builds-discussion

[urban palm]

Oh I don't even meet trade cap daily lmao I just do a few radshares at most

[green gyro]

I have capped trades a total of 3 times

[old charm]

Hard to do with 38 daily trades

[green gyro]

you get 36 total but ye

[urban palm]

I know I'm not optimal and it's not like I need that much plat for anything

[green gyro]

made my acc in 2017

[old charm]

I have 38 😉

[urban palm]

But it's still wild hearing people make thousands a day

[green gyro]

how, lr6 is the highest rank

[old charm]

Founders get +2

[green gyro]

ah nice

[green gyro]

highest I've seen is 110k

110k pure profit in one day💀

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-me-too-same-same-david-rose-dan-levy-gif-19295178

Aug 2017

[old charm]

Personally, I got to the 30-40k range and have just floated there for a couple years now

[urban palm]

What do you even do lmao

[old marsh]

gaming

[old charm]

Outside of the ‘groll’ ghoulsaw riven I rolled a few weeks back, i only have literally one other thing listed right now on wfm

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-gambling-gamblecore-slots-addiction-gif-13719756177810728433

[urban palm]

I only ever just spend on potatoes slots and the occasional cosmetic so idk about platmaxxing I just want to know because I'm so curious

[old charm]

You roll rivens with a purpose, but if you get something profitable on the way, you sell it for a profit

You just have to roll the right weapons and know what’s worth stopping at to get another unrolled one

I just think about what I would pay for it as a consumer if the stats worked for a particular build

[old marsh]

sell prime parts. sell arcanes. sell mods. sell everything in excess u have. and then think about rivens when u r at that point

[novel bear]

Think I can sell a nataruk riven for a good price?

[old charm]

Probably not, its dispo is awful and there’s probably a lot of decent mid rolls

[old marsh]

get in line. i was here first

[old charm]

One way to check though, on wfm

[novel bear]

Mine is worse though

[old marsh]

mine has been sitting there for years

[novel bear]

Reload speed, damage to infested, plus recoil

[urban palm]

Man TIL the riven market is nuts lmfao

[old marsh]

going to sell mine for 50p

[old charm]

Unrolled for nataruk is 20p right now and people sell +2/-1 cc/cd rivens for as low as 200p

[urban palm]

How do I even tell if a riven is good though

[old charm]

Even a ms/fr is not selling at 40p right now

[old charm]

You can either rely on websites or learn buildcrafting

[old marsh]

depends entirely on 3 things. popularity, disposition and the stats

[modest vector]

i put prime point blank on the empty slot or do i put faction mod?

[green gyro]

basically it has to be able to replace mods

with enough extra benefit to justify the extra capacity drain

[novel bear]

Extra capacity is relatively easy to justify

[green gyro]

if it's one of the collector rolls (cd ms tox/fr/cc) etc it will sell regardless

[novel bear]

The hard part is being worth the slot

[green gyro]

yeah

[old charm]

Or being able to replace two slots

[urban palm]

Presumably they're better for adversary weapons then?

[green gyro]

well if it's a raw dmg shotgun/secondary it's actually a tough one cause they literally run out of capacity with every slot formad

[green gyro]

no. they almost always have 0.5 dispo

[novel bear]

Usually you’ll want it to do the same thing as a mod you already have on your build, plus some benefit

[inner raptor]

should I have kept range to 100 or even more range? current range is 21m, base range is 30m

[urban palm]

Oh lol

[novel bear]

I think there’s like two lich weapons with a dispo above 1

[green gyro]

well ogris rivens are cool

[novel bear]

Even the awful lich weapons that are barely used don’t have good dispos

[simple frost]

is voltaic strike fine?

[old charm]

My latest unicorn riven roll was a heat/cold/toxin/-slide nami solo riven that I’m using with melee afflictions or melee duplicate right now. You basically can’t get viral+heat on a melee without having a multi element riven or making pretty severe compromises by removing better mods

[green gyro]

and perfect karak rivens are the most expensive

[novel bear]

You can scam people with sobek rivens

[green gyro]

yep

sobek/ogris for use, karak/quartakk for collectors

karak can go into 6 figures

[urban palm]

Wait why not
Couldn't you just use like a lich weapon for viral+heat

[green gyro]

for unroll/good grades

[novel bear]

Median 80 plat for unrolled sobeks right now, lol

[green gyro]

you can, also melees have primed tox. idk what he's talking about or why he wants to use those weird builds

[old charm]

You can use the progenitor element to do stuff like that, but then you’re heavily weighing viral to heat since you’d basically have to use heat progen in that scenario

[green gyro]

viral heat isn't great on melees anyway

even if you don't want to use influence for whatever reason

[old charm]

Its very difficult to mod into because you need crazy rivens to do it efficiently

And most people just influence slop everything anyways

On most melee weapons, you get basically 2 mod slots to get damage and elements

[urban palm]

Imma be honest I don't even think too hard about melee elements because with some basic stuff like galv mods I'm doing like 80% squad damage on Kullervo or Valkyr 🤣

[inner raptor]

if your enemy doesnt die to a few melee hit, its bad - me a WA slopper

[urban palm]

I truly don't remember what elements are currently on my syam

[old charm]

On Nami Solo, you can get it to 363% status chance with standard WW and galv elementalist, and with the riven elemental weighing I have, its like 97.5% chance on heat with guaranteed viral. You can then stack that with afflictions on a block neutral or just use duplicate since you’re getting to like 97% cc% with galv steel and BR at a base 15%

Very very very niche

[green gyro]

ye or u equip influence and u hit one thing, room dead

[inner raptor]

wouldnt outsourcing viral be better

[green gyro]

it would, tazicor would be ideal

[old charm]

This isn’t about over optimizing by forcing yourself to use nourish or panzer, this is about unique tools and what you can do with buildcrafting, especially with specific riven rolls

[urban palm]

People really do be whaling for bespoke builds huh

[old charm]

In a scenario where you can stack 13-14 heat and 10 viral with a single hit of nami solo that hit in the +10M range, its a very unique tool to have

And obviously, its fun and different

[green gyro]

I hit more than that with just influence tho lol

[mighty flare]

97 final cc? dominion over creed?

[green gyro]

it's unique bro you wouldn't get it

[old charm]

You can do that, you’ve at least hitting twice for influence

[green gyro]

how are you applying viral

[old charm]

((120+440)*0.15)+15, whatever that comes out to

[urban palm]

I feel like riven buildcrafting is like having a degree lmao (I just like seeing funny unga bunga numbers with the angry Finnish man)

[green gyro]

it's not that complicated dw

just a few rules to remember

[versed harbor]

its not that complicated u just need to not cope

[old charm]

Its a lot of fun, but calculating out final cc% and sc% with breakpoints for specific elements is one of those super sweaty endgame type math things I enjoy doing

[urban palm]

What does cope even mean lmao

[novel bear]

Try to make a bad riven dispo work

[mighty flare]

i know how status chance calculating works, im questioning why you're taking the dominion evo over creed

[old charm]

Like Okina Prime Incarnon has an interesting choice between its cc/sc% evo versus sc% evo depending on if you have cc% more than just galv steel and BR

[novel bear]

Like buying sobek rivens

[versed harbor]

ye or like try to slot something with bad stats

[old charm]

I’m guessing you talking about the final evo cc/sc+cc/sc evo?

I don’t learn the names of the evolutions fyi, i learn their functions

[urban palm]

What's the status chance calculation we're talking about

[old charm]

If you have 100% final status chance and your damage makeup is like 600 heat and 400 slash damage for a final 1000 damage, you’re going to get a heat status 60% of the time and slash 40% of the time

But if you have 170% status chance and the same damage makeup, you have a 102% chance to proc heat, which is guaranteed

Status chance over 100% procs more than one status damage type, excluding forced ones

So on nami solo as probably one of the best examples, it has good base status chance but also two incarnon evolutions that give it sc%, a cc/sc% one and a higher just sc% one. You can calculate out whether you’re guaranteed to get the elemental status you want by calculating out the final status chance, and seeing if the element in question is close or over 100% chance

If you have a nami solo riven with +element% and equip the 90% or 165% primed elemental mod, then iirc, you can use the cc/sc% evo and get over 100% status chance on that element

If you have -slash on the riven, you can just go with cc% and get the same result

[novel bear]

I don’t think it’s 102% chance to proc heat, is it?
It’s two separate rolls, the 100% chance status has a 60% chance to be heat, and the 70% status has a 60% chance to be heat
They don’t add

[urban palm]

I feel like stuff die so fast in this game that I don't even notice the difference procs make lmfao

And also status chance isn't static no?

[old marsh]

make a recording and see it for yourself.

[urban palm]

Like if you're using galv mods

Although I also use a lot of exalted frames so no rivens + just kinda really strong weapons by default

[novel bear]

It can change based on conditionals, but you can usually expect ~100% uptime on conditionals, and take them into account

[urban palm]

You really don't even need to understand buildcrafting to do 98% squad damage as Cyte-09 lmao, just acuity and cannonade

Or like wipe a map on Mesa

[old charm]

I think kengineer explains that whole thing, but also in practice, if you’re doing something like electric influence and your final status chance for electric is over 100%, you’ll proc electric everytime

[simple frost]

opinion on my gram build?

im in the process of getting more forma

[old marsh]

r u sure u wanna use it as a light attack spam? its attack speed is slow. so u may need 2 atk mods or a riven.

or Volt/Gauss/Wisp

[simple frost]

what do you suggest

[novel bear]

Wiki says otherwise

[old marsh]

either use 2 atk speed mods or make it a slam weapon. it has good stats so it can work as both

[simple frost]

what attak speed mod should i get?

what do i replace with it

[rich glacier]

Acuity is bad on cyte09

[novel bear]

Suboptimal, not bad
Cyte is still cyte

[rich glacier]

No straight up bad

His first ability is an aquity mod

[novel bear]

Still does plenty of damage with acuity

[simple frost]

i wanted it to be more focused around heavy attacks

[rich glacier]

You are having diminishing returns for locking your multishot

[novel bear]

Stacking additive modifiers is suboptimal
Not bad

[rich glacier]

Never use acuity on cyte straight up

[urban palm]

Okay actually show me a good build lol

I'm learning some wild things today

[rich glacier]

Check follie with tempest barrage helminth

[old charm]

If you hover over status chance in the arsenal it explains it better. Especially you look at something with over 100% status chance

[simple frost]

idk whats better atp

[rich glacier]

I recommend going with tennokai. You don't lose combo with it and it is heavy attack

[urban palm]

No I mean good neutralizer build that isn't acuity/spectral serration/cannonade because I'm not sure what to replace for a multiplicative mod

[rich glacier]

Hard to avoid spectral. You never put acuity because his seek works like acuity which increases base hs multiplier. It is in same layer of default hs multiplier

Mine has 160%. So on humanoids I have 3+(1.6x1 5)= 5.4 hs multiplier. If I add deadhead, 5.4 x 1.3=7.02

[simple frost]

senator how can i improve my gram prime

[novel bear]

90 mod for electric

Also I think gram is better for heavy attacks

[rich glacier]

With acuity let's say using mine you have.

3+ (3.5+1.6)x 1.5 =10.65 with deadhead

10.65x1.3 =13.845x multiplier. Do you want 13.845x with no multishot or 7.02 with multishot enabled?

[warm obsidian]

Anyone has a crit build for Laetum?

[urban palm]

Yeah I have deadhead too. What should I use instead of acuity? Just multishot?

[rich glacier]

Build you 1 a bit

My 160 is equal to 1.6 in equation

[old charm]

This actually doesn’t disagree with what I said btw, but also the actual Status Chance when you hover over it for a given melee weapon actually explains it better. Potentially one of those things the wiki needs to be updated with

[novel bear]

This has made it more confusing tbh
With two elements, doing three separate rolls achieves the total status chance, but does that mean a status chance below 200 can apply three statuses at once?

[rich glacier]

You definitely want electric on his 2 so you need to figure out how to viral armor strip. You can corrosive nourish or viral heat no purple shards

[urban palm]

I normally use whatever the enemy is weak to. Or gas because apparently gas procs headshots? Idk how true that is but it feels like I never need to recast 3 when I use gas

[swift wedge]

So… I have an idea

[urban palm]

What's the significance of electric

[rich glacier]

All elements headshot. Gas is trash. Electric is gas without the 10 stack limit and better base damage multiplier. Gas is 0.3 or 0.35 and electric is 0.5 of base damage for the proc dmg

Even the aoe is the same range if I remember well

[swift wedge]

Gas increases range per stack

[rich glacier]

Ok scratch the range part

Still there is no reason to not use electric. The rest of the damaging elements are single target only.

They need to balance the elements.

[old charm]

“Values over 100% have a chance to inflict multiple status effects at once” noting that my Paris Prime’s charged shot has a total 152% status chance with 145.9% blast chance and 6.1% impact. My interpretation of that is its guaranteed to proc blast, and then has a 45.9% chance for an additional blast and 6.1% for impact.

[urban palm]

Is Cyte's elemental damage only procced after the base damage

[old charm]

That being, you’re either getting no additional status proc but if you do, its like 6.5x more likely to be another blast

7.52x*

[rich glacier]

Yes. Dot damage is based on your bullet hit. Most elements have 0.5x base damage multiplier and then you add crits hs status damage and faction damage

[swift wedge]

Electricity status, like many others, has multiple effects.
First, it locks the target in an electrocuted animation for 2 seconds, much like the panic animation from Heat
Second, it applies a damage over time effect for 6 seconds which, on every instance of damage, also damages every enemy within 3 meters of the target.

The electrocuted animation can be refreshed by inflicting Electricity again, and the damage over time effect
-# unlike most others, can benefit from headshot multipliers if the shot that arcs Electricity is a headshot and/or critical hit. Headshot and critical multipliers also multiply together. This can be improved with mods for headshot multipliers/crit mods (using the D.O.T Calculation)

Gass status is an AOE element the does D.O.T damage in a 3M radius, each stack increases the AOE up to 6M.

this Cloud can headshot and/or critical hit. similar to Electicity Status, Headshot and critical multipliers also multiply together.
This can be improved with mods for headshot multipliers/crit mods

the status itself has no unique modifyer mostly doing Tick damage in a large area
and can be modded to increse range via mods like Firestorm and Fulmination (+AOE range)

[urban palm]

I ask because I feel like whenever I try to use him for "kill x enemies with element" nightwaves I barely get any even if I make sure I have a high stat chance and only the one element

[rich glacier]

Before the cyte09 patch his 2 extra bullets would hit the body regardless if you shot the head or body. Now that they fixed that he is even stronger as his 2 can hs

[urban palm]

So I guess his base damage just kills before the elemental damage applies

[rich glacier]

His 2 is guaranteed proc even if you have 0% status chance

Volt is big status weight. I think schock trooper saying guaranteed proc but if it does it is wrong

[urban palm]

Suffering from success meme lmfao

[rich glacier]

I use cyte09 with grakatas and brrrrrt the map

[swift wedge]

You’re most likely to combine both Elec AND gas on an influence build to basically AOE gas proc an entire room.

[urban palm]

Is that the meme build where you breach surge over his 4

[rich glacier]

No

It can do lvl cap

It is meh at lvl cap but it can. I'm trying to find the best way to use it

[swift wedge]

Or use gas on a Debilitate primary to proc gas, heat and tox for a dot stacking thing

[old charm]

This is also one of those scenarios where calculating out the final status chance to see how likely you are to proc electric is important, since that additional gas isn’t worth it if you have like a <50% chance of proccing electric

[swift wedge]

Yep, still.
There’s also weapons that force proc it.

Rumblejack go brr

[rich glacier]

I never thought of gas debilitate. That is interesting. But still you sacrifice deadhead to do that. I'll definitely find a use for that though

[old charm]

Yup yup yup, my xoris is gas only for that reason

[novel bear]

Testing in simulacrum shows that it’s possible to not proc a status with a value over 100 according to the arsenal

[old charm]

Like when you hover over Status Chance, that element shows >100%?

[swift wedge]

A fun calculation I’d like to ask you guys is how Secondary Irradiate works with the Coda Dual Toxicras vulnerability spread? How do those numbers number?

[novel bear]

Yes

Just did it with paris, only mod bhisaj bal, incarnon form, hit an enemy and inflicted only impact

[old charm]

I’d test it in a real mission as well because there’s simulacrum specific bugs with a ton of stuff

Fyi, it literally says “chance for each status effect type per hit” in the arsenal

[novel bear]

And the arsenal is wrong, I just did it in an actual mission

[rich glacier]

I think as you would expect. There is no weird gimmick

[novel bear]

Status is multiple rolls, each with distribution equal to the weapon’s total distribution

[swift wedge]

There is though? There’s a damage vulnerability spread when you kill someone, then radiate also damages them for over 100% of the damage? So I’m trying to figure out if you hit non vulnerability enemy and the radiate hits a vulnerable enemy.

And then if you hit a vulnerable enemy and the damage hits a normal or vulnerable enemy.

Will it stack? Does it only count the one hit?

Because then it changes strategy depending on how it functions.
And I haven’t been able to get hard results since I’m stuck trying to look at numbers on my Switch for now

[rich glacier]

I see you want to test if damage is applied before or after vulnerability on spread

Not thT it affects dps much as it only affects the first bullet

[old charm]

What’s the distribution look like and are you only relying on the innate heat versus having some modded?

I’ve now spent a couple minutes trying to not always get a gas proc with my exalted blade that’s over 100% gas with like 54% cold

[rich glacier]

Stop using bow on ivara and switch with the water hose🔫

[novel bear]

Only mod is bhisaj bal

[swift wedge]

???

[novel bear]

152% total status chance, arsenal displays as 122.8% heat and 29.2% impact

[rich glacier]

Oh

I am interested anyway for science

[old charm]

Im on ios testing it on paris too, it might be a bug with paris

[rich glacier]

I see.

[novel bear]

I did it with cinta too

[novel bear]

It probably stacks

Sort of like faction damage

[swift wedge]

See these 2 combined is my main idea

[fierce lark]

hello

[novel bear]

Maybe not though, apparently irradiate doesn’t count headshots

[rich glacier]

It doesn't? Rip

[fierce lark]

i have been summoned by mentions of secondary irradiate

[swift wedge]

Yee. Coda Toxicra confusions

[novel bear]

Wiki says irradiate can proc unique weapon effects
So I would assume it keeps credit from the weapon, and would be affected by the damage vulnerability on a new enemy

[swift wedge]

I’d love to test the numbers but handheld switch doesn’t exactly give me a solid view

[swift wedge]

If it does then I can fully lean into it as that’s a pretty big boost

If not I’ll be sticking to the random status one

[novel bear]

Are you using a frame that can easily proc radiation?
Without one, irradiate isn’t worth using

[rich glacier]

Probably oberon

[novel bear]

Worst status composed of the two best dots

[swift wedge]

Nyx for thematic reasons

[fierce lark]

dual coda torxica is a very high dps secondary

in order to make irradiate work without very heavy levels of radiation priming from your frame or companion, you have to make the weapon weak enough to where it consistently is hitting 10 stacks of radiation on an enemy without killing them, and then is still able to continue shooting them afterwards to radiate the damage to nearby enemies

and enemies don't typically all group together in a small circle like you'll see them do in simulacrum, so the payoff in actual gameplay isn't as good as it looks

[novel bear]

Nyx works

[swift wedge]

Also I built my Nyx to literally turn off AI to just do their passive wandering animations.

It’s entertaining to watch a grineer saw the same box for 10 minutes

[fierce lark]

oberon probably also works if you forcibly lean into it

i'd say qorvex works but everything qorvex does sucks anyways so atp you're already cooking, grill away

[swift wedge]

Using Chsos Sphere + Breach surge is very funny for that
It Literally turns off the ai or they’re attacking eachother and chaining the surges

[rich glacier]

@swift wedge If you are already in game. Can you test if you can spread heat procs with irradiate from a single enemy focus? This will be important for the potential of your combo

[swift wedge]

Not currently, wanted to ask about the build while it was charging. ^^

[rich glacier]

It won't be soon but I will test it for you.

I'll be home in like 6h

[swift wedge]

Gotcha.
Still wanted to share my theories as food for thought

[old charm]

On shift as well?

[rich glacier]

Yes

[vital glade]

ceramic dagger riven good? what stats should I aim for?

and what're genuinely terrible negatives

[swift wedge]

There’s usually tools for finding it out (something to look into for future maybe?)
But generally depends on build. But the incarnon wants you to heavy attack basically all the time.

Best bet is probably making cc/CD since as long as you have 50% that’s a guarenteed crit for the explosive daggers

[old charm]

Happen to be watching the grid?

[swift wedge]

Infact I wander how the Tennokai Truths Flame works with the explosive daggers. Might be neat

[vital glade]

oh yeah I'll look into it, and I have a general idea what to look for in rivens, but for melee rivens? absolutely no clue

[swift wedge]

Melle depends on build. And sometimes it’s just good to have a Riv that compresses a bunch of needed stats into one instead of being overtly op

[rich glacier]

No. What grid? 24h nurburgring was the weekend.

[old charm]

The one with a whole lotta electrons flowing

[vital glade]

I get that, just saw a video earlier mentioning it's meant to compress stats so you have more space for other mods, changed my brain, but it's the negatives I'm curious about

like what're favorable negatives

cuz I'm tryna think of good negatives but I can't think of anything lol, heavy attack efficiency? attack speed? cc? cd? sc? sd? my brain can't think of one good negativeee

besides the yk, -puncture/-impact

[swift wedge]

But yea, dagger wants Heavy Spam and the explosives thrown aim at crosshairs, so heavy attack efficiency/ damage. Allot of good negatives are like -impact or -puncture so you’re weighting the status chance more towards slash/Elements

[vital glade]

any other negatives you can name off the top of your head? feels like it'd be a pain in the ass if it's just those 2

[swift wedge]

Attack speed might also be one? Forget how it affects heavy attack animations?

[crimson cedar]

negative impact is good on ceramic dagger if you play Melee Doughty Arcane

[vital glade]

any advice on how to build up combo quickly with melee Incarnons?

[swift wedge]

Usually it’s the Galvanic one that gives base Combo per kill

[vital glade]

got my first super good riven on a good weapon with high dispo so I'm tryna make it the best I can

[vital glade]

just that one?

lemme check what rivens I've got

[swift wedge]

Heavy attack efficiency stuff as well if you’re planning to spam heavy.
Again idk how tennokai like truths flame will work on the dagger

[vital glade]

is critical chance for slide attack a good negative

[old charm]

You are in fact right about this. I was able to verify it at 200% on paris prime only proccing 2x impact and the same on toxin/-slash nami solo only proccing 2x slash. I even just had Exalted Blade at 153.1% final status gas/cold at 108.1% gas proc 3 cold with just the wave.

[vital glade]

that only applies to slide attack right? there isn't some....hidden stat tomfoolery I'm missing?

[glass moon]

should i change anything here

[crimson cedar]

too much viral weight

[vital glade]

and finisher damage, is there any weird mechanic I'm missing or is that just basically pretty useless

[glass moon]

yeah but

if i remove cold it just becomes cold gas

[crimson cedar]

don't remove mods, just put it at 0/3 rank

the tox mod at least

easy to get

with that firerate/status, you want more heat procs than viral procs (10max.)

[swift wedge]

Useless in your case yea. So that’s more for your dagger ^^

[vital glade]

thanks sun!

[swift wedge]

… also… I now need a burston build..

[crimson cedar]

I'm using this one, general use (priming and nuking)

why shred -> with nautilus packing ennemies, the beam can hit multiple target

[swift wedge]

Only other things I can think of is considering stuff like Vortex or other arcanes.
If vortex is based on the enemy it could be a good way to concentrate a group into the explosive daggers

[rich glacier]

Send build. Mlst rifles are the same

Oh and say which warframe arcanes you use and which ones you are not changing. Warframe arcanes for weapon buffs are important. Especially acceleration

Really good negative btw

Oh right you are on switch, can you ss?

Typing them is also fine

[swift wedge]

I don’t really have anything equipped on my burston right now just the riv.
And asside I’m mostly using and swapping the weapons and frames on a dime.

I think my Nova has it the most, she does use Hotshot with Nullstar/Breach surge combo.

[rich glacier]

Rule of thumb is elementalist crit mods, damage, fire rate, viral and deadhead if you can do electric brb in 30m

[swift wedge]

My panzer primes Viral, so that’s less of an issue to me

…blast elec?

It definitely has the fire rate to stack and then explode.

[old charm]

Add this below this on the wiki since I validated what you demonstrated in three distinct situations: “A specific status type shown at 100% status chance, when hovering over a weapon’s shown Status in the Arsenal, does not guarantee that status effect. An example of this would be a weapon that has 200% Status with only Heat and Impact status effects as possible options can still trigger two heat or two impact status effects regardless of their relative status chance* values.”

[rich glacier]

Preferably just electric for dot but I don't think you'll have a choice with the status mods. I like blast but nothing beats pure electric sadly

On my grendel I do more damage with pure electric than blast electric

They need to balance the elements. Gas is my favourite aesthetically

[old charm]

Gas works extremely well on exalted blade

[rich glacier]

What's the catch with exalted blade?

[old charm]

You mod it for toxin only then heat progen with chromatic and melee afflictions. It’ll stack the gas status and scales it really well with the weird way gas damage works

Then you can also slam/heavy slam for toxin+corrosive

[sterile jasper]

hello guys i need a burston prime build can you guys show yours i dont have the incarnon

[old charm]

Since slams ignore chromatic blade, and slam has a guaranteed trigger for afflictions

[rich glacier]

But gas is electric for less damage and I guess more range and capped stacks

[old charm]

Im talking with melee afflictions where slash dash is also independently useful

[rich glacier]

Slash dash gives iframes, it will always be good

[old charm]

But if you put melee afflictions on it, it makes it level cap viable even with low strength

That lets you use exalted blade as a stat stick and as an actual melee weapon

Its the biggest problem i have with influence on exalted blade, its overall less useful unless all you’re doing is exclusively using exalted blade and only slash dashing as a lower attack speed immune ‘moveset’ of exalted blade

[swift wedge]

??? It’ll turn into radiation on incarnon though

[old charm]

And its specifically because of all the ways you can trigger afflictions with exalted blade and slash dashing

[rich glacier]

Debilitate

[old charm]

Before they just fixed chromatic blade not applying to the heavy attack and waves, i didnt run chromatic blade on it since it really didn’t matter. Now it unlocks a whole host of features, including the fact that slams ignore chromatic blade

[rich glacier]

Rip deadhead but it is better than having no electric

That's why I hate "meta" weapons. I tested torid yesterday and it is absolute mid even with incarnon.

I avoid heat incarnon primaries

[swift wedge]

I was so confused.
Also I wasn’t too keen on deadhead. I already had a 300% damage bonus. Was wandering why you wouldn’t multiply

[old charm]

It has felt limiting on dread incarnon

[rich glacier]

Torid is dogwater compared to coda synapse

[old charm]

Burston prime build without the incarnon?

[sterile jasper]

yes

[rich glacier]

Nah the burst is slow

[vital glade]

is the stahlta great

[sterile jasper]

i will get the incarnon

[vital glade]

got a riven for it

[rich glacier]

There are many guns that do really well as primaries

[velvet pulsar]

Reconifex

[rich glacier]

Any that has decent crits and status will do. Even burston normal mod. I just don't like it because of the hype

[velvet pulsar]

Reconifex perfect reload grants an uncombining heat status, via extra hit.

Multi-dips on faction mods

[old charm]

I would probably then just use the same build that people use for the incarnon so that when you get the incarnon its already setup

[sterile jasper]

ok

[strange mango]

Any recommendations?

[old charm]

Doesnt glaxion have a fancy augment?

[rich glacier]

Wait a minute. Isn't galvanized aptitude supposed to cap at 80% damage up to 2 elements with 160%?

It says stacks up to 2. Isn't it up to 2 elements?

[old charm]

2*40%

[rich glacier]

Bruh. Now I see why everyone uses it

[velvet pulsar]

It doesn't have an elemental cap

[rich glacier]

I always just slapped serration thinking why do people love the conditional serration so much.

[velvet pulsar]

It caps per element

[old charm]

I like the status chance on it more

[rich glacier]

It helps

[velvet pulsar]

It's also multiplicative in some cases

[old charm]

I use those mods whenever I can except for CO on Excalibur

[rich glacier]

Point strike on shred and elementalist on hellfire. Due to - polarity you can use critical delay but point strike is better. Use arcane acceleration on warframe

Corrosive projection for tiny armor reduction and purple shards for electric

[strange mango]

Yee, don’t own it yet. Waiting for the day it’s back in the night wave shop

[swift wedge]

My Cyanax build go brr :3

It’s literally just stacking status with a 300% damage riv

[rich glacier]

I want to revisit the idea of using acuity mods. The base hs multiplier is no joke

[old charm]

I use them on a few things like ax-52 and dread for the vibes

Oh vesper too

[rich glacier]

Dead head is 3x1.3 = 3.9acuity is 3+ 5.25= 8.25

[swift wedge]

Reminder Ivaras Prowl adds Headshot Multiplyer

And it scales

[rich glacier]

Yes I made a vid with her

[weary ore]

Returning player, but are there any status focused warframes? Like that scale with the more status effects on enemies or something? Wonder if I could use Cedo Prime primer and somehow nuke enemies with all those statuses.

[rich glacier]

https://youtu.be/k_2gUOQ52H8?is=xo7CMwNa0Um6vW7X

[swift wedge]

Citrine can be fun

[old charm]

Excalibur with melee afflictions on Exalted Blade

[rich glacier]

She melts lvl cap like a water canon against a piece of paper

Ability hs multiplier, arcanes passives and mods fall in the multiplied hs tree. Acuity mod, seek and base hs multiplier is in base hs tree

[weary ore]

Okay so she has an ability that basically acts as a primer right? But just debuffing.

[drowsy herald]

Lavos

[swift wedge]

Kinda? Frankly she melts enemies just by triggering the proc. And there’s some fun stuff with infinitely healing thanks to Shards and Archon Mods

[old charm]

Could just use expedite suffering too

[weary ore]

Oh Lavos might be more what I am thinking.

Ty

[old charm]

Kengineer on youtube loves lavos and should have content about builds

[weary ore]

Thank you

[elfin sluice]

lavos' catalyze would be one

it directly has condition overload baked into itself, and since you brought up the cedo - lavos makes the cedo's main fire inflict a ton of status effects, let alone its alt, via his passive's augment.

the lavos-cedo pair is monstrous for rapid status application, and his fourth/nuking ability happens to also be able to use it.

[weary ore]

Awesome time to farm Lavos Prime

[quartz tartan]

what were the highest DPS railjack weapons again?

[lavish orbit]

Alt fire, cuse it's the alt fire that launch a glaive that inflicts the 4 base status that people count has 5th ability for Lavos because of his 4th like you said

[velvet pulsar]

Blast enervate?

[swift wedge]

nah, Cyanax is Multiplicative so all I do is Galv Shot + Encumber

[velvet pulsar]

Heard cyanex has great synergy with enervate

[latent adder]

Lavos

Also i guess citrine?

If u want to actually buff cedo glaive to be a strong dps, then saryn, oraxia, cyte

[swift wedge]

makes it crit viable but eh

[velvet pulsar]

Wisp as per your recent video

[latent adder]

Wisp to buff cedo? Or cedo to buff cataclysmic

[fierce lark]

doubt

has the same issue as larkspur, even if you run enervate the base cd is awful

[velvet pulsar]

Alt fire synergy

Probably something to do with snapshot

[velvet pulsar]

Wisp to buff cedo

[wary forge]

I forgot about Cyanex damn

[hexed lodge]

Warframes with ton of statuses yet no Voruna mention 🥀

[wary forge]

hello ruby

[hexed lodge]

heyo

[warm obsidian]

Thoughts on Gloom Chroma?

[wary forge]

Useless

His vex armor augment is all the healing you need

[velvet pulsar]

And chroma can already slow down rooms

[hexed lodge]

Not needed unless you're planning to do Persistance Chroma

[hexed lodge]

real ward knowers

[velvet pulsar]

Even considering persistence chroma

[wary forge]

its not good on persistence chroma

i have over 100 cap runs on chroma

the aug is litterally all u need

i mean its good but like not needed

[velvet pulsar]

And your companion with Hunter Recovery will back you up.

[hexed lodge]

dayum
didn't know you could get that much hp with him

[wary forge]

with arcane blessing ur at 2200

ur 2 is gonna give u an extra like 500 to 700

u dont even have to cast ur 2 until like exo 90

[wary forge]

yep

its like a 10 to 13% hp heal per kill

[velvet pulsar]

Does Molt Augmented stack even if you are killing from amp?

[wary forge]

octavia amp

it should

[velvet pulsar]

Phahd Scaffold

[wary forge]

oh like with ur operator amp

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah

[wary forge]

i think so

i mean its just on kill

ur operator amp should proc it

[velvet pulsar]

For operator amp, is 2× multiplicative CD more powerful or 400% additive damage?

[west radish]

Hi Zach

[inner raptor]

nid panzer vulpa build

the heck. it has a whopping 25% base crit

[west radish]

Nid nautilus super support build

[west radish]

Only quils matter

To spread viral

Like coronavirus

[inner raptor]

tenacious...

[west radish]

bond…

[inner raptor]

james bond...

[west radish]

Just buy bite don’t be cheap homie

It has good ROI or smth idk what that means

[hot herald]

Is boltor incarnon a status or crit weapon?

[velvet pulsar]

Can become a hybrid weapon

Telos Boltor has more base crit dmg while Boltor Prime was more base status chance.

After adding the incarnon perks, you can balance both SC & CC close enough, but Telos Boltor will still have more CD.

[pale belfry]

Telos not about the base stat. Its about QOL

Telos provide parkour velocity

[hot herald]

is this worth or is the status chance a massive off?

[velvet pulsar]

Permanent parkour velocity

[pale belfry]

Thats why people using it for speedrun

[velvet pulsar]

Telos Boltor

[pale belfry]

Im not gonna take this honestly

[celest tendon]

guys i have a question

does purgator from the hex a shotgun had a cap damage against necramechs

[opal leaf]

Why is Vinqui sucks

Is Vinqui a acuity gun?

[crimson cedar]

and requires to sacrifice melee slot

[opal leaf]

Oh god... That's why Multishot did not work

[crimson cedar]

i prefer use primary acuity on the Vinquibus

[opal leaf]

Yeah tmr, I might try Acuity on Vinqui

[pale belfry]

Suck if you expected primary form working like an aoe gun

And the heavy attack from the melee form aslo bad

[opal leaf]

So it is like a sniper then, might be good for Cyte tbh

[pale belfry]

Recoil kinda high

Even with primed recoild mod

Still feel a little clunky

[crimson cedar]

recoil is not a problem if you OHK ennemies 😄

deadhead arcane + recoil mod on exilus = you reach -100%, prefect

[pale belfry]

Im playing with dex

And as csgo player, im playing as awper role

Still feeling the that weapon is fun, not that actually good as i expected

[crimson cedar]

did you swap to melee after every rifle shot ? 😂

muscle memory from csgo 😄

[pale belfry]

Melee and rifle all in 1 mouse

Csgo, i still using left and right as open scope and fire

But for wf, its macro 4 5

And left, right is melee (attack, heavy)

But anyway, its uriel signature

So there is a prime in the next few years, i think its gonna be better

[crimson cedar]

~4+ years but yep

[pale belfry]

Whos know if i still playing this shit until that

I played this game for like over half decade

[crimson cedar]

pov:
me:
2014 " oh, what is that game ? "
...

(still learning things)

[pale belfry]

Its just like

I dont think any game that could do the same like DE

Listen people. Trying to be good

[knotty shadow]

volt prime helminth build thats forma friendly?

[pale belfry]

So because of that, after change so many game, i still comeback to wf

[rich glacier]

Roar on 4, catalyzing shields, primed flow, streamline and primed continuity with shock trooper. If I calculated well streamline will be r4

[twilit yacht]

Is this good for the bubonico?

[rich glacier]

Yeah. Don't bother rolling more. The toxin replacement mod is what saves it

[twilit yacht]

How much do you think I could sell it for?

[inner raptor]

whats second best secondary aracane if i dont need base damage?

[old marsh]

50p. Maybe 100p

[old marsh]

Enervate

Usually these 2 r the best choices. Flare or enervate. I don’t like outburst but u can deffo use it for long missions with crescendo I believe

[inner raptor]

anyway i can pump more damage in this? im running chroma so theres like a 1000+% hornet strike

[old marsh]

U get perma initial combo with crescendo and then use outburst and bam.

[inner raptor]

im not liking it atm i might go back to k nukor

i feel like pelementalist aint doing anything

[rich glacier]

Don't roll low disposition rivens for profit. Only do for your own build

[old marsh]

Sure but with Ocucor u get red crits anyways. Enervate is kinda pointless

[inner raptor]

irradiate?

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-ew-wtf-no-disgusted-gif-11058683547538402693

Generally u just use flare

But since u r using chrome then use whatever

[brittle sleet]

Irradiate is awkward to make work without specialized setups

[inner raptor]

hmm how bout switching to elec and using conjunction whatever the name

ocucor is a beam right?

[brittle sleet]

Conjunction Voltage buffs are too mild compared to other more cracked secondary arcanes

Yes it is

[old marsh]

Be mindful he is using Ocucor with chroma’s vex armor buff. So enervate and flare r thrown out of the window

Tbh, just use flare case closed

[brittle sleet]

Fortifier and Encumber are the usual alternatives for max performance on Ocucor

[inner raptor]

imma hop back to k nukor at least theres no ramp up

[old marsh]

Oh shit. Forgot those existed

[brittle sleet]

Encumber probably especially considerable given the lack of viral on that posted build

[old marsh]

Yes. Fortifier is your best bet against eximus

I haven’t used my Ocucor in years lol

Lemme check what I got

[brittle sleet]

Encumber has extra benefit of helping max out Galvanized Shot

[old marsh]

Bruh. Doesn’t show arcane in companion app

https://tenor.com/view/british-cop-screaming-screaming-sad-gif-10576833416044093400

[inner raptor]

aight ill try both

[warm obsidian]

Anyone has a Laetum build?

[inner raptor]

ok i settled with fortifier. at least i can feed my hunter adrenaline with overguard

[warm obsidian]

Don't know if I should go crit or no

[sleek marlin]

if my titatnia razorwing consumes 2energy and i equip energy nexus does this mean i have infinite razorwing?
or is there something im not accounting for?

[undone dust]

per second energy regens dont apply to channeled abilities

[sleek marlin]

ah i see, thank you

[vital glade]

hi, any stahlta people in chat?

which one do I go for-?

btw how do faction mods and rivens with faction stats interact

[crimson cedar]

same layer, they add

in your case, if you use primed corpus faction mod + your riven, you'll have x( 1 + 0.55 + 0.41 ) = x1.96 dmg to corpus

[vital glade]

ah so it's just additive with each other

so like which is the better riven here-

[celest tendon]

How primary bulwark would work on burston with what mods and how to adjust warframes for that purpose.

[crimson cedar]

neither, continue to roll for at least crit damage

or element to replace one mod in your rivenless modding

[green gyro]

it doesn't matter, they are both bad

just flip a coin and reroll

[wary forge]

It’s additive dmg like seration ideally you would drop serration for a faction mod

[celest tendon]

I will really need to test that arcane since I have no idea what mods to put on it and what on Warframe.

[vital glade]

racism

[celest tendon]

And since I must have 1500 armor

[celest tendon]

Brother-in-law

[wary forge]

It’s good on any frame who can get 1500 armor pretty easily

Either with an ability or like base stats

[chrome badge]

its goon

[muted geyser]

Is CD and CC even viable on akbronco prime?

[wary forge]

Good

[vital glade]

this riven is terrible

[chrome badge]

GOON

[celest tendon]

So I must remove the serration mod or add something else

[chrome badge]

why do you have serration on burston

[wary forge]

It’s not a must but like in terms of doing the most you’d be better off removing it

[celest tendon]

Hm good question

[wary forge]

Bulwark is 500% that’s gonna be all the additive dmg u need

[chrome badge]

Inaros is great for buffing weapons like that

or just weapons in general

[celest tendon]

Hm ok try inaros

[eternal glacier]

Anyone have a good nyx build?

[formal tusk]

Js a question, if i use brief respite on nekros while his desecrate is active, would that mean a semi permanent shield gating if i use catalyzing shields since brief respite regens shields

[opal leaf]

Is... Damn is Rapid Resilience really that good? I am starting to think it might be a niche one

Cause on Limbo it's very Good

Limbo, Loki, Koumei, and even on Vaubs

[viscid bane]

How much dmg does burston do with direct hits vs radial

[opal leaf]

Ms or Acuity?

[viscid bane]

both

[opal leaf]

Damn I really use Ms only

[opal leaf]

Ehh for acuity both the base and Incarnon form can do millions

Ms, sometimes but still does it

[quiet laurel]

Acuity direct hits will do much more than radial while ms is a bit more balanced

[viscid bane]

Just wondering if it's worth putting gaptitude

[undone dust]

not worth it whatsoever since it doesnt apply to the radial

[opal leaf]

Nah

It won't work on Incarnon

[inner raptor]

Nope brief respite dont work on channeling

[formal tusk]

Breh, constantly casting abilities in mobile is a PAIN

[viscid bane]

Speaking of which, am i correct that acuity vs ms on burston is that acuity does more ST damage while MS is just more comfy?

[undone dust]

yeah ms is more comfy, ms doesnt apply to the radial but the cc from
acuity does, so if you like awesome numbers go acuity, either way itll kill shit

[green gyro]

run passive gate

or like don't play nekros outside of farming squads

that's the easiest option

[formal tusk]

Elaborate

[green gyro]

vigilante vigor and fast deflection

[viscid bane]

Vigilante Vigor+Fast Deflection+optional Aegis

[formal tusk]

Basically make delay as low as possible

[opal leaf]

Plus Cata bc... It genuinely help to have that constant gate

[green gyro]

you can also use omamori instead

[undone dust]

play persistence nekros like a chud

[vital glade]

what's faster? an extra 15% ability strength on volt or +30% sprint speed

[novel bear]

How much strength do you have

But probably the sprint speed

[abstract axle]

Volt's speed buff is additive with sprint speed. and since the base speed buff is 75%, so 15% strength would only give .75*.15 speed, so 11% movespeed

[violet silo]

it's additive? thought it was multiplicative

also TIL allies can just
opt out of speed

by doing a backflip

who was gonna tell me this

[crimson cedar]

The movement speed buff stacks additively with other movement speed modifiers.
(Wiki)
but it's movement speed, not sprint speed 🤓

[violet silo]

is sprint speed counted as a movement speed modifier?

[abstract axle]

sprint speed is actually just movespeed

[crimson cedar]

sprint speed is specifically when you're sprinting

[abstract axle]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Sprint_Speed you would think so

[crimson cedar]

move speed apply to all movement, like Wukong's cloud speed (sprint speed doesn't apply for the cloud speed)

[crimson cedar]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Movement_Speed

[abstract axle]

true, things like cloud and meatball, but it still applies to the frame when not sprinting.

[crimson cedar]

Uriel fly mode too, maybe Hildryn and Jade "overmode"

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

Hildryn however does get the buff from Okina

[novel bear]

This very clearly says sprint speed buffs are only when you’re sprinting

[old marsh]

Or the dodge speed from parkour shard

[abstract axle]

first line: As well as base walking speed. Also maneuvers will momentum inherit, so those too assuming you don't loop them too tightly

[novel bear]

Base sprint speed is actually movement speed
Sprint speed buffs are only sprinting

[old marsh]

Like u can compare Grendel and Gauss

[abstract axle]

huh, you right. That's written very misleadingly.

[old marsh]

English is a very confusing Language

[west radish]

price?

[verbal silo]

Hi can someone tell me if this is good or trash?

[green gyro]

sprint speed

[static sphinx]

What are the perfect stats (godrolls) for boar and hate rivens?

[versed harbor]

this weapon is basically just for utility (buffs your other weapons and teammates) but its rly good.

Rivens for it are rly niche but if you did roll it you'd probably just get utility stats not dmg or crit etc

[novel bear]

Does the altfire even benefit from anything?

[undone dust]

pretty sure throw speed is affected by fire rate

[novel bear]

Not enough to justify a riven

Basic buff build doesn’t even use a catalyst

[violet silo]

boar wants crit dmg, multishot, and smth like heat/cc/fr

[weary elbow]

I just bought Coda Sporothrix. Should I always try to choose magnetic in the adversary weapons?

[chrome badge]

Usually but not always

[rain mica]

The strike is sepfahn, would this be good for a lot of things? I intend to use it as status spam and also a weapon to strip spores off hellscrubbers in 1999

[novel bear]

If you want a status weapon use weeping wounds
And duplicate is not a good slot, unless you add sacrificial steel
Also generally not very good to have two sources of base damage
I would take off the viral mods and pressure point, and replace them with a range mod, weeping wounds, and sac steel if you want to keep using duplicate, galv steel if you change the arcane
Also, change the heat mod to the 90 version

[rain mica]

And would it be able to strip spores off hellscrubbers in 1999?

[green gyro]

just slam with literally any melee

sepfahn isn't really good at anything tho

[static sphinx]

Alright thanks. It doesn't need crit chance, right?

[rain mica]

I kinda followed your suggestion

Electric melee influence build

[versed harbor]

blood rush over voltaic and then its pretty standard

[remote relic]

Yo does anyone have any decent starter builds for Nokko, Caliban Prime or Spider chick. (forgot her name) I’m still rather small so my mod collection isn’t great

[timber sparrow]

oraxia

[static sphinx]

Caliban was the first frame I've finished build for, and he doesn't require a lot of mods. Mods that are required are relatively cheap. (Replace prime flow with normal flow if you don't have, and primed redirection with redirection or adaptation)

[remote relic]

Thanks a tonne and bless you with those god roll Rivne’s

[static sphinx]

You're welcome. Also, I forgot to mention that razor mortar and summoner's wrath are almost required.

[uncut mango]

Is Precision intensify better for Dante than umbral intensify?

[tawny nova]

Any feedback on how I can improve my Kuva Hek?

[mighty flare]

umbral

[astral cipher]

I currently have a few questions, should I replace my spoiled strike with Condition overload, then two of my extra status mods the toxin strike and north wind with Berserker Fury and Weeping Wounds? I'm working on fine tuning my build because right now I can handle Netracells and Steel path runs but I know I can make it smoother somehow

I hope I'm not a huge pain asking all these questions, I like pushing non level cap frames into level situations just to see what I can do, weapons are of no issue with burston incarnon and lex incarnon and my Crit monster dakra

[glass moon]

does magnetic capacity really give a big difference in dps against eximus units

[old marsh]

Use both primed elemental mods. And consider adding a magazine/reload mod.

[old marsh]

Not really

It’s even more pointless in Incarnon form

[glass moon]

should i just swap it out for rifle elementalist

[opaque venture]

Anyone have a daikyu build? Im trying to push jts damage as high as i can with yareli using it

[old marsh]

Blood rush

[glass moon]

https://overframe.gg/build/844685/daikyu-prime/daikyu-prime-target-acquired-headshot-hunter-blast-nuke-and-elec-dps-variants/

[opaque venture]

Ty

[astral cipher]

Ty

[old marsh]

Yup. U can even drop Aptitude since u r already using serration & deadhead. All 3 r additive

[mighty flare]

you have it the other way round

[old marsh]

Basically drop 2 out of 3 and pick another multiplicative source Orrr adding another heat mod for higher heat weighting ORRRR add a crt dmg mod for that 10% CC lol

[old marsh]

Hold up. It’s Multi?

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-one-kikc-man-gif-18609663

[mighty flare]

no it just has 100% coeff, serration is the weak link here

also attrition is multi to serration% so gapt/deadhead are way better

[glass moon]

what if i cant drop serration because i like the sprint speed

and im using shock trooper

got like 2 slots left

[old marsh]

Huh. Then why does Ninjase have it

[glass moon]

got no clue on what to slot in for the last 2 besides rifle elementalist

[mighty flare]

theres this thing where if you scroll down you can see build explanation

[old marsh]

bold of u to assume I can read

[glass moon]

should i just run radiated reload and rifle elementalist for the last 2 slots

[old marsh]

Anyways. Go with what Meats is saying

[glass moon]

or do yall have any better suggestions

[old marsh]

Remove serration if u want higher dps
Or remove deadhead and use like crux

[glass moon]

i cant remove serration because i like the sprint speed

and the recoil reduction on deadhead is nice so ill keep it

[mighty flare]

elementalist is poor since dot dmg is little on phenmor
shred is preferred over vile cuz of pt
magnetic capacity is nice qol mod for eximus/thrax/aco
reload mod is also nice qol for form swap timer

rad reload or the other one

[glass moon]

so should i just magnetic cap and radiated reload then

i have shock trooper for elec weight anyway

[mighty flare]

sure, you have core mods slotted alr, everything else is just personal preference for qol

[glass moon]

alr thanks man

also does this affect the empty reload itself

or does the reload speed buff only apply after the reload from empty

[violet silo]

cc = crit chance

in terms of rivens at least

[mighty flare]

it affects reloading from 0/ammo and getting kicked out of incarnon form

[static sphinx]

My bad, I haven't noticed it as an optional stat.

[violet silo]

it tends to be pretty optional

cuz crit damage is way more effective

[glass moon]

not the transformation into incarnon?

like if i empty reload then transform

[mighty flare]

that too

[glass moon]

will the transformation be faster

oh alr thanks

[maiden oracle]

Any tips for building Caliban properly?
This is my hodgepodge build, I assumed strength and duration was the way to go cause of his 2 and 3 mainly

[mighty flare]

caliban wants high strenth with positive range/duration, also his augment mod
doesn't like augur mods cuz it breaks his extended gate timer

[rich glacier]

is influence bugged? I feel like there is no cooldown

[elfin sluice]

caliban has a strength threshold for his fourth skill's armorstrip at 200%, and you want to mod up his range aplenty for his fourth & first skill's sakes(mainly the augment for his first skill, which lets you carry the entire hallway with you while you charge)

[glass moon]

5 different damage types on the phenmor lol

[elfin sluice]

add archon stretch in narrow-minded's place if you put on razor gyre - the summons' modified-into-electric damage procs it

you don't need to go too crazy on duration with caliban, given how his only low-dur skill is the one you'll already be otherwise spamming for shield regen, so minded ain't necessary

[storm patrol]

planning on using bronco prime incarnon, (i know its bad i like bad stuff sometimes). this is my first time using a riven and im unsure what to go for, im planning on using it with yareli, and the fire rate boosts from the companion mod and furax, is the first one just better/should i be bothering with rerolls or should i just throw elementalist on and call it good with the reload?

[deep grotto]

So uh
How do i explain the crit tiers?

[elfin sluice]

each tier you go up, you add the number in the crit damage bit to the multiplier.
let's say your crit damage is x3.
tier 0(non-crit): x1
tier 1(yellow): x3
tier 2(orange): x(3+3) = x6
tier 3(red): x(3+3+3) = x9
and so on.

[glass moon]

how many tau greens do i need for voruna to full strip with corrosive

[elfin sluice]

two normal ones. no need for tauf.

[glass moon]

what if i only have tau greens

i deadass got no normal ones

[deep grotto]

Alright this is great

[elfin sluice]

same count required, since the threshold is +4

[glass moon]

alr

[versed harbor]

1 tau green is p good too

just not full strip

[glass moon]

are corrosive shards even worth putting on voruna if i only plan to use her 4

and use her as an ability dps

[elfin sluice]

they're only necessary if you're stacking corrosive stacks very rapidly very consistently, e. g. saryn/oraxia with their abilitiesbor lavos with a shotgun

[glass moon]

ig thats a no

[deep grotto]

The other sources of information are usually WAY too informationally dense, it gets overwhelming
To clarify this is crit chance tiers, yeah?

I feel like it would be extra helpful if it came with an example ig

[elfin sluice]

yeah, it's about crit tiers.
long story short, you multiply the crit damage number by the crit tier number, and THAT is what you multiply the hit by

[deep grotto]

Alr

[elfin sluice]

and crit tiers are what you get when you go up 100 crit percent(on the bit in the top-left corner, not what it says on the mods)

[versed harbor]

a good simple explanation should come up if u hover over the critical damage stat on your mod config too iirc

or chance I forget

[deep grotto]

So like
Imma use Kuva Nukor as a reference
Lets just take a random ass number like uh
10 for base damage

Would it be 10 x 5 x 3?? At 3rd tier?

[elfin sluice]

kuva nukor has a x5 crit multiplier unmodded, right?

[deep grotto]

Its base crit is 7 im pretty sure

I could be misremembering

[elfin sluice]

checked on wiki, x5

[deep grotto]

Oh yeah

Whoopsie

[elfin sluice]

using that number, and the thing's unmodded elementless damage of 21, that'd be:
t0/noncrit: x1, 21
t1: x5, 105
t2: x10, 210
t3: x15, 315

et cetera

if you add in crit damage mods, those get multiplied as part of that number, e. g.
(+50% CD... x5 -> x7.5)
t0: x1
t1: x7.5
t2: x15
t3: x22.5

you follow?

[deep grotto]

Yeah

[elfin sluice]

it's a quite serious multiplier when it gets to the extremes

[novel bear]

Not how it works, actually
Crit multiplier is 1+tier(multi-1)
So it goes 5x, 9x, 13x

[civic shore]

Hi guys i copied this build from kyaii for saryn and sobek
,iam unable to replicate the damage, i press 3 and then i hold 1 for corrosive and then even when i kill something on DOT appear but nothing dies,can anyone help me here, what am i missing?

[deep grotto]

Do you know what archon shards or external buff they’re using? Like a companion?

If it’s the exact same build then it’s not mods

It’s probably shards or a companion

[civic shore]

4 green and 1 yellow shard and nautilus

[novel bear]

Take off overextended and augur reach

[civic shore]

i want to know what interaction iam missing before any changes

[elfin sluice]

@deep grotto ^ i was wrong, see above

[deep grotto]

That makes even less sense

[civic shore]

can i share link here?

[deep grotto]

You don’t need to ask that sort of thing

If it’s the link to the build, just drop it

[elfin sluice]

basically keeps the crit multiplier restrained so that it's harder to hit stupidly high damage numbers

[deep grotto]

The part that doesn’t make sense being that equation they threw down

[civic shore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKXovIUaxYs
there it is i would appreciate if anyone can guide me, i have never had experience building saryn or sobek

[deep grotto]

I don’t know what that means

[elfin sluice]

certainly explains why people use blood rush or wrathful advance rather than both

[elfin sluice]

basically, the number you add with each crit tier decreases a little.

a solid 1.0 from whatever the multiplier's base number is

[cobalt kite]

chat could this mod go for a lot of platinum?

[elfin sluice]

the gun is good, but the roll is bad

+zoom is a debuff, not a buff

[polar knoll]

i was looking for glaxion builds and someone said that i need a viral unranked riven mod did i do this right?

[vital eagle]

Does anyone have a good minion build for Uriel? I have a build but i feel like he can do more so I did it wrong lol

[marble marten]

Is it normal for my Ferrox Tenet to look like this? Most people I see only have one circle lol

Lucky day?

[elfin sluice]

that just means rivens have bigger numbers on it

[marble marten]

I know

1 circle = no riven

[elfin sluice]

it's what the numbers do for the gun that's more critical

[novel bear]

What enemies are you testing it on? And are you testing in simulacrum or mission?

[marble marten]

Should I use spectral serration with Ferrox? (I'm a Loki main)

[elfin sluice]

e. g. adding crit chance on an acceltra isn't valuable since it already has guaranteed crits, but is priceless on a tenet envoy for guaranteeing tgem

[elfin sluice]

if you're using regular serration already, yeah. loki's permanently invisible given energy nexus and good duration so it's effectively a strict upgrade on him

[civic shore]

zariman steel path bounty

[novel bear]

Are you casting roar?

[civic shore]

no initially, since i dont have enough energy

[novel bear]

That’s the problem then
I’m guessing you’re fighting grineer, and you don’t have any faction damage for them

[cobalt kite]

bruh

[novel bear]

Since grineer have armor, you either need to strip them or you need faction damage to increase the damage of toxic lash’s proc

[civic shore]

yes i dont have faction mod not the prime one atleast, can i use normal faction mod?

[novel bear]

Faction damage triple dips for the proc

[elfin sluice]

a start is archon continuity over whatever ability duration mod you're running for passive armorstrip on lash itself

[novel bear]

I thought archon continuity didn’t work for lash, it doesn’t count as ability damage

[elfin sluice]

last i checked it did

[civic shore]

can i use normal faction mods?

[novel bear]

Yes

[novel bear]

Wiki says it doesn’t

[elfin sluice]

then something else was stripping in my tests without my notice. time to retest

[civic shore]

also since in the video he says that we use 2 ability to shield gate , but since shield value is so low its kind of crazy at times

specially when at low energy

[novel bear]

That’s just how active shield gating goes

The only things you can do are try to be more mobile, or switch to passive gating or persistence

[elfin sluice]

saryn very much puts the glass in glass cannon

[civic shore]

can u please elaborate on passive gating , i know about only about shield gating

[elfin sluice]

really boils down to ludicrously high shield recharge speed & a specific arcane that sets shield recharge delay to basically nothing

[novel bear]

Fast deflection, vigilante vigor, and cat shields
It reduces shield recharge delay to the minimum, and whenever your shields go down you start dodging until they come back

It’s a lot better on certain frames like titania and xaku, or with omamori

[elfin sluice]

caliban somewhat has this in his sentients' passive recharge if you're not using his first skill on instinct to active-gate, if you wish to see a cheap example in action

[civic shore]

ok , thnkyou , so at my current build iam reliant on 2 for active shieldgating, what am i going to do incase of boss? since sobek isnt for bossing and if i dont have enemies to get orbs from i cant shieldgate

[novel bear]

Also the build you’re using has no energy economy, try putting equilibrium over augur reach and narrow minded over overextended

[civic shore]

i have epitaph with 2 other augur mods , for shieldgating

[polar knoll]

is it important for heat to be higher than viral?

[cobalt kite]

guys I think I just hit peak

Tell me what you guys think

[novel bear]

No, but it’s important to have a high plus heat percent
Use the 90 mod instead of wildfire

50% more status damage

[elfin sluice]

easy to slot with good bonuses. go buy a lottery ticket

[cobalt kite]

how much plat on the market do you think this'll go for

[elfin sluice]

i'm not the guy to ask about that lol, still learning the riven market.
answer: whatever "a lot" is for that weapon.

[cobalt kite]

hehehehehehehhee

[civic shore]

Bro , honestly i dont enjoy this saryn sobek , reloading sucks, the active sheildgating with 2 is miserable when everything i bringing u down immediately , so always need to have energy for 2 avaialble

[little field]

Making a lvl cap Ability Oraxia

this, with 2 blue shards, and Smite over 3

[silk kraken]

Which is better?

Or jst reroll also an option

[novel bear]

I don’t think you’re getting a usable riven with that dispo

[silk kraken]

Wdym

[dusky bane]

need a godroll to be slottable and even then it's barely an upgrade

[violet silo]

hello fine builders and discussioners

anyone have a torxica build?

[brittle iron]

are any nezha augments worth it

[violet silo]

I think the one for his 4 is

[solar reef]

do you know what riven disposition is

K. zarr’s is low enough that without the near perfect roll its not worth using a riven over regular mods

dispo is a direct multiplier to riven stats

[viscid hazel]

should I keep and install or keep rolling for ms/cd

[solar reef]

i mean you can keep that AND keep rolling at the same time

[viscid hazel]

oh yes true sorry im a dumbass

[solar reef]

i also wouldnt roll for ms

Though it IS a great stat it ultimately does nothing in the case you decide to use acuity

imo CD,CC,DMG /-harmless is preferred for that reason

or CC,CD,Elem/-harmless

that way you can comfortably swap between MS and Acuity builds

[viscid hazel]

am i correct in saying i should swap out serration for it

cool, ty

burston bout to go brrrrrr

[solar reef]

or critical delay you’d have to run the numbers on Underframe

[static sphinx]

I've heard some good things about Yareli, but she seems to be very underwhelming. Is there any specific build/weapon synergy that makes her good?

[solar reef]

she makes any secondary better and she just has a good kit for platforming all around

[violet silo]

yo malz u got a build to rec for the dual torx

[solar reef]

ive never used it just see what ninjase has and run from there

[static sphinx]

So, it's all because of her passive and merulina?

[violet silo]

alr

[civic shore]

Do i need range on saryn sobek ?

[solar reef]

@viscid hazel heres the non riven numbers with your build

over crit delay

over serration

replacing either serration/crit delay with a bane

[violet silo]

no, dump range

[solar reef]

its a complete dump stat

focus entirely strength duration

[exotic saddle]

any tips for lavos prime builds? do i need to get swift bite & valence formation or can i have a comfy build without them?

[solar reef]

cant give a ton of advice since i despise lavos but uh

he absolutely LOVES persistence

mostly just because he can’t active gate

[exotic saddle]

arcane persistence, you mean?

[dire merlin]

guys if i need damage for my atlas build, is it better to put primed fever strike or prrimed heavy trauma ?

(idc about status in that build, only pure power and crit)

[solar reef]

since none of his abilities use energy, he cant use respite or augur mods

[exotic saddle]

i see

[solar reef]

you CAN do passive gating but like

persistence is way more consistant

[exotic saddle]

noted, thx for the help!

[silk kraken]

Ah right then ty

[solar reef]

I always recommend checking the wiki (not the fandom wiki) for dispo before rolling

as that will tell you whether its even worth investing or not

do note that all weapons are released with a dispo of 0.55(the lowest possible)

[civic shore]

guys this what iam using now ,since active sheildgating with 2 was very frustrating fro me

[solar reef]

so often times new weapons wont see good riven use for at least a year

[dire merlin]

i think there are some exeptions ? kompressa may be 1/5 dispo but still popular

[silk kraken]

Madness but fair gtk thanks

[solar reef]

popular ≠ good for rivens

[dire merlin]

yes, but kompressa is so used that rivens are still used in build

[solar reef]

rarely

[dire merlin]

i think

[civic shore]

i was thinking about using narrow minded instead for primed flow though

[solar reef]

99% of the time its better NOT to use a riven on it (assuming prime)

[dire merlin]

its not that i have one and i want to sell it... ^^ (nah not only)

[violet silo]

thats... not how rivens work...

[solar reef]

the only times you can slot rivens on low dispo weapons like that is for CD,MS,Elem/-Harmless or Dual Elem rolls to save a slot

[dire merlin]

ok i explained myself badly, now u start to see me like baby tenno 😭

[violet silo]

no, im just confused

im operating on low today

[frail pine]

what ESSENTIAL mods does sevagoth prime need?

[dire merlin]

for example I KNOW ITS NOT OPTIMAL but i use a riven on my nukor to save up a mod space

[solar reef]

His two augments and whatever gets him to 255% strength (+ Roar subsume)

[dire merlin]

like viral + multishot on 1 mod is really useful

[violet silo]

which mod?

[little field]

thoughts for lvl cap Oraxia (i dont have the tau blue shards yet)

[frail pine]

what is subsume?

[solar reef]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/862431049450520607/1352082975168397332/ezgif-1947d970440684.gif

[frail pine]

i think i picked a prime too expensive for my first

[dire merlin]

cold, toxin + MS and harmless neg

so just pocket viral

and 1 mod space liberated

[violet silo]

what %s?

[frail pine]

IM NEW BRUH CUT ME SOME SLACK

[wary forge]

https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1429852785251455016

[violet silo]

eating warframes

[solar reef]

Subsumes are abilities from other warframes that replace an ability on YOUR warframe

each frame has a set subsume; Rhino’s is Roar

[frail pine]

wait i gotta sacrifice my rhino

[dire merlin]

its less than each mod, but i only use to sum up all in one (its like 70% each or smth like that)

[wary forge]

Bad

[solar reef]

Sevagoth + Roar at 255% ability strength deals 100% true health damage

[little field]

why?

[solar reef]

meaning it scales infinitely, regardless of level

[dire merlin]

dw, hes ez to farm and his prime resurgence is now

so u can get the better version

[solar reef]

his augments turn that damage into an infinitely spreading nuke of doom and despair

[wary forge]

Persistence Oraxia is cope imo

[little field]

why?

[violet silo]

ah ok

[frail pine]

oh ok, hes been like my main frame for a bit. How do i even unlock subsuming?

[little field]

because i cant perform 2000 apm to make sure im constantly invis and swapping from spider to human?

[wary forge]

You have to use armor shards to make it work

That’s the definition of cope

[solar reef]

persistence is weird on oraxia since you’re like required to not be invisible for hunter adrenaline to work

[violet silo]

cuz she alr has invis and you have to force with shards and mods and stuff

[dire merlin]

its like in deimos or smth ? i dont want to spoil you idk how much u got into the quests

[violet silo]

expensive to build

[little field]

i use a game emchanic to make something work how i wanna try it "YOUR COPING" bro, its a game mechanic

[solar reef]

just use a single augur mod you have invisibility

[frail pine]

i just finished The New War

[solar reef]

persistence is usually just cope

[wary forge]

?

[solar reef]

tbf

[violet silo]

yeah, so at rank 3 w deimos you can buy from son

[little field]

my hands arent functional enough to have the apm requirement for invis/spamming builds

[dire merlin]

watch wiki IDK ABT POTENTIAL SPOILS DISCLAIMER !!!

[violet silo]

just press shift at a wall

[wary forge]

Even more cope

[little field]

my Oberon lvl cap build is Smite + Gun for dmg, and 12 apm for survivability

[civic shore]

Can someone please check

[frail pine]

how long does it take to get rank 3

[mighty flare]

triumbral > diumbral + precision
dont need streamline, power drift, or arcane arachne
growing power not good, swap for something like corrosive projection
needs armor shards/unairu focus

[wary forge]

I mean persistence Oraxia works I just personally think it’s worse

[violet silo]

apm is actions per minute, right?
people dont actually measure apm do they?

[solar reef]

never lol

[dire merlin]

just do quite some bounties : u get aya (so rhino prime relics) and u can trade for standing each day

[dire merlin]

with mother tokens

[violet silo]

sounds useless af

[solar reef]

also you dont need functional hand skills to use more apm with oberon

[little field]

i dont have corrosive projection

[solar reef]

just lay down field, use smite, and then every auto cast after that is smite

[viscid hazel]

So I should add a bane mod? I don't understand how a bane mod is different to a serration/damage mod? Surely it's applying the same amount of damage percentage wise?

[frail pine]

alrighty, i can sacrifice my base rhino, then get prime rhino to replace him lol

[solar reef]

banes are final

[mighty flare]

not precise measurement, usually just personal experience but you can def determine the general level of some frames
like garuda has high apm while revenant has low

[solar reef]

They are calculated AFTER all the other damage is calculated

[mighty flare]

etc

[little field]

nokko shrooms and garden every 15 seconds, and smite whenever i want

[violet silo]

but it doesnt matter...

[dire merlin]

yes ask me in mp if you need any help in the game or just in the bounties ^^

[mighty flare]

it does if you find it inconvenient

[little field]

its really low apm

[dire merlin]

i dont like racist mods that much 😔

[wary forge]

Banes multiply your dmg by 33% or 55% if u have the primed ones

[viscid hazel]

I... did not know this... I always wondered why everyone raved about the bane mods... I sold all mine

[violet silo]

you press shift at a wall how is apm relevant to invis builds

[little field]

133%/155%

[solar reef]

Roar functions the same way

Roar is additive to faction mods

[dire merlin]

X1,33/1,55

[wary forge]

Banes are broken just people dont like having to swap them between missions

[mighty flare]

wall latching ~8s versus chilling wherever for minutes

[viscid hazel]

I also had the same question about roar...

What if I told you I'm LR6

[solar reef]

wouldnt shock me, the mastery rush means nothing

[little field]

because apparently the non persistence build requores alot more form swapping for health

[solar reef]

lots of people join up now and rush to LR without diving into building

[violet silo]

I mean, sure, but its a platform
thats pretty much the only action you need to take

[little field]

and i font have the hand capacityt or energy for that

[violet silo]

no, you just go invis

[dire merlin]

i think ennemies are grineers like 70% of the time or sum like this, but yes swapping can be confusing

[solar reef]

for level cap reasons you basically only need grineer mods

[violet silo]

corpus are pushovers

[solar reef]

since Cascade fissures are just grineers

[mighty flare]

again, action per second versus per minute, some ppl just like whats more convenient

[wary forge]

The only like “challenging” factions that people actually fight at high levels are grineer or corrupted really

[pale echo]

Roar is the only one that’s additive, right?
Or are Nourish/Eclipse also additive?

[viscid hazel]

thank you I levelled everything in the game and rushed steel path before I even began to pay attention to core game mechanics, I neglected a lot of the game just for the shiny LR6 badge looool

[dire merlin]

doesnt it rotate ? forgot

[solar reef]

not the fissure

[solar reef]

No and why would nourish be additive with banes

[dire merlin]

give blessings plz im poor 😔

[solar reef]

Nourish acts like modded elem

[dire merlin]

ah ok

[pale echo]

Just checking.

[viscid hazel]

mine actually just reset where do you wanna meet and which blessing

[solar reef]

Eclipse is final though

its just that unless your weapon double dips with Eclipse its not usually worth using instead of roar

[wind veldt]

If you're doing omni cascade you want to use orokin bane since majority of enemies will get corrupted and have their faction type change to orokin 👍

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-peggle-puzz-mid-video-high-gif-553759000954454273

[viscid hazel]

@solar reef @wary forge ty for your help friendos, I'll re-invest in bane mods

[solar reef]

cant get orokin on rivens so nty

[dire merlin]

thx a lot, not now sorry i gtg sleep, have an exam tomorrow but i prefer to discuss about warframe multiplicative mods T-T (tomorrow would be real nice tho XD)

[solar reef]

I roll for Grineer, Corpus/-Harmless for almost every weapon I use but dont tell anybody

[wind veldt]

Good old racism riven

Valid i suppose

[pale echo]

Final?

[solar reef]

i wish they’d add more to em

[dire merlin]

void lugger 😭 🙏

[solar reef]

God i’d love grineer,orokin,fr/-harmless on a roll