are really good against big targets like Eidolons if you're good with their energy.

[rain otter]

You do get all the BPs for the Void Rig for doing the Diemos Quest now.

[hearty marsh]

Well that's nice.

[past kiln]

Benefit: No they're not

Arquebex is not good against eidolons pls stop recommending it

[velvet wing]

I mean, people definitely get tricaps done quickly using necramechs soooooo

[snow oak]

ohh ye i just noticed that. the parts tho is from bounties?

[rain otter]

The iso Vault bounties when you kill the like Rouge necramechs they can drop the damaged parts.

[past kiln]

quicker if u use rubico bc arquebex is a projectile

[snow oak]

ahhh so i need a group! ok thank you

[rain otter]

You get the most parts by doing the tier 3 Vaults cuz 3 Necramechs spawn.

Oh also before you had to do each Vault like in order like tier 1 tier 2 tier 3 now you can just do tier 3 over and over.

[snow oak]

ohhh i see. thank you! now gotta go find peeps to do it with

[zenith jacinth]

Yeah, it's faster, but that doesn't mean it's the only option

[orchid remnant]

but arque so much cooler

[nocturne kiln]

So, how are people liking operator armor and sydanas?

[brave surge]

Drifter not operator yet

I'm just waiting for operator suits on drifter

[swift pond]

Manduka set on Drifter

That's all I want, lemme put the main suit and sleeves on and I'm a happy lad.

[brave surge]

I want the bishamo set on drifter

[toxic prairie]

i wish we could use all of our outfits on drifter to be honest

[zenith jacinth]

I want animation sets on drifter

[brave surge]

There working on that

[icy ore]

Alert mission up, everybody in forma-tion

[nocturne kiln]

I just want more outfits. They don't have to be the same ones, just give me more to choose from

Also, didn't red text state they accidentally leaked one themselves a while back?

[fallow blaze]

What’s going on with cross play will PlayStation and Xbox

I have friends on PlayStation that I want to play with it’s only y I am asking

[obtuse gyro]

not available yet

[fallow blaze]

Copy that anyone know when it will be

[thick jolt]

We dont know when ps will enter crossplay testing

For now its just pc and xbox

[fallow blaze]

Copy that thank you I hope soon then everyone playing together would be cool I appreciate the help everyone

[floral tiger]

We can hope that it will be soon, things seem to be going good so far

[lime pond]

forma

[dreamy saffron]

The "choice" ||ghost dad|| gives you when you unlock Steel Path cracks me up

[zenith jacinth]

"Unlock THE STEEL PATH? "

Why is that all caps

[swift pond]

It's a warning

[gusty breach]

y'know, ngl, the archon shard ephemeras are a bit of a letdown. it would have been cooler if there was just one shard that faded between all the colors of the shards you have installed, with 2 different ephemeras, one for the head and one for the torso

just my thoughts, just got them to see what they'd look like

[zenith jacinth]

Nah, this is better

[gusty breach]

i love the void particles, but the location of the shards themselves are a bit... less that appealing. and the hex ephemera idle is a bit out of place imo

i think it could be cool to have the shards floating around you, could work well with certain fashion frame themes, but i just want the one shard to show on my frames

[zenith jacinth]

You get to cosplay a certain roman emperor with one of the ephemeras

[gusty breach]

true

still, my stance stands. you looks like a weird crystal dino with the bane ephemera, and you just turn into a monk with the hex ephemera

is it so bad to just want one shard and nothing else too fancy

could even call the fading one "shard seeker ephemera", keeping with the theme

also, im sad its not centered on Xaku's chest ;-;

[zenith jacinth]

I can't see anything

[frail nymph]

I gots a question

Where Veil proximia?

[steady gate]

Veil Proxima is in Railjack

If you mean lorewise…we don’t know

[zenith jacinth]

In the sol system

[cyan crest]

Near the edge of the system if I had to guess
It makes sense for sentient forces to concentrate there

[fleet veldt]

Plus few go that far out in the system unless for profiteering from derelicts or to hunt for relics/salvage/artifacts/Sentient leftovers (which are actually fully operational and are slowly recycling the debris - like with Praghasa).

[rain otter]

Also the Terra Forming is how they Make the Murex

[fleet veldt]

The Murex were more a byproduct of the Sentient designing various craft to get around and do things.

Terraforming was the original purpose the Sentient had - before it became sentient and added embellishments which the Orokin were mortified by (though mainly the Orokin were horrified that they were sapient entities that acted outside their twisted Legams, resulting in a difference in opinion, which led to war alongside the Orokin desire to pave over what the Sentient made with whatever they brought with them, if they ever decided to go to Tau to check on it directly or to see if the 10-0 somehow made it despite Tuvul's interference).

Pazuul implies something equally horrible - that things like 'mouths' were/are not needed in 'Holy Tau' - in one of the broadcast messages of his.

Of which one set I heard recently was talking about Hunhow - how he turned off the bridge to Tau along with the public Solar Rails more generally, severing worlds.

[orchid remnant]

I wonder if we will ever see a Turaga worm ship! Since Cy and his crew could take out one I imagine it’s smaller than Praghasa

[rain otter]

i know like Lotus talks about Amars Mouth never meant for like actually bitting and tearing into flesh it was just decortive

[fleet veldt]

The Turaga-class could be a Sentient response to Orowyrms. A homage. A reference. An UNO reverse card of a joke - as is with taking over all their high-tech.

[rain otter]

It was still pretty huge but They where stopped from destorying it by I ASSUME BALLAS cuz they didnt want like the Sentient Invasion stopped

cuz it would have literally been like this crew of 4 doofuses took out most of the Sentient fleet

[fleet veldt]

I think Murex were merely the Sentient counterpart to Crewships. Turaga wormships could be the Sentient equivalent to the smallest of proper Corpus frigates.

[orchid remnant]

But it wouldn’t have been most of the Sentient fleet? It was just one Worm Ship

[rain otter]

yeah. Expect Purgasa

specicifly

[orchid remnant]

They weren’t talking about Phragasa, just some Worm Ship

[orchid remnant]

That would be pretty funny

[rain otter]

they said it was a really big one and one of the like first invasion force it seems

and they where stopped for a reason i think them winning and then like alerting the rest of the empire would have swung the War in favor of the Orokin too soon.

[fleet veldt]

No. The Sentient managed to hack and hijack anything sufficiently advanced - and the Orokin military during the start of the Old War was full of automation.

Only after this did the empire start using people/Cephalons and biotech in lieu of anything the Sentient could hack (of course, beforehand the Orokin were a bit iffy on AIs, but the Old War was the nail-in-coffin).

Even now we can see a lesson at play - with what happened to the Corpus. Almost all their proxies on exposed networks got hacked and E-Narmer'd.

[rain otter]

This wasn't automation though.

This was literally Cy's programing told him to not let them win this fight.

Like If they won against this invasion force it might habe mattered.

Otherwise why would someone program Cy to kill his Crew?

[zenith jacinth]

Not programming, a precept

[wild wind]

He wasn't programmed to kill his crew, his programming instead said that crew casualties including complete crew death would increase the odds of their mission succeeding. Because stopping for medical attention or rescue would close their window of opportunity to succeed.

Instead they all died during the mission and the mission failed anyway.

[rain otter]

Idk

That wasn't said.

[wild wind]

Kinda was, his whole monologues about mission vs. crew are full of that

[steep delta]

why did Cy let his crew die exactly?

[zenith jacinth]

The deaths were deemed necessary to complete the mission

[steep delta]

i don't understand why complete and total crew death would increase mission success rate

what the heck

[zenith jacinth]

Cy doesn't give any further explanation

[swift pond]

It could be true, it could be a fault in Cy's logic. Hard to say for certain. Just be glad he holds himself more accountable these days.

[zenith jacinth]

Pretty sure he always blamed himself for it

He stopped being a rj cephalon because he saw himself as unfit for the job after all

Definitely not the case

Again, he hates what he's done, saw himself as unfit to continue being a rj cephalon and stopped working as one

Not to mention the obvious ptsd he has from it

[wild wind]

I always got the sense it was a bombing run

Get in behind enemy lines, blow up the communications center, escape having royally messed up Sentient coordination and logistics

[zenith jacinth]

There is nothing that even remotely suggests what kind of mission it was