spoiler-chat

[zenith jacinth]

Nooo, he would never do that

[balmy storm]

We didn’t even know til years and years later

[tropic ridge]

Just like Clark Kent and wearing glasses to hide his identity as Superman

[balmy storm]

you’re right, I don’t think Ballas has ever done that

[cyan crest]

Yeah, Lotus was just in her throne controlling the tenno, people could've known about her, people as in The Seven knowing the tenno had a mission controller, but not see her or know anything substantial about her

[balmy storm]

I feel like her voice coulda been a giveaway but you could say she used a filter like Eudico does

[cyan crest]

but no funny Nef mask

[tropic ridge]

lore explanation in a quest wen

[balmy storm]

I want a lotus skin where she has a funny nef mask now

Also not every piece of lore needs to be in quests

[tropic ridge]

At most I get the feeling we'll get the vampire Lotus skin for Halloween
https://i.imgur.com/rMcFlmz.jpg

[zenith jacinth]

Anyone else still hate the fact that the corpus face paint stuff is actually hair?

[balmy storm]

Just give her those colors lol

We dont need a whole skin for a little bit of blood drool

[sharp spoke]

I assumed it wasn't always hair, be really weird to have it like, across the eyes and stuff

[primal nexus]

so long as it isn't in temperary operations it's cool

[balmy storm]

It’s WHAT

[zenith jacinth]

Yep

[sharp spoke]

At least some of the time, yes. It's hair.

[balmy storm]

Sometimes it’s hair

[sharp spoke]

Story of my life

[balmy storm]

Wow
Idk how to feel about that

[undone forge]

I should give Natah those colors

[balmy storm]

Do it for October

[tropic ridge]

I don't see it being hair. Just Nef and his goofy drawn-on mustache

[balmy storm]

Paint hair lore is worse than mind exploding food lore

[tropic ridge]

Well, outside of Veso's bar beard

[zenith jacinth]

Did you look at veko's face during cutscenes?

[sharp spoke]

I think that's just his hair, not all Corpus face marks are hair

Like on his forehead

[tropic ridge]

Pretty sure Veso is the only time we've seen a Corpus with facial hair instead of face paint. Nef can't even grow facial hair, what a nerd

[zenith jacinth]

Vero is the only time we've seen a high-res close-up of a corpus face

[sharp spoke]

Parvos, who has marks on his eyes. Not hair

That would be ridiculous

[balmy storm]

Corpus fashion is ridiculous

[sharp spoke]

Also true

[balmy storm]

look at this fool

[sharp spoke]

Vala Glarios, also face paint

[balmy storm]

Does he waddle like a penguin???

I love how Vala has 2 amazon echoes strapped to her head

[sharp spoke]

No, he flies around, completely stiff except for his lil arms.
It's horrible to gaze upon

[balmy storm]

Okay DE, Nef either moves like this or like a penguin
Take your pick

[sharp spoke]

I love that image so much

[balmy storm]

There is no way he is not just a twig under that outfit

[sharp spoke]

He is lol, we've seen him without it

[balmy storm]

wait fr? Lmao

[kind panther]

When🗿

[balmy storm]

I hope 2023 is the year of the third orb mother and beating Nef to a pulp

[sharp spoke]

But I can't find an image anywhere, I thought there was a transmission that showed his bald head and twig body. Did i dream that?

[balmy storm]

I hope that’s real

[sharp spoke]

What the hell? It's saying that you, Ducky, sent my last message

[kind panther]

Ducky is taking control

[cyan crest]

I saw that, the bald twig Anyo

[kind panther]

Show

[sharp spoke]

Okay, didn't dream it then

[balmy storm]

(:<

[kind panther]

I need to see gamer anyo

[cyan crest]

I don't know where

[balmy storm]

I’m looking for the pic on google and found “fashionista nef anyo”
I was not expecting this

[sharp spoke]

I also saw that lmao

[balmy storm]

He looks good with hair

[sharp spoke]

Here's part of it

[cyan crest]

Lol

[sharp spoke]

Hehe

[balmy storm]

Wow that’s

[sharp spoke]

He looks more like a villain than with his big key suit

[balmy storm]

That makes me scared for my life

[undone forge]

Oh my gosh

[balmy storm]

He does

[sharp spoke]

Everyone knows bald guys with mustaches are evil

[cyan crest]

Apparently tattoed mustaches*

[sharp spoke]

Even more so

[balmy storm]

I kinda hope a Nef Anyo boss fight is
Stage 1: you fight his proxies
Stage 2: you fight him in his large suit
Stage 3: a struggle between you and skinny bald nef

[sharp spoke]

You've gotta chase him through various laboratory rooms while he hides behind blast shields and sends robots at ya

[balmy storm]

yes

[sharp spoke]

Like uhhh, another game with a boss fight that's like that. I forget

[zenith jacinth]

Stage 4: the skinny body nef disappears because he was a hologram and gigachad nef walks in through the wall behind you. The real fight begins.

[sharp spoke]

WOH

[balmy storm]

Okay that would actually be one of the best moment in the game

[zenith jacinth]

Nef walking through a solid wall? Definitely

[balmy storm]

Like skinny nef doesn’t seem like a problem, he struggles against your Warframe’s might and as you stab him the hologram disappears, you look around in confusion and hear footsteps. You turn, Beefed up Nef is here

[zenith jacinth]

He doesn't need that

[balmy storm]

I dont want this, I just want him to be super buff and somehow go toe to toe with a Warframe

[sharp spoke]

You right

[balmy storm]

I want this to not make any sense at ALL

[zenith jacinth]

Make him fight like andre from dark souls 1, just swinging and dropkicking your warframe

[sharp spoke]

Suplex the Warframe

[balmy storm]

^

We don’t want a suplex warframe, we want our warframe to be suplexed by chad anyo

[sharp spoke]

Indeed

[balmy storm]

wait maybe this is how you get suplex frame parts

[sharp spoke]

Lmao

[balmy storm]

I also do not want this to be exclusively tied to a quest, I wanna just revisit this fight whenever like Jackal or Ropa

[sharp spoke]

You don't actually kill him, he just gets enraged and super jumps through the ceiling to escape

[zenith jacinth]

Tbh all I care about is the walking through a solid metal wall with no issue

[balmy storm]

He does the exact super jump anim too

[sharp spoke]

The fwoosh noise too, you know the one

[kind panther]

Kill 99 SOP and nef is the 100th

[balmy storm]

I love the idea of chad anyo not even using a weapon, he just uses his hands

And still is a tough fight for a Warframe

[sharp spoke]

He's just that stronk

[balmy storm]

And if you need a lore reason: He’s Chad Anyo

[sharp spoke]

[balmy storm]

[zenith jacinth]

If he hits you it makes a very audible sound of a fist hitting metal

[balmy storm]

Chad Anyo is made of profit

He becomes the best credit farm and the best boss fight in the game

[sharp spoke]

He destroys the environment when he misses (as if he would miss, it's all calculated). Throws chunks of machinery and stuff at you

[balmy storm]

lmao

The machinery does less damage then his fist

[sharp spoke]

Of course!

It's his warmup

[kind panther]

Wanna fight nef like raiden and armstrong

[balmy storm]

I’d love a side gamemode like frame fighter that’s just an arm wrestling contest with Chad Anyo

[sharp spoke]

YES

[balmy storm]

You can’t win though

[sharp spoke]

Nope. Literally impossible

[zenith jacinth]

Another ludoplex game

[balmy storm]

Please

[zenith jacinth]

We deserve a new one

[balmy storm]

We do

[sharp spoke]

Nef deserves one

[balmy storm]

I like the idea that some streamer manages to be the only one to beat chad anyo in arm wrestling so we know it’s possible but nobody can do it and nobody knows why

[sharp spoke]

There's a 0.0006% chance that Nef will let you win

[balmy storm]

Why 6

[sharp spoke]

Because... uh... that's how many times uh....
Shut up

[balmy storm]

Lol

[zenith jacinth]

0.000042%

[sharp spoke]

That's more like it

[lost tapir]

Did we ever get a reason why gyre is unlocked in the zariman mission ending?

[final pebble]

the same reason baruuk is unlocked via the solaris u storyline: there isn't one

[lost tapir]

Baruuk was added slightly later

[deft void]

I have a feeling when we do get to fight the Archons as our frames as the weekly bosses, it will be a typical (Bring OP weapons and fill it with enough lead to act a Radiation suit.) type of boss.

[lost tapir]

So most warframe bosses and well. We fought the archons before

[deft void]

True, we kind of one shotted it.

At least with Khal it will be a challange.

[lost tapir]

Yeah, but Kahl will likely have his own bosses

[deft void]

I hope it's like Jackal but not Jackal cause Jackal is oof... but you get my point.

[lost tapir]

The thumper?

[deft void]

(And by oof I mean annoying... Sortie and SP Jackal)

Yea, the Venus boss, mechanics type fight, instead of like I said, fill it with enough lead to withstand the surface of the sun.

[lost tapir]

Well, you still will be probably filling it with lots of lead considering grakatas-

[deft void]

I want to be able to fight an archon with that operator bow again.

[lost tapir]

The nataruk?

The bow that gets moved to the frame

[deft void]

Operator/Drifter controlled Nataruk. I know it does but... that was the most unique fight I've had in a long time.

[lost tapir]

Ye, I would love the move set of the drifter back as well. Maybe with the Sirocco pistol amp.

And that thing should take secondary mods as well as arcane amps

[zenith jacinth]

Only drifter used not-a-rock

[deft void]

She has shields now, she's just a very squishy frame.

And seriously I can't put into WORDS how squishy she is. She makes Yureli look tanky.

[lost tapir]

I mean, drifter could also heal themself and used smokescreen to stay alive by being invisible, and well. Now better agility than frames

[frosty elk]

Yureli

[deft void]

I'll give Drifter that, At first I HATED that new dash she has but it has it's uses now.

[lost tapir]

Yeah, I got used to it after a bit

[deft void]

I mostly use it as a "Health low" button.

[lost tapir]

Yeah, as a healing tool or mobility for me

[deft void]

Pop out, drop pizza, pop back in frame and heal.

At first I hated having B as the frame pop but jeez does that have uses now.

[cyan crest]

Well, there was a dancer in the Zariman called Gyra, who was similar to how Gyre is now
So there's thematic reasons

[lost tapir]

Ah, that makes sense

Also I recently spent money on the large zariman pack with gyre and a bunch of other things,

And i like all that i got

[deft void]

Saving up money for the next prime, whoever that is.

[lost tapir]

My extra 500 plat purchases from the pact was

Mesa deluxe bundle

Epitaph

And 3 Orokin catalysts

[deft void]

3 potatos?

[lost tapir]

Yeah, blue potatoes

I was considering the nidus deluxe skin by itself to have a not as disgusting nidus that has a similar vibe to the drifter

[zenith jacinth]

I suggest using neutral pronouns when talking about drifter to prevent confusion since not everyone has a female one

[deft void]

Isn't that how they are in lore? At least Operator is that way

[lost tapir]

Oh yeah I made drifter fashion

I'll show after I level up my gyre and epitaph

[oak gull]

Can we get so much higher

[zenith jacinth]

There is no set gender for either one

[balmy storm]

I kinda hope Duviri brings a warframe with it, though I kinda doubt it

[jagged crane]

It’s meant to be whatever the player wants it to be. The default is male, that’s the closest you get to “canon” and even that doesn’t count

[lost tapir]

It probably will bring a frame

That or more drifter things

[balmy storm]

I’ve always seen it as it’s meant to sorta be you, since it uses your ig name to refer to your own operator

[jagged crane]

I think it’s going to overhaul the drifter instead, we’ve already kinda seen more customization options at least

[balmy storm]

I’d take more Drifter things, but with Styanax we will have only gotten 2 frames so far this year

[lost tapir]

That concept of the werewolf frame might be the one for duviri

[balmy storm]

Seems too soon

[jagged crane]

Do we normally get more? This is my first year of the game

[balmy storm]

We’ve gotten at least 3 in the past iirc, I’d have to check

More than 2 ik that for sure

[lost tapir]

I mean, we got Garuda and baruuk the same year just a month apart in the same year of 2018

[jagged crane]

Huh. I doubt they’d do one so close after styanax just so they can keep the hype for number 50 up and not immediately go to 51 but idk, maybe it’ll be more

[lost tapir]

They might, maybe because duviri?

[jagged crane]

Heck, maybe it’ll be that when we go to the place we saw in the tennocon demo with Mag Volt and Excal, maybe it’ll be 3 totally new frames that you pick from and are exclusive to Duviri

[balmy storm]

They’ve done some a month apart, it would be fine to do

I could see it taking away from Styanax but he’s FREE

For 2 weeks
But still!

[lost tapir]

Yeah, recent example being again, Garuda and Baruuk

[balmy storm]

Iirc they did say werewolf was after Styanax, but I’m not sure she’d be done in time
Depends really

[balmy storm]

Weren’t Hildryn and Wisp a month apart too?

[lost tapir]

Maybe?

Just Garuda and Baruuk are a good example since they're polar opposites

[jagged crane]

👀 whos werewolf

[balmy storm]

Idk why its a good example they’re polar opposites but ok

[balmy storm]

They announced they are working on a Werewolf warframe, she looks visually amazing!

I think they said she’s gonna have an energy tail, but they said that not wanting to do fur and now Protea deluxe is getting fur
So
Idk

[lost tapir]

By those two being polar opposites, it's like two different play styles

[jagged crane]

Oh wow that’s awesome

[balmy storm]

Idk if their playstyle has to do with when they were released, maybe dev time

[balmy storm]

It is! I can’t wait for her, but she’s probably coming in 2023 if not Duviri

[frosty elk]

will she be thiccer than wisp tho

[balmy storm]

Gyre was in April bruh

[lost tapir]

Probably playstyle as they were released a month apart, probably two teams worked along side each other on the frames

[jagged crane]

dude look at the picture 👀

[balmy storm]

Doesn’t matter, I just hope she’s fun to play and to fashion

Caliban was December

[frosty elk]

passed the test good job

[balmy storm]

Frames a month apart
Protea and Xaku
Gauss and Grendel (iirc was meant to be together originally)
Hildryn and Wisp
And Garuda and Baruuk were back to back month-wise

All the others have a month in between their release

Protea and Xaku being the most recent

[zenith jacinth]

The default is female due to the first face being female

[jagged crane]

Is it? When I first unlocked the operator in Second dream it defaulted to male faces

[sharp spoke]

Huh, mine definitely defaulted to female

[balmy storm]

Maybe it’s a 50/50 coinflip

[zenith jacinth]

Should always be female because it defaults to face 1

For obvious reasons

[balmy storm]

Oh, nvm

[jagged crane]

Mine was 13 and I believe 26

[balmy storm]

That sounds like what you changed it to

[jagged crane]

Nah, that was legit what I had upon getting my operator in second dream
I only did the quest like 3 weeks ago, I still remember it

It also defaulted to the Heron voice

[balmy storm]

Oh, interesting

Maybe they changed it?

[graceful zodiac]

Protea is feathers, not fur. But they could easily have the frame ready by November

[balmy storm]

It’s similar visually

And they could actually

Maybe werewolf will come before Duviri, though I’d hope they focus more on Duviri to make sure it comes out in December

[jagged crane]

I honestly don’t think having her be furry would match the skulls that well
Also they’d have to put up with hearing stuff about how it’s “the furry frame” forever

[balmy storm]

I think they talked about a furry tail and how they’re doing energy instead

[jagged crane]

It’s be cool if it was energy and linked to an ability, like maybe her ultimate is something similar to Valkyr’s claws and so she gets the kinda energy wolf outline around her and the energy tail is part of it

[balmy storm]

I bet she’s gonna have an anim where she wags her tail

Cause why not
Dog frame

[jagged crane]

Oh please no

[balmy storm]

Lol

[fierce ledge]

Rise my freinds. I need some help

[jagged crane]

?

[kind panther]

He gonna ask questions about TNW and AOTZ i assume

[jagged crane]

Yeah something along those lines

[fierce ledge]

Ahh ballas. Went in for the kiss and died.

I would have as well

[scarlet basalt]

Imagine if in his eyes it was a "tragic love story"
But in our eyes it was just a manchild

[balmy storm]

I hope they add an alternative to going to see Kahl if you don’t run the Drifter Camp orbiter, for performance reasons some can’t use it

[autumn turret]

i think it is also available in navigation, someone said that but i didnt see it

but you may need to go to it for the shop/starting the quest

[balmy storm]

I hope you don’t for customization and at the least

Just slap him in the Arsenal

[autumn turret]

id be surprised if you cant run camp but can do other things

[brave osprey]

Duviri is basically a Void Brazil where Drifter could not escape without our help

[north trail]

It's funny how ordis has known what frames are for years, yet he still makes that suit pun

[balmy badger]

Ha. Ha.

[scarlet basalt]

It haunt me days and night

[north trail]

Operator

Your chosen warframe...

SUITS you

[kind panther]

HA HA HA

[north trail]

Can we get sacrifice ordis back

[kind panther]

I wanna be able to use the thingy again

The thing ordis told us to immediately destroy i forgot the name

[north trail]

Uhhhh

Vitruvian

[kind panther]

Ye that

[north trail]

Actually scrap that

Can we get ordan

[kind panther]

Who

[north trail]

Ordan karris

The guy ordis used to be

[zenith jacinth]

Vitruvian ordis is technically tnw ordis

[kind panther]

Ah

[kind panther]

Bone something innit?

[zenith jacinth]

[north trail]

Wait what

[zenith jacinth]

Mercenary

[zenith jacinth]

The sentinel body of ordis from tnw is inside vitruvian ordis

[north trail]

Wdym inside

[zenith jacinth]

It's inside the cube

[north trail]

Actually can we get ordis but he randomly quotes cy

[lusty geyser]

Bean soup

[zenith jacinth]

My favorite quote from cephalon cy

[candid linden]

they all die at the end

[cyan crest]

what

[hollow shuttle]

which should i pick?

[kind panther]

Zenith

[cyan crest]

As long as it's not azima

[real niche]

No, Zenith is the only right option for the first pick

[swift pond]

"can you balance these opposing forces?"
Don't push your weapon balance problems on us, Teshin.

[balmy badger]

Man's dead so... Says something about his judgement of weapon balance

[zenith jacinth]

*As long as it's not zenistar

[unborn tiger]

Not knowing better, I picked Zenistar XD

[cyan crest]

Zenistar has a cool bug, azima is just bad

[zenith jacinth]

Oof

Enjoy a pretty terrible melee

[zenith jacinth]

A bug which requires a weapon skin from a deluxe pack

[cyan crest]

still more than azima

[zenith jacinth]

I'm not gonna pay like 600 plat to go "haha funi big sword" once

[cyan crest]

still
more
than azima

[balmy storm]

^

I’d also call the “bug” a feature since they’ve kept it in purposefully @cyan crest

[wicked iron]

It was a bug, but they kept it as a feature per player request.

[balmy storm]

^
Even though they didn’t really want to, or at least some staff didn’t want it in

[supple dagger]

Hi

[hexed cipher]

Is it just me that prefered fortuna under Control of ballad

[orchid remnant]

I like the color scheme but I don’t actually like it when it’s under his control

[jagged crane]

Color wise I still like the neon themes of Fortuna more, and I kinda wish I could go back to that theme instead of being stuck with the narmer themes

[zenith jacinth]

I want cold fortuna back

The warm colors aren't nice

[hexed cipher]

The people in fortuna just really pissed me off probally beacuse in 2018 or 2019 i had 10iq

But they just were so damn boring

Wow we are tax evaders help us tenno, we dont actully matter we just exist too make you suffer

[cyan crest]

what

[velvet wing]

I miss snowy vallis 😭

[orchid remnant]

Wouldn’t you try to evade taxes as well if said taxes involved stealing your body parts

[dense crown]

This is a weird take... They're not "tax evaders", they were literally tricked into predatory "loans" that involved repo of body parts as collateral... and of course they couldn't pay.

The whole POINT was to get debt slaves so the Corpus could get free labor and make bigger grofit.

How ya gonna blame Solaris United for Nef being evil? O_o

[graceful zodiac]

That's...very much an off take

[balmy storm]

Nef stan moment

[chrome jolt]

And here I am thinking Solaris are one of the coolest factions in the game.

[lone axle]

not to mention their organs and parts that have been replaced by robotics could very well be used in some rich corpus's transplant should that need one

"oh hey this man just gave us his body as payment so he could work in the cold better and make more credits for us, how convenient for this rich guy who just paid anyo corp to get their kidneys replaced"

its essentially a body farm for the corpus which is great for them, horrible for the solaris

[zenith jacinth]

They are

[rotund meteor]

I hav only 1 incarnon weapon... do I do it with just the pistol den?

[kind panther]

Cant

[frail nymph]

You need at least three different incarnon weapons to unlock this.
Also this is #gameplay-discussion stuff, just so you know

[rotund meteor]

is spoilery for pre new war ya kno :V

[zenith jacinth]

Not really

[cyan crest]

People who haven't played Angesl won't know what they are, they'll just assume it's a cool weapon type that evolves

They'd be right too, it doesn't spoil anything about the lore

[kind panther]

Do you mean post-new war?

[frail nymph]

This channel only really needs to be used for post- AoZ content

Basically you don't have to wait for a reply here unless you're talking about Duviri/Veilbreaker. You can ask in other chats

[cyan crest]

and talking about the mechanics of incarnon weapons doesn't seem spoilerish anyway

[kind panther]

@stark wyvern what’s happened to lotus?

[stark wyvern]

yes

[kind panther]

What part of the story are you at?

[stark wyvern]

the part where they say I need a rails jack and a necramech to continur

[kind panther]

New war

[stark wyvern]

yes

[kind panther]

Railjack can be acquired via rising tide quest

[stark wyvern]

yes and I need clan for that

[kind panther]

Gotta by the cephalon bp from the market

[stark wyvern]

I crafted the cephalon

[kind panther]

I didn’t there should be a couple relays with a dry dock

Unless the ones with a dry dock are destroyed for PC

[stark wyvern]

why are some relays are destroyed

[kind panther]

Events

[stark wyvern]

will they ever come back

[kind panther]

Theres rebuilding them events that can happen

[zenith jacinth]

Rarely

But ye, just select the quest, it should mark a relay with a dry dock

[kind panther]

Orcus and the one of europa have one although they’re probably destroyed on PC

[zenith jacinth]

Europa and venus relays have one

Oh ye, orcus too

[kind panther]

I go there to finish a RJ mission my dojo drops my frames🗿

[kind panther]

No i know what happened python was asking what happened to her

🗿

[frail nymph]

There were a couple of events you missed, so here's a summary:

Lotus is someone who copied the role of Margulis back near the end of the Old War. Margulis is the one who rescued the Tenno and was our mother figure but also she was Ballas' lover.

Ballas killed Margulis because she said bad words in front of Orokin, that was just the law. Then Ballas got angry and told all the secrets about Tenno to Sentients. Then Ballas and Sentients planned to turn Natah into fake Margulis and kill them from inside.

Somehow instead of fake evil Margulis, she turned into Lotus, and she took up the vacancy of "space mom."

Now, Ballas took back lotus and she kinda turned back into Natah, but as seen in the Prologue cutscenes, something is wrong. In the Orphix Venom event, Lotus is shown to be still alive inside Natah. Lotus sends us a secret message which when solved says "I am dying.

[unique jetty]

How did ballas became narmer king?
He was on a leash, crawling before erra and kidnapped lotus, and next quest - boom, he's a king now

[obtuse gyro]

He was faking being a slave

[unique jetty]

Being ripped almost in half with his transformation into sentient didn't look like acting

[frail nymph]

Because that's not part of his acting

He was stabbed in the Sacrifice. He would've died without the transformation

The leash is the acting, acting done in front of Natah.

So right after Erra gave up on convincing Natah and just threw her into the furnace, Erra dropped the act (and the leash) and Ballas stood with him as equals.

[unique jetty]

Guess I missed that

[maiden knoll]

Okay so with new war should I do the snake or the owl, I've already beat the wolf but when I face those two I keep dying over and over

[kind panther]

Owl isnt too hard

[maiden knoll]

I'm used to using melee so using the bow is rough for me

[kind panther]

Only annoying thing is at points it’ll howl and move you back you gotta get into the bubble it emits and shoot it otherwise it heals during said howl

Little like the Zealoid prelate

[obtuse walrus]

I heard people had more problems with Boreal than the other two

They're all pretty easy though

[maiden knoll]

Boreal? Sorry I forgot the names of them

[obtuse walrus]

Owl

[maiden knoll]

Ohh okay. The wolf was only rough when it did it's weird multiple thing

[obtuse walrus]

I'd recommend Nira

Just avoid her pretification thing and you should be fine

[maiden knoll]

Oh okay. Thank you, I was also advised to abuse the roll button

[kind panther]

Yea do rolling gives 75% DR iirc so it helps

[maiden knoll]

I'll try to beat them when I get home. Any idea roughly how long it takes to finish new war after beating them?

[kind panther]

And don’t forget to use the heal it also cleanses you of all statuses when you use it so i’d say try and save it for when you get a status

[obtuse walrus]

Probably 1 or 2 hours left

[maiden knoll]

Phew, I was at it for 4 hours yesterday

[icy minnow]

Don't know if this question counts as a spoiler. But .... which main weapon is considered the highest Alpha hitter ?.

I'm guessing a properly setup bow is still very much valid to oneshot enemies ?

Like.. Paris Prime for instakilling corpus ?

I'm going for a farm on the bosses in Profit taker 2 mission, and the 2 robots in the end are pretty damn tanky.

[regal zephyr]

do you have a frame that removes defenses like Caliban?

you also can strip armor off enemies with shattering impact and a gunblade like vastilok or sarpa, I think stropha works too

[icy minnow]

Mag prime should work

And i do have Vastilok

i didn't think about the armor strip. I run a phantasma setup for high % radiation, melts face.

[obtuse walrus]

Idk what Alpha hitter is, but Laetum comes to mind

[icy minnow]

@obtuse walrus it's the initial hit on a target. A strong alpha hitter is also a 1shotter, pretty much.

[obtuse walrus]

Kuva Chakkur then

[river anchor]

Anyone else think the corpus enemy we fight in the Zariman is just regular Corpus, and Cavalero is too old to realize Parvos isn't in charge anymore?

[kind panther]

Or due to cav being a part of the original zariman crew (i think) he wouldn’t know they swapped at all

[final pebble]

pretty sure the corpus weren't around yet when the zariman went into the void.

[river anchor]

They were, Parvos had influence on the Seven.

Deadlock protocol mentions that Parvos would frequent deals with the Orokin themselves

[cyan crest]

Cavalero has a dialogue about Granum offering him a job so the Corpus were around by that time

[kind panther]

Oh hello fog

[cyan crest]

[graceful zodiac]

Only for Protea. They did not like him otherwise

[lucid wave]

So, is there an official release date yet for VeilBreaker?

[thick jolt]

Nope

[red hedge]

SOON-TM

[balmy storm]

September

[lucid wave]

Pfft

I want specifics

[velvet remnant]

September 2022 >.>

[zenith jacinth]

September

Those are the specifics

[balmy storm]

That’s all we got, sorry

[north trail]

It's somewhere between tomorrow and September 31st

[velvet remnant]

If all goes well

[balmy storm]

This

[maiden knoll]

I finally beat the stupid owl :D

[kind panther]

[balmy storm]

Woo!

[idle garnet]

did i just got spoiler for future updates?

[supple dagger]

Nah you can customize her after ||you get her back at the end of the new war||

[kind panther]

This is spoiler chat no need to spoiler stuff lol🗿

[idle garnet]

i mean she is a kuva queen

or doing something on kuva ship

[kind panther]

No i think its just a visual glitch

[cyan crest]

No, you got a visual bug

[maiden knoll]

i think my new war bugged. i died right as i broke the last generator and now i'm stuck

[balmy storm]

Stuck how?

If you can’t get unstuck restart your game

[maiden knoll]

stuck XD

wait will i have to go through the whole quest again

[kind panther]

No

[maiden knoll]

phew

i spent too long getting there XD

i have to redo the whole follow erra part =-=

[balmy storm]

Better than redoing the whole quest

[bright robin]

Yo

[kind panther]

Hwats the problem?

[bright robin]

It keeps making me examine lotus' helment

Even after i did it

It says examine lotus helmet

[kind panther]

Have you tried a relog?

[bright robin]

Brw

Btw

[kind panther]

[bright robin]

Wisps 4 is meant to be bad right?

[kind panther]

Its not bad but its not good either

Its mediocre that’s easily outclassed by other abilities

[balmy storm]

I don’t think any ability is meant to be bad

[bright robin]

It does some damage

But its like never useful

[balmy storm]

It can do some pretty alright damage, but yeah it’s usually not too useful

[bright robin]

Her 3 is better imo

[balmy storm]

Breach surge does a better job at wiping enemies away in my experience

[kind panther]

Breach surge? That’s definitely better anyways

[bright robin]

Going through the cinematic rn

To see if its fixed

Oh its fixed ty man

[kind panther]

Relog fixes most things

[maiden knoll]

I finally beat it

[balmy storm]

Congrats!

[maiden knoll]

I'm glad I saved the snake for last. Shredded her health with cedo X

[amber terrace]

Obviously when compared to other weapons, Afentis is looking rather meek. That being said, given Styanax’s passive boosting weapons’ crit chances, spearguns doubly so, would it be an ok at best idea to put hunter munitions on Afentis?

I got the stats from the Devstream when they were showing Styanax’s stuff off in the arsenal

[wild copper]

it's got plenty of crit, so sure

pretty sure HM stops being useful at ~15% base cc

[real niche]

26 crit chance is more than enough

[amber terrace]

So an ideal situation for the Afentis is to build for crit + hm along with viral given the base status on the weapon and do slash proc memes?

[wild copper]

probably

[amber terrace]

Another possible use would be to use the Afentis as like a discount Wisp mote given the buff it gives to allies who stand around the area of effect around wherever the spear lands when you throw it?

[jagged crane]

So I'm replaying New War and this pops up right?
If this was equipped on my drifter I wouldn't think anything of it except another weird epherma bug since they're running around here too and all, but the thing is... its not... it's only equipped on my warframe... so for some reason the game tried to load my warframe into the Zariman in a section that it doesn't show up in at all??? I don't even understand how this happens lol

[zenith jacinth]

What am I supposed to look for

Oh, is it the 3 tiny red dots?

[balmy storm]

Orbit ephemera I’m guessing

[jagged crane]

Yeah it’s the trio orbit ephemera

[cunning copper]

Oh good he is getting a speargun

I hadn't kept up on Styanax news and was thinking "if he doesn't get a speargun, i will riot"

[balmy storm]

I was hoping he would get a special speargun shield combo, at least for his exalted but this is good too

[jagged crane]

Ayo guys so you know how in Duviri there’s a lot of emphasis put on the mask worn by Dominus Thrax
And in New War Lotus tells Ballas “you are a mask with nothing behind it”
Connection maybe? 👀

Kinda joking kinda serious cuz I don’t know if that’s the kinda thing that’d just kinda coincidentally happen but I’m also not rly able to think of a way Ballas and Thrax could be the same

[balmy storm]

More likely a coincidence, it’s very unlikely Ballas knew about Duviri let alone Dominus Thrax

[jagged crane]

I do have to wonder tho, because it seems to me like the portal that Lotus and Operator went through was into Duviri - since her hand lands at the feet of drifter as we saw at tennocon. So if they went to Duviri, and Ballas didn’t know anything about it, how did he know she came back? Because as Hunhow said, he had his forces searching for her remains.

[cunning copper]

I don't think he did know

I think he just wanted the remains to use the archon crystals so he could resurrect her and once again attempt to enslave her as his replacement for the lover he executed

[graceful zodiac]

He definitely knew she was still alive. Not the how, just that she was

[jagged crane]

I wish Duviri would come faster tbh, I’m too hooked on the story and there’s too many loose ends atm

[cunning copper]

Even if he couldn't tell she was back, the other mimics likely could

She was their queen afterall

And he would likely still need her to use Praghasa

[graceful zodiac]

They only needed her to get her started. Once they were done with her, they just get rid of the remains, a la portal

[cunning copper]

Ballas' ego wouldn't allow that

He'd insist on trying to enslave her again and again until it works

[balmy storm]

He literally threw her into the portal but okay

[cunning copper]

Because she chose us, again

Then he still tries to enslave her once more during the fight by the Sun, and she chooses us yet again

Ballas can't let go of his narcissistic need to make her into a subservient replacement for the lover he executed for choosing us over him

[balmy storm]

She didn’t choose us in that moment at all, she was already drifting towards the portal, Ballas wasn’t rushing to her, he was letting her go in

He doesn’t try to help her as we are holding her, he walks over and chops her arm off
If he wanted her alive he would have saved her in that moment

[cunning copper]

Wouldn't be the first time he impulsively killed someone then changed his mind after the fact

[balmy storm]

What other times?

[obtuse gyro]

Margulis

[cunning copper]

Who he programmed Natah to look and act like

So well in fact she chose us over him for the same reason Margulis did

Twice

[balmy storm]

Was that him impulsively killing? Didn’t the 7 condemn her to the jade light?

[cunning copper]

He's part of the 7

[obtuse gyro]

He could have done something, as per margulis's request but the doodoo head refused

and then he voted along with the rest of 7 to kill her

[balmy storm]

True, but that may have been more for political reasons, stay in good with the 7 while you plot their downfall

[cunning copper]

He plotted their downfall for killing Margulis

[balmy storm]

I wouldn’t call that impulsive either way, did he regret his decision? Probably, would it have changed anything if he voted against them? Idk

[orchid remnant]

yeah love for faith or whatever

[cunning copper]

Yes actually it would

[orchid remnant]

i think it possible that the orokin could have found some charges to kill margulis anyways, but ballas was still a bit weird for that

[cunning copper]

The jade light can only be used under a unanimous vote

His voting no would have spared her

[balmy storm]

Beyond staying in good with the 7 for whatever reason I can’t imagine why he’d do that

[obtuse gyro]

would it have been politically iffy? yes. would ballas have been able to come up with some alternative "punishment" probably could

[cunning copper]

He chose to kill her, then betrayed the empire for executing her

The execution he enabled and voted for

[balmy storm]

Wow he is somehow really smart and really stupid

[obtuse gyro]

If I was ballas I would have "condemned" her to some "fate worse than death"

but really its just putting her away somewhere safe

[orchid remnant]

he did talk about his choice a little in the sacrifice

[balmy storm]

I mean if her options were torture and then punishment or the jade light which would be incredibly swift then the jade light would be the mercy

[obtuse gyro]

if I were ballas its not torture then punishment, its "torture" and "punishment"

[cunning copper]

Wasn't the jade light said to be really incredibly painful though?

[balmy storm]

There’s no guarantee he could have gotten her out though

[cunning copper]

I mean, it literally rips apart their soul

[obtuse gyro]

dude managed to swindle the 7 into going against the 7 principles to make the sentients, mans a good conman

[balmy storm]

All we know about it is it disintegrates iirc
Also fast

Either way fast and painful is better than slow and painful

[cunning copper]

Execution method of choice for other Orokin, so it has to be special

It could keep them dead

[balmy storm]

They were killing Margulis because of her research on transference, right?

[cunning copper]

No

They were executing her for trying to help the zariman children

[balmy storm]

And why was that problematic?

[cunning copper]

Specifically trying to help them learn to control their void powers

The seven deemed it heresy

Until the tenno proved useful for the warframe project, Ballas wanted the tenno disposed of as defective trash

Margulis chose helping us over spending time with him

[balmy storm]

So Margulis died for nothing cause they used the Tenno anyway

[balmy storm]

Wait is this why he let her die, was he salty

[cunning copper]

Ballas decided that was unacceptable because we had hurt her

[balmy storm]

Tbh that would make sense as stupid as it is

[cunning copper]

So he wanted her to abandon us

[obtuse gyro]

it would innit

[cunning copper]

Hence the trial

[obtuse gyro]

thats why we're comfortable calling it impulse

[balmy storm]

Yeah that’s pretty impulsive

[cunning copper]

She doubled down on choosing us, so he let her be executed

[obtuse gyro]

mans did like 0 future planning regarding most of the steps

[cunning copper]

Then he betrayed the empire and everything he once stood for to get revenge...for the execution he voted to let happen

[balmy storm]

The psychology of Ballas is wild
The closest person in his life he kills twice for petty frankly reasons, alongside manipulating one so much they have multiple personalities

I can’t tell if Ballas is a really good villain or just stupid
Or both!

[cunning copper]

Technically he tries to kill her a third

Kills Margulis, kills Natah, tries to kill Lotus when he chose us over him (for the 2nd time, because he programmed her that well to act like Margulis)

[balmy storm]

I hope we get more info on the members of the 7, so far they’ve all been just the worst people

[cunning copper]

Ballas failed his task successfully

[balmy storm]

I don’t expect any or them to not be awful but I want to know how they’re all awful

[cunning copper]

We know three of them are absolutely terrible

[balmy storm]

The other children? No.

Tuvul let the Zariman people die
Ballas just manipulated everyone and was generally just awful all around
Who else?

[thick jolt]

holdfasts are part of the ships crew

[balmy storm]

^

[cunning copper]

Ballas (obviously), Nihil aka our fancy talking paperweight, and Torvul

[balmy storm]

Was Nihil part of the 7?

[cunning copper]

Yes

[balmy storm]

Dang, 4 left to go

[cunning copper]

He was their executioner, he loved making cephalons out of people by glassing them

[balmy storm]

He was essentially a serial killer, or at least Glassmaker had that vibe

[cunning copper]

Ballas made Gara specifically to spite Nihil

[balmy storm]

Source?

[orchid remnant]

Didn’t all the Orokin laugh at Nihil lol

It was in the same trailer as Gara prime

[balmy storm]

Which trailer?

Nvm I found it

[steady gate]

Nihil wasn’t part of the Seven.

Of named members, we have Ballas, Avantus, Karishh, and Tuvul.

Karishh and Avantus are not likely to show up ever in the story, as they were killed after the empire fell

[graceful zodiac]

Only Ballas and Tuvul were part of the Seven. Avantus and Karishh are just random Executors

And Nihil is part of the Seven, given he was the handler for glassing and is placed with Ballas on warframe decisions from the Gara Prime Trailer

[balmy storm]

Plus Tuvul is probably dead and we see him some, even if they died they could still show up in some way

[lone axle]

cephalon tuvul

[cyan crest]

What
It's only said to turn you into mist and gore

[balmy storm]

@cyan crest do you think the jadelight is relatively painless?

[cyan crest]

It is quick which is more than, say, glassing, wich is eternal

[north trail]

Isn't it considered to be the "good" option

[cyan crest]

It is considered a mercy
Glassing is the horrible punishment

[balmy storm]

Glassing does sound pretty horrible

[frail nymph]

"You face the jade light. Recant, and we will grant a merciful death."

Either the Jade light is not merciful or can be customized

[balmy storm]

Maybe they can focus the light into a thinner form for more pain? And do the opposite to get a wider beam to just go in an instant

[cyan crest]

I mean, Nora calls it a mercy cause it's quick, but I imagine quicker and more painless ways we're available

I imagine the jade light to be like maybe 1 or 2 seconds long but unbearably painful in every inch of your body

we could ask Yonta how it felt like ;)

[balmy storm]

I mean, if it’s a light I’d imagine it’d be instant from our pov

Especially if it just turns you into a mist, I feel like that isn’t 1-2 second long pain, you’re just gone

[cyan crest]

I mean, it's mist and gore
Being liquified doesn't sound specially painless

Ew, imagine being melted for 1 second
Even if it's over quick it must feel horrible

[balmy storm]

I imagine it’s a brief moment of searing hot pain, or something akin to that

[frail nymph]

Nora is also in a post collapse world where I imagine typical deaths have become relatively more brutal than how the lawful punishments used to be that the dialogue considers as "merciful."

[cyan crest]

I guess

It the thing is that it was probably over really quickly

so it must be horrifyingly painful
ew

[frail nymph]

Assuming it's not customizable of course. If it is customizable, it can be the best and the worst

[balmy storm]

I hope Yonta knows where the Jade Light is on the Zariman, I’d imagine she does but y’never know
Maybe it’s lost somewhere aboard the ship

[frail nymph]

The frames that fought the Myrmidon were instakilled so the Jade light at least has the potential to do that

[balmy storm]

would’ve been great to use the jade light against Ballas actually, get revenge for our sorta mom

How many things can instantly kill a Warframe?

[cyan crest]

Yes

[balmy storm]

Wonderful

I sure do hope our enemies don’t find the jade light while trying to take the Zariman

[zenith jacinth]

Considering it was chosen as a punishment for someone that the orokin assumed to be immortal, probably

[balmy storm]

Who did they assume was immortal? Margulis?
Cause she def was not

[zenith jacinth]

Lavos leverian

I was referring to the liquidification thing

[balmy storm]

Was that the jade light or was that Lavos?

[zenith jacinth]

Lavos

[balmy storm]

Between the two of them Lavos’ liquify is probably less painful compared to the brief pain the jade light might bring

[zenith jacinth]

I don't think so

[real niche]

Have your nerves liquified so they dont have a chance to register pain

[balmy storm]

I mean you wouldn’t be conscious and probably wouldn’t have nerves anyway so

Depending on how fast the Jade Light is it could be the same

[zenith jacinth]

It wouldn't be instant iirc

[balmy storm]

Which one

Lavos’ transmutation or the Jade Light

[zenith jacinth]

Transmutation

[balmy storm]

Yeah that isn’t instant, but it would still be fast it sounds like

Even if it isn’t we can’t be sure being liquified like that would even be painful, it’d probably just feel weird
But I’m probably wrong idk

[real niche]

It'd be like how if you get burned or frozen severely enough your nerves get destroyed so you cant feel the pain

[balmy storm]

I just to think it’d feel like a really extreme case of your arm or leg falling asleep
But instead it’s your entire body eventually

[real niche]

The reason you can feel it though is that you have nerves that function.

Your nerves would get destroyed along with everything else

[balmy storm]

You right

[real niche]

You clearly havent optimized for suffering before

[balmy storm]

I have not, better get on that to better understand warframe

[real niche]

If you want pain you want to make sure that the nerves stay intact while everything gets broken apart

[balmy storm]

This feels more concerning than it is educational

[real niche]

I mean nerves are what let you feel things. No nerve no feeling, pretty simple

[balmy storm]

I mean you right

[cunning copper]

You also want maximum pain and minimal injury

Severe injury means they go into shock or pass out from some sort of blood loss or other physical injury, which means they can't feel it as much if at all until they are woken up or brought out of it.

That's just inefficient for maximizing pain and suffering

[real niche]

I remember a set of nerves somewhere around the back of the foot that can be super painful

[cunning copper]

There's also a couple fun locations near the shoulderblades, push against them just right and you can trigger someones gag reflex from the pain

Or at least that's what they do on me

There's a lot of pressure points on the human body that do very interesting things depending on how you interact with them

[balmy badger]

I've been stung by a wasp once around that area... Can confirm.

[torpid lantern]

What an educational conversation

[real niche]

I learned the back of the foot thing from some random movie I watched

[cunning copper]

You mean the top of the foot or around the Achilles tendon?

[real niche]

Achilles tendon

[balmy badger]

The one time he doesn't show up in a jump-scare spot.

[scarlet basalt]

I really wonder how the drifter got out the duviri paradox.
Like, with the gameplay trailer,it seems really impossible to flee 🤔

[zenith jacinth]

We'll probably find out during the quest

[jagged sable]

maybe Operator help

[scarlet basalt]

I hope,since it's an open world, quest are fast (30 minute max i think) so maybe duviri paradox will have parts to explain how he got out ?

[frail nymph]

Remember all the people constantly crying/complaining that Drifter caring at all whether Lotus loves is a plot hole?

I predict the answer to the question of getting out will be "Lotus, " and they will still somehow manage to complain the same way about that aspect of New War.

[scarlet basalt]

That sound pretty interesting tbh

[hexed ember]

the drifter knows lotus is important to the operator.. how do people consider that a plot hole

[jagged crane]

Yeah it definitely seems like the portal lotus and the operator go into at the beginning of new war is a portal to Duviri, since the Lotus’ hand lands at drifter’s feet. So they’re more than likely both going to be involved in getting them out, unless they make it so our operator really did die and got replaced or some other really funky stuff

[jagged crane]

Except he doesn’t… because he doesn’t know either the lotus or the operator if he just came straight from Duviri without meeting either of them

I’m saying “he” cuz trailer drifter and my drifter is male but obviously they’re not just “he”

[graceful zodiac]

Except he does know they exist. Drfiter has a full knowledge of the system by the time we meet him

[jagged crane]

Yes but we don’t know how

That’s what we’re saying is we don’t know how

That’s the plot hole

[graceful zodiac]

It's really not. Something not yet shown does not make a plot hole

[jagged crane]

…

Yes it does???

It’s a current plot hole. Just because it’s not a permanent plot hole - which we don’t even know for sure if they do explain it in Duviri - doesn’t mean it isn’t a plot hole at all

[wicked iron]

Steve said that the Veils aren't Eternalism-aware, as the explanation for the Veil showing all of that to the Drifter.

[sinful vessel]

I mean, I assume there's some 'Newtype Magic' style stuff going on between the operator and the drifter due to the singularity point of the deal.

[jagged sable]

ooo I get it. All those words the veil was speaking to the Drifter through the Lotus might've worked on the Operator, but not the Drifter.

[obtuse gyro]

atsiaz is right, just because its not shown yet doesnt make it a plot hole. Youre confusing there being an intentional gap between what we know and what is later going to be revealed with a gap that forces the warframe universe to stop following its internal logic

[jagged crane]

🤷‍♂️

[frail nymph]

That's not what a plot hole is at all. By that logic, not giving spoilers for the whole series in the first episode is a plot hole so it must be bad, just because you don't know what will happen.

There is no such thing as a temporary or permanent plot hole

A plot hole is a contradiction that exists in complete information. Ambiguity or lack of information are completely unrelated entirely.

[frail nymph]

And this is essentially just a lie, even judging based on information we already knew by the end of the New War quest. It was stated that Drifter is the one who rescued Lotus from the Void. It was always clear that he brought her with him, and nobody else had the capacity to do that.

[zenith jacinth]

Looks at ember prime codex

[cyan crest]

Hey that one does have one plothole

It's not the military ship one but it's a plothole

[zenith jacinth]

That's my point

[cyan crest]

Hmm?

[supple dagger]

Wait how does it have a plot hole?

[cyan crest]

So, if you chose Margulis as the face of Natargulotus, she says she saw the chaos with her own eyes and brought many of the tenno out of that hell

But in the codex they say the ship was full environmental, in pristine condition, as if it had never left, all the crew misteriously banished

There is dissonance between the two statements

[graceful zodiac]

It's not inherently a plot hole, given there could be a stretch of time between Kaleen finding them and Margulis grabbing them.

[thick jolt]

Could also be different sections of a supposedly massive ship

[supple dagger]

I don’t think l fully understand what you just said—since my brain isn’t that big but I’ll take AtsiaZs word for it

[cyan crest]

OK that one cannot be because the codex talks about the whole ship

But Atsia could be right

However, the ship in Angels and the New war is completely wrecked even before the grineer arrive, and that doesn't sound pristine like it never left

mmm

[supple dagger]

OHHHH nvm I get it

[thick jolt]

This is all speculation but
What if kalleen saw one part of the ship before being called off
And then margulis comes to take the kids and sees a more torn section of the ship

[cyan crest]

Again, that cannot be
We're not talking about just kaleen, we're talking about a whole investigation team as Kaleen talks in plural there, and she specifically talks about the whole ship

She says they thought the ship was completely empty until they found the children and you just don't say that unless you've completely searched it

[thick jolt]

Not really its a big ship they could have been midway through the more intact sections when they found the kids
Its a large ship i still feel its plausible to have sections more intact than others

[cyan crest]

They say the ship was in pristine condition as if it never left, that's not compatible with whole ruined decks

[graceful zodiac]

New War can't be taken seriously too much since the ship had been drifting in the Void for centuries by that point

[cyan crest]

I think it was more than just disrepair from time
Then again the angels were there so that's plausible

[thick jolt]

Well my whole idea does hinge on them being called off before they get to see the ruined parts

[cyan crest]

But then they cannot say the ship was intact and full environmental as if it had never left

Kaleen says "she did not believe it until she stepped in" so she was clearly not the first one to step in

[graceful zodiac]

I mean, it can look that way on the outside. Kaleen says it before she mentions actually getting on the ship

[lost tapir]

Where is that concept art of drifter am curious what it looks like again

[cyan crest]

"I didn't believe it until I stepped in. It was completely intact, funky environmental blah blah blah" rough translation of the Spanish version that shows up in the app

Maybe not the same wording in the original version

I didn't believe it myself until I stepped aboard the ship. It was completely intact, full environmental, as if it had never left.

Stepped aboard then saw it intact

[supple dagger]

I think this is it. Sorry tho if it’s not what you’re looking for

[lost tapir]

It is! T.y.

[supple dagger]

Np!

[lost tapir]

I now just noticed something is the first one actually in Xaku's noble pose?

[supple dagger]

Lol it sure does look like that, but idk for sure

[amber terrace]

Styanax’s audio is amazing! Big o7’s to the audio team! I can’t wait for Styanax’s release! Speargun changes sound a lot more ergonomic

[balmy storm]

Same

[graceful zodiac]

@kindred charm It's not speculating when we see Drifter perfectly fine in our reality

[kindred charm]

im speculating about content that has not dropped

[balmy storm]

Duviri kinda already happened, or at least the intro quest did

The only power Thrax seems to have had outside of Duviri is sending his Thrax units aboard the Zariman

[graceful zodiac]

If they are even from Duviri

[kindred charm]

im questioning that too

[balmy storm]

They have Thrax in the name, they wield weapons that were labeled as from Duviri (granted that could’ve changed)
It’s more a question if Thrax “originates” from Duviri

It’s not confirmed but it’s very likely

What I’m concerned about is did they always look like that or do they have their skeletal appearance due to entering into the system from duviri, in which case why is Drifter fine by comparison

[graceful zodiac]

We know they aren't from Duviri, jut old Orokin designs from the intro trailer

[balmy storm]

That just confirms they’re old orokin designs, they could still come from Duviri, they just don’t originate there
Much like our Drifter

I’m not saying they were made in Duviri, but they were most likely soldiers Thrax sent

It kinda just depends on where the name Thrax comes from, since Dominus Thrax is the only other known entity with the name (I think, might be wrong) we can at least assume they are connected

[kindred charm]

here's a question why do thrax soliders turn into ghosts

[balmy storm]

We don’t really know, though we should note only those touched by the void can see them

[obtuse gyro]

Theyre void constructs, like us and the holdfasts

[balmy storm]

They are void manifestations so maybe their “ghost” mode is similar to our ghost mode as Op/Drifter

[obtuse gyro]

Different flavours of the same apple

[balmy storm]

Ghost apples

[zenith jacinth]

Why you eating a half rotten apple

[balmy storm]

Thrax units are rotted apples
The holdfasts are rotting apples
The angels are. Idek what kinda apple that is
And we’re probably okay apples

[primal nexus]

Crab apples maybe?

[balmy storm]

Crab apples for angels? Sure

[primal nexus]

Heheheheheh

[balmy storm]

I think we’re cosmic crisp apples

[still swan]

i want this imagine your frame can eat i mean it is technicly robot so what would he eat batteries

[balmy storm]

Warframes aren’t robots

[still swan]

from my view it is xd (i know the lore but space suit is not really what i imagene that is like nasa thing robot would be fitting)

[primal nexus]

They not be suits either

[strange onyx]

I know I just joined, but they're not meant to be suits or robots

[balmy storm]

They aren’t suits or robots, Warframes are humans infected with the infestation

Play the Sacrifice if you haven’t

[strange onyx]

They're biological frames of war basically

Controlled by the Tenno

[balmy storm]

^

[cunning copper]

They live, they breathe, they bleed, and they can die. What part of that says suit or robot?

[strange onyx]

I think the Warframes still do possess their memories (As seen how Umbra was destroyed in The Sacrifice and got rebuilt with his memories intact)

[still swan]

i did but i heard there suit not human i guess i have bad hearing xd

[strange onyx]

And there's not just one of each Warframe, there's multiple

[balmy storm]

^

[strange onyx]

The Hero of Altra Gauss isn't the only one that exists

[primal nexus]

......imagine the existential chrisis umbra feels when seeing HIMSELF and both are sentient

[balmy storm]

They seem to possess some level of sentience but it’s only happened once so
Idk

[strange onyx]

Or the Atlas who destroyed the meteor above Earth

[obtuse gyro]

Umbra is the special case of being the only one of his exact kind

Because umbra was a punishment

[balmy storm]

^

[strange onyx]

Still don't know if he did it through punching it with the Rumblers assisting or through Geokinesis

[balmy storm]

No other known frame is sentient in the same way Umbra was

[strange onyx]

Yes, but the Frames could possess sentience to a lesser extent

[cunning copper]

Saint of Altra*

[strange onyx]

The Warframes we print out are copied blueprints, of which Warframe? The ones we hear about in their leverian.

[obtuse gyro]

Thats unrelated, Im just saying umbra cant have an existential crisis because there only is ever one of him

[balmy storm]

They seemed to have exhibited it once, i forgot the quest name but it’s when stalker tried to kill us

[strange onyx]

I genuinely thought The Operator did that

but Umbra is unique because he fights on his own

[still swan]

i remeber when they mentioned in Dev stream that they will rellase stuff that umbra has that every frame could be like umbra wich was quite dum in my perspective

[primal nexus]

Tell that to two tenno operatives taking an umbra each into a mission XD

[strange onyx]

The other Warframes could be sentient as their memories are passed down through the blueprints however to a lesser extent of Umbra, either they weren't "programmed" into the flesh to arise like Umbra did

[obtuse gyro]

Thas just ludonarrative gameplay

[cunning copper]

They said that a long time ago and i'm pretty sure they changed their minds about that in the last 6 years

[primal nexus]

Also the fact he could be printed memories and all from a blueprint

[hexed ember]

Umbra is crafted

In the very quest

[still swan]

i pretty shure they did

[strange onyx]

After being nuked by Natah

You scan his remains afterwards

[hexed ember]

The point is that crafting can still carry the memories.. probably

[primal nexus]

Do you think after crafting him he still remembers getting nuked since his bp comes from scanning his shattered body?

[strange onyx]

This is all according to a Loremaster in another Warframe discord, but it does make sense considering how Umbra gets remade easily, and we do find the remnants of other Warframes too

Inaros' corpse is stored inside the tomb and we get the blueprint of that corpse

[cunning copper]

We didn't "craft" him

We glued him back together with kuva and other materials

[strange onyx]

It might as well be the same God King Inaros from back then, just really not sentient

[strange onyx]

We did technically craft him

We scan his remaining parts, gain the blueprint whilst not even taking the parts with us, and leave

[cunning copper]

That's gameplay convenience, not lore

[primal nexus]

His pieces aren't used to craft him

[cunning copper]

We scan plants to obtain them in our inventory

[strange onyx]

there's nothing implying we do take the parts with us

[cunning copper]

The parts aren't there when we go back to confront Ballas

[primal nexus]

His bp recipe is: an orokin cell, some kuva, some nano spores, and some alloy plate

[strange onyx]

Yeah, it still requires resources to build

[cunning copper]

Much less than building a warframe from scratch, we get him fully mastered

[strange onyx]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[cunning copper]

And his nikana

[strange onyx]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[cunning copper]

We brought him with and repaired him, unless you can prove otherwise

[strange onyx]

It takes Harrow only 2,000 Kuva to build alongside his entire set of components

[primal nexus]

If it was supposed to be indicated that we were guing him back together why not have the mission you look for him reward the pieces, abd you foundry them together?

Sounds more like you need to prove your version tbh.

[strange onyx]

His parts might disappear (so you can take in the full glorious battle) and not to mention, a specific Lavos is said to have guarded that alchemist

[obtuse gyro]

Theres the part where ordis scolds us for building him, and the part where ordis tells us he's got a partial blueprint that needs more data

[strange onyx]

The alchemist got melted and then fused into that Lavos' suit, and the snakes are still there after building him from only his blueprint

[cunning copper]

A specific anything is said to have done a lot of things in the lore

[obtuse gyro]

Diction used is "build" not "repair"

[strange onyx]

IIRC Rhino Prime's lore said he was sentient before calming but I think that might've been retconned or just brushed aside?

[cunning copper]

Gara blew herself up, Limbo tore himself apart with such style it scattered his pieces across the entire system, Inaros tore himself apart making a giant sandstorm on mars, Revenant died doing his job keeping the eidolons dead after Gara's sacrifice. Most quest frames have being torn apart or blown up in common

[strange onyx]

Inaros' corpse is still intact

They said they buried it in order to keep it away from scavengers

[cunning copper]

"intact" yet in multiple pieces

[graceful zodiac]

Yeah, and we're building brand new parts for all of them, not repairing

[strange onyx]

Yes, and you could scan those remains to get the blueprint of Inaros, the same God King who ruled over Mars

[graceful zodiac]

It's the entire point of getting a blueprint

[strange onyx]

That's how you know it's that Inaros

[obtuse gyro]

Technically we're also building "brand new" parts for umbra exact theyre almost the same copy of the original at time of death

[cunning copper]

Multiple separate pieces is the literal opposite of "intact"

[primal nexus]

Ok, then what is it when you make ANOTHER one

[obtuse gyro]

Because our data is combined not only from scans from umbra but data from the vitruvian

Plus the operator wanted to make umbra as is because it wanted smoke with ballas

[strange onyx]

Excalibur Umbra wasn't exactly fully put together after being shot by Natah

in pieces

[cunning copper]

We know that Helminth can and does handle repairing warframes

[strange onyx]

Just a note that it wasn't because of overextending abilities, it was because of other factors

Limbo for example Mathing Too Hard™️ and Science ganked him

[cunning copper]

Doesn't change the outcome

[strange onyx]

I'm not arguing they died, I'm just saying it doesn't make them any less powerful than they are

[cunning copper]

Inaros and Limbo tore themselves apart using their abilities, fact. The why isn't the focal point of this

[strange onyx]

Limbo did a miscalculation

[cunning copper]

That doesn't change that they are two more quest frames that got torn apart

[primal nexus]

Limbo did the equivalent of pulling all his rift jumping muscles at once

[cunning copper]

What's the point of bringing that up?

What caused it was nowhere in that statement for a reason, it's irrelevant to my point

[primal nexus]

Your point missing the fact we have to rebuild limbo from scratch via components that are raw materials?

[cunning copper]

That wasn't my point

We don't have access to the original

[primal nexus]

Weren't you saying earlier that we repaired 'frames?

[cunning copper]

I said helminth repairs frames, yes

That is directly stated fact

[strange onyx]

I know, I'm just talking about their power within the universe

[primal nexus]

We don't use helinnth to make frames though

[strange onyx]

Helminth does repair frames, but that doesn't mean he forges them like we do at our Foundry

Whenever you fail a mission by dying, he repairs your Warframe

As long as The Operator is alive, Warframes can just keep being repaired or produced

[cunning copper]

Helminth is directly stated to handle all maintenance on our warframes, period

[primal nexus]

Yes. But not the CONSTRUCTION of them

[hexed ember]

he cleans 'em up with smoochies

[primal nexus]

Construction isn't repair

[cunning copper]

Why would he not construct then when they are made from the Helminth strain of infestation?

They are made from him

[hexed ember]

i mean, i don't think the thing we interact with for the foundry is actually the entire foundry or anything

[primal nexus]

Because we make them from scratch in the foundry

[cunning copper]

You think the living source of it we have on the ship isn't used to make them?

[zenith jacinth]

Discussing the process of frame creation? Don't. Bad idea.

[cunning copper]

I would argue it can't be

It isn't big enough to print an archwing, a necramech, or a warframe

Unless it did so in pieces

[primal nexus]

Which it does

Explicitly so in fact XD

[cunning copper]

I mean literal pieces

[hexed ember]

but the 'foundry' also puts the pieces together

[cunning copper]

Not different sections of the blueprint

Make a hand, make a foot, etc type pieces

[graceful zodiac]

Only in the sense of constructing stuff from scratch

[primal nexus]

If you want to get that semantic where on your ship is there room for FOUR necramechs

[cunning copper]

The foundry we are shown is not physically large enough to manufacture a grendel in any capacity

[hexed ember]

the foundry table on the ship wouldn't even fit most melee weapons

[primal nexus]

Neuroptics, systems, and the chasis are literal pieces

[graceful zodiac]

Literally the entirely giant lower half of the Orbiter

[zenith jacinth]

The orbiter is a lot more than just the dropship

[cunning copper]

I literally just said that isn't what i meant

[primal nexus]

Yes by saying literal pieces. Those are definitionally pieces

[cunning copper]

Go walk your Warframe over to that table and try to tell me it can print a Warframe in one piece on that

[primal nexus]

The game says it does

[hexed ember]

and the literal pieces are put together in that same foundry

[cunning copper]

It would lucky to just fit the head by itself

[hexed ember]

so that point doesn't really matter

[cunning copper]

We know it has larger sections we can't access, it stores all the Warframes somewhere

[graceful zodiac]

It absolutely can given it's only a representation of the whole thing

[hexed ember]

that's what he's agreeing with

...i think something got lost in this discussion?

[primal nexus]

Abysal from how i understand is figuring we get parts wholesale (despite the fact we have necramechs as an example of actually getting parts and repairing them), and fixing them in the ship. As opposed to how the gameplay actually displays us making the 'frames whole cloth from scratch.

[cunning copper]

Helminth is also directly stated to be the source of warframe abilities and is able to freely alter them, it would have to be involved in making them. Ordis specifically states its presence on the orbiter is necessary to the use of warframes.

[primal nexus]

Not freely

There's DEFINITELY limits

[cunning copper]

For us to balance gameplay, yes

In the lore, not necessarily

[primal nexus]

Lore follows gameplay except in explicit statements otherwise

[zenith jacinth]

Isn't the only thing ordis says about helminth the fact that it's a "necessary evil"?

[strange onyx]

not really?

[thick jolt]

Leverian indicates warframes are much more powerfull and free in their power use than gameplay indicates

[strange onyx]

Yes Warframes have their abilities ingame and all, but like a lot of fictional characters in games and other media, they're a LOT more powerful in gameplay

beat me to it

[cunning copper]

Ordis says its presence on the orbiter is necessary to our use of warframes

[strange onyx]

Not to mention that Volt is supersonic in speed and Gauss is most likely hypersonic

[primal nexus]

Oh look, an example of EXACTLY what i was talking about. Funny that

[zenith jacinth]

Not really

[strange onyx]

There's a decent amount of explicit examples

The Operator's Void Beam vaporizing Grineer too

[cunning copper]

In exact words he says Helminth handles biological functions of the orbiter, ie anything to do with our warframes and their maintenance

[primal nexus]

In what regard is lore being given as an explicit contradiction not an example of lore being given as an explicit contradiction?

[cunning copper]

Contradicts your statement

[zenith jacinth]

Wh

[thick jolt]

You said lore follows gameplay
Leverian lore clearly shows things above gameplay level making it independent from gameplay

[cunning copper]

Inaros' quest explicitly states power way above gameplay level

[primal nexus]

I qualified the statement. If you want to correct me please include the ENTIRE statement.

[strange onyx]

Off topic but if we talk about Power then the Excalibur used in Excalibur vs Raiden was a beginner with rather weak weapons and stuff

but that's a crossover

[hexed ember]

where's atlas asteroid breaker

[strange onyx]

And Atlas' leverian

[hexed ember]

snap the tileset in half

[primal nexus]

Death battle also tends to leave out a looooooooot

[graceful zodiac]

It's not even Deathbattle, gameplay just flat out is not a full representation

[strange onyx]

I've seen multiple interpretations, I don't know if I can ask someone at DE in charge of lore but there's been interpretations of Atlas using his strength along with his Rumblers to destroy the asteroid

And then there's him using Geokinesis to destroy the Asteroid

[cunning copper]

Didn't he use both?

[graceful zodiac]

He did

[strange onyx]

I've seen people say he only used resonance

His first ability is literally punching though

[graceful zodiac]

Atlas used both Rumblers and harmonic resonance to destroy the asteroid

[cunning copper]

He and the rumblers were stated to strike the fault lines at once iirc

Cascading the force through the cracks to shatter it

[strange onyx]

IIRC I think the Resonance idea comes from the last line "and Atlas struck the final, resonant chord"

Could also be interpreted as him punching it as a finale

[cunning copper]

He didn't do it completely alone regardless, he had multiple rumblers

Which is alone, beyond gameplay level

[strange onyx]

Even with the rumblers that's extremely impressive

[cunning copper]

Gameplay we can only make two

[strange onyx]

It would make him extremely strong either Strength Wise or Geokinesis Wise

[zenith jacinth]

Or both

[strange onyx]

Basically he could probably sink an entire city into the ground with his power

[cunning copper]

So could Inaros

[strange onyx]

I want epic Leverian lore for Styanax

[zenith jacinth]

If the city was built on sand

[cunning copper]

And Banshee if she used soundquake to reduce the ground beneath it to dust

[primal nexus]

He is getting a Leverian

[cunning copper]

Sand can be used to make more sand/dust out of anything

[strange onyx]

Inaros is so cool Leverian wise but his Gameplay just decides to go with the notion that controlling Sand would normally be lame as a superpower

[strange onyx]

I know
I want him soloing a continent sized Sentient alone

BIG enemies

[cunning copper]

Ever use a sandblaster on a rock? High enough pressure it just erodes into dust

[primal nexus]

DE needs more Gara viewing for Inaros inspiration >.>

[zenith jacinth]

Still needs sand to be present to begin with

[hexed ember]

inaros' kit just doesn't really feel like it works together well

[cunning copper]

Inaros makes sand

[strange onyx]

Like all Warframes, they make what they control themselves

Hydroid makes the water

[cunning copper]

Sand, dirt, and dust are essentially the same thing just slightly different materials

[strange onyx]

knew it

Man Hydroid is cooler than Inaros gameplay wise

That guy is just a walking Artillery platform

[thick jolt]

Hydroid goes splish splash

[cunning copper]

The walking artillery platform is Hildryn

Literally

[hexed ember]

attack chopper, rather

[strange onyx]

Hildryn's better I know but Hydroid makes it rain

Literally

[zenith jacinth]

Lavos

[hexed ember]

the one thing hydroid has going for him is that the female water frame isn't any better than him...

[thick jolt]

What would be a cool hyldrin feat ?
Draining a ships shield to tank another ships shot ?

[cunning copper]

Garuda makes it rain too, just a different fluid

[zenith jacinth]

Nah, yareli is better

[hexed ember]

he has nothing...

poor, poor hydroid

[zenith jacinth]

He's got cool hats

[thick jolt]

His deluxes coat goes well with hydroid prime

[zenith jacinth]

Oh wait, seva does that too

[thick jolt]

Seva is an actual captain of a ship too

[cunning copper]

Hydroid's 1 is actually useful

Just not at doing damage

[zenith jacinth]

What is his 1 again

[cunning copper]

The barrage

[hexed ember]

the water bombing

[thick jolt]

Extreme acid rain

[cunning copper]

The augment makes it strip armor

[zenith jacinth]

Ash

[hexed ember]

doesn't it just make it do corrosive

[cunning copper]

In lore, Hydroid is probably completely busted

[primal nexus]

Corrosive status i think

[cunning copper]

Water at high enough pressure cuts through anything we know of

[hexed ember]

instead he becomes puddle

[zenith jacinth]

Even... water?

[cunning copper]

A puddle canonically as deep as an ocean