tennogen-creation-discussion

[amber rose]

ok yea that's what ive been doing too

inconvenient tho

[arctic parcel]

Haha yes but its work 😂, im not sure if its really necessary to upload the model to there this way, and think its made just to help you organise the nessesry things that you gonna upload for the workshop or something, and i think you can just select the paff with your model and textures in the upload page

[amber rose]

i see ty im new to this lol

was just messing around with the tool to see what it's like

[lyric abyss]

this has nothing to do with tennogen

[eager quail]

Tennogen is player-made skins. This needs to go to fan concepts on the forums.

[little wing]

yall have good examples of this because I am struggling the warframe im working on uses cloth

I could probably change it to like the ruber with a the accent metall out line, I guess?

[celest nest]

You decided to make a Sentient Yareli? Man

[slim wadi]

what frame are you working on? the term "uses cloth" could mean a lot of things.
do you mean it has parts with active cloth physics? (aka yareli?)
do you mean the base model mostly has fabric-like textures?
or perhaps just lots of cloth-like shapes?

[celest nest]

That's like, going immediately into quantum theory class on the first day of uni

[slim wadi]

i mean... yeah lol

[celest nest]

You honestly picked one of THE most complex frames, with THE most unfitting for Sentient mesh, as your first frame, that is also breaking half of Sentient rules for materials and forms

But

You have a cheat code

You can make her into an Amalgam, in which case - you can also use Corpus materials for her skirt.

[little wing]

yeahhh

so basically I told someone with no experience with Warframe to pick what I do the first time

And she chose

Yareli

Sentinel

primarily taking inspiration from war

and to top it all off

CatGirl

Fortunatly

i think im heading in the right direction

BUT

I still need to figure out what im doing with the cloth and/or turning it into

the worst part is I don't have yareili for reference yet

[little wing]

also thanks for bringing this up because this basialy answers my material questions

BUT I HAVE A DREAM

THAT I WILL MAKE THIS WORK AND FOR IT TO BE UP TO THE TENNO GEN STANDARD TO BE ACCEPTED INTO THE GAME

SO I CAN HAVE A BALLER RESUME PIECE

So i have a plan

[celest nest]

Is it a cunning plan

[little wing]

possibly

but it hinges on what the hell they are talking about when it comes to this

[celest nest]

tint3, the accent

[little wing]

this is actually the forth tint

unless the tints start at 0

[celest nest]

internally it's tint0-tint3

ANyway, see Caliban?

[little wing]

ah okay thx

[celest nest]

This silver metal is tint3. Fuly metallic, fully robotic metal implanted into sentient during growth period

[little wing]

https://tenor.com/view/test-testing-testing123-gif-21562252

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

question

am i currelty looking at only 3 tints

i am noticing tint 0 and 1 but i dont see the rubber tint 2

oh wait i do

alright so here is my plan

---

tint 0

will be the bone plating and will remain relatively consistent with what I have

tint 1

will be act as tubed metallic muscle that connects all the bone colors together

so in this picture it will be all the black

tint 2 will be the organic rubber that replaces the fabric, seen in the light blue

tint 3 will be the accent metallic colors as seen with the purple, but I will have to make it more sparse and only use it as metallic highlights

possibly adding it to the edge of the fabrics as an outline

and finaly the energy seen here

it will be formed to resemble a turtle neck dress with cuffs and legings

and the light patterns with inform the movement of tint 1 areas

[celest nest]

Here's what I think.

I think it's a good piece for portfolio and general personal development

[little wing]

but probably not a true tenno gen submission

[celest nest]

But, I think your combination theme, faction and frame, plus the fact that it's your first work, will make it an INCREDIBLY difficult task to not just pass into the game, but even finish

It would be daunting for me, and I've been in program in since 2017

[little wing]

damnnnn

i was

im not gonna say

[little wing]

agreed

ill still finish it by the end of the month but yeah

[celest nest]

I'm not saying you should stop, but if your aim is to specifically develop works that would enter the game, I think you should start with a simpler skin that you can actually finish, so you can go through the pipeline and figure out your workflow, and get accustomed to warframe style

Like, my first work was a helmet

[little wing]

true, but I chose Yarelli because she has, essentially nothing when it comes to fashion in game or even in the work shop

[cloud raft]

This isn't super relevant, but seeing how seasoned tennogen creators offer genuine help and advice to people trying to get into it always makes me a little happier to be part of this community

[little wing]

eh, pretty relevant

[celest nest]

That's true, she has almost nothing, but it's usually a good indicator that "frame has something ain't right going with it"

Like for example Grendel has one skin. Made by me

Wanna know why?

His mesh is so messy, I had to edit half of it to even be able to sculpt on the damned thing.

[little wing]

i meann

[cloud raft]

That's the...moloch(?) Skin, innit?

[little wing]

just look at him

[celest nest]

Yes

[little wing]

Toooooo

[celest nest]

Same for Revenant. Frames with more parts have less skins because they're more challenging to work on

[cloud raft]

Such a fantastic skin too, I need to buy it when I have the chance again

[celest nest]

Yareli has a TON of parts, and ALL of them are physics enabled

[little wing]

what faction does this count as? infested?

[celest nest]

Infested

Almost all of my works are infested, and if you see something infested, probably made by me

[cloud raft]

I'm assuming Grendel's "hard part" is the mouth separation

[celest nest]

Anyway, I don't want to discourage you from working on tennogen, but I also want to kinda warn you that yareli might burn you out. Now I will go and sleep for twenty trilion years. Good night chat.

[celest nest]

Mouth, but also his legs, specifically where they connect, and the fact that they're semi-asymmetric.

And his arm cuffs are also separate parts

[little wing]

before you go

[celest nest]

And same goes for pipes

[little wing]

you know how there are two emission colors for a warframe

and how they blend

[celest nest]

I think I know what you gonna ask about.

[little wing]

is it possible to separate them?

[cloud raft]

I didn't realize there was that much too him, I always just assumed his belly/mouth were what gave people the most trouble. Thanks for that insight, seriously. Lol

[little wing]

to have two different colors of emissions on a skin

[celest nest]

You'll have to make a scrolling emissive that has to be in a R+G+B+A format, with red channel being the emissive map itself, and green dictating the texture flowing through it.

Two different colors?

[little wing]

yeah

[celest nest]

Let me think.

[little wing]

because i noticed that the flower necklace has the ability to have two diffrent colors of flowers

[celest nest]

Yes, technicaly possible, but discouraged by DE. They like emissives to gradient blend, they don't like two differnt colors on same model

You'll basically have eeehmmm

You do it via gradient. If we take those flowers for example, the center is 100 opacity emissive, and edges are like 20%, which will force red and green channels to mix differently

[little wing]

its all coming together

[celest nest]

One sec, I'll show how it looks

Here's garuda I made, I made her emissive 1 blue and emissive 2 pink

[little wing]

its

possible

[celest nest]

The center of her "eye" is very aggressive emissive on emissive map, and edges are feathered at like 30% opacity. ALlows both two colors in emissives and also they blend nicely. You could in theory also make hard separation by not blending them, but just making one emissive hard 100% and another hard 20% and they'll work, but DE disaproves

[little wing]

kinda, I assume that since the textures are mirrors having one side be colored differently is kinda impossible

[celest nest]

Well that depends on texture, if you make textures asymmetric, you can realistically put anything anywhere.

But, again, if you have for example, one green "eye" on right side, and one "red" eye on left - DE disapproves. That's not intention of scrolling emissive, you're kinda going to be bending the rules a litte

[little wing]

well true but currently the warframe im working on the textures are automatically mirrored due to the uvs

[celest nest]

Yeah, but I meant your helmet

[little wing]

ohhhhhhhhh

[celest nest]

But I never tried making straight up two different emissives color, so I don't know how.... good of a result or reception you'll get

[little wing]

ehh if I get far enough along ill try it

but yeah thanks your help and getting me on the right track

[celest nest]

Alright, good night.

[little wing]

👍

[little wing]

progress for color blocking and body sculpting

[hallow stone]

When mithra mirage on ios

[prisma shale]

Are you going to keep asking that question until it's released

[lapis oracle]

I was thinking in terms of new skins/designs for things like Archwings (which… when is the last time we got one of those?)

Kinduva blend of all the things 😁

[lyric abyss]

those are not allowed for tennogen

[lapis oracle]

Big sad. That would be sooooo cool to see some community design concepts and have them brought into the game

[rotund nova]

you could say that about literally anything in the game that can be customized

[unborn ermine]

what frame you guys think is the best to learn everything for the first time?

or is it more based on the vision?

[celest nest]

I think the most obvious answer would be Excalibur, but i actually think that someone like Loki would be better specifically for learning, because it

1. has more interesting mesh with more unique elements and protrusions, ready for exploitation
2. has asymmetric elements, namely his leg and shoulder, which will teach you a lot about how to work with asymmetric meshes when just starting.

However, specifically easiest is no doubt Excalibur.

[unborn ermine]

What about not primes? I think they need some love

[rotund nova]

What about them?

[south tapir]

out of curiosity, how difficult would it be to make a Saryn tennogen skin?

[celest nest]

Not very difficult. She has pretty simple mesh

[south tapir]

I thought she’d be difficult due to all the tissue on her leg and shoulders
then again I’m not well versed in this stuff lol

[celest nest]

Depends on skin you're making, but she's oneof the simplest frames

[south tapir]

I see

[amber rose]

the jade 'Read Me.txt' says a maximum of 2 pairs of wings allowed for helmets, but do you think there's any chance they'd allow 3 if the third pair doesn't move?

[lyric abyss]

no

[foggy pagoda]

Maybe you could stylize it or use feathers instead of entire wings

[celest nest]

Wings in that case specifically refers to animated wings, so I'd guess yes, as long as they're part of the helmet that doesn't move

[alpine raptor]

mmmmm, excal

[celest nest]

He's ready, I'm just finishing his armor set

[alpine raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/stunned-wow-omg-lego-batman-lego-batman-movie-gif-7647770

[little wing]

@celest nest Now I know why you never touched Yareli, what in the actual hell is this color distribution

IM CRYING BRO WHY ALL OF THIS CONNECTED TO THE SAME COLOR 😭

[foggy pagoda]

You can change the textures and colors when you make TennoGen skins

[little wing]

WHY ARE SHOLDERS ONE SINGLE COLOR

WHY ARE THE ACENTS SO SPARSE

Dude it feels like i just found an abused puppy that gets no love

this is all the motivation I need to get this girl a new fit

[foggy pagoda]

You have my support

[little wing]

She needs it more than me

and this is her only other skin man

thats not insult to injury

that's pulling out the damn life support

[foggy pagoda]

I'd love to see more Yareli cosmetics
On a similar note I'm excited for her Prime hehe

[little wing]

Agreed I, PRAY, they dont mess it up

also

@foggy pagoda since i have you here

need feedback

currently have this for her skin im working on

it's supposed to be a sentient skin but im not sure how well its capturing that

forgot her back piece

opinions?

[foggy pagoda]

I'm no TennoGen or 3D expert, so you should take my input with a grain of salt
But I think it's interesting and I wanna see how you continue with it

If you want ideas, I have a few of those too

[little wing]

naw mainly have two i can't decide on

becasue i was thinking on adding a bunch of lights but im having a hard time mixing both elements in

but ill try

even if i have to manuly paint the normals

[humble axle]

Dear lovely Tennogen artists please use tags to categorize skins for certain warframes. It's a shame that lots of work can't be seen either by typing in name or tag. It's 2025 let's do better.

[thick root]

Just go ingame and type the warframe name in the market

[little wing]

I think he means in the steam workshop so people can review it

i think

legs are done

but im having a hard time figuring out how to texture the rubber

any tips?

im thinking add the details and smooth it out a bunch

[humble axle]

This is for viewing items in works not just purchasing

[sour latch]

Hey guys idk if this is possible but is there any way to design helmets for the Gemini skins I’d love it if you could put different helmets on them like pilots from titanfall

[celest nest]

Not possible.

[sour latch]

Why not:(

[rotund nova]

because it just isn't

[dusty tapir]

How the skins work

And other factors

[sour latch]

Dang

[celest nest]

Nobody can make skins for hex, they're unique.

[rotund nova]

when it comes to TennoGen limitations you gotta just accept them

[sour latch]

Ahhhhh. Could you theoretically use it like a signa if you were able to design them?

Just like a hypothetical

[rotund nova]

technically anything is possible

but there's no way DE would accept that into the game

[sour latch]

hmm fair just cuz I love the skins I’m just not a fan of their faces being out

[rotund nova]

TennoGen signas would have to follow rules that won't allow that

[celest nest]

Hypotheticallly literally anything is possible, but practically, not only we are not allowed to make anything for geminis skins specifficialy, DE doesn't even allow to put normal helmets on them on top of that.

[sour latch]

Got it I guess I just have to hope de thinks of doing this because it would be rly cool

[celest nest]

I.e. that's something that DE will have to do themselves, we as tennogen artists cannot affect them in any way.

You can however bug them to force them to wear normal helmets. I don't remember how to do it tho

[sour latch]

Yes I kinda figured just wanted to se what it guys opinions were on it

[sour latch]

Intrigueing

[frosty fiber]

wait we can make signas?

[celest nest]

No

[alpine raptor]

excalibur infested

[celest nest]

Jesus CHrist, okay, I will upload him on 20th

I can't even get annoyed here because I specifically asked people to remind me to finish my projects.

[cloud raft]

I admire his persistence. 😂

[prisma shale]

Players read the rules challenge: impossible

[dusty tapir]

Finish your work/j

[celest nest]

Thank you father, I will.

[deft crest]

New tennogen Mirage skin when

[hardy vault]

The real question is when we'll we get a nice skin for the Torid? Make it happen lads. I can't stand how it looks.

[lyric abyss]

we wont. it isnt allowed for tennogen

[gleaming vine]

woah lots of peak tennogen designs.

[novel vector]

Has there ever been a tennogen skin based on pop culture that successfully released?
I have an idea for an Infested Garuda skin vaguely based on Heian Era Sukuna, I've wanted to get into tennogen for a while and also wanted to do a Sukuna cosplay for a while but it's difficult... so might as well do it myself haha 😅
Though is it more unlikely to get accepted if it's based on something that popular?

[ivory radish]

vague references are fine, but the designs aren't meant to be solely based on something. you can take certain design elements, warframe-fy them, and try to incorporate, but nothing of direct likeness would nor should be attainable

like best example that comes to mind answering your question is Octavia Diva - the helmet and singular chest armor piece were definitely inspired by, if not an abstract reference to Hatsune Miku, but other than that the skin is its own thing and has no other elements correlating with Miku's design

[rotund nova]

Hypothetically you can use whatever you want for inspiration. What matters is the execution and many pop culture things don't lend themselves well enough to the Warframe art style so most TennoGen creators just don't usually make skins like that and when they do they often don't get accepted unless heavy revisions are made.

[rotund nova]

Octavia Diva is a really good point. The Miku influence is obvious but it's much more beyond that visual reference.

[stone elk]

Hello there @celest nest
As per your own requests for a reminder. It be 20th of the month (21st for me) so you know what time it is

[rotund nova]

Do you even know what channel you're in?

[eager quail]

Unrelated to tennogen, please check channel names, descriptions and pins.

[alpine raptor]

Did you finish

[celest nest]

Due to unforseen circumstances in the market and terrible drought that has stricken the local trout population, I had to run it by the board of directors and unfortunately we had to come to an agreement that one more week is necessary NOT BECAUSE I FORGOT, but to iron out kinks and imperfections.

(and also because all of my skins are rendered on a pedestal, and I didn't sculpt a pedestal for Excalibur yet, which is literally the only reason why I haven't uploaded him yet)

I know I have a problem with self discipline.

[rotund nova]

I feel that

[rotund nova]

I am looking for 3D modeler to collaborate with, I have concept art skills, so we can create some unique models for TennoGen

[lone laurel]

new skin for Mag or Voruna when?
i need a valid reason aside rankups to farm for them please

[south tapir]

I assume Voruna is difficult to do a skin for

[zenith flax]

There are some pretty amazing tennogens for Voruna up on the workshop right now, and a couple for Mag, so hopefully just a matter of time and maybe some iteration

[ivory radish]

might want to put some of your concepts on display for a modeler to be interested enough first, just saying

[thick root]

Yup

[dusty tapir]

mags got plenty of nice skins

Imo

[foggy pagoda]

I really wanna revisit my old Ostron Mag skin idea
But I need to practice drawing more lol

[amber rose]

think they'll allow these wings?

[haughty rune]

jade? in which case, probably, tho you can always try contacting support

[amber rose]

yup jade! i doubt they'll answer tennogen creation questions through support cause it's probably just for helping ppl with the game itself. would the forums be a good place to ask for feedback?

my problem is the jade 'Read Me.txt' says maximum two pairs of wings and im trying to emulate three but don't know whether or not im pushing it too far

[rotund nova]

The two pairs of wings is an animation limitation. As long as any extra wings are static models, you're good to go.

[rotund nova]

(At least it wouldn't make much sense to put a limitation like that into place if it wasn't due to technical limitations)

[alpine raptor]

Ill check again next week

[celest nest]

I'll make sure trout population is replenished.

[rotund nova]

lmao

it's next week, did you even do anything yet @celest nest?

slacker smh my head

[golden hinge]

I wish we have a nikana skin like this 👀

[alpine raptor]

@celest nest rise and shine

[brave anvil]

Hey, not sure exactly how to go about this

But I’m really interested in commissioning a tennogen creator for a very particular thing. Is anyone offering that type of service?

[mystic flint]

Keep in mind that only 2 pairs of wings are allowed

[gleaming vine]

I see 2 pair of wings so far, with the yellow and blue outline being the same wing in open and closed states?

[amber rose]

open state here. the earlier pictures were hard to read sry im still in messy sketch phase 😢

worried abt the top pair (in white) being counted as 2 pairs

[rotund nova]

Why? One pair is two wings. Two pairs is four wings.

And if they're part of the same mesh it doesn't matter

[zenith flax]

It's probably a limitation on the number of animated parts, not the literal number of wings visible in the design

[rotund nova]

correct

[amber rose]

ok ty! idk rigging and animation so i wasn't sure

[wise sedge]

Absolutely dumb question but are there any settings for blender's sculpting tools for tennogen creation?

Cause i know that zbrush has spesific brushes for sculpting the details

[proven nacelle]

Hoping we get some new TennoGen with this update, but ngl the slow burn they’ve been doing (1 skin, 3 other things) is… honestly not that great of a rollout system and does more harm than good in the long run

Like I get why they’re doing it, but it’s lowkey frustrating at times

[rotund nova]

Rebb said they're gonna show four new skins during dev hour

[proven nacelle]

… You have my attention.

Hopefully, one of those is for poor Voruna

[jaunty oxide]

hey guys how do your final sculpts look before retopology, I've been wondering how much polish is too much or how detailed should it be

this is mine atm but it feels kinda muddy

[celest nest]

To be honest i think it's looking pretty good as is

I'd send it into texturing as is.

[jaunty oxide]

changed it slightly

[white root]

I think is this better it's looks good

[novel latch]

Yeah, I like the other horn more, too.

[jaunty oxide]

I have more variations but Im lost which one to pick

[rotund nova]

the best one, duh

[novel latch]

#6 for me.

[amber rose]

i like 1 and 6

3 too uuggh decisions r hard

[queen current]

2 is solid

[stone elk]

2 or 6 imo

[paper jolt]

I like 3 and 6 :3

nnnno actually I like all of em

[jaunty oxide]

6 it is

[thick root]

Look at Nikita leshakovs work on Art Station, he posts zbrush renders on his work

[tired root]

New stynax Tenno gen skin is fire

[prisma shale]

Now idk that much about tennogen guidelines but didn't that one Wisp skin with horns had to be cut off because they were too big or got in the way. What makes the upcoming stayanax skin any different with that big crest on his head? I'm not complaining I'm more confused and curious than anything

[rotund nova]

no one understood that but DE tbh

[prisma shale]

Dang :/

[celest nest]

Horns that stick to the side, have higher chance of blocking player camera. My Garuda helmet had to had it's horns cut by half too, otherwise they were blocking ADS camera.

[prisma shale]

Makes since. Still a bummer though :(

[modest thicket]

I wonder when they will accept any work on Yareli? It's a pity of course that I can't buy Tennogen, but if the ban in the game goes away in the future, I would buy it.

[jaunty oxide]

damn I can imagine doing whole retopo and reskining again

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-with-butterfly-on-nose-dog-with-butterfly-butterfly-gif-13282441872748349107

[celest nest]

It's not that bad. It's not necessary to retopo everything if you're asked to change something, even large, you just remodel that part, unwrap it, size the UV island appropriately, and rebake it once and it's ready.

[potent stream]

Hey everyone! Nice to be here! 🙂 I've recently thinking that I'd join to Tennogen, and make something for starters. I was thinking that an alternate Helmet for Frost is a good start. As far as my skills go I'm familiar with art and actually I'm working as a freelance 2D animator and motion designer, but I've been learning Blender and have "some" experience with modelling and and texturing as well.
My hand drawing skills are sort of rusty I admit but as far as concept art goes here is one design that I've settled with. I'd like to move to an actual blockout in 3D but first it would be nice if you guys could rate the design and give me some feedback.

[rotund nova]

hey damn that's actually a solid Frost helmet design out of the bat

this feels very classic TennoGen to me

[potent stream]

Hey thank you very much! 🙂 I' was aiming for classic feel in fact. For starters I just want to make something simple but decent.

[potent stream]

Well, I've moved to the blockout phase and it's been shaping up. I was trying to go for the nice silhoutte and make it like very ceremonial and "Samurai-esque" feel. I'm still up for any feedback at this point before I move to sculpting.

[hearty locust]

I am in fact of no expert to Tennogen ,but this looks absolutely amazing! I really like the whole samurai design yk yk

[alpine raptor]

@celest nest hi, how are you doing

Hopefully well rested

[celest nest]

Yeah, he's almost done. I just want to ship him with armor set.

I can upload him even now, but there's no chance DE will accepting it immediately so I'm taking a bit of time

[prisma shale]

I don't think I'll never not think this is funny. You have a dedicated fan reminding you about your current works.

[celest nest]

I cannot even defend myself here because I know I'm wrong

[cloud raft]

I'm honestly looking forward to it, but I'm also crying over the fact I don't have an infested Lavos 😂😂

[atomic spade]

Ah so thats the legendary John Warframe who is whipping Punished Vulbjorn into work

[trail vale]

any one, just Idea but, Heavy melee skin as gitar

[lyric abyss]

there is no way that will be excepted

[trail vale]

not copy of ths its just to show what I mean a gitar as melee weapon,

[lyric abyss]

it goes against the guidlines still

[trail vale]

exusme how? you get tample whit gitar as weapon, protocol skins, why not warframe crazy style gitar whit blades or somthing?

[lyric abyss]

those are not allowed tellogen styles

[celest nest]

Why does it go against guidelines?

[lyric abyss]

its not an allowed faction

[celest nest]

It could be stylized to be tenno.

[trail vale]

it not have to be 1999 Xd

[celest nest]

I don't think darko wants direct copy, more of an axe guitar

[trail vale]

ye

photo was just as reverenc of what I mean to help get intention of it. it always can be look like ths or somtingh. acutualy ths culd work as orokin rock gitar XD

but it's just an idea of it.

[alpine raptor]

I'm his number 1 fan/supporter/addict

If he ever goes missing I'm going seal team 6

[frosty fiber]

100% could see a solaris/ventkid design working here

[rotund nova]

yeah outright saying a guitar melee is against the rules just shows how little understanding for the rules there actually is

for chris's sake, we got a polearm skin with a mic on it for a Hatsune Miku inspired Octavia skin

if that stuff is possible, a guitar melee is possible too

something that looks like the Ventkids built for a skeg session should definitely fit the rules

[desert veldt]

Kullervo needs to have more skins

[rotund nova]

👌 ok

[trail vale]

any way im workin on art conept for 1 weapon. for Shodgun lovers but not sure if use Entrati style or sculda for just conept

[rotund nova]

isn't the only shotgun you can make skins for the Arca Plasmor?

[trail vale]

hmm....I dont say skin.

[trail vale]

but I think Corinth will be best base for me

[rotund nova]

this is a TennoGen channel, I'm always going to assume that people here are talking about skins. If you're working on a general weapon concept, that's cool. Don't really understand why you had to ping me for that though.

[trail vale]

sorryy....I ust wantet to say and I just get use to evry one ping if want to que tell you somthing. Any way I just want to put some pump action shotguns idea or somthing like ths as skin to work in warframe. Like you have Tigris that is double barrel looking like modern but whit warframe toch.

[rotund nova]

So do you want to make a shotgun TennoGen skin or not? Because I'm getting mixed signals here.

[trail vale]

I just see what it become befor eveny put it her. I dont rylli know.

[hoary heron]

I love the steampunk theme coming with gyre deluxe man it’s awesome and I think a lot of people will agree

[lyric abyss]

ok, but what does this have to do with tennogen?

[prisma shale]

We love to see it

[compact moss]

Hey, I'm pretty new to tennogen, but not to 3d modelling and texturing, so this might sound a little silly, but how does one start to make a Warframe Skin?
Do you draw the texture idea on first then hard bake in the normals and tiling? Do you subdivide the models then sculpt and flatten? I'm a little lost on what people do to start the skinning process
Like obviously I understand that making armour/helmets/etc is creating a model and then retoloplogising down or low-polying over the model, but how do I go about doing the skins?

tl;dr: Understanding modelling, how start skinning

[fading niche]

https://www.warframe.com/steamworkshop/texturing-guide

Does this help answer your questions?

[radiant wolf]

Hello, Does anyone have any tips for getting to know Zbrush? I'm used to hard surface modeling in Maya and have done relatively little digital sculpture but would like to try getting used to the workflow, and what better way to do so then by trying a crack at doing some Warframe art!

[compact moss]

no not really. I'm looking for knowledge on how people make the normals and such for warframe skins
like what programs and methods do you guys use and recommend

[acoustic swallow]

Im currently new to this also. Never touched any 3d programs, just grabbed blender today and downloaded a few warframe files/examples I wanted to start with from the official site. Cant even open the OBJ files on blender but I’ll get it done in time.

[compact moss]

you need to select file -> import then chose the filetype you want to import

[acoustic swallow]

Thats exactly what I did. Problem is, none of those zip files are popping up at all. Do I have to take the obj files out? Im not sure cuz even when I try to open them with blender from my files directly nothing happens

Files vs in blender(just took a pic on the phone)

[compact moss]

you need to unzip the files first

[acoustic swallow]

Figured for a sec but I haven’t unzipped anything since college lol. Thx

[amber rose]

i can't speak from personal experience but in the hydroxate tutorials on youtube he subdivides and sculpts, saying u can just bake it when ur done

https://youtu.be/OsTulZF0HFE?list=PLR3SGizvoHb9zRbROrhuE9vrkZ_bevSEb&t=1189 starts body at 19:50

prob only need to flatten stuff if it looks weird as a texture on the model cause it deviated too much from the original shape

[acoustic swallow]

This is literally like the only guide vid on youtube lol. Very helpful but Its pretty old and lengthy so hopefully an official one comes out any day now

[amber rose]

it's also not finished lol but i do think tutorials abt ur software of choice could be sufficient since all this stuff is just 3d modelling and texturing

[compact moss]

yes that was what I was looking for
Subdivision isn't the most elegant solution but if it works then I'll do it

[languid heath]

Anyone knows why submission option is not showing up in clan dojo showcase

[rotund nova]

that is unrelated to TennoGen and doesn't belong here

[acoustic swallow]

Another question. Well 2. For anyone whose done animated helmets/warframes with animated features like nidus, how do you set those animations or even access them? The default helmet file seems to just exist as one mesh but Im not sure if they want us to break the moving parts ourselves like the body is or not. With that said, how do I separate/ungroup helmets and extra parts like grendel’s ball from the rest of the group to avoid altering the body on accident(using blender)

[potent stream]

Im.no expert in that one but as far as I know you just make the "concept" of the animation and if it get accepted then DE has got their riggers and animators who finalize everything.

[potent stream]

I don't mean to spam this channel, sorry. i f you have Blender related questions , like how you separate mesh or anything related modelling and UV mapping feel free to pm me.

[acoustic swallow]

Noted, and If it just needs a concept I can manage. I have also found some tutorials from a youtube channel that probably would’ve answered my questions by now so I wont spam u either

[jaunty oxide]

ik most preferred the other helmet but im trying some mockups for the other

kinda like it

[paper jolt]

heck yea

[frosty fiber]

i mean, is there any rule that says you can't do both?

[rotund nova]

wym "both"?

[jaunty oxide]

he meant two variations of the helmet

[rotund nova]

if they're distinct enough you can just upload them as two separate helmets

probably gotta be named differently tho

[desert veldt]

Kullervo needs new skins

[rotund nova]

👌 ok

[hasty thicket]

I have an idea for a Qorvex skin, It makes him mostly metallic and gives of a Sauron vibe but still working on it

[prisma shale]

👀

[hasty thicket]

Never really got around to creating it but the idea has been stuck in the back of my mind, so far I have this.

[prisma shale]

Oh, that won't work with the current rules :( but it's super cool nonetheless

[hasty thicket]

Wdym?

[foggy pagoda]

Can't change the body mesh for TennoGen

This'll work for a Deluxe concept though

[hasty thicket]

Nice

[rotund nova]

what

[alpine raptor]

@celest nest

Hows the development going

[celest nest]

Terrible, because I got Pokemon Violet. I now have a level 54 jolly tera-dragon gabite and no work has been done.

(His name is Submarine)

[cloud raft]

At least he's honest?

[celest nest]

I know I have issues.

[prisma shale]

Oh shush. You where having fun

[celest nest]

You know what, screw it. I will upload Excalibur let's say, this Thursday. And if I don't, I don't know, ban me from the server for like a month or something.

[misty sentinel]

Hear me out Kullevro skin

[alpine raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-conquest-conquests-arrival-invincible-conquest-gif-10571445904837642120

You were given time. You were given more leeway than most, and yet I find this skin unprepared for the arrival of our tennogen buyers.

[cloud raft]

I'll thump you in the forehead if it's not ready then, deal? 😂

[proven nacelle]

tbh it looks a lot like Kaz’s TennoGen helmet… or seems visually similar in silhouette

[jaunty oxide]

I unfortunately don't know who they are

[proven nacelle]

Syncraisis; weapons team lead

[jaunty oxide]

Ah

[proven nacelle]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/File:SWRPolyExcaliburArturiusHelmet.png

[jaunty oxide]

I'd argue with that one, I say it resembles morded helm than this

Mine and morded i mean

But it's normal to find it common since they all are fit into the same character

[proven nacelle]

True!

[hallow stone]

Good yall bringed that spinning wheel syandana to mobile but when mirage tennogen huh

[lyric abyss]

"we" are not DE

[hallow stone]

When tho

[lyric abyss]

only DE knows

[acoustic swallow]

Curious, how do people make the scrolling infested looking emissive energy? Or is it on their website somewhere

like the type nidus has on his arm bubbles. Plus that transparency to see through them

[night steppe]

if its anything like working in unity, height maps for non uniform darkness and a panning set low, possibly multiple and transparency is the alpha channel form black to white.

side note, we now have two different tail ephemera, could we get a re-look at the upper back rule for syandana or maybe be able to have access to some type of tennogen for the ephemera slot?

[acoustic swallow]

That would be a complete game changer. I always wanted a universal front waistcloth like what misery has or nidus phryke to put on a nyx or something. Thanks for the insight too. Im entirely new to 3d so all this will help when I get a good grasp on blender and the terminology

[static wind]

so are tennogen creators able to make rifle and pistol skins like they can melee skins or is that not allowed?

[rotund nova]

creators are incredibly limited when it comes to weapon skins for non-melees. For once only a literal hand full of weapons are even allowed to have skins and the skins you can make, can't be remodels, only retextures (because of reload animations). Iirc there aren't even any secondaries you can make skins for, only a few primaries (Gorgon, Arca Plasmor, Opticor, Amprex and Sybaris).

[cloud raft]

I think vectis is another one

[static wind]

i was gonna ask about reload animations next so thank you for clearing that up

[rotund nova]

haven't seen Vectis in the taglist in the workshop and don't remember ever seeing a Vectis skin either

[cloud raft]

It's been a minute since I've looked so it's possible I'm remembering wrong, can't be fked to look right now😂

[rotund nova]

I checked and Vectis doesn't seem to be a skin category

[static wind]

don't really see a lot of vectis players either to be fair

[rich sun]

Okay so I'm just gonna make a suggestion....
I know I can probably make my own sketch of the Idea however I'm still trying to figure out how to draw it, but guys...
Kullervo needs some love. I think he'd look so good with a Jester inspired Helmet. I'm talking a full Jester's Hat, maybe a clown nose, something like that.

I mean yeah we have Mirage and she's cool and all but, there's just something about Kullervo that screams "I can rock a Clown Nose".

I'll probably sketch my own idea of what that would look like later, but still.

[jagged dirge]

correct me if I’m wrong but if i remember right vectis was like the first weapon to get a community made skin it was sold for platinum and that later evolved into what is now tennogen but I don’t think it’s gotten a skin since

[rotund nova]

Yeah but technically speaking it's a completely different thing and shouldn't be taken into account when talking about TennoGen

[alpine raptor]

@celest nest

Hope you are enjoying the new pokemon game and that the projects you are working on are up to your standards

[celest nest]

I beat it, doing the DLC now. SKin is done, I'm just doing renders now. Here's an example. I think I should upload it in a couple of days, just gotta do a couple of colorschemes and it's that's about it

[devout magnet]

Hellooo...I did something in the past few days. I'm still thinking if its worth working on the model :P

(I also have the original design I had in mind)

I was wondering if it could be a good way to start doing 3D models, or is tennogen for experts/people with a lot of experience?

[amber oyster]

Give it a go! Tennogen is how I got into 3D and I’m self taught

[devout magnet]

ill try, thanks :)

[ivory imp]

its a very good start!

[acoustic swallow]

What do all the texture names mean on a unzipped warframe model? And how do we go about putting them all together on the model when we modify them?

[amber rose]

https://www.warframe.com/steamworkshop/texturing-guide

don't understand ur second question tho

[acoustic swallow]

Like how theres the tint mask and another for roughness. How do you go about putting them both on top of the frames model? Im on blender and it only lets me view one texture on that model at a time. If I apply a different one itd swap the previous one out instead of keeping them both

If u cant answer dw the link is enough

[amber rose]

im new to blender so i've just been going off of this person's node setup so far: https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1319361-texture-node-groups-for-blender/

[acoustic swallow]

YA THAT’ll WORK! Thanks SO MUCH. I should scroll the forums more they probably answered more questions I have now ages ago

[novel latch]

<@&778745217037238293> bot

[quaint sand]

Someone should make a qorvex skin fr

[rotund nova]

ok 👌

[devout magnet]

i've been working on it, gotta say Im scared as hell but im having so much fun. Feedback?

[amber oyster]

Block out is looking good! Make sure you’ve got a solid attachment spike

[alpine raptor]

No way

[celest nest]

Yeah, his default is gonna be this

[alpine raptor]

Fire af

Must buy

[celest nest]

Btw, picture is 4k, but discord compresses it, so if you wanna see it better, you gotta zoom in when opening it

[hallow stone]

When mirage tennogen in ios

@DE

[dusty tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/amazed-biggjah-glow-glowing-wow-gif-14839014

If this doesn't get added I will be very upset

[celest nest]

It only took me three years.

[slim wadi]

you say that like it was up in the workshop already :p

[celest nest]

No, it wasn't, it's just took me several years to come back to work.

[slim wadi]

I think we're all glad you eventually did...!
I was poking fun at you, yeah - but I know its hard to pick up projects you've left on the sidebench for too long, and I'm genuinely rooting for this fella to make it in :)

[celest nest]

Hopefully now I got out of this bedrot spiral.

[devout magnet]

I love it :,)

[celest nest]

Now I need to release the other skins that are 99% and not slide into the swamp again.

[quaint sand]

Make a qorvex skin and my life is yours

[rotund nova]

I'm not a TennoGen creator

requesting skins for specific frames is just kinda pointless with how TennoGen people flow

[quaint sand]

Sad times

But you never know unless you try

[rotund nova]

You kinda just gotta wait until someone starts working on a skin for a frame you like and when that happens your best shot is to support them as good as you can

[quaint sand]

I pray someone is secretly working ons qorvex skin

[cloud raft]

Need you a swarm of people like John 😂😂

[arctic parcel]

guys, if i make a major rework of a skin i already published, should i remove it and publish again or just update ?

[rotund nova]

update

doesn't matter if it's a big overhaul or just a smaller adjustment

also please put a before and after somewhere, often TennoGen creators don't do that but it's always so interesting to see the development stages when they decide to do some rework stuff

[celest nest]

If you updated a very old skin, I recommend republishing it as new, as it pushes it to the front and allows DE to notice it easier

[arctic parcel]

it was like two months ago so i dont think its that old, so ill just update. thank you )

(i sended it in the showcase channel if you intrested )

[lament dagger]

Hello, were there tennogen sugestions for miniguns?
Couse I would live to have archwing avenger gatling with brrrrt, and maybe smaller one for frame

[rotund nova]

Neither of these are possible

[lament dagger]

Even as a skin or something? Can you tell why?

[rotund nova]

because Archgun TennoGen doesn't exist and only a select few primary weapons are qualified and even then, non-melee weapon TennoGen can only be retextures and you are suggesting something that can only be done with a new model

[polar schooner]

Yo can we get a new Sevagoth skin?

[rotund nova]

ok 👌

[celest nest]

It is verbotten to get new sevagoth skin. It is against UN conventions

[polar schooner]

Nooooo

Then we at least need a voidshell for Sevagoth

[lyric abyss]

they confirmed no new voidshell skins are coming

[polar schooner]

I know but he should give one seeing how he's been in the void for so long

[prisma shale]

🤔

[polar schooner]

?

[steady furnace]

For the moment*

[whole kettle]

anyone know where i can get a nidus 3d model

[novel latch]

For tennogen? Here's the link for the files. https://www.warframe.com/steamworkshop/content-files-and-examples

[acoustic swallow]

I have a fun idea for all warframes to get a skin but its a secret for now

[quaint sand]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-metal-gear-solid-big-boss-ground-zeroes-mgsv-gif-2880818837257777372

Jpoler coming thru to answer my prayers

[acoustic swallow]

One day! Locked🤝

[little bone]

I honestly hope someone makes a styanax skin with a sideways crest. I'm working on my own concept, but I know someone else can do it better.

[eager quail]

Removing unrelated discussion and arguments. Please ping a moderator/dm modmail for such instances in the future.

[half needle]

Sorry

[clever void]

hello all! im working on a primary blockout concept thingy for a chest armour. its gonna be a solaris one with, featuring a rig with 2 spray / oil cans!

its super early on ofc but this is my first time attempting tennogen (its slightly terrifying but fun) so would rather share now and get thoughts on whether the concept or design needs tweaking? it could fall under the 'no pop culture' i guess considering spray cans are a modern day thing

[clever void]

i need to learn how to sculpt and what software to use but since this idea is all hard synthetic or metal surfaces it should be ok?

[acoustic swallow]

Spray cans also do come from solaris in the way of ventkids and graffiti. I obviously have no say in wether its completely acceptable tho but since you have the shape already you might as well use this to practice renders and metallics to feel comfortable. Probably dabble in using similar scratchy or stained metal looks from solaris to sell it

[devout magnet]

I hope that with this screenshots im not going to hurt someone (sorry), but I really have no experience here. Is this topology acceptable? What do I have to work on?

[ivory imp]

this area at the bottom could be better, they prefer even topology

i had crazy topology for the rau syandana and they wanted me to fix it

my original topolgy is on the left, and the right is what the recommended I do

but its a good example of what they are looking for

[devout magnet]

You're the best

[devout magnet]

Ohh I was convinced that if there were some problems with the model they would just straight up reject it

[ivory imp]

they can if they're bad enough i guess

[onyx arch]

The one way to know if the topolgy is bad is to throw a flat brick wall as a texture and see how to texture flows. If the brick wall is cut off or uneven, it become very apparent.

[rocky imp]

Which of these colours look best for these swords default colours? I can't decide. (Or would anyone want to see colours that aren't these?)

(No gold allowed)

[slim wadi]

2 & 1 speaks to me the most, but 5 is quite nice too

[rocky imp]

Another option

This one might be the one, I think

[novel latch]

I like the red and navy blue options.

[mint flicker]

I really like the beige, and I'm biased towards purple- but that gray one is quite nice, too

The navy just doesn't quite call to me as much, sadly

[zenith flax]

Oooo, I love the first option- We don't have much in that sort of color scheme. And it goes together nicely, having two distinct dark tones to set the emissive against, making it pop

[acoustic swallow]

Since Ive just learned how to mirror and have learned zero meaningful texture or modeling tips yet on blender, I wanna know what is the most hype group release I could do between two trios of warframes and two duos in the meantime: atlas, qorvex, temple(rock) or cyte-09, mesa, and lavos(heavy arms). For duos dagath and koumei (destiny duo) or zephyr and hydroid(sky and sea) I have more ideas so feel free to recycle these

Maybe gauss and zephyr actually

[rotund nova]

What?

This is highly confusing to me

[acoustic swallow]

What part specifically

[rotund nova]

what you mean with trios and duos

how this relates to TennoGen

[acoustic swallow]

Trios as in warframe skins

Basically think like a teamup or how some creators released more than one skin at the same time for their themed skins

What trio out of the 2 choices would be most exciting to see and what duo out of the other 2 would be most exciting

[rotund nova]

I've never seen that happening unless you mean thematic skin lines

[acoustic swallow]

Exactly

Think graxx, blade of the lotus but with a twist

Sorta

[rotund nova]

but those are still released one at a time

[acoustic swallow]

Yes but there also sometimes where they are put on the steam workshop together

Some people even do it with armor sets and the warframe they’re “meant” for

[rotund nova]

I think you need to give me an example for when two skins were meant to go together

[acoustic swallow]

Im not home but let me see because im almost certain at least 2 graxx also came to the game in a bundle lol

[rotund nova]

TennoGen bundles are a console only thing. That two or more skins from the same line made it into one bundle is fully coincidental

[acoustic swallow]

I know its often coincidental. Sometimes they are not. Sevagoth skin and his sword skin for example. For my original question Im literally just talking about for the steam workshop. When you put them out, which ones would be good to have displayed together and if they were to make it in the game at the same time, what would you like to see?

[acoustic swallow]

This is one example too

[rotund nova]

This is not what you're describing tho

[acoustic swallow]

It literally is

I just put a name to the theme for why I want specififc frames together or released at the same time

[rotund nova]

I give up

[ivory radish]

you make yourself sound more marketing-centric than design focused, that's the worst kinda mindset for a creative process that can take months for a single work to even be finalized and pushed to the workshop, let alone make it into the game

[ivory radish]

also these were sold in a bundle (console only, PC/Steam sells them only separately for real cash) solely because they were added to the game in the same update, not because they were thematically relevant. it just happened to be very early time for tennogen, when TG cosmetics were sparse, and faven had multiple graxx skins marinating in the workshop, lined up with DE's approval

you as a creator will have practically no influence on whether or not multiple (if any at all) of your submissions will make it to the game in the same update, so consider just focusing on creating one good thing at a time, especially if you lack experience in the process

[acoustic swallow]

The idea isnt to be completely marketing focused. It will take me years to come up with good redesigns for each warframe and understanding all the terms needed to make it all work in 3d. You probably wont even see my name in the workshop until 2032. So believe me, Im taking my time. Im also aware there’s been things in the shop sitting there for years and often I am used to not having accepted designs in other contests anyway. Still, I intend to make one for all Warframes and the lore/general vibe I want for them is already in my head. I simply wanted to know what warframes some of you would like to see in the same skin line together in practically any sense you could think of. I was not saying I could just make it happen because I themed 3 together myself: alot of people wont care. It was supposed to be a fun question to get us talking about who would be fun to see together sporting similar aesthetic and which ones I’d consider as a priority in fixing if they get rejected/need fixing. Regardless of whether they actually get in the game at the same time is not what really matters plus I already know which two I’m actually aiming to make in the game before anything else is done.

[acoustic swallow]

But I appreciate the feedback on my behalf. Bundle or not, I just wanted an answer for what YOU wanted to see personally. Again, Im well aware the quantity of what comes in a update varies and isnt dedicated or decided by some theme I made up. If I couldve made a poll, maybe the question would’ve been easier to answer

[amber rose]

dunno if u'll get an answer to what is most hype here cause ppl without the tennogen role can't see this channel and probably don't know it even exists so possibly a good chunk of the tennogen market that didn't choose that role because they're not a tennogen artist

[amber rose]

(i think) kind of like skin line but since it's only for 2-3 frames they wanna put them on workshop at the same time so rather than being a line it's a batch

[acoustic swallow]

I didn’t think about that I’ll be honest. We pick those roles so early that I forgot about them too. This kind of discussion I was sure wouldn’t go well in #warframe-general and Im pretty comfortable in this channel. Didn’t want so many of my messages taking up this space though but ye

[acoustic swallow]

THIS. ‘Batches’. It was hard to pin it to that because we kept branching into different subjects because we had misunderstandings while I was trying to explain and it somehow got more complicated. Plus I didn’t have the terminology to simplify any of it further until now

[amber rose]

yea i didn't have it on originally so didn't know these channels existed at first lol

[acoustic swallow]

Thats kinda crazy. Some people really dont know this even exists. Thank you for being here anyways

[ivory radish]

you were on the right track with "thematic skin lines", before it immediately diverted into "skin bundles" and "releasing together", hence the misunderstandings

so if it's still about skin lines/batches etc then I can almost confidently say that (in a vacuum) cosmetics for frames with least amount for them available will be somewhat sought after regardless whether in a batch or not
for instance like qorvex/temple or dagath/koumei from your ideas, and to answer your question - my preference would stay with the latter

but a theme alone won't be enough to convince people if the execution isn't up to par, no matter how great the idea sounds, and this isn't the kinda channel where you'd see people discussing pure hypotheticals

and besides all that, trends change, so even the public interest that applies to a frame today might wane heavily in the next two years (many such cases)

[acoustic swallow]

Very true and fair take. At least it’s cleared up now. As far as koumei and dagath they were definitely my go to if I got no answer for that reason and also the models for them looking alot simpler to work with than some others.

[tawny osprey]

anyone know how to get in touch with DE if theres a part missing from a frame's file? Koumei is missing her heels and i said so on the forum but its been weeks with no answer

[amber rose]

u could try submitting a support ticket but that will probably also result in weeks without answers since support is meant for the game itself

maybe try asking on the forums again but create new topic for it so it's easier to spot

the tennogen forums might not get checked often lol

[eager quail]

People can see the tennogen channels without the role, but you do need it to talk here. An attempt to stop random and unrelated questions from being asked here.
People not knowing of these channels is down to discord hiding channels if you haven't followed their category.

[eager quail]

No answer on a forum post doesn't mean it hasn't been seen. Just likely it's not high on the priority list.

[ivory imp]

I would also periodically check the files to see if it got updated but didn’t have any note of being updated

Or continue the skin without it, and when you upload the skin you can make a note of it

Not having a small part of the mesh won’t affect your ability to work on the rest in the meantime

[tawny osprey]

true enough

back to the grind

still concepting but heres a little preview

[waxen widget]

hi

[lyric abyss]

hi?

[hasty thicket]

Has anyone made a Sentient Jade skin yet?

[rotund nova]

no

[coarse edge]

is there anyone here who makes weapon tennogen skins primarily that would be willing to work with me on a concept?

[rotund nova]

"weapon" is a very broad term in the context of TennoGen. What type of weapon are you talking about?

[rotund nova]

*and he was never heard from again*

[acoustic swallow]

Just curious does anyone know if the entrati theme category includes the duviri aesthetic too? Or is it just the necraloid/coin like look?

[foggy pagoda]

I don't think Duviri counts

[acoustic swallow]

I figured. Welp, that saves me some time. Ty💚

[proven nacelle]

Not at this time, no.

There's always a possibility that Duviri might become a sub-faction the way Ventkids and Quills are to Solaris and Ostron, respectively. However slight.

[foggy pagoda]

I personally think Duviri is its own thing instead of a sub-faction
But I still do wanna see Duviri get greenlighted for TennoGen someday. It's one of my favorite aesthetics

[acoustic swallow]

Dang that cuts deep

[idle hearth]

Here is a suggestion for a Grendel tennogen skin or most likely helmet. Angler fish

[pallid estuary]

hi! how are you beautyfull people? i want to try to make tennogen skins, im using blender, i started yesterday in the night, someone can tell me tips for make skins tennogen? sorry if i speak weird, i speak spanish

[pallid estuary]

i dont know what i can add, the warframe style its very detailed, btw, i make a heart in the back of the head because khora its similar to corazón, heart in spanish

[acoustic swallow]

Idk how much you know but looking up the texture abbreviations (_n,_e, etc.)helps understand alot and even just looking at them. I don’t have many useful tips to help actually do tennogen but as someone who also is getting familiar and is on blender to start 3d I figured I’d at least say that

Also quick blender tutorials on youtube will help you navigate but theres also a video that helped me get started easier. Don’t think I can link tho

[pallid estuary]

okay, ty! im trying my best for do this model 😄

[pallid estuary]

what do you think beautyfull people of the internet?

[spring sonnet]

i love it

[rotund nova]

to be really honest it just looks really busy right now. At the moment all those lines and spikes read more like clutter that's only there to have something in that place but without any purpose.

[pallid estuary]

ty, i will try to make an other with more sense 💜

[glossy echo]

is there anyone that does tennogen around? I had some ideas but I can't wrap my head around 3d modeling, so wanted to see if someone could bring the ideas to life.

[rotund nova]

you can join the TennoGen server and ask the people there

I'll send you an invite if you want

[glossy echo]

yes please

[acoustic swallow]

Thats a thing?

[rotund nova]

yuh

[acoustic swallow]

Good to know. Thx

[rotund nova]

you wanna join?

[acoustic swallow]

Ya

[mint flicker]

May I get an invite, too?

[frigid harbor]

Hi, I'm a bit new to tennogen creation and I'm currently reading through the documents. I have two questions atm: They said to choose from Tenno, Grineer, Corpus, and Infested, but that post is quite old and I've seen tennogen skins using other factions like the Sentient. I wanted to do a Scaldra tennogen skin, but since I have not seen any Scaldra tennogen I'm not sure if that's allowed atm. My other question is that I've seen many helmets using a 2x1 UV ratio (2048x1024), is that the standard? and if so should I just put half the helmet in the UV map?

[rotund nova]

Scaldra is currently not an accepted faction style and the second thing idk

also what document are you reading because the online guide for sure has all the accepted factions listed

[frigid harbor]

The first one https://www.warframe.com/es/steamworkshop/basic-art-guide

[rotund nova]

how about you click on "faction style guide"

it's the first thing in the list on the left

[frigid harbor]

Oh damn you're right, I thought this was the Faction Style Guide section mb

[amber rose]

abt ur second question helmet UVs must be authored at 1024X2048 or 2048x1024 (far as i know the only exception being jade helmets with wings) and u can put only half of something on a map if both its model and textures are symmetrical, but i think it's up to whatever works best when making the islands

maybe take a look at the UVs for inaros's helmet?

[simple kayak]

I have an idea for a frame and I need a little help with deciding abilities and it’s look so So I have his main big ability already done or third his name will be evol I can’t figure out the last two abilities. I don’t have any art right now not for a bit, but eventually it will get done, but does anybody have any ideas? The frames ability is basically growing and changing it shape of its own body and being able to control all of its muscleso I’ve played with the idea of buffing allies health, or giving them a new form of armor that increases mobility. That’s what I got so far

[amber rose]

tennogen is for creating cosmetics. it would be better to post on https://forums.warframe.com/forum/89-fan-concepts/ or some other place like that

[simple kayak]

Oh I didn’t see that I’m sorry also thank you

[proven nacelle]

Finally started sketching out the first pass at a Corpus-themed Cyte-09 skin and yes, it's obviously unfinished lmao. The name I've chosen for my Corpus-themed TennoGen is "Granumite" (Granum + Acolyte) and Cyte's aesthetics is leaning more towards inspiration from the Sisters of Parvos and Parvos himself... they're Corpus, so I suppose they'd count.

The helmet I'm thinking could be derived from something military or law-related, like a British Custodian (Police) hat blended with Corpus aesthetic, idk. Gotta do more research.

[frank zephyr]

Oraxia "Profit-Weaver" This skin was created by ME, its a fusion of the corpus sisters and a raknoid exploiter orb...she makes spiders so i think it fits!

she will walk with slimmed down versions of the raknoid legs, and her spider minions will be reskinned raknoids? or just the coolant jar with legs.

she has coolant jars on her, the are "venom" and also fuel? they inject via her fangs and "powers" her corpus glyphs

I might even create a skin for the predacyte dogs. I think a "corpus Hyena-dog" would be cool, with a vial tank in its back of course!...my predacyte would love a hyena skin!

cant wait to make her in 3D! im practicing on the Titania model until we get access to her .OBJ file

I would love to get some feedback or suggestions! @ me 🙂

corpus font by Botskiz- https://forums.warframe.com/topic/40158-corpus-proto-corporation-serif-font/

[prisma shale]

Is this a personal project oooorrrr

[rotund nova]

these are never not personal projects, wym

[prisma shale]

I can't tell if they are just showing off their creation or they are trying to making it into the game

[rotund nova]

what

this is a TennoGen channel, chances are pretty high people are posting their work here because they want to make a TennoGen skin

[prisma shale]

I know, it's just some of the things on the concept won't be allowed I think

[rotund nova]

that's a different pair of shoes

but you're not wrong

a lot of this does not work in TennoGen

[prisma shale]

That's what I was initially trying to say. I'll need to be more clear next time

My mistake

[slim wadi]

Im not sure if there is a point in saying that for what's clearly an early stage ideation sketch
generally speaking the design ideas are not out of the realm of possibility

[lyric abyss]

there is too much to the mesh that would need to be altered

[night steppe]

A bit would need reworking but the other bit of it seems like normal mapping would be good work arounds

[rotund nova]

companion skins, remodels of abilty related objects (her spiders), drastic mesh changes in the body. Do I need to go on?

[slim wadi]

Don't ping me.
Ping them and give them the feedback they asked for >__>

[rotund nova]

then don't reply to me if you don't want me to reply back????

[obtuse hull]

Difference between pinging someone and responding to someone.

[eager quail]

Cleaning up the channel.
Please remain polite when engaging in discussion. If you feel a user is being ill-mannered, ping the moderator role or dm the modmail bot. Let's not air grieves here.

[solid pulsar]

Hello artists!

**We've made a small update to the TennoGen tool. **
Some overdue additions here (THANK YOU for continuing to submit awesome skins for Qorvex, Styanax, Voruna etc even without proper submission tags)

06/03/2025 - Build ID 18075770 Uploader

• Added tags for Citrine, Cyte-09, Dagath, Koumei, Kullervo, Qorvex, Styanax, Temple, Voruna, and Jade to the submissions check list.
• Made backend changes that will make future updates easier to publish.

While we are not necessarily planning a total revamp of the tool, our team resolved an issue that will now let us update more frequently if / when necessary. That said, if you have any big QOL requests, please feel free to share them here: https://forums.warframe.com/topic/552052-steam-workshop-warframe-tennogen-tool/

[eager quail]

Please do not ping staff members.

[lyric abyss]

what does this do with tennogen?

[tender depot]

Ah sorry, mistake channel.

[simple kayak]

so not tenno gen but im waning to design a heirloom skin for styinax and nidus and a deluxe for nidus and xaku .for xaku im thinking a stained glass theme like a church but cant figure out what the underside will look like or his head and for the heirlooms im thinking for sty a tribal theme with a pelt i think its called like a warrior skirt but again dont know about the head and that might be too close too his deluxe and with nidus im thinking of a knight look to cover most the body and have some exposed bc thats there thing bit it would be uneven and the growth would look crystal like the arm getting large and semitransparent maybe with some creatures in the smaller crystals and his head being more human like with a skull and cover the upper half of it but idk what programs i can use to make these and get close enough to the games style so any help would be apresiated and anyone who helps will get credit for there part on the final product

[jaunty oxide]

anyone else having issues importing models after the update?

[prisma shale]

🤦‍♂️

[proven nacelle]

I think perhaps if you asked in the general channel, you might find some help on your design there?

[rotund nova]

what

[slim wadi]

<@&778745217037238293>
Looks like some ai generated spam...?
Either way it's not related to the channel topic

[stoic jackal]

Wack

[rich ginkgo]

oop, sorry. already banned em an hour ago just missed the message here

[severe arrow]

I'm also having this issue! I've been searching for solutions but nothing so far ._. I was going to submit a ticket or create a post on the forums but uploading images was giving me issues :/

[jaunty oxide]

hey so i found a solution by reverting the version back

[severe arrow]

How on EARTH do you do that?

[jaunty oxide]

hold on let me do a couple of screenshots

[severe arrow]

thank you so so so much 🙏🏽

[severe arrow]

you're a godsend, tyvm

[barren siren]

Yo whoever made the techno suite of tennogen skins I love that stuff keep it coming!

Like to see more frames and maybe weapons

[severe berry]

general question, is coding required to make tennogen stuff?

[rotund nova]

no

[severe berry]

good to know

[rotund nova]

this is something I've heard a bunch of times but it would be news to me that you need any coding knowledge just to make a 3D model even if it has animated parts

[severe berry]

genuinely surprised that there isn't a donut attachment yet (if you get why i bring up a donut, congrats, hello fellow blender user)

[untold nest]

oi

yo

[solid pulsar]

Oraxia files are now available on the Steam Workshop!

From a TennoGen designer perspective, there is nothing unusual or new about the way Oraxia works.

Oraxia's materials were authored in a more traditional PBR style, plus some additional details added with tiling normal maps that are not provided in the ZIP file. It’s on you as the creator to add these details yourself without any reference files.

https://www.warframe.com/steamworkshop/content-files-and-examples

Can't wait to see what you all spin up for Oraxia!

[solar crow]

Cyte-09 skin, yay! I feel like I'd play him more if he looked better, dont really fw the base. ( I know he is invisible most of the mission but still )

Too bad you can't make a skin for the sniper rifle to go along side it.

[proven nacelle]

I’d have to check, but I might design a skin for general sniper rifles to go with it.

[solar crow]

What do you guys use for textures? Is there any good free program? I'd use Blender for modelling. I've been thinking a bit about giving tennogen another shot but... idk. I think my laptop should be fine for it now.

I know some things about moddeling, but nothing about textures yet, other then that there needs to be a couple of layers, which will define how the texture looks and interacts with light and stuff inside the game or whatnot.

[rotund nova]

you can do that for personal reasons but since sniper skins aren't covered by TennoGen you might want to focus effort on the skin unless you meant making as skin for his exalted weapon which I don't know the technicalities of

[slim wadi]

I would assume it works the same way as Protea's artillery gun? So looking at protea tennogen (I wanna say there's at least one? Sorry I'm a little tired) could be a good starting point for designing a skin for Cyte's exalted weapon.
But yeah maybe check with some official sources before hard committing to anything.

[proven nacelle]

Good to know! Thanks, all 💕

[acoustic swallow]

Im still lost on textures too. Partially on modeling as well since Im primarily a 2d illustrator. Nothing seems to click for me yet to actually make/use them but I did find some links I can dm you @solar crow

[vague arrow]

does anyone happen to have an invite to the new tennogen server? the one im currently is inactive afaik

[rotund nova]

comin right up

[heady dew]

Is there a dedicated tennogen server besides this one?

[rotund nova]

yeah

you want in?

[heady dew]

I'd love to!

[jovial elk]

Do you guys think we could possibly get Weapon Skins that change the look of a Weapon's Incarnon Form? For example: Me and a group of friends were discussing the possibility of an Onos Skin that had a unique Incarnon Form appearance.

-# The skin idea itself will most likely never get in though. It's a little too self indulgent...

[slim wadi]

weapon skins are actually very limited at this point. only a select few exact weapons (so not even the weapon type, just the specific weapon itself) have tennogen enabled as a possibility as far as guns are concerned. (melee is a little less strict)

incarnon forms are not covered by tennogen at present and we have no intel on that getting changed (so it moooost likely wont)

but if you want to indluge, go ahead! you can still toss out the idea onto the forums or socmed - you never know

[jovial elk]

Was about to whip up a mock-up of the designs I had in mind. One second.

[slim wadi]

if its for the incarnon, this is probably not the best channel for it ;)
I'd suggest #fan-art - you are welcome to ping me there if you'd like to show

[jovial elk]

Alright

[eager idol]

Hey guys
Can someone please design a Dragon looking Chroma Deluxe skin?

[lyric abyss]

deluxe skins are not tennogen

[rich lotus]

With the advent of oraxia's lower arm armor, are tennogen arm pieces allowed to be hosted on the elbow/forearm?

[slim wadi]

good question...
getting that one item in game in and of itself doesn't change the official guidelines, I'm pretty sure of that. but it maaay allude to them getting more lenient in the future? (tho i find it unlikely)
if so we'll get some official announcement/confirmation, I'm sure.

[austere rapids]

Hello, I wanted to ask a question if anyone could help me.

[ivory radish]

is it related to making tennogen skins, and not general gameplay, account recovery, or tennocon?

[rotund nova]

.

[trail vale]

Question.
1999 is not options for warframe Tennogen like armor parts and stuff like ths, but is avaiable for only Operator parts like hats and face mask yes?

[rotund nova]

yes

at the moment at least

very possible to change in the future

[lyric abyss]

i thought that was a temporary thing?

[rotund nova]

was it?

oh yeah it was

[heady dew]

Hello! Does anyone know if there is any legal reason I wouldn't be able to show my Tennogen submissions in my own personal work-searching portfolio or uploading the model to sites such as Artstation?

[rotund nova]

DE doesn't own your work until it's in the game and then I'm pretty sure they encourage us to put successfully accepted TennoGen into a portfolio if it's beneficial to us and unless you aren't clear about where the Warframe model comes from (if you're making a skin for example) there shouldn't be any issue

[celest nest]

It's a good idea to use your models in your portfolio and there are no legal issues there. DE only buys distribution rights, they're not forming an NDA.

[heady dew]

Ok that sounds good. The piece I have made is a weapon model swap, so both model and texture is made by me. Should I still mention it if the piece is an accepted tennogen item? I mean, I probably would anyway, but I don't wanna get an anybodys bad side here haha. Thanks for answering!

[rotund nova]

why not? it getting officially accepted only proves quality and skill

[heady dew]

Perfect!

[pastel musk]

can anyone help me i wanna get into tennogen but no idea where to start or how to do it

[rotund nova]

have you done 3D modeling before?

[pastel musk]

i have not.... i never gotten around to actually learning how to but i would like it 😄

[celest nest]

If you have zero modelling experience what so ever, it would take you, give or take, about 6-8 month to produce an acceptable skin for Warframe, if you start learning it right this moment.

[pastel musk]

thats fine if im determined enough itll be done XD

which i am this has been something ive been wanting to do for a while but never knew how

[languid heath]

What software do you use for modelling frames to make tennogen

[rotund nova]

most use Blender but only for the helmet, body mesh is off limits

gotta stick to the default

[languid heath]

Ok can you do it in maya too

[rotund nova]

probably idk

[slim wadi]

on paper, sure.
in practice: maya's sculpting features aren't very well established and you will mostly want to work with organic shapes which don't lend themselves very well to hardsurface modelling that Maya specialises in. so while you CAN do it, it's going to be a lot more hassle than necessary.

[rotund nova]

this doesn't belong here

[rotund nova]

<@&778745217037238293> I think something needs to be done

[obtuse hull]

✂️

Rule 4. @spark crater

[rotund nova]

thenks

[woeful quartz]

I have a question. For TennoGen , do I need to create 3D models or are 2D only designs alright too?

[rotund nova]

do you mean retextures?

[slim wadi]

In order to be eligible to getting into the game, you will need to submit a game-ready 3d asset.
Sometimes tennogen projects are a collaboration between 2 artists: one 2d designer and one 3d sculptor. If you create a neat 2d design you may be able to find a 3d artist to do that part with you ((so you don't have to work in 3d))

But at the end of the day, a 3d asset needs to be submitted.

[rotund nova]

however that 3D asset can also be just a retextured default model

[calm root]

I have an idea for new warframe and/or idea for Oraxia outfit

Or Nyx

[slim wadi]

technically yeah!
but i think in the current game of tennogen a simple retexture without any modification to normals or bump/texture-maps simply would not get it. and while none of those things strictly belong under the modeling principle, they both still require knowledge and work in 3d softwares

[rotund nova]

when I said retextures I included all the maps you need but it's true that especially Warframe skins won't make it in if you keep the helmet model the default. Actually the only skin type that can be made without having to model anything are ranged weapons because modelling is just not a thing for them lol

[slim wadi]

ooh yyeeaa i forgot about ranged weaps. good point.

[rotund nova]

tbh I don't miss the days of TennoGen with retextured default helmets

[slim wadi]

I think it's a blessing and a curse.
getting proper alt helemts for skins is really nice yeah. but the current skill-floor also makes it incredibly hard for new artist to pick up tennogen, much less make a name. NOT impossible, mind you.
but it is much harder than it used to be.

[zenith flax]

Some of the default mesh helmet tennogens look really good though- There's one for Nyx in the workshop now that I'm sad to see struggling.

[rotund nova]

Tenebra?

I'm gonna assume yes because I don't see any other skins on the Workshop that use her default helmet mesh

I don't want to sound harsh but to me the skin kinda just looks ok, in many places too close to the default skin even

I can see why DE wouldn't accept it

like some details are straight up copied over from default Nyx

one of the more obvious details is the emissive texture is basically the same (minus a few small additions)

like just the fact that these cables are copied over is grounds enough for the skin to not get accepted

[worthy crane]

For Syandanas is it ok to have more than 1 or 2 pegs? I have 4 wedge shaped pegs along the upper spine.

[rotund nova]

what do you need this many pegs for? What does the Syandana look like?

[solid pulsar]

Hello! In light of an issue with uploading exclusive to the latest build of the TennoGen tool, we have reverted the app to the previous version. We will update the app when we can (TennoCon is less than a week away!). For now, the previous version will let you upload, even if it does not have every Warframe tag. Rest assured you can upload your Warframe submissions even if their tags aren't available; just use the tag "Excalibur" and your submission will still be seen.

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1462512-psa-tennogen-tool-revert-to-correct-uploading-issue/

[worthy crane]

This is the current iteration. I put 4 pegs because of frames like Qorvax who have gaps. Going for a Solaris Cooling system with animated piston radiators, exhaust and hopefully some armor to go with. Currently shaping it to resemble the faction. Also I'm just a dojo decorator who's attempting to evolve into Tennogen.

[rotund nova]

Ok I certainly did not expect a design like that but I get why you're asking about the pegs now. Unfortunately a Syandana with this concept is so new that I can't relate it to anything existing so I guess you need to wait for an answer from the pros.

[harsh root]

If I had to guess it'd probably be fine? Just based on some of the ingame Syandanas and how large their mounting areas look to be.

[hollow acorn]

do you guys know what happend to the guy who made the graxx skins?

is he still active?

[slim wadi]

(Faven)
retired from tennogen, to my knowledge, tho i have no intel on what they're up to these days.

[rotund nova]

Faven has stopped making TennoGen

he's now working professionally in 3D modelling

[slim wadi]

good for him

[rotund nova]

yup

[hollow acorn]

good for him

[rotund nova]

<@&778745217037238293>

[hollow acorn]

what about the guy to made the kuva skins for Ivara and Mirage and so on?

is he still doing tennogen?

[ivory radish]

erneix still makes tennogen, his last submission was a heavy blade skin just earlier this month

[hollow acorn]

Ah sick

Now the question is….. will this be coming into the game any time soon……

I beg

[rotund nova]

no?

that's a prime concept from when Ivara Prime wasn't out yet and Prime as a style isn't available for TennoGen

[hollow acorn]

Yes no shit, but it would be cool to see it as a skin

[rotund nova]

read carefully what I wrote again

even if this was turned into a skin, it would not be accepted

[hollow acorn]

Why? Just put it as a different name

Change it a bit

[rotund nova]

most details here are changes to the body mesh anyway and if those are removed to comply with TennoGen rules the skin likely won't look anything like this anymore

[plucky tusk]

How does submitting tennogen work

[rotund nova]

you make your skin, put it in the TennoGen tool you got on Steam and from there you upload it to the Steam workshop where DE will take a look at your submission and give feedback if needed

[hollow acorn]

ah bummer

to bad we didn't get this as her prime

dam jellyfish

[steady furnace]

you can create a skin than can look "prime-ish" but you must promote it as a skin that has not the purpose to be an alt prime skin you see ? and in this case, you must revisit the skin in it's entirety

[zenith flax]

the mesh changes would require a deluxe skin, and in that case, the admission is much more selective

[hollow acorn]

I'll leave as well

[trail vale]

dead space warframe?

[eager quail]

Removing arguments. Please don't be rude to each other.

[celest nest]

Someone has an interesting name for an infested Oraxia skin?

[half birch]

Gibelli /Gibellula? It's a genus of parastic fungi specifically targeting arachnids

[celest nest]

By Gibella and the Nine Divines!

[rotund nova]

Oraxia Gibella has a ring to it

also googling Gibella isn't bringing up anything problematic, mostly random product names, so should be safe to use too

honestly @celest nest, I'd go with it

[celest nest]

It is intersting, but I'd like to hear other options out too

[novel latch]

Depends on what you're basing it off of, I guess? The demon orb weaver spiders are kind of infested colors/shapes, so maybe Macracantha?

Spoilers for people not fond of the little critters.

Which, it seems Oraxia is probably based off of these already.

[celest nest]

I actually changed her design to be based on these littel guys more now

So Iguess a name fitting an orb weaver would fit too

[novel latch]

Looks really good!

[celest nest]

Thanks, probably fits her more than her previous bunny helmet

Not sure about the antenna tho. Technically spiders don't have them.

[novel latch]

Could make them secondary horns, tentacles or even little legs since it's an infested frame.

Like have them be chelicerae or pedipalps.

[celest nest]

toxicognats

word of the week, seventeen weeks in a row

[night steppe]

kinda surprised to have not seen some silksong skin for oraxia yet

[lyric abyss]

because you cant change the frames mesh, and it also would be copyright infringement

[zenith flax]

OOO that's so sick, that works really well-
Maybe for "antenna" occupying that space could curve upwards? something between the first spider picture, and the original tall horns, like...
very sketchy representation of the thought:

[solar crow]

Anything for Equinox? I recently picked her up again, thought she'd be at worse state, but she isnt as bad as I thought. There isnt anything for her on the steam workshop at the moment.
Althought I get that making a skin for her is like 3 times the work... 😐

[celest nest]

If you're referring to me, I already made a skin for Equinox

[cloud raft]

I've spent so much time in this chat just lurking that it's gotten to a point that I look for your skins when we get drops lol

[blazing ice]

Question. What modeling software is recommended for tennogen? Blender, Maya, etc?

[rotund nova]

software for hard surface modeling is not recommended

[celest nest]

Zbrush mainly

Marmoset for rendering, Substance Painter for texturing

ANd microplastics in my brain have told me how to do composing in Blender.

[slim wadi]

Zbrush, if you can afford it, Blender if you can't.

[fluid star]

Is it hard at all to make a tennogen skin for a Warframe? I'm thinking of doing it myself

[rotund nova]

that depends entirely on you

you have to remember that you're making a product following certain industry standards

if it helps putting it into perspective: when you work on TennoGen you can imagine it as working at DE in the art department with the exception that you don't have to follow deadlines or fear consequences when you don't succeed

[slim wadi]

Yeah it largely depends on your expertise and familiarity with 3d workflow for games.
If you know what you're doing (with the mesh, uvs, textures etc.) then it's just a matter of getting the hang for the visual language of Warframe - which might still take a few tries.

If you've never done 3d before, or only casually, you might have a bumpy ride. You can still 100% get it done, don't get wrong!
But you'll need to research and learn a lot of things on the fly.

And that's saying nothing of the chances of it getting accepted, or just how long that might take, so keep that in mind too

[fluid star]

Alrighty, thank you 🙏 my friend gave me the idea of making Nezha a new skin so I've been considering on making it lol
I've only done digital art so I definitely have to learn how to 3D model lol

[thick root]

Not gonna sugarcoat it. With no experience in 3d, tennogen is gonna be really hard. The art style alone is hard to pull off. Expect multiple attempts. I've lost count of how many people have tried and given up.

Something like the image above vulbjorn just posted is the kind of quality you wanna aim for

[fluid star]

Ooh gotcha

[barren siren]

Is it a rule that you can only make skins for the base frames and not primes?

[foggy pagoda]

Yas
In addition have to use the character's unchanged body model
Except the head/helmet, you can change that one

[barren siren]

Ah ok that's a bummer. Well my poor boy Wukong is doomed then. Sorry buddy

Does Master Noob still make skins?

[nocturne tusk]

would anyone be willing to be a mentor on making Tennogen ive started trying to make an alt helm but feel like im lost in the wilderness dispite having done 3d modelling in the past im self taught and don't have much idea on how a proffessional workflow should be

[amber rose]

hydroxate has an old tutorial series on yt if it's of any help to u

[nocturne tusk]

ive seen his series it helped a little

[hollow adder]

hey, weird question, are sigils a thing in tennogen ? xd

[rotund nova]

no

[full owl]

Quick question, what does the poly count tend get to when people are doing fine details on helmets?

Also, is there a tennogen specific discord server?

[rotund nova]

actually, there is

[rotund nova]

I can send you an invite link if you'd like

[full owl]

That would be absolutely excellent! :]

[woeful quartz]

Ah I seeeeeeeeeee

[solar crow]

Could i get it too? Might try again

[nocturne tusk]

hey everyone looking for some advice ive just finished making the shape of my first tennogen and have made the low poly and normal map making sure it was below 5000 faces but im curious what the best way to work on the diffuse map would be is it better to do it in an external program or would it be easier for me to vertex paint inside my modelling software and bake to image ? thanks for any help offered

[full owl]

if you had to guess what warframe this was for, who would it be?

[nocturne tusk]

Voruna

[full owl]

Ayy im also doing my first tennogen! Theres a couple pricey programs that you can do diffuse maps on, but theres also blender that you can vertex paint on but in my experience its a little painful/tricky to do

[nocturne tusk]

im using blender being poor and all that XD so will have to try the vertex painting method, was my guess right tho ?

[full owl]

Im also using blender dw dw

For vertex painting ive seen people unwrap their helmet, paint the texture in photoshop and then import it back to blender but idk how it would work with the rest of the process

As im still retopoing (dies)

[nocturne tusk]

just use remesh and try to make sure the faces are below 5k while at least keeping a simple shape then bake your normal map its what i did

[full owl]

My models a little spindly so im doing it manually

[nocturne tusk]

my design is kinda weird but was aiming for something inspired by the Murmur

[full owl]

Im a fan!

[nocturne tusk]

should look better once it has colour

[rotund nova]

mind you that Murmur is not an accepted faction style

so depending on the Warframe you're making this for, this might be reason enough for DE to disqualify your submission

[nocturne tusk]

are you sure its not accepted and its just not specified in the documentation considering they are quite new to warframe

considering as well isnt Qorvax modeled after the Murmur style

his design imo at least to be going in that direction just more warframe than murmur

[rotund nova]

not documented is literally the same as not being accepted. Also for Qorvex you're not following the Murmur design language but his base design language because obviously you have to make an alt helmet that fits his body if you don't also make a skin to go along with it

[nocturne tusk]

thats fair enough i can only try, the helmet design wasn't intended for him and if i do get refused i will at least get feedback and can make something better in the future 🙂

[thick root]

Keep in mind that feedback isnt guaranteed, youre more likely to get it if you follow the rules

[rotund nova]

the feedback you get will most likely be "not part of the currently accepted factions" instead of anything technical that would improve your work later on

but it's different from case to case

[thick root]

Yeah, ive gotten feedback that was basically "read the rules again"

There was other feedback which was basic and surface level, but mainly it was about the rules

[nocturne tusk]

what was your design that recieved that feedback

[thick root]

Got feedback 3 times on my revenant skin before it finally got accepted

Then there was also my first rhino skin that i never returned to

Yeah thats probably the one

[mortal trellis]

I just found out about tennogen yesterday. eesh

[rotund nova]

very cool, have fun

[idle hearth]

I was just playing with nomad on my tablet and created this, i like how it looks but would it work for any warframe?

[rotund nova]

unlikely

[celest nest]

Mirage at best, but its very early to tell

[nocturne tusk]

maybe rework it to be an oporator mask i could see it working for that considering some of the stuff already in game

[atomic spade]

Yes, it is not accepted, if you go to the official tennogen web page you can check the rules, files and the list of allowed factions such as Tenno, Infested, Corpus, Grineer, Sentient, Ostron, Solaris, and Entrati.

[atomic spade]

And its not guaranteed that you will receive feedback, and if you do you might have to wait for a year or two like in my case

[nocturne tusk]

i ended up starting on something new for this reason anyway figured id try something along the lines of the entrati route will probs share it once ive made some progress with it

[lyric abyss]

<@&778745217037238293>

thank you mods!

[lyric abyss]

<@&778745217037238293>

[eager quail]

Not sure what you're trying to do here, chief. This channel is for the discussion of tennogen projects.

ok then. Removing unrelated... stuff.

[nocturne tusk]

so so this is my new attempt at a model to subit for an alt helm nort very far along in the process but from what it looks like so far does anyone think this would be a suitable helm for vauban obvs a WIP considering the huge hole in the side of its head and for context i was planning to put some kind of vent in the spot

[celest nest]

Isn't it... a mark X Tacticus armor wish side fittings removed?

[nocturne tusk]

not intended to be XD does it look like one then

[celest nest]

I think you know what you're trying to do.

[nocturne tusk]

im not trying to make a space marine helmet if thats what you implying the shape maybe similar but im well aware of the fact you are not allowed to submit replicas of existing things

[rotund nova]

whether this is a space marine helmet or not (which even I recognise as such), it has a different issue altogether that shouldn't be ignored. It's not a set rule that you will find in the official guide but when creating alt helmets you want to avoid your design to look like an actual irl helmet (like a motorcycle or even an Iron Man helmet) and instead aim for more abstract shapes that won't necessarily (comfortably) fit a human head. Think how when people make cosplays of Warframes the head pieces often look disproportionately large. It's a direct result of translating Warframe designs into the real world.

[nocturne tusk]

thats fair enough its just hard not to take inspiration from standard helmet shapes, even more so when you consider what a helmet is, it really is a shame the design comes across as recognizable as something realistic do you have any pointers for coming up with a more abstract design ?

[rotund nova]

uhh, mecha heads can be surprisingly diverse

but the best pointers are what's already in the game

[nocturne tusk]

see this is the confusing thing for me their are alot of helmets in game that could be considered realistic at least in a sci fi setting, also some rules like no face like features i see alot of helmets with clear visible eyes even the new heirloom for vauban at least its concept art for the helm looks relativly like a pretty standard helm in terms of shape and proportions maybe im just bad at reading between the lines but this topic in general the lines seem to blur quite abit for me

[rotund nova]

it's pretty clearly stated here. What you want is to abstract any facial features if you are even adding any. However you want to avoid things like faceplates or visors that imply there's something behind (think Helldivers or Halo). The rule actually doesn't say that facial features are not allowed, they just say that any facial features you do add should be abstract enough to not just be a straight up a nose, eyes, mouth etc. As a bonus they suggest to place them in spots that don't align with the human face. For example, cyclops designs are very common. Grineer skins have the benefit that you can just use the round lights every Grineer mask has for eyes but then then they're just round lights and not anatomically correct eyes. I think the closest we have ingame to a proper face is Xaku deluxe but deluxe skins don't follow the same rules as TennoGen or necessarily even the rest of the game's design language so they should under no circumstance be considered for inspiration when creating TennoGen.

[nocturne tusk]

ok thanks this helps sorry if im coming across as a pain 🙂 just trying to learn

[slim wadi]

another thing I would advise you os to use more organic shapes. the less corners and straight edges the better. warframe are technically living metal.

[rotund nova]

yup, the Tenno design language is specifically referred to as "techno-organic"

[slim wadi]

something I heard one of the 3rd artists say here, is that warframe has a lot of elements that are:
metal shapes you couldn't really produce with modern day smithing techniques

[nocturne tusk]

hey all looking for some more feedback see if im heading in the right direction this time started sculpting a new design needs refining smooth out edges sharpen bits an all that any feedback is helpfull thanks

[slim wadi]

my main point would be is that there is still way too much faceplate/visorplate. at least as it is as a sketch. definitely going in the right direction from your previous one tho.

(also, still lacks the organic look - once again might just be for how early it is, but it is important to note)

[acoustic swallow]

Maybe try stretching it certain ways. You can get away with a helmet look, it just cant look like a human helmet. If I had the skills for a grineer theme these guys are definitely one of my goto references

Just spitballing.

[untold ridge]

Hi, i got a question, this is not related to tennogen creation but its tennogen related. I bought the Ion shoulders on Switch, when I play on mobile and I dont see them, I just thought that it was something to do with the tennogen cosmetics bought on one platform wont be shared when I play on another. But now Im seeing that I can find and equip them on Kahl. I have bought other tennogen stuff like the Piercing Eye shoulders and they do share on Switch and Mobile, but not the Ion shoulders. Is there somewhere I can get more info about this? TY

[prisma shale]

I'm pretty sure things bought on that console/pc/mobile stay on the device you bought it on

I might be wrong so don't take it as truth

[still cape]

God dante will be bane of my existence

How does one change this no neck freak while staying true to his character?

[sharp mural]

round head maybe?
or 2 horns could work

enjoy my awsome paint skills

[still cape]

I could see the horns his robe would have to change as well to accommodate the horns but not too much

[idle hearth]

Hmm... I think... I will download and look at his mesh.

Oh. Very long beard

[sharp mural]

the other one doesnt have the long beard i believe

[idle hearth]

But it would be an optional design choice

[quasi sapphire]

I’ve always been kind of curious, the Tennogen preview pics don’t really look like what you see in Warframe, and they’re not quite what you can get in the Tennogen tool either, even though they’re labeled “in-game res.” Is that because they render the final shots in Marmoset?

[rotund nova]

that... is an interesting matter to delve into. Now I'm also curious for the answer

[quasi sapphire]

Hey, I’ve seen some Tennogen skins where the body shape looks different from the default frame.
I thought Tennogen rules say you can’t change the base body mesh topology — so is it actually allowed to alter the topology, or are those shape changes just extra geometry layered on top of the original mesh?

[rotund nova]

do you mean like around the neck area?

because there is a clause in the TennoGen rules that allow you to add something to the neck if you feel it is absolutely necessary for your helmet design to work and look as best as possible. The Oberon Taurus helmet is a great example because the helmet only benefits from that bull neck.

other than that, TennoGen is not in any capacity allowed to change body mesh or put a separate model on top

oh and sometimes if you toggle Prime details on and off you might notice that a few polygons get warped a bit. This happens most notably on Frost Prime but that's a byproduct from when the Prime details toggle was first introduced after the first Primes already existed.

[quasi sapphire]

If I don’t change the topology, and don’t delete or add any vertices, but only slightly adjust the position of existing vertices, is that acceptable?

[rotund nova]

No

basically no change must be done to the body mesh

[thorn ruin]

ah if only i could 3d model. this stuff breaks my brain. But i do love doing 2d Renders for helmets... hm...

[quasi sapphire]

When working on a Warframe skin, I was wondering — should I submit the body model with the original head included and provide my custom head model as a separate piece, or would it be okay to remove the original head and merge my custom head directly with the body? I’m just a bit concerned that doing so mig...

[foggy pagoda]

There are TennoGen skins that come with their own custom helmets if that's whatchu mean

[quasi sapphire]

Yes, for the helmet I used my own mesh, and I’m just a little concerned whether removing the official base head model and merging my own head mesh with the body would be the wrong approach, since it seems like doing so might change the vertex order — even though the body mesh itself hasn’t been altered.

[rotund nova]

when you make a skin + helmet combo you don't merge the helmet with the body. It's simply placed on top. Helmets are always separate models. All you do is position your helmet model on top of the neck so that there are no visible gaps and that it looks natural.

[hybrid parcel]

Man here I was thinking in making a 1999 shotgun skin only to learn it's not the factions they are looking for yet T-T

[icy wren]

That preview was done in blender

[celest nest]

"In-game res" refers only to resolution of the textures it's rendered with

[rotund nova]

oh wait bruh I could have answered that myself

I completely misread the question

[atomic spade]

many of the renders are done in Marmoset Studio, and some in Blender

Malayu does it in Blender i believe with a setup called Blendura, which mimics the ingame look as close as possible
Also have in mind that the renders use uncompressed textures, which DE compresses on their engine/inhouse tools

also sorry for the late response lol

[worthy crane]

Can the Syadana I have so far pass as Solaris? I tried using stuff I found in Fortuna as reference.

[frosty fiber]

it's good but I do think it needs more to tie it to the solaris. imo it's kind of "naked"

[worthy crane]

Could it be because it's the low poly version with 7214 triangles? Trying to stay within budget of 7500. Still got the fake detail step to go with a high poly.

[hybrid parcel]

Where are you guys getting the models from the game? Or was there a link i missed?

[worthy crane]

Search for Warframe Tennogen Steam Workshop Help. Then go into content files and examples.

[hybrid parcel]

Thank you!

Wait, I've been there, but it's only a few assets-

[ivory radish]

it's the warframes and weapons models (and textures) that TG artists need to do their magic, nothing more

[hybrid parcel]

Yeah, I just wanted to see if i could use or see some in-game assets I'm wanting to use as inspiration as 3D models

Specially since I'm thinking in doing a Fur cape....and there's only 1 Syandana with fur in the game-

[amber rose]

anyone know if amalgam design is acceptable as a corpus subfaction?

[foggy pagoda]

I'm not sure
Though both Corpus and Sentient are accepted

[rotund nova]

I'm fairly certain amalgam is allowed

it really is just some parts Corpus, some parts Sentient and not like how Orokin/Prime and Entrati are connected

[celest nest]

Man, fast work

[wild swift]

Howdy folks, popping in here to ask if we know whether The Techrot is considered its own faction or a sub-faction of The Infested? I didnt see it listed on the guide's website. I'd love to mess around with some concepts but if its not allowed I'll push my ideas in a new direction. :3

[foggy pagoda]

It is a separate faction that isn't available
Maybe you could play around with other factions to try to get close, but ya

[queen current]

So far the only 1999 tennogen that's been allowed was the one round of Drifter cosmetics, hopefully they open those factions up at some point

[foggy pagoda]

Delete these bad images pleaze <@&778745217037238293>
(Sorry for da ping!)

They're also in other channelz it looks like

Thank you all💖

[terse remnant]

can I get an invite to the tennogen server please?

[atomic spade]

Cyte-09 Prowlia Alt Helmet first draft

[atomic spade]

With paintover

[tawny osprey]

man i love this

[atomic spade]

V2 version

[atomic spade]

https://fxtwitter.com/vorenoxx/status/1956901826910998932?s=61&t=hjWiMftGkq_XuRIIiudZfQ

🇨🇱🥟NoxxeR | Harrow PRIME Main 🛐 (@vorenoxx)

Cyte-09 Prowlia Alt Helmet Concept Art.
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︀︀(Hearing Insurgency: Sandstorm and BF4 ost definitely helped making this.)
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︀︀#tennocreate

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[unique light]

Hi everyone! I'm relatively new to Tennogen stuff, I did some fan art before, but unfortunately I fell in a very long art block since then and now slowly getting back to drawing/3d modeling again, I did this fan art some time ago (First picture. I didn't know about TennoGen at the time of creation and didn't know about specific rules then) but now as I'm getting back to creating again, I've decided to rework it a bit , it's in an early sketch phase (picture 2) so any suggestions/feedback/critique is welcomed 🙂
thank you and hope to talk more here!

[strong lance]

will prob smooth out the details around the eyes more and readjusted the jaw so its more prominent. slow going for the high qualitly model tho ill be happy once i hit retopology stage

So more stextures are in bound (has bad habit of being overly detailed with her models)

tho now that i look at it with vorunas model i may have made the jaw too prominent

[rotund nova]

Is she meant to look like a Drahk?

[strong lance]

she kinda does with that nose lol the the idea is infested/insect theme

[rotund nova]

ohhh

[rough saddle]

Hello everyone! First-timer here. I'm working on a kuva based skin for Jade. I already have the concept done and I started sculpting. Not quite sure where to share this, but I figured I'd leave a preview of what to expect.

[strong lance]

ooo i like and we need more attention for miss jade. I love playing her theres just not much to fashion her with atm along with daggath and voruna. Tho ive managed to throw together a void angel themed fashion and an avenging angel themed one.