spoiler-chat

[tribal hemlock]

and I hate it as most people saying "cope, deal with it, timezone issue" or something

[craggy solstice]

Ah, you actually missed it. Okay.

https://www.youtube.com/c/PlayWarframe/videos I mean, you can still watch the reveals on their youtube.

Duviri Paradox was shown some years ago. Maybe a year or two.

But we're just now seeing more of it.

[tribal hemlock]

I'd rather not to take the damage even future

[craggy solstice]

Knowing about future updates is important and shows your expectations, but it's your choice to not see what is coming next.

[tribal hemlock]

I mean, it's sorta like Christmas presents

[scarlet basalt]

Comically large spoon should stay tbh

[tribal hemlock]

if you know what's inside, then you won't get any excitement

[craggy solstice]

There is still some things not completely revealed, but I suppose so.

More of a taste.

[tribal hemlock]

I mean, it's not suppose to be the human size spoon when at the shop it's even barely the size of arm

but if they manage to make the scale even future, then I'll be more impress

[scarlet basalt]

only a spoonful of orokin's icecream 😈

[tribal hemlock]

like, imagine gigantic spoon that's about the size of orbiter

[cyan crest]

Knowing them that ice-cream is probably made from babies

[scarlet basalt]

what fr ?

[cyan crest]

The orbiter without the landing craft can be used as a spoon

[cyan crest]

They're orokin, pointless cruelty is their thing

[tribal hemlock]

or, the tiny size of nutrition cube that you could basically make a rubik cube

if they can make the scaling even further, man

[scarlet basalt]

Orokin after dismembering cetus's citizen and use their corpse as mascot to scare them : 😎

[cyan crest]

Do you mean further?

[tribal hemlock]

the creativity is unlimited and the imagination is limit

[cyan crest]

It was Ostrons but it wasn't said to be on Cetus
Apparently they were homeless people in a big city not in cetus

[tribal hemlock]

yeah, further

[scarlet basalt]

that's even worse now

[tribal hemlock]

I wanna see if they can make a model out of spoon tho lmao

(in small scale of course)

[late spoke]

I wonder were the 2019 Duviri plains scene is gonna be in the 2022 tennocon revealed.

[tribal hemlock]

it's nice to have the scaling option, but the scaling is limited =.=

and the limitations were somehow broke some of the scaling

[cyan crest]

There are many different islands

[late spoke]

Oh

Hm

Probably part of the Paradox part

The mask doesnt fit our drifters face tho lile it does in the 2019 trailer same with the character design in the trailer showing the operator model riding a horse

I wonder if they will change the model to the 2019 operator model

Also in the Old teshin scene i hope to god he gives us his armour later in the quest

[static nimbus]

Man, I can't wait for Veilbreaker.

They're apparently adding an entire new farm with those Archon crystals 🙂

But I'll do anything for customizable Kahl

[late spoke]

Yes

I wonder 8f veilbreaker will be in november

Also is it a permanent mode?

[opal rapids]

It feels like it will be the TNW content we wanted

[late spoke]

Ah

But will it be permanent?

[opal rapids]

Devs only know

[late spoke]

Mm

[frail nymph]

Yes but a lot of people got super angry when they got the equivalent of new shoes instead of a new hoodie... From a company that makes footwear...

(Basically everyone that said New War sucked and was a huge disappointment because of weird expectations)

[late spoke]

Kahl clem cosplay here we go

[supple dagger]

looking at the soulframe page source tells some cool stuff

aprently we gotta reserve something and we can get something about an in game item too

[orchid remnant]

Why are you looking at the source

It’s available on the normal website

[sharp spoke]

Lol, indeed

[cyan crest]

I think they didn't solve the riddle

[sharp spoke]

Oh yeah, forgot about the sign-up puzzle

[north trail]

Envoys of ode sky

It's funny how the signup is locked behind a puzzle lol

[north trail]

New war wasn't what i expected but still fricking amazing

[sharp spoke]

Agreed. There were times when I wished X had been different, but I still enjoyed every minute of it

• except when I kept getting caught by Deacons because I'm an idiot

[autumn turret]

i got stuck before the vent for a bit because it wasnt clear you could go in

[opal rapids]

I only ever have gotten a black page haha heck.

[sharp spoke]

Same, kept trying to go to the Vallis elevator

[autumn turret]

also the only new war dissapointment i had should be fixed coming soon

[sharp spoke]

[opal rapids]

Some of us have never gone to the vent kids without fast travel and this quest taught me that

[autumn turret]

i have, but its a very different vent

[sharp spoke]

Indeed

[autumn turret]

i also would have liked a little more from the kahl and veso segment instead of just the one but i guess thats also kinda getting fixed with veilbreaker

[opal rapids]

Also seeing them veiled almost broke me rip

[autumn turret]

but rip veso

[sharp spoke]

rip

I mostly wanted more war before Narmer steamrolled over the system.
Like, the bit when Kahl witnesses the Grineer charge and the thumper comes along, everything is hype and then the thumper gets shot down.
Was epic, wanted more of that.

[autumn turret]

yea

[hollow radish]

A combination of multiple plot revisions and covid, no idea why the plot revisions though.

[flat shadow]

Plot revisions are a part of the process. All plots get them.

[autumn turret]

because deimos was spposed to be post tnw and was moved to pre

[hollow radish]

True, but it seems like there was more revision than you'd expect. Granted, I don't know how DE organizes development and because of that I can't even offer opinions.

Even then, they're clearly making a great game. I'm not ungrateful, it's just a little confusing.

The last thing I want here is to come off as going, "Raaaaagh, horrible game." in that kind of self-superior way that people can show at times.

[final pebble]

i'm of the same opinion. DE did their best with covid stepping in and messing stuff up. i'll forever be curious about how the game would have turned out if they'd been able to follow their original trajectory. but that doesnt mean i dislike the game we ended up with.

[hollow radish]

It also seems like they're trying to bring more stuff in from previous drafts, given stuff like Veilbreaker.

At this point, it just seems like the order of content showing up is being shuffled around.

Far moreso than it being cut per se.

I mean if there's absolutely no way whatsoever to work stuff in, I understand. It does at least look like they're trying to fit more alternate draft stuff in somehow, though.

...Come to think of it, that's pretty unusual for a game dev although unusual in a good way here.

[final pebble]

yeah very much so. thats the danger of a live-service game that's in continual development i suppose. i was observing to a friend the other day that although the parvos granum stuff seems kind of weird and shoehorned in to us oldies, to someone playing the game fresh who has only ever seen the corpus ships filled with the granum worship, the deadlock protocol is a (relatively, this is still WF lol) sensible and coherent reveal of gamelore that as far as they're concerned has always been there.

so many people complain about DE taking stuff in weird/wild directions but maybe it only seems that way because people created their own ideas and expectations about what the game was, and then held those expectations for years while DE worked toward revealing story/content they'd had planned for ages

[hollow radish]

You sometimes lose sight of what preceding content is like. For example, I didn't really think about the fact that the New War's characterization isn't all that off when you consider what we saw in the Prelude to War stuff.

You think more about the promo content and less about whether what we get matches up with the previous stuff.

It fits, just not in the way that we sometimes expect.

[final pebble]

yeah exactly. DE does a lot of tweaking of mechanics, but i do think they've had the broader strokes of the story planned out for quite a while

[cunning copper]

I would certainly hope they do, the game has been being worked on in one form or another for over 20 years

Would be a hell of a long time to not have things planned out well in advance

[autumn turret]

no begging allowed here

[late spoke]

Kahl means bald 8n a different language LOL

[sage bough]

Just started new war, I cannot belive warframe is a free game

Worth more than any aaa game in my book

[obtuse gyro]

Free yes, but Ive spent more money on it than any AAA game

Worth it doe

[sage bough]

Getting into this game was the best idea ever

2 weeks well spent lol

[twilit geode]

Well I’ve been playing since 2013 and still don’t regret it.

[frail nymph]

How is Veilbreaker previous draft stuff though? Don't they say right from the beginning that they were separating the content and story of New War for practical purposes?

[hollow radish]

...Well I definitely missed that.

I guess I expected a content buildup.

Mostly because of the Scarlet Spear release appearing to set the tone.

[frail nymph]

Yeah that's because SS came out before they flipped the switch on Deimos

[hollow radish]

As far as Veilbreaker stuff being previous draft content, the Erra-based archon.

Slash archon made out of Erra and something else.

However you want to phrase that.

Admittedly, it's not necessarily Erra.

He's pretty unique in appearance thus far, but technically we don't have any guarantees about that.

Though I could be misremembering.

[frail nymph]

Basically New War delays were initially because of technical difficulties of RJ.
So until Scarlett spear, they really thought it would be out as expected, but around 6-10 months later than initially planned (July - Dec 2019)

But then Deimos had to be released due to New War not being possible from lockdown

[hollow radish]

Hm? I'm not sure how Deimos had to be released, I thought it was a sidestory that didn't have extremely strong ties to the New War.

[frail nymph]

The story didn't change by itself, the main plot, as they've said in interviews. But the implementation changed entirely

[hollow radish]

Aha.

That sounds about right, honestly. The content is all coming, it's just the release order has been moved around.

Or... Well.

Not moved around per se as much as just that it's not the buildup that some initially expected.

[frail nymph]

Basically Kahl, Veso, etc content didn't exist even as an idea until end of 2020/until 2021

At least if I remember the interviews correctly of course

[hollow radish]

Huh.

Admittedly, I guess I felt like the Kahl/Veso/Etc stuff were part of an endgame scenario at first.

-Herp.

Sorry, misread. Rather, I felt like the end of the first act was meant to be an endgame thing.

[frail nymph]

Yeah because covid just didn't end and they had to take a whole detour lap with multiple RJ updates, Deadlock, sisters, etc. Gotta kill time

[hollow radish]

nods

I'm not blaming the team or anything, covid sucked for everyone.

[frail nymph]

Basically I've decided to only judge live service stuff post-release to see the intended experience

Keeping up live is fun and they do many limited time events but in that case just gotta expect issues

[hollow radish]

I mean there were some things from earlier trailers that implied a different story.

Or at least different story elements.

Like Praghasa speaking.

[frail nymph]

Yeah original New War was abandoned to some extent

SS and OV is the only finished-before-Deimos content that we ever saw from the 2019 version of new war quest content.

They stopped working on New War completely for 6 months and then for 6 more months major focus was on Railjack and Deadlock and and Sisters and stuff

[autumn turret]

i wish i could have done ss

[hollow radish]

It was pretty good. A little tedious to me, but still good.

[autumn turret]

i started on xbox like a week or two after the event ended

[jolly agate]

What is this creature

[autumn turret]

mergoo

why is this a spoiler

[hollow radish]

Wrong channel, maybe?

Oh!

Is it at the Drifter's camp?

[jolly agate]

Yes

[autumn turret]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Mergoo

[hollow radish]

Gotcha.

[jolly agate]

Why is the model in drifters camp

[autumn turret]

it is a creature who lives on earth

[shell holly]

Weirdly enough, there's one that keeps spawning right outside Fortuna for me... idk if that's always been a thing, but I only noticed it after exploring the Vallis post-New War

[autumn turret]

well it shouldnt be there

well unless someone smuggled one in as a pet and released it when they realized it sucked

[shell holly]

And yet, there it is, against all odds. Extrememly wrong migration route moment

That too

[balmy storm]

Mergoos are cool

Lil archwing birds

[autumn turret]

lizards

[twilit geode]

Winged Sausages

[jolly agate]

@marsh lichen Your operator looks like a sith

[proud tundra]

@marsh lichen your Warframe looks like a gigachad

[rigid yoke]

There's actually a like 10+ mergoos outside fortunas door. Found them with a friend.

[uneven epoch]

its not special, its interaction that should happen right after sacrifice quest

[fallow torrent]

||with Reb becoming head creative on Warframe, she is now Space Mom in both the Game AND real life. With her at the head of Warframe it self, and the return of Lotus to our ships, its quite fitting. 😐 ||

[cyan crest]

The rest of the team will be missed tho
I guess we'll have to play Soulframe too

[uneven epoch]

just found out somthing interesting in saturn sabotage mission

[wraith sigil]

What

[uneven epoch]

lotus line for completing sabotage

one sec, need wiki quote

[wraith sigil]

“A fuel cell has been placed in the coolant system. Restarting the reactor will produce hazardous magnetic activity.”

[cyan crest]

Uhm
That's not exactly the mission complete line

Lol

[wraith sigil]

Yea I kinda get it

[uneven epoch]

quote for completing drilling machines sabotage

[wraith sigil]

Because there are 2 Saturn sabotage missions

[wraith sigil]

“It must be destroyed to prevent the grineer from producing energy weapons.”

[uneven epoch]

another one

[wraith sigil]

Just find it, I lost track

[uneven epoch]

after completing sabotage

or i misheard smth

[cyan crest]

That's not the mission complete line, that line triggers when you complete the mission

[uneven epoch]

gotta do another sabotage then

[wraith sigil]

“Excellent work. You have managed to thwart potentially dangerous discoveries before being fully realized, for now.”

[cyan crest]

That'd be the one, I think

[uneven epoch]

yep, that one

wonder if it can be spoiler for natah quest i think
or she says about energy weapons

[wraith sigil]

I don’t think that would make sense since it was a mission in Saturn and I don’t remember any sentient remains on that planet

Your 1st statement I mean

As for the energy weapons… idk

[uneven epoch]

if im not wrong hunhow parts wasnt only on uranus

[wraith sigil]

I’m listening

[uneven epoch]

also uranus (and natah quest) comes after saturn

[wraith sigil]

Hmm good point

[uneven epoch]

at this point of walkthrough player can suspect Lotus in consealing

[frail nymph]

When using spoiler tags in spoiler chat, better reply to whoever you are hiding the spoiler from. Otherwise, others may not be able to judge where exactly is the information from, before deciding to uncover it.

Cause I'm assuming you're only using ||spoiler tags|| in #spoiler-chat to hide some info from a specific player after guessing which things they don't know yet

[dreamy wadi]

doe s lotus even hav a use after new war?

[frail nymph]

Same purpose as she had before Apostasy Prologue

[dreamy wadi]

so i wasted hour of my life?

to get smth i had before?

[frail nymph]

Yes

[dreamy wadi]

i j u s t w a n n a d i e r n

[frail nymph]

That's like saying getting your child back after they get kidnapped is a waste of time

[dreamy wadi]

o

tru

[frail nymph]

Also nothing much changed for us, but for her, her entire existence is different now.

[dreamy wadi]

o

[frail nymph]

She's no longer in a hazy fog of personalities fighting each other

[dreamy wadi]

so no more random mission like kill 1000 things and then extract?

[frail nymph]

If you know Marvel, she's like Vision after Vision finally understood that he's not Jarvis and he's not Ultron.

[dreamy wadi]

o

[frail nymph]

Those were ever random. Those were aways to stop Grineer/Corpus from doing something bad.

[dreamy wadi]

a h k

[frail nymph]

Corpus and Grineer still exist. So we still need to fight them.

[dreamy wadi]

then whats usefull in this?

[frail nymph]

For Tenno perspective, she might be more truthful and helpful when it comes to stuff she doesn't like about her past, but that's about it.

For her, it was like doing the Second Dream quest. Before that quest, you thought you were a Warframe, but you learned that you're a Tenno. After New War, she finally understood for the first time what she is.

Mechanics-wise, she is more free to leave her room I guess

[dreamy wadi]

oh thats...

      use less

i feel like i shouldnt have even asked this question

[frail nymph]

Not sure what you expected anyway

[dreamy wadi]

i thought something cool thats helps in battle like operator

but now i lost all hopes on this

[cyan crest]

She has different dialogue in New quests depending on personality she chose at the end of the quest. Also uh character growth is important lol not everything is shooting lasers in extermination missions with your operator

[dreamy wadi]

ahk

[north trail]

Also you know, the whole 4 hours quest you just played

That's literally the content

Not what comes after

[cyan crest]

What comes after is also important but the mission control character is not gonna stop being that for no reason

[north trail]

I mean you shouldn't really play a quest expecting to get something useful after it

The quest itself is the main appeal

[cyan crest]

And you get useful stuff too, nataruk is super useful

[north trail]

Nataruk is nice yes

[uneven epoch]

i hope nataruk will be required in archon hunt

[flat shadow]

Probably not. DE doesn't tend to make certain weapons or builds required in normal game play, mostly just quests,

[obtuse gyro]

closest we get is the xoris and granum voids, but even then if you have a strong enough build you can do away with the xoris

[flat shadow]

I never use it, so I always forget how much easier it makes void.

[scarlet basalt]

Seems that nataruk with the high damage potential is surely a go to weapon for archon ? 🤔
Maybe the best tbh

[obtuse gyro]

laughs in felarx

[scarlet basalt]

There must be some weird mechanics that will involve the eidolon crystal that need high damage in 1 go maybe 😭 ?
I mean Hunhow made this weapon to go against the archon and it seems really good on boss fight

[obtuse gyro]

felarx has the 50% chance for 21x damage

[scarlet basalt]

true,every incarnon weapon has really high potential and destroy literally every content with how they work lol

[azure light]

Started new war yesterday, only got to the drifter camp before i decide to stop for the night. The part I have the most trouble with was actually the kahl part since all the fire and particle reduced my potato to chugging out a consistent 6fps gameplay & 18fps cutscenes. Are there many other part in new war similar to that?

[cyan crest]

I don't think any part had that many things going on at the same time

Other than kahl's

[azure light]

Oh, veso, teshin and drifter were fine, 35fps

[cyan crest]

Yeah you'll be fine, if the first archon encounter didn't cause any problem you should be fine

[balmy badger]

Yep, Kahl's mission chugs. You're on the Plains of Eidolon with way more effects on screen than usual.

Oh, I just responded to a 5 hour old convo

[rigid yoke]

A classic

[supple dagger]

I miss Kahl :(

[sharp spoke]

We'll get him back soon :)

[autumn turret]

well you wont be soon

[balmy storm]

Where did Bombastine and the other orokin-like people come from exactly? Those aboard the Zariman after the jump were just children and the few survivors that still hadn’t given in to the Angel’s song

[sharp spoke]

And they're still very lavish and extravagant. They exude Orokin vibes

[tawny flicker]

does anyone have a nidus prime nero and chass

[uneven epoch]

duviri is a big theatre then? dominus is narrator, and everyone else is actors, while drifters and other uknown persons trying to make something behind the scenes (during the antracts)

[uneven epoch]

trading chat

[supple dagger]

Duviri is the tenno drama class lol

[sharp spoke]

Theatre is a great overarching description of Duviri

• what we've seen of it, anyway

[balmy storm]

I’m wondering if rather than Duviri just being a timeline where we did or did not take the deal it’s one where a different kind of tenno took the deal

[uneven epoch]

zariman people gone mad, and started mimc Orokin

[balmy storm]

What

[sharp spoke]

Like... maybe Wally plays on our instincts and feelings, such that when we took his deal, we wanted to save everyone.
Thrax was a child who wanted nothing more than to be above others?

[graceful zodiac]

That conflict with Drifter's Story. He doesn't jump realities by himself

[sharp spoke]

Like a mucked up genie

[balmy storm]

Maybe?

[sharp spoke]

Idk, it's a stretch, just throwing things at the *wally

[balmy storm]

Wym

I mean it’s possible, we don’t know enough about Wally or Thrax yet

[uneven epoch]

someone from above (wally probably) returned him back to operator universe

Wally is like real god

[sharp spoke]

The closest thing to a "deity" that we've experienced in lore. It's terrifying, really

[uneven epoch]

he is so powerful that he don't need to act like god/king, he can prank everyone

[sharp spoke]

Right, dude's just havin' a laugh

[balmy storm]

What are Wally’s feats again?

Gave us void powers?
Was a giant wall?
Pranks us on the regular?

[sharp spoke]

Can grant incredible abilities at will, copy lifeforms it encounters

[uneven epoch]

regularly checks if we not dead yet

[balmy storm]

I’d describe Wally as something more eldritch than anything tbh

[sharp spoke]

Is the source of FTL, see Event Horizon, Warhammer 40k

[sharp spoke]

Oh for sure, but he's the most Godlike thing we've experienced by far

[balmy storm]

We know they have power over the void, we just don’t know the extent of that

[uneven epoch]

"Carrion hordes trill their profane
Accord with eldritch plans"

[sharp spoke]

That's the infested tho

[balmy storm]

I hope we get to see more of them soon, I really want to see more of their character, their history and their goals

[uneven epoch]

sorry, "eldritch" is rare word, that was my mind

[sharp spoke]

I gotcha, it's a great word, and both Wally and infested are eldritch-y

[sharp spoke]

Another instance where I do and I don't. I'm fine with more void hijinks with no explanation

[balmy storm]

I think it’s interesting that they are seemingly something we should be afraid of but tbh, they’ve seemed kinda helpful

[balmy storm]

Yeah, I don’t want a clear explanation, but more insight into what Wally is, who they are and what they want would be awesome

[uneven epoch]

our operator was afraid of it
btw, where drifter was atm? as i remember, they both were at one place

[balmy storm]

What?

[uneven epoch]

in cinematic operator was terrified by wally

[balmy storm]

I mean yeah, big scary wall

[uneven epoch]

and as i remember, drifter and operator was at the same time, in the same place

[balmy storm]

But has Wally really done anything harmful yet?
What reason do we have to be afraid?
What exactly is Wally?

[balmy storm]

Idk what that has to do with what I’m talking about but ok

[uneven epoch]

haha giant wall goes "oull ris xata vome khra lohk"

[sharp spoke]

Ummm... he only saved the children on the Z, caused a situation in which families murdered each other by the thousands

[scarlet basalt]

A deal is a deal

[sharp spoke]

I use "saved" very loosely here

[balmy storm]

Caused what situation? The jump failing? We don’t know what caused that
And we don’t know why he only saved the children, maybe only because that’s all he could save, seemed the void was not fond of the adults anyway

[torpid lantern]

I wish I could upvote this haha

[sharp spoke]

Lol

[sharp spoke]

The problem is, like you've said, we have no idea what the parameters of his influence are.
Bus idk, he might have been able to cure their crazies?

[scarlet basalt]

What if wally saved the children because they're brains are still developing,meaning that he could "mess" around with it.
Whereas adults have Fully developed brains in which he can't do much about it 🤔 and only make them mad ?

[sharp spoke]

That's what I was thinking

[balmy storm]

Possible possible
but why grant the drifter power

The drifter is very clearly not a child

[scarlet basalt]

This is the new test : what if you bring two timeline together 🤔 ? Maybe he want to see something like that

[orchid remnant]

Drifter is actually three kids stacked on top of each other

[uneven epoch]

were adults really mad? or did kids thought so?

[sharp spoke]

Right. Well it seems that time passes in some fashion in Duviri, but who the heck knows what's going on their

[sharp spoke]

Well, we heard the insane screaming out in the hallways

[thick jolt]

Some were ,not all apparently

[balmy storm]

I like the idea that Wally’s just doing all this to test what they can do until the universe breaks

[scarlet basalt]

Rell proved that his mother went mad but for the rest it could be another holdfasts's cases

[scarlet basalt]

Look like we are his first patients tbh, he is just messing to see things lol

[onyx cobalt]

We know that the zariman well and truly did fall into chaos, at the very least

[thick jolt]

The arg audio logs showed the insanity pretty well i think

[uneven epoch]

crying bc their children might be in danger, and they cant make sure of it

[scarlet basalt]

Rell's comic, operator's line, the new war,the arg and the angel of the zariman explained very well yes

[sharp spoke]

Was way more animalistic than just worry and grief

[thick jolt]

Yup

[sharp spoke]

Oh, I haven't actually listened to all of that

[uneven epoch]

okay, i surrender

[gloomy skiff]

Hombask was torn apart by the crazed crowd

[scarlet basalt]

But holdfasts case seems to be plausible because somehow they didn't broke through the weak barricade that our class made lol.
Tbh i don't understand how it hold but it hold

[torpid lantern]

The crazy adults were probably something MITW had a hand in tbh. The void doesn't discriminate based on age. We know there were babies, young pre teens, teenagers like the few tenno we saw in class, young adults and everything in between. And not EVERY adult went crazy. We don't know how many didn't because they were probably murdered. We also don't know if any of the kids went crazy.
Margulis indicated that many were after the fact but we dont know when they changed and if that was the same thing the adults had. In the Zariman, it seems kinda selective. I want to guess that most of the ones that went crazy had kids.
We have stories about the crazy ones and they had kids but the Holdfast didn't.

[thick jolt]

Maybe those things had magnetic stands and were made of something magnetic

[torpid lantern]

There's also a very weird hint in the ARG content if you're interested

[sharp spoke]

Maybe held in place by void powers

[uneven epoch]

seems like true

[sharp spoke]

Always interested in lore hints and such

[scarlet basalt]

True,
Cavalero said that he didn't want a wife nor kid.
I guess that the rest aren't parents because they don't speak anything about finding their own child which would be the first instinct of a loving parents 🤔 unless they're not loving parents ?
The selection of the crazy ones was also,it seems, to be with the ressource fading away bcz one of the holdfast may have done a big oopsies

[gloomy skiff]

After incident, our operator urged others not to fall asleep
Perhaps people went mad in sleep?

[torpid lantern]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/966018368970850425/968297089857650758/unknown-41.jpg

[sharp spoke]

Interesting idea. Voidy dreams and such

[scarlet basalt]

Literally albretch entrati all over again

[sharp spoke]

Yeah, that's nuts, and very interesting

[scarlet basalt]

It seems that the tenno doesn't get anything out of seeing their own doppelganger but the adults do get very stressed /mad/etc..?

[torpid lantern]

It's why I feel MITW had something to do with it

[sharp spoke]

They went mad not knowing who or what was actually the people they knew - including themselves

[scarlet basalt]

Just being a little bit silly

[sharp spoke]

[torpid lantern]

[scarlet basalt]

My god : what if wally wanted to replace our solar system with doppelganger 🧠
Black mirror moment

[uneven epoch]

horror system

[sharp spoke]

It's just a prank bro

[torpid lantern]

I'd wager all my credits on him intentionally driving adults insane to make the kids desperate enough to accept his deal. In TNW, he says that in order for the deal to work, the main Tenno HAS to WANT it.

Then we see a scene of numerous alternative realities of that Tenno dying as they're overwhelmed by the void, likely because they didn't accept the deal willingly with everything they had

[sharp spoke]

Man, Warframe is cool.

[torpid lantern]

In the end, there are only two realities where the main Tenno is seen alive. The one where they accept the deal willingly. And the one where they reject the deal and manages to survive the ship, aka Drifter (who we know is being punished in Duviri)

[scarlet basalt]

Seems true, he can't force much things but somehow he find his way

[gloomy skiff]

And yet we have Drifter who didn't have any kind of deal before the new war

[uneven epoch]

thanks man

now i understand everything

[torpid lantern]

He rejected the deal and was the only reality that apparently managed somehow to survive.

[scarlet basalt]

But now i wonder : did we make a pact with ourselves ? Smilar to wally ?
In TNW where you choose between drifter and operator
So is the operator capable of making deal smilar to wally 😮 ?

[torpid lantern]

I keep saying he because of the demo but I forget that the main Tenno is actually female because of Mara 😅

[uneven epoch]

who is mara?

[gloomy skiff]

Which in turn brings up the question
What did Drifter do to survive and how did he end up in duviri?

[scarlet basalt]

he somehow survived lol.
But it must have been years 😮, which also ask the question : did he only go to the duviri paradox ?

[uneven epoch]

survive the adults first, food second

[scarlet basalt]

Kill the adults,eat the adults tbh ? I mean,it's free food

[torpid lantern]

Mara is the female in the New War trailer using Nova. She is the main character. Rebecca confirmed on stream that her name is Mara and that she's been the canonical Tenno that they've used in all their scripts

[uneven epoch]

ohh, k, didnt know

[torpid lantern]

I miss chatting with you guys. I used to talk way more about all sorts of lore trivia. I'm so busy

[sharp spoke]

It's a good time in here

[uneven epoch]

im gotta go sleep now, its 2:30 at night

[sharp spoke]

G'night

[uneven epoch]

thanks

goobye everyone!

[scarlet basalt]

night

[torpid lantern]

Bye!

[opal rapids]

it's Faeii, who got me to name my kiddo.

[torpid lantern]

Chekyah! The operators all deserve names. I think it's super cool how when you transfer out of your Warframe, the operator has the player name. It's also what characters refer to you as. So the ingame name is supposed to be the name of the Operator

I just recently was finally able to get the name Faeii for my operator so now she has the right name again! I almost cried I was so happy

[lone axle]

id name my operator after myself but calling her saturn would be cruel to her

[sharp spoke]

Saturns a pretty cool name tho

God of time and other stuff

[lone axle]

yeah but take into account where the zariman incident happened lol

[sharp spoke]

Oh, right.... lmao

[torpid lantern]

Hmm.. but some of the Tenno might have had homes on Saturn beforehand

I think they'd still be fond of the planet

[sharp spoke]

And being named after a planet is still very cool, plus you get to have an ironic and traumatic experience associated with it!
Character development intensifies

[orchid remnant]

I wonder what a pre-Grineer Saturnian home would be like

I know Sargas quelled a rebellion there

Do they just live in the rings?

[sharp spoke]

Either absolutely lovely, or incredibly bleak. No in between

[orchid remnant]

If they live in the rings then it’s probably not too nice you just see tons of asteroids around you

[sharp spoke]

Yeah but maybe the cabins are awesome

[safe meadow]

That's why being on xbox sucks it's just your gamer tag

[sharp spoke]

Big oof

[safe meadow]

And primalwarior is a rubbish name 😂

[sharp spoke]

Lmao

[safe meadow]

So head cannon they're called Elias

[sharp spoke]

Head cannon,
Launches severed heads at incredible speeds! You won't believe the brains that went into this thing! Literally!

[safe meadow]

Brilliant, that would be a crazy funny weapon for the werewolf frame 😄

[sharp spoke]

God, how horrifying.

[safe meadow]

Just rips off a corpus head and stuffs it in the barrel

[sharp spoke]

Containment fields in the chamber keep the head intact as it is ejected from the barrel! No mess until you fire!

[safe meadow]

We do not recommend stuffing your still attached head into the barrel! Head cannons and co are not responsible for any missing limbs or subdued brain functions caused by misuse of our products!

[sharp spoke]

This sounds like something straight out of an Aperture Labs Enrichment test, I read that all in Cave Johnsons voice

[safe meadow]

Yepppp

[sharp spoke]

But if you do place your head in the cannon, please know that the data collected from your probable demise will be invaluable to our research!

[safe meadow]

all limbs must remain behind the firing barrel! Have a pleasant and virtuous day! Happy head cannon testing! Head cannons and Co thank you

[sharp spoke]

[pleasant bing bong noise]

[safe meadow]

All I picture is some random corpus jockey stuffing decapitated rag doll testing heads into this massive table mounted cannon with a sigh snd some grumbling and some small curses at the voice overhead

[sharp spoke]

Lmao, delightful

[safe meadow]

And afterwards Thunk thunk thunk as each ragdoll head hits the wall like a hundred feet away

[sharp spoke]

DE, take notes

[safe meadow]

Please

And the jockey just getting absolutely floored by the recoil and one of those robots veso had with the little blinking head pushing him back up

[robust summit]

This is amazing.

Human head rail gun, complete with a mini gun style ammo belt system.

[safe meadow]

I was thinking more like the kuva chakkhur blunder bluss style

One shot that's just ridiculously strong

[sharp spoke]

Same, but I like both. The auto-railgun is just REALLY big

[robust summit]

Rail guns shoot projectiles at over the speed of sound.

That head is going through at least three people and/or walls.

[autumn turret]

most guns do

[robust summit]

Like way over.

[autumn turret]

a handgun shoots bullets at the speed of sound

[robust summit]

Like 3 to 4 times over.

[autumn turret]

mach 1 isnt very fast

[safe meadow]

Like all I have in mind is this HUGE blunderbluss carried with two hands and some tiny mag jumping on a head trying to load it

[autumn turret]

well you didnt say mach 3

[robust summit]

I forget most people don’t know much about the fancy magnet guns.

[safe meadow]

Wait wait wait

What if it has a tiny little robot that loads the head

Like a tiny little clem that just stomps on the head

And you get it for helping clem X number of times

[robust summit]

That’s adorable.

Tiny murder friend.

[sharp spoke]

I thought the Corpus were building it in this ridiculous scenario?

[robust summit]

The only way you get more amp is via murder.

The Tenno will steal all weaponry.

Especially the fun ones.

[sharp spoke]

Most def

[robust summit]

I’m looking at the Lanka and all the kuva series.

[sharp spoke]

Ah, ye Olde snipetron

[robust summit]

Maybe the Xoris too, funny bomb disk go boom.

[sharp spoke]

The Jat Kittag is my favorite wacky weapon, I REALLY want it to get a kuva variant

[robust summit]

Yesssss

Rocket hammer!!!!!

[sharp spoke]

The Shildegg is all well and good, but it doesn't launch enemies into space

[robust summit]

Launching things into space is the best part of this game.

[sharp spoke]

It's definitely up there

[robust summit]

Gotta love kdrive ragdolls and squad mates using explosives.

[balmy storm]

Wolf sledge @sharp spoke

The funniest of weapons

[safe meadow]

Clem steals it and makes his own improvements

[sharp spoke]

It's pretty great, massive boomerang hammer is nonsensical and I love it, but I wanna send dudes flying across the map. If I could have both, I'd be happy

[balmy storm]

You know it’s explosion does that
At least, it does in the sim

[sharp spoke]

🤔 Guess I haven't tried that, but I will

[balmy storm]

Go throw it and splode it, have fun

[sharp spoke]

Will do, I've got mastery grinding to do after work, I'll make sure to play with the sledge

[pulsar token]

Or a nightwave reward in the future

Yall think Kahl 175 gon meet clem in veil breaker?

[magic dragon]

How sick would that be

DE really needs to start bringing old characters into the lime light more

[fleet veldt]

Like a Parvos broadcast being co-jacked by Perrin with Darvo intermediating and dishing out Tenno questions resulting in an ingame rewatchable cinematic sequence - like with the Ambulas Reborn trailer - but there's a new one once every now and then featuring other factions and Syndicates which answer some important questions and give some extra life to the world.

Imagine, for a moment, Vay Hek asking openly "Where is Kahl?", and Lotus popping up with "Breaking Veils.", and then Vay Hek asking her "Did you really turn off that giant ship-eater?", and she just answers "Yes.", which has him pause, dumbfounded.

"Thanks.", he quietly adds before cutting comms - only to open another channel to brag about how good Grineer were against Sentients and Narmer.

[uneven epoch]

i just found interview about duviri with rebb:
"In the chronology, technically The Duviri Paradox happened first. But it also didn't. Because then The New War couldn't have happened. So it's a very fun paradox."

[main surge]

Lore wise and game wise

Set before the new war released after the new war

[fleet veldt]

In layman's terms, "Yes."

[crimson river]

But also in layman's terms, "No."

[robust summit]

I love paradoxes!!!! So much fun!

[wicked iron]

I tend to dislike paradoxes, honestly. I'm really hopeful about this one, though.

[languid torrent]

TBH, this paradox seems to be, from what we have seen, nestled neatly into running semi-concurrent with Act 1's interval. We do get a minor glimpse of Act 2's climax in there as well, but Duviri seems to so far be set in the timeskip between Acts 1 and 2.

Which is good, mind. There's a lot of unanswered questions from that period; How long was Narmer in control, how did the Drifter escape Duviri, how did Ordis get a Sentinel body, how did Drifter find out about Lotus, etc.

[fleet veldt]

Wonder if Drifter figures out how to link the Lotus hand to a construct which led to Wall-Man going 'we can't have Sentients in here' and ejecting Drifter, but not before trading the hand for a pistol and Natah's body to care for alongside a first-seat on a private [your_playtime_length] livestream of your entire time playing Warframe (or something) to catch them up to speed (which is why they don't know everything, but know enough).

[flat shadow]

Maybe.

I don't think it was a construct so much as lotus hand landed there, eventually lotus did too

[fleet veldt]

Definitely a possibility; maybe she even honed in on her own hand, sacrificed her Natah battleframe in trying to protect/support him, maybe?

[flat shadow]

Sounds like something Lotus would do

[frail nymph]

Ordis always had a body and pulled it out in NW since he had nothing better to do. Same as the original story involving his body in the Ordis quest about his time before the player wakes up from the long dream

The body was called "host migrator."

He also had it in The Sacrifice even if he didn't actively use it

[wicked iron]

Was it confirmed anywhere that he did have that body before The New War? All we saw indicating it before then was a glimpse in his Vitruvian-altered self's messages.

[torpid lantern]

I'm not sure this is the case, actually. During Octavia's anthem, he clearly states how he's always wanted to fight alongside the operator when he was finally able to join them. If he had that body, he could have easily used it to do so like he is now. Not to mention the Host migrator story was never fully completed. We don't know what parts of that Steve decided to pull from or alter. That's the problem with rough drafts.
I'd wager that he always had the schematics for it but never actually built it till TNW.

But either way, Duviri will also answer these questions for us too so we just have to be patient

[wicked iron]

DUVIRRRIIIIII

[mystic ocean]

I'm not hiped by duviri actually hope it's for crossplay

[uneven epoch]

id like to wait more for duviri but without giant-gameplay-influencing bugs, then have duviri soon, but with little funny bugs

also my xaku last parts in forge now, and gauss is making his way thru

im in love with xaku

[flat shadow]

I'm excited for both. Crossplay is going to have some growing pains, but the next step is coming soon.

[uneven epoch]

i hope they will return for limited time exlusive skins
will be fair if not, but i want xbox paracesis skin

[balmy badger]

I just hope that merged accounts will have access to platform-exclusive cosmetics on all platforms. Got a bunch of Obsidian stuff on PS4 I'd like to use on PC.

[flat shadow]

We will have to see. They might allow cosmetics for any platform you have played on and claimed them on. But they haven't said anything about merging except that they do want to do that.

[obtuse walrus]

They could bring these with Baro too

[velvet wing]

Jade and Obsidian stuff are better than Opal imo so I sure hope so

[flat shadow]

I love Ivara's obsidian skin. I'd definitely get that if it was available to me.

Might have to try to make friends with someone with xbx or psn so I can get them if they don't become available to everyone somehow

[scarlet basalt]

Still thinking about bombastine confirming that Lodun isn't the only mysterious species in the void

Guys imagine if umbra's mechanic where you go inside his soul become a gameplay mechanic to fight infested bosses ? (Post the sacrifice yes)

[frail nymph]

I meant that it existed at least as a concept before he ended up using it. Whether he makes it or digs it out of storage doesn't matter, cause it's trivial

[frail nymph]

That would be a fair rebuttal if the Ordis quest was scrapped specifically just because him having a drone doesn't make sense.

[fleet veldt]

I mean, functionally, it would make sense for there to be a source of all the maintenance other than assuming a nonphysical entity did it.

[scarlet basalt]

It kinda does with loid & otak's Existence. But with how he hate the orokin, why did he choose this design ?
I think he got the full control of the orbiter so it would make sense that he also have the foundry

or maybe, cephalons could have physical bodies to aid orokins in whatever they needed (smilar to loid and otak maybe ? tho Loid idk if he is a cephalon) and they also got the idea for ordan karris ? But he seems to be too "broken" to be a servant so they let the drone schematic discontinued ?

Duviri doesn't have orokins citizen,but made up character. That contradict what i just say 😭. With the image of orokin in mind i would guess that dominus thrax would think about how orokins live ?

[cyan crest]

Both loid and otak are Cephs

[scarlet basalt]

Yooo that's so funny tbh.
Just imagine a body with 2 souls inside 😭

[cyan crest]

You don't have to imagine it

[scarlet basalt]

yeah they're literally here

Thank god we didn't made a literal robot for ordis.
I don't want to see him slaughtering thousands of people for the tenno's sake, let him be the funny robot

[cyan crest]

I mean if you have the sentinel skin he can be slaughtering people with you

[scarlet basalt]

With how weak most of the sentinels are... Not too much 🤔 (thank god they're not at the tenno's level)

[swift pond]

Put him on a Helios and he'll get some of the way there ig

[final pebble]

it would be really fun lore-wise if we could stick cephalons into warframes. i'm only ever using one of mine at a time, why shouldn't my cephalon be able to take one of my spares out for a stroll??

[scarlet basalt]

warframes are infested armor and the last case where an infested and a cephalon where together...One got the advantage and controlled him so easily

[cyan crest]

Just use specters and play pretend

[final pebble]

jordas was exposed to the mutalist strain though, not the helminth strain. 🤔 the helminth strain seems much more, for lack of a better phrase, "under control" than the mutalist strain

[frail nymph]

Ordis hating the Orokin is not exactly canon. Him remembering who he once was isn't tied to any point in the timeline

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh with how he tried to kill the orokin i would have thought of that

[frail nymph]

He doesn't remember any of that. That's what the cephalon fragments are. Literally pieces of him that hold the memories of his past. Memories that he does not have

[scarlet basalt]

He seems to be tame but could do something weird with cephalons so risking it wouldn't be the greatest idea 🤔

[scarlet basalt]

True, he doesn't remember, but his memories are kinda weird i think ?
Like he seems to be displeased with most of the orokin yet he doesn't know who he was ?
I wonder if his new sentinels design made him remember a little bit about the orokin.
Maybe in the future "while" the new war is happening we will get a quest for him 😮 ? i mean with kahl,veso and teshin gameplay they may have the tool with warframe's engine

[scarlet basalt]

with how infesteds are capable to go inside our transmission to praise their hivemind, i wonder why we didn't get the helminth to guide us onto obscure part of warframe ? 🤔

[frail nymph]

He doesn't look super Orokin to me anyway.

His body is old, but not exactly gilded

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh for me his new "sentinel" boy look very smilar on how orokin made their own design. (they love gold and around white lol)
This seems to be a left over blueprints 😮 maybe meant for him.

Wait, it could be that orokin wanted to use ordis as a moving trashcan ? I forgot but wasn't he able to open his head ?

no that theory can be true.

[rain otter]

It might be part of Like tbe Orokin IPad cuz in tbe cuz he looks like this when he is calling us Starchild and stuff.

[scarlet basalt]

It does 😮
Btw, we need more vitruvian lore.
Future update with future executor could do a well done job in re introducing the vitruvian tbh ? (if they're alive,maybe our next target will be tuvul, ? unless he ded)

[frail nymph]

The vitruvian is basically a USB drive

To use it more we need more passwords

[graceful zodiac]

He does have them. He's just actively suppressing them half the time. Hunhow specifically calls Ordis out on them

[scarlet basalt]

Hunhow call out ordis on twitter

[frail nymph]

You still need to recover his fragments for him to actually remember

He has some remnants, but those aren't enough for reconstruction. Kinda similar to Otak's failed defragmentation now that I think about it

[graceful zodiac]

They depends on the player, cause you can go into Octavia's Anthem without having any of the fragments

[rain otter]

What Is this?

[scarlet basalt]

The vitruvian in the sacrifice

[rain otter]

Oh I thought it looked different.

[frail nymph]

Octavia's anthem doesn't restore all of Ordis' memories

[graceful zodiac]

It didn't restore his memories at all

[frail nymph]

Exactly. Meanwhile, finding his memories on the ground all over the system and scanning them to give to him does exactly that.

[rain otter]

Don't you have to do at least 1? To get to the Relay withs Octs Anthem?

[autumn turret]

you dont have to complete a fragment

[rain otter]

I meant scan 1

[autumn turret]

thats not a full fragment

[graceful zodiac]

A cephalon fragment? No, you just need Second Dream

[autumn turret]

you technically do need to scan 1 fragment if you dont get taxied

[frail nymph]

That's a Mars-phobos junction prerequisite. One scan doesn't have enough for Ordis to remember anything

[rain otter]

Okay but that's not what was said

[frail nymph]

Sure but it is what was meant

[rain otter]

I was just stating a fact because someone said "you don't have to scan anything to do the Anthem" which is untrue.

[frail nymph]

That's one semantic interpretation if you read that as just one scan. But they meant "you don't have to restore any of Ordis's memory to do the anthem" which is true, since one fragment in the codex requires multiple scans.

[graceful zodiac]

Yes, which is how we the Operator learn the truth. Ordis himself can remember on his own since he says (at worst, implies) he does this over and over again

[frail nymph]

That only happens before the Awakening. At the awakening, Ordis destroys himself for the first time in a panic

And this was never about how the Operator learnt the truth anyway. It's about whether Ordis remembers his original hatred of the Orokin properly enough to refuse using a body made that has Orokin style design.

[graceful zodiac]

Yes, that was the first time most likely. He also talks about how many times he may have done it since he's got nothing but time and curiosity

[frail nymph]

That was the last time

But yeah nevermind, I remembered the ending part wrong

I thought he stopped his self destruct midway and that shattered his memories. But it was just done on purpose after first cancelling the sequence. The unique part about his last fragmentation is that he hid the memories of being Ordan inside other memories to hide them better.

Either way, he doesn't want to remember, so he won't remember the details on his own suddenly. Especially not enough to never end up in his sentinel body out of sheer hatred of Orokin.

[scarlet basalt]

Nevermind,that's literally angels's fight

[onyx vortex]

He just lost his marbles

[fleet veldt]

More or less, it would be better to express the Infested as Veiled Narmer Infested with a spectral representation kitbashing Ballas at his Prime with his Narmer counterpart as a boss in that arena, and you're swapping between Drifter with the swords and Nataruk and the Operator - but only in that space as it's more a mindscape than a fully fledged realm.

[autumn turret]

why cant we have more than 3 operator clothing options

[summer meteor]

Ik the duviri was going to be about the drifter and his background

This time our operator isnt involved in the quest but our drifter is. His learning different things while his on his path to killing who knows who.

Getting different powers. Correct me if im wrong

always was stupid to think everything happening in the warframe world is just a dream. I was confused by it. When lotus said that.

[obtuse gyro]

well she was referring to the Second Dream so

[summer meteor]

it might be true?

[graceful zodiac]

No, that's just another way to say Transference

The world of Warframe is all too real

[obtuse gyro]

The Second Dream is the method by which tenno control frames

[summer meteor]

ah.

Its like a soul entering a human body right?

[obtuse gyro]

uuuuuuh

[summer meteor]

yea...

[obtuse gyro]

yes and no

[summer meteor]

Mind?

[obtuse gyro]

kinda?

[graceful zodiac]

Just think of it as remote control

[wild wind]

The process that we use to control Warframes is called Transference, which shows up in a few other places but basically involves temporarily possessing the Warframe and using it as our own body.

[obtuse gyro]

Transference is the second dream

"The Orokin murdered Margulis - used her work to create 'Transference'. Your mind - projected into a surrogate, strong enough to withstand your power. It felt like waking up, but it was just a lucid - second dream

[wild wind]

Yeah. That's why "waking up" is contrasted with remembering that we're not the Warframes, but kids.

[fossil fractal]

to be fair after the war within the operators pretty cool too

[wild wind]

Oh for sure, but before we learned to control the powers/handle the trauma we were not in a good place

[summer meteor]

oh its like our own puppet?

[wild wind]

Calling it "human" is being generous, but accurate.

A flesh puppet wrapped in starship armor, powered by the void.

[summer meteor]

Thats better

Hey uh thanks for helping me guys. It means alot💕

[wild wind]

[swift pond]

Definitely. I remember hating the wee gremlin before then, only really warmed to them in New War.

[supple dagger]

I just finished New War and wow. That was really good.

Lol yea. TNW was really something

[obtuse gyro]

funny enough the "starship armour" is also flesh

the wonders of the helminth strain huh

[fleet veldt]

Only Umbra gets to be called that.

[wicked iron]

That's how it functioned in the past, but now we are very awake while using Transference.

[obtuse gyro]

Yes, but the very use of transference is still the second dream because no matter how "awake" we are, we're essentially lucid dream-controlling the frames. Except maybe its more of a tabbed out day-dream sometimes

[frail nymph]

No that only happened after they went to sleep after the Old War was over.

It's a consequence of the long dream, and is unrelated to the Second Dream.
You use the normal "Second Dream" tech between the TSD quest and the TWW quest.

[wicked iron]

In the past it was more of a second dream in that sense. It isn't anymore. They had to lock away our full powers and such, and put us in chairs for transference. We don't have either of those limitations any more.

Hard to say for certain, though. Could be it still functions the same way, in that regard.

[frail nymph]

Yeah after TWW we don't use the second dream tech

Or at least in its intended way

[wicked iron]

That chair got FRIED lol

[obtuse gyro]

Eh, I say any use of Transference is still a second dream thing because its how you pilot a frame

[cyan crest]

I mean, operator mentions it happening during the old times too iirc

[frail nymph]

They don't mention memory loss of their existence as humans during the old times

They might have mentioned not knowing what it was like on the Zariman, (for example they mentioned feeling a vague sense of fear etc) which is different, since that's Margulis's manipulation that came before the second dream

[cyan crest]

I'd say no
The dream, the first dream, was in the pods, and it was a cold place were Margulis sang to them and they could focus
The second dream is still using the pods, cause they didn't wake up, it was just a lucid second dream

[frail nymph]

Exactly. Your body first has to be in The Dream and then wake up in the Second Dream for it to be exactly the SD tech

[cyan crest]

Hence why Lotus says in the Natah quest that she "hid us away in the second dream"

[obtuse gyro]

Eh fair enough

[frail nymph]

Varzia mentioned Tenno using amps on Dax during the collapse, so it's extremely unlikely that second dream by itself makes you completely forget you're human

Also this line
"We must have known. I remembered what it was like to be afraid, to be weak. I vowed never to forget that, never to abuse what I had been given. I had a code."

The Tenno is inferring that they must have known they were human, given the fact that they remembered what it was like to be weak and afraid

[fast fractal]

kahl with clem clothes

[pearl mountain]

Best pick, margulis, natah or lotus?

[cyan crest]

I'd say Natah

Tho I chose Lotus

I like Lotus but I've seen Natah's dialogue and attitude in angels of the zariman and I like her more

[chrome slate]

Their dialogues are actually different ?

[cyan crest]

They are in the opening cinematic to angels of the zariman

It's very cool imo

[chrome slate]

Interesting

I wonder what margulis says

I chose lotus, felt necessary

[cyan crest]

She says she saw the chaos of the zariman with her own eyes and pulled many tenno herself

[chrome slate]

Poor margulis

[cyan crest]

Which basically says that Lotus does have Margulis' memories

[wild wind]

I remember people telling me last year that they were completely separate. Vindication lmao.

[graceful zodiac]

She doesn't have all of Marg's memories, likely just a curated selection from Ballas

[cyan crest]

Yeah cause she didn't know rell

[lost tapir]

I mildly think that Crossplay/save will probably come with veilbreaker

Mostly due to both having the word soon and not winter 2022 like duviri

Not sure at all if that's the case

[autumn turret]

save no

[chrome slate]

That soon? I wasnt expecting it till after duviri lol

[autumn turret]

crossplay definately seems to be before duviri

[cyan crest]

Veil breaker at least is definitely coming b4 duviri

[chrome slate]

I know this much haha

Ah okay

[lost tapir]

Yeah, at least maybe crossplay

And if crossplay was with duviri, wouldn't it say Winter 2022 like duviri?

Instead of soon

[cyan crest]

Should've used muck, in universe word and not censored ;)

[chrome slate]

Ahahahaha smart

[flat shadow]

I think they want to have crossplay with an update, but I think there's enough flex in trying to get things to line up that it might not work out.

[lost tapir]

Only Ballas gets to swear

[flat shadow]

They also said they hope to have veilbreaker out before Duviri, but they don't say it will definitely happen in that order.

[flat shadow]

Not even him.

[wild wind]

I'd be shocked if Veilbreaker was later

Given the relative scope of each project, I mean.

[autumn turret]

he said the b word

[flat shadow]

I think there is more to Veilbreaker than we've been told.

[flat shadow]

Not here he hasn't.

[wild wind]

The hard part for Veilbreaker will be rebalancing the Archons for four person squads

[autumn turret]

yep

[autumn turret]

we know 2 main things, weekly archon fights and kahl missions (where you get styanax)

[wild wind]

And maybe making Thumpers not the worst thing ever to fight

(Tbh I'm not hopeful on that one)

[lost tapir]

Yeah, but seems overall like veilbreaker will be overall smaller than duviri as that's.. probably one of the largest updates potential with an entirely new rougelite mode

[flat shadow]

Thumpers are super easy with Mechs

[wild wind]

Unless you prefer Bonewidow

orz

[cyan crest]

I'd be genuinely irritated if he came to this server
Like dude you died please

[autumn turret]

it doesnt matter, just bring maus

[flat shadow]

I like widow, personally. Something about juicing my enemies for health makes me laugh.

[autumn turret]

ive killed tonnes of thumpers with bonewidow

[wild wind]

I have a fully built Kuva Grattler that's the only thing that ever gets me close to succeeding at the "kill X enemies to lure out the assassination target" mission

[still swan]

is veilbraker during New war or afther becose if it is during how did erra help us when he is Goat in that quest?

[wild wind]

(Which by the way is one of threee missions that makes the Plains the worst open world to fo bounties on)

After

[lost tapir]

After, the name kinda gives it away

[autumn turret]

...its very clearly after...

[wild wind]

You know how Deimos doesn't seem to have a Murex puppydog guarding it?

[still swan]

okay thank you

[flat shadow]

Veilbreaker is after TNW. Duviri is in a questionable timeline

[wild wind]

It's probably because that's where New Narmer is

[cyan crest]

Duviri is during the new war, partially (cause of the stab happening during both) but it's also said to be after it
It's fun

[wild wind]

And before!

[flat shadow]

Yeah. I expect thats the 'paradox' part

[wild wind]

Paradoxes amirite

[lost tapir]

It's after new war

It's not after new war

[wild wind]

Get out

[lost tapir]

no

[wild wind]

[cyan crest]

And also yes

[scarlet basalt]

"Rebecca Ford: Yeah - but what was on his head? Erra invented the Archons, which are sentient animals that are fused and grafted on Warframes. And for Erra, the creator of the Archons, for his resurgence to be in an Archon form is the only way that any part of him made it through The New War, because he did effectively die. Yeah, but Pragasa (one of the major settings on The New War) was basically sentient HQ. Picture Frankenstein's monster latching onto his body."
I don't understand anything but i guess that Erra made archon inside perghasa ? And he somehow made himself an archon ? Or someone else that is the leader of the naarmer made Erra an archon 🤔 ?

[flat shadow]

Maybe Pragasa did it?

[robust summit]

Someone took angry sentient? And grafted it into the body of space uncle.

[scarlet basalt]

She is said to be dead in Erra prologue
"Mother... She is dead" or whatever that line is

[autumn turret]

and that was also probably a lie

[robust summit]

They say in new war that she’s dead.

[cyan crest]

She was alive enough to eat the sun

[scarlet basalt]

It could be, since erra somehow survived 6 void beam at the same time

[robust summit]

As long as a part of a sentient is intact it can pull itself back together.

Look at the eidolons.

[scarlet basalt]

But perghasa is for the moment known as a giant ship.
Not a smoll sentient like erra 🤔 She could transfer herself into a new body but i wonder what happene

[cyan crest]

Ordis also said that Praghasa ate ships to repair herself

[robust summit]

True.

[graceful zodiac]

It's what she had been doing since the Old War really

[robust summit]

It’s a lights are on but no one is home scenario.

[graceful zodiac]

essentially

[robust summit]

Alive but not quite thinking.

[scarlet basalt]

That's so strange also.
Erra say that the only one that has the driving license for perghasa is Natah...
But yeah she was eating ships ? Who was in commands 😮 ?

[cyan crest]

Natah was commanding the fleet, that was her fire
It's also what Ballas steals with the kiss at the start of new war

I'm guessing Praghasa was alive enough for a period, and died when Natah came back
She was conscious enough to talk to Natah in one trailer

[graceful zodiac]

I'm fairly certain that trailer can be dismissed

[cyan crest]

Could be

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe,she hasn't died but in a "sleeping" state ?
I wouldn't think that destroying a sentient is pretty much impossible. Cephalon Cy is being touched by the void but isn't attacked by the void ?

[cyan crest]

What has Cy to do with sentients

[graceful zodiac]

Cy doesn't do anything with the void either

[scarlet basalt]

Well, most of the cephalon can be hacked by sentients with octavia's anthem quest.
It could lead us pretty much on how to "destroy" a sentient. But it's rather complicated 😮
They are larger and way more stronger than any cephalons seen with how hunhow easily got suda

[cyan crest]

Only his vague quotes with the reliquary and that's a stretch

[cyan crest]

To kill a sentient seems rather easy, just destroy its center of intelligence like Gara did
That guy only seemed to have "survived" because of the kuva, if anything

[graceful zodiac]

Yeah, we know you can destroy a sentient to a degree of not coming back

[scarlet basalt]

that could be a guess that he got the kuva from the big kuva thingies that roam around the ship ? and survived thanks to that ?
But kuva does really work with them like that ?

whatever that red mirror was lol

[scarlet basalt]

Well, he still do void travel with the ship. idk if the railjack design was enough to contend against the void but it seems so

[graceful zodiac]

Not to any degree more than Ordis

And he takes us through the void all the time

[autumn turret]

just ordis doesnt have his own void drive

[scarlet basalt]

"Using a small ship to go inside the void"
or
"Finger"

[chrome slate]

Finger

[graceful zodiac]

Sure, different methods, but the effects would be different in terms of Void Exposure. Ordis would even be getting it worse technically

And as a matter of fact, the same goes for every ship in the system given the constant use of Solar Rails

[wild wind]

Late but Praghasa's pretty dead, they used Natah to jump-start her, but the person she was is gone.

[cyan crest]

Oh yeah like the body is alive but the mind is bye bye

[scarlet basalt]

True, that may be a reason why we can play with NPC that are non-tenno inside the railjack.
They have shown with the railjack that orokin could do things that are void resistant but they made a "flaw" for the sentients.
It's,really interesting, it's like they knew they were going to be betrayed 😮 ? So they limited their reproduction

[cyan crest]

It was just in case
Also no, it wasn't their reproduction, the flaw was intended to kill them, we have specified this like 5 times

[scarlet basalt]

And somehow they resisted 😭 THey're canon annoying enemies

[wild wind]

Basically. I suspect that even the body has permanently lost certain functions as well (like Sentient adaptation) thanks to the void bath, so Praghasa's now a "super capital ship" rather than a true Sentient

[cyan crest]

Perintol had to to add the flaw so the orokin would approve the sentients

[cyan crest]

Making the trip inside Praghasa

She took the bad part, and they only had damage to their reproduction

[wild wind]

Yeah, they used Praghasa as a radiation shield.

[graceful zodiac]

The trip is why she's pretty much dead

[cyan crest]

And why she's been monching on ships since time inmemorial

[wild wind]

Which super killed her, leaving her an empty husk until Natah was used to forcibly awaken her.

[scarlet basalt]

Awaken cannot really be the word, more like drive her tbh

[wild wind]

Well, "awaken" is a strong word

I said jump-start earlier, that's the best comparison

[graceful zodiac]

It's not that they're void resistant, it's that the methods of Void Travel isn't enough exposure to cause any effects, unless your specifically weak to it

[cyan crest]

The towers seem to have been.... Shielded enough

But that's cause they're supposed to stay there for a long time I guess

[scarlet basalt]

that sound strange but i guess that's the way it go

[scarlet basalt]

Those cozy salons inside the void...
BUt who is supposed to relax here 😭 ?

[cyan crest]

Orokin

[wild wind]

Rich people.

[cyan crest]

same thing

[scarlet basalt]

With how albretch felt the void, maybe they reconsidered the idea 🤔 ?

[wild wind]

Fetch ze guillotines.

Oh nah the Orokin as a group loved the void.

[cyan crest]

I don't think they gave any muck about how Albrecht felt ngl

[wild wind]

Except to mock him and his family when he chose not to take further bodies.

[scarlet basalt]

Mock him
get betrayed by their "loyal" ninja

that is one hell of a trip

[cyan crest]

Not really very related events
Only like
Tangentially

[scarlet basalt]

I mean,with how they didn't seems to be really caring about albretch's void trip, and the zariman incident...
Maybe they should have reconsidered the zariman if they listened to what is happening inside the void 🤔

[wild wind]

Albrecht was crazy though

[obtuse gyro]

alot of the Orokin's problems could have been solved with "Listen" and "Think"

[scarlet basalt]

Society made him crazy 🤔

[scarlet basalt]

True but their ego thought that nothing will happends...
Now it's war everyday and everytime

[frail nymph]

Do people genuinely think Duviri Teshin is from Drifter's universe?
That goes against basically everything we know about Drifter's universe.

Warframes kneeling waiting for transference shouldn't exist in Drifter's universe. Neither should Teshin be alive, since they would've lost the Old War.

[scarlet basalt]

only our teshin could go to duviri tbh.
How did he survive,i guess it's the same thing as varzia

[frail nymph]

Either that or he's a void manifestation

[wild wind]

"We have listened to the demands for equality, an end to autocratic rule and for us to stop killing people for our own amusement. We think that everyone who said these things should die for our amusement."

[frail nymph]

Or maybe this is Teshin pre-awakening... And the one we know ingame just got a glow up lol. Probably not but would be funny

[obtuse gyro]

neither should there be frames kneeling in a cave instead of a tower, many things look hecka weird

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe : they still tried to fight the infestation via warframe but without tenno ? No nevermind it would be strange bcz they wouln't be kneeling then

[frail nymph]

Exactly

[cyan crest]

I don't think so
I do not believe duviri has to only be conected to 2 universes, there could potentially be another one where this twhsin comes from
I'd say that he cannot be this old and beat up right after the stab but... Wonky time

[scarlet basalt]

so it is our warframe ?
But,that's so paradoxal... Wait this is duviri paradox

[frail nymph]

Yes but that would still not be Drifter universe Teshin

[cyan crest]

Indeed

[wild wind]

It's most likely that the scene is entirely symbolic

[frail nymph]

Nope you get to control those frames eventually

[cyan crest]

I also like the void manifestation approach

[scarlet basalt]

It must be symbolic purpose, to see how strong the will of the tenno is against dominus thrax maybe ?
And tenno's somehow made this place to "help" the drifter ?

[wild wind]

I'd guess that it represents the Drifter joining our Operator's awakening.

"Reaching the same starting point"

[scarlet basalt]

"going back in time maybe ? so they connect themselves from the "start"

[wild wind]

Time doesn't exist in the void.

You don't need to go back when all things are one.

[scarlet basalt]

that's why i say that. Since it doesn't exist 🤔 and there is no start or end ?

[cyan crest]

Not exactly a correct statement
It exists, it goes in a linear way most of the time, but it's also very wonky

[frail nymph]

You mean like the opening cinematic? wink wink nudge nudge

Given that Tennocon Drifter had somatics, I'm very open to the idea that the person who puts lotus flowers in front of the frame statues is Drifter

[cyan crest]

I wouldn't say the void is a recollection of all time, I'd compare more to a nexus if anything

[cyan crest]

Funnily enough, we slaughter like 50 Dax there :D

[wild wind]

Other way around, standard space time doesn't apply in the void. While events inside the void happen in linear fashion within the void, linear events outside the void happen without regard to causality

Exhibit A, B and C being everything to do with Lotus hand

[cyan crest]

Which is why I say it's a nexus
It lets you, theoretically, to do wonky stuff with the time outside of it, but it itself isn't all of time at once, it's a separate thing that would have access to all of time

[graceful zodiac]

The Void doesn't do wonky time stuff be default mainly, given we can enter and exit it is regular chronological fashion

[cyan crest]

I'd say that's because entering and exiting through the same ways, to and from the same place

The void allowed the orokin to prove eternalism as a reality, so it must have some sort of temporal property

[scarlet basalt]

Weirdly... We haven't meet other aliens creature aside from Wally and maybe Lodun ?

[cyan crest]

Not yet

[rigid yoke]

Lodun is most probably not alien but i could see it being

But yeah, for all the space stuff, we only met one alien

(And maybe even that gets disproven at some point. I dont know)

[graceful zodiac]

Wally can't really be called an alien either

[scarlet basalt]

That's strange, like there is no reason that the void isn't used by other aliens ? 🤔

[rigid yoke]

Well, wally might be, just that, the void

and not someone using it

[cyan crest]

Why can't he? He's not from this world, he's an extraterrestrial
From what we know

[rigid yoke]

Any living creature native to not-my-planet is an alien

[scarlet basalt]

Unless once natah really Saw the void she send units to tell other planets the danger of the void ?

[obtuse gyro]

what other planets tho

because there really arent any aliens aside from the supernatural kind like Wally

[scarlet basalt]

Well,i doubt we can prove that aliens doesn't exist so i meant in other Solar system

[cyan crest]

Any known aliens yet
DE might as well introduce them some day
Some day

[graceful zodiac]

Is he living? We don't know anything about his existence

[obtuse gyro]

I doubt we can prove they exist currently either so status quo, there are no aliens

[rigid yoke]

I mean. He moves and talks and can be hurt. Until proven otherwise, hes alive

[scarlet basalt]

That's why sending units to roam mindlessly in space could may do somethings

You dont need to prove aliens but to search them tbh

[obtuse gyro]

ah but can he reproduce tho, thats a good sign of life

[cyan crest]

Viruses reproduce and aren't alive

[rigid yoke]

Meh. Thats not quite accurate but i get you

[obtuse gyro]

Viruses are teetering on the Alive definition everyday

[rigid yoke]

The statements of life should be used to define what is living. Not to constrict the definition

[obtuse gyro]

Main point is, is wally dtf

[scarlet basalt]

What is the meaning of life when one is breaking all the natural Law just to mess with some kids ?
Can you even use this definition on whatever this is?

[graceful zodiac]

See, now that's just a robot. Plus the hurt part is questionable

[torpid lantern]

Did you guys see the interview with Reb? I knew Veso probably died but it hurt so much to see it in writing

[rigid yoke]

Finger

[scarlet basalt]

[graceful zodiac]

Oh, confirmation. Joy

[obtuse gyro]

kek "veso aint survive" -space mom 2022

[rigid yoke]

So we got confirmation huh. Well, i kinda accepted it

[torpid lantern]

[rigid yoke]

You need some big plot armor to survive that

[cyan crest]

It was hard to translate his gameplay into non scripted sections anyway

[rigid yoke]

Veko died doing what corpus loved to do.

Realizing their mistakes in the last moments of their life

[torpid lantern]

But it was so fun

[obtuse gyro]

if erra dies from a single rock tomb, no way veso the underpaid, overworked crew man is surviving his ship going nuclear

[cyan crest]

Yeah :(

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah,it can work but the hacking part is impossible on non scripted

[rigid yoke]

Id love spy-ish missions in his style tho

Felt like playing a mini-rts

[scarlet basalt]

I mean,we already have moa's mod ? That literally complete the entire Spy mission

[rigid yoke]

And drone specters

someone pull some Veso fashion

[obtuse gyro]

Veso fasion for drifter?

[rigid yoke]

would be great. We have a grineer set but not a corpus one

let me live my crewwoman adventures

[cyan crest]

So like just a Crewman suit

[scarlet basalt]

This is literally hitman style of gameplay in idea

[cyan crest]

No, I think it's a cosmetic

:p

[scarlet basalt]

But you can make hitman style of gameplay out of it, that would be very interesting tbh

[frail nymph]

I don't get why people still say WF updates are "short and disappointing." If you're expecting the deLorean, any car in real life, even a Lambo, is gonna feel terrible.

I can already tell so many people are gonna complain that Veilbreaker quest will be closer to AoZ quest duration rather than the New War; while acting like they were caught off guard by the fact that bugs exist, as if it's the the first buggy release in existence.

If you set your expectations based on your speed of completing 6 years of pure content when waiting for an update that was made in mere months, at some point it's entirely on you.

[obtuse gyro]

Bingpot

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh the buggiest one was railjack and wow now bugs are really tame

[frail nymph]

Kahl apparently had sister of parvos fashion so why not at this point

[obtuse gyro]

People exist to complain, nothing will ever satisfy

[uneven epoch]

i need squad link for defeating profit taker in seconds

[rigid yoke]

a lot of people just dont have critical thinking skills and judge stuff based on how they felt to them.

Lots of them play endgame and have all of their days free so when they play a quest and finish it in 4 hours they complain it was too short not realizing thats the length of a small game in a single update + the after-content

And the bit i hate the most is that those same people that complain, complain more when the stuff they use to destroy the content in minutes gets nerfed

[cyan crest]

They also don't realize short doesn't have to mean bad
The second dream is 30 minutes long

[scarlet basalt]

Me when bramma

[wild wind]

I enjoy the frustration, tbh. I recognize that I'm a terrible person though.

[obtuse gyro]

Look at how much people complained about the Wolf frame when it was revealed to be a female frame.

By people I mean really really weird people who decided that the gender of a weapon of mass destruction was more important than finally getting said weapon

[rigid yoke]

The worst part, is that, while it probably is, is not even confirmed to be female

[frail nymph]

Just buff the enemies and the weaker weapons

Surprised Pikachu face when even more new players never try it from the intimidating grind. (Like 5% of people playing raids lol, though that's not the best example)

[rigid yoke]

But since its not a gigachad and most probably not a male, the werewolf concept gets "wasted"

[graceful zodiac]

No, Wolf frame is confirmed female, they just didn't want to make a Valk copy

[rigid yoke]

Did they gender it?

I cant remember tbh. Only remember the art

[uneven epoch]

lost warframes when

[obtuse gyro]

"b-but werewolfs have always been male" oh Im sorry I didnt know this was Twilight

[graceful zodiac]

It's partially why it's not coming next

[rigid yoke]

lmao

[uneven epoch]

i need rampart one

[frail nymph]

And like... Did they expect the historically Inspired Spartan frame to be female just for the wolf to be male...?

[scarlet basalt]

I kinda wanted a Guy but wow she look really beautiful.

[obtuse gyro]

I even saw some deplorable comments saying reb was somehow not up to the job of Creative Director because of her gender pop up here and there

[cyan crest]

Gamers try not to be sexist challenge (impossible)

[rigid yoke]

say sike right now

[obtuse gyro]

0 clue on their thought process, but they didnt even add the statement that its not coming out next, or never as the next next frame into the mix

[obtuse gyro]

Twas there on twitch, some of them tried to be funny and appeared here as well

[rigid yoke]

They did say in just a fraction of a second that is not the next, + styanax confirmed 50th before that, but yeah

[rigid yoke]

[scarlet basalt]

There's also astyanax and no one seems to talk about him lol

[cyan crest]

My dude styanax got so ignored

[rigid yoke]

To be fair. they showed him at the same time as a warframe asked for years

and while the animation is fantastic, is also super short

Not even the 50th title will get him to not be eclipsed

[obtuse gyro]

Ngl Im more hyped for Styanax than the Wolfie because I like the spartan vibes more than slober supreme over there

[frail nymph]

Even more so, his easter egg in the Deathbattle vid

[scarlet basalt]

He came out from nowhere astyanax also.
But a spear and shield frame is so cool

[rigid yoke]

Thats fine. More of her for me

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe blocking mechanic will do a Big part in astyanax design ?

[rigid yoke]

Sure hope so

Blocking is as forgettable of a mechanic now as ludoplex games

[obtuse gyro]

Oh dont get me wrong Im still nabbing her, so youre not getting my share of the wolf

[scarlet basalt]

I mean he has a shield , i'm sure they have very strong idea

[rigid yoke]

God damn it

[scarlet basalt]

Not in duviri tho,blocking mechanic is nicely used

[rigid yoke]

Fair

[scarlet basalt]

Also i forgot but de also made a spam tapping mechanic. (The New War)
They should re use that in future...bosses ?

[cyan crest]

I still want a ludoplex tho :( but simaris standing is so boring to farm

[rigid yoke]

it do be like that

[graceful zodiac]

I'm pretty sure that was just Atlas

[frail nymph]

I'd rather have QTEs but yeah sure why not

[scarlet basalt]

Honestly they seems to really make good progress on their game engine,finding New way to play the game...
This is really insane :o

[uneven epoch]

our clan have ludoplex in dojo

[frail nymph]

Looks more like Styanax with the waist size

Well more the sudden change from chest to waist size.

[scarlet basalt]

Ohh have they tried qte in their game ? I doubt they did

[cyan crest]

Nice

[wild wind]

Oh dear that's a shame wrt people's reactions to the werewolf frame

[frail nymph]

They haven't, but I want them

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe they didn't get the way to do it and in the future they will prove that their engine literally can do everything lol ?

[graceful zodiac]

More Atlas Prime than Atlas, though neither has a particularly big waist

[frail nymph]

Too buggy to play rn sadly. It just randomly turns off your controls.

[cyan crest]

Shoot

[frail nymph]

I was talking about Atlas Prime not looking as much like the DB video as Styanax

[scarlet basalt]

Tbh : there's also a reason that they could have used atlas model,since he is the closest to astyanax concept art.
Acting like he is the New one. This is why in the video there is metal clunking sound instead of atlas normal step sound

[dry magnet]

Is 50th wardrame going to be wolf frame or Knight looking warframe with a spear and a shield?

[flat shadow]

Styanax, the spartany one

[cyan crest]

Styanax, the spartan, the one with the shield

OK that sounded like a Lotus trailer lol

[dry magnet]

Ok cool

[uneven epoch]

haha

[scarlet basalt]

I think atlas has a shoes sound whereas astyanax and gauss have metal sound ? When walking

[uneven epoch]

imagine that would be in his trailer lol

[dry magnet]

I think every upcoming warframe needs to come out with his deluxe skin and some armor cosmetics so that we don’t have to wait for like 2 more years in hope that he will get some fashion love

[uneven epoch]

nah, pure dreams

[frail nymph]

Styanax, the knight one

[uneven epoch]

de wont do that

[frail nymph]

He looks good enough to me anyway

Besides, the more unique stuff is usually Tennogen, which takes a while after release to make

[scarlet basalt]

Look like they will try to make styanax gameplay like a Spartans ? This would be very interesting :o

[uneven epoch]

conclave rework?

[real niche]

Keep dreaming

[scarlet basalt]

Sleep well

[real niche]

Conclave rework is The Third Dream lmao

[dry magnet]

Im hoping that he would be actually fun to play in long run and finally replace Excal poster boy

[scarlet basalt]

Excal is great most of the Time but i Hope that in terms of gameplay astyanax would need to use more abilities, for exemple has a gap Closer smilar to garuda but in a way that it doesn't disrupt the gameplay.
Blocking mechanics that allow him to survive and else.

[uneven epoch]

again, lost warframes when

[robust summit]

This could be one of them.

Cause I think Lavos was a Xatu component.

[uneven epoch]

nope

[frail nymph]

Lavos was not lost to the void

[scarlet basalt]

I love their design

[uneven epoch]

i need rampart

[robust summit]

Oh, I just saw that one shoulder plate and thought lavos.

[frail nymph]

So Bansheen't, Atlasn't, and Saryn't

[uneven epoch]

Rhinon't

[scarlet basalt]

Rampart look great tbh, hoping that he is a "tank" if they ever think to do him

[real niche]

If he was then we wouldn't have his whole frame available to use

[cyan crest]

Xatu is a Pokémon

[uneven epoch]

more like
banshee + zephyr
rhino + lavos(?)
garuda + saryna

im not sure avout lavos

[scarlet basalt]

Guys stretch theory : drifter will allow us to open our second eyes that mother entrati Say that it ain't open

[uneven epoch]

second eyes?

[scarlet basalt]

Do a deimos's vault mission with the real vault opened

[frail nymph]

I want the blue stuff to be magnetic attachment points for turrets or something kinda like Nidus' mutation evolution

[uneven epoch]

i dont remember that line

[scarlet basalt]

The real turret frame :o no more joke with prrotea

[graceful zodiac]

That's mainly just a reference to our void stuff

[cyan crest]

I mean, ramparts are grineer turrets

[frail nymph]

The turrets could be stolen weapons but like... Whatever % damage an enemy does to you, you do the same % damage to them.

[uneven epoch]

i heard theory that xaku's gaze accuse deny is from those warframes
i mean those warframes have gaze or accuse or deny

[uneven epoch]

or how to say that

[graceful zodiac]

They would. Those are called out as being from the component frames

[uneven epoch]

she referencing to focus maybe? sounds like teshin after conave mission

[scarlet basalt]

Nah dont tell me that this mean : one dude in DE headquarter may have thought of him transforming into a grineer rampart lol

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe but i think she may have deeper meaning to the void.
I mean, the entrati has the biggest knowoledge to the void

[uneven epoch]

yep, true about that
as i remember, albrecht is mother's father?

[flat shadow]

yes

[uneven epoch]

and all she has from her father is seriglass shard

[cyan crest]

They have a book together

[cyan crest]

Indeed

[flat shadow]

That seriglass shard is not from Papaw

[uneven epoch]

i guess seriglass that was used in his experiment

[frail nymph]

Well a bunch of shards now but yeah

[cyan crest]

It's from Albrecht's, her father, seriglass bell

[frail nymph]

It is, it's just not unique... There are a lot of them

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe now we will Learn the implication of the void ?

[uneven epoch]

and maybe mother learned about void a bit?

[flat shadow]

no, it's just a shard of glass.

[frail nymph]

All this dialogue was originally intended to be post Duviri sooo yeah good chances

[wild wind]

I always figured that line was supposed to only play if you finish the vault without opening it

And they just never set the flag

[cyan crest]

It's all she has from him, so it's implied it's from his bell
Cause why wouldn't it be

[flat shadow]

They discuss that in a later cutscene. No more spoilers from me. Sorry.

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe post duviri DE will make further things involving the infested.
Maybe they're really a hivemind and they studied the void as much as the entrati somehow?

[cyan crest]

I remember father sayin that it's just a shard of glass, but that doesn't mean it's not from his bell, only that father is inferring on how meaningless it is to Albrecht's legacy