spoiler-chat

[north trail]

Yeah it's pretty useless

[balmy storm]

I think it could be neat to unlock prime power

[north trail]

Maybe archon crystals can make any prime work like umbra?

[balmy storm]

Idek what that would entail

[north trail]

Or as a companion maybe?

[balmy storm]

Ehhh, I think they scrapped that idea, in like 2019 they showed off they could have done it and it was gonna be part of lua disruption or something but it just didnt happen

[north trail]

Archon companions would be nice

[balmy storm]

Archon companions would be interesting

But I fail to see how that’s a new system

Same with umbra sentience, that isn’t really new, more scrapped and used by one frame

I really hope it doesn’t just end up being a way to get new cosmetics for Kahl or something smh

[north trail]

Nah I don't think they'd do sortie tier weekly missions just for cosmetics for kahl

[balmy storm]

I’d sure hope not

[north trail]

Also archon hunt and kahl seem pretty separate

[balmy storm]

If it’s a weekly thing that makes me feel like it’s either a time consuming system or something powerful that you need to work toward

I’m leaning towards powerful something cause it’s warframe
but that could be equally true of a time consuming thing lol

[north trail]

Honestly if they let us graft archons onto prime frames i sure hope it doesn't force you into the archon helmets

[balmy storm]

If the camera is pulled back when you have an archon head I’d be fine with that

[north trail]

Didn't even think of the camera

I'd just be mad it doesn't fit zephyr harrier

[balmy storm]

If it’s archon heads that you can put on frames then I wonder if there could be more in future updates
But we also haven’t gotten a new mech since bonewidow so idk

[north trail]

They JUST added a syandana that fits harrier

[balmy storm]

What one?

[north trail]

The titania deluxe one

[balmy storm]

I have good luck with Gauss’ and Hildryn’s syandanas

Ah, I could see how that works

[north trail]

Some other veilbreaker speculation:

What will the "special event" for the first weeks of styanax being out

I hope there's a special node that's something like the sevagoth part in call of the tempestarii

[balmy storm]

Which part?

[north trail]

The one with sleeping in the cold below

Letting us try him out

[balmy storm]

Ah, that could be cool

I doubt Styanax will have to do with the quest, but if we do and we get to demo him I hope it’s throw a flashback after finding his helmet or spear and shield or something, to see where a warrior fell and then “live” that last fight

But yeah, I doubt they’ll have anything to do with the quest itself ):

I do hope we get a face for Narmer though, rn we just have a logo

I wanna know who’s leading it now

[north trail]

Yeah not the quest

The event Rebecca teased in that interview

[balmy storm]

The animation?

[opal rapids]

He's shipping with veilbreaker, the Kahl cosplay mode

[swift pond]

Got hit with a Cy quote I'm fairly curious about:
"Meditation: the opposite of a small truth is a lie. The opposite of a great truth, is a great truth"
Just mulling over what that means.

[opal rapids]

Typically you don't find that the Big Things are contradicted by lies, but by other Big Things. Think about things like your personal rights to life vs society's rights. Where are the edges of both?

[swift pond]

Aaah, I see.
My first idea was that there is no "bigger truth", that the concept in and of itself is a lie, though in hindsight that doesn't gel with it being an opposite of itself like your answer does.

It's like how scientific theory can only be disproven with another, greater theory that explains things better if that also makes sense.

[opal rapids]

Disproving a negative is similarly impossible so that's in the same kind of philosopher's madness that Cy lives in

[obtuse gyro]

Great Truth: In this oceanic circle of yours, where everyone is linked in some way to each other, you matter
Great Truth: In the scale of the cosmos, you are so insignificantly small

One says you matter, one says you really dont. Both are equally as true

[north trail]

I've been thinking about that too

[twilit geode]

Ah, when you're trying to put together a Profit Taker killing build, and wondering why you're winning, but having so much more trouble than usual. Soloing them like 3 times before you suddenly notice the icon of an Extinguished Dragon Key which cuts your damage by 75% is in the corner, and you realize you've had that equipped the whole time.

[opal rapids]

do we think veilbreaker will let us have back purple fortuna?

[near rune]

That would be great if some of the Veilbreaker content was us cleaning up some of the post-Narmer stuff. Purple Fortuna, maybe get rid of some of the dead Murex, etc

[swift pond]

The Narmer bounties would be a good launching point for that. Right now they're just kinda there for Caliban and the Archon stuff. That's about it.

[obtuse walrus]

Cleaning up poe would be nice, it looks so ugly post nw

[sharp spoke]

I actually really like both the war-torn plains and the partially-terraformed vallis

[near rune]

I also like aspects of both but it would be cool if it was sort of a choice you could make, like an optional quest or something

[sharp spoke]

Indeed, that'd be neat

[opal rapids]

let me unveil the fortunans at least. :c

I'm tired of "all as one"

[frail nymph]

It seems that VB kind of picks back up exactly where we left off in New War, so I doubt any literal cleanup has time to happen.

But yeah code wise cleanup would be nice

[scarlet ginkgo]

My prediction of what the timeline will be for duviri

(Yes, i know it's a paradox, and completely nailing a timeline is literally impossible, but I think ya'll can get what I'm trying to get at)

[rain otter]

Probably.

The Paradox might show parts of both 0

[oak gull]

Does anyone have any theory’s on how the drifter is gonna escape the duviri paradox?

[fleet veldt]

I have several.
In short:
-Natah's hand calls her full-self (sans hand) to the Drifter, and we reattach it to her, somehow leading to Man-in-Wall appearing and offering us a way out via the Zariman.

-We give the hand to the Man-in-Wall and ask for an exit and for the owner of the hand. We get a burnt Natah and find ourselves near/at the crashed Orbiter.

-We meet Man-in-Wall, who offers a way out with the caveats we experience when we see Drifter in New War.

-Cy figures out where Natah is, finds himself in Duviri and beats up the dragon with our Railjack before rescuing us. We come across a floating, burnt body of Natah and brign it aboard with help from the silent crewmates who're all confused about Drifter. Drops us off at Orbiter.

-Drifter draws a Lotus symbol into a wall and blasts it with the hand, opening a portal. Natah is on the other side, limbs open in a 'come here for a hug' gesture. Drifter rushes through, picks her up, and carries her into the Orbiter with Ordis being confused and jarred by the whole situation.

[hushed ferry]

Thank You New War almost 20 tries + almost 4 days of wait for a 5 minute section with the necramech

[fossil fractal]

at least you get mastery

[hushed ferry]

i actually enjoyed the first two parts as playing as grineer and corpus

the tenshin section was boring felt like a normal mission, the other part felt like a excuse to use a older version of the operator the archons were probably the the only balanced boss fights that i ever had and the railjack sections were meh except the hiding in the debris that idk why was fun to me and finally the final battle with Ballas was pretty boring as well

[obtuse walrus]

You can use mech for other stuff, not just for the quests, but I do agree the section was very short

[hushed ferry]

that i know the necramech stomps almost everything but having to do isolation vaults over and over + 12 hours for components + 3 days to assemble because you are forced in a 5 minute section

right at the end i was thinking that the necra would be forced to make and optional to use

the saddest part to me is finishing the new war and observing that nothing has changed gameplay wise except dress up the lotus

i was expecting some missions or one region to belong to the sentients because i am kinda bored of killed the same grineer, corpus troops with different skins

[obtuse walrus]

They made it easier to farm the mech, they gave you the blueprints and reduced material cost

[hushed ferry]

wow it was worse before ?

[kind panther]

Only thing i kinda dislike abt new war was the fact our op stays out their frame although evil man with a sword is right there

[kind panther]

Yep you had to get necraloid to lvl 2 for the rig

[obtuse walrus]

Wasn't that bad imo, its just easier now

[hushed ferry]

and that the game finds any possible chance to push you out of the warframe LOL

[obtuse walrus]

Yeah but his Syndicate is super easy and fast to rank up, you stock on matrixes in no time

[hushed ferry]

i think i did this isolation enough to get lvl 2 easily

[kind panther]

I mean DE could’ve tried a mini boss fight where you fight ballas then that cutscene happens

[hushed ferry]

i mean most of the components were "easy" to get except the freaking pieces of the necra and necrathene + plus the electric eel

what pisses me off is that can't buy a single thing to make you are forced to do the gathering

[kind panther]

You can trade the refined gems now

[hushed ferry]

the debt bond for example i think it is a "fair" way to buy them

[hushed ferry]

you need to another player for that right ?

[kind panther]

Yea although you may be able to find someone in tc willing to sell/give some

[hushed ferry]

well you either get lucky to find someone or get mastery 30......

i can already see that i have more chances farming the nidus prime neuro that trading for it

[flat shadow]

You don't need mr 30 to trade

[kind panther]

Mr 2+ 2fa enabled minimum

[hushed ferry]

isn't the bazaar where you get lvl 30 to trade or something

instead of getting lucky to find someone to trade exactly what you need ?

[cyan crest]

No

[obtuse walrus]

You trade at mr2

[flat shadow]

no, the MR30 console in the relays is for blessings

[hushed ferry]

oh

[flat shadow]

In order to trade, you have to find a trade partner. warframe.market is where I go when I need something and don't have the time/inclination to watch trade chat.

[cyan crest]

You can also use the trade chat

[flat shadow]

There's also the platform specific trade channels here. (you can open them if you go to #757632548842111086 and react with your platform)

[velvet wing]

Maroo’s is a waste of time imo

[hushed ferry]

the trade chat on my region is dead

[cyan crest]

I meant the one here, platform specific

[hushed ferry]

oh ok

[cyan crest]

You need roles tho, abyss linked you to the channel

[hushed ferry]

well at least you get a free statue

i still don't get what is the reward of weekly clem

[kind panther]

Getting to see clem

[cyan crest]

I think it's the specter bps?

[hushed ferry]

making a clone clem that dies to 3 normal enemies

[kind panther]

Yea Clem spectre bp iirc

[hushed ferry]

heh

warframe.market is better for finding the drop rate that the actual trade

[flat shadow]

Eh. More true on switch than PC. It's pretty easy to use for PC trades

[hushed ferry]

won't it change with cross play ?

[obtuse walrus]

Hopefully yes

[velvet wing]

People assume that but we still don’t know how a lot of things will work with crossplay

[flat shadow]

I expect it will, but we don't have a date for cross play yet

[velvet wing]

Like imagine how quickly trade chat would move if everyone was all posting in one channel together

[flat shadow]

It moves pretty quick on PC during peak hours

[graceful zodiac]

Trading with cross play runs into one of the big issues in value of plat, so I doubt we'll be able to trade between platforms from the get

[flat shadow]

I'm looking forward to finding out

[obtuse walrus]

You can use filters, would be nice to have different channels though (one for sellers, one for buyers, one for rivens) or an actual trading post in game.

[kind panther]

Press X to doubt

[cyan crest]

Right after Wally appears and starts breakdancing

[obtuse walrus]

If by killing her you mean not choosing her as the final option, then sure

[kind panther]

I wanna see that video template where someone breakdances with another watching with wally and rell

[molten scaffold]

‘Twas joke

[molten scaffold]

Gotta admit kinda wish I was Xbox so I could have green, it’s nice

[fossil fractal]

is that the one if you lose the requiem rap battle

[balmy storm]

I think it’s the one where the grineer queens fist fight parvos for all his resources

[fossil fractal]

ah

man the quick time event on that where you got to help parvos use kuva arca plasmor screwed me over so many times

[balmy storm]

It’s way too tough, I still think they should change it

[fossil fractal]

they shouldve but alas we made it through anyways

[autumn badge]

ok so looks like i'm at the big choice. Operator or Drifter

[kind panther]

It doesn’t make a difference choose who you want

[autumn badge]

yeah, i know lol

[flat shadow]

Drifter is more amusing

for about. Two lines

[swift pond]

And then never speaks in-mission like the Operator. Shame too, would love to hear more of their cynical takes.

[orchid remnant]

Yeah, i would have loved to hear the drifter say "My Warframe is strong"

[torpid lantern]

"My Warframe is just like a horse"

[lone axle]

"Keep talking. We're still trying to figure out how horse-like you are."

i like that my drifter is tankier than most unmodded warframes

[final pebble]

same! they really beefed our operators up 😂 it's a pity their weapons still scale so terribly.

[hollow totem]

wait a min . . . is this the 1st time nora show her face 'nora night noggle statue'

[wild copper]

Pretty sure she showed it in the last actual nightwave

The glassmaker?

[lone axle]

yeah she did show her face in glassmaker

it was probably due to nihil being a direct threat and actually trying to target her though

[hollow totem]

ow well probably for people who did not participate on that event will probably get to see her now

[cyan crest]

You can still see it when playing the Nihil fight if you buy both the oubliette and the key

[molten scaffold]

True but like

I dont play Xbox

I play mobile

[near rune]

It was after she got glassed and showed up in the Weave. She didn't have control over her transmissions anymore (hiding her face) because she wasn't in her ship.

[scarlet basalt]

I was watching starrlord's video on the new war :
"The tenno struck erra with void beam on **Lua **in the old war supposedly to have killed him"
But it was in the old war.
Lua wasn't in the void in the old war, so she must have sent the moon post old war no ? Meaning that,erra was also on the moon ? Or he was rescued before ? yet i'm sure that tenno were protecting a lot Lua,meaning that no sentient could have rescued him,since it was here that they slept for 500 years.
So does that mean that veilbreaker could explain how he resisted the void ?

[graceful zodiac]

It might. We know the Erra cutscene wasn't near the end of the war, so Erra could have been picked up any time between then and the moon getting shunted.

[scarlet basalt]

But,the problem is that Lotus was literally right beside him so it must be really strange to let a sentient,knowing how powerful a sentient can be,save him.
Wait no,we haven't seen the full potential of erra i think ? We only know that he is a blacksmith to create manmade horror beyond our comprehension.
But in combat he only shoot ? I think there are missing thing from him to make us fear him, in comparison with lotus/natah/perghasa he seems to be at the back

Veilbreaker should really explain who is Erra and what happened pre-murex
He is shrouded in mystery because it's really weird. Did he meet wally? did he got saved ?
Since it was Lua and hunhow must have been on Uranus at the time... Who could have saved him? not sure that there is much sentient that can do anything against a tenno. + there is lotus who may still have been conscious of her power as a sentient.
It could be a theory that an archon could have saved him 🤔 ?

"Let me explain what you are up against, 'friend'. You see the Archons were made by my son, Erra. Hybrid abominations of the Old War... raised from the blighted battlefields where Sentient and Warframe fell." does that mean that archon are post old War or while ? 🤔

[slim anvil]

during

i assume

[graceful zodiac]

No, Humhow was right there. Thus why the cuts and takes place some unknown time before the end of the war.

[scarlet basalt]

so there is a chance that hunhow saved him and sent him somewhere.
Because in TNW he doesn't seems suprised that he is alive 🤔

[thick jolt]

wonder what is the reason hunhow is sitting in the bottom of the ocean

[graceful zodiac]

Too far buried

Reason he has to act through proxies

[scarlet basalt]

To be honest, he doesn't seems restored to his full potential to attack the tenno.
Since the old war he know how powerful they can be so getting out,while every tenno know where he is, and how to destroy him. Is not a good idea.
Even if he has a change to get out,i don't think he should do anything against us.
But well, thanks to him we saved lotus.

[thick jolt]

didnt he mention there was an actual purpose for him staying down there in the new war ?

[graceful zodiac]

That was about why he was still alive and around, yet doing nothing

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe he is just a old guy who want to help uranus's fishes

[graceful zodiac]

Hunhow would rock our world if he was at full potential and could get out. A whole battalion of Railjacks were doing jack to him.

[scarlet basalt]

True,but is he still at full potential ?
He seems to be broken tbh

wait,this dude was literally chilling in uranus's for 500 years 😮

[autumn badge]

just finished New War, and got the pistol amp. i guess it's safe to assume if i make a new one, it'll still use the pistol model?

[lone axle]

Sirrocco (for the operator) is a skin for amps you can turn on and off. For the drifter, all amps will look like the drifter's pistol.

[autumn badge]

ah, cool. yeah, i went with Drifter

[rain otter]

Oh um you can switch at any time and you can set the Drifter Camp to be your default like login Screen.

Or Hub as it where.

[dreamy wadi]

dayum mine looks like a old dude

[lone axle]

do you want my face settings for her or nah, i can give you them

[sly cipher]

I wish the Drifter had some sort of random mission transmissions like the Operator lmao

[rain otter]

Yeah me too

I hope it gets added at some point.

[kind panther]

I honestly though that erra was hunhow when i first did that quest until I realised in new war i was wrong

[swift pond]

Would have preferred it in all honesty. Erra just doesn't hit right.

[kind panther]

Cool design tho

[swift pond]

DE was just in an owl-themed mood if he, Ordis and Boreal are anything to go by.

[balmy storm]

Owls are cool

[kind panther]

I can imagine boreal snapping his head around to see a lokis’ invis wearing off and him stepping on a twig

[kind panther]

Found the for narmer somachord

[north trail]

But if hunhow was in erra's role who would give drifter the nataruk

Or persuade him to fight ballas

[swift pond]

Hunhow? It's not like he's going anywhere.
Way I see it, Hunhow could have been on-board till he notices what was happening to Natah and continue sulking on Uranus during the Narmer take over.
Then again, we would miss out on him doing his Dissapointed Dad™️ bit, and that was hilarious.

[icy minnow]

Which mission is best to farm for Khora Systems ?.

[swift pond]

Prime or regular?

[balmy storm]

If Hunhow wasn’t where he was we wouldn’t be able to defeat the archons, I could see an alternative being maybe Stalker being the one who gives us Nataruk since they help us anyway, plus more character for him coulda been nice

[swift pond]

My idea doesn't preclude him from being stuck on Uranus or giving us Naturak - he doesn't need to move to be in cahoots with Ballas. Once the Tenno are gone and Ballas does his thing, then he can simmer about his goals being thwarted by this blue narcissist.

[balmy storm]

Tru

I hope we can go visit grandpa hunhow soon

[swift pond]

Either that or, you know, give Erras arc more space to grow than once scene near the finale.

[balmy storm]

Imagine if he is the head of narmer, that would be a weird twist

Erra shoulda had more, I agree

If not post-war than pre-war for sure

But I’m sure covid stuff got in the way so we got what tiny bits we got 🤷‍♀️

[swift pond]

Mayhaps, though in that case it would have been less hassle to build off an existing character with a connection to Ballas and Lotus than rush to build a brand new guy.

Hunhow is the Sentient after all, the "Sentient Destroyer of Worlds". He deserved the exposure.

[balmy storm]

I really hope we get some hint at to who is in charge of Narmer with veilbreaker

I still wanna know what worlds he destroyed, origin system isn’t missing any, if it’s in tau then sure

just kinda a weird title it feels like he gave himself to be scary lol

[swift pond]

Aye, bit of a strange title in hindsight. Most he could have done is blow up a couple moons or planetoids.

[real niche]

Isn't the whole point that there is no one in charge anymore and every Narmer member is still blindly following the cult regardless of the dead of their leader

[balmy storm]

Nobody was in charge after Ballas directly but whoever is left is picking up the scraps, we know that much

that’s what I’ve heard anyway, and I’d rather they have some leader than be literally aimless

[swift pond]

It would be funny if the Narmer were just following the delusions Ballas gave them through the veils. Hell, they probably still think he's alive and are just following his last orders lol

Would be fun if someone hijacked them though.

[balmy storm]

Idk why but I imagine some people still use a modified version of the veil as a sort of drug

[swift pond]

VR (Veil Reality)

[balmy storm]

Good name for the drug lol

[real niche]

Yeah I'm pretty sure that's EXACTLY is what's going on

[balmy storm]

I could totally see someone in Fortuna asking for some VR

If Narmer is left to be aimless without a leader it would realistically dissolve, they’d need a binding force, someone in charge to make them formidable enough for Kahl to go after them

[swift pond]

"Hey glint, you uh, got any of that VR stuff"
"20 Medical Debt bonds and it's yours, mate"

[balmy storm]

Plus SOMEONE put the archon head on our boy erra

[balmy storm]

This is real dialogue as far as I’m concerned

[real niche]

The veils didn't just stop working after Ballas died, they're still a real problem and could be called Narmer's leader at this point.

[balmy storm]

They did tho

The big red hypnotizing things, those make em work or that’s what was implied

[swift pond]

They're still wearing them...?

[balmy storm]

We, or someone, broke them all

I guess we don’t know exactly how the veils work though

Plus if the Narmer group is active there’s probably a big red spinny thing somewhere

I just can’t see the whole faction following the veils, now if someone was controlling the veils then sure but we don’t even know who could do that

[balmy storm]

Erra would be my guess but he’s gone

[real niche]

Well crud

[rain otter]

Also I think most of the ones that are left are like people that wanna wear the Helments.

[balmy storm]

Oh dang

[real niche]

At the very least the veils still work

[balmy storm]

For what it’s worth I do like your idea of the veil only cult

They do work!

[real niche]

I remember Konzu lamenting over the fact they still lost people to the veils anyway

[rain otter]

Yeah

[balmy storm]

I mean def many people gave into it

[swift pond]

It's funny, all the Narmer seem to revolve around the Plains and Orb Vallis. No other hideouts anywhere else despite having overrun the system.

[rain otter]

I know Ediuco talks about how having the Viels was a Cold Comfort

[graceful zodiac]

That's gameplay segregation, yes

[rain otter]

For now

[balmy storm]

I wasn’t in the best mindset when the new war came out and I kinda related to that mentality, just live in bliss, forgot your problems, etc etc

[rain otter]

Duh Duh DAAAAA

[real niche]

Veil only cult is just Occam's Razor, we've got no one to suspect on taking control over after Ballas since the whole point was Ballas wanted everything for himself like the manchild he was.

[balmy storm]

I think this is where I got the veils being used like a drug idea from

[real niche]

inb4 Alad V's next stupid project is part of Veilbreaker

[balmy storm]

I really want Alad V to be the Narmer boss but I also really don’t want him to be the Narmer boss-

[rain otter]

The Girl Boss Gatekeep Gas Light devices.

[real niche]

Nah, the idiot's gonna get himself veiled on accident

[balmy storm]

Maybe the Grokdrul Ghoul will finally have lore in Veilbreaker!

[balmy storm]

True

[real niche]

Alad V is just the undead horse everyone keeps kicking

[balmy storm]

We should kick him some more

I will not rest until Veso’s Void Ghost kicks Alad V

[swift pond]

Speaking of Alad, I always wanted to mention:
Why doesn't he get any credit or acknowledgement for the Sentient hybrids we see in New War? The whole point of their team up was to develop this hybrid tech, which then assumedly developed into the Archons. But those are the only hybrids we see outside Jupiter and the connection is never implied.
Crackpot rewrite, but I reckon Caliban could have played into this too. He was real big into experimenting on Warframes after all.

[balmy storm]

The Archons are Old War though, no?

[graceful zodiac]

It doesn't have to be literal worlds. It's no different then the Oppenheimer quote

Archons are technically up in the air

[swift pond]

So what was the point of dragging Alad into things? They're hybrids, you have two and two but they're actively not put together.

[balmy storm]

fr? They’re made from primes

[swift pond]

I'm not saying Alad is responsible, I'm saying I think it's a missed opportunity to pay him off.

[balmy storm]

I feel like they dealed with Alad, realized they also don’t like him and ditched him

[real niche]

Because he made the Amalgams, not the Archons

[graceful zodiac]

That was a Natah thing, by herself

[balmy storm]

I still can’t get over how weird some amalgams are

[swift pond]

Read my last statement; I think the Archons not building off of those was a missed opportunity.

[balmy storm]

Isn’t there one that just ate crewmates?

[swift pond]

The ones that inject neurocarnivorous memes will always be in my heart.

[balmy storm]

I wonder what terrible creations Ballas and Alad could have made together

What wretched things could we have seen

[balmy storm]

Neurocarnivorous WHAT

[swift pond]

Lemme find the codex...

[balmy storm]

memes are real

makes sense, Parvos does pog

[swift pond]

Amalgam Alkonost
"This unit can upgrade organic allies by capturing them and birthing neuro-carnivorous memes directly into their brain stems, thereby super-charging their fighting capacity and resilience."

[graceful zodiac]

Meme does not meme funny image, just an "infectious " idea

[balmy storm]

Warframe really said memes will make you better at fighting lmao

[balmy storm]

No ik, it’s just for funnies lol

[rain otter]

Lmao

[balmy storm]

This is why I love this game

[icy minnow]

Dose Khora's System only drop on C-rotation Sanct Onslaught ?.

[swift pond]

Base Khora? Yes.

[icy minnow]

So.. round 8.

[swift pond]

Yep.

[cyan crest]

You should get prime if you're not hunting for mastery

Given how it's far less tedious

[icy minnow]

I always max regular before primes.

[balmy storm]

Sometimes the primes are easier to get

[cyan crest]

Nidus

[graceful zodiac]

It's admirable

[balmy storm]

Equinox when she gets unvaulted

[icy minnow]

wait. Isn't rotation C = A-A-B-C ?. so every 4th lvl.

Sofar i've gotten 10+ chassis.... no darn system.

[balmy storm]

Oof

[icy minnow]

ye

[solemn tundra]

Each rotation is 2 rounds

[swift pond]

No?
A: 2 and 4
B: 6
C: 8

[final pebble]

each reward is two rounds. each rotation is eight. 👍

[lyric dome]

took me 2 years to complete the base equinox

i just gave up on her cause the prime looked better

[frail nymph]

Anything notable about the Duviri map as seen during Tennocon?

[balmy storm]

Why would helminth be a cat person when kavats eat infestation

[fleet veldt]

Adorable irony.

[mystic cove]

Maybe it's like a symbiotic relationship

[kind panther]

If you could make a operator melee what would you make it and why? (Nothing like an amp part but a separate melee)

[mystic cove]

Baseball bat, because bat

[storm relic]

crowbar

I want to make drifter into gordon freeman

[frail nymph]

Pool noodle

[storm relic]

since warframes are heaping piles of strength infestation and metal

[balmy storm]

Gauntlets for punching

[storm relic]

they can carry huge heaps of metal and call them weapons

operators are either little teens

or like, average adults

I don't think they can really wield much

[kind panther]

Someone had an idea for a melee like this

[lone axle]

i think being able to use the parazon like one of the morning star weapons we already have would be nice
maybe we could get a modular corpus parazon

[deft void]

How long after New War is Drifter in "Hide while in public"

[kind panther]

Wdym?

[deft void]

Basically don't show Drifter in public cause spoiler

[balmy storm]

After Duviri

[kind panther]

Technically forever

[balmy storm]

Duviri is pre-new war technically, so it’ll be more widespread of a topic then

[kind panther]

Ig so

[deft void]

Noodle

I'm still getting flak for showing Operator. b

[balmy storm]

It’ll still be spoilery just cause op still is sometimes, but it’ll be less than it is now sometime after duviri

[fleet veldt]

Ranging from Daggers to Nikanas with the limit being 2h-Nikanas like Tatsu (being the slowest on initial swing and when moving with them; combo counter will speed up attacks and movement speed) or heavy blades like Galatine (being even slower than 2h-Nikanas).

Considering Drifter uses Rumblejack in New War, at least giving Dr/Op access to any melee that is a plain-type (no Tonfas, Warfrans, blade+whips or the likes as those would be finnicky for their non-Warframe forms to cope with)

[kind panther]

Imagine a operator/drifter takedown like the inner pieces execution from titanfall

Bit much for this game but still be a cool thing

[scarlet basalt]

my god i want to see drifter vs exploiter now. but this boss is so long wth

[tawny sierra]

Lotus Radiant is a downgrade, debate

[graceful zodiac]

Bad Take

[twilit geode]

Disagree. And is completely negated by the fact that you can simply choose the original lotus design if you really prefer it.

[misty lake]

i just finished the second dream and no one told me children could be used as shotguns

how long have i been living this lie?

[twilit geode]

You mean you don’t carry around a child as a self-defense weapon?

[misty lake]

i have never

sadly

[twilit geode]

Wow, get with the times dude.

[misty lake]

where would i purchase a tactical void child?

(with void shotgun capabilities)

[tawny sierra]

"Child" they're really more like high-school sophomores

[stoic yarrow]

need help with zariman quest
idk what im supposed to do here

[misty lake]

get some of that "will make you look 10 years younger facial moisturizer" and we will see

[orchid remnant]

Go inside the glowy thing

[twilit geode]

||Jump into the glowing sphere. Then kill the angel. The orbs rotating around it you gotta void sling through to remove. Stay inside the bubbles they create when you land after grabbing one, it massively buffs your damage and protects you.||

[stoic yarrow]

ah i just killed her without doing the slings and stuff

[balmy storm]

When in doubt go inside the glowy thing

[misty lake]

Wait so does Excalibur umbra have its own mind as well as the operator

[fossil fractal]

i think

[misty lake]

So umbra Excalibur hears childrens voices in their head?

[nocturne kiln]

Essentially he is (currently) the only warframe to have a mind and thus move itself. Umbra has the ability to reject a transference link or accept it and willingly come under the control of a Tenno

[obtuse gyro]

only warframe in this age

if we assume the warframe creation the process is different now as compared to then, then this is the case.

if there is no change to the warframe creation process, then every single frame is like umbra

[nocturne kiln]

There had been talks about other umbras at some point. We never got a confirmation on wither that would or would not happen in the game

Theoretically, there could be an umbra for every warframe

An original

[obtuse gyro]

thats assuming ballas punished alot more people than our Umbra

[nocturne kiln]

I don't see why he wouldn't

[obtuse gyro]

Maybe, but still, if the warframe creation process isnt changed, every frame is like umbra

[nocturne kiln]

And this is all theoretical spitballing At this point anyway

[nocturne kiln]

If you think of warframes like cars, normal warframes are mass production models, Primes are top of the line customs, and umbras are concept cars with all the bells and whistles that never make it beyond the first one made

[obtuse gyro]

accurate, and in this case "warframes having minds" is the same as "cars go vroom"

[nocturne kiln]

Hey, I want a car that drives itself for me, don't you?

[obtuse gyro]

vibes

[nocturne kiln]

Anyway, it actually deepens the biological horror of the warframes if every kind had an original umbra, as it becomes less that they were designed and more they were copied from beings sentenced to unmentionable and unique torture just to advance the Orokin war machine

It's the body version of what happened to the minds of the cephalons

Slightly unrelated note, umbra being the way he is really put the feels to the ending of the new war since I finished ballas' fight with him. Rather than your operator manipulating his warframe while also being outside of it or, God forbid, clinging to a truly empty shell, I felt like I had a partner that was right there striving just as desperately as my operator was. Assuming you view umbra as the "cannon" warframe used beyond his quest, it means he was holding onto you and the lotus just as desperately as your operator was holding on to both of them.

Idk. Power of friendship got me choked up or some bull ish

[cyan crest]

"original Umbra" mmm, but Umbra is most certainly not the original, first Excalibur

He's one of the latest frames

[nocturne kiln]

According to what I understand to be true, all Excalibur primes were created from copying Umbra

[cyan crest]

Again, Umbra is one of the latest frames in the war and Excalibur is the first frame ever, so that's not possible

[thick jolt]

Umbra was more of a unique punishment than a part of warframe r&d

Also all warframes need tenno to calm them down

[nocturne kiln]

According to the lore, umbra is the "first" Excalibur, and was merely found by your character later on

[thick jolt]

There is no mention of umbra being first excalibur

[nocturne kiln]

Primes were copied from a singular umbra, normal warframes were copied from primes, with each step of iteration producing a copy of lesser quality

[cyan crest]

He's not the first Excalibur, he exposed, or tried to expose, Ballas to the orokin after he sent those messages to hunhow, which detailed the creation of warframes and use of the tenno
He simply cannot be one of the first Excaliburs
It doesn't line up

[obtuse gyro]

naur umbra isnt the first excal

[thick jolt]

Thats not lore thats headcanon

[obtuse gyro]

Umbra's punishment for sending hunhow data of said warframes (of which were kicking sentient butt) was becoming umbra, meaning that umbra could not have been the first excal, nor the first frame

[cyan crest]

that's heavy assumption and the prime to reg part is literally contradicted with Varzia's statement "some where prime from the start, others had to earn it"

So uhm
No, Umbra is not the first excal, and no other frame has an Umbra as of yet, meaning he could very well be unique in the lore

[cyan crest]

Also, this

[nocturne kiln]

It doesn't make much sense to me then why any primes were created, other than perhapse ballas' schadenfreude, if it would be more cost effective to use turn people into warframes like the orokin did with creating cephalons than ai made from the ground up

[obtuse gyro]

some were primes, some had to earn primes

primes were often sent to guard more "important" facilities (meaning places the higher orokin cared about)

[cyan crest]

Any primes where created because they were better than regs, and look cool, and also to be part of the prime vanguard, presumably the best of the best tenno warriors

[nocturne kiln]

I'm not denying it, I'm just saying it doesnt make much sense to me

[obtuse gyro]

Its like them gundams

[cyan crest]

Anyway, and as Bau said, if the process hasn't changed, all frames have minds
They're just
Not using them when we're out of them
I guess it's a no thoughts head empty kind of situation

Like why move when tenno inside mind is much better for me

[nocturne kiln]

I do know that the lore states each warframe is named after the first tenno to operate the first model, which is why they have backstories with them being refered to as people rather than purely someone using a warframes

[cyan crest]

The lore doesn't state that

Ballas even contradicts it in the prime trailers

Naming the frames there

with the frame names

Except Valkyr

[nocturne kiln]

I thought the warframes just didn't have conciousnesses

[obtuse gyro]

They do, thats what the sacrifice was all about

[nocturne kiln]

Ug, I hate when discord changes the post responded to because more posts are being made

[cyan crest]

If they're still made with people, which they might as well still be, with the tenno calming them and blah blah blah, then they should have one
But it's like, calm and stuff
Just chilling

[obtuse gyro]

Almost all "warframe backstories" arent told with the knowledge of the Tenno kiddos, since it was a state secret. We still catch glimpses in the leverian when the narrator wonders why certain frames decide to show kindness or relatability to children without parents or child soldiers

[cyan crest]

If, however, they, the modern frames we make on our own, are just animate helminth blobs, as some people suggest they could be, then they should not have a conscious mind

But I prefer the they're people variant

[nocturne kiln]

Then why does Ash's backstory refer to them as a person, why atlas' or gauss's? If they weren't referring to the tenno inside them, why are the warframes referred to as distinct entities in thier backstories and not say, a group using the same warframe

[obtuse gyro]

Because the narrator doesnt know about the tenno

[cyan crest]

Because Drusus only retells the story as told by other people who wouldn't exactly know the difference between tenno and warframe, and specially wouldn't know they actual tenno's name

[obtuse gyro]

The narrator can only describe the situation, and hence describes the frames as people

[nocturne kiln]

Then you have to call everything into question based on wether or not anyone could have all the details

[cyan crest]

They act as if the tenno and the frame are one and the same, cause to them it seems like it

[obtuse gyro]

The existence of space children was tightly guarded so hard that even alad v, known busybody was surprised to find out

[cyan crest]

They also don't have that tenno's name, so it's easy to call them Ash, or Atlas, or Nova

Or Gara or Mirage or Lavos or Limbo or you get the idea

[nocturne kiln]

Doesn't make sense to me at all. It's like saying anything in the codex might be untrue because in universe some facts would be hidden

[obtuse gyro]

Huh? We're not calling the events untrue at all, what Drusus says is as factual as a retelling can be, except that he could not have known about the tenno

[cyan crest]

Drusus couldn't possibly know the name of those tenno, as couldn't Onkko when retelling Gara's story
So they do what's easiest, and just call them like their frames

[nocturne kiln]

All I know is if it's like what you guys say has to be true, then this game make a whole lot less sense anymore

[cyan crest]

About the operators*, technically he knows the tenno, I mean he has that museum hosted for us
Just not that they're not actually the frames, at least he should not know

[cyan crest]

I'm not really sure why

[obtuse gyro]

Plus there are entries in the codex where we know that we cannot take at face value at all, with things like unreliable narrators or outright blatant confirmed lies.

For example the ember prime codex claims the zariman was a military ship, we know right now that that was a complete lie

[obtuse gyro]

Ah well yes, operators, the Tenno would be what the public called the frames

[cyan crest]

"it was a military ship, why would you put children there" girl you were inside there where only ceremonial weapons inside are you blind or something

That investigator should've been jade lighted for being dumb

[nocturne kiln]

It also said they didn't, which means they could put children on a ship that wasnt a military ship, which the zariman wasnt

[obtuse gyro]

I would think that its because she was told it was a mil ship before hand, and so she walked in thinking as such, probably didnt even make it to the armoury

[cyan crest]

Yes, exactly, it was a lie

[nocturne kiln]

No, it just means the zariman wasn't a military ship

[cyan crest]

I mean, fair, but it also has zero guns in the exterior and Zero smaller fighter ships

[cyan crest]

Exactly, it wasn't, it being a military ship was the lie

It was a colony ship, they lied telling her that it was military

[nocturne kiln]

Ten to the power of Zero guns

[cyan crest]

I think that's one

Something to the power of zero is one, right?

[obtuse gyro]

Ye

[nocturne kiln]

Does that count as just crashing the ship then?

[cyan crest]

Lmao true

[nocturne kiln]

Atthe end of this night, I feel like umbra is less special than I thought he was

Anyone can become an umbra (assuming thier mind can survive the process)

He's gone back to just what all my friends say he ever was; a replacement for Excalibur prime since you can't get those

[north trail]

Originally other frames were planned to have umbras

[nocturne kiln]

Woo...

[obtuse gyro]

You need to be special enough to piss ballas off enough

[cyan crest]

Umbra is special because of his arc, and his story and his gameplay features
He's also the only one that can move on his own in the modern era, possibly because the others are so calmed by the tenno after such a long time that they simply cannot live anymore

[nocturne kiln]

shrugs
All I know is that it's now a character created by chance rather any real significance to the creation of warframes at all

[obtuse gyro]

My personal take is that the special transference bolt fitted in umbra allows him to move

[cyan crest]

Not what we were implying I don't think
Like, yes frames made with people, as Ballas implies, all of the frames made in the old war would still have their mind, but no, they wouldn't be like Umbra
Why?
I don't know, it's possibly because of the transference bolt, or tenno exposure, or some weird shenanigans

[thick jolt]

Not chance at all ballas intentionally tortured umbra

[nocturne kiln]

shrugs

[obtuse gyro]

I say the transference bolt, ordis states that its different

[cyan crest]

Yeah but that also is what allows Ballas to speak to Umbra without speaking

[nocturne kiln]

Maybe not anyone can become an umbra, but itseems those that can can be chosen to be a specific type of umbra. There's more that's special about who they were before and what happened to them than actually being an umbra

...I'm disappointed...

[cyan crest]

ok

[thick jolt]

If defying someone with a lot of power like ballas isnt special i dunno what is

Especially in the orokin era

[cyan crest]

Stabbing Ballas in the chest and leaving him with a big, biiig hole in there is also special

[nocturne kiln]

It wasn't special. Just carried a high mortality rate. You can tell it had happened by ballas' inferred body count

[cyan crest]

Like have you seen his Narmer design
You can see his bones

[cyan crest]

He found out about Ballas' betrayal and tried to expose Ballas to the rest of the orokin
That's being kind of special

[thick jolt]

He was also a pretty decorated dax

[nocturne kiln]

shrug
Again, has to do with more of who he was than being an umbra

[cyan crest]

Have you seen his helmet, you could have tea with 7 people on it

[thick jolt]

The best tea helmet

[nocturne kiln]

Basically like separating ordis from ordan karris

[cyan crest]

He's also special in the sense that he's the only one who can move after the orokin era
Sure, the others might, might still have minds, but Umbra is the only one who effectively uses it outside of very circumstantial situations

Say it's cause of the bolt being more or less restraining on his mind, which could be I guess

[nocturne kiln]

smh
Again, being an umbra is less special than the person it used tobe, as that's what all this defiance is from. The warframe itself isn't anymore special than any prime warframe is, and you know how many of those get farmed up.

Just a prime replacement

I'd sarcastically suggest calling it prisma excaliber if that wasn't already a thing

[cyan crest]

It is more special because it has capabilities no other frame has, even if we don't know the exact details
Umbra is a special case due to his conception as a punishment and his capacities beyond it, and his place in the lore
He's a prime replacement but he's also more

[nocturne kiln]

Speaking of which, still need a prisma. Lato

[nocturne kiln]

If you say so

[cyan crest]

He shows abilities beyond what modern frames can do, he is a pivotal part of one of theost important quests in the game, and he also stabbed Ballas
Idk I see him as very very special

[nocturne kiln]

The significance is all the actions, not of what the being is. The existance of an Umbra is still much less cool than I used to think it was two hours ago

[cyan crest]

And what you thought he was was only a misunderstanding of the time frame of his conception and the role of Umbras in the wider warframe creation

[nocturne kiln]

Which is no role in other warframe creation

[cyan crest]

Which why would he have

[nocturne kiln]

Exactly. No significance what so ever

[cyan crest]

because he literally was made after it happened

[thick jolt]

If something is only significant to you if its the first i worry for your outlook in life

[nocturne kiln]

No, but the significance I thought he had does not exist

[cyan crest]

The significance you thought he had was a misunderstanding

[nocturne kiln]

If someone handed you a hundred dollars, and then pointed out its only a ten dollar bill, it wouldn't be as important as you thought it was, would it?

[cyan crest]

If you saw a ten dollar bill clearly laid out as a ten dollar bill and thought it was a hundred dollars, that's on you

[nocturne kiln]

I'm not saying you're wrong in what you said about him, I'm just let down that it wasnt as important as I thought it was

[nocturne kiln]

Nice. Telling me it's my fault doesn't change anything

Gonna go back to trying to find out how to use warframes now. Bye.

[north trail]

Most warframes are pretty easy to use

You mod around their good abilities and then use those

Maybe even use helminth if you're feeling spicy

[barren drum]

What is that white Liquid that is leaking from orphixes on plains of eidelon after the New war?

[swift pond]

"Blood" or rotten Sentient spawn goop (like in the Murex). Best guesses I could make.

[river anchor]

Wasn't Umbra made the way he is specifically because Ballas didn't like who Umbra was before?

IIRC him being a Frame with a mind was meant to be torture, and not standard procedure.

Dax-Umbra tried to oust Ballas because of suspicions that Ballas was about to do treachery, but Long-Noodle-Arm caught wind of it and took care of him. Adding on the torture of leaving Umbra with a single burning memory.

[graceful zodiac]

Him having an individual mind is a side effect, yes

[river anchor]

Dope, I actually remembered lore details

[fossil fractal]

good job

[languid torrent]

You remembered the right noodle in the lore spaghetti

[river anchor]

It would be nice if we got some lore snippets on Warframes undergoing a similar mind-wipe thing as Ordan Karris did.

Cause Umbra is a pretty beeg outiler and exception.

[fossil fractal]

i want ordan karris' clothes

[scarlet basalt]

Thanks god we need an entire War so that ordis can help us in mission.
Hey,we made his dream come true so that's a good thing

[river anchor]

Rhino Umbra is deffo a thing I wanna see, his frame lore is chef's kiss

[fossil fractal]

im quite happy that new war wasnt just war for 4 hours

[cyan crest]

Frames had enough of a mind to revel against the orokin and need the tenno and their empathy to pilot them
While Umbra's is more... How to say it, sapient? Because of its single burning memory blah blah blah, the others that were also made of people, in case warframes are no longer made with them blah blah blah you know the drill, should still have a fraction of something in there

[scarlet basalt]

Would be cool to see it but idk how they could introduce him

[fossil fractal]

im torn because on the one hand i want more umbras but on the other hand excal being a one time thing is cool

[river anchor]

I'm pretty sure going by Rhino Prime, that Warframes were more like wild animals than 'wanting to rebel against the golden lords'.

[cyan crest]

Indeed they were, but that's still something in there

[graceful zodiac]

They don't really need a mind wipe when getting turned into a frame shatters them

[cyan crest]

Mirage was conscious enough even during the process that she changed Ballas' design willingly

That's some wild stuff

[river anchor]

Huh, so it's definitely similar to Cephalon transformations

You're still you, but you don't know who you are.

[graceful zodiac]

That one is less being conscious, more just in their nature?

[fossil fractal]

the entry sort of implies conscious change to me imo

[cyan crest]

In their nature? She modified the design into something very specific
How is that not conscious?

[fossil fractal]

wait not entry prime trailer sorry

[river anchor]

It might be cool to think that, Mirage's burning desire actually influenced her transformation.

Ballas' original designs for the Mirage frame was changed to the one we know today, all because of her.

[cyan crest]

I have to wonder... What was Ballas originally planing for her?

[graceful zodiac]

That it doesn't a fully active action per se, but a consequence of who they were subconsciously

[cyan crest]

I'm assuming he, in universe, called her Mirage due to her little feat

[river anchor]

Based on Mirage's abilities, probably a Jester of sorts for the Orokin's entertainment. Mirage probably uhh

Made the funnies into lethal funnies.

[cyan crest]

When you subconsciously design entire abilities and even an appearance for yourself

[cyan crest]

No I meant for the frame, his original design for the frame that was twisted into Mirage

[river anchor]

Yeah exactly, original Mirage was probably in similar concept to the light-show style Jester. But Mirage's victim turned it into a macabre of lethality. Hence Ballas' lines of perversion and becoming a beast.

[cyan crest]

Mmm

[river anchor]

He did say "distort" and not "change"

[cyan crest]

It sounds as if you say his original design wasn't meant to be a weapon

[river anchor]

It most definitely was supposed to be, but significantly less lethal

Like Trinity getting damage skills when we know her as a support frame.

[cyan crest]

Mmm, I guess that works

Tho I'm gonna headcanon from now on that he did call her Mirage because of what she did

[fathom python]

found out that the horse have been foreshadowed on zariman

[uneven epoch]

it was always here
in lift to dormizone there is horse poster with knife on eye

[obtuse walrus]

I'm pretty sure it was present during some nw parts on the z ship

[nocturne kiln]

Now who's using fanon? Never heard anything about warframes other than Umbra being made from people

[cyan crest]

The literal quest tells you

The Mirage prime trailer tells you

[swift pond]

That is the whole point of frames is it not
Infested humans turned into walking weapons gone berserk?

[cyan crest]

The vitruvian in the same quest Umbra is literally tells you frames are made of people, go pay attention and then you correct me

[cyan crest]

Indeed

Ballas explains how they made the helminth and used it to make warframes

And how "we took our greatest, volunteers or not"

How they tortured and drugged them

How they deployed them and they went bananas

So please, dear Joe, next time don't come like that trying to correct me when you're not actually right, please

And then being people is like, one of the reasons the tenno are used
It wasn't our alien devilry or whatever Ballas said, it was out ability to look inside an ugly, broken thing, and take its pain away

Literally in the sacrifice

[nocturne kiln]

Slightly pleased to be wrong, if only because the body horror is back in my scope of what warframes are. Does this then mean every prime we create has some basic cognition what happened to it before it was broken into pieces or is it truly a blank slate? At the very least when the first primes were first made they did.

I wonder if the same holds true for our "knock off" frames

[cyan crest]

Given how basic frames were also present in the orokin era, as Varzia confirms, it doesn't only have to be primes
Yet, as the method we use to build frames in the modern era is unknown, it is... Unknown if they retain anything

[nocturne kiln]

At the very leastValkyr has some beastial intelligence to her, given the description of her and her pre alad V skin

Hmmm.. since only a few warframes can vocalize, this is giving me some "I have no mouth and I must scream" vibes

Valkyr screams anyway

[cyan crest]

And Umbra too
And uhm
I think it was rhino who also did it?

[graceful zodiac]

Proto Rhino had a mouth, but they stopped that

[cyan crest]

That's only mildly terrifying

[swift pond]

Literally gave him a gold faceplate for the Prime just so no one has to deal with the nightmares

[graceful zodiac]

I doubt they have mouths now. It's not like they need them.

[torpid lantern]

Every warframe has memories and cognition. It doesn't matter if they are copies of the original or not, aka Umbra. The Sacrifice quest explains that this cognition is the reason only the Tenno can control and use Warframes. It's because they have compassion and can help soothe the frames pain and suffering. Though we don't see it for other frames, they go through a similar process with each of them to what they did for Umbra. The only difference is generally they can't move.

[graceful zodiac]

We can't say every frame has memories, that's explicitly an Umbra only thing

[cyan crest]

If only we had the specifications for said process... I think the information we have is very limited, I wish they expanded on this

[nocturne kiln]

Grendel got a big mouth on him

[cyan crest]

The Umbra only thing is that he has "single burning memory" placed there to torture him, not necessarily that he has memories at all

[torpid lantern]

They have to or the process in Sacrifice wouldn't work and the Orokin could control them. The pain Warframe suffer is physical AND emotional. Nothing cam stifle physical pain but emotional can be healed. That's what the Tenno do

[graceful zodiac]

I would say say given the fact the operator themselves backs up the statement

[cyan crest]

They'd at least have to have the mental trauma from the process of becoming a frame and all that, and I think that counts as a memory

[cyan crest]

I would say the operator also says "I don't need to hear it, I lived it" when talking about seeing inside an ugly broken thing, and taking away its pain
Which then leads to them talking about Umbra's memory

[nocturne kiln]

We're not even quite sure if Umbra is even aware of his "single burning memory" (the transference with the operator could have been undoing the process of suppressing that memory). For all we know he could just be yelling at ballast in his own way similar to how pre super Broly yells for Goku

[swift pond]

In hindsight, Tenno are just unfortunate kids who use their eldritch powers to become the ultimate therapists. I think that's neat

[cyan crest]

If he's not aware of it then it being to torture him is not very efficient

[nocturne kiln]

It isn't. I also don't doubt that Balast would do it anyway.

[cyan crest]

But who will give therapy to the therapist?

[graceful zodiac]

Should be specific then. Umbra is the only frame with tangible memory of who they were before they became a Warframe. After the process, anything is fair game

[cyan crest]

He targets Ballas specifically

In the opening cinematic he's very deliberate about things

[nocturne kiln]

Space mom helped us out while we got our psychology degree, then asked us to help treat her in return

[cyan crest]

He then goes a little more bananas

[cyan crest]

Lol

[nocturne kiln]

He litterally 1s himself across the solar system. Even Limbo had use mathematics first before he could do that

I know that's not actually what happens but I like the imagery

Speaking of the Dax, still disappointed we don't have much drifter armor. Bishamon is what I have on my operator and I'd have liked to have it in Duviri

[cyan crest]

They said they were working on porting operator stuff to drifter
But
Who knows when

[nocturne kiln]

Hopefully it comes out with Duviri. Would make sense too

[cyan crest]

Yeah

[swift pond]

Wally

[nocturne kiln]

No, he's an anti-therapist

Is there a word for someone who does emotional terrorism professionally?

He's that

Look what he did to Rell

[whole whale]

An abuser lmao

[cyan crest]

Yeah but professionally

Front flipping eldritch horror style

[swift pond]

A professional scoundrel. A hired menace, if you will.

[nocturne kiln]

He works for noone

[cyan crest]

He works for chaos

His whole purpose is just doing mischieve

A little trolling

A bit of emotional abuse

[swift pond]

A little gaslighting here, some emotional dependance there, it all comes with the package

[nocturne kiln]

A little bit of trolling existence more like

Low key hope we find Albreicht in duviri and can brings some news of him back to his family

I mean, we know what he looks like now thanks to hombask

[graceful zodiac]

Unlikely. Man specifically wanted to die

[cyan crest]

He should be dead, he said he was gonna stop taking kuva and die in his last body

[nocturne kiln]

I feel like we should buy one of those pictures and bring it to Grandmother

[cyan crest]

Grandmother is father's mother

Albrecht is mother's father

[nocturne kiln]

Is that how it is? I thought they were married

[cyan crest]

I mean they could be, it would just be extremely cursed

[nocturne kiln]

It's immortal nobility man. The family tree looks like a yarnball

*could look like

[graceful zodiac]

They aren't. Grandmother didn't want the marriage to happen

[nocturne kiln]

I feel like Albricht hanging out with old teshin would be a vibe, the two of them mentoring Drifter just as teshin and the entratis on deimos mentor the operator

Rewinding just a bit to the whole warframes have minds discussion, I suddenly remembered Xaku and am now concerned.jpeg

[cyan crest]

I guess the... Whatever remains of mind belongs to the skeleton

Hey I also don't have a gender and look like that

Well I don't look like that but I could!

[nocturne kiln]

You're a Cephalon. You look like pixels

[cyan crest]

Sometimes I wish I actually was a geometrical mesh of pixels

[nocturne kiln]

Hopefully. If not, I wonder if the residual emotions of thier body parts are constantly dealt with whenever Xaku has to pull them back into its conglomerate

Like... trauma bonding or something

[cyan crest]

scary thoughts

[nocturne kiln]

The writer in me is enticed by them

[graceful zodiac]

It wouldn't, given Deluxe skins have no bearing on the game

[nocturne kiln]

Anyone who wears the delux has chosen a side

They want to see them void hips

[cyan crest]

Haha haha
Haha
H
No

[nocturne kiln]

Pretty sure I'm gonna buy it. Warframe skins with clothes are always what I end up using as my primary skin

[cyan crest]

One would thing it wouldn't because uhm, enby people don't stop being it just because they look slightly more masculine or feminine
What with the not a her nor a she

[nocturne kiln]

Calm down there pixels. I know you don't understand the humor of the fleshies but you don't have to take it that seriously

[cyan crest]

[nocturne kiln]

I should go grab the "original" valkyr helmet and put it on her deluxe skin. I think that shall be what I do today

[graceful zodiac]

Anyways. Albrecht being on Duviri also doesn't track given he wanted nothing with the Void either

[nocturne kiln]

I think if warframe lore has taught me anything, rarely do any of these characters get what they want. Just like real life!

[cyan crest]

I mean unless a big giant void portal suddenly opened and sucked him I don't see how he could be there

And not have commited die while on there

[nocturne kiln]

I mean, the whole theme of duviri seems to be that people are not allowed to commit die

[thick jolt]

Unless meeting wally was enough to make a void construct out of him and it landed in duviri

[nocturne kiln]

I could see him having split from thier initial interaction

[cyan crest]

I thought you had to die in the void for that, we've only seen that happened to people who died in the void

And near a reliquary, which apparently is also important for their existance

[thick jolt]

Thats the thing we cant be sure you have to die in the void
Or meet wally
Or just have been in the void at some point
Hopefully we get some more assurance in duviri

[thick jolt]

Not necessarily a reliquary but some source of energy i guess

[nocturne kiln]

We won't. At the very least it's clear that coming into contact with the void is needed, which albrecht certainly did

[thick jolt]

Wish we had the conceptual manifestation class available to us

[cyan crest]

We've proven quite difficult to kill

Not impossible

But difficult indeed

[nocturne kiln]

It's implied many tenno do die, just that "our" tenno doesn't. The zenuka (which I still think sounds like the name of a corpus energy drink) project was made from warframes and a dead rhino is also in the new war. Of course, that's not assuming they didn't just abandon thier frames with some kind of psychic kill switch.

[swift pond]

I think the implication is that Lotus controls our transference prior to awakening. Dead Tenno are the ones she couldn't pull before the frames got merc'd.

[nocturne kiln]

I thought the inference was that we were still- well... before the new opening, was that we had a transference link already established with a singular warframe and that just transfered between them somatically, that is, by touching another warframe.

Which was why things like getting captured by zanuka mattered: you couldn't just abandon the frame even if you wanted to, as you had to touch a different warframe to do so

[languid torrent]

And even then, a single Warframe is a piece of insanely valuable Orokin tech, so losing one to Aladstein's Monster is still within the bounds of 'unacceptable'.

[nocturne kiln]

Okay, I lied. wearing a gersemi helmet is not worth 150 plat

[nocturne kiln]

its more acceptable than dying

[misty lake]

“All the riches in the system aren’t worth half as much as a favor from a Tenno”

Correct me if I quoted it wrong

[cyan crest]

Not exactly but the idea of the quote is the same

[real niche]

Key word "favor", not just a Warframe itself

[fleet veldt]

Favours from Tenno are worth more than any quantity of Warframe components.

[misty lake]

i mean there are the operators to take into the equation (and the entirety of umbra)

since warframes are mostly just drones (except for ones like umbra)

i myself have never asked a drone for a favor but i imagine things wouldnt exactly go as planned

[fleet veldt]

Unless its a Specter which had been sat for a mission briefing, no it wouldn't understand.

It'd be like telling a Sentient to build something based on minimum wording and expecting it to get it right first time.

[pliant moth]

Last time we tried something like that it didn't turn out so well

[golden sundial]

veilbreaker will come with styanax right? or not?

[balmy badger]

Yes.

[tribal forum]

idk if this fits in here but what are these voice lines from ordis cause i have never heard them

[cyan crest]

The first 3 are no longer there

They were there to tease the second dream and were cut

The other 3 I think were also cut, cause I spent a full afternoon hunting for the Orbiter void one because of an argument

And no, never found it

[steady gate]

I think the last three stop showing up after War Within

[fleet veldt]

To memory the first three cut out after you do Second Dream.

The second set, first one I haven't heard since War Within, second one probably stops playing after you get all of Ordis' fragments, and third one should stop after you get the Lounge (at a push, at earliest it should be whenever the Somatic chair room is opened up).

[cyan crest]

I don't think the second one stops after you get all of his memories

[fleet veldt]

I haven't heard it recently in any case.

[cyan crest]

Mainly cause it never showed up for me, although I never went looking for it I guess
I did try to hunt down the first one but trying to hunt idle lines is... Well I didn't find it

Maybe Vespid remembers the big orbiter in void argument from the old New war spoilers channel, I tried to hunt it down then

[graceful zodiac]

I vaguely remember the seats quote

[fossil fractal]

the wiki does have a cut lines segment for war within's void blast stuff so i trust the wiki editors

on the other hand "probably deals damage"

[cyan crest]

On the third hand, they still have the Fortuna dialogue transcripts talking about Duviri, while the audio in the same transcript no longer refers to Duviri

It's an easy change and they haven't done it yet when when the audio is already changed

[fossil fractal]

true

[cyan crest]

And it leads to misinformation in such a stupid way it seems intentional

[balmy storm]

Duviri exists in Fortuna’s dialogue
Duviri does not exist in Fortuna’s dialogue

[fossil fractal]

i just wish the pre tsd lines became much more common after you get all the requirements for the junction that gives tsd

[fossil fractal]

like the first 3

would foreshadow it much better for new players that somehow dont know

[cyan crest]

You will do second dream like 5 minutes after that so it's not really a big of a change

[fossil fractal]

at least in my opinion

[fossil fractal]

that is true

maybe like when you return to the orbiter after completing the junction ordis says that

or the planet before the lines become more common

idk i just love foreshadowing

it does count as that right

[cyan crest]

Yes

[velvet thorn]

Screw the Venus scene in New War..

Hated that scene, they could sense you from miles away...

[fossil fractal]

never play metal gear solid

or any stealth game

[cyan crest]

You can throw the smoke canisters

They never catched me that way

Like, I think it's the second drifter ability

[balmy storm]

Can you use those when you have the veil?

[tame plinth]

Should be.

[cyan crest]

Mmm no but you just have to wait for the deacon to do their scripted routine

[kind panther]

Has anyone else just never gotten wally in the orbiter?

[fleet veldt]

Maybe you're managing to avoid him.

[cyan crest]

Maybe you got spoiler mode activated

[kind panther]

I’ll check rn

Where is it in the settings is it creator mode?

Cause if so thats off

[cyan crest]

It is creator mode indeed

Mmm
Guess it's just bad rng

[kind panther]

Idrc anyways it’d be nice to have a visit from wally but idm

[jagged crane]

Is there a way to get a physical version of post-new-war Ordis in the orbiter again?

[kind panther]

Like the drone ordis?

Unless you buy the ordis sentinel skin for 100 plat then no

[torpid lantern]

Baro is selling a statue of TNW Ordis for this month :)

[kind panther]

👀

[jagged crane]

👀
Crap imma have to grind some ducats then
How much is it for?

[pseudo sable]

350 i think?

[jagged crane]

Dang… I’m a newer player, I only have 45 😬

[kind panther]

Dw older veteran still poor on ducats

[sleek obsidian]

Ok what is better the drifter camp or the orbiter

[kind panther]

Preference

Drifter if you like outdoors a little more and dont mind the teleport orbiter for the space view and no teleport between navigating and everything else

[sleek obsidian]

Yea I’m using it because you can go outside and decorate the outside of the camp

[kind panther]

My lil roomba gets lost out there sometimes lol

[sleek obsidian]

Lol if I go out there my pet will follow me and gets stuck to

[jagged crane]

I would like Drifters camp so much more if the landing craft was attached to the orbiter, so it was still the same as the space version with getting between sections, but you can go outside too lol

[kind panther]

So with drifters camp is the thing in the water the orbiter itself i assume so as you can see the liset outline

[jagged crane]

Yeah it is

[kind panther]

Smort

[pseudo sable]

my heart says drifter's camp but my framerate says orbiter

[torpid lantern]

The true answer

[unique jetty]

in new war VO for operator sounds like a chipmunk cuz they got too old to voice teenager?

[autumn badge]

what was the prime shotgun we used in New War?

[orchid remnant]

corinth

[autumn badge]

thanks

[balmy badger]

IIRC they got completely new VO's.

They plan on redoing the previous quest lines with those VO's as well apparently...

Which personally, I don't look forward to. Not a fan of the new VO's for male op's.

[solar pewter]

“I’m the Operator, and this is my favorite fishmonger on the Cetus”

[unique jetty]

Hard to believe that one of the best bows in warframe is a quest reward
It's usually melee weapons that are rewarded

[foggy cosmos]

"A weapon as old as those you hunt: Nataruk!"

[autumn badge]

6 digit damage on my end. haven't really tried with damage buff frames

[fossil fractal]

the new va for falcon i dont really like

i like the old one more

[balmy badger]

I don't use female op, so I haven't heard the differences there as much.

[fossil fractal]

the new one just sounds idk

is angsty the right term

[scarlet basalt]

yo i have a great idea.
If your ship stay in the void you have a chance to see wally ramming through the void

[jagged crane]

I’m assuming Wally is the man in the wall lol?

[river willow]

yes

[jagged crane]

Yooo I got something right let’s go

[cyan crest]

Variations of the name include Wally, Wallman, the lad in the slab, you-but-better and "that creepy weirdo that wears my face"

[jagged crane]

When he has the lotus helmet he’s wearing two faces at once

[torn solar]

deja vu happens

[scarlet basalt]

MMh yes wally's famous line : "You don't like your face ? I like your face...Give it to me, give me your face"

[nocturne kiln]

What a wierd way to propose making out

[dreamy tartan]

🥖 Bonk

[oak gull]

It’s the DEA

[balmy storm]

don’t kiss void entities

[unique jetty]

Anyone thinks that man in the wall just trying to find friends?
But all he can offer is void powers and a big smile?

[fossil fractal]

i mean id take that deal

but he also gives insanity and thats not very pro gamer

[unique jetty]

Mb he was bullied in void high school, and now he trying to play with what might as well be ants for him

[fossil fractal]

someone else mentioned imagine if wally takes the route of "im weak help me take down bigger void entities" and we get another star chart or something lmfao

[orchid remnant]

Mitw played lunaro in high school he was top tier defender was about to go D1

[fossil fractal]

mitw has a son called boy in the door or something

[orchid remnant]

But then someone cut his finger off and now he’s just a guy who floats around

[fossil fractal]

truly the most tragic anime story

[torpid lantern]

You guys are funny

[balmy storm]

Where’s woman in the floor?

[unique jetty]

Cat in the ceiling

[hushed ferry]

me trying to master as many weapons as i can as fast as possible....

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon2000collector-gif-24503525

saddest part is that i got the bow from new war and dread at almost the same day

almost the complete opposite on status and crit

Moving now to my sister/lich collection

[unique jetty]

You don't feel the same sadness over mk1 Braton, do you?

[hushed ferry]

nah rifles so far suck to me

[unique jetty]

At least narutotook comes with a weapon slot and potato

[hushed ferry]

the order is anything that explodes/glaives > flamethrowers > some melee > shotguns > bow > rifle > kunai/shuriken

i master them just for the collecting mastery because so far especially grineer assault rifle sucks hard

but putting fire rate on shuriken/kunai at least make shooting them funny

[swift pond]

Break enemy skulls and your wrists with a max fire rate Hikou Prime

[river anchor]

So I'm supposed to shoot a specific spot to make sure the Owl hybrid doesn't heal.

Why does it blind me like there's a Mirage player shooting numerous zarr bombs with reckeless abandon.

[balmy badger]

Remember Hunhow's line about "closing in unseen". You need to use your smoke bomb to get inside the barrier, then you can shoot him to stop the healing.

[river anchor]

I already blew him up

my problem was that I can't see anything when it does that.

[balmy badger]

Oh, yeah bright colors will do that to ya.

[river anchor]

Flashbanged harder than the initial release of the particles update

[balmy badger]

Imagine having bloom intensity set to 100%.

[fossil fractal]

i didnt know that i just shot the archons until they died

unless i did but then i forgot

[foggy cosmos]

are kuva liches capable of flashbangs?

[fossil fractal]

i think so

off the top of my head a lich with a zarr or a bramma should do it

but i think some abilities do create crazy amounts of light

[balmy badger]

That tactic was for the owl specifically though.

[fossil fractal]

did i fight owl? i forgot

oh yeah i think i remember for that attack i just charged in until it let me in or something like that

[balmy badger]

Yeah, you can brute force it if you spam roll into it enough, but you are supposed to use the smoke bomb there, standing inside it makes you not get pushed back.

[river anchor]

Gosh it feels so cool to use Umbra for the NW

Double whammy in irony for Noodle-Arm Step-Dad

[autumn badge]

i kinda just kept spam shooting him until he stopped healing

[river anchor]

It feels good to have the Lotus back

[autumn badge]

i found it surprising we can customize her. even swap which skin she uses with plat

[cyan crest]

Oh
OH that makes more sense than spam rolling into the force field thing and shooting him

Which I totally didn't do

[autumn badge]

same. but it is tempting to buy the other appearances

i just stuck to Lotus, but was tempted to also give her the Natah look

[fossil fractal]

i bought natah look but ended up not using it

[cyan crest]

I'm tempted to buy Margulis because of the unfiltered voice and cause her face is pretty

Or Natah because of the heavily filtered voice and because her face is pretty

I want an unmasked lotus

[fossil fractal]

i thought voice filter was affected by name instead of skin

[cyan crest]

It is skin

[fleet veldt]

I'd like to see Lotus get more modularity in her customization.
But yeah, the filter is per-skin.

[fossil fractal]

yay

[cyan crest]

Even EidoLotus has a different filter

[fossil fractal]

neat

[autumn badge]

i need to look at my Operator's appearance. couldn't find something i had, and i guess it was one of the options Drifter can't use

[unique jetty]

I chose margulis, cuz she pretty
And I'm going night side of the spectrum anyways

But feels odd not having static of holo-lotus

[fossil fractal]

main reason i wanted to beat new war was get rid of holo-lotus

[autumn badge]

wasn't Holo-Lotus just Ordis posing as her or something?

[fossil fractal]

yeah

[unique jetty]

Kinda, hologram did same lines as real one would do
Even in quests

Like it was all pre-recorded

[autumn badge]

i kinda figured it was more like Ordis observing Lotus and Operator for so long he could mimic her (the irony)

[unique jetty]

A bit too good at mimicking

[river anchor]

Quick question, after the New War am I placed into a bracket or is it still the same matchmaking?

[opal rapids]

You have a new a Plains and Fortuna open world default but those would be the only places you're segregated from folks who haven't played

And the Narmer bounties on those open worlds obvs aren't accessible to non TNW players

I do not know if there's an unofficial courtesy "don't use a Drifter in front of the babies" policy like we used to have with Operators.

[river anchor]

Aw that's where I am 90% of the time

Man Fortuna looks ugly with the new look.

[fossil fractal]

sometimes youd randomly get intercepted by the real lotus

[opal rapids]

There's speculation that one of the new promised updates will let us fix that, or at least the inside

[fossil fractal]

its not a bug i think

pretty sure its intentional

[icy minnow]

Anyone care to tell me why my operator is doing FK-all damage to Eido shields !?.

I have the Shwaak, Shraksun, Lohrin Amp maxed.

[river anchor]

Do you have buffs?

[hushed ferry]

it is funny that every mission is like Yeah Lotus i know what to do

To when missions get silent you get like i am so lonely

[north trail]

Wait natah has a filter?

[cyan crest]

And Lotus does too

[north trail]

Ik about lotus

I've honestly never seen gameplay for anyone using natah

I personally chose margulis

And haven't bothered to buy the skins

I'll get xaku's deluxe just for the lotus skin tho

It looks cool

Hope it works better with various color palettes

I really want lotus/margulis/natah fashionframe

[cyan crest]

I wish we got more slots for customizing her

I hate having to change the colors each time I want a different looking Lotus

[fathom oasis]

What if we get adult operator from the next big update which can actually use guns and melee plus amps

Btw I put this here because Operator/Drifter (child, Teenager)

[kind panther]

Drifter is an adult operator is a teen

[graceful zodiac]

Drifter is the adult already

[kind panther]

Lol

[north trail]

Operator is a teenager lmao

They definitely aren't under 13

[fathom oasis]

They look short on my big tv

[final pebble]

several of the male drifters in particular look like they're pushing forty 😂 im really annoyed i can't have a prettyboy drifter

[cyan crest]

You can
It's just really hard

I'm pissed I cannot have a more androgynous operator

[north trail]

They're pretty androgynous

Or can get

[cyan crest]

They're either ugly or have a female shaped silhouette

And like
OK good enough

But
It could be better

Or it could be me not knowing how to mix faces properly

[final pebble]

i have had the exact same problem fog 😩 you can't mix male and female faces OR body shapes. i wouldn't be so frustrated except that they obviously already have the code for blending the faces, there's no reason to restrict it :/

[cyan crest]

Yeah :(

[oak gull]

DEA

[misty lake]

Thankfully I made my operator exactly how I imagined and they look ok

[fathom oasis]

I have male operator and a female drifter

Something here doesn’t make sense

[misty lake]

Hold on there one second

[fathom oasis]

Some weird brother sister paradox

[misty lake]

How do warframes have genders when at this point they are drones mostly

Ignoring umbra

[fathom oasis]

What was once boob turned infested

[misty lake]

Now they are tomours

I just woke up and can’t spell

[final pebble]

trans people can exist in the dystopian post-apocalypse future

ticker my beloved

[fathom oasis]

The infested is just a bad space yeast infection

[misty lake]

Just being honest ticker’s name makes me feel like they make bombs as a side job

[fathom oasis]

Yes

[graceful zodiac]

Because the peope they're based on had genders. Why would it suddenly be different.

[fleet veldt]

This should be capitalised on.

[fathom oasis]

Kinda have it’s funny really as when I made the change and they spoke together I felt more like a sibling connection than really “you’re talking to yourself”

[fleet veldt]

Cute.

[misty lake]

Time but I guess the infestation or whatever stuff kinda preserved them

I kinda thought they were mostly a biological mass with infested being used as a drone

Again ignoring umbra

[autumn badge]

the way i understood it, i believe Operator/Drifter are the same age. supposing Operator's deal and giving him Void magic stopped him from growing up. Drifter confirms he's not from the future, just an alternate timeline

[final pebble]

in terms of objective age (aka how much time has passed in the universe since their birth) theyre the same, obviously. but their subjective ages are different. the operators spent a very long time in stasis and didn't age at all, and the drifter didn't spend time in any kind of stasis.

[autumn badge]

true, forgot about the stasis thing

[fleet veldt]

The OG Warframes (pre-Transference) were made from Dax and other reputable people in the Empire (often including people who did wrong by the Empire) being augmented with Infested.

Warframes after the discovery of Transference to my speculation may be more Infested Puppet than former Dax.

Exempting the one-off case of Umbra.

[cyan crest]

If they're just puppets and not people, the whole taking away pain thing is pretty pointless

Also uhm

Like
Idk how exactly to put this into words

Nevermind it was a dumb thought

[graceful zodiac]

Not particularly, given we know the Infestation can contain and copy consciousness

Primarily through Jordas, granted he gets some leeway as a computer

[misty lake]

Umbra is special

“Special”

[fleet veldt]

Jordas is a Cephalon. Or at least, a Cephalon/Infested hybrid.

[final pebble]

in rhino p's codex, there's a description of rhino running berserk but going calm and motionless when it gets close enough to feel transference signals from the sleeping tenno. this implies that our presence is what keeps our warframes in a placid state instead of acting under their own instincts.

[scarlet basalt]

"Warframe are sick
and we are their drugs"
-Quote from maybe a tenno having an emo phase

[misty lake]

Warframe drugs?

What is umbra then insane?

Or maybe they know more than anyone

[graceful zodiac]

No, just grief stricken

[misty lake]

Ptsd even maybe

[graceful zodiac]

Both, yes

[scarlet basalt]

i think that ballas made him to always remember how he killed isaah ?

[misty lake]

Wait I haven’t seen that part yet

Or forgor it

I’ll get back to you on that

[kind panther]

Grineer watching my warframe as a grown man pops out amd make a ring (they cant do anything as they’re trapped in a ball of tentacles)

[final pebble]

this may or may not be spoilers (drifter fashion) but... why is the tooth texture linked to the skin tone 😭 no wonder i never see any operators of color

[graceful zodiac]

I don't think it is. My drifter is dark with normal teeth

[final pebble]

hmm... i wonder what i did to get this result then... and how do i fix it 😂

[unborn thunder]

Rotten teeth bruh

[cyan crest]

It might be something like the eye shine color of something

[unborn thunder]

Stank breath

[unborn thunder]

Your pfp really reminds me of the cover of After the silence by Leon branche lol

[cyan crest]

Lol

In truth it is an oscilloscope doing some weird stuff because of an arg

It, the oscilloscope, never lead anywhere but we got Fog

[unborn thunder]

I understood none of this

[cyan crest]

Weird device did weird thing with an audio file

[unborn thunder]

Amazing

[cyan crest]

It looked like a cephalon, it came from audio "fog"

So Cephalon Fog

[final pebble]

i love cephalon OCs almost as much as i love operator/drifter OCs

[cyan crest]

If you think about it, all operators and drifters are ocs

[cyan crest]

Also it's kind of a collective oc, I just took over the name when nobody was looking

[final pebble]

i know a lot of people RP as themself in the game, or don't really put any thought into their Dr/Op as a character. 🤔 i'm one of those people who has friends who also play the game, and made their operators into fully-fledged characters--and we have backstories for the group, and side characters in the clan, and we really go overboard but it's such fun 😂

[fleet veldt]

I'm a bit of both.

[tribal whale]

oscilloscopes are amazing
if only they weren't so expensive I'd have more money in my bank acct now

[dreamy tartan]

Some do it for the immersion, I have issue getting in the story if I have nothing to do with the character. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[final pebble]

sure, it's a completely legitimate way to play the game 😄 i can't get into playing as myself if i can't get the avatar to look like me, pfft

[fleet veldt]

I get the feel - or at least look like the gear/armour/style they've got is your fashion taste.

[lone axle]

"Executor Ballas Prime Paracesis"
its essentially an orokin kuva weapon lol

[torpid lantern]

You sound just like me! My operator's name is Faeii and I'm part of an rp community that does the same thing! We've fully designed our Ops with backstories and everything. And have non-Tenno characters too. Grineer, Corpus, and lots of NPCs in between

It's one of the reasons I'm so excited for veilbreaker, cuz I spend so much time writing and researching the lives of non-Tenno in the WF universe

[unique jetty]

finished angels of zariman as drifter, and this happened

[kind panther]

Tall teen

Just developing well

[unique jetty]

very strechy

[latent ferry]

e x t e n d e d

[foggy cosmos]

tainted operator

[deft void]

Dunno where to ask this but this is a safe area as any.
The song 'Sleeping in the cold below'
"From mothers hands we go, we'll be sailing to the sun 'till the voyage is done."
Could that of been forshadowing for New War?

[swift pond]

Huh. Quite a coincidence now that you mention...

[whole whale]

Dunno, but it's in the past now prolly sleeping in the cold below

[balmy storm]

[scarlet basalt]

Foreshadowing parvos's next idea ?
Tbh yes it could be perghasa's thing

[vivid kernel]

I made mine Bruce Wayne and I have a ash that looks like Batman

[ocean nymph]

So doing Railjack story, Did Cy intentionally sabotage the old war ship to kill the crew on purpose or was it merely he ignored the dangers due to his conflicted orders?

[swift pond]

The takeaway is that he valued the mission over his crew, if I remember. That's why he's more concerned with our safety nowadays.

[ocean nymph]

Ah ok, the way he phrases it, he says something like "The mission means the crew dies, but my precepts are to protect the crew, but the crew precepts are to complete the missions

I completed the mission"

Just seemed the usual ominous implication "I activated deathtraps to ensure the crew dies due to my programming analyzing that they need to"

If not great, I like Cy

[cyan crest]

It seems to be more of a "I could've saved them but I didn't and the mission was complete" than a "I actually consciously killed them to complete the mission"

[final pebble]

yeah what fog said. cy clearly cared about his crew, but he made the decision to complete the mission instead of keep his crew alive. he regrets this decision and in hindsight has decided it was the Wrong Decision™️ which is why he tells us he's not a viable command cephalon. a cephalon that makes The Wrong Decision in a crisis shouldn't be trusted to pilot a ship.

[ocean nymph]

Good I like Cy

[cyan crest]

Aaand that's why he always pulls us out when the hull is about to collapse

Instead of like, having a game over where the ship blows up

Because he values our lives over the mission