builds-discussion

[half cloud]

do anyon have panzer and his claw build please?

[crimson cedar]

and i'm still trying Oberon+Bsurge (misc debilitate/irrad) work (or doesn't 😭 )

maybe a little to deep for me rn, not a big deal, Oberon Bsurge still fun to play

[old marsh]

For one shotting a group?

Or basically the entire room, right?

[crimson cedar]

not for OHK purpose, just messing around with his kit + Bsurge

spark have a cap damage around 15M iirc

but you can trigger debilitate when a spark proc a rad status (if already have 10 rad status, thats why Oberon) on certain conditions, and have elec/heat procs

(maybe client side only)

[old marsh]

Aah. Cool cool. Coz I think I had it but I went with Roar. Feel free to hang me for that. I never liked Oberon’s design despite his kit being fantastic.

Maybe Oberon Heirloom will fix that

[prime phoenix]

after retesting, irradiate does not interact with misc dmg

[brisk epoch]

I love the wolf sledge 🙂

[warm obsidian]

Blast Tox or Corro Heat for Dex Pixia?

[pale belfry]

Blast tox must go with xata

Corro heat for heat inherit

[high sable]

isnt this wrong? since it resets outburst timer when u have the same exact melee combo count (or higher ofc)(secondary outburst wiki)

[chrome badge]

It refreshes the timer but not the buff amount so no it’s correct

Overriding it would mean replacing it

[high sable]

ah i see ty

[versed harbor]

blast tox

viral elec is probably the only other option rly but blast tox you get the best of everything

[glass moon]

what shotguns are good with volt

for shock trooper

[rich glacier]

Any

[latent adder]

strun prime incarnon

[glass moon]

is there anything else

missed that shit by 2 levels last week

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-crying-cry-crying-crying-emoji-crying-meme-gif-3223392509479903783

[latent adder]

what about like coda bassocyst, cedo prime

[glass moon]

guess ill get one of those then

what do you reckon is the better shotgun between those two

[hexed lodge]

would you rather have utility and damage (Cedo) or purely more damage? (Bassocyst)

yes, I'm aware Bassocyst has some utility with finishers, but it's more of a niche

[chrome badge]

I love my debilitate basso

[versed harbor]

non acid shells sobek can be fun with volt tbh

[scarlet cobalt]

Whats a good kuva karak build with 50% cold bonus

[violet silo]

mehhhhhhh

I dont think non acid shells sobek is very notable in general

[versed harbor]

its still a rly good auto shotgun

[violet silo]

even in terms of fun, there are better/more enjoyable shotguns that play very similarly

[versed harbor]

like wut (other than like felarx)

u could say kohm ig

[violet silo]

bubonico, kinda

[fresh hollow]

bubonic coda is 38,8% heat for me, is it worth to buy?

[versed harbor]

u lost me

[violet silo]

boar

[versed harbor]

boar ig but its more raw dmg in incarnoff

[glass moon]

what beam weapons are good with volt

[hexed lodge]

pretty good, but progenitor % bonus doesn't matter that much, it's mainly for min-maxing, Coda Bubonico is great as it is

[glass moon]

every shotgun besides strun needs a shitton of primed mods

[violet silo]

fully auto shotgun that does more damage and has more versatile gameplay

[glass moon]

so scrap that

[violet silo]

nothing needs primed mods

[fresh hollow]

oh, ok should i change for magnetic later? ive heard most coda use it

[violet silo]

primed mods are just better versions of base ones

you could just... use the base ones...

[hexed lodge]

if you're playing hard SP then yeah, otherwise no need to rush

[violet silo]

bubonico likes rad

[fresh hollow]

thanks

[fresh hollow]

really? radiation most kill me than help

[violet silo]

not because rad is good, but because its an extra non-combining status that u dont need to mod

[glass moon]

i feel like a bum if i aint using the primed counterpart

[hexed lodge]

why rad? me curious

[glass moon]

but what beam weaps are good with volt

[rich glacier]

coda weapons don't have much value as they are easy to grind. Don't try to profit from coda weapons.

[violet silo]

and you can put magnetic strafe on since fire rate is good

[violet silo]

wdym profit

[versed harbor]

any status beam that can run elec basically, bonus points if you benefit from elec shield's crit or speed's reload speed buff

[rich glacier]

any. coda synapse is best with 20% hs multiplier and inherent corrosive

[violet silo]

you can't profit from coda weapons

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/216371815482654720/1498004406237659319/togif.gif

im confused

[fresh hollow]

and here i was thinking ive hit a jackpot with 60% sporothrix

[rich glacier]

oh you meant with heartcells

[versed harbor]

sporo is the goat

[glass moon]

are there any non incarnon status beams that stand out from the rest

that fit the bill

[violet silo]

er... kuva nukor ig

[undone dust]

tenet glax is pretty solid

[violet silo]

tenet cycron

tenet glaxion

[hexed lodge]

i mean.. yea, that's how you get them
i think you only buy infested liches exclusively for the ephemeras

[versed harbor]

phantasma is fun but not a critter

[rich glacier]

Any weapon works with volt. pick whatever you like more aesthetically

shock trooper too stronk

[versed harbor]

do you want a chain beam or regular

[hexed lodge]

phantasma my beloved

[rich glacier]

even mk1 strun

[dusky bane]

regular bubonico rocked both the radiation and magnetic mod
you wanna skip one of them via progenitor and the magnetic mod is way better to keep

[glass moon]

anything

im just tired of bullets and projectiles

if only shotguns didnt cost an arm and a leg to min max

[rich glacier]

amprex

fits the theme

[versed harbor]

convectrix :]

base flux rifle

[hexed lodge]

that's any weapon tbf

[glass moon]

i mean i only need like

[versed harbor]

nukors probably gonna perform best like noticeably

[glass moon]

primed cryo rounds on most rifle primaries

and the rest are galv

[fresh hollow]

my most forma eater is jade exaulted weapon, sure is a pain

[glass moon]

then shotguns got some bs like

[hexed lodge]

like Melpo stated, Primed mods are not necessary, just for minmax setups

[elfin sluice]

and for the nukor in particular the only primed mod you're really using is the crit damage one(which has alternatives in the magnetic crit damage mod & merciless gunfight)

[novel bear]

Larkspur

[glass moon]

do purple shards have an option for secondary elec damage

[quiet laurel]

larpspur

[quiet laurel]

no

[glass moon]

oh my god

[fresh hollow]

so for bubonico i just spam the alt shot?

[elfin sluice]

that's what ye do if you build it to be a primer

[dusky bane]

wait until you see secondaries

[pastel temple]

Depends on what you doing with it

[glass moon]

i mean the nukor only needs like 3 primed mods

[pastel temple]

If you're only priming with bubo then yeh

[glass moon]

and 2 for the laetum

atleast for the ninjase builds on ovfr for them

[pastel temple]

Still waiting for primed elec melee mod fr

I want at least 4 prime mods in my melee DE

[glass moon]

its crazy how much primed mods shotguns can run

melees only got like primed reach and pp

[pastel temple]

When will they implement primed follow through mods 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[dusky bane]

I'd prefer follow through as a secondary stat tbh, but ye, good question

[dusky bane]

ye, 3 is not uncommon
I've even seen 4 at times

balefire charger uses 4

[glass moon]

still doesnt top the felarx with 5 lol

its absurd

[dusky bane]

although only 3 of those 5 are necessary

[glass moon]

i havent touched a single shotgun in years

[quiet laurel]

I remember boar build during last plague star had so many primed mods that you physically could not run the most optimal build

[pastel temple]

-# Just don't ever touch guns without consent

[dusky bane]

I'd argue some of the exalteds are way harder to build, cause low innate polarities, 4 primed mods and expensive mods on top like hornet strike and galvanized require 6+ forma

[pastel temple]

Lwk I bought coda bubo and haven't built it cuz I know I'm boutta get broke

[glass moon]

i mean forma is cheap

[dusky bane]

yeah, boar is a nightmare 😭

[dusky bane]

it's also incredibly annoying

[glass moon]

how

[dusky bane]

1/day craft, 10-12p cost, annoying to re-level

if a build costs 7 forma I'm more likely to pick a different weapon

regardless of mods

[glass moon]

i mean its only 1 eso run

compared to getting the plat and endo and creds to buying and levelling a primed mod

[dusky bane]

I mean, I'm at the point of having every relevant mod at rank 8 or higher

so I don't see that as anything to worry about

and leveling's STILL annoying, even at L4

[quiet laurel]

luckily I have 4m endo and 600m credits to my name

[wary forge]

https://tenor.com/view/komik-gif-14211273463614358620

[quiet laurel]

wish I could have farmed more credits during 2x weekends tho

[quiet laurel]

I know its not a lot in the bigger picture

but in this server thats like the big leagues

[wary forge]

true

just buy refelx guard

[hexed lodge]

what unemployment does to a mf

[wary forge]

those who know

[quiet laurel]

nah just efficient farming

[wary forge]

bro is unemployed

[glass moon]

what mob clearing non incarnon weaps are good with elec

[quiet laurel]

sotru

[glass moon]

i lowk got nothing to run on my volt for clearing trash

[dusky bane]

status ones I'd assume

[dusky bane]

any melee with influence

[wary forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150797044659802244/1505917339458338989/scuba.gif

[glass moon]

i need guns

nami solo still 2 weeks away

[quiet laurel]

step 1: pick any melee, step 2: slot melee influence, step 3: run shock trooper, step 4: profit

[glass moon]

oh wait is the boar good on volt

i just realized i have its adapter

[quiet laurel]

volt is a good weapon platformer so yeah

[glass moon]

yall got a good build for the boar w elec

[fresh plume]

anybody got a falcor build w/o riven? for general use mostly

thanks!

[glass moon]

https://overframe.gg/build/739145/falcor/galvanized-falcor-x5-heavy-spam-nuke/

[fresh plume]

thank you very much

[glass moon]

https://overframe.gg/build/615306/falcor/influence-x12-rebound-falcor/

nvm the boar expensive as shit to min max too

https://tenor.com/view/higurama-son-what-is-bro-talking-about-son-we-are-cooked-higurama-we-are-cooked-jjk-son-gif-3762192617974067107

5 primeds and sg vendetta

[humble arch]

What's the best secondary for zephyr?

Preferably something that synergizes with her 2 and 4

[glass moon]

tenet plinx

[humble arch]

Ill look into it

I dont have that

[crimson cedar]

funfact, you can play any Kunai (like despair incarnon), put Concealed Explosive mod on it, arcane enervate, ennemies inside tornados, and throw kunais on the ground, close to the tornados : explosions can't make any critical hit, you can stack to infinite the arcane ( +5600% final crit chance if you want ), and make tons of damages when you throw it directly to a target

and Sadly, Zephyr Trumna is nerfed 🙁

[fierce lark]

you know the build you linked was specifically for plague star hemocytes right

normal boar build has 2 maybe 3 primes depending on what arcane you run

[glass moon]

oh yeah you right lol

but

do you think elec for the boar is good

[west radish]

thoughts?

[fierce lark]

non, the incarnon form will turn it into radiation

[glass moon]

aw man

[fierce lark]

if you never use incarnon then it's good

[dusky bane]

boar incarnoff is solid

so it's an option

[glass moon]

wouldnt i just be better off running the cedo prime or the coda shotguns in that case

[fierce lark]

if you were to only use the boar's incarnoff form then the cedo and probably also coda booba are better pellet shotguns yeah

[dusky bane]

they're all solid options

I'd rather boar incarnoff than cedo tbh

[fierce lark]

numerically i think cedo is better, how much of that involves altfire priming idk

i also haven't used the boar yet so no opinion to give

[glass moon]

guess ill get the cedo then

i was 1 circuit run short of the strun adapter last week

[fierce lark]

i have used cedo prime a lot and it is 💯 👌

[glass moon]

fml

[fierce lark]

you were given several suggestions from ninjase and he's a lot smarter than any of us, what's wrong with those?

[glass moon]

the bassocyst looks goofy and i dont have the strun

the cedo is the only thing left out of the 3 suggestions he gave

thought maybe something else would fit the bill but sadly that isnt the case

[fierce lark]

looks goofy 🤔

i mean w/e but yeah, if you care about looks then cedo prime completely destroys everything else in terms of drip

[glass moon]

should i use primed cs even if i run this w shock trooper

[humble arch]

Oooooo

Tyyyy

[elfin sluice]

shock trooper will do its job, so swap it out for heat for a bit better damage

[high sable]

yareli moment

[glass moon]

alr thanks

is there a primed heat mod for shotguns

[viscid bane]

How detrimental is hounds screwing up heat inherit stuff?

[elfin sluice]

if they get the proc first, almost none of your stuff will apply

if they get them after, they're harmless.

hounds will pretty much always beat you to the punch.

[viscid bane]

It's just that my hound can't kill without heat mod and therefore very hard for it to proc contagious bond

[versed harbor]

u could always just avoid heat on ur weapons

[fierce lark]

or avoid heat on the hound

[versed harbor]

just perma slot heat inherit ogris boooooom

[fleet veldt]

What arcane yall use for torid incarnon

[honest snow]

I prefer merciless for the reload speed

[versed harbor]

depends on ur build

usually merciless or blight

[viscid bane]

Again, can't really proc conatgious without it

[hexed lodge]

my tenno, Shock Trooper does not combine with any of the weapon's mods elements

[viscid bane]

I know hounds are more priming focused than dmg but having ways to proc it would be nice to prime even more

[elfin sluice]

it's not combined as-is

[hexed lodge]

mb i wasn't specific enough

[fierce lark]

are you implying hounds can’t kill enemies without heat?

[viscid bane]

Well, my own can't

[fierce lark]

🤔

hounds aren’t exactly applying thermal sunder levels of heat stacking, it shouldn’t be particularly any different over elec

[elfin sluice]

a quick boost to their potential might be swapping out melee elementalist for galvanized

[fierce lark]

i don’t believe hounds can equip galvanized mods

[viscid bane]

they can

[viscid bane]

problem is heavy wind up speed increases their attack speed for some reason while regular attack speed mods do nothing

[elfin sluice]

seriously?

[viscid bane]

Yes

[elfin sluice]

in that case, killing blow might be better than pressure point

if it counts as heavy attacks

[viscid bane]

hounds cant equip that

[hexed lodge]

you could replace Prowess with... pfft idk, Voltaic Strike if you have it? Not sure if it increases the DoTs of Manifold or Contagious tho

i'd suggest Bane mods too but... Banes

[high sable]

is this a known interaction?

[modest vector]

what companion should i be using with kullervo influence?

[elfin sluice]

literally any. kullervo is self-sufficient.
if you must, a vulpaphyla for utility mods' sake.

[viscid bane]

Whatever suits your needs more. If you're struggling with energy Dethcube,if you want viral priming then Vuply/Hound/Diriga etc

[undone dust]

why are you using elec when synergized already has elec built in

[viscid bane]

It was in the build I mindlessly copied. You have a good point. North WInd then or PPP?

[undone dust]

heat

[viscid bane]

that screws up heat inherit

[modest vector]

is there any big ish difference between diriga and hound? i see those 2 used quite alot with kullervo

[undone dust]

what are you using inherit with

[viscid bane]

Most of my weapons have heat modded

[undone dust]

then just rock ppp i guess

[viscid bane]

Diriga can equip tenacious bond without a riven. (Burst laser rifle prime/ laser rifle prime +crit delay) but can't equip Reinforced bond. Hounds is the reverse.

But you don't need fire rate on Kullervo ig since you're focusing on melee

[cerulean prairie]

i need help building my Nataruk bow i havent really farmed that many mods, this is my current mods

[viscid bane]

Also hounds are better at killing themselves

[edgy matrix]

hey i got a question
kuva sobek which element is the best?

i plan on using it with saryn cuz i heard she is crazy with it
but i also heard that kuva ogris is also an option
which would be better?

[edgy matrix]

ow thanks thats helpful

a lot

do i go for magnetic for general use or is the cold worth for saryn

[wary forge]

You really want to get critical delay and galvanized aptitude

[modest vector]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

oke thank you

[viscid bane]

If only planning to use it on Cyte/Saryn then cold, otherwise mag

[modest vector]

💔 brah what cooked

[wary forge]

You would want to take out radiated reload for aptitude and point strike for critical delay

[modest vector]

ima try out mr diriga

[viscid bane]

Is there a way to check max possible CC roll on a specific weapon?

[wary forge]

Like for a riven

It’s just random what the % of the roll is gonna be

[viscid bane]

Just wondering if it's possible to get the crit threshold on Akaten for Tenacious bond. Needs like +400% total

[dark harbor]

what do you think about this mesa build?

should i change something?

[wary forge]

Nah it’s not

[viscid bane]

Even with true/galv steel added on?

[wary forge]

Yes even with a riven

Max u could get is like 46%

[fresh hollow]

@violet silo does the coda sporothrix follow the same bubonico rule of radiation or not? cause i most see people using magnetic or eletric on it

[wary forge]

Why would u go rad on it

[fresh hollow]

well guys here said on bubonico rad is better cause you can use the magnetic mod on it

so i was wondering whats good for sporothrix

cause mine came 60% rad

[wary forge]

I mean I guess I would just never go never go rad progen

Depends on your build but either mag or elec/toxin to make corrosive

It has inate viral so ye

[fresh hollow]

got it

[wary forge]

Ig u could also go heat

[fresh hollow]

im using this for now

[modest vector]

its time to build this lil goober

hopefully the builds dont take THAT much forma

[fresh hollow]

i said the same for jade exaulted weapon, 3 formas without exilus

[wary forge]

Well first you need to get the augment mod

Don’t build it for Crit dmg at all unless u some way to give it flat crit

[prime scarab]

yknow

It is...really funny to see everything translated to spanish EXCEPT the mod names.

Is that...normal?

[fresh hollow]

portuguese actually, and indeed its normal

[prime scarab]

Oh wait portugese yeah

That seems really unhelpful lmao

Like on the one hand a ton of creators are doing it in english so it makes it easier for you all to see what they use

[wary forge]

I just noticed that

[fresh hollow]

i mean, to follow english guides and to search for mods on market is pretty easy

[prime scarab]

Yeah I get it but man thats an odd design choice

[fresh hollow]

when i want to farm an arcane to sell its hard to find cause its the only thing translated and its not a direct translation

it changes it meaning

[prime scarab]

Hm. That does seem like a problem. DE should fix that.

Like I get why they didn't translate the mods for that exact reason

Anyway, does anyone know what a decent riven looks like for a furis on Nyx?

[fresh hollow]

like, it must be the right translation but it uses such differene words that is hard to find, meelee influence its almost the same but melee afflictions turn into: martirio

[velvet pulsar]

Critical Damage & multishot

Major 2 options

[prime scarab]

CD, huh?

MS I understand but isn't it mostly a fire stacker? Is Crit damage that big?

[velvet pulsar]

U asked for Nyx

[old marsh]

always

[prime scarab]

oh right innate crit chance

[velvet pulsar]

Exactly

[prime scarab]

Yeah that makes sense, good call

[wary forge]

I don’t think Nyx would change the rolls that u would want it to much ideally cc,cd,ms,heat,status chance,base dmg, fire rate all good positives

[velvet pulsar]

In cases other than Nyx, or other frames with CC boosting abilities, Furis incarnon naturally won't reach 100% CC even with a corrupted mod, so in that case rivens with CC helps to reach the 100% threshold.

Or if u r running a hound or Diriga primer spreading puncture procs everywhere, then it gets pushed to 100%.

[wary forge]

It’s really good with Diriga because of its evo where if u hit enemies with electric on them u get up to 120% Ms

[velvet pulsar]

Same reason for hound

[wary forge]

Yep

[prime scarab]

I am running a hound, yeah. Felt like if I was gonna run it on anyone she was a good choice.

[violet silo]

I recommend it for an additional noncombining status

you can mod corrosive

it has innate tox

[civic shore]

Guys what are some good secondary irradiate weapons for nyx?

[viscid bane]

Do I care too much about Hound heat inherit stuff I'm mostly playing casual SP and shoot things until they're dead anyway?

[hexed lodge]

Which wf are you using to be concerned about heat inherit?

[viscid bane]

It's mostly from weapon dmg

i also have basically zero idea how heat inherit works. Only know something about the damage from DoT scaling from the damage of the hit that porcced the first heat status

[hexed lodge]

gotcha, for casual SP it shouldn't be noticeable.
If it's too much trouble, then just remove the heat mod from the hound

[viscid bane]

I would but that way Contagious bond pretty much doesnt proc. My hound doesnt get kills at all without it. i know they are mostly used for priming but still

[hexed lodge]

Question, do you use Bane mods?

[viscid bane]

no, hate them

[chrome badge]

theyre the bane of Tardys existence

muehehehehe

[hexed lodge]

Then it doesn't matter, heat should work fine on either you and your companion

[hollow scarab]

im aware the riven can use some rolling but i need help making this feel better cuz rn it kills but it just feels off

[viscid bane]

Swap PPP for CO, replace shocking touch with Organ Shatter, you get elec from riven anyway

Also weeping wounds/galv elementalist is better over melee prowess

[eternal glacier]

Anyone have a level cap build for ash prime?

[glass moon]

https://overframe.gg/build/196845/ash-prime/wrathful-blades-ash-red-crit-bladestorm-melee-platform-one-shot-levelcap/

[hollow scarab]

noted

[west radish]

is this build fire

i havent gotten an aswer last tiem

[fierce lark]

tenacious bond implies you're using verglas, yes?

with riven presumably

[viscid bane]

I'd replace Guardian with contagious bond for the kill wave if using verglas

[fierce lark]

verglas really wants fired up

[shut sapphire]

How is my 0 forma trinity

It's crit maxing

[fierce lark]

i thought trinity was a healing frame

seems weird to invest so heavily into shields

[shut sapphire]

I thought that was the way to go lol

[hushed narwhal]

lol

[wary forge]

What am I supposed to be looking at

[hushed narwhal]

ummmmmmmm

[wary forge]

500 kills in 27 minutes

https://tenor.com/view/sonbrero-son-son-mex-gif-1285422441794171261

[prime scarab]

light work

I can break 500 in like...sub 4 minutes wyd

[viscid bane]

They prob just did huge damage cap numbers a couple of times

[hushed narwhal]

I was leveling up a gun, but I looked over and realized that I did 99% and this guy did one percent even though he does more damage than me

[fierce lark]

are you playing follie

[prime scarab]

He probably just hit dmg cap a couple times, yeah

[low leaf]

question, does anyone have a good build for nidus using the strain set?

[hushed narwhal]

nope i was doing 1200

[west radish]

not using verglass

im not using him for shooting at all

just cc for tenicous bond or smth

[viscid bane]

how are you activating synth deconstruct then?

[west radish]

you know

he is shoting just

not primign or anything

[wary forge]

I got no clue how u have 99% and the other guy has 1%

That’s definitely pretty interesting

[viscid bane]

With what? no assault mode or coolant leak

[west radish]

mental damage

[viscid bane]

That doesn't work unfortunately

[fierce lark]

the first step would be to replace something with assault mode so that your companion is actually shooting enemies

either mod your verglas prime to do big dam, or get a tazicor and use it for priming. if you do the latter (or verglas without a riven), remove tenacious bond for either fired up, primed animal instinct, sacrifice or duplex bond

or just swap it for assault and keep guardian

if you really want to use both tenacious and reinforced bond then you should probably switch to panzer

[west radish]

wait so hes not shooting at all like nada?

no way

remove cordon put assult mode

[fierce lark]

correct, sentinels will only do what their precept mods tell them to do

if nothing is telling it to shoot, it won't shoot

[west radish]

damnnnn

wait so why am i even using senintels in the first place

i forgot

[fierce lark]

sentinels always sit by your warframe, so they're more predictable in what they're shooting, and in some cases more importantly they're shooting what you're shooting

[fierce lark]

i use panzer generally, diriga for melee setups, wyrm prime with tazicor if im using a multico gun

[west radish]

ah i remember

i put augur mod on burst prime for shieldgating

does tthat even work tho?

[fierce lark]

ye

[west radish]

goat

[west radish]

is this preventing death?

when you get oneshot or smth

[viscid bane]

yes

[west radish]

damn

[west radish]

fast swap to operator and your good to go

[viscid bane]

You'll still need to wait for vulpy to ressurect itself

[west radish]

maxed out bite jeez

[west radish]

killing eximus units and stuff

is there like a guide explainin in which compainon is the best at

[viscid bane]

Doesnt work with panzer devolution

[fierce lark]

panzer deevolution locks his respawn to 30s

with no way to improve it

[west radish]

damn

[fierce lark]

because he never actually dies

[west radish]

gotta remove that mod then

[fierce lark]

you get better uptime typically with prime regen + momentous bond

[viscid bane]

But on the bright side buffs like tenatious and reinforced bond are still active when it's a larva (dead)

[fierce lark]

im running deevolution because it keeps your bond buffs active while he's dead, and continues to viral prime things

[west radish]

oh yeah thats goated

sadly you cant equip prime regen on panzer

[viscid bane]

Hounds/Diriga for Priming, Vulpy for viral specifically and buff uptime, dethcube for energy generation, Wyrm for status negation (good bye PSF), Nautilus for killing

[viscid bane]

Don't need to, he's always active

even when dead

[west radish]

so this works like shieldgate meaning i can basically spam it if i manage to get manifold bond proc constantly?

[viscid bane]

since he doesnt actually die

[west radish]

yeah that larva trhing

[viscid bane]

Yes, but if you're running Catalyzing shields or using mods like Capitance/harrow's 1/mag's 4 to instantly get full overshields then it's worse

[west radish]

why

im using cat shields

[viscid bane]

Overshields give more shield gate window

[west radish]

but

what if i dont get overshield

[viscid bane]

with descirbed methods and others that that are in the game you always get overshields

[west radish]

like lets say

i use volt 2 for shieldgate

when my shields are dead i just get 80% of my shields up

[viscid bane]

youdon't use his 2 to shield gate you use 4

[west radish]

not full not overshield

i have 4 susbsumed for nourish

[viscid bane]

theless shieldsyou have when you gate the less the shield gate window is

[west radish]

but cat shields

[viscid bane]

If you're using active shield gate then guardian is usless

[viscid bane]

Cat shields?

[west radish]

catalyzing shields

[viscid bane]

itonly multiplies the gate window

[west radish]

is gaurdian ability?

and if it is whats the cooldown

[viscid bane]

yes

[west radish]

30s cooldown okay

technically i would be able to shieldaget with it if i kill many many enemies

cus gaurdian will be always available no?

[surreal bane]

what do you guys run on sevagoth if you dont want to use his 4?

[west radish]

shock trooper

[viscid bane]

yea you need to kill 6 enemies that have 3+ statuses

[west radish]

thats so easy in sp

yo i will deadass try to remove catalyzing shields and augur mod and try this alone

AY THIS WORKS XD

[valid latch]

What 5 weapons are best with arcane hot shot

[west radish]

i got less hp than my companion

[novel bear]

Cat shields makes it so you always get the same gate

[west radish]

1.33s

[novel bear]

And guardian isn’t useless if you’re active gating, it’s still a free gate

[west radish]

im legit never dying bro

if i jsut put any augur mod im good to go

i dont even need cat shields

[unique brook]

opinions chat? makeshift build

[viscid bane]

So I decided to screw around with Denial and Audit precepts a bit and now my hound outdamages me wtf

[viscid bane]

I mean yea but I find there tons of mods that are more useful then this

[formal glade]

how does acid shell for sobek work?
like it does spread and do damage but it only work on infest enemy

[viscid bane]

Works on any enemy. When they die the explode dealing 600+45% of their total Hp as damage

[formal glade]

i know but for whatever reason only infested work but not other faction

[viscid bane]

WHich is incredibly broken on Saryn/oraxia/Cyte since italso triggers their abilities (toxin procs)

[viscid bane]

That shouldt be the case. Build?

[formal glade]

oh wait it does but it so unnoticeable

like i do 1 to 1.4 mill on an infested eximus but not other

[viscid bane]

What frame areyou using iton?

[formal glade]

rhino

[novel bear]

Not really
Most sentinels easily have room to slot it

[violet silo]

doesn’t work on rhino

lol

[viscid bane]

well here's your problem

[formal glade]

wdym?

[violet silo]

acid shells only works that well when abilities make it

[formal glade]

i meant as a stand alone gun

[violet silo]

then don’t run acid shells

[viscid bane]

it only works with specific abilities, such as toxic lash,silken stride etc. Without them acid shell builds are very underwhelming

[novel bear]

Acid shells does a percentage of an enemy’s total health
Infested are only health, so rhino can easily make it work for them
Corpus have shields, so rhino will struggle
Against armor, rhino acid shells will do basically nothing

[formal glade]

then how the hell did i one shot SP lv100 infested eximus?

[novel bear]

Acid shells isn’t increasing the damage against enemies you’re shooting

It does damage when enemies die

[formal glade]

but i do like 1 to 1.5 mill per enemy that explode

infested

[novel bear]

Because infested are only health

[violet silo]

acid shells only works with
cyte
saryn
oraxia
uriel
garuda (with subsume)
nova (with subsume)
zephyr (with subsume)
xaku (barely)

[viscid bane]

that's because infested enemies have stupid amounts of HP but no shields or armor

[novel bear]

Acid shells not great on cyte, oraxia, or uriel either without someone else buffing with roar

[violet silo]

not true

[formal glade]

oh ok so that why its so effective on gabbi

[novel bear]

Yes
Works on corpus and infested, not great with armor

[violet silo]

acid shells works perfectly on cyte and oraxia, uriel has heat inherit problems

[violet silo]

cyte doesn’t need roar, just run shock trooper and elec shards
it does enough

[mighty flare]

garuda doesnt need subsume

[wary forge]

Interesting

[violet silo]

true. I should say better with subsume

[chrome quartz]

Pls help what do i replace

[mighty flare]

all are better with subsumes

[violet silo]

garuda’s almost operates on the level of the dot extra hit frames with xata tho

if not on the same level

[viscid bane]

Remove theif's wit, Vitality, Fiber and uprgade other mods instead

[chrome quartz]

Should i add Blind Rage and Transient Fortitude

[viscid bane]

Specifically upgrade Intestify, Streamline and Flow

[violet silo]

duration is mandatory

[viscid bane]

Blind Rage

or actually

[chrome quartz]

Does it mattee which slot?

[viscid bane]

neither

[violet silo]

not fortitude, and not rage unless you have his augment.

[chrome quartz]

Well i got told to use those for speed

[viscid bane]

https://overframe.gg/build/591347/gauss-prime/electromagnetic-accelerator-general-use-sp-gauss-hybrid-weapon-platform-sunder-nuke/

[mighty flare]

sadly no lol

[novel bear]

And still significantly worse than saryn

[viscid bane]

use base versions of mods instead of primed ones

[violet silo]

yeah
maybe on the same level as uriel, or close

[violet silo]

at level cap maybe

but faction mods still exist

[novel bear]

Yeah, and saryn is running 300% strength and a faction mod

[near vortex]

I think Cyte is better actually
Could be wrong

Once they fix resupply again ofc

[violet silo]

potential to get more kills but less dmg

[violet silo]

did it bug again

[near vortex]

It's always bugged

[novel bear]

Cyte can shoot through walls, but does much less damage without roar

[fierce lark]

clients will never get to play the same videogame

[violet silo]

nah it was good for a while

[mighty flare]

its like
Cyte > Saryn > Uriel > Oraxia > Garuda/Zephyr

[viscid bane]

Reason why I play solo 95% of the time

[violet silo]

yeah but he still kills more things

[near vortex]

I don't think Uriel is that high
Oraxia over Uriel

[chrome quartz]

So like i asked for mods while trading to get my gauss faster and they gave. Me fhis

[fierce lark]

sobek platforms? i don’t see how uriel is better than rax

[violet silo]

saryn doing overkill amounts of dmg is kinda irrelevant

[near vortex]

Uriel can't do roar without subsuming over demonium

[violet silo]

cyte kills more and that’s the important part

[novel bear]

Oraxia can do damage vulnerability at least

[fierce lark]

heat shells kill kinda slow and you can’t buff them with shards

[violet silo]

also has heat inherit problems, so much passive heat kills mods

from his demons generally

[mighty flare]

neither are particularly great sure, would put them together like garuda/zephyr

[violet silo]

oraxia is noticeably better imo

[viscid bane]

Just use the build I linked. You'll still be fast af but can actually do stuff besides just running. If you don't have primed mods that the build is using use regular versions of those mods

[mighty flare]

eh

both are overrated

[chrome quartz]

What if i use the mods i mentioned what would happen

[fierce lark]

oraxia has what saryn has but can’t equip roar

uriel can’t equip roar either

[undone dust]

rawr

[west radish]

rawr

[viscid bane]

you just run tiny bit faster but allyour other stuff will be a lot worse

[mighty flare]

are ppl that afraid of bane mods

[chrome quartz]

Alright then im gonna test the speed now

[undone dust]

yes

[fierce lark]

yes

[undone dust]

if you were a bane mod id throw a rock at your head

[mighty flare]

why we rating sobek performance off worse builds then

[viscid bane]

ALso upgrade your mods

[chrome quartz]

I upgraded the ones u told me to

[mighty flare]

same thing here

[violet silo]

yeah, but oraxia has dmg vuln, shards, primary blight and crepuscular, doesn’t operate on short buffs that you have to run around to collect, and doesn’t lose dmg from heat inherit

[fierce lark]

silken stride is better then toxic lash btw

it just can’t equip roar alongside

[undone dust]

yeah but no melee so shut up idiot

[mighty flare]

oh my

[undone dust]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-angry-furious-fuming-mad-gif-17841869167183441241

[mighty flare]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[fierce lark]

or not “better” but the number is bigger

unless there’s something im missing with lash

[mighty flare]

stick behind ur words man

[violet silo]

yeah, meats didn’t even say anything

[undone dust]

zuck's sheer aura is making bro rethink

[fierce lark]

basically

like they function the same and stride says 40% lash says 30

other than roar what am i missing

[undone dust]

okay mr numerical values

[fierce lark]

do they not calculate the same?

[viscid bane]

Speakingof Numerical values, I've always wonderd what does the full damage formula looks like

[chrome quartz]

@viscid bane thank u very much its way better

[mighty flare]

dmg vuln doesnt work on og, but fetch-quest/short timer is annoying yea, can't disagree

tho rating sobek users without using banes is like shooting someone in the foot while saryn gets a 1min headstart

doesnt really make sense

[fierce lark]

iirc the damage formula for toxic lash spread on acid shells is

( modded elemental x faction) x
(modded toxin x faction) x
faction x status dmg

where faction dmg dips 3 times and toxin dmg dips twice

[undone dust]

im dippin

[fierce lark]

im assuming oraxia’s 4 calculates acid shells the same way

[violet silo]

hey I wasn’t rating em without banes

[west radish]

how do youy change index coins colour on the ground

i can barfely see them

[flint swallow]

Could someone help me build my valkyr prime, I’m early SP

[viscid bane]

WHich build would you prefer?

[viscid bane]

here's mine that I took to level cap. You should have all of those mods if you're early SP, if not use base ones

[flint swallow]

Thanks

[icy urchin]

planning on making a catchmoon secondary kitgun for yareli just cus i enjoy the gun as a primary what parts would you people recommend

[placid seal]

Help

[mighty flare]

Secondary Catchmoon runs Haymaker with Splat (high crit, low status chance, shorter reload) or Macro Thymoid (balanced crit/status chance, long reload)

[icy urchin]

is the secondary catchmoons battery recharge thing as awful as the primary?

cus i have a sporelacer secondary with macro thymoid and just rely on that to make it feel less bad, but if the battery is bad ill just run splat

[mighty flare]

if you hate the reload timers, i'd recommend splat or killstream then
about same stats, splat has +mag size for longer reload, while killstream has -mag size for shorter reload

[novel bear]

Almost 3s with thymoid

[icy urchin]

yeah my primary catchmoon has a reload speed and ammo issue kinda but i resolved that through modding

and i think im running tremor and stitch on that which is probably why

but i also kinda dont wanna run battery either way cus i like seeker a lot so yeah ill avoid thymoid

also other question cus its kinda a specific scenario lmao, can i run the same riven on my primary and secondary catchmoon

[bold warren]

Does anyone have a Khora Prime Build with Temple’s Subsume on?

Also @violet silo can I see that nuke Gauss Build?

[novel bear]

Why?

[bold warren]

I got told it could work and I’m interested to see how it’d be built?

[novel bear]

Not really

[undone dust]

strangledome eeYUCK

[bold warren]

?

[bold warren]

Could you explain please

[novel bear]

Khora ragdolls enemies, but not that well
And ragdoll alone doesn’t make pyrotechnics good

Khora is an odd choice of frame for that when many others would do it better

[bold warren]

So who does like Pyrotechnics Subsume

[novel bear]

Mostly nezha

Mag can use it I think

[undone dust]

hydroid is funny

[bold warren]

TY

[brittle sleet]

Ragdoll abuse, status abuse, and weapon damage abuse are Pyrotechnics's main things going for it. Random as hell but Limbo is notable with the ability as well since his augment that boosts weapon damage makes Pyrotechnics a decent damage ability for him

Personally more partial to Null Star abuse on him though

[solar karma]

hey, I'm a new tenno and can someone help me get a build with my 2 frames, primary weapon, secondary weapon and melee weapon please?

[slim stratus]

Whats ya frames?

[pastel temple]

60 per second

[solar karma]

mag, and excalibur. I got mods from somebody but its getting a lil hard to kill eneimes and i have to revive like 2 time minimum every mission.

[slim stratus]

Enitley depends on what those mods are, if you have to keep reviving yourself then ill have to ask if those mods are upgraded or alternativley we throw on some mods to increase your sheild and hp

[solar karma]

yes, i have some upgraded

and what about my weapons? is that bad too?

[slim stratus]

I- I dont know what youre running my man 😭
If ya feel like it send a screen shot of what you have and Ill lyk

[solar karma]

these are my warframes im going to send weapons too

oh yea, for my weapons i have three configs too

one for each enemy

grineer,infected, and ccorpus

[slim stratus]

pure respect on the early forma play.
because youre leveling up your frames again I reccomend just doing auto mod untill they're about lvl 20 or higher so you can actually use the mods with them upgraded

[solar karma]

ok, also i dnt really understand mods like tht lol

[slim stratus]

youll also need a potato down the line to double your mod capacity if youre running the big 3 (intensify, transient fortitiude, & streamline)

[solar karma]

ok, i have one

should i use it?

[slim stratus]

dw lol, im still considered a baby tenno and ive been playing for a while

[solar karma]

lollll

[slim stratus]

entirely up to you, later in the game youll have more oppurtunities to get them ofc as well- youll get them over time. so you just have to pick either or on how to put the potato on lol

[solar karma]

ok, ima put it on now.

should i put it on mag or excalibur?

[slim stratus]

again entirely on you lol, personally from what I can see you play Excaliber more so slap it on him

[solar karma]

ok. Yea, i just built mag lol

[slim stratus]

also how far are you into the game

enemy level wise?

[solar karma]

the highest on the planet im on now is 20

[slim stratus]

hmm.....................................

[solar karma]

i havee mercury, mars, earth, venus, deimos, phobos, jupiter and just unlocked saturn

[bold warren]

Why Streamline over Fleeting Expertise / I assume I can use Continuity whilst waiting on Primed?

[slim stratus]

may i see the weapons youre running?

[solar karma]

can i call yu and screen share?

bc i havee different mods also for each weapon

(configs)

[slim stratus]

gimme a sec

[solar karma]

ok

fyi tho i am still a minor just in case if you needed to know that. bc i experienced some ppl dont like being on a call with young ppl

[slim stratus]

before we call, bc youre still fighting lvl 20s i recommend just to have a general use for now, as the damage youre outputting isnt really affected by the whatever % change just yet

[solar karma]

wdym a general use

mb im a lil slow

[slim stratus]

instead of having mods that boost damage against a certain enemy faction, have a mod that will add status or increase critical chance/dmg

[solar karma]

ok

[slim stratus]

when you get further into the game then feel free to use certain arrangments for differrent factions

[solar karma]

ok

[slim stratus]

and im good to call 👍

[prime scarab]

Real talk they are super strong but also even realer talk....

I have never found them necessary

When you get to the end game you're hitting multi millions anyway so I've always found the faction mods are more vanity numbers on most builds

You're still nuking rooms without them.

The exception is murmur to level cap. It can really be noticeable there, in my experience. If you're not going to level cap, though? Eh.

[violet silo]

are you joking

or serious

[bold warren]

Serious?

[violet silo]

as for continuity go ahead

[warm obsidian]

Mecha set for Lavos any good?

[prime scarab]

Fleeting tanks your duration

[bold warren]

I see

[violet silo]

negative duration, especially -60%, is possibly the worst thing u could run on gauss

[bold warren]

Thank you

[drowsy drum]

Is tripple umbra on Grendel good?

[opal leaf]

He want that

[prime scarab]

Hey Nyx players:

What incarnon are you guys using as your movement melee stick, if you're using one?

I'm building Ruvox but considering Okina.

[old marsh]

Okina. Not even a question

[prime scarab]

Does the 30% from Okina apply AFTER the reduction from Assimilate, or does it apply before and still get reduced?

[old marsh]

Before

[tidal silo]

Anyone have advice for a good build to go in for whispers in the wall netracell quest? I'm stuck

Sorry if I'm not asking the right question, I'm new.

[violet silo]

depends on frames

[tidal silo]

I primarily use use Wisp but I have Valkyr and Jade

[prime scarab]

Okay, finally just finished rank 4 ruvox and man I gotta say, Okina does not feel as good as this.

Ruvox's extra double jump gives her an unexpected forward momentum compared to her regular jump so you can very very easily clear gaps that would otherwise require her to drop 4 and put it back on.

The extra height lets you jump roll spam more smoothly too.

Okina is faster but Idk if thats better than this

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[prime scarab]

Now to finish my Lavos grind and put vial rush over her chaos

ZOOM

[latent adder]

yes always ruvox

[prime scarab]

Yeah the second jump has stronger physics than her base one, its noticeable

[latent adder]

its also 60% movement speed

vs okina at 30%

[prime scarab]

Hm?

It has movement speed? I don't see that

oh the combo one

[latent adder]

30% movement speed at 6x combo, 60% movement at 12x

[prime scarab]

yeah that one is nice for bursts of speed

[latent adder]

its basically permanent

u can crescendo or use galv reflex

i use ruvox slam on nyx to hit like 50,000% mind control too

[prime scarab]

So if I build up 12, and have initial combo of 12, and then just don't heavy attack I never have to do anything it just stays as 12? No decay?

[latent adder]

yes

[prime scarab]

Oh yeah that is nice.

I can do that easily too just punch for a while at start of mission with 4 up

I admittedly don't mess much with her mind control yet. I play her primarily weapons.

I don't enjoy a ton of weapon platforms but something about her psychic bolts just really grabs me aesthetically

(plus eleanor)

I need to pick a primary for her as my last thing. She's pretty solid in my companion, warframe, secondary, and melee, but I never really feel the need to use a gun that isn't Furis

[fleet shore]

Wassup yall ima New player, n wanted to know if Grendel or sevagoth any good?

[prime scarab]

Sevagoth is the classic ability nuke and he is fine

but Grendel? Man...Grendel is the best.

I love that guy

Meatball is in my top 5 consistently

[fleet shore]

Bet I been waiting Grendel forever n I might main him

I love the moveset n it’s too fun gotta find a build

[prime scarab]

He is a classic arcane persistence user

Just get armor to 700, health as high as you can get it, gastro and hearty nourish augs, hunter adrenaline for easy energy, and the rest is comfort.

He likes green tox shards and ability cast shards

I have pretty off meta build for him because I max him out on speed for fun but the bones are pretty much the same on all his good builds

[north peak]

just dont use your vomit ability when Malice (the frost acolyte that casts a bubble on you) shows up

[prime scarab]

Or do, just to see what happens

[fleet shore]

Gotcha

lol 😂 what happens?

[prime scarab]

Every Grendel main has to do it at least once

[fleet shore]

lol well I got too now

[north peak]

i'll save you the mystery: you can hit yourself and permanently reduce your own armor to 0 for the rest of the mission

[prime scarab]

Malice reverses your effects so you strip your own armor

[fleet shore]

Damn the whole mission?

[old marsh]

Thematically Coda Synapse
But in general any primary that wants another Crit delay works for her

[north peak]

the whole mission

[prime scarab]

I think rezzing using a charge fixes it too

But getting rezed by ally doesnt

[prime scarab]

I might mess around and put Shedu on her. I like that gun's aesthetic.

[fleet shore]

Any weapons I should be on the lookout for? I’m rocking naturak bow and scindo prime rn kinda indifferent bout it

[prime scarab]

Grendel doesn't really need a gun but I run a Tenet Glaxion on him. He brings his own viral so I just use it to burn down groups I don't wanna spit on.

One of the key things to get in the habit of as a Grendel is knowing when to hold on to people in your gut because they give you armor.

And if you have 2 or fewer people in your stomach you're susceptible to being knocked out of arcane persistance range

3 or more and you're generally gonna be fine

[fleet shore]

Keep eating and stay full lol 😂 got it

[prime scarab]

And spit on people

Spitting makes you strong

You also wanna split time between ball mode and not ball mode. Ball mode doesn't get animation locked while casting eat, but not-ball mode lets you have your gun out for those moments where you do need to shoot stuff.

[fleet shore]

Yes Grendel main for sure

[prime scarab]

I personally am in ball mode all the time but if you're gonna do a subsume then you would replace his ball usually

[fleet shore]

What’s subsume?

[prime scarab]

Oh you're NEW new

Subsume is a feature you'll get access to later that lets you put abilities from one frame onto others

So you can put Rhino's roar on to him for example

[fleet shore]

So to be real haven’t touched this game since 2017 fr

I jsut logged back on like a week ago n been grinding heavy but dnt know terms n shi rn

Ima og player tho

[bitter drum]

does anyone have an Innodem build based on the projectiles it shoots out when you’re in the air?

[fleet shore]

Oo subsume is the helmets thing I’ve been hearing about?

[prime scarab]

Helminth yeah

anyway check out me and pookie

[fleet shore]

lol yea I got u, but why the roar I saw someone use ophanim eyes too but the ball is fun and broken lol 😂

[fleet shore]

U snapped fr colors go crazy?

[prime scarab]

Eh, just black and white. I'm pretty monochrome when I fashion lol

[fleet shore]

Same it’s ok 😂

[storm patrol]

What elements would yall build on an innate electric weapon? I wanna build the quatz because it’s fun but don’t know where to take it because my go to combos can’t be done

[late ice]

Need help with my kullervo build, i keep running out of energy

[mighty flare]

take off blind rage

[prime scarab]

Looking it over I think I need my primary to deal with attenuation enemies on Nyx more than anything since those are all my Furis will suffer on.

Do any of the coda primaries fit that bill? I don't think Hema or Bassocyst would given their niche but I haven't played the other three.

Vadarya Prime also looks interesting aesthetically but IDK how good it is?

[velvet pulsar]

MS + FR weapons

Also I have an odd theory that attenuation gets nerfed when you aren't shooting

[chrome badge]

yep

[prime scarab]

Idk that this is a theory. It ramps up from the moment you start hitting them, doesn't it?

So if you stop hitting them it stops ramping, then resets

[chrome badge]

except theres no indicator telling you the attenuation reset

so keep on shooting

-# /j

[spice wadi]

How do you like, properly build Gauss prime IN THEORY

Because his battery scales his abilities right?

So in theory if I put strength on him, what buff will it add?

[mighty flare]

strength does little for gauss

its mostly duration you care about since it prolongs the amount of time you can stay at 100% batter, among other things

[delicate yew]

Riven one or 2?

Damn, forgot is in portuguese

[violet silo]

not much

only relevant with his 3 augment

duration is a priority

in fact you can basically dump strength in a nuke build

in a gun build, just use transfer

[novel bear]

Unless you subsume roar, then you want strength

[violet silo]

well

in a nuke build, you can use molt augmented to make up for the -60% without building for str

making it neutral

[fierce lark]

neutral strength only matters if you’re not using aegis

[violet silo]

eh, good for roar

roar is great for sunder nuking

[fierce lark]

roar only matters if you’re doing weapon platform

and it you’re doing that then you want giga high strength regardless

sunder nuke will do its thing with or without roar

[quiet laurel]

roar also matters for nuking

[violet silo]

thank you

roar is the best subsume you could run for sunder nuking

sunder nuke will do way better with roar

[fierce lark]

id rather run silence

[quiet laurel]

ok what

[violet silo]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-unamused-sad-somacguffin-somac-gif-15629876605381114210

theres no way im being told whats good or bad for gauss by a player who's subsuming silence on a nuke build

that was kinda rude, sorry

but SILENCE?

[fierce lark]

okay before i go any further with hypotheticals (i haven’t bothered to subsume anything onto my nuke build because lazy) what are you doing to gain str for roar

[violet silo]

molt

augmented

[fierce lark]

is that the only thing

[violet silo]

yeah
could use sling strength ig

[prime scarab]

wont that just put you to neutral at best?

[violet silo]

yep, good enough

[fierce lark]

like is neutral str roar enough, in practice, to cut off an entire sunder cast for nukes?

[violet silo]

idk how many casts do u usually do

[velvet pulsar]

I'm talking about hitting the enemy even when not shooting

[fierce lark]

anything below lvlcap dies in 2 heats and lvlcap trash die in 3

[quiet laurel]

roar will be a pretty big difference even at neutral str
and even then you can go smth like umbral int + augmented
you dont need to duration max for a nuke build and you have the augment slot from the weapons platform build as well

[fierce lark]

some base sp enemies die in 1 heat

[ornate cosmos]

howzit?

[velvet pulsar]

Like Coda Catabolyst reload grenades.

[prime scarab]

Yeah this is my experience too

[novel bear]

Neutral strength will do more for nuking than duration maxxing
Especially with roar

[ornate cosmos]

also funny thing
you can swap polarities with the aura slot now

[fierce lark]

silence is just qol, it turns off violence and a bunch of eximus things, but i haven’t bothered to try a dmg subsume like roar as i haven’t noticed any issues with kpm

[novel bear]

Why do you care about violence with gauss

[ornate cosmos]

does not work with melees

[violet silo]

yeah, i'd say neutral strength roar brings that down, most things die in 1 heat

[fierce lark]

but if it’s consistently reducing the amount of sunders needed across all lvls then fair enough

[violet silo]

once molt is built up

[fierce lark]

same reason as on anyone else, i get silenced and die irl

[novel bear]

That’s why you have a gun
To shoot him

[fierce lark]

im not saying silence is anything crazy but i didn’t think roar was either tbf

[novel bear]

Roar double dips every cast
So two heat casts means it quadruple dips

[ornate cosmos]

what about xata's whisper

[violet silo]

not relevant here

[quiet laurel]

yeah nah xatas doesnt do shi

[ornate cosmos]

i heard it double dips on smth

[velvet pulsar]

Thermal Transfer weapon platform.

[fierce lark]

xata’s is op on blast transfer but it’s useless on nuke

[quiet laurel]

it does on blast

[ornate cosmos]

fun

[violet silo]

not to mention archon vitality and doubled heat dmg from redline

[quiet laurel]

and headshot and stealth mulipliers

[velvet pulsar]

Xata only affects weapons.

[novel bear]

Lash effects are good, to no one’s surprise

[violet silo]

yep

imagine if you could subsume resupply

that shit would be terrifying

[rain pulsar]

would anyone be able to help me with my kuva sobek build? im not sure if its only good when synergized with saryn or like oraxia but im having trouble killing sp enemies, its a 32% heat

[novel bear]

You should be able to kill enemies with it, just can’t nuke

[violet silo]

well heat is alr a problem, but lets see the build

[novel bear]

Post build

[rain pulsar]

ive seen people go magnetic on it but idk what the best element to go for is

[fierce lark]

immediately we see 3 different sources of base damage, not great

elementalist on a weapon doing very low amounts of status damage

[novel bear]

And acid shells without a lash frame

[fierce lark]

raw acid shells does very very little damage

[novel bear]

It does damage for infested

[fierce lark]

needs a lash-type buff to carry across enemies

[rain pulsar]

whats a lash type buff

[fierce lark]

buffs that apply a separate instance of damage with a guaranteed dot

saryn 3, oraxia 4, cyte's resupply buffs, uriel 3 passive

[novel bear]

Toxic lash, xata’s whisper, silken stride, resupply, demonium

Xata’s is bad for it because it doesn’t do a dot

[quiet laurel]

its usable on things like nova or zephyr

[fierce lark]

when you kill an enemy with one of these buffs active, the explosion from acid shells will apply that dot to every enemy it hits

[novel bear]

And you can use garuda’s 4 to make it do a slash proc

[fierce lark]

it works on zephyr because all of his tornadoes will inherit the acid shells effect when fired at, and each will apply their own instance of it to every enemy

which causes a lot of scaling max hp explosions that can then be buffed by roar etc (presumably)

[rain pulsar]

so what should i swap mod wise? take off elementalist and acid shells?

[violet silo]

xata's makes garuda, nova, and zephyr better tho
which is nice

[novel bear]

Wouldn’t roar be better for garuda?

[violet silo]

I actually dont know, havent seen a side-by-side test

and dont have her

[quiet laurel]

triple dip vs extra hit with no other special effect

[novel bear]

The reason garuda is bad for it, to my understanding, is that she needs to debuff enemies instead of buffing herself

[quiet laurel]

hmm I wonder

[fierce lark]

something something 72 billion garuda arguments of roar vs nourish

[novel bear]

Otherwise slash would be a very good proc for it, since it just ignores armor

[violet silo]

yep, its unfortunate

[quiet laurel]

this argument makes my brain hurt every time whenever an anti nourish larper tries to form arguments

[near vortex]

the 4 aug makes it a bit easier but yeah

[violet silo]

thats pretty funny actually, a high range platform

[near vortex]

you run high range Garuda anyway

the build isn't different unless you blood forge somewhere

[quiet laurel]

well subsume is different

normally you run nourish

but if you wanna sobek you wanna go roar

[mighty flare]

just slot a bane mod highkey

xata + bane > roar

[quiet laurel]

BANES???

https://tenor.com/view/what-am-i-looking-at-cat-confused-gif-25251297

banes in my game nahhh

universal bane when 😔

[fierce lark]

banes when they don't work on half the factions

[rain pulsar]

im still not sure what to do mod wise

[novel bear]

Take off point blank and acid shells
Add crit mods

[rain pulsar]

i took off my viral stuff and put more heat stuff

ok

[latent adder]

xata is better for garuda than roar

[old charm]

Have you ever seen an issue where Xata’s halves the damage?

[latent adder]

nope?

[violet silo]

ror

[violet silo]

oh, it is? what does it do?

that's better, I mean

[latent adder]

the xata's instance of damage procs slash from 4 but inherits all the elemental mods on the weapon since xata's takes that

if u add a bane mod the resulting slash proc therefore triple dips the faction

[violet silo]

neat

[latent adder]

i have a feeling if u add acid shells into the mix u get quadruple dip faction mod lmao

[violet silo]

I would say I was right but I wasnt very confident on it at all anyways
@quiet laurel this is for u tho

[violet silo]

ooo

[quiet laurel]

didnt think about xatas reproccing slash tbh

but makes sense

[violet silo]

yeah, any damage instance that isnt a DoT does it iirc

[velvet pulsar]

And then there's Koumei with her extra hit corrosive decree

The least reliable one

[polar knoll]

which one guys?

[fierce lark]

the first one, but either the 60 versions of viral mods (or primed convulsion instead of cold), primed gambit instead of hornet strike and casc flare/deadhead instead of enervate

or fortifier if you want more damage vs eximus

and free og

[fresh plume]

anybody got a tenet glaxion build?

[fleet veldt]

Anyone got comments on this?

[opal leaf]

Is sttength necessary for Mag?

Or just go pure range and dura on her

[rancid mirage]

no if you js want to use mag for grouping but str make hers dmg multipler rlly strong so i recommend some str on mag

[fierce lark]

standard build, serration is a consideration over magnetic, will help when merciless doesn’t have stacks up

[opal leaf]

Guess neutral strength is better

[rancid mirage]

yea, some ppl go for hella str but I find that moderately high (130-199) pretty good

[opal leaf]

I see, so a blind rage would suffice

Is there a limit how much you can magnetize?

Targeted BTW)

[rancid mirage]

i don’t think so beside range limit and map density

Oh and you can only have like I think few bubbles

[mighty flare]

no, just a little bit is enough, check this out: https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1489188519929970838

[opal leaf]

I see

[rancid mirage]

i am ngl I feel like he doesn’t rlly play mag if that’s his build, or hes type of player to use guardian shell if frame doesn’t have strong survival ability

[novel bear]

Full strip with her 4 aug is a consideration

Though not super necessary

[opal leaf]

I read it

But the thing is it didn't told me about the hold Magnetize

How far does the blast go? (or release) as it seems to be... Not working?

[opal leaf]

But mecessary

[rancid mirage]

I say go for full strip, it helps as you don’t have to mod for corrosive

and str also makes magnetize amplifier stronger so

[mighty flare]

its base 15m within frontal cone, range increasing length

[novel bear]

Mag does have strong survivability though
Single cast of polarize fully refills shields

[mighty flare]

what

[novel bear]

Your only consideration for survivability is energy economy

[rancid mirage]

The build that meat linked has no ko protection and no status cleanse (rg)

its alr, but they didn’t even bother to put circumvent either

[mighty flare]

???

[opal leaf]

Wait there is an Aug to it?

[mighty flare]

did you read the guide

[novel bear]

Enemies that inflict meaningful statuses are very rare
Nox and toxic eximus are the only ones you really need to worry about

And they don’t show up in most popular endurance modes

[opal leaf]

Fck I did, but I must've missed some words

Hold on let me read it again

[rancid mirage]

I js think that you the build doesn’t have to be visble for lvl cap but it should have some qol feature instead of js stacking range str and durations

[opal leaf]

Oh it's on the bottom

[novel bear]

And I think rolling guard is very overrated

[opal leaf]

Aight I need the 4

[rancid mirage]

Like that doesn’t seem like the build of someone who would actually use mag on daily bases, bc I would drop the build if I have to self revive everytime I miss toxin eximus from back

it’s not horrible but doesn’t seem like he put care into the guide

[mighty flare]

what are you even talking about

[rancid mirage]

Its nice if you dont want to use wyrm for every squish frame

[rancid mirage]

If you don’t understand then ask what you don’t understand about it, saying that doesn’t rlly help me to readdress my comments

[inner raptor]

i use rolling guard mostly for the 3 sec oh shit time. i can at least recast or reset whatever defensive thingy i have