builds-discussion

[pale belfry]

over*

[north peak]

i wonder how many transmuters i've used

[scenic echo]

Question for yall

How would you build the sepulcrum with a riven for +180% crit dmg, -50% fire rate?

[old charm]

If you’ve already got the tennocon digital ticket, a lot of those baro mods can just wait for that

[pale belfry]

selling stuff and standing mods is enough

aya as well

[north peak]

you're going to hate me but i'd reroll because -firerate on anything but a semi-auto weapon that can use a cannonade mod is a completely uphill battle in my opinion

[scenic echo]

So far I’ve played around with a enervate build running acceleration for 90% firerate to offset

But I haven’t tested any of it yet

And beforehand I had the riven at 290% dmg and 96% firerate

Which I stupidly rerolled for more crit, before realizing the weapon really hungers damage up

[pale belfry]

I personally dont use semi mods on almost all my weapons

kinda suck

[scenic echo]

I mean normally I’d agree, but I have 7 forma in and other weapons to riven reroll, so trying to do what I can to make it work lmao

Worst case I’ll reroll it lol

[violet silo]

good on a few weapons that don’t want FR that badly

like latron

[pale belfry]

i got latron heat inherit

so i dont use that one

even my ogris, i still dont use it

[violet silo]

heat inherit

[scenic echo]

But so how’d you build the sepulcrum

[pale belfry]

good question, i dont

[scenic echo]

Cause I was originally going all heat dmg with cascadia flare

[pale belfry]

[scenic echo]

Fair

But if u did

[violet silo]

Heat inherit should genuinely be removed from this game

[pale belfry]

he have tox, electrictity and blast,...

[violet silo]

just make heat work like the other statuses it’ll be better

[pale belfry]

you should said remove "DOT" from this game

[violet silo]

…what?

[pale belfry]

heat inherit is type of DOT build

[solar reef]

yesn’t

[pale belfry]

the same with tox, elect, blast,...

[solar reef]

for frames like Ember heat inherent is almost entirely a negative since it just cripples your weapons

[violet silo]

heat inherit literally only works with heat tho

[scenic echo]

Again - HOW would you build sepulcrum

With a crit dmg +180
-fire rate -50

[sly island]

Guys is those stats are good?

[pale belfry]

all just go the same place, make the DOT work

[scenic echo]

Not if/should I build it

I’ve already built it

We’re in too deep lads, we’re looking at patch options

[solar reef]

imo heat should be set to inheret the STRONGEST stack instead

[north peak]

say whats the other stat on the riven?

[queen sandal]

Heliocor my beloved

[scenic echo]

I think +puncture dmg

[violet silo]

sure

[eternal glacier]

Should i reroll?

[solar reef]

twin ill be so for real dont roll harmony

[violet silo]

heat is the only problematic dot tho

[sly island]

Alr

[solar reef]

Its riven dispo makes functionally every roll unslottable

[north peak]

not ideal but hey the weapon is mostly puncture i suppose - soooooo

[eternal glacier]

So how much should i sell this for

[fleet veldt]

I cant find buyers for syndicate mods sadly

[pale belfry]

the same with tox, electrictity and blast

[scenic echo]

Exactly

That’s why I’m thinking a enervate build - but I didn’t have time to test

But I got crit dmg to 11.4x

But dmg went from 800 to 300

[violet silo]

no
we’re talking about heat inherit stop bringing up statuses that don’t have it

[solar reef]

call it 20

[violet silo]

heat inherit is a problem with heat, every other dot is fine

[pale belfry]

you said remove heat inherit, you should said remove DOT mechanic instead

all are DOT

[solar reef]

heat inherent doesnt function like other DOT’s

[scenic echo]

I get it I get it

Sepulcrum is inherent heat

But regardless

This is about the RIVEN

[eternal glacier]

Rip

[violet silo]

but heat is the only one with a problem, the other dots are fine

[pale belfry]

its technically DOT

[solar reef]

thats not the point

thats not what is being argued

[violet silo]

why would we remove every single one if only one of them has a problem

[pale belfry]

whats the problem you talking about

[solar reef]

They are saying that Heat DOT’s should function like other DOT’s

[violet silo]

heat inherit

[pale belfry]

I feel its fine with heat inherit

[scenic echo]

Bruh

[violet silo]

heat inherit can kill heat frames, esp if being used as a platform

[pale belfry]

and personally im not run heat inherit on all my build, i usually patch with elect (not influence) or tox

[solar reef]

heat inherent is fine except for the cases where it should be great

Its absolutely attrocious on Ember

[violet silo]

hurts uriel a lot too

[solar reef]

Just using an ability ruins her damage output as a platformer

[versed harbor]

we love griefing everyones heat dmg >:]

[solar reef]

on the brightside uriel can acid shells sorta

so its less of an issue

[scenic echo]

Idc about the DOT and inherent heat argument

Let’s focus on the question I posted

RIVEN

SEPULCRUM

180% crit. Dmg
-50% firerate

What build do u do????

[violet silo]

it’s a lot worse tho cuz of heat inherit

[pale belfry]

only problem i got is heat inherit with temple, idk if they fixed it or not

[solar reef]

reroll

[scenic echo]

Not asking that

Asking how you’d build it

[violet silo]

all that passive heat kills acid shells’ dmg output

[versed harbor]

fire rate negative kills it

[scenic echo]

If I’m rerolling idc about asking in builds discussion cause ik what I’m looking for

[solar reef]

for which frame

[scenic echo]

Offset with acceleration

Let’s not think about the firerate

Let’s think about the high crit

[solar reef]

it matters

[violet silo]

why do you have to, that’s a terrible riven

[versed harbor]

why run a riven if u have to spend an arcane slot to make it usable

[solar reef]

hell on that note, why even use sepulcrum

[pale belfry]

sell or disolve the riven and you dont have to think about that

[north peak]

sent you some build ideas

[scenic echo]

Because I find that fun?

[north peak]

entrati weapons go hard

[pale belfry]

idk why people getting so crazy into riven build

[scenic echo]

Nah I would rather build the weapon

Per the question

[scenic echo]

Dope

Ty

[violet silo]

you find -FR fun?

[pale belfry]

riven should be the last option

[solar reef]

this is such cope

[versed harbor]

cope riven on cope gun rip

[scenic echo]

If I can build around it

Like my -status duration hespar with the one status duration mod on it to compensate

[scenic echo]

I mean it will get prime eventually

[pale belfry]

...

[solar reef]

if you have to build around a negative then its a bad riven

[pale belfry]

aight, time to end this conversation

[versed harbor]

that isnt building around it bruh thats just using an extra mod slot for barely a benefit

[sly island]

@solar reef which arcane worth to use on my harmony I try make a build 20k+ dmg

[scenic echo]

Isn’t a cope

Legit question

[solar reef]

only 20k????

harmony does billions lol

[violet silo]

The point of rivens is to use less slots

[solar reef]

run afflictions

[sly island]

Alr

[scenic echo]

It’s worth is in building around it for the benefits that you cannot get with normal mods

Like even more crit dmg

[solar reef]

read what its gimmick does before you even start building it

[violet silo]

fun fact
you can get that with normal mods

[scenic echo]

Or to boost stats beyond what you can without riven mods

I think people keep forgetting that instead of slurping meta juice

[sly island]

Yeah thx for the tips

[versed harbor]

guarantee a hespar riven isnt matching a reg mod

[scenic echo]

No you can’t

If you’ve used all mod solutions you can push past the cap via riven

[scenic echo]

I can take that bet

[pale belfry]

riven is a meta way

[scenic echo]

But you still wouldn’t believe it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[versed harbor]

u arent using all mod solutions if you have a slot free for status duration be fr

[violet silo]

i’m not slurping meta juice i’m telling you that killing your fire rate will hurt ur build more than help it

[solar reef]

basically, the idea is that it compiles all stacks of status into one separate damage instance-
afflictions adds stacks of applied status to lifted enemies-
Harmony is a scythe, thus forced slash on heavies and forced lift-

[scenic echo]

No it’s meant to upgrade weapons that are less viable in the meta

Not be used solely on meta weapons

[solar reef]

more slash stacks = compiled damage

[scenic echo]

I agree

But I’m asking moreso about if enervate is worth it on the sepulcrum

Since that’s the main boon the riven delivers

[solar reef]

https://overframe.gg/build/691427/harmony/harmony-x5-heavy-spam-expedite-melee-afflictions/

[pale belfry]

if you cant build a weapon properly wihout asking people here, i dont think you know whats the point of riven

[solar reef]

the extra crit damage does not make up for the slot you have to waste trying to fix its negative

[scenic echo]

I normally would be fine

But I asked BUILD DISCUSSIONS

To DISCUSS what other builds people would consider given the cicumstances

[solar reef]

the consideration we give is to drop the riven

[pale belfry]

build idsscussions but where is your build

[scenic echo]

What if all crit mods are used together

Pushes the normal max 8x crit to 11.5x crit dmg

[pale belfry]

we can build wihout touching the weapon

[solar reef]

then you get diminishing returns

[violet silo]

I don’t think enervate is good here

sepulcrum has decent crit

[scenic echo]

I was literally saying used all crit dmg mods - to get 11.5x crit

[solar reef]

enervate is almost exclusively preferred on weapons with bad base CC, such as Nukor

[pale belfry]

show the build and people will say hows your config

[solar reef]

you wouldnt use it here

[scenic echo]

THANK YOU FOR SOME FEEDBACK - GOAT RIGHT HERE

Makes sense since a simple crit -fr mod would make it 90% crit chance

So prob either replace target cracker or another route

[pale belfry]

if your build could deal orange above, using enervate is pointless

[violet silo]

I wanna see this build cuz wdym ur using 5 crit dmg mods on a build

[solar reef]

thats yikes

[violet silo]

the amount of slots this build is wasting has gotta be legendary

[chrome badge]

either its a build or theres larping taking place

[pale belfry]

[solar reef]

• a riven

[vestal temple]

why

[chrome badge]

i see 4 mods

there must be a riven then

[solar reef]

they have a riven but it sucks

[chrome badge]

oh dearie

[solar reef]

they refuse to deslot it
+CD

it has -FR

[pale belfry]

people nowaday getting crazy into riven

[chrome badge]

no

[pale belfry]

cant live without riven

[chrome badge]

people nowadays getting crazy into GAMBLING

we love Gambling Liquid

[pale belfry]

I gambling archon shards

[scenic echo]

It’s just to see what would happen!!!!!

[violet silo]

https://tenor.com/view/kuva-riven-warframe-meme-warframe-meme-gif-5273051763741474746

[scenic echo]

It’s for SCIENCE

But obv the enervate is not the call

So reroll it is ಥ_ಥ

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-riven-mod-gif-13412032535025711840

[pale belfry]

https://www.underframe.site/home

then use this if you want

SCIENCE

[scenic echo]

You mean overframe?

[chrome badge]

no

[scenic echo]

Yeah but I used kuva

[chrome badge]

Underframe

[solar reef]

underframe is a damage calc

[chrome badge]

Overframe mid, ninjase is like carrying that site

[scenic echo]

Why would I damage calc a riven that doesn’t exist lmao

[pale belfry]

with mid build

[scenic echo]

I run it by the seat of my pants!!!!

[chrome badge]

what

[solar reef]

practical test everything at level cap cascade

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[proud kestrel]

Why is it that when I use weapons like laetum or Burston incarnon, I am actually able to damage certain enemies like legacytes and voidrigs but when I use literally anything else, I do no damage?? Is it something to do with the weapon itself or is it more so the modding?

[chrome badge]

both

[pale belfry]

laetum should go with crit build if you want more dmg

noncrit is cheap way to finish the build

[chrome badge]

not what theyre asking Can

[violet silo]

you add it

[proud kestrel]

I don’t get it cuz the stats show my sycotid doing 4k per projectile while my laetum shows just 1k but laetum deletes everything while sycotid doesn’t even scratch the lvl 400 voidrigs

[fierce lark]

stats screen doesn't show the full picture

especially when it comes to incarnon weapons

[solar reef]

also scyotid isnt a dps weapon

its a utility tool

[chrome badge]

No one uses scyotid as a weapon

It’s just a grouper

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/benefishial-beneficial-shrimple-grouper-clamplicated-gif-26440220

[fierce lark]

scyotid doesn't have a separate buff that says +50% headshot damage, or another separate buff that says +2000% damage randomly on non-crits, or +1200% base damage

[solar reef]

just build scyotid for fire rate ammo max and multishot

as much multishot as possible

but no conditional multishot because thats stinky

[chrome badge]

Mhm

[proud kestrel]

I just used the sycotid as an example. Whenever I go into archimedia with what I think are fully built weapons like cyanex or those 1999 weapons, it does nothing besides clear the trash enemies. Same goes for eidolon lures, those bots in descendia, or just tanky boss enemies. I usually invest a lot into these weapons and follow guides

[fierce lark]

better weapons are better, is the tl;dr

you said "none of my weapons feel as good as these two" and then listed two of the best-in class weapons in the game

it's just weapon diff

[chrome badge]

cyanex is fire, dunno how youre not fighting tankier enemies with it

[fierce lark]

burston prime incarnon is like, depending who you ask top 1 primary weapon in the game

same with laetum

[proud kestrel]

It’s not about feeling as good it’s just that they’re one of the few weapons in my arsenal that is able to kill voidrigs in like 2 seconds

[chrome badge]

as for the 1999 weapons from minerva... those uhhhhh leave alot to be desired

[proud kestrel]

Others take over a minute

[fierce lark]

yeah, again, weapon diff

[chrome badge]

still you're comparing the best weapons to literally aanything else

[fierce lark]

there's a pretty gargantuan difference between random weapons that are nowhere near top tier vs the literal best rifle and best pistol in the game

and the burston prime in particular excels at exactly that, single target dps

[proud kestrel]

Dang.. I wish all weapons were viable for archimedia at most

[chrome badge]

thats like saying my atomic bomb destroys things faster than my bicycle

[fierce lark]

they are

[chrome badge]

they are

[fierce lark]

or at least almost all of them

[chrome badge]

i just be using doohickeys that i havent touched in months and still do fine

[fierce lark]

nothing is ever gonna be as good as a burston prime but like

i built the shitty stradavar prime for EDA last week and only had ember to buff it, and it worked fine, still killed things

[violet silo]

weapons may be bad, but mods are good

[proud kestrel]

Able to kill the voidrigs and legacytes?

[chrome badge]

voidrigs and legacytes are weak even in sp

[fierce lark]

not sure about mechs, didn't have disruption last week

but ive killed legacytes with some sus stuff

[chrome badge]

and most of time in Archimedias

[fierce lark]

also, if you ever have a truly bad loadout for archimedea, you can abuse archgun deployer

especially now that they've allowed you to use that with gear embargo

[chrome badge]

Larkspur go brrrrr

[fierce lark]

there's actually just nothing stopping you from brute forcing every single eda/eta week with a grattler or maus or larkspur

and baro is still up with primed combustion rounds & dual rounds lol

[wary forge]

or nechramech depending on modifies but ye

[proud kestrel]

Does nokko’s archgun work?

[wary forge]

its ussally pretty free with either archgun or nechamech

[fierce lark]

idk haven't used it

[chrome badge]

bonewidow + anything = profit

[chrome badge]

same -_-

[wary forge]

abrucept is good

[chrome badge]

i cant be bothered to collect shooms

[wary forge]

for like specifily eda/eta i would just gratler

[chrome badge]

i love larkspur with enervate

[fierce lark]

i should just spend plat on the archun adapters so i can stop using naramon but cba

[chrome badge]

id never spend plat on those things

nokkos bounties are pretty fast

[old charm]

I use dexterity arcanes and naramon personally

[wary forge]

just put them on ur primary and secondary not like ur using them in a melee build anyways

[inner raptor]

not anymore...

[wary forge]

they all stack tho so like u get like 30 seconds of combo duration

[inner raptor]

theyre like a quick farm in deepmine bounties

[wary forge]

if u got one in primary secondary adn 2 in arch gun

[old charm]

I don’t equip primaries and secondaries

[wary forge]

why

[inner raptor]

filthy fissure man

[old charm]

Dilutes fissure bonuses, but also, holding Q to equip every mission and anytime you transition modes like to archwing is annoying as heck

Idk what default keybinds for things are fyi

[chrome badge]

what

[wary forge]

why would you need a fissure bonus tho also ur just missing out on amalgam barrel diffusion for free roll speed even if u dont use them u should still have them equiped its just cope to not

[chrome badge]

fissures are not that serious

[old charm]

The roll speed really doesn’t do much, I use Arcane Circumvent even and didn’t find it particularly useful. Always having melee damage or strength/range as fissure bonuses on my Excalibur melee only setup is definitely worth it

[chrome badge]

but wtvr, to each theyre own

[wary forge]

it does tho

worth it when u do damage cap on exalted blade anyways ok

[old charm]

I have a grimoire stat stick setup that has things like amalgam barrel diffusion and didn’t find it helpful. Once you’re used to particular timings for things, you’re better off sticking to it

[old charm]

Overkilling things by 100x even at level cap isn’t particular useful

[wary forge]

exaclty my point so why say u want to play for fissure bonus

[old charm]

I tune a lot of my builds going to level cap around those bonuses, especially in void cascade where you can have one all the time

[wary forge]

theres no a single cap build that requires u to have fissure tho lmao

[old charm]

My most recent level cap runs involved 177% strength and no subsume which worked just fine at 1 shotting thrax ghosts even at level cap

[proud kestrel]

Yeah maybe I am wrong for expecting weapons to work well for every situation and without external buffs

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thrax ghosts are always easy tho

[old charm]

I even ran surging dash while having dext arcanes on heavy weapon and naramon just for the memes

[fierce lark]

game of maths, weapons are all better/worse than each other numerically

[wary forge]

i mean yeah its excalibur ur gonna one shot everything so why even play for fissure bonus and not equip a primary and seconday so u can dexterity and just have more comfiness

[old charm]

Those thraxes are the most limiting thing in void cascade, so its the standard for top end damage requirements. One Slash Dash killing them is all that’s needed

Talking Slash Dash without Exalted Blade drawn too

[chrome badge]

i find them easy to obliterate

but then again, i dont play excal

[pale belfry]

thrax is just too boring unit

even easier with old peace update

[chrome badge]

theyre just worse vomvolysts

WAIT THEY ARE VOMVOLYSTS

[pale belfry]

i like demolisher than them

[old charm]

Exactly, the attenuation nerfs changed my builds a lot because it really freed up the top end requirements

[wary forge]

game become easier post jade shadows

[pale belfry]

because they could disable your ability

[old charm]

That’s where no subsume melee afflictions excalibur does just fine at killing them, especially with arcane circumvent

Can just Slash Dash and melee them and not worry about the nullifier effect, furious javelin not even required

[solar reef]

maybe the real exalted blade was the ceramic dagger incarnon we met along the way

[mental night]

yall got any decent Jupiter build? cant figure out how to get this to do the damage it was doin in Duviri

[pale belfry]

ceramic dagger is the best one. low effort for outburst arcane and boost parkour velocity,...

[wary forge]

https://overframe.gg/build/817442/efv-5-jupiter/efv-5-rifle-shotgun-viral-corro-mag/

[solar reef]

do note that the jupiter isnt anything write home about

you wont get it to do magical things

[fierce lark]

some amount of this can probably be attributed to decrees

[wary forge]

yeah i mean its not that bad if u use it in shotgun mode tho

[solar reef]

god what I would do for Molten Mettle to be an augment

it literally would have perfect as an ash augment during stalker season since everything is heat based anyways

[mental night]

its handlin level 80 stuff mostly fine, its a fun gun to just bring for the sake of it

[solar reef]

every gun handles level 80 fine

[mental night]

this is what i got on it thusfar

[solar reef]

even a stick looks like excalibur when you’re swinging it at mice

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318

[wary forge]

rank 7 galv chamber ur missing a mod and arcane

and wondering why its not doing damage

[solar reef]

wheres you CD mod

[mental night]

ive asked what CD is like, 30 times. nobody t ells me

what is CD

[solar reef]

crit damage

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/934062419733536768/1081255061688160266/678BF311-C300-4284-BF9E-7BFADA0DA42B.gif

[mental night]

i aint got like, any space on this rn

[sly island]

@solar reef thx alot btw for the help I enjoy playing harmony now with Uriel

[wary forge]

so then forma it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153013372820934716/1505616345562222673/meme.gif

[mental night]

mm. maybe

[sly island]

Alr did

[mental night]

once i get an affinity booster

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/tesla-and-einstein-luma-ai-gif-14475294631445060178

[wary forge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-understand-gif-13038258428807764009

[timid pivot]

This gotta be a good roll right?

[fierce lark]

nope that's awful

[wary forge]

might be the worst role ive ever seen

[timid pivot]

Damn, but there's no negative?

[wary forge]

u want a negative....

[timid pivot]

Why??

[astral tinsel]

makes the positives stronger

[deep grotto]

Bro hasn’t heard of Sanctuary Onslaught

[wary forge]

boosts the positives by 30%

[timid pivot]

I did not know that that's good to know

[fierce lark]

but also the positives are just not good

[crystal island]

should i rerole?

[deep grotto]

Hence why 3 positives and A Negative are the usual ideal setup

[fierce lark]

+toxin is okay but by itself it's just worse than maligma force

[deep grotto]

Negative attack speed 😭

[fierce lark]

i'd keep

[deep grotto]

That’s pretty funny

[fierce lark]

-AS is harmless

[wary forge]

Yes u really want Crit chance

[astral tinsel]

wiki says 23.75-25%

[peak crown]

how people do oneshots on excal with 1 skill? i want do this too
it's my build but i have not much damage (but from 4-th skill i have not bad damage at least for low SP +- 300 lvl)

[fierce lark]

i don't rly think you need cc on a magistar riven? you're already sac steel + blood rush

[wary forge]

You do

Bis riven is cc Md

[crystal island]

just rerole lk 20 times all ready no good role at all

[astral tinsel]

blood rush on a heavy attack build?

[fierce lark]

i find it very hard to believe cc is in any way better than cd

[novel bear]

No it’s not
Lengthens slam animation
It’s awful

[wary forge]

It is u just cancel slam with roll anyways what

[fierce lark]

there's a slam animation?

[crystal island]

isnt it for red crit damage?

[fierce lark]

ive never not rolled after a slam lol

[wary forge]

Ur 8x combo blood rush is still 360% cc

[fierce lark]

magistar inc has +30 ic and you run corrupt charge on the build normally, so it's an 8x heavy build

[wary forge]

Why u using killing blow

[crystal island]

cuz i dont need cd

[wary forge]

Also your riven is ussaly the pressure point spot

[wary forge]

It’s not cd tho that spot

It’s focus energy/radon

[fierce lark]

it's corrupt charge unless you're running ready steel

[crystal island]

curant damage btw

[fierce lark]

you need an IC mod to hit 6x for incarnon

without light attacking

[wary forge]

I just noticed that yeah no corrupt

There’s literally no reason for pressure point to be on ur build

When ur riven gives u base dmg

[astral tinsel]

280%

[crystal island]

what should i replace

[wary forge]

You don’t need to mod for cd if ur using galv steel and shards

[fierce lark]

pressure point is fine, there's not really anything better for the slot, you have to stack something

but kb needs to be an IC mod, having to light attack to 6x for incarnon is actually atrocious

[astral tinsel]

how do you even fit everything

[crystal island]

6 forma?

[wary forge]

Take out pressure point for corrupt charge and killing for focus

[peak crown]

guys? so can anyone suggest good build for excal for oneshoting with first skill?

[astral tinsel]

slot-wise, I mean

but I could just be misinformed, I don't play slamspam builds

[fierce lark]

focus radon turns toxin into corrosive which is going to make corpus and corrupted corpus shieldgate your slams

[sly island]

Orokin reactor is I don't miss speal the name is give point slot

[wary forge]

Ye if ur vs corpus go radon if ur vs grinner go energy

[crystal island]

i guess my damage is good enough

[astral tinsel]

1. it's catalyst for weapons
2. I was talking about slots, not capacity

[fierce lark]

it's magistar, just keep pure toxin and don't think about it, it will 1shot every enemy in the game up to and including levelcap thrax grineer corrupted acolytes everything

[wary forge]

Yep

[peak crown]

how this build oneshots everything in SP?

[fierce lark]

same reason why i don't understand why ppl pay for magistar rivens

[peak crown]

i can translate to english all mods if it needs

[sly island]

Oh alr mb

[fierce lark]

magistar riven improves the ttk by 0.00s

[wary forge]

It just makes it more consistent

[fierce lark]

you can't make it faster than 0

[wary forge]

It’s mainly just for level cap tho anything else u don’t need a riven

[fierce lark]

even at levelcap everything dies in 1 slam

[wary forge]

I mean without buffs and stuff u have to strip

[fierce lark]

levelcap thrax don't have 50m+ hp

[crystal island]

the highest damg i did is 900m

[peak crown]

guys you ignoring me? :/

[wary forge]

With like xatas ur gonna kill most of the time but yeah

[crystal island]

brathe chill

[wary forge]

A lot of people like to use infested mobility and just run around or some builds can’t use damage buffing subsumes

[peak crown]

i just rly dont understand why that guy have 200 mln damage per skill with 150+- str while i have 214-300 str and i do only 2-10 mln

[crystal island]

@wary forge this lowk works better

[wary forge]

W

Also Nira mods on your Warframe and arcane fury

[peak crown]

so can anyone please explain me HOW to do this? how it works? what i do wrong?

[crystal island]

yesss this my final build

@wary forge tysm

[viscid bane]

I can explain. We can switch to DMs and switch to russian there so we don't pollute the chat

[wary forge]

Np

[peak crown]

okay

[sly island]

I don't Even know how much my uriel build do cuz is count at each sec

[crystal island]

LMAO

[fierce lark]

“i have a magistar” ftfy

[sweet jolt]

Anybody has pointers on building the dual viciss?

[placid vale]

New player here. Just got a shard. Was thinking about using it on oraxia as it is my main but not sure what to choose
Or should I use it in another Warframe?

[violet silo]

yeah, yellow isnt great on her I dont think

use it somewhere else

[placid vale]

My second most used Warframes are mag and voruna, is it worth in any of those?

[north peak]

purgator-1! (komorex, too but thats a sniper if you wanna get picky (and sporothrix with that augment i think))

[violet silo]

yeah, either one

cast speed

[fierce lark]

sporo would have to be without the aug, the augment locks the pt iirc

[north peak]

actually its listed as being locked to 0 punchthrough without the aug

[fierce lark]

i has it backweirds

[cursive mulch]

does purgator have multiplicative gunco?

[sharp portal]

Assuming nobody answer my question in the gameplay channel, I'll ask here

What are the buffs that Umbra makes you lose once you change to operator?

Cus I've play hin for a while and I dont lose anything

[viscid bane]

Excal's waves don't benefit from blood rush right?

[old nimbus]

hey guys, ive just got to general sargas ruk but i think im doing something wrong as i spent about 20 minutes fighting him and he only got to a bit below half, i was using the boltor but i also have access to the paris, braton and thornbak. im a melee user so idk what to use for this fight

[fierce lark]

no

[north peak]

ok so the general rule of thumb is that subsumed abilities that rely on duration will be remove from your excalibur umbra (unless you use the augment that disables his sentience) , some non-duration based abilities will also be removed as well because they dont seem to like being transfered over to a specter.

so like yareli's aquablades will be dispelled every time you go operator or wrathful advance will go away (less of an issue since it had a short duration anyways and you just keep casting it over and over)

another example is that koumei's omamori also gets dispelled, but it appears as if it hasnt since you'll still have the ribbon things floating around you, but you can check your abilities bar to see it is no longer active and needs to be recast

[sharp portal]

Thats the thing, spelled buffs of any kind just dont dissapear

[north peak]

oh man if they randomly patched it recently i'll be so happy, going into the simulacrum rn

[sharp portal]

You'll tell me

[north peak]

back from the simulacrum and yeah wrathful advance still gets ended early by switching to and from operator

[sharp portal]

Maybe some specific subsumes?

[north peak]

thats why i said general rule of thumb, i know hideous resistance of all things doesnt get dispelled by going operator

[sharp portal]

Weeeird, in my case doesn't happen

[north peak]

honorable mention to the following arcanes:

• arcane blessing (+max health per orb picked up) doesnt transfer over to umbra, but any damage taken by umbra affects your health when you switch back to him (unless he is downed) your health will drop down to whatever umbra's max health would be without arcane blessing (aka switching to and from operator will drain 1200hp every time)
• arcane circumvent (steal shields/armor/overguard) doesnt transfer over to umbra either, but it doesnt -remove- overguard that you gained
• arcane persistence (remove shields and gain a healthgate) DOES remove umbra's shields, but it does NOT limit how much damage he can take a second soooo he kinda just dies instantly since he has no shieldgate to save him

[north peak]

are you using the Warrior's Rest Augment?

[sharp portal]

I didn't even know that existed lol

[north peak]

strange! could I see what your setup is like?

[sharp portal]

And Im sure the guy stills moving himself, Im confused as well

[sharp portal]

The mod build?

[north peak]

yes please

[sly island]

Bruh my harmony riven +98 X2 Crit change on heavy attack +93 Melee dmg +46 heat and -45.2 status durations is that worth to use?

[sharp portal]

Nothing that improved

I actually need to change some things

[north peak]

sooo you dont have any subsumed abilities?

[sharp portal]

Nope

Full vanilla set

[north peak]

then you have virtually nothing to worry about

[sharp portal]

Only happens with my own subsumes habilities?

[north peak]

because its subsumed abilities that typically get dispelled when switching to/from operator

[sharp portal]

º

[sharp portal]

I realized, 18k Endo what

[viscid bane]

Is it better to go viral+elec or pure elec for excal?

For influence build

[north peak]

do you have a companion that already inflicts viral procs for you? (panzer vulpaphyla for example)

[viscid bane]

Yea, I assume pure elec then?

[north peak]

bingo bongo

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hey so im stealing this?

[vestal temple]

mean

[north peak]

@next tendon the riven just lets me use something besides condition overload, could put that there instead and get similar/better mileage

you will need to outsource your critical chance with something like wrathful advance tho

[next tendon]

i will use gladitor might

[north peak]

it only has like 5% crit chance by default

so uhhhh you could but you'd only have like 10% crit chance at max combo lol

[next tendon]

gladiator might gives 10% for every combo

[north peak]

and that 10% scales off your base combo

[next tendon]

are u sure i used on bo and got red crit

[north peak]

so 5% + (5% * 110%) = 10.5% crit chance on dark sword

[next tendon]

i i will use wrathful

or norish

[north peak]

could also rely on arcane avenger and/or a adarza kavat but those arent on-demand necessarily, wrathful is just cast-and-go - oh or harrow/sevagoth but eh

actually you do not want to use nourish with anything using melee doughty, because melee doughty requires your weapon to be as much puncture damage as possible

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yep

you want as much status weighting on doughty

[next tendon]

ok thx

[chrome badge]

i have like 30x or so from doughty on my halikar wraith

[next tendon]

crit damage its bad on this riven but yeah

[chrome badge]

is that... german?

[next tendon]

yeah

[north peak]

im still mad they nerfed doughty because of gara - making it so the crit multiplier doesnt apply to special attacks that deal non-puncture damage sucks

i had just finished making a syam doughty build, too

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doughty works wonderfully on Anku too btw

[north peak]

this is also true!

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bc the incarnon does not override the puncture but adds it ontop

[next tendon]

can u link ur build .-.

[chrome badge]

its so lovely doing millions of dmg for no reason

[north peak]

actually i dont have a proper setup for the anku personally

[chrome badge]

i do!

uhhhhhhh, gimme a sec to boot up

[old charm]

Doughty is so weird with how it changes depending on stance moveset

[next tendon]

i mean dark sword

[chrome badge]

;-;

i just booted up for anku

[north peak]

fr, makes it detrimental to try and use on hammers because every combo adds bonus impact at some point - but it does also work in your favor since Iron Pheonix's poke of death™ reduces your slash/impact damage by 90%

[next tendon]

anku incarnon good?

[north peak]

i'll still look at it lol

[old charm]

I remember it being weird too with syam’s heavy attack heat forced conversion. I haven’t ever done isolated testing to see if that changes happens before or after though

[north peak]

i really enjoy using it, has a fun little loop to it where you mix in a slide attack every so often so all your other attacks force slash procs

[north peak]

in my experience the bonus critical damage doesnt carry over since its a special move and you're also losing damage on the attack wave because IPS mods dont seem to apply to it - if you're leaning into the unique move its better rely on the projectile have multiCO (for some reason)

[old charm]

Its nothing particularly special in my opinion

[chrome badge]

disagree

[north peak]

but uhhh silver lining is you can do non-special move heavy attacks on syam by performing a slide first, but the nikana second-heavy attack is a little wonky to aim when you need to slide first every time

[chrome badge]

its quirky but i find my anku doing more dmg than my hate

which i also have a riven for

[old charm]

Yup, and this slide heavy REALLY sucks if you have a -slash riven for a doughty build 😄

[old charm]

Anku doesn’t throw projectiles though which is far more interesting to me at least. Melee only player problem probably

[north peak]

i thought slash status effects didnt scale with slash damage modifiers, just things like base damage/faction damage/elemental damage

[old charm]

Aaand second to that, I play Excalibur who has plenty of slash damage 😄

[chrome badge]

boooooo

[old charm]

I thought so too but a -slash riven really screws over that feature. It was even a problem before Techrot Encore when stat sticking for Slash Dash

[chrome badge]

ngl my anku riven is so nice

the -crit on slide is perfect too bc it dont want my slides doing dmg, i just want it to build combo and activate the gimmick

[north peak]

i'll poke around at that actually, that's neat to know

[old charm]

I swapped off using doughty on syam for this reason since I use the slide heavy alternative attack quite often on a few melee weapons. I think my last variation on it I was experimenting with blast and either duplicate or afflictions

Since it kind of needs -slash to make it worth it, sort of

It treads that line iirc

[north peak]

oh no i absolutely agree doughty syam isnt the ideal way to go, i only think like 3-5 melee weapons in the entire game get worthwile mileage out of the arcane and all it takes is a squadmate or alchemy objective to disrupt the entire setup

[old charm]

Looks like I was last experimenting with exposure and a heat/cold/-combo riven

So blast/toxin/corrosive giga damage, sheet damage on the build being 3153.4 without exposure up. Furious Javelin providing stupid increase past that

[old charm]

Doughty tbh has an obvious place on only one melee weapons if you so choose, coda motovre 😄

I also rolled a range/as/puncture/-slash okina riven and have been playing around with doughty on it because of that

[north peak]

so im back from toying around with a skana and syam riven that both have -slash and didnt find that the reduced slash damage affected the forced slash procs on either

they definitely did less initial damage on hit (which was very clear with the skana since its mostly slash) but syam's decent status chance and large puncture damage percentage allows doughty to compensate in that situation

[old charm]

I don’t remember if it reduced the initial hit or status damage

That makes sense though

The way it affected slash dash isn’t possible to test now as a point of comparison 😄

[north peak]

nah just the initial hit since it is a damage reduction, regardless tho doughty syam is an absolute sidetrack that i'd only really consider if DE made it so the special heavy attack didnt completely overwrite the default heavy since doughty doesnt apply to the energy wave

maybe if it required you to be blocking also? idk, kind of a beggars/choosers suggestion when other syam setups are objectively much better

[old charm]

What if they made it so that doughty also converted externally applied elemental damage to puncture?

[north peak]

oh that would be silly - still dont think it would have the scalability of afflictions or influence but it would be very nice since if im running doughty i feel like I need to know that playing public runs the risk of someone inadvertently reducing my own damage through no intentional fault of their own

[old charm]

Would fix the public matchmaking problem with it while also opening up some crazy stuff with like thermal transfer

The goal should be making other melee arcanes as powerful as influence or afflictions 🙂

That’s just a now thought of idea on ‘fixing’ doughty’s issues

A thought I’ve had for a while with Melee Duplicate would be to have the arcanes force the critical chance to 100% which would prevent external sources like Charm or Cat’s Eye from breaking it while also preventing you from having to do weird stuff to reach cc% with mods

[north peak]

alternatively if there was a way for it to 'exclude' external factors in the calculation I think that would help a bunch, but i bet a change like that would be accomplished by relying on the arsenal stat-screen's status value instead of an active snapshot (like how Mecha Overdrive or Hunter Synergy operate)

[old charm]

Coding wise, it could provide a +cc% relative to the base critical chance to reach exactly 100% and disable all other sources of critical chance

[north peak]

oops i meant for melee doughty!

[old charm]

Its at least possible knowing how Charm used to do that

[old charm]

Yeah I thought about that too, coding wise I would hope they could’ve done that already but apparently not 😄

[north peak]

I completely agree duplicate should lock you at no more than 100% crit chance and ignore external factors so it is properly active, for a legendary arcane I don't think it should have you jumping through that many hoops to maintain effectiveness when all the others (besides doughty lol) are so lenient

[old charm]

I think it would make it on par with afflictions and influence if it forced the cc% to 100%. On weapons with low cc% like Exalted Blade, it would make it a viable option for even just Slash Dash as an example. Other melee weapons would also benefit, but I look at Exalted Blade as the extreme example because of its total set of mechanics that includes Slash Dash

So you’d free up 1-2 mod slots

That’s a legendary arcane to me 😄

Crescendo was nice when it was 12/finisher bugged. At 6 it feels bad now

[north peak]

OH and i did test this, it was not worth it haha, exalted blade has such a low base status chance and puncture % that you'd barely even see more than a 1.0x bonus critical damage bonus for slash dash to rely on

and if you tried to build around the heavy attack (before they fixed the heavy attack not converting to elemental damage) with chromatic blade it was a very similar story - the cost of building into your worse stats outweighed the benefit of slightly increasing your critical damage and since heavy attacks waves dont scale with combo and the +puncture damage mods didnt apply to your purely elemental light attacks the 'most efficient' method was a heavy attack spam build (and that was boring as hell!)

actually hold on, i got a picture of the highest doughty bonus i could get on exalted blade

truly incredible stuff

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MMMMMMM i wanna hop into simulacrum just to showcase my anku but i have hw raaaaaaaaa

[static sphinx]

Does anyone have a good tenet plinx build?

[old charm]

FYI slam doesn’t receive Chromatic Blade’s benefit. This is especially powerful if you use a toxin modded EB with emissive as heat on an afflictions build. You can get Gas normally then slam to get toxin+corrosive that stacks from afflictions

Like as of current patch. I have a video about it showing a build variation of my normal Afflictions build that used to run gas+cold to make use of Archon Flow

Exalted Blade’s slam and heavy slam also lifts so it reliably procs afflictions

[north peak]

oh yeah i saw that video of yours pop up recently - very interesting stuff, but I completely overdosed on slam builds because of magistar being the best melee to bring into faceoff and i grinded A LOT of faceoff so i could get every single conclave mod and cosmetics

I use something similar your more simple slash dash afflictions / impetus setup since I really like the extra depth it gives to excalibur gameplay - was very fun to use it alongside an archgun with primary or secondary dexterity

still miss being able to subsume over exalted blade entirely back when stat sticking with a thing (not that i miss stat sticking tho), losing radial blind's crowd control to wrathful advance's raw damage is a shame

[old charm]

I’ve tried to get attention to the issues around slash dash and exalted blade but those threads get literally nuked on the forums.

I’ve suggested making Exalted Blade a static holstered/unholstered type weapon similar to how your equipped melee works and instead bound to his passive. That would let you subsume off Exalted Blade without making Slash Dash worthless

Common misconception with that idea is it wouldn’t work like garuda’s claws, just changing the way the 4 works to just holstered/unholstering versus summoning/unsummoning

[north peak]

yeah... cant talk about excalibur without people thinking you're only talking about excalibur because of excalibur prime's situation (and only his situation) rather then the actual mechanics of the frame itself

[old charm]

Yup, I can almost talk about that more often as a founder, but yet we still can’t which is dumb

Btw, made a thread about melee arcanes if you want to contribute https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1506886-suggestions-on-buffing-melee-arcanes-to-bring-them-to-the-tier-of-influence-and-afflictions/

[north peak]

i got a bud who mostly plays atlas and he constantly feels bad for me since building for landslide gives you 3 different abilities to subsume over but building for slash dash only gives you two abilities to (realistically) choose to replace

[old charm]

Yup, and even then, only 1 being radial blind. Furious Javelin is just too powerful to not use and most of my viewers based on a poll prefer using it

My solution to that problem is a radial blind augment called like “Sundering Blind” that gives it a ‘defensive stealing’ feature similar to Arcane Circumvent. Then even a cherry on top would be lifesteal on finishers for afflicted enemies. The defense stealing being like 10%/10sec base, the seconds only really applying to armor

That augment would compete with Furious Javelin but I’d likely end up using both and no subsume like i do now

[north peak]

excal could absolutely use some kind of defensive option besides just blinding targets, i agree - i'll type something up on that forum posts after work later too

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ummmmm atlas has only 2 abilities to subsume over

the wall and the rumblers

petrify is too valuable for mass petrification and ore gaze

[north peak]

well if you use rumbled there's a weird build there but im not familiar with it myself, my bud is the one that uses it to nuke demolysts on the spot (not a particular amazing feat these days but its still surpising to see happen in person)

[old charm]

I’ve sort of ignored Radial Blind in rework ideas, but tbh we’re due augments and this ‘defensive stealing’ is proven to be sufficient with Arcane Circumvent and how well that synergizes with Slash Dash. Radial Blind getting this feature wouldn’t make him any more powerful, just be another option with greater QoL and flexibility in gameplay

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yeah i only subsume over the wall bc the rumblers are nice enough to have

[north peak]

if every frame they release moving forward is going to be as self-sufficient as the as the last four have been then the older frames definitely deserve to be given at least a little more flexibility to even the playing field

[old charm]

Also, talking about melee doughty and converting external elemental bonuses to puncture, this would make it viable on any melee weapon if you have something like nourish

[north peak]

alright i gotta scurry off to work, thank you for the amazing conversation Agall, take care out there!

[viscid bane]

Does Viral quills dmg count for Synth Deconstruct?

[old charm]

In my testing, yes

[chrome badge]

pretty sure yea

[old charm]

Even Reflect counts

[viscid bane]

oh damn okay

[old charm]

Its a very powerful interaction

[chrome badge]

i never use panzer tho

[versed harbor]

it does work ye

[chrome badge]

it never does the viral quills as often as i want it to

[old charm]

Panzer OP, i only recently started using it like a few months ago. I still generally use Smeeta though

[chrome badge]

even if its in the top left corner of the mod menu

[versed harbor]

I only use panzer for some nukes otherwise diriga or other sentinels tbh

[chrome badge]

so it should be prioritized and yet its never used

[viscid bane]

I kinda hate using sentinels because I can't fit all the stuff I want into them

It always feels like you're sacrificing one of your children when modding them

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im liking my sunika kubrow

loving how it just obliterates an eximus

which is nice when running frames that rely on CC

since overguard blocks that

but we know this alr

[viscid bane]

Do you spread them?

[chrome badge]

what

[viscid bane]

You can spread the spore that inflict viral

by killing the enemy or shooring the spore

[chrome badge]

well i mean yeah

i do kill the procced enemy

maybe im just too good at also killing everything around them too

[viscid bane]

spread radius is 15 m

Aso wonder if Quillswork with Vicious Bond

[jovial flax]

Is tesla bank gyre a meme or is it actually pretty strong?

[old charm]

Vicious Bond is more dependent on your Warframe’s ability iirc

[versed harbor]

naw

[old charm]

Yeah, it doesn’t interact with companion abilities but your Warframe’s abilities

Err and I mistaken on that one?

[versed harbor]

vicious bond is the strip one

[old charm]

Per the wiki it is warframe abilities that trigger the spread

[versed harbor]

strip on melee hits but spreads if damaged by abilities

[old charm]

Yes, warframe/operator abilities

[timber sparrow]

theoretically i want to put terrify on equinox but which ability should i put it (and no, 1 isnt an option)

[versed harbor]

ye theyre asking if the quills can count as the melee hit

[old charm]

Don’t think so otherwise tandem bond would stack instantly

[versed harbor]

2

but u should drop 1 fr

[versed harbor]

see its rly tricky cuz wiki doesnt say pretty sure but the jase build guide says this

Tandem bond - good on frames requiring melee combo eg [Baruuk], [Gara], [Khora], [Atlas]. [Viral Quills] count as an extra 3 melee combo per spore, meaning Panzer attacking gains up to 18 combo per enemy hit (assuming up to 6 spores). You can reach x12 combo in 10 seconds if you add grouping.

I feel like ive not used panzer properly in so long I literally have no idea anymore 💀

[old charm]

I’ve spent a long time using panzer and tandem bond, what stacks it the best is actually Swipe

I don’t think I’ve ever seen quills provide combo

[versed harbor]

wouldnt swipe just make it use quills less

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would it???

[old charm]

Not sure, swipe too good

[chrome badge]

istg

[old charm]

Ive generally not has issues with panzer providing a ton of viral, but i only need 1 stack to stack it with slash dash

[chrome badge]

if thats why my panzer doesnt use viral quills i WILL crash out

[old charm]

Worth a test if you’re in game

[versed harbor]

swipes technically an ability so maybe

[old charm]

I basically only use kavats because of how good swipe is with tandem bond

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WRAHHHHHHH

[old charm]

But I’ve never not ran swipe with panzer and ive always used quills with panzer

[versed harbor]

just wasnt worth building cats for dmg / swipe back in the day and ive never gone back to a dmg pet even now that theyre pretty strong lul

I dont rly see the fun of having a companion that kills on its own

[fierce lark]

pretty sure swipe doesn't interact with abilities in any way, swipe itself isn't an ability

it just makes claws have higher range and hit multiple targets

[old charm]

See in my objectively proven to be factual experience, if you let your kavat do a lot of murders, they’re more likely to bless you with double drops 😄

Happy kitty = more loot

[versed harbor]

oh maybe im just mixing it with the other kavat attack mods tbh

why is there so many

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wabuffet

[old charm]

Swipe is the one where they get extra range and attack multiple enemies. It definitely allows Tandem Bond to stack more combo for you which is why I stick to Kavats. It was also required for kavats to be able to hit thrax ghosts when I did that before old peace to never have to go into operator during void cascade to kill thrax ghosts

[fierce lark]

it would be extremely weird if swipe was an actual ability given it's a claw mod and not a companion mod

but also like

put the diriga in the bag

[old charm]

Yeah I’m pretty sure its not an ability like sense fear or w/e its called

[viscid bane]

Speaking of Panzer is this the correct set up for priming?

[simple frost]

anyone wanna help me make a good general use akbronco prime build

[tawdry trail]

Get the exclusive mod from father

Damzav something

[simple frost]

i have it

[tawdry trail]

And then it's kind of just the same as most pistols

[fierce lark]

for pure priming you'd probably wanna run radon claws over synergy

[sullen python]

(Nyx prime) is rush a good exilus for her or should i go for power drift?

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pretty sure rush does nothing for absorb but i might be wrong

[sullen python]

i think you might be right

[chrome badge]

might be wrong too

[fleet briar]

Idk if this regards builds but im pretty sure it does, is 700 plat for a +319% critical chance, +3.5 range and -84% impact, a solid price for a bo riven?

[prime scarab]

Okay, so I am REALLY enjoying Assimilate Nyx. Its very run and gun but I'm getting a little bummed by exactly how bad it is to move around. Are there any decent tools to mitigate that? Sliding is helpful with praedos equipped but I would love to be able to do some kind of further movement.

[chrome badge]

wrong place to ask

[fleet briar]

Where should I ask?

[chrome badge]

void sling

[viscid bane]

extremely fun

[north peak]

Amalgam barrel diffusion can speed up your rolls a ton

[chrome badge]

that wouldnt work

[viscid bane]

It used to

did they change it?

[prime scarab]

Very interesting....and timely. I literally have that crafting in foundry RIGHT NOW.

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amar has smth no?

amars set bonus?

[tawdry trail]

There was a bug where bouncing on a Nokko shroom would restore parkour

[prime scarab]

I remember seeing that. Wonder if its still up.

[chrome badge]

oh what, Rift strike do work with nyx

[prime scarab]

Yeah that sounds fun then

[viscid bane]

Still does according to wiki

[chrome badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420749180674113577/1503883402871574712/image.gif

just said that silly goose

[viscid bane]

I was alt tabbed, I didn't see it

[prime scarab]

As of update 42 3/25/26, this Nyx interaction with Brightbonnet has been patched.

[spice willow]

what weapons are good with uriel? rn im using nataruk, might use vinquibus. also, why is vinquibus uriel's signature?

[prime scarab]

boo

[viscid bane]

It was released with him and was used by him in the quest

[prime scarab]

Okay so Rift Strike could be fun. I wonder if the double jump mods work on her, that might really help

oh wait are there any bonuses to movement from companions?

wait no there is a healing while wallrunning thing thats what I was thinking of

YO. Ruvox has an always active +1 jump count at incarnon 4.

[spice willow]

also, what weapons are good with him?

[tawdry trail]

Kuva sobek has the thing with acid shells on uriel

[chrome badge]

yeah bc infernum functions like resupply and adds an additional damage instance

[odd kestrel]

Potential Coda Motovore build, to be used with Kullervo + Rauta for combo stacking. I dunno, am I cooking or cooked?

[static sphinx]

Is this tenet plinx build I've found on overframe good?

[chrome badge]

cooked

why do you have so few mods

[odd kestrel]

The ones on the bottom are the mods I'm planning to put in.

[chrome badge]

and why are you stacking jugulus barbs and carnis mandible when you ideally want to stick with just 1 element

[chrome badge]

my bad

stick with 1 physical element tho

to maximize the passive and doughty

[odd kestrel]

Yeah, it's just that having equal slash and puncture lets me double dip on the passive.

[chrome badge]

it doesnt and from the screenie you somehow have prevaling slash

so you'll only benefit from slash's passive

[odd kestrel]

Holy 0.5 damage.

[chrome badge]

prevaling is prevaling

[odd kestrel]

Lmao.

[chrome badge]

i think im spelling that wrong

prevailing

i was infact spelling it wrong

also pop a potato on there but you know that alr

[odd kestrel]

Yerp.

[chrome badge]

yerp

[odd kestrel]

I'm just not sure if I want to invest in making this build or not.

[lavish shuttle]

Which one do I use/keep?

[old charm]

You’d want to stick to just stacking puncture mods and not using any slash or impact bonuses. The sheet damage will get stupid high which does translate nicely to kullervo

[old charm]

Why are you rolling wolf sledge rivens?

[lavish shuttle]

Cause I like wolf sledge

[old charm]

Then how are you building it?

[granite ginkgo]

i pick left just because it got better stat value than right'

[lavish shuttle]

Throwable bomb basically

[old charm]

Then the one on the left is more useful, but you’re going to run into a lot lot lot better options than either of those

[spice willow]

could you possibly make a list

[old charm]

Riven rolling for a purpose is going to be complicated since it’ll be build dependent, otherwise you’re going to have to link literally every single roll for us to actually help you

[wary forge]

Both of those are bad

[old charm]

You roll for what makes sense for the build you’re using unless you roll something actually profitable

[tawdry trail]

Idk I don't have uriel I just know his heat ammo pickups work with acid shella

[wary forge]

And also wolf sledge is just a worse Zaw/glaive

[granite ginkgo]

what reroll you need to stop when there a crit stat

[chrome badge]

wolf sledge is actually more status inclined

[old charm]

There’s no problem playing Wolf Sledge for fun, its just burning kuva without knowing what stats you should have for the build is just a waste of kuva

[wary forge]

That doesn’t matter

[granite ginkgo]

once u get crit chance or crit dmg, you can share in here to pick or not

[wary forge]

It’s literally just 100 times worse then a Zaw lol

[old charm]

Its not that simple

[granite ginkgo]

either which wolf sledge already have hight status base

[lavish shuttle]

But its 100 times more fun to throw : )

[chrome badge]

zaws are meh

Wolf sledge is more fun, i agree

[wary forge]

How is more fun it’s literally the same thing

[north peak]

hey fun fact: wolf sledge's throw can build stacks of melee animosity and benefits from melee animosity's crit chance bonus when thrown without resetting the bonus so long as you don't detonate it

up to you how useful that is, I just thought it was neat

[livid wadi]

What can be improved besides upgrading mods and arcanes

[wary forge]

Zaws are literally a top 3 weapon in the entire game

They are on the same level as slam

[chrome badge]

cap-ybara

[wary forge]

Its just not cap

Zaw is literally just a slam that u can throw lol

[old charm]

Y’all should really try playing other builds than what’s just advertised as ‘meta’ lol

[chrome badge]

indeed

[old charm]

Specifically talking about melee gameplay here too

[chrome badge]

indeed

[wary forge]

I mean Zaw atp I wouldn’t say is even that unknown

[chrome badge]

anti-meta is the meta

[wary forge]

I thought people knew that Zaws were op

[livid wadi]

Red numbers are crazy

[lavish shuttle]

Hence why I am throwing this hammer its fun to play around with

[old charm]

I still regularly use my nikana zaw since it was by far the easiest way to do guilty hardmode on excalibur

[chrome badge]

we love that

keep going gil

[wary forge]

Nikana Zaw u can get healing from the amalgam diakyu mod ye

[old charm]

And that’s perfectly okay, just realize that rivens are complicated and the two options you showed us were both bad for how you’re trying to use the weapon

The dispo on wolf sledge is high enough to where even a +2 riven with damage and something else is actually good

[crude lodge]

hey i need help with a few builds

[granite ginkgo]

@lavish shuttle here reference riven stat for wolf, it not that depth

[wary forge]

If you want to use it for fun then why invest in a riven tho that’s what I don’t get

[livid wadi]

Anything?

[old charm]

Rivens on a lot of weapons like that should be looked as mod consolidation tools with how cramped modding gets with things like Elementalist now a days. That’d be rolling like dmg/attack speed that replaces two mods and frees up a slot, if you want attack speed as an example

[old charm]

I’m not sure where this cd/as/rage nonsense comes from, but it definitely never got updated with Whispers in the Walls when they added arcanes

[wary forge]

Go collective curse

[old charm]

I’ve profited a ton when I roll those, but ffs, those rivens are no where close to best

[livid wadi]

Wdym

[wary forge]

His augment I mean mb

For his 2

[granite ginkgo]

u gotta chill brah, it for them to use not to sell

[chrome badge]

besides new arcanes, upgraded mods, id consider using his augment for his 2 to increase his survivability

[old charm]

I would use Arcane Persistence on him versus that first arcane. Even if its a rank 0

[granite ginkgo]

aww yeah another syam enjoyer

[old charm]

Triple umbral arcane persistence kullervo is easy mode

[chrome badge]

i mean high duration with his 2's augment is alr free

[old charm]

Then I wouldn’t advertise cd/range/as as the best options then lol

[granite ginkgo]

go ahead with the thesis what riven stat is META, not like op likely enjoy that

[old charm]

Its very easy for your overguard to get fully nuked once you start pushing higher levels. Using his 2 as a source of healing, status immunity, and ‘gate’ with persistence is like a whole other level

[wary forge]

Yeah range does nothing for wolf sledge lol

[old charm]

There are no meta riven stats, there’s particular riven stats that are best for particular melee weapons and their builds

[chrome badge]

mmm, maybe i should get kullervo for the 4th time to test that out

[lavish shuttle]

I said screw it rerolled
+221% crit chance
+113% crit damage
That better?

[granite ginkgo]

you keep yappin like but no statement

[granite ginkgo]

holy, what was wolf dispo atm

[old charm]

I actually have a build video on this. You can entirely ignore his #2 augment that way and its very comfortable versus the pretty alarming issues he can run into pushing enemy levels that can 1 shot his overguard

[chrome badge]

shameless plug lol

im joking

[granite ginkgo]

damn quite nice

[chrome badge]

it has like what 4-5 dispo rn

[old charm]

Yeah, its at least drop in to the build, but wolf sledge’s crit and crit damage are pretty bad

[wary forge]

You just cast his 2 and ur good it’s also just comfy to use and it continually applies blast to everything around you

[crude lodge]

Can someone help me?

[lavish shuttle]

Good question!

[chrome badge]

niles as soon as you post your builds you will get help

you are in fact in the builds discussion channel

[lavish shuttle]

Its at 4

[crude lodge]

I kinda cant i have no phone

[chrome badge]

awh i was close

[wary forge]

Are you on pc

[chrome badge]

theyre on xbox

[crude lodge]

xbox

[wary forge]

You can take a picture on Xbox and send it on discord

[spice wadi]

Whats the actuallt proper way of building Gauss Prime?

[old charm]

You could also just tell us what you’re trying to build and we can point you towards good builds

[granite ginkgo]

are you asking for the build? warframe or weapon?

[chrome badge]

who says theres a proper way of building anything, thats why this channel exists

[crude lodge]

Warframe aka voruna prime

[spice wadi]

Then you discuss how its the proper way?

[granite ginkgo]

there two build

1. Nuke via 4th and spam 1st for 3rd skill to do it aoe nuke
2. weapon platform, that you subsume 3rd skill for roar, xata whisper etc etc

bonus: 3rd. equip every possible sprint mod to yeet 1st skill

[old charm]

Someone here could probably provide a good voruna build and you can then compare it to yours

[spice wadi]

Already got third 😉

[wary forge]

There’s an entire thread here on voruna bro

[granite ginkgo]

here for referance, also got decent description if wanna go more depth:

https://overframe.gg/build/591347/gauss-prime/electromagnetic-accelerator-general-use-sp-gauss-hybrid-weapon-platform-sunder-nuke/

[wary forge]

https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1492606866482794601

[granite ginkgo]

just dont trust the stat calculator on the left side

[prime scarab]

Are dual tox decent and usable without the incarnon since I cant get it for 2 weeks?

[chrome badge]

no

thats why it got an incarnon adapter

bc it sucks

torid still sucks

[old charm]

I had 6 forma into torid before it got an incarnon adapter

Used it on nekros for defense missions to create death pockets

[wary forge]

Dual coda torx is like non incarnon version but better if you like dual pistols ig

And u get mastery for putting 5 forma into it anyways

[chrome badge]

we love torx

[wary forge]

So why not if u got the resources

[timber sparrow]

torxica lowkey better

[old charm]

What’s this ‘if you got the resources’ you speak of?

[wary forge]

It’s definitely not better lol

[wary forge]

5 forma

[old charm]

I’ll just take that has me being ignorant to the experience of people who haven’t played the game for over a decade

[wary forge]

Yeah not everyone has forma like that

Atleast with coda weapons u get the mastery for it so even if u dont like it the forma doesnt really go to waste

[old charm]

I agree, but simultaneously if someone wanted to invest fully into an incarnon, the value in that is insane

[wary forge]

Ofc

1 billion percent invest in d TOX

[old charm]

I remember coda torx fondly when I power leveled it to 40 in ESO

Out of the coda i power leveled, it was definitely top 3

[wary forge]

It’s good pretty fun 2

[old charm]

Very important

Idk how the general culture is within this discord, but I see a lot of “just use melee influence or slam” 😄

[prime scarab]

Yeah, I am running these right now.

I'm mostly just looking to gear up Nyx Prime and heard dual tox is very good for crowd clear as a secondary.

Its probably my second fave coda

(Bassocyst)

[wary forge]

Well that is the best way to get good kpm

[old charm]

Cringe

[wary forge]

It’s good great aoe and single target it can do it all really

[prime scarab]

Yeah I've been kicking myself for picking torid over it on last rota only to discover I prefer the tenet glaxion to the torid in literally every use case I've put it in

[old charm]

Dual ichor go brr

Dual Ichor tox/magnetic vortex with a 2100 kills in a coda confrontation go brr

[wary forge]

Or just go influence 🙂

[old charm]

Influence can’t do that

[prime scarab]

I'll probably run the rift strike axes on her tbh

[old charm]

Or have self sustaining death zones across the map

[prime scarab]

Yknow maybe ill slap nezha subsume on my nyx

[granite ginkgo]

why not decoy + mind control meta?? TxT

[west radish]

is gauss with fast deflectiohn and aegis still immortal?

[granite ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/150313159343865856/1321587681699958825/i-text.gif

[old charm]

Toxin damage would like to talk

[west radish]

i guess it does

[west radish]

keep distance xD

[prime scarab]

I'll be honest I hadn't really been excited about the mind control portion of her kit.

I really love the armor strip bolts and the invuln aura that I can toggle when things get hairy to give myself some space and distance from the fight while still being in the middle.

The mind control part is really cool I just don't...do..it...

[old charm]

Idk what that means, I play Excalibur melee only

[west radish]

bo with riven

[old charm]

Could Gauss run head first into one of the toxin eximus and just die?

[granite ginkgo]

no u got it wrong, check decoy augment w mind control radiation stack from passive. it have exploit-able synergy that make mind control eximus aura go lvl cap scale

[west radish]

bro

[prime scarab]

Right, I know what the synergy is. You decoy an enemy and then mind control the decoy making them invulnerable with wild scaling.

I didn't say it wasn't good just that I don't do it

Her armor strip bolts and her 4 are the parts of her kit I put the most into it for how I play her right now.

[old charm]

That’s a serious question, I’ve never played gauss or the gimmick shield build

I just know if you tried that on excalibur, you’re going to have a bad time

[west radish]

yeah i thought i had recording

but ive lost it

[formal tusk]

This a good build for cedo?

And thalys (ion have influence yet)

[west radish]

idk but can i borrow some endo

[granite ginkgo]

pretty much but what about the arcane tho?

[formal tusk]

Later when i get a blueprint for it

[granite ginkgo]

wdym blueprint?

primary arcane adapter?

[formal tusk]

Ye? Or they aint got blueprints?

[old charm]

Rank 0 careen is probably the GOAT of drop in melee arcanes for most players, yeah?

[formal tusk]

Cause ik warframe adapters do

[granite ginkgo]

you can get crafted direcly from tenshin

use steel essence to buy em

[formal tusk]

I think i dont have enough steel essence for it

[granite ginkgo]

just keep doing mission in SP normally, you be surprise how many you get end of the day

[old charm]

Especially if you havent gotten the planet completion +25 SE

[formal tusk]

Vro i thought they were like 100 essence each

[granite ginkgo]

dont forget for secondary

[warm obsidian]

I thought this was a shotgun

[fierce lark]

trumna is a hitscan aoe machinegun

you haven't done the old peace?

[warm obsidian]

Not yet

Focusing on Syndicate levels

Specific Zariman and Little Duck

[fierce lark]

fair enough

anyway yeah trumna is more or less a hitscan lmg with exploding heat bullets

kills charge altfire which is a big nuke

[warm obsidian]

Just gonna use Ninjase's build

[novel bear]

Try it with zephyr

[crystal island]

wich one better

[hollow ingot]

Any good Dante builds I just got him and have been messing around herd he was a great frame to nuke and all around badass to play with ?

[wary forge]

left

[crystal island]

ok

wich one is better for this tho

[formal tusk]

Idk much abt rivens but left seems more plausible (dont select it cause i said so, js my opinion)

[crystal island]

ig cold isnt good for magistar

[elfin sluice]

how do you build a hound to keep itself alive? mine keeps dying the moment it revives in SP.

(still formaing it, hence the empty slot)

[viscid bane]

Which one to pick? kinda tempted to go for viral one

[brisk jolt]

Cc cd ms -harmless

Keep rolling

[prime scarab]

Okay, yeah, really enjoying weapons platform Nyx. What are some fun weapons people run with her?

I'm running the Coda Torx right now with Burston Prime for killing single targets.

Actually I think I'll run furis on her for secondary the beam to pierce the heavens sounds fun

[viscid bane]

Twin Basolk to teleport around during assimilate with Rift Strike

[prime scarab]

I have Amar 2pc on for that

Running Ruvox melee now for the extra jump

[latent adder]

Irradiate furis is fun

Otherwise I run angstrum incarnon for stacking mind control

[prime scarab]

I don't really care much for the mind control portion of her kit. Its good and strong and everything but I really enjoy her bolts and her 4 more so the furis feels like a good call. I'll check into an irradiate setup with it, thanks!

Man if Nyx's bolts were her helminth I'd run it on so many people

[latent adder]

Mind control with assimilate is her best thing tho

[grim forge]

Does anyone know if the the Swarm Kavats + the augment not replicating whilst subsumed on another warframe is a bug?

[latent adder]

For 50m nuke

[prime scarab]

I don't disagree. I just uuuuuuh don't really use it.

I get why people like it but I am most enjoying her when I'm running and gunning and using her 4 to create space when I need to breathe. I don't generally like weapons platform frames but something about her bolts just scratches the right itch.

[elfin sluice]

you have to subsume over non-s4 for it to work.

if it's over s4, which is inaros' normal kavat-making move slot, it messes with it

[kindred leaf]

Is this decent and if so what would be a good price estimate be?

[grim forge]

Yeah I subsumed a 2 not a 4, they are simply not replicating

The wiki says it’s a bug

Hopefully they fix it soon…

It started breaking once they made the kavats mission level

[elfin sluice]

are you doing the weird volt summoner build that uses shocking speed to make the kavats respawn themselves?

[grim forge]

They killed that build because of this same issue im having right now, but i was experimenting dessicate on Khora’s 2 and the kavats just didn’t replicate whatsoever

I think dessicate in general, the augment, might be broken on helminth

[flint hemlock]

I’m not sure wether to swap something for firewalker here.. ignore how nothing is upgraded I’m mr7

[old marsh]

finally Stat Stick Prime build is complete

[flint swallow]

What mod should I remove to replace it with hata-satya

[fierce lark]

incarnon?

if yes replace aptitude

[old marsh]

Point strike

[fierce lark]

ideally run critical delay instead of point strike, or galv scope

[old marsh]

With Hata Satya it’s a pointless mod.

[flint swallow]

Okay

[fierce lark]

hata satya crit chance has to ramp, doing 10% damage for the start of every mag doesn't seem ideal, especially without crux

it's the same reason why you still run serration/aptitude on weapons with primary merciless

[flint swallow]

I just got primary crux

Like just now

[fierce lark]

r5?

[flint swallow]

Yes

[flint swallow]

25 plat well spent

[old marsh]

250p

[turbid rover]

i can get 250 for that?

[old marsh]

If u r patient enough. Otherwise 125p easily

[fierce lark]

you could probably get at least that much yeah

[wary forge]

90 is good

[fierce lark]

there are two mods of the same stats with -zoom at 750

no neg drops it down a lot

but i can see someone paying upwards of 200p for a decent latron roll

long wait tho

[turbid rover]

hm ok

[wary forge]

its worth like 150 at most

[old marsh]

Let the man earn some moola he can get a nice deluxe skin for that

[flint swallow]

Very snazzy

[wary forge]

id jsut sell it for 90 if u have an offer

[fierce lark]

like it is simply a good roll, it's better malignant force with extra cc

[wary forge]

ye its slotable

[fierce lark]

it is very easy to slot and will likely sell at some point

[wary forge]

just no neg

[turbid rover]

Is it easy to find 125 plat+? Since ive only got 1 offer so far and its around 100

[fierce lark]

are you using trade chat?

[turbid rover]

im using warframe market

[timber sparrow]

i have this latron riven 💀 💀

[fierce lark]

list it on warframe.market for like 200p, and wait a bit, maybe a week or two if you're patient

if you don't want to wait just list it for like 100-125p and it will sell fairly quickly

[timber sparrow]

um

is this worth anything

[wary forge]

trash price

its koren so like 20p or something