builds-discussion

[warm obsidian]

What to put on Mesaa

[primal halo]

@marble marten thank you might have to give it a try

[fierce lark]

nah this is just the build

you can swap cold for primed convulsion if you have nourish

merciless gunfight over elementalist is also a thing, punch through is insane on nukor

[pulsar glade]

what weapon is this?

[untold scaffold]

does anyone have a gauss build for sp?

[marble marten]

Nukor

[fierce lark]

literally doesn't matter in any way shape or form, use the one for the focus school you want more focus in

[marble marten]

This is my toxocyst

[pulsar glade]

anything with aracne aegis, barrier, fast deflection and cataclyzing shield just watch out for toxin tho

[old marsh]

hmmm. -CC

[pulsar glade]

oof that negative stat is painful dunno if enervate can help with that

[marble marten]

Ye lol

[old marsh]

yareli, harrow or nyx can fix that no problemo

or zephyr

[marble marten]

It's really not necessary, it does a lot of damage anyway, I was testing it

[livid abyss]

Should I use voltaic strike or shocking touch for xoris

[old marsh]

why not both?

show build

[marble marten]

Which Riven is the most profitable to sell? I mean... imagine the exact same stats for each one, which would be the most expensive? Torid?

[old marsh]

torid

[livid abyss]

a pretty normal xoris build

[marble marten]

The arcane 😭

[old marsh]

be aware that KB and PPP r additive

[marble marten]

I've been using the pox lately lol

[old marsh]

but back to question. pick shocking. better weighting. but since your status chance is so low because u r not using weeping wounds, your melee influence will almost never proc

[livid abyss]

Hmm

Should go get that mod now then

[old marsh]

https://overframe.gg/build/325681/xoris/xoris-sp-nuke-permanent-x12-tennokai-melee-influence/ try this build

[versed harbor]

xoris doesnt need weeping this is a heavy attack build

[old marsh]

for the smite mod, u can use killing blow

[versed harbor]

it force procs elec on heavy detonate

[livid abyss]

Oh right

Completely forgot it's a force proc

[old marsh]

hold up. i thought it proc'ed another element

u right. i was wrong

[versed harbor]

if u do a 12x combo do run weeping tho

[old marsh]

i thought it proc'ed blast

[versed harbor]

nah thats uh halikar iirc

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/roll-over-gif-5721510543785152669

but generally Xoris has inf combo counter so its beneficial to use that as an advantage and simply use it as auto-explosion build. instead of a manual explosion

[livid abyss]

I see I see

Thanks

[old marsh]

basically u have 2 types of glaive builds. Auto Explosion Bouncy and Manual Explosion. Only Xoris and Kestrel prefer the former. Others prefer the latter

kestrel likes it because of this

altho u can force all glaives to use the same build but makes them less unique

[livid abyss]

If so, I'd like to ask where volatile rebound drops

[jovial flax]

Hey guys, anyone have experience with hildryn? should i run elec ward + 3 electric ability dmg shards or just run 3 strength shards

[livid abyss]

Since I've been wanting to try to use kestrel too

[old marsh]

Deimos https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Volatile_Rebound#Enemy_Drop_Tables

u can just use Rebound

it will keep bouncing

[livid abyss]

Nice

[rich glacier]

Is there a way to make styanax javelins' overguard tank lvl cap? Mine keep braking and I die even during the animation a few times.

[old marsh]

str

[jovial flax]

ty

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[jovial flax]

or blazing pillage over eward?

[rich glacier]

F

[weary elbow]

5 Tau strengths. Check a guy called Helpful Hildryn he has a good loadout for her with a statick for the pet and such. You need a Raksa Kubrow for QoL as that dog can deliver shields recovery

[old marsh]

pillage is preferred coz of status cleanse and armor strip

[rich glacier]

I'll remove my strength mods then just enough for viral arcane to proc. Thanks

[jovial flax]

ty ill have a look

[opal leaf]

Sister my ass, that looks more like a dude more than me

[nova swift]

For hildryn you could run a gun platform with blazing pillage + elec ward but its kind of a meme outside of grendel missions.

Realistically for aegis gale builds you subsume off haven for something like roar/xata's whisper if you need more damage. Raksa kubrow's protect will give you more shields then you can use up even with blind rage slotted.

I think in this case if you wanted to run arcane expertise for more shields then even then +str shards are more productive

if you dont need damage reave/vial rush is kinda fun on her ;D

[jovial flax]

i might try reave/viral rush, thanks for all the info!

[quaint adder]

how does status duration behave with blast?

[twilit wadi]

Anyone got a dual toxocyst build that can benefit from 5 topaz shards and arcane hot shot quite a bit?

[opal leaf]

What does the 5 topaz shard do?

And when we speak of Dual Toxo, you literally go normal build for them to work normally

[scarlet kettle]

topaz shards tend to be good for weapons that have pure heat, or blast for those wanting to use them for that, or increasing ability damage for those that can abuse radiation.

[opal leaf]

Gotcha

Assuming they uses a flame frame

[coral crest]

Blast part of the topaz shards is really not worth it

[scarlet kettle]

yeah, heat, blast or radiation. Topaz shards love those elements. much like emerald with toxin and corrosive...

[scarlet kettle]

and yeah agreed.

[coral crest]

Shield restoration doesn't work if your shield is broken, max HP is super slow to stack

[scarlet kettle]

yeah it can be... unless you're inaros running elemental sandstorm along with Silva and Aegis.

but then again Inaros himself doesn't really need topaz shards.

[opal leaf]

Possibly they want that heat increase for their Dual Tox in this sense

[scarlet kettle]

yeah 50% crit chance being added to it can be good.

[opal leaf]

I have mine in magnetic reason of having Toxin inherit on the gun (unless I'm wrong, me is forgetting)

[scarlet kettle]

Mag's cold and electric if I remember correctly...

[rich glacier]

You are lacking weeping wounds and elementalist. Have fun deciding which mod to remove. I would sacrifice organ shatter and pressure point. Replace steel with galvanized version.

Add arcane strike on your warframe too

[opal leaf]

Magnetic Might,

Dann I meant Toxin and Mag

[scarlet kettle]

Ah, ok that makes it a little different. Magneic Might's a good mod

[pulsar glade]

anyone who has survivability focused build on mag?

[jovial flax]

lol does firewalker work on hildryn's 4th

[rich glacier]

Remove brief respite with anything else like corrosive or whatever. 1 augur mod on secondary is enough for full shield gate. For shield gating use her 3 as it constantly gives shields as it expands on enemies.

[fierce lark]

yes

[dark harbor]

I have but im not on home

[old marsh]

circumvent should solve all issues in steel path. u keep your OG topped up at all times. but generally want Rolling guard as a 2nd safety net whenever there r no eximus around. remove cata shield

[prime fiber]

other than better arcanes how can i get more damage out of my nova abilities?

[opal leaf]

Less damage

150% is your cap for Nova

Go more range for that more reach

Duration for more nova spheres (her 1,i forgot what it's called)

[prime fiber]

well with the two augments i effectively have infinite null stars

[opal leaf]

Yes but it's better to have more

That's the trick

Booming every room using nullstars while slowing enemies and priming each ND every one of them

And for subsume I suggest Nourish over 2

For Arcanes go Molt Augmented and Concentration on her

The more stars the better

More stars too = longer DR

[prime fiber]

dropping breach surge is like cutting off my left hand, it cripples her damage

why nourish? energy aint an issue

[opal leaf]

Breach surge is overused anyways

[prime fiber]

maybe so, but its well used here

[opal leaf]

Her 1 acts as a weapon, it can be inflict with Viral

[marble marten]

I'm leveling up the Bassocyst, share the best build

[opal leaf]

What's the progenitor

If it's magnet

Then start off with your typical Viral Heat build

[opal leaf]

Yes but it's rare to see someone use these days

Nova users always have nourish on their 2

[prime fiber]

im not your typical nova user

[opal leaf]

Sometimes Roar

[opal leaf]

Well you asked to make more damage

Thats the one that makes more damage these days

[prime fiber]

yeah but im not gunna sacrifice every unique aspect of my build for a tired meta

also i dont need viral, i can already one shot entire rooms no issue on SP

[opal leaf]

Well, idk

Maybe do the damage thing I mentioned

150% strength (as that's the cap)

More range for more reach and a bit of duration

[quiet laurel]

so why ask for more dmg

[opal leaf]

See?

[quiet laurel]

just wasting peoples time

[prime fiber]

you can always do more damage?

[opal leaf]

I told ya that's the only way to make more damage

Apply viral on her 1 and prime it with her 4

Nourish on her 2

[prime fiber]

yeah, and im actually testing the range suggestions right now, all i said no to was a different subsume

[opal leaf]

So the explosions does viral and prime other enemies with more viral which chain more and more

[rich glacier]

Roar helps but isn't best for ability spaming. It is usually a 1.7x multiplier while. Sometimes a breach surge or viral tempest can be better. Roar is convenient as it is a duration ability. Depends on what you want.

[opal leaf]

Eh that's true

[pale belfry]

Both for aoe usecase

[rich glacier]

Roar is mostly for dot weapons where it double dips

[prime fiber]

viral tempest?

[opal leaf]

Nah

[prime fiber]

im asking what it is

[rich glacier]

Hydroid's helminth. It is aoe corrosive and viral

[opal leaf]

Oh I misunderstood I'm very sorry

[prime fiber]

all good

[pale belfry]

Nova null star?

[rich glacier]

It helps with green shard ability damage too

[opal leaf]

Well to be specific it's Hydroid subsume that you can apply the Augment Viral tempest in

Viral Tempest is the Augment for Hydroids subsume

[prime fiber]

?

[opal leaf]

Wdym

[pale belfry]

Just curious, you guys talking about nova null star build?

[prime fiber]

ya, nullstar nuke

[prime fiber]

this is the build we were discussing to be spcific

[opal leaf]

Yeah she just want more damage on their build

I recommended an alternative to use nourish instead of breach surge

But now she is trying the range recommendation I gave (150% strength, more range)

[pale belfry]

Nova null star wont scale that much on SP

Even you trying to use breach surge

The dmg is breach surge

Not the null star

[prime fiber]

yah i know

i even use arachne to buff breach surge in the clip

[pale belfry]

Null star currently running like a maintainer for hot shot arcane

[prime fiber]

mhm

im working on getting hotshot

my novas 5, cedo prime

once i get hotshot imma mostly stop using her 1 and spamming this

[pale belfry]

Hot shot need her 1 and her augment to maintain

[prime fiber]

ye ik

[pale belfry]

Nova pretty perfect to use that arcane

[prime fiber]

its such a pain to farm tho

[opal leaf]

Spam 1 hahaah

[prime fiber]

i want to use mag with temples subsume with arcane hotshot...

[pale belfry]

Not really, as long as you still playing game, you will get the r5 anyway

[prime fiber]

?

[pale belfry]

I got like 4 sets r5

[prime fiber]

how

[pale belfry]

ETA + nova sell 1 every week

[prime fiber]

oh i dont have ETA unlocked yet

im returning from like a two year hiatus, only been back for under a week

[pale belfry]

You should reach that point instead of wasting time to do other things

[prime fiber]

still need to do the standing grind

[pale belfry]

ETA + EDA is the most useful mode you could grind

[prime fiber]

im working on it, but i also need to farm the event and cascades (im plat broke and have a booster)

[prime fiber]

im working on it, not much i do about the standing cap system xD

tho i will say, modern factions are so nice with standing, not having to farm fish to stockpile

[opal leaf]

Can Limbo survive those game mode? I don't care if I'll be called disgusting

He is my 5th frame ill main

[prime fiber]

imo turned in item hould bypass the standing cap, even at MR 29 i feel like it takes forever to get EDA and ETA

[pale belfry]

As long as you not dying and your team feel you annoying because how waste is your spot

[opal leaf]

Well one thing to do is go Solo with it

Limbo can right?

[pale belfry]

"Waiting for love"

[prime fiber]

but yeah, ive capped my standing every day since i got back in an effort to unlock EDA and ETA, but its still a ways away cause im starting from 0

[pale belfry]

You barely could, but the problem is the node and ETA had that tank

[opal leaf]

Oh fck

Gotta need a dps beast on that bish

[pale belfry]

Reward node usually allow you skip 1

[prime fiber]

i want to fight the alpha tank so bad, need to get a better single target primary tho

[pale belfry]

Either you keep OP weapon or you limbo

[opal leaf]

Wait wait

What? 2hats this trade off

[pale belfry]

For EDA, last node is vosfor

For ETA, it is chips

You cant skip the second one

[opal leaf]

Hmm Imma need to keep up an reach those to make myself at the late game

[pale belfry]

Bcause it including archon shards and other stuff

[opal leaf]

So that I can officially say I am at the late game

[pale belfry]

I usually go full on ETA and skip 1 on EDA because vosfor to me is kinda useless

[opal leaf]

I see I see

Well I'm excited to learn about Limbo

I heard a lot of bad things in him but little good things

I'm ready to right the wrong

[pale belfry]

If you playing with legendary rank in ETA they will thank you

[opal leaf]

For having Limbo?

[pale belfry]

Because they know how useful limbo is

[opal leaf]

Ooooooo

[pale belfry]

Send them into the rift because fighting with that tank is such a pain

[opal leaf]

Now I want to know the useful side

Guess I'm able to use it

[opal leaf]

OH! WHEN I SHIFT!

[pale belfry]

Because most people at LR know how limbo works

They know how to avoid the ridiculous dmg from aoe spot

[opal leaf]

When they are in a rift with me, are they going to be in for how long I am in?

Right?

[pale belfry]

Nope they could leave by dash

They could leave whenever they want

[opal leaf]

No I mean they can stay as long as they want

[inner raptor]

what attack is this

[pale belfry]

Gas spot

[opal leaf]

Oh ok that usually answers it

[inner raptor]

interesting. is this well telegraphed?

iirc it was after some weak spots die right

[pale belfry]

the tank will spam it randomly

[prime fiber]

@opal leaf range is good

ik thats all breach surge

[opal leaf]

Nice, you have too much strength that's why, you go way past the cap

So range is needed

[opal leaf]

No null star?!

[prime fiber]

can someone explain to me why this doesnt work if i dont have my 1 activated tho?

if its not on the nuke just doesnt work

[opal leaf]

Hmm...

@pale belfry @solar reef
Help the lad, I'm out when it comes to breach surge hahaha

Because I don't have it yet

[prime fiber]

i can send a clip if youd like

[rich glacier]

Scan techrot babaus for simulacrum. Heavy gunners are paper

[prime fiber]

ngl its a miracle i have what i have scanned xD, i keep not bringing helios anywhere cause anything else is better damage

[rich glacier]

Thise are from 1999 survival missions. Intentionally let life support to corrode or whatever and scan

[prime fiber]

oh the life support thingies?

[rich glacier]

Yes

[prime fiber]

no wonder i dont have them scanned

i only started hex like four days ago

[rich glacier]

I don't know why people still test on heavy gunners in 2026.

[prime fiber]

cause the last time i played was in 2024

[pale belfry]

Because breach surge not a nuke ability, that its

[rich glacier]

You did hex 4 days ago

[opal leaf]

@prime fiber

[prime fiber]

ok let me rephrase, i went on a two year hiatus roughly two years ago and started playing again four days ago

[rich glacier]

Yes I don't expect you to know

[pale belfry]

You need time to make breach surge spreading and dealinf the dmg

[rich glacier]

I didn't test the babaus on day 1 of 1999. I'm referring to youtubers or people who have played continiously and still don't test on babaus for damage testing.

[pale belfry]

At the start, its not a nuke ability, it count as aoe boosted dmg, even that, breach surge is main ability dealing that amount dmg, not your own ability

[rich glacier]

If you can melt them you are eligible to attempt lvl cap

[prime fiber]

oh, well corrupted heavy goons are the poster boy of build testing xD

[rich glacier]

Yeah they used to be the best for many years

[dusky bane]

I wouldn't agree tbh
they're fairly squishy as far as enemies go
they're a decent representative of the "not complete trash to kill" but not tanky whatsoever

[prime fiber]

ye, i get that breach surge takes damage in and boost its output, which is why using antimatter drop causes breach surge to nuke, but why does turning off null star half its damage?

[pale belfry]

Breach surge just for flexing for fun, not really the best, mainly for regular player who cant calculate the dmg

I would rather use styanaz subsume over it

[formal glade]

am trying to get kuva nukor, what is the best status effect for it?

[pale belfry]

Mag likely

[opal leaf]

Magnet

[primal stirrup]

guys should i invest in cedo or is an ignis wraith build good enough i am just started out steelpath

it takes like 3 seconds to kill an enemy level 101

[prime fiber]

cedo op

[formal glade]

does using cyte 90 give it magnet?

[pale belfry]

You could

[prime fiber]

cedo can carry you to endgame easily

[primal stirrup]

oh nice but lik should i put a reactor + polairties in in or wait for cedo prime?

cus my MR is only 12

[prime fiber]

cedo prime is hella cheap rn

[primal stirrup]

indeed but i need mastery for it 😅

which is gonnna take AGGGESSS to get

[prime fiber]

ngl its up to you then, cedo is really good and you dont really need the prime, that being said, prime is prime

will be a direct upgrade

[primal stirrup]

lmao okai i understand,

thnx for the help and guidance m8 (wowo i can't spel)

[prime fiber]

glad theres a question i can answer xD

most stuff i know is genuinely outdated by years

[primal stirrup]

ohhh you;re an OG??

[opal leaf]

"back in my day"

[prime fiber]

last time i played this game consistently khora had a stat stick and the meta was viral slash

[primal stirrup]

imma pretend i understoood that 🤣

[prime fiber]

xD

[primal stirrup]

idk about theccking but you have my repsect for being an OG

[opal leaf]

Bro that's BEFORE JADE SHADOWS HAHAHAHA

[prime fiber]

xD

its been a while

[opal leaf]

I'm newbie

I played 8 months ago but the knowledge I have came before Jade shadows as I read a lot

[prime fiber]

i did stop back in during the update after jade shadows to do the quests then quit, i remember that much

[opal leaf]

Tbh I'm still using viral Slash on Torid incarnoff

Just for fun hahaha

[prime fiber]

im reading the patchnotes for previous updates and yeah, i stopped in for a day or two during the lotus eaters update to get caught up on story then quit again

[opal leaf]

Damn that's a long time

[prime fiber]

yeah, and there was a second decently large gap of time i didnt play between whispers in the walls and the veilbreaker update

[simple frost]

Guys is getting corrosive damage on anything mandatory?

[opal leaf]

I mean this is my break rn

[opal leaf]

Not really, only if you have source of Viral that is reliant

[prime fiber]

someone please correct me if im wrong, but no, while corrosive is much stronger now, viral heat seems to be meta

that being said corrosive heat can get you like 86% armor strip, 90% with corrosive projection

[pale belfry]

not, currently almost all the build is running with DOT

you may need viral, not the corro if you have 1 choice for one dmg type

[opal leaf]

Yes

But it's usable if you have constant viral

[pale belfry]

since the game is no longer around armor strip, you could barely play levelcap without armor strip

[prime fiber]

this sound like a contradiction

because the game is no longer centered on armor strip you cant do much levelcap without it?

i thought rephrasing it would help, it did not

[pale belfry]

You can play levelcap and dont have to mind about if the enemy still have armor or not

For example: necramech levelcap disruption is the unit that unable to armor strip

And people still have a way to oneshot it

That means armor strip no longer important like before

[opal leaf]

Yes

There are way to bypass armor without Armor stripping.

Brute forcing the btch

[prime fiber]

ah after u rephrase it does make more sense

and ive noticed for sure

im loving the fact that armor strip isnt mandatory for late game

[opal leaf]

It's important, but not mandatory (if that make sense, English is not my first language

[prime fiber]

i remember the original reason why viral slash was meta was cause it can bypass armor and therefore didnt need trip at the time

[opal leaf]

It still can tbh

[prime fiber]

100% one of the first thing i did when returning was building my vastilok to use shattering impact

[pale belfry]

After armor + ehp change, its no longer important

Thats why glaive prime is goes down

[opal leaf]

It's just the elements got an "upgrade perse" so it'll... Yeah overshadowed

[prime fiber]

ye, i noticed and i really like it, instead of nerfing slash they just buffed everything else

[pale belfry]

The game this time is running round DOT mostly

[prime fiber]

as it should be done

ngl its rough not using viral slash xD, the fact that it never got a direct nerf and everything else saw buffs means im not forced to learn anything new

its been difficult getting used to the new status'

like blast is ok now apparently?

[pale belfry]

blast is endgame

[prime fiber]

f*cing wild

i never thought id see the day

glad impact is still useless

something needed to stay the same

[pale belfry]

most the DOT dmg type become OP

[prime fiber]

teach me how to use shock, even after learning about the change i cant levrage it well

[pale belfry]

shock what?

btw, blast dmg + bo incarnonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuGjdM7Clww

[prime fiber]

the element, you said DOT are good now, shock is a form of DOT no?

freakin s key is giving out and its making me look like i cant do basic english

[pale belfry]

You mean "electricity"

?

[prime fiber]

oh, ig shock is tecnically the effect it has

not the name

like how impact can trigger the staggered effect, electricity triggers shock

[pale belfry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX-A5gzVXyE&t=2s

something like this ?

in the video is purely tox dmg

with voruna boost + melee afflictions before patched

[prime fiber]

kinda yeah

just more how do i make electricity good? i wanna play around with the reworked status effects but cant really use them too well outside the meta

[pale belfry]

Mostly depends on weapon

If it is come with electricity

[prime fiber]

figured, do i need to fish out the amprex?

[pale belfry]

Easier to build instead of invest new one

[prime fiber]

i dont have one tbh, never enjoyed it so i sold it, even when it was meta

[pale belfry]

Try vadarya prime

[prime fiber]

its in my foundry, what type of gun is it?

sniper?

[pale belfry]

Yup

[prime fiber]

i heard its good for mag

[pale belfry]

Good for all

Because its aoe

[prime fiber]

i need a good gun for mag

have they updated how mags 2 interacts with punch through or is meat grinder still a thing?

[pale belfry]

They havent touch anything with mag

[prime fiber]

as a former mag main, idk if thats good or bad

[pale belfry]

She is strong already

No need to retouch

[prime fiber]

prolly good, seeing as her minor rework made her easier to be broken

she was always so good, only aged like a fine wine

[pale belfry]

Only og frame like volt is touched

They capped his speed for allies

150% iirc

[prime fiber]

ik you said breach surge was for lazy non endurance stuff, but is it still actually goated for mag?

[pale belfry]

Good one to use for mag

[prime fiber]

i want to try temple's subume and arcane hotshot

on mag

[prime fiber]

Do you remover her 3 or 1?

[pale belfry]

Try manifold instead of temple subsume

[prime fiber]

whats that

kullervos?

[pale belfry]

Mine is 1

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-peggle-puzz-mid-video-high-gif-553759000954454273

manifold bond is a companion mod

[pale belfry]

Use a manifold could save u a subsume slot

Instead of temple one which is quite shit

[prime fiber]

oh manifold bond, thought u meant a different ability

[stray dove]

Hi

[stray dove]

🥲

[prime fiber]

my sentinel is set up for primary frostbite procing with a manifold build, but i see the vission

[pale belfry]

bye

[stray dove]

Hello

[pale belfry]

/ kick Gabris

[stray dove]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-smile-smiling-maniac-the-boys-gif-6705636163169343005

[prime fiber]

what other subsumes interact with mag bubble?

[opal leaf]

What did I miss?

[supple adder]

I heard a lot about Temple's skill working well with Mag bubble

[hexed lodge]

do you know about the pyrotechnics + ragdoll interaction?

[prime fiber]

no

[prime fiber]

same, saw someone mention it and now i wanna test for myself

[hexed lodge]

enemies ragdolled (mag's 1) can be hit by pyrotechniks multiple times per pillar
each pillar hits a ragdolled enemy around 12-15 times per pillar? so if you have a well grouped meatball, they can have 100s of heat procs, and more with Archon vitality

there is a yt video from Rowan for more info on it

[prime fiber]

ah, so thats the interaction with arcane hotshot

[hexed lodge]

ye

it can also kill, but it's a bit niche

[dusky bane]

I love hitscan AoE

[prime fiber]

im thinking more, proc hotshot then discharge a primary into the meat grinder with the buffed crit

[hexed lodge]

that works too, altho i'm not sure if enemies affected by Mag's2 can be ragdolled with 1

not a Mag expert, but i love this pyro + ragdoll interaction

[prime fiber]

they cant be ragdolled if theyre bubbled iirc, but i can just ragdoll, pyrotchniks, then bubble

[pale belfry]

just take xata with mag, lol

[prime fiber]

why?

[pale belfry]

temple subsume with mag is quite dumb tbh

[prime fiber]

isnt void damage just a shitty version of her 2?

[pale belfry]

you should read how xata work

[prime fiber]

if they never patched its interaction with the phenmor id be more inclined to use it

[prime fiber]

looks like a pecent based buff that give you void damage?

technically not a buff but a second hit

[prime fiber]

ah, i see

is that why its so popular?

other than taking out thraxes

[opal leaf]

Ye

Double dipperrrr

[pale belfry]

xata work with stealth attack

[prime fiber]

eh

[pale belfry]

that why you see the voruna video above dealing so much dmg

[prime fiber]

seems cool

[prime fiber]

that being said...

its hard to use xatas whisper when i know just how good it used to be xD

[pale belfry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9N0MaVyYoM

[valid axle]

So what's going to be better for a 3 amber shard yareli the tenet cycron or the kuva nukor

[hexed lodge]

honestly, just use whatever you want, Mag doesn't need that much extra boost to shine anways

[formal glade]

is a 57% magnet good? got it for the kuva nukor

[prime fiber]

oh i know, used to main mag back in the day, but its fun to figure out how to squeeze that extra bit of damage out

[pale belfry]

even 25%

[prime fiber]

thats insanely good

cap is 60%

[marble marten]

Mine has radiation 🥀, loki main things

[pale belfry]

Sell it

[prime fiber]

legit my thoughts

good plat right there

[formal glade]

sell it?

[prime fiber]

57% is insanely high for a base kuva weapon

near max roll

someone will pay well for that

[formal glade]

so how do i sell it?>

[prime fiber]

after you defeat it dont kill it

[hexed lodge]

mine i've chosen electricity sooo

[prime fiber]

recruit it or wtv its called

[prime fiber]

heat over here xD

[hexed lodge]

Convert the lich

[pale belfry]

Hunt it and choose "convert", then searching ytb to know how to sell it.

[prime fiber]

THATS THE WORD

[formal glade]

oh so if i convert it i dont get the weapon?

[prime fiber]

yes but you keep the ephemera

[pale belfry]

A very famous weapon, people will pay for it. But not me, personally dislike that, rather use sporelancer over it

[marble marten]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-gigachad-ai-giga-ai-gigachad-ai-gif-5918969002104701646

[glass moon]

how am i supposed to use the furax wraith w influence

[marble marten]

the MF who got a Nukor with impact

[glass moon]

do i play around its heavy slam gimmick

[prime fiber]

does it have ephemera?

[wary forge]

Hold w and e

[glass moon]

or just basic attack and do normal heavy attacks

[valid axle]

How good is a tenet cycron built for crits

[glass moon]

with tennokai

[wary forge]

Don’t worry about its gimmick

[glass moon]

alr

[formal glade]

i do not know what that is

[prime fiber]

the cosmetic

[pale belfry]

Or use it as a stat stick

[hexed lodge]

Not good unless you have a wf that boosts crit chance

[prime fiber]

vengeful pull ephemera

[glass moon]

i use it as a statstick for dante

more noctuah fire rate

[pale belfry]

Plus arcane outburst

[formal glade]

n ah ill just keep the weapon and use it intead

[valid axle]

I main yareli with three topaz shards

[wary forge]

If you want you can do heavy attack Tenokai slams but they don’t really do a lot

[valid axle]

Wait stat sticks are still a thing ???

[prime fiber]

@formal glade this is the cheapet lich on the market with the same weapon as you

[undone dust]

the only frame that i enjoy furax slam on is nova

[prime fiber]

you can make atleast that much

[pale belfry]

Still a thing, almost every melee weapon (incarnon mostly) are statstick

[formal glade]

damn alrght ill see what i can do bout that

[hexed lodge]

then yes, it can work

[pale belfry]

Jat kittag slam is the best

[valid axle]

For what abilities though cus most of them are moddble now right

[marble marten]

Dmg =status?

[wary forge]

On Sayrn

[hexed lodge]

Dmg = Progenitor's extra weapon %

[prime fiber]

on warframe.market thats just how they sort it, its actually the percentage

[pale belfry]

Stat stick mean giving you stat, stat => parkour velocity print speed, arcane outburst

[pale belfry]

On every frame

Dagath

[prime fiber]

hot take, slam builds are boring

[wary forge]

I mean you can def use it on any frame I wouldn’t really tho unless it’s Sayrn

[lucid flint]

melee is boring to that end

[pale belfry]

Voruna use it better than saryn

[lucid flint]

crabsweat is crabsweat

[glass moon]

whats the best fist stance

[wary forge]

No she doesn’t

[pale belfry]

Im saryn main

[valid axle]

Is that really a hot take though

[wary forge]

Seismic palm

[glass moon]

alr

[lucid flint]

the only interesting melee gameplay is gimmicks lol because thats kind of the point with gimmicks

[glass moon]

but what makes seismic palm better than gaias tragedy

and the other stance

[hexed lodge]

that's not a hot take, this is a true
||but wf players only care about stupid high dmg + clear stuff asap||

[marble marten]

What is the best status in the Plasmor Tenet?

[pale belfry]

Everything is boring if you boring

Lmao take

[prime fiber]

prolly not tbh, lemme feel special tho xD

[wary forge]

Best forward light

[lucid flint]

we will hold w and e and close our eyes

[prime fiber]

the thing is some ppl genuinely find seeing those numbers as more fun than actually playing in an engaging manner

[wary forge]

Plus it’s a lot faster then tragedy

[pale belfry]

Im not bind e on melee, sorry we are not the same

[glass moon]

alr

thanks man

[lucid flint]

rebind it right now

jkjk

[wary forge]

Tragedy only really has a good block combo but it’s super slow

[prime fiber]

coming from genshin, its not news to me that some ppl will crit fish for an hour just to screenshot a big number

[pale belfry]

Both melee and gun are on single mouse

[hexed lodge]

duality of wf players, it's either kpm obsessed or play for fun + jank... I'm on the latter

[lucid flint]

i mean who’s to say the former isn’t having fun

[wary forge]

U try and make jank guns have good kpm

[prime fiber]

im right down the middle, i take inspiration from the meta so i can make relatively strong off meta builds that are actually engaging

[formal glade]

if i convert the kuva lich do i still get the weapon or no?

[pale belfry]

at the end, you just finding fun in playing game, whatever you do

[hexed lodge]

if the mission is complete, then the mission is complete

[wary forge]

Yep

[pale belfry]

No

[formal glade]

what market do i go to to sell the kuva lich?

[pale belfry]

warframe.market

[wary forge]

It’s in contracts

[prime fiber]

either you kill for weapon or convert so you can sell it for plat

you can always find a different nukor tho that works just as well

[glass moon]

if i buy a lich do i instantly get the weap

or do i have to go through the whole process of finding patterns and getting robbed of resources

[formal glade]

yeah still donw know where to sell it in the warframe.market

[pale belfry]

You have to hunt again

[prime fiber]

nah, gotta hunt it like its normal, after the showdown you can still convert but you will not be able to sell a lich that was purchased

[marble marten]

Which Kuva/Tenet weapon will be the most expensive?

I Guess nukor, cytron and plasmor

[prime fiber]

go to the auction side of the page

[pale belfry]

ogris

[hexed lodge]

Prob Sobek, Nukor and Plasmor

[dusky bane]

they're all worthless by themselves

[night laurel]

people only really buy liches for ephemeras or collectible value in funny names

like barakk obama or smth the other day

[pale belfry]

high percent elemental

[night laurel]

unless a weapon is like 50+ to 60% its euhhh?

[prime fiber]

yeah, they only want high rolls on damage or ephemeras

55+ minimal to sell a lich purely for the weapon imho

i personally wouldnt spend my plat on anything lower

i can farm a lower role in an afternoon

its been too long for me to remember how fast it used to be, but iirc i used to be able to somewhat easily farm two kuva weapons a day if you no life it

[hexed lodge]

ye it's relatively fast

Oull mod and Palladino's Requiem Ultimatum helps too

[prime fiber]

exaclty, so if you can farm a high role via vallence fusion, theres no reason to buy anything lower than 55% xD

[hexed lodge]

it's slow for newer players tho cause they don't have that nor requiem mods

[prime fiber]

fair, but new players shouldnt be concerning themselves with max bonus on kuva weapons

[hexed lodge]

true

[prime fiber]

the first kuva weapon a tenno gets marks a pretty big shift in power level imo

[night laurel]

unless its some bull like a kuva quartakk 💔

[pale belfry]

maxing out bonus wasnt a thing, even new player -> they not even maxed out their mods, kinda pointless to grind max bonus while that

[prime fiber]

my first was a 58% toxin chakurr xD

[night laurel]

chakurr is based and good and awesome actually

[prime fiber]

genuinely made every single weapon i had at the time look trash

i still use the chakurr to this day

[valid axle]

On the same yareli what about the tenet spirex

[prime fiber]

its my go to for index endurance runs

[valid axle]

Cus I am currently paused infront of a candidate with one want to know if it's worth

[dusky bane]

should be good

[prime fiber]

ik its old meta, but i still use a viral slash chakurr as my primary build

[night laurel]

my first was like a fart% ass progenitor kuva karak bc i thought "wow they finally made the cool AK viable!" and then its so underwhelming i cried all the way back to saturn proxima

[prime fiber]

xD

[hexed lodge]

it's okay, you won't regret it nor it's crazy

[prime fiber]

i ahve the spirex, need to build it tho

[valid axle]

Cool cus like almost all my best weapons are chain beems and I wanted it to be good lol

[prime fiber]

here are the stats

thats inate heat, not my progenitor bonus

so factor that in

if you get a toxin progenitor then you will have gas spirex

[valid axle]

Oh my God it's a 60% with an ephemera

I used wisp foe the progen

[prime fiber]

noice

[prime fiber]

i happened to learn the hard way

[valid axle]

Hey at least we can change it now lol

[prime fiber]

you can also just mod around it

[prime fiber]

you always have been, its just sooooo much easier now

used to be that youd need to farm a second identical weapon to fuse

now you just go buy a core

[valid axle]

Huh I didn't know that I thought that just increased the % of the progen bonus

[prime fiber]

im pretty sure you can still do it the old fashioned way

yeah

you can still fuse them before max rank

[valid axle]

Huh cool

Also 60% is the cap right

[prime fiber]

so if i farmed a second tennet spirex with soething else i can change the element and it will combine the bonuses for a higher %

[prime fiber]

yes

[prime fiber]

id prolly hit the cap if i fused this one

[frigid pollen]

depends what the percentage of the other weapon is

but yeah

[prime fiber]

mhm, but i mean just statistically id have to get a pretty low roll to not hit the cap

and as much as the gambler falacy tells you otherwise, youre just as likey to get a 5% as a 60%

[opal leaf]

Yes

[formal glade]

do u get more murmur the less kuva mod u have or something?

[opal leaf]

Wdym by this?

[formal glade]

idk i got more murmur thing for ther parazon zimbole mod when i have less of that mod

[frigid pollen]

Fair enough, xD. The lowest you'll get is 20% so at most you'll need 2 or 3 more xD

I've never had to merge a 20% into smth so idk how big of a bump you'll get

[opal leaf]

25 I believe I never seen a 20% yet and always saw 25

Unless I'm wrong, feel free to correct me

[frigid pollen]

Think you just corrected me xD

[marble marten]

My Plinx is less than 20🥀

[opal leaf]

Show ;~;

[frigid pollen]

Yeouch. I've never seen that before

[marble marten]

Luckily it's a crit weapon so... I don't really care

[opal leaf]

Idk if it affected Tenets as well... Let me have a quick check

[opal leaf]

Yeah the lowest is 25% idk how you got less than 20%

I have never seen a lowest than 25%

[fresh plume]

can anybody share there build with titania? im struggling to find an actual viable build since most of the builds I see online have most people in the comment arguing

[opal leaf]

Go Ninjase builds

And don't focus on comments

[marble marten]

Nvm , has 40% radiation lol, my bad

[fresh plume]

thanks! I'll note this down for every build I need to find

[opal leaf]

Ninjase is one of the best Builder here for generalized builds, go Overframe for it

[marble marten]

Gaming orbiter 🥀

[wary forge]

titania is insanely good

if build correclty its pretty high investment tho

[marble marten]

Xata Whisper do more damage than Roar?

[wary forge]

way more

well on titania ye

[prime fiber]

actually hot take, screw overframe

watch a vid, learn the how and why of a build and make your own

home grown builds >

[wary forge]

ninjase explains all his builds

[prime fiber]

still, overframe exists for the sole purpose of copying and pasting a build

[opal leaf]

Most Yt vids are one of the most ass stuff to learn builds

We mostly use Overframe as a Reference guide

We don't even copy there

[prime fiber]

giving people copy pasts guides is a detrament to them learning how the build system works

[opal leaf]

Jusy a reference

[prime fiber]

ig its changed over time

used to just be for copy paste building

[opal leaf]

It is

[prime fiber]

i still avoid it like the plague tbh

[opal leaf]

You can if you want, we are here to just tell you what we learn from what we read

Like most of the builds from Vauban that I didn't know came from over frame.

I double check it in the wiki and it's the same

Ofc only Ninjase Builds

[fresh plume]

yo how did my question turn into somewhat of a debate, still thank you tho for all the advice! I'll put it to use

[opal leaf]

Like again, when there is stuff I can't understand, or want to build but don't know where start, I just use it

[prime fiber]

idk know ninjase or his content, i was just speaking on overframe in general

[opal leaf]

What debate? We are just talking

[prime fiber]

im sure he explains the vids well

[opal leaf]

Yeah he does too, but I'm more into reading

[opal leaf]

That's fair, I'll agree

[prime fiber]

yeah we chilling xD, having a good discussion imho

[fresh plume]

it's almost similar to a debate atp, in a 3rd person viewpoint it's like a friendly debate, just spitting fax to help people out

no harm intended lmao

[prime fiber]

its part of why i love the community so much, ppl know that theres no offense behind most stuff and can just chill and talk

[opal leaf]

Eh I guess? I don't really consider it as a debate hahaha

[solar reef]

ninjase posts in both overframe and youtube btw

[prime fiber]

ive seen slurs tossed over genshin build discussions xD

[solar reef]

the majority of youtubers regurgitate Overframe builds

[fresh plume]

that's so real tho istg 😭, any gacha community has people getting racist due to builds

[solar reef]

and yeah Ninjase uses both Calculators and Play-testing (at level cap)

[opal leaf]

Oh my, wait till you see the, "I know all" tennos here hahaha

[lavish orbit]

imo if you see a ytb video, search after for someone that debunk the video, that's how I learned a lot of things on ember

[solar reef]

just use underframe and wiki

[opal leaf]

It make sense.
More work but it... Yeah sure

[lavish orbit]

also "bible" videos are from people that enjoyed a lot using a frame with a lot of played hours on it (wisp one is a good example)

[prime fiber]

i rememember way back when i was a baby tenno and the best we had to go off of was Ashisogi-tenno and leyzargaming xD

its where a lot of my distrust in guides was founded

[violet silo]

isnt there that one wisp dude who just genuinely has shit builds

[fresh plume]

istg modding will be the one thing I will never be able to wrap my head around 😭

[opal leaf]

"back in my day"

[violet silo]

I don't think it's that hard

[solar reef]

one of the big builders basically went and said her passive didnt matter

[lavish orbit]

possible, though he explains well if you want to hear

[prime fiber]

some of these names i drop do be like that xD

did you know iFlynn is still posting?

[opal leaf]

I mean it became a thing now

[lavish orbit]

my bad so, no "bible" video then

[opal leaf]

I don't even know-a-guy

[violet silo]

is her passive the jump one? isnt that one kinda crazy with crepuscular and stuff?

[solar reef]

its part of the glaive/contagion meta for her yeah

[prime fiber]

wait wisp passive applies to crepuscular?

thats busted

[solar reef]

you dont get first hit stealth bonus with shock motes though, be aware

[west radish]

is this any good?

[static sphinx]

Any way to improve this Gauss prime build aside from swapping few mods for primed versions?

[prime fiber]

i thought shock motes were universally trash unless you were building for her 4?

[solar reef]

but yeah glaive/contagion wisp is probably the “best” wisp set up

[novel bear]

Shock motes are decent cc

[solar reef]

theyre fine if youre just gun platforming

its exclusively bad for aeriel wisp

[violet silo]

overextended

wait

[livid quartz]

been playing around with gara mostly because of lash stuff this works pretty well for anything steelpath faction mod isn't really needed curious if anyone has any improvements?

[violet silo]

what's going on here

[prime fiber]

ig, i personally just place a third thing of health and speed

[wary forge]

do not build latron likle this

[old marsh]

any reason why Avenger? u can try molt efficiency or something like steadfast or energize

[west radish]

for volt why not sir

i just wanna understand you see

[violet silo]

are you trying to go for a weapons platform or a nuke build?

[old marsh]

hybrid i guess. he is new.

[static sphinx]

I'm not trying to go for anything specific. I tried to make balanced build.

[old marsh]

recommended to focus on 1

[violet silo]

uhhhh
choose one, it'd be way better

[marble marten]

It's funny, I was inspired by a YouTube comment for my Toxocyst build instead of the video lol

[static sphinx]

Don't have many arcanes. Those are my only R5 warframe arcanes that aren't specific.

[hot herald]

For sentinel companions, should I use tazicor or the verglas?

[static sphinx]

I don't have a good enough weapon to make a platform. I guess nuke + survivability.

[solar reef]

depends on use

[prime fiber]

i find it interesting that its almost universal for new players to look at a specialized tool and try to build it for generalized content xD, something about "oh they excell in X so i can ignore X"

[solar reef]

tazzi is for priming, verglas is for dps
Use burst laser prime/laser rifle prime for Tenacious Bond

[wary forge]

well theres multiple ways to build latron

[formal glade]

how do i get more murmur? for the parazon simbol

[west radish]

its for volt with nourish going for levelcap

[violet silo]

you alr have deflection and aegis, thats good
for nuke, add overextended over themal transfer and switch arcane avenger for ice storm or augmented

[wary forge]

do u want to use it for single target or priming

[marble marten]

But without a doubt, the worst place to look for builds, and sadly the one everyone uses, is the general Warframe chat lol like, you don't even know what that build is for lol...

[static sphinx]

That's it?

[violet silo]

priming? single target? what???

[wary forge]

latron can prime yes

[west radish]

just as thrax killer and trash as well

[inner raptor]

what defensive mods do i use for a level cap nova?

[wary forge]

its evo can also make it aoe armor strip with like 2 shots

[wary forge]

https://overframe.gg/build/760537/

[violet silo]

then put archon vitality over augur

rank 0 is fine

[static sphinx]

Alright, thanks. Nuke is meant to be 3rd alternate, right?

[solar reef]

if you tell somebody their build sucks there they just call you a meta slave and then everybody hates you

[wary forge]

this goes over all the ways to build it and stuff https://overframe.gg/build/464476/latron-prime/latron-incarnon-bouncing-blasts-flensing-strike-strip/

[west radish]

yeah i was mostly just looking specifcally for volt

[limpid storm]

does anyone know why my exalted umbra blade is showing its going from 9.2x multi down to 2x??

[west radish]

and nourish xD

[wary forge]

its the same build

[solar reef]

do you have purple shards

[wary forge]

ig with nourish u woyldnt have to go for viral

[limpid storm]

oh yeah i have 4

[marble marten]

Me: Bro... that shit doesn't even have arcanes

[opal leaf]

Oh they be gleaming with lies hahaha

[west radish]

any big diff with wraith and prime?

[solar reef]

crepescular or tenacious bond too?

[violet silo]

get redline to 100, two hot sunder + 1 cold sunder

[prime fiber]

what do the mixed color shards do? im still working on my cavia rep for the segment

[limpid storm]

yes i have bothh, so it is actually 9.2x, but theyre conditional?

[solar reef]

thats what thats from

they wont show conditionals from things like CO it Berserkers though

[limpid storm]

ah i see

[solar reef]

just stuff like external modfiers

[limpid storm]

ty!!

[solar reef]

bunch of different stuff

[violet silo]

wait @static sphinx
forgot something
do you have helminth?

[wary forge]

wraith is more base dmg like non status dmg it does more

[opal leaf]

How do you really do multiCo (if there are any) on a Sentinel (Nautilus Specifically

[wary forge]

otherwise prime is just better

[marble marten]

There's no competition in this game lol. Noobs in Warframe are the stupidest people I've ever seen. You give them the best advice and they think they know more than you xD. Good luck, I guess.

[static sphinx]

I see. I rarely used hot sunder because 3rd skill is kind of confusing overall. Thanks.

[wary forge]

but it doesnt matter that much tbh

[ebon wedge]

in reference to that

[opal leaf]

You want a cursed build?

[solar reef]

“hey give me build advice”
“ok your current build sucks and heres how you fix it.”
“meta slave”

[ebon wedge]

I'm all ears

[prime fiber]

ngl tho, i have come across a few ppl like that

[solar reef]

its always general chat

[marble marten]

Me with loki, im meta slave

[solar reef]

mind control + decoy 🤑

those who cascade

[prime fiber]

i mean meta slaves that tell anyone their build sucks if its not 1:1 meta

the amount of ppl who have told me that my nova isnt even worth trying to run on SP

[violet silo]

Some people dont want help and prefer to insult you and say you're ragebaiting and a meta slave than just say "hey I don't really want you to help me"

[west radish]

i see

last question zach

[solar reef]

they just want affirmation

[wary forge]

whats up

[opal leaf]

I have an incarnon

[west radish]

in this case would latron be better or torid for my purpose levelcap volt with nourish thrax and trash killers

[old marsh]

a Penta enjoyer. hello good sir

[ebon wedge]

Penta Headshot

[marble marten]

The other day, a guy in my chat bought REGULAR Caliban with platinum, and I told him a thousand times to buy the prime version since it's a thousand times cheaper, but he literally didn't even reply. Sometimes I understand why people quit this game so quickly lol

[wary forge]

well it depends torid would be better for trash clearing and latron would be better for single target latron can trash clear but its pretty meh at it u use it for its single target or mass armor strip imo

[prime fiber]

someone told me to buy endo today

[old marsh]

*10 times

[violet silo]

exactly
I love it when I offer build advice in build discussion and get insulted for arbitrary reasons or am told im ragebaiting

[marble marten]

🥀

[solar reef]

you’d have a blast with some of the language barrier conversations we have here

[old marsh]

i support your builds

[prime fiber]

as someone who has been on both sides of this, its not everyone, yes there are ppl that just want to have ppl call their build good, but others genuinely want help and the advice just comes across as tone deaf or rude

[west radish]

i see thansk zach

[opal leaf]

Can I use Latron as a boss killer?

Ah nice

[ebon wedge]

it can

in Incarnon form

[opal leaf]

Nice

[prime fiber]

ive had people accuse me of being the type to not actually want help cause the help they had offered was simply not the help i was looking for

[violet silo]

had a conversation with someone in build discussion and I asked a question because I didn't want to scroll between the og message (an hour earlier) and the conversation we were having and got insulted by them every time I tried to provide advice because of it

[ebon wedge]

big bouncy orb of red crit of destruction

[old marsh]

u can but the bouncy balls make u think its more suitable for mob clearing

[opal leaf]

Ohhh

[ebon wedge]

it can headshot still

[opal leaf]

Ooo like Nokko

[prime fiber]

hope this wasnt me, cause i can lowkey come across as mean when i need to repeat my question like five times

[solar reef]

the worst ones to deal with arent even the mean ones

[violet silo]

it wasnt you, ive blocked this person

[solar reef]

its the ones who just repeat themselves after getting an answer, only to get the same answer from 5 other people, and still complain

[violet silo]

I dont want to provide build advice to people who would rather spend the time insulting me than answering the questions

[prime fiber]

ok but like lowkey, sometimes i ask a question and at the end add "i know X is BIS can you instead tell me an alternative" and people just tell me to get X over and over

[solar reef]

its not like that

i mean like uh

[prime fiber]

nah i get what you mean, its just i stuggle with not giving benefit of the doubt in scenarios like that xD

[marble marten]

I spend most of my time in my clan chat because every time I enter the general chat I start foaming at the mouth

[prime fiber]

ive dealt with those ppl aswell

[solar reef]

like balticurry; super nice person but they literally asked the same questuons about Caliban for like 2 weeks only for everyone to tell them their build was fine each time

[marble marten]

"Bro, how do you get a Kuva lich?" I don't know, bro. What if you check YouTube?

[ebon wedge]

I do feel like Akimbo weapon need bigger Riven disposition to rival with their one-handed sidearm who has access to incarnon forms, especially the Aklex Prime who's suffer heavily in reload speed, 3 second of inactivity is awful, I did got a "jack of all trade" riven, but because of how low the disposition is, it is still remain awful in term of damage/crit damage/chance, but "bearable" in term of reload speed at least, if it was at leas at 4, that would have been better :

-# the ammo economy however...

[prime fiber]

the clan i joined on returning is lowkey dead asf, but i dont have the heart to leave cause my friend founded it and has pretty much maxed everything required in dojo

[violet silo]

yeah balt goes in circles a lot

[prime fiber]

hear me out, akimbo incarnons, but an aspect gets nerfed for ballance sake

[violet silo]

hear me out
aklarx

felarx
but two of them

[ebon wedge]

already done.

[violet silo]

no you dont get it

[prime fiber]

dont let me become this with my nova

[astral tinsel]

you'd need 4 hands for the incarnon mode

[marble marten]

We need sonicor incarnon

[ebon wedge]

and, I'm gonna say it

Felarx Incarnon are fun

[old marsh]

Twin Hek

[violet silo]

you mount the other two on your shoulders

[prime fiber]

nah, the extra set is for an overwatch reaper style reload

[violet silo]

kuva akhek

atp its just onomatopoeia

akkh! hek!

[marble marten]

What do you think of my convectrix build?

[violet silo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/216371815482654720/1498004406237659319/togif.gif

the pink floyd special

[old marsh]

u can upgrade it. ||Tenet Convectrix||

[marble marten]

They burn a lot lol

[prime fiber]

crying cause i cant find a gif of reaper throwing his shotguns away to reload

ok actual build question, ive seen marksman rifles and snipers one shot thraxes in cascades, are there shotguns that can do that easily or nah?

kuba hek?

cause i had to spend legit hours getting my one shot to finally work

[marble marten]

Convectrix with black energy be like

[fresh plume]

what's another helminth ability I can use in swap for xatas whisper for titania

is roar good enough for the time being

[prime fiber]

was about to say roar

pretty universal if you have decent strength

[violet silo]

doesnt compare but its a nice lil damage buff

[fresh plume]

thanks! how big of a difference do they actually have?

getting the materials for xaku is insanely boring

[violet silo]

xata isnt used for the same reason

[solar reef]

xatas whisper is explicitly used for blast builds

Roar will perform better otherwise

[prime fiber]

chromas elemental ward ig

is another choice

[fresh plume]

oh, that's noted, istg modding is actually driving me insane, ion understand a single thing

[solar reef]

I actually use either evade or tempest barrage

on Titania

[undone dust]

tempest titania sounds funny

[violet silo]

xata double dips on blast procs

[solar reef]

small amounts of viral/corrosive

[fresh plume]

whenever I think I'm starting to understand modding new info gets into me and I have to start from 0

[prime fiber]

eclipse could work too

[solar reef]

since tempest barrage has no cast-limit, you can cast it as many times as you can sustain it

Titania lets you see more of the field

you can carpet bomb tiles with priming

[violet silo]

I think that just means you've leveled up
you're at a new level of modding now

[prime fiber]

dont worry about not getting xatas wisper, its prolly mechanically one of the most complicated abilities with everything going on under the hood

[fresh plume]

what the hell, seeing this stuff is making me question if I should really be in the mid game territory

it's making me feel like I'm back to mr 0

[violet silo]

this level is the extra hit and explosion level ig

[solar reef]

i dont use that set up when I go to level cap

but its fun for things like perita

[undone dust]

flying around dropping straight bombs

[solar reef]

i just use evade if im doing endurance

[prime fiber]

im curious what MR do yall think I am? cause yall know im a returning player im kinda curious where you guys think i stand

[violet silo]

15

[prime fiber]

i know MR isnt really that important

[fresh plume]

all I was gonna do with titania was corrupted mod farming now I'm desperately trying to understand modding

[fresh plume]

around 20s?

[solar reef]

i mean titanias pretty simple

just a healthy mix of strength and duration

[prime fiber]

stack duration if you just wanna farm corrupted mods

toss in preparation

[quiet laurel]

trying to understand modding is just understanding the math and the specific interactions of popular build choices

[solar reef]

if you use something weird like tempest then you slot range

[quiet laurel]

problem with this games modding when trying to understand it is that there barely is any consistencies

[fresh plume]

i used simple frames that barely needed stuff to comprehend, now that I need to learn how to mod my frame in combination with weapons is driving me insane

[old marsh]

on the topic of Hek. can anyone here suggest changes to my build.

[prime fiber]

just wait until you get your hands on lavos...

[prime fiber]

29 xD

[violet silo]

xata is an extra hit. whenever you deal damage, xata takes that damage and pours salt on the wound. its like that but with an explosion

[violet silo]

halfway there

[solar reef]

titanis IS simple

shes practically just two abilities and one of them is just her guns

[prime fiber]

i need to build my lavos prime so i have something better than hildryn for railjack

[solar reef]

hold cast 1 for status immunity, and her 4 is just flight/exalteds

[quiet laurel]

titania uses like 1 niche interaction which is blast xatas so thats pretty simple imo

[fresh plume]

I used a kuva nukor most of the time so ts is new territory for me

[violet silo]

they probably havent done anything like blast xata tho

[quiet laurel]

just need to hear it once and then you know it tho

[violet silo]

kuva sobek for example

[prime fiber]

when the ooga booga melee player starts build crafting a caster xD

[solar reef]

no different than modding roar or eclipse

you just throw blast on your gun instead

[fresh plume]

how long did it take y'all to understand modding stuff like this

[violet silo]

ooga booga melee players when miscellaneous damage, influence, irradiate, pax seeker, and debilitate

[solar reef]

passively as new tech came out

[fresh plume]

I'm at mr 10 and understand 0% of these yet I'm applying it

[prime fiber]

if you focus on learning the how and why instead of the what, you will learn much faster

[solar reef]

ive level capped with mr5’s before

[prime fiber]

dont learn what builds to run, learn why they are ran

[fresh plume]

okayokay noted

[cobalt kite]

explain it to me like I'm five

pwease

[violet silo]

something I dont think ill ever understand https://youtu.be/IRT49z6o4yo

[prime fiber]

so like with titania, the how is hold casting 1 for status immunity and her 4 for mobility, built for strength and duration, because neither ability is used for much beyond self buffing you can assume range is no longer needed, and drain abilities scale with duration so effiency isnt a priority

[violet silo]

misc damage is bullshit

[solar reef]

this is why we should all just play grendel or oberon or follie or sevagoth and just do % damage

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-drooling-patrick-star-spongebob-movie-drooling-slime-gif-525340425450564005

[prime fiber]

whats misc damage?

[violet silo]

good question

[prime fiber]

what this?

[old marsh]

can anyone suggest changes to my Hek build

[violet silo]

thats not what that was

[prime fiber]

pretty similar setup

different guns

the how and why are the same

[violet silo]

nope

no, that was miscellaneous dmg simultaneously activating 3 different weapons

[prime fiber]

oh, i was mostly just looking at them nuking with breach surge xD

was there audio i should have been listening to?

OH

turning on audio made so much more sense

misc damage is weapon coding

ive known that

DE had to go out of their way to make arcane hotshot not apply to breach surge specifically because of this interaction

[red prism]

You have a build burston prime ?

[prime fiber]

im 100% stealing some of these interactions

[wary forge]

dont go viral heat or any stauts at all

[old marsh]

gotcha. i can atleast put the primed mods, right? or should i not?

[wary forge]

ofc

[solar reef]

build for pure radiation, no multishot

also -magazine size

Hek LOVES -magazine

[old marsh]

gotcha. just only CC, CD and MS. i honestly thought SC/Proj would be worth it given how many it fires

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[wary forge]

thats just like pure one shot

it one shots level cap thrax if u hit a headshot if not its gonna take 2 thats why ammo stock is good

[solar reef]

I run xatas blast hek

sometimes a gas roar hek

[wary forge]

yeah with buffs its stupid

doesnt eve need buffs tho

also go magneitc progen

[old marsh]

share build plz

[solar reef]

i miss when it was THE demo gun

[wary forge]

its still good vs acolytes as well

it just has so much multishot

[solar reef]

when in not using scourge or stahlta its my harrow primary of choice

[wary forge]

ye it still holds up

[solar reef]

since condem makes it so easy to just erase acolyte heads

[prime fiber]

watched the video with audio, i have it figured out
so Exodia Contagion is being used to proc Melee influence to prime enemies, then breach surge is being used to apply 10 rad stacks and trigger sparks, when breach surge is used those rad stacks trigger arcane irradiate which deals secondary damage, that secondary damage on hit will proc pax seeker, thats just the pistol.
those same ten rad stacks when hit by the same misc damage activate primary debilitate, primary debilitate will inflict a proc of heat/electric that scales with the initial breach surge hit that is coded as Primary damage, because its coded as primary damage it will use the primary you have equiped as a stat stick, hence acid shells triggering.
the initial breach surge cast at this point will hit an electric proc inflicted by primary debilitate or the initial melee influence, which will trigger melee influence (again), further spreading electric and whatever else you had riding on your melee

misc damage is easier to understand if you see it like a universal weapon that deals all three types of damage, primary secondary and melee, its simply all your weapons at the exact same time

[prime fiber]

this burston prime?

[wary forge]

yeah its burston prime with shot gun cannonade

[prime fiber]

i should maybe read mods before asking xD

[solar reef]

primed ravage burston

[prime fiber]

i realized that as you were responding

[solar reef]

my favorite

[prime fiber]

you said one shot thrax and my brain went to the weapon ive been waiting to get my hands on xD

[prime fiber]

in my defense i did just all my remaining brain power on this

[solar reef]

any weapon one shots thraxx if you just dont shoot and use Smite instead

https://tenor.com/view/kai-cenat-kai-cenat-interruption-peggle-peggle-deluxe-peggle-nights-gif-7906656662344117112

[wary forge]

i wish nekros 1 was as good as smite

[solar reef]

nekros 1 should create a gaseuous miasma that does level scaling damage or health% damage

[prime fiber]

how is that soul related at all xD

[solar reef]

stench of death

[solar reef]

miasma is closely tied to the dead

[prime fiber]

mk, too bad the ability is called soul punch and not death punch xD

[solar reef]

too bad his whole kit kinda sucks save for terrify

[prime fiber]

hes good enough for what he does

[violet silo]

what's the source of the misc damage tho, breach surge?

[prime fiber]

besides with the right build hes nigh immortal

[solar reef]

ok but so is chroma and chroma needs a rework

[solar reef]

hes no more immortal than any other shield gate frame

hes arguably worse at it since he needs 3 casting shards to be effective at it

[prime fiber]

yeah, its all legit that initial cast of breach surge, im assuming the electricity procs just keep the sparks bouncing so its constantly doing damage and procing that massive flow chart i wrote down

[prime fiber]

im willing to bet all this happens six or seven times they do that

atleast

[violet silo]

so breach surge sparks are triggering the hit effects of debilitate and irradiate?

didn't know that was a thing

[prime fiber]

breach surge is the best misc damage source cause its a direct buff of anything in, and if you can get the misc damage to proc a DOT, it can self chain

[violet silo]

I should use more wisp

[prime fiber]

its why i knew it as weapon coding instead of misc damage

being weapon coded means its can proc all three weapons effects cause its damage is coded as any of them