tennogen-creation-discussion

[hollow jackal]

is it a good idea to use mirror effect in blender to adjust the model to fit the sketch evenly? or is there some other method? cause I'm struggling to make it even without messing up on one of the sides for the model

[celest nest]

If your model is symmetrical, you should be using mirror modifier

[hollow jackal]

but wouldnt that overlap mesh? I'm using nokko's helm

[celest nest]

Overlap mesh?

Are you just modifying base helmet or?

[hollow jackal]

yeah I'm toying with the base helm cause it has the shape i need

[celest nest]

You should use symmetry mode instead of mirror modifier then. Mirror modifier generates half a mesh that you don't need

[hollow jackal]

ahh

[hollow jackal]

finally got it going but trying to figure out how to add proper crevices to make it look like it has cracks

thus stuck with a cheeto puff mushroom lol

[valid pine]

are you sculpting in blender?

[hollow jackal]

Yea, I don’t have anything like zbrush of sort 😅 blender is pretty much all I got to use

[celest nest]

Blender is very acceptable for sculpting with a few addons, but I'm entirely uneducated on it

(on sculpting side, I only know technical and hard surface parts of it)

[valid pine]

Haha blender is what I use as well, just asking in case you're using software I don't know anything about

I would probably approach cracks with the sharp crease tool, set the stroke to line, and play with the falloff shape until it looks good

[celest nest]

Don't forget that you have both subd and remesh modifiers that allow you to dynamically increase resolution on the go

Or lower. Up to you really.

Honestly Blender has so many modifiers that I don't even know like 40% of them

(And we're not even talking about official and unofficial but popular addons yet!)

[valid pine]

You can't sculpt on a subd modifier, it has to be applied first or it'll just sculpt the low res base mesh.

I recently discovered the multires modifier though that DOES let you sculpt before applying. It does the subdivision the exact same way but you can change the level of division for the viewport/sculpting scene/render. And it's non-destructive so if you delete or hide the modifier, the base mesh is unchanged from before you sculpted on it. Been using it for all my models now instead of the subd.

[hollow jackal]

ahh now im starting to wonder if im making a low res 🤣

[valid pine]

well your low res would be the model within the triangle limit DE gave you

hires would be subdivided and sculpted on for baking down onto the low res

[hollow jackal]

ohh

hmm so should i leave the subdivision alone then ? 🤔

[valid pine]

finish your sculpt then worry about it at this point

you'll want to duplicate then remesh it to fit in the poly count

[hollow jackal]

ah gotcha

[valid pine]

then you bake the sculpted details onto the low poly

[hollow jackal]

if i wanna add new stuff to it do i need to make a new material to attach to it ?

[valid pine]

might need to elaborate, I have no idea what you're asking lol

[hollow jackal]

sorry lol okay so for instance I want to add a new mushroom onto it but the model won't let me stretch it out to make it so I was wondering do i need to make a new mesh model of a mushroom to connect to the current model i am working on ?

you can see the little ventilator right there on the side of the face which is the mushroom I want to be placing but the face is giving me a hard time to make it

my brain gets cooked sometimes when I try to translate what i'm trying to say 🤣 so im sorry in advanced

[valid pine]

It doesn't all need to be one mesh, especially not for the high res sculpt

[hollow jackal]

oh ?

[valid pine]

just model the new part separately and clip it into the main mesh

then when you remesh you can either remesh it all as one including the clipped parts, or have a separate piece still clipped in remeshed seperately- although one mesh is probably better in this case

[hollow jackal]

I need to remember how to do that 😅

but thank you! I'll do that then, I'll have to look up on how to make it as one later

[celest nest]

No, you can add mushrooms to same material

Unless I',m misunderstanding what you're saying

[valid pine]

I think his mesh just isn't subdivided enough to sculpt more stuff onto it, to which I said just sculpt it seperately and clip it in then remesh around it

I might be wrong though

[hollow jackal]

No you’re right it’s not sub divided enough haha

[celest nest]

Sculpt separately and just stick separate parts in then. It's just material specifically refers to textures.

[white reef]

I have some university experience with Blender, moreso on the technical than artistic side.

I had a fun idea for different mushroom themed skins for Nokko. I think Morels, Trumpets, Oyster, and Puffballs could all have really fun and interesting looks.

I also think a bridal veil stinkhorn kilt/battleskirt would be fun :)

I'll have to start researching how to use TennoGen, and dust off the blender and z brush skills

[celest nest]

(However if you're just starting I'd recommend starting with a more simple frame to get your bearings on)

(there's a reason there's like seventy five excalibur skins on the workshop)

[white reef]

fair and valid. pulling off the organic vibe may prove difficult lol

[hollow jackal]

I think i got the ventilator part down 😄

[celest nest]

The ... ventillator?

[hollow jackal]

yeah its gonna be a shroom for nokko

[celest nest]

I see. Very cool and good.

[hollow jackal]

by the way when you mentioned clipping, does that mean like merging the models together

[celest nest]

It's not necessary for do for tennogen. You can literally just ram two models together and it will be fine.

[hollow jackal]

oh really huh intersting

but would i have to worry about the materials to make sure they match ?

[celest nest]

As long as you assign all your sub-models to same material, their materials will match.

Also, you can request DE to provide you with an appropriate matching microdetailing texture if you want to match it to default Nokko body mesh.

[hollow jackal]

wait I can request that from them? How ?

[celest nest]

Just attach a txt inside the zip export when you gonna upload it.

They read it.

[hollow jackal]

ahh I see

[hollow jackal]

I finally uv wrapped the helmet but my only issue right now is to set up a texture for the helm.. I tried painting to see if itll do anything but i keep seeing a alert that it has a missing texture which im unsure what to do with this part.. Update: Fixed it -facepalms- just forgot to assign texture

[steady wasp]

Is there a way to make the UV island look more clean in Blender?

[hollow jackal]

Would help you there but I’m still learning with the UV but curious about those blue textures on your UV.. are those roughness or metallics? How did you set them up?

[steady wasp]

Nah, it's for knowing if my UV map is distorted or not

[hollow jackal]

Ohhhh

[steady wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XleO7DBm1Us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_RqdNbYOjE&t=189s

Still tricky wether my UV is good before exporting to SP

Tried to bake on SP, but there are some problems

[hollow jackal]

Do I need to use substance painter or I don’t have to? Cause my subscription to SP is over so wondering if I could just the paint in the blender instead

[celest nest]

You don't have to

You can (if you can) texture in Blender

[celest nest]

(But Painter i s both easier and just better at doing textures)

[hollow jackal]

true but unfortunately i dont got it TuT

but I figured out how to make textures in blender

[hollow jackal]

uhh question is it normal to see the mesh or wires to pop up..??

I feel like i may have used smooth or grab too much hahaha

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[hollow jackal]

thought you meant a free version ahaha, im too broke rn TuT

but ty tho! i'll keep that saved

[steady wasp]

Can I ask is the base set up still the same? or is there a new one for SP?

also should I be aware that the size the same or different from Blender?

I follow the size ratio from Blender when baking

[steady wasp]

Nah, I bought the Steam version because people should know there's a permanent option than subscribing to their official website

[hollow jackal]

thats a blessing

im now stressing over my mushroom for not letting me do it's texture properly lol apparently some how its stretching its texture when i paint it

have I set something wrong for this ?

its supposed to color the cap seperately but it wont let me do it properly

[hollow jackal]

fixed it again turns out my uvs weren't made properly for this one

[steady wasp]

I think you have to retopo it after you finished sculpting, it needs a clean UV map island

I can only think is making low poly of the high poly

Also I think I might have stumble a texture error and the keris edge is blocky

The bottom is fine for now

[steady wasp]

Is there a way to fix the texture error in SP or do I have to fix the UV on Blender?

[valid pine]

looks like there's a bunch of those issues. I'm not 100% but I would start with checking the cage and making sure there are no red bits poking out when you bake, and if not check your ambient occlusion map

sometimes the mesh can occlude itself and bake in weird shadows

[steady wasp]

Mine's a bit pink than red

[valid pine]

I think pink is just where the cage itself overlaps, red is like RED red

[celest nest]

You want to add a edge loop around the edge.

[valid pine]

that looks ok. Delete the ambient occlusion map and see if it removes the shadowed bits

[steady wasp]

Actual delete or un-check the AO map?

[valid pine]

in texture set settings just fully delete the ambient occlusion map - you can rebake it on its own so it won't take too long

if it clears up the shadowed bits, then its your mesh occluding itself. If it doesn't then idk lol

I usually try to bake my objects with an exploded mesh then texture it unexploded to prevent it

[steady wasp]

I made a new AO, the cage should be fine from the bake

[valid pine]

how does this view look without the ambient occlusion map at all

like before you rebake the map, delete it and look at this view again

it looks like your mesh is casting shadows on itself in a few places and those get baked into the ambient occlusion map, but I can't tell if it's that unless we see it without the ambient occlusion map there

[steady wasp]

It looks like that

[valid pine]

hmm doesn't look like its that sorry

thats just one of the more common problems I run into that leads to black marks like that

[steady wasp]

is it very common? My other solution is check the low poly and UV maps in Blender

[valid pine]

it happens on almost every unexploded model I try to bake lol

[steady wasp]

so trial and error?

[valid pine]

usually

I just make sure everything is exploded before baking now

[steady wasp]

As for the part that are square and not round, is it based on the low poly? do I have to add more tris to make it round?

[valid pine]

Baking a rounded edge onto a sharp/flat edge will not make it round. The low poly needs to have the silhouette you want on the final model, and the high poly just bakes surface details

[steady wasp]

This for example

[valid pine]

baking doesn't add any geometry, it just gives the illusion of height and texture through the height/normal maps and varying roughness and metalness values

you'll have errors if the high poly silhouette is too far from the low poly's. That looks like it should be ok, but the corners might give you some trouble

[valid pine]

if you put them both in the exact same spot in blender so they overlap, what does it look like

[valid pine]

if you compare that to the yellow version in substance painter after the bake, it looks like your errors along the edge of the blade are happening wherever the low poly blade is poking through

might need to match the low poly a little closer. Try other, less destructive troubleshooting first but I have a feeling it could be that

[celest nest]

Add loop around the edge.

You need to support a bake.

[steady wasp]

Both sides are different, I think I have to make a new one that has more tris then

This is the high poly

[celest nest]

Your first model was too dense, but this one is too polygon light and cannot support bakes.

[valid pine]

yeah that's what I was trying to articulate, ty. The high and low poly versions are too different to bake without errors

[celest nest]

Excuse me while I drop on Cyberstan

[lime rock]

are you using a custom cage file? 90% of my substance painter bake problems are solved by that

[steady wasp]

I made the frontal 0.0119

[lime rock]

yeah thats not what i meant, try making a custom cage file from the low poly. just dupe the model and scale slightly

working on something unrelated but something like this

[steady wasp]

I think I wanna fix the top blade

[worthy crane]

Solaris Syandana almost done, just need to figure out what to do about the piston animation.

[steady wasp]

Almost looks like Dead Space Health RIG

[worthy crane]

Gonna try other versions, maybe stretch the FX along with it

[worthy crane]

Version 2 with Fx pan. Steam version next, if I can figure out how

[white reef]

Do y'all think DE would ever give us access to voidshell?

If they've sunsetted their own work with it, why not open the resources to the community?

Hell, I'd be willing to dedicate myself to setting that up and making voidshell varients

[zenith flax]

That'd be so nice. Voidshells have so much unrealized potential.

[worthy crane]

Does anyone know how to make smoke, fog, and or steam like from Baruuk Graxx skin and Zephphyr Migisi Helmet? Like are they particle effects or something?

[steady wasp]

For Blender user, is it okay to decimate retopo using Decimate Modifier or do it manually? I want to decrease the tris from 17,775

This is what it looks like without the decimate modifier

[rough saddle]

Wait, did you apply the triangulate modifier on your mesh?

[steady wasp]

yes, except the attachment that attach the blade

[rough saddle]

You wouldn't happen to have a backup file of this project before you did that, would you?

While tris are very much preferred for game models, triangulation is generally saved for the very end of the modeling process. As in, when you're are literally about to ship the asset out. For retopology, you generally want to keep everything in quads (with maybe a few tris if it's more beneficial for edgeflow). This is because quad topology is easier to manage as far as workflow goes than tris because you can more easily select and edit edgeloops and the like. I thought you were just keeping tris on so that you could keep track of your poly count better. Having everything be tris from the get-go will only make retopology more tedious in the long run.

[celest nest]

You can quadriangulate the faces back up, but why would you use decimation for retopology

isn't your model already sub 5k? Where did 17k come from?

[rough saddle]

>looks this up
>tests this out

Welp, gonna make a note of that for future use.

[celest nest]

Yeah triangulation is not a problem, I often do it before texturng in painter to make sure my textures lay out correctly, I just wonder where the tripple the polygon budget came from

[rough saddle]

Well my concern was if the user was modeling with triangles rather than just triangulating at all. I can't imagine trying to model with tris only.

[celest nest]

It's you know, suboptimal

But not super huge problem

To answer the question - decimation is not an acceptable tool for game-ready topology, it's acceptable tool for mid poly topology to retopologize from.

It's good to crunch down the model to basic shapes that you retopologize later, but it should not be used as an output model

[rough saddle]

Yes, retopology is done to simplify your edgework to both a lower poly count and to have cleaner edgeflow. Decimating after retopologizing, while it will certainly lower the poly count, is going to destroy the edgeflow that you made. Which will make the work you already put into the retopo completely redundant.

If you're concerned about the number of tris you have, your best bet is to just re-examine the topology you already made and see if there's any edgeloops you can edit or remove without sacrificing model silhouette.

[steady wasp]

I made 2 back up just in case

[celest nest]

what about some danger stripes for tint4

Good idea or back to drawing board?

(I designed skin with only three tints by accident (laziness) during concept phase and now struggling trying to find a place for tint4)

[lime rock]

I like danger stripes, looks cool

[slim wadi]

If you mean the pattern, then hell yeah. The colour I think is a little too outside of the range for existing factions...? Like bright magenta would go better for infested. I think.

[celest nest]

Just needed a contrast color to see where I'm painting it

[rough saddle]

I like the idea. Do you think you it can be pushed to be a little more chaotic? Looking at the example you gave made me think of the lionfish for some reason. Maybe you can mimic the unevenness of the striping to add to your tint?

[zenith flax]

Ooohhh that would be nice- and with the right material, a player could match the colors to go without the stripes, or just make them more subtle, or use them to really pop and contrast

[celest nest]

What a nice shrimp

[lyric skiff]

Apostate Uriel

Know what I should draw it

[steady wasp]

the 17k came from the small ornament that got subdivide (Already fix)

I've fixed the shape to follow the sillhouette of the keris blade, Not using Triangulate and Subdivide modifiers

Already fix the high tris number to 3,500 because Adding more edge for the blade

[halcyon schooner]

SO I had a dream last night about Warframe content of all things, and it was strangely vivid.
I dreamt of a new frame named Knoll, his description saying something about "the power of the working class" and that he was friends with Nokko. The extremely rough sketch I included was all I was able to remember about his design.

I'll try to make a more detailed drawing if I'm able sometime soon

I wasn't sure where else to post this, so sorry if this is the wrong channel XP

[dusty tapir]

I think thisd make more sense in #fan-art

[halcyon schooner]

Alright, I can move it there. Thanks

[worthy crane]

If my syandana gets accepted I'm thinking of doing armor pieces to go with it. If not I'll move on to trying a Solaris radiator skin for Qorvex.

[potent latch]

So will tenno gen stuff ever be transfered to PC ?

[ivory radish]

you mean those that were bought on outside of PC? no

[proven nacelle]

No and it never will; because of how TennoGen is set up + how royalties are distributed for each product, any TennoGen items bought on console will never transfer to PC and vice versa.

[steady wasp]

Is there a way to fix the visible line? I've fix the mesh and use exploder file to bake and use the combine version

[storm sigil]

What I would like to see is a paintbrush skin for any weapon.

[amber oyster]

Be the change you’d like to see

[spark sierra]

You always make goated sentient things

[amber oyster]

Oh ty! I try lol

[valid pine]

Lines like that appear when your mesh doesn't have enough geometry to support the curve you're baking onto it. Need to make your low poly smoother in those areas.

You can make a mid poly for the bake, then import the low poly and texture on it to see how it works first before adding more geo though.

[steady wasp]

Ok, I thought this would be enough to cover it. Made 2 version of it

[steady wasp]

I also wanna ask about ID map, can I just make them in SP or do I have to make them from our sculpting software (Nomad Sculpt) first then export them to SP?

[snow latch]

I asked this on the general chat but was the volt grax skin removed from the game?

I don't seem to have it in my skins anymore

(Android)

[ivory radish]

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1372814-tennogen-and-cross-platform-save/

tl;dr

[snow latch]

Ohh ok

[coarse forum]

You can do both, but I prefer making them in my 3D modeling software since the meshes are separated already (I use Blender though)

[celest nest]

You can make them in sp. I make mine in sp

[hollow flare]

how do you guys export and upload to Sketchfab so you can have that cool 3d viewer

[celest nest]

Last time I did, I just exported all maps, fbx itself, packaged them into a zip and uploaded to Sketchfab, then assigned all the maps to appropriate slots and it just kinda works

[hollow flare]

ok i did that but now the base color is just black and white. is there a tint channel in sketchfab?

[celest nest]

No, you'll have to make a colored diffuse yourself.

[hollow flare]

Wait wait i found a sketchfab output template in Substance painter! might work lets see

[celest nest]

I personally just attach a color fill to each of my tints in SP and export a SF ready model, intended just for showcase, not customization

[hollow flare]

SF ready model ok ill look for that

[celest nest]

It's just same exact model but diffuse is not game ready, aka it's not black and white but colored instead

And you don't have tints.

[hollow flare]

nice got it to show right in Sketchfab. hmm i guess we cant link that here.

[light laurel]

@ivory imp Congrats on getting your Entrati Nova skin into the game. I’m obsessed with the Ebtrati aesthetic so keep em coming!! 👍

[ivory imp]

Oh thank you!

[light laurel]

In fact I was inspired to start crafting nova prime in prep for the skin

@mystic flint just wanna say that I love how your Lavos Scaldra Skin is shaping up. Plz keep working on it. Would love to see it in game one day!

[ruby sun]

Oof I just looked over the overall requirements for the Operator Eyes, Face, and Ears cosmetics....

I wanted to create some neckwear/jewelry, which I guess isn't an option.

I suppose creating a chest piece would be a better alternative for that...

[mystic flint]

Thank you

[frigid sleet]

hello is there in anyway I can get the WFbrush for zbrush?

[normal phoenix]

Does anyone know how much the gauss and Grendel skins will cost when they drop or is it not public yet

[dusty tapir]

1st not really a tennogen thing second should be around the same price as your usual deluxe individually

[normal phoenix]

Sort that I asked in the Tennogen chat

[ruby sun]

Is there a base Tenno/Operator body sculpt we can import to Blender to create Transferance Suits with?

[ivory radish]

just heads, but not like we can even make operator/drifter suits for tennogen, unless you want it for a personal project

[ruby sun]

I guess it'll be for a personal project, I just have this idea I want to manifest. I am also a Blender newbie, so it'll take me some time to create what I am imagining. If anything it won't be posted into Tennogen, but into Steam Workshop

[ivory radish]

warframe's steam workshop is essentially tennogen, though it'd probably be ignored or hidden by DE if it doesn't fit the submission guidelines

[ruby sun]

fair

It's the vision and drive I care about for this idea. So, I'll see what I can do without said model. If anything, it'll be a frustrating fun project.

[ivory radish]

but also, as a blender newbie I highly suggest starting rather small first, like head accessories

get acquainted with the process, even if your end goal is a full body suit

[ruby sun]

noted

In the mean time, I'll see what I can do with MakeHuman and see if I start with creating a body for later use. And then return to Blender to mess around with making smaller head accessories like your suggestion.

[ivory radish]

seems good for an idea

[hollow flare]

hmmm i dont know why when i press play the fx dont pan/animate? is the addon glitched?

[hollow flare]

and is it possible to add the animation on the siketchfab viewer?

[hollow flare]

nevermind, i just made a fresh blender file and its all good

[hollow flare]

so question on the panning emissions. is this correct?

its giving me splotches all over. it does have panning texture working though

[hollow flare]

AGAIN i cant seem to fix this!

cant export the FBX for some godang reason.

made a FBX node, appened the 2 parts in it. it should work

hmmmm

it exports the textures but wont export the FBX

[native mirage]

Ngl, while i don't have the tech to do Tennogen. I've been coming up with idea's for Tennogen Stuff myself. and sketching them down every second i get. I'll share some idea's that's been boggling in my head for a bit

1. Nezha Helmet that inspired by Some Chinese crowns. flaming earings and A Single long tassel on the back to mimic a Large bird feather
2. Caliban Narmer Skin (cus why hasn't someone made it yet???)
3. A Jötun (a Viking Giant) inspired Grendel Skin
4. A Mosquito Inspired Nidus Helmet. that when transformed Has a Large Stinger and Attena's form
5. Edilon inspired Xaku Skin
6. Squid/Cthulhu inspired Hydroid Helmet
7. Infested Ocrina Skin
8. A techrot inspired Xaku skin with a TV for a helmet (Boken version has the TV shatter)
9. Chainsaw Man inspired Valkyr Skin
10. Infested Titania Skin

lmk your thoughts on these dumb little idea's i've had lol
(idk where else to post them so i'll dumb them here)

[celest nest]

Have you tried exporting obj instead

Also, if will sound stupid, but try scaling it to 0.01 on all axis

[spark sierra]

Is it possible to make tennogen operator and drifter outfits?

[ivory radish]

nope

[slim wadi]

not at present, no.
and as far as we know there's no plan on adding that feautre ((slowtyper yeaah)

[spark sierra]

🥀

[tacit barn]

Mind sending the .blend file over so I can check what's triggering this

[tacit barn]

Mesh too big

[tacit barn]

No more obj pls

[celest nest]

but

[hollow flare]

GG LETS GOOOOO

[hollow flare]

bruh you are right on the money. made the size tiny

[hollow flare]

thank for offering to help

[hollow flare]

OH i see now what happened. in the excalibur file we have a OBJ and a FBX file. and the OBJ file is giant! so i based it on that guy

ok i placed my signa correctly on the big guy. then resized them both down. so i made the size and placement correct

[light laurel]

Are they still taking signa submissions?

[hollow flare]

nah im just making mine HD... just incase lol

[hollow flare]

Finished my HD remake!!! thanks everybody for the help. learned every step of tennogen making and troubleshooting so my future works wont be a hustle anymore lol

[celest nest]

Yeah either obj or fbx files are always 100x the size of normal models in Blender for ???? reasons and is often so gigantic, viewport sometimes can't even render it

In which can you have to scale it down to 1%

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[harsh root]

Back to roughing out sculpts to define the base shapes a bit more

[rough saddle]

Anyone know where I can go to report tennogen-specific issues? I just noticed the UVs on one of Jade's wings is sitting slightly out of bounds. It's giving me some baking troubles.

[native mirage]

A Quick Sketch of a Nezha Tenogen Helm
Flaming Crown for the Flaming Prince

[light laurel]

Good luck

Cus pencil sketches won’t get you far

[rapid thicket]

I'd suggest the forums probably

[native mirage]

sadly I Know...But the plan was to catch the attention of people who are skilled at 3D modeling and making Tennogen!

I would learn to myself but I lack the Tools to do such things

[rough saddle]

I suppose I can drop this in the "TennoGen + Steam Workshop" category. Kind of wish there was one specifically for reporting potential issues with the tennogen resources.

[light laurel]

Yeah no, just learn how to do it yourself

Collabs exist, but drawing a pencil drawing is basically doing nothing

[ivory radish]

you know, he's already done a lot more than most "ideas people" or "people with wishes" in here have, thus on the right path to make something worthwhile

[light laurel]

A drawing is far from enough

Actually learn 3D modeling

I have some Tennogen stuff I want made too but I know my crayon drawings are far from enough

[native mirage]

Well, at least I had the Guts to post my idea (not trying to sound rude). Anything is possible these days. So who knows, maybe someone will pick up the idea and Bring it to life!

No need to be negative to someone posting their Ideas or Wishes!!! ❤️

[steady furnace]

a pencil with an idea can be the first step of a whole skin-line. The first step of a production of anything in the world of art is a sketch or a given picture of what we want to show.

[light laurel]

U need to actually 3D model it yourself. Nobody is going to do it for you

[steady furnace]

if you pay someone , yes they will , many tennogen are made that way

[light laurel]

I’m broke

So that’s double reason I can’t do that

[steady furnace]

you can't ... sure. It's depends on people's life indeed

but others can so it's possible. It's not because you cannot do it one way that's impossible for everyone.

[ivory radish]

kind of a "crabs in a bucket" mindset right here
let the guy make pencil sketches -- he's at least trying, and he certainly won't get any results without at least giving it a shot, be it even as small as a concept sketch

with enough constructive feedback and improvement through practice he could get up and out there

[dense plinth]

Random idea here is anyone thinking that temple could be a bard from d&d and make that a skin?

[rough saddle]

Not entirely true. There are plenty of tennogen skins that are a result of 2D artists collaborating with 3D artists. If you have an art concept for a skin and you manage to find a 3D artist willing to work with you on it, there's a way to make it work.

[light laurel]

But he said he doesn’t have the ability to make a 3D model

[rough saddle]

Blender is free to download, if you're willing to go down the 3D pipeline rabbit hole.

[hollow jackal]

Actually I did a pencil sketch and just had to make sure it was clear and big enough to make it work. I’m still in progress with my work ^^ but currently on hold due to irl stuff lmao

Important to have references as well!! Not just one -nods-

[ivory radish]

said lacks the tools, not the ability
and the tools are out there, like Blender as it's been said

or in case of not having a PC, there's variety of 3D modelling apps for phones and tablets out there too, free and paid-- although a far cry from having the toolset or performance like on a PC, let alone having the capacity to pursue tennogen without the hardware, but it's a good place to start learning the skill

[light laurel]

I just think ppl should make their own stuff instead of relying on handouts

[hollow jackal]

I don’t see anyone asking or relying on a handout tho? Only see someone wanted to share their idea and inspire others for new ideas or designs. I mean they said they would learn it themselves if they could.

[sick shard]

genuinely learning how to use blender to fulfill my inner child's NEED to make a gyre skin (do i have the frame? no. do i love her anyway? YES) lmao

[light laurel]

I think most designers will have their own ideas instead of using other people’s ideas

[hollow jackal]

[light laurel]

No, they explicitly said they shared it in the hope that a 3D modeler likes it and makes it for them

[rough saddle]

I'm not entirely sure how you expect collabs to work if the artist doesn't share their work to get the attention of 3D artists.

[light laurel]

I expect the other collaber to do the 3D work too

[rough saddle]

I'm not really sure how you expect that to work... ? Do you expect some form of exchanging 3D files back and forth? Usually how it goes is that one person makes the concept and then the 3D artist makes the actual skin.

I'm suspecting you believe the 3D work is where the bulk of the labor goes into the skin. I can assure you there's just as much effort that goes into the concept design.

[rough saddle]

If you're looking to find a 3D artist to collab with, my suggestion would be to keep pushing on this concept piece first. The idea behind concept art is to be as explicit about the concept as you can. So when you hand it off to another artist to actually make it a 3D asset, they can focus solely on making it while doing as little guesswork as possible. The idea you have is good, but it can be refined more. My suggestion, if you are able to do this, would be to try a paint over (like in the examples below (Uriel and Cyte-09 by @atomic spade , Nokko by @mystic flint ). Grab a screenshot of Nezha and try to paint over his helmet with your own design to see how it would look on his body. Try to get as specific as you can on the helmet shape and the ornamental details.

The sketch you made is a good start, but I think you can explore more with it.

[fossil sedge]

Hey this looks fun, maybe I’ll try

[rough saddle]

I can vouch, it's a real eye-opener on clamping down on ideas.

[native mirage]

Nokko Tennogen would be super interesting ngl

[native mirage]

Here's another idea I came up with. A Nokko Helm!
Wearing a mushroom like a Soggy Rice Hat with a Bandena made from another kind of mushroom

Mushroom Ninja!

Also, what would be the Price if I were to commission someone to make this Idea a reality?

[ivory radish]

in the hundreds at the very least, and you'd have to provide clearer, higher resolution refs, in multiple angles

[native mirage]

Damn...yeah I don't think I'll be doing that anytime soon lol

[celest nest]

I think you have decent ideas, but you need to work on execution a bit. Preferrably also transitioning to digital, if you got a tablet or a pc

[native mirage]

i got a Laptop luckily and a Kinda eh sketch pad..

I could try blender, if it can work on 8gb of ram

[celest nest]

It should, just keep your models under a mil polies

But I would recommend also downloading krita

[eager quail]

A reminder, please do not give personal information, this includes age, in our server.

[native mirage]

Sorry bout that Alyxis ❤️

RQ anyone know any free 3D Scuplting programs (Like blender) that i can use to make some Tennogen? :>

[celest nest]

You can setup Blender for sculpting

It will take a ton of plugins to make it reach same (or near same) level tho

[worthy crane]

Started on armor, messing around with parts to see what happy accident comes out.

[fossil sedge]

Is there a way to get a weapon concept added into the game? I know something along those lines happened with the jat kusar

[amber rose]

not here, tennogen's for cosmetics. could try the forums but it's prob unlikely cause something like the jat kusar was from a weapon design contest

[hollow flare]

interesting, i use no Plugins for my blender sculpting and im doing fine. what plugins do you recommend?

[celest nest]

I dunno, I don't use blender for sculpting

[hollow flare]

wait so how can you say you need plugins if you dont use it?

[celest nest]

I use Zbrush, and I know Blender is not as complex as Zbrush, so I said it's maangeable, but would need plugins to get to that level

[ivory radish]

zbrush is just more highly specialized for sculpting, blender is more like a swiss tool

[fossil sedge]

So what’s your process after sculpting in zbrush?

[celest nest]

Usually retopology in Topogun, then unwrap and UV optimization in Blender, texturing in Painter and render in either Marmoset or Blender. More commonly blender. If you're on a budget, you can do all of those processes in Blender.

If you're feeling adventurous, you can do retopo and unwrap in Zbrush, but it's comparable to trying to bend steel beams with a pliers.

[fossil sedge]

@amber oyster do the demons get skins too?

[amber oyster]

Sadly we were not given that option. Otherwise I would have had a lot of fun making them sentient

[fossil sedge]

Ah ok, skin looks actually insane btw

Insanely good

[amber oyster]

Thank you!

[warm idol]

Do you know what plugins would be helpful?

[warm idol]

since he is new, theres a chance they update the policy for him

like the abstract face rule, where you cant nescessarily just put eyes onto the model, mirage being the exception if I recall

[amber oyster]

I doubt it tbh

[celest nest]

There's no chance they'd do it. They didn't do it for other older frames with summons

[celest nest]

Generally speaking I don't use Blender for sculpting, but for general work I use meshmachin and uvpackmaster (4 now).

And a bunch of a pre-installed plugins, like Rigify. Rigify is great for posing for rendering.

[rough saddle]

#uvpackmasterrace

[celest nest]

You won't believe how long I have been packing UVs by hand.

[rough saddle]

I switched over to blender after having used Maya for about one or two years. Re-learning how to use the UV editor was an absolute nightmare.

[celest nest]

Long ago I was unwrapping and retopologizing stuff in Zbrush for no particular reason.

Back in like 2018

I was young, stupid, and very, very stubborn.

[rough saddle]

And you called me insane. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

[celest nest]

Now i'm just two of those.

I avoided learning Blender for the longest time due to incredibly obscure UI, but then they release I think v.3.0 and fixed all of my issues with it

I also started with Maya

[rough saddle]

Yeah, that was when Blender got a total overhaul. Though I use it mainly because I'm not a fan of subscription models. Haven't looked back yet.

[celest nest]

I haven't used Maya since. Tho I must admit that I know maybe like 10-15% of Blender really well, even hard surface I do in Plasticity

I mostly use it as a swiss army knife for unwrapping, optimization, posing, skinning, rendering and post processing

But not actual creation

[rough saddle]

Well, if you're ever interested in learning, I recommend blender secrets. They have a lot of to-the-point tutorials that only span about a minute.

[celest nest]

I occasionally stumble across their shorts when I need to find how to do some obscure function in Blender

[rough saddle]

Yep, that's that way ☝️

[celest nest]

I want to one day learn how to do geometry nodes. I seen people do absolutely crazy things with them

And I assume it's vastly different from Substance Designer

[rough saddle]

Couldn't say. Been meaning to learn that myself. I've seen one video where someone made an animation of a rasberry growing. Insane stuff.

[celest nest]

I've seen someone make a procedural dragonfruit bisection shader

With procedurally generated interior at any bisection angle.

And an IK controller that allows user to dictate it's shape

[rough saddle]

It's all black magic.

[warm idol]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-meme-warframememe-gif-52930624347421827

Time to bit the bullet on zbrush

[celest nest]

Zbrush is S tier sculpting software, but they discontinued their perpetual license and subscription is pretty expensive

[warm idol]

I went looking around the other day to see if I could find an archived version of ZbrushCoreMini

Apparently Maxon wiped it off the face of the earth

[celest nest]

Isn't COre Mini available for free

[warm idol]

Not anymore

Discontinued in 2023

[celest nest]

Odd.

[warm idol]

Hoping someone uploads it to internet archive

[celest nest]

I'm not a big Maxon enjoyer. I managed to buy a perpetual license, and I'm gonna keep it like a treasure.

[warm idol]

Oh

I stand corrected lmao, just found the core and core mini on internet archive

[celest nest]

It's free with limitations so I dunno why they'd remove it

It's basically a demo. I don't think you can even export .fbx with it

[warm idol]

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

You might be able to

Mini you cant but i think base Core

[celest nest]

It is what it is!

Man, if Adobe ever gobbles Blender

They can't keep getting away with this

[warm idol]

They wont

They cant I dont think

[rough saddle]

As far as I understand it, that will never happen due to how the Blender Foundation is set up.

[warm idol]

Aha

Is it legal to share the ZbrushCoreMini Internet Archive link in here if someone asks? It has been discontinued and it was always a free product

[celest nest]

I dunno, we can ask a mod

[warm idol]

I'm currently checking Mini but for core you still need a zbrush license

Mini you don't need a license, but sadly you can't import or export anything

[warm idol]

Technically it would make them a monopoly

[rapid thicket]

Yeah the whole zbrush switching to subscription even after they promised that owners of old perpetual licenses would still continue to get updates without having to subscribe is sth I'm still incredibly salty about (and why I'm using zbrush 2021 lol)

[warm idol]

youre not missing much

[storm sigil]

Hopefully there's a paintbrush skin for any kind of weapon

[warm idol]

Well

Make it look universe accurate and get to work on one

[warm idol]

Trying to work out more of a stetson hat design for mesa but rn it looks like a kaiju from pacific rim

Like a mix of knifehead and leatherback

[light laurel]

….i had an idea for a Sculdra-themed skin for Uriel. I don’t have any access or skills in 3D modeling so I guess I’ll just draw it

[warm idol]

I'd be down to help with the modeling

Or getting the shaping out

[light laurel]

That’d be awesome

I also have an idea for a Scaldra-themed skin for Valkyr, in the style of the Scaldra Flayer

[warm idol]

Very doable me thinks

Atleast getting the shape

[warm idol]

Gonna start working on this rn to get used to the scaldra style

[warm idol]

This felt familiar, couldnt put my finger on it but I think I might have internalized Excal's arturius helmet and put it on mesa lmao

[humble notch]

Hello! Can someone please help? May I know how I cannot Save As the file as .PNG with SuperPNG add-on feature?

I cannot save it as .PNG with SuperPNG add-on feature after I added more Layer there. As far as I know I will be needing having 3 Layers which are Red, Green and Blue color layers. I also have added Alpha channel on the Channel section

[polar thunder]

Hi

Im working in a helmet for Gauss

Can anyone her to give me feedback?

[foggy pagoda]

I'm no pro so probably take what I say with a grain of salt
Anyways I think you got the vibe right, with the boosters and streamlined look
It feels a little flat I think? Could use more verticality maybee

Sorry if my comments are silly!

[polar thunder]

Thank you. Thats the idea. The flat look is inspiration of deportive classic cars

[foggy pagoda]

Oh I see!
Sorryy

[light laurel]

Haven’t seen anyone post this here yet https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2595524715

[warm idol]

A bit too smooth for my taste, like its a bubbly little honda

[warm idol]

@polar thunder You use blender to model it right?

[polar thunder]

Yes

[warm idol]

Any tips?

Like brushes, addons, etc?

[polar thunder]

For example?

[polar thunder]

Hmmm...

If you wana do details and lines in a surface use multiresolution, sculpt the destails, and bake then in the simple geometry. Dont use geometry for the details

[warm idol]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-i-see-think-thinking-pondering-gif-4994872

[warm idol]

Do you also start with the base head of the frame you're doing and then use the grab tool to move and shape it, or do you use some spheres and join them?

[rough saddle]

Good start, but you can definitely push the detailing more. While I like the smooth, chrome shell look, your helmet can benefit from more exposed "machinery" underneath the chrome plating to help break up the larger surfaces. The backside of the helmet, for example, could really benefit from this. I made a mockup to show what I mean (as an example. You do not have to follow what I made). Using the crease sharp brush and creating a series of grooves along the flow of the mesh's shape goes a long way.

[polar thunder]

I dont use the head. I start from 0

[polar thunder]

Nice. I Will try TY

[warm idol]

Id love to see your process in a video

[celest nest]

I would advise againste squiggly lines on outer panels.

[polar thunder]

I didnt did it

[celest nest]

Also I would add some creasing lines around to solidify the shape

Too soft and bubbly right now

Also a good idea to put mechanical details below panels and around thrusters

[polar thunder]

I hope they choose one of my designs for Tennogen

[rough saddle]

Anyone here know if there's a way to get opacity to work in tennogen's substance shader? I have the channel active right now, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything. The tennogen guide says I can use it if I "flag the shader" for that, but I don't know what that means.

[celest nest]

Not with des shader, it doesn't natively support it. Just switch to another shader and paint opacity

[rough saddle]

I see. That's a little cumbersome, but I can work with that. Thank you.

[celest nest]

(Realistically they probably updated it to somehow work with it, but I don't know how to enable it, so all my opacities i do in other shader and just overlay a black diffuse on top of opacity mask to see where its transparent in de shader)

[rough saddle]

(That's a clever workaround and I'll definitely be keeping that in mind. I'm trying to make glass and this definitely makes the process a little more tedious. Not even the more recent guide for luminous glass in the tennogen forums seem to go over opacity for some reason.)

[celest nest]

Speaking of glass!

Make it a separate mat and model and then add txt marking it as glass. Don't try to imitate it yourself, de has a special shader they apply

And make sure its manifold

That's about it

I'll go look at ducks now

[rough saddle]

Oh yeah, I have all that set up in blender 👍 I was just hoping if there was a way to preview it why I'm still working on the textures in substance. Guess I gotta jerry-rig it.

[celest nest]

You can just use glass bsdf inblender to render and preview

[rough saddle]

Well I mean preview in substance. I can do that too though.

[celest nest]

Im gonna go on a limb and guess, but painter had glass shader too. Just apply it to the model that has to be glass

But make sure it's separate mat

(I never made specifically glass for any of my works, only opacity based fades

[rough saddle]

It does, but the opacity doesn't work with DE's shader specifically. Every other channel works as intended, but opacity isn't doing anything. Hence my earlier question. I can technically work around it by switching to the other shaders. It's just tedious, is all.

[warm idol]

To add onto this, you were going for a design of old cars but what you hit feels like the jetsons car. I would recommend (keep in mind this is just my own personal tase) going off a 60s era ford thunderbird, a pontiac firebird, or one of the "Jet Age" concept cars

(Everything is listed in order of left to right, up to down)

(Also please my brudda we need more tennogen creation streams)

[celest nest]

I tried doing them long ago but nobody watched. Its kinda boring seeing someone draw squiggles for three hours

[warm idol]

Maybe uploading the VOD would work better, since people can have it on in the background as background noise

As well as skip past what they deem the less interesting parts

[warm idol]

Hear me out

Dagath as the Fourth Horseman

[spark thunder]

Dagath Ur

Ok but I'd actually love to see an alternative temple skin, maybe entrati theming could be fun

[warm idol]

Have it be a more regal looking skin

You know sometimes I wonder

Is it easier to start with the helmet and work your way down, or start with the body to get the theming right

[night steppe]

Could see a dagath ur helmet to be used on the garuda deluxe body

[warm idol]

Ping ponging between ideas rn, but hypothetically if one were to know how to get the entrati obol coin pattern in blender

[light laurel]

U want to make an Entrati skin?

[warm idol]

https://tenor.com/view/let's-practice-a-little-bit-adam-engvid-let's-do-a-bit-of-practice-learn-english-with-adam-gif-1282300164386821180

[light laurel]

Fair enough

[warm idol]

And fair to say practice is in order

https://tenor.com/view/matthew-smoking-hard-true-detective-matthew-mcconaughey-panik-gif-5864313354674625992

[solid pulsar]

Hello TennoGen artists! FOLLIE FILES will be shared very soon! In the coming days. 🎨
Will include a ReadME.txt that explains how to handle the ink elements; what you can and cannot do!

[amber oyster]

Hopefully the restrictions allow what I have planned 👀

[warm idol]

https://tenor.com/view/chopper-gif-26230616

[warm idol]

Yall who use blender, do you swap to something else to paint on the fine details like the accents and all that or the whatchamaccalits like in the image below?

[rough saddle]

With all due respect, I can't really tell what I'm looking at in the image due to how blown out it looks. I strongly suggest using windows+shift+S to directly screenshot on your computer and then ctrl+v into discord.

Though on the point of accents, I do all of my texture "painting" in substance painter.

[celest nest]

(if you use hdr monitor, make sure to enable HDR correction in snipping tool options, otherwise your screenshots will be borderline pure white)

[native mirage]

Rq, is there people who make scams offering to do 3D modeling here?

Got a few Dms regarding ideas I've posted here, of people offering to do my ideas. Highly suspicious and I'm unsure if it's ligit

[ivory radish]

scams? that's a first for 3D, unless they send only DMs

[tawny osprey]

sheesh the follie basemesh is cooooomplex

truckton of detail modeled in there

[celest nest]

I've not heard of people scamming others by doing 3d models, but I'd be very careful one way or another

[native mirage]

You got it thxs Fellas!

[light laurel]

I recommend checking if they’ve actually had any successful Tennogen submissions or not

[native mirage]

Gotcha, yep. This guy is clearly a Scam then

[spring kelp]

I got no experience with blender or anything but I have ideas for Follie skins if some other creators that post their work in here would be interested in them. I can gather references too

[light laurel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/fZmGBFBFQ9

(By BlazingCobolt and Capitan Tagada)

[light laurel]

According to them, DE isn’t interested in either of these, which is sad to me

But I guess I sorta get it, Excalibur already has many skins

[slim wadi]

These projects we're finished less than a month ago tho...? Do they make decisions that quick now?

[ivory imp]

ah that comment is missing some context. they aren't interested in the 2h nikana skin i did and frost didn't catch their eye either. the excal and nikana have no word yet

[celest nest]

I swear if they have no problems with your excalibur's neck

(They probably will)

[ivory imp]

its excalbur, my hope for it being selected is pretty low lol

[celest nest]

Yeah. I dunno if I shoudl rework my excalibur to be more "classical" or just abandon it. Seems like DE is uninterested in excalibur with two horns

[warm idol]

Quick question, did you use substance painter for the body's detail work or was it hand carved in the modeling engine?

[ivory imp]

a lot of smaller texture details done in substance yes

like dirt

actual body details are sculpted in zbrush

[warm idol]

Ahhh

how did you get the entrati obol lookin deals to be so appealing? was it a specific brush that just overlaid it or did you do each and every one

[ivory imp]

its a single obol i turn into an insert brush with modifers so it copies the sculpt under it

i place each one individually, then clean up and cut areas where i dont want the obols to be

[warm idol]

I'll need to do that when I renew my zbrush membership

[ivory imp]

i make sure there is a raised ridge next to the edge thats been cut

[light laurel]

Bought the skin already 💕 love it!!

Btw, what happened to your Entrati Titania skin?

[ivory imp]

awww thank you!

titania didnt catch their eye. i plan on going back and trying her again later 🙂

[light laurel]

Looking forward to it!

[rough saddle]

Finally at a spot where I can share what I got so far. I still have to add in the roughness and specular. I'm open to feedback.

[celest nest]

You want to solidify sculpt on wings, and I would recommend dithering the emissives a bit.

[rough saddle]

What do you mean when you say solidify in this context?

When you say dither, are you referring to adding blur? I do have that for the emissions, but I can make it stronger if needed.

[celest nest]

Dither- gently blur the edges so the emissives is less harsh.
Solidify - your sculpting right now has visible low poly edges, you want to smooth out areas that are jagged and add some solidifying edges to make sculpt overall less soft and rubbery looking

I would also make a more aggressive shading layer to accentuate curvature more

[rough saddle]

Gotcha, so a stronger blur.

It's that noticeable? I've been trying to smooth out those jagged edges on the wings, but the geometry is surprisingly fickle. I'm not sure how to straighten that out.

[celest nest]

It is noticeable. I personally spend some time smoothing and building up high poly surfaces until they're very smooth when I start.

[rough saddle]

Wait, are you referring to the indentations on the backside of the wings specifically?

[celest nest]

Yes

[rough saddle]

Ah, okay. Yeah, I can smooth those out more if it's too distracting. I left the roughness of that specifically alone since I was trying to mimic the crude leather on the kuva guardians.

[celest nest]

I will also say that your sculpting looks a bit flat and not aggressive enough

Ears are an example.

[rough saddle]

I see what you mean. Would that be something I would have to adjust using the curvature map?

[celest nest]

No. Curvature map will be a bandaid. You realistically want higher peaks and deeper valleys in the high poly itself

Add a lip on overlapping edge to accentuate paneling

One sec I'll sculpt something on phone

Very rough, im on a walk right now

[rough saddle]

I greatly appreciate the time you're taking.

[celest nest]

A good idea is to accentuate panel gaps with a lip

Its a bit too rough, I need to find a bench to make a better sculpt

Can't find bench!

[celest nest]

Found a bench. Will sculpt what I mean now

Something like this, panel gaps with raised edges and more pronounced volume

I think i sat into something

Man. I guess i wanted to dry clean my coat anyway

(Of course depends on material. There's no reason for pipes to have raised edges where they connect visually to a panel overlapping them)

[warm idol]

I'd be wary about giving her such prominent eyes, I can't find it in the tennogen website but I recall them talking about abtract faces

[celest nest]

Grineer have semi-exclusion to this rule

As long as it's a mask

[warm idol]

Yeah

and or its just one thing (see that one limbo tennogen with a monocole for example)

[rough saddle]

What Vulbjorn said is pretty much the reason I went with the eyes as much as I did. I used the kuvael series as reference for where I figured it should still be acceptable. Otherwise, I'm gonna need better reference for what constitutes for a mask.

[celest nest]

Grineer arena contenders

Look at their masks

[rough saddle]

Looking back at my sculpt, yeah, I can definitely push things more. Guess that's my week spent. I'll keep this in mind.

[celest nest]

That's pretty good sculpt

I think you can just bake normal with higher strength

[rough saddle]

Thank you.

Well the normal map you see in the earlier screenshots was baked using the mesh map function in substance. I didn't see if there was a setting to make it stronger, but I can double-check.

[celest nest]

Do you have painter

[rough saddle]

Yeh

[warm idol]

For the love of god use substance painter my brother

[celest nest]

Or marmoset

Marmoset bakes and renders better, but baking in modern painter is so good, difference is insignificant

Blender baking is.... serviceable.

I think your sculpting is of acceptable for game quality

On that screenshot

[rough saddle]

As long as there's a way to increase the bake strength in painter, that works perfectly fine with me.

[celest nest]

There's a way of making normal map more contrast, but I forgor because im in a burger join right now and brain filled with onyo

[rough saddle]

It's all good. Nothing a google search can't fix.

[celest nest]

Onyo

I wonder if erneix is awake. He around be able to explain better the style

Oh that's right, he got banned from here because his account got hacked few months ago and started paying Mr beast nonsense

[rough saddle]

I wish he had more sketchfab entries. I've had to resort to graxx to fill in the finer details.

[rough saddle]

... oh...

[celest nest]

We can't get him unbanned yet

But I can ask him to talk to is you want

[rough saddle]

That would be wonderful!

[celest nest]

One sec I'll friends you to get you into a group

[warm idol]

ayo?

[rough saddle]

The graxx tennogen series. While you can view some of them on the steam workshop, all of the models are available for viewing directly on sketchfab:
https://sketchfab.com/fredrick

[warm idol]

the fact this wasnt added in is an actual travesty

[rough saddle]

What do you mean? That's an accepted skin.

[warm idol]

it is?

Oh I didn't recognize it without out the hat, mb

[rough saddle]

I figured out how to strengthen the normals. Literally just make a fill layer for normals that stacks on top of the mesh maps one.

[warm idol]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-let-him-cook-cook-cooking-breaking-bad-gif-27522167

[light laurel]

Oh my god I NEED This.

[ivory radish]

oh that is looking mighty scrumptious

[light laurel]

The two existing skin themes I’m obsessed with: Entrati and Kuva

The Skin Category I want to start seeing: Scaldra

[oak wing]

So like

How far can we go with tennogen submissions

I've noticed (or I'm just blind) that there hasn't been any tennogens that alter the model of a warframe's body, only the texture. That's about the only thing I've noticed though

[amber rose]

yeah tennogen can't alter the body model. if u want to learn all about it here's the guide: https://www.warframe.com/en/steamworkshop/getting-started

also one of the other main things is what u make has to fit under a faction style (tenno, grineer, corpus, etc.)

[warm idol]

It can, it just can't alter the sillohuette from what I saw, like you can't do anything that can't be baked on as a texture

[celest nest]

We cannot alter body mesh at all.

Only textures

[light laurel]

Sharing this here in case anyone wants to help me with my Uriel Scaldra skin

[rough saddle]

The only part of the body mesh that can be 'altered' is the neck by giving it additional geometry. And that's entirely dependent on whether it's needed for the helmet you designed. I believe one of Oberon's skins is like that.

[light laurel]

Does what I’ve made look code-compliant?

[rough saddle]

Honestly, very hard to tell. Your sketch is very vague in a lot of places that would make it really difficult for a 3D artist to work off of. As for the details you have drawn in, it's possible to fit them into Uriel's base mesh but you would need to do a bit of tweaking first. I would recommend, if you can, to either get a screenshot of Uriel in-game or find an image online and try a paint-over in a digital art program (photoshop, krita, etc) to get a more accurate idea of how viable this design is.

[warm idol]

(Photogimp is a free alternative to photoshop btw, legitamately just photoshop)

[foggy pagoda]

The helmet/head is allowed to have a custom model though, so keep that in mind when painting over :D

[light laurel]

Sure

[light laurel]

When do you expect to be finished with your Kuvael Jade Skin? I really love it

[rough saddle]

Hopefully by the end of next month. But considering all of the complications, I wouldn't be surprised if it's another 3. The most realistic answer is "when it's ready."

[light laurel]

Good luck

[warm idol]

Should it get in, I will be buying that post haste

[light laurel]

SAME

[rough saddle]

Thank you all for the support.

[steady furnace]

OH MY DAYS THIS IS FIRE

You nailed the design ngl

[compact marsh]

Out of curiosity, are there any Narmer faction tennogens?

[foggy pagoda]

Narmer isn't listed as a valid aesthetic

[compact marsh]

Would Archon aesthetic be put under a different faction then or not allowed on the tennogen?

[foggy pagoda]

As in... Sentient aesthetic?
So far the Sentient TennoGens resemble the “regular” ones like Conculysts, with the red white and black
Archon style might be iffy, but idk

[oak wing]

Tragic, I wanted to give Uriel a knightly aesthetic with a capriote

[light laurel]

There’s officially released Narmer armor, syndana and ephemera if you’re interested

[amber oyster]

You’d have to ask about archon. Likely not though. Eidolon, generic, murex/orphix are though

[compact marsh]

Ohhhh is that why it’s off the table for ternogen? I saw it and it wasn’t exactly what i envisioned

[rough saddle]

You could still do that. You can't change the body, but you're at liberty of making a new alt helmet if you want.

[next oriole]

We need the stalker helmet for Excal as a tennogen item

[celest nest]

I think this is out of question

[oak wing]

Naaaaah

[oak wing]

The helmet design I had In mind would look too sharp against uriel's base body model

[rough saddle]

I think you could probably curve the point in a fashion to match with his shoulders. But it's your call, at the end of the day.

[oak wing]

I could potentially make an entire armor set for it, but then again I run into the issue of 'how far am I allowed to go'

[rough saddle]

I believe any idea deserves the right to be put onto a canvas before making a final judgement. Never know what works until you can actually see it.

Only thing I'd advise is to make sure you have a specific faction in mind. DE is very strict about that.

[light laurel]

I want to make a Scaldra skin for Uriel, Voruna, Valkyr and maybe Jade

[warm idol]

I mean his body is sort of perfect for that, plus the panels on his wrists work for banners

Now heres a good question, would archon themed tennogens fall under sentient or warframe?

[light laurel]

Sentient

Pazuul is a archon, yet he’s 100% sentient made

It’s the sentient component that makes the archons archons

And they existed long before the beginning of new war

[plucky ferry]

• in the old peace if I'm remembering right we see one of the archons without a Warframe as a body

[light laurel]

Exactly

The wolf guy

Amar

That’s why on my big replay of new war, I’m killing him last

But I’m going off topic

[oak wing]

👀

[next oriole]

I think we should get the stalkers helmet for Excalibur so we can cosplay him. Also I think it’d be much more interesting to have angelic and demonic themed items given the direction warframe is heading towards and I think a set of drifter armor that makes him look like a protoframe could be nice and an operator outfit that is the same as the one we see in old peace

I’ve thought much on this

[rough saddle]

Tennogen artists can only do accessories for drifter/operator, not outfits.

[ivory radish]

not to mention that outfit already exists, why create "the same one"

[plucky ferry]

stalkers helmet should be on a few frames since the acolytes also have it and seem to use different frames as a base

[light laurel]

They ain’t gonna give us Stalker’s helmet. I think there’s a rule against it. They want stalker’s helmet to be a unique thing that separates Stalker’s forces from us

[dusty tapir]

Itd also ruin the fun of when you do get to play as stalker

[graceful nova]

I really want to design a pink angel sort of costume for trinity but alas. Blender and I have a hate-hate relationship.

[celest nest]

Consider learmning Nomad Sculpt! It's in open beta on PC now!

You get to sculpt silly things at worse and make HOLY SHIT MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY at best!

[graceful nova]

Taking notes

[warm idol]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-9153436094461474685

[celest nest]

Zero! None! Zilch! Nada!

[warm idol]

Say less

[celest nest]

(while it's in beta. It's pretty good, I have it on phone for park bound sculpts when I'm not enterntained by duck observance shenanigans)

(It's 20 euros on mobile)

[warm idol]

What is that in freedom units

[celest nest]

Are you in north or south states

Anyway, it's 22$

[warm idol]

I was unawares that the union split

[celest nest]

Yeah about 20 min ago

[warm idol]

Ongod?

[celest nest]

As much as this day allows me to

[tulip geode]

I'm kind of confused on the In-game resolution 1024 x 512 thing. Maps should be authored at 2048 x 1024 and thats how the files are but what does the in game resolution mean?

[celest nest]

That's what resolution they'll have in game. Ideally you'll want them to look good even at lower resolution for LOD reasons

[light laurel]

I want to make a Scaldra-themed skin for Equinox and Harrow, combining a paramilitary aesthetic with an ornate priestly design

[green maple]

Guys I have a question that I don' think has been asked before. I've been wanting to do tennogen for years now and finally decided to give it a go. This is just a quick sketch of a possible alt helm I'd love to make for Kullervo. Is the reuse of assets from the original allowed at all? (for example Kullervo's knives) I'm totally down to design my own but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask.

Would also be curious if any kullerbros in here like my idea

[celest nest]

Its allowed. Im not sure if de will enforce knives being part of head mat or body

[green maple]

oh okay cool

might still design new knives myself since the proportions of the base knives look a bit off compared to a helmet

[zenith flax]

That design IS pretty sick
I'd assume the only technical limitation is that the knives will have to be in the helmet regardless of the auxiliary toggle for the body

[green maple]

Thank you so much! And yeah that's the only downside, but hey for the people that love the knives, this helmet could be a great addition to their fashion

here's another revised sketch, gonna design the knives and will draw a side and back view before I start sculpting it out

I'd also like to include some energy fx like what both base helmets have. Around both knives

Is there a guide somewhere on how to make proper energy effects like some people have done with revenant cosmetics?

[dusty tapir]

I love the knives kullervo looks off without em

[green maple]

I agree, there's only 1 config where I have them turned off I think due to clipping between them and attachments

[celest nest]

If I'm not mistaken energy fx like what rev has semi exclusive to rev, however, if you want to make v something like this, you need to make a separate material, dedicate a certain amount of uv res (your texture res is your TOTAL budget) and then make an emissive FX with zero opacity on diffuse and no other maps

[green maple]

didn't seem like it was exclusive to rev in the rules. But I'll go through it again to make sure

[celest nest]

At least when I was making a rev3nant, de told me that this specific fx type is his own and I was verboten from making custom

[green maple]

ah I see

[celest nest]

Yeah I don't remember this part. Im not sure if I was told "don't make unique" or "don't replicate"

But if it's allowed, use second part of my message

[green maple]

I just wanna include some of those since his other helmets both have those flowing energy effects in them

How do you make it animated though?

[celest nest]

If other helmets have it - allowed

[green maple]

okay sick

[celest nest]

You do scrolling emissive via r+g+b+a split

Where you draw your emussive card in one channel and then add scrolling seamless texture in overlaying one and then adjust scroll via ... don't remember what. Mesh meta data maybe.

Its not hard

Btw

[green maple]

it sounds a bit confusing rn since I've never done it before but I think I'll be able to figure it out quite quickly once I get there

[celest nest]

Have you considered making an oni mask wish knife hilts forming its tusks

[celest nest]

Don't worry. My first model too me six month start to finish. It's one step at a time

[green maple]

that is kind of the vibe I was going for, I could def try making the hilts a bit curved

I'll make a couple sketches of different knive designs

[celest nest]

I think your concepts are on level to be good enough for the game btw

[green maple]

I'm not too worried about the whole modeling part, moreso the technical aspects they laid out in the guide

[celest nest]

(But you could go a more extreme and extravagance. Subtlety abhors Slaanesh)

[green maple]

how to format the texture sets correctly etc

In septemeber-october I kind of speedran an entire custom warframe model for a school assignment. It is lacking a lot of those finer details that actual ingame models have but it was a blast

[celest nest]

Textures are one of the later steps. First is focus on color distribution and composition, then high poly sculpt

[green maple]

did it all in 2 weeks, lemme see if i can find it

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/zxVA6Z

based off my own concept

[celest nest]

Youre on point. Guaranteed you'll make something good enough for game

[green maple]

thank you so much!

[celest nest]

If you've done that in two weeks it's impressive regardless of lack of detailing

[green maple]

always wanted to create tennogen stuff but was too scared to try for a looooong time 😂.

[celest nest]

Is that game ready rigged or high poly?

[green maple]

I honestly would love to remake him with proper detailing at some point

[green maple]

game ready fully retopologized

30 something k tris i think

[celest nest]

Oh yeah. I don't know what you're worried about then

[green maple]

blasted through the retopo in 2 days while binging arcane 😂

Thanks for the nice words Vulbjorn, I really do appreciate it!

I'll keep posting updates in here

figured I'd just try out making a helmet first and then make full skins later with the knowledge i'll gather during this whole process

[rough saddle]

This is some impressive work. I definitely think the only real hurdle for you at the moment is simply taking the dive into tennogen. You're playing it smart doing only an alt helmet for now.

[celest nest]

Your only real hurdle is not becoming lazy like me

[storm sigil]

Wow I'm quite astounded. Makes me want to see about wanting to possibly commission.

[harsh root]

Keeping up the rough sculpts to prototype shapes

[green maple]

thanks a lot! I've never done commissions before but I'd love to!

[green maple]

update on this, the knives aren't fully drawn out in the helmet but I hope you get the idea with that seperate knife sketch

[celest nest]

Realistically you can start sculpting

[green maple]

guys, how exactly do I match the materials of the base skin if most of the textures aren't included in his example files?

I mean I should be able to match them based off in game screenshots but this would make it pretty hard to make some nice renders of the finished piece.

[celest nest]

That's the best part

"As best as you can"

Or just use ripped models to match textures

You also can ask de to use their own micro detailing textures. They're impossible to replicate otherwise on our side

(Partialy why I always make my own full skins. Don't need to match textures)

[green maple]

who exactly do I contact for that?

[celest nest]

You just include txt with instructions in export zip

In terms of kullervo it can just say "bleas match microtextures, thanks xoxo"

[green maple]

what are these microtextures btw?

never really heard of the term

[celest nest]

Separate atlas of textures that is loaded when you're looking at them upclose. Like 16k

Shared with level maps often

If you look very upclose at new frames

[green maple]

had no idea those were used

just to be clear, tennogen artists do not need to make those?

[celest nest]

No. We can't even make them. De applies them themselves.

We wouldn't even have res budget to make microdetails like this

[green maple]

okay I see

[green maple]

returning back to this, would I not be in violation of the game's TOS and risk an account ban for using a ripped model for that?

[celest nest]

De semi doesn't care. Without those models half the fan animations would be impossible

Or a lot of cosplays

Probably 100% of 3d printed ones

But if you want to be extra sure, just eyeball match the textures

I personally just gather reference in game and make a little pureref file with photos and then try to match stuff. Helps that I work with infested

[green maple]

Yeah that is what I was planning to do, it'd just be a bummer to not be able to make a render of the helmet with the body without having to remake those textures myself

[celest nest]

We can ask mod

[green maple]

I'm just wondering why for some frames those textures aren't included while with most, everything seems to be included in the example files

[celest nest]

One sec I'll ask around

[green maple]

thank you so much!

[celest nest]

Probably just eyeball and ask for microtextures from de

[green maple]

Ig I'll just try compositing my helmet on top of an in-game screenshot or something for the workshop page when I get to that part

[warm idol]

I believe their motto for it is as long as you aren't using them for commercial gain, you are allowed to use ripped models (Insert half the fan art i do)
They do have textures given with the models btw, you just have to match them up

[green maple]

Kullervo just gets emission textures, normal maps and tint masks in the example files unfortunately

[warm idol]

Ah

Do they say to make your own?

[green maple]

yeah

[warm idol]

If you have substance painter, I believe this may work. Its from Hydroxate on his texturing video so Im assuming its safe to post

If its not please dont smite me, ill delete it

[green maple]

Is that just a general material applicable on all frames or kullervo specific?

btw another thing, the tint mask included in kullervo's files has a loooot of black in it. I'm not even sure if those are correct

in any case ty for the material! I'll give it a try

[green maple]

example in blender

[warm idol]

I honestly would have no clue

[rough saddle]

I would strongly recommend checking resources in the tennogen art guide. While the material hydroxate provides is supposed to be the official shader, the version of the shader depends on what version of substance painter you have. Just make sure you're using the correct one.

[rough saddle]

This is a result of not plugging in a diffuse texture. Without a diffuse map, the material doesn't actually register any tints, so it all just looks black (emissions being the obvious exception). If you just plug in a texture that's all white (or gray), you should be able to actually see the different color channels.

[rough saddle]

Without diffuse:

[rough saddle]

With diffuse:

[green maple]

is that an addon you're using?

never seen that menu before

[rough saddle]

Yes, it's the official tennogen blender addon DE made. It's available in either the resource channel of this discord or from the tennogen art guide:
https://www.warframe.com/en/steamworkshop/exporting-tennogen-files

I cannot emphasize enough the importance of checking out the resources from the art guide.

[green maple]

oooooh I see, I had installed the add-on already but didn't understand how the materials menu worked

[rough saddle]

I will definitely say that the addon could benefit from an actual guide. But yeah, it's built so that all you have to do is just plug in your textures from that side menu with no need of doing any tweaking in the actual shader editor.

[green maple]

aha, there we go, thanks for the help!

[green maple]

okay guys this might be a stupid question, but what does the diffuse map do exactly? I've never worked with a diffuse/specular workflow so this is all a bit new. if the tint mask tells the game where every color goes, does the diffuse map just add some variation to the colors by making it lighter and darker depending on the diffuse map's luminance?

how do i create and export a diffuse map in substance painter btw? Let's say I set up a custom tint mask for my helmet. Do I just create a B&W fill layer under it in which I add texture variation?

I know I'm jumping ahead a couple steps since I don't have a model yet but I just want to make sure I understand the whole process for the most part

[ivory imp]

You already got it

Diffuse is how light/dark your applied tint is. Most notable is metal materials, those will be brighter on the diffuse map

[green maple]

don't wanna spam the other channel too much so here's the quick blockout i made of the helmet. I'm liking the proportions so far but any feedback is always welcome

[celest nest]

I think holes are too big

They need something to fill them

[green maple]

the ones in the face?

they're not gonna be totally hollowed out, there'll be some filler geo and also those flowing energy effects

but I could try adding in some more details there

[celest nest]

Alright

[mystic flint]

https://vxtwitter.com/edwino_22/status/2041476564706025932

edwino22 (@edwino_22)

Work in progress of a sentient skin for Jade!
Collab with the very cool @stickley_owen!
#tennogen #warframe #tennocreate

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 7, 2026, 11:21 AM

[green maple]

damn, looks sick! Awesome work

[cedar mango]

Hey folks! I'm kinda new to this server, is this where I can ask for feedback regarding the Tennogen pieces?

These are supposed to be inspired by the Scaldra, any feedback would be greatly appreciated 🙏

[light laurel]

I like 4 and 6 the most!

[warm idol]

Quite fond of 6 myself

[light laurel]

You could probably make both 4 and 6, then leave it up to DE to choose

If you are lucky they may choose both

[rough saddle]

The practicality of creating two sets of armor with the expectations of only one being picked is... questionable, if I'm being honest.

[light laurel]

I didn’t know that. Couldn’t 1 person create multiple pieces of shoulder armor or something?

[rough saddle]

If we're speaking in terms of turning these concepts into 3D assets, technically yes. But that's a lot of effort you'd be putting in for just the hope of only one being accepted. You'd be better off putting all of your attention into the one and making it look as good as possible. Trying to make multiple is sub-optimal.

[light laurel]

Well I’m not the one making it. I like both 4 and 6 and I can’t choose just one, so I’m just suggesting

[foggy pagoda]

Could make a single design that implements elements from both

[light laurel]

Yeah

It’s up to Francipling though

[green maple]

my preference would go to 4 but 6 is also very good like the others have said

I like some elements from 5 as well

the bigger shoulders and the efervon "heart" on the chest plate, idk how else to describe it

cool concepts either way Francipling

[cedar mango]

Oh thank you 🙏

I just woke up earlier so I didn't see there were further discussion about the pieces

[green maple]

i have a question btw. Is the part I have in the center of the face now allowed or would that be considered too similar to an irl skull?

[cedar mango]

So far, most people I've asked were more inclined towards 4,5, parts of 6, the shoulders from 7 and some liked the 1st option (while I also like the spiking, I fear it is too similar to the already existing armor that the Scaldra Flayer wears)

[cedar mango]

Damn, it looks really cool

[green maple]

I personally love the shoulders from nr 4

[green maple]

thank you!

[cedar mango]

I didn't see much of a skull until you pointed it out so I think you're safe

[green maple]

are those armor pieces also your first ever tennogen piece?

[cedar mango]

Sort of

[green maple]

okay good to know, thanks!

[cedar mango]

This is a joint effort with a friend of mine for a Uni assignment

[green maple]

oh sick!

[green maple]

this was a uni assignment for me earlier this year

[cedar mango]

We both like Warframe, and this is something that will require concept art and practice over 3d modeling (and texturing) programs. So far we're also making a Warframe skin, besides the armor, and we also wished to do a few more things if we had the time

[cedar mango]

And that's the other thing that I forgot to mention earlier, we're trying to complete the project on a deadline (Beginning of June)

[cedar mango]

Oh damn

🔥

[green maple]

have u guys done a lot of 3d before?

[green maple]

should def be very doable! What kind of skin do u guys wanna make?

[cedar mango]

uh

It's a Nokko corpus skin

We also had the idea of an Uriel Sentient skin but then we saw the Dyau'vulyst entry a few days after lol

I'm already setting myself up for the fact that 3d is gonna be a nightmare tho

[celest nest]

That doesn't look like skull

[green maple]

yeah I also had an idea for a uriel skin at first lol

wanted to take it a bit easier with my first ever tennogen piece tho so that's why I'm just doing a helmet

[green maple]

you've got a pen tablet for pc? I assume so bc of the armor concept. I recommend just giving sculpting in blender a try by making some fairly simple models first. We got excercises in our sculpting class to just sculpt whatever we could think of, but limit ourselves to just 1 hour max to work on it

It's gonna be a struggle at first, but if you keep going you'll be able to make some really cool stuff in a fraction of the time that it would have taken you originally

[green maple]

okido, thanks!

[cedar mango]

Damn, tysm for the advice 🙏

[green maple]

I'm sure there's way more experienced people than me in this server but if you've got more questions about the whole 3d pipeline, lmk!

always down to help out

[edgy lotus]

I wouldnt say it looks too much like a skull personally

also the sculpt looks absolutely incredible so far ^_^

[green maple]

ayyy thank you!!

[lyric abyss]

cool. what does this do with tennogen though?

[shell timber]

like maybe they will add a new warframe in tennogen

[lyric abyss]

that has nothing to do with tenogen. its for cosmetics

[shell timber]

oooh well i didnt know how else to show the devs my idea so i just posted it in the most likly spot that they will see it

[rough saddle]

DE doesn't look at tennogen discussion very often unless it involves resolving technical issues with tennogen resources. You have a better chance tagging them on Twitter or Bluesky. Or just share this on reddit. That's a popular hub for sharing warframe ideas.

[shell timber]

ah ok

[eager quail]

https://forums.warframe.com/forum/89-fan-concepts/

[light laurel]

If you do get a tennogen skin picked up, do you get it in-game for free or do you still have to purchase it with platinum?

[steady furnace]

you get it for free BUT u must know that the tennogen are purchasable via plats only via consoles and Mobile, on pc it's via steam wallet

and thus, tennogen bought on console are NOT getting into the PC if u have cross save

[light laurel]

I know that

In fact it’s the 1 reason I’m trying to get the newest Xbox. I’m not losing access to everything I have 😭

[light laurel]

I have several tennogen ideas, and I plan to draw them out as concept art to the best of my ability

One is an Entrati Skin for Wisp, with a “veiled nun” theme for the helmet

Another is a Voruna Scaldra Skin which felt fitting

And probably my favourite but fairly difficult idea, a Scaldra skin for Jade, with her chest orb being full of Evfervon

A much more simple idea I had was a Valkyrie Scaldra Skin based on the Scaldra Flayers

[rough saddle]

Back with another update. I got some feedback from other artists which led to me going back and re-working the sculpt. The face is the most noticeable change. Now I should be able to move on to roughness and specular.

As how it was last time, I am open to feedback.

[light laurel]

I truly love it and I don’t want to postpone its creation at all, it looks perfect to me. I checked the old one and saw you changed the eye shape, I like it!

[rough saddle]

As cool as this looks, original warframe concepts do not fall under the tennogen umbrella. This is better suited for #fan-art or here:
https://forums.warframe.com/forum/89-fan-concepts/

[drifting smelt]

Noted

[left wolf]

Paintbrush Follie idea. I like the idea itself but not sure this execution works, kinda feel too sharp and out of character... am I thinking too much? really need input on this

[celest nest]

I am not sure what this is. Is it a helmet?

If it is, It seems a little clashing with her aesthetic

[left wolf]

Yes it's helmet. the aesthetic mismatch is what I felt out of character I guess.

[left wolf]

I'll leave it there and explore more fitting style, thank you for the feedback

[celest nest]

Don't be discouraged if you are!

[left wolf]

nah I just now realized design is working with a lot of constraints

at this point I have to throw anything I can think of and see if sticks but I'll figure out at some point

Realizing something unaware of is the best part of the feedback

[celest nest]

I'd personally take a few shots of a characters and do a bunch of shadow silhouettes on top until I figure out the best

And then try to incorporate some unique details into the shape later as secondary shapes

[rough saddle]

Every idea deserves the right to be put onto a canvas before making a proper judgement. Never know what actually works until you actually see it.

I went through at least 5 different, full body iterations of Jade's skin before settling on the current one.

[zenith flax]

Oooohhh I really like it- It probably wouldn't take much tweaking to fit her style more, just some shape tweaking- Maybe soften the chin geometry/change the two prongs there to stick out less?
The rest I love- The impression of a brush shape, and of painter's palettes forming an impression of hair/a bun

[spark sierra]

Need this skin yesterday #tennogen-showcase-your-content message

[random stirrup]

Helloo guys, how to submit glyph in warframe?

[lyric abyss]

you dont.

[random stirrup]

what do you mean, you can't submit glyph? is it choosen by the DEV itself?

[rough saddle]

Correct. Glyphs are not apart of tennogen. Most glyphs are either from twitch streamers or are commissioned by DE themselves.

[obtuse hull]

Which is weird considering there is a Tennogen pack.

But that is older.

[random stirrup]

thankyouu for the answer, i will post my old 2019 drawing on fanart then :'u

[zenith flax]

Yeaa, the only fan glyphs nowadays are selected by DE, submitted by streamers/youtubers, or if you make a clan, you can upload your own logo which can be used as an emblem, or sigil, but not an actual glyph. (I REALLY wish DE would add clan/alliance glyphs, for profiles and railjacks)

[echo skiff]

Tennogen means that a player made it right?

Like the syandana repala

[ivory radish]

yes

[eager quail]

Not the place for this. You've been directed to correct platform, please use that.

[rough saddle]

Back with another update. Materials are all set for now. Though, I've been advised that my sculpt could use a bit more detailing. So I'm going to be taking a few trips into Kuva Fortress taking some screenshots and then spending the rest of the week on that. Cheers.

[karmic osprey]

I have two questions for two very different subjects, and I'm not really expecting anyone would have an answer for the second question.

I want to try to make a tennogen weapon, but what platform would I use for it?
I want to print a Sevagoth Prime figure to put on my shelf, is there anywhere that DE has that model publicly available?

[slim wadi]

Re: printing
The only publicly accessible files are the lowpoly models for tennogen. You can print these if you really want to but they are not meant for that and will look very chunky.

Re: tennogen weapon
If you mean sculpting/modeling program by "platform", then my first recommendation would be Blender. It does have a learning curve but it's a free software with decent sculpting tools.
The other program some people in here use is ZBrush, which is much more robust then blender but it's not free.
I've also been hearing good thing about Nomad for modelling with a free software but I can't speak for it from experience.

[cedar mango]

Hey folks! We have another round of Leg items if you wanna share your opinions

Again, any feedback is greatly appreciated 🙏

[sick zenith]

Yall, we need a skyrim themed skin for Stynax!

[light laurel]

Not allowed.

[sick zenith]

Oh? Actually

[rough saddle]

You can't create tennogen based on previously existing IP's. DE wants all skins to keep in-universe (and probably avoid copyrights).

[sick zenith]

So they wouldn't even let medieval type dealio?

[rough saddle]

Medieval in general is fine (though you'd probably have to stylize it quite a bit). But if the specific goal is to directly reference Skyrim, that's an automatic rejection from DE.

[zenith flax]

^ Yea, the inspiration would have to be significantly abstracted. The Blade of the Lotus series would be a really cool fit for Styanax, though- I wonder what BeastBuster is working on, these days

[glossy garden]

Xaku needs love

[glossy garden]

Ok bro it's true he lowkey lacks skins

[rough saddle]

You are welcome to try and remedy that issue 👍

[glossy garden]

Alr lol

[celest nest]

(also it's kinda discouraging making skins for either frames that are 24/7 invis, or become a stick)

[dusty tapir]

Aren't there toggles to make the skins more visible?

[glossy garden]

Yeah corporeal form stays

[amber oyster]

Lol by all means give it a shot, Xaku is extremely time consuming to make skins for.

[hollow jackal]

Is that the same issue with qorvex?

Or is it because his plates are difficult to work on?

[amber oyster]

Probably

[celest nest]

It is impossible to make Qorvex into non-Qorvex, so nobody wants to make a skin for him

Except for helmets

Frames with exremely complex and specific geometry are incredibly limiting in terms of imagination

[jagged wigeon]

The same is true for Caliban I take it, with him being the Sentient frame

[onyx cipher]

I just thought of some types of skins that could be made for the main weapons, which are large in size, like the "Trunma," "Reconifex," "Komorex," etc.

So, I thought it would be cool to make weapon skins in the shape of a cross, a bit like the "Punisher" in "Trigun" or like the machine gun from "Gundam Prometheus" in "Gundam W."

[rough saddle]

I do not believe guns are permitted for tennogen. Only melee weapons (though I'm open to be corrected on that).

[onyx cipher]

It seems to me that it has been done, but very few times, but I don't know if they have updated a rule regarding the creation of a firearm skin...

[rough saddle]

I am not aware of what the circumstances for those skins were, but I'm willing to bet those were special exceptions (like the signas). There is no documentation for guns in the tennogen art guide. If the skin type is not listed, chances are it's not generally accepted.

[celest nest]

Events and previously discontinued tennogen slots.

[onyx cipher]

That seems a bit of a shame, but oh well. In that case, I'll wait for news about a new rule regarding firearms; otherwise, I'll drop my suggestion.

[rapid thicket]

Iirc gun skins were discontinued for tennogen due to them being too specific to the gun models as opposed to melee weapons having broader categories where one skin can be used on many individual weapons due to their more restricted hand positions or sth along those lines

[small scaffold]

That must be a fairly recent change because we got a Tennogen skin for the Arca Plasmor not too long ago.

Yeah, the Arcosolium Arca Plasmor Skin came with the Isleweaver run.

[zenith flax]

It was a very recent change, I believe with The Old Peace? Or around that time

[solid pulsar]

Correct, as of November 2025 new Landing Craft Skins and Gun Skins are no longer accepted.

"Landing Craft Skins and Gun Skins have limitations applied to them that affect their popularity — an Arca Plasmor skin can be used on only one weapon, where Melee Skins can be used on an entire melee type, etc.. TennoGen submissions take a significant time investment for both the artists and our internal team."

Melee skin submissions are still an option! 🙂 Along with armor, helmets, WF skins, Syandanas, Operator and Drifter facial accessories (eyes, ears, masks)

[light laurel]

Imagine my disappointment when I learned that the entrati arca plasmor skin can’t be used with the tenet arcs plasmor..

[onyx cipher]

I can understand, goodbye to my idea...

[lyric abyss]

that may be a bug

[light laurel]

I hope it gets fixed soon

[hollow jackal]

When doing tennogen for nokko do I need to alter his weight paint for his helmet and mushroom caps on his body when done sculpting? Or I don’t have to? Cause I want to have his new helmet to be similar to his regular mushroom helmet.

[sturdy plume]

Does anyone have Yareli tennogen perchance....

[valid pine]

Fairly certain DE does the rigging and physics for everything, we just submit the mesh and textures.

[hollow jackal]

Ohh I see so just submit mesh and textures, and add details on what we want for it ?

[valid pine]

I have been told by other artists you can include a text file with how you want things rigged or animated

[hollow jackal]

Oh cool ^^

[valid pine]

But I personally don't have anything they've accepted so I'm not 100% sure lol

[left wolf]

Sometimes patchnote writes tweaked Tennogen physics based on artist's feedback so they listen if the artists have a say on implementation

[solid pulsar]

This is true! We can't always honor every request if it the idea is not technically possible, or incompatible with the way we make games. But a readme.txt is also apprecaited.

If you reach the phase where you and DE are going back and forth with change requests and file updates, I'd also recommend flagging your 'readme' rig request in the Private Steam Workshop comments :]

☝️ For awareness to all creators :]

[hollow jackal]

I see! Good to know!

[hollow jackal]

My WIP for Nokko's Gamma Helm. I'm currently trying to figure out how I want to set up the emissions and trying to follow the idea of Gamma berry mushroom looks for the mouth pieces

[cedar mango]

I went back to sketch some more ideas, you can probably tell which ones I liked the most doing

Opinions, feedback, anything really is valuable 🙏

[sick zenith]

Yall I cant draw but ima make an attempt to get my point across for a limbo skin.... im drawing a open button down limbo skin showing abs and making him have his hat with a straw in his mouth, fingerless gloves and and some tight jeans. Be prepared for a stick figure but he'll be there

[coarse steppe]

Hi everyone. First time here, I am a concept and 3d artist and I was wanting to upload something for tennogen but the time and life never let me do it.
Years ago I made some concepts and now I have the sculpt basically finished for an operator set and I have some questions

How often they release items? I know they just released a few with shadowgrapher, but how many times a year they do it and how many items?

Items uploaded before a release stay in tennogen to be voted again or they just empty all?

[reef needle]

I often consider how people who need glasses see warframes

Sometimes I just look at warframe skins and cross my eyes

really just digest those shapes

[hollow jackal]

I messed up my nokko helm to the point it has too much vertices and it started having weird distortions on the and on the cap when i tried to reduce it a little bit, it made it worse by increasing the distortion for the faces.

[valid pine]

This is why you make copies/backups of the model and file. Blender night have some time stamped auto saves you can go back to though

It looks like you've just moved a bunch of vertices too far with sculpting tools or creased it too much and they're overlapping. The smooth tool with max strength might be able to fix it but you'll have to redo that area after smoothing it all out

[uneven quarry]

Should rework mesa heirloom for concentration of twitch tos

[hollow jackal]

I do have a back up and ahh good idea then I’ll do that. Was trying to figure out what caused it to end up like that but ending up frying my thoughts😓

[light laurel]

I like 1!

[fiery spindle]

you people who dare touch blender and dont get confused scare me

and also gas mask nokko is peak

[hollow jackal]

That’s my secret captain.. I’m always confused 😂😂😭

I had to like use a lot of reference images and made a side to top drawing then try to mimic that gas mask lol

[fiery spindle]

i feel like his alt helmet would be a better base tho

or something without the mushroom cap

[hollow jackal]

For sure one of whatever helm that will be made will be a good fit yea, for me I’m just sticking with both 😛

[rough saddle]

It is important to note that DE favors helmets with unique silhouettes to them.

[hollow jackal]

That’s true, that’s why gotta be creative with what you can come up with ^^

[small fern]

I have a cool idea for a tennogen skin for xaku

[sick zenith]

Does anyone have resources or courses to help me learn Blender?

[rough saddle]

There is the ever popular "donut tutorial" by Blender Guru on Youtube. Alternatively, there is also Blender Secrets on YouTube as well.

[hollow jackal]

I gotta ask but… how do I use the tennogen blender resource? I see it gives me 3 options of objects and shows me the color channels but I’m not sure what to do with that part in particular 😅

[celest nest]

You just import it into addons, enable, and it works for export/rgb customization

[harsh root]

Getting closer to a final pass for the skin and cloth bits

[hollow jackal]

Weird it wouldn’t let me do that, instead it just opens up a new blender window

[native mirage]

Ngl. I'm suprised no one has made a KISS inspired Temple Skin yet

Would love it based off of Starchild

[celest nest]

People so rarely remember KISS these days

[fiery spindle]

If only you could still upload signias because this would go perfect with one