builds-discussion

[old marsh]

At level r u dying? 3000? Coz I have had that issue as well

[peak crown]

mushroom bounty

i just dont know how this build works

how to live with it xD

[solar reef]

so read what things do

[limpid talon]

what is stripping you of your shield?

[solar reef]

persistence

[brittle sleet]

Running Persistence, I'd recommend slotting Hunter's Adrenaline/Rage and dropping Equilibrium and Streamline

[peak crown]

and dog build

[brittle sleet]

What's your subsume and your exalted blade setup?

[peak crown]

subsume what is this? and exalted this

[brittle sleet]

Do you not have Helminth unlocked to put new abilities onto your frame?

[peak crown]

yeap

[brittle sleet]

Your biggest problem is you don't have healing to support doing Persistence

[limpid talon]

hmmm, only thing i can think of is maxing your persistance, itll increase your damage attenuation, other than that not too sure

[old marsh]

Drop persistence & blind rage. Use circumvent or aegis & transient fortitude. Keep spamming his 1. That 44% extra STR isn’t that bad.

[brittle sleet]

Unless you're using a frame who can be invincible a lot of the time you need to have either HP or shield regen in order to get survivability in most situations

[solar reef]

i think its mostly just a skill issue/them not using their kit effectively

[peak crown]

tried already

[solar reef]

excal can do this

[dull laurel]

anyone have thoughts before i forma?

[old marsh]

Then u need a healing method. Try Omamori

[peak crown]

omamori?

[limpid talon]

well the difference between r3 and r5 persistance is 100damage/s, but yeah, id still rather have shieldgating instead

[old marsh]

Subsume. Koumei

[brittle sleet]

Excalibur can be invincible a decent amount of the time with Slash Dash but it's not really enough to substitute for having some kind of regen also in the build

[solar reef]

i agree

[peak crown]

i have no helminth

[brittle sleet]

You gotta work on the Helminth to make the most of Excalibur

[old marsh]

Alright. Mushroom bounty on steel path or star chart?

[limpid talon]

now on a frame with healing, i might be able to see a case for persistance, but the only frames id really try that on dont have shields to begin with

[brittle sleet]

Without using Helminth, Life Strike on your Exalted Blade can help make Persistence work

[peak crown]

i was trying to do mushroom bounty

[brittle sleet]

Speaking as someone who uses persistence Excalibur, it's cope to make the best of not getting rid of his Umbral polarities

[peak crown]

this?

[brittle sleet]

But you can be pretty effective coping with it

[solar reef]

finally someone whos honest about it

[peak crown]

i ready to play standart excal

[brittle sleet]

Yes that, you need HP regen to deal with the amount of damage that Persistence lets you take

[solar reef]

if you arent using umbra dont use persistence

thats the ONLY reason to use persistence excal

[peak crown]

i play both

[solar reef]

just gate with regular excal

[brittle sleet]

Using standard Excalibur to build up the resources to kit out a Persistence Excalibur Umbra is a pretty reasonable way to go about it

[peak crown]

this?

[brittle sleet]

Just see how many Augur mods you have, or Catalyzing Shields, or Brief Respite

Those all help a lot with him being survivable

[solar reef]

you dont need steelcharge and fury

[brittle sleet]

Yeaaaaaaa that boy should be pretty survivable

[solar reef]

those are both additive sources of damage

[old marsh]

Ok. Then it means u r on star chart. That’s why u r not getting many eximus to steal overguard. I honestly can’t think why your Excal is dying in star chart. He has hp and armor to easily survive that content

[solar reef]

you’re just reaching diminishing returns

[brittle sleet]

Steel Charge is needed for the capacity not the melee damage boost

[peak crown]

?

[brittle sleet]

But they should be using the attack speed arcane instead for sure

Way better DPS boost

[solar reef]

you’ll see much more damage using something like corrosive projection and either strike or augmented for the arcane

nvm not augmented because no javelin

use strike

[peak crown]

i can build up volt prime but i prefer excal (+ idk how to play him)

[peak crown]

i have this aug but i need energy on excal

[solar reef]

you shouldnt have energy issues unless you’re brainlessly spamming abilities

[peak crown]

where u see fury?

[solar reef]

arcane fury

[peak crown]

and i want steel charge cause i wan melee damage cause i mosly want to play through 4-th skill and just hold E

[solar reef]

thats just additive damage

[solar reef]

.

read that

[limpid talon]

know what i think would be funny, exalted rivens, for the exalted weapons on the various warframes

[peak crown]

idk what is this all

[solar reef]

foul and feral

[solar reef]

using both fury and steel charge is just brainlessly throwing additive melee damage onto your build. You’re reaching diminishing returns

[brittle sleet]

If this is how you play, then you wanna build up your Persistence Excalibur Umbra shenanigans, because it's a lot better at doing that. Shieldgating builds abuse Slash Dash a lot

[solar reef]

you’ll get more numerical value by swapping Steel Charge for Corrosive Projection (-18% enemy armor)

[peak crown]

it's all my aura's

[solar reef]

And swap Arcane Fury for Arcane Strike

[peak crown]

but idk what to do with umbra

[brittle sleet]

Again they need the mod capacity that Steel Charge is giving them, as-is, but a single forma would fix that

[peak crown]

where get heal

[brittle sleet]

Ideally you'd probably have Brief Respite on regular Excalibur as the aura

[solar reef]

no need

They have augur + 3 passive shield gate sources + cata shields

they have augur in their secondary

[peak crown]

this?

but where i will get damage i will change aura and this arcane?

[brittle sleet]

I think Persistence Umbra works best with Gloom but Life Strike is also viable especially since the heavy attack on Exalted Blade gets multiplicative damage from Condition Overload

[solar reef]

do you not have damage modded on your exalted blade?

[brittle sleet]

I mean since Augur mods can be outdone by other mods on Excalibur, assuming an ideal build, afaik

[solar reef]

they also have cata

[brittle sleet]

But you are right they shouldn't be needing it on their build as-is

[peak crown]

i just still have no helminth so idk where to get heal

[solar reef]

an augur mod is more than enough

[peak crown]

not enough i think

[solar reef]

For the third time, you do not need more additive damage.

[brittle sleet]

Life Strike

[solar reef]

You just reach diminishing returns

https://overframe.gg/build/390077/excalibur/the-thunderous-blade-excalibur-slash-dash-exalted-blade-influence-nuke-updated-2025/

Read this carefully

[brittle sleet]

Oh I do stand corrected on either Augurs or Brief Respite being necessary

Makes sense with Slash Dash in the mix though

[solar reef]

even then cata shields warrants augur

[peak crown]

what about this arcane? (umbra)

[limpid talon]

one recommendation i would make, boosting sacrificial steel, that alone will get you a ton more damage

[brittle sleet]

Reaper is VERY ineffective

Outside of low level content

[solar reef]

not enough health

[brittle sleet]

If you're in content where Reaper helps, then Arcane Persistence is useless

[solar reef]

24/s at max rank

thats scraps

[quartz tartan]

What about the case where I'm using it for armor to boost max energy?

[solar reef]

why are we using arcane battery

ts is NOT the move

[limpid talon]

ive never known excalibur to be very energy intensive

[quartz tartan]

Because I'm using Frost's 4 for more overguard

[brittle sleet]

Then you're not fitting 3 arcanes all at once

And there's better armor-generating arcanes

Frost definitely does not need Reaper to support his Battery

[limpid talon]

my go to for overgaurd is and will likely always be secondary fortifier

[quartz tartan]

Yeah it's been inconsistent, but I'm not entirely sure what else too boost armor with

[solar reef]

just dont use the augment for overguard and cata gate instead

[brittle sleet]

It's a good go-to but the frame you play decides what defenses you need

[peak crown]

then where else i can get heal expect helminth?

[solar reef]

life strike

[brittle sleet]

tbh as Frost you just use your passive to boost armor for the most part

[peak crown]

is this enough?

[granite ginkgo]

who dare to ping me

too lazy to scroll up

[brittle sleet]

Yes Life Strike is enough I kept mentioning for a reason

[solar reef]

why wouldnt it be

[quartz tartan]

It's support, gives everyone Overguard.

[brittle sleet]

You got pinged ages ago bro go check your notifs

[solar reef]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/788587329240563755/1180131086391590952/caption.gif

your allies can sustain themselves screw them

[brittle sleet]

Frost afaik should always be using Ice Storm and Battery for arcanes

[peak crown]

well i will try

[quartz tartan]

I don't trust them

[solar reef]

so play solo

[brittle sleet]

Maybe drop Battery and do Truculence for viral shenanigans

[limpid talon]

also something id do if possible is level up sacrificial steel, and see about fitting organ shatter in, will do a ton for damage output

[brittle sleet]

But those are Frost's go-tos

[peak crown]

just tried to leave from start room xD

[granite ginkgo]

use /unstuck command

[peak crown]

i can't even use strong attack for heal

[limpid talon]

why?

[peak crown]

too slow

even with tennokai

i can't do anything with this build

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/gabagool-shon-son-im-crine-james-gandolfini-sopranos-gif-5632752440652965130

it sounds like excalibur isnt the frame for you

[peak crown]

but i want play his 4-th skill and just press melee attack

but still i getting oneshots everytime

[limpid talon]

i could probably throw together a build that should in theory work, but yeah, idk atp

[quartz tartan]

Protective sling yourself the entire mission

[solar reef]

this is all just a huge skill issue

learn valkyr instead shes way more brain dead for hack and slash

[peak crown]

i tried also volt (cause he also can play with melee weapon) but with him i have huge problems with energy

[solar reef]

melee volt is super energy efficient

[quartz tartan]

Anyone remember when Unairu made everyone around invisible....

[limpid talon]

valkyrs not as braindead as she used to be, not since they reworked her

[peak crown]

huh?

[solar reef]

you should NOT have energy issues with platform volt

[quartz tartan]

Doesn't she have a death gate that builds with melee?

[solar reef]

you just hold cast his 1, then his 2, and spam melee cor 30ish seconds, then repeat

[brittle sleet]

Again you don't have the best tools to do that with yet

[peak crown]

i tried this build and i have a lott problems with energy

[brittle sleet]

Gloom subsume is the #1 enabling tool for thoughtless melee spam Excalibur

[solar reef]

so stop spam casting

[peak crown]

so if i want play it i should get helminth?

[solar reef]

the only way you should jave energy issues is if you mindlessly spam cast

[peak crown]

ok where then i will get shields to not die?

[quartz tartan]

Yeah, if you wanna spam cast, you want Oberon, the Goat

[brittle sleet]

Killing enemies faster also helps with not dying

[solar reef]

ive been level capping him all day

hes so chill to play

[limpid talon]

long as your shields get a chance to start recharging youll gate

[brittle sleet]

I have not played Oberon since his rework nor have I found the motivation to

Give that man better skins

[peak crown]

like as i heard in this build i must use 4-th skill when my shield is broken

[quartz tartan]

Do you do smites for 100% hp damage, or just Reckoning everyone?

[peak crown]

every 12 seconds i use second skill + every 40 second first skill

[brittle sleet]

No you use 1st

[peak crown]

but energy cost is too huge

[limpid talon]

as far as shield stuff goes hildryn might be an option but a big part of most warframes is knowing exactly what they do and how to use them, along with building them right

[peak crown]

huh?

[brittle sleet]

You use your 1, Slash Dash, when your shield breaks

[solar reef]

this is volt

[brittle sleet]

Oh oops let me actually pay attention to convo flow

[peak crown]

slash dash

[solar reef]

and yeah even with capacitance gate you shouldnt have issues its a dot based gate

[peak crown]

on volt

[brittle sleet]

Volt has so many abilities that work for his shield gating

[quartz tartan]

Brb creating VoltCalibur. Lemme just revise the Zanuka Project.

[solar reef]

i say again, i think someone like Valkyr is more your speed

[brittle sleet]

Slash Dash on Volt would be peak though ngl

[solar reef]

Brainless melee spam and super easy to survive with for minimal effort

[peak crown]

volt have slash dash?

what?

[brittle sleet]

No but it'd be funny

[limpid talon]

volt doesnt have slash dash, would be funny but blind i think is excals subsume

[brittle sleet]

Correct

[peak crown]

then what about you talkin? i can't understand you

[brittle sleet]

I got mixed up thinking we were still talking about Excalibur, ignore it

[elfin sluice]

funny ideas based on a misunderstanding

[limpid talon]

i cant believe ive put 9 forma into my jade since starting this event

[peak crown]

idk what to do damn it cause and volt and excal have no survival options for me rn

[quartz tartan]

Gonna make a custom warframe with Slash Dash, Charge, Landslide, and Razor Gyre

[elfin sluice]

are you including her glory in that? if not, that's a lot for her main frame

[peak crown]

volt i can't understand how to play him with no energy problems
excal i have no options to heal

[quartz tartan]

And then subsume over Landslide for vial rush

[limpid talon]

yeah i am, 5 on jade 4 on glory

[opal leaf]

Volt and Excal are just squishy frames

But when you are able to hit that shield gate then it'll be golden

[limpid talon]

my usual solution for energy problems is arcane energize, which is pretty easy to get right now, tho ive had to do additional modding on my jade to maintain hers

[brittle sleet]

Peak

[elfin sluice]

volt - use his second skill to shieldgate. it's cheaper than his fourth one and is instantly cast(meaning enemies can't shoot you to break your shield while you're using it).
also make sure to hit x after using electric shield - you can pick it up to carry it around for mobile protection.

[long portal]

since it seems like you're relatively early game, energy is going to be really tough. you might want to think about buying a copy of energy nexus off of warframe.market,it's a mod that gives free energy regen as long as you're not using a channeled ability. i would give you one but i gave all my spares to clanmates. if you have a sahasa kubrow, they can help with energy a lot too

[brittle sleet]

If you're having problems with energy and survival both then drop Blind Rage and run more range maybe

[quartz tartan]

What would you say would be the best "i go forward now" abilities for a frame if they ONLY got those kinds

[brittle sleet]

Oh yeah Energy Nexus is dope

[peak crown]

shield is third skill and he can just hold this for pickup

[long portal]

oh yeah, def dont run blind rage if you dont have reliable energy economy

[peak crown]

just hold 3 and you will create and pick up shield

[opal leaf]

Synth Deconstruction would be goated

[elfin sluice]

i meant speed for shieldgating btw

[long portal]

it's not cheap is all

[brittle sleet]

tbh if you put Landslide and Razor Gyre on the same frame that alone covers literally everything you need

[opal leaf]

Yeah you can spam that bish

[peak crown]

i use this one

[long portal]

btw, sol-badguy does not understand what shield gating is, they think it's got something to do with volt's shield, so someone should probably explain to them what it is

[opal leaf]

Niceeeee

[opal leaf]

Wait do you know what Shield Gate is?

[peak crown]

my excal build

[quartz tartan]

I'd still say add Vial Rush for status and AoE

[long portal]

i would explain but i am very stupid today

[peak crown]

when my shield is broke i have invul frames for a while

[weary stratus]

Anyone has a grimoire build

[long portal]

yes, but do you understand where the shield regeneration comes from?

[brittle sleet]

Vial Rush and Slash Dash is good for CC and slash procs (to get through armor) I suppose

[peak crown]

and builds through it plays with the regen shield while you have these invuls but i have one big damn problem - energy

even with arcane energize

(but unupgraded)

[limpid talon]

if energize isnt r5 its pretty much worthless as an arcane imo

[opal leaf]

How... Ah!

I know

It's always a problem bc there are less enemies to mark and kill

And you have r0 energize I presume so

[peak crown]

r1

[dull laurel]

does this build make sense for a caster lavos?

[opal leaf]

Still you gotta pump it up

[peak crown]

still how i can up health in this builds? expect upgrade mods cause i have no endo

[opal leaf]

A Mecha build won't work on Lavos

He kills using Status

Might as well slot in Corrosive Projection and Archon Continuity

[dull laurel]

what?

how would that be an issue

[weary stratus]

Any Grimoire build ....?

[elfin sluice]

if you don't know what shieldgating is:
whenever your shield breaks, there's a tiny bit of time where you cannot take any damage at all. that period is called the "shield gate".
your shields start regenerating a little bit after it ends, based on your shield recharge delay stat. if you get hurt before they start regenerating, you lose health and the shield recharge delay starts all over again.
shieldgating is a method of survival that focuses on instantly refilling your shield during the gate's duration to instantly reset.
the most common way to shieldgate is through the Augur mod set - any mod from this set will make all of your abilities instantly refill a little bit of shield the moment you use them, which resets the shield gate state(and thus makes you basically immortal as long as you can keep casting stuff).
another common mod for this is [Brief Respite], an aura with a much larger shield refill(which is useful for warframes with large shield pools, since the larger your shield pool is, the shorter your shieldgate duration will be if it's instantly re-emptied after an augur refresh)

[opal leaf]

Your Kubrow would be very useless.... That's why

When using a Mecha Set, you want a frame that has issues with Status, a Frame that can't kill using status

Best examples are Loki With Damage Decoy augment and Koumei herself

At this point, when using Lavos, run a Diriga hahahha

[peak crown]

and what i did say? invul frames in time when you cant get damage + this my build on volt augur + brief

[dull laurel]

why do i care about the kubrow? the frame inflicts a lot of status, mecha set spreads those statuses to enemies on death, isn't that a perfect match? i don't understand

it's a pretty commonly used set on lavos as well from what i can tell, isn't it?

[quartz tartan]

Give back the Diriga that snipes toes from across the map with a lanka... ;_;

[opal leaf]

No... That's not how that works

[elfin sluice]

i was just writing an explanation in case you didn't understand some part of it and were just following some sort of build guide

[peak crown]

i followwing some sort of build guide with umbra cause there build with no shieldgate and i have problem with fact that i can't heal up

[peak crown]

umbra build.

[opal leaf]

Not that common tbh

I never seen a Mecha Set on Lavos

[dull laurel]

how does it work then

[elfin sluice]

[Hunter Recovery] on your pet helps - your pet heals you every time it deals damage. Depending on your pet - ideally a vulaphyla for this - this is a constant, reliable source of healing.

[dull laurel]

can you explain what i was wrong about

[peak crown]

where i can get vulaphyla?

[quartz tartan]

Deimos modular pet

[long portal]

it's going to be really difficult to run blind rage if you're struggling with energy econ especially if you dont have primed flow

[elfin sluice]

deimos. you make them like a kitgun/zaw - capture one out in the wild, craft some blueprints from son in the necralisk and go talk to son to put them all together.

[quartz tartan]

Gotta let the wild vulpaphyla get hit by infested first though

[limpid talon]

that or a r5 energize,

[opal leaf]

I understand what you are going with the Mecha Set, it spreads status and such and such

But you are already spreading status..... You're Lavos

Mecha Mods are nothing but nuisance to his build

That's why I recommend just use Archon Mods as he can use it more better than a Mecha Set

It's like Using a Tub of saltwater in an Ocean. You have an Ocean... What's with the Tub of Saltwater ?

[elfin sluice]

@peak crown amongst vulpaphylas, the most reliable for hunter recovery specifically is the panzer vulaphyla.

[peak crown]

any other ways for heal?

[limpid talon]

theres one way i can think of, but thats a late game thing

[quartz tartan]

Slow and inconsistent, so don't rely on it...?

[brittle sleet]

Lavos is a status spreader and likes more status spreading.
He loves Cedo and it's not just because Cedo gets more damage from him putting down status

[opal leaf]

Fax

[elfin sluice]

most "heal"ing is done by replenishing shield instead of HP, and replenishing energy to make replenishing the shield easier, so it really boils down to keeping archon stretch active and ranking up your energize if possible. I have a r3 energize as a leftover from the previous event that I can give you for cheap if you want it.

[dull laurel]

it's not even just spread, right? it also boosts the damage of my statuses on the marked enemy so that they spread even stronger statuses

[elfin sluice]

and valence formation makes every single pellet of the main fire also apply guaranteed status effects if i'm reading things correctly

[quartz tartan]

This also exists but might be worse off?

[deep grotto]

The goat Taxon

[peak crown]

and what's cd of this mod?

[quartz tartan]

The reload speed of the weapon

[peak crown]

i use nataruk

😐

[elfin sluice]

usually says on the wiki page

[quartz tartan]

Wait no, that's not the attack precept

[deep grotto]

The sentinel weapon

[peak crown]

20 seconds? damn

[opal leaf]

You slot better mods than those tbh. That's why I never see the reason why a Mecha Mod would be there

I mean you asked us if it make sense for a caster Lavos.... Then No it doesn't... If you want a full on Caster set, might as well use Archon Mods as they have elements in there that has more use than just... Spreading status on a frame that spread status

Might as well use Cedo tbh

[brittle sleet]

There's exactly one Archon mod that Lavos gets use out of and you just slot it alongside Mecha mods

[opal leaf]

You use Mecha Mods on Lavos?

[brittle sleet]

Sorry two Archon mods

https://overframe.gg/build/816058/lavos-prime/full-mecha-alchemist-lavos-explosive-fumes-heat-gas-catalyze-nuke-casual-tank/

[dull laurel]

ninjase also has a mecha build

[brittle sleet]

Forgot about Intensify because it's not elemental lol

[dull laurel]

yea and ive seen it on youtube in multiple forms

it doesn't seem that crazy to me

[opal leaf]

Vitality and Continuity is such a goated mods

[elfin sluice]

this makes stuff like that far more bearable, though

[dull laurel]

i understand your point that it's maybe too much of a good thing and it's overkill? but it still seems worth to me, idk. even if you don't need the spread you're still getting more status effects and stronger status effects

[deep grotto]

It doesn’t seem very outlandish to give a frame that spreads statuses more opportunities and range to spread statuses

[long portal]

manifold bond is just a great mod in general

[opal leaf]

I myself is weirded out

Because they be flaming me for using Mecha Mods and now you guys use it? Players in the Game must've hated me...

[deep grotto]

Who?

[opal leaf]

Alright I accept defeat

It can be used

I cannot comment further as I don't know any further stuff

[deep grotto]

Whoever told you it wasn’t viable was tweaking perhaps

[limpid talon]

reminds me of the "is the soma an lmg or an AR" debates ive had

[deep grotto]

There are a lot of people that just give bad info tbh

[elfin sluice]

mecha mods are good.
they just encourage the usage of your spatial awareness, which some warframe players horrifically lack

[opal leaf]

Vets man, "Lavos Mains"

It made me quit Lavos because of that.

[deep grotto]

Lmfao

[peak crown]

https://youtu.be/hDAA1qAucDQ?si=x0-4WOTiQ7_qN6UU not sure that youtube builds is works but i will ask - is this works?

[deep grotto]

Yikes

[opal leaf]

Reason I don't see the reason of a Mecha Mod but I guess it make sense why Mecha Mods are used

[brittle sleet]

Yeah there's more bad players than there are good ones, sometimes, it seems

[dull laurel]

ok but whatever if you ignore the mecha mods if you don't like them does the rest of the build make sense

[quartz tartan]

There's also

30s cd

[elfin sluice]

makes sense. just keep in mind status duration goes down with transfort, so you might want to consider augur secrets in its place

[deep grotto]

Always remember the MR 8 Rhino in Perita Rebellion with Nataruk, Grimoire and Broken war

[opal leaf]

It make sense... (I'll just apologize if my comment seems like it attacks you or something)

I would just say replace Adaptation with something else like, a shield Generation if you use shields (fast Deflection)

[dull laurel]

i figured duration wasn't that important, is it?

[brittle sleet]

If it's not a hot pink Rhino in a Spy mission then it's not a real Rhino

[deep grotto]

Lmao

[limpid talon]

dont see why not, although it looks like youd have to forma an umbral polarity off, other wise you might have capacity problems cat shields and fast deflection for quick shield regen and gating

[elfin sluice]

rhino in spy.
rhino does heavy stealth

[opal leaf]

Eh duration makes the status stay longer on enemies

So its, a bit used

[elfin sluice]

you don't want it to be negative at all, but raising it isn't all that important either.

[brittle sleet]

You see a hot pink Rhino in a spy mission you KNOW he's flawlessly completing his vaults

[quartz tartan]

Oh! 5s cool down though

[dull laurel]

it's 72.5 with this build

[peak crown]

i not sure if i should to polarity off umbra slot

cause it's hard to get back

[dull laurel]

ill test both fast deflection and adaptation

[limpid talon]

umbra forma is honestly not that hard to get ahold of, every nightwave comes with one iirc, and you really dont use alot of them

[elfin sluice]

on umbra, keep at least two of the umbra polarities
intensify is an easy permanent slot and you'll be able to afford both normal business and umbral business with one other umbra forma in there

[deep grotto]

A lot of people don’t like umbral mods so it’s really a preference atp

[brittle sleet]

I'd suggest not removing the Umbral polarity and letting your Excalibur Umbra do Persistence builds while base Excalibur does shieldgate builds

But you got options

Mainly suggest the Persistence builds since you mentioned wanting to be able to brain off hold E when possible

And Persistence Gloom Excalibur is best at that

[deep grotto]

I personally don’t remove umbral slots cause I’m not wasting my forma on that

[brittle sleet]

Out of any usable Excalibur build

[peak crown]

btw why on youtube i can't find build for standart excal?

[limpid talon]

yeah, ironically its more expensive to forma an umbral polarity off than it is to put one on, just because of how much forma you burn through on everything else

[elfin sluice]

looking on youtube wasn't a good idea, mate.
youtube build guides are oft outdated.

[opal leaf]

Alright if it works

It's just Adaptation got a downfall when Persistence came hahahah

But feel free to use both

[opal leaf]

Yt builds are mostly fake

Mostly

I'll edit my Lavos because of that

I'll try be a Lavos main with them Status Spreads

After I main Zephyr

[elfin sluice]

the only bloke i've found on youtube that provides decent information on the game has been [The Kengineer].
the rest i've seen just parrot what the cards say, providing no additional meaningful information.

[deep grotto]

Berd

[dull laurel]

113 str 72 duration < 82 str 100 duration?

[elfin sluice]

if you go even a single percent in the red for duration on lavos, you lose one tick of heat/gas/electric/toxin damage.

[dull laurel]

right

[opal leaf]

Birb

[dull laurel]

so i assume that means yes

[peak crown]

and what is better? https://overframe.gg/build/390077/excalibur/the-thunderous-blade-excalibur-slash-dash-exalted-blade-influence-nuke-updated-2025/

[elfin sluice]

yeah you don't wanna go negative on the lad

[opal leaf]

You have Ninjase build, use it as a guide

[dull laurel]

82% str just scary but i guess precision intensify fixes it where it matters

[peak crown]

but idk how to play his build

[opal leaf]

Why do you have low strength?

[elfin sluice]

honestly can't speak much of non-umbral builds on lavos since i use triumbral on him

[rain mica]

Is equilibrium worth anything on Hildryn Prime?

[long portal]

no

[elfin sluice]

overextended + precision intensify

[dull laurel]

i only have one umbral forma unfortunately

[opal leaf]

You don't need to know how to play his build

You have to know how his build works in play

[peak crown]

like this standart excal what i use rn and idk how to use this build correctly

[elfin sluice]

do you know what all the pieces of your build do?

is there anything that you don't understand why it's there?

[opal leaf]

Focused on 4 huh

I would go no Corrupted mods to stay to 100 and start there

[elfin sluice]

not my build lol - pinged the wrong lad. I use triumbral

[opal leaf]

Oh Persistence Lavos? Damn

I use infinite Shield Lavos

[elfin sluice]

haven't slotted in persistence since i like having shield but yeah

[rain mica]

For Hildryn, what should I replace equilibrium for?

[opal leaf]

Shield Gate Lavos is crazy

Lavos can proc it instantly, idk how

[elfin sluice]

how in the heck do you even intentionally shieldgate on lavos? he can't ability-spam.

[violet silo]

...wait wdym
why do you have equilibrium

[elfin sluice]

not without a horde to hit with swift bite anyway

[violet silo]

lazy gating

[rain mica]

Habit of mine to slap equilibrium lmao

[opal leaf]

Lazy shield gating

For some reason Lavos can proc Aegis faster than any frames

[rain mica]

But I know it doesn't scale well on hildryn now

[elfin sluice]

which i don't really understand, having dived straight into active gating as a caliban main

[opal leaf]

It took a lot of mods to work imo

Fast Deflection
Vigilante Vigor
Catalysing Shields

And Arcane Aegis

[rain mica]

IDK if I should slap Fleeting Expertise or Stretch on Equilibrium's slot

[violet silo]

idk what to switch it for, it shouldnt have been there in the first place

[rain mica]

I just realized it now, IDK what to slap on it

[solar reef]

passive gating is pretty flawed on most frames since in the end it gets shut down by some bad luck

[violet silo]

idk either, I dont have your build

[solar reef]

gauss is the only frame that truly can pull it off

[elfin sluice]

probably another shield regen mod if you don't already have them in there?

as a holdover

[opal leaf]

"The chance is low, but never zero" ahh unluckiness

[violet silo]

generally all you need to make it work is a little survivability trick tho
like volt's shield or omikuji

[solar reef]

but yeah, lavos doesnt have anything like that afaik

[opal leaf]

Omamori

[solar reef]

which is why persistence has saved lavos

[elfin sluice]

i really need to pick up koumei at some point.

[violet silo]

jade has the same thing

[elfin sluice]

and persistence definitely makes lavos seem a lot tankier given healing sources

[violet silo]

https://tenor.com/view/mega-mind-megamind-potato-tomato-gif-25213138

[elfin sluice]

chuckles in taking a step out of railjack as him and instantly dying because of it

[solar reef]

i dont jade at all i threw her away 4 days after she came out (thats how long it took to craft her)

[opal leaf]

Idk why but My Lavos can proc it instantly... I'll send the vid again and look

[elfin sluice]

good luck, you have

[opal leaf]

In an instant

[dull laurel]

hmmm i guess the only difference between my build and ninjase's build is that he has more str on non-catalyse abilities but wayyyyyy less efficiency

[opal leaf]

Well not really instant

[opal leaf]

Must've been hahaha

[dull laurel]

but he also expects you to trigger like full arcane impetus and seismic bond all the time which is so annoying for general play

[elfin sluice]

so aside from bite, what else can lavos realistically use to keep his health topped up

[violet silo]

that's working as intended, but you did see the second where you had open hp
at level cap or smth, that could've killed u

[opal leaf]

True... That's less than a second but it's a window for sure

[solar reef]

theres no known interaction between lavos and aegis thats unique to him

it works that way on everyone

[opal leaf]

Oh so it's just normal activity I guess. When it procs easily

[dull laurel]

im kinda scared of low str on snake bite hampering my healing but also i guess i can fix it with shards while i cant fix efficiency so maybe thats not so bad

[elfin sluice]

duration shards to counter transfort's debuff might also work

[dull laurel]

oh yea

[opal leaf]

Tho guess I was lucky in that vid?

[dull laurel]

and actually i just remembered whats really worrying me is no archon continuity

[opal leaf]

3% chance is small

[peak crown]

well on standart excal i can live but i do not much damage

[opal leaf]

Toxin = Corrosive

It's a cool mod

[elfin sluice]

just did the math, two strength shards with augur secrets gives more strength and equal duration than transfort with two duration shards

[dull laurel]

good thought im thinking though and maybe its better to replace precision intensify with archon continuity and use transfort again instead of secrets

[pale belfry]

pure tox also good, dont really need corro tho

[dull laurel]

and then 112 str and some amount of duration above 100

[opal leaf]

I mean Lavos can just mix and match his alchemy powers and voila

[elfin sluice]

precis.intensify can be subbed with umbral intensify to buff bite if you're worried about healing rate and don't mind making that catalyze strength sacrifice.

[dull laurel]

i think archon continuity is what i'm more worried about over healing rate

it's really good

[elfin sluice]

for the duration or the aux effect?
valence formation makes the aux effect moot generally since you'd proc ten corrosives from 1-2 shotgun blasts

[dull laurel]

the aux effect really so yea maybe its not that useful

[pale belfry]

i know but i rarely use corro with lavos tbh

imma just use pure DOT

[elfin sluice]

with two corrosive shards on lavos his shotguns can fully armorstrip in an instant though, so it's not a bad call on steel path

[dull laurel]

my thought was like you do the dash with archon cont and you get armor strip and then you can nuke better but

[leaden thistle]

Was just playing with Lavos. Valence Formation is amazing :V

[dull laurel]

i guess i can infuse it

[subtle solstice]

how do i boost my operator's damage?

[opal leaf]

Oh...

[peak crown]

i can't even start charge my shield wtf

shield gate build doesn't work at all or what the hell is happening

[elfin sluice]

the only known ways to boost operator damage are:

• volt's electric shield
• acquiring a tauron strike to unlock operator modding
• swapping your amp for a higher-damage one(assuming you haven't already settled into something like a 547/747/157/147)
• focusschool-specific temporary buffs/debuffs

[pale belfry]

once you play long enough, you will know, pure DOT dmg better than viral and corro combine with lavos

both dmg type are boost

[opal leaf]

What dot you recommend?

[pale belfry]

Tox for corpus

heat, elect for the rest imo

[leaden thistle]

Not slash?

[opal leaf]

So just 1 by 1?

[opal leaf]

It's Lavos, Lavos doesn't have slash

[leaden thistle]

Oh, that's the topic nvm

[subtle solstice]

i've been using 477. Is that my problem?

[pale belfry]

yes, you could run viral and corro from other source

[dull laurel]

realistically how much does str matter for catalyze

[opal leaf]

Probably his Cedo cause he loves his gun

[pale belfry]

but the DOT dmg is the only cant improve too much

so we need lavos to boost it

[peak crown]

i should SPAM skills?

[opal leaf]

Yes you are using an Active shield Gate, not a lazy one

[leaden thistle]

That's usually how shield gating works iirc. You are missing Augur mods though, which is how active gating works since Augur mods restore shields on ability cast

[peak crown]

on excal? how? damn i have no idea cause i want play through 4-th skill

[elfin sluice]

477 is okay, but x7x is REALLY limited in application. Like, you only see that altfire used to good effect in eidolon hunts.
would suggest swapping it for the phahd glaives(which do way more than you think they should) or fan-the-hammer.
and would advise changing your primary fire to 7xx(close-quarters rapid-fire), 1xx(single-shot similar to the sirocco) or 5xx(basically a version of 1xx that's more aim-forgiving)

[peak crown]

i use them on my stalker's knifes

[subtle solstice]

but i need to be able to take down void angels, and the range might hinder me

[pale belfry]

or use these mods

[subtle solstice]

oh i see

[peak crown]

these all needs to spam skill and won't ork on excals 4-th one

[elfin sluice]

and that's why i'm suggesting options with good range and burst damage for the altfires.

[opal leaf]

Spam other skills

You need to be Active, that's why it's an Active Shield Gate

I go Lazy

[leaden thistle]

The active drain of the 4th will not restore shields, only on initial cast so keep that in mind

[pale belfry]

jjust spam 1 2 3

[peak crown]

how do lazy one?

[opal leaf]

It's a bunch of Mods that you have to reset your build in order to have it (mostly capping but yeah)

[pale belfry]

or swap to vazarin school

[elfin sluice]

if you get 100% ammo efficiency on operator via one operator mod and a specific amp arcane, you can endlessly fire the x5x altfire. for void angels, this can burst their "void phase" shield down before the bubbles come out even with bodyshots.

similar deal with 1xx & 5xx headshots, but without the ammo efficiency requirement.
Personally use a 557 because of the ease-of-use involved.

[opal leaf]

@peak crown

With Catalyzing + Fast Deflection + Vigilante Vigor:

• Full shield depletion: 1 sec recharge delay
• Shield gate iframes: 1.33 sec
• Why this is better?: After shield gate ends your health will be vulnerable and have to not get hit for 1 sec for passive regen to start again.
  • With BR/Augur you will have a 1.33 sec shield gate. This gives you a bigger safety net of 1.33 sec to use an ability to reset the shield gate while taking no hits for 1 sec for passive regen. So less spamming and having to really pay attention to your shields for the most comfort.
  • It serves as a good backup but also should you get hit during the shield gate where the passive regen only starts outside the iframe window you can just cast an ability to give you 1.33 secs more, so bridging the gaps where you're potentially vulnerable if you got hit during your shield gate.

Literally you just have to move for (or less than) 1 second for the Shield to Recover

It's from my mentor

Add that with Aegis and you'll be goated

[pale belfry]

no need too much, jjust keep one is enough

[opal leaf]

It's just for Comfy,

[pale belfry]

dont spend slot on only defense

get good and reduce it

[wary forge]

its prob just a skill dif

[opal leaf]

Like Fast Deflection and Cata or just Fast Deflection only is ok but that's just for most The time

[elfin sluice]

three mods poured into defense(four if you include the involved augur mod) leaves little room for offense

[opal leaf]

Yes, that's the downside

[peak crown]

in short what should i do?

[pale belfry]

play like a gambler

either your enemy die or you will die

better way to improve you skill

[cedar root]

need help reading warframe logs, what does it say about my build

idk what the characters mean

[opal leaf]

... That, the guide

Like we provided you

Yes, We:

Damian
Le Can
Me (theccking)

And other else, the needs to survive, I provided to comfiest build and they provided the skill based build for survivability and defense

It's up to you now

[leaden thistle]

It says

[opal leaf]

True

[pale belfry]

6.5219e+19 -> 65219000000000000000

[opal leaf]

I cannot disagree

[leaden thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/damage-thats-a-lot-of-damage-jon-tron-gif-13054497

[elfin sluice]

your sentinel shot something and it did a crashing level of damage

[opal wind]

What would be the best type of kubrow to use with a Voruna mecha build?

[opal leaf]

Like all of you have have good points and such, I just provided an alternative if that make sense

[pale belfry]

its just 6.5219×10^19

[elfin sluice]

no wonder hunter recovery wasn't doing shit on lavos

[cedar root]

whats the top line of characters then

[old marsh]

fyi: your shield doesnt recharge during the 1.33 seconds of time if u r still taking dmg. u can however pop out as operator for a second so enemies stop targetting u

[pale belfry]

no idea, lazy to handle it, i just only know the thing i said above because i used to use it in my game, because the limitation of var

[elfin sluice]

at that point it stops being passive gating and becomes active

may as well run augur mods and/or brief respite in that case.

[old marsh]

unless its a high efficiency build

[pale belfry]

put biref + blind rage (if you can). ez to fix it

[old marsh]

then u wanna run circumvent or something else

[elfin sluice]

you just need one shield point for it at the lowest level. you can keep the high shield recharge setup listed above, but have one of the supporting mods be an augur to kickstart it.

[opal leaf]

Good note, would take note

[rain mica]

Currently thinking of replacing equilibrium with stretch

[old marsh]

orrr Circumvent

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-roll-confuse-gif-11695636

gameplay

[elfin sluice]

which is a whole 'nother thing for survival that doesn't really work for gating without fighting the corpus specifically, but that helps as well

[rain mica]

IDK if I should replace Equilibrium with Fortitude or Stretch

[subtle solstice]

hmmmm

[old marsh]

it does if there is eximus free PSF

[opal leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/psf-achieved-prime-sure-footed-gif-1148020612292723700

[pale belfry]

only replace Equilibrium if you having no issue without it in yor build

[rain mica]

It's Hildryn Prime, she doesn't have much use for Equilibrium

[pale belfry]

so take that out if hildryn

because its quite useless

[elfin sluice]

currently working on a kuva ogris, and will elemental vice it at some point down the line. what progenitor elements work best on it?
it'll eventually be for a saryn toxic lash setup.

[rain mica]

Between Fortitude and Stretch, which one is better

[pale belfry]

some build says tox some says heat

[old marsh]

heat

[pale belfry]

viral + heat is the most used in that gun

[pale belfry]

Stretch

[elfin sluice]

i got it natively with a toxin progenitor - does toxin prog boost toxic lash's output?

[pale belfry]

yes

[rain mica]

Gotcha, thanks

[elfin sluice]

thanks

[pale belfry]

yeah, i did not run arbi

[old marsh]

share build. i got a riven for it too

[pale belfry]

total 200k is general + level cap run

[solar reef]

any modded tox affects toxin lash, even if its combined into gas, corrosive, or viral

toxic lash is genuinely is so nuts when you take the time to read its wiki

theres so much bullshit that it gets away with that it shouldnt

[old marsh]

illegal more like it

[elfin sluice]

but does the unmodded progenitor bonus boost it as well

[solar reef]

yes, as prog bonus acts like modded damage

[elfin sluice]

lovely

so that's staying

[pale belfry]

incase you using saryn only

dont use tox prog

use tox mod

max cap tox prog = 60%
tox mod = 90%

[old marsh]

cool stuff. whats the riven?

[pale belfry]

just garbage riven that im too lazy to roll

should focus on multishot

[solar reef]

i sold one recently with Grineer, DMG, Elec/-CC for it

[old marsh]

why elec?

[solar reef]

because thats what was on it

[pale belfry]

unrolled

[old marsh]

oh thought thats what u rolled it for

[solar reef]

holy shit sean strickland just won

[pale belfry]

ogris riven had pretty decent price to sell even unrolled

[solar reef]

oh my goodness

[solar reef]

50ish plat

not bad at all

i undercut mine at like 45 but it was actually a super usable roll

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-ew-wtf-no-disgusted-gif-11058683547538402693

[solar reef]

-cc is really good for crew reasons from what ive been told

[old marsh]

500 or bust

[pale belfry]

better than nothing. Enough for 1 booster + 10p forma skip

[elfin sluice]

negative crit chance, good for crew? don't understand

[solar reef]

building it for the aoe/napalm

it also has a really dookie buns CC to begin with

[elfin sluice]

for some reason it sounded like negative crit was something that was desirable over something like negative zoom

[solar reef]

its not the desired roll

but its not attrocious by any means

[pale belfry]

this is the one i got god stat with neg zoom

[solar reef]

gets it to 16% CC

its crit stats really do suck

9% CC for a 2X CDm

definitely not a god roll

[pale belfry]

its rubico

[solar reef]

oh i missread

[elfin sluice]

was planning on using both. does nightwatch napalm's lingering field trigger the weapon's status effects, or just toxic lash?

[solar reef]

i thought we were still on ogris

[pale belfry]

you could take cold as prog

my disruption level cap build is cold prog

[old marsh]

huh. magnetic? any specific reason? can always add a mag mod. u would think it would be wise to lean more towards heat, no?

[solar reef]

thats magazine

[old marsh]

OHHHH

[velvet pulsar]

Some arcanes don't work on crew, mods like shivering contagion don't work

[solar reef]

you cant get magnetic as a riven stat

[elfin sluice]

REC refers to reload speed, yes?

[solar reef]

recoil

[old marsh]

i was like. this is first time i am seeing it. totally skipped my mind

[solar reef]

do note that the negative stat for recoil is actually *+*Recoil on riven cards

[velvet pulsar]

Weapon augment mods are also inconsistent, and because hata-satya doesn't work, I believe it can't use Glaxion augment either

[elfin sluice]

honestly the negative stat for zoom on rivens should be +zoom

[velvet pulsar]

And no Galvanized on kill effects either

[elfin sluice]

if we're talking about things that hinder players

[solar reef]

yeah but old DE didnt consider that

[old marsh]

i am an avid Soma user. Hata Satya works with Crux. infinite ammo

[velvet pulsar]

This is regarding crew

[old marsh]

oh. nvm me. carry on. apologies for intervention

[solar reef]

i still haven’t gotten my heat roll for ichor yet

smh

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[pale belfry]

so fcking lazy to reroll things

[solar reef]

theres only one roll on wfm with the +’s i want and it has -SC

[velvet pulsar]

So on call crew can't use rivens, some arcanes (like enervate), some mods, and even some weapons.

And has random reload animations which are absolutely not required coz infinite ammo.

[solar reef]

currently hunting +DMG, Heat, Range / -harmless

[pale belfry]

im still stucking witht this shit

cant even reroll proper stat

[velvet pulsar]

Y'all reroll?

[opal leaf]

Damn 200 rolls...

[elfin sluice]

for some things

[pale belfry]

i gave up already

[velvet pulsar]

0 rolls

[elfin sluice]

i'll take that as a no for you, then

[opal leaf]

Damnnnnnn

Sells high for sure

[velvet pulsar]

Untainted by orokin bloody kuva

0 plat 0 kuva wasted

[solar reef]

-reload kind of hurts its price

[opal leaf]

Ah...

[proud drift]

Dies anyone have any build tips for these?

[opal leaf]

Damnnnnnn...

[velvet pulsar]

Not even gonna sell it.

Adapted my own gameplay for it

Dies

[pale belfry]

my favorite one

[opal leaf]

Damn that's nice

What are these luck man

[velvet pulsar]

After a good while of riven unveiling, luck shines

[solar reef]

i bought this for 250 plat from a Japanese player a day before the incarnon dropped

[pale belfry]

my shameless one

[velvet pulsar]

Specially noticed it when u unveil rivens in open world

[proud drift]

Does anyone have any tips how to properly mod these?

[opal leaf]

Try search Overframe and find Ninjase Builds there

[solar reef]

just check the ninjase set ups

Work off of those into what you need

[proud drift]

Ok

[opal leaf]

Ninjase has one of the best explanation as he obviously have the Know-How of these builds

[pale belfry]

you can get at least proper with with him. If you want better than do youself

[opal leaf]

Or if you wanna be different hahahah

[solar reef]

most of his builds are generalist builds

[pale belfry]

ninjase just show general builds tbh

some are quite bad

[solar reef]

his arca plasmor build is quite a miss from what I’ve heard

[pale belfry]

his build is something like focus on A thing and forgot about B thing

build not always running around dmg output

In fact, chinese people really love to play survival

they are very good at setting up for afk build without getting banned

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-dog-sleeping-sleeping-dog-dog-sleeping-tiny-eepy-dog-gif-2292331323183720739

[pale belfry]

we have tenet envoy as the top 1 kill primary gun

i think that should be from chinese

a lot afk build running with tenet envoy

and the "afk" context i talking about there is 1 day straight

[solar reef]

55 hour follie survival missions

[elfin sluice]

if the envoy really is popular, then this should've sold two months ago, but i've been putting it in every WTS i make and it has yet to

guess that weapon's better rivenless?

or does it care a lot about status

[solar reef]

terrible riven dispo and an attriocuously bad negative

[old marsh]

i tried to sell mine for 60p and instantly got a text. unfortunately power went out and transaction never went thru. i saw this as a sign from god and never sold it.

[charred gale]

get on chinese servers

[elfin sluice]

i don't know what works well on the gun, having only gotten it for MR
guessing it's modded for gas or blast in those afk setups if status chance matters

[old marsh]

this is my Envoy riven

[old marsh]

u want 2 specific stats. Crit dmg and reload speed

boy does it need that reload speed

[opal leaf]

They are Asians

You know the ways of the asians

[pale belfry]

well, im asian

[opal leaf]

(It sound so stereotypical despite I'm Asian)

[opal leaf]

Ay Asian gang

[old marsh]

we all asians

its 10:52 am for me

[pale belfry]

12:20 here

[old marsh]

now yall can determine which country i am in

[opal leaf]

I'm a different kind of Asian

it's 1:22pm

I just wanna try this one...

Mga pipino, labas kayo, Kung sino pipino dyan

Now I'll wait

[pale belfry]

pinoy

[lucid flint]

im larping as an asian

[opal leaf]

Are you one of em? Is you is pipino?

[pale belfry]

no

[opal leaf]

Oh

[lucid flint]

i pinoy

[opal leaf]

Now I wanna see who'll respond to it

[opal leaf]

AYYY MGA PEENOYS

[twin pine]

Hi fellow tenno, just wodnering what positive and negative stats on riven for tenet arca plasmor. I am fine if its roll on -fire rate since i will be using semi-shotgun cannonade, but what else to look out for.

[pale belfry]

used to play valorant so i faced a lot pinoy

[opal leaf]

Meron paba? Kaso bisaya ako hahaha

[opal leaf]

Ye they love it

[old marsh]

crit dmg is your main stat to look for. and then reload speed

[opal leaf]

Or cebuano

[pale belfry]

dont use semi mod, and neg should recoild, zoom, infested something like that

[twin pine]

isnt it good on plasmor since its multiplicative with elemental galvanized shotgun mods?

[solar reef]

Plasmor wants Savvy AND Additive

[pale belfry]

not really

[solar reef]

tf you mean “not really”

its literally multiGunCO

[twin pine]

got an example of mods setup?

[solar reef]

thats its whole appeal

[elfin sluice]

primary blight on kuva ogris - bad idea or good?

[opal leaf]

Now that you mentioned that, is Basso a multigunco too?

[lucid flint]

im on train keep losing connection man…

[solar reef]

its a better plasmor in almost every way

[pale belfry]

its fine

[twin pine]

from what i been learning, usually projectile based guns multiplicative ?

[pale belfry]

not really mean not really

[opal leaf]

Ohhhh will keep in mind

[elfin sluice]

mainly asking in toxic lash's case.

[opal leaf]

Yes

[solar reef]

it either is or it isnt

there is no “not really”

[opal leaf]

Most of the time

[solar reef]

every plasmor should be using both a raw mod (pref. Semi) and Galv. Savvy together

if you’re saying otherwise you need to rebuild it

[pale belfry]

trade off fire rate -> not really

[twin pine]

but its 240% damage

also i am using the 200 crit -20 firerate, so its a good override on firerate

[solar reef]

theres a reason almost everybody uses it

[pale belfry]

if only you want to dealing with tanky unit

[lucid flint]

lol im american but family from cavite its why i said larping

[pale belfry]

in general trash clear, its bad to me tbh

[opal leaf]

Hahahah I mean it's you're good hahahah

[twin pine]

i have secondary for that

[elfin sluice]

semi-rifle cannonade blocks reinforced bond's bonus, right?

[elfin sluice]

based on merciless being here, guessing that stuff generated off of napalm procs it

[pale belfry]

its general use fit on almost all frame

you could use blight to boost multishot

and yeah, it is easy to sustain

I using it when level cap run and saryn mostly

you also can use it with other frame like oraxia

[dense abyss]

so...

Someone can help me with this?

like, Hildryn and Lavos don't work with this trait, right?

[old marsh]

railjack

[elfin sluice]

probably not?

[mighty flare]

correct

[dense abyss]

so, is there a good warframe for Pilot or i just use other shield?

[elfin sluice]

still lavos, for the ability cooldown bit.

[mighty flare]

lavos, protea, jade, garuda, etc

[dense abyss]

Lavan is the bigger shield, but this trait being useless makes me thinking to use a Zekti

[pale belfry]

garuda energy loop all the round

[dense abyss]

Wait

Protea can earn energy when using Railjack?

with Dispensary

[pale belfry]

except we getting new content, those things just quite useless since frame handle all of it

[mighty flare]

anyone with dispensary/bright bonnet can

[pale belfry]

RJ using frame energy

[elfin sluice]

as well as anyone with energy nexus

[dense abyss]

what a headache...

[elfin sluice]

there are no health or energy orbs in space, so you need to bring your own energy

[dense abyss]

what u guys think, is best to use a energy frame to use this trait or just focus with Lavos/Hildryn and change to another shield?

[pale belfry]

why you keep focusing on shield problem ?

[elfin sluice]

i just bring mesa since she already had brightbonnet slapped on for the granum void.

[elfin sluice]

probably is thinking railjack's augur effect is just as important as regular warframe's

[pale belfry]

except the building turret, there nothing could kill you

[dense abyss]

just thinking about the combo with this mod

if is worth

[pale belfry]

all in dmg and spamming missle volley

if you want to try hard, so you do you

[dense abyss]

Using this set

what recommendations?

[pale belfry]

only seeker is enough

no change until the next RJ update

[dense abyss]

cool

i liked Lavos

the problem is when i need to use him inside the places...

I'm trying to making him a weapon plataform/tank

to use in Railjack

but i think i made a mistake

maybe shield gate build was better

[pale belfry]

only thing lavos missing is shield gating problem

[dense abyss]

i just want to build him for Railjack missions

[lunar mesa]

Probably should swap Avenger if no Combat Discipline. You don't want to be intentionally get hit just for it to proc which won't be reliable.

[elfin sluice]

lavos isn't exactly a warframe that dodges hits. he's going to take them incidentally, so it's not awful.
that said, bellicose is probably better given the triumbral bit there.

[pale belfry]

using vazarin to patch it\

https://tenor.com/view/weird-flex-but-ok-gif-13226192

[dense abyss]

i don't have problem to waste more formas to change the entire build

i know that i F#$(%( him, lmao

[pale belfry]

since the old peace and school mods exist

there is no reason for me to use madurai

unless eidolon 6x3 hunt

[inner raptor]

i use madurai when i get powerless modifier in eda/eta

[opal leaf]

Where????? Where do you get this! My Railjack needs this

[inner raptor]

any protea main here? what else can boost here turret damage aside from ability strength and roar?

[dense abyss]

Archon vitality

[inner raptor]

its just a double heat proc. doesnt affect the turret on hit damage

[dense abyss]

use this with "Temporal Erosion"

[versed harbor]

duration and range help alot for dmg aswell

armor strip and grouping too

[dense abyss]

yeah

only problem she have is with duration

You can use this with Archon Vitality, will help

[inner raptor]

i have them both

i guess madurai sling would help too

[pale belfry]

use epitaph or any priming to boost viral + corro incase you dont use armor strip augment

[inner raptor]

my secondary is either gamma incarnonr or scyothid

with mods for inherit

[dense abyss]

If you're thinking the turrets are going to one-shot at some point, no, they won't...

[inner raptor]

yeah i know

[pale belfry]

the turret is heat inherrit

[inner raptor]

4 turrets is good enough for me

[dense abyss]

i just think u need a primer like Epitaph to spam heat+viral

then work with duration to keep the turrets with max mult. dmg

[inner raptor]

so i guess ill have to shard up for duration so i dont have to use narrow minded

[pale belfry]

4 duration 1 cast or 5 duration like me

[dense abyss]

i think even with shards, is good to have narrow

[versed harbor]

arcane concentration is big too

[inner raptor]

yup

[versed harbor]

naw narrow minded is counter intuitive cuz how good range is on her

[dense abyss]

Arcane Concentration and Steadfast is almost core for her

[pale belfry]

keep the turret live up 10s is enough

[inner raptor]

i tried with narrow butttt the range is just like 13m+ dunno how i feel about that

[dense abyss]

Blind rage + Overextended + Narrow for 199% duration

u don't need this much of range

[pale belfry]

my protea not using any augment mods

[inner raptor]

man if only blaze artillery is coded as weapon damage

[versed harbor]

idk see no reason to nerf your own range when duration sources are so plentiful

[dense abyss]

because i did said earlier that he can use both augments mods + archon vitality

so, with flow+equilibrium, is all slots

but u build what u like, i just said options

[inner raptor]

ill try dropping temporal erosion. i can already viral prime with scyotid or gammacor incarnon for grouping along with heat procs for half armor. dont see any use case for full strip

[dense abyss]

Like, i use Huras and Roar to make her invi shooting with turrets

[inner raptor]

thing doesnt work on bosses anyway

[opal wind]

What shards should I use on Voruna? Im using no subsume and both augments and mecha setup

I have one tau cast speed so far. Is more strength that beneficial?

[limpid loom]

Is there any way for me to improve the survivability of my Atlas as I lost all 6 revives within the first 5 minutes on Circulus Lua when I was soloing it

[hollow plover]

Is there a good hate incarnon build

[old charm]

I like to run melee vortex on mine, I’ve got a video covering my recommendations on hate incarnon

[dense abyss]

Afflictions works too

[hollow plover]

Could I have it

[old charm]

https://youtu.be/GDlWpObSwb4?si=m3s8CWDsdDE1XRwr

[hollow plover]

Would a light spam or heavy build be better

And what frames would you recommend other than kullervo

[old charm]

I think i cover a few options in this video iirc, its a few months old but its still relevant. I run the vortex option personally

[dense abyss]

i use Ninjase build for light spam and heavy tennokai

[old charm]

Anything with innate heat damage is nice for the augment, but I basically play nothing but Excalibur

[dense abyss]

its the style i like

[hollow plover]

Ahh I don't have discipline merit tho

[old charm]

Can use whichever, discipline’s merit is just best overall for its rhythm

[dense abyss]

exactly

This new tennokai is very good too

[old charm]

Not if you’re using Arcane Persistence 😄

[dense abyss]

🤣

[copper palm]

Is this good for a 1 forma hildryn build? Was thinking to maybe sub out adaptation or blind rage for primed continuity and primed vigor

[versed harbor]

dont use primed vigor O____O

[hollow plover]

Wait I'm curious if I'm using gauss with his 2, would this regenerate energy?

[dense abyss]

i never used in my life "Aviator" and "Boreal" for her

[copper palm]

I mean the +65% shield capacity and 60% airborne dmg reduction is pretty solid imo

Which means I could be comfortable enough to replace adap

[dense abyss]

Range is better than Boreal Hatred, for your 2 gives more shield and strip armor

[copper palm]

Overextended?

[old charm]

Does Hildryn benefit from the Augur set at all?>

[copper palm]

I don’t think so

[dense abyss]

yes

[dense abyss]

no

[old charm]

What about duration on her?

[copper palm]

What does strength even do for her exactly

Duration helps shields last longer when airborne I think

[versed harbor]

its up to you tbh but if you feel comfortable dropping damage reduction stuff you can make her dmg and range go crazy

[dense abyss]

Also, Blazing pillage is not "that good", maybe if you use with Archon Vitality is a play, but i prefer without him

[versed harbor]

strength is mainly for pillage armor strip (full strip at 400 or 328?? with corro proj) and your exalted nuke stuff

[copper palm]

Oh true, I have to be “approached” by enemies for the effect to even work, and I’m airborne 99% of the match so it won’t even function

[dense abyss]

i know is your build with 1 forma, but is two gameplay that don't have enough slots to work around

[old charm]

Armor strip not that important now at least

[versed harbor]

duration effects pillage expansion radius aswell but you dont need tons to cover the whole room

[copper palm]

Ok took out blaze and adap, added overextended and 1 more forma should get me primed cont

[dense abyss]

Range is good with her for Pillage, explosion with Balefire and her Aegis Storm

[copper palm]

For now I’d like to keep boreal bc there isn’t many suitable shield buff replacement

[gleaming falcon]

blazing pillage allows her to work against infested

[copper palm]

Bc I’m ridding adap

[dense abyss]

so for me, i just put Stretch + Overextended with a lot of strength

[gleaming falcon]

other than that it's not very necessary

[copper palm]

Is 183% strength enough

[dense abyss]

for start, yes

but late, u need a lot more than this

[gleaming falcon]

strength is very good with arcane expertise, if you don't have that then you don't need as much ig... I'm still used to needing one cast strip back before the armor nerf

[copper palm]

I mean I have almost every mod and I usually have no issues in sp, I just absolutely suck at building frames from scratch without help

[dense abyss]

183% with corrosive projection is the number for 100% strip armor with 2x casts of pillage

[copper palm]

Then maybe an alternative for overextended

That cost me 60%

[velvet pulsar]

If you'll get rid of all armor at once, there can be scenarios where pillage won't have any enemy to armor strip in order to generate shields for u

[hollow plover]

Sorry but where does the heat come from?

[velvet pulsar]

(unless u have raksa kubrow)

[gleaming falcon]

eh overextended is extremely good as well... again, I haven't played Hildryn in a while, certainly not after the 1 augment dropped

[dense abyss]

the mod Burning hate with incarnon form?

[gleaming falcon]

that was worth the risk back then

[velvet pulsar]

Incarnon form projectile has innate heat

[hollow plover]

Oh the projectile gotcha

I just saw blast on it

[dense abyss]

like, u can use overextended + stretch and put the UmbraIntensify+Blind Rage+ Transient Fortitude (Power drift in exilus) this will give you 253% strength

if using Expertise, u can get almost 10K shield

[copper palm]

Yeah I was thinking transient also

Fleeting expertise?

[dense abyss]

every pillage u will get full shield

[dense abyss]

hell nah

This is what "I" normally use without any shard (exilus total flexible)

the expertise only buff in mission, so this shield is not all u have

[opal leaf]

Who's this?

[velvet pulsar]

Use Raksa Kubrow with Seismic Bond

[copper palm]

Velocity works on her exalted?

[dense abyss]

yes

[opal leaf]

Oh Hildryn

[copper palm]

Wow I gotta try that

[dense abyss]

Balefire is a "secondary", so every mod and arcanes of secondary works for her

[dense abyss]

yes

good call too

I use this for Raksa

this setup is crazy business

btw, if u place red shards u can full strip with 1x cast of pillage

She's very good for ETA/EDA

[velvet pulsar]

It can proc tenacious bond or r u using some specific primary?

[dense abyss]

u just need a primary with good critical chance to use the Tenacious Bond

[inner raptor]

ennervate or flare on ocucor?

[dense abyss]

Flare is overall choice, but i never used with Enervate, only with Flare or Irradiate

[inner raptor]

hildryn is ezpz use arcane expertise, go ooga booga on strength and shards, nuke everything with impunity

use furax amalgalm and fire rate bond and shieldbot kubrow

[dense abyss]

my problem with Hildryn is always the cam angle

i can't see a thing with her butt in my face in the entire mission

[inner raptor]

my problem with Hildryn is other hildryns. nothing worse than hopping on EDA and seeing another hildryn

[versed harbor]

my problem with hildryn is shes enervate slop now

[velvet pulsar]

Getting fixed

[dense abyss]

i'm asking i zoom out for this game the day i started playing (2014)

[velvet pulsar]

Camera offset upcoming next update

[dense abyss]

i did see the devstream, but not looks a gamechanger

[velvet pulsar]

Be glad the enervate snapshot doesn't exist anymore

[versed harbor]

I am :]

[velvet pulsar]

Also Balefire is the only gun in the game to have pure AoE without any direct dmg instance.

Which is why it'll never damage the arctic eximus bubble but will directly damage the eximus inside it.

[dense abyss]

and the Radius scale with range mods, so another cool thing

235% range (Overextended+Stretch) + Primed Fulmination, this thing is crazy

[versed harbor]

so does ivara concentrated arrow except she sucks O_____O

[velvet pulsar]

LoS nerf

DE realized ivara was becoming good in a content other than conservation, which was unacceptable to them.

[versed harbor]

we live in a world where DE thinks ivara is a threat to the game but not saryn

[dense abyss]

i'm just waiting for the Uriel nerfs, because Wukong was killed for less...

[velvet pulsar]

"intended"
"unintended"

In other words: Whatever the DEveloper favors more.

[velvet pulsar]

U see, we r currently in a stage where old warframe playstyle is getting copied to new frames with a reskin, and most people don't realize it.

People accuse Octavia of being boring even though Nokko has basically the same playstyle but he doesn't get treated the same.

[dense abyss]

i just can't understand how they keeps giving skins to Ember

she's so bad after the rework

i never see one in my missions

[velvet pulsar]

About that

DE might be working on a helminth based update.

And old retired abilities are probably returning.

[dense abyss]

the same is Ember with Gauss, they removed her 4 that was exactly the same as Thermal Sunder

[versed harbor]

world on fire wasnt sunder rly

[dense abyss]

c'mon now... really?

[versed harbor]

yeah the only similarity is theyre big range heat abilities

world on fire in current day warframe would be complete garbage cuz it only killed pretty low levels

[dense abyss]

yes

but the rework makes her better? xdd

[versed harbor]

it did ye

[dense abyss]

craaaaaaaaaaazy

[versed harbor]

shes still trash but alot better

[dense abyss]

i think buffs or fixes was better then a rework

but i'm just a player that liked her

now we have Thermal Sunder, World on Fire 3.0

heat + heat + cold = boom, nuke

[velvet pulsar]

"all warframe abilities which only have one purpose; damage, will now deal damage scaling with enemy health"

• the good ending, one day

[dense abyss]

because i remember DE said that the changes was because Ember skill was too powerful and was killing everything without the others playes can do anything...
The same way, they killed Wukong, slam, bla bla bla...

[velvet pulsar]

People r still playing slamkong, people r not playing ember that much

[dense abyss]

I'm just waiting for the Uriel nerfs, because he is in the same spot

every missions, 2 Uriel, they kill everything while flying and even change the status of your weapon

[versed harbor]

I think they changed world on fire more cuz you could basically afk with it but it would tickle base steel path enemies if it was around now

[velvet pulsar]

We have an aura mod which nerfs slamkong but not uriel