spoiler-chat

[balmy storm]

LOL

Welcome to Warframe

[untold hound]

i have distroy the monster in the cahl thing but the hp is not away, am i in a glitch?

i have give up because i was stuck in the game

[obtuse gyro]

Nah you didnt destroy it, it just clipped through the floor

[untold hound]

how?

[obtuse gyro]

Void magicks, just run the mission again and you should be fine

[untold hound]

if there was no glitch i have get so much points, it was the best run jet

i have found the tools and i have do it in time so i have lost 50 points

[balmy storm]

You can do the challenges separately, you don’t have to do everything in 15 minutes, just do the mission again

[untold hound]

this was the run where i have want to do it in 15 minutes and i have found the tool box in the run so that's why i'm so upset about it

[weak zealot]

Pazuul is just Erra turned furry

[naive warren]

Pazuul isn’t furry really it’s basically Erra, sentient body and a solid ram head

I only see metal and demon energy

[swift pond]

Must be Scandinavian metal

[balmy storm]

You dont have to do it all in one single go though

[untold hound]

i just have found one tool box in the run

[balmy storm]

It’d be like sticking a real ram’s head onto your body but the ram can talk and has control

[weak zealot]

Where his real head?

[naive warren]

Burned with Praghasa?

[weak zealot]

consumed

[balmy storm]

Removed

[solar palm]

deleted

[weak zealot]

Is Erra Edible?

[balmy storm]

Are sentients in general edible
Probably not

[naive warren]

Praghasa just gave Erra a head

[weak zealot]

Erra turned furry

[naive warren]

You would break every tooth

This massive sentient mothership somehow possessed Erra to turn into an animal

And you want to eat Pazuul?

Go ahead, I don’t know what side effects you’ll have

[crimson river]

Indigestion and your stomach will start talking about taking over sol

[shy spindle]

spoiler question for a mission ||there's a laser fence in kahl's missions, how do i go past it||

[unique jetty]

You can't
If you want music piece, then it's a jumping puzzle

[glass mesa]

I hate jumping puzzles, got a vid for it?

[unique jetty]

Some one probably already made a guide, didn't check

[shy spindle]

it was the cargo box

[balmy storm]

There’s a part on the 2nd floor that’s near the rail in the middle of the room, jump to the rail by getting as close as you can to it before jumping
I dont have a visual to help but there’s a lil that you can’t see unless you look that you can jump from

or maybe there’s a cargo box to jump from

[shy spindle]

can you only rank up with kahl once a week?

[crimson river]

They said it was based on how many "brothers" kahl had in his following so might be once a week or more per time you do

[velvet wing]

I personally love that there’s no messaging around how to rank up with Kahl’s syndicate

[solid raven]

I don’t like how stock is gained off of the optional challenges though

[raw hedge]

it goes up with each mission

[terse gyro]

I wish I could leap into the screen and onto this pile of floofs

[languid torrent]

Needs more Floofs.

[balmy storm]

What floofs would you have in real life

[terse gyro]

Yes

[balmy storm]

That’s the right answer

[torpid lantern]

That's the only answer

[hazy pine]

||#the-duviri-paradox message||

[wild wind]

Just throw down a blunt and climb on top of it

[plain knot]

i honestly kinda like the kahl mission but the command mode literally does not work for me and it's keeping me from enjoying it fully _(:3」∠)_

[brave osprey]

Hey can we agree that since the ||Tenno is a space ninja then Drifter is a space cowboy?|| Because ||Drifter got the whole set: A gun, a horse, space Far-West and he's kind of a outlaw.||

[indigo plank]

A tenno is a space warlock IMO. Makes a deal with an eldritch entity, gets insane powers out of it, and it is edgy

[brave osprey]

So Drifter is a Hunter then?

[plain knot]

there is no easter bunny, there is no tooth fairy, and there is no fourth k-drive part

[terse gyro]

Wouldn't exactly call the Man in the Wall edgy. He's having waaay too much fun for that.

[indigo plank]

I'm saying us tenno are edgy

[terse gyro]

Oh, I thought with "it" you meant him, since we are more than one.

[unkempt crag]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLOWGlx3Hg||

[balmy badger]

After hearing some of the new dialogue, ||my headcanon is that all Sentient's are furries, and nobody can change that.||

[primal thorn]

big spoilers ^

[wicked iron]

HUNHOW SYNDICATE WHEN DE

Need naow!

[balmy badger]

Stalker was already a bow guy cause Dread so...

Can't say he wouldn't have liked Nataruk

[graceful zodiac]

Stalker needed a weapon Hunhow could control him through. Nataruk is not that.

[undone forge]

When can I run errands for grandpappy Hunhow, I like the Sentients

[wicked iron]

It would be really cool fighting alongside friendly Sentients in some missions for Hunhow. 😄

[balmy badger]

You never know, maybe he hates us slightly less now that Natah is free again.

[undone forge]

I <3 my sentient planet destroyer grandpa

[frosty elk]

• we killing archons and striking against narmer

[hexed ember]

anyone think that amalgams were prototype archons

[balmy badger]

Archon's are from the Old War.

Amalgams were just Alad V being Alad V.

[terse gyro]

Hunhow didn't control Stalker through War, otherwise he would've made him kill us after we awoke on Lua. It merely allowed Hunhow to guide him.

[hexed ember]

...what archons were from the old war??

[balmy badger]

GPS sword

[terse gyro]

Yeah, Hunhow said so.

"Hybrid abominations from the Old War."

[hexed ember]

the heads were, but the attaching of the frames too? That doesn't seem to make sense

[wicked iron]

Yep, all from the Old War.

[terse gyro]

Why not?

The heads are Sentient. The bodies are Warframe. If it was just the heads, they wouldn't have been hybrid abominations, would they?

[wicked iron]

Only "new" Archon is Erra/Pazuul, but Pazuul was already a head waiting for a host.

[hexed ember]

I interpreted the way hunhow said to mean that they are a hybrid abomination of things from the old war..

[indigo plank]

Yeah, I don't think archons used warframes as host during the old war

However they still existed

[hexed ember]

that is how i understood it

[wicked iron]

Ah, gotcha. Yeah, they've been around since the Old War with the Warframe bodies. Erra created them back then.

[terse gyro]

Wouldn't have given his statement that Nataruk is as old as the Archons much gravitas though.

[wicked iron]

Caliban may have even been his prototype for them.

[terse gyro]

Caliban does seem like he was a fairly recent creation.

[zenith jacinth]

Is not

Alt helmet description

[hexed ember]

caliban was definitely from old war

[terse gyro]

What does his helmet description say? Didn't read it

[zenith jacinth]

That he's been around since the old war

[terse gyro]

...I'll just look up the text.

[hexed ember]

so weird, coulda sworn archons weren't so old from the way DE talked about them pre-release

still doesn't feel right, really

[terse gyro]

"A fearsome alternative helmet to give Caliban a look he has not worn since the Old War." Alright, fair enough.

[zenith jacinth]

Specifically that it's a look he hasn't worn since the old war

[cyan crest]

Also all archons are prime frames possibly to signify how they're orokin tech and thus very old
Of course it doesn't mena primes are first but it means primes were more common

[terse gyro]

Can't blame me for thinking that though. The Archons are Sentient creations crudely grafted onto Warframe bodies, while Caliban is a perfect fusion of Sentient and Warframe.

[hexed ember]

archons being from old war really just.. kinda makes new war feel lamer and lamer... like nothing about it was new at all

[cyan crest]

Technically archons are very important sentients grafted onto warframe bodies

[wicked iron]

I don't think Primes were more common, given only the Prime Vanguard were allowed to use them.

[hexed ember]

not a single thing wasn't ancient, and everything about the old war had way more weight on the world than new war ever could

[cyan crest]

I mean more common than today

[zenith jacinth]

Narmer

[terse gyro]

Narmer Veils

[cyan crest]

The veils are new

[hexed ember]

that's basically it.. just.. ballas's old dreams of control.. except even that was a bit of a orokin empire revival attempt

[wicked iron]

I mean, The New War was just the final culmination of all that was left undone in the Old War. Ballas doing what he did with Narmer was new, but otherwise it was still all his machinations, like The Old War probably was.

[hexed ember]

the veils also feel like extensions/improvements to the void corruption drones th at take over people in orokin ships

[zenith jacinth]

Ah yes, because the orokin empire mind controlled everyone

[terse gyro]

Even Hunhow said "Did you end our war, or merely set the stage for the next?"

[hexed ember]

it was an empire revival.. but more focused on ballas himself

[cyan crest]

It seems weird to me that archons, as important as they are (Amar even trained Natah to decieve) would let themselves be grafted onto Warframe bodies and be used as henchmen

[zenith jacinth]

Wait what

[cyan crest]

Archon hunt dialogue

[zenith jacinth]

I missed some lore by not doing the archon hunts, huh

[cyan crest]

Natargulotus says Amar trained her

[terse gyro]

No, to us during the Octavia's Anthem boss fight.

[wicked iron]

Ahh yeah.

[terse gyro]

Didn't have to delete the message.

[zenith jacinth]

Kinda makes that stuff not fun if the first mission attempt instantly fails for no reason

[wicked iron]

I accidentally edited it instead of putting the new message lol

[hexed ember]

Yeah, why would erra have grafted the archons back in the old war...? Did they even get to see any use back then, or were they made too late??

[wicked iron]

So deleted it and left a new ahh yeah. XD

[cyan crest]

Haha yeah super fun to not have revives at all

[terse gyro]

I like that we don't have self-revives. Makes it more important to pay attention and play carefully.

[zenith jacinth]

Nah, mobile defense objective just instantly popped for no reason

I don't die

[terse gyro]

Forces the squad to stay together and help each other.

[hexed ember]

i thought the archons coming after the speech of natah about amalgams with the 'weakness of neither' woulda fit the descriptions of waht archons were meant to be, but if they are old, it just kinda sucsk the life out of that..

[cyan crest]

Hunhow says that they were made from battlefields were both sentient and warframe fell so perhaps they didn't have a choice

[cyan crest]

Amalgams did go nowhere
Guess Alad had the rights to them

[hexed ember]

as in, that was a desperate attempt to keep the archons alive?

[zenith jacinth]

Eidolon archons?

[cyan crest]

Kind of?

[terse gyro]

It is kinda odd that they had an entire event setting up the creation of the Amalgams, only for them to not even be remotely important to the New War.

[graceful zodiac]

Archons don't have the benefits of both either.

[hexed ember]

archons being old just feels.. so disappointing... makes them less spooky even

[cyan crest]

Don't see how

[hexed ember]

well pazuul still spooky for other reasons

[cyan crest]

We even know the heads are pretty important sentients from way back

Wonder who Pazuul was before the Erra takeover
Perhaps a third hunhow child? I wonder

[hexed ember]

because if the archons were made fresh in new war with old dead sentients from old war, it woulda given this feeling of them using the things that killed them to bring themselves life

[terse gyro]

Perhaps the Archons were heavily wounded during the Old War, commanders of their own, so they were used to preserve them.

[graceful zodiac]

It's no less "spooky" than the original return of the Sentients. The return of an enemy that was beating the Orokin is auspicious no matter what

[hexed ember]

but instead, they were made way back then and just kinda forgotten about, in some old dump somewhere who knows where the archons would have been kept away if they were from old war

[rain otter]

Maybe.

[hexed ember]

what/where were they the whole time if they are old creations that arne't dead

[cyan crest]

Same dump the entire sentient invasion force was kept in
Praghasa

[graceful zodiac]

On a Murex or Praghasa. The Sentient were literally waiting to strike back

[rain otter]

Probably if he used the Heads of the Beast Lords of Tau and jaut put them on Warframes

That makes sense.

Also he Kept Pazuul and didn't turn him into a Archon

Cuz Pazuul is wildin I guess.

[cyan crest]

I wonder who he was

[rain otter]

Pazuul was Pazuul

They all have the same Names apparently.

[undone forge]

I am really curious about what the Archons were, because they had to have been made for some purpose on Tau

[cyan crest]

Yes, but we get lore on every archon from Natargulotus
I meant who he was as in what did he do

[hexed ember]

i'm quite sad...

[rain otter]

Amar was made in the image of Old Earth Animals

Cuz reasons.

[cyan crest]

Apparently just top dog sentients, amar being literally Natah's teacher for example

[terse gyro]

I'm not. Doesn't really matter to me.

[cyan crest]

yes, in thr image of a wolf

Which is an old earth animal

[terse gyro]

It is also possible that the Archons were simply unfinished before Erra got near-fatally wounded by the Tenno. After Regor awakened the Sentients, Erra found the time to finish them and make them battle ready.

[rain otter]

Natah Talks about Their people "tau would have forgotten about their people"

[cyan crest]

All of them are made in the image of old earth animals

[wicked iron]

It is possible, but I do think it unlikely, given all the dialogues we have about them.

[hexed ember]

this also makes the fact that its grafted onto a warframe.. less cool, because he did it a billion years ago and didn't even make them a better body in hte meanwhile

[cyan crest]

They were just hidden with thr rest of the big army

[rain otter]

Also Pazuul seems to have been Purposly not turned into a Archon.

[graceful zodiac]

How? Frames are literally some of the best tech you can get

[wicked iron]

Especially the Primes, yeah.

[terse gyro]

What better thing could he have used than a prime Warframe?

[cyan crest]

Mmm I hope we get lore on him, the head I mean, Pazuul
Cause it'd actually be good if he was a 3rd child of Hunhow imo

[hexed ember]

They obviously don't like the bodies, they seem to resent becoming their current form according to natah

[undone forge]

I think taking a Prime frame, something the player is familiar with, and turning it into an enemy you have to fight against is pretty clever

[graceful zodiac]

Yes, because they're heads in general

[rain otter]

Idk if he's Hunhows Child Specifically

Also I don't know how often he means him or he Means Erra

[terse gyro]

Plus it was war. Not exactly a time to keep comfort in mind.

[hexed ember]

natah says it as 'they resent being turned into mere weapons' or some such

[graceful zodiac]

He'd have to be the middle child

[cyan crest]

Neither do I but it'd create interesting dinamics

[rain otter]

That's only Boreal

[terse gyro]

I kinda doubt Pazuul is Hunhow's son.

[rain otter]

Amar likes being a Hunter and Nira maybe is controlling Pazuul. @hexed ember

Which is also wild.

[hexed ember]

them being made in old war, and yet not have any presence or acknowledgement of their presence in the old war, not being cool zombie sentients brought back for new war but just hidden away on a ship..

[wicked iron]

I believe Erra confirmed before that only he and Natah/Lotus are left of their family, so they're probably the only 2 children from Hunhow.

[terse gyro]

I think the New War has just been completely ruined for Zext.

[cyan crest]

Oh I also wonder how much of Pazuul's mind is mixed with Erra's cause he calls to part of Erra's family in first person

[rain otter]

Yeah

But yeah only Boreal really hates being a Archon

The other two are fine with it lmao

[wicked iron]

If Erra had been the one controlling their deployment (as seems implied to me), it makes sense they would have been inactive all this time.

[cyan crest]

He said he was the only family she had left
With Hunhow literally fighting in orbit
:p

[wicked iron]

I think that was when Hunhow was being felled for their plan, though.

[hexed ember]

...so were the archons actually -used- in the old war...?

[graceful zodiac]

That's no different than every other thing they brought back, like Mimics

[cyan crest]

Damn he must've flown a long distance from Lua to uranus then

[wicked iron]

I believe so.

[hexed ember]

not really, because mimics are just sentient foot soldiers like everything else, and we obviously have a lot of evidence of the presence general sentients had during the old war. Archons are big figures, but came out of nowhere to us

[terse gyro]

I think at that point their plan to have Hunhow let himself be killed on purpose was already set in stone, just not put into practice yet.

[graceful zodiac]

Again, no different than Mimics, no different than Erra, no different than Praghasa

[hexed ember]

???

[cyan crest]

Yes that was on purpose but if it was in that moment then he'd have to get defeated and then fly to uranus from Lua and burry himself

[hexed ember]

That's a huge difference. That's like if the first time we ever heard about hunhow being stuck on uranus was new war quest.

there wasn't even the slightest hint of archon existence before the quest

[cyan crest]

First time we hear of Erra is 2 cutscenes before new war and he's a main player

[graceful zodiac]

Just make the quest Natah and it'd be no different

[hexed ember]

and yet they are major figures, weird zombie combo creatures that everyone just knows existed from old war

[rain otter]

idk

[graceful zodiac]

Big players coming out from the woodworks is just how the game does things

[rain otter]

i will say the lotus refused to talk about Tau and her orgins for a long time and then just left

[terse gyro]

Not exactly a new practice with games that have been online for this long.

[cyan crest]

Ballas literally appeared out of nowhere with no explanation of how he was alive and just kidnapped our mission controller

[rain otter]

so like ShRug

[terse gyro]

Wrong, he was set up as far back as the Second Dream.

[rain otter]

this would be the first time she would have been okay with talking about it

[graceful zodiac]

And Ballas just got some voice lines in Second Dream. Nihil and the Entrati are the real out of nowhere Orokin

[terse gyro]

One of the biggest things that bother me about Narmer is that narmified Grineer and Corpus units are never encountered at the same time, even though it makes no sense for them not to work together.

[cyan crest]

Yes, as an orokin and someone from Margulis' time, both things that are likely to mean you're dead
In apostasy he just appeared out of nowhere with no explanations as to how he was there or alive

[hexed ember]

like, it would've been more ok if the archons were just straight up sentients, but this form they took, being created by erra etc just.. sorta.. doesn't sit right.

[rain otter]

Entrati was said in the Deadlock Protocol

[hexed ember]

(doesn't sit right for it all be from old war, but unimportant until now)

[terse gyro]

New major characters being introduced is just one of the things you have to accept when a game has been live and developing for so long.

[hexed ember]

it's not.. it's not that

[cyan crest]

If it makes you feel better, the heads are really important sentients

[rain otter]

i just wanna point out when things where first said

[terse gyro]

I hope that Narmer Corpus and Narmer Grineer units are eventually encountered together.

[rain otter]

they are well the Heads are we have learned

[hexed ember]

at the very least they are important sentients.. thought they were like, successful eidolon tier resurrections using frames.. I guess they can still sorta be seen as that, but instead of being recent they were old and hidden, which just feels.. dunno

[rain otter]

they where made a long time ago

on Tau

[cyan crest]

From records of long extinct animals like snakes and wolves

[rain otter]

yeah

and Rams i guess

[cyan crest]

Owls too

[hexed ember]

at least, I am assuming before they were attached to frames they were in some sense incapacitated -

otherwise I'd be even more confused

[rain otter]

a bunch of them Trained Natah so like

[cyan crest]

Or very dead

[hexed ember]

yes

[cyan crest]

Isn't it only said to be Amar?

[hexed ember]

well, we don't know about nirah as much yet, maybe from her archon hunt

[graceful zodiac]

Like I said, it's the same as every other person in the game. You'd think we'd know about Parvos before Deadlock, or there being a Sun-Eating ship before New War

[rain otter]

eh

[cyan crest]

We have Nira's archon hunt dialogue :p

[rain otter]

we do cuz all the audi is on the game files

I linked it the other day

[hexed ember]

oh, didn't know people already mined that

[cyan crest]

I don't believe it was very deep

[rain otter]

not minded

its just on the wiki

[cyan crest]

Anyway it only saved us like one week of waiting anyway

[terse gyro]

Is there also Erra's dialogue from his propaganda drones?

[rain otter]

no

[terse gyro]

Damn it.

[rain otter]

cuz this was only from the hunts

before the Kahl missions where out

[hexed ember]

i mean, how did it get on the wiki without people mining it??

[rain otter]

idk

[terse gyro]

I wish his propaganda drones had subtitles when you got near them.

[hexed ember]

I wonder who actually did the attaching of pazuul to erra

[cyan crest]

Praghasa

[hexed ember]

isn't she brain dead?

[cyan crest]

Reb said so in an interview

[hexed ember]

oh, i thought praghasa just saved him

[cyan crest]

She'd still have automatic systems
But for all intents and purposes yep she's dead

[undone forge]

I wonder where Praghasa is, I want another quest with her

[wicked iron]

I wonder if Praghasa is starting to reawaken, since the ship attached Pazuul to Erra... Even if only a little.

[rain otter]

yes but her machines till work

[hexed ember]

so.. pazuul.. was attached by praghasa to her own son. I wonder who Pazuul was to her...

[rain otter]

otherwise

[terse gyro]

I figured Praghasa had been completely destroyed in the New War. Left to burn up in the Sun for good.

[rain otter]

she couldnt ship

[cyan crest]

Pazuul: "Bones of my father, fathomed (?) around...behold me. Carcass of my mother, flame devoured...behold me. Limbs of my children, piecemeal, unblinking...behold me."
At least she's aknowledged

[hexed ember]

flame devoured...

[rain otter]

like Praghasa is "brain dead" but all her Ship parts and Weapons Work

otherwise she couldnt eat the sun

[undone forge]

Well, that is something at least. Would be disappointing to toss the Sentient mothership aside post New War I think.

[cyan crest]

Pazuul has a line about her biting his head off and sucking all the stuff

[hexed ember]

yes, but her being brain dead and still having working parts meaning that she very reactively slaps the head onto erra, which is.. interesting? Like.. it wouldn't have been a deliberate 'thought out' action.

[rain otter]

yee

[terse gyro]

I think that was just him having some... issues. He's not exactly sane.

[hexed ember]

do you think pazuul was talking about himself or erra in that line..

[cyan crest]

I thin that's the Erra part talking about the transformation process

The Erra part of his mind even apologizes in one of his lines
Very sad stuff

[terse gyro]

Pazuul and the Archons bring up some really interesting questions that I hope, but doubt, will get properly explored.

[wicked iron]

Inb4 we free Erra and get an Erra and Hunhow Syndicate in the future! Death to Pazuul!

[terse gyro]

I could imagine Hunhow supporting Kahl's Garrison. Saving his son from Narmer control sounds like something Hunhow would do.

[indigo plank]

Honestly natah seems REALLY attached to erra still, she still hopes for him to not be dead. So yeah we probably will free him

[cyan crest]

I am hopeless about Erra
Pazuul is now on a weekly mission system and guys that enter that phase don't really get much resolution
I fear we'll be stuck with Ramhead

[hexed ember]

i think it'd be sadder if he was never really saved... but maybe the erra part could eventually enjoy a true death

sadder in a good way, i mean

[terse gyro]

It's one of the reason why Hunhow is so awesome. He's evil, but he would do anything for his family. Even in the Second Dream, he was practically pleading for Natah to return to him.

[hexed ember]

I still need some time to recover from archon frame grafting being old instead of new...

[cyan crest]

I mean when was the last time a warframe villain died, let alone one that's in repayable content
Vor, and maybe Regor?

[terse gyro]

Ballas

[wicked iron]

Lol

[hexed ember]

yeah, but not in replayable content

[terse gyro]

The quest is replayable

[hexed ember]

other than the quests themselves

[wicked iron]

The New War is replayable. 😄

[hexed ember]

but clearly, the quests are snapshots of time, more so than weekly missions are

[cyan crest]

Who's not part of any active content unlike archon hunt dude and the Beatles

[terse gyro]

Then Jordas.

[cyan crest]

Calling warframe bosses the Beatles from now on

[undone forge]

Has Frohd Bek appeared in anything recently

[terse gyro]

He has been mentioned.

[wicked iron]

Lech Kril has also been absent.

[terse gyro]

Lech Kril isn't much of a character.

[indigo plank]

He died didn't he

[hexed ember]

the seargent

[terse gyro]

Out of all the Grineer bosses, Lech Kril is the only one that is kinda just... there.

[cyan crest]

Nah he's probably dead too, hence the need to invoke the deadlock protocol cause the votes weren't going anywhere

Seven for, seven against, cast and recast seven times.

[wicked iron]

His space would have been filled anyway, if he died. It's likely that the Board was just always an even number, so RIP them for lacking foresight in that regard lol

[terse gyro]

Alad V said in the Hostile Mergers fragment thingies that Nef Anyo was Bek's new favourite while he's trying to use the Amalgam project to regain his position.

[cyan crest]

Or not, hence the vote

[cyan crest]

Well then he's not chairman anymore

Wonder if that position falls automatically to Parvos...

[terse gyro]

Doubt it, since Parvos essentially said "screw the board, I'm making a new one"

[hexed ember]

with blackjack, and sisters

[terse gyro]

Otherwise yeah, he would most definitely be chairman by default, since Nef's entire plan hinged on his being Parvos' true heir to be handed the chairman seat.

[wicked iron]

He only mused about what he may do, but never said for sure what he would do. I think he simply retook control of the Corpus.

[cyan crest]

Specially sisters

[hexed ember]

wonder.. what is nef up to nowadays anyway

[cyan crest]

Recovering from 3rd degree burns

[terse gyro]

I can imagine the Corpus being kinda split now that Parvos is back. There are his loyalists, but the Board of Directors is probably not too keen on his opinions since he doesn't like what they have been doing lately.

[cyan crest]

All of the content where the corpus is relevant since that quest mentions him

Except new war

But yeah it's not like the corpus have ever been very unified

[terse gyro]

There are most definitely going to be Corpus who don't like what he's doing.

Like Nef.

[cyan crest]

Like Nef

Lmao

[terse gyro]

Same message at the same time

[hexed ember]

alad v will jsut do whatever is the best deal

[cyan crest]

Worst*

[terse gyro]

He tries, bless him.

He keeps running into walls, but by profit he's going to break through one eventually if he just slams his head hard enough.

[cyan crest]

He's already broken through his head

No brain only grofit

[terse gyro]

I meant the walls

[hexed ember]

i mean, we do tend to be the ones ruining his plans, maybe one would have worked by now if it weren't for those meddling tenno and their stupid kubrow

[cyan crest]

I meant he can't break them cause his broken his head before it could happen

[terse gyro]

Next thing we know the newest wall he's running into has a man in it.

[cyan crest]

I mean the void is basically thr only thing he has to muck with left

[terse gyro]

Nef: "Hey, that's my schtick!"

[cyan crest]

He was head of grineer relations and already tasted infestation and sentients, not to mention the whole wolf deal
Yeah he has to muck with the void

[terse gyro]

The Void be the word, and the word be profit.

Alad is absolutely the kind of person to make a deal with the Man in the Wall.

[cyan crest]

Baro did

Both like profit
Checks out

[terse gyro]

Which was a perfect explanation for syncing the Baro visits.

[indigo plank]

If alad v makes a deal with wally I'm bashing his head in with my bare hands

[hexed ember]

that was just eternalism

[cyan crest]

And then the relays

[cyan crest]

Baro himself explained he made a deal with Wallman for it to happen

[terse gyro]

Baro's message literally said he shook hands with a man looking exactly like himself

[hexed ember]

no i meant the syncing, as a joke

[cyan crest]

Well he said it was a dashing looking man

So yeah exactly like him

[terse gyro]

One thing I just noticed that most likely doesn't mean anything, most characters in Warframe only have their mouth visible while their eyes are hidden. The eldritch, god-like Man in the Wall? Only a mouth with no eyes.

[cyan crest]

Chad Mirage be the inverse of the rule

Mmm his mimic form also cover his eyes sometimes

With the Lotus helmet

[terse gyro]

Kinda reminds me of Bloodborne, where most characters also kept their eyes hidden, though they had an actual reason for it.

[terse gyro]

I love the track that plays during the boss fight with Ballas. "Sunkiller". The wind chimes and techno drones really add to the dramatic showdown.

[frail nymph]

The fact that Daughter only bets 20 credits shows the insane level of inflation Corpus have caused

[balmy badger]

If that's the case... We must be a LOT richer than we think we are

[tribal whale]

I mean
if nef anyo's max risk in the index is under 100k
I think that means that's a lot of money

I imagine betting 20 credits is like betting someone $20

[balmy badger]

Actually wait... According to the wiki.

[graceful zodiac]

I'll need a source on that

[gritty pike]

100k only 150$?

bro

i have more money than my warframe character

[jagged sable]

that reminds me......Kaelli owes Kahl 20 credits.

[gritty pike]

i think that’s why kahl tested the emergency channel with a condrix false alarm

i’m gonna love the dynamics between kaeili and kahl

[thick jolt]

How much credits would the average grineer get in the grineer army do you guys think ?

[gritty pike]

10 a day

[jagged sable]

grineer get paid?

[thick jolt]

Dunno that's another question

[gritty pike]

10 credits is 1.5 cents

[unique jetty]

They do drop credits

[thick jolt]

Yes

[gritty pike]

yeah, their whole life savings

[balmy badger]

0.015 cents.

[graceful zodiac]

I absolutely do not believe that wiki number without a source

[balmy badger]

Chances are it was said during a Prime Time stream or something, DE likes to drop trivia like that there. Weird that there isn't a source linked to it though.

[obtuse gyro]

zounds like whoever put it in the wiki pulled a senator armstrong

[gritty pike]

for some reason i read .00015 us cents as us dollars

[cyan crest]

You can buy Plat with money, and credits with Plat

I believe that's where they got the numbers

[graceful zodiac]

That's omega flawed

[cyan crest]

Indeed

[indigo plank]

Makes sense. Because 0.0015 cents per credit would make the "high risk index" give around 15 dollars which does not seem like a big investment for nef

Profit taker would drop 7.50 dollars which uh

Wouldn't be too much NGL

[river anchor]

Wait so the Solaris' debts and debt bonds are all around 75-100 dollars

[edgy sierra]

That price may be referring to some metals inside it that could've been salvaged very quickly (before it blows up)

[glass sun]

So if dreams are stronger than the reality. Maybe controlling the Warframe is quite easy but need 90% transfer dream to Warframe, the 10% will remain conscious in your body. But that only could work on Tenno since they are the only person who can do it

[swift pond]

Not sure where this "dreams are stronger than reality" thing comes from? Especially after Second Dream where we wake up.

[glass sun]

I mean, if we remember what we dream, we somehow are quite genius and stronger than reality. Quite like a fantasy and also imaginative. But if you dream something, you feel that you are quite handle well inside the dream and smarter, but in reality which is where we are now we never know how did we dream about that.

[swift pond]

Wat

[thick jolt]

Just what have i read ?

[glass sun]

Example: you dream about a kung fu dream and you thought you have mastered it inside dream

But in reality you don't know about kung-fu

So what if the Tennos have been trained using dream to control the Warframes

[swift pond]

Dreaming about being a Kung-Fu master and remembering that doesn't make you a master in reality, especially if you knew nothing about the martial art to begin with.
You do know dreams are based off our memories right?

[obtuse gyro]

The tenno use transference to control the frames, you dont need to be asleep to use transference

[swift pond]

The Dream™️ was put in place to keep them from realising that they were groovy teenagers on the Moon. It isn't literal sleep.

[jagged crane]

They also used the warframes before they were put in cryosleep when they served the orokin and fought in the Old War

[glass sun]

I see 🤔

[swift pond]

Best seen with the cutscene with Lotus and her 7 Tenno cronies during the Old War. They sure aren't in the Dream yet.

Or I'm confusing things again, happens a lot.

[glass sun]

I think imma finish whole game first so that I could combine everything about the old wars and new wars

[jagged crane]

Also we just know that in the lore. They were put in cryosleep to erase the traumatic memories from the war and the Zariman

[obtuse gyro]

Whether or not they had been put in the dream yet or not, the tenno in that cutscene are very decidedly not in the dream

[glass sun]

That is quite high tech, oh wait, it is on high tech era, lol

[glass sun]

I actually stuck on this part, which on the selection which warframe you choosing. If the lightning strike on 3, but only 1, does that mean that the Tenno could choose? Or no?

[swift pond]

It's assumed that whatever one wakes up was your frame to begin with, I'm guessing. Either that or Lotus chose to transfer them to it, given she can control that to an extent.

[obtuse gyro]

Its ludonarrative, whichever frame wakes up just happened to be yours. The tenno never had to choose

[glass sun]

I see

[obtuse gyro]

Ludonarrative means that what happens as part of the game isnt whats normally happening as part of the story

[cyan crest]

Ludonarrative dissonance

Just ludonarrative by itself doesn't mean anything

[obtuse gyro]

Right theres a second word

[jagged crane]

Shhh I didn’t start playing this game to learn weird English words

[swift pond]

deoxyribose nucleic acid

[jagged crane]

Don’t make me pull out my Phantasma

[obtuse gyro]

Hydrogen Dioxide

[jagged crane]

Alright that’s it reloads Kuva Zarr with malicious intent

[glass sun]

Pls, my English is broken but I'm still playing Warframe, lol

[zenith jacinth]

Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia

[cyan crest]

That's
That's not water

[obtuse gyro]

Its not indeed

Bet its tasty

[scarlet basalt]

not me being definitly scared to what infestation could bring to the table.
They want to be perfect and Arlo somehow achieved that

[orchid remnant]

Why are you scared

[scarlet basalt]

I think that they're very powerful but we haven't seen much of it.
They're pretty much on the back with phenomenal power that was only shown once with the Fass/Vome system, but other than that, we haven't seen much.

[orchid remnant]

Don’t be afraid…

[scarlet basalt]

They also somehow made their own weaponry with the emissary's enemies who have very strong weapon

[jagged crane]

Don’t worry, if you wanna see what they’re capable of, just look at the Flood from Halo they really are pretty much identical

[rain otter]

I think we are gonna see the Leader of the Infested soon.

Cuz we know theirs a Hive Mind

[wild wind]

That's the thing, if it's a true hivemind there's no leader

All the component parts contribute to the greater intelligence

[rain otter]

Eh

I think theirs a Leader

[wild wind]

I think there is too, but if there is, it's not a hivemind.

[cyan crest]

I mean
Hives have Queens

oh god are the grineer just bees

I know the convo was about the infestation but I just had a realization

[zenith jacinth]

I think with the grineer it's the human version of queens.

[cyan crest]

I mean yeah the twin Queens don't lay grineer eggs, I meant in a metaphorical way

[zenith jacinth]

Human version of queens with the authority those had in the middle ages

[wild wind]

Despite what it sounds like, hiveminds don't work like insect hives

The idea behind a hivemind is a shared consciousness, where every body contributes brainpower to the whole. More dendrites than separate bodies.

[cyan crest]

I know I just wanted to make a joke and kind of a point with grineer bees

[cloud jackal]

WTFrame. Three extraction markers lol

[thick jolt]

2 orbs and the elevator is my guess

[cloud jackal]

Nope, one orb, one elevator, and for some reason the third one led to an outdoor area

Reminded me of a Railjack exit area, wonder if it's a bug related to some upcoming thing? idk

Archwing around the Zariman 🤡 it's what the kids want

[hexed ember]

that last area always gets a maker for me too

it's really annoying, since it is always a dead end that is as far away as possible from everything else

[velvet wing]

One too many times have I ran to that and been annoyed at having to back track and find another extraction way point

[next nest]

||Deimos is shaped like a screaming skull.||

[rain otter]

Oh yeah that area is a extrat

It's also a cool area.

[orchid remnant]

It really wants you to get out of there

[orchid remnant]

No

[supple dagger]

Ok the weirdest thing happend just now. You know that scene in the new war where you speak to the drifer as the operator? The dramatic reveal? It broke for me haha. The drifer never clipped in so i was looking at floating chopsticks the whole time haha

I was so confused because the operator was talking to no one

[autumn badge]

i saw that on a steam forum thread

[balmy storm]

the drifter was all in your head

wake up tenno, wake up

[north trail]

Interesting

Oh god imagine if to enter duviri we have to go through a zariman mission every time

Duviri is actually just a really big granum void

[balmy ice]

You’re in a coma wake up it’s time for the eternalism test

[supple dagger]

THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING HAHA

the man in the wall stole my damn drifter

[balmy storm]

There was no void jump
Time for school simulator

Warframe endgame is free education

[edgy sierra]

Time to learn quantum mechanics

[balmy storm]

We get to go to tau

[autumn badge]

theoretical physics. though i guess at this point it's just physics

[prisma helm]

anyone's new war quest buggin? my drifter is missing from the cutscene with the operator as well as the man in the wall operator in the classroom scenes

[autumn badge]

likely veilbreaker causing the bug. you're the 3rd person i've heard it from

[supple dagger]

Yay im not alone

Btw i picked margulis man she is hot

I can see why ballas was so intent on getting her back

I didn't want natah because even after all that i am still hate towards sentients

And Lotus is such a contrarion and who knows what she's thinking. Margulis is a fitting reward for the tenno. Someone they lost.

[cyan crest]

they'd also lost Lotus

[swift pond]

If I had a credit each time I heard that reason for picking Marge, I could buy out Anyo Corp.

[delicate light]

But isnt Margulis just the Complete fake version of her? For me it doesnt feel right to push her into that.
I picked Lotus.
Letting her past with her complicated Sentient Family behind her and going a new way she wants to go for herself

[cyan crest]

You don't push anyone into anything, she chooses herself

And she has Margulis' memories

[frail nymph]

Margulis is a real person who, in that choice case, Lotus wants to be

[fleet veldt]

A simulation of them approximated from years of dream-spying on the Tenno - effectively getting them to give all the good descriptors of Margulis they could; every interaction, every memory, every bit she could.

Not her actual memories. Only way she'd have those was if she somehow met Margulis, and Margulis and her became an amalgam - or Margulis was directly integrated via Transference by Kuva; Continuity.

Not that Margulis was an Archimedian who had been sentenced to death by the Golden Lords of a once-mighty empire.

Therefore Natah-turned-Lotus cannot have Margulis' memories; the ones she has are Tenno retellings, or Ballas' bias.

[obtuse gyro]

Definitely ballas's bias

Ballas wanted her to be the marge he desires

[wicked iron]

Ballas did an implantation of Margulis's memories in Natah when turning her into the Lotus. She absolutely has Margulis's memories.

Even if not all, she definitely has the actual memories.

[delicate light]

yeah but she is still not margulis. and letting her become again the mimic of a dead person feels weird to me.

[unique pagoda]

Lowkey miss og space mom

[fleet veldt]

Impossible. Margulis was executed via Jade Light. Vaporized by the equivalent of a disruptor beam cannon at point blank.
Natah wasn't in the picture until a long time after.

Furthermore we're yet to see how Sentients and Aya react to eachother - that being one of the two remaining vectors Natah could get Margulis' memories outside of brainscanning Tenno and listening to Ballas simp.

The second being that Natah is haunted by a Void imprint of Margulis who could play a part in Duviri.

[wicked iron]

The teaser Orokin text we get from before The Second Dream explicitly mentions "Margulis implantation intact." It's not impossible.

The full text:

Void Link Severed

Reason: foreign carrier detected. Origin: unknown. Suspection: tracking signal.
Reinitiating dipolar connection on novel carrier. Bio in standby for check and sync.

Motion compensation complete.
 Selenic lensing locked.
 Somatic control established.
 Margulis implantation intact.
 EVM status nominal.
 War platform awaiting sync.

Initializing synaptic overlay... Good night, sweet angel.

[fleet veldt]

The Margulis implant is probably a Warframe/Tenno piece of hard/bio-ware, not sure how valid it is presently, but my guess is, the implant either is like a loyalty chip that forces us to buddy up to Natah/Lotus, or a sort of mental stabiliser to soft-regulate our emotional responses?

It can't be to do with Natah as the error message is for the Tenno Operator.

[wicked iron]

That entire message was clearly tied to something Orokin-programmed. We sure didn't write whatever procedures and protocols it was talking about. Additionally, it does have to do with the Tenno, but the fact that it mentions Margulis implantation means it does also have to do with Lotus.

All that ultimately matters, though, is that there is no wrong decision for The New War on who she chooses to primarily be. 🙂

[cyan crest]

The line about seeing the zariman with her own eyes already confirms she has the actual memories of Margulis from Ballas

And given the existance of Aya, which Ballas had access to...

[fleet veldt]

Warframe/Tenno hardware were Orokin-programmed...

But yes; in ultimatum there is no wrong decision as it is her decision - if I didn't have the disc to balance out I would've picked Natah, as hiding from her truth after all is said and done wouldn't be that nice.

That said...

[fleet veldt]

This was mentioned after Lotus had vampirically kissed Ballas - taking from him practically everything and, though this bit is more me hope-speculating than anything, perhaps even his Oro.

[cyan crest]

Oro was only mentioned in Conclave and hasn't been relevant ever again

Literally not mentioned by anybody other than Teshin

It's a conclave mechanic and that's it

[wicked iron]

There wasn't an indication she took Ballas's memories when she kissed him. Even if she had, I don't think it was ever directly confirmed he saw the direct aftermath like Margulis did.

[obtuse gyro]

Its about the tenno tho, since its the SD teaser

[wicked iron]

Not just about the Tenno. There isn't Margulis implantation in us, after all.

[obtuse gyro]

There is one in the frames

Transference is margulis's project. Every frame has a transference bolt

Thats the marge implant

[wicked iron]

I highly doubt that, honestly. Never even heard a theory like that before. The most logical thing is for it to reference Lotus.

[obtuse gyro]

Why? Its a systems diagnosis of the tenno-frame transference system

Why would it be referencing the lotus

[wicked iron]

If it checked the Tenno and the Warframes, it makes sense it would do a check on the Lotus as well, given her role in everything.

[obtuse gyro]

Except lotus is just the handler not an intrinsic part of the system

[wicked iron]

She is, in fact. She controls the primary method of Transference from the pods, after all.

[obtuse gyro]

Plus lotus isnt exactly a "bio"

[wicked iron]

Bio refers to us, the Tenno.

[obtuse gyro]

Exactly why "margulis implant" cannot refer to the lotus

[wicked iron]

It's a separate line... It absolutely can.

[obtuse gyro]

"Bio in standby for check and sync"

[wicked iron]

It says war platform, that doesn't refer to us either.

[obtuse gyro]

The war platform is the frame, because this is a system check on the tenno-frame system

[wicked iron]

And with Lotus being the one who controls Transference while we're in the pods, then yes, it makes sense it would do a check on her.

She's an integral part of it all.

[obtuse gyro]

She's as integral as the control tower operator to a fighter pilot

She can and has been removed from the system equation befroe

Shes not "integral"

[wicked iron]

She was removed after we re-awakened our powers to the levels they had been before Margulis effectively sealed them away. Before that, she was completely integral to the Transference process from each Tenno in their pod to their Warframes.

[obtuse gyro]

Again, as integral as a control tower operator

Just because she can turn things on or off doesnt mean shes needed

[wicked iron]

No. A control tower operator just tells a plane when they can do this or that. They don't MAKE the plane do what they do. Lotus had direct control over the Transference process itself from the pods.

Since this is going in circles, though, probably best to find a new topic.

[obtuse gyro]

Fine

[balmy storm]

While Lotus was gone wasn’t it Ordis or her personal cephalon that took over her duties?

[obtuse gyro]

Ordis, she doesnt have a personal cephalon

[wicked iron]

Just mission control stuff, since that was post War Within.

[balmy storm]

I thought she did

[obtuse gyro]

Holo lotus was just ordis

[balmy storm]

I think I was thinking of Cordylon

[wicked iron]

I miss Cordylon. q_q

Those Q&As were fantastic.

[balmy storm]

I can’t believe our roommate dressed up as our fake kinda mom

[haughty yacht]

i just get this everytime i try and equip

[naive warren]

Isn’t it already equipped?

I see it in the top left

[balmy storm]

Did you go to them?

[haughty yacht]

oh i didnt know it automatically equips wtf

[thorn parcel]

I told you three times in the other chat that it's already equipped lmao

[cyan crest]

Go guild it

[balmy ice]

Drifter Hideout fish lake tank when

Or maybe just drifter hideout fishing

[hollow totem]

i wonder is it possible they make styanax animation base on up coming liches for infested ?

[thick jolt]

I doubt it

[naive warren]

I hate to say this but I don’t see how the infestation will have special weapons and a special enemy

I don’t think it will happen

[thick jolt]

Infestation +

It probably will happen eventually just that current focus is duviri

[real niche]

We've got Proboscis Cernos, at least.

[naive warren]

So are they just going to put gattling guns on a charger then?

[balmy storm]

That’d be cool though

[thick jolt]

Have you seen the prelate ?

[naive warren]

It might happen I just don’t know how they would work around an infestation lich

[balmy storm]

The infestation is very capable of having liches

[naive warren]

The quest?

[balmy storm]

Nightwave

[thick jolt]

They would likely use zealoids for larvling
And then just like liches they would use a custom model

[naive warren]

Missed the entire thing

[thick jolt]

Its a boss on deimos

[naive warren]

Oh Zealoid

[hollow totem]

o.o i forgot about prelate i was thinking about jordas and army of dead cephelon

[balmy storm]

doing that boss to get a lich sounds like a good idea

[naive warren]

Yes of course they could copy that model

[balmy storm]

I want to find out if the infestation is funny

[thick jolt]

Again the zealoid as a model would probably be the pre "lich" state
Then the actual thing would have a custom model

[real niche]

I remember hearing that they aren't doing another Lich thing again

[naive warren]

When was this mentioned though?

Anything can happen

[thick jolt]

I remember them saying they wouldnt do another umbra but i dont remember about no more liches

[real niche]

No clue, but it was something along the lines of the extra ranks from the weapons essentially giving the mod system the middle finger

I think it was a devstream

[naive warren]

That makes sense, because Excalibur Umbra is very unique

[thick jolt]

Well hope they at least do infested liches to complete the main trio of factions

[naive warren]

Time to watch every dev stream

[real niche]

It was just before Sisters of Parvos iirc

[hollow totem]

vor can lead corrupted liches hehe

[naive warren]

Ok that eliminates a lot of hours

[real niche]

Should be around Devstream 154

If not it might of been a Prime Time idk

[naive warren]

They might have a skip towards it, I’ll try and find it

[hollow totem]

bascially vor is a thrall now but corrupted version

[real niche]

The jist of it was like "Yeah this isn't really interesting and they're super overtuned, we're adding wave 2 of the Kuva weapons but not much else"

[hollow totem]

o.o 2nd wave of kuva weapon ?

[real niche]

Hek and Grattler

those ones

[thick jolt]

That would be a shame

I find the lich system to be fun

[rain otter]

We have the more human invaders from the NW

Let me get a picture

[naive warren]

Prepare for disappointment…

[real niche]

Would be more fun if you could have both a Lich and a Sister at the same time for some extra hard invasion style missions

[rain otter]

The Grinner Lich Larva model

I think was in The Wolf NW first?

Yeah the NW was Feb and then Liches came out in like Ocbtor

Yeah the Satrun Six fugitive was the same Model as the Kuva Larvaling.

[naive warren]

I’ve all ready gave up…

I’m sure they mentioned it somewhere

[thick jolt]

If we show we want it they might rethink it

[naive warren]

Yes, I can totally see how it can be worked around now

The weapons though that’s on DE

[balmy storm]

Infested Lich Mire

[naive warren]

Perhaps I could try and make them respond to it on a prime time or dev stream

[rain otter]

What are you talking about? @naive warren

[indigo plank]

Bubonico

[rain otter]

I mean just give me

Cataboltsy 2

[indigo plank]

Zymos 2

[rain otter]

That might actually make the Zymos good.

[indigo plank]

Zymos is already pretty good, especially with xaku

Or well, used to be. Idk if they patched it

[rain otter]

It has never been patched I just don't like it lul.

[lost summit]

So, i wonder when our drifter is going to get more fashion frame options. As it stands theyre pretty barebones imo

[real niche]

Soon™️ because they mentioned having the Operator and Drifter stuff match

[lost summit]

That would rock. I love how ive got my operator, but the drifter is just.... some dude

[hexed ember]

I'd love to get some of those old operator outfits working on the drifter

[sterile zealot]

So is our camp going to be full of Grineer now?

[edgy sierra]

And chipper. Don't you dare forget him

Love his voice

[sterile zealot]

I don’t mind the grineer staying over makes the camp less dead and depressing

[zenith jacinth]

And an ostron

[pliant flume]

in the personal quarters at the spot where you can kneel and look out the window there's this thing like a miasma

what is this?

[lost summit]

A bug

[zenith jacinth]

The light from apostasy prologue returning to haunt us

[pliant flume]

i wondered

[steady gate]

We know there’s gonna be at least one Ostron because of the Veilbreaker trailer but beyond that who knows

[steep delta]

anyone use Operator just for the old Prime suits?

i'd use Driftenno but no Saita Prime or Commodore Prime for that one

[olive tartan]

I do like my commodore prime

[steep delta]

i just want Driftenno to be able to use old suits

[balmy ice]

I want Driftenno to have a chest

Or just cool suits/body options.

[lost summit]

I want body options. Stringbean is ok and all but i want Arnold body giving suplexs to grineer and noogies to corpus

[balmy ice]

scenes as drifter hideout extensions when

[steep delta]

yes!!!

[lost summit]

Drifter camp farm when? I wanna grow stuff and water it.

Lol

[steep delta]

I just want more voicelines depending on who you are using Operator/Drifter

[rocky sparrow]

Hyyyyyype

Might have been there for a while but I just found it. Space dad is coming back! Can't wait for that

[orchid remnant]

You missed a little

[edgy sierra]

Space uncle, actually. Ballas was our estranged father

But uh, you didn't watch the 2022 duvire trailer, did you? May wanna give that a watch

[indigo plank]

Nah teshin is our space step father

Or adoptive father actually

[thick jolt]

Space uncle
He gets to teach us cool stuff while not raising us

[torpid lantern]

Ordis is the best space dad, change my mind

[edgy sierra]

He's just our babysitter

[supple dagger]

And then Yontas our wife

[torpid lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-ban-hammer-ban-hammer-banned-gif-21505649

[supple dagger]

I—what’s wrong with Yonta tho; - ;

[torpid lantern]

maybe one day we'll get to learn more about the operator's actual parents

[supple dagger]

Like if you prefer men then you could choose Cavalero insteaddd

[torpid lantern]

They're deceased. And grown adults while the operators were minors on the Zariman. The thought it just icky

[obtuse gyro]

Necro and pedo, a weird combination

[torpid lantern]

Please don't.... 😅

[edgy sierra]

Yeah, but technically our operator has survived much longer than the holdfasts, so whos the child now?

[obtuse gyro]

The child who never got to age?

[supple dagger]

Ohhh I forgot they were dead, lol mbb

[edgy sierra]

Operators are just Peter Pan
Change My Mind

Tenno have special magic abilities, never age and have a fairy friend (if you have her)

[torpid lantern]

And they wear tights in awkward colors and make sparkles wherever they go!

[thick jolt]

Ordis is space alfred

[edgy sierra]

YES

[torpid lantern]

which alfred xD

I don't know who that is

[cyan crest]

Batman Alfred

[thick jolt]

The only one

[torpid lantern]

oooooh

[edgy sierra]

Batman's butler

[torpid lantern]

so the operators are batman? Plausible

[thick jolt]

We do have that batman tennogen for ash

[edgy sierra]

We have limitless cash and armoured suits with special abilities

[cyan crest]

I once had a batman Mesa prime so it makes total sense

[thick jolt]

Lol

[cyan crest]

Batman doesn't use guns? I disagree

[edgy sierra]

Bramma's not a gun

[thick jolt]

Im sure theres at least one version of batman with guns

He does use a judicious ammount of explosives tho

[cyan crest]

I mean the one with Thomas used guns I think

[edgy sierra]

So Batman is a combination of Vauban and Ash then?

Oh, and Baruuk, cause punchy boi

[thick jolt]

So. Many. Batmans.
There just might be a batman for every frame

[edgy sierra]

Flying Batman? Zephyr
Weeb Batman? Excalibur
Batman after Mr Freeze? Frost
Batman with guns? Mesa
Joker Batman? Limbo or Loki

[thick jolt]

Feral manbat ? Valkyr

[supple dagger]

I feel like The Batman Who Laughs would be exclusively Limbo

[thick jolt]

Batman v superman suit would probably be rhino

[edgy sierra]

I, as a Limbo player, come across a lot more Loki trolls than Limbo

[supple dagger]

That's bc Loki is fun to play

[edgy sierra]

You can back out of the rift, can't back out of a switch teleport

[thick jolt]

One day ill figure out a paper analogy for loki's switch teleport then my loki is paper frame theory will be complete

Decoy is a paper cutout

Invisibility is just him turning into paper so thin its transparent

Disarm gives enemies paper cuts so they drop their weapons

[edgy sierra]

He folds space like paper between the points where the people are located?

[thick jolt]

I like that one but still feels like a bit of a stretch

[peak minnow]

Is Lotus the actual enemy

Hmm, seems plausible, doesn't it?

[high otter]

I mean. Imagine if we, as tenno, helped build an alliance with the corpus and grineer instead of killing them off so many times. The sentients would've been soooo easy to beat

So yes, the lotus may be considered as an enemy
But in my heart she's still space mom so no, she's not enemy

[peak minnow]

I see

[cyan crest]

I have to ask a question before answering that, how far are you into the quests?

[peak minnow]

On venus xD

Currently doing Fortuna one xD

[high otter]

Oh so you don't know clem...

My apologies

[peak minnow]

Yep I know nothing

Oh btw, how do I do that spin and dash in air thingy lol, helps cover distances

[cyan crest]

damn
You'll uh... Your question will be answered

multiple times actually

[high otter]

Indeed
Follow the story. I personally loved it

[cyan crest]

Crouch and jump

[high otter]

And aim when you want to slow down your fall

Normal pc gamer's keyboard wear : wasd

Wf pc player : space ctrl shift

[peak minnow]

Anyone care to help me lol

I can really use some professional help

[high otter]

But half the fun is in discovering the game

[peak minnow]

I need to complete a stealth mission in fortuna and stealth is not really my strong suit

@high otter Can you help lol

[cyan crest]

There was a stealth bounty in Vox Solaris?

[high otter]

I'm not online in-game atm 😦 but I can guide you a bit on how to be stealthy

[peak minnow]

Do I stream?

Sadly, I can't stream in this server it says

[high otter]

First thing you want to consider is going through your mods and see if you have anything that gives you "enemy radar"

[high otter]

It's OK, I'm also on mobile so it probably wouldn't work

[high otter]

Second, use a bow/silent weapon

Third sneak up behind enemies and hit x to do a finisher on them

[peak minnow]

Btw

Do these revives get recharged or they are a one-time thing?

[cyan crest]

Recharged every mission

[cyan crest]

I always forget how much easier stealth is after war within

[high otter]

True...

[high otter]

Although I don't really use my... You know what for stealth purposes, unless it's for emergencies, because I ran out of energy or something

[peak minnow]

Well, I have the basic weapons only -

The gun, Kunai and the sword whatever

[high otter]

You can get the starter bow. Go to arsenal and buy it

[cyan crest]

Just switch to the kunai then

Or buy the mk1 paris that's also good

[brisk moss]

Lb, LT, A

[brisk moss]

Why are we redacting information here, this is the spoiler channel. Thought you were making an innuendo

[thick jolt]

Well they are helping a new player

[brisk moss]

Yes but

[jagged crane]

Tbf the new player shouldn’t have come asking for help on like the 2nd quest of the game in the spoilers channel… that’s like the best possible way to have as many spoilers as possible

[scarlet basalt]

That's so good that it's now clear that a sentient isn't a joke in terms of machinery/technology.
Ordis not knowing what they're dealing with because eidolon aren't normal beings in comparison with other things.
I do wonder then if Lord of Tau are alien or sentients, Like if they're alien they understood the machine's complexity of an eidolon but if not. Well it's other type of eidolons.

[jagged crane]

Wait did we get new sentient lore?

[obtuse gyro]

archon hunts

but the Lords of Tau sound to be Sentient and not alien

[scarlet basalt]

Yep, that was also interesting the new things that was told/hinted.
Lotus saying that Amar trained her and that the ram is "controlling" Erra

[torpid lantern]

I'm kinda terrified of Pazuul. He makes skewed Bible references and said he's not scared of MITW, rather bragging that MITW cowers before him.

Anyone in game that's not scared of MITW is terrifying

[languid torrent]

He also yelled some fairly disturbing stuff after we got the hostage out. So I'm not 100% sure he's all there in the head, either.

[jagged crane]

When did this happen? I didn’t get any voicelines from him in this weeks hunt except for the one after we freed the hostage

[north trail]

Have you also noticed the lines in kahl's mission

Straight up says "devour me"

That dude is scary

[graceful zodiac]

I'm pretty sure that's a reference to the Tenno, not Wally

None of them besides Lotus should even know Wally is a thing

[torpid lantern]

I thought that too at first but he's using the Singular when talking about the demon. So far the only characters that called Tenno a demon (other than Helminth) is Ballas who called them "Void Devils" and used the plural.
Also the Sentients do not consider the Tenno mighty, none of them have ever called them anything close to a mighty demon.

And I beheld a great Ram, and the horns of him were crowned with soul, and with Tau. And upon his tongue, the Zariman flame, and the mighty demon of the Void, cowered before him. And he feared it not.

[north trail]

I feel like pazuul confirms my "tau is the end goal" theory

[graceful zodiac]

Neither has Wally either too. He could just be referencing our specific Tenno given we're the one that gets in the way

[torpid lantern]

Here's Pazuul talking about the Tenno to Lotus:

And what of your purpose, Natah? Were you sired, only to be wet-nurse to these...putrid apes? Which of us truly needs to save the other?"

Putrid Apes is pretty far from Mighty Demon of the void

[graceful zodiac]

That's a reference in plural, yes

[orchid remnant]

I wonder if MITW really was scared of Pazuul or if he just let him pass

[torpid lantern]

Plural is not what I'm pointing out here. The reverence he had for the other thing is definitely not the same he gives the Tenno

[obtuse gyro]

I dont think wally is scared of an archon who gets to watch the other archons get their teeth constantly kicked in

[north trail]

Well pazuul is clearly more intelligent than the rest

[graceful zodiac]

Oh yeah, in the end it's just insane ramblings

[torpid lantern]

I don't think Pazuul is who he says he is

I feel like he's the mouthpiece of something else

[north trail]

It seems that being in erra's body lets him be way closer to his "origjnal" form than the other who are in warframes

[orchid remnant]

I wonder if Pazuul has a family

[jagged crane]

What if the mighty demon of the void isn’t Wally but something we haven’t even seen yet

[north trail]

"bite my head clean off mother"

[jagged crane]

What if there’s something more powerful than Wally out there

[torpid lantern]

His relationship with the other Archons is also strange. Boreal wants to kill him. Amar got tricked by him, and Nira seems to have been the one to get him set up with Erra

[north trail]

How i see wally rn he's either the entity behind dominus thrax or he's the product of dominus messing with us

[torpid lantern]

I think he's Dominus

[zenith jacinth]

Wally is wally

[north trail]

Honestly wally being just a bit of dominus' power would be a great twist

Because "you know what eldritch horror everyone fears, he's just the creation of an even greater eldritch horror"

[orchid remnant]

True

That’s where the good guts are

Or something like that

[zenith jacinth]

I don't think they're related at all aside from both being related to the void in some way

[orchid remnant]

Is thrax really that eldritch though

[north trail]

Pazuul definitely has some of the voice lines in the game of warframe

[orchid remnant]

He’s just a whiny kid

[torpid lantern]

DE said Dominus is someone we know. And at the end of New War, we know MITW escaped from Duviri. There's not really anyone else we know that can manipulate the Void. And please dont say "eternalism" again

[north trail]

A whiny kid that affects a whole plane of existence by whining

[orchid remnant]

Yeah but I can do that too

[north trail]

Really?

Do it then

[jagged crane]

Lol I can’t tell if this is a joke or if you just forgot to put a descriptive word in there

[orchid remnant]

Yes! 🫡

[graceful zodiac]

Not from Duviri. We know the Zariman is connected to it, but Wally isn't there from his first appearance.

[north trail]

It's a joke

Honestly at this point

[torpid lantern]

He left Duviri at the end of the New War. DE also confirmed this on tennocon, but you can tell when watching the endscene because everything goes greyscale

[orchid remnant]

I wonder if Wally was really trapped in Duviri or if he was just visiting his vacation home and saw a shiny door

[north trail]

If natah became a sentient again and we went to save her, and erra got possessed by an archon and lotus wants him back, who's erra gonna set out to save after

[orchid remnant]

And went through

[north trail]

Hunhow?

[lost summit]

Hunwho

[torpid lantern]

It's interesting because the Holdfast mentioned him escaping as if he was stuck in there

[cyan crest]

Hunwhat are you all talking about?

[torpid lantern]

Hunwhy are we asking?

[cyan crest]

Hunwhy not?

[orchid remnant]

Hmm

Interesting!

[obtuse gyro]

They used those words exactly?

[jagged crane]

Pretty sure the drifter escaping in new war and the Zariman appearing right after are deliberately connected

So Wally could piggyback on that

[graceful zodiac]

I'd say the greayscale effect is just general time manipulation given the same thing happen with the Unum

[jagged crane]

Oh

I hadn’t even thought of that

[graceful zodiac]

You have any other quotes, cause I only remember Yonta just saying something burst through the membrane, nothing about an escape.

And on quick review, the Unum effect isn't quite the same. A desaturation, but not full grayscale

[torpid lantern]

.it's not. De said themselves on the Art panel that it's Duviri

[north trail]

Duviri is not fully greyscale either

[orchid remnant]

There were two kinds of Dax in Duviri

[torpid lantern]

This was the exact quote from the art team about MITW's appearance at the end of the New War
"We wanted to tie it closer to how the void represents duviri and things you see there."

He came from Duviri and got out through the hole Ballas made in the Albrecht Membrane

[torpid lantern]

Close! It's actually because the MITW escaped that the Zariman is there.
Yonta says this:
"Before you ask, no we can't move the ship. Something I wasn't sure existed has burst through the Albrecht Membrane and right now the Zariman is plugging that hole. Pop her out and we'd see Void Storms from here to Mercury. Which would be fascinating if memorably horrible."

[lost summit]

Itd be a good way to get rid of the infested though

[cyan crest]

They're not particularly weak to void or fissures

It'd get rid of a lot of sentients tho

[graceful zodiac]

Do you have the timestamp, cause it doesn't come when they were on Wally

[torpid lantern]

Give me a click

[torpid lantern]

https://youtu.be/5sAlypodDFs
16:47

[supple dagger]

Question about the Styanax anime. Was Ascension Day the full anime or is the anime not out yet?

[orchid remnant]

It’s the full one

[supple dagger]

Oh ok, ty

[torpid lantern]

Also the hole MITW made leads directly to Duviri because we can see it in the skybox 🙂

I also think it's kinda funny that the Drifter complains during AOZ that no matter where he goes, the same Grineer ghosts are always chasing him. That sucks lol

[supple dagger]

Why are all the drifter faces so ugly

[jagged crane]

Drifter faces aren’t bad, it’s how the male body fits into all of the cosmetics except base drifter and grineer outfits that’s bad.
You can get a pretty good face if you spend a little it testing it out and seeing what you like

[supple dagger]

It's been 3 hours

[jagged crane]

This is mine and I think it looks fine

[orchid remnant]

For a second I thought he was wearing a red clown nose

[jagged crane]

It’s an old picture I kept just to remember the settings I put the face to when I change it up a bit inevitably so it’s not a great photo

[orchid remnant]

Wait can we apply that eyepatch to kahl it looks just like what he would wear ngl

[jagged crane]

He already has one lol

[orchid remnant]

Yeah but I mean that specific one

[zenith jacinth]

Less anime, more just animation

[supple dagger]

Yea true. I just wished it was longer, but the animation was amazing so I’m not complaining lol

[languid torrent]

I mean, tbh, I'd love to see them go back and animate the rest of the Leverian shorts. Imagine Gauss outrunning the explosions in that sort of style.

...I know, budget, but still.

Or Ivara going after the Myrmydion. You'd barely need music for the fight, just ambient sounds.

[zenith jacinth]

Lavos

I'd love to actually see what Javi wrote and how lavos slowly became less and less brutish

[languid torrent]

Yeah!

[zenith jacinth]

Hmm

There's not one leverian I wouldn't want to see animated. Ash's could look like assassin's creed embers or something (for hopefully obvious reasons)

[supple dagger]

As a Gauss main: I would love to see that

[hexed ember]

I wanna see the ash one animated just because he is my favorite : (

[lost summit]

are any of the archon mods worth it?

im feeling like i should just save till i can get a archon shard

[edgy sierra]

yes

[obtuse gyro]

If you're using a frame that wants strength and has a healing ability (harrow, gloom users, trinity, so on and so forth) archon intensify is a free 60% strength

[edgy sierra]

Does Titania's passive count for that though?

[obtuse gyro]

The only other "intensify" mod that can out do that is umbral intensify, but requires you to triple umbral mod which isnt what many would go for for minmaxing properly

[obtuse gyro]

From what people have tested, no

[edgy sierra]

That sucks

[obtuse gyro]

Cant copy and paste the list off the wiki without having redundant texts but a list is on there nontheless

[rain otter]

just taunting us

also this prove he changed all his bio parts with Untraceable ones on purpose

which idk if that was the case

[wild wind]

If all Solaris were as intense as Chipper Fortuna wouldn't need SU or Tenno assistance

[rain otter]

lmao

COMBAT MODE SOLARIS

[wild wind]

Heck they'd probably be dictating terms to the Corpus on all of Venus

"Want to park your capital ship here? Parking fee. Or else."

[rain otter]

but yeah I wanna know Chippers backstory now since he said i cant know it.

now i gotta know

[wild wind]

He promised his mom he wouldn't do crime, so he stopped. Instead he sells stuff for criminals to use for crime.

Man's a genius.

[rain otter]

i wonder what his real face looks like?

[wild wind]

Rank 5 camp maybe

Or you could check the reddit thread

[rain otter]

theres a thread?

[wild wind]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/xen2oq/this_is_chipper/

[rain otter]

also just running through his dialogue before he does this like Rebel thing he used to be a Janitor?

[lost summit]

i cant wait till they have a thumper in the camp

[wild wind]

Lol

I wonder if the camp is going to expand to the other area

[lost summit]

also, i need a freed infested since khal can free who ever he meets it seems

[rain otter]

idk it will get a bigger though

[tropic falcon]

is some new about the cross play and cross save?

[rain otter]

at least 2 Ranks bigger lmao

[obtuse gyro]

"Testing soon"

[wild wind]

I mean, the ranks added one guy next to Kahl

[rain otter]

Yee I was agreeing

[wild wind]

Lol I meant that if they do end up in the big field they're going to make a big jump

[rain otter]

ah yeah

[worldly oak]

Why would Narmer put a veil on an Infested??! Why would anyone do something that insane?! You NEVER screw around with the Technocyte because it can assimilate, and then replicate anything! If it eats a Veil, it's essentially Game Over! You just made the Infested's goal of devouring all life in the galaxy SO MUCH easier...!

I know living and dying in their own little world is Narmer's religion, but surely not even THEY'RE so stupid that they'd do such a thing!

[slim anvil]

how would you even veil an infested, its barely a sentient entity let alone something with actual desires to exploit

its just a giant bug made of dead people, you cant really mind control that

[worldly oak]

The Infested all have one desire, and you know full well what it is!

[zenith jacinth]

They can't replicate stuff tho

[lost summit]

BECAUSE OF THE MEMES MAN! THE MEMES! imagine having a friendly ancient to pal around with!

[slim anvil]

yeah but they dont have individual identity
theyre all part of the hive

[languid torrent]

The only thing I could think of is if the Veil works on the same principle as the Neural Sentry. If it does, you might be able to veil an Infested and get away with it, but if you do Veil an Infested and it assimilates the Veil, god help us, we have a mind-control Ancient.

[slim anvil]

narmer corrupted and infested hivemind fighting over who controls the most fleshbags

[worldly oak]

I read somewhere that they could; making perfect copies of anything they've eaten, so like they could still lure you in with the image of your loved ones even after you've killed those assimilated loved ones.

[hexed ember]

are you sure that was from this game

[worldly oak]

Most of it is half-remembered stuff I read from TV Tropes.

[graceful zodiac]

They can assimilate a consciousness , but they've only ever taken a normal appearance once as an experiment.

[rain otter]

I mean the Infested overall is Sentient and has a Goal. Idk if you could viel a single part of it.

[slim anvil]

yea

[rain otter]

More than once

As means to ends.

[edgy sierra]

Arlo was one, Jordas was another

Mouldy Salad V is another too

[graceful zodiac]

Alad wasn't even an attempt at anything. But Jordas counts, even if he's half and half

[edgy sierra]

I don't think even Alad would have created the mutalists if not in control, but ok

[graceful zodiac]

What? Alad eventually got infected as a by product of his experiments. The question was on the Infestation using people as lures.

[edgy sierra]

He infected himself? Oh, must've missed that. NVM

[balmy storm]

My friend is having an amazing bug with the new war where Wally and the Drifter are invisible in cutscenes with the operator lmao

[untold hound]

is there a way to let your tenno eat?

[lunar coral]

I think...i've only ever seen the Drifter eat.

In The New War.

Like our Operator was handed food but they...they never drank/ate. I've never seen our operator consume food...

Though it very much implied that the Drifter does.

[edgy sierra]

I don't think our operator does anything you hoomans do. I don't think we even see them breathe

[zenith jacinth]

They definitely breathe

[cyan crest]

The operator started eating and drinking in the new war Dormizone scene

[steep delta]

🐍 🐍 🐍 heart of deimos final battle explained in emojis

And what was that about the Operator

[cyan crest]

What was what about the operator?

[steep delta]

Tenno Science?

[cyan crest]

What?

Sorry but you'll have to be more specific about the question you're asking

[twin fjord]

Loving these Kahl missions

The stealth one last week and the one this week, perfection.

[lost summit]

I want a big battle kahl mission soon though. 30 brothers and a thumper charging in against the veiled

[jagged crane]

Except the whole point is we’re supposed to be freeing the veiled not killing them

[lost summit]

I mean, did you see what happened to the decons? I dont think we freed them from the veil so much as freed them from this mortal plane

[frozen rune]

Except the priests, the priests are unworthy of freeing

[lost summit]

And the robots

[graceful zodiac]

Deacons aren't veiled, they're just constructs

[frozen rune]

Robots aren't sentient though

[graceful zodiac]

And proxies are proxies

[hexed ember]

Yeah deacons are.. some sorta robot?

[lost summit]

Right so a big fight against robots and decons and zuul

[supple dagger]

Lol I forgot that we could unveil grinner and I ended up killing every veiled grineer I saw. When I heard that you could save them I felt so bad

[frozen rune]

And maybe a Tenno who just pats Kahl on the head saying "No no no, this is for the grown ups not tube men"

[hexed ember]

But Kahl do good job. Tenno no trust Kahl?

[frozen rune]

Kahl did good job, but Tenno must commit genocide now

[lost summit]

If clem trusts kahl then i will ti

[frozen rune]

I wonder...how many war crimes have the tenno committed

[hexed ember]

0, geneva long gone

[graceful zodiac]

one, by the standards of the universe

And the Orokin had it coming in that case

[frozen rune]

Considering the Tenno had no control over that I'd say they're exempt from the Orokin genocide

Let's see:
The Grineer and Corpus don't have civilians so murder of civilians is off the table.
The Tenno don't use slave labor as far as I can tell
The Tenno keep no prisoners of war...
Nor hostages

So that leaves:
Possible Torture/inhuman treatment considering what we mod our weapons for and abilities that we use...
Certainly plunder of their property
Wanton destruction of cities/towns/villages
Devastation not justified by military necessity
And destruction of culturally significant items
And finally genocide.

So at least 6 charges of war crimes, I have yet to read the Geneva Convention so I'm not gonna speculate on the contents. And now to go to lunch

[hexed ember]

We do take prisoners of war, sorta