tennogen-creation-discussion

[carmine lance]

having some armor that goes with it can really spice up the design

[strange hound]

So looking at the tennogen, I love Graxx for that grineer look. But are there others that share faction looks?

[celest nest]

My works specialize exclusively in infested faction

[oblique shore]

Corpra are corpus based

[jagged wigeon]

There are quite a few sentient themed skins as well

[strange hound]

Is there a name I should be looking for? Such as Graxx, Corpra, yst?

[celest nest]

I never picked a line name sooo, no. If it looks infested, then it's probably made by me

[oblique shore]

Well, you could create you own line of Infested items. Try a name generator maybe

[celest nest]

I thought about it, but it's too late now

Plus I get to name every skin something unique this way

[oblique shore]

True true

[thick root]

Naming everything the same can kinda get stale, if i'm doing another sentient skin, it probably won't be algalyst

[oblique shore]

I think it can be good to make a brand for yourself in game, like the artist who does the Zamariu skins, you can recognize his work by the name or theme alone. But yeah, I get your point

[celest nest]

Yeah that's true

But I already have so much stuff in game that it's too late for me

[jagged wigeon]

I just look up Vulbjorn in the market and usually get what I come for

[autumn stirrup]

This is tennogen, which is user made cosmetics items, not Tennocon, the convention.

[wild linden]

Why hasn't anyone made an Amp skin? I bet there could've been some amazing skins

[wild linden]

For tennogen?

[rotund nova]

Because amp TennoGen is simply not an option. TennoGen creators can't just make whatever, DE needs to officially allow the creation of skins for certain things.

[shell talon]

#players-helping-players is where to ask. 🙂

[rotund nova]

Which warframe skin you guys would like most?
Gyre - 💃 kuva theme
Valkyre -👿 ghoul theme{new}
Mesa - 🤠 [pirate]
Rhino - 🤖 [evangalion kinda theme]
Rework oberon - 🦌 [ dont wann]

[celest nest]

Come work on xaku with me, I want to see you suffer

[crisp gale]

i'll need to research these first

Valkyr for sure. She be a berserker. I like playing video games as a berserker

[lyric abyss]

she is terrible though

[rotund nova]

Like, the entire point of the EVA design back in the day was that they were slender compared to most common mech designs back then

[hushed hound]

What are you blabbing on about, she's one of the best entry level frames for steel wheel

[rotund nova]

You convinced me to make rhino skin evangalion theme.

Out of spite?

Do your worst then

[rotund nova]

Community project 👉😔 👈 ummmm for me?

Gyre it is then

Gyre evangalion kuva theme

[swift crow]

Kuvangalion

[rotund nova]

• infestation + and corpus

[swift crow]

Spooky

[rotund nova]

No , it’s multiverse version of war frame

Warframe paint skin when?

[wide plume]

I need these as Voidshell Skin textures.

[rotund nova]

No, literal paint out of a bucket

Like shown in a recent blockbuster with a mediocre representation of the multiverse

[wide plume]

My Captain Crayola Nidus may already have that covered.

[radiant lodge]

I'm not sure if that would work with the tennogen rules. Maybe with Xaku. Would be interesting to try

[wide plume]

That would actually be brilliant on Xaku. As a reference of course. But obviously it would be far too meta.

[radiant lodge]

I think I would buy it, if someone made it.

[wide plume]

Just to reward them for having the balls to do so of course.

[radiant lodge]

Doesn't really fit in Warframe themes, so I'm not sure it would be accepted. But if it would be.

[rotund nova]

Doesn't need a Warframe theme, not all skins are themed after Warframe content

They just have to fit the artstyle

[celest nest]

Awful idea

Count me in

Btw, I noticed tennogen little blue square changed to a pen, is it intended?

[rotund nova]

I am still pc cause i chose pc

Cant change now

[brave turret]

Is it possible for tennogen ideas to become adapted for an ultimate skin?

I have some ideas for a lot of frames

( Wisp, Gyre, Ash, Khora )

[zenith flax]

Ultimate skin? You mean like, a deluxe skin with mesh changes? Generally no, mesh changes aren't allowed

Although it would be really cool if we could get tennogen based on deluxe skin meshes. That would open the door to... So many possibilities. 👀

[hushed hound]

Funny because we just got like armor

[rotund nova]

Ruthless people

Doritos on her skirt gon be hard

[weary gull]

😅

Gyre Kuva theme sounds pretty good for me

[celest nest]

Considering her geometric style you could incorporate red gemstones like what Alberich wears

[rotund nova]

the heck is an ultimate skin supposed to be?

[velvet sable]

I think he means deluxe skins

[brave turret]

My bad, yeah, that

I forgot what they were called 😅

[gleaming vine]

what software do artists here usually use for tennogen?

[ivory imp]

zbrush, blender for some, substance painter, marmoset to name a few

[rotund nova]

No , no , no kuva ,

[rotund nova]

Final form.

[rotund nova]

Now I get it ,

[celest nest]

And a giant glintstone crowj

[wise knot]

how caliban graxx would look like lmao

[rotund nova]

he'd have a whole bunch of prosthetics

[fathom oyster]

Just out of curiosity, are there guidelines against using fur/hairy textures for Tennogen skins?

[celest nest]

Mostly "avoid using them because they end up looking like crap in engine"

And to make them look good you need to spend way too much of your polybudget

But li also think if you include them de also will ask you to remove them. I remember it happening at least once in the past

[fathom oyster]

Ahh I see. I was just thinking that it might look kinda neat if there was a Saryn tennogen skin that made the things on the side of her neck/ torso look like a fur scarf

[celest nest]

Probably impossible, geometry is too unlike scarf

[spring flint]

It does look like a fur boa…

[hardy harbor]

honestly a luxury saryn sounds cool, but i have to agree that the fur will look terrible unless super carefully done

[fathom jetty]

they showed that preview of the new fur/hair engine back before TNW and i haven't heard anything about it since. maybe if it ever makes it into the game, fur accents on tennogen will be allowed

[hardy harbor]

unfortunate-- seeing kubrows get fluffier and maybe even getting it for the werewolf frame would be amazing

[fathom jetty]

i agree!! it looked so nice i had my discord name as Dog Hair Prime for like two weeks after the announcement! 😂 and now nothing. rip

[elfin dome]

I’m pretty sure we aren’t getting fur on warframes, the wolf even has energy tail to avoid using fur
Fur can currently be seen only on some deluxes as part of the clothes (Zato etc)

[snow basalt]

My Kubroe scared me

When I first got it it was Brown and now it turned green

I didn’t even notice the change at first it was so subtle

Or maybe there wasn’t even a change at all my Kubroe just decided to turn green one day

[radiant lodge]

They have changed the fur and how it looks.

[rotund nova]

They specifically said they tried to avoid putting any type of fur on the werewolf frame and instead make her look beast-like in other ways

[raw zenith]

i wanna to tenno gen so bad but like theres so much to it

[uncut eagle]

I agree

Me too

[rotund nova]

Lol same. I would love to design a Gauss deluxe skin, since he’s my main, and since he’s cool asf

we need more Gauss deluxe concepts

[raw zenith]

honestly if i start learning i would go kinda crazy

[rotund nova]

I actually thought we might see a Gauss deluxe at TennoCon but to no avail

[raw zenith]

literally at random moments i would think of the craziest skins

but like idk how to do it

[rotund nova]

my only hope now is that Gauss Zamariu will make it someday

[wise knot]

imagine caliban graxx
imagine revenant graxx
imagine xaku graxx

[rocky imp]

Are DE accepting ostron themed weapons? (Asking because I wondered if they would be confused with zaws.)

[rotund nova]

Same

That skin looks awesome

[eager quail]

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[rocky imp]

Does anyone know a good tutorial to texturing using substance painter for warframe?

I've got the base smart material, but having trouble figuring out exactly what to do with it.

[rocky imp]

I have this hammer design.

[amber oyster]

Check out Hydroxates Tennogen videos

[gleaming vine]

is it allowed to post sketches here?

[rotund nova]

anything TennoGen related, baby!

aka yes, totally

[gleaming vine]

thank you

my super early sketch of a helmet for Zephyr, inspired by hatchlings and mama birb on a nest

[rocky imp]

Those look great!

I'd love to see it as a helmet.

Ok so if I want to post pictures and ask for opinions or advice should I be using showcase or here?

Since I see people doing a mix of both.

[celest nest]

Probably here. Showcase is for more tangible pictures and more finished works

Besides, showcase has like 50s timeout on it, which doesn't help if you want to have a discussion

[rocky imp]

Ah OK so.

I'm using substance painter to bake a high poly into the low poly, but I have a small issue.

On the cylinders at the back, on the underside gets very messed up.

Is there any setting I can do that will fix this?

I presume its the lower cylinder acting odd with the upper

[uneven hull]

dat hammer looks sick

will it have flames coming out of these cylinders?

[rocky imp]

If I learn how it would be cool. Not sure how I'd do that yet though.

So addon question, how would I do that as well? 👀

[celest nest]

Yes, I think it can be fixed.

Do you bake with naming conventions on? I.e. _high _low suffixes

[rocky imp]

I don't know.

[celest nest]

Ok so, what I see is ptentialy overbake from some sculpting NOT on cylinder being projected onto cylinder, right?

[rocky imp]

Has this bit down here.

[celest nest]

Ok so see those mesh suffices?

These are used to tell Painter which exactly highpoly to project onto which exact low poly

First of all what you'll need to do - is to take all your high poly parts and add _high after each name. So let's say HammerHead_high, tube_high, etc. an then export it

[rocky imp]

Oh so I should cut up the mesh for it?

[celest nest]

Then you go to your low poly and do the same - take identical names of those parts and add _low poly

[rocky imp]

Its all one mesh at the moment.

[celest nest]

Oh

Oh did you boolean it all?

Yeah I'd cut it into different parts

You have cylinders sitting very close to each other so they'll porject onto each each other

Honestly, Ithink you can just cut middle big exhaust and be done with it

But for future reference working with small separate parts is usually beter than only one giant

[rocky imp]

Yeah, used booleans but cleaned them up of course. I kept it all in once piece because that's how the examples were set up.

Not 100% sure how I'd go about cutting up the sculpt though.

[celest nest]

You use blender?

[rocky imp]

Yep

[celest nest]

Ok, so here's what I'd do

Realistically, to fix your problem you just need to cut out middle cylinder so

Go into sculpt mode, copy your hammer

Cut out with knife brush cylinder on one model, go into annother model and cut out the rest of teh hammer leaving only cylinder. or you can just slice it off with I don't remember the name of the thing

Yeah probably simpler maybe if mesh is not too dense. Go into edit mode, separate edge of t eh cylinder, then do Ctrl+p, separate by separate parts and here you go

Might lag if compooter slow

[rocky imp]

Knife brush cylinder?

[celest nest]

I mainly use zbrush for sculpting so I don't remember precisely what Blender uses

[rocky imp]

I'd love to get Zbrush but boy is it expensive.

I'm not sure if its something that I can do in blender. Sculpt is uh..

Dense. Very dense.

[celest nest]

Yup that's one dense mesh, mhm

with meshes like this you reaaaally do NOT want to boolen things together

[rocky imp]

Lesson learned.

Might be easier I just go cut up the low poly

[celest nest]

You probably can just cut off the ribby part of the cylinder

[rocky imp]

Then re-sculpt details

[celest nest]

Tbh yeah

[rocky imp]

I started with the low poly to begin with anyway.

[celest nest]

But don't forget to cut off the cylindre and remove that part too

[uneven hull]

that looks like a back of a spaceship :D

[celest nest]

Oh another thing

It's grineer hammer yes?

I think it would look much more interesting if you angled tubes to the side a bit, and not kept them this straight and in one direction

(which yes would require you to cut those tubes too)

Oh btw, before you go and remodel anthing there's a super simple solution to you problem I forgor to tell about

Just lower backside projecting rays to like 0.002

And keep lowering them until backshell projection bleeding is eliminated. It can, potentially, remove 100% of bake error

these two. Id play with like 0.05 frontal and like 0.002 or 0.001 rear ray

Probably do it before remodelling anything, because it's you know, infinitely easier

[rocky imp]

No luck

Just makes the rest of the mesh look bad

[celest nest]

Mhm

[rocky imp]

I'll just have to redo it.

[celest nest]

Hold on

Can I take a look at your UV map

[celest nest]

Jesus

[uneven hull]

it looks like a thing from oscira collection

[celest nest]

Did you auto unwrap it or

[rocky imp]

Yeah, used blenders auto unwrap

[celest nest]

It's a bad map

[rocky imp]

I am awful at unwrapping

[celest nest]

There's a ton of super hair thin islands and a lot of wasted space.

We all are, but good unwrap map allows for really good resolution. And lack of baking errors

[rocky imp]

I do not know how

[celest nest]

It's pretty easy

[rocky imp]

It is always very confusing, not easy

[celest nest]

Oh it's confusing if you don't know how, but easy, if tedius, if you do

You just go into Edit mode on your low poly model and look really hard at your model

Squint a bit if required

If your model is symmmetrical and you don't need any asymmetrical details, like asymmetrical scratches etc. - cut your model in half. Literally go into orthographic mode and remove half the model

then start cutting it with Ctrl+e > Mark Seam

And start making seams where you think they're necessary. Just imagine how you would flatten your hammer like a ... kinder Egg wrap

[rocky imp]

I get the idea of it

But it never really works well for me, always looks off

[celest nest]

It will be better than auto unwrap one way or another

Auto unwrap is pretty much only useful for eithre extremely square models, or for test bakes, not finalized products. Besides, how will you get better at it if you don't do it

[rocky imp]

I've tried a lot

[celest nest]

Oh no, do not give up on it

[rocky imp]

Substance auto unwrap is certainly better but I cant use vertex colours if I use that

[celest nest]

Unwapping is integral part of 3d modelling

And you absolutely have to learn how to do it

[rocky imp]

I mean

It works right now?

I know its not perfect but

[celest nest]

Badly, and your have bake errors which might very well be from it

realistically you should look at this like this - you're making a product, and DE is in market for it

[rocky imp]

all the baking issues seem to come from it being one mesh

[celest nest]

If product is bad, they won't take it. And you also need to consider that in game resoltuion will be lower, and for tintmap - it will be exactly half of the rest of your maps

So yes, all of them being one mesh doesn't help, but on top of that you also NEED to make a good UV map as well

UNless you're just making a model as part of training

[rocky imp]

Guess its back to the drawing board. I'll give it a go but it'll likely just end up looking worse.

[celest nest]

It won't look worse than auto unwrap in blender

If you want, you could throw me a low poly and I'll place some cuts that mighthelp

And how I would approach the unwrap

[rocky imp]

Thanks! Maybe. I'll give it a go myself first.

[celest nest]

Ok sure

[rocky imp]

If it doesn't work out then yeah. I do apricate it though, thank you.

One other small question about substance.

I have some gineer text. Thwackkurr (Thwack, Thwacker, Chakkurr = Thwakkurr)

But it doesn't have the holes for whatever reason.

Why would this be happening?

[celest nest]

Awful resolution

[rocky imp]

On the alpha itself?

[celest nest]

On the texture map, seee how thicc all letters are

But also check alpha threshold

It seems to be set too thick

[rocky imp]

Where is alpha threshhold?

[celest nest]

Don't remember

[rocky imp]

Ah well, thanks

[celest nest]

Ae you using just a custom alpha or grineer alphabet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Hwi6fh9ns

[rocky imp]

I took an image from tenno typer and used it as an alpha

Is there a font I can download for it?

[celest nest]

Hold on

@rotund nova Wake up, grab a brush and put a little makeup

I know you work with grineer and have writing on models

[rocky imp]

Oh yeah the font one works way better

[celest nest]

htt ps://fontst ruct.com/fontstructions/show/848279/grineer_language

Here's a grineer font

[rocky imp]

Ohh nice

thank you

Oh

Damn it, you need substance designer to make fonts

Thanks anyhow

[rotund nova]

make fonts or use fonts?

[rocky imp]

To use the Gineer font as one of the font alphas

[celest nest]

Can't you just download this one and use the text tool to stamp it on as a text

[rotund nova]

you know you could also try and export the texture file as a 2D image and add the text in Gimp or Paint.net or something

[rocky imp]

I was using it as an image before.

It was then suggested I use the text tool in that video.

But I cant do that because it requires substance designer to make a new one, I thiiiiiiiink?

At least thats what a quick google said. I'd be happy if I'm wrong

[rotund nova]

do you want the text to have a height or other 3d effect or just colour?

[uneven hull]

(sorry for interrupting but i must express my love for Merchant's cool profile picture)

[celest nest]

You could use your existing grinnizzle alpha and stamp it as a mask

And then add sharpen filter to mask to make it crispier

But it might still have no holes because resolution is too low due to UV map

[rocky imp]

I'll do the UV step and go from there

Maybe it'll be fixed after.

[rocky imp]

And thanks! It's a character of mine.

[celest nest]

it might be fixed

[rocky imp]

Ok so, I've tried to unwrap it to 2048x 1024

Its all stretched.

How can I fix this?

[rocky imp]

@celest nestYou absolute legend. Thank you. The new UV fixed the issue.

and it looks higher quality to boot.

[celest nest]

Generally speaking you make new image file with appropriate res first and then you unwrap model. If it still looks stretched, it's ok

[rocky imp]

Text even looks clear though I'd probably space it out more.

Not sure where I'm going to put it yet though

The front of the hammer looks a little bare. Think it needs more detail?

[celest nest]

You could add little flaming fx to the front onto the metal bits

Ooooor yiu could just paint emissives onto them indicating heat

[rocky imp]

Ohh good idea

[celest nest]

I don't think you necessarily need more details, often less is more

[uneven hull]

sick!

[rocky imp]

How does fx like elemental damage/energy colour coating the damaging parts even work anyhow?

[rocky imp]

Ty ❤️

[celest nest]

It's a separate mesh that you make entirely transparent and give it a wrap-around emissive map

It's essentially just fully invisible mesh that only has emissive map

Or to be precise an alpha plus emissive map

[rocky imp]

Is it usually the full weapon or just like, a specific part that goes over the parts with the fx?

For the duplicate mesh

I assume its just the parts to save on performance

[celest nest]

Usually it's just parts, like jet exhausts but it can be a fully not connected mesh too like revenants flames

Or it can be a mix of painted on emissive on the model plus fx cards if you want to make say a bonfire with glowing embers

[rocky imp]

Do you know any good tutorials for it?

[celest nest]

I'd probably recommend just painting on emissives for now. Fx cards are a bit more tricky

And require you to make a separate material for then

[rocky imp]

I see. I will for now, but I'd still be interested in learning 😁

[celest nest]

Let me find something

[rocky imp]

Once I'm done with the hammer, I might do some fists. Did a basic concept today.

Big spike driver fists 👀

[rotund nova]

I woke

🤨

[celest nest]

I wanted to ask how you make writing

[rotund nova]

Those tubes?

[celest nest]

Writing in grineeer

Do you use font or do you use alph

[rotund nova]

Sometimes i extrude it from duplicate shape underneath it and delete rest

But i think just using standerd brush is fine

And then refine shape around it.

[celest nest]

Wait hod up

In painter

[rotund nova]

These red wires right?

[celest nest]

No

Just grineeer writing

[rotund nova]

Writing?

[celest nest]

Not wiring. Writing, letters

[rotund nova]

Lmao

[celest nest]

Erneix

You hVe not fully woken up

You need covfefe

[rotund nova]

No , cofee

Ok

I just took image from google

Crop it and black and white it in 2k

And upload to sp and use it as stamp

[rocky imp]

So as a standard alpha?

[celest nest]

Ok thank

[rotund nova]

Yeah

[rocky imp]

Thanks!

Ok so here's a question

The tennogen guide says they accept claws

But looking at the workshop, theres no category for them.

Are they actually accepted?

[celest nest]

Should be

Workshop labeling is a bit of a mess. Sometimes you need to really look for a category because it's all lumped together

[rocky imp]

How do physics work for things like syandans and tassels on weapons?

Do DE do that when its accepted?

[rotund nova]

Yeah DE do that

[rocky imp]

So no need to rig them?

[rotund nova]

No

[rocky imp]

Oh heck yeah.

That saves so much time.

[rotund nova]

Just give it to them like a hard plank

Also

Just add this E logo on ur weapon

Writing will take alot space

[rocky imp]

Yeah that might work best.

Looking at other peoples work, lots of people say they get feedback from DE. Is this common? If so, how does it usually happen?

[rocky imp]

So much cool stuff in the workshop that would look like it fits, but hasn't been accepted.

Also damn that does look better.

[rotund nova]

Yes it is common,

[rotund nova]

Some might have technical problems and some might have problems like horns , eyes and other stuff.

Horns are hard no no

[rocky imp]

Huh, even rhino like horns?

Seeing a lot of those.

[rotund nova]

No , those are like weird alien thingy , i mean they shouldn’t be pointy i think

[rocky imp]

I suppose it makes sense, demons and all.

[rotund nova]

Idk its weird ,

[celest nest]

You can do horns kinda but for infested

And hey need to be stylized

But it all follows a relatively strict artstyle and horns as is are just not part of any faction

[wise knot]

someone please make doomslayer-style shotgun with little grineer symbol to count as grineer faction style

[rocky imp]

Oh I'd love to do guns if they were accepted, haha

[wise knot]

there is literally only one shotgun skin

[celest nest]

We can't make guns

[rocky imp]

A grineer tigris I'd do instantly if I could

[wise knot]

shotgun skin i mean

i think there should be category for it

if not, then sad
i dont really like my tenet arca plasmor

[rocky imp]

So how do tennogen rounds work? If it gets passed over for one round, can it enter another? Can there be more than like, one hammer skin per round, etc?

[celest nest]

Yes and yes

[rocky imp]

But at the same time, I wonder if they would be denied for looking like a zaw?

[celest nest]

If you don't get in one round then you're facing two options - either your model is close and de will send in feedback asking to change stuff, or yiu get no feedback, meaning you need to change too much and you should redo model all togethhrr

Also if DE didn't pick you one time, they will ignore the model next round unless changes to it are made

[rocky imp]

I see.

That would explain the huge amount of older items that look great that aren't accepted.

[celest nest]

A lot of them has a range of issues, from artstyle not fitting to some technical issue (like bad UVs)

Most of them are abandoned works

[rotund nova]

Its graveyard after page 3

Dark web

[celest nest]

We have lost so many good models fhere

Like Excalibur Goodboy skin

Or Skinned Loki

[rocky imp]

Theres a lot of cool stuff for sure.

[rotund nova]

Excalibur goodboy skin is cool

[rocky imp]

Now one thing I've noticed, like none of the swords with the spade shape tip are accepted. Does that fall to just abandoned work or is that shape a no-no?

[celest nest]

Probably just some technical issue

[rotund nova]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=540248039&searchtext= look at this somebody just posed straight excalibur without texture on helmet

Dont be like him

[celest nest]

Be more efficient

Paste a realistic human smile onto helmet

[rocky imp]

I dont know.

I'd use it

I'd love to do a sword like this but ostron themed. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1577907336&searchtext=

That or an axe.

[rotund nova]

Oh DE said ot looks same from some other games

So not allowed

But it doesnt to me

[rocky imp]

That sword specifically or that general shape?

[rotund nova]

Shape

Not sure

I forgor

[wise knot]

doomslayer shotgun

[rotund nova]

No ,

You sit right there

Violence is not the answer

[wise knot]

i wanna slay infested in deimos with rhini prime

[rotund nova]

Is that sauce?

Tahini sauce?

[wise knot]

idk
i need to sleep my brain becomes foggy

but doomslayer shotgun...

[rocky imp]

So wait

How do you get feedback from DE?

Like is it an email, workshop comment, in game message?

[celest nest]

Violence is not the answer

It's a question

And the answer is yes

[wise knot]

violence is everything

and my dream after all

[celest nest]

But we cannot do super shotgun because we're not allowed to make skins for guns

[celest nest]

Workshop message plus they sometimes will do a paijtover and upload it to like imgur or something

[celest nest]

Such is life

It sucks and then you die

Sometimes it sucks less and you find a KFC basket

[wise knot]

im suck in this game
im 17 mr and cant even go solo steel path survival for 15 min at least

[rocky imp]

Thanks, its very useful to know in advance

[rocky imp]

Does scale matter when uploading?

Looking at example assets, some weapons are HUGE while some are small.

[rocky imp]

Now this is just extremely rough concepting

For an ostron theme, do you think it would have a hole in or be more solid?

[hoary lichen]

the hole looks really good

[rocky imp]

Holes more visually interesting but solid seems to fit ostron more because of the mewan blade

Slowly become more Ostron.

[amber oyster]

Ouuu

[ivory imp]

ooh yeah thats looking good so far

[dusky veldt]

we need a new katana

that deals lots of slash damage

and cold damage

[ivory imp]

a popsicle stick

[silver reef]

Razorblade covered popsicle stick. Gram prime.

[hardy harbor]

tbh if we got some (more) joke weapon skins like monster hunter has that would be fun- ofc theres the dog days rifle skin but thats it

[wise knot]

doomslayer shotgun when

[radiant lodge]

There's the candycane skin. It'll be coming back in about fiveish months.

[shell talon]

Pepperminty death to our foes!

[radiant lodge]

Its great. I should have pulled out my Winter Holiday theme fashion for july. Oh well.

[wide plume]

I was always saddened that the candy cane couldn't be recolored.

[radiant lodge]

Yeah. I'd love a rainbow candy cane

[celest nest]

Rainbow candy cane implies one of the colors is grape

[rocky imp]

I need opinions. Should I have emissions on the hammerhead or not?

[rocky imp]

Or maybe something else entirely?

[rocky imp]

Or maybe these. Very torn.

I think I like this one best so far

But the dot ones are neat too

[celest nest]

Last one is muy bueno

I'd give the flat head itself a more complex meat tenderizer like pattern

And also, I'd add some dimples onto flat planes somewhere. Grineer love dimples

[rocky imp]

Will do!

I did try a meat tenderizer style look but it didn't work too well

I'd have to remodel it which would be kind of annoying at this stage.

Need to think of a name for it too

[celest nest]

I think you could just add bumpmap divits onto teh front in x pattern without modelling anything

Surface is so flat, it could just work well enough

[rocky imp]

Unsure about these dimples

I feel like its too noisy now.

I think I like the ridge down the back sticky out part though

[celest nest]

Yes dimples bad

[rocky imp]

I think I'm going to have trouble deciding when its "done"

I think its probably suitable as is if I redo the paint chipping to look better

But I can always just keep tweaking more

[hardy harbor]

hmhmm i think i prefer the one that leans more towards kuva, but it looks like you alr settled on that one. what if on the front of the hammer. instead of the red bar it was some of the squiggles?

[jagged wigeon]

Dude I'd rock that hammer skin if/when it gets accepted

[rocky imp]

Glad to hear it!

I want to stay away from making it kuva

[hardy harbor]

ahh okay

[rocky imp]

As there's already a kuva hammer in game that was accepted

Though for testing I do love the kuva colours, heh

[hardy harbor]

fr fr- i love that they took black n red and made it not edgy with the grineer aesthetic. its kinda perfect

[honest ravine]

What about a Townsun style?

[rocky imp]

Those do look pretty good..

I think standard grineer will do

[honest ravine]

Tyl Regor's color palette might also work, don't you think?

Although whatever color palette you use, I really like the look of the hammer.

[hardy harbor]

yeah it looks great- i hope it gets accepted hehe

[rocky imp]

Tyl regors colours would look great

will try that later

[rocky imp]

Grineer heavy blade concept. How's the silhouette looking?

Also I wonder if anyone can recognise where it's inspired from?

[rotund nova]

Dark Souls?

Looks like a halberd to me

[rocky imp]

Nope

[rotund nova]

F

[oblique shore]

KH?

[rocky imp]

Yep

[oblique shore]

Nice 👌

[remote condor]

oooh i recognize that one

Lexaeus's weapon!

[rocky imp]

Exactly!

[rocky imp]

So once a model is done, what are the steps for rendering screenshots correctly, with the tints that can be applied?

[glossy prairie]

Any one here selling a RIVEN MOD for Mire . its a melee weapon

[wide plume]

This is Tennogen discussion. There are trading channels for specific platforms if you select the role that corresponds with your platform.

[glossy prairie]

Okay thanks imma look real quik

[celest nest]

There's two ways. You can either do what I do, and make a little smart material that paints each tint a diffuse color in Painter and export a bunch of diffuses and then render them (useful if you want to keep textures for future promo shots or what not), or you can do what I think Malayu (or Lukinu? Not sure) and make a node based mat in Blender that splits your tintmap into RGB+A and then colors those areas appropriately

[rocky imp]

I'm not quite sure how to do either of those things. 😅

Are there any tutorials for that anywhere?

Also I'm very torn on these. Dots or no dots? Dots is more detail but no dots make it look like stamped metal which is kinda more robust looking.

[uncut eagle]

I would say no dots

[celest nest]

I'd remove those lines in ggeneral

It feels like they overcomplicate it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UCc3Z_-ibs Here's a decent video on renderig in Blender

And in order to make tintable material in Painter I literally just make a bunch of new layers, form them into groups, then copy masks from your tints and paste them into those new fill layers. Then change colors of fill layers to whatever I want

And export it all as RGB diffuse

It will only be useful for rendering and nothing else, but youll be able to export finalized greyscale diffuse later anyway

[rocky imp]

Thats pretty complicated sounding. Damn.

Will still give it a go soon.

I feel like the top is too basic when there's no lines.

But you may be right. Just unsure.

[celest nest]

You know what they say, training is harder than fighting

[uneven hull]

rivets instead of dots

[rotund nova]

Yeah no that's very situational

[celest nest]

Then, you know what they say, don't poke the frogg

Or you get the bogg

[rocky imp]

I think I'm going to go with the normal lines

[celest nest]

Getting pimples from frogs is 100% fake btw, you've all been lied to your entire life just so you don't jostle poor animals

[rocky imp]

I did rivets here

[celest nest]

Try making two indented parallel lines maybe, going across several plates?

[rocky imp]

Can't picture what you're saying

[rocky imp]

oooooooooooooooooooo

That might be good

[celest nest]

But indented into metal

Not sticking out. This will simultaneously make it less complex looking and add some element on top it might need

[rocky imp]

Two looked kind of empty.

Not sure if I like it better or not.

They work. Just a question on if its better than the other pattern

And here it is without the back lines which is slightly better.

Once this last part is sorted I think I can call it done and move onto the rendering.

Learning towards the original tbh

[jagged wigeon]

What if they were inverted? Like going inside rather than sticking out? That might make it look silly but I like it the way it is regardless

[rotund nova]

That's a solid idea to try out because you never know

[rocky imp]

Not a fan of inverted ones. The model has a lot of ones going in but few going out, feels over-used to go in.

Unbalanced

Ugh, hard one to make a choice about

[celest nest]

If you can't pick, abandon this area for now and return to it later

[rocky imp]

Problem is it's the last thing to do on it, at least as far as I can think of.

Not sure what that is?

[rotund nova]

googling didn't help with understanding how that's supposed to apply to a TennoGen skin

for a Grineer hammer...

bruh, why didn't you say that? The way you said that made it look like a response to Merchant's issue with their hammer design

[rocky imp]

I dont know how it would help here but it does look cool. 🤷‍♂️

[rocky imp]

Also this

[rotund nova]

I don't think it was meant as a response to you

[rocky imp]

Yeah seems so now

[rocky imp]

Ok so I'm trying to export my model from substance painter to blender to render.

Using the suggestion of adding a fill layer with the colours of the tints I want to use.

Problem is, for some reason my metallics are now changing colour

And has become red.

Oh nevermind, I have to remove user0 for it.

Leaving the message in case someone else has this issue and searches it up

Though I am having similar issues elsewhere of colours not matching on the fill to the tint.

[rotund nova]

Change Your base colour value of that material around 40 , thats what masternoob told me

This guy is litrally me

Same errors we have

[jagged wigeon]

Ngl I kinda like it with that red, gives it a nice rusty look even though it clashes with the front and cylinder colors

[rotund nova]

It actually change colours , what would u do if it comes out as pink?

I mean its your choice if u want it to be pink

[jagged wigeon]

That do be true, I'd probably group it with Kirby Grendel

[rocky imp]

Sorry, what value do I change for this?

[rotund nova]

The base colour value i think

[rotund nova]

Courtesy of Masternoob

[rocky imp]

Oh, I'm not switching rendering types. I just want to make a coloured version of the hammer to be used for renders.

Thank you though.

[trim pier]

If you buy a tennogen accessory, does the creator of the accessory get funded?

[rocky imp]

Yes, I think they get 30% of the sale?

(Not 100% sure about that.)

[radiant lodge]

It depends. PC, yes. Tennogen creators get a part of every sale on PC. Consoles have a different contract. For consoles creators get an up-front payment.

[rocky imp]

So wait if you get it on both PC and console, do you get both or just a bigger up front payment?

[radiant lodge]

If you were a tennogen creator, and agreed to have your tennogen released on both platforms, you would get payments for each PC purchase, and an up front contract for console payment.

[rocky imp]

Oh neat.

How much is that usually?

[radiant lodge]

No idea.

I do know there are folks making enough from PC tennogen purchases to support their families.

[rocky imp]

Well I was creating stuff for fun but that's certainly a bonus, haha

Fingers crossed my stuff gets accepted.

[radiant lodge]

Good luck!

[rocky imp]

Is there a way of rotating the light in the tennogen viewer?

Following on from that, what is the zip file generated with the viewer? I see no way to create one.

[radiant lodge]

Sorry. Actual tennogen creation is (WAY) beyond my abilities, so I don't know the answers.

[rocky imp]

Aw, thanks for your help still! 😁

This doesn't look great for taking renders, most peoples workshop images look way better.

[rotund nova]

Viewer tool is weird , I chose darkest colour on my Lavos skin cause they were looking too light. And then in game preview they look dark lmao.

Always use original colour instead of what look good in viewer,

[thick root]

At that point you might aswell use substance for render. Most use marmoset toolbag, others like vulbjorn use blender

[rocky imp]

How can I render in Substance and colour it? (As I can't use the evo shader for the tints in the render, or at least can't seem to?)

[thick root]

Idk unfortunately, i use marmoset

[zealous forum]

I can't digital art worth anything so I have no example, but what do people think about a steam locomotive-themed skin for Gauss?

[ivory imp]

Chop hop

Choo choo

[zealous forum]

Thought it might be a fun mix of the sci-fi/old school. Give it lots of earth tones with the pipes being a darker gold. I might have to try and actually draw this now.

[hybrid portal]

Like vaubans deluxe in a way?

That’d be neat

[zealous forum]

Ah didn't even know that existed. Yeah somewhat like that. Darker colors, little more "skeletal" in terms of seeing inner workings, gears, hydraulics, etc.

[wise knot]

medieval steampunk with drakula themes

[lyric abyss]

you cant change the base modle though

[zealous forum]

Can I replace certain elements? Like his face plate, make it clear and fill it with pipes or gears? Or does everything have to be "add-on" only.

[lyric abyss]

the head can be change completly, but the transparent parts might be a no-go

skin its mostly color channel and texure change

[rotund nova]

transparent pieces should be fine if applied correctly

there just hasn't really been a case where creators used transparent elements on their helmets unless it was for Gara

[zealous forum]

It'd have to be "transparent" pieces added that appear to show innerworkings, right? But really they're just patterned with the design or something like that.

Sorry like I said I'm not much of a digital artist and not sure of the intricacies of the tennogen system and warframe stuff. Just a cool thought of Gauss being all old-school looking while being a futuristic speedy murder bot

[honest ravine]

How about an armor set that complements that style?

Since you can't modify the base skin, something like that could help I guess

[honest ravine]

Btw any tips to start with Tennogen and in general 3d modeling?

[rocky imp]

Grineer metal blobs, or defined tech parts?

[honest ravine]

The Second.

[oblique shore]

2nd yep

[rocky imp]

Thanks

[rocky imp]

Sculpted. Not sure what to call this sword yet.

[wise knot]

thrax-175

[rotund nova]

Khreva Heavy Blade skin

[rocky imp]

Good name suggestions! Here's some material testing.

[rotund nova]

nutty

the blade just seems super thicc

[rocky imp]

By design, but it can be changed if I'm asked to

[rotund nova]

a bit too thicc tbh

we'll see

maybe it works when it's finished

[dim cypress]

thicc blades best blades

[rocky imp]

I may need to rework it a bit anyhow. The seam down the middle of the blade has some colour bleeding over it from the texture.

[rotund nova]

not when there is 0 sharpness to 'em

[dim cypress]

dont need to cut when smush

[rocky imp]

Crushing blade. More of a hammer than a sword haha

[rotund nova]

even the Buster Sword, which really is just a massive slab of metal, has an actually sharp edge

or Chroma Deluxe's sword

or the swords from Monster Hunter

[rocky imp]

I get it, I get it.

I'll do some more experimenting

[rotund nova]

that wasn't directed towards you

[rocky imp]

Still will experiment anyway 😄

[wicked night]

Looks like it was made of a lure used to capture eidolons

[jagged wigeon]

The true sentient slayer

[remote condor]

thicc blades save lives

[gritty blade]

the back looks reminiscent of melee weapons that have engine exhausts for more speed/power. heavy attacks, maybe?

[thin portal]

loving it!

[rocky imp]

I'm glad! Going to be making some changes to it to hopefully get it even better

[burnt jay]

Would 200% buy

[quiet anchor]

hello fellow tenno I am a 3D character sculptor which makes the models from scratch to game-ready state and I am looking for a concept artist who'd like to co-create tennogen assets. Of course the primary reason is the portfolio expansion but I aim at the quality as well. If you or someone you know would be interested in collaboration, let me know and we'll sure chat about the thing or two and see if it's a match!

[ivory imp]

Depends on what you want to start with. There are a few concept people who come to mind

[quiet anchor]

pretty anything, skins, syandanas, weapons

[rocky imp]

A bit of a redesign

[amber oyster]

What style are you interested in?

[rotund nova]

I genuinely want to speak with an Admin. Are there any takers?

[wide plume]

This is Tennogen discussion. If you absolutely need to try and contact a moderator, then may I direct you to #modmail

[thorny gazelle]

||hi can i ask something if i can love to have back my hologram glith lotus back as a skin to her there is a small amount of people like me who want that too i think ||

||or there is just a way to get glith lotus back somehow ? ||

[remote condor]

is that a tennogen thing

[rotund nova]

Not TennoGen, not supposed to be here

[rocky imp]

More progress! I may make the blade paint take the third colour instead of first though

While we cant have gold colours at default, it looks good with it

[jagged wigeon]

I really love this one, might not even have to customize the colors if it comes out like this

[rocky imp]

Decided to go back to it and change some of the body details a little

[rocky imp]

The new details, I'm unsure if I like them better or not, but they are probably more Grineer.

[rocky imp]

Another colour as an example

Think these fists will fit as a next project? I started the idea before moving to the blade above.

[rocky imp]

Took some advice that the body was too noisy

[remote condor]

do you use blender3d? or smth else

[rocky imp]

Blender, yeah

With substance painter for textures

[rocky imp]

To be honest, if these aren't accepted as fists they'd probably double as armour, haha

[wide plume]

Based on the look, could be used as either one

[pearl nova]

Why not both?

[rocky imp]

Hah, they actually would as well.

Damn I could make a whole armour set in this style

[oblique shore]

They look nice on the shoulders, could something different for the other parts though imo

[rocky imp]

Yeah, right now they are all the fist weapon stretched out so all the same. Each bit would need to be different.

But the style idea is there.

[oblique shore]

It looks cool 👍

[wide plume]

Not a lot of grineer armor sets worth using, I say go for it.

[jagged wigeon]

Dude I'd be decked out in that armor looking like Bane juiced up on venom

[rotund nova]

who told you that?

[rocky imp]

A few people in the tennogen discord, it's good advice.

While I did prefer the older ones, if it helps it actually get accepted then yeah

[rotund nova]

this part I agree

but these were totally fine

maybe if you just made them smaller instead of outright removing them?

[rocky imp]

Maybe, but some advice was it was too corpus

[rotund nova]

that looks like a very mechanical part to me

like Grineer mechanisms instead of Corpus cybertech

idk, I don't see the corpus in there and I've done some stuff with the corpus aesthetic before

[rocky imp]

I may take another crack at it

Make it match the theming of the armour concept above

[rotund nova]

👍

[celest nest]

Hey guys

I need to pick a nice hood ornament for my skin. Here's some variants I sketched up
A vs B https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276703191356276737/1006206612425416724/unknown.png

C vs D https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276703191356276737/1006206804801368134/unknown.png

Experimental variant E, with Guyver gravity orbs spread around

[oblique shore]

Helmet looks sick, I like B, D and F

[wide plume]

A, C, and E, with a preference for E since it looks like it would be a fun energy color accent for the bony carapace of the head.

[jagged wigeon]

Mmm E would make a good third eye

Or you know, only eye because even Alad V thinks we're blind

[celest nest]

I been thinking like Guyver unit

A lot of people seem to like E

(not F, I forgor my ABCs)

[wide plume]

I like having energy color accents on large stretches of a flat color in order to spice it up and make it feel less empty.

[rotund nova]

Praetorian Xenomorph Saryn
Praetorian Xenomorph Saryn

nutty

[cyan crystal]

Love B, D and E for some odd reasons - No idea which one I prefer in between all 3 of those tho

[rotund nova]

my personal favourite is definitely A but it's closely followed by C for greatly different reasons

[jagged wigeon]

I do love A and the bony protrusion it has. C is pretty good too and reminds me of a muscle car's motor in the front. D is more like the little icon of a car's company like Jaguar or the like, but C is the better of the two imo

[rotund nova]

I'd like to see C but with the boney texture and colour of A

Because I really like that A has a different colour there to break up the the red of the forehead

[remote condor]

saryn skin?

[rocky imp]

After some feedback, I re-did the driver fists I posted a couple days ago.

Think they are looking better than the old ones?

[uneven hull]

is it possible to get a side-by-side comparison?)

[rocky imp]

I'd have to export these for a side by side but here's a pic of the old one

[uneven hull]

the only change is these lights on the upper front part?

(it still looks amazing tho)

[rocky imp]

There's a lot of changes?

Lines, lights, paint, details, new power cells, etc

But thanks!

[uneven hull]

i meant the changes in a model itself. The new light and paint are really noticeable

[rotund nova]

I'd also change the energy colour so something yellow/orange-ish

[rocky imp]

Not a bad idea

I was using blue before, greens just from me messing around

Grineer do use orange at base though so might be better to

[uneven hull]

a pinnacle of grineer engrineering: handheld drill! now Tenno wont break them

[rotund nova]

that's what I was aiming for

[rocky imp]

I think I may call it the Boldurr set, grineer mining equipment turned weapons and armour.

I made a syandana yesterday to match the fists but I'm going to have to update it with the fists new style.

[uneven hull]

it looks like a jetpack.. for easier access for mineral veins on the ceiling, makes sense

[rocky imp]

Grineer like to mine in space. Asteroids

... They also like jumping really high

I'm not sure which one is more important to them

I'm guessing the latter.

[uneven hull]

but they tend to jump high without the jetpacks.. i thing with jetpacks they will be hitting the ceiling with their heads

[rocky imp]

Grineer love to jump in the geyser in PoE.

I think they all just want to fly.

[rocky imp]

Hm, does this look better with the emissions added back into the spike, or does it look better without?

[wide plume]

Ooh, I'm liking the look of that syandana

This is looking like it'd go well with TheMoonMan's excal skin.

[celest nest]

I'd remove the emissives

[oblique shore]

Will it have some sort of energy? Like fire or smoke coming out of it?

[rocky imp]

No emissive it is.

Effects would be cool but I have no idea how to do those.

[pearl nova]

TBH, if it would be possible/practical to do so, I'd have it emit smoke/fire on a double or bullet jump. Make it seem like the jetpack's providing an assist.

But, I am not a content creator, take anything I say with some salt.

[rocky imp]

I'd love that

[rocky imp]

Excalibur about to smash some skulls minerals.

I need to learn how to make renders better.

They look awful in blender compared to substance painter.

[rotund nova]

get that minergy flowing! wait, wrong franchise

[uneven hull]

is he an SCV now?)

[pulsar saddle]

WOW

nice work

[celest nest]

Use my lighting setup

[rocky imp]

I probably should, yeah. Tried my own but it wasn't as good.

[rocky imp]

Thanks! Here's hoping it gets accepted!

I'll be updating that one to the look of the new fist weapons though!

[rocky imp]

I think redesigning the back of the sword to be more like the thumper is probably a good plan.

[hardy harbor]

god this makes me want some fist weapons so bad- looks so good!

[uneven hull]

its for weapons like furax and ankyros, not hirudo/kogake :(

[rocky imp]

Afraid so

There's no tennogen skins for fist weapons yet

So they need some

[rocky imp]

WIP of the Boldurr Syandana V2

[static jay]

My personal preference is probably C for silhouette, but perhaps with the boney structure of A for contrast.
E would be my second choice. I do like the Guyver-inspired look of the orbs. They add some sharp energy accents to the helmet.

[candid anvil]

These are so cool!

[quiet anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzwp-ng-f1Y&ab_channel=PierrickPicaut

@rocky imp you might find this handy

I'm no specialist in animation but my guess is that you need to cover the whole effect area with faces as shown in this video and draw or photo edit a few fire stages from 1/4 to 4/4 on the texture and just blend (animate) them together then export it with animation baked.

[rocky imp]

Is this how it works for warframe? I just clicked through it and it looks all node based.

[celest nest]

For FX separate from mesh, yes. For stuff like jet exhausts from nozzles on weapons, animating movement of the FX mesh is not necessary, just emissive + alpha. For stuff like animated energy on the model itself (swirling emissives, pulsating nodes, animated energy on helmets etc.) you can bypass making FX mesh and just paint energy on area you want to be animated and then use seamless alpha to dictate the animation

[silent lichen]

quick question, has any of you guys gotten the warframes or other warframe items from the game and managed to put them together for different purposes? I've tried to get the warframe from the tennogen examples but I suck at blender and couldn't rig them well or colour them correctly. any pointers?

[strange hound]

If BeastBuster ever sees this.. those Asakage shoulders are too good!!

[rocky imp]

Boldurr Syandana redesign is almost done.

[burnt jay]

I have a friend who loves the griener look, they're definitely gonna be picking this set up for sure if it comes out on tennogen

[honest ravine]

[rocky imp]

Fingers crossed!

[honest ravine]

Just sayin'

I would love to see if you get to make armor based on the Necramech aesthetic

Rather, I would love to see armor and weapons of all styles made by you

[rocky imp]

Necramech style stuff would be cool

Not an accepted style atm sadly

[honest ravine]

Maybe something smaller?

[rocky imp]

Sorry, not sure I understand?

[honest ravine]

I mean, a little smaller in that style than the armor we officially have

[rocky imp]

Ahh smaller necramech armour, yeah

[jagged wigeon]

I wonder if other syndicate style things are allowed, like hexis and veil? I'd say the others but Perrin is more like Corpus and Steel Meridian is just good guy Grineer

[abstract lark]

PLEASE ! update tennogen store ! ! ! It's been a year ! ! !

[rotund nova]

been a year since what? Round 21 part 2 was in February and Round 22 part 1 comes in 5-6 days depending on your timezone

[gleaming vine]

step 0.1 done

i really need to learn more about blending

[rocky imp]

Nice work so far!

Love the design

[gleaming vine]

thanks!

[gilded moon]

one final look before uvs and texture on the ash dont know what gonna name skin

[rocky imp]

Ohhhhhh nice

[hardy harbor]

whats the best way to get an accurate front view of a frame? i want to create just a concept, and i dont know where to get a good image other than chopping up official references to frankenstein a frontal view

[vale crow]

Accurate front view of a frame? You might try Captura... if that's what you're asking

[hardy harbor]

well like when people are making skins, they have a perfectly symmetrical mesh for the frame, and in 3d softwares its easy to turn that into an accurate 2d image. do artists sculpt the frame every time they do a unique project?

[rocky imp]

@hardy harbor What frame do you want? I'll grab you a picture after work if you want.

Also finished off the Boldurr set's shoulders over my works lunch break.

[hardy harbor]

ooh!! that looks so cool

[hardy harbor]

and for this, could you grab yareli? im sorry if what im asking isnt super clear idk a whole lot about 3d modelling aa

[rocky imp]

Sure thing.

It'll be a few hours though.

[hardy harbor]

no worries, thanks for being willing to grab it

[uncut eagle]

I’m usually not a fan of grineer looking weapons and cosmetics but this is really cool

[rocky imp]

Thanks!

[proven nacelle]

Trust me, I'm trying to push for Necramech-themed TennoGen. I've got a couple designs I would love to attempt but mmmmgh

[cyan crystal]

@karmic prism (Sorry for the pin) but I saw your Vome/Fass tattoo on Ash. I was wondering, if in the future you might want to take advantage of that style and apply it to Lavos..?

I hope it's not too forward or crossing a line

[karmic prism]

Maybe in the future I like the general silhouette of Lavos, but we have to wait if they want this kind of stuff first, also I have some armor pieces and a Barruk skin in the oven, anyway thank you for the suggestion.

[cyan crystal]

I'm excited to see the Baruuk skin!

[rotund nova]

There is no Baruuk skin coming with TennoGen

do you mean his deluxe?

[cyan crystal]

We were talking about what skins they are working on.

[abstract lark]

Who cares ! Since no update such long time , it's being bored after , it sucks

[rotund nova]

What on earth are you complaining about?! We are literally getting new TennoGen stuff in not even a week

[lyric abyss]

ignore them. they want new content every week.

[karmic prism]

I've just posted how to do the emissive effect in blender in case you're interested https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1319361-texture-node-groups-for-blender/

[cyan crystal]

Oh thank you, I'm not an artist or have talent with that sort of thing. I only have the imagination part - But I absolute appreciate the time and effort

I should at least try at some point, who knows

[karmic prism]

You'll never know unless you try 🙂

[gritty blade]

there was a streamer i watched some years ago who did Skyrim weapon mods. he did a quick tutorial one stream to help me learn the ropes, and it allowed me to make a few mods myself

though i'm still a beginner at best, and have tons to learn in 3d modeling

[proven nacelle]

Any tutorials available for doing TennoGen in Blender?

[brave wadi]

What is tennogen?

[celest nest]

Player made skins

[brave wadi]

Ok ty

[humble cove]

Blenders are for making smoothies not video game stuff

[rotund nova]

[uneven hull]

the hell is a smoothie

[rotund nova]

What is hell

[narrow owl]

What is

[robust valve]

What

[oblique pewter]

What does the chest look like?

[rocky imp]

Working on that at the moment!

Here's the legs though

[gilded moon]

guys small question do i need to make a retopo for the skin or just the helmet only ?

[celest nest]

Only helmet. Body already has both uv and topology so there's no need to do it

[fathom jetty]

can i ask, what program does everyone use to model? blender, maya, something else? are the WF files compatible with lots of different programs or do you need to use really specific programs?

[rocky imp]

Blender and substance painter myself

If you can afford it, Zbrush is great

[celest nest]

I use zbrush for high poly, blender for retopology, unwrapping, rendering and composingand posing, substance painter for texturing, sometimes marmoset for rendering and baking, and Krita for concepting and touching up final renders for presentation.

Wf files are compatible sith everything, because de provides both fbx and obj

[rocky imp]

Boldurr Chest WIP

Might need a little more edge wear as its a bit less than the other parts.

But it's a nice chunky while hopefully not being too large.

Chunky rhino

[hardy harbor]

c h o n k

chunky grineer stuff is peak

[rocky imp]

Yeah chest definitely needs some more metallics on there

[gleaming vine]

first time discovering Remesh, and i dont think this is a good mesh

[cyan galleon]

funny

[jagged wigeon]

The duck is always watching

[gleaming vine]

ok i've figured some stuff out

decimate helps at fixing that messh

[fathom jetty]

me when i see a zephyr helmet being worked on:

[uneven hull]

watch out: there's a heavy unit incoming

[rotund nova]

Is that your Benus Henry? Ugh so small.

[rocky imp]

Added a little bit more wear to the chest, I think it's almost ready to upload to the workshop tomorrow.

[rotund nova]

can you show what the full set with the default tint colours look like?

[rocky imp]

Full set is slightly higher up. Not sure what counts as default? Isn't it just whatever set it to on upload?

I may change the pipes ridges, they look fine on the smaller parts, but maybe a bit off on the chest.

But maybe that's just me.

[rotund nova]

basically this

[rocky imp]

Oh you mean the ID map?

[rotund nova]

no

I want to see the default tint mask colours applied to your armour and syandana

[rocky imp]

Ah, I haven't exported them with the warframe export settings yet

[rotund nova]

so they look like this

[rotund nova]

can't you do that in whatever program you're using?

you had to put the default colours there somehow and be able to change those after all

[rocky imp]

I have been using substance, there's a shader and materials set up for it

I can change colours on the fly

[rotund nova]

then I respectfully ask you if you could change them to the default tint mask colours rq and send a screenshot

if you want to that is

[rocky imp]

I don't know what the default is?

I can make them bright colours.

[rotund nova]

just put blue, red, green somewhere and maybe magenta for metallics

the order doesn't matter

it just has to be super saturated and contrasty

[rotund nova]

thank you very much

[rocky imp]

Alternate set

[rotund nova]

the first one was better because green and cyan blend too much

hence why I suggested magenta but the first one works perfectly fine too

I was asking for this because I didn't see that the wear had its own tint too and thought you forgot a tint

[rocky imp]

Ah

[rotund nova]

also I don't know if you're gonna leave the order like this but consider to change what's currently TintColor 1 to TintColor 0 because (I think) that it would look strange if the secondary colour would end up the colour of 90% of the object instead of primary

[rocky imp]

There's a small limitation for that

To have the edge wear work properly on some metallic parts it has to be that way around

The generator

[rotund nova]

is it possible to change the order later when putting it all into the TennoGen tool for upload?

[rocky imp]

I do not think so

[rotund nova]

because this can really fudge up the entire usability for fashion frame if the tint is out of order of what you see on the actual armour piece ingame

[rocky imp]

Lots of armour has the largest surface second too in game.

So not really unheard of

[rotund nova]

all I'm saying is that you have to consider what your armour looks like when used with different colour schemes and fashions because that working well is basically the end goal you're aiming for when you eventually upload it to the workshop

[rocky imp]

Saturn six, Syrinx, Quaro, all the lich armour sets, Daedalus, Pakal, etc are all largest colour secondary and others are largest colour primary.

I didn't realise how inconsistent warframe is about this already, damn

Then there's Vetala where the metallics are secondary???????

Why. Just why exactly?

[rotund nova]

this is what I'm talking about

[rocky imp]

At least its currently consistent with all the other grineer armour besides Magor

[rotund nova]

it is really easy to accidentally scew the tint order when not paying attention (generally speaking, not meant towards you)

[rocky imp]

I mean, technically I did it the right way around

At least for the majority of grineer sets I was comparing to

[rotund nova]

Pakal makes sense because that certain sentient red is on secondary on all Sentient cosmetics

[rocky imp]

But those themselves are backwards

[rotund nova]

this is the setup I use to check tints

[rocky imp]

If DE like it, I'm sure I'll get feedback on that part if they want it swapped... Hopefully anyway

Did you ping me a second ago? 🤔

[rotund nova]

I'm not sure about that, we currently have about 10 or 11 Grineer themed armour sets/single armour pieces (Provvok only has a shoulder piece) that were made by DE and only 3 of them (Saturn Six chest piece, all of the Meridian armour pieces and the Lich shoulder pieces) have a very prominent secondary colour and only one of them has it on all 5 pieces, the Meridian armour set

not trying to ummm, akshully you, it's just worth mentioning

[rocky imp]

Wait what grineer armour am I missing?

Besides Magor which are the ones that are flipped the other way?

[rotund nova]

in terms of TennoGen we got only two (Inflatable Shoulder armour and Fhan'Epak Chest plate) and only the Inflatable armour has prominent secondary colours

[rotund nova]

one sec

[rocky imp]

Saturn six arms and legs are also secondary, not just the chest

[rotund nova]

We got

• Galvanik
• Harkonar
• Harkonar Wraith
• Kuva
• Kuva Lich
• Maggor
• Maggor Twosun
• Meridian
• Provvok
• Saturn Six

pressed enter too early

[rocky imp]

Ohhhhh galvanik, missed that

Also I've been getting maggor and harkonar flipped in my head

What way around is maggor?

[rotund nova]

leg pieces is correct but that's not primarily secondary colours

that is a big splash of primary red

[rocky imp]

Hmm guess so. It's the under material though that they use for the rest

[rotund nova]

like you said, it's very inconsistent

[rocky imp]

Also I'm not discussing this in any argumentative way, I must clarify

This is very interesting

[rotund nova]

oh, me neither actually

at least not really, moreso trying to present my point of why it's important to keep tint order in mind when creating TennoGen

[rocky imp]

I'm actually quite interested to see what what I'll be told to do, if at all.

[rotund nova]

I'm very much looking forward to see all your stuff in the workshop and hopefully in the game too which is why I want this to succeed

[rocky imp]

Fingers crossed.

[rotund nova]

double fingers crossed

[rocky imp]

I plan to dirty them up a bit and add some roughness variation tomorrow as well based on someone's feedback in the tennogen discord

[rotund nova]

sounds sweet

dirtying them up sounds like a good idea

you could also add some deeper scratches on them as if they were hit by a sword or a bullet got ricochet off of them

I think Faven does this a lot and it adds some character to it without it being straight up stealing if you did it too

[rocky imp]

It would make it fit ack and brunt too

... Which I really, really, REALLY want to use with this armour

[obtuse hull]

I don't like the fact that it looks like a face.

[rotund nova]

it looks like a Gumball grimace

[gleaming vine]

noo dont put that image into my head

[cyan galleon]

it looks like it's laughing👀

[lapis oracle]

How late can someone submit?

[rocky imp]

You'll have missed the current round of tennogen.

It'll likely be a good few months before the next.

[rotund nova]

Technically you can submit at any point. It'll just count towards the next round instead.

[celest nest]

yeah

A lot of people often submit like two minutes before end of round