builds-discussion

[versed harbor]

there are higher range higher dmg nukes around now anyway

[velvet pulsar]

DE never understood to this day how to properly do AFK fixes

[dense abyss]

DE was very lazy, because the AFK thing that Wukong was nerf with the clone can work with every ability, but they didn't use with her

[velvet pulsar]

Objectively nerfing something was never a way to fix AFK issue

[dense abyss]

say this for DE, kekw

[velvet pulsar]

All they had to do was to add the condition that "if a player doesn't move 5m within 2 mins, then AFK penalty will apply".

[dense abyss]

very niche gameplay now, in tilesets without space to jump high and slam, this gameplay is just useless

[velvet pulsar]

By saying this, you have confirmed you don't play in asia servers

[dense abyss]

and the nerf with the cloud is another thing too

[velvet pulsar]

[dense abyss]

i'm just saying the gameplay not work in every scenario

[velvet pulsar]

We have a ton of slamkongs to this day in asia server.

[dense abyss]

but i know that still happens

[velvet pulsar]

Nerfs didn't stop them from playing it.

But I will.

BTW I don't think Uriel will receive any nerf

[lucid flint]

Im pretty sure ember was nerfed before steel path released

[dense abyss]

yes

[velvet pulsar]

Because DE wants people to play more uriel, sentimental value coz being the last frame DEsigned by the one who isn't alive anymore.

[dense abyss]

is a good point, yes, they make the entire quest for him, they did sell this image for the modern warframe

[lucid flint]

also because uriel honestly isn’t even that strong

he’s a solid easy to build nuke but other frames can easily outperform

the point is he isn’t the first on the list to get nuked

[untold crag]

What are must have mods for Yareli?

[elfin sluice]

does galvanized aptitude affect nightwatch napalm?

[gleaming vapor]

no

[elfin sluice]

what can i improve here for a toxic lash saryn ogris? misery's a temp insert since i don't have primed banes for corpus/grineer

[fierce lark]

heavy calibre

[elfin sluice]

reduced accuracy is helpful on this thing?

[velvet pulsar]

More multi shot by vigilante mod? Or more dmg by heavy caliber. Or cannonade

[fierce lark]

yep, spreads the bombs out for more aoe

[velvet pulsar]

Also saryn has a lot of energy max & a decent energy economy to run Overcharge

[elfin sluice]

also. energized munitions or dispensary - i have both subsumed on saryn. which is better for this gun?

[fierce lark]

EM probably

[velvet pulsar]

Dispensary if u want to make full use of it (including infinite revives)

[fierce lark]

dispensary is useless unless you’re actually camping a single spot for long periods

surv/arbis

[elfin sluice]

enmun for mobile stuff, disp for arbys, noted

[fierce lark]

/det

[elfin sluice]

replaced serration with caliber and misery with cannonade

[velvet pulsar]

This is how u get infinite revives by Dispensary:
https://youtu.be/YfIykdKhcS8?si=DWgp08lU6FTg4VpO

[dense abyss]

no way u'll play just to do this... kekw

[velvet pulsar]

There is a cure to every skill issue

[dense abyss]

Roar/Silence is just not the overall best choices?

[velvet pulsar]

Besides, you're only sacrificing your pistol exilus slot

[elfin sluice]

energizing shot with dispensary orbs?

[velvet pulsar]

About that

[fierce lark]

if you’re playing saryn ogris you have to run an ammo subsume

[velvet pulsar]

Or sahasa kubrow

[dense abyss]

oh yeah, Ogris, i skipped this part

my bad

[velvet pulsar]

Sahasa Kubrow is basically dispensary but on foot

[elfin sluice]

ammo subsume 100% - just did a 50-wave arby with the gun on lavos(who needed levelling and didn't have one of those) and it ran out of ammo every single time i stood still for more than five seconds

[fierce lark]

isn’t Sahasa like 1 drop every 20s

[velvet pulsar]

2-3 ammo packs

[fierce lark]

2.7 drops every 20 seconds

as fitting as it is that we’re running a dog for this

because that is dog shit

[velvet pulsar]

And it digs based on what u need.

Like if u have ogris with 10 ammo in reserve and 3 ammo in magazine, having less than 10 ammo in reserve will trigger kubrow to guaranteed dig for ogris ammo

[versed harbor]

💀 that was so corny

true tho

[velvet pulsar]

dogs hit

[fierce lark]

yeah so 2, sometimes 3 ammo every 20s, assuming it always gets ammo and doesn’t get energy sometimes

that’s not gonna be enough to replace another ammo source

[velvet pulsar]

Is Dispensary much faster?

[dense abyss]

in this case, just drop Ogris kekw

[elfin sluice]

dispensary gives a pickup every 6s

and with high str, gives bonus ones regularly

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah dispensary can have more use cases

Can even pair its exilus augment with Sacrifice sentinel mod if wanting survivability (counter intuitive if already having Energizing Shot)

[fierce lark]

dispensary is also universal ammo packs which may cause 2 pickup with ammo mutation? unsure

[elfin sluice]

good call on ammo mut - was running vigilante supplies

oops

[velvet pulsar]

Unfortunately even wiki doesn't know it

[elfin sluice]

apparently the market price for prime sniper ammo mutation is extremely volatile

ranging from 36p to 72p on a per-day basis

[velvet pulsar]

There is a prime?

[elfin sluice]

yeah

[elfin sluice]

prime form converts almost the entire secondary ammo pickup into primary

[warm obsidian]

Any Shadow Clone builds?

[old charm]

This is a Warframe discord, not Diablo 4 😄

Is it next update they’re fixing Ash’s finisher thing?

[velvet pulsar]

"Ash will be able to join his 4 again."

[dense abyss]

he can't now?

using teleport?

[velvet pulsar]

"We don't know who or why it was removed."

• DE

So basically a DEveloper can do anything during a rework and it won't be even justified.

[dense abyss]

i don't get it, is a bug?

[velvet pulsar]

I wonder if its the same reason why Trinity lost her damage mechanic from Well of Life.

[velvet pulsar]

DE is bringing it back.
They don't know why it was removed.

I don't know why my AC was replaced with a table fan in my own house.

That's the current scenario.

[dense abyss]

i don't play with Ash because his 4 is so slow, is crazy, but now Ash can't even join the 4? kekw...

[velvet pulsar]

He will be after the update

[dense abyss]

still, is very slow, right?

[velvet pulsar]

Base ash, probably.
But MFD ash, maybe not.

[zinc oasis]

ive got a verglas riven and i wanna try build nautilus for grouping and nuking, what kind of stats should i try get on the riven?

[velvet pulsar]

Mandatory CC with a harmless negative.

[rancid mirage]

Crit chance and fire rate

[zinc oasis]

how much cc should i aim for? rn ive got like 78% total, the riven had like 200% i think

[velvet pulsar]

That's good already.

[zinc oasis]

ohh hell yeah

[dense abyss]

i think CC>FR>MS with harmless negative is the call for the riven

[zinc oasis]

and i’ve got 150% status

[velvet pulsar]

What's ur current riven roll?

[zinc oasis]

lemme get ss of it

i can defo get better but this is it for now

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah 2 positive & 1 negative as I thought

[zinc oasis]

is 2 positives and 1 negative good?

[rancid mirage]

yea this is pretty good but def invest more so you can get different negatives then grineer

[zinc oasis]

yeahh i’m gonna when i get more kuva

[velvet pulsar]

2 p 1 n CC verglas roll can allow verglas to run tenacious bond without needing another CC mod

[zinc oasis]

ooo okay

[velvet pulsar]

However for more damage, I run another CC mod

[zinc oasis]

yeahh i’ve got critical delay on with it

[rancid mirage]

Just remember that you can nuke without riven but riven makes scaling into higher lvl lot easier

[velvet pulsar]

Verglas Riven main catch is to allow Tenacious Bond

[zinc oasis]

yess i was lucky to get the riven so im trying to make use of it😭

[zinc oasis]

i’m sure i have that on my build

[subtle solstice]

how can i boost my amp damage? I assume it's with arcanes but idk which ones allow people to do such absurd amounts of damage to high ranking steel path enemies

[velvet pulsar]

I turned out to be exactly lucky.

[rancid mirage]

I don’t have one so I js use primer set up bc trying to set up a chain without riven js annoying and its lot faster to js play normal

[zinc oasis]

wait nope i’ve got these

[subtle solstice]

anybody?

[velvet pulsar]

Put Tenacious Bond instead of vicious bond coz Nautilus cannot proc it

[zinc oasis]

okii i’ll add that when i get on

[rancid mirage]

I think they also need redirection too for that

[velvet pulsar]

Any particular weapon or ability?

[zinc oasis]

isn’t there a prime for redirection?

[subtle solstice]

just my main amp, 477

[rancid mirage]

Not for sentinels i think

[velvet pulsar]

Calculated Redirection is for Reinforced Bond

[zinc oasis]

ohh i’ve got calculated redirection tho

[rancid mirage]

I abbreviated

[velvet pulsar]

Tenacious Bond needs atleast 50% CC on verglas

[zinc oasis]

no problem

what does tenacious bond do?

[velvet pulsar]

+1.2× CD on all weapons

[zinc oasis]

ooo

[rancid mirage]

Replace shield charger with that for tenacious bond

[zinc oasis]

okii

[velvet pulsar]

Flat value so irrespective of low CD weapons

[velvet pulsar]

I repeat again, tenacious bond doesn't use calculated redirection

[rancid mirage]

yea even tho its contagion status nuking, it helps w initial kill and ig chain dmg too

[velvet pulsar]

Reinforced Bond uses that shield mod

[rancid mirage]

Oh

[velvet pulsar]

Lemme gather the screenshot

[rancid mirage]

Oh wtf

[rancid mirage]

You are telling them to use 1.2 crit instead of fire rate???

[eager ocean]

should i roll this to try and get more plat value out of it?

[velvet pulsar]

We can use both.

They're not mutually exclusive.

[rancid mirage]

I was so sure that you would recommend fire rate more

[dense abyss]

just use both, why u'll choose only one?

[velvet pulsar]

Must I remind u why our conversation began, yes my conversation would later go on to recommend that too

[rancid mirage]

Yea I was thinking about fire rate bond mod bc that’s priority

[velvet pulsar]

We started with verglas riven

Verglas rivens don't trigger Reinforced Bond

They trigger Tenacious Bond

[rancid mirage]

yea

[velvet pulsar]

Now that we got nautilus build, I'll start suggesting that

[elfin sluice]

verglas needs said riven to have crit chance in order to do so - critical delay is not enough

[subtle solstice]

@velvet pulsar ?

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah about that, amp damage can be boosted by jade's 2, volt's shields stacking, and tauron strike modding

[rancid mirage]

I was also in assumption that verglass riven automatically puts tenacious bond into a build but ig I didn’t read ss enough

[subtle solstice]

are there ways i can increase amp damage without using warframe abilities?

[velvet pulsar]

Magus Melt, an operator arcane which buffs amp.

That way u already have 2 arcanes for amp already, and outsource another by operator

[subtle solstice]

i see. Anything else?

[velvet pulsar]

However magus melt won't boost damage against enemies which strictly want void damage

[rancid mirage]

madurai?

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah madurai abilities are also damage boosting for amps

[rancid mirage]

also pretty good w that 2 aoe for breaking little void rifts in cascade

[velvet pulsar]

If magus melt solves ur amp damage, then pair it with Magus Accelerant

Accelerant applies infinite stacking, infinite duration heat dmg vulnerability against enemies u void sling through.

[subtle solstice]

oooooo! Will this work on void angels?

[velvet pulsar]

Only on the physical form IIRC, coz I think the flying dimension form wants pure void damage? Not sure.

[rancid mirage]

Also look into eradicate and onslaught

[subtle solstice]

aaaaww....

[velvet pulsar]

Not sure, maybe it'll work

[subtle solstice]

oh?

[rancid mirage]

Those for amp dmg

[subtle solstice]

should i use those instead then?

[rancid mirage]

I think those are best amp arcane imo

also mangus melt thing is operator arcane so you can use all of them

[subtle solstice]

hmmm... What school should i pair it with?

[subtle solstice]

ooooh i see

[velvet pulsar]

Magus arcanes are for operator
Eternal arcanes are for amp

U can use both pairs together

[subtle solstice]

and for the school?

[velvet pulsar]

For now, madurai

Until u unlock tauron strikes

[subtle solstice]

alrighty

thx everyone

[old charm]

I personally use magus melt, arcane tempo, and eternal logistics for arcanes. Amp damage wise from focus schools, Naramon provides the highest average amp damage bonus between its 100% from combo and 200% from lethal levitation. Once you get a tauron strike though, that’s really all you need with a decent amp already to handle void angels just fine

[subtle solstice]

i'll write that down

[old charm]

If you had to choose one focus schools to prioritize, including tauron strikes, Unairu is the best general use one by far which also has 100% amp damage in it for your whole team

[subtle solstice]

Hmmm

[near crater]

Would this be an okay baseline for Gyre? I'm going for Gyre prime some time later.

I also intend to use archon stretch for extra energy Regen and think about her rotorswell dmg reduction augment. Blind rage is there as an equalizer for overextended

And good thing I remembered that falling out of bounds/respawning either way let's me recast her 3 and 4 after augmented is at max.

[civic shore]

Guys can someone suggest me some good heat weapons for zephyr tornado that synergize with arcane hotshot

[old charm]

Kuva nukor

Just kidding, its got horrible base crit

[civic shore]

and ?

[old charm]

I’d say a genuine answer would be hate with its burning hate augment that’s available right now

[civic shore]

i meant primary sorry, weapon that i can shoot into tornadoes adn proc arcane hotshot

[old charm]

Oh, idk then, I’ve been melee only since 2013

[civic shore]

no worries hopefully somebody answers 🙂

[velvet pulsar]

Miter Incarnon

Incarnoff can work too

[civic shore]

sorry iam still fairly new the only incarnon i have are from the past 2 weeks okina and braton and this weeks, so any other recommendation?

[velvet pulsar]

Hmm
Cedo Alt fire or tenet quanta alt fire

They can work

[civic shore]

can i make arca plasmor heat?

elemental vicE?

[versed harbor]

you can but not rly worth it

if u want a damage over time for it you'd use electric

[civic shore]

i want a weapon to take advantage of arcane hotshot on my zephyr when i use tornadoes and shoot int othem , earlier it was nataruk , but now i want to try something else, and i dont know a lot of weapons

[velvet pulsar]

If u wanna use primary, what primaries u currently have?

Even if partially built.

[civic shore]

i can build most i do have the platinum for that, i just want a weapon that i can get via trading or farming, so incarnons that are not in rotation i cant have, MR17

[velvet pulsar]

Cedo can be traded, both base & prime

[civic shore]

i do have it , but how would make cedo around heat , or is it even worth it will it benefit from hothsot arcane critchance

[velvet pulsar]

On the contrary, Cedo would highly benefit Hot Shot zephyr

Zephyr has a mechanic called "crit inherit"

[civic shore]

i was planning to have a weapon possibly with low critchance but hit like a truck that i can get more chacne through hotshot and shoot into tornado

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah I'm explaining all of it

[civic shore]

please go ahead

[velvet pulsar]

Zephyr's tornado has an interaction with all guns which have more than 1 damaging mode.

For example, in case of Cedo, it has a primary fire & an alt fire.
Primary fire has good CC while alt fire has very low critical chance, 10% IIRC.

However, when shot at Zephyr's 4, it considers cedo's primary fire critical chance as the CC value of alt fire.
Now pair that with Hot Shot, and you turned a non-crit alt fire into an extremely high crit homing AoE damage dealer + primer.

[civic shore]

how would i mod it around heat,

[velvet pulsar]

Alt fire has extremely high status chance and can apply heat, cold, toxin, or electric randomly.

U can mod it for heat and status chance, and you've basically guaranteed heat procs.

[civic shore]

i just use the galive mode on my tornadoes?

[velvet pulsar]

Absolutely

Mod for critical damage.

[civic shore]

can u please share the mods , iam very bad at it

[velvet pulsar]

Can replace the elemental mods with heat mod and probably damage mod.

For arcane on cedo, can use shotgun vendetta or u can pick something else of choice.

[half gust]

where can i look for a tierlist for stuff like companions and when each one is better? overframe is hella outdated

[velvet pulsar]

Case by case basis.

A tool fitting for a specific frame or game mode

[half gust]

so overframe then

[civic shore]

so i replac every elemental with heat rest is same?

[velvet pulsar]

Toxic Barrage & Chilling Reload are the only elements

[civic shore]

also woudnt putting only heat on cedo would complety neuter the normal mode since it scales with more elements?

[civic shore]

i have incediary coat, what else would you recommend

[velvet pulsar]

Damage mod on the other.

[velvet pulsar]

Alt fire still randomly procs slash, electric, cold, toxin, and a forced blast.

Heat will be most prominent.

[velvet pulsar]

(point blank or primed version, or blaze)

[civic shore]

they cant "override" heat?

[velvet pulsar]

Not once u mod for heat.

You'll have guaranteed heat procs with a chance to have electric, toxin, or cold.

[civic shore]

ty that was very informative, any other weapon recomendations

[velvet pulsar]

There is Tenet Quanta with 100% base status chance on alt fire

Same crit inherit mechanic used.

Can innately get heat by progenitor

[tall silo]

which build to use for her? One hand i got duration which is for her 1 and i like it but the other has strength which is good for her 4 and kills enemies easily

[granite ginkgo]

ngl i dont like voruna 4th, the only good is cosmetic purpose but for "long-term" use her 4th dmg is lacking

subsume WA (kullervo subsume) on her 4th, personally - it help flat crit dmg guarantee hit and melee influence make room nuke

[drifting gust]

should I use voruna slam with afflictions by doing explosion or gas?

cause the base scaling of explosive is tempting but the lasting gas clouds are also nice

[digital trench]

guys what is the best path for melee damage build, I'm returing player, is it still condition overload?

[warm obsidian]

Ash need augments?

[digital trench]

pertty sure he needs

[granite ginkgo]

just this one for extend and movement buff

[warm obsidian]

I assume I use 3 in tandem with 4

[versed harbor]

usually ye

[oak saffron]

Is the regular okina incarnon better than the prime version if I include a riven?

[dusky bane]

doubt

[west radish]

how do i make it work

how do i forma this

[versed harbor]

aura slot

[west radish]

if i forma umbral and aura i will have exactly enough for max primed flow right?

[versed harbor]

just the aura would do it pretty sure

ye easily

[west radish]

okay i dont know the math behind aura forma

[versed harbor]

itll get you to 74 mod capacity

and maxed primed flow will be 14 (down to 7)

[charred gale]

matching the polarity on ur aura just doubles the amount it gives u

[west radish]

oh

[static sphinx]

Why is basmu good? Not saying that it's bad, I'm just genuinely confused.

[west radish]

host migrration

[velvet pulsar]

Healing, battery weapon, quick reload (yes, has a reload animation despite being a battery weapon), primary fire is projectile AoE while alt fire is homing chain beam.

Has a nightwave augment for more damage which is usually used on health tanks.

[static sphinx]

I guess my build is just trash then.

[velvet pulsar]

I guess, but Basmu is still mid damage wise.

[dark harbor]

i like the fact it has true damage

[velvet pulsar]

It's the only weapon in the game which has true damage, but it's very low.

[dark harbor]

ye

it does this / fully depleting the weapon's magazine produces three 10-meter pulses that deals up to 10 True Damage, staggers nearby enemies and heals the user's health by 10x the damage done to each enemy per pulse.

but

it has the augment

[static sphinx]

It seems like I was severely underrating it. This is my current build (underleveled mods because I haven't used formas yet). Any actually good builds for it?

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah, 360% of 10 damage is 36 damage.

[dark harbor]

you can still do a build like this

and kill lvl 230 pretty ez

with magnetic/corrosive and gas

[velvet pulsar]

Multiplicative damage like eclipse or roar can further increase to 3 digit damage.

[dark harbor]

yeah the only bad thing its that the base damage is pretty low

[velvet pulsar]

I see it better as a healer

[dark harbor]

still for example on a greener

[velvet pulsar]

If went for full on damage modding, it can reach 3 digits and then multiply by 10 for further healing, so 1000 heal per pulse.

[dark harbor]

you kinda get this

ofc i suppose you can get more

but i don't play with basmu

you can still with a good configuration kill lvl cap enemies

but you need to know the D.V.S

the rest is kinda ggs

[glass moon]

is this good enough

id put this in the exilus slot but id need like 3 formas to make it fit

[dark harbor]

exilus is good

mmmm

[velvet pulsar]

I'd argue killing blow should be replaced but rest is good

[glass moon]

alr

[dark harbor]

corrupt charge could also be good

as you don't loose much combo multi when throwing the xoris

[glass moon]

yeah but

[versed harbor]

galv reflex is enough rly

[glass moon]

i get 5x initial from galv reflex

[versed harbor]

if u have both corrupt and reflex you end up with the same combo as just reflex when spam throwing anyway

[dark harbor]

then sure is fine

[glass moon]

is it even worth spending 3 formas to slot in dispatch overdrive lol

[versed harbor]

up to u fr

I love dispatch overdrive but so annoying when u need loads of forma for it

[dark harbor]

for example

you can build it like this also

ye the exilus is good

[solar reef]

not the hunkpain infomational 😭

[dark harbor]

[severe bough]

Pigeon🥀

[glass moon]

xoris is the best glaive rn right

[versed harbor]

falcor better but xoris still cooks

[glass moon]

what does the falcor do better

[chrome badge]

homing

Falcor homes in on targets while Xoris be fumbling

imo i do still think xoris is better

since its free + infinite combo throw spam

[versed harbor]

falcor also has big statoos

and rivens if ur into that sorta thing

[static sphinx]

Alright thanks

Is there any helminth skill that can generate energy?

[wraith sinew]

Got me a cold tenet plinx on this sister

Is it worth investing into?

[dark harbor]

For most builds, Dispensary is the standard “energy generation” Helminth pick/Nourish (from Grendel)
Doesn’t create energy, but it boosts the amount of energy you gain from all sources, including Energy Orbs and Zenurik.

[velvet pulsar]

Dispensary can have several use cases.

[dark harbor]

Dispensary (from Protea)
Spawns pickups over time, including Energy Orbs, Health Orbs, and ammo. This is the most commonly used Helminth ability for sustained energy economy

[wraith sinew]

@velvet pulsar wiki says alt fire has multiplicative co

[velvet pulsar]

(more than just energy economy)

[velvet pulsar]

Yes. Alt fire also has another multiplicative damage multiplier.

[static sphinx]

Alright I'll get it soon for Mesa I guess.

[velvet pulsar]

Wow, u using dispensary for mesa?!

[wraith sinew]

So big damages on the alt fire

[chrome badge]

personally i just run Blood for Energy and Blood for Health on my parazon and just mercy kill eximus

[velvet pulsar]

Put atleast one mod for magazine capacity

[wraith sinew]

This sounds like it would be good with mesa 1

[dark harbor]

you can also use nokko but you need to jump on the mushroom

[solar reef]

Xoris generally better unless riven

[wraith sinew]

I finally got a syam, it’s great

[static sphinx]

Not yet. Being honest, I haven't unlocked helminth skill thing yet. Mesa is just one of the frames that I'd like to invest in, but also one of frames that have a clear flaw.

[solar reef]

be sure to utilize multiCO on it

[wraith sinew]

Running it on voruna melee platform with wrathful advance

[velvet pulsar]

Mesa's 1 doesn't affect all multishot pellets BTW, only 1 of them.
However the 1st ability augment works on all pellets of multishot.

[solar reef]

i repeat, be sure to utilize the multiCO on it

[inner raptor]

with killing blow / ppp

[wraith sinew]

I am, the correct way is to use condition overload with serration?

[inner raptor]

only on weapons with multiplicative condition overload

[velvet pulsar]

Be sure to put this on her regulators exilus & standard pistol exilus:
https://youtu.be/SB8jZVLuBCs?si=fQWh3CYEG9gDU0b_

[wraith sinew]

Yep

[solar reef]

syams projectile is

[wraith sinew]

*pressure point

[solar reef]

preferably killing blow in this case but yeah

[wraith sinew]

Any arcanes I could use? Currently I have an influence and animosity build

[solar reef]

animosity is NOT the move

its a heavy spam weapon

[wraith sinew]

Ohh I’ll try that

Better arcanes then?

[solar reef]

The only two arcanes worth using on it are either exposure(for raw damage setups) or influence(blast/gas required)

[wraith sinew]

I can’t figure out how to mod plain electric onto the heavy attack

[solar reef]

you have to mod in gas or blast

[wraith sinew]

When I try to go gas electric it just turns into heat corrosive because of the innate

[solar reef]

the modded gas will remove the innate heat

[wraith sinew]

I had the same problem with Zenistar

[wraith sinew]

Huh

Do I have to have heat and toxin mods?

[solar reef]

thats the only reason gas/blast is there

[wraith sinew]

Ohhh that makes more sense

Ima need some forma

[static sphinx]

Weird how there's a very niche mod for almost everything.
It's exilus, right?

[solar reef]

thats also the biggest flaw of that setup

you have to dedicate 3 mods to element alone just to have electricity

[wraith sinew]

Hold on I never considered this

[solar reef]

if you AREN’T using influence, you’d just run an exposure+Fever Strike set up

[wraith sinew]

Does this mean you’ll never run out of energy while firing pistols

[solar reef]

do note that if you’re having issues with influence builds, you can use shock trooper

[prime scarab]

I'm officially over the halfways mark on frames built to level cap

I have 25 left

[wraith sinew]

Yes I have my wrathful advance volt

[velvet pulsar]

Mesa herself can't directly shoot orbs by regulators because of targeting issue (unless u also have a nova in the squad who has casted her 4)

However if u put it on both regulators & regular pistol exilus, it double dips, so if u run out of energy, just shooting an energy orb by ur regular pistol will grant 80 energy per orb rather than 52 energy from singular Energizing Shot.

[chrome badge]

opinion on using influence syam on gyre instead

[solar reef]

i mean its one of the best melees in game regardless of who its on

[wraith sinew]

Does conductive sphere work on melee projectiles??

[velvet pulsar]

"lining up my shot, wait"

[chrome badge]

yeah

[wraith sinew]

Woah that’s actually peak

[wraith sinew]

Zenistar disk?

[solar reef]

the humble scyotid

[chrome badge]

should

[wraith sinew]

Ooh

[chrome badge]

ive tried it with vastilok most notably

[velvet pulsar]

Only if the disk is inside the sphere

[wraith sinew]

Ah shoot

I can’t aim with that thing

[velvet pulsar]

Coz the radial damage of disc is a dynamic damage

[wraith sinew]

Wait can I put the sphere over the disk?

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah u can

[wraith sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-energy-galaxy-gif-17739196

[velvet pulsar]

It doesn't have snapshot properties

It gets buffed dynamically

[chrome badge]

Azima:

[opal leaf]

Wait I'm lost... Huh?

[wraith sinew]

How can I get the stealth buff on the disk without wukong

[velvet pulsar]

Maybe because it wasn't always an option on Mesa...
I made a request on forum and DE agreed... partially.

They only enabled it for Titania & Mesa.

[velvet pulsar]

Ivara with Xata's Whisper

[wraith sinew]

I figured Ivara was the way to go

[solar reef]

blastfluence excal

[velvet pulsar]

Excal already has 2 melees

[wraith sinew]

I have wrathful advance on my umbra too

[velvet pulsar]

[solar reef]

swap to xatas 🤑

[wraith sinew]

Isn’t syam kinda just budget exalted blade

[wraith sinew]

I like my red numbers

[solar reef]

change your text color

[velvet pulsar]

Xata double dips stealth damage multiplier

[wraith sinew]

Holup…

https://tenor.com/view/gato-anotado-noted-noted-gato-noted-cat-gif-15232071836705052766

[velvet pulsar]

multiplies your already multiplicative damage

[solar reef]

every crit is a red crit if you play around with your settings already

[solar reef]

also gives you an excuse to use blast 🤑

[wraith sinew]

Arca titron on volt

[rain mica]

Where the hell is heat coming from

[wraith sinew]

?

[solar reef]

we cant tell you if you dont show us your build

[inner raptor]

chromatic?

[sly condor]

again im back to warframe after half a year or so but only now i realize that i have exactly 1 weapon for every slot, so one melee, pistor and rifle id like to use
looking for something exotic, something that maybe works only on certain warframes but is satifsying. all incarnons are meh, they all the same builds, yeah, theyre strong but whats the interest? i already have torid, laetum and ichores
so far i think scyotid and trumna are fun. any recommendations? also looking for exotic very specific
oriented for one type of content frame builds
please share!

[solar reef]

their chromatic is elec

[wraith sinew]

The uh archon weapons

[rain mica]

My chromatic is elec and I don't have heat mods in my exalted blade yet I am getting radiation

[solar reef]

odd

[wraith sinew]

It’s magic

[rain mica]

Bug? Or feature?

[solar reef]

tri umbral

tri umbral is dookie balls unless you’re running a persistence build

[sly condor]

actually all archon weapons are melees as i can see
...melees are boring, slap melee influence == autowin
wanna in primary or pistol

[rain mica]

My main complaint is that I don't have heat mods on my umbral blade, my umbra's chromatic is electric, yet I am getting radiation on my umbral blade

[solar reef]

yeah yeah I get that but you have other fish to fry

steel charge and arcane fury are also additive, and thus you eventually hit diminishing returns

[rain mica]

I mean it's excalibur umbra, they run tri umbral

[solar reef]

not without persistence

Armor+Health does nothing when enemies still just 2-3 shot you in basic steel path

[wraith sinew]

Have you tried kullervo

[rain mica]

Right that said IDK where I am getting heat damage

[inner raptor]

might be a long shot but is your attachment energy color red/orange/yellow?

[sly condor]

actually hes the last frame i dont have, duviri sucks

[solar reef]

to follow up on this, swapping arcane fury for arcane strike, and steel charge for corrosive projection will result in higher numbers

[rain mica]

I checked...yes

[solar reef]

so heat damage aside, this will improve your resulting dps by a bit

[undone dust]

can we swap our hands into each other

[inner raptor]

try turning it to blue

[solar reef]

try recoloring your emissive and see what changes

[wraith sinew]

Platinum…

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/peggle-peggle-dual-shot-haybombyt-huxp-bjorn-gif-6604729446789279395

[undone dust]

plinko!!

peggle

[solar reef]

just remember its faster to get him while running isleweaver than it is in actual duviri

[velvet pulsar]

Plinx

[rain mica]

not working

[undone dust]

death beam

[inner raptor]

how

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/peggle-mentioned-peggle-peggle-fever-peggle-caption-peggle-deluxe-gif-4626877355233347075

[velvet pulsar]

It wasn't Isleweaver

[undone dust]

https://tenor.com/view/peggle-pequannock-pegglestan-gif-7667518911409600688

[inner raptor]

isnt he locked to a certain spiral + orowyrm kill

[velvet pulsar]

We used to have another node in the same place where isleweaver now exists

[wraith sinew]

Why are we back to this

[sly condor]

hmm? will look into it
but kinda confused. i have oraxia, but dont remember having smth for him during oraxia farm

[solar reef]

the node was promised to rusalka thousands of years ago, all the way back in the common era

[solar reef]

its a joke

eveything is easier with isleweaver

[sly condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/844210701543538749.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=animeTriggered&lossless=true

[velvet pulsar]

The word I replied to sounded very similar to plinx

[wraith sinew]

We’ve come full circle

Oh I have another question

[undone dust]

no you dont

[solar reef]

oh you dont know peggle ball

[velvet pulsar]

Also because I sometimes imagine what would it feel like firing a Tenet Plinx alt fire in real life while aiming at the sun.

[wraith sinew]

Nataruk with xatas bubble?

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-peggle-puzz-mid-video-high-gif-553759000954454273

[velvet pulsar]

Doesn't have multi-hitting property

[wraith sinew]

Dang

Any other weapons that have similar effect to ricochet tetra?

[velvet pulsar]

The mag & xata bubble rabbit hole you're jumping into has several weird constraints if u aren't using breach surge

[solar reef]

Blood altar mag

[velvet pulsar]

The easiest answer is all bouncing projectiles.

[timber sparrow]

how much would a glaive riven go for

[velvet pulsar]

I prefer Well of Life

[wraith sinew]

Right breach surge does it for free

[solar reef]

infinite punch through weapons (aside from nataruk, dread inc)

[velvet pulsar]

A bit outdated, but might help:
https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Bounce

[solar reef]

Latron is the meta for her

[wraith sinew]

What is that

[velvet pulsar]

Infinite (body) punch through alone won't be sufficient for multi-hitting property

[wraith sinew]

That doesn’t seem that good ngl

[velvet pulsar]

Oh don't look at just the image

[timber sparrow]

:(

[velvet pulsar]

The wiki has list of bouncing projectiles

[solar reef]

my biggest problem with mag bubble is that it doesnt work with corufell

[prime scarab]

Does anyone have a Citrine build thats actually fun? The ninjase one is...not.

[wraith sinew]

But does it not only go on melees

[velvet pulsar]

DE has hardcoded projectiles by default to simply phase through enemies if punch through + bubble tries to hit the same enemy again

[solar reef]

corufell wont even stick in the bubble to begin with

[velvet pulsar]

Neither Exodia Contagion

[solar reef]

which is why i said that off the rip

[velvet pulsar]

Scroll

[solar reef]

corufell, despite infinite punch through, just doesnt work

but yeah, Latron is the way to go with Mag

[wraith sinew]

Ohh I’m stupid

Arca plasmor….

[solar reef]

before Latron i used a gas Tenet Plasmor for her

[wraith sinew]

Does it just hit the same target until the projectile dies

Wait trumna alt fire? Uhh

[velvet pulsar]

From what I've gathered so far:

1. All bouncing projectiles.
2. All projectiles with continuous damage field, like zenistar disc.

Felarx & Phenmor too for some reason.

[mighty flare]

Honestly probably for the best some weapons get to ignore her bubble, lets her manage enemies better

Stuff like nullifiers or acolytes

[solar reef]

wdym

makes sense

[velvet pulsar]

Sometimes there are so many bubbles that u wanna shoot something on an enemy not stuck inside the bubble

[wraith sinew]

Is the cedo a primer

[opal leaf]

Quite of a both

[solar reef]

but yeah i would still like to fire my multiCO staff of doom into the bubble and creat a ball of doom with it

[opal leaf]

A primer and a powerful shotgun

[velvet pulsar]

Can be primer, can be damage dealer

[opal leaf]

Lavos love that gun

[wraith sinew]

What level of priming do I need? I could use my nukor with the random status arcane, cedo, diriga, or voruna 2

Or get an epitaph

[mighty flare]

Priming for what

[opal leaf]

Woah.... What's up with a lot of priming hahahaba

[wraith sinew]

Melee co

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205760412507840572/1446988464624238723/togif.gif

[solar reef]

just use diriga or hound

[mighty flare]

Diriga or wf abilities

[solar reef]

voruna’s 2 🤑

[wraith sinew]

Hound..?

[opal leaf]

Just use Diriga, slot random elements (with Viral Heat as the main prio) and watxh them drown in shit ton of status

[limpid storm]

for akarius prime do i just build blast+corrosive?

[solar reef]

Sister Hounds

[wraith sinew]

I know but how do those prime

[limpid storm]

with some crit chance/multishot

[mighty flare]

Viral/Corrosive Heat

[limpid storm]

cascadia flare > enervate?

[mighty flare]

Depends on the setup actually, but you usually drop enervate with external crit

[velvet pulsar]

Akarius already has blast

[mighty flare]

Noncrit Akarius is already fine enough

[spice willow]

what is citrine good for? thinking about getting her or nekros

[solar reef]

same general idea as diriga

just over a wider area

[wraith sinew]

Yo

[opal leaf]

Damn I just disappeared hahaha I got skipped

[wraith sinew]

That’s peak

[opal leaf]

Eh anyways

[opal leaf]

Show him Diriga's Arc coil

[velvet pulsar]

Loki's 4 on a robo dog.
What a disrespect.

And DE calls 4 as "ultimate ability"

[solar reef]

it also primes with manifold

its damage decoy + his 4

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah I'm glad it deal even tiny dmg to proc manifold otherwise it'd end up like Aerial Bond

[solar reef]

but yeah, like diriga, you just slap these on and turn those other two precepts into status primers of every status

its just that hound covers a wider range

They have their pros and cons

[mighty flare]

Loki doesn’t even get real radiation

[velvet pulsar]

Hound also has "decoys" via either duplex or diversified mod (let's be honest, only duplex)

[solar reef]

I will only ever use Hounds for melee since they have survival issues
(in regular steel path you can just use the DR precept and thats enough)

Diriga is generally more convenient with its priming since it tends to prime right in front of you

versus a tile over on an enemy you didnt know existed

[plain sun]

I need a uriel build

[celest moss]

Does Arcane Persistence work on Kullervo?

[mighty flare]

yes

[celest moss]

Dub

[velvet pulsar]

Bud

[opal leaf]

Slap the basic build on him and you're good

Strength: Blind Rage and Intensify

Range: Overextended and Stretch (Alternative if you don't want to your damage be removed: Stretch and Augur Reach)

Efficiency: Flow and equilibriu

Duration: Continuity and Augur Message

[livid wadi]

How much could this even worth?

[dense peak]

whats a good titania build because the comments on ninjases build are pretty negative

[versed harbor]

which build?

[dense peak]

https://overframe.gg/build/215181/titania-prime/beguiling-butterfly-titania-dps-general-use/

[versed harbor]

this build is fine tbh half the comments dont know what theyre talking about

[dusky bane]

overframe comments are 99% idiots

[versed harbor]

like im seeing amalgam furax suggestions which doesnt even work

on her*

[quiet laurel]

wtf happened to overframe vro

60% of my screen is ads

[dense peak]

there aint even an ad there

[dusky bane]

ad block diff

[mighty flare]

ur ad block got low diffed

[quiet laurel]

dont even have an ad block active

but overframe usually was never this bad

[dusky bane]

you should

[mighty flare]

Enshittification

or idk, overframe just 1 guy

[prime scarab]

I know there are signature guns for various people but are there any fun guns that feel almost tailor mode for specific frames despite not being signatures?

Sobek for Saryn, Tenet Glaxion for Frost, stuff like that?

[fierce lark]

glaxion for frost

[prime scarab]

It is without question the single most enjoyable weapon I've played on him.

Tap 4 and then use Tenet Glaxion and everything dies while turning into energy orbs

[fierce lark]

if you like it on frost, you'll like it at least equally as much on anyone else with buffs

[prime scarab]

I do like it on other people but for him specifically it ties into a few other stuff in his kit and just really works super well

I run it on my Uriel and my Grendel too tho

[fierce lark]

the augment equates to 1 orb per 5 enemies on avg if you fully freeze everyone

[prime scarab]

Yeah and his 4 fully freezes everyone

[fierce lark]

it's more than nothing but it's not super impactful

[prime scarab]

Gotta disagree there, its very impactful.

[peak crown]

what i can change in this build?

[mighty flare]

if you dont have an augur mod on ur secondary, use one over streamline
corrosive projection or growing power are better auras overall

[peak crown]

i use 2 augur mods

[fierce lark]

the lazy gate setup doesn't seem necessary on excal but if it works it works

his 1 is very cheap, doesn't need a target and makes him invuln

if anything i'd drop one of those mods for rolling guard

[peak crown]

with this build i'm not dying already but idk i want more damage

here is most funny :p

[fierce lark]

you could lose recharge mods and add more str/rolling guard and rely on active gating

[fierce lark]

this would be ideal build for damage

if you don't want to run smite run 60 elec

or organ shatter/gladiator might if you dont have it

[peak crown]

why? like how it can be stronger if here no viral and magnetic?

[wicked vortex]

chat do yall think i have enough ability strength yet? XD

[chrome badge]

any suggestions for my mesa

[fierce lark]

when you're running influence setups, you just want absolute max elec weighting possible

[peak crown]

i can do something else expect influence?

[fierce lark]

elec mods buff the dot on elec, and the amount of procs per hit

[undone dust]

elec chromatic with viral blade isnt too bad, ran a cap with it and it was smooth nonetheless but blade is kind of goated no matter what

[fierce lark]

i mean if you don't want to do influence you don't have to, but it will be worse overall unless you're only using exalted blade for bosses

[old marsh]

eh

[peak crown]

what if i want use fire?

like with this it's will be fine? like fire magnetic viral and + this?

[mighty flare]

ready steel for ceramic dagger? ppg not needed on mesa as much, theres also examples here too: #1500489300754825367 message

[chrome badge]

Yeah how’d you know

[wicked vortex]

i personally like enervate more as an arcane but outburst looks like it'd be fun. idk how impactful the corrosive on the regulators is gonna be cuz of how low its status chance is, so you might wanna swap that out for more crit damage or something

[mighty flare]

dont do that

[wicked vortex]

okay

[old marsh]

fire rate

[chrome badge]

Yeah I’m still getting good status from the corrosive heat

[old marsh]

regulators go brrrrrrr

[wicked vortex]

oh yeah true the fire rate is really good on the regulators

[chrome badge]

Currently I get like 11x combo after some setup with ceramic dagger for 220% more crit chance, which is giving me instant red crits

[old marsh]

if u r going heat with hotshot, i would recommend using archon vitality.

[mighty flare]

dont do that either

😭

[chrome badge]

Yeah no

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-successful-another-another-successful-ragebait-black-gif-18435710051418180311

made meats cry

[chrome badge]

Also I have no real space to fit vitality

[mighty flare]

you do but not good for that

[old marsh]

not needed on mesa

[chrome badge]

I mean I came here mostly bc I’m having trouble with survivability

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-jojo-jjba-jojo's-bizarre-adventure-jojo's-gif-16434281531751342989

[chrome badge]

Got my ass beamed down doing Sp perita solo

All bc I didn’t have my 3 up for a second

[mighty flare]

theres tons of examples in the guide i linked you, i'd suggest you take a look on which you like most

[solar reef]

is outburst flat or additive

[chrome badge]

Aye aye

[solar reef]

i know its like the best option but i dont mesa like that

[mighty flare]

additive

[solar reef]

so is it just used over things like enervate for consistancy reasons

[chrome badge]

I also got 5 tau orange shards on her

[mighty flare]

mesa has 25% base crit chance and most builds do shards/hot shot/avenger

[solar reef]

yeah makes sense

[mighty flare]

so even if not outburst, you never go enervate

[old marsh]

enervate is certainy a choice on mesa

[solar reef]

as i said

[chrome badge]

A wrong choice

[mighty flare]

enervate is like, you genuinely have nothing to buff her crit

[old marsh]

but fort is straight up better in SP

[chrome badge]

No

[old marsh]

coz eximus just dies instantly

[mighty flare]

no

[wicked vortex]

huh, i didn't realize enervate was bad on mesa, i guess i don't play her enough

[old marsh]

like everything else

[chrome badge]

Eximus die instantly regardless

[wicked vortex]

why is enervate bad on her?

[old marsh]

but u get free overguard

[mighty flare]

high base crit chance and access to lots of external crit boosters

[solar reef]

she has so many sources of additive crit available to her it doesnt batter

[west radish]

are there any downsides for high -slash in riven?

[old marsh]

thats his issue with survivability

[solar reef]

decrease in raw damage

[old marsh]

i am recommending it. whats the issue

[west radish]

at what %

[mighty flare]

usually nothing, depends on the weapon

[old marsh]

so fortifier works for him

[west radish]

-144% slash ocucor

[wicked vortex]

noted, thanks for teaching me 🙂‍↕️

[solar reef]

oh yeah you’re fine

[chrome badge]

Uhhhhhh yeah only briefly tho

[west radish]

so slash only bad for melee?

[mighty flare]

ocucor doesn't have slash damage

[mighty flare]

no

[west radish]

oh so for weapons with slash dmg

[old marsh]

u said u had issues with survivability. so whats the issue with using fortifier

[west radish]

built in i get it

[mighty flare]

sorta

[mighty flare]

take look at: https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1500489300754825367
if ya ever wanna learn bit more

[west radish]

would it be bad for nataruk with -150% slash?

[solar reef]

also, for some slash oriented melees you still opt for -slash

[chrome badge]

The issue is with how specific and temporary of a patch it is

[solar reef]

weapons such as nami solo for example, when you want to use influence

[wicked vortex]

:D thanks again!

[west radish]

less slash more elec

[chrome badge]

I won’t get too much overguard and whatever overguard I get would get shredded bc iirc overguard isn’t protected by her 3

[solar reef]

exactly

[west radish]

cool cool ty

[random oasis]

hey , i wanted to get octavia prime and i also bought her but a lot of ppl say she causes burn out and i dont wanna leave warframe should i just sell her back

[mighty flare]

not really no

[random oasis]

plus i dont really like the passive afk style sincei love protea

[solar reef]

craft her anyways

yeah shes boring but thats only if you optimize her (metronome crouch spam snooze)

[wicked vortex]

best way to avoid burnout is to always try out new builds/frames, so having more options for builds helps you stay active imo

[random oasis]

i think i wanna replace her with harrow

heard a lot of good stuff from him

[solar reef]

god i love harrow

[random oasis]

ok thx for that

[solar reef]

hes so simple for my stupid chud self mind

[random oasis]

all i needed to hear

[wicked vortex]

i didn't play with harrow enough to form an attachment before feeding him to the helminth, i would like to get harrow prime though so i can look respectfully at lyon's midriff

i have heard harrow puts out very good crits though

speaking of crits

[random oasis]

dayuum

[solar reef]

hes probably my second favorite warframe

evade harrow is pretty boring but i still love using it

[wicked vortex]

do yall think i need both critical mutation and secondary enervate on my coda catabolyst? idk if critical mutation is flat or additive (other modifications to the build are welcome, i am torn between primed quickdraw vs hollow point, as well as primed heated charge vs primed convulsion)

[old marsh]

not if u r using condition overload

more status types, more dmg. that is if they dont die right away

which depends on the level of the enemy and whether u have armor stripped them

[west radish]

which one for volt eso nuke with roar as a subsume

[mighty flare]

umbral

[west radish]

goat

roar on 3rd ability tho

instead of shields

so i pop roar and then nuke with 4th does it even work? xD

[solar reef]

at base steel path sure

[fierce lark]

mutation is additive, you probably still want enervate

all sources of crit damage are relatively low value due to augment, hollow point in particular here is pretty terrible and you rly want lethal torrent somewhere

[wicked vortex]

do you think i should swap target cracker with lethal torrent?

i swapped hollow point with primed quickdraw

[craggy niche]

FROM experience is it worth going with five topaz on mesa? i don't have hotshot but she seems to do mostly oranges with just combat discipline and avenger

[old marsh]

U want both

But in general u want as much MS on beam weapons as possible

[old marsh]

1 for parkour speed if using Mesa’s Waltz. Rest is all upto u. 4 orange works

[fierce lark]

you definitely want lethal torrent, idk about quickdraw but on catab it sounds like a neat cook

[craggy niche]

I love the waltz cuz mesa genuinely doesnt care about anything strength related 🤣 . She's lowkey super flexible as far as mods go

[wicked vortex]

alright, thank you :D

[craggy niche]

Can't wait for her thirsty skin to come out so she's all people ask about in here for 13 days

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-evil-chihuahua-twt-memes-dog-gif-2124557923355771903

[novel bear]

At least she’s good
Unlike ember

[old marsh]

People have been asking here for like a month now. Nice to see more Mesa enjoyers

[novel bear]

Can’t wait for people to argue that enervate and encumber are good options on her again

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[fierce lark]

i dont understand why people try to force enervate on stupid guns

[old marsh]

fAstEr rAmp Up

[wide burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/you-monster-chip-chip-n-dale-rescue-rangers-evil-bad-gif-25547722

[solar reef]

but but but it made nukor good

https://tenor.com/view/flight-peggle-puzz-mid-video-high-gif-553759000954454273

[old marsh]

Eh. Ember can go to lvl cap with weapons so it’s fine. But gotta agree, she needs a rework. More players will play her. Her play rate is at an all time low

not asking Hildryn or Valkyr level busted but something to liven her up

[fierce lark]

ember being bad isn't even because ember is bad

it's because heat inherit is broken

you can't use ember's kit because it nerfs your gun lmao

[dull laurel]

What's a good single target status weapon for nezha to use

[solar reef]

heat inherent is so GOATed
but when its bad, it is bad

its so tragic

[novel bear]

Fireball frenzy would be great for heat builds
If ember didn’t nerf heat builds in the process of surviving

[old marsh]

Also increase the combo timer on her fireball. Plz & Ty

[craggy niche]

hild;ryn at least balanced out by being kinda sketch for upkeep later in levels. she still pretty grossly overtuned imo lol half the time if i see a hildryn join i just leave cuz it's annoying

[fierce lark]

i guess, i haven't actually tried to use ember's abilities yet lmao

i did try playing the 4 augment at first but it felt clunky (and heat un-inherit makes it unusable anyways)

[old marsh]

She is worse than Revenant

[dark harbor]

can verglas weapon go to 50% without riven?

[old marsh]

No

[dark harbor]

damn son

we cooked

[fierce lark]

that be why verglas rivens are expensive

[craggy niche]

nothing should be able to nuke a 48m wide radius at a range lmfaooo

[dark harbor]

so doesn't the galvanized mod hit on the head?

[craggy niche]

not radius, diameter

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

Crosshairs right?

[solar reef]

tldr use burst laser prime instead

[dark harbor]

yeah

[fierce lark]

companions never "aim", so scope/sight type mods don't work period

[craggy niche]

tazi supremecy

still a legit pain in the diiiii to get tho

[dark harbor]

saddddd

[solar reef]

i prefer helstrum

[fierce lark]

if you want 50% for tenacious on a sentinel, your options are laser rifle/prime, burst laser prime or prisma burst laser

(or verglas with a crit chance riven)

[dark harbor]

nah i got money

[craggy niche]

speaking of prisma is my boy baro on the block today

[novel bear]

If you’re doing manifold bond, use laser rifle

Then if you put corrocold you can also use shivering contagion

[fierce lark]

baro is later this week

[dark harbor]

does it work galvaniced aptitude and chamber on verglas?

[craggy niche]

SO with topaz does each one of them proc a stack when you proc it effectively giving your 5 perc per stack or do each have to be individually stacked

like is it killiing 50 enemies to fully proc the effect or 250

[craggy niche]

Fortifier is the clear choice

[fierce lark]

if both you and your companion have the exact same galvanized mod equipped, your companion can't gain stacks but they will benefit from your stacks

so if you stack up aptitude/chamber, your companion's weapon will get the extra damage and multishot if it has the same mods equipped

[craggy niche]

this shit is so aggresively mid looking but soo laxidazial to play lmao

[dark harbor]

peak

[craggy niche]

edta has been paying off lol

[nova swift]

Yea mesa is a lot of fun

How I play when I dont run waltz, probably one of my favourite play styles

[solar reef]

ok now jump like this in an infested tileset

https://tenor.com/view/gambling-gif-11828345172665766158

[nova swift]

Sure? I don't see the issue?

[solar reef]

this was mostly a joke but like
you dont see the problem with vertical oriented gameplay in tile sets that are super enclosed/dont give you space to move vertically?

[nova swift]

well you bullet jump towards the group/into the area with the best vision cone

so that is sometimes vertical, sometimes horizontal and sometimes diagonal

[solar reef]

yeah but ultimately on these dookie ass tiles enemies will always be behind something that disrupts los

[nova swift]

true, los is always an issue with weapons that do not ignore los

[solar reef]

i was just making a joke about dog ass infested tiles but yeah

its a slight issue

[glass moon]

whats the best light attack spam melee

[old marsh]

nami solo incarnon

[glass moon]

damn

anything non incarnon or whatever thats better than the praedos

nami solo stil 4 weeks away lol

[nova swift]

non incarnon huh, thats gonna be rough for light attack spam, cause two other picks were okina prime incarnon and dual ichor incarnon

[glass moon]

damn

😭

all the cool melees are incarnons

[nova swift]

dual viciss? Orthos prime? maybe dorrclave? I have to admit im not sure

[undone dust]

viciss isnt too bad

[nova swift]

cool melees that are not incarnon usually tend to have some gimmick that seperates them from light attack spam

like a nikana zaw /w contagion, or syam's heavy attack waves

[frozen grail]

Opinions on the kuva drakgoon? Im debating giving it a shot and throwing a potato on it but was unsure, I heard its pretty good with mirage
I have also heard its absolutely horrible

[craggy niche]

wait who was smoking what when theey did the soma incarnon lmao

reduces it to 10 percent base crit???

[nova swift]

its....okay? The weapon's mechanics are fun and the unique exilus mod is nice. Somewhat decent on mag for her bubbles for the same reason as the exergis

not like a strong contender or a room sweeper, just fun and effective enough with a gun platform

[frozen grail]

Ah seems more like a only situationally good weapon tragic
Im tryna find underrated weapons that are actually pretty good as im bored of using the tenet glax, the zaraman weapons and such

[nova swift]

I like it on mirage for the same reason I like the tenet tetra on mirage, to spam the entire corridor with bullets

[prime scarab]

Ash, Baruuk, Caliban, Chroma, Dagath, Equinox, Harrow, Hydroid, Khora, Koumei, Limbo, Loki, Mag, Nezha, Nidus, Protea, Qorvex, Revenant, Saryn, Styanax, Trinity, Xaku

I'm down to only these frames as ones I've yet to experience. Does anyone have any strong feelings about the remaining ones? Any standouts if my favorites are Frost, Grendel, Vauban, and Follie?

[frozen grail]

prime or non prime?

[prime scarab]

Yes

If the prime is available I'll generally do that unless its an easy one like Ember where I picked up the regular and didn't like her enough to pick up the prime.

[frozen grail]

grendel normal is good to get for the subsume alone, nourish is bonkers
as for primes honestly ur best bet is to go for whatever u like the theme of the most (or is least expensive)
of the ones u specifically mentioned i like frost a good amount, crit machine with team overguard generation

[prime scarab]

Oh no, to clarify here....the list I provided is the list of ones I haven't played yet

And I'm looking for opinions on who to play from that list

The second four are my favorites that I HAVE played

[craggy niche]

my favorite warframe ever is dual aug gyre

[glass moon]

try protea

[prime scarab]

See, I just couldn't stay engaged with Gyre. It felt like I had to babysit my cooldowns a little too much for me to enjoy her.

[craggy niche]

she's so fun lol. weapons plat form, check, area control, check, sick animations and easy upkeep, check

[frozen grail]

ahh i see, well im biased asf so chroma since hes my favorite frame, though hes high investment his vex armor is bonkers for heavy detonation glaives

i 2nd gyre, such a fun frame

[glass moon]

works like vauban in the sense that you place shit down and kill everything

[prime scarab]

I get her kit and I see why she's popular I just don't think she's for me

[craggy niche]

play harder content lol. i literally press 3 and 4 and forget it exists for the rest of the match

[prime scarab]

I took her to level cap but I'm not playing level cap often enough for her to stay in my rotation

Plus if I want electric stuff I play Volt

I prefer a frame where I know the ability I want is just always gonna be available instead of having to worry about a long cooldown if something goes wrong

[craggy niche]

i personally don't like her all that much for cap. Pretty much exclusively play danse rev on the off chance i do go to cap. too much shiii to do to be wasting all that time. but yeah cathode grace and her 4 going down is pretty much a you problem, that shit's one of the easiest uptime skills in the game. part of the draw to the kit tbh

[prime scarab]

I ran a match with a Protea earlier that was just wrecking everyone and I was admittedly surprised to see her putting out so many kills

[prime scarab]

It isn't about it being hard, its about having to even think about it as an extra layer of game management.

People have gameplay preferences.

[frozen grail]

got any recommended underrated weapons that are good? ive enjoyed my time using the tenet glax, latron, sporothrix, and laetum, for example but im looking to branch out a bit, ive tried out the stahlta for a bit and i like the primary fire but im not a huge fan of how the alt fire feels despite how good it is lol

some that have been on my radar but i havent really looked into a ton or heard mixed things on are the boltor, ambassador, kuva karak, and the gammacor or ig most of the incarnon weapons outside the more common ones
any recommendations are welcome

[prime scarab]

I don't see the Acceltra as much as I should anymore

[craggy niche]

and that's fine, but saying it's a layer of management is just absurd lol. if you are killing things it's up, and if it falls, you should have already been killing things long enough for there to be no cooldown 🤷 kinda just makes it seem like you don't actually know much about her kit at all

[prime scarab]

You're being weirdly combative about me stating a gameplay preference, dude

I get she's your fave but you have got to chill

[craggy niche]

i'm not, i'm just disagreeing with you tryna state as a fact that she has hard upkeep or that it's even something for a person to worry about in general lol. she's one of the easiest frames to upkeep a cc on

[prime scarab]

Okay bud. You have fun with that.

[craggy niche]

you're pretty sensitive if you think calling out bad takes is being combatitive lol. this is a build discussion channel, usually if someone has a bad take people point it out so newbs don't get led astray. but yeah, you do you boo, sorry for attacking you or whatever you feel like discussing builds objectively is lol

[prime scarab]

Okay bud

[frozen grail]

i mean... gyres cooldowns should not need to be managed in sp content especially if ur running ur standard sp relic void cascade so i can see where hes coming from with saying the cooldown thing is a weird thing to have an issue with, i can see what u mean tho as especially at the start getting it going can be sometimes intense

[prime scarab]

It simply isn't serious enough for big man to have this level of feelings about it so I'm not meaningfully engaging with him

[craggy niche]

bro simmer down lol. Youve been strawmanning ever since someone disagreed with you

[prime scarab]

Yeah, thats what happened

[craggy niche]

literal toddler behavior

[frozen grail]

how bout we just agree to disagree and move on

[prime scarab]

That is literally what I have done

Dude is crashing out

[craggy niche]

Pointing out that you're objectively wrong is not crashing out. You got up in your feelings and started insulting me as a person rather than discussing things objectively. That my friend, is the definition of crashing out. lol

[prime scarab]

Okay bud

[fierce lark]

gyre has a significant power budget shoved into her 1, which is annoying to say the very least

[prime scarab]

She's a good frame, for sure. Just not for me.

[fierce lark]

3 and 4 are fire and forget sure, 1 is not

and 1 is where pretty much all of her ability damage comes from for nuke builds and is a large buff for weapon focused builds

[prime scarab]

I wanted to like her more because her fashion is exceptional but thats life

[fierce lark]

the 10s base duration on balls and having to be stationary is uh

an acquired taste

[prime scarab]

I picked up Yareli as my first prime ever as fashion too and never ended up playing her past 30

[nova swift]

kunai incarnon for a really good but somewhat unknown boss killer

[craggy niche]

I've always found one and 2 being power hungry is perfectly acceptable because the 3 and 4 basically never needs recast. i run her with no external sources of energy and she does perfectly fine. no equil, no flow, no energize

[prime scarab]

I do need to go back and give Yareli a try with the augs though

[fierce lark]

kunai would be cool if the only good final evo wasn’t “swap from your primary every 4s”

[nova swift]

Do you want hybrid, gun platform, caster? A more spammy playstyle or more passive?

[fierce lark]

well gyre’s 2 is a meme ability that gets subsumed on any serious build

[nova swift]

if you dislike keeping up the buffs then chroma is out too

[craggy niche]

well yeah, 2 is pillage. that kinda goes without saying

[fierce lark]

if you actually want ability damage gyre you replace the ronaldinho saucer ball with pillage and go full raiden

[prime scarab]

Yknow, I'm pretty open to leaning into anything these days. I don't really like Dante having to use abilities in a certain order, for example, and I do prefer a frame where their abilities are active in the fight, but I'm pretty open otherwise. Just what people have had fun with since I'm on the back half now.

Worst case scenario is I get them to 30, forma once for fashion, and then don't play them again

[frozen grail]

big fan of pillage gyre

[craggy niche]

yeee it's pretty much the fix to her kti

armor strip and shield gating wrapped up in one

[frozen grail]

lets u dump all the survivability related mods too so u can juice her even more

[fierce lark]

xata/roar better for weapon setups as it always is, but pillage is good when you need to armor strip for the ball nuke

[frozen grail]

i may try out xata/roar on her actually as i havent really used much aside from pillage lol, is there one you tend to prefer?

[craggy niche]

i also run pillage over her 1 sometimes and run aug for the ball. running roar is kinda dumb on her imo cuz she already gets a ton of weapon damage from that aug for her 1 and her 3/4 need strip

[nova swift]

Personally, I like a melee dagath, ash with WA and gas is really fun and good in perita, Trinity is a surprisingly comfy gun runner specially with a self harm weapon like the hema, Protea would suit you based on vauban/follie, Koumei has some crazy interactions but you need either a phd or 2 days in simulacrum to figure them out (or play a null star spam build)

Harrow, especially with evade is nice if you play solo a lot

[peak crown]

why the hell i have heat damage?!

[craggy niche]

last thing gyre needs is more weapon damage lol she's quite profecient in that category especially with the aug

[prime scarab]

Thats the second protea suggestion, so I think she'll be next for me. Trinity I have most of the parts for already too se I think I'll do her next. Thanks!

[fierce lark]

i just run roar on mine for the usual reasons

[dark harbor]

does arcane hot shot crit with nova null star?

[nova swift]

nope, it does with avenger but not with hot shot

[fierce lark]

xata's is also great, you do an unholy amount of electricity damage shooting through balls (the guaranteed dots unfortunately aren't buffed by the str on 1)

[dark harbor]

ah ok bcs i was on a match and there was a guy saying he was playing nova with that

and i was like idk for what reason he did that

[prime scarab]

Chromatic Blade

[peak crown]

from chromatic i should have electro rn

like on standart one

[nova swift]

so, not only chroma's ice elemental armor gives you overguard because of secondary fortifier applying, Mesa's shatter shield does it too

[craggy niche]

i've personally tried xata's and roar quite a bit on here and just found it to be lacking with the sacrifices made to not having pillage on her lol. it just fixes too much of her kit to sub imo. i've seen people make do with circumvent but circumvent shenadigans are weird as hell lol

[dark harbor]

with this i can finally let ordis do all the work

[nova swift]

oh so hot shot is still a decent pick on nova because you can stack hot shot super easily on her. So you dont use null stars for the damage but to buff your weapons with hot shot

[dark harbor]

ahhh so that's why he was using glaive

[prime scarab]

There is a common bug where it shows elec regardless of color selection. If you change it to a bright blue color, instead of the channels it is now, does it get rid of the heat?

[dark harbor]

it makes kinda sense now

[craggy niche]

someone was pointing out a few months ago that i wanna say gausses little bolts and something with kuemei procs it too lmao

[peak crown]

i tried already

[nova swift]

koumei procs it on a ton of things, its kinda insane

[peak crown]

only after reboot it fixed

[prime scarab]

Huh. Weird.

[nova swift]

fireballs, toxin aoe on headshots, any extra hit with influence active

[peak crown]

damn i hate this game this game is shit cause too many bugs and hell how i can spawn energy orbs in this game

almost everytime i die cause i have no energy

[craggy niche]

well that's no way to look at a challenge

[peak crown]

i can change blind rage but without it where i will get damage?

[craggy niche]

there are plenty of ways to generate energy

just gotta ask the right questions

[dark harbor]

i was running this and the nova was confused how i was doing more damage and like in fact was the companion doing all the work XD

[peak crown]

without archon shards

cause WHY HELMINTH ON 3 RANK DEIMOS?

[craggy niche]

archon shards almost never help with energy, there's one instance i can think of, 3 violets make a equil mod lol

[peak crown]

in this standart excal build i have huge problems with energy

butt instead of intesify i was use blind rage of course

[craggy niche]

i don't know excal tbh

[peak crown]

who knows him?

[prime scarab]

Ballas probably

[dark harbor]

bro your pc is gonna explode XD

[peak crown]

i rly starting hate this game cause it's fcin shit

[craggy niche]

your standard version of energy stacking would be equilibrium then synth deconstruct on the sentinels

[peak crown]

cause everyone says "there's no energy problem" then WHY I HAVE PROBLEMS WTITH ENERGY

[peak crown]

you are lier damn it cause i use fcin equilibrium and synth decon but it's DOESN'T WORK

cause pet every time dies

[nova swift]

lategame you can also run electric chromatic blade with the +radiation damage mod + universal fallout on excal

another option is to use brightbonnets as your umbra clone also places them, giving you 4 mushrooms

[prime scarab]

dude me and zerker was just beefing and I didn't talk to him like that

what are we doing here

[livid wadi]

Use arcane bodyguard if that's happening

[peak crown]

i already tired of this shit cause everyone says "there's no problems with energy" but then why the hell i always can't use skills cause 0 energyu

[nova swift]

actually check agall on youtube, hes a melee only excalibur one trick

[livid wadi]

@peak crown get chromatic blade asap.

[peak crown]

i use it already damn

[craggy niche]

there's options for that too. This is a very complex game, coming here and askin the right questions will net you bettter results than coming here to crash out lol

[peak crown]

what is this you think?

[livid wadi]

What's your energy source?

[peak crown]

THERE'S NO FCIN SOURCES

[prime scarab]

Right that is the point

[livid wadi]

That's great

[prime scarab]

That is literally what is being pointed out to you right now

[peak crown]

I fcin askin about energy sources in 5 DAMN DISCORD SERVERS but EVERYONE SAYS SHIT LIKE "oh i have no problem with energy"

[livid wadi]

I use equilibrium on Kullervo and I'm always 450 spamming abilities

[peak crown]

i use equilibrium on excal

[prime scarab]

Yknow after 5 discord servers you might consider maybe the problem is not the people answering your question

[spiral chasm]

skill issue git gud

[peak crown]

and i always have 0 energy

[craggy niche]

i don't excal but isn't there a correlation between chromatic and archon stretch?

[fierce lark]

90% of people are just perma using equilibrium with synth deconstruct on their companion and energy is just everywhere

[livid wadi]

Exalted blades activates archon mods if I'm not wrong

[nova swift]

get a panzer vulpaphyla, spreads viral spores everywhere that spread and helps with synth deconstruct, even when its dead the spores keep spreading. If you cant manage that Voruna's helminth ability gives you hp orbs on kills, giving you energy /w equilibrium