builds-discussion

[wary forge]

just use praedos shrug

[latent adder]

Its mid incarnon but sill an incarnon

[gleaming vapor]

me when 160% pv mirage

[wary forge]

or 5 pv infested

those who know

[gleaming vapor]

i could go higher ngl

i don’t have infested

[wary forge]

actually

[sudden plank]

rotation is next week for it

imma grab it, thank you

[wary forge]

strun is very good ye

[latent adder]

But like dont expect it to clear as fast as torid still

Esp if youre just testing in sim or low levels

Strun has better single target dmg than both boar and torid

[wary forge]

way more

[latent adder]

With a decent aoe but its not going to outperform torids trash clear

[sudden plank]

realistically im just looking for a better primary than the torid but im struggling

[latent adder]

If your metric is trash clear you wont

Only thing that beats it is melee influence

And slam

[wary forge]

is ur torid struggling to kill

cause it shouldnt be

unless ur doing level cap

[sudden plank]

hell no. 50m red crit.

[latent adder]

Even at cap u just use buffs its still faster than any primary

If people applied the same amount of love and care to torid as they did to magislam, torid would deal dmg cap

[wary forge]

i mean sure anything can do dmg cap in theory

[latent adder]

2 warframe mods, 1 arcane, riven, 3 shards, buffs

If u put that on torid it has a 0.5s ttk on any enemy

[wary forge]

are u talking about corrosive shards

corrosive shards in 2026 are pretty o7

[latent adder]

primary elec shards

[wary forge]

ic ic

[gleaming vapor]

[brittle sleet]

I gotta start using primary elec shards more

[gleaming vapor]

i have an idea

[brittle sleet]

Would make Koumei mission clearing marginally more comfy actually now that I think about it

[gleaming vapor]

i think i would need a fourth mesa tho

[latent adder]

what, torid mesa?

[brittle sleet]

Though so does Hystrix

[gleaming vapor]

battery

torid incarnoff is multico

idea

[latent adder]

but its single target

cant u just like cedo it

[gleaming vapor]

well if the ideas to hit damage cap

[latent adder]

oh

[gleaming vapor]

also cedo targeting is a piece of shit

cedo mesa is genuinely a sim merchant

took ts into mot and the glaive started to literally just vanish

[wary forge]

mes just sucks 🙂

[gleaming vapor]

she’s fun 🙃

[wary forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1363724808382054520/1495241745900769291/RainbowGlorpass.gif

[sudden plank]

@latent adder and what is the best secondary in your opinion?

[wary forge]

stug

[gleaming vapor]

what’s the metric

[wary forge]

im stugging it

[gleaming vapor]

st it’s vasto

crowds idk prolly dtox or sum

[wary forge]

is vasto better st then furis

[gleaming vapor]

ye

[wary forge]

no shot

[latent adder]

laetum

[gleaming vapor]

jase calced it

[latent adder]

vasto kills the fastest but i aint using it ever

[gleaming vapor]

fair

[latent adder]

u need to swap every shot and recharge every 2s

[gleaming vapor]

but red crit

[latent adder]

i used to be a huge furis and dual tox peddler but ive returned to the OG

[wary forge]

i just only use nukor for amalgam barrel diffusion

[gleaming vapor]

man i have to talk like a damn third grader in here

[wary forge]

since i p much only use melees

sometimes some shotguns ig

[gleaming vapor]

i’d use the darn crit laetum if it didn’t get fricked over by crit

[wary forge]

id use u lowkey

[gleaming vapor]

:sogged:

[wary forge]

:sogged:

[gleaming vapor]

i wonder if crit laetum can work without overwhelming

i’d assume it’s weaker

[wary forge]

id also assume that

[gleaming vapor]

but also

600% external crit

idk what laetums base is that might not actually be a lot

[wary forge]

its like 22%

[gleaming vapor]

it’s workable

[wary forge]

ye

its so easy to get external crit for secondaries anyways

[gleaming vapor]

yeah

[wary forge]

like lowkirkeniually it would be good

more i ponder it

[inner raptor]

It doesnt. Blast procs triggers OA. I use ennervate and never had the problem with triggering OA

[gleaming vapor]

i meant external crit

also laetum is innate blast?

[inner raptor]

No. Rad

[gleaming vapor]

bro I am not building blast laetum 😭

[inner raptor]

Suit yourself

[granite ginkgo]

does the fire rate scale with combo count or no?

[mighty flare]

no

[drowsy pelican]

Rate the build

[wary forge]

u need to max mods

and need over extended

[drowsy pelican]

I have an endo deficiency

And ringing up some of those mods wouldn’t mess up like any build I have

Especially transient fortitude and blind rage

[wary forge]

wait u got overextened already

theres no point to use a rank 6 tansfort tho

thats barely better then augur secrets

[drowsy pelican]

A mod I sadly don’t have

[wary forge]

just take it out for extended

and max strech

[cedar flint]

iirc 1.4 to 2.2k?

i can check after this mission

[crude prawn]

It too low...sorry about the build

[cedar flint]

better than i had before

[cedar flint]

im probably way off

[drowsy pelican]

Woah pal, that name ain’t sliding around these parts

[crude prawn]

You can find out i guess, the last i remember there some lacking

[crude prawn]

I'm just chillax and enjoy this

Trust me, from this name, i earned pretty much

[drowsy pelican]

Is that better?

[cedar flint]

nvm its wayyy higher i was accidentally on unmodded config

[wary forge]

yes

[brave flame]

Kuva Hek build, anyone?

I need the weapon for Doomguy cosplays so I might as well build it

[crude prawn]

Oh nice. Can i ask of how much it deal?

[undone dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1087405008833744970/1449064186423414884/ezgif.com-speed.gif

[cedar flint]

im gonna try capturing a video to accurately tell

[crude prawn]

It maybe funny since there maybe radiation or viral

[crude prawn]

Checkin on overframe for reference build? I read through it and it gonna be fantastic with crit build

[dapper quiver]

so im trying to mod hate cause ive seen it do sum crazy crits on stalker, anyone got a build i can look at?

[undone dust]

stalker has innate high crit so it wouldnt be the same

[dapper quiver]

damn 😞

[cedar flint]

dang hold on need to convert it

[wary forge]

one shot altfire build

[brave flame]

What progenitor?

[wary forge]

mag

[cedar flint]

shuold be fixed

[crude prawn]

I watched it.

First, dang, good fashion Uriel, lookin cool.
Second is yea damage seem off a bit for me, maybe there sth a bit wrong or level enemy quite low to make the viral scale up.

[cedar flint]

\

i ran it on Cassini

it outputs similar dmg in higher level content to0o

[crude prawn]

The merciless might be a reason, wanna check? I got a simulacrum

[cedar flint]

idk what other arcanes to do

[hot herald]

Anyone have a Furax Wraith build using the Amalgam mod for it?

[wary forge]

what is this

[crude prawn]

No, i mean it low. And i still think the first reason

[cedar flint]

aeolak

[crude prawn]

With status build

[wary forge]

u want crit

it has good crit stats

[timber sparrow]

does this lowkey stink

[wary forge]

firestorm on burston

[timber sparrow]

it has a radial attack okay???

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[crude prawn]

Only firestorm but if it can kill, i guesss

[wary forge]

.....

[timber sparrow]

it can kill but i want it to kill better

[wary forge]

are we trolling

[crude prawn]

Just approve at if it can kill or not tho

[crude prawn]

Then fire rate

[timber sparrow]

what would i replace it with

no man i have gilded truth

[crude prawn]

No, fire rate

[wary forge]

seration.....

[timber sparrow]

deadhead tho

[wary forge]

doesnt matter

[crude prawn]

Oh yea, i not see there no serration

[timber sparrow]

do ppl actually put serration with a base damage arcane

[crude prawn]

Okay, fire rate.

Why not?

More damage, more fun

[wary forge]

yes

[crude prawn]

More fire rate, more fun. And if i used an LMG, i love fire rate badly

[cedar flint]

anyone got a kuva sobek build?

[wary forge]

ur not always gonna have deadhead up

[cedar flint]

utilizing acid shells?

[wary forge]

i mean u could like hamer shot or something ig

[timber sparrow]

dont have that

[wary forge]

or go acuity build

[surreal hemlock]

Any1 has a strun incarnon build?

[crude prawn]

Give up on the Aeloak?

[timber sparrow]

f no

so just serration

[crude prawn]

Diana being pampered

[cedar flint]

not entirely but i wanna try out my new Kuva SObek i just got

[timber sparrow]

primed cryo rounds?

[wary forge]

yes

get primed

[crude prawn]

That sick gun, ugh, too good.

Hold up

[timber sparrow]

ok so what about my dex sybaris

[wary forge]

dont use it u already got burstno vro

[timber sparrow]

wym dont use it i like this gun

[wary forge]

i like the stug

doesnt mean i should use it tho

[timber sparrow]

yeah but the dex sybaris isnt the stug lol its a good gun

[wary forge]

https://overframe.gg/build/735781/sybaris-prime/sybaris-prime-incarnon-corrosive-cold-viral-heat/

[crude prawn]

I can see chance at Vin and Para. But hell no, Stug.

I scared of that

[wary forge]

follow that guide

[timber sparrow]

sigh

i kinda wanna drop aptitude and slot my riven

[wary forge]

whats ur riven

[undone dust]

purple i think

[timber sparrow]

mid

everytime i get kuva i gamble on it

[wary forge]

thats not even worth sloting

lowk

[timber sparrow]

i think its cursed

[wary forge]

hammer shot is better then that

[acoustic vapor]

yo big fellas, do yall know if the bs Dmg from deadhead scales acid shells dmg?? 🫃 ?

[wary forge]

it doesnt

[acoustic vapor]

🙁

[timber sparrow]

someone post crab sweat

[undone dust]

🦀 💦

[timber sparrow]

nvm i found it

[wary forge]

check the wiki

goes over everything that can boost shells

acid shells itself cant headshot and it also isnt effected by anyting head shot related

[timber sparrow]

crab sweat (with some bs just to fit)

wait i can put drifting

[wary forge]

why u need dirfintg

when u can jsut go dexterity arcanes

[acoustic vapor]

im nglthe wiki doesnt do a good job of explaiung this info (from prior question) at all, itr doesnt go in-depth with case bty case interactions and even when i goto resupplys wiki its not explaining what interactions can boost the damage and in what ways, i love that we have a wiki, i dont love how much i cant find from what i wanna know, how would we go about requesting info to be added to it?

[plain dust]

You should just know everything instantly

Like a god

[acoustic vapor]

u right mb lemme lock in 🫃

[velvet pulsar]

There is official wiki discord server to request testing and info additions of that testing.

[solar reef]

the wiki explains exactly what works with acid shells

if its related to that

[velvet pulsar]

Or u can ask in the comments section but may take longer.

[wary forge]

i mean i feel like the wiki is pretty clear

[timber sparrow]

no i dont have them

[velvet pulsar]

Well, Kuva Bramma's AoE can headshot.

That's enough for people to ask if Kuva Sobek AoE can headshot.

[wary forge]

based

[wary forge]

oof

[solar reef]

bramma is the exception not the standard though, tbf

[wary forge]

i would suggest getting them they arent that expsnive

[velvet pulsar]

Glaive explosion with gas status also headshots

[solar reef]

its safe to assume that if the wiki doesn’t mention a headshor multiplier on instances like that, then it not present

[crude prawn]

yea mb that one of the last was for crit boost

[solar reef]

this is mentioned in the wiki though in a roundabout way

[timber sparrow]

even then why not drifting theres nothing better to slot xd

[wary forge]

well gas can headshot

[velvet pulsar]

Status chance?

[wary forge]

that makes sense

[solar reef]

it just doesnt have a multiplier

I actually use dual viciss for an Evade setup on my Nekros from time to time

[acoustic vapor]

it doesnt tho, the most unique interactions and nich case scenerios arent in depth on the wiki it explains some but it doesnt explain enough, no where on the wiki does it say acid shells cant headshot, no where does it give an example of damage output witha sample build, it does explain what scales a scondary damage instance on acid shells and what doesnt when using 1 of the big 3 (cyte saryn oroxia), again this isnt a diss to the wiki authors, they are great for this, but saying it explains it well when this is 1 of the most complicated to explain types of setps is false.

[velvet pulsar]

That build example is extremely rare

[crude prawn]

thought it burst corrosive not gas?

[cedar flint]

saving this

[velvet pulsar]

Cyte can make it gas.

[fierce lark]

chaining elec dots can if you're playing it on cyte

i think

[wary forge]

ye it can

[crude prawn]

yea i mean of acid shell that Halen talking about

[wary forge]

the elc proc can not the acid shell itself

[crude prawn]

wait so it change to Cyte already

[fierce lark]

hot hung goalpost movers

gasid shells wouldn't be great

the only reason elec is as good as it is is because of shards

[velvet pulsar]

The only reason why gas version isn't better because the bug didn't get fixed.

[acoustic vapor]

no its not gang, its the entire reason to use the build,acdShls does next to nothing for regular use on atleast 80% of the frames in the game

[fierce lark]

gas still doesn't scale with anything tho, so you'd end up with a pretty weak dot

and im pretty sure acid shells only ever applies 1 stack per target, 1 stack gas is the same aoe as elec

[velvet pulsar]

Gas build will completely change the build however

[acoustic vapor]

rare in the sense its not common overall sure, but atleast 80% of the players using acdshls are gonna use ot on sary uriel cyte or oroxia and maybe garuda for some reason

[crude prawn]

I can understand your confusing situation. People in here not really good at explain tho. But i guess you can check on it yourself will be better.

[gleaming vapor]

gas sobek is used sometimes for arbi for more newbie comps

or gas resupply

[solar reef]

i agree with the latter part
however, we've already mentiioned that AOE generally does not have a headshot multiplier or the ability to headshot in general, and thus its rarely mentioned in the wiki. If there is no mention of it, then there likely is no interaction. It will mention it if there IS an interaction.

[velvet pulsar]

If the bug gets fixed, you're gonna have to mod 2 status duration mods, and the build will change from prioritizing more damage nuke to a longer damage chaining which can continue even when no enemies are affected by status.

[glass moon]

whats the point of using shock trooper for influence builds instead of roar

[solar reef]

Think of Condition Overload. The wiki will not mentioned CO being nonMulti, it will only mention it if it is multi

[solar reef]

not having to mod electric

[crude prawn]

Elemental interaction.

[fierce lark]

bigger elec dmg = higher weighting and more consistent procs

[velvet pulsar]

It's like using landmines which will plant more landmines on explosion.

[solar reef]

also for lots of setups you get less faction damage out of roar than you would a primed faction mod

[velvet pulsar]

Big reason why DE never fixed it.

[solar reef]

unless you just stat dump strength

[glass moon]

alr

so for my praedos i should just use roar instead of shock trooper right

[solar reef]

if you arent using faction mods, probably

[glass moon]

alr

[velvet pulsar]

If u r really using praedos

[glass moon]

is strength more important on roar kullervo

or could i lowk just use arcane strike instead

[solar reef]

mod for qol/survivability first

[acoustic vapor]

i def can see the reasoning for this for sure 💯 i do think however i should've also explaing my question better, i meant to ask since things like toxic lash and resupply scale off of total damage and elemental faction and bsdmg along with headshot dmg boosts' it, I've also heard tht the hdsht multi boosts' AcdShl aswell, would deadhds bs dmg boods the resupply+AcdShl hit? MB for lack of explination, ill also post it in that DscdSrvr u mentioned

[solar reef]

im not a kullervo main but this looks pretty standard

[glass moon]

are there any good fist weapons for kullervo

the guy has a skin for em but i lowk cant think of any good weapons to use it on

[solar reef]

obex incarnon soon 🤑

[granite ginkgo]

fist or sparring?

[undone dust]

thats a sparring weapon you LARPER

[solar reef]

also thats sparring

[undone dust]

im farting

[glass moon]

oh sparring

[undone dust]

furax is the only fist weapon that exists trust

[solar reef]

theres a great weapon for persistence in the sparring category

[undone dust]

coda hirudo!!!

[solar reef]

Coda Hirudo heals on attacks

[velvet pulsar]

...or coda hirudo if u want something similar to fist.

Furax is the only fist incarnon.

[undone dust]

it's the only good fist weapon in general

[glass moon]

what do i run on the coda hirudo

[solar reef]

obex save us

[glass moon]

ninjase lowk doesnt have one

[solar reef]

save us obex

[velvet pulsar]

Hirudo can also run melee doughty, so it can pair with kullervo

[undone dust]

im going to ground finish everywhere

[granite ginkgo]

coda hirudo or kogake prime, and then we got obex incarnon soon

hmm didnt know prisma obex exist

[solar reef]

influslop

[undone dust]

i cant wait for obex inc to be slam slop

[glass moon]

what element do i get for the coda hirudo

[solar reef]

electric

[granite ginkgo]

just build around crabsweat inforgraphic, unless you wanna go slam

[glass moon]

do i just run something like this on it

[undone dust]

which slam is an option that exists since spar melees have slams for their heavies but like

magistar!!!

[undone dust]

basically

[granite ginkgo]

yea

[glass moon]

alr

[undone dust]

man i sure do love influence

[solar reef]

funny enough coda hirudo is specifically bugged with afflictions

as of now it is entirely incapable of proccing afflictions

[granite ginkgo]

mind to explain?

[solar reef]

no clue why

the wiki does not dive in depth on it

[wary forge]

hirudo is great it just sucks that its such low range

[undone dust]

sparrings also have great follow through but yeah, range BUTT

[fierce lark]

sparring stances definitely have some stuff going on

[undone dust]

yo mama stuff

[fierce lark]

ok

[undone dust]

boom roasted idiot

[glass moon]

how much range does kullervo need

[solar reef]

just stretch should be fine

[undone dust]

go max range because it's cool or something

[glass moon]

alr

gonna swap our augur reach for duration then

[velvet pulsar]

Can't wait for people trying to justify its syndicate augment in builds.

[glass moon]

should i just swap out augur reach for its duration version

[solar reef]

thats just preference

[fierce lark]

100-160, ideally don't slot more than just stretch and optionally cunning

[solar reef]

more range = more enemies hit with recompense

but dont get to crazy with range

[undone dust]

god i wish it wasnt locked behind using ground finishers

[solar reef]

especially since you have persistence there for extra security

[fierce lark]

no point using augurs on kullervo in general unless you're trying to push a specific stat

doesn't have shields to recharge

[glass moon]

i mean ion got any other alternative for more duration lol

[undone dust]

must use catalyzing shields on kullervo

[solar reef]

does kullervo have any way to clear status innately

[undone dust]

no

[solar reef]

if not use rolling guard

[glass moon]

are there any statuses that go through overguard

[solar reef]

thats true nvm

[glass moon]

lol

[velvet pulsar]

Constitution

4% more duration

6 more capacity cost

[solar reef]

you could always slot like a parkour mod or something lol

[velvet pulsar]

Absolutely horrendous comparison

[glass moon]

time to forma ig

why is constitution even 13 mod capacity

[solar reef]

https://overframe.gg/build/494014/kullervo/flashing-blades-kullervo-general-steel-path-and-endurance/

i mean heres what ninjase is using

[glass moon]

yeah thats literally what im running

[solar reef]

hes just running augur reach to push out that recompense range

[glass moon]

but without arcane steadfast because im broke

why is that shit so expensive

[solar reef]

theres alternatives to that

[glass moon]

yeah i use molt augmented instead

and more duration so i dont need to cast as frequently

[solar reef]

also you shouldnt have energy problems if you're using equi + companion

[brittle sleet]

Nobody wants to farm Citrine

[glass moon]

energy feels so scarce without nourish

[solar reef]

sounds like a companion issue

also steadfast may be in BOTB

[undone dust]

the humble vosfor packs:

[solar reef]

nvm then

energize is at least

[undone dust]

i love gambling

isnt steadfast in the deepmine bounty pool

[velvet pulsar]

Encumber

[brittle sleet]

I don't think people are crazy about farming Deepmines either anyway

[undone dust]

oh wait its in sp vor's pool

[velvet pulsar]

Which is the reason why encumber prices have dropped significantly than steadfast.

[brittle sleet]

Better but still a drain

[undone dust]

i think

[brittle sleet]

SP Vor is dropping arcanes now? What?

[glass moon]

what companion even generates energy

ion think my nautilus does that

[solar reef]

any companion with equilibrium

[brittle sleet]

Synth Deconstruct on companion generates health orbs

[velvet pulsar]

Synth Deconstruct

[solar reef]

if your nautilus is able to hit enemies, its making you energy

[velvet pulsar]

For energy orbs in case of energize: duplex bond, dethcube, sahasa kubrow.

[solar reef]

but yeah if you have equilibrium, something like nautilus ( who groups), diriga, hound, or panzer (with their aoe/priming) like

you should see huge boosts n energy econ

[glass moon]

this is what im running rn

[solar reef]

should be fine for making orbs

[spice willow]

any tips on how to build my kompressa? using it with yareli prime, trying to get as much blast and damage as possible so xatas whisper hits super hard on everything all the time

[granite ginkgo]

u missing arcane slot, those be unlock once u unlock Steelpath

[spice willow]

but how about mods

[granite ginkgo]

not quite sure to put this, but the proper build need galvanize mods

[spice willow]

without those then, dont have enough credits or endo to make them better than base

[granite ginkgo]

then how about u build, change blast to corrosive, and then heat mods at the end

[spice willow]

blast has interaction w xatas and im trying to build for that

[granite ginkgo]

if that the case add elec mods

here some sample, can use non galvanize/prime as placeholder

[hollow plover]

how fun/useful is gauss?

[solar reef]

hes top tier in pretty much every aspect

very strong as a platformer, probably the strongest shield gate in the game

[silk sphinx]

Not to mention the 100% DR he can hit with Redline (4) and Kinetic Plating (2) when built right

[hollow plover]

is there a build i can follow?

[pulsar linden]

How should I build this around this Riven?

[whole raven]

355 from the build + 25 from growing power + 50 from energy conversion + 75 from tauforged crimson + 60 molt aug + 60 belicose + 200 from brightbonnet + 40 madurai sling + 60 from vome invocation + 50 from power drain (parazon). What else i miss.

[pulsar linden]

I imagine I'm doing something terribly wrong here.

[whole raven]

more forma

[pulsar linden]

I know that but should I build it for status or crit before I invest more heavily?

[whole raven]

status chance, the projectile have guaranteed corrosive proc

[pulsar linden]

Status, got it.

[solar reef]

this is ONLY on the alt fire

the primary fire does not have forced or guaranteed corrosive

its pulled into the status weighting like everything else

[pulsar linden]

Status still?

[pulsar linden]

The alt fire is the screw this guy in particular button.

[solar reef]

https://overframe.gg/build/817442/efv-5-jupiter/efv-5-rifle-shotgun-viral-corro-mag/

[whole raven]

ohhh ok ok i dont know that one

[solar reef]

you’d just use your riven instead of magnetic capacity

the weapon wont amaze you or anything

its pretty “ok”

[pulsar linden]

I don't have most of those mods

How do I get critical delay, it seems fun?

I'll ape the build

[hollow plover]

what should i add?

[fierce lark]

blind rage, thermal transfer, uint/transient

assuming you’re doing full platform

[hollow plover]

hybrid paltform/sunder nuke?

[sharp portal]

Any broken or good build for Follie?

[solar reef]

follie building is almost entirely QOL

her main source of damage (her 2) does not scale with ability strength

[sharp portal]

What does that mean

[sharp portal]

Wait really?

[solar reef]

her 2 scales with enemy level/ehp

She can clear level cap content unmodded

[sharp portal]

I've realized her 3 is really useful with Enkaus and other effects in game

[sharp portal]

I've figured out

[solar reef]

her 3 and 4 both have issues but they arent bad abilities

Her kit is surprising anti-synergistic

[sharp portal]

My only issue with the 4 is you need to aim to deal damage, but hey at least the enemies dont attack (most of them)

[solar reef]

The problem with her 4 is that its outright counterintuitive to her 2

[sharp portal]

Her 3 is strong, but needs a lot of energy to be fully used

[solar reef]

Its AOE armor strip, but her main source of damage doesnt want armor strip since its ehp scaling

it also pulls enemies out of range despite buffing her arch stuff

[fierce lark]

it's a little hard to do hybrid setups, sunder nuke wants max range but weapons platform really doesn't want to run negative strength, and it kinda wants narrow minded

[solar reef]

her 3 is ok but like whats the point of damage reduction when you have literally the best shield gate ability in the game

[fierce lark]

plus the platform setup needs thermal transfer which is a slot wasted for anything sunder related

[solar reef]

like her 1 and 3 dont really go together and her 2 and 4 dong really go together

shes odd

[sharp portal]

Enkaus Synergy at least works, its really broken thay you can deal red damage without too much build

[solar reef]

its still just enkaus

enkaus is ultimately just “ok” even with follie

and doing red crits doesnt mean a weapon is inherently good

[fierce lark]

phallie

[solar reef]

now make the e an s

heh thats called dark humor

relax libshart

[sharp portal]

Deletes entire zones in steelpath with one single forma

Unline other weapons thay needs much more

[solar reef]

so does every other aoe weapon in its category

[sharp portal]

For example

[solar reef]

Torid being right there

Both are beam weapons ones just infinitely better

[sharp portal]

Never said Enkaus was the best, but cant be reduced to just ok

[solar reef]

Enkaus is just really troubled by the hp% required to use its gimmick

its neat, but its literally just “ok”

[sharp portal]

Thats why Follie's 3 is neccesary

Cus is her weapon, that issue literally goes away

[solar reef]

its still an issue for the exact reason I said

its at a low enough hp% that any other aoe weapon could just kill things anyways

like its just nothing crazy

its ok to like it, its a cool concept

[sharp portal]

"That issue literally goes away"

[solar reef]

it in zero way solves this issue

it just makes it easier to get those enemies since they are pre-inked

the hp% threshold doesnt change

literally an aoe weapon can do that at that point without the need to use her 3

I hate to say it but they should have left it in its dev state

it was admittedly way too powerful then but like

where it is now is so meh

During showcase it was at 50% hp threshold for insta kill

[sharp portal]

The complain is kinda nonsense, because most of time you're using the frames's habilities. Even if were using weapons mostly

Depending on a useful skill to make a weapon even more useful sounds like the opposite

[sharp portal]

It does

[solar reef]

the correct way of saying that would be “using a skill to make a weapon compete with better weapons and still be less practical”

[solar reef]

its at 35% now

[sharp portal]

You'd ger mad at me, but it doesn't

At least in enemies ar 300lvl to 500

[sharp portal]

I about in void cascades

[solar reef]

it is 35% lmao

level does not matter

its ehp%

[sharp portal]

I literally made a bunch of missions and I know exactly of what Im talking about

[solar reef]

I’m not sure you do

the wiki clearly states its values

[hollow plover]

oh i was looking through overframe and ninjases build, i was stacking duration before that @fierce lark

[solar reef]

unless the entire rest of the internet is wrong, you should probably read up

[sharp portal]

Wiki's are not always accurate, and from my experience. This one is missing something

Cus I usually do the gimmick at 50%

[solar reef]

“trust me bro”

it is at 35%
DE says its at 35%
Wiki says its at 35%

[sharp portal]

People when you have own critery:

[solar reef]

The criteria is literally just you making it up
the number is hard set at 35%

[sharp portal]

DE could've just moved something or is just the build

Cus I bet my ass it works as I said

[solar reef]

No building affects the hp% threshold

its entirely independent

And no, the %’s havent changed since launch

[sharp portal]

I dont know what to tell you, you're wrong and I can afford it

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-bro-i-guess-bro-bro-what-whatever-you-say-gif-16572066316579867256

Literally every source online is at 35%

You are the only person claiming otherwise

either you’re baiting or you’re stupid

i hope its the former

[sharp portal]

Or I could just know how to use it properly

Cus what you argue just makes sense at least to you

[solar reef]

“use it properly”
there is no using it properly in any way taht changes the required value

[sharp portal]

Follie's 3 my boy

[solar reef]

official DE btw

[solar reef]

this doesnt decrease the required threshold

all follie’s 3 does is apply the inkstain regardless

the hp% threshold doesnt change at all

[sharp portal]

A reminder DE tends to missunderstand or give some desinformation.
Saying Prime stuff is stronger for example, this one may be another cus low hp is not always something below 35%.
A 100% of 5hp is not the same of a 100% of 5,000

As simple as that

[solar reef]

“DE, the Wiki, and everyone else is wrong and heres how i’ll try and sphagetti out of it”

[solar reef]

its true 35%

its 35% of the enemies’ health regardless of the value of that health number

[sharp portal]

You my brother

You are wrong

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[sharp portal]

You dont want to admit because is not something you dont wanna hear

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/hunter-x-hunter-gif-7929913944729651996

[sharp portal]

Someone peaceful doesn't argues with insult intention by the way

[solar reef]

but yeah until you can magically find something that says “no everyone else is wrong and heres why!” you should probably start reading

The wiki will be your best friend

I did learn something new about Enkaus today though

[sharp portal]

The same wiki you all told me is not always a houndred percent accurate as much as overframe? Sometimes this place is an enigma to me

[solar reef]

this is neat

[solar reef]

who is telling you not to trust wiki

Fandom Wiki is not reliable

The Warframe Wiki is reliable

Two very different wikis

[acoustic vapor]

does velocity shards effect forunas speed on her 4 when juist running? also does it count as her sprinting?

[solar reef]

thats just sprint/movement speed

parkour speed does affect lunge iirc

[solar reef]

to follow up on this

The Warframe Wiki is generally the single most reliable source of in-game knowledge available

if it tells you something doesnt work, it doesnt

[sharp portal]

People from the same place apparently, mostly from late hours or other people in game wich says are in this place

[solar reef]

everyone in build chat will tell you to use the wiki

they will tell you to avoid fandom wiki

which is a different thing

[sharp portal]

Im at a point thay I dunno if I can truly trust people here

[solar reef]

Just need to pay closer attention to what they say

[sharp portal]

Im aware they said The wiki

[solar reef]

name that player

surely its not someone who frequents build chat

[sharp portal]

Wasn't only one

[solar reef]

idk man but you have to pull them up and tell them they’re idiots

Anyone reputable will tell you to use the wiki

the reason we dont use fandom is because its generally outdated and is much easier for someone to change blindly

Some of the content there hasnt been updated in 3-4 years

the wiki wiki is up to date on everything though

anyone who does build theory shenanigans falls back to wiki for interactions and information

[fierce lark]

fandom bad, wiki good

[sharp portal]

The matter turns around the fact I've seen many different opinions to the point its annoying to trust a general amount of people

[quartz tartan]

the wiki wiki still tells me that the Vaykor Syandana's circles glow when channeling

[solar reef]

surely not….

[fierce lark]

eventually you'll start to recognize names here of people who semi know what they're talking about

[solar reef]

curse wiki dev for not bringing my niche syandana page up to record

[quartz tartan]

I finally joined the WFG discord to try to get info on what to look for in a Latron riven, and I get to bring up my niche syandana info

[sharp portal]

Yeah... Im not waiting to some extend, because its confusing when you get a radical different opinion of the stuff you're building constantly

[solar reef]

the usuals

if you hadnt gotten your answer already

obviously something like -Infested is managable as well, just not preferred

[quartz tartan]

Wiki dev is in good company tho, Flawed Reflection STILL reduces damage taken when blocking while channeling.

[solar reef]

this is pretty funny

[old charm]

I’ve been keeping Excalibur related things up to date on the official wiki

[brittle sleet]

This is probably true, you just have to have access to channeling as a mechanic like a TRUE Warframer

[quartz tartan]

Did... the thumbnail used to feature rhino...?

[solar reef]

No clue

[quartz tartan]

huh, it did.

lol that info is right.

[brittle sleet]

Only thing I don't trust the wiki on sometimes is update speed

[old charm]

If its not right on the official wiki, just update it. It still requires us to do that since it doesn’t seem like DE is

[quartz tartan]

thumbnail changed in 2023

[brittle sleet]

But that obviously gets sorted out with time

[solar reef]

usually within a day or two yeah

[quartz tartan]

hilariously, I used to have a channeling build because I haaaated the combo counter, so I just crit-and-channeling-bonus'd my way into damage.
I was one of like 5 people using channeling.

[solar reef]

old channeling was neat

i liked it

[solar reef]

like recently?

thats a very odd thing to just have going on

aside from slash dash/heavies being fixed has anything else actually changed

[quartz tartan]

ah... am I looking for negative puncture, or is there being +puncture not ideal?

[solar reef]

you dont want -puncture

the reason its listed there is because people blindly buy -IPS and thus it has more market desire

the foot note is there to remind you its not necessarily always a good thing

[quartz tartan]

aaahhh...

[solar reef]

i personally do not think its a good negative to have

[quartz tartan]

Having to choose between ammo 52% ammo max, 172 damage 160 crit chance and 108 punct, 85.tox, 148 damage now.

[quartz tartan]

yeah, latron is basically ALL puncture

[solar reef]

removing its largest ips + you cant use flensing spikes

it removes roughly 25% of total damage, which can be balanced out effectively by status weight

but once again, Flensing Spikes

you also cant use riddled target

[old charm]

It was entirely wrong and not updated from techrot encore stuff. Even then, the damage multiplier for slash dash has been wrong for forever, including how it scales with venka prime

[old charm]

There’s still probably a ton of stuff that’s not correct or updated on the official wiki since it was a copy+paste from the fandom one. I’ve updated all the Excalibur relevant stuff but if its a sign of the whole state of the wiki, I would recommend verifying anything on there

[solar reef]

Flensing Spikes isn’t a must but for most frames Riddle Targets is

as the other buff requires you to sit at 1.2+ movement speed

TLDR; you can make do without puncture but you shouldnt since you lose build variety

that said, if you get a godroll with -puncture its very much still a god roll

it just means you have less options for evo’s

[quartz tartan]

Like, I really want the Toxi-Visicak, but the Crit chance is just the harder to get stat, isn't it?

[solar reef]

both mid

you dont want +puncture

its best left at neutral

i’d say left is better

[old charm]

I got me a heat/cc/cd/-puncture latron riven that goes bam bam with the primed cold mod

[solar reef]

like i said its not a bad negative

still very much usable

[old charm]

Pre jade shadows, -puncture was like literal trash, now a days its a great status host with -puncture

[solar reef]

i’d still much rather just have like -zoom or -magazine capacity

[old charm]

Really depends on how you’re using it

[quartz tartan]

heh, it's temping me with a heat-cold-mag riven. not too exciting though.

blast-and-mag just sounds like the next fused element mod

[solar reef]

yeah thats why i’d rather not get -puncture
basically bars me from using it in more than one way

[old charm]

Its been a while since ive touched latron, but -puncture with a blast setup is far more likely to blast with its final status chance and the weighing

[solar reef]

.

My only real gripe with it is that now evo 2 requires you to have a frame with 1.2 movement or higher

[old charm]

Something like heat/-puncture I’d prefer for blast over heat/-zoom, but that’s also why I got it a while back, to run blast

[old charm]

On the Paris Prime, I just use Amalgam Serration to fix that, but so can okina prime incarnon

[solar reef]

i too have learnt to cope with unsavory riven - through external methods

you are not alone in this

[cobalt kite]

how do you increase the mod capacity on a weapon to 70?

[inner raptor]

just roll more - 99% of riven rerollers quit before they get the god roll

[quartz tartan]

godroll but -130% fire rate

[solar reef]

cannonade

[quartz tartan]

the cannon roll

[old charm]

Cannonade! 🙂

[solar reef]

but yeah cope is so real

[old charm]

I like -ms for stuff because primary acuity is a vibe

[wary forge]

f tier range o7

[solar reef]

wallahi i am cooked

[old charm]

Oof

[wary forge]

4.3 no p reach is still p good

[solar reef]

i chose to forego arguably better rivens QOL wise for the sake of better numbers

[wary forge]

im just ragebaiting that riven is nice

shame its f tier

[old marsh]

finally a cannonade enjoyer

[solar reef]

i could have gotten one with -finisher but the CD and MD were like C-B tier and literally shaved off like 20% of my final damage

[solar reef]

yeah but I can honestly live with it given what weapon/use it is

[old charm]

I run toxin/magnetic dual ichor, so cc/cd/range/as are basically worthless on it

[modest vector]

hello people..... i was just wondering what i shud get on a hate riven for a influence build is it just the usual cd cc then whatever for 3rd

[solar reef]

this is for a magnetic setup and CD and CC still matter for it

[old charm]

I’ve rolled and sold a few ‘god rolls’ but the riven i actually use on it is toxin/magnetic/electric/-eff which is literal S++ tier for my build

[quartz tartan]

who's the cephalon in charge of Rivens, again?

[old marsh]

no

[old charm]

Magnetic vortex for clouds?

[solar reef]

colored numbers cratch the brain

[modest vector]

den wat i be tryna get

[old marsh]

sell it. make plat. buy skins

[novel bear]

Why would cd ever be worthless?

[solar reef]

but yeah I know they dont apply to the clouds

[old charm]

I stay away from range on rivens since its almost always worse than primed reach, so mod slot wise, things get really cramped

[quartz tartan]

Cephalon Samodeus got jokes

[modest vector]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-shrug-cat-cute-bye-gif-16444872

[inner raptor]

m.prime nova with dual ichor is funny

[solar reef]

majority of your damage is being done through tox cloud DOT’s

Crit doesnt play into it

[old charm]

The clouds don’t get cc or cd, so you want dmg% and elemental for it. I have a lot of content on my yt about dual ichor vortex and its absurdly good. Self sustaining level cap viable death clouds

That’s why my toxin/magnetic/electric/-eff dual ichor riven is the literal god rolls because of how it scales with furious javelin too

[quartz tartan]

gotta use both, get +7.1m range on that skana

[old charm]

But you can get something like dmg/electric,cold/range,as/-harmless and then use a 60/60 mod to get magnetic

[quartz tartan]

Samodeus REALLY got jokes now

[old charm]

I used to run dmg/electric/cd/-eff rivens, had like 4 of those for skana since I used it as a stat stick for slash dash as well pre techrot encore

Was the ‘god roll’ stat stick for slash dash

Dual ichor as well, I ran dmg/toxin/cd/-eff or my tox/cold/ele/-eff as a stat stick for slash dash since you’d get the +SC% from that and +CC% from Wrathful Advance

[quartz tartan]

I'm using this for my main melee just because I like Prisma weapons....

[old charm]

I didn’t get skana prime specifically back in the day, so I use prisma as well. Skana imo is one of the best influence hosts because of its first +9 combo on undamaged evos which does proc with influence. So you can get full combo in two hits

[quartz tartan]

I've been using a.... less than optimized build for mine....

...."less than optimized" is putting it maybe a bit too lightly.

it's still cutting archons in half when I get lucky though

[solar reef]

have you by chance changed your build at all since your tutorial from so many years ago

with tox/cold/elec

-HE

[old charm]

I didn’t start making videos till post techrot encore particularly because of how intense the build requests got. I’ve quite heavily tested the triple element versus my older dmg/toxin/cd/-eff and others. The important part is the weighing between toxin and magnetic

[solar reef]

that doesnt answer my question

[old charm]

Oh my Dual Ichor build guide it hasn’t had to change at all from a few months ago, if that’s your question

[solar reef]

ok so

[old charm]

Same with the riven recommendations

[old charm]

Yeah that’s exactly what I’m running

Its like a 3:2 tox to magnetic ratio iirc

[solar reef]

ok give me a second so i can assure all the modifiers are the same

[quartz tartan]

It's also dealing 2K's on Necramech faces on (normal) descendia with "can only hurt the weak point" modifiers, so I still think my shiny skana's neat

[old marsh]

question for Zenistar. was thinking of putting some forma into it. worth building for crit? its base CC is 10%

dont u dare say using WA

[old charm]

I think a dmg/electric/range or as riven is just as good, you’d just use the 60/60 or 90% cold mod to force magnetic. It really depends on what attack speed you want. I like the base with +10% from Excalibur because I’ve spent so many years playing it

[solar reef]

where would you slot a faction mod in your roll to even out the comparison

[old charm]

I don’t use faction mods ever, never needed to, never want to

It really depends, if you want the clouds to do insane damage, you do need some extra modifiers like roar, eclipse, nourish, furious javelin

[solar reef]

this is solely for the sake of optimization/build comparison

without external factors

[old charm]

I’d say probably either for galv steel or blood rush then for faction mods

[solar reef]

i'll compare on my current setup for saryn after

[old charm]

Since neither of those apply to the clouds

[old marsh]

yes u do. its called ||roar|| and dont u deny it

[solar reef]

this results in even lower final numbers after removing BR

[old charm]

For Dual Ichor, nourish performs better overall, especially since you can stat stick exalted blade for slash dash and benefit from energy/sec

[old charm]

The clouds don’t crit, so they don’t benefit from cc/cd

They’ll get stealth bonuses though, so sometimes look like they crit

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/the-joke-superman-flying-missing-the-joke-not-getting-the-joke-gif-16558902

[solar reef]

after playing around with it for a while slotting of Primed Fever Strike seems to help its numbers the most when taking a bane into account

[solar reef]

the damage calculator takes this into account

but the numbers are still higher when crit is involved in the build even for the final DOT damage

[old charm]

Roar does make them go brr though, lol

[old charm]

With Saryn, I know people run some different stuff on dual ichor since influence is actually decent with her, being able to still get the +5 combo from toxin benefit

[solar reef]

i use vortex ichor on saryn as well

[quartz tartan]

Q; can the clouds hit body parts that increase the crit tier?

[solar reef]

im about to run your setup on my saryn calc to see if I can optimize better

[old charm]

The clouds are 0%/1x and aren’t affected by universal crit

[old charm]

Saryn’s BIS riven might be dmg/ele/cold/-eff, the problem with it on everyone else is like what happens when verglas is weighed viral versus heat. I’m honestly not sure how toxic lash or w/e works, if it applies toxin elemental % or an extra hit though, never played Saryn 😄

I don’t consider power leveling in SO ‘playing’ for reference

[solar reef]

yeah after mathing it out i'd be losing about 70% of my dps on my saryn

[old charm]

Just make sure to pay attention to the weighing between toxin and magnetic. Idk what the exact optimal ratio is, but 3:2 for my setup seems to work really well. It only needs 1 magnetic to really function

[old charm]

Are you talking cloud damage or regular melee damage?

[solar reef]

hold on nevermin had the wrong timer setting

[solar reef]

both together it takes DOT and physical into account

you can see them separately though

ok so i only lose about 40-45%

[old charm]

I do a lot of practical testing in my builds, haven’t ever tried using calculators. A lot of simulacrum and then specific mission testing

[solar reef]

(this is with bane over tox)

[old charm]

Oh, so bane is worse than toxin??

[solar reef]

results in higher numbers

doubles them in fact

[old charm]

Yeah I’d figure as much, I just don’t like the idea of bane mods so i stay away from them

As long as the weighing of toxin to magnetic isn’t ruined from that, then it should be better in my mind

[solar reef]

here it is with my exact setup on saryn

without the bane i hit between 70-100m

[old charm]

Seeing DPS and TTK calculations does make me cringe tbh

[solar reef]

say what you will, they have their purposes

in my case i'm just trying to min-max my vortex set-up numbers wise without adjusting my comfort too much

[old charm]

Yeah, I used to have to do nonsense like that playing WoW with using Recount and stuff in buildcrafting, kind of wish i had it for Warframe in game, but its probably a good thing i dont… lol

[solar reef]

its a hastle

[old charm]

If you’re using roar though, I imagine faction mods are worse

And with nourish, you probably want toxin as well to prevent it from ruining the toxin status chance

[solar reef]

i ran it replacing every other mod

primed fever strike being removed resulted in the least loss

obviously this is only thanks to your riven having tox on it

otherwise i'd have been stumped on what to take out

in the end its not worth switching over for me sadly

im just milking more out of what i have now

i want to push it past the 350m dps mark without changing what i have on companion/frae

currently sitting at this, i can reach it if I drop my yellow shard for another green, drop aegis for augmented

but in the end i just cant handle that because i have a fat skill issue for shield gate

[old charm]

So I bought that toxin/cold/electric/-efficiency back when they nerfed dual ichor clouds not proccing influence. Technically a toxin/electric/cold/-efficiency would be even better since you could lead it with tox to run viral/electric

But I’ve probably rolled dual ichor rivens over 3000 times since testing various setups, I even had a blast/tox riven to run blast/tox/mag

[solar reef]

my setups got nourish already for viral

[old charm]

Yeah I imagine overall though to get more toxin stacks. Its hard to tell how many you actually need, but you don’t want to have your viral or magnetic too high

Its still heavily reliant on stacking toxin, where that blast riven was just hilariously bad

[solar reef]

my modded stats (save for tox) are getting super far outweighted by corrosive

[old charm]

It was toxin/cold/heat/-finisher iirc, order on cold/heat i dont remember

[solar reef]

but the numbers dont lie, where im sitting at is getting me the best numbers ive managed with any combination of riven

i hate it because the negative irks me

[old charm]

I would run the heavy gunner testing in simulacrum to gauge it, I’ve found that a very good measure. Whether it goes super critical or not

If its not doing enough toxin damage, it won’t self sustain

[solar reef]

what level are they again

its corrupted right

[old charm]

I test them at cap, LR5 cap previously whatever level that is

Yeah SP corrupted heavy gunners, 225 or w/e

You can’t do eximus but you’re probably aware of that by now

And you can unequip companion for it since its not like the clouds get tenacious bond

Sometimes it takes 2-3 groups to get it self sustaining too

[solar reef]

on corrupted gunners my setups still getting better numbers

[old charm]

With a faction mod?

Not surprised

Also, the triple element riven scales particularly well with furious javelin

[solar reef]

your setup with the faction as well

[old charm]

Nope, ive never put faction mods on dual ichor

I have tested roar, but i found nourish to be just as good and better for the build

Running it without panzer since I like smeeta still

[solar reef]

no no no

im saying i optimized it to this setup with a faction mod

[old charm]

Yeah that makes sense, its like having roar versus not having roar for the clouds

Generally they can’t self sustain in my test without a subsume like roar or nourish, can’t with just furious javelin alone

In real missions like level cap missions, they’ll self sustain across the map and hit millions in like ospvc

Fissure bonuses help a lot 🙂

[solar reef]

after running it a few times against corrupted gunner the numbers are closer to 3.0-3.8, with the ocassonal 4.2ish

[old charm]

Seconds?

[solar reef]

mil dps

on paper

[old charm]

Oh, yeah I don’t even get to see the numbers in my simulacrum test

Too many to see

[solar reef]

im seeing 3.7ish the most with your setup

[old charm]

When i run a high strength setup with either nourish or roar, the clouds in my test don’t even group them and they’l just kill them outright on the first hit

So the whole platform is covered with them and multiple stacks

[solar reef]

specifically with the saryn preset

[old charm]

Yeah, I figure with the triple element riven, it scales particularly well on excalibur because of how furious javelin works

[solar reef]

im looking at 4.3-5.0 on my build for it

so much less of a difference against corrupted heavy gunners than against generic "Grineer"

[old charm]

Is the orokin mod applied to corrupted heavy gunners?

I genuinely don’t know since i simply don’t use faction mods

[solar reef]

i switched their faction multiplier to grineer

[old charm]

I’d just try it out in simulacrum and in something like titan, saturn. You can sit in a corner and let the clouds do their thing even in that

I think I have a couple videos showing that too

[visual zodiac]

Guys I think I messed up real bad I tried to cross over my Android account with my PC account and now my Android account is on both PC and Android and I don't know how to switch for my old PC account my PC account is mr15 well my Android is brand new and I don't want to restart over these are more than 400 hours of gameplay

[old charm]

You have to select a primary account for the merge thing

And not mess that up and delete all your progress lol

[solar reef]

on generic grineer paper-track im looking at a 40% decrease in final dps (measured at 30 seconds) when switching to your set up

against corrupted its much more comparable though

[old charm]

Idk what to tell you than just test it in simulacrum or in real missions if you’re doing this on Saryn

[solar reef]

i could probably find a few situations/frames where your setup is better

[solar reef]

real missions dont give me effective numbers

[old charm]

My setup is specific to Excalibur, remember

[solar reef]

i am aware

which is why i reoptimized it for saryn (+ bane)

i am actively trying to improve my build for saryn, you're just the only other person ive encountered with an effective, high numbers build

[old charm]

So far the best measurement is the simulacrum test, using specifically the steel meridian one

[solar reef]

gotta try everything

[visual zodiac]

I mean both accounts are still exist but I want to switch between them does it matter which one is the primary I want my PC account on my PC and my Android on my Android

[solar reef]

i could be a cop out and drop my casting shard for another green

[old charm]

Yeah I’ve had a lot of people asking about Saryn, but not in crazy depth

[solar reef]

shes easily the best platform for vortex ichor

[old charm]

Are the toxin shards additive to elementalist?

[solar reef]

they read as "external elementalist" in calc but im not sure if they are actually additive

ill check wiki rq

the big thing with green shards is that they also effect tox lash

[old charm]

None of my Excalibur builds are specific to Dual Ichor vortex either, its usually a drop in effective melee weapon that companions with Slash Dash, like running high strength nourish with a Slash Dash afflictions EB setup

[solar reef]

wiki says its additive

[old charm]

So I’ve never found the toxin shards worth it over others for those builds since they’re partially built to support dual ichor vortex

[old charm]

You know what might be funny, getting rid of elementalist, BR and galv steel to stack more elemental damage, even Spoiled Strike

[solar reef]

but yeah the big deal is just tox lash

those 3 green shards are a 135% increase to tox lash damage

[old charm]

If you already have 3 green tox shards, elementalist is probably worse than toxin%

[old marsh]

Perigale Acuity/MS build if anyone can share

[old charm]

If you swapped primed fever for faction, putting primed fever instead of elementalist

[solar reef]

halved the damage

not enough sc kicking through it with that setup

actually no

roughly the same as previous set up sometimes doing a little better

let me run these numbers again

with that setup you're only getting about a 10% decrease to my setup on corrupted

on regular grineer paper this difference is much more exaggerated at about a 60-65% loss in dps

but that corrupted gunner number seems much more reasonable

so ultimately our setups perform very similarly (with faction slotted over elementalist on your setup) with a minor 10-15ish% difference in damage

on a setup using roar your numbers are probably a good bit higher since i dont have a comfortable slot in for faction on mine

ill need to keep your build handy for if I ever decide to use it on a Roarframe

[old charm]

I also simply avoid bane mods since they’re antithetical to my buildcrafting philosophy. Universality and versatility is what I build for, but I’m not surprised its better, especially without a source of faction damage

I do consider the fact that almost everyone has something like roar on their kit, so the probability of getting that is already high in standard public missions

One of the other rivens i rolled for dual ichor is a dmg/range/sc/-eff one that’s a nice general purpose testing setup. I think its what I use on my afflictions variation, with a difference stance too that triggers afflictions with the block neutral

[solar reef]

the biggest bullet im having to bite with my set up is the F grade range

I cant even get around it with the evo since I also have -Combo Duration

using three dexterity aecanes im sitting at 27.6 seconds but I’d like to not have to lose any to start

[old charm]

Personally I’m perfectly comfortable relying on the toxin evo and some extra cdur on my heavy weapon. I do always prefer -efficiency on my rivens though, even -finisher can feel bad when I regularly run Excalibur without a subsume

[opal leaf]

Huh? What do you mean?

[dense terrace]

What is the recommended status damage for Sagek Prime for Cyte-09 to use with his 2nd, as well as Gauss' shock trooper (replaced the 2nd with shock due to arcane aegis build) with thermal transfer

[gleaming vapor]

gauss doesn’t have shock trooper

that’s volt’s ability

[rich plinth]

It was so long ago so you might've changed the build already, but I definitely wouldn't run the Lantern augment. Even if you want to keep lantern, the augment buff is very useless imo. Especially with narrow minded nerfing lantern radius. You can already nuke everything with a good build so the augment doesn't really help.

Then you can get rid of energize if you run equilibrium. And also armored agility is not worth it, if you're using it for a lil bit of defence. I'd say if you don't do super long runs and go to level cap and all that, you won't be needing any defensive mods on Titania. I mean.. I do have Vazarin for emergencies tbh lol (Madurai is way better tho if you want the best school for her, free ability strength, casting speed etc.). You also have the last gasp waybound from Unairu that you can run with any school. So I just stopped caring about the defensive mods especially on Titania. And if you do go for defensive mods, just go for the brief respite build with catalizing shield. She's squishy alright, but only when she's out of razorwing. I wouldn't bother with defence on Titania unless I wanna level cap. I'm speaking from experience ofc. I don't even use the tribute buffs.

Oh ya, I personally run precision as her second arcane. She has other options, but I just use precision. Alright that was a long yap for such an old comment. I'm a new player, but I think playing Titania 24/7 in every mode (except spy) since I started playing (that's 3 months of playing just Titania) is enough experience for me to tell you all that.

Edit: okay I'll say that my fav is actually Gyre even tho I play Titania so much. Idk just felt like saying it XD.

[feral oak]

Hello there, picked up Nidus recently and wanted to ask what mods should I prioritize getting for him?

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/i-ain’t-reading-all-that-happy-for-u-tho-happy-for-you-tho-sorry-that-happened-too-long-didn’t-read-gif-9353839682789985827

[old marsh]

overextended, umbral mods from story and blind rage.

augments too

all of them preferrably but we will see which ones to use

[feral oak]

Thanks!

[viscid bane]

Anything to improve besides exilus slot?

[old marsh]

heavy attack wind up speed mods

[viscid bane]

instead of what though?

[old marsh]

blast. also be aware that when u hvy atk, the heat will combine with electric to make radiation. so maybe not the best combo

[viscid bane]

I guess killing blow instead of ppp could work

[old marsh]

syam has always been a weird one tbh. but since u r focused on heavy attacks a LOT, u might wanna use reflex and wind up speed

[viscid bane]

but that's loosing base dmg

[old marsh]

if u just wanna influence spam, that works too

[old marsh]

not exactly. CO and KB r multi for the heavy atk.

[old charm]

I would use the 90% electric mod to better weigh for electric. I can calculate out the result to see if its beneficial. Its especially impactful if you fit Weepign Wounds into it.

You also want to do it based on the heavy attack damage, not the normal attack

[viscid bane]

Yea, I've been pretty much just heavy spammig

although my gripe with that that it sometimes behaves weirdly with level geometry

[old charm]

Its primarily why I don’t use it, but I test Syam all the time

Its a very good weapon, but the pathing for its wave is miserably buggy. I’d rather it just work like Exalted Blade’s

[viscid bane]

so something like this then?

but I gotta forma it again for Dispatch 🙁

[old charm]

Scroll down and show the heavy attack sheet damage section

[viscid bane]

also any significant difference between blast and gas?

[old charm]

I find gas far better, but in this scenario, you’re getting poor weighing either way

[velvet pulsar]

Keep it limited to "I'm sorry for what happened."

[old charm]

I’d almost argue with this setup, to drop galv steel and use weeping wounds instead with gas/electric instead

[viscid bane]

I am using it with WA so...

idk if dropping influence and elec for exposure and amalgam organ shatter would be better

[old charm]

The problem with influence on a build like this is if your status% isn’t high enough to get at least 50% chance on electric each time, its not going to work that great

The % difference in total damage, so 144/496, then multiply that by the final status chance

[viscid bane]

yea it's like 20%

[old charm]

In this case, +120% from galv ele is 120*0.34 at a base of 34%, which is 40.8+74.8% for 115.6%. So thats 33.6% with conditional procs

[viscid bane]

not counting for weeping

[old charm]

If you threw in weeping wounds, it would probably get it over 50%

it gets really tight having 3 elemental mods which is why the BEST rivens now a days usually have 1-2 elements on them for this kind of stuff

[viscid bane]

I have a riven for it but I wanted to roll one for Strun

[old charm]

Its fairly difficult to roll multi element rivens since the order of the elements can matter depending on what you want it to do. I have quite a lot of blast rivens and also triple element rivens.

They stack from the bottom up, so an electric/heat/cold/- riven would be forced blast/electric unlesss you put something in front of it mod wise

In this situation, the only thing you can efficiently replace in that build with a riven would be the heat and/or cold

Syam’s disposition is low, so it would actually help the weighing of blast to electric

[green gyro]

that's only really the case for syam and okina

where you want single mod blast

[quaint adder]

Q: does contagious bond change the status effect ownership from player to pet?

[latent adder]

only on the set of new statuses created by contagious bond

if you used a primer with heat to apply first stack of heat you maintain ownership

[old charm]

I just use toxin only on okina

[quaint adder]

hmm, I wonder is this the case with Gas too. Cat was causing waves of death amongst the enemies with bond procs

(cat farts are deadly)

[green gyro]

ye that's really bad compared to other options

[warm obsidian]

Aqua Blade Yareli even viable for SP?

[green gyro]

not really

[dire merlin]

would anyone have a good coda pathocyst build ? i heard its strong, but the build is a pain

[old charm]

Guaranteed toxin/cold/viral from the daggers works plenty well, can even run corrosive with exposure

[green gyro]

sure but it's just worse in every way compared to influence.

blast influence or pure elec

[old charm]

Yeah, I haven’t been able to find a particularly special build for coda pathocyst

[green gyro]

you can do whatever you want. run without incarnon and mods if that's what you like. but there are objectively better solutions

[old charm]

Daggers don’t proc influence iirc

[green gyro]

they do if you have something to get rid of the pure cold

that's why you'd run blast, so the cold combines into that

[old charm]

The daggers from what I’ve seen still always proc cold

Its a problem with okina and melee influence slash dash

[green gyro]

yes, they proc 10 stacks of cold and then whatever the modded elements are

[old charm]

Err melee afflictions*

Like I run toxin because they’ll proc tox/viral/cold, so you shouldn’t need blast for them to proc influence if they do

[green gyro]

you said pure tox

[old charm]

Yup

[green gyro]

so you just get viral, and no influence procs

you need elec to proc influence

[old charm]

You’d get cold/magnetic/electric similarly

[green gyro]

??

[old charm]

They combine and have forced cold

[green gyro]

please read the wiki, you can only get influence procs on daggers if you have blast or viral modded

[old charm]

I just have to test it again myself once I get back on my PC, I should just write down all the interactions I test, I don’t remember the results all the time

[green gyro]

I am telling u

it's not complicated

[old charm]

I still don’t find okina incarnon a good influence host

[green gyro]

it's the 2nd best influence melee in the game

[old charm]

Relative to influence being OP on plenty of other things, like venato

[green gyro]

Nami solo is the only melee that beats it

it's so much better than venato

[old charm]

Forgetting about things like xoris?

[shut rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-wave-emoji-cat-wave-cat-wave-gif-17826137474354671565

[old charm]

And exalted blade?

[shut rampart]

Is this about best influence melee?

[green gyro]

nope

Nami solo is the best espam influence melee

[old charm]

Venato is quite interesting with influence since you can spread its new augment and tau with it

[shut rampart]

Yeah its nami solo

[green gyro]

for glaives falcor wins

[old charm]

Oh, I don’t talk about espam melee, that’s never how I’ve played the game

Still, Exalted Blade wins that argument unless we’re only talking about equipped melee

[green gyro]

ok I'm out

[old charm]

Even Kuva Ghoulsaw enters the argument now with how great its basic attack is

[green gyro]

enough pwf for today

[shut rampart]

Bye

[valid mountain]

how do you guys build Follie ?

[chrome badge]

i go max range and strength with 100+ duration

mostly since the duration is for her 3 which alr has infinite duration

the range and strength 1 and 3 as well

[mighty flare]

you can look at: https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1487164102379049051

[dire merlin]

Nooooo

[old charm]

Its a great weapon, I just can’t really pin down the ‘best’ way to run it

That’s kind of a good thing, really

[shut rampart]

@dire merlin

[dire merlin]

ty !

[shut rampart]

@latent adder is mag a must have for coda bubonico?

[latent adder]

Nope

U can do radiation too