spoiler-chat

[balmy storm]

Or, at least it’s Drifter and their past self

[boreal osprey]

So a time travel paradox?

[balmy storm]

Maybe

[graceful zodiac]

No, just alternate realities

[balmy storm]

Well, we are going to be dealing with time travel directly

[thick jolt]

kinda time travel with the whole rewind part

[balmy storm]

It’s simple groundhog day time travel from what we’ve seen, but you could squeeze a paradox in there

[rain otter]

He remembers the loop and it seems others do

Idk

[boreal osprey]

"The two beings remembering a time loop Paradox"

[rain otter]

I am very excited to theorize after the Update comes out I'm excepting like some info

[rain otter]

More than 2 at least 3

Drifter, Tehsin, and Thrax.

[thick jolt]

the quest is unlikely to have a lot of info as its an introductory quest to duviri

[rain otter]

They said story would happen after.

[balmy storm]

Teshin’s outside of Thrax’s control
Thrax controls it
We’re the only outlier for remembering

[rain otter]

That's still 3

[balmy storm]

It is, but we’re the exception it seems

[rain otter]

Others might but I would need to actually play it to see lul.

[balmy storm]

Probably because we got stabbed by a time sword and found our other self’s robot mom’s hand

[boreal osprey]

@ u @

[balmy storm]

Still wanna know how that got there and how Wally gets it, that being said I think the order of events for the hand is
Falls into portal
Wally gets it
Deal time
Drop it in Duviri
Reattach to mom

[boreal osprey]

So I heard something about a Veilbreaker?

[balmy storm]

What’d you hear?

[rain otter]

Oh thats the next Update

[cosmic ermine]

did new war weeks ago but just now i noticed the giant 'orbiter' in drifter's den

[boreal osprey]

The name

[balmy storm]

You played tnw, right?

[boreal osprey]

Ye

[balmy storm]

I’d assume so

The veils are what controlled people
In Veilbreaker we gotta break some veils

[rain otter]

I mean it is the Orbiter. You can switch between the Drifter camp and the Space Orbiter.

[thick jolt]

people liked kahl so we get more kahl

[rain otter]

Lul also Some Erra Resolution I guess.

[balmy storm]

And someone’s gotta stop Narmer outside some raids we conduct to get Caliban

[boreal osprey]

And breaking some sort of Veil. Right

[balmy storm]

Doubt it

[rain otter]

I mean they said it would be

[balmy storm]

The veils are the vr masks ballas put on people to make them subservient

[rain otter]

We see Frankstein Erra.

[rain otter]

The Gaslight Gatekeep Girlboss Masks.

[balmy storm]

We saw Frankenstein’s Monster Erra

That boy is dead

[graceful zodiac]

He doesn't. Drifter very much doesn't know from the entire Teshin section

[cosmic ermine]

yea i know, what i mean is the view of the Orbiter from the outside, which i just noticed.

[rain otter]

Oh yee your Landing craft is also there just floatin.

[balmy storm]

They have some idea or may just be feeling very oppressed
Probably the latter lol

[graceful zodiac]

They get the feeling they're stuck in a loop, but they don't know they are, and definitely don't remember previous loops

[balmy storm]

So they’re just sad
Makes sense
They were being executed

[boreal osprey]

Ah okay. I thought they would mean like a veil on the universe; like a spell.
Face veils make more sense

[thick jolt]

i mean drifter exclaiming "this world can change!?" to me implies he was aware of the world looping it just never had any alterations to what happened making him feel stuck

[rain otter]

Gaslight GateKeep Girlboss Devices

[graceful zodiac]

It would have to be an awareness on a subconscious level, since he doesn't remember any other previous actions

[balmy storm]

It’s kinda hard to tell if they mean that or are just sick of the same awful place

[balmy storm]

Technically they do cause we do if our memory is good enough

[rain otter]

They yell like THIS PLACE CAN CHANGE so idk

[balmy storm]

I hope we get a captura or something of colorful duviri

We’ve got to be able to see it fully colored, we got a teaser of it fully colored!
Give me this beautiful environment to gawk over!!

Really excited for the sound design of duviri too, hope they do a devstream on it

[thick jolt]

i think the premise that drifter doesnt remember past loops is wrong
its just he has been in the same loop with the same actions and same consequences
then change happens with the stab and the hand

[balmy storm]

I think they might remember some things but not others

[graceful zodiac]

You can tell from the Teshin section. Drifter thinks this is the first time he's taking the hand. Teshin knows that this is just another loop and things will reset eventually

[balmy storm]

Idk what constitutes not remembering and what constitutes remembering but that seems possible if not a compromise for now

[boreal osprey]

I'm sure we'll find out what changes it

[balmy storm]

It may be colorful things are not remembered? Idk

And why did those people call us king

Am I gonna be called a king even though I’m a girl
Call me queen please, duvirian people

[boreal osprey]

So, a math world that went into the void and lost its color?

[balmy storm]

yes?

duviri might have some “this does exist and does not exist” things too so that’ll be fun

[thick jolt]

the math part so far is just a previous inspiration for how the land was formed during art development
its not a math world exactly
just the idea of math generated patterns in the land

[graceful zodiac]

And they said that kinda design was very much unfeasible

Duviri keeps a similar overall look, but fractals is not the design ethos anymore

[balmy storm]

No it isn’t, the landscape and flora are clearly fractal inspired

Look at the landscape, the trees, the flora in general, it’s as fractally as they could probably make it

[boreal osprey]

Would we consider the barrier between Real Space and the Void a Veil?

[balmy storm]

No, the voidy veil is different

And the veils in veilbreaker have no connection

[boreal osprey]

Haha okay. I was wondering about the wording there

Void worm tile set

[balmy storm]

Warframe uses the same wording more than you’d think

Wisp’s collection has Kavat armor named Sirocco, no relation to the Drifter’s void gun of the same name

[boreal osprey]

Catgun. Yeah you're right

[frail nymph]

The part of the void we go to with the Orokin Towers and stuff is not the "Deep Void," with all the big things lashing like dragons and bellowing like giants.

Kinda like shores/beach sea vs deep ocean

[balmy storm]

Thought so, thanks for the confirmation on thatn

Good analogy too

[frail nymph]

Now that I think about it a bit more... Albrecht used a bell to try and protect himself from the void, and Lua had shielding for the entire moon to stop being crushed...

Assuming the towers have similar shielding, would that shielding hold up when in the deep void?

Similar to how it's harder to make a submarine than a low depth diving vehicle. Cause deep oceans have a lot more pressure.

[balmy storm]

Void pressure

That sounds like something they’d say in Warframe

[frail nymph]

After reading that Rebecca said "Void Narrative," I'm convinced they're just gonna add void in front of literally any word

[balmy storm]

Can’t wait to get some void coffee on my way to my void job at the void company 🙂

[boreal osprey]

Lol

VoidFrame

[peak mason]

That’s our new Variant name

Just Void

Void Boltor
Void Nikana
etc etc

and y’know what damage it’ll do?

Not Void damage

[boreal osprey]

taps forehead

[thin path]

It'll somehow do anti-void damage which will empower sentients but be absolutely devastating in the void

[peak mason]

It’ll be Bane of Corrupted on steroids

[thin path]

And it'll be compatible with Bane of Corrupted so you can take it from steroid levels to completely OP

And everyone will complain that it needs to be nerfed.

[supple dagger]

Guy what the diff between the good ending and the bad ending in the war within

[graceful zodiac]

There is no good or bad ending

[frail nymph]

There's no good or bad options at all. It's Sun and Moon, two different personality types

[supple dagger]

What the diff between them

[cyan crest]

You get sun or moon in the dial

[fleet veldt]

No good. No evil. Just perspective, opinion, alignment.

[cyan crest]

Three are the principles,
three the weaving ways.

Cool water flows,
the moon behind a cloud;
To the receptive mind
All things come in time.

Sun at mid-heaven,
Sovereign above all;
Mind in firm action
Commits without reflecting.

Between sun and moon
Unfolds a winding path;
Not by one Way alone
Is Mastery achieved.

Let me explain, Child. The words I speak to you have purpose. The choices you've been forced to make have not attuned you to 'good' nor 'evil', but to older, less subjective principles. You must find comfort in your choices, for your enemies will provide you none. The road ahead will be one that requires more choices of you, Child. Be ready.

Litany of the Dax, as recited to us by Teshin in the forums

He starts reciting it in the New war when he gets Veiled

[north trail]

CALL OUT, DAX
"Cool water flows, the moon behind a cloud"
*gets unceremoniously killed*

At least "he" is in duviri

Well not him him

[cyan crest]

Probably not him him
Hopefully not him him

[north trail]

Before anyone says it, yes, teshin is in duviri teshin is not in duviri

[cyan crest]

The classroom scene and it's consequences have been devastating to the fanbase

[north trail]

This joke is still very funny this joke is not still funny

It was a nice haha moment but we HAD TO drive it to the ground

Especially in the arg

[vital venture]

cross saves out yet?

[kind panther]

No

[vital venture]

ty

[kind panther]

Not until late this year or early next year

[balmy storm]

I don’t think they specified that

[balmy storm]

Kahl Jetpack
Ability or Action?

[supple dagger]

Used for maneuvers would be nice

[icy ore]

Kahl jetpack could be a double jump grineer alternative

[sharp spoke]

That seems likely to me

[fleet veldt]

It was driven into the ground.
The ground was driven into it.

[balmy storm]

Dump jump glide maybe?

[peak mason]

When Drifter Prime releases

[whole whale]

I'd kill for the emissary suit

I hopped on real late and didn't get it when it was around, and been wanting it ever since

The only thing I dread about bps are the come and gone elements of them, to me it's a waste of resources

[indigo plank]

When is wolf helmet coming to drifter, I need to use it + smelter set to make my doom guy impression

[undone meadow]

guys can i get any help here pls 😦 i have 3 parts for prime nekros need just his (( system)) pls if anyone has spares send me ill be happy 😦 😦

[ionic sleet]

Check out #757632548842111086 to find your platform, they trying making a trade request in your respective trade channel.

Also, please don't spam the request in multiple channels.

[fleet veldt]

Wolf Helmet + Grineer set =

[icy ore]

I’d love to get the wolf armor, so my Hyldrin could be a doom gurl (hyldrin with wolf + Corinth/Tigris makes an amazing doom guy cosplay

[whole whale]

Amazing ideas

[scarlet basalt]

"A mad scientist's lab dripping in malicious intent is key to the story of the 50th Warframe. "
Yo guys what if Dr.Tengus ?

[cyan crest]

Or Alad for the 57th time

BTW where does that quote come from?

[scarlet basalt]

They should stop with alad.
Like why is he in TNW, it could have been nef anyo but whatever.
The quote come from the latest tweet

I hope it's not Alad,either a new mad scientist or Dr.Tengus bcz if they brought back Dr.Tengus this could mean that maybe, kuva liches aren't the last resort for the grineer to take down the tenno ?

[graceful zodiac]

Seems like Tyl finally might be comin back

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah it does look like a Sealab,

[peak mason]

Not only could it have been
it should’ve been

the only reason Alad was there was so they could have Alad betray the Corpus for the Sentients AGAIN

[kind panther]

Counter in the corner for how many times it’s happened so far when?

[peak mason]

Only twice I think
shockingly

[scarlet basalt]

Dude love betraying thing.
Like, betray the sentient so the tenno can kill the ropalolyst
Betray the corpus so he can make amalgams
Betray the corpus AGAIN so he can still go with the sentient.
If i see Alad in veilbreaker, who he is going to betray ?

[kind panther]

If i had a nickle everytime alad betrayed corpus for the sentients i’d have 2 nickles

[peak mason]

Kahl
make you fight Sentients before you can fight the reborn Nira

[cyan crest]

3
He ilegaly experimented with the infestation, kinda turned mutalist

That counts as a betrayal

[peak mason]

Mutalist isn’t Amalgam
though it is betrayal

[kind panther]

3 times total 2 for the sentients

[cyan crest]

Oh I didn't see the "for the sentients"

I'm dumb

[kind panther]

Lol

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh they should change the alad V mutalist boss fight because...
What the hell is even happening ?

[peak mason]

Alad VI

[scarlet basalt]

Alad VII

[graceful zodiac]

He's an infested controller, not much more

[kind panther]

Alad VIII

[peak mason]

Alad IX

[scarlet basalt]

I guess they went to do :
Alad V was beaten by us first time > get somehow infested so he is still living > make the mutalist but he is still somehow "sentient" > Cure himself > make a contract or something like that with the sentient to make the amalgam > Betray the sentient to kill the ropalolyst so he can become independent ? > TNW Alad V has a control of a fleet ?

[peak mason]

Because ah yes Alad V is now suddenly trusted by the Corpus again

[kind panther]

He made another zanuka

[scarlet basalt]

Waiting for Alad V to be with MITW

[cyan crest]

He got cured before the amalgams

[peak mason]

God imagine

[kind panther]

Salad saying hey kiddo when?

[peak mason]

Rap Tap Tap
The Salad in the Wall

[scarlet basalt]

Wait fr ? i thought that he was still infested with his big violet scar but he cured himself after the amalgam

[kind panther]

MITW starts eating healthy instead of children’s souls

[peak mason]

Big Violet Scar is just an after-effect of it

[cyan crest]

The scar is that, a scar, he's not infested when making the amalgams

[peak mason]

just a mark of it

[cyan crest]

Also we cured him

Years before the amalgams

[kind panther]

When

[cyan crest]

Old event, called tube men of Regor

[balmy storm]

Why would we cure him

[obtuse gyro]

because we're nice like that

[cyan crest]

The other option was letting Nef Anyo win

[balmy storm]

Okay that sounds like an awesome event

[kind panther]

He gave us valkyr ig

[balmy storm]

Okay we did the right thing

[peak mason]

Because we’re nice and also it gave us Prova Vandal iirc

[scarlet basalt]

If we can cure him....
Can we cure other people who show first sign of infestation ?

[cyan crest]

Anyo wanted to not cure Alad, Alad wanted to cure himself, some players helped Anyo, some helped Alad, most helped Alad so Alad won

We also destroyed some of Regor's research in the process, and stole it to cure Alad

[scarlet basalt]

I think now we can't, the infestation is developing themselves with an extreme rate and we can't really keep up.
We can for Alad V maybe because it was a weaker developed one maybe ?

[balmy storm]

Anyo sucks, I woulda helped Alad, at least he’s funny

[peak mason]

Wrong event
Supporting Salad gave Karak Wraith

[graceful zodiac]

No, because we never got the specific research

[balmy storm]

Wait so regor was studying on how to cure the infestation???

why did we kill him

[scarlet basalt]

Sad, well red veil has their own way to deal with the infestation

[graceful zodiac]

All we stole was the last thing Alad needed to make a cure for himself

[cyan crest]

Alad believed his tubemen research could help him cure himself
And he was right

[graceful zodiac]

Specifically for him too

[balmy storm]

Ah, okay

[scarlet basalt]

Because they're grineer and we hate grineer tbh

[cyan crest]

So technically Alad is the one to know how to cure infestation

[balmy storm]

No we don’t, steel meridian, kahl, clem, the list goes on

[graceful zodiac]

Likely not in general though

Since Alad was unique instance of it

[peak mason]

Steel Meridian and Clem both have defects that prevent that

Kahl too

[balmy storm]

Still grineer and Kahl’s defect isn’t proven

In theory I could see Alad making a proper cure to the infestation, but he probably won’t

[scarlet basalt]

If one day our tenno become a good person,maybe they will try to do something to help people with first symptoms of infestation ?

[cyan crest]

How

We do not have the means

[balmy storm]

We’re not scientists, most we can do is get resources for those who can do something

[graceful zodiac]

Alad barely had the means

[cyan crest]

Also, as seen with kavor defectors, transformation can be near instantaneous

[graceful zodiac]

And he very much just figured out how to cure himself

Alad was a one in a million case

[scarlet basalt]

We're not scientist but people who want help us may have scientist in their ranks ?
You know railjack also tell us that people want to help the tenno.

but tbh everyone who want to help the tenno only want war i think... Or i'm too much with the red veil,new loka

[cyan crest]

None are on Alad's level of scientific knowledge nor they have the means to get Regor's súper specific research

[cyan crest]

you are kind of forgetting Suda, the Perrin Sequence, the Meridian and also the Arbiters
3 of those are anti war and the other one is literally trying to fight a super giant empire

[balmy storm]

Suda just wants to vibe

[cyan crest]

And the arbiters are big fan boys but the point is they dislike conflict
They participate in it but they don't like it

[scarlet basalt]

That's pretty sad yeah.
But wow this would be very OP if there are a new gamemode where you advance research for a new character (a scientist) that is figuring out every science that tyl regor and alad V has made.
This could be a good plot to cure disease and other things 🤔

[kind panther]

Dont arbiters think that tenno aren’t the guardians they claim they are?

[scarlet basalt]

i'm too much with the pro war guys maybe

[cyan crest]

They think they have higher purposes than conflict and war

They're big fanboys

[balmy storm]

I’m thinking about it and while we know many great minds, I don’t think any of them could dent the infestation like Alad

[kind panther]

So they like the tenno just for other means rather than go kill

[scarlet basalt]

And they were right, now we have to deal with beings that are eldritch horrors

[balmy storm]

Fashionframe

[kind panther]

Warframes were created for fashion shows theory

[balmy storm]

Any frame that’s prime came first was made for fashion primarily and you can’t change my mind

[scarlet basalt]

But we can just nuke Eris with the bomb used in a new strange i think ?
The one that delete infestation

[balmy storm]

If deluxe skins are canon then yes
Plus ceremonial helmets are canon so

[scarlet basalt]

Ballas has a good taste, maybe not a great personnality but good taste

[balmy storm]

Iirc eris itself isn’t infected but it’s the ships themselves, since every tile there is on a ship
Might be wrong bout that idk

[cyan crest]

That one only cleansed a small asteroid
We don't have one big enough for all of Eris

[peak mason]

The whole of Eris is entirely Infested
a complete Hive

[scarlet basalt]

Eris is said to be infested but very weirdly.
IIRC Nora confirmed that Eris is completly infested and you can be exiled for reason

[balmy storm]

Ah okay, ty

[kind panther]

Which employee was high when making jordas golem it looks nothing like a golem

[scarlet basalt]

So,technically DE could do an entire research (smilar to the relay reconstruction) so we can make a giant nuke ?
That would be... Very cool

[cyan crest]

It won't happen

[balmy storm]

^
To cure the infestation would be a wasted effort for large scale cases like that probably

[cyan crest]

Also Relay reconstruction was an operation

[peak mason]

Eris is only a Dwarf Planet

[graceful zodiac]

Eris is an entirely different situation that cleaning a single base

[peak mason]

Though it’s the second largest Dwarf in the system

[cyan crest]

Also loosing one of the only two infested planets is bad for gameplay so there's no logical reason to do it

[kind panther]

Still big enough to be classed as pseudo planet

[balmy storm]

That too lol

[scarlet basalt]

True, they could move but it would be sad to see less infested planet

[cyan crest]

Given how there are two

[balmy storm]

I’m still waiting for infested railjack

Maybe Eris will pop open and give us infested rj, you could keep the normal missions that way too

[peak mason]

Could probably infect the Crew and take over Aurax fighters

[scarlet basalt]

If one day they do infested railjack, i really hope that they will go very high on this.
Like literal Flying dragons that is moving toward your railjack to throw it away lol or other golem (non-jordas) who is rushing to you

[kind panther]

Would it be smart enough to fly a ship though?

[cyan crest]

Yes

It was smart enough to start a cult

[kind panther]

Wait what cult did it start i don’t remember this

[scarlet basalt]

Cult of the lamb ? No we have cult of the infested, and this sound much worse

[balmy storm]

We saw concept art years ago and it was kinda just a big infested mass we fly through

[cyan crest]

Nightwave season 2, the emissary

[kind panther]

Just a bunch of jordas golems

[scarlet basalt]

ohhh can you send it me pls ? I want to see it 😮

[kind panther]

Ah didn’t play then

[kind panther]

Same

[cyan crest]

Neither did I, you can re-watch the cutscenes in the Nightwave console

[kind panther]

Oh yea

[kind panther]

Like the cambion tendrils

[scarlet basalt]

This is beautiful, i want to ram through it and discover survivor who are crying in despair as the infested try to reach them...
And they're corpus so we also kill them

[cyan crest]

Oh so like the infested ship tileset

[kind panther]

Nah corpus defectors we save

[kind panther]

Or its an invasion and we have to go through in an RJ and save the respective faction survivors

[balmy storm]

I’m pretty sure a lot of infested rj dissolved into the cambion drift, but it could still happen

[scarlet basalt]

wasn't those named infested Planetoids.
And i just noticed that heart of Deimos is literally different than this ?

i think that those project may be post-ponned until next tennocon ? It sound weird but they could focus on the next tennocon on infested ?

[kind panther]

I want this🤩

[balmy storm]

These are from 2019

And they already did an infested tennocon, the year deimos was revealed and came out

I’d prefer another expansion on the Grineer tbh, or the syndicates

[kind panther]

Red veil expansion

[orchid remnant]

Wdym brah we have so many grineer things

[scarlet basalt]

True, i think they will either go still with a void themed tennocon or grineer.
I don't think syndicates will have much more

[kind panther]

COH doesn’t count

[peak mason]

I was gonna say

[balmy storm]

I want continuation on what’s going on with the queen/s situation

[kind panther]

That was a frame quest not a syndicate quest

[scarlet basalt]

Ohhh maybe Corpus themed next tennocon COULD be very very strong ?
What i mean by that is that, what is going to happends to us because we're now enemies of parvos by destroying protea. And boy he doesn't want to play.

[cyan crest]

The steel meridian needs a quest, the veil has one

[balmy storm]

No, it was a syndicate quest too

[cyan crest]

All syndicate quests are frame quests

[kind panther]

Neyh me want veil expansion

[balmy storm]

no

steel meridian first

[kind panther]

Fine then veil

[scarlet basalt]

I want to see steel meridian reaction to Kahl

[balmy storm]

Veil doesn’t need it

[cyan crest]

Hey maybe he joins them

[balmy storm]

I’m gonna be disappointed if they don’t do anything with SM and Kahl

[kind panther]

But i want edgy space assassins to be expanded on

[balmy storm]

No they’re dumb and edgy, that’s all they get

[peak mason]

We’ve had
New Loka (Silver Grove)
Red Veil (Chains of Harrow)
The Perrin Sequence (The Glast Gambit)
Cephalon Suda (Octavia’s Anthem)
You can also technically call Man of Few Words an SM quest since Clem is a high value SM member

[scarlet basalt]

I think that for the moment, kahl is stuck with the naarmer enemies and he has to "free" them by killing them for a moment,
But maybe one day they will try to do something.
I want to see him going to the Iron wake and meet palladino and the chief of the SM

[kind panther]

Iron wake needs another reason to exist other than riven slivers

[balmy storm]

Maybe Styanax will be a SM quest, or SM related

[peak mason]

It more than likely will with Veilbreaker

[balmy storm]

It better

I want to customize my personal kahl quarters

[scarlet basalt]

It would be very strong to see that Kahl will not be alone and that they will allow multiplayer with SM , like you play kahl but with other players.
AND they allow clem to be playable.
Imagine playing clem

[kind panther]

Maybe a hub for accepting quests where you it gives you enhanced rewards for defection

Like save X defectors in one mission

[cyan crest]

I'd imagine they'll have a Clem helmet for Khal

[peak mason]

I want another Corpus Tech to be playable
I enjoyed Veso’s Gameplay

[balmy storm]

Does this give grineer or corpus vibes?

[scarlet basalt]

As we have seen with veilbreaker trailer, everything goes on earth... So it's most likely that palladino and SM will have to do research on this new threat ?
But the problem is that Palladino may not have much importance because she is linked way much more to the void than this red mask

[peak mason]

Grineer

[cyan crest]

Sealab

[balmy storm]

knew it

Wait, mad scientist sealab
Haven’t we seen this before

[kind panther]

Tyl moment

[scarlet basalt]

Grineer sealab, it may have some importance but it's just for the animation.
We've seen on his first trailer i think that this lab has some curious enemies ?

[kind panther]

We have to farm styanax like equinox with his defensive and offensive form

[cyan crest]

I hope it's Tengus, Regor served his purpose, Tengus hasn't appeared yet

[balmy storm]

Is Tyl coming back? That would be rad! Idk if it makes sense but. It’d be cool!

[scarlet basalt]

no ❤️

[balmy storm]

Who’s tengus

[cyan crest]

Also infestation guy

[kind panther]

Yes ❤️

[scarlet basalt]

I would rather see Tengus but his lab is more orange coated than blue

[balmy storm]

Omg he’s an egg head I love him

[scarlet basalt]

it's been years since i've farmed her.
I don't want to see that

[cyan crest]

Also long Worm queen

[balmy storm]

I don’t think I’ll ever farm for equinox because why would I

[kind panther]

Tough

[balmy storm]

Long furby

[cyan crest]

For everyone who doubted she's also got a worm like body

[scarlet basalt]

I hope that Styannax will have way more movement based gameplay than excalibur
Like gap closer, shield, and idk what else

[cyan crest]

This is my favourite image of all time

[balmy storm]

Idk why you’d doubt that when they show her fully in body in tww

[scarlet basalt]

The first prototype of Lodun

[kind panther]

They show the elder queens worm body in TWW iirc

[balmy storm]

I hope styanax’s spear and shield will be good

[scarlet basalt]

I think he will be great but i really hope that they concentrate a lot more about movement on this frame.

[cyan crest]

No they don't, they show Elder's full body
Worm is always in her Jar

[scarlet basalt]

The queen in a jar

[kind panther]

No begone

[balmy storm]

Oh right
Worm moment

Zephyr should eat the worm queen

[kind panther]

Clem/kahl should in veil breaker

[balmy storm]

What why

Worm queen has nothing to do with narmer as far as we know

[cyan crest]

Clem should stay with Darvo forever, Khal is new best boy

[balmy storm]

^

[kind panther]

Clem is still the meme one kahl is the kool grineer one now

[balmy storm]

He can visit iron wake to vibe in his fort with popcorn tho

[scarlet basalt]

but clem double grakatas, maybe it also mean that he can literally be a great offensive/raid guy ?

[kind panther]

Where can i find popcorn outside of iron wake?

I assume perrin sequence or fortuna

[cyan crest]

People say you have nothing to do in Iron wake yet Clem and his fort are right there smh

[cyan crest]

It's the moa the Jackal crushes

[balmy storm]

Jackal fight iirc

[kind panther]

Oh poor popcorn

[scarlet basalt]

yeah but he die

[kind panther]

And the grokdruhl ghoul

[balmy storm]

Don’t forgot the best character, the grokdrul ghoul!

[cyan crest]

Nooo, she's happy now with Clem in his fort

[balmy storm]

I didn’t know popcorn was a she

New lore

[cyan crest]

I want to think it is the want I Helped defect in ghoul purges

[cyan crest]

Neither did I but who cares, popcorn is popcorn, I just used she

[balmy storm]

Popcorn is popcorn

[kind panther]

Cause they go pop when crushed

[balmy storm]

I want to donate grokdrul to the grokdrul ghoul

I don’t want it to do anything I just want to deposit it

[kind panther]

I dont need it so I second this

[balmy storm]

Actually, nvm, I want it to do one thing

It makes him do a funny dance

[kind panther]

I want it to play a tune like “im the ghoul of grokdrul give me grokdrul”

[balmy storm]

No music, just him singing

[cyan crest]

No words, just sjfodydlfupdoavclwwidiud

That should be the lyrics

[kind panther]

🤩

[balmy storm]

Beautiful

[scarlet basalt]

Is Naarmer the second cult ?
"Someone else is pulling the string"
"People take willingly the mask"

[kind panther]

iirc the veil shows your biggest/deepest desires and brings them to reality

[scarlet basalt]

This sound like a manmade horror.
Like a simple one :
"As war wages on this solar system, you who is powerless, would you take the mask, the one that allow you see your deepest/biggest desire coming to you ?"

[kind panther]

Most stable narmer creation

[scarlet basalt]

Easily people could say yes, not facing the reality of the war,societal pressure (Fortuna) or other things.
Most of warframe is centering around the tenno, but if we could see from a POV of a guy in Fortuna, why wouldn't you take the mask, it feel absolutely useless to continue this war where you can't even win.

[peak mason]

The Veil gives you visions of dead people you held important to you and use them to twist your mindset to Ballas’s needs
making the Tenno seem evil and like he was the victim of them

Basically it’s just gaslighting via close people

[kind panther]

So thats why the drifter hears lotus

As our tenno didn’t get that long with their parents tbh

[obtuse gyro]

but uh

[scarlet basalt]

Thinking about the devs who are thinking of making manmade horror that isn't beyond our comprehension

[obtuse gyro]

lotus wasnt dead

[orchid remnant]

i don't think it was just dead people either

[kind panther]

She was lost

And in a dying state iirc

[cyan crest]

The part about it just being dead people is a bit... Made up I'd say

[obtuse gyro]

so this "dead loved ones" or "lost loved ones" sounds like someone's headcannon as far as we can see

[orchid remnant]

cause when the ostron guy had the veil put on it repeated that bit: "Ostron clades starved from tenno tithe..."

[peak mason]

I thought I read it on there but I checked again and it was not there
I’m just braindead

[kind panther]

[orchid remnant]

so yeah i think the dead person thing is made up as well

[obtuse gyro]

classic wiki folks, making up shiz as they go along

[scarlet basalt]

Dead people seems made up tbh.
But it's also something about POV, so most likely people who wears the mask will see their loved one who are dead.
But our tenno doesn't have much connection,tbh i don't understand why not the parents but whatever

[cyan crest]

Tuvul was totally on the zariman

[peak mason]

Though Ballas does see Marg who is dead

[cyan crest]

When looking at Lotus who has the same face

[peak mason]

yea

[scarlet basalt]

i wonder if the one who is pulling the string is erra, or something else 🤔
Like Erra seems way too plausible because it allow him much more than before as ballas isn't on the top

[kind panther]

Or it could just be it reveals their biggest desires like I originally theorised

[peak mason]

Well I’m assuming the Drifter’s biggest desire isn’t the downfall of the Tenno sooooooo

[cyan crest]

I'd say it's part desire part making you love Ballas

[scarlet basalt]

drifter's biggest desire would be literally leaving the duviri paradox tho 😭
But they got it 👍

[peak mason]

Yeah

[cyan crest]

Which they already had done.

[kind panther]

Or narmer in general but yea most likely ballas

[scarlet basalt]

Man, i wonder how much happy drifter would be when they literally left

[cyan crest]

Not much when they saw the state of the world

[scarlet basalt]

Dead inside > Leave the duviri paradox > Really happy > See the state of not his own solar system > Dead inside

This is one hell of a ride

[peak mason]

I’m assuming Drifter was all excited and stuff only to see the hellhole he emerged into

[scarlet basalt]

"An archon ! Drifter please be wary of that"
"I fought a literal dragon so idc"

[peak mason]

“I killed a giant wyrm with a pair of Nikana do you think I am afraid”

Y’know
they could probably put Warframe anims on the Drifter now that I think about it
Drifter already uses some of the default frame ones

God just
Drifter with Wisp anims

[scarlet basalt]

drifter wisp anims but you see your own operator with the clone thing smilar to equinox

[kind panther]

Drifter with Yareli anims

[peak mason]

Oooo that actually could make sense

[scarlet basalt]

Void always make sense

[peak mason]

Void Always makes sense
Void Never makes sense

[kind panther]

ETERNALISM

[scarlet basalt]

There is no truth nor lies.

Go into internet arguments and say "eternalism say that i can't be wrong"

[kind panther]

Eternalism says your wrong and im right at least oncs

[peak mason]

So is Eternalism both true and false

[kind panther]

Trulse

[peak mason]

that’s the real question

[graceful zodiac]

No

[scarlet basalt]

No and yes

[peak mason]

Or is it the one universal constant

[graceful zodiac]

It's a fact of the universe, yes

[scarlet basalt]

So there's a multiverse of me where i succeed in life

[kind panther]

That exists you just need to stop playing warframe

[scarlet basalt]

nvm i like Failing

[kind panther]

Lmao

[obtuse gyro]

In warframe eternalism just means that the reality that you are right, and the reality where you are wrong are both equally as real.

In the warframe sense this is only achieved in the void

[cyan crest]

Multiverse theory doesn't factor in universes where it is not real
Because that doesn't make sense

Well eternalism in warframe is multiverse theory mixed with actual eternalism so it doesn't factor in for realities where it doesn't exist either
Because that doesn't make sense

[dire flare]

i just got to a sidecave and got out and this hand yoinked me

[kind panther]

Basically the golden maws have a trail you can see in the bones wait for that ti get as far away from where you need to go then just leg it to the next rock repeat that

[dire flare]

mkmk

[kind panther]

It becomes easier

[dire flare]

im past it thank you

[kind panther]

Np

[dire flare]

There is no maw, no bone trail and what is this ability

Nvm there is most certainly a maw

Figured it out

[winged flax]

LOL

[dire flare]

💀

[balmy storm]

The ravenous, golden maw

[dire flare]

why does it have to be ravenous

[balmy storm]

[dire flare]

oh so the operator is slightly more powerful than i thought

bro just teleported

ohhh nooo

she didnt teleport she took control of my khor- nvm she teleported

[balmy storm]

Does the hatred of children quirk for liches apply to the drifter?

[cyan crest]

I think so

[balmy storm]

The drifter is a child confirmed

[dire flare]

how do i down this queens shields to steal her scepter

[orchid remnant]

You wait for it to go down

Then sling through to get the staff

[dire flare]

got it ty

also the voice actress for this thing did amazing my lord

allying with teshins syndicate this insant

[cyan crest]

I wonder how active the Conclave community is in PS4
Dead, like all of them

[indigo plank]

Teshins syndicate is the conclave

[dire flare]

what is the conclave

[balmy storm]

How active is it on switch?

[dire flare]

i noticed it in arsenal

[indigo plank]

p v p

[cyan crest]

Teshin's syndicate and the pvp mode
It's dead

[dire flare]

oh GOD 💀

[indigo plank]

Dead, buried, and forgotten

[cyan crest]

Ded

[balmy storm]

Revive it

[indigo plank]

Veilbreaker maybe

[cyan crest]

There's like 4 players in switch dude I cannot get them all to play conclave

[balmy storm]

What does veilbreaker have to do with that

[dire flare]

i do not like pvp in mostly pve games

• cough * destiny 2 *cough *

[indigo plank]

Maybe balanced pvp? If no frames exist, and the movement is worse

It could work

[balmy storm]

Hard pass until we see how Kahl actually plays

[cyan crest]

If he plays any different from the new war

[indigo plank]

Yeah. Also now that I think about it it'd be the best occasion to actually introduce rather challenging raids

Maybe against other archons

[dire flare]

who is kahl

[balmy storm]

You’ll find out

[cyan crest]

You'll meet him

[indigo plank]

The most based character

[cyan crest]

Soon enough

[balmy storm]

Soon

[icy minnow]

Are MOA's worth putting time into ?

[autumn turret]

at least warframe rebalanced the guns for the pvp mode

[light acorn]

In my opinion after getting a vulpaphyla they are not really worth it. They have their uses but not enough to make them that viable

[dire flare]

Yeah thats the thing that i dont like about mixing pvp into a pve game, rebalancing for pvp affecting pve

[autumn turret]

well no the 2 have different stats

thats also why not all frames and guns can be used in conclave

[dire flare]

Yeah warframe definitely does it better than destiny did

Your gunshots no reg in mid air in pve destiny cause jumping was too opressive in pvp

[light acorn]

Sadly the 'Conclave' side of the game is mostly dead because it's blended in with such small importance

[dire flare]

Lol

[autumn turret]

i mean destiny's is only active because they constantly require it

[craggy solstice]

This seems like a #players-helping-players question really. I mean, I'm not sure why you'd ask in spoiler chat?

[glossy girder]

Does anyone have a schedule of events for the game this year? For example: this month would be the event of the infested.

[flat shadow]

We don't really have a schedule like that, no

[balmy storm]

DE doesn’t really do that for the year

[dire flare]

is this quill guy like dr strange or something

whys he talking abt other futures and stuff

[kind panther]

We dont know smth about the unum i think

[dire flare]

is he where i can get the bounties to hunt eidolons or somewhere else?

[kind panther]

Eido bounties appear from konzu at night

[dire flare]

ohhhh right thankya

[kind panther]

You definitely dont want to do them yet

What thing did you choose from the rewards?

[dire flare]

a blueprint for an amp

[kind panther]

Raplak is a good early prism to have

[dawn raven]

Yeah took me a while to do them myself whenever I came back

[dire flare]

like a component

[kind panther]

Name?

[dire flare]

def not raplak

[dawn raven]

And I still can only do 2 of them solo

[dire flare]

but i dont remember

[kind panther]

One of the best prisms

[dire flare]

why shouldnt i go for eidolons though

will it be that i cant do damage ?

[dawn raven]

It's pretty hard for new comers

[dire flare]

eh im pretty good at being way in over my head

[kind panther]

Your mote amp will NOT crack their shield efficiently enough

[dire flare]

so they wont die or it will take too long ?

[kind panther]

Trust me i was the same before i got mucking demolished by a roaming terralyst

[dire flare]

if it bleeds i can kill it

[kind panther]

Take too long

[dire flare]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mandalorian-odds-like-those-odds-gif-15541855

[kind panther]

You need high dmg weapons rubico prime is a popular choice

[balmy storm]

Gotta do it before the sun comes up

[dawn raven]

When I came back with basic mote and no good weapon it took me 30 minute to crack it's shield

base eidolon, not any of the others you can do

[dire flare]

what happens to them when its sunny

[balmy storm]

They go back into the floor

[dawn raven]

they run away like

[dire flare]

ah yeah

i would absolutely spend however many hours tryna take one out but

[kind panther]

They get eaten by water

[dire flare]

if they dissapear at day nvmmmm

hydroid the eidolon killer

[balmy storm]

The magnetic water eats eidolons

[dawn raven]

That's why he's so weak, because he is busy holding all the eidolons back

[dire flare]

ok but then how do i get a good amp ?

[kind panther]

At least they have a spawning and despawn animation

[dawn raven]

can only use about 5% of his power

[kind panther]

Rank up quills

[dawn raven]

Get Volt/Volt Prime

[balmy storm]

Wait a minute, why didn’t we get a magnet frame for PoE

[round nacelle]

quills and little duck

[dawn raven]

3 op for breaking shields

[dire flare]

hmm best way to do that seems to me like hanging out around good eidolon hunters and picking up all the sentient stuff

[dire flare]

i chose him at the start over mag and excalibur

[balmy storm]

Good choice

[dawn raven]

Mistake, Mag is bae, but good choice still

[balmy storm]

Remember when they added a power to mag because she didn’t have it even though she did it in a trailer

[dire flare]

i assumed basically ninja thor would do better than a magnet and a kitchen knife

[dawn raven]

Magnet is op op

[dire flare]

khora is the bae-ist bae

[dawn raven]

I'd say Valkyr (prime) would be

[round nacelle]

easy way to get in groups right now is to be a healer either trinity or whisp so you can keep the lures alive. watch recruiting chat and try to get in a 3x3 group just be up front with them that you are new to it there are alot of little tricks but don't mind just carrying someone through.

[dire flare]

oh wait im forgetting

the rootin tootin cow girl

mesa >>>>>

[dawn raven]

Nah I like emo kitty of Beyblade deaths

[dire flare]

W opinion tbf

[rain otter]

Hmmmmm

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WARFRAME (@PlayWarframe)

A mad scientist's lab dripping in malicious intent is key to the story of the 50th Warframe.

Tune in to Devstream 163 on August 26 at 2 p.m. ET for the full Styanax Anime reveal and more information on Veilbreaker! https://t.co/AIIX5ZO1ZR

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Does anyone wanna try to guess who's lab this is?

[orchid remnant]

Javi

[rain otter]

Idk who that is

Wait that's Lavos's snake Man

He's dead also idk if this looks like Archimedian

[fleet veldt]

Looks Corpus. Probably Alad's. Could be Tengus' given the higher-level Grineer research he's up to and the fact that Vay Hek went from Bombard-lookalike to cyborg mecha Grineer that accidentally foreshadowed necramechs.

[cyan crest]

Given how Sty is gonna have a leverian, this is a lab from someone we don't know yet

I'm guessing it's probably the lair of the main antagonist of his leverian

[balmy storm]

I’m curious if this individual will be connected to Narmer and the rest of Veilbreaker

[orchid remnant]

Hmm…green test tubes/chambers, many computers…cephalons can be installed in computers…cephalon fog is green…

[orchid remnant]

Is there something you’re not telling us?

[balmy storm]

Cephalon Fog is canon?

[green cargo]

definitely

[graceful zodiac]

Only in dreams

[solar palm]

[ionic sleet]

Please don't upload unrelated media.

[solar palm]

XD

[cyan crest]

I wish

[cyan crest]

Noooo.....

[random heath]

Bruh

[icy ore]

Could styanax be the answers to "what was Alad V doing during new War" ?

[flat shadow]

Possibly. The concept art looks like a corpus lab.

[frail nymph]

Corpus existed during the old war

No war Alad's gonna randomly manage to create a Warframe

[frail nymph]

Also there wouldn't be a leverian for him if that were the case

[icy ore]

Except if Alad was studying it, no creating it

And the leverian could be about how it escaped the lab

[frail nymph]

Leverians are stories from the old war era. They are historical accounts pieced together from scraps of evidence by Drusus Leverian.

[icy ore]

Ooooh okay, didn’t really realise that, that’s cool. Thanks for the explanation

[primal nexus]

are necramechs considered spoiler? like... the existance of them?

does that mean no?

[real niche]

The only things that are spoiler are anything relating to Operator and everything past The New War.
So basically any main story thing starting with the quest Natah.

[primal nexus]

considering the necramechs super require the operator to use you can kinda see where my brain went "i should double checccckkk"

[real niche]

The mechs themselves are everywhere and do jack squat story-wise so no one cares

See also: Railjack and Paracesis.

[primal nexus]

wait how is a weapon intrinsicly tied with story quest not... wat?

[real niche]

Because it really isn't.
Especially when they didn't add in the requirement that you had to own it to progress in the game.
The weapon itself doesn't mean much.

That's why people casually ask for Nataruk builds.
See also: Broken War, who has just as much plot relevance, that being very little.

[primal nexus]

lol i guess that makes sense

[real niche]

They even lampshade it in The New War, giving you a copy of it temporarily even if you didn't make it.

[primal nexus]

hahah yeahhhhhh..... true

[real niche]

So yeah, not a main quest that's farther than Natah, a basic piece of gear that's required for quests going forward, no big deal.

That's the easy checklist for what you're not "allowed" to spoil.

[primal nexus]

cool

[frosty elk]

do I need to spoiler arcane mods and eidolons

[sharp spoke]

Not here, or in lore discussion

[kind panther]

No

[sharp spoke]

Well, I guess not eidolons at all

[kind panther]

Eidos spawn naturally at night so an mr0 could encounter them

[sharp spoke]

Spoiler chat is pretty much fair game for everything that's out right now

[primal nexus]

isn't the point of spoiler chat is that anything pretty much goes?

[kind panther]

Basically regardless of how late game it is

[sharp spoke]

Indeed

[primal nexus]

(was confused on the qualifier of "that's out right now" )

[kind panther]

Basically the normal rule of nothing past second dream unless marked as a spoiler is gone here

[real niche]

Late but no.

[sharp spoke]

That's my bad, shouldn't have included that. Veilbreaker is fine, duviri is fine. All content that has currently been shown, released or not, is fine.

[remote mortar]

Remembering the new war events I'm a little confused about Ordis. 1.- When and where did he got his ghost-like body.
2.- How did he survived lotus attack?

[balmy storm]

I don’t think we know when exactly or where he got the body but he survived because that was a robot body and he’s a cephalon, I don’t think he was fully uploaded to it

Him surviving does kinda lessen his sacrifice though

[lone axle]

eternalism
that's the operator's ordis not the drifter's

[remote mortar]

Oh right he could be "Installed" in multiple devices. You're right.

[lone axle]

choosing the drifter reveals this because ordis does not recognize you at first

[remote mortar]

Wait he was from Duviri?

[balmy storm]

No

Drifter does not have an Ordis

[orchid remnant]

Yeah I’m pretty sure Ordis just rebuilt his body

[lone axle]

we don't see just one ordis
im calling the one that's been working with the drifter the drifter's ordis
the one we have after nw is op's

[orchid remnant]

Maybe he hadn’t calibrated his sensors yet

[balmy storm]

They are the same ordis, eternalism is not an explanation for everything

[lone axle]

it doesnt feel like they're the same one
if so then after the choice between drifter and operator ordis would recognize the drifter

[balmy storm]

Well they are the same one

[lone axle]

im not convinced

[balmy storm]

Ordis recognizes the Drifter as the Operator because technically they are the same person, it simply is just a habit for them to call them the Operator
There is no difference between pre-TNW Ordis and post-TNW Ordis.

Aside from visuals, but even then we see his physical body in the sacrifice

[lone axle]

"Excuse me, but where is my Operator?"
"Looks like I'm your operator for now."

[remote mortar]

LoL I kinda started an Ordis war. Sorry

[thick jolt]

Drifter didnt get rescued was never a tenno and so didnt get supplied with ordis

[lone axle]

eternalism is essentially multiverse theory
there's more than 2 timelines
you could say "oh this ballas was a tenno" and be right at some point in time

[balmy storm]

Technically Duviri’s Ordis wouldn’t even be in Duviri if they even exist at all

Eternalism is not an answer for everything, it doesn’t explain Ordis’ new body nor does it make sense for it to
And I’d imagine if it was they would have explained that somewhere

[lone axle]

they explained with this line of dialogue that the ordis you were dealing with after lotus destroyed him was a different one

[balmy storm]

Also again, we see Ordis’ body in the sacrifice

[balmy storm]

How does that explain that??

[lone axle]

ordis would have recognized the drifter if he was the same one
since they worked together for so long
but he doesn't

[orchid remnant]

I’m pretty sure that that line just is Ordis asking where the original operator was after the whole explosion thingy, and drifter says that they’re still around for now

[balmy storm]

They’re just questioning where the operator is since they were there

[orchid remnant]

Ordis no doubt recognized the drifter, just that he wanted to see his old operator again

[lone axle]

i never saw it like that

[thick jolt]

Just going to assume grimgirl didnt play the same new war the rest of us did

[balmy storm]

And nothing else but the misinterpretation of that quite suggests of another timeline Ordis

[lone axle]

having an abnormal perspective in life does not mean i didnt play the same quest

unless you chose operator

[thick jolt]

Drifter couldnt have an ordis because he was never rescued, never became a tenno, and thus was never supplied with either an orbiter or ordis

[lone axle]

here's how ive always seen that event
ordis 1, our old ordis meets drifter after getting stabbed
ordis 1 explodes protecting us
ordis 2 enters the scene as the orbiter's frontal section is reattached due to the timeline convergence that was the drifter and operator handshake with wally

[balmy storm]

There is no Ordis 2 though
there’s his 2nd body but that’s about it

[lone axle]

there has to be or the sacrifice ordis makes has zero impact. at all

and also my other logic falls apart

[balmy storm]

Yeah, it has zero impact

That’s the problem with it, it’s just a sacrifice that means nothing in the end

All it means is Ordis has backup physical bodies

[lone axle]

the way my head works doesn't let me see it like that
my perspective is. well, let's just say rell is relatable in multiple ways

i see the numbers very differently

[remote mortar]

It's like Khal sacrifice the but glad he is still alive.

then*

[balmy storm]

Well the truth is more likely Ordis has backup bodies rather than other timeline Ordis’
If we did have an Ordis from another timeline I’d imagine they would also spell that out as clearly as possible

[lone axle]

as well explained as the gradivus dilemma for new players

[balmy storm]

I’m kinda glad Erra interrupted his sacrifice too, cause I’d rather an alive Kahl
Plus realistically that bomb wouldn’t have done enough, even if it took out the Orphix

I bet Kahl’s quest will start with him breaking out of Narmer jail

[lone axle]

vey hek is kinda stupid too
"oh sure, our best lancer is gonna blow himself up i see nothing wrong with this"

[balmy storm]

I mean, they kinda lost anyway

[orchid remnant]

They can always make him again

I wonder what happened to Hek tbh

[lone axle]

i feel like a large number of political figures in the system died resisting or lived in secret

[balmy storm]

True, but Kahl potentially exhibits the defection trait, being more for his brother than the queens themselves, so idk if they’d want to replicate that on mass

[lone axle]

#players-helping-players not spoiler

[dire flare]

oh oof thiswas the last chat i was in and its usually php sorry

[remote mortar]

I wonder what happened to the whole Grineer faction during New War. I doubt the queen(s) surrendered that easily

[balmy storm]

I’d imagine the queen(s) just hid or submitted to Ballas and Narmer

I wanna know what Parvos and the Corpus Board did

[remote mortar]

Didn't the Corpus had an alliance with the sentients?

Maybe the Grineer queen is still under the veil's effects

[lone axle]

no that was just alad v
the corpus is not a singular entity

[remote mortar]

Oh. So Alad was like a traitor to the Corpus doctrine?

[balmy storm]

He’s always been that way, it’s fine

[lone axle]

alad was specifically going against the board and has repeatedly done so in the past (gradivus, zanuka, mutalist alad v, amalgam project, and new war) and has a repeatedly shaky alliance/rivalry between the entire system

[balmy storm]

And yet we still saved him to spite Nef Anyo

[lone axle]

Nef Anyo sucks

[balmy storm]

He does

He’s also just stupid

[lone axle]

but hey, at least alad gave us the domestik drone

And yeah nef is very stupid
one of the more sensible members of the board, frohd bek, was like. dont mess with the tenno as one of his policies
he was the one that let us find alad's lab in lore and get valkyr back

but now he's dead cause ergo doesn't like sharing

at least parvos, who wants to mess with the tenno, knows how to mess with them effectively
he had a warframe as a bodyguard, and was around during the orokin era, he probably commissioned a design for a warframe or two to ballas himself back in the day

[gray nexus]

i heard some sort of crossplay feature was announced, is that true?

[lone axle]

it's been in the works for a long, long time monke

[gray nexus]

oh

so is it worth restarting on pc and abandon playing on switch?

[lone axle]

no
testing is soon iirc

[gray nexus]

okay

[remote mortar]

Remember Crossplay is not the same as Crossave.

[gray nexus]

wait so i cant move my switch progress onto pc?

[lone axle]

nope

[remote mortar]

Nope. That would be latter.

[gray nexus]

is that ever going to be possible?

[remote mortar]

Yeah they say it was one of their objectives. We just need to wait pal.

[lone axle]

they said crossplay was higher priority, but it was a priority

[gray nexus]

oh okay good!

thanks!

[remote mortar]

You're welcome. Btw I love your Lechonk profil picture.

[gray nexus]

thanks!

[round ermine]

which might take a week, or 20 years.

[lone axle]

knowing DE with primed soon™️

[round ermine]

pretty much

[lone axle]

and also the fact that the team is being split for soulframe

[round ermine]

hopefully that's not going to turn out a garbage fire like Amazon's LotR wannabe.

[lone axle]

yeah
my friend wants to drag me into soulframe, which i might go there? not sure honestly

at this point im waiting for it to come out so i can see reviews and gameplay

[round ermine]

remains seen. If it's anything as "captivating" as WF, why not (speaking with 5000+ hours of WF...)

[lone axle]

true
though i was brought into wf with the worst frame in the game at the time 🐒 so i may be more easily swayed

[orchid remnant]

I guess that technically this is not the chat for it, but why do you think this way? It seems not bad to me, though they took a few too many cues from the movies

[round ermine]

there's unspeakable words to explain why and how.

[orchid remnant]

Hmm

[round ermine]

in general, it's a dumpster fire of "diversity"

[orchid remnant]

Ohh that’s why 💀

Nevermind

[round ermine]

there's place for diversity, but the place is not where lore doesn't state so. Ergo...

[orchid remnant]

Yeah I have heard the argument

[round ermine]

it's not an argument really, it's a fact more so.

[orchid remnant]

Alr

[round ermine]

kudos to the actors, but their skills would serve better elsewhere.

[thick jolt]

They did hire more people to compensate the team working on soulframe

[lone axle]

oh
that's good then

[orchid remnant]

I want to be hired by digitalis extremes I would add so many cool things like a new type of person named Konzu

[robust spade]

Does anyone know who the next prime Warframe will be?

[graceful zodiac]

Should be Rev iirc

[robust spade]

Nice then gauss right?

[graceful zodiac]

No, Baruuk

[robust spade]

Damn…

[supple dagger]

Gauss comes in 2023 unfortunately:/

Cant wait tho for his prime

I’m 100% gonna buy his prime access since he’s literally my favorite Warframe

[ocean jungle]

It should be rev than baruuk

[rain otter]

Rev Or Baruuk.

[balmy storm]

Rev, Baruuk, Hildryn, Wisp

[north trail]

Oh god the impending wisp prime

[final pebble]

i hope DE pulls a fast one on all of us and makes her flat as a board

[kind panther]

[north trail]

"a peek at the first quest in veilbreaker"?

Excuse me, first?

[kind panther]

Multiple stages like new war maybe?

[north trail]

New war is still one quest though

[kind panther]

Mhm

[north trail]

Maybe like prelude to war's chapter mechanic but they're playable instead of a single cutscene each

Or it's 2 separate small quests?

Like the "veilbreaker" quest, (re)introducing kahl gameplay, and a second quest

Maybe for styanax?

[kind panther]

I want veso back

[faint sierra]

Hes dead :C

[kind panther]

No i refuse

[swift pond]

Mesa Prime disagrees, it'll be the reverse.

[sharp spoke]

[indigo plank]

Mesa prime litteraly got her butt nerfed before release

[swift pond]

Still a buff from the base version. I can only give credit for what they gave me, not what it could have been.

[peak mason]

I at least want some form of Corpus Tech gameplay again
Veso was by far the character I enjoyed playing most in that section of New War

[swift pond]

Playable Grineer and Corpus should definitely stick around in some form or another. Lost a bit of hope for them replacing/adapting to Invasions, but am glad Khal is making a comeback at least.

[kind panther]

Maybe as a form of conclave with veso and kahl being elites like Arkham origins multiplayer

[torpid lantern]

His was my favorite gameplay too!

[torpid lantern]

That's such a great idea for invasions! Chekyah! I didn't even think of that. I forget to play invasions all the time because I have what I need. I'd totally play for fun if they had the New War mechanics!

[final pebble]

i enjoyed veso's section a lot, but it was mostly for his character. the fight with the jackal at the end was infuriating for me 😂 every time i got the darn thing stunned, i would turn around and find out a stupid moa had killed all my bots again >:(

[cyan crest]

That's why you link the Shield osprey to the breacher moa right as you summon them

[jagged crane]

I can relate to that. Also just wasn’t very clear in what you needed to do, I took like literally 10 minutes before I figured out I was supposed to use the bot to blow him up because every time I tried it ended up dead before it got to the middle so I thought it was designed to not be able to blow it up. Think I even had to wiki it to see that I was supposed to do that.

[final pebble]

you could link the bots? wouldve been useful to know that

[cyan crest]

If you use the ability to tell the shield osprey where to go right on one of the moas, it will "link" to it, and follow it around

[final pebble]

"order them to a location" was all i remember being prompted to do. i didnt know i could order one to follow the other. 😔

[cyan crest]

Also if you do that with the breacher moa on the Jackal it'll blow up without you having to shoot it

[scarlet basalt]

New tweet dropped, now people have to do theories

"Something sinister is stirring under these peaceful waters, Tenno. "

Yareli rework kappa

[jagged crane]

You had to make the osprey give shields to the moa in several sections otherwise it’d die lol
Including the last 2 phases of the jackal

[jagged crane]

That’s Cetus. Other that that I don’t have a clue about anything lol

[graceful zodiac]

Does look like Cetus, which would mean an Eidolon thing

Or a Tengus/Tyl Sea lab

[scarlet basalt]

A ceremony in cetus ?
Like in the middle of the city we can see some maybe particular thing that look like that

But it may be a stretch since it isn't that opened.
Tbh it look like a literal new places 🤔 BUt the lightings are very much cetus's light and other planets doesn't have, i think those buildings

[indigo plank]

Hmm I saw those flowers already. In the warframe cinematic trailer

[graceful zodiac]

Lotuses, yes

[indigo plank]

They were put in front of the three frames

So is this a tenno graveyard?

[scarlet basalt]

Surely the lotus's flower will have more meaning after and after ?
Maybe more about how it could be linked to sentient ? Or lotus will have no more meaning than current one

[jagged crane]

I say it’s Cetus cuz

1. It’s got that orokin-ruin-that’s-been-reinhabited look
2. It’s got those cloth things that Cetus has everywhere (which is frankly the most convincing thing)

[simple python]

Oh is this about the new opening and tutorial all the way back in like... 2020? I think it's just a symbol for the Lotus waking up the derelict Tenno.

[jagged crane]

Anyone ever thought that the girl who put the flowers there and then disappeared was actually a Tenno and her disappearing was her entering the Warframe that we choose 👀

[graceful zodiac]

It is. The Lotus already has meaning as a symbol of...the Lotus

[graceful zodiac]

That's exactly the point, yes

[jagged crane]

But she’s a different Tenno from our operator, as in the Second Dream we see we’ve been sleeping on Lua for however many centuries

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh maybe they will explore with this update what they could do with the lotus symbol.
I find it very odd that it is something that we've seen on earth with the new opening cinematics, now it re appear ? without anything else tied to it. It is also an ephemera i think ?
I think they will explore the path of what happened ?

[jagged crane]

Soooo…

[graceful zodiac]

Yes. That girl is the main operator for the purposes of trailers and scripts

Players are the main operator for everything else

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh it's strange, there is her and also Hayden tenno.
So idk what they wanted

[graceful zodiac]

Are you talking about Drifter from the first trailer?

[scarlet basalt]

maybe it mean that... DE is based

[jagged crane]

Hayden is just stalker right? I figure it’d be the same kind of thing as with Harrow, outcast and never went to cryosleep

[scarlet basalt]

Hayden tenno is used from both the duviri trailer i think ?

[graceful zodiac]

No, there is no Hayden Tenno

[supple dagger]

Why does hunhow give stalker crappy heavy blade but gives us a bow with the power of the sun

[jagged crane]

I thought I’d seen something where Stalker was an Excalibur Tenno named Hayden something

[jagged crane]

Plot armor

[graceful zodiac]

They just used a male drifter to be able to visibly show an age difference from operator.

[scarlet basalt]

Hayden tenno is just the name of the protagonist of Dark sector.
Hayden tenno is now a reference for most of the trailer about drifter, which is really cool. (bcz they literally look alike)
But there is also the girl now

[wild copper]

Dark sector and Warframe are completely separate afaik
Warframe just draws a few visual aspects from dark sector

[simple python]

It's probably just "The Operative" that faceless person we hear about in survivals.

[scarlet basalt]

Yep, they're different, DE just want to show a little bit of fanservice with hayden tenno as the drifter

[jagged crane]

And that girl is the drifter from the new war trailer I assume too

[graceful zodiac]

The girl is the Operator from the New War trailer, yes

[scarlet basalt]

Or it mean she became a he 🧠

[jagged crane]

?

Not following

[graceful zodiac]

The trailer Drifter is just a nameless representative

[scarlet basalt]

I just wanted to do a joke but idk if it's bad taste

[jagged crane]

Idk, I hope they did the male drifter for Duviri because they wanted to show the facial hair cuz my biggest hope for Duviri is more drifter customization options (I love cosmetics in games lol)

[scarlet basalt]

i wonder what will happends with this concept art.
It seems so strange to pull out this, without anything but reference to cinematic opening trailer

[simple python]

It's probably just that. A memory.

[jagged crane]

What if it’s tied to the Mask Of The Revenant quest?

The whole point of that quest was that something was stirring under the plains and you need to make Revenant to protect them again

[simple python]

Nah, that's like the other frame quests. Trails.

That one just happens to be a cetus quest. Glad that they did have some lore for him... even if it was local.

[scarlet basalt]

House in cetus doesn't have multiple floor,this room is lifted by wooden bar which mean that it could be something in reconstruction ?
Silk are often used in cetus to some decoration.
There's water dripping ?

[simple python]

Oh. These. These aren't the opening architecture.

[jagged crane]

I was thinking maybe the very middle part of the floor isn’t solid, it could be a little water channel that the flowers are floating down

[simple python]

OH this

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe it mean that we could see in the future :
Kahl could discover beyond Unum protected area cetus/orokin housing that is destroyed by the radiation of earth ?
But idk if he has radiation suit

[jagged crane]

Lol watch as we start theorizing and then it’s like “oh we just meant we’re giving the hydrolyst water powers to match its name”

[scarlet basalt]

Just imagine if in the future, hydrolyst will get buffed and he will throw literal tsunami against you

[simple python]

Looks like a new Cetus locale. Definitely not Duviri... I think.

[jagged crane]

And it just insta-kills you cuz we all know if you touch water in Warframe you don’t survive lol

[simple python]

It could be, but considering the little gameplay we saw since that tennocon trailer... it seems awkward to shove a scenic area where there could be a battle.

[scarlet basalt]

"Something sinister is stirring under these peaceful waters" I still don't really understand what could happends.
What i know is that most sentients are supposed to be in eidolon state or really dead (thanks gara/unum)
What could stir (+ it's water,not coolant,not those jelly things) ?

[simple python]

But If it is a Yareli rework to fix some prominent issues... I'd enjoy that.

[jagged crane]

Hydroid rework

[scarlet basalt]

Yareli could have some use,but her abilities doesn't synergize well...
Which is strange because if it doesn't synergize it should be then just strong ?
Like Gyre is really good because it synergize well,even if it's not at base strong

[jagged crane]

Honestly, I think what’d be rly cool is if they made it so we could go into the water in the plains and it turns out there’s secret stuff under there

Defo shouldn’t keep submersible stuff exclusive to Uranus lol

[scarlet basalt]

Eidolon has infected the water, i doubt there's a way.
I think the only way is to clean the water tbh but there's the grineer who will always be here to annoy us

[kind panther]

Theres one mission on earth

[jagged crane]

Yeah but you can’t actually go into the water iirc because it’s mostly played by people who’re a long way off from unlocking archwings

[kind panther]

Fair

[scarlet basalt]

true, it could just be locked tbh then

[jagged crane]

I think when I went there for a Kiva Lich missions the other day I found some of the spots where you’d normally be able to jump into the water and if you went in it was just the black-screen-and-teleport-out result

[scarlet basalt]

Oh my god,
Imagine meeting a sentient that was partially destroyed inside the mariana's trench 👀
And it's waiting,the sentient waited years to be rescued by it's own species without knowing they were defeated.

[jagged crane]

Yo wait that’s actually sick

[scarlet basalt]

And their communication got broken by whatever attacked him

[scarlet basalt]

Imagine the pure feeling of despair when he see that it's not a sentient that rescued it.
But it saw his enemy...The Tenno

[simple python]

Imagine if this is just an entire update dedicated to Hydroid and Yareli

[kind panther]

Yareli can actually become sp viable in mext update

[scarlet basalt]

Water being redeemed, 2 frames and they couldn't stand the content that we're fighting

[simple python]

Of course, I should stand with Hydroid, Hydroid isn't bad, conceptually. All of his abilities work around his Undertow. I can't say the same for Yareli... unless it's all supposed to work together on Merulina. Which is what they're trying to go for in form?

I'll digress, Power Creep, Meta, yada yada

[jagged crane]

I haven’t played either of the frames so I can never even remember their abilities, I have hydroid sitting unranked in my inventory and I don’t even have Yareli yet

[scarlet basalt]

I was thinking that the opening cinematic trailer+ tenno in TNW cinematic trailer aren't the same people as we play.
The problem is that, it seems rather strange to show a tenno inside the cinematic trailer as a tenno and not a warframe as we see. But what i mean is that i don't think it's possible that a tenno (apart from rell) could have their physical form pre-second dream as they're in cryosleeping in Lua in the void.
Then, could she be the one who has some strange power in link with the void that isn't like most of our tenno ? One that can somehow reawaken the tenno from their sleeping state ?
So she has her own "ephemera" type of aura symbolizing the Lotus to guide us to her directives ?
What if Lotus has lost tennos because there wasn't many people like her to reawaken in time the tenno ?

[jagged crane]

Going on that thought, it could be something like Margulis’ spirit

Taking form in the things that gave her purpose

[scarlet basalt]

I don't think it could be.

I'm searching in cetus a place that could look like that but there isn't 😮

[frosty elk]

okay I just looked at the teaser trailer of Veilbreaker, and I got a few Questions:

1.Do yall think we will be playing as Kahl again?
2. Will it be some sort of post new war cleanup?
3. Will me possibly meet erra again?
4. Do y'all think we will need to fight the archons for the new frame (since they are in the trailer)

[kind panther]

Archons are planned to be part of a special mission type

[balmy storm]

We are going to be playing as Kahl
It will be Kahl beating back post-new war Natmer
It’s not Erra exactly as we know him
And we are gonna fight the archons, they seem to bring some new system

[real niche]

Erra is confirmed (actual spoilers for not-yet-released stuff) ||dead and turned into an Archon||

[kind panther]

If we fight archons like jackal where we disable it and stab it that’d be cool

[frosty elk]

I wish Veso survived :( lets hope Kahl doesnt die

[balmy storm]

Kahl won’t die because he’s part of a gameplay feature now

[frosty elk]

hmmm... Maybe we can permanently play him then?

like drifter and operator

[balmy storm]

We’ll at least be able to play him for his mission types, we have no word of outside those missions
I hope we can just decide to play as him for other missions, but I feel like he’ll be restricted to his own stuff

It kinda depends on how his movement and gameplay works compared to ours I think

[frosty elk]

It would be something at least

[balmy storm]

That’s true, it would be something at least
I kinda hope we can access him in Simu and Captura at the least

I’d also really love if Kahl got their own little private quarters we could decorate

[graceful zodiac]

There's no way he'll be a general option. Khal works because he plays in specifically tuned missions

[balmy storm]

I wonder how many and what missions types Kahl will have

[graceful zodiac]

There's not much to her, she's just the main Tenno for trailer purposes

Well, script purposes mainly

[balmy storm]

She is unimportant to the story

[frosty elk]

Imagine if we could play as Clem

[balmy storm]

If we don’t get a Clem Kahl skin it will be a crime

[frosty elk]

Kahl is good but Clem is something else

[kind panther]

@gleaming shore

[gleaming shore]

Hehehehheheh

[fleet veldt]

Clem, Darvo, and Veso-R (if he survived - which is possible; some Corpus have survived crazy things, look at Nef or Alad) working with Kahl should be a thing.

[scarlet basalt]

I have an headcannon that clem rush to the enemies with dual grakata

[balmy storm]

Veso’s deader than a doorknob

[graceful zodiac]

He did not survive, explicitly dead from Reb

[jagged crane]

Has anyone thought that Veilbreaker is actually going to be us playing as Kahl trying to overthrow the influence of one of the veils, hence the name?
It would be interesting because it means we could be seeing a world that’s a complete 180 from what reality is

[balmy storm]

Kahl better work with Steel Meridian, it’s too perfect for him not to at least acknowledge them

[balmy storm]

It’s just gonna be us fighting against Narmer forces, probably starts with Kahl escaping a Narmer sentient prison like we seee

[frosty elk]

If hes not under Vay Heks influence and Ignores his commands, he surely will

[graceful zodiac]

It entirely depends on whether he's actually disloyal to the Queens.

[scarlet basalt]

I don't think he is going to break the entire naarmer force, but it will advance way more on what is happening. But what if,it's us that break the naarmer force ? And we have a recurrent big threat who is erra ?

[fleet veldt]

I do hope Kahl gets along with Cressa Tal; they could be an interesting pairup.

As for Kahl's loyalties, it's to his brothers/sisters in arms, not kle Queens.
He realised this before Erra Veiled him.

[jagged crane]

Idk if they’d make him join steel meridian because of players who would be enemies with them based on their syndicate. He’d prolly be separate from them like Clem is

[balmy storm]

He potentially exhibits the defection gene

[scarlet basalt]

He seems to be one with less obediance things than his brothers tbh ?

[balmy storm]

Kahl’s his own man, who he joins doesn’t have to be tied to us
Red Veil can be mad at me and I’ll still help them in Chains of Harrow too so I don’t think it’s an issue

[graceful zodiac]

Caring about your fellow Grineer isn't a disloyal trait. We'd have to see him disobey orders.

[balmy storm]

True, but he does exhibit the potential for defection, caring more about his brothers than his Queens

[fleet veldt]

Maybe if kle Queens were to try and order him directly, he won't budge, but if it's a fellow Grineer who he respects, -then- yes.

As long as there's respect for his brothers/sisters he'll budge.
If we show him the Kavor and Steel Meridian situation, he might try to work something out.

[scarlet basalt]

What i mean is that he seems to have less obediance to the queen as he change the line to "queen" to "brother" as if he doesn't want to be here for her but for his brothers

[balmy storm]

I’m curious how the resources will get to us, the tenno, I mean for gameplay that has to happen but will there be an in-universe explanation?

[scarlet basalt]

Lotus feeding simulator

[balmy storm]

Lotus is Kahl’s Helminth
You throw food into her mouth

[fleet veldt]

Void-related muckery (i.e: we do the mission in another timeline in their place) or they... uh, donate it later on?

[frosty elk]

I would say Kahl teaming up with the tenno but that is highly unlikely

[fleet veldt]

Do not do this. It would be adorable.

[balmy storm]

Other timelines have nothing to do with this

Donation is the most likely tbh

[fleet veldt]

The Void is a door to the possibility. It has all to do with is, in a possible future.

Isn't the one we'd be experiencing, but still.

[balmy storm]

I don’t think it’d be unlikely

[balmy storm]

That doesn’t mean new timelines open up to explain everything

The only timeline we interact with or will from what we know is our own and Duviri, and even then that’s just Duviri and not their version of the Origin System

[fleet veldt]

Timelines open up all the time. Every time you near-miss tripping over is but one example, and while it -is- nice to just hurl the 'what if' of it at random... Yeah.

They don't have to. It's just delicious brainfood.

Closest we've got to interacting with another timeline is the moment Drifter chats with Operator.

[balmy storm]

If they start using other timelines to explain everything then it’s just gonna be a mess and tbh, kinda lazy writing

[fleet veldt]

Depends on execution and does require twice the work for proper investment/payoff.

Closest we have to temporal weirdness is the Lua Void data vault situation.

[frosty elk]

Even if hes disobedient, I think he knows that the tenno are constantly killing his brothers and sisters, which is making it unlikely

[balmy storm]

That is true, we’ll have to wait and see
It could be that he’ll have a contact that’s a connection between him and the Tenno without Kahl knowing about it

[fleet veldt]

That said, in New War (before we got kicked out the game, ingame, by Ballas) we apparently managed to unite the Sol System against the Sentient threat.

We're yet to backstep and get content that showcases this happening - as in, how did we do that?

Even if it's just more scannables found in Narmer missions, that'd be sufficient. Just... some content, like meeting logs, short cinematics that look recorded on an old tape or the likes.

[jagged crane]

That’s wasn’t what was happening, it was that the Sentients were invading everywhere and everyone wanted to protect themselves and started fighting back.

[supple dagger]

I just think that Alad noticed the sudden threat and so did the Corpus supervisors so they turned tail on the amalgams and the sentients, and the Grineer just want conquest and already recognized them as a threat so it was an invasion mission type thing most likely. Working together for a United goal.

[frosty elk]

IMO, It feels like self defense instead of uniting the system

[fleet veldt]

According to memory, Parvos was already working on prepping up for the Sentient threat since Deadlock Protocol so there might've been chatter of a systemwide alliance to fight the Sentients even then.

I seem to recall that there was something ingame that mentioned that the fragile alliance that had formed collapsed with the rise/fall of Narmer.

[balmy storm]

I was hoping TNW was gonna be about a systemwide alliance, bringing so many characters into the spotlight
Parvos coulda helped, Little Duck coulda done more, etc
But Narmer being so powerful that everyone kinda just scatters is alright too 🤷‍♀️

[jagged crane]

You’re thinking of when Ordis said “Vox Solaris fell after Narmer took over” when you enter Fortuna in new war

[fleet veldt]

I'm sure Lotus/Natah mentioned something about it as well, but my memory must be hazy; it's past midnight here.

[jagged crane]

Yeah I just played through it recently and watched someone else play it even more recently and I don’t remember anything other than he Vox Solaris quote

[fleet veldt]

I found it. It's in the post-New War message/Codex page.

[twin star]

Don't know if this counts as a spoiler but it happens during a quest)) I must say "Sleeping in the Cold Below" slaps in my opinion

[jagged crane]

Amen brotha

[kind panther]

Fr

?

[oak gull]

That’s ballas

[kind panther]

I see

[unique jetty]

In new war there are a lot of times when operator is forced out of warframe in cinematics
Does umbra excal reacts differently, or does he also falls down motionless?

[graceful zodiac]

He falls down. Umbra isn't getting special treatment in general quest

[unique jetty]

I see, thanks

[still pollen]

https://i.imgur.com/1VbU8fS.jpeg

what am i looking for?

[latent ferry]

umbra's face or something, keep looking

[steady gate]

no, this section

[latent ferry]

just keep looking around, what you're looking 4 is on the floor, behind the big cylinder

[steady gate]

it looks like a thing on a chain, should be in this area (colored in part of the map)

[still pollen]

did i find it ?

https://i.imgur.com/ObnQSag.png

[steady gate]

yes

[latent ferry]

y ask the obv