spoiler-chat

[hexed ember]

he's an emotional guy

[cunning copper]

He could drown an entire ship without even moving

[thick jolt]

Would be funny if leverian hydroid was responsible for orokin atlantis

[zenith jacinth]

Too bad that warframe ships are in space

[primal nexus]

Yes water can cut ice (aka solid water)

[cunning copper]

I'm thinking a laverian Hydroid would be responsible for Hunhow being stuck on Neptune

It's a giant ocean

[zenith jacinth]

Leverians usually stay away from in-game stuff

And hunhow is there half-voluntarily iirc

Stays there half voluntarily at least

[cunning copper]

Doesn't mean he got put there voluntarily, only that he stays there by choice

Which i'm still curious about why he chooses to stay there

[zenith jacinth]

No point in going up and probably dying

[cunning copper]

Especially with the grineer actively operating near his vicinity

[zenith jacinth]

Stalker keeps them out

[hexed ember]

i don't think they'd put hunhow as being defeated by hydroid

[cunning copper]

We know the sentient Gara blew up was the same size as Hunhow

[hexed ember]

sure, they could make him beat a giant sentient, just not hunhow

he's too important, in a way that would be awkward to give his defeat to a random frame

[cunning copper]

A water frame with access to an entire ocean

[zenith jacinth]

Gara also had a massive bomb specifically made to help with that

[primal nexus]

Kahl bomb XD

[cunning copper]

I didn't say a hydroid defeated hunhow, just probably put him there

At the very least they could have had their kraken thing drag him below and keep him there while orokin forces bombarded Hunhow

Regular hydroid forms his out of water, hydroid prime (at least visually) is not indicated to do that

[hexed ember]

that could work

[cunning copper]

I'm curious what a leverian entry for Nekros would be

Or Volt and Frost for that matter

Ngl, i wouldn't be surprised if a Volt Laverian mentions how his four used to work way back when

[strange onyx]

It staggers and does damage

[cunning copper]

Frying everything on a corpus map as soon as the mission starts

[strange onyx]

Volt runs at supersonic speeds for his 2nd

That's shown in the Cinematic trailer

[cunning copper]

I'm talking about years ago

[strange onyx]

In gameplay I know

[cunning copper]

When his 4 was still Overload

[primal nexus]

wonders if nekros sends peoples "imprints" to the void and that's where he stores then until he summons their shadow

[cunning copper]

We know he turns their souls into lethal projectiles

That's what Soul Punch (his 1) does

Literally death at a touch

[primal nexus]

Aye... turns it into a projectile while not necessarily killing them

[cunning copper]

His prime trailer at least indicates otherwise

[primal nexus]

Ahh, cool. Official material excellent..... and just in case that came across as sarcasm, no sarcasm was meant

[cunning copper]

He waves his hand and a grineer dies because the soul leaves its body

Then immediately gets up as a Shadow

[primal nexus]

Very nice

[cunning copper]

And Ballas' narration stated he made it to bring back the fear of death to the orokin (who had "mastered death")

Pretty much saying he can do it to Orokin as well

[primal nexus]

Which reminds me of kuva and makes me wish it had... more uses for it than a handful of recipes and rivens

[cunning copper]

Even if the prime trailers aren't explicitly canon, that's still pretty terrifying of a concept in-universe

[hexed ember]

early warframe stuff is really weird, they didn't have everything down pat yet so you got goofy names like snipetron and soul punch.. really oughta give that a better name

[primal nexus]

That's a perfectly edgy name thoigh

[cunning copper]

It does what it says on the tin

Also the ragdoll effect is absolutely hilarious to watch 🤣

[primal nexus]

Lol

[hexed ember]

remember an old devstream with geoff saying the added particle effects let them hide the bad parts of the nekros 4 animation

that was like devstream 12 or something

[primal nexus]

Isn't styanax's 2 getting called shield bash?

[cunning copper]

They haven't exactly changed their naming system a whole lot

[hexed ember]

dunno, soul punch feels like it sticks out to me

[primal nexus]

My point being it's not an "early warframe" naming thing. I like descriptive names so like... yes please

[cunning copper]

Gauss' abilities are very blunt descriptions

[balmy storm]

I wish Pulverize was still called Meatball ):

[primal nexus]

Ironskin

[hexed ember]

there's a pretty big tone difference in iron skin, or thermal sunder, than there is in soul punch

[cunning copper]

Remember when Excal had super jump? Which then became bullet jump in the movement rework

Instead he now has Slash Dash

[primal nexus]

I think thst tone is: a difference in the tone of the 'frames

[hexed ember]

he had slash dash then

super jump was replaced by the exalted (javelin used to be the 4)

slash dash is kind of in the soul punch and snipetron tier of goof

[cunning copper]

Exalted blade honestly could have just been an ability that got its name from him

Or name it after another legendary sword

[balmy storm]

Exalted blade should be renamed to “Excalibur”

[cunning copper]

Like Miseltein or something

[hexed ember]

snipetron was actually goofy enough for the game to get rid of it, which i find hilarious...

[balmy storm]

Giving excalibur a legendary sword that isn’t excalibur would be kinda dumb

[cunning copper]

They replaced it due to function, not name

[primal nexus]

I... think we still have snipetron?

[hexed ember]

sorta, and sorta not

[balmy storm]

We do

[cunning copper]

It wasn't an energy weapon, so they removed it from corpus units

[balmy storm]

It was made by the corpus lol

[hexed ember]

then they made lanka, and gave it the same model

[cunning copper]

Yes

[balmy storm]

Omg they are the same model

[cunning copper]

Because its a railgun, thereby an energy weapon

Same model, both sniper rifles

[hexed ember]

wait, did they put the snipetron back in the game? they literally made it unavailable back when they changed over to lanka

[cunning copper]

It was never entirely removed

Just taken off corpus units

[hexed ember]

it was off the market

you couldn't obtain it when they swapped over to lanka

[cunning copper]

It became invasion rewards

I thought everyone would know that by now

[primal nexus]

I literally have one XD

[hexed ember]

idk i didn't pay attention since i had snipetron and vandal from og times

[lone meteor]

hi everyone

[cunning copper]

God remember rainbow builds?

Way back when advanced elements didn't exist?

[hexed ember]

yes

and armor scaled harder, and toxin and pierce ignored armor

[cunning copper]

And everyone ignored prime weapons because the vandal and wraith stuff was better

[hexed ember]

even universal multishot was unintentional, it wasn'st just supposed to be free damage

[primal nexus]

visual disgust

[cunning copper]

I miss pierce ignoring armor tbh

Made boltor actually useful against grineer

[hexed ember]

though, i still have a gripe about damage 2.0 that i've had since it came out like 8 years ago, which is the mixing of different armor types in unit groups

[primal nexus]

I'd hate dealing with it defensively lol

[lone meteor]

Does anyone know if the Afentis comes with Styanax for free when the update drops?

[hexed ember]

his signature weapon comes with him i think

[cunning copper]

You'd have hated stalker back then too

[primal nexus]

It doesn't

Explicitly not from the stream today

[cunning copper]

Stalker was a nightmare way back then

[hexed ember]

I see, htanks for clarification

[primal nexus]

Did stslker ignore armor wholesale?

[lone meteor]

Hopefully it won't be a pain to get.

[cunning copper]

The tile went dark, the room went on lockdown, and he started a lethal game of hide and seek with stats that scaled to the player squad

[primal nexus]

Thouh there are qol improvemwnts to gunspears

....ughhhghhhhhhhhhhh

[hexed ember]

even though the current game's lighting is much better, they don't play with it as much as they did then

[cunning copper]

He one-shotted basically everyone

[hexed ember]

main exception is the dark corpus ships, those are great - used to be a thing on every sabotage, but the current one is way darker

[cunning copper]

At a time when revives were still 4 per day per frame

[hexed ember]

(from sabotage)

[cunning copper]

Nobody liked when stalker showed up

Now he's just a minor inconvenience

Remember how dark the ship was in Chains of Harrow?

[primal nexus]

Per DAY?????

[cunning copper]

That's how dark they used to get when Stalker showed up back then

[hexed ember]

yes revives were a plat scheme in early warframe

you have 3(4?) free revives and could pay plat for more

[cunning copper]

It was a lethal game of hide and seek, and he usually won

[primal nexus]

Yuck

[cunning copper]

I'm betting you started after Stamina went bye bye too

[hexed ember]

snipers were meta so they added the DR attenuation to lephantis... oh man how the times have changed

I remember when ancients were just bigger leapers/runners

[obtuse gyro]

I remember zorencopter

[hexed ember]

Ah yes

[cunning copper]

Back when i started, abilities were still mods and I started with Loki

[primal nexus]

Stamina?

[cunning copper]

God that was a nightmare

[hexed ember]

one of the main reason the game is as fast as it is today

yeah, you had sprinting stamina

[cunning copper]

Affected melee too didn't it?

[strange onyx]

Let's also mention how Helminth could (Technically) make a Warframe with multiple abilities from EACH of them!

[hexed ember]

think so

[primal nexus]

I think i started on pc round 2020 ish

[cunning copper]

I'm talking about stuff from way back when Warframe first launched

[primal nexus]

Stopped for a while my laptop stopped being able to keep up cause it's ollld, and then i picked it up like.... 2 months ago on switch... ish

Aye, I'm giving you the perspective of when i hopped on XD

[obtuse gyro]

the only thing that stopped me from being a founder was that I was a child with no money

had I been like 2 years older I would have an excal prime

[cunning copper]

I had the money but not the ability to spend kt

[hexed ember]

my longest hiatus from warframe happened before orbiters were a thing to when plains of eidolon came out

[primal nexus]

Is excal prime founder only?

[cunning copper]

Yes

[obtuse gyro]

yes

[hexed ember]

my brother had the money, he has an excal prime and at some point i took the shirt

it's on my chair right now..

think my brother still has the bandana somewhere. He hasn't played this in ages though

[cunning copper]

I could have gotten a pack, but i wasn't using my card online yet

[hexed ember]

i was broke college kid

[cunning copper]

The tutorial was so bad back then

[hexed ember]

i do not remember doing a tutorial tbh

[cunning copper]

And being a little rank 0 loki with no abilities because the game didn't tell you how to equip them was hell

[cunning copper]

That's the point innit? 😂

[hexed ember]

fair enough

[primal nexus]

EQUIP abilities?

[hexed ember]

they were mods

[cunning copper]

Yes

They used to be mods

[primal nexus]

Oh goooddss

[strange onyx]

Okay I'm sorry

but WHAT

[cunning copper]

Reasonable reaction lmao

[primal nexus]

How does your NAME not trigger that half the time??

[thick jolt]

I remember people just unequipped some abilities to make room for usefull mods

[hexed ember]

yep

[strange onyx]

BUT WHY????????????

[hexed ember]

and there was the old mod fusion system

[cunning copper]

Which lead to having 8 mod slots and abilities being innate, yes

[thick jolt]

Thats what DE asked so they made abilities intrinsic to warframes lol

[hexed ember]

to be fair, at least they stayed at max level when you forma'd : )

[cunning copper]

I miss the old mod fusion system

[hexed ember]

nah i'm good, getting hornet strike to 10 was a nightmare

[cunning copper]

Just feed a few hundred trash mods to it like i did

[thick jolt]

Heh getting all that endo from fusion cores was funny

Then when i was getting low they converted dirac to endo too

[primal nexus]

What was old mod system?

[hexed ember]

you put the dupes into the mods directly to level them

matching mods gave more

[thick jolt]

Or fusion cores

[cunning copper]

You could put any mod into them

[primal nexus]

That sounds... not too bad?

[cunning copper]

It just wasn't as efficient unless it was the same polarity

[primal nexus]

Depending on how many it took

[hexed ember]

it took a lot

[thick jolt]

Hundreds in some cases i think

[hexed ember]

you know how the endo cost of a mod doubles every level?

The amount of dupes you needed doubled every level, basically

[cunning copper]

Tbf we get hundreds of duplicates

[hexed ember]

i feel like i remember the final level being 1k

[cunning copper]

I wouldn't mind feeding them directly into mods of the same polarity to rank them up like I used to

[hexed ember]

endo, relatively, is a lot cheaper in total stuff needed

but having the bonus mathcing thing was neat

[cunning copper]

I think i've got 3k some duplicate mods laying around atm

[thick jolt]

You know what i kinda miss ? The mods showing as little leds on the weapon or the frames arm

[cunning copper]

Transmutation was less restricted back then too iirc

[cunning copper]

That was a thing?

[hexed ember]

i don't remember transmutation

[primal nexus]

Is transmutation useful?

[cunning copper]

It can be

[thick jolt]

Yeah i think it was on the iteration before cards when it was a skilltree with slots for mods

[cunning copper]

Usually it results in trash, but it can be a way to get rid of duplicates to potentially get a mod you don't have yet

Ah, that would have been before i started

[thick jolt]

It was sorta a gauge of how far along you were
It was also before most customizations so it was clear to see

[cunning copper]

Was probably another nod to Dark Sector

[hexed ember]

i joined on open beta, and open beta was when they switched to the mod system

[cunning copper]

Hayden's abilities showed as lights on his arm too

[thick jolt]

Didnt know that, cool

[cunning copper]

There's remnants of Dark Sector all over the place lmao

[hexed ember]

one of the funnier remnants was back on the old corpus ship map, the backgrounds were from before normal maps were a thing

[thick jolt]

Didnt get to play dark sector so only things i know are the obvious proto skins

[hexed ember]

like, in terms of textures/lights/reflections or whatever

[cunning copper]

Glaive and gun dual-wielding came from DS

It was his default combat style

[hexed ember]

gendered warframes having different abilities was just because they needed to have more frames, they couldn't waste assets...

[cunning copper]

I was happy when it came with Harrow

[hexed ember]

i use glaive and gun on my main.. doesn't do as much ever since quick melee, but i can block while using my secondary

[cunning copper]

Ivara's Navigator ability also came Dark Sector

Was a thing Hayden used to control the glaive mid-flight

As were most glaive mechanics

[primal nexus]

What's a hayden

[cunning copper]

Character from Dark Sector

A game DE made before Warframe

[jagged crane]

What’s dark sector lol

Never mind

[primal nexus]

The... mission ... thank you

[cunning copper]

Was also the original name for Warframe

[hexed ember]

yeah, dark sector original teaser stuff was warframe, then because of publisher dark sector got a much different tone/setting/etc

[thick jolt]

Excalibur was inspired by how hayden looked in armor points at proto skins

[jagged crane]

Is dark sector a released game or just one that we’ve heard about

[thick jolt]

Released

[cunning copper]

Released

[thick jolt]

Xbox 360

[hexed ember]

dark sector released, but we also know of an unreleased one that looks more like warframe

[jagged crane]

Ah so I’m going to look that up now

[cunning copper]

Publisher didn't want a sci-fi game, so they made Dark Sector as it was released

[hexed ember]

yep

[cunning copper]

Which is ironic because the focal point is a nanotech plague

Pretty sci-fi to me

[jagged crane]

Pfffft

[primal nexus]

Hence tge dark sector infestation run areas

[jagged crane]

That’s about as sci-fi video game as it gets lol

[cunning copper]

Exactly

[hexed ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzsLrcTNfO8

[thick jolt]

They probably showed just the intro to the publishers

[hexed ember]

the warframe they showed to publishers was too 'high' sci-fi

they wanted more modern day

[cunning copper]

What warframe did they show?

[hexed ember]

er

[cunning copper]

Excal was still the face of the game even back then

[hexed ember]

the dark sector they showed*

but yeah, the trailer i posted basically

[cunning copper]

Dark sector still got fairly advanced sci-fi

[hexed ember]

think this trailer originates in like, ~2007 or so

[cunning copper]

Nanotech plague gives superpowers, fighting robots, and other stuff

E3 2007 wasn't it?

[hexed ember]

oh, it's older than that maybe

[jagged crane]

It’s legit just Excalibur versus the grineer lol

I love it

[cunning copper]

And corpus

[hexed ember]

og jackal

[primal nexus]

slowly looks at warframes being people infested with a particular strain of a biomechanical pathogen to gain powers

[jagged crane]

Oh so that was the jackal I saw there

[hexed ember]

actually jackal never took that design into warframe itself

[cunning copper]

Did you notice it was the old corpus ship tileset?

[hexed ember]

yeep. And the grineer had a burston

[cunning copper]

Also corpus were there as engineers

The grineer were security

[jagged crane]

I’m prolly going to be watching someone play through the game on YouTube tomorrow now lol

[cunning copper]

Was a fun game

[jagged crane]

Now I get why Excal is the only one with proto armor

[cunning copper]

Don't be surprised when mentions of the Lotus come up lol

[jagged crane]

Well the lotus symbol is on his chest and the logo so I figured it would lol

[hexed ember]

there were some like, documents somewhere that had hayden using mind magic like nyx

[cunning copper]

He actually isn't

[jagged crane]

Who else has a proto armor skin?

[hexed ember]

nyx?

[cunning copper]

Nyx's Nemesis skin also comes from Dark Sector

She was Hayden's psychotic ex

[jagged crane]

Ah, well I wouldn’t know unless it was literally called proto armor lol

[hexed ember]

The story behind warframe's development is really unique and cool on its own

[jagged crane]

Pfffft and now I suddenly like nyx a lot more

[cunning copper]

They nearly bankrupted the studio twice to make it happen iirc

[hexed ember]

warframe as we know it was a hail mary last ditch attempt to save the studio

[cunning copper]

Because publishers wouldn't back it, so they did it themselves

[hexed ember]

so they just made the game DE always wanted to make, and it ends up saving them

[jagged crane]

Man and just think of how much bigger the game would be if they could advertise it more, it would be probably one of he most popular games ever

[hexed ember]

it's why a lot of early warframe stuff is kinda scuffed, things like old corpus ships were backwards lankas

[cunning copper]

They wanted to make it way back in the early 2000's for the ps2

[hexed ember]

as in the ones you saw in space from the window

warframe development is a cool story of stickin to your guts and direction and heart etc

don't let your dreams be dreams etc

[thick jolt]

Oh yeah just remembered excalibur has hayden tenno written on his shoulders there another easter egg

[cunning copper]

A decade later after repeated rejection from every publisher they pitched it to, they self-published and we got Warframe

[hexed ember]

especially the art.. warframe's style is probably one of the most alien out there, and i love it

[thick jolt]

World still needs more proper sci fi games

[hexed ember]

we need more weird

[thick jolt]

Yeah

[cunning copper]

If anyone wants weird games just throw money at Kojima

[tribal whale]

yeah, I love the orb vallis design
it's beautiful in a nice alien way

[thick jolt]

Recently he announced a podcast
Wonder if he'll speak english suddenly or if i still have to learn japanese

[primal nexus]

Subs over dubs /s XD

[thick jolt]

Lol

[hexed ember]

kojima's real talent is the gameplay side of story telling, but he wants it to be the writing side.. 😔

[tribal whale]

yoo what
I'm doing the sacrifice and when I drop into lua to confront umbra, if I get taken out as operator, I get an umbra

[cunning copper]

Doesn't he make a point of not speaking english though?

[hexed ember]

Isn’t that kamiya

[cunning copper]

I know Kojima can speak english, but doesn't he actively avoid it unless he has to?

[meager pelican]

When is the new warframe dropping and how do I get it free

[primal nexus]

Sometime this month.
Log in within 2 weeks of it dropping.

[meager pelican]

Alright thanks

[wild wind]

Nah, Kamiya was an English major in college. He wrote the English lyrics to W101's main theme song lol

[hexed ember]

remember him blocking anyone who tweeted at him in english is all.. didn't know he was an english major tho

[wild wind]

I tweeted him a few years back saying that I really liked something he'd just released (probably W101 lol) and got a smiley emoji

Hmm actually now I'm thinking if I could get one of those masks on my Operator...

[bright robin]

gosh

that was whole new game

[kind panther]

I see you chose lotus👀

[bright robin]

yea

bad choice?lol

[kind panther]

Eh depends on preference

[bright robin]

what does it affect

[kind panther]

Name

[bright robin]

what

[kind panther]

Skin can be changed whenever at the cost of plat

[bright robin]

skin of lotus?

[kind panther]

Go to helmet in your quaters

[still swan]

i choosed margulis becose i saw lotus and natah for past 7 years so i wanted to see diffrent tipe

[cyan crest]

It affects the name she'll have from that point on, and some dialogue in Angels of the zariman and future quests

[still swan]

does anyone know in wich part of drifter camp is gonna be khal i need to pre decorate it to see if it is gonna stay

[river willow]

pretty sure it's right by the big tree

[cyan crest]

The one people use to go out of bounds?

[river willow]

the one behind it

[cyan crest]

I see

[river willow]

i'll check the dev stream later

[north trail]

I thought it was directly in front of the path where the bridge is

[river willow]

it's at the elevated piece of land next to the bridge.

[lost tapir]

God, I feel like veilbreaker is just Breathing down our necks since it's so close to the release date potentially

[real niche]

And then it feels like that for the next 3 weeks because they decided to release it in the later half of the month

[zenith jacinth]

Imagine if it releases on the 30th

[lost tapir]

Here's my dorm wall of plaques

[cyan crest]

Oh that's actually very nice looking

I threw mine into the water cave behind the drifter's camp

[zenith jacinth]

Mine are at the one place in the personal quarters with that weird wall

Aside from the MR13 one I think which is at my arsenal

[north trail]

Yk I've bought a bunch of decorations but I'm too bored to decorate dormizone until it has a use

[scarlet basalt]

Look like chocolate

[still swan]

i have them in my helmit room he ate them

same with everithing that was in that room i stole it and trow it in helmit as decoration and it fitted

[tribal whale]

bruh how am I supposed to kill this jackal with just some crappy moas

[kind panther]

Stun give boom a shield drone then send boom towards it

[tribal whale]

when it's doing the lasers the shield drone doesn't live long enough to get the breacher in

do I just need to hit the like
5s timing?

[kind panther]

When its on the floor stunned thats when you send boomy in

[tribal whale]

yeah that'll be tight

tfw the shield drone goes just a bit too far and the boom dies
and ofc there's no time to try with a 2nd one before it goes back to leg destroying time

[north trail]

Pretty sure the new war jackal fight is specifically designed to be as hard as farming rhino as a new player

[tribal whale]

I got it on like
the 7th try

[cyan crest]

should've scrolled down

Anyway you can link the Shield drone to the breacher moa, then the breacher moa to the dying Jackal so it explode without having to shoot at it

[tribal whale]

how does one avoid those deacons

[primal nexus]

plays the metal gear solid theme

smoke screens help if you get them set up BEFORE you are seen, doesn't work so much as a panic button

[still swan]

be really good at spy i doged them even withouth smoke screen

[tribal whale]

yeah the delay and the recharge time make it really not that helpful except to get between cover and cover when close

[tribal whale]

spy missions you just kill everything that might see you lol

[primal nexus]

laughs in void mode+limbo

[still swan]

i actualy play other games than just warframe so i guess you just bad

[tribal whale]

I mean
I got through but it took a while with how dang many of those deacons there are

[still swan]

not every one is stealth 100 in skyrim

[tribal whale]

bruh wtf's the point of putting on a veil for disguise if the deacons still yeet you on sight

and now no smoke screen

[kind panther]

Gets you past the grunts ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[primal nexus]

and in the door presumably

[hexed ember]

they have to get close to find out

[primal nexus]

"close"

[tribal whale]

I stg new war is just warframe devs wanting to make dark souls

[primal nexus]

nahhhh... that's soulframe XD

[tribal whale]

lol
but these archons with nothing but a bow and drifter larping as a crappy warframe?

[primal nexus]

do you want a hint or are you just (fairly so) griping a bit

[tribal whale]

yes

[primal nexus]

...to which

[tribal whale]

I've tried this boreal like 5 times and only gotten through like one and a half stages

and I can't seem to figure out how to do it besides try and avoid getting hit

I want my bullet jump or void sling

[primal nexus]

do you know that the heal ends DoT?

[tribal whale]

yeah

[zenith jacinth]

Don't do boreal first, the other two are a lot easier

[primal nexus]

boreal super telegraphed for me

[tribal whale]

bruh
I was told nira was the hard one

[kind panther]

I did boreal and nira then left amar for last

[zenith jacinth]

Nira and amar are incredibly easy

[primal nexus]

what's killing you?

[tribal whale]

the damage?
every time I move out to hit, some aoe or the beams slaps me, or I get slapped with the dot when my heal is on cooldown

[primal nexus]

boreal had a lot of tells for what attacks were happening

[zenith jacinth]

Nira is probably the easiest, actually

[tribal whale]

and then how tf do I get into the dome when none of my maneuvers or movement will let me move that direction?

[thick jolt]

This one i know gotta be invisible

[zenith jacinth]

Just do the other ones

[tribal whale]

how to I abort the fight then?

[zenith jacinth]

Can't you just abort the mission or something

[tribal whale]

nah you have to exit game
only 3 options and one of them is the settings menu

well trying nira now

[cyan crest]

Boreal is the easiest one wdym

[kind panther]

Fr i did boreal and nira as my ones

[cyan crest]

Perfect shoot him to death then sprint and role into his heal attack then perfect shoot him again and he's dead

[zenith jacinth]

I struggle with boreal even when I leave him for last

Schock procs know no mercy

[kind panther]

Use heal

[tribal whale]

nira was definitely easier
took only 1 retry

[cyan crest]

Amar was the one I found the hardest because even when I was told like 89 ways to find the real one amongst his clones I just cannot

I always find him due to luck

[hexed ember]

you don't have much time either

[tribal whale]

bruh his charge targets me through invis wtf

[zenith jacinth]

You didn't try the radar ability, which lights him up and marks him on the minimap?

[tribal whale]

well seems like nira was the only one I could actually avoid getting hella damage and dot procs from

[twilit geode]

You dodgeroll into Boreal's bubble to hit him and interrupt him

[tribal whale]

especially since what use is invis when you get reamed through it anyway

[hexed ember]

i saved nira for last and don't even know her gimmick, just that she can't handle glaive prime very well

[tribal whale]

I doubt any of these can handle big boom in their faces every couple seconds

especially since the damage numbers I see from this bow are like 1k not 100k

[cyan crest]

I did
I still couldn't find him
Am I dumb? Probably

You can bypass boreal's heal with the smoke bomb too

[cyan crest]

I mean that's cause it's unmodded

It's a very good bow when modded

[tribal whale]

my point is, I doubt any of these handle a properly modded frame

[hexed ember]

yeah no

[zenith jacinth]

Her gimmick is that she's slow and completely useless when any walls are around

[primal nexus]

welllllll.... glances at archon hunt they will

[tribal whale]

pretty sure my xoris will smash whichever of them down to health gates instantly

[hexed ember]

i guess it's good I saved her for last, for the ultimate revenge bully for making me run away

[twilit geode]

Man, people really don't handle challenge well in Warframe do they? Personally, I loved the Archon fights. They were a change of pace, something that actually provided some modicum of challenge compared to how most missions for me have been reduced to wanton slaughterfests with no effort.

[tribal whale]

challenge is one thing
getting reamed for like 10 attempts without much sign you'll succeed? nah fam I don't play dark souls

[twilit geode]

Archon fights in Warframe are HARDLY Dark Souls tier. It's just different cause you gotta actually pay attention to sound and visual signals. And actually use dodgerolls instead of the typical "Stand in one spot and spam because Warframe lets you do that"
The heal ability you have interrupts and clears dots on yourself. The smoke bomb can stun for a short duration if need be. But your primary source of survival is simply, well... Staying mobile.

You ain't a warframe, you're just a dude with a bow.

[hexed ember]

I really liked boreal, didn't really like the rhino too much

but not cuz of difficulty

I also really liked the hints hunhow gives for each one, since they sorta only click once you're in the fight and they start doing moves

[primal nexus]

Rhino? What rhino?

[zenith jacinth]

Amar

[thick jolt]

Amar has a rhino for a body

[primal nexus]

Oh you mean like the 'frame

[zenith jacinth]

I started playing dark souls a few weeks ago and yeah, the archons don't even get close

[hexed ember]

Yeah, amar's also the name I always forget out of the three as well

[tribal whale]

tfw now there's this one spot that's easy in a proper frame because you can bullet jump up there
but now I need to go around and in the process fight a bunch of enemies at once and they've got the fancy rocket launchers

[zenith jacinth]

Dark souls bosses make me look up cheese methods to kill them

[primal nexus]

I was confused because... amars a wolf XD

[frail nymph]

Just use 2 and waltz right in

[twilit geode]

Or that

[frail nymph]

Why would it not?

Boreal dies in like half the shots and his attacks do very little damage... Doesn't even have any invulnerability phase that takes too long because of having to wait/think.

[tribal whale]

yeah I did boreal second and it worked out fine

now I'm busy being annoyed at ordis for making me use the paracecis instead of letting me use my damn xoris

[twilit geode]

Paracesis is the "Sentient Slayer" canonical weapon. It's a plot device.

[frail nymph]

How else would you hope to damage Ballas?

Void beams would do at least something but they aren't exactly as strong as a frame's weapons

[zenith jacinth]

Average meta fan

[tribal whale]

b r u h
I'm outside the map in archwing mode on a mission that shouldn't have any archwing

[tight lion]

https://tenor.com/view/sadf-gif-19898781

[tribal whale]

well
when that weapon is unranked and unmodded...

[icy ore]

I just hoped you could get Paracecis crafted like that… but no…

[hexed cipher]

I would side with ballas if i could

[graceful zodiac]

[primal nexus]

i wish there were mods for amps XD

[hexed cipher]

I and Him can agree on 1thing, 1thing only

He makes fortuna loose

Im with him

I hate fortuna so much, if i would get a option for them too suffer i would choose it

[zenith jacinth]

What did the solaris do to you

[hexed cipher]

They have quests

I mean bountys

Actully both

Also for narmer slaps

[zenith jacinth]

So do the entrati, the ostrons and the holdfasts

[hexed cipher]

Yea but they dont have the legs robot

[graceful zodiac]

Wow, so many bad takes in one go. You don't see that often

[hexed cipher]

I have a lot opinions that people dissagree with

Like garlic is good

[graceful zodiac]

That's not an unpopular opinion. Agreeing with a narcissistic mad man is an entirely different thing

[hexed cipher]

Cheese is bad

I hate it outside of pizza

It ruins everything its in

Also we all lift toogether is boring

[kind panther]

WRONG OPINION DETECTED

[hexed cipher]

I like ballas

Im commiting war crimes on this chat every time i type

[primal nexus]

draws nataruk i detect an archon

[hexed cipher]

Railjack is great, loved it the day it lunched

[kind panther]

Ok i agree with that RJ is fun

[hexed cipher]

Yea no clue where the hate comes from

[primal nexus]

currently jamming to sleeping in the cold below

[graceful zodiac]

Because the first month and a half of RJ were a buggy mess that was near unplayable

[primal nexus]

orphix is a pain but the rest is good fun

[hexed cipher]

Zariman house is bad

[primal nexus]

and a damn good source of endo >.>

[hexed cipher]

I had more fun on deimos than in fortuna

[cyan crest]

are the bad statements on purpose or does someone have really bad taste

[cyan crest]

Because like damn

[hexed cipher]

I would kill him if everyone in fortuna would die

But otherwise i would side with him and make them be eternal slaves

Until the sun goes out

After that i would go with him somwhere beacuse theres sun, no point too stay behind

[graceful zodiac]

Thus, an actual bad take

[hexed cipher]

How can someone like fortuna

[frosty elk]

by liking it

[graceful zodiac]

Because they're a society of innocent people forced into debt slavery trying their best to live?

[mellow glade]

Word

[graceful zodiac]

They've literally done nothing wrong

[hexed cipher]

I know

[primal nexus]

i think puffer just hates profit taker and is taking it out on the solaris

[hexed cipher]

You mean k drive?

[primal nexus]

you mentioned legs robot

[hexed cipher]

Yea they are in the open world

Them forcing me too interact with those things is a crime

I hate people

[frosty elk]

then why are you playing warframe, a free MMO

[hexed cipher]

I mean the fortuna people

[frosty elk]

they are nice

[hexed cipher]

Isn't engouch for me

No reason too like them

Majority of characters you talk with are nice in this game

[balmy storm]

what do you not like about them?
Their design?
What is it?

[kind panther]

Why wouldn’t they be? your literally space jesus to most of them

[zenith jacinth]

Space jesus with a lot more violence

[twilit geode]

Troll Detected

[kind panther]

For a good cause*

[tribal whale]

so the wiki says the void angel in the angels of the zariman quest drops an arcane as well as the voidplume quill but I only got the quill?

is the wiki wrong or did I get shafted

[obtuse walrus]

It's a drop chance

[tribal whale]

ah ok

[obtuse walrus]

Same with Thraxes

[strange onyx]

Lunched

[errant charm]

you know I wonder if people knew right away what a warframe was when the first Tenno were defrosted. Or if the origin system just found things being torn up by these unknown new arrivals.

[graceful zodiac]

They did. Many stories about frames already existed, plus the faction leaders all knew of them too

[primal nexus]

imagines the grineer's queens hearing the warframes were returning and immediately double and trippling the security on their fortress

[errant charm]

maybe that is why they made it move around and have unblowupable scanners.

[primal nexus]

would make good sense

[obtuse gyro]

straight up gave it the dreadnaught treatment lmao

[twilit wharf]

can someone help me in new war , i am stuck in it 😩

[kind panther]

Sure whats up?

[steady gate]

Can we have more information?

[twilit wharf]

i am stuck in defeating those 3 frames. don't know how many times i died though

[steady gate]

Is it the bow mechanics? Dodging? Health? Or the Archon’s gimmicks that are the problem?

[twilit wharf]

dodging and helath ig

[steady gate]

Well, you have a heal ability with a cooldown, a smokebomb so they can’t see you, and dodging reduces damage you take

Dodging as in, rolling

[twilit wharf]

i know doing that but still can't

[steady gate]

You’re really not giving us much info to work with

[twilit wharf]

🥲

[steady gate]

You could hide behind cover and take potshots while they try to get to you, I guess

[twilit wharf]

let me try those again hopefully i clear

[tribal whale]

nira's probably the easiest of them

[scarlet basalt]

I was thinking that zariman's crew member won't be too good looking.
Then i saw cavalero/quinn

[supple dagger]

Don’t forget Yonta

[kind panther]

Cavalero better

[supple dagger]

C a p. Yontas obviously the best looking person aboard the Zariman

[tribal whale]

I like cavalero's lines better tho

[supple dagger]

Well that’s fairrr. Cavalero seems like a nice guy to be around

[formal knoll]

Rewatching new war game play and Veso and Teshin mostly Teshin has really interesting mechanics. Now that we know we can play as Khal, I really wish we can get to play as Teshin again somehow. He’s dead but not really dead dead and I just hope it comes eventually cause out of the three I liked Teshin the most.

Although it’s funny and sad the way Teshin seemed so brave during his segment but in the end he just got slapped around and his head crunched by Erra

[zenith jacinth]

Teshin is dead dead

Twoshin doesn't seem to be teshin

[formal knoll]

Well they’re “Teshin”

[kind panther]

Tenshin

[formal knoll]

Maybe we drag him out of duviri and make him work his minimum wage job at the relays again

Also it’s funny that Teshin can use the four elements on demand, hm I wish we had a frame like that with no cooldown

[zenith jacinth]

*3 elements

[formal knoll]

Rewatching Duviri gameplay and it’s just funny lotus’s hand fell out of nowhere

Oh god I need to change my drifter and not hate the way it looks before duviri comes

[tribal whale]

meanwhile me making my drifter look just like my operator

[formal knoll]

The default drifter they gave me looked rlly bad, did not age up well at all

[zenith jacinth]

There is no default drifter

[cunning copper]

I think they mean the faces they used for their operator looked terrible on Drifter

I know mine did

Didn't actually look anything like the Operator, least of all an older version.

[zenith jacinth]

Mine had the same eyes

Everything else combined looked like tennobama

[cunning copper]

That was the only similarity on mine until i changed the face selection

[zenith jacinth]

Tbh they fixed the aging up later, it was broken at first

[balmy badger]

I guess I got lucky with mine... Cause mine actually DID look like an older version of my Operator without looking like Tennobama.

[zenith jacinth]

But the fixing made it worse

The faces don't really work

[zenith jacinth]

When did you do the quest

[balmy badger]

I played it on launch day, but I replayed it recently on another account.

There was a... Big difference between launch-day and now Drifter generation.

[zenith jacinth]

On launch day there's no way the drifter looked similar to your op

[kind panther]

I might try and actually fix my drifter

[cunning copper]

I played it on launch day and holy crap he looked terrible

[balmy badger]

Mine was bald lol.

[zenith jacinth]

And replays just use your self-edited version

All launch day drifters were bald iirc

[cunning copper]

They use the custom outfit for the operator too funnily enough

So when I replayed it, my operator was wearing the Harrier suit in the Zariman segments

[balmy badger]

That was a bug on console, was never on PC IIRC... Shame, I wanted screenshots of the cinematics with my Operator cosmetics.

[zenith jacinth]

I refuse to use drifter as long as there's no beards

[kind panther]

I’m going to attempt the impossible to fix my drifter

[cunning copper]

That was a bug? Damn, hoped it was intentional

[zenith jacinth]

My drifter mostly looks fine, I just think he needs a beard

[cyan crest]

haha, I had to wait 2 weeks to play, my drifter had hair
Super awkward anime blue hair but hair nonetheless

[balmy badger]

Yep, those cinematics all have the Operator in the default Zariman suit with no facial accessories.

[cunning copper]

Was kind of funny sitting in the wrecked classroom wearing the battle armor of the harrier suit while everyone else had the pajama suit of the zariman

[cyan crest]

good thing they already fixed that

[cunning copper]

Good thing I won't be replaying it again anyway

[cyan crest]

[balmy badger]

That must have been... something to witness on female Drifter's

[cyan crest]

Some look nice when bald

[cunning copper]

My launch day drifter looked like an Altmer pulled out of Skyrim lmao

[balmy badger]

Yeah... I tried to make my Operator and Drifter look somewhat like my IRL self. I have a beard IRL, so I can't quite nail it.

[zenith jacinth]

I will never forget the countless tennobamas

[north trail]

Honestly I've been using drifter for a while now but i switched to op today

[balmy badger]

Drifter needs more suits.

[zenith jacinth]

All my video game characters need beards if they're adults

[north trail]

Mostly because the only way i could get drifter to look passable is with a mask

[zenith jacinth]

They will (hopefully) soon

[north trail]

But my mask isn't working in missions so

Child it is then

[balmy badger]

I really like the Voidshell suit, but more variety on other players is always nice.

Just wish they would fix the clipping issues on the neck though... Because I don't use a hood.

[zenith jacinth]

What clipping issues

[balmy badger]

The neck of the head mesh clips through the neck part of the suit, very noticeable on the version for Drifter, but it's there on the Operator one too.

[formal knoll]

I hope they add more drifter clothes that’s not like the one that they gave out at tennocon. For some reason it makes their head look big and it looks weird

[balmy badger]

How you have your face setup also changes it, some combinations are worse than others for it.

[zenith jacinth]

They are trying to get all operator suits to work for drifter, it's just a lot of work since they can't just scale up the op models

[formal knoll]

That explains why it gives off man child vibes

[tribal whale]

anyone know how to get into this room?

[formal knoll]

Try looking between the doors for a red panel then shoot it

If a door is open ever so slightly on the zariman just look between them for it

[zenith jacinth]

Shoot between da doors

[tribal whale]

yep it worked

[zenith jacinth]

Of course it did, that's how they open

[tribal whale]

any tips for finding void angels?

[primal nexus]

They have set possible spawns in certain rooms, i googled it to see the list of them (note on the doors, big explosive aoe's like cataclysm makes them easy if you ever have a rough time of it)

[formal knoll]

The more you fight angels the more you remember where they could be, it just comes down to memory honestly

[tribal whale]

yeah rn I'm doing exterminates and searching out all the things like that (main goal being void angels, secondary being following ghost kids around for the other voidplumes)

[thick jolt]

As far as i can tell they spawn only on the larger rooms

[real niche]

They should basically be always on the main path too

[scarlet basalt]

I like men

[cyan crest]

on the topic of liking hub world men, son cute

[tribal whale]

nah, kaelli tho

[icy minnow]

Dear devs. What were you thinking of when you made the Oxploiter Deck-12 bounty and only gave it 1000rep / mission !?.. I've soloed mission that gave 3x that with ease.. This bounty should be giving 4k/mission no less.

it's NOT easy, and it requires a reagent from an event....

[wicked iron]

If you'd like to put in a rep increase from that as a suggestion, the forums are the place to go. 🙂 Just remember to word it politely. 😛

[supple dagger]

Oh then I totally understand what you mean lol. They really are good looking guys, but I would prefer Cavalero over Quinn tbh

[cyan crest]

I said men

[zenith jacinth]

I wouldn't call kermerros a man tbh

[cyan crest]

yeah I'd call him a cutey

Uhm
Anyway
Spoilers right
Velibreaker and Duviri
Spoilery stuff

[zenith jacinth]

Twoshin is a gigachad

[cyan crest]

Twoshin shouldn't exist
But now that he does, let's see how they explain him

Because if they say he's our Teshin I'm burning something

[zenith jacinth]

Twoshin is a gigachad.

[cyan crest]

I can't see any flaws in your argument

[thick jolt]

Bounty was made for matchmaking purposes i think
Same with the eidolon bounties
They kinda exist just to match people together not to give any rewards

You could just as well enter the orb vallis with no bounties and do the exploiter fight without them

[real niche]

Because you get massive amounts of minerals to trade in for standing instead

There's the rest of her rewards, you know

[orchid remnant]

Why not

[tribal whale]

well
because our teshin died

[orchid remnant]

No

[rain otter]

Maybe.

[jagged crane]

Mate no one in this game actually dies lol, we’ll kill a boss in a quest and then in the next quest they’ll be back again

[rain otter]

He fell into the portal with lotus and the Tenno

[zenith jacinth]

He didn't

[rain otter]

So he could be the same Teshin.

[zenith jacinth]

Nope

[orchid remnant]

He did okay

[rain otter]

He was literally just on the floor you're telling me me couldn't get ducked into it?

[jagged crane]

Alad V is a prime example

[orchid remnant]

He told me in a dream

[zenith jacinth]

If any npc is killed in a quest they don't appear in the story anymore

[rain otter]

I mean we thought Ballas Died

[zenith jacinth]

Aside from erra but he's kinda iffy

[rain otter]

Cuz sword to chest.

[zenith jacinth]

Ballas was being dramatic

[orchid remnant]

Teshin not dead 😭

[zenith jacinth]

He got crunched

Varzia isn't an argument against that because you can see her still move while teshin just flops to the ground and does nothing

[rain otter]

It could be a different teshin

Could be the same teshin idk.

We will see.

[zenith jacinth]

Duveshin is most likely hopefully a different one

I like that

Duveshin

[rain otter]

I think it's better if he's the same but shRug.

[zenith jacinth]

It'd make no sense

Anyone else we saw enter the void in tnw wasn't fully dead yet

[orchid remnant]

He’s not dead

Teshin lived, he had a lunaro ball stored in his hat that protected him

[zenith jacinth]

[primal nexus]

glances at vor

[zenith jacinth]

Vor was revived by the Janus key

And is honestly ancient

[primal nexus]

glances at mercury and ceres

[zenith jacinth]

?

[primal nexus]

vor is a boss on both planets XD

and i don't recall him escaping on mercury. could be wrong

[zenith jacinth]

Cool, did you read this properly

And ceres is almost definitely a placeholder boss because it's just 2 previous bosses

[fierce ledge]

What lotus did u guys choose

[primal nexus]

is the kill on mercury not part of the quest? vor's prize?

[zenith jacinth]

Lotus

[fierce ledge]

I chose marguils

[fierce ledge]

After nw

[zenith jacinth]

You clearly didn't read properly

[primal nexus]

maybe instead of being condescending you can just correct the idea that killing vor on mercury is part of the vor's prize quest?

[zenith jacinth]

Is vor seen at any point in the story after vor's prize?

[fierce ledge]

Yes

On a couple missions. That’s it.

[zenith jacinth]

Missions aren't part of the story

[tribal whale]

ew

[fierce ledge]

How’s it ew

[primal nexus]

is it part of story when it's required by junctions?
which means it is a requirement for progression?

[fierce ledge]

I think

[zenith jacinth]

Only quests are part of the story

[primal nexus]

also was he in any operations?

[tribal whale]

natah is what she was
lotus is what she chose to become
margulis is what ballas decided to force her into being after killing the actual margulis

[fierce ledge]

If u haven’t noticed a few days ago my pfp was ballas. During his death

[zenith jacinth]

Please do note that it's actually the lotus herself choosing who takes charge

[graceful zodiac]

Tell that to Hunhow and Alad

[cunning copper]

I chose Margulis because I felt she'd want to help the system heal after everything that's happened to it, and it isn't like the other two disappear.

[wicked iron]

Janus Key revived him, but I think Ceres may be a placeholder boss for something in the future. I could be 100% wrong, of course, but just a theory I've had for some time lol

[primal nexus]

How long of a placeholder is that lol XD

[tribal whale]

the sort of temporary solution that ends up being permanent ofc

[primal nexus]

thenn until it gets replaced thaht sounds like cannon to me lol

[cunning copper]

The Sergeant fight used to be against a named corpus figure

Forget who specifically it was though

[orchid remnant]

Nef right

[tribal whale]

yeah it was sergeant nef anyo

[sinful timber]

Dark Sector REMAKE ❤️

[ember panther]

Alad V is an orokin?

[river willow]

yeah probably

[wicked iron]

High ranking Corpus can trace their ancestry to Orokin, so only in that sense.

[ember panther]

Cause the acolytes were like: We are looking for that orokin alad V.

[wicked iron]

Yeah, and Hunhow calls him Orokin in The Second Dream. I believe they are referencing the pride the Corpus leadership have in tracing their lineage to Orokin.

[storm verge]

Hey guys what did you choose Natah, Lotus, Marguilis

[cyan crest]

Lotus

I should've chosen Natah

Anyway, in lore it is her who chooses and I think that's neat

It makes the Margulis choice less creepy

[storm verge]

So you pick marguilis?

[wicked iron]

I don't see why Margulis would be a creepy choice. 😮 I chose Lotus, though.

[rain otter]

I chose Natah.

[twilit geode]

To me, the choice was only ever Lotus.
To pick Margulis would be pretending to be someone she never was.
To pick Natah would be her becoming who she used to be.
But Lotus was the time when she cared for us, and aided us. It's the only one of the three choices that felt right.

[proper harness]

i chose margulis cause the zariman and that whole thing is probably my favourite part of the tenno lore though it's probably definitely not the best choice morally

[cyan crest]

It'd be creepy if the tenno chose it is what I mean
Like forcing a foreign identity onto her
But Lotus chose it so it's fine

[cyan crest]

She has her memories and she chooses to be her, it's a morally good choice too

[ionic sleet]

There is no wrong choice.
Everyone chooses based on their interpretation and experience of the game's story. To say any of the choices is morally wrong, is subjective. Let's please stop calling other people's choice here wrong because they didn't see things in the same way.

[cyan crest]

Yeah

[hexed ember]

I felt like the margulis choice was a little weird/off for me because Lotus wasn’t really the original... I wouldn’t call it morally wrong, since she means the best in each form. ||I picked lotus because of the pretty new outfit||

[zenith jacinth]

Reminder that it's lotus choosing

I should have to say it, yet here I am, saying it

[swift pond]

Agreed, Marge doesn't sit right with me personally. Mostly the idea of mimicking a long dead person, important as they are to the Tenno, is unsettling to me. That's without getting into the psychology of Lotus and what Ballas did to get Marge back in whatever form. It is a valid choice however and all three are arguably in-character for the Lotus (it is her choice as stated by Scrap). I just don't believe it to be the best option for her forward progression as a character.

I'll rebuke rejecting the phrase "morally wrong" so long as it remains in a hypothetical context. There would be a problem if people were using that literally - your choices in fiction hold no bearing to your actual morality and so they should not be judged by them. If people are debating if it's morally right or wrong as a hypothetical scenario, that should be fine in theory.

[jagged crane]

Yeah I don’t think the margulis choice really made sense, I still chose it tho cuz I was kinda bored of always only seeing the Lotus helmet, I wanted to see a face lol
I’m also a newer player so there wasn’t a whole lot of nostalgia attached which helped too. I also reasoned that if I wanted the other styles I’d just grind out the plat and buy them.

[balmy badger]

Friend of mine picked Lotus, then bought the Margulis skin cause he wanted to keep the Lotus name.

[scarlet basalt]

Guys new theory/iceberg dropped : The first time DE used the "without loading" gameplay, they used the exploiter orb boss fight, you know you don't get any loading screen when you go through the door, but there is also nothing behind you.
Which mean that this is the first time they used a way to get a "no loading" gameplay

[fleet veldt]

DE's been using that kind of tech ever since they made the Plains of Eidolon update. There -may- be a loading wait, but no screen intermission.

One way they could do that with the Orbiter is finish up its exterior and make the Landing Craft controls more clear-cut and something between an Archwing and Railjack. Maybe even give it weapon hardpoints to clamp Archhguns and some Railjack armaments onto?

It could be the Necramech counterpart for Archwings; fast, tough, lethal, but with much less in terms of abilities - mainly cloaking, chaff, and hacking/confuse as it's only abilities.

[wicked iron]

Lotus choosing to honor Margulis, the one responsible for her having caring parts to her personality the way she does in the first place, I think is a powerful thing. I mean, she does have all of Margulis's memories as well, anyway. Nothing wrong with her honoring the courage Margulis had to have to say no to Ballas and the rest of the Seven, plus helping the children even after all she went through.

[cyan crest]

Yeah, when it's her who chooses the option's fine, specially since Margulis was already one of the 3 identities she had in her mind
If it had been the tenno it'd been less good, like, yeah Lotus I've thought you have to be this person that has been dead for a long time because her identity brings me good memories
But again, since it's her who chooses, it's fine

[swift pond]

Mmhmm. As I said, they're all reasonable options for the character. I hadn't considered the "honouring the dead" angle, focusing instead on how it was what Ballas wanted Natah to be, but it is one of the better reasons I've heard.
Honestly one of the best choice sections I've seen in a game for how nuanced it is. Slightly marred by how it still affects the "morality" sundial (giving players an ulterior motive to pick a choice, even if just aesthetic), but a good cap to the character arc none the less.

Other than that and how it aesthetically changes the Lotus (which can be changed later with platinum), it generates some hearty discussion and I could not be happier about that.

[wicked iron]

Ballas wanted her to be a version of Margulis he could control, specifically. Even if she goes with Margulis, it is not one he commands. A poetic final insult to him.

[wicked iron]

Always fun to talk about lore, indeed! As long as it doesn't get heated. 😄

[swift pond]

The way I saw it, it was a sign of Ballas' influence continuing after he died. Though since he is, in fact, a coffin at this point it may be moot; it's not like he can gloat about it now. All that's left are any potential hangups from being the person he wanted Natah to be, but Ballas himself ultimately does not get the final say.

It's an interesting take for sure, especially as someone against the Marge choice myself.

[proper harness]

honestly i forgot about the sundial thing a lot during TNW leading to me tainting the sundial a fair bit especially with the weird flashback/hallucination scene cause i spent way too long thinking about what would be the most comforting for the kids.

[north trail]

Yeah, kinda the tww choice

[north trail]

You can't really "taint" the sundial

Because there's no inherently good and bad choice

There's a reason it's sun and moon

[proper harness]

yea, fair i was kinda talking from the standards of "light good vs dark bad" which is the standard across most things.

[jagged crane]

Nah it seems to me like there is a light/dark aspect to it - however the actual colors aren’t it; white = dark and black = light. Which does make sense a bit when you think about how the moon, Lua, is where the Tenno have been for however long, so the moon and the Tenno go hand in hand

[proper harness]

speaking of lua, i really should look into that name cause it was throws me off that its not luna. Wiki probably says tbf

[zenith jacinth]

It's calm and logical vs impulsive and emotional

Remember teshin's weird speech when he was veiled? That described the dial

[jagged crane]

It seemed like the Sun was the rash and aggressive path most of the time, while Moon was the one that had more thought put into the decision. For example in the war within with the Kuva choice

[cyan crest]

Lua is moon in Portuguese

Just like Luna is moon in spanish

Also, on the morality system

Three are the principles,
three the weaving ways.

Cool water flows,
the moon behind a cloud;
To the receptive mind
All things come in time.

Sun at mid-heaven,
Sovereign above all;
Mind in firm action
Commits without reflecting.

Between sun and moon
Unfolds a winding path;
Not by one Way alone
Is Mastery achieved.

Let me explain, Child. The words I speak to you have purpose. The choices you've been forced to make have not attuned you to 'good' nor 'evil', but to older, less subjective principles. You must find comfort in your choices, for your enemies will provide you none. The road ahead will be one that requires more choices of you, Child. Be ready.

That's the litany of the Dax, as recited by Teshin in the forums

[proper harness]

huh yeah, a bit less flashy then i was expecting but neat nonetheless

also neat definitely provides more context to the system

less morality more personality

[orchid remnant]

I bet he made it up on the spot

Freestyle litany

[cyan crest]

Lmao

he only started chanting it in the new war to make us think he hadn't made it up

[proper harness]

i was trying to think of a funny "gaslight, gatekeep girlboss" parody for teshin but my brain can't think of anything

[swift pond]

Tesh must have killed at slam poetry

[exotic robin]

Does anyone know when the update is gonna be?

[thick jolt]

no

[frail nymph]

September

[exotic robin]

It is September 😂 I just though someone may have a date I could put to it

[cyan crest]

Between today and the first of October

[exotic robin]

🤦🏻‍♂️ ok

[proper harness]

From what I remember from recent prime time (which I may be misremembering) DE themselves don't have a date so just gotta wait

[exotic robin]

Okie dokie then

[balmy storm]

I like to think they named it after this and the coding language

[daring steeple]

🌚

[bright torrent]

So i originally first started playing war frame about 3 years ago. Back then i wasnt sure if it was something i would really get into but i had a m8 who helped guide me through the game and when i got to second dream he sore the moment i realised just how deep warframes rabbit hole goes and it was at that moment i was hooked.
Now im mr22 i have been helping a new m8 through the game just like my m8 did for me and i sore there reaction to second dream just. I just love how wf has this loop of u being helped get into the game and then years later you will do the same for someone else. :3

[daring steeple]

I'm darn worried for Erra...

[obtuse gyro]

you mean, the everything but confirmed dead sentient

[thick jolt]

you have good reason to be considering the trailers

[obtuse gyro]

the one who's head is replaced by an archon?

[daring steeple]

We also need to know what ARE archons really, the explanation is very vague so far...
Hopefully somethin' of Erra can be retrieved... I liked 'im

[hexed ember]

poor moon can't be named after itself

[supple dagger]

Well. Idk if Erra was killed when it got crushed by stuff or he escaped and injected himself the Shard. But one thing is some are, "Tau forged" gives you clues what's about to come in years coming.

[proper harness]

I always thought erra stopped holding up the rubble once you got through. Though I may not have payed the closest attention to what happened after given the owl

[supple dagger]

Im sure he escaped.

[obtuse gyro]

Meanwhile the archon with Erra's Body

[supple dagger]

Ooor.... Erra is a multiple clone sentient controlled remote by one, that coule be possible but a way too far in ideas

[daring steeple]

Also, how did Erra get those orbs in 'im?

[steady gate]

I will say the orbs Erra got are…interesting

In the Erra quest, he says “If I had a heart” “If my eyes could weep”, but he had empty holes for both

His voice was more…mechanical.

Now that’s both have been filled in TNW?His voice has lost that mechanical rasping, and the way he talks is different

It’s not a slight change, it’s a complete shift in voice and word choice

[graceful zodiac]

Checking his voice lines, they isn't any real difference

[daring steeple]

I didn't notice the difference... but indeed he got some narmer upgrades

[graceful zodiac]

Well, not entirely no difference. But not a complete shift either

[steady gate]

It stands out a lot to me, the voice change more than the words

Though I will admit they toned down the rasping from when Erra first came out

[graceful zodiac]

But his words didn't change at all, he keeps the same fancy metaphor talk he and Hunhow always had

[balmy storm]

Didnt they say Erra died?

[swift pond]

Dead until needed by the plot. He's just on break.

[north trail]

Dead but then became an archon ig

Also are we going to fight erra as kahl?

Since he doesn't seem to be in the archon hunts, only 3 shards

Unless he has a chance to drop any of the 3

[autumn turret]

theres gonna be more archons afaik after release

[north trail]

Source?

[autumn turret]

hmm not where i thought it was, but just 3 over and over again would be.. not the best

[glass mesa]

I went with marguis because I pictured spacemums reasoning was natah had always been a weapon (from what I gathered natah was built from the ground up to infiltrate), lotus was a tool to control the tenno. Margulis was her chance to be something more, and with the added bonus of a final middle finger to Ballus.
As others have said I don't think there is a wrong answer, just different interpretations of the scene.

I know I spent half an hour thinking over it like the dfriter or operator choice because I wasn't sure it was permanent or not

Very late answer I know. Sorry

[swift pond]

Yeah, that checks out.

[glass mesa]

Not like you see anything, but she does have lovely eyes

[indigo plank]

I picked natah because I think she shouldn't be forced to mimic someone else, she should be her truest self. If I picked Margulis, I'd feel like I was telling her that she is a pale imitation of someone else and nothing more. If I chose Lotus, it'd be once again the will of the tenno over her true self, reducing her to a symbol.

However I do understand the reasoning of other choices, and I don't condemn them.

[cyan crest]

You wouldn't be telling her anything tho, as she is who makes the choice

[indigo plank]

Not literally, sure. I'm justifying her choice, not telling her what she should be.

[cyan crest]

makes sense

[bright torrent]

so heres a thng they said that the devirie paradox is gonna take place earlyer in the story than new war but if thats true and drifter is the main focus wouldnt that make the bit in new war not as cool ? like for me drifters introduction in new war is perfect but if u do dp first wouldnt it lessen the impact ?

[obtuse gyro]

duviri paradox can only take place during and after in terms of events, allowing you to play the Duviri Paradox earlier wouldnt lessen the impact because you'd finally figure out how drifter got there. Its like watching star wars in episode order instead of release order

[wicked iron]

It can be played before or after, which makes sense given it's a paradox.

[bright torrent]

im just curius how its gonna feel for new players to do that first

[wicked iron]

Hard to be sure, but I see what you mean.

[bright torrent]

like im just worryed it might feel like doing war within before second dream ik that dosnt make sense but u get what i mean i just hope the flow of the story isnt lost playing it in a diffrent ordre

[obtuse gyro]

it wont be

[hexed ember]

the duviri paradox takes place before new war, there's only oen order

[obtuse gyro]

because the events of the duviri paradox from what we have seen takes place during and after the new war

it is only in the new war where lotus's hand is cut off and we see it reappear at the start of the duviri paradox

additionally its a largely self-contained story, being drifter's origins/experiences in duviri before he links up with us in the new war

[bright torrent]

so from that it sounds like the first part of the new war happens first kinda and every moment after you are logged out the story splits into 2 things the rest of the new war and the divirie paradox. i mean that actuly makes a bit more sense if that is the case

[autumn turret]

the playable duviri paradox happens in the black screen between getting stabbed and then when we play as the drifter

[jagged crane]

We also don’t know exactly how Duviri Paradox will be for newer players. We know it will be playable, but they might still have content locked until they complete quests. So they might have access to only some of Duviri, not the whole thing, until they’ve unlocked enough of the story for things in Duviri to make sense

[thick jolt]

Duviri will probably look like a random sidequest until you do new war

[jagged crane]

From what we’ve heard Duviri is meant to be a thing where you don’t just play it once, you can play it constantly and it has varying content etc., so new players might just have access to gameplay whereas players who’ve done quests get to do a Duviri Story quest or something

[thick jolt]

That sounds backwards

Usually they do an introductory quest and then let players have access to normal gameplay

[hexed ember]

It will probably just be like other open worlds with regular and operator content split, but instead its pre and post new war

[jagged crane]

Well there’d likely be a separate tutorial quest that introduces Duviri but then maybe a second that’s all about how you get out of Duviri and into the New War which is only accessed by those who’ve done the quests and newer players can only do the tutorial quest

[thick jolt]

Personally i think its the duviri frames that might be locked behind new war

[frail nymph]

Well, all that reasoning isn't really relevant because in the end the choices are just her choosing to be what she believes is the best version of herself.

[frail nymph]

Parts of it are still possibly before, such as the involvement of Warframes.

[frail nymph]

No...

It's before (possibly) and after (definitely) and during (definitely) all at the same time. That's what the paradox is about.

[obtuse gyro]

Maybe, but it looks like however those frames arrived in duviri wont be during the events of the quest itself

[frail nymph]

It's not, based on the information shared so far.

[frail nymph]

Yes I mean that their entry point might be from a time before New War events.

[obtuse gyro]

Ah yes, but I was referring specifically to where the events during the actual quest itself takes place on the timeline

[frail nymph]

That portal at the floating hand I mean. That appears during the quest itself

[hexed ember]

I am pretty sure I remember during tenno that reb said that the start of duviri is from before new war, but maybe she jmust meant the access to it

because i know that part is true, at least

[frail nymph]

She said it's available before the new war, and added context to it. hold on I'll grab the timestamp

https://youtu.be/u0qtfJdAbkk?t=1629

[frail nymph]

The explanation for it being available before New War is that "it's indeed a paradox"

[hexed ember]

Ah. The ‘earlier in warframe journey’ is about the availability to the player, not the story

It’ll be fun piecing together stuff

Thanks 4 timestamp

[frail nymph]

A major objective of theirs is to provide a uniquely differing experience between people who choose to do Duviri first and those who do NW first.

[wicked iron]

I'm going to have use my alt account to see the differences. 😄 Unless it's simply meant about discovering Duviri things for the player themselves, as opposed to the Tenno acting differently in The New War.

[frail nymph]

I've invited a friend who stopped when Fortuna came out to play when Duviri is out for that express purpose

[wicked iron]

A live dissection! 😛

[worldly oak]

Did a Void Fissure mission on Mars the other day. Came across this room on the way to extraction and PTSD kicked in.

The second act of the New War quest kinda scarred me.

||Please Amar, don't light me on fire again! I'll be a good Tenno, I promise...||

Speaking of New War, ever since I finished that quest, everytime I went to Fortuna, I'd pass this guy near the Biz's place, and this subtitle would appear once everytime I visited Fortuna without fail;

I think we missed a spot...

[primal nexus]

namar bounties show yes, lot's of spots missed

[cyan crest]

It's where the Solaris says it in the quest. They reused the same map for the hub version of New Fortuna so I guess that trigger stayed? Idk enough about making a game to be making this claim lol

[worldly oak]

Yeah, I guess. I just like to imagine that this guy is still Veiled. Eudico did say some Solaris took the veil willingly...

[tribal whale]

idk how veils work when your head is robotic tho

[cyan crest]

They have it in the robotic head

[fleet veldt]

It's Orokin-Sentient hardware. Would override tech as easily as it does living beings.

That said I'd imagine some have sussed a way to 'hack' their Veils so they have more control over their experiences - maybe using them as a recreational or 'supportive' tool in lieu of what amounts to no real support.

With enough backwards-engineering Veils could be useful as a 'Thought Reality' medium for people to play in while their bodies are semiautonomously working, thus giving them spare time to live with.

[worldly oak]

||the one in his chest isn't.||

[primal nexus]

it gets put on their actual heads XD

[cyan crest]

Still, the veil is worn in the robotic head

You can see it during the quest, the veil is worn in the robo head

[primal nexus]

||the veils are drugs||

[primal thorn]

they have something like spores falling off when you rip them off of cetus people so

[zenith jacinth]

That's a sort of dust or smoke from the kuva that's seemingly used in them

[jagged crane]

I assumed the guy in Fortuna was left deliberately as an example of those who took the veil willingly and now refuse to have it taken from them

[hexed ember]

I thought narmer veils were just adjusted corruption things fromthe void

They seem related at least

[frail nymph]

It just has to "show you" the perfect thing anyway. The sensors for at least 3 senses must be in the robotic head which I would guess is enough

[cyan crest]

But remember that it's not only your fantasies
You're bombarded with pro Ballas propaganda 24/7

The guys singing for Narmer are at that point believing what they chant
It's pretty creepy

[frail nymph]

Or at least having faith in what they chant

[cyan crest]

I say this because we often talk about how the veils show you your perfect reality but it's not just that, it's also all the pro Ballas propaganda

[frail nymph]

I mean it's kinda implicit but sure.

Also no wonder it worked instantly for Ballas

It's like on the level of falling in love with yourself in the Loki series, I guess

[cyan crest]

No need to give pro Ballas propaganda to the guy that's most pro Ballas in the system

[north trail]

Ballas is pro ballas? Surprising

[hexed ember]

wish i had the confidence to be pro Zext...

[cyan crest]

Narcissus would be proud if he hadn't drowned trying to kiss a reflection of himself

[jagged crane]

A respectable fate

[gloomy hound]

helminth will be pleased XD

[bright torrent]

well this was a blast from the past anyone remember when the star chart looked like this XD

[zenith jacinth]

Or there is no lore reason and DE just doesn't remove the trigger for those subtitles

[balmy badger]

Nothing quite like the morning "Hey kiddo".

[supple dagger]

Welp, update tomorrow

[balmy storm]

I was not expecting this wow

[graceful zodiac]

Well dang, Where's the Fanfare

[balmy storm]

I hope we’ll still be able to check out Kahl somewhat aside from the quest

[primal nexus]

Khal has cosmetics i think from one of the devstreams

[balmy storm]

He does

[zenith jacinth]

Wait what

Spartan time soon?!

[primal nexus]

tomorrow

[zenith jacinth]

An hour too late

But this is a better format

[supple dagger]

Woah, free warframe!

[zenith jacinth]

...yes

[safe meadow]

Bro I ain't even home for ittt😭

[balmy storm]

That can be a good thing, means when you do play maybe there will be less bugs

[safe meadow]

But day one bonus

If we're even getting one with this

[primal nexus]

2 week bonus is all i've heard

[safe meadow]

Huh, nice

I'll manage, only out of town till Sunday

As of now

[primal nexus]

free styanax

[balmy storm]

Have we ever had a day one bonus?

[safe meadow]

Didn't we get one for quests like the sacrifice and stuf?

[balmy storm]

Free styanax is for 2 weeks so that doesn’t really count, that’s a 2 week bonus

If we get day one stuff then this update probably isn’t big enough for that, maybe Duviri though

[safe meadow]

Ohhh hopefully

[sage pond]

me

[bright torrent]

i wasnt playing back then but i remember the time before we had the orbiter and when we had to use keys to enter the void XD

[primal nexus]

isn't that the pre-relic days?

[safe meadow]

Yep

[daring steeple]

OHHH

[frosty elk]

@heavy atlas tbh I felt like she wanted to be lotus... natah is her true self, which she doesnt want to be, tried to avoid. being Margulis would just seem wrong, because thats who ballas wanted her to be. however, Lotus is who we know her as and who she wanted to be. no idea if that is true tho.

[heavy atlas]

Yeah exactly, but i was like: margulis really didnt deserve to die so lets just revive her. Then i kinda realized it dont really hit the same, shoulda chosen lotus

[frosty elk]

tbh I would be fine If you could pay like 100 plat for a name change

I use radiant skin tho not base

[heavy atlas]

eh wouldnt care enough really, i use content creator mode so lotus pops up as just her regular old self

why? because i hate the solaris faces with a passion

[frosty elk]

content creator mode?

[heavy atlas]

there is an option that hides a few spoilers

[frosty elk]

oooh

[heavy atlas]

intended for streamers and what not

but i just use it to hide the solaris faces because noone asked them to open up

[frosty elk]

solaris faces? dont they wear a helmet

[heavy atlas]

well you just got spolerino'd

if only that was a helmet

[real niche]

Someone isn't Rank 5 Solaris United

[safe meadow]

Waste the time to rank em up? Never

[heavy atlas]

Profit taker do be good tho

worth it

[safe meadow]

No pretty decor? No rank up

[heavy atlas]

dont the orbs give spider articulas? very much pretty decor

[safe meadow]

Not a clue

The main decor is ugly minus the weird animal cage looking things

[heavy atlas]

I want that vallis fox thingy as a pet

or for it to roam the orbiter because it looks very cute

[proper harness]

Speaking of pets roaming the orbiter, I made the mistake of regressing my vulpaphyla in hopes of a cute infestation thing

It became the long boi in the soup

[cyan crest]

I thought regressing the helminth hound would turn it into an infested puppy

Turns out baby helminth chargers are just blobs

[safe meadow]

Bahahah actually?

I got a vasca kavat and never been happier

[primal nexus]

Luckily regression can be undone

[proper harness]

If I had to pay anything to mature the long boy back into the cool infestation predator it was I would've cried sklakskskwk