spoiler-chat

[cyan crest]

They are wearing veils in their faces tho

[hexed ember]

They have different veil

[cyan crest]

Also the corpus do have civilians

[cyan crest]

I mean, not sure how different
We had to get the veil we put on Ballas from somewhere

[hexed ember]

Dunno if it is just how their bodies look, but their veils seem bigger relatively and have more capabilities?

[cyan crest]

Capabilities?

[hexed ember]

Didn’t it like.. do something to others through their face bits that no one else with a veil could do? Like, in the new war quest

[jagged crane]

They could explode the veil right off your face

[lost summit]

So maybe theyre really intune with the leader?

[cyan crest]

They make veils explode but the explosion doesn't come from their veil I think?

Anyway they're probably partly people if they need veils

[graceful zodiac]

The one we had from before

[cyan crest]

Which we threw to the ground

And did not pick up

[jagged crane]

We also stole a ship full of them

[cyan crest]

In the Vallis

[hexed ember]

They also are nearly entirely hollow

Like, no legs, not even a waist, just arms and upper torso with a cloak

[balmy storm]

The deacons can detonate an individual’s veil

[cyan crest]

Yes that is what I said

[balmy storm]

O

Nvm then

[cyan crest]

[jagged crane]

There’s actually many ways we could’ve gotten the veil, for one the ship we stole from the corpus was loaded with them, for another moments before going to the murex we were ripping veils off ostrons in the unum tower. Before even that we were ripping them off konzu and other ostrons in Cetus

[cyan crest]

Was the corpus shuttle loaded with veils?

[balmy storm]

I kinda wish they showed Drifter stashing the veil after they used it

[cyan crest]

It is not like they had a reason to keep it

[balmy storm]

True, but just having any point where they show them stashing the veil or saving it or. Anything woulda been nice

[hexed ember]

Oh, there is actually at least one deacon showed without a veil on.. also their hp type is infested or something?? Not sure how people even found that out

[balmy storm]

My friend played tnw recently and they were immediately confused why the operator pulled out a veil on ballas lol

[balmy storm]

Who needs Archon lore? I want Deacon lore

Also maybe they’re in the codex, you can scan them

[jagged crane]

Pretty sure the fact that the ship was hauling veils was why Little Duck wanted it too

[cyan crest]

Was it tho? It was on the veil factory but was it full of veils?

[balmy storm]

We don’t see inside it ever iirc so

[cyan crest]

Even then, operator wouldn't have been able to pick it up, and Drifter wouldn't have a reason to keep it

[balmy storm]

Yeah

[cyan crest]

Only when it leaves you 8ik a planet

[graceful zodiac]

The fact is, we couldn't have gotten it from a Deacon thanks to the hunts showing that Deacons have LONG masks

[balmy storm]

Ah, I’m guessing we don’t see any in there

The one used on Ballas is just a normal veil

[jagged crane]

I’m pretty sure Little Duck literally said that it’s a cargo ship hauling veils and she wants them

[graceful zodiac]

We could've picked it up at any point, it could be the one we had before, doesn't really matter too much in the end

[jagged crane]

But no matter what we were required to take the veils of Konzu and them and it wasn’t optional like the others so we could’ve gotten it from them no matter what

[balmy storm]

Coulda been nice to just have a part on Praghasa where we take some veiled prisoner’s veil, or even just one off a corpse

[jagged crane]

Nah cuz then you know you’re going to end up using it

[balmy storm]

Drifter drops the one they were using

[balmy storm]

Which is how it should be

[jagged crane]

The whole point of not seeing when you pick it up is to keep you surprised when you jump Ballas

[cyan crest]

The only part where we pick up veils in both Drifter and operstor form is in Cetus so it must be there

[balmy storm]

Chekhov’s gun and all that
Show us grabbing it so we use it later!

[jagged crane]

Otherwise the suspense of that scene is ruined because you know you’re going to put the veil on him

[balmy storm]

It’s only ruined if you remembered it

And either way that arguably doesn’t ruin the suspense lol

[jagged crane]

I’d rather spend 5 seconds thinking back to when I could’ve gotten the veil than have the scene become just another predictable one that I know what’s going to happen the second I see Ballas on screen and us off frame

[cyan crest]

having a more followable story is more important than a surprise that only lands the first time anyway

[jagged crane]

Literally if there was a segment where we pocketed a veil the very first thing that I would’ve thought is “oh so we’re going to force this on either lotus or Ballas”

[balmy storm]

It doesn’t have to be a segment, just tack it on to any time during cetus lol

[cyan crest]

Anyway they probably got it on Cetus

[balmy storm]

Even a simple “I’ll take that” kinda line tbh

[jagged crane]

Thats what I’ve been saying

[cyan crest]

"Operator, you should grab one of those LYING MASKS Narmer veils for analysis later!"
There, it would've been explained better
I think
Anyway

[balmy storm]

The problem is the Veil narratively comes out of nowhere, we have no reason to even believe we’d keep one or why

[graceful zodiac]

Showing us taking the mask wouldn't have ruined anything. It just suggests a potential Chekhov's

[balmy storm]

This

[cyan crest]

Yep

Just make some excuse for them to keep it and we're good

[balmy storm]

Don’t even have to have a cutscene for it

[jagged crane]

It would’ve been better if it was explained after
Something like Lotus saying “Where did you-“
“Picked it up on the way here.”

[balmy storm]

We basically have that when you grab a veil off an ostron anyway lol

[cyan crest]

Just a line in like the 4 mandatory times we tear veils off

[balmy storm]

After woulda been lame, feels like it’s shoved in there

Which without any explanation to why we even have it or where we got it that’s exactly how it feels
Shoved in

[cyan crest]

My problem is that they have no reason to keep it

[graceful zodiac]

It doesn't really matter. It's not hard to guess where we could get a mask from

[jagged crane]

It would’ve fit best for the environment of the scene

[cyan crest]

They have a place to get them but they really don't have a reason to carry it to Praghasa

[balmy storm]

^

[cyan crest]

I'd have a character suggest you get one for some reason, maybe Little duck needs one for something or Konzu wants to see if it holds temple kuva something dumb but at least an explanation

[balmy storm]

Really anything to suggest a reason for why we’d bring it all the way to the sun

[cyan crest]

I was happy with the deacon explanation cause they're in the same room but apparently their veils are different : (

[balmy storm]

This is making me wonder if the Duviri mask is gonna be more important than we realize

[jagged crane]

Well it kinda is already shown to be considering it’s one of the only things in Duviri with color

[balmy storm]

I’m really curious what color means in Duviri

[zenith jacinth]

Difference

[balmy storm]

Well yeah

[zenith jacinth]

Seems like it so far

[balmy storm]

That and change

[cyan crest]

Only important people™️ have colour in duviri

The rests are peasants

[jagged crane]

But Thrax is colorless

[balmy storm]

Sorry Bombastine 😔

They aren’t

They have spots of color iirc

[graceful zodiac]

They don't

[cyan crest]

They didn't look colourless in the amphitheater showcase

[jagged crane]

The amphitheater showcased everything in color

[cyan crest]

While the rest of the world was grey

[jagged crane]

Which means that was just the amphitheater

In the trailers and stuff Thrax looks to be colorless even though drifters identical mask is colored

[cyan crest]

Although yeah the gameplay demo holds more weight for these kinds of stuff

[jagged crane]

I do like how the two big updates for Warframe this year are heavily focused on bringing a different style of game to one game.

[graceful zodiac]

The only hints of color without Drifter around are gold shines

[jagged crane]

And the red of the Dax boss

[graceful zodiac]

And Dominus' Eyes

[jagged crane]

And the red in the sky behind the Dax boss

[cyan crest]

that's actually kind of a lot of stuff

[balmy storm]

Didn’t they show Thrax’s hand in color?
That’s how we know they have at least 1 human hand

[cyan crest]

on a different note, what's with the hood? While we've seen the mask been worn by drifter and Thrax, who's the stranger?

I'm guessing we'll know in duviri

[balmy storm]

I always thought it was Thrax

[cyan crest]

But they don't wear a hood

[autumn turret]

i think the hood is just because mask alone wouldnt look great on general fashion

[jagged crane]

I think the hood was so there was an open/closed fashion

[cyan crest]

Yes but the way its called the stranger's hood... Probably won't be anything but I'm still suspicious

[jagged crane]

Prolly more so about not spoiling drifters name

Or Thrax’s

Cuz you gotta remember all this stuff is accessible to everyone, not just people who know who it is

[balmy storm]

Maybe we’re the Stranger?

[cyan crest]

Maybe

[balmy storm]

No way Thrax’s name is actually Thrax btw

[jagged crane]

Based on a general sense of the Warframe community we’re at least strange

[cyan crest]

I'm still gonna be weary
If any character wearing the hood shows up you owe me 20 credits

[balmy storm]

I wish the description for the hood gave us more than “operator hasn’t seen this but drifter has”

[jagged crane]

I don’t see any reason why they wouldn’t be named Thrax?

[balmy storm]

I hope the stranger is a different character

Maybe there are other Zariman survivors? Maybe they have a revolution somewhere? Somehow..?

[jagged crane]

I’m assuming all the people of Duviri are Zariman survivors

[balmy storm]

In Styanax’s Leverian they reveal that the Thrax is a monster told to kids, a bedtime story, it’s a venomous thing
Either way there is undoubtly some connection there

Or a case of Warframe using the same name for stuff and forgetting

Lookin’ at you Sirocco-

[jagged crane]

Wait what else is named sirrocco?

[cyan crest]

Why the sirocco?

[balmy storm]

Wisp’s Kavat armor

[hexed ember]

honestly, I think it's good/cool that some words are used in multiple places, and sometimes referring to different things, makes it feel more.. i duno, realistic in a weird way

[balmy storm]

Same

[torpid lantern]

Only if it's not super confusing xD

[onyx shore]

it doesn't look good anyways, i find it too bright and rarely fitting into general fashion

[balmy storm]

It’s the fabric that’s the problem

Even with the blackest of blacks it’s not dark enough to fit anything

[onyx shore]

yup

really sucks bc i like the mask

[balmy storm]

Same ):

[cyan crest]

I found it can look good with the voidshell armor and the right materials

[zenith jacinth]

Problem: voidshell looks wack

[cyan crest]

Given how you can customize almost everything about it I'd call that a skill issue

[balmy badger]

We need Voidshell accessories... Hard to make the skins look good with a lot of armor sets/syandana's without limiting yourself to certain material types.

[hexed ember]

Don’t think I’d use voidshell on any frame… maybe if there was a good drifter set for it, that isn’t the current suit thing that I don’t like at all

[torpid lantern]

I love my tennogen and deluxes too much to use voidshell

[jagged crane]

I use styanax voidshell, rhino voidshell, and Saryn voidshell

Been thinking about Excal voidshell but I think Umbra looks better

[hexed ember]

i love my deluxes

[neon yarrow]

You know, as much as I love voidshells, I love deluxes and the alt skins and heads. I just wish after getting the base voidshell skin for a frame we could apply the voidshell feature to all other skins for that frame. Would make fashion frame better if we had to have both base voidshell version skin and the specific skin we want to have on our frames and be able to just apply voidshell to them.... Would feel so much better.

[balmy storm]

I think they can’t do that for now due to technical limitations but that could change maybe?

[neon yarrow]

I hope they could at least make it so we could have voidshell variants of all the skins for each frame so long as the skin we want in voidshell is owned. Would be wonderful.

[thick jolt]

Probably not gonna happen

[fleet veldt]

Would require a lot of trying to semi-automate how colour/texture assignment mapping works by reverse-engineering how they assign materials and colours for each material, and even then there's a few frames who still lack the PBR treatment on some cosmetics.

Rhino being one of the loudest examples.

[steep delta]

anyone have a gif of some poor soul getting Veiled?

i need one

For Science

[frozen rune]

Nope

[steep delta]

discord's warframe gif selection sucks

that's why i need a gif of someone getting Veiled. because Discord doesn't have one

[frozen rune]

Go find a streamer who failed and got veiled

[steep delta]

well i'm not really an expert on extracting gifs from videos so...

what was the mission name in TNW with those stupid Deacons?

Stolen Plates?

[languid torrent]

Yeah.

There's also Kahl getting Veiled if a Deacon stuns him

[steep delta]

anyone know if there's any videos with the Drifter getting Veiled mutiple times

in TNW

[frozen rune]

Youtube probably has a few, or you can record yourself as you replace the New War content

[steep delta]

i am not replaying TNW

[frozen rune]

Search youtube then

[steep delta]

had a hard time with the Deacons the first time on PC

then i had to do it again on PS4

ugh

still gives me nightmares lmao

[frozen rune]

Oh nice, you found one for @steep delta

[steep delta]

thank you

[lost summit]

I take all forms of thank yous in cash

[frozen rune]

Just give him a rock

[steep delta]

anyone know if the Narmer Domestik Drone is available yet?

i need one in my life

i've seen them in clips of TNW and thought to myself what if i Veiled up my Orbiter

[twilit geode]

I still question how people kept losing to the deacons. One streamer kept jumping over the obvious barrier wall that led to the obvious tunnel to walk through over and over and raged as the deacons got him every time. Then others just run into the OBVIOUS GLOWING LINE OF SIGHT cone and are befuddled that that they were seen.

[rain otter]

Are we talking Kahl missions? Cuz you can just Stun them with Kahls 3

[twilit geode]

No, I mean The New War.

[primal thorn]

i had to watch a tutorial to get past that part

didn't know to vent

[edgy sierra]

How to get past the deacons in TNW?

Stelth

[balmy ice]

Not everyone has puzzle solving skills.
Or the opposite is true where people have too much puzzle solving skills and try to do it in a convoluted manner.

Had a friend I was shareplaying amnesia games with and the one time he decides to do a puzzle all he had to do was drop a castle rock piece onto a bridge stuck in the air in a room.

For a hour or so he was incredibly insistent he could solve it when I suggested the answer. He was saying I was nuts when I eventually took the controller back in shareplay because it had been almost 2 hours

[indigo plank]

I kept losing to deacons because I tried going to little duck. Like the game was telling me to just go to the elevator but I wanted to see if there was a juicy secret

[twilit geode]

At least you have an excuse. lol

[jagged crane]

My first time playing New War I apparently had a bug that I didn’t know was a bug, because the last deacon that was in front of the elevator wasn’t facing away from the elevator like he was supposed to, he was facing directly towards it, so I kept getting into the elevator and then getting shot anyways and having to go back

[old quiver]

no more early lunch for konzu

[scarlet basalt]

Sorry if I'm not good 😭

[shy spindle]

hey guys? why do i have this in the orbiter without having any quests tracked

[cyan crest]

Bug

It's there for apostasy prologue but if you get it after it's a bug

[shy spindle]

It's been a while it doesnt do anything, it's just...there

I was partly hoping it was gonna be a secret cutscene

[balmy storm]

I think it’s kinda weird it hasn’t been patched yet with how many people have seen it

[proper harness]

thats because it isnt real, its just a collective hallucination amongst the warframe community /j

[static nimbus]

I don't even know why we have a kneeling pad in the quarters tbh

[balmy storm]

To meditate

[proper harness]

fishie observation

[lost summit]

I cant wait to make my drifter camp a drifter home. but my god is it annoying trying to get plat to make a living area

[cyan crest]

It's good you can get a lot with holdfasts standing

[torpid lantern]

Don't you need lanthorns to rank up? I haven't been able to really find those

[lost summit]

Limbo max range with a smeeta kitty makes it a lot faster. 1 run can get me 4 or so minimum.

[zenith jacinth]

Break everything and send distilling extractors

[torpid lantern]

you can do extractors!? 😮

oh my gosh no way!!!!

Thanks!

[woeful jacinth]

The chance to get them from extractors is low so I wouldn't rely on it

[torpid lantern]

Anything better than a zero is good odds to me xD

[naive warren]

You should still take advantage of it though you get four

[lost summit]

I hope the next open area has more regal decorations. I want a fire place and a fainting couch

[woeful jacinth]

Of course. I'm not saying to not use extractors but I wouldn't just rely on it to get lanthorns. Using limbo's cataclysm to break all the containers on the map helped me get them

[zenith jacinth]

Distilling ones get them like every 6-8 deploys on average

Note that extractors also count for 4 containers, meaning if it gets lanthorns it'll instantly be 4 instead of just 1

[steep delta]

i renamed my Nataruk to You Saw Nothing lol

[naive warren]

The only thing people will see is your blinding energy colours (If you have a blinding one)

[steep delta]

purple and yellow

went for an Emperor Calus look on my Excalibur Umbra

[jagged crane]

How do you rename weapons

[steep delta]

depends on the weapon

Primary/Secondary go to Rude Zuud in Fortuna

Melee in Cetus

Zaw guy

[high otter]

Applies to all weapons? I thought only to zaws/kit guns

[steep delta]

yes all

that's how i renamed my Shedu

and my Nataruk

[high otter]

thanks

[steep delta]

was going to rename my Shedu to Shedon't but the game won't allow apostrophes in weapon names so i went with Shaddup instead lol

[high otter]

Eheheh
Speaking of - do you use that thing? I got it but I rarely find myself using it

[steep delta]

yeah sometimes

if i'm going for a full sentient look on one of my frames

[high otter]

Ah, fashion purposes. Feels kinda weak otherwise. Maybe I just misuse it

[frozen rune]

Shedu is...mildly useful but it certainly has issues in terms of damage

[steep delta]

Nataruk Excalibur Umbra is good though

transference and let Excal umbra do its thing

[frozen rune]

"And you get an arrow, and you get an arrow. Everyone gets an arrow."

[high otter]

Lately I've only been using the zariman weapons + nukor

[high otter]

Does umbra release at max power?

[steep delta]

i have no idea

haven't tested it

about to test the specter ammo changes using a low level exterminate on earth here shortly though.

[high otter]

Get white energy on it. If you go blind, your gpu melts and you get a power cut in the whole neighborhood, it probably does

[steep delta]

lol

[high otter]

Exaggerating, of course.

[frozen rune]

Umbra should release a full charge instead of a perfect charge

Standard bow specter AI more than likely

[high otter]

Then I'm much better than umbra

[frozen rune]

It's a small difference

Plus Umbra doesn't benefit from galvanized mods

So in that regard you being behind the wheel is even more powerful

[high otter]

Waaaiiiittt, doesn't the galvanized mod with Crit when aiming work on Nataruk?

I just realized that I could go for crits even bigger than now

[naive warren]

I don’t think that exists

[frozen rune]

Yes it can be applied to it I think

[naive warren]

Bladed Rounds?

[high otter]

Galvanized scope

[frozen rune]

With galvanized scope you'd get up to 310 crit chance easily. Have fun with this knowledge

[high otter]

Eeeehhehehehehehehehhhh can't wait.

[naive warren]

That’s the one

[high otter]

I'mma get it on my tenet flux as well. For... Purposes

So I can get 600 slash stacks on enemies in 10 seconds

[frozen rune]

Xerlock are you committing war crimes again?

[high otter]

Again?

[frozen rune]

Do you deny killing the Grineer's potential savior from clone blight?

[high otter]

I'm sorry, I didn't phrase that right

I mean, when have I ever stopped?

[frozen rune]

Better

[high otter]

No, in fact I'm about to do that 20 more times. Gotta get that equinox for helminth

[frozen rune]

Good, perform genocide well

[high otter]

Uhhh, just wondering. Is there a line-up for the prime resurgence? Wondering what's next

[frozen rune]

Haven't seen one

[high otter]

Okay, thank you!

[pine hill]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Prime_Resurgence

[frozen rune]

Now I have seen one lol

The slight issue though, it doesn't show the current one

[pine hill]

I know, but maybe gives us a clue

[frozen rune]

No obvious clue as I skimmed it

[real niche]

No and there won't be because it's just Prime Vault 2.0

[real niche]

There's no reason that this would give us any indication on what would be in the new Prime Resurgence

[steep delta]

anyone know if Naramon's Waybounds are worth the 140k focus?

for me it's either one of those or the 200% health one from Vazarin

i have 3 Brilliant Eidolon Shards

used one one Madurai

one on Unairu

[balmy ice]

Get every waybound

It’ll take awhile but getting every waybound is pretty good for operator.

If you want a order to do it in though,
Vazarin -> Zenurik -> Unairu -> Naramon -> Madurai
If you use zenurik over madurai
Vazarin -> Madurai -> Unairu -> Naramon -> Zenurik

Vazarin should always be first if you play operator a lot.

[steep delta]

i use Madurai and Unairu

[gritty pike]

Naramon is most useless, vazarin is best way bound with unairu just beating madurai imo

but i main madurai

[frozen rune]

I just use Madurai for bosses that need operator killing

Otherwise I'll use Unairu

[gritty pike]

777 with madurai go hard

[edgy sierra]

Naramon has useless waybounds, yes. But the combo decay stopper is pretty good

[frozen rune]

Sounds like a good reason to rework it again ~DE

[gritty pike]

what was naramons previous waybounds?

same thing?

[frozen rune]

Roughly the same yea, speed based

[gritty pike]

it would make less sense, but so much better if it was affinity area increase

for one of the waybounds

[frozen rune]

It'd be nice if we could unbind all the passive aspects of each tree

[stark wyvern]

@heavy obsidian @balmy badger @naive warren

[naive warren]

What Archon did you choose first? @stark wyvern

[distant crater]

So continuing

[distant crater]

Can't remember

[obtuse gyro]

My guy you aint pythondudee

[past mantle]

so whats a duviri

ah nvm

[obtuse gyro]

find out winter 2022 when the Duviri Paradox comes out

but for now: Duviri is a strange mysterious place in the void ruled by Dominus Thrax

[past mantle]

thrax 🤮

[high otter]

fair enough. Mant thanks!

[brave osprey]

Do y'all know what we should be able to do in the Zariman? Repair our Dormizone lobby. It's a MESS!

[wraith sigil]

More like the entire ship’s a mess

[brave osprey]

Both physically and psychologically. We need to clean it, i have an allergy and this place would be the equivalent of a death sentence if i even just approached that place

[floral tiger]

Tbh that window is a real pain as when you look from outside into the room it’s clean, but other way around it’s dirty as hell.

[zenith jacinth]

Border up the window

[floral tiger]

Yeah I’d rather have a nice view if it wasn’t so dirty.

[balmy ice]

Good thing drifter doesn’t have allergies

[supple dagger]

mine does

to Tauan peanuts

[neon yarrow]

I think it is any choice can be a screw up depending. But I think eventually DE might want to unify end choices after maybe 4 major story drops after Duviri. Though still keep the cosmetics with lore being that our space mom can randomly shift between forms for our benefit or depending on need. And the choice that was made the most (In the first go through of the quest) is the one that sticks.

[supple dagger]

Yo what happened to ordis btw?

Does he have a body now?

Like he's in some flying robot thing now, what's up with that

[neon yarrow]

I dont know how or where he got his upgrade. And if he ever did in one of the past story missions I must have missed it.

[edgy heart]

That would rock

[thick jolt]

Someone said you could see his new body back in the sacrifice when we linked him with the vitruvian

[hexed ember]

he probably took up the body when the orbiter stopped... working

[neon yarrow]

Hmm. Gotta do a lore check.

So it would seem as the Sacrifice quest is where he gets the body.

[high otter]

Yes, kinda
But we only really see it during tnw
So duviri may explain it

[orchid remnant]

The plot twist is that Teshin is the secret leader of Duviri, and Dominus Thrax’s weird neck thing is just part of his hat!

[hexed light]

Huh. Did not connect those. Come to think of it, we may have seen it in shadows during The War Within

Ordis's body, I mean

[cosmic ermine]

I remember that Operator got thrown into void portal. Drifter that just stranded i speculate comes a long time after op's banishing, because most of starchart population already being veiled.

Drifter got chased by Lotus after inserting the second shard, but then somehow he switched to the Operator.

I think Drifter's day in duviri started because the Drifter that is trying to run from enraged Lotus switched place with Operator that got banished into void portal. How do yall think?

(this is me misunderstanding the deal between Man and operator and/or drifter

[graceful zodiac]

Drifter was always in Duviri.

[zenith jacinth]

There is no wrong choice

[lost summit]

Except the one you make. That one is always wrong

[balmy storm]

double plot twist
thrax is teshin’s son from another timeline

[hexed ember]

thrax is the umbra from the timeline where umbra didn't get umbra'd...

[balmy storm]

nah, he’s his son

[high otter]

Thrax, as in the dominus thrax with long arm from the duviri trailer?

[torpid lantern]

[wind hollow]

Is drifter MEANT to be there xD

[edgy sierra]

yes

[wind hollow]

I love me some floating chopsticks just talking to me

[edgy sierra]

do you see the food getting digested?

[wind hollow]

Unfortunately not

Omg if that actually happened, I wouldve died xD
Just seeing the food drop slowly

[cosmic ermine]

phew arranging done

[quasi loom]

I started laughing when teshin appeared as a ghost when I got my daily reward

[brave osprey]

Teshin: boo

[flat magnet]

I’ve got a similar set up but for the lil cubby in the personal quarters just as you enter it, shame it can only fit 24/30

[steep delta]

On my way to work so I can't do Narmer adjacent stuff

No Narmer bounties until after 12 for me lmao

Was going to farm Narmer Isoplast

[gritty pike]

isn’t testing supposed to come back alive?

i coulda sworn i saw something with him alive in a different look

[zenith jacinth]

I assume you mean teshin. Twoshin(praying to the gods that it's not our teshin) is gonna be a major character in the duviri paradox

[balmy storm]

He’s probably our teshin tbh

[solar palm]

duckyy

[balmy storm]

How he got there and isn’t dead?
Gotta wait and see

[solar palm]

[obtuse gyro]

how he got there and old only minutes after he died? gotta see

[balmy storm]

He seems to have been there for a good few loops so that would be why he appears older

I’m just confused why he was in a place with warframe statues
or actual warframes?
I’m not even sure anymore-

[obtuse gyro]

Thing is he only died a few minutes ago, relative to lotus's hand being cut off

If thats him, time is truly heavily distorted in the void

[balmy storm]

I feel like it’s more so he’s been through many loops or witnessed many loops?

I hope they’ll make it at least somewhat clear timeline wise for the characters that matter

Which I’m assuming are Drifter, Teshin and maybe Thrax
Probably Thrax

[zenith jacinth]

It's the scene from the beginning of the game, so probably actual frames

[balmy storm]

I feel like Thrax might be a Zariman kid

[balmy storm]

It is not the same location however, just the frames

[zenith jacinth]

You sure?

[balmy storm]

Wait
Is Duviri going to set some chain of events into motion that starts the whole game

[balmy storm]

Yes, I checked, it’s visually very different

Unless I’m wrong which is possible cause I coulda missed something lol

But they’re more in a cave while our starters were in an orokin tower

[obtuse gyro]

Possibly if the lotus hand is also part of the loop

[balmy storm]

It does seem to be

Teshin comments on it iirc

[graceful zodiac]

He does. Taking the hand is part of it

[zenith jacinth]

Have you ever looked at the ground though?

[torpid lantern]

The starters are in a temple on Earth

[balmy storm]

But that’s not entirely the same as the tower, maybe a portion of it was. Idk moved?

They’re definitely different locations

[zenith jacinth]

Maybe it's the tower in an even more distant future

[balmy storm]

Unless Duviri brings in a third timeline that isn’t possible

[torpid lantern]

What tower are you guys talking about?

[balmy storm]

Which it could since. Void

[balmy storm]

The tower from the start of the game, where the frames are left

[zenith jacinth]

Orokin tower, orokin temple, same difference

[balmy storm]

In Duviri the frames and middle platform are present but nothing else

or so it seems

[torpid lantern]

The retconned one?

[balmy storm]

No

[wraith sigil]

Maybe once the update drops we will find out, by looking up??

[balmy storm]

Good point

[zenith jacinth]

Maybe it's our operator's memories somehow affecting duviri

[balmy storm]

That’s only possible if our Operator is present
But in theory they should be since it’s the “two man paradox”

[torpid lantern]

This one?

[balmy storm]

Does anyone have a pic of the starter frame area?

[balmy storm]

Yes that one

Can you snag a pic of the inside? 🥺

[torpid lantern]

Ah, not used to people calling that a tower

[balmy storm]

It’s kinda towery

[wicked iron]

That does look strikingly similar to the tower of the Unum, seeing this picture of it as a still.

[torpid lantern]

It's the remains of one. More like a temple than a tower now

[rain otter]

I mean their are a lot of Orokin Towers

[balmy storm]

could be considered ruins even

[rain otter]

The Unum seems to be the only functioning one.

Or the last functioning one.

[balmy storm]

Iirc she is, the last of her kind 😔

[wicked iron]

The ones we go to in the Void tileset are also functioning.

[rain otter]

Those aren't towers in the same way

[wicked iron]

Though, they are also of a different and seemingly larger variety than the Unum.

[rain otter]

I.E. not the same shape

[balmy storm]

So it is the same area just. Different?

[rain otter]

And no Tower Meat

[wicked iron]

They might have meat, but we haven't really degloved any of them.

[balmy storm]

What does tower meat taste like?

[wicked iron]

There's something I never thought I'd say about a structure.

[balmy storm]

Cut into the tileset

[torpid lantern]

As far as i can tell it's the same

[rain otter]

Like towers on Venus and in the Earth Proxmia have werid tower meat that you can see.

In The Orb valid their is even a tower like dug into that Is all meat.

[torpid lantern]

Here's a thought

[balmy storm]

Duviri’s has some visual differences like weird. Idk what to call them, wirey things? Things that look like they belong more in Duviri and don’t seem present there, but if the Duviri one is further into the future it’s possible maybe?

[rain otter]

Also the Unum has no Love for the Orokin it seems which idk to me is the weirdest part.

[torpid lantern]

What if a broken tower petrifies into a stoneish material after time passes. If it was meat, it would just rot

[balmy storm]

They were jerks so. Understandable

[rain otter]

Then why the ones on Venus still wet and meaty?

Or at least one of them is.

[torpid lantern]

Climate

[balmy storm]

The cold could preserve the meat I guess..?

[torpid lantern]

It's freezing there. It could have been preserved by the cold

[balmy storm]

Or it’s just a different kind of building

[wicked iron]

If it's a person shoved into a building, like Cephalons are with computers effectively, could be that it either gained independence from them, or never cared for them at all.

[balmy storm]

It’s mildly worrying the Unum has control over time, or seemingly does in some way
I’m glad she’s hopefully on our side

[rain otter]

Probably the second thing. Also the Unum Cares enough about the Ostrons to tell then about the future. She didn't care about the Orokin enough to help them that way.

[wicked iron]

Yeah, definitely is interesting!

[torpid lantern]

I think it's less she controls time but more likely can see all times

[balmy storm]

She stopped time

[torpid lantern]

In New War?

[rain otter]

She froze time around her and disabled a Lotta Sentients

[wicked iron]

During The New War, yeah.

[balmy storm]

in a way that is control

[rain otter]

Yeah

It also seemed she was just waiting for the Tenno to come back.

[balmy storm]

Didn’t that have a greyscale effect too..?

[wicked iron]

Inb4 the tower starts screaming about demanding sacrifices for aiding us, or something.

[torpid lantern]

Hmmm

[wicked iron]

[rain otter]

More blue not Grey scale

[zenith jacinth]

There's some tiles where you can see what's behind those white-golden walls, and it looks a lot like circuits and stuff

[balmy storm]

Was it? I thought it was pretty grey

[rain otter]

I'll have to look

[torpid lantern]

Do we know if she froze time beyond just her immediate area

[balmy storm]

Either way, maybe tampering with time in major ways leaves a sort of “mark” on reality?
I mean. That’d make sense

[balmy storm]

I don’t think so, she may have frozen the Murex though which might include outside of her technically?

[torpid lantern]

I ask because we have Warframes that can do this

[balmy storm]

we have like 2 time tamperers

I demand more time tamperers

[rain otter]

That's very blue @balmy storm

[torpid lantern]

And Zariman can slow things down

[balmy storm]

Weird, when I watched my friend it was all grey

[torpid lantern]

Sorry

ZENURIK

[balmy storm]

Got real confused there for a sec lol

[zenith jacinth]

Nah, the zariman can slow stuff down

[rain otter]

It's mostly blue on the edges and the sky

[balmy storm]

It’s clear the void can somehow manipulate time

[balmy storm]

I wonder if that would make timeline stuff easier or harder

[rain otter]

We still know almost nothing about the Unum but it is fun that we know for sure she can talk and that we saw the inside of the tower

[torpid lantern]

I still think she can't control time like actual everywhere. Otherwise she could have frozen that sentient in a time bubble to save Gara

[balmy storm]

yeah the Unum’s time freeze is more an overall desaturation

[torpid lantern]

I think it's more like her ability to disable weapons around her. Like she has a small radius she can controk

[wicked iron]

Unless there's a reason it chose not to. Given it lets Quills do suicide missions... I feel there's something slightly sinister at play.

[balmy storm]

Same, but she can control it to some degree within her walls at the least

[rain otter]

Except for her specific like blue streaks and stuff.

[balmy storm]

Her energy?

[torpid lantern]

But Unum loved Gara deeply. More than anyone. If she was ever going to, it would've been then

[rain otter]

Sure.

[zenith jacinth]

And the most underwhelming bifröst ever

[rain otter]

Onko loved Saya more than anything but it was best for her to go with Konzu

[wicked iron]

In honesty, I don't think I quite trust the Unum, given what we know about it. XD

[zenith jacinth]

The unum seems nice

[balmy storm]

It’s hard to tell, either way it’s a desaturation and so is Duviri which is in a constant loop
The loss of color and time have some connection here I swear I’m not crazy

[balmy storm]

I wanna give her a hug

[zenith jacinth]

I wanna give cavalero a hug, he clearly needs it

[balmy storm]

She knows all
She knows you don’t trust her
Lock your orbiter

[torpid lantern]

I don't see anything she's done to warrant distrust. She guards and protects the Ostrons and has been benevolent

[balmy storm]

Worst thing she’s “done” is let Quills die but they go into the job dying willingly so idk if that’s really her, more just the path they’re on I guess?

[torpid lantern]

And everyone dies in thr warframe world. Sad though it is, the world is absolutely brutal

Like Veso

[wicked iron]

Teko?

[torpid lantern]

Too sooooooon

[balmy storm]

Vebo?

[wicked iron]

[balmy storm]

I can’t wait for the corpus friend update in febuary where Veso comes back from the dead after making a deal with wally to never use the plinx again

[torpid lantern]

I really did like Veso a lot. He was very brave

[balmy storm]

His story is one of my favorites from the new war

I kinda hope we get something about him in the future, but idek what or how considering we never even knew him-

[torpid lantern]

I still wonder what Lotus' arrangement with MITW is. She super shouldn't have lent him a hand

[zenith jacinth]

The quills can see the timelines and futures too, they know exactly what they have to do. If one dies, it's because it has to happen

[balmy storm]

I feel like he more so took it to mock us

[torpid lantern]

Oh does anyone know which hand lotus lost? Left or Right

[zenith jacinth]

Right

[balmy storm]

I feel like the timeline of her hand is
Cut off
Wally gets it
Makes our deal
Drops it in duviri
Drifter puts it back onto Lotus
Then leaves Duviri

[balmy storm]

She has it back when we see her in the Operator chair

And I doubt that’s from regenerating it considering she’s super dying

[zenith jacinth]

I notice a lurker

[naive warren]

I’m intrigued

[wicked iron]

Might have come back from the first Shard's regeneration.

[graceful zodiac]

I mean, she likely didn't make a deal with him in the first place. The Void Portal didn't actually close, she more so just stopped Praghasa from feeding it

[balmy storm]

It’s there before then, checked

[wicked iron]

Ah, interesting.

Oh derp.

Obvious answer is Drifter in Duviri having it, finding her, giving it back before coming to realspace.

[balmy storm]

Considering Drifter finds it and they are caring for her after she mysteriously disappeared I feel like we’ll be seeing Lotus in Duviri and giving her hand back

[wicked iron]

Guess we'll see in the update if that's the case. 😄

[balmy storm]

It’s either all that or they forgot when modeling her eidolon body lmao

In which case she has a spare hand lying around somewhere
or nowhere

[torpid lantern]

I wasn't wondering about the timeline. I was curious if her fight with MITW affected the same hand. It's different though

[balmy storm]

Ah

[torpid lantern]

But something definitely happened because her other hahd wasn't smoking after protecting the Tenno and she moves it like it hurts

[steady gate]

I’m very certain she got a Deal from Wally, because she (poorly) denies seeing him

[graceful zodiac]

Well, that hand was channeling far more energy than the other hand

[zenith jacinth]

She went full korg on wally and said "Muck off ghost!"

[balmy storm]

Something more def happened in that scene

[torpid lantern]

Ahhha

[balmy storm]

I feel like Wally is one of the voices in her head and she won’t tell us

[cyan crest]

Not necessarily a deal but if something's something, then she's hiding one finger in the new war end screen

[torpid lantern]

What?

[zenith jacinth]

Huh?

[balmy storm]

Can’t we just look at her radiant model to see if she has all her fingers

[cyan crest]

In that end screen you get with the Narmer defeated text and Lotus reborn stuff, where it shows your Lotus
One of her fingers is curled in one of her hands

[obtuse gyro]

Smh lotus aint even shake wally's hand she aint got no deals

[balmy storm]

Is it the same finger wally lost?

[cyan crest]

I mean he lost several

[obtuse gyro]

Need to show a picture homie

[cyan crest]

It's when the camera slides around her, I cannot get on my switch but I'll try to look on the internet for the right angle

[obtuse gyro]

The big wally was missing one visually, even if he did lose multiple before, this wall form missed out one (and by intention since the other wally clones arent missing fingers)

[balmy storm]

I thought he only lost the one, the one that got cloned

[wicked iron]

I thought I saw two missing from the big one. An index and a thumb.

On two different hands.

[torpid lantern]

I counted all her fingers and theyre there

[cyan crest]

It's stated by Albrecht and Yonta that there are multiple

[graceful zodiac]

His upper left hand was missing the index finger

[wicked iron]

And I think upper right the thumb, no?

[cyan crest]

I'm not saying she's missing one in saying she's curling one

[torpid lantern]

Yonta said they made copies

[balmy storm]

I thought that was in reference to the cloned fingers
Not that there were more of Wally cut off

[cyan crest]

Yonta says originals

[graceful zodiac]

Well no, his upper right, left from our perspective

[zenith jacinth]

There are multiple originals

[balmy storm]

That could be sus

[graceful zodiac]

Wally has only ever shown 1 missing finger

[torpid lantern]

Where is this said?

[balmy storm]

So there are both multiple originals and copies?

[cyan crest]

Albrecht said fingers and Yonta said orignals

[zenith jacinth]

Quest

[torpid lantern]

Quest

That doesn't narrow it down xD

[obtuse gyro]

Wasnt it left side of our screen thus right hand?

[cyan crest]

Albrecht logs and quest, when cavalero is asking Yonta about the fingers
Both say it in a very distinct plural

[graceful zodiac]

It's not the quest, it's just the Void Flood mission

[balmy storm]

And those two are probably as trustworthy as we can get for wally finger info other than the man himself-
So there are bo clones..?

[torpid lantern]

Then why is he visibly only missing one?

[cyan crest]

it's in the quest only in Armageddon -_-

[balmy storm]

There being multiple of the original could actually make sense if they’re all just different timeline versions of the same finger, like when we watch our operator die in different ways
But instead of dead kids it’s multiple of the same finger?

[cyan crest]

He is a known shapeshifter and I think it was tennocon where they said that that form is constructed, not the original

[balmy storm]

I’m so sorry if that was more confusing than it needed to be

[balmy storm]

I hope they bring back that big space hand form in some way

[cyan crest]

Albrecht just says various fingers got cut

[zenith jacinth]

I wonder if he even has a true form

[obtuse gyro]

Digits and all that

[balmy storm]

Oh
So I’m probably just overcomplicating and Wally just shapeshifted more fingers lol

[torpid lantern]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/c/ce/WarframeManInTheWallTrueForm.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20211217162151

[cyan crest]

Ngl his true form is probably not a literal man in a wall

[balmy storm]

I hope it isn’t

As funny as it is I want to see how wild they can go with our eldritch void pal

[torpid lantern]

It's only one and while this isn't the final form, when you see him in the rj, he again displays one missing finger

[balmy storm]

So there are no cloned fingers?

[cyan crest]

Again, Albrecht and Yonta say fingers in plural
The former having literally witnessed the event

[torpid lantern]

Also Albrecht is blind so how many fingers did he see

[zenith jacinth]

He wasn't always blind

[balmy storm]

At least 1

wait albrecht is blind?

[hexed ember]

thought he was blinded by the experience itself

[torpid lantern]

He is at that point. He says he can't see or speak

[zenith jacinth]

He got blinded after/by his misadventure

[north trail]

Sentences like that are the reason to like warframe lore

[balmy storm]

So in that moment he was but not permanently

[torpid lantern]

I swear i heard them say on stream there was clones

[balmy storm]

I feel like I overcomplicated it too much but who knows lol

[torpid lantern]

I have to figure out when this was discussed

[zenith jacinth]

Kinda hard to tell if a character is blind when their eyes are white by default

[zenith jacinth]

It was permanent iirc

[torpid lantern]

It's during AoZ they talk about the finger

[balmy storm]

I mean, I kinda found it hard to believe the Orokin could clone any part of whatever Wally is
That is to say if Wally didn’t want them to

[torpid lantern]

But i don't remember if it was tennocon or a devstream

[north trail]

Hmmm wait

[balmy storm]

Dang, Albrecht is cool

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[cyan crest]

Cavalero asks how many fingers are there
Yonta says that there are less than there were before, and only if the originals are sealed

[north trail]

Did wally construct that form in tnw because we know him as mitw or is that the form rell saw

[balmy storm]

Watch the cloned finger theory be a Mandela effect lol

[zenith jacinth]

He making fun of the most common name for him

[balmy storm]

Constructed form, as far as we know we haven’t seen his true form

[torpid lantern]

It's not a theory though. But how many MITW lost originally is nebulous

[balmy storm]

Does anyone else get lonely vibes from wally btw
At least during chains of harrow something about him felt lonely

[cyan crest]

I'm gonna get in the transcript please don't change topic while I'm gone

[balmy storm]

Imagine losing infinite fingers

[zenith jacinth]

Too late

[torpid lantern]

Yeah, lonely enough to steal our souls

[balmy storm]

Let’s keep talking about the fingers

[north trail]

It's weird to think we went from space robot suit ninjas to cross timeline shapeshifting paradoxical severed fingers

[zenith jacinth]

You're gonna start feeling lonely if you were imprisoned in one spot for who knows how long

[balmy storm]

He didn’t steal our soul
He became our forever friend until we too succumb and perish so that he may be freed

[graceful zodiac]

Not at all. Chains of Harrow is him fully leaning into Dr. Facilier vibes

[north trail]

Well apparently he was in duviri

[balmy storm]

True

[torpid lantern]

googling

[north trail]

And there's at least 1 more void entity in duviri

[zenith jacinth]

What

[balmy storm]

We don’t know that for certain at all

[north trail]

Wait

Is this also mandella effect

I swear they said he was in duviri

[balmy storm]

We don’t even know if there are any void entities in Duviri technically
I mean there probably are, it is probably the void

[torpid lantern]

Yes we do. The art team said it

[zenith jacinth]

No, that's just you misremembering

[balmy storm]

What’d they say exactly
Or as exact as you can be lol

[torpid lantern]

Why do i keep getting asked this xD

It's like a daily question

[zenith jacinth]

Charge yer phone

[balmy storm]

This makes me think they did clone them but also have multiple originals

[north trail]

That makes me think that if they aren't sealed away they'd clone by themselves

[torpid lantern]

This was the exact quote from the art team about MITW's appearance at the end of the New War
"We wanted to tie it closer to how the void represents duviri and things you see there."

[north trail]

Yeah it's also

[cyan crest]

It's literally what the line implies

[north trail]

Black and white

Like a certain realm within the void

[torpid lantern]

In other words, he came from there. Idk if he lived there but at the end of nw, MITW leaves Duviri

[balmy storm]

So I nailed understanding it, nice

[zenith jacinth]

Or like stone.

[thick jolt]

Could just be he is aware of duviri
Not necessarily came from there

[balmy storm]

Wait at the end he’s LEAVING Duviri???

[balmy ice]

When do you see him in railjack

I don’t remember this

[cyan crest]

When you put the key

[balmy ice]

What key

[cyan crest]

You have to have completed war within for it happen

[torpid lantern]

That's what it is implied. They open a void portal, everything goes duviri greyscale and the adt team says MITW is intended to look like Duviri.

I can't imagine any other way to interpret that

[thick jolt]

The railjacks key

[obtuse gyro]

something punched through the Albrecht membrane and it sure wasnt the zariman

[north trail]

After the rising tide quest in the weird post quest thing

[cyan crest]

The key you need for it to work

[balmy ice]

ls it a bonus action?

[balmy storm]

So we very well may have fallen into Duviri with space mom after the stabbing

Same portal
Just sayin’

[balmy ice]

Time for a new journey

[torpid lantern]

Well actually, Ballas opened duviri

[cyan crest]

It's something you need to do to be able to use the Railjack

[balmy ice]

Still excited for Duvuri to be a bridge or to be tau. We need a new solar system

[balmy storm]

What if the two man paradox is about wally, not us

[torpid lantern]

The Zariman is plugging the hole but if you look at the skybox, you can see Duviri

[north trail]

Cy takes you to the reliquary, says some of his philosophical stuff, you touch the reliquary and go to lua, get the key, and when you return to put it in the drive he's there iirc

[balmy storm]

I don’t think it’ll bridge us to tau

And I really doubt the void is tau lol

[graceful zodiac]

It's fully unrelated to Tau

[north trail]

I'm convinced we're going to tau but I don't think duviri is the bridge to it

[balmy ice]

I feel like it should open up opportunities to get to tau

Yonta speaks about being able to reach Tau in one go

[north trail]

Imo if anything pazuul is the biggest reason we have so far for tau

[balmy storm]

The Zariman opens up opportunities, not Duviri

[torpid lantern]

This is all part of why I think MITW is Dominus Thrax

[obtuse gyro]

Aint gonna call a pitstop a bridge

[balmy storm]

I still can’t shake the feeling he’s more related to the Zariman than we think

[torpid lantern]

Duviri puts the pit in pitstop

[balmy ice]

Soon we’ll find out

[balmy storm]

Duviri’s pits lead into the void

Worst pit ever
Or best?

[obtuse gyro]

My personal hope is that Dominus is the Void manifestation of all the lost childhood of the tenno

[north trail]

Duviri puts the "giant flying orokin worm" in pitstop

[obtuse gyro]

Would tie into why the people mistake drifter for dominus

[torpid lantern]

Oh for sure. I mean, his ugly face is painted all over the walls

[thick jolt]

I would be disapointed if that was it

[balmy ice]

Good then i’ll stab him.

[balmy storm]

That’s actually not that bad of a theory-
Could potentially explain his love for the orokin too, their love and innocence of that morphed into Thrax

[balmy ice]

Gimme my childhood back Dominus

[north trail]

It works but wally shapeshifting could explain the drifter thing

Could be that the only time they've seen him in a human form without a mask is him coming back from impersonating us

[torpid lantern]

DE said we know this person so void controlling, evil, tempertantrum throwing kid kinda puts a limit on who it could be

[balmy ice]

I feel like Dominus being the man in the wall makes more sense

[balmy storm]

I mean more like they were a child aboard the ship
If there’s weird time stuff almost anything is possible

[balmy ice]

-Always looks like the person viewing him so Dominus wears a mask to define his identity

[north trail]

Brb imma go listen to the chains of harrow diorama

[balmy storm]

Who’s the Stranger tho

[torpid lantern]

But Albrecht knew them

[balmy ice]

I was hoping the stranger is 3rd operator

[torpid lantern]

And removes all the eyes of his subjects

[balmy ice]

Exactly so it’s probably not shapeshifting but more he wants to define his appearance as the mask

[north trail]

Can confirm, my headphones are still stereo

[balmy storm]

True…
I could maybe see weird time stuff to make that work but I’m not sure if that’s in their power lol

[wicked iron]

It could also be a Tuvul who lost it, or some other person we've met who had a different version of themselves get stuck in the Void and be doing all the stuff in Duviri. So many possibilities. Can't wait to find out! I just hope not a different version of Ballas.... XD

[balmy ice]

Plus he controls the duvuri void unless he’s the man in the wall who else does that

[balmy storm]

I theorize a tenno could, who knows what we’re really capable of

[wicked iron]

Vor seems to have some sort of Void powers.

[balmy ice]

If it’s ballas im gonna stab him again

[torpid lantern]

Tuvul would have to have gotten in the void somehow

[balmy storm]

Vor is Thrax but he used Kuva to get a child body
Totally works lol

[north trail]

Tbh imagine if de actually does the vor lore after all this time

"i told you tenno, this is the power of my janus key"

[balmy storm]

If Thrax is Wally then why would they have an obsession with the orokin? Or be curious what’s out there if they already knew?

[balmy ice]

Maybe vors leader is instead Dominus

[jagged crane]

Lol the rly should since the new opening cinematic - as amazing as it is - removes the lore of the old one

[balmy ice]

He does say we’re following an imposter

[balmy storm]

I kinda hope Vor comes back in Duviri somehow lol, he’d make a good Thrax unit tbh

he’s already got that void zombie vibe too

[north trail]

Ngl I'd love it

[balmy storm]

Thrax Vor when?

[north trail]

Maybe he appears in the frame islands

[hexed ember]

With the way he acts, I don’t have think he is mitw simply because he is not nearly confident/smug enough…

[balmy ice]

Warframe: Return of Vor

Bum bum buum buum

[north trail]

Imagine vor appears in duviri and that is what triggers our ability to use transference

[balmy storm]

I don’t think he can be mitw since thrax doesn’t know what’s outside duviri

[north trail]

And then he puts an ascaris on us like the good ol times

[balmy ice]

The man in the wall in our previous encounters is after Dominus

[torpid lantern]

Mitw himself tried to get out when he met Albrecht but was stopped. Then he made a deal with the Tenno and Rell held his void projection back. So far his really self has always been stuck in the void. Ballas was the first person to open a hole big enough and long enough to let him out

[balmy storm]

What if Thrax is just someone we’ve never met but has met Wally

[balmy ice]

Like he is created by us releasing the Duvuri paradox

[zenith jacinth]

"Wait... I know this guy!"
New ability: transference

[north trail]

Lmao imagine if when you get your frames in duviri you only get flawed mods in the whole game until the cycle ends

[balmy storm]

Maybe? I’m just not sure I can see it really working, I do think they know eachother for sure though

[torpid lantern]

Also Thrax never indicated he was obsessed with Orokin.

[balmy ice]

From my understanding we don’t get frames at all

[wicked iron]

The right arm and aesthetic thing was indicated to be something with the Orokin, I think DE said.

[balmy ice]

Drifter doesn’t have his void powers yet

[hexed ember]

That as well, and… he doesn’t have enough void power/power in general. He has his own playground, but nothing to the extent we’ve seen mitw do things to. Like, we are also using void magic to ESCAPE duviri, too

[north trail]

It was mentioned in an interview some islands let us use frames (probably the starter 3 from the looks of it)

[balmy storm]

Fake long arm, blue face masks, bombastine, there’s some connection there

[graceful zodiac]

You do. Frame use will just be limited

[balmy ice]

Oh okay

Well in any case

[north trail]

• fake long arm
• blue face mask
• orokin

That's just the myrmidon theory all over again

[balmy storm]

I can’t wait for the giant chart that shows the timeline of everyone and everything in duviri

[torpid lantern]

Oh for sure! And the thrax look like Grineer. But they're all not quite right. And it doesn't indicate obsession, just similarities.

[balmy storm]

You forgot bombastine

[cyan crest]

They said they were warframe friendly so those few will probably leave us use them

[hexed ember]

It kinda feels like wally helped send the hand down in the first place, but less certainty on that

[north trail]

Ngl de played us well at tennocon

[balmy ice]

I like how everything weaves together
Void Grandpa lets MITW out temporarily triggering our deal. Rell holds him back, and coincidentally Drifter doesnt get full void powers til after we meet.

[cyan crest]

who invited the Stranger to a Spiral party
Nobody is gonna get that reference

[jagged crane]

If Thrax doesn’t know what’s outside Duvir then they wouldn’t know the orokin

[north trail]

I was 100% convinced bombastine was the myrmidon and then they disprove that at the fricking art panel

[balmy ice]

Kahl upgrade when

[balmy storm]

I think the Thrax units are meant to be the old handsome grineer units, iirc one had an Aoelak in a trailer, but that just makes me even more confused cause I’m not even sure Grineer like that or those weapons were aboard the Zariman..

[balmy storm]

Same lmao

[jagged crane]

Grineer would make sense to be on the Zariman actually, as slave maintenance crews

[balmy storm]

Still hoping we see the jadelight, it should in theory be in Duviri’s zariman if it hasn’t been taken

[torpid lantern]

Unless they explored the Zariman. It contains plenty of pictures and archives on orokin. Being in control of everything in Duviri, Thrax can create and change at whim

[balmy storm]

But Grineer like that?

[hexed ember]

Myrmidon of loss?

[jagged crane]

The undiseased ones? Yeah, they’d be orokin-era, before the disease

[torpid lantern]

Myrmidon was just a machine anywhos

[balmy storm]

Using the Zariman to create a fake reality actually makes a lot of sense tbh, could explain why Thrax uses that name, why they have the arm and the mask, really just everything about them
It’s like looking at our own history in a weird snapshot and recreating it in our own weird way

[hexed ember]

I think he means… militarized ones.

[jagged crane]

You can give anyone a gun and make them military if you want to

[balmy storm]

I mean. I guess
But what about the weapons? Wasn’t the Zariman only fitted with ceremonial stuff?

[jagged crane]

The operator/drifter in the Duviri reveal trailer had a shotgun

[balmy storm]

The Aoelak specifically has only been seen one other time and that’s during the Tenno’s revolt against the Orokin

[torpid lantern]

Also the horses came from the Zariman so Thrax incorporated stuff he found there

[balmy storm]

True

[jagged crane]

Aoelak is also a Zariman reward

[balmy storm]

Can’t forget Thrax’s name
No way that’s their actual name
No way.

[balmy storm]

Yeah
Because the Thrax Units have them, same with Hespar

[jagged crane]

For all we know the Zariman had weapon blueprints and then Thrax had them built

[balmy storm]

True, that’s a possibility

Weird the Orokin would send blueprints for weapons though

Considering the only given weapons were ceremonial

[jagged crane]

Or the Aeolak was something already in Duvir before the Zariman got there

[balmy storm]

Wasn’t the laetum a paint gun?

[balmy storm]

But we know the Orokin era Grineer used it
So how could that be possible?

[hexed ember]

Also… distinct, militarized , armored grineer under the control of colonists to do the field work would seem.. contradictory to how that stuff seemed to be managed, and how the orokin talked about zariman before and after

[jagged crane]

It’s a paradox, it could hold some amount of parallel’s to our world, where they have some of the same things we do and have come up with some of the same stuff we have

[balmy storm]

The gun paradox

[jagged crane]

Better name

[balmy storm]

Didn’t Cavelaro say the grineer aboard were lazier than the ones we deal with now?

[supple dagger]

I’m betting that Thrax just calls himself that to pretend like he’s the actual thrax monster that was mentioned in the Styanax Leverian

[hexed ember]

I don’t remember him mentioning grineer at all

[balmy storm]

My thoughts exactly!

[gloomy pelican]

What operator amps should I get from the quills?

[hexed ember]

Raplak is a good part

[jagged crane]

What’d be really funny is if the holdfasts are just dumb and didn’t know there was a whole cargohold full of weapons that they just weren’t told about

[balmy storm]

Considering that’s a children’s story from orokin times Thrax either looked at the Zariman and just copied it or is from the Zariman

[wicked iron]

I believe it was they didn't have the type camaraderie that Grineer of the present have.

[gloomy pelican]

Oops I meant operator arcanes

[balmy storm]

That sounds more like what he said, thanks

[hexed ember]

Was that cavelaro comment not about the aggressiveness of the thrax themselves, not grineer from way back on the ship?

[jagged crane]

Which makes a lot of sense rly, they won’t revolt against the Orokin if they aren’t able to coordinate with each other as easily as modern grineer do

[balmy storm]

I don’t think the holdfasts say too much about the thrax units other than void manifestations and all that

or surprised we can kill it?
Idk

[hexed ember]

Remember them calling them ancient, brutal or somethinf

[balmy storm]

I wonder if clone rot is the cause for the defection gene then

[balmy ice]

Not to mention even now only a few grineer have camaraderie most just only follow the queens

[jagged crane]

Yeah it seems their loyalty gene is either to the queens or to their brothers, not both

Kahl moment

[balmy storm]

To others in general, not just their fellow clones

SE fights to protect many colonies, not sure how many of those are Grineer

Especially considering they technically have shorter lives

[hexed ember]

they also refer to thrax as.. interlopers

[jagged crane]

That’s not rly a very specific term

Just means they get in the way

[balmy storm]

They are just kinda generally invading so

“Invading”

More just appearing so I can get some free standing

[hexed ember]

yes but i mean, I don't think it would fit for them being corrupted grineer from the ship itself

[jagged crane]

Wait you get standing from Thrax?

[balmy storm]

I mean focus

[jagged crane]

Oh

[round ermine]

clone rot? Just copious amounts of copying - same thing what happens to ye olde VHS tapes

[balmy storm]

Focus is the standing of ourselves

[supple dagger]

Yo guys what's a good face to mix with operator visage 22?

[jagged crane]

Faction of Me

[balmy storm]

I wonder if Kahl-176 is doin’ okay

[balmy storm]

You get it!

[cyan crest]

He's dead on some floor

[hexed ember]

no idea i get all the faces confuddled together

[supple dagger]

No matter what I do my operator ugly 💀

[balmy storm]

[hexed ember]

the fate of all operators

[round ermine]

mine's pretty 😄

[hexed ember]

also wasn't kahl 176 the body oyu get the jetpack from in veilbreaker

[balmy storm]

rip Kahl-176, may you rest in probably pieces

[balmy storm]

I know that was a Kahl but idk the number

[jagged crane]

My Op and Drifter face look great tbh

[balmy storm]

I thought it was like 246 but I’m probably very wrong lol

[round ermine]

drifter ... yea... ew

[balmy storm]

I just wish Drifter had more cosmetic options, I can only do so much with what I got

[jagged crane]

Kahl-177… The Master Chief

[balmy storm]

I almost wish I picked up harrow prime accessories lol

[round ermine]

they should do quality pass on the textures, IMO

[hexed ember]

I think the drifter is much easier to make a good face on that operator, operators all get weird googly eyes and overly round noses

[round ermine]

some bits and bobs are LEGOs

[jagged crane]

Duviri should bring more drifter cosmetics and tbh that’s what I’m most excited for

[balmy storm]

Same

I hope it can maybe bring some new hair styles too

[jagged crane]

I’m a sucker for a game with a crap ton of personal customization

[hexed ember]

the facial accessories don't fit right on drifter 😭

[balmy storm]

My friend got a bug where one of the mouth masks for drifter was in the complete wrong spot
But only during tnw lol

[hexed ember]

tempted to get the drifter grineer set at this rate

[balmy storm]

Same, that’s why I love warframe so much
Everything is customizable!

[hexed ember]

warframe's coloring system is one of the better ones out there

[jagged crane]

I have a male and female drifter that look fine

[hexed ember]

not necessarily the best, but much better than average

[balmy storm]

Duviri isn’t til at least December, do it if you got the plat

[round ermine]

@balmy storm fashionframe, but still could do better

[jagged crane]

Do it, it’s the best for Drifter and makes them look so much better

I do drifter grineer everything except hood and vest which are just normal drifter

[onyx shore]

i managed to make my drifter look fairly good

mixed the default and grineer outfits and bam

[hexed ember]

i've been convinced..

[balmy storm]

I think Drifter’s face looks better cause ~~ children are ugly~~ DE knew what they were doing more this time

[round ermine]

@balmy storm bah, not true

[onyx shore]

male drifter faces are mostly looking like they are one foot in a grave

[balmy storm]

the second part is

[jagged crane]

Tbh it just doesn’t feel right for me to play a child lol, and im not even that much older than the Operators are

[wicked iron]

I can't get my Drifter's face to look how I want. 😦 I settled on something for now, but I hope we get some more customization options so I can get him looking more how I want later lol

[round ermine]

@balmy storm that especially isn't XD

[onyx shore]

they ugly and look old af

[jagged crane]

They’re supposed to

[balmy storm]

Wym, they clearly had a better grasp of how to make a face

[onyx shore]

bruh they literally look like grandpa

[jagged crane]

Also ugly is a matter of perception, ugly to you might be beautiful to me

[balmy storm]

To me they’re much higher quality of a face compared to Operator
That being said they both still look amazing (if you get the blend right)

[round ermine]

@balmy storm kinda-sorta, but I'd wear a paper bag on any you can make a drifter out of

[plain knot]

😔 was hoping for a third tauforged...

[jagged crane]

Nah

[onyx shore]

and some of the faces have enormous lips

like wtf

[balmy storm]

bruh I still need 1

[plain knot]

i got insanely lucky the first two weeks lmao

[onyx shore]

i dont even know if my shards are normal or tau forged basically dont care

[round ermine]

@plain knotyou spent your luck for the next year with that.

[balmy storm]

I’m bummed I have to wait a whole week til I can upgrade Kahl’s camp so in another week I can buy a dumb shard that probably won’t be tau forhed anyway

I need more blue and red gummy shards for Xaku

[wicked iron]

We're supposed to see Grineer about the camp, aside from Kahl, aren't we?

[distant crater]

Mmmm kahl look good

[balmy storm]

Next week and the week after

A scorpion and another I forgot

[onyx shore]

wish the people in the camp would just wander around

[round ermine]

grineer are my best target dummies, also best pals - I don't like 'm milkcarton wearing Corpus anyway XD

[distant crater]

Im saving my stuff for that ephemera

[onyx shore]

instead of being stationary

[balmy storm]

Or be more useful beyond dialogue

[onyx shore]

this too

[balmy storm]

I have everything so I can save for just shards

[onyx shore]

too little stuff to buy from chipper

[balmy storm]

I want to give the soup guy ingredients for soup!

[round ermine]

yah, they need some "utility" beyond just chit-chat

which in itself is a-ok the "1st" time, but ...

[balmy storm]

Beyond random chit-chat
Let me interact at the least

[balmy ice]

Technically winter can be classified as November or October as well

At least where I am at

[round ermine]

if nothing else, they cold come up with a chat-bot, with a smithreen of AI, to kill time XD

[balmy storm]

November and October are Autumn

[balmy storm]

Are you near canada? Cause if you are maybe DE shares that belief 👀

[balmy ice]

Yes im in north dakota

[balmy storm]

Though December is probably better for them anyway since more development time

[round ermine]

november - march = winter

[onyx shore]

how come is november autumn

[balmy storm]

winter is December to march

[onyx shore]

its winteerrr

[round ermine]

@balmy stormnot at Alaska latitude XD

[balmy storm]

Have they said stuff would come in winter and it released before December before?

[round ermine]

where I am, we already had night temps below freezing shrug

[balmy storm]

Here winter starts on the 21st of December but I both doubt and would hope with every fiber of my being they won’t release it then
Duviri is gonna be massive, they need time to hotfix before vacation

[supple dagger]

Can I rewatch cutscenes without restarting a quest?

[balmy storm]

Youtube

[wicked iron]

Only the opening cinematic in-game. Otherwise, like Ducky said. 😛

[balmy storm]

The prelude to war stuff tho

those technically count kinda

[wicked iron]

True.

[balmy storm]

Also nightwave but idk if that’s a quest exactly

[round ermine]

a bit odd that you can't rewatch them ingame, as YT is [garbage]

[balmy storm]

I wish you could play certain parts of quests or just completely deactivate a quest after you already played it

I would love to replay parts of the new war but I also don’t want to spend hours to do so

[round ermine]

speaking of garbage, one of my many tabs [live streams etc] said "you're offline, check your network" - I was like "WTF, everything else streams fine - YT, wake up?"

mysterious are the ways of YT ...

one tab fails while others keep streaming line nothing happened

[balmy ice]

I wish people would sell prime parts cheaper so I could complete sets to build

[onyx shore]

grind

can't selll cheaper cuz i need forma bundles 🥴

[hollow totem]

why red vail hunting kavor ?

is it possible kahl will lead the kavor ? they are also a grineer defector that not base on steel merid

[wicked iron]

Veil are kind of... Crazy. They just want everything to burn, basically. Not sure at all why we can ally them. XD

[distant crater]

MMMMM KAHL LOOK GOOD

[steep delta]

yep

[muted kestrel]

so am I the only person that thinks Rell is autistic?

[rain otter]

No

He is supposed to be.

[muted kestrel]

Knew it

[frozen rune]

Unlike me who focused on dragons he focused on keeping the void at bay.

[muted kestrel]

I really wish he didn't have to die cause I would have liked for him to be a bigger part of the story and a npc to talk to at a red veil camp

But sadly we couldn't have that ☹️

[strange onyx]

Yeah I THOUGHT he was that, he gave me the vibes of one

Then you learn the Red Veil hates everything

[muted kestrel]

Exactly like the second the second he started talk and doing that card game I was like yep definitely autistic

[hollow radish]

I mean if anyone's going to do one thing and one thing alone for an extreme length of time, which I say as someone with an ASD diagnosis...

[supple dagger]

We need better drifter faces bruh

[obtuse gyro]

holding back wally was his hyperfixation huh

[hollow radish]

I mean it's more of a mindset than mutually inclusive with special interests TBH

[hollow radish]

Yeaaaaaaah. The lighting on them is better than operator faces, but the facial shape feels... Off.

[supple dagger]

I agree

[zenith jacinth]

The red veil is barely related to him in any way besides them sorta worshipping harrow tbh

[hollow radish]

I mean they worshipped him as a religious figure, harrow was just his frame of choice that he transferred his soul into long-term to keep fighting Wally.

As per orokin continuity, rather than standard transference.

I'm just not really sure what kind of figure, because we don't have that much information on syndicate beliefs outside of quests and some broad strokes statements.

I'd say out of all of them, we probably know the least about the Arbiters of Hexis and Cephalon Suda. Granted, the latter is a bit more straightforward in her priorities and the main mystery with her is how she rationalizes having combat capable members when she hates destruction.

[zenith jacinth]

Suda hates detruction of important knowledge more than destruction in general

[zenith jacinth]

It was transference tho

[hollow radish]

Fair enough. Somewhat, "What if Brainiac of DC comics wasn't an absolute monster?" I take it, in regards to Cephalon Suda.

[hollow radish]

Oh, right. The term, "Transference loop" comes to mind.

Also, a fun fact: The Suda is the earliest encyclopedia we have on record, a Byzantine tome.

Or certainly one of the earliest ones.

[muted kestrel]

Did grendel get his own mission?

[wild wind]

Nope. Closest we have is the beacons.

[supple dagger]

Is the durvi paradox only gonna be about the drifter? Or more operator content too?

I pray for the day we get better drifter faces

[frozen rune]

Hints suggest Drifter focus

[desert lintel]

Drifter wersions of operator clothing would be cool
I wanna have smelter and that dax armor on my drifter

[steep delta]

What Dax armor?

[frozen rune]

Have you seen the Steel Path honors shop? It's in there

[wild wind]

Took forever to craft

[frozen rune]

Like everything

[wild wind]

Feels worse somehow, mostly the 25 cells per item

[frozen rune]

I had plenty laying around when I finally built it...then got disappointed it wasn't drifter compatible

[wild wind]

Oh, I was in the middle of a rush to raise my MR