spoiler-chat

[cyan crest]

Depends on what you chose and how that choice went down

[balmy storm]

What quest were they from

[rain otter]

Also we make a Lotta things in the forge

[cyan crest]

Glast gambit

[rain otter]

Ordis could make

Crackers with the Foundry.

[balmy ice]

Kinda wish Dual focus schools were a thing

[balmy storm]

Also see Alad V lol

[cyan crest]

You have waybound stuff

[balmy storm]

I think I blacked out that entire quest, I’m not even sure how the drawings ended up by my foundry

[balmy ice]

Yeah but waybound stuff doesn’t really scratch that itch

I got all of em

[balmy storm]

I want more abilities

[balmy ice]

I’d mainly like Unairu + Vazarin

[cyan crest]

Does this imply Alad got infested by munching on thr infested tissue he was studying

[balmy ice]

And more abilities ye

[balmy storm]

This doesn’t answer my question but glad to know I will die before I could digest it

[balmy ice]

I was really hoping for operator upgrade with drifter and new war

[balmy storm]

I’m going to pretend he totally did

[balmy ice]

But it was just reworked and they removed a lot of good abilities

[cyan crest]

Note to self: become Kavat

[balmy storm]

He got a sandwich at a grineer outpost

[balmy ice]

like Unairu group cloak

[real niche]

Yeah you're screwed, no Infested steaks for you

[balmy storm]

What exactly is Venari?
Are they an infested Kavat or just a Kavat that has void powers of some kind

[balmy ice]

Technically you can digest infestation as nidus

[balmy storm]

[balmy ice]

Like a improved VR experience

Umbra Nidus when

[cyan crest]

Venari's technical categorization is Good Girl

[balmy storm]

Oh okay

[cyan crest]

Why lol we already have prime Nidus

[balmy ice]

Just for the sake of eating infestation steaks

[cyan crest]

fair enough

Wait operators are inmune to infestation
WE CAN EAT IT!

[balmy storm]

I want a bowl to put infested material in for my Kavat to eat

[balmy storm]

WHY HAVENT WE TRIED TO YET

[balmy ice]

Also with operators I mentioned the dual focus schools cause I’d really like it to be a more singular tree system.

[balmy storm]

the forbidden snack

[balmy ice]

Focus schools are treated like a kind of martial arts concept.

And if we can switch freely

[cyan crest]

Bite the infested part of the outside of the helminth door

[balmy ice]

I don’t see why we can’t mix two into one.

Even if it is for a quality of life sorta thing.

[rain otter]

Helminth is a special infestation btw.

[cyan crest]

And there are different breeds of chicken but they're all chicken

[balmy storm]

I’ll take a nibble out of the entrati’s infested flower things
Maybe I can help free them

[balmy ice]

Also game really needs a guided tenno experience so veterans can just random matchmake with tenno that enable it.

[balmy storm]

Still infested
But now I’m wondering if different strains have different flavors

[balmy ice]

If operators are immune to infestation does that mean we could ask the helminth to give us super powers

[cyan crest]

It would be extremely painful

[balmy storm]

Does the vome strain taste like raspberry while the fass strains tastes like. Idk, cherry? Or maybe it’s spicy!

[balmy ice]

We’re out here designing the new end game

[rain otter]

It's more like this listens to us and us doilce unlike all other infestation.

[balmy ice]

Who dies from infestation burgers last

Round 1 : Go!

[cyan crest]

They're not really different strains
But sure try to bite the LaserWorm

[balmy storm]

I had the idea for an infested operator but I’m not even sure if that would work and subjecting a child to the helminth process would be awful…

[tribal hemlock]

what about the outfit?

[balmy storm]

Let me pretend the funny worms taste different

[balmy ice]

Maybe she’ll get psychically connected with laser worm

Forget ordis air support

[balmy storm]

I become the laser worm

[balmy ice]

when you have laser worm air support

Screeeeee fwoom

[cyan crest]

It could be the underwear or maybe also the base zariman suit
Maybe even the voidshell one

[cyan crest]

We're still canonically inmune according to the operator banter in infested missions

[rain otter]

Okay I would say it's more like the Rest of the infestation is a pack of Wolves and our Helminth is a trained Household Dog.

[cyan crest]

yeah that makes sense

A wall mouth dog

[balmy storm]

I love our funny dog

[balmy ice]

A dog that gives us super powers

[balmy storm]

well. No

[rigid yoke]

so like every dog

[balmy ice]

Still hope we get more operator abilities at some point now that it is the same as warframe button inputs

[balmy storm]

It changes other people and they have powers, we just pilot them through thought

[balmy storm]

Operator void melee when

[cyan crest]

Yes every dog is a mouth on a wall

[balmy storm]

I want to summon void gauntlets and punch people with pure void energy

[balmy ice]

I want more void magic

[cyan crest]

I want less eternalism

[balmy ice]

Like the old madurai fire ball and unairu invisibility

[rain otter]

If we ever get Infested Liches I think the Leader of the Infested will try to make their own Helminth strain will be part of it.

[balmy ice]

I want more eternalism

cause aren’t we getting a 3rd operator?

[tribal hemlock]

I did tried the voidshell, but I can't replicate the look at all

[rain otter]

No

[cyan crest]

I should correct miself I want the fans to use eternalism less

[balmy storm]

Eternalism doesn’t give us anything

The void does

[cyan crest]

No

[balmy ice]

The one that panics in cutscene for duvuri seems like a different tenno from drifter

[cyan crest]

He's literally called Drifter

[balmy storm]

They aren’t different

[wicked iron]

It's the Drifter before The New War. We're seeing their story.

[balmy storm]

If you could have any power through the void what would you have

[rigid yoke]

Tho the presence of somatics still bothers me

[wicked iron]

Or after, as it were. Paradox funness. 😄

[balmy ice]

Ye I know, maybe the old cutscene drifter just looks older because of beard lol.

In any case I hope focus rework happens

focus rework rework?

[tribal hemlock]

man, why is it hard to check other's loadout through profile?

[rigid yoke]

again? no chance

[rain otter]

I seems to be the time when we fade to black after the Op Gets Stabbed.

[cyan crest]

Drifter is probably getting somatics with duviri

[balmy ice]

Not a literal rework but just more abilities

[rigid yoke]

Fair enough

[tribal hemlock]

like, lack of detail for what kind of deco they equipped with?

[rain otter]

And a beard

[balmy storm]

That doesn’t make sense though, right?
Like for fashion it’s fine but somatics relate to something with the operator, not the drifter?

[balmy ice]

I think being able to use nataruk but as an operator ability would be nice

Or the drifter gadgets

I miss those gadgets

[balmy storm]

Same

[balmy ice]

Like whatever focus school you use it influences the effect nataruk does.

[rigid yoke]

Somatics have to do with void exposure. Drifter can acquire somatics through the same means as Operator. It just doesnt make sense until they get exposed to it

[cyan crest]

In universe they could get them after New war, but since cosmetics can carry to other quests you get weird stuff like Umbra in second dream

[balmy storm]

But they don’t come from the void

[rigid yoke]

They dont. They may come from the people that live in it tho

[cyan crest]

You can by all means replay second dream with Umbra
Does it make sense? No, but you can on replays

[balmy storm]

Cool

[balmy ice]

Eternalism

[balmy storm]

You’re gonna hate me so much
||Eternalism-||

[rigid yoke]

cease

[balmy ice]

Umbra vs Umbra

[balmy storm]

Ah ya beat me to it lol

[balmy ice]

Drifter vs Operator

The battle of the ages

[cyan crest]

They probably had this drifter use his somatics because he used them in the original trailer and nothing else

[rigid yoke]

was that a pun

[balmy storm]

I do want to see our grown adult beat up our child

[rigid yoke]

yknow, because they have different ag-

[primal thorn]

gun

[balmy storm]

Technically they could be the same age
I think?
Idk, duviri time is weird and not understood

[balmy ice]

I need a ordis ringtone

[brisk moss]

Dont believe thats related

[balmy ice]

I think Drifter is still older but you technically could be correct

[cyan crest]

It was a joke

[rigid yoke]

To be completely technical, theyre the same age. Operators body just looks younger due to fridge therapy

[balmy ice]

Fair point

[balmy storm]

Ik I’m joking lol

[balmy storm]

I knew it ty

[balmy ice]

We get fridge life until we learn what the heck is going on

But physical age, and probably mental age for drifter is probably still older than operator.

[brisk moss]

I know but

nvm

[balmy storm]

I wish I could go to sleep and dream about being a cool space robot

[rigid yoke]

Phisically as in, how much has their brains developed, yes, drifter is older, even if Duviri time is still "slower" than regular

[cyan crest]

Due to Duviri time looping you could argue that time doesn't really pass other than one day there, making drifter technically the younger version

[rigid yoke]

[brisk moss]

Dont they talk of the old war being something ancient? It makes me a little skeptical

[balmy ice]

Yeah but our operator is still fridge therapy life after that

[rigid yoke]

But that would count that one day we see on the gameplay. They still have to reach that physical state

[cyan crest]

Remember we were asleep as a warframe for centuries too

[balmy ice]

Drifter gets time loop therapy life with a way to break the loop

We get fridge therapy

[balmy storm]

I love warframe

[balmy ice]

Then everything just gets wonky

[brisk moss]

Yeah thats what I mean, so I would think drifter is younger technically

[balmy storm]

I love this community

[cyan crest]

yes but like they can grow 20 years old and then loop that day for 20 thousand years

[balmy storm]

I don’t love using eternalism
Use the void instead

[brisk moss]

Not mentally or physically but just in time passed

[rigid yoke]

Well, yeah, but operator never even reached 20 years old before going into the cold tub

[balmy ice]

Eternalism is still a fun concept

I love time travel physics and stories

[brisk moss]

Me too :>

[balmy storm]

Yes but it isn’t a tool to make anything happen, the void does that.

[balmy ice]

Where it just fixes itself and the result is basically just two of you.

[hexed ember]

I don't like time travel because it is almost never done well

[cyan crest]

The point is that time passed for them, even if they didn't really age
For drifter time literally repeated

[hexed ember]

I wouldn't consider eternalism time travel, though

[balmy ice]

Another book I read follows a similar premise and the main character ends up with a brother because the time line couldn’t justify there being 2 of him in one place.

[rigid yoke]

You know what, fair point

[cyan crest]

Time travel under eternalism is technically possible since both past and future are real
You just have to find a way to do it. And we don't have one

[hexed ember]

eternalism is more than time travel, its more like.. a multiverse-y thing

[brisk moss]

We have one but we cant control it nor do we understand it yet

[torpid lantern]

My head hurts so much right now trying to keep up 🤣

[balmy ice]

Time travel is a multiverse

But just a multi layered multiverse

[cyan crest]

It's both, irl eternalism doesn't require a multiverse theory but DE mixed them

[balmy ice]

You exist here and there at the same time but at different times.

[brisk moss]

4th dimensional chess

[balmy ice]

Im here im there but im also back there and maybe up above too.

[hexed ember]

Eh. I would disagree, existing here and there at the 'same time but different times' isn't time travel.

[balmy ice]

But yet it is

Because if you time travel

You had to exist at Point B to exist at Point A if you didn’t exist at Point A

[cyan crest]

It can enable time travel since those times exist and are as accesible as other universes

[hexed ember]

time travel doesn't 'need' multiverse, but eternalism in game clearly has multiverse

[balmy ice]

which means point B you exists to become point A you.

[hexed ember]

it can enable it, yes

but it's also not inherent, and i don't think it has happened yet in warframe.

[cyan crest]

Neither multiverse nor time travel are the main point of eternalism, they're just byproducts of it in this case

[balmy ice]

^

[cyan crest]

the deadlock protocol

Although that was time travel through rewinds

[balmy ice]

Eternalism is time justifying what happens when past meets future or multiverses collide.

[hexed ember]

huh, eternalism is a thing irl

[balmy ice]

Ye

[hexed ember]

oh, block universe is eternamlism...

[cyan crest]

It's just a theory of time that says of all time exists and is equally real
The problem is that without multiverse it's super deterministic

Because without different possibilities you'd just go a defined path

[balmy ice]

Yeah

[cyan crest]

Hence the need to mix them

[hexed ember]

because the entire dimension of time was already 'made' (exists), effectively

[balmy ice]

A book series I read follows it as well.

[hexed ember]

(in the case of no multiverse)

[balmy ice]

I think it was called the missing

I like the idea of eternalism and multiverse being a thing at the same time.

But I guess that’s technically just eternalism in general.

[hexed ember]

neat, I didn't know that concept(block universe) had a cool name like that... I remember thinking it up as teenager and thinking i was unique just to find out someone thought of it like a century earlier...

[cyan crest]

Yup
With multiverse it's the same but choice is enabled since the different paths exist to justify variables

Like an infinitely faced block where each face is each possible path that time can take depending on microscopic variables

[balmy ice]

I wonder how chaotic it gets once you include potentiality of a simulation

Like Eternalism Simulation

A world within a world within a world

Multiverse but Eternalism at the same time

[hexed ember]

i feel like a simulation would just be like having a computer within a computer - it doesn't really add anything to what you can do but its kinda cool you can do it

[urban saddle]

I've had mine for 5 years over 4 phones, hes not leaving. He's scared several people and counting 😂

[rigid yoke]

Wait, thats actually genious, hold on

[urban saddle]

"Inbox messages await the Operator, I wonder what they say?" Has been mine for the 5 years and I don't plan on changing it 😂

Had people ask me if it was Jarvis, but they're always disappointed when I tell them otherwise

[balmy ice]

How did you set it up

I must know

always wanted an ordis ringtone

I also intend to make or set up a ordis voicemail

[cunning copper]

Know what I would do? Cephalon Cy ringtones

Cephalon Cy as a doorbell would be hilarious

[languid torrent]

Visitors. Your short lives are about to become crap, dipped in misery.

[balmy ice]

Well now I have TWO cephalon systems I gotta set up

[brisk moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/852945454371307571.webp?size=48&quality=lossless

[balmy ice]

What a way to scare off door to door salespeople

[urban saddle]

I need that 😂😂

[balmy ice]

Jarvas style Cephalon cy

they step on a specific step and he immediately quips

[tribal hemlock]

I can literally hear that through words lmao

[urban saddle]

ME TOO 😂😭

[cunning copper]

"here comes the b team"

[balmy ice]

and as soon as they leave

“Boarders eliminated”

[tribal hemlock]

u play as deaf voice too?

like, no voice nor transmitted sound

I even disable the operator voice too :P

only the thing that bother me is the UI sound effect

it's a bit too loud to me, and kinda wish there is a way to reduce it

[urban saddle]

I don't like the Operator voices mainly because the lines sound more robotic and whats on the script so mines been disabled since the Second Dream

[tribal hemlock]

I didn't like the voice at all, too repeated

like, I just want the sound

tho I've disabled the music too

[woven cliff]

My warframe is strong

[balmy badger]

Move and strike, we have to win this!

[balmy ice]

Since I use drifter I don’t see any of that

I want drifter quips like how Cy does for railjack

[zenith jacinth]

Bruh you just have nothing enabled or what?

[scenic gazelle]

he got sound at least

[tribal hemlock]

sound only, with the annoying UI

just so I won't hear Loutis' annoying voice

nor the others like, I could read the text before they finished it bruh

tho for some reason, I feel like operator didn't have casual voiceover other than in quest

oh also, a plus for sound only is that, there won't be much sound cover during mission, sometime the special crate can be audible

[cyan crest]

Playing the new war like that must be really boring

[orchid remnant]

Yea

[zenith jacinth]

The hek

[hexed ember]

Wha

[swift pond]

She is somewhat robotic for a while. I do enjoy Reb's acting in more recent times though, much more emotionally distinct and interesting.

[hexed ember]

I always laugh hearing her intern lines

Just reminds how much the game has changed. They even got her voice actor training at some point!

[swift pond]

For sure for sure! Shows how far you can go with the right coaching.

[brave osprey]

Hey I've been meaning to ask: have we made sense of ||Wally's poem in the New War aside from the Zariman ARG ?||

[real niche]

Nope

[brave osprey]

A poem has to follow rimes, right? So what does it look like if it's arranged like a classic poem?

[cyan crest]

It doesn't really have to follow rimes

Tons of poems don't rime
It's just that most do

I think it has to do with the type of poem it is

[brave osprey]

I tried putting them in their order to make something and i tried organizing them by their meaning i currently made 2 variations

Because I can barely see why they made a spooky moment for one ARG and not during Halloween

[obtuse gyro]

why yall spelling rhymes like that, this aint a 60/60 mod

[brave osprey]

Sry since I didn't know how it was written in English i wrote it in french

[cyan crest]

They said in tennocon that nobody found what Wally said btw

[obtuse gyro]

weirdest thing I saw since even the ARG team thought we did

[brave osprey]

So there is a meaning outside ARG, we're just stuck then?

[torpid lantern]

I can't imagine how the ARG isn't the right order since it's linked directly to the MITW picture. Super strange

[jagged crane]

What’s ARG?

[obtuse walrus]

Augmented reality game, was a teaser for angels of the Zariman update

[jagged crane]

Wait there’s an AR Warframe?

[dreamy zephyr]

No, there's a lore-related activity called ARG

[jagged crane]

I’m confused now lol

[primal thorn]

arg is like clue findings

[cyan crest]

It's alternate

Alternate reality game, not augmented

[jagged crane]

Ahh that makes more sense, cuz augmented reality game is something totally different

[obtuse walrus]

[verbal cloud]

Hello, is this the conspiracy chat of warframe?

[whole rose]

yes

[zenith jacinth]

Sometimes

#lore-discussion devolves into something similar pretty often

[balmy ice]

Has anyone gotten a focus school maxed for the represent section?

I’ve just about maxed vazarin

[craggy solstice]

Represent section?

[hexed ember]

yes

i've maxed more than one even

it's got some decorations, including a cool banner, a hood ornament for your landing craft.. and uh... skin dye for your operator

[craggy solstice]

I think I remember this.

I completely forgot that existed.

[balmy ice]

Isnt there a void skin too

The metal or such

[balmy ice]

It was something added with the focus rework

[craggy solstice]

There appears to be a voidshell material for every school.

[balmy ice]

To me I find Vazarin and Madurai the most unanimously useful for several things.

[craggy solstice]

I find almost all schools useful, although I use Naramon the least.

[balmy ice]

Unairu, Zenurik and Naramon are basically play style related.

[craggy solstice]

Naramon for me is if I just want my combo to decay less and I don't have any interest in it beyond the waybounds.

[balmy ice]

They’re all useful but I find Vazarin and Madurai the most useful for the utility they have.

With combo being reworked and 12x being easy to reach, Naramon feels really clunky.

Like it’s good but clunky.

[craggy solstice]

Vazarin is handy for healing yourself, allies, live targets and such. Good crowd control secondary ability.
Madurai is good for void angel/eidolon hunting.

But also amp leveling too.

[balmy ice]

I use vazarin to heal hijack targets while I get medallions for my syndicates

[craggy solstice]

I didn't consider that.

[balmy ice]

Yeah it’s stuff like that that it really shines for

Also I never play healer frames so I decided vazarin was the most important one to max for me

[hexed ember]

madurai is good for power strength and casting speed too

[indigo plank]

Naramon is best if you're going for melee but have no interest using the dexterity stuff. Madurai is generally really strong, but it's much more operator focused IMO, which makes it somewhat bad if you don't use it much? Even if it still has bonuses for warframe. Vazarin is great for survivability. Zenurik is basically "if you don't have arcane energize use this". Unairu is pretty damn versatile imo. Armor strip, shield strip, free PSF, worse sevagoth passive.

[balmy ice]

I forgot this was a thing, but then remembered when I did a gyre build. Who needs Zenurik when you can just be a living battery.

[hexed ember]

vazarin was the first one i tried to level after rework, to see how good or not the cc was

[balmy ice]

I love the vazarin cc

it’s basically vauban

not to mention the guardian shell is rhino iron skin

[hexed ember]

In the end, I wasn't satisfied enough with it, at least to stick with the school...

Madurai I just love, lets me operator do good and the str/speed is great on my frame

[balmy ice]

Madurai is in a perfect place rn

Good for any endgame stuff and starting focus.

But Unairu im still salty that it lacks a bit of flashy skills like everything else

[indigo plank]

Unairu got probably the best skills tho? Armor strip AND shield strip, and the Revive function

[balmy ice]

Yeah but that’s the thing. It has armor and shield strip, which it’s pretty rare to see an enemy have both.

I would of rather had naramon get armor strip for example.

Revive function is nice sure, but what’s the point of dying in operator for just 4 seconds of immunity.

[indigo plank]

Well for me that's just a proof of its versatility.

[balmy ice]

It is versatile I never said it wasn’t

It’s just dull

[indigo plank]

I meant Last gasp

[balmy ice]

No flashy skills

Yeah but that’s a waybound

I do like that one though.

[indigo plank]

Still unairu. Also wisps are still good

[hexed ember]

last gasp is amazing.. built in void strike damage boost means i can use the madurai 2 and just fire phahds

[balmy ice]

Ye

[hexed ember]

if there's any enemies around i'm always back alive

[balmy ice]

I think having 1 custom passive waybound and 1 custom active waybound would probably solve my issue.

[indigo plank]

Yeah it's nice. If only sevagoth and inaros got that too tho. I mean sevagoth's IS still better than last gasp, but poor inaros

[balmy ice]

cant you still technically trigger last gasp as inaros

[indigo plank]

No. Because of inaros stupid passive

[balmy ice]

Like you tried and it failed?

Or just theory.

[indigo plank]

It just doesn't go into last gaps

[balmy ice]

Last gasp is a button command though that just sounds like a bug

But rip

Anyway for Unairu the armor and shield strip just feels excessive being on one focus school.

[balmy ice]

Like Naramon would really shine with armor strip instead.

[hexed ember]

inaros.. inaros needs attention

[balmy ice]

Inaros is a moving body bag

That is all he is meant to be

[hexed ember]

with a rip, leaking sand

[balmy ice]

but if he got any decent change

Sandstorm should be a exalted weapon

[indigo plank]

Inaros is a walking health bar. Like, even the other "bad" frames are still more useful and interactive than him

[balmy ice]

Sandstorm as an exalted weapon would be gg

[hexed ember]

yeah, the fact that he's bad AND boring is oof

[balmy ice]

I mean the augments kind of help

But I think the sand shadows augment needs to be built in and raise more than one instead for the augment.

Like sand shadows split on death for the duration of the ability

[indigo plank]

Nah, all the "turn enemies into allies" abilities are pretty bad by themselves. It'd need a substantial buff/change

[balmy ice]

I think it works out just fine if you use the companion/ally damage boosting stuff that is extremely niche

But more frames definitely need a “exalted” for affecting abilities when they don’t have a scaling mechanic

[balmy badger]

It's more like a combination of Iron Skin and Volt's held shield. Cause you have to be looking at the target to block their damage.

[balmy ice]

any frame that doesn’t scale gets shat on by ones that do.

[indigo plank]

Inaros scales even less because no shieldgate either

[balmy ice]

Eh health solves that

[indigo plank]

And blitz eximus can take it down even at "low" levels.

[balmy ice]

shield gate is a crutch

[indigo plank]

No, no it does not

[balmy ice]

It always has for me

I used inaros for melee runs all the time until I fed him to helminth. Just started building prime again.

Found grendel more entertaining.

[indigo plank]

We need to define your definition of crutch

[balmy ice]

Like you don’t require shield gating to stay alive.

[hexed ember]

nidus with 90% damage resist and similar armor will still lose all his hp in a second..

[balmy badger]

It's not a crutch when every frame except Inaros has it (Nidus doesn't count, he has a passive to cheat death).

[hexed ember]

like, health face tanking has a pretty clear limit

[indigo plank]

You do in later steel path missions. Or, at the very least, in endurance runs.

[hexed ember]

there are some rare alternatives to shield gate or what not, like.. the revenant thing i guess?

[indigo plank]

Even in base steel path, there are some eximus that can rip you apart. Like the blitz one, which has insane damage

[balmy ice]

Eximus can be a issue for most frames

[balmy badger]

Enemy damage scaling will reach a point where no amount of health will save you. You need to abuse invulnerability to survive.

[indigo plank]

Not that big of a problem for most frames.

[balmy ice]

But relying on shield gating still isn’t the only solution. Endurance Steel path runs are an exception because that comes with way more modifiers.

[balmy badger]

PTSD of Blitz Eximus ignoring shield-gate kicks in.

[indigo plank]

Because even if idk, a shock eximus orb can be annoying and rather dangerous if you don't run away, you still can counterplay it and aren't massively punished by getting hit once.

[indigo plank]

Relying on hp facetanking is even worse

Like, shieldgating at least keeps the "tanking" part way more active

[balmy ice]

Im just saying you dont need to rely on it but it doesn’t hurt to have it.

[indigo plank]

Well you do need to rely on it in some scenarios. Like for most frames without a tanking ability. Yes, you could just idk, use vazarin instead

[hexed ember]

even my invis frames tend to need it a little bit of health tanking and shield gating.. well, the health bit is optional but it has helped plenty of times

[indigo plank]

Not to mention that shieldgating requires less mod slots than health and armor tanking. Which means even more power

[balmy ice]

I think armor archon shards will help the health tanking a good bit

having 1k+ armor really helps in damage reduction

[balmy ice]

Yeah but the whole point of my argument was inaros has space for that.

I know for any frame with shields it’s basically a go to

[indigo plank]

You could have 1k+ armor or +50% ( 75% with tauforged) power strength or duration, or +125% (187.5%) melee crit damage or secondary crit chance or primary status chance , or 250 (375) extra energy.

[indigo plank]

That's because inaros abilities are worthless to build for, mostly.

[balmy badger]

Inaros is just unironically a bad frame all-around. He needs a rework.

[zenith jacinth]

Chroma

[indigo plank]

If inaros had better abilities then paradoxically he could be even worse

[balmy ice]

I am mildly salty they dont allow shields on inaros at least even just one shard

[indigo plank]

He's very outdated, and should be reworked, but he's not downright horrible.

[zenith jacinth]

Inaros can be good with his 1(subsume) in combination with innodem

Chroma has like 1 use

[balmy ice]

Cause I can at least agree with the might as well abuse invincibility when everything is bound to kill you eventually

[balmy badger]

Poor Chroma, relegated to credit booster

[balmy ice]

Frames like chroma and inaros need a mod section for their ultimates like Sevagoth does.

[indigo plank]

You can use radial blind, or hell, naramon void dash for even better results. Radial blind is larger and everything, and naramon gives extra melee crit chance after a finisher

[hexed ember]

or savage silence

[indigo plank]

Also that

[zenith jacinth]

Do any of those steal health tho

[hexed ember]

in the case of chroma i really want his 4 buffed and made less energy intensive. It's a very fun skill

there are so many ways to heal..

[indigo plank]

Inaros' second passive is that he already steals health on finisher. And on other frames you generally don't need healing.

[indigo plank]

I want it controllable. Not "exalted shadow" controllable, but "reap" controllable, if you get what I mean.

[hexed ember]

if his 4 was cheap energy wise, it wouldn't even be thaaat bad since it works with vex armor.

that'd be neat, too

[balmy ice]

Chromas 4 gets buffed by vex?

[indigo plank]

Also make it moddable. If chroma's 4 was moddable and controllable? Oooh boy it'd be cool.

[zenith jacinth]

Why am I not surprised by your examples

[balmy ice]

Chroma and Inaros both need their ultimates moddable like Sevagoth.

[zenith jacinth]

Still better to have the option than to not have it

[indigo plank]

How you gonna mod scarab armor

[balmy ice]

Honestly any frame that doesn’t have stacking mechanics needs more modding potential.

[balmy ice]

My bad meant sandstorm.

[zenith jacinth]

Always be prepared for every situation

[balmy ice]

Forgot scarab takes the ult slot

[balmy ice]

That’s what loadouts are for

[hexed ember]

yes, chroma's 1 and 4 get boosted by vex

[balmy ice]

Neat

[zenith jacinth]

...what

[balmy ice]

Never seen much of a difference was trying chroma with archon mods earlier.

[indigo plank]

Chroma has the potential to be such a cool frame

[balmy ice]

A lot of frames do.

[indigo plank]

He has a cool kit it just needs buffs

[balmy ice]

It’s the fact that they have nothing to scale with usually.

[zenith jacinth]

Did... did you read what I was talking about

[balmy ice]

I think a frame having an exalted or moddable ult should become the norm.

[balmy ice]

Weren’t you just talking about healing

[indigo plank]

Damn exalted bastille

[zenith jacinth]

Yes

[balmy ice]

Yeah so that’s what loadouts are for

Healing is very specific per level

[zenith jacinth]

How would loadouts help there

[balmy ice]

There’s plenty of sources for healing

[hexed ember]

so like, the sentry.. say you have like 300% power str, it would get 1200, 5 ticks per second, with vex armor applied, to get like 8x times that, for 9600 5 times a second.. not awwwful. not... amazing, or forever scaling either

just needs one extra source of scaling

[balmy ice]

Maybe innate armor strip

Since armor strip is patched

[hexed ember]

and to not cost TEN ENERGY A SECOND

[pearl nacelle]

How do you transmute rivens?

[balmy ice]

and to follow you like umbra

[hexed ember]

would be nice.

[balmy ice]

umbra ai for chroma pelt when

[hexed ember]

it even has two forms of cc built in. It's... really clsoe to being good, but not there at all

[balmy ice]

Then just make it for every hit remove 34% armor

Since armor removal was fixed I think that would be an amazing innate thing for chroma

Enemy armor usually is what blocks damage

[zenith jacinth]

Change granted, it'll now be 50 energy per second

[balmy ice]

or those fat corpus shields

[balmy ice]

Imagine exalted sandstorm

With that status augment it would be nice

[zenith jacinth]

Exalted scarab armor

[balmy ice]

Nah id prefer sandstorm

[zenith jacinth]

I still don't see the point of scarab armor

[indigo plank]

My chroma buffs :
4 : make it moddable with shotgun mods (we have no exalted shotgun yet, lets fix that), and commandable like reap.

1: same as his 4, but also let it mix elements if you switch it mid breath. 5 extra energy to switch elements while in breath form.

2: fine I guess? Buff it a little.

3: turn armor into damage resistance (capped at 90%),and make the damage buff work like eclipse.

[balmy ice]

Scarab armor not aging well.

[zenith jacinth]

I should not be awake, it be way too late

[balmy ice]

Nah just make chroma’s 4 moddable, vex armor should just aoe armor strip, and breath attacks get element mixing like lavos.

Have 4 follow you like umbra

[hexed ember]

You could make the 1 and 4 use same mods since it should be the same ‘breath’

[indigo plank]

No need for armor strip on a buff ability.

[balmy ice]

Part of damage loss is enemy defenses

[indigo plank]

Would be cooler if you could aim it around.

[balmy ice]

You can though

[hexed ember]

If he is to have armor strip, it should not be on vex armor

[balmy ice]

With the augment

[indigo plank]

That's why I said to make it's 4 and 1 moddable. So it can scale.

[balmy ice]

I meant armor strip for 4.

[hexed ember]

Ah

[balmy ice]

Had a brain fart

[zenith jacinth]

Which costs energy, no?

I forgor

[balmy ice]

That is why im saying it should just follow you like umbra.

Aiming should cost energy.

And yeah it does

[zenith jacinth]

My memory is beyond useless

[balmy ice]

If the 4 did innate armor strip over time I think it could work pretty well.

You know what else I want changed

invigorations.

Even if you own every frame it takes 4 weeks for a invigoration on frame of choice.

[cinder steppe]

I love Kahl

[balmy ice]

I cant wait to see kahl missions

[cinder steppe]

Same. I really liked the quest and it makes it exciting to see where the weekly missions will go

[hexed ember]

eh, i mostly just use invigorations to level the helminth.. don't really want to build or focus around it, though i did finally use it on my own actual frame for the first time this week lol

[weak zealot]

Is this a glitch?

[cyan crest]

No, your lich is now hunting you even in your base

If you don't beat it 8in 4 hours it'll come to your house

I mean
Yep it's a glitch

[weak zealot]

So does that mean the lich became a follower of parvos since now they want to steal me house?

[hexed ember]

they're trying to steal kahl back!

[indigo plank]

Nah that's just the final piece of motivation he needs. After the battle he realizes he can't stay in the camp forever because he will be found out anyway. So that's why tomorrow there will be Kahl missions

[opal minnow]

So, ya'll remember the part of war within where you finally get back your transference ability by taking over an orokin worm? I like the idea of certain enemies being able to be taken over by our operators for some missions... I think it'd be really neat if sometimes we could come across an orokin construct gone rogue that we can take down using our tenno, be they the operator or drifter. Yeah, we have nechramecs in open world and railjack, but what if we could find void serpents or old orokin war machines being re-tooled by other factions? Things that we can take over, that are completely overpowered and indestructible, but on a time limit as opposed to our frames.

I think it'd be pretty neat.

[jagged crane]

There’s a lot of issues with stuff like that. For example the problem of people being in squads.

[hexed ember]

i think unless they like, don't even deal damage and just autokill, that they'll probably just not be so good

[simple bay]

well if they're only piloted by one person, there isn't a issue.

[jagged crane]

That’s the issue, is that there’d need to be one for everyone

[simple bay]

if you're arguing that having an overpowered worm killing a ton of enemies is an issue, then you should really hop into squads and see how efficient people kill things regardless

[simple bay]

not necessarily? i mean looking at games like star wars battlefront, battlefield, all of those games have vehicles than can only be occupied by a fraction of the total force a team has

and those games don't really experience issues with them, same with games like halo (a good example is banshees)

[jagged crane]

That works a bit differently tho

They’re very different styles of games from Warframe

[simple bay]

i know they aren't warframe, obviously, but they are good examples of vehicle usage where you only have one occupier.

so having a vehicle, used by one person, in a level, shouldn't be an issue of occupancy.

i feel the only big problems that kind of feature may bring would be bugs that pertain to other, already added features.

as well as an issue of placement, since most levels are often made up of very enclosed spaces, it'd be difficult to place them in anything that isn't the open world, or specific mission types where that feature is then the mission type gimmick.

which is another question of game design to solve, obviously.

feature sounds cool, hope that DE considers adding something similar because seeing more orokin void stuff in existing levels (and not stuff like the zariman) would be awesome to see.

[jagged crane]

Something like that would work well in the open world, not in a normal level, like how you have the ruined necramechs on Deimos, because you can put more than one on the map so you don’t have people throwing fits about how one person gets to use the stuff and they don’t

[simple bay]

also, i could be wrong, but i don't think we've ever seen actual orokin soldiers, we've seen the grineer, corpus, and infested being controlled by the orokin in the void, same with the other guys besides the tenno, but not orokin directly, hopefully we get them revealed sooner or later.

i like to imagine the orokin are monoliths of beings, not as huge as planets but they tower over normal people and may even be taller than the family dudes on deimos

[jagged crane]

The orokin soldiers were the Dax

And the grineer according to the opening cinematic

[simple bay]

it sounds like, from the queens, and the opening cinematic, the queens were like, a separate faction that was under the control of the orokin

the cinematic stated that they were relics of the old war, but not that they were orokin relics, just relics, which makes me think they're like the family on deimos

also yeah, the orokin soldiers were dax but i'm very curious about what their actual leaders look like

because the dax, from what i recall anyways, were not necessarily orokin but rather a warrior group that served the orokin

[jagged crane]

The queens were orokin, they were supposed to be killed because they were twins, but their father spared them. They grew up to hate the Orokin and then they took control of the grineer, a readily available compressed group ready to revolt, using transference to keep themselves alive in grinder goats until current times

The orokin were just high class humans, there are no soldiers who’re also orokin because the orokin are too regal for that work

[simple bay]

orokin don't sound like humans themselves though, it seems like they're a completely separate, alien race

[simple bay]

so the queens are like orokin orokin or orokin as they were affiliated to the faction itself

[jagged crane]

That’s what it seems like but they are, they’re humans who modified themselves because they think they’re gods.
And they’re orokin as in they were born into the orokin caste.

The orokin were the highest class of humankind basically, and the top of those were the Seven

[kindred river]

Just completed new war. I'm impressed. So far this game has been a lot more than I expected from a f2p game lol

[jagged crane]

Amen brotha

[simple bay]

you're going to love the veilbreaker questline

it's incredibly short, sadly, only a single mission, but for what it is, it has some really fun gimmicks to it

[graceful zodiac]

We've seen what they look like in both Ballas and Nihil. They aren't impressive like they.

[obtuse gyro]

No theyre human

There are 0 aliens (1 if you count Wally) in Warframe

Everything is man-made

[torpid lantern]

Idk if you can call a void entity an alien but he's certainly strange xD

[kindred river]

Also just learned I have a bug that made my drifter invisible in some cutscenes, which makes them make a lot more sense in hindsight

[balmy storm]

They’re technically alien to us

[torpid lantern]

What does that make the Duviri people though?

[balmy storm]

Well we don’t even know if they’re human or not yet

My bet is they started as humans cause the Zariman is present and there were a LOT of people on that ship, even with just the kids there is a size-able amount of people we don’t know the whereabouts of

[graceful zodiac]

You'd have to explain how they all would've lost their memories to believe they were made by Dominus

[torpid lantern]

Dominus seems to have made them and the whole Duviri world. He has god-like control over it. My theory is Dominus is MITW

[balmy storm]

Well my guess would be Dominus did something to them lol

What if Dominus is a different void entity entirely?

Plus it’d be weird for Wally or really any void entity to use the name Thrax when that seems to have been an orokin monster or legend

Though their fake origin aesthetic could also suggest they are heavily interested in the Orokin and used a dangerous predator to come up with their name

This could go a lot of ways

[balmy badger]

I'm still going with this theory as well.

Dominus even has a similar personality to what MITW displays when mimicking our Operator.

[torpid lantern]

He also wears a mask and forces everyone in Duviri to wear masks which is suspicious since we know MITW assumes the form of whomever he interacts with

[rancid jetty]

I do not like the Laetums last challenge

"Complete a mission with every incarnon weapon in each slot"

[balmy badger]

It's stupidly easy though, level doesn't matter, just go run a capture mission on Earth and done.

[rancid jetty]

The thing is, I don't want to craft the weapons

I just wanted the Laetum

[balmy badger]

Ah, well. Then yeah, you're screwed out of unlocking the most OP perk for it then...

[obtuse gyro]

rips you gotta play more

[hexed ember]

some of the other oens might be fun, who knows

s'what happened to me

[rancid jetty]

Time to suffer the Zaramin and not any other mission

[thin path]

It just occurred to me, the Zariman that's currently breaching back into real space isn't ours.

[balmy badger]

Yeah, it's Drifter's Zariman.

[graceful zodiac]

It is, from the logs we recovered

[thin path]

It is but it isn't. Because our Tenno are found on their Zariman.

[balmy badger]

Then how come it look's like it's coming from Duviri?

When we visited it in TNW, it was just in the regular ol' Void.

[obtuse gyro]

Its ours because the holdfasts remember the kids using lasers to cut them down

[thin path]

Then how did it get back into the void?

[graceful zodiac]

Doylist? It's just a teaser.
Watsonian? We have our own Duviri

[obtuse gyro]

Orokin probably shoved it back in as part of their attempt to get rid of the evidence

[balmy badger]

...That makes sense actually.

[thin path]

Also the holdfasts remembering us doesn't necessarily make it ours, since the holdfasts are creations of the void itself.

[balmy storm]

I wonder if we’ll go to Drifter’s Zariman

[obtuse gyro]

It cant be drifter's because drifter's side didnt have void powers... Which the holdfast remember seeing in the zariman's final days

[obtuse gyro]

The holdfasts are void manifestations of the dead crew, you cant just claim theyre unreliable

[thick jolt]

Hombast did find it weird that the biomes were intact tbf

[balmy badger]

I smell eternalism shenanigan's.

[thin path]

I didn't say that makes them unreliable, I said because they're void entities they could be dumped on the Drifter's Zariman and still remember us

[obtuse gyro]

Was it not explained that it was due to the bots never stopping them working

[balmy storm]

Maybe it’s our holdfasts but Drifter’s Zariman

Maybe that’s how Drifter gets into our time
Their Zariman is intact

[obtuse gyro]

Regardless of which zariman, hombast sabotaged the biomes before the jump, both zarimans wouldnt have normal intact biomes

[thick jolt]

Hmmm

[balmy storm]

something’s fishy

[graceful zodiac]

Good thing we know it's our Zariman from the logs we recovered and not the holdfasts

[balmy storm]

So it’s our Zariman but one specific kind of damage was reversed?

[thick jolt]

Could someone in duviri have restored the biomes ?

[graceful zodiac]

Given they are explicit about a child killing an adult thanks to void stuff

[balmy badger]

I appreciate when they actually remember things said in the past. The Grineer Elder Queen said "the biomes had been sabotaged", and turns out Hombask was the one who did it.

[balmy storm]

Was there Zariman just hiding before? Why did it appear? How did it appear?

[thick jolt]

Agh we need duviri for more answers

Quick invent time travel

[balmy storm]

Why does it feel like this isn’t exactly our Zariman

if the orokin retrieved it would they had repaired any of the ship?
Didn’t it say it came back without a scratch or something?

[thin path]

What log indicates it is the Zariman that was recovered with the Tenno on it?

[obtuse gyro]

according to kaleen it was like "almost like it had never left"

[balmy storm]

There’s no way this is our Zariman then, or at least the one they retrieved wasn’t our Zariman

Why do I feel like there’s 3 Zarimans
Idek where the third one is coming from

[thick jolt]

Likely one of the arg logs
Kira specifically recovered said logs from that current zariman

[graceful zodiac]

The second to last log entry where the guy talks about how a kid killed "Angel"

[balmy storm]

With the timeline split there should be 2 Zarimans but the orokin retrieved one with no damage, but now we have ours with the holdfasts aboard and plugging a void hole or. Whatever that thing is

[obtuse gyro]

kaleen also was misled to believe it was a military ship, who knows what else has been retconned has been manipulated by the orokin

[obtuse gyro]

"I've begged for you to open this door. I reasoned. I cried. I screamed. But then tonight I wake to the sound of you howling like some kind of animal. Find you in the hallway, your hands choking the life out of that child. He was just a kid! You were so thin, like a corpse. And the way you looked at me as I shouted, it was like... like you didn't know who I was. All I wanted was for you to open that damned door! And now I have to carry the guilt of knowing you're dead because of me! Because the moment you turned to the sound of my voice, was all that child needed to prove. The Void doesn't just take. It also gives."

[balmy storm]

I’m putting on my tinfoil hat, the jump failure was due to someone in the seven and they did this to us to experiment

[obtuse gyro]

I'm taking off that tinfoil hat wally was seen in the reliquary chamber before the jump, and the rell comic has a visual of them hitting a... wall

[jagged crane]

Wait where do you find logs for the Zariman?

[balmy storm]

I’m puttING IT BACK ON
Wally and the Seven are in cahoots with eachother

[obtuse gyro]

IM TAKING IT BACK OFF
No one believed albretch when he told them of wally, didnt help they every void excursion came back with no proof

[obtuse gyro]

look for Zariman ARG on the wiki

[balmy storm]

Alright it’s staying off
Why would Wally sabotage the jump?

[thick jolt]

We still dont know what moves wally

[balmy storm]

Or maybe he didn’t sabotage it, he just knew it would go wrong?

[obtuse gyro]

Well lets examine what we've seen wally do:

1. Wally attempted to enter our plane of existence through albretch's bell but failed, losing his fingers
2. Wally reappears on the zariman, then making a deal with us, connecting to us opening a way for something that the red veil see rell (and then later us) block him from doing

[balmy storm]

I reread some parts from chains of harrow and Wally really feels like some sort of eldritch horror, maybe lonely too? I’m not sure
It didn’t really help figure out his goals but in those moments he wasn’t exactly on our side

[obtuse gyro]

if he's trying to make it in here

the zariman incident was a massive step for wally if he was trying to make it to reality

[balmy storm]

I feel like Wally’s just lonely

That or they feel trapped
Or some third thing

[thin path]

They're a void entity that is for some reason trying to make it into our universe, somehow I suspect if he does it'll be the end of the universe as we know it.

[balmy storm]

Maybe he’s trying to expand his territory?

[thin path]

Which seems to be supported by the fact Rell felt it was necessary to hold him back.

But anyways, the only way this could be our Zariman is if the orokin somehow yeeted it back into the void, and if that's the case where is the drifter's zariman?

[obtuse gyro]

real but not real

in the void somewhere nowhere

[graceful zodiac]

Drifter's should still be by his Duviri

[rancid jetty]

I have no Idea why I got 3 Alternox Blueprints in a row in a low bounty mission

I don't know if I should be annoyed or glad lol

[thin path]

I'm not really sure there are multiple duviris. I think duviri is just going to be the place inside the void where all things go when they get stuck in the void.

[balmy storm]

It’s stated the Zariman returned like it never left, I doubt the ship left in the state we see when we go aboard

[thin path]

Right, which is why I think it is the drifter's Zariman. Because it doesn't seem likely the Orokin would just toss the ship back into the void they'd probably try and study it and see what happened. And it doesn't seem like they'd trash it before sending it back into the void.

[balmy badger]

Good chance Drifter's Zariman wasn't recovered by the Orokin due to him not making the deal.

[balmy storm]

The one the holdfasts are aboard is our zariman

[graceful zodiac]

The issue is they wanted nothing to do with it, explicitly

[balmy storm]

Drifter’s Zariman is in Duviri-

[graceful zodiac]

The Void is one of the few things they don't mess around with

[thin path]

Except all the times they do mess around with it because it benefits them.

[balmy storm]

Maybe the whole thing about it coming back like it never left was wrong after all

[graceful zodiac]

You mean only when it was just discovered

[thin path]

Like yeah, they didn't believe Albertch, yet they still built an entire drive out of the weird finger that came from the void.

[balmy badger]

Was it ever stated that the Orokin pulled it back out of the Void? Could be that they only found it and recovered the children.

[balmy storm]

Our Orokin could never have touched the Drifter’s Zariman
And we see their Zariman still in Duviri

[thin path]

The fact they found it implies that it returned to normal space.

[balmy storm]

It did, that’s how the tenno were found

[thin path]

And based on Kaleen's report they either left it in normal space long enough for it to lose it's "As if it never left" status or the ship we're currently on is somehow not the same one they were found on.

[balmy storm]

The only way it could lose that status was if people were aboard it

It’s clear many many people took shelter there

[thin path]

Right, it is clearly lived in, in a state of disrepair. Unless they sent it back into the void and then people took shelter in it the current state doesn't make sense.

[obtuse gyro]

thats albretch's own doing

[balmy storm]

Yeah and it doesn’t make sense
So what if that account of it coming back spotless was a lie retconned

[obtuse gyro]

albretch took the fingers and all void tech came from the research on it

it didnt matter if they believed him or not, this was new ground (and space) breaking tech

[thin path]

I don't think so, because we're shown kaleen's report from a third party view. It's not like we're reading a log that the orokin could have then manipulated.

[balmy storm]

Only other way I could see it being in the state it’s in is if
The Zariman comes back to normal space, appears as if it never left, tenno are taken off, Orokin send it back
While it’s in the void the Holdfasts appear, live their lives, Angel events start happening, return to normal space and now we have now

Duviri may also have something to do with it
In fact it most definitely has to

[thin path]

The only other thing I could think of is the collapse of the timeline made both Zariman's the same and forced it to reemerge.

Which would explain the swords in your dormizone.

[balmy storm]

The drifter most likely put them there

[thin path]

But they only exist when you're drifter.

[balmy storm]

And so does the Duviri desaturation effect

It’s clear there’s something more happening there but considering Drifter uses those swords they probably put them there

Maybe they’re more anchored to this reality

[thin path]

It isn't like they were put their decoratively after the Zariman emerged and drifter happened to be in real space. I suspect they're a symptom of the collapsed timeline.

[storm wolf]

zariman this zariman that. WHY BROTHER CLEM NOT HAVE HIM PLAYABLE MISSION?!?

[thin path]

Clem is old news, it's all about Kahl now.

[storm wolf]

How dare you

[supple dagger]

we love clem >:(

[thin path]

Realistically they probably just didn't want to ruin the meme of Clem which has the potential to happen if they try to give him a backstory.

[balmy storm]

Clem is good how he is now

[modest portal]

Welcome to Warframe where you can

[balmy storm]

Beautiful

[storm wolf]

sigh

[thin path]

Has anything confirmed whether or not the orbiter existing in space still is actually a thing? Or whether that's just gameplay mechanic?

[balmy storm]

Wym

[thin path]

Well initially I thought our orbiter lands on earth and becomes the drifter's camp when it needed to hide. We know it's our orbiter because matching color scheme/deco/etc. But then after the story was over they're like "Oh yeah you can still access the regular orbiter if you want" and I don't think it's a case of we're moving the entire orbiter each time we want to go back and forth.

[storm wolf]

has that feature but no pre nw/post nw toggle

[thin path]

Mostly because the orbiter in drifter's camp has leaking and stuff which would suggest it isn't space capable anymore.

[graceful zodiac]

It is. It's just the exodus protocal

[storm wolf]

with what lotus said "dream of what was once were" or something. I just rule off everything i do in cetus, fortuna, and everything even old quest. As a fever dream the drifter/operator is having while they're resting. Kahl veil breaker being something that happens while you are reating

resting*

and obv narmer

[graceful zodiac]

That's....not how that went

[storm wolf]

Its not? What did she say then?

im just saying, im doing pre nw stuff and considering it as my drifter remembering things in their dream

[graceful zodiac]

She said "Dream not of what you are, but what you want to be."

[storm wolf]

ah

well. Still, pre new war is head canon fever dream to me

[rancid jetty]

I finally grinded the Zaramin to get the last Incarnin Weapons, the Phenmor and the innodem

[swift pond]

Sick, those two are pretty solid

[ionic sleet]

Please stay keep images related to Warframe and the channel topic.

[proud comet]

That wasn’t very rock and stone of you.

[random fox]

Any female drifter face combinations? Mine looks like she's close to retirement xD

[swift pond]

You're guess is as good as mine, the face customisation is arcane.

[jagged crane]

Do 3 and 6 at .48 blend

[languid torrent]

Phenmor is just a minigun in disguise, Innodem, aside from any 'stick it Innodem' puns, is a very solid knife with the longest reach in the game once you go Incarnon.

[random fox]

Thank you! Will give it a try soon

[high otter]

And feels really good for finisher build!

[tribal hemlock]

hey um, does anyone know what kind of skin is this?
for operator specifically, and I lost the player :v

[floral tiger]

Infested suit for operator from the Hand of Arlo Nightwave season

Just wait for when it show’s up again in a new Nightwave season.

[tribal hemlock]

oh

I remember the skin exactly as I saw before

except the color were a bit different

[swift pond]

Yeah, Emmisary suit, Lotus mask and... Heat Sister Ephemera? I forget the name.

[tribal hemlock]

you mean in the reward category or exchange category?

[floral tiger]

Reward

[tribal hemlock]

I was talking about the suit

[tribal hemlock]

man, why didn't they make it available in the exchange category instead? so DE doesn't have to think about fitting old reward into there?

[floral tiger]

It is what it is sadly

[jagged crane]

Cuz the Nightwave is effectively WF’s battle pass, it’s rewards are basically the symbol of “I was playing during this time”

[tribal hemlock]

speaking of fortnite battle-pass

[jagged crane]

Lucky, Nightwave creds are my biggest struggle rn cuz I need so much Nitian extract, but I didn’t know I would at the time I got my 150 at the beginning, so I spent it all on other stuff (,:

[cinder steppe]

I hope they keep expanding on the Sentient side of the Narmer stuff. Like Sentients are such fun enemies to fight, they are also interesting and they have the most potential to give us these epic battles that we all want.

[jagged crane]

I rly don’t like sentients just because things like the aerolist exist and they are such a pain, even with the changes made. The disco balls aren’t great either lol, but they’re somewhat tolerable

[brisk moss]

Yessssss.

Like the Ropalolyst, that was fun.

[low wave]

Stell no update?

[balmy storm]

Not yet, except it within the next 2 hours maybe

[balmy ice]

Is it weird that I never noticed drifter said should’ve stayed in duvuri

[jagged crane]

Kinda lol

[balmy ice]

Maybe I just forgot

[balmy storm]

They also talked about riding horses

[hexed ember]

Are we gonna get beard options wit duviri

[zenith jacinth]

Hopefully

[balmy storm]

Probably

They showed it off with Duviri so we could assume it and drifter somatics are coming with duviri

[jagged crane]

More drifter customization options is what I’m looking forward to hopefully getting the most in Duviri, after the story itself

[past viper]

ngl... the mortuus shoulder guard is looking hella nice on kahl

[jagged crane]

Yeah, it’s pretty much the only time anyone is using it lol

[past viper]

😂

[zenith jacinth]

New veil version should fit better

[balmy storm]

How do you get that again?

[balmy storm]

It does

[past viper]

think its a drop on the granum void nightmare mode

[balmy storm]

I love the little. Idk what to call it, Narmer controller thing? I love that hanging off

[zenith jacinth]

Mirror

[balmy storm]

Mirror works I guess

[balmy storm]

Dang, I gotta figure out a build to try and get that

[past viper]

Granum Void Nightmare Granum Void Rotation C reward

wish it was a set, but its just that piece

but left shoulder only

[balmy storm]

Always the left shoulder

When are we gonna get a sentient piece to put on our left shoulder 😔

[red ore]

I quite like the broken veil shoulder armour

It sticks out less

Also is there a head inside the provvok shoulder armour??

[balmy storm]

It’s not very clear but since it’s from Steel Meridian, maybe?
I doubt they’d wear it with a head just stuck inside

I hope the Provvok armor looks bad on Kahl

[still swan]

i like how Varzia dont know about teshin from her view new war never happend or what?

[balmy storm]

I’m sure she’s grieving in her own way 😔

Would be kinda cool if when the event drops she has special dialogue for if you completed the new war

I’d love to hear more from her

[still swan]

ye that would be

cetus and fortuna people have this if you copleted it and from drifter you go back to operator and they actualy tell you some stuff

[idle saddle]

Есть русские?

Игра Warframe в игре происходит залипание клавишь, при нажатии клавиши W персонаж бежит, после того как отпущу, он продолжает бежать, с чем это может быть связано?

[fossil fractal]

sadly english only server

[scarlet basalt]

Guys weird idea on Tau :
Tau will be a twisted version of ecology/sentience.
WIth the new enemies that are Archons that represent some kind of Animals, meaning that they were basing themselves on how animals are.
What if Tau is a dystopia of ecology ? Having natural yet innatural land, having living yet their mechanicals.
Even tho the thing that i wait a lot is more information on who are the Lord of Tau, are they sentient ? Are they Tau's citizen ? Is Tau Fully sentients or reign the lower class who are sentient, this would be twisted if they were supposed to be "sentient " yet they are ordered by something, something alien ?
"Above, the Lords of Tau. Below, my people. Below them, yours. And I shall serve as shepherd and minister."
Why should he be below ? He is a sentient that supposed to terraform that place ? Sentients are a family, for a family you shouldn't do a hierarchy

[graceful zodiac]

There absolutely is a hierarchy. Hunhow is top Sentient, able to peek and influence his fragments

They're the ruling family, with all other Sentients below them

[hexed ember]

I don’t think hunhow is a lord of tau

[scarlet basalt]

They have hierarchy on units they command tbh.
We couldn't feel much of something like a hierarchy when they were talking to each other. No lower/higher peep.
I feel like they're playing a twisted version of what a sentient should be, smilar to how Naarmer should be.
But i doubt they will re-use their writing and do a smilar naarmer to them tbh. They must have something so weird for Sentient x lord of Tau
Lord of Tau aren't called "sentient" for the moment so we can't say yes or no on if they're sentient

But it feel rather strange that they don't call them by their names tbh 🤔

[hexed ember]

I think the lords of tau are sentients that stayed in tau… and they seem to consider themselves better than the sentients that left? Not sure.

[scarlet basalt]

It could be that.
But i kinda hope that they're alien tbh because it would be so good if they're supposed to be perfect and they could develop a new question on :
"What is the meaning of Sentience ?"
Like they do a twisted version of Sentience and use it as a writing basis to how Tau will work

[formal grove]

does anyone else think it would be cool if at higher ranks, members of Kahl's Garrison could wander around the Drifter's camp? except for going near the orbiter, naturally

[scarlet basalt]

Kahl standing For 8hours because the tenno went to the park

Erra is so sad tbh, imagine having to gain sentience, try to get your own sister, get controlled by an orokin, betray the orokin in question, die, get ressurected by... Who ?
Wait who could have ressurected Erra ? Perghasa was in the sun and we didn't check more of it, could there be anyone/ships that could resist the heat of the sun and ressurect that dude ?

[scarlet basalt]

Sentient are literally roleplaying as a family, so they break the codes of hierarchy ,it seems to be.
They won't confront directly but think that they do the best for them

[blissful bolt]

Wooo speedrunning time. Anyone have advice on stuff?

[frail nymph]

Rebecca stated that Erra's body was quickly retrieved because Praghasa is Sentient HQ

[scarlet basalt]

Rawest line in the game.
Using someone body as an HQ 😎

[tropic ridge]

So I decided to replay through New War and there were some new bugs, namely my Drifter gal and other things wouldn't appear during cutscenes. So my Operator boy looked like he had schizophrenia

also the Man in the Wall wouldn't appear either. Just Lotus' hand

[jagged crane]

In-game rendering moment

[opal minnow]

Has anyone found chipper's tools? If so: where?

[thin path]

In before the lord's of tau are just sentients behaving in the same way the orokin did.

[alpine summit]

still no operator energy fix??

[balmy storm]

There was

[alpine summit]

i cant seem to get mine off of blue still then, how do i fix it?

or is it just UI now? going to test

its just the UI when at looking at operator in ship now then, the thing top right that lets one swap btwn operator and drifter still showing the blue, in game skill energy is fix

[cosmic quiver]

On the latter half of the mission, use the sneaky vents to rush past the larger part of the mobs. They'll congregate at the end and be easier to group kill if you know how. Should cut a good few minutes. I ended my speedrun at about 10 minutes.

[cosmic quiver]

I found them in a side room on the floor. It's patrolled by a deacon. The location seems random for all findable items and the password. The first run through the game spawned a veil person there and no toolbox.

[boreal osprey]

Has anyone had a chance to grab the text for the dialogue Pazuul is speaking in the latest Khal mission?

[gritty pike]

i don’t remember him speaking during the mission

[boreal osprey]

You can hear him talking through his Visages

I can try to grab it later, but if I alt tab out it'll mute the game audio

It's not like the Archon hunt where it shows his portrait. It's more background noise

[wicked pike]

Man I wanted Erra back because I liked him as a character and wanted a bit more from his arc but

...not like this.

[gritty pike]

the way DE handled him in the new war was horrible

this came out of no where as well

but i think it adds a little

[rain otter]

He is still in there somewhere and we can save(?) Him Maybe.

Also Pazuul is different from Erra.

[twilit geode]

Erra always felt unfinished and half-forced. He wasn’t as established a character as Ballas or the Lotus. But they tried to treat him like he was. I hope they do manage to flesh him out, but I’m skeptical at best.

[rain otter]

This Pazuul Story is interesting

I wanna know more about

What the Archons are.

[wild wind]

Pazuul's great, genuinely intimidating. Reminds me of the "go back go back TOO FAR" meme format, since he takes Erra's original intimidation factor up to 14

Buuuuuut they did OG Erra dirty. That reminds me though, did we ever get a moment where we connected the dots between Pazuul and Erra?

[rain otter]

What do you mean?

[wild wind]

Like, the end of the Veilbreaker quest is Kahl saying he knows Pazuul

[rain otter]

The Lotus (or who ever) Know Pazuul and Erra are combined Kahl and Blue Girl Knows a "Worm Died and Animal Head is on it now"

[wild wind]

Then the archon hunts start and the Lotus says "okay time to get Erra back"

Like, you'd expect a bridge where Kahl pulls out some transmission and the Lotus says "WAIT THAT'S ERRA"

[static nimbus]

I think there was a reveal for Pazuul planned on the Veilbreaker quest but they had to cut it short because they couldn't implement the missions with the quest.

Ideally the quest would have made you run missions with Kahl to get a feel for them.

[wild wind]

....they could still add 15 seconds of dialogue with the reveal

[rain otter]

I mean the Kahl Information he says to us after the quest is

body is dead worm Head like Animal

[wild wind]

Sure that's an Archon

Where's the !! moment

[autumn turret]

probably more details with later kahl missions

[rain otter]

So like I guess that just tells us that. Also Lotus probably Knows more than Kahl or Blue Girl but they just Give us Archon Locations.

[wicked pike]

"ERRA WHAT IN THE KENTUCKY FRIED -"

[autumn turret]

but like locking archon hunts behind that would have been dumb and slow

[rain otter]

I know her name isn't Blue Girl

But Kahl calls her Blue Girl and she even signs Stuff B.G.

[wild wind]

Like, if we have to do a full rotation of Kahl missions before it's revealed to us that Erra = Kahl my eyes are going to roll so hard I'll knock myself out

[autumn turret]

what

[wild wind]

Never heard that expression?

[autumn turret]

why would erra = kahl

[wild wind]

Whoop typo

Meant to write "for Kahl to reveal that Pazuul = Erra"

[rain otter]

I mean We where told "Dead Worm body Head like Animal" and that Kahl knows who Pazuul is so like I think that tells at least the tennk everything they need to know.

Like Blue Girl might not even know who Erra is

[wild wind]

So, why does the Lotus know it's Erra's body

[obtuse gyro]

because we can see erra's body

[rain otter]

I mean he talks to us when we do the Hunts.

[wild wind]

The Archon hunts treat it like something we all should know already

[obtuse gyro]

Erra has an extremely unique body

[rain otter]

Also He seems to be very active Also we probably Told the Lotus about seeing him

[wild wind]

In the second stage, usually

He was quiet for me last week and the Lotus was talking about him

[naive warren]

Probably because he says “Natah”

[rain otter]

If she can like find Maro and stuff and tell when the Zariman is being Raided by the Grinner

I think she can figure out who Pazuul is.

[wild wind]

Sure, she has informants, a direct line to every Tenno, a tenth as much money as the poorest Corpus board member, and a line to the Cephalon Weave

But if she knew who Pazuul was she'd have told Kaeli when the subject came up

[wicked pike]

He also seems to talk to Natah. Asking why she persecutes him.. calls her a gorgon etc

[rain otter]

Idk if She talks to Kahl

[wild wind]

Doesn't matter she's always listening through our Warframes

[rain otter]

I mean Pazuul is seeming like I said not Erra but is festing on his memories.

Also The Lotus calls only Pazuul

"The Ram"

[autumn turret]

he lives on our property

[rain otter]

Like she Says Amar or

Boreal

[wild wind]

???

[rain otter]

But not Pazuul

[wild wind]

She calls Amar the wolf

[rain otter]

Just She says like

"Amar is a hunter"

[wild wind]

Just depends on what incidental dialogue you get

[rain otter]

Idk if she ever Says Pazuul

[wild wind]

She does

[rain otter]

Okay.

I'll believe you.

[wild wind]

"Whatever remains of Erra exist in Pazuul I will bring to the surface"

Slightly paraphrased, I wasn't fast enough on the screenshot

[rain otter]

We keep getting pieces of lore for like

Each of the Archons it's weird.

[autumn turret]

its cool

[wild wind]

Yeah it's great. I'm super curious about the Lords of Tau

Are they what the archons are made from

[obtuse gyro]

She's called Amar the Wolf and Boreal the Owl before

[rain otter]

Yee

[obtuse gyro]

She's said that the owl was malding because he was turned into a weapon

[rain otter]

Also that he hates everything

But Amar doesn't mald he is just a hunter

I wonder what Niras Story will be?

[wild wind]

Oh, in case it wasn't obvious, Pazuul is named for the demons Pazuzu and Baal Zebub

[rain otter]

Wait

There is game audio of Erra Speaking instead of Pazuul and sounding Super Sad

It's for a Spy mission Apparently.

Hmmmm

[wild wind]

Isn't that Interception

[rain otter]

@wild wind there's a Lotta werid stuff here.

[wild wind]

🙏

Heck yeah

[rain otter]

That's interception

[wild wind]

[rain otter]

But the Spy has Erra talking

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Archon_Hunt/Quotes

[wild wind]

Oh geez Praghasa did this

[rain otter]

Here it is

If you want it.

HMMMMM

Lotus talks like Nira and the other Archons existed before they went to war and where attached to the Warframes and Erra

Cuz she says they where super old and Taugh her stuff

Also that Nira Could be the One controlling Pazuul?

This is all very werid I like it.

[wild wind]

They were sentients themselves at one point, almost certainly

And their pieces have been stuck on to Warframe bodies

Archon shards = eidolon shards

[rain otter]

What are the great Beasts? Is it just them? Where they like lords of Tau themselves? Also Nira had brothers?

[wild wind]

The beasts were the archons, probably the same thing as the Lords of Tau.

I like how this makes the Sentients feel like a threat again

Now do the Grineer and corpus

[rain otter]

I mean the Sentient Beasts gave to be like

A different sect right?

Also I don't know if I showed it but it was said Amar wasn't ever made to actually do War and that its werid they actually Bite now.

[wild wind]

Don't think so, necessarily? Seems to me that the Archons were the big leadership/organizational sentient types

[rain otter]

Also HOW DOES PAZUUL KNOW ABOUT THE MAN IN THE WALL?

[wild wind]

Same way Natah does

rap tap intensifies

[rain otter]

Idk Lotus seems to think that all the Sentient beasts would have been forgotten.

Also all them trained lotus at some point

So guess that's how she knows Pazuul and things.

[wild wind]

I mean, they all got destroyed and exist as shards tied to Warframes now

[rain otter]

Was Pazuuls head like

Just on a shelf somewhere?

Just Erra refused to use it?

"These 3 Archons are cool but not that one he's crazy"

[wild wind]

Honestly that'd be my guess

[rain otter]

lul

I just like this Lore it adds some depth to what the Archons are and that they werent always Warframe animals

also Pazuuls goal is literally just make Tau 2 Electric Boogaloo but this time with forests. Which I also think Pazuul would fight any actual Tau Sentients he saw cuz of ambition

[cyan crest]

OK two or three things
First, this line about Natah's birth is cool

Pazuul: "Do you remember, Natah? That first day. How our father, lifted you screaming from the manifold. How we sang."

Second, this line is confusing, it could be actually Erra or just Pazuul mocking us

Erra: "Tenno... I'm truly sorry... for everything. I saw the truth far too late. She will never forgive me. But you will... won't you?"

Third thing, this line is sick

Pazuul: "Bones of my father, fathomed around...behold me. Carcass of my mother, flame devoured...behold me. Limbs of my children, piecemeal, unblinking...behold me."

[rain otter]

or Erra clawing out

[edgy sierra]

Pazuul may be just the head, attached to Erra's body (like the other Archon's) and has access to Erra's past because of it

[rain otter]

I mean Pazuul being able to like just talk like Erra whenever he wants is so creepy

[edgy sierra]

So is Wally impersonating us and possessing us

[naive warren]

Sounds like Erra breaking free from possession, or a classic “WON’T YOU”. (At the end)

[cyan crest]

It could be that but Pazuul could also be mocking us by imitating Erra using what's left of him

[rain otter]

but yeah all these supports the Pazuul wants this System to be like a gaint forest

for him to hunt which is werid

actually let me rephrase that

he wants all the Beast lords of Tau to rule and thats werid

they wanna make a proto tau

also i love the fact Nira ate all her brother its so werid

its like "YOU CAN DO THAT?"

[edgy sierra]

So have we had a Nira archon hunt yet? I've only had Boreal and Amar

[rain otter]

no we havent but all the audio is in the game files

[cyan crest]

I personally like the line about Natah's birth, how a lot of sentients were seemingly present and just started to sing when she was held by Hunhow
It sounds so weird I love it

[edgy sierra]

Ahhh, PC cheats

[rain otter]

do da do

its not cheats

just click that link

[naive warren]

I think there was an interesting line in the rescue mission this week, I’m not sure though

[rain otter]

probably is

but all the lines are in that link i posted

[edgy sierra]

Does the Lotus' voicelines sound different for those using her Natah skin, or are there no auditory differences?

[rain otter]

maybe a little bit but i think the lines are the same

[cyan crest]

The lines are the same (for the hunt) but they use different voice filters

And Margulis uses no filter at all

Depends on the skin

[edgy sierra]

Yeah, filters. That's what I meant.

[naive warren]

I’m intrigued, what did Nira do to Erra?

[boreal osprey]

Also Pazuul wants to be the Shepard

[edgy sierra]

Won't ever be my Shepard Commander

[boreal osprey]

[glass sun]

so ummm

is the boss stuck? because I can't find a way to defeat it when it is hiding under the fan

[cyan crest]

Jump into that tube

[glass sun]

can't, there is a wind on the tube

I have restarted so everything has fixed

[balmy storm]

The sheep wants to be the shepherd

[edgy sierra]

More of a Goat, but close enough

[balmy storm]

He’s a ram which are sheep

[balmy badger]

Pazuul is a ram-

Dang, beat me to it.

[naive warren]

Demon Ram

[unique jetty]

Nah, it gpu

[balmy storm]

If they had void powers it would be a demon ram

[glass sun]

quick question, how do you do get the focus cap?

[balmy storm]

I wonder how good of a pc pazuul’s head is

[swift pond]

It must be good, it has a lot of RAM

[warm heart]

Focus orb pickup and 4 Lua lenses

[glass sun]

Kinda speechless that after I have played almost 2 weeks, I HAVE ONLY ENTER THE TUTORIAL, WHAT?!