builds-discussion

[brittle sleet]

When flaws with a build are brought up, address them as such

[solar reef]

and yeah its funny

[brittle sleet]

It can be cool to build suboptimally for comfort but that's gotta be acknowledged as such

[solar reef]

Iirc the exact cap for integer on crit is 255X

which is comically high but its very much achievable

[brittle sleet]

Paracesis is definitely not a good weapon but you sure can set up to do jank with it using the right buffs... just like any other weapon really

[opal leaf]

Is it still consider spaghetti code? I'm hitting checkmark so I know what is a spaghetti code and what not

[crude prawn]

if you can make the Vinquibus and Paracesis better without Mirage, then yea, you can stop being sensitive at someone's loving for weapon tho

Then yea you can return and slap at my faace

[brittle sleet]

Spaghetti code is kinda a meaningless phrase if you're just trying to classify things as spaghetti or not

[crude prawn]

So stop bragging, sensitve people

[opal leaf]

Ah gotcha

[solar reef]

you’re greatly misunderstanding what everyone is saying and trying to twist it into a personal attack against yoy

which we are not doing, we’re simply saying to stop lying about your damage numbers

[brittle sleet]

Nobody's being sensitive you're the one acting butthurt about the damage numbers and build being critiqued lol

[crude prawn]

No, i will end it up at if you can make those did the damage

[opal leaf]

Vinquibus is having an acceltra treatment rn?

[crude prawn]

so that is all, when you just say this say that, meta this meta that

[solar reef]

what are you even talking about

nobody saying anything about meta

[brittle sleet]

Don't be surprised when, while trying to help newer people, others call it out and point people towards mathematically supported solutions

[formal glade]

question about rhino iron skin, in the I-frame part where u absorb damage for more overguard, does strength affect it more or the armor? trying to down some armor for more durration for roar

[solar reef]

we’re just saying to stop lying about your integer cap damage

[solar reef]

gotta check wiki for it, iron skins weird

[buoyant patio]

Don't think so, it's just equal to how much damage you recieve during the I-frames.

[crude prawn]

i did not since it happened and got a clip of it?

[opal leaf]

Wait who's lying about integer cap?

[crude prawn]

lol then did it then

[brittle sleet]

Prioritize strength regardless since it'll help other abilities

[solar reef]

they hit -2.1b and are claiming they are doing 2.1b

which is just not how - numbers work in warframe

[opal leaf]

Did they kill it too?

Or just dealt that damage

[solar reef]

yes, it was a heavy attack on basic steel path enemies

obviously they died

Thats no measure of damage

[opal leaf]

True

[solar reef]

But the point i’ve been making is you shouldnt flaunt -2.1b if you aren’t actually seeing +1b-+2.1b

especially blue numbers, as its just a sign of crit overflow

not damage overflow.

[brittle sleet]

This convo is motivating me to get back to Higasa void bullet shenanigans

[crude prawn]

i can flex at the weapon i like but people not tell out the better way and start saying im a liar

oh so sad, i gotta cry

[brittle sleet]

Sure man let us know when you're back

[crude prawn]

oops even typo

[solar reef]

you’re literally just ignoring the point we are making

You’re flexing something that isnt what you’re trying to flex

[opal leaf]

Thing is as far as I understand... That damage rotated if it reach the integer cap. It can't reach that high number he is doing so the game just rotate integer system on the negative side

[solar reef]

you absolute CAN hit 2.1b on it, but that specific instance you delt is not 2.1b

[buoyant patio]

They either aren't understanding the math behind this, or there's a language barrier in play.

[opal leaf]

Mmm I see

[solar reef]

i’d reckon its the latter

[solar reef]

for reference hes just using Nourish Uriel, no CO

which is NOT going to net 2.1b

[opal leaf]

Man that's bullshit hahahaha

[crude prawn]

well i replied at the most "heavy" of the topic

[opal leaf]

I doubt... I highly fckin doubt

[crude prawn]

and im happy that i can build my Vin/Paracesis like that so im looking forward to see moreee

[opal leaf]

Uriel? With no CO?

[solar reef]

you ignored the main point of what we’ve been saying and jumped to “meta this”

I think theres a massive language barrier here

[opal leaf]

True

[hexed lodge]

that or supreme bait

[crude prawn]

meta? or Flexing topic?

I jumped to meta or stayed at flexing?

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[opal leaf]

Yeah language barrier

[solar reef]

yeah theres definitely a language issue

[wary forge]

Sonion

[opal leaf]

Ain't no way hahaha it's definitely misunderstanding of language

[solar reef]

“to be or not to be” ahh response

[crude prawn]

Well there again, cannot agruing and have to bring in the langugae issue 😭

[brittle sleet]

I love when I flex the fact I'm using a weapon people don't acknowledge - every hipster ever regardless of the quality of anything they're doing

[crude prawn]

such a great day to see so many have to use this way

[wary forge]

What

[opal leaf]

Top tier baiting I suppose, not falling for that

[crude prawn]

Oh that's sad

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/vegito-vegito-gansta-vegito-suit-drip-vegito-bait-used-to-be-believable-gif-315651423676567245

[crude prawn]

okay so let me in short, i just want to motivate people to be back with some old-fashion weapons

[hexed lodge]

the argument could be summed into this...

• ballas: my build is great, i did X thing
• malz: ok... but that's not X, that's Y
• ballas: why you calling my build bad

[brittle sleet]

We knew they were a baiter, they support Ballas

[opal leaf]

The attitude and the response? Too clear... Like seeing in a clear glass of water

[brittle sleet]

You could do that pretty well if you learn the math behind the builds 🙂

[opal leaf]

Reading back, that's literally what happened 🤣

[solar reef]

instead of blinding flexing integers? yeah that would help

lol

[crude prawn]

Oh you even misread me, resum at the last. "Those are my favourite weapons and i love i had made it."

[opal leaf]

And false assuming and begin to baiting?

[night laurel]

a master... no... i shant

[crude prawn]

They now have to make it like from something to proud into something that consider "a flex"

[opal leaf]

I shalln't

[hexed lodge]

my dear tenno, i love jank and off-meta stuff... but the plane completely flew over your head

[crude prawn]

No, it just you ignore the fact that, you did make-up the meaning from my words

[opal leaf]

Tbh it's the whole "you wrong I'm right" stuff again

[crude prawn]

If i asked you which words representing that, would you?

[crude prawn]

it not wrong or right, it justifice. Misleading, misreading can cause many problems tho.

[solar reef]

But yeah TLDR, this can all be summed up as a language issue. He clearly can’t understand the point we’re making, and we clearly can’t read his incomprehensable language.

[opal leaf]

Where and when... I'll ask you that

[hexed lodge]

i should get this person into fishing... they have really good bait

[inner raptor]

Imagine hijacking the build thread because of your narcissism. Very ballas indeed

[crude prawn]

That's what i asked you, cause you have to prove that which of my words make you be told to have a thought like "Why you calling my buld bad"

Yall just get in, so i demand the proof to prove of what actions of mine cause the consequence

[brittle sleet]

Cool but you're in builds discussion where people will try to optimize your build if you post it, improve it

And you said you wanted to influence others to use off-meta weapons

So you're mixing up your own point

[twilit crest]

tl;dr paracesis is buns ballas aint that guy build the magistar

[brittle sleet]

I'm glad this can be a logic exercise for everyone witnessing it even if it's not at all productive otherwise

[crude prawn]

And you forgot what i said before: "I am looking forward to see it be better." And i posted in here to see if anyone have a better build for it. Or it that damage is suitable enough.

[brittle sleet]

CRABSWEAT is a better build

[crude prawn]

I still ask the proof of what made me to be seen as a person that bragging.

[brittle sleet]

Depends what you wanna build it to do though

[icy urchin]

random question that i somehow dont know already, do mods that increase status damage do anything with statuses like corrosive and viral? or is it only things like heat, toxin, electricity etc

[crude prawn]

i'm serious with what i love, Paracesis and Vinquibus. I love those two weapons so i posted it on with like a proud of myself to find out a way to make it through forthem

[brittle sleet]

Looking for kills per second? Single target burst damage? Weird utility like grouping with Magnetic Vortex?

[opal leaf]

Any statud

[brittle sleet]

Well no

[opal leaf]

No?

[brittle sleet]

You can't boost the status damage of a status that isn't doing damage

[crude prawn]

You can check on a mod, as i remember

[opal leaf]

Ahhhh gotcha

[crude prawn]

i dont know why they let it be there

[hexed lodge]

Status damage only increases DoTs damage, forgot Blast existed
Status chance increases the chances of getting more of that element on the enemy

[icy urchin]

oh i didnt realise that, yeah melee elementalist specifies only the damaging ones

[brittle sleet]

Slash, fire, elec, toxin, gas, blast, and also gotta mention the elec proc from magnetic procs

[crude prawn]

Electric Virals is something that i feel so good at

[brittle sleet]

"Good with" would be a more natural way to express what you're saying

[icy urchin]

also is there any limit to what combinations of stats can appear on a riven, like it it technically possible to get like cold, toxin, and electric on one riven

[brittle sleet]

It is possible

The order can be different too

[solar reef]

you can get all three

[brittle sleet]

Which will be meaningful

[solar reef]

Rivens read from bottom-up

[brittle sleet]

So if it's
Cold
Toxin
Elec
Then you get corro+cold

[solar reef]

its just that you typically dont want all three on one riven

its bad for status weight and theres generally just better options to slot in

usually you only want dual status rolls on weapons with bad riven dispositions

[timber sparrow]

i have a corrosive cold riven for the ..glaxion vandal?

[brittle sleet]

Too many useful mods that have elements stacked onto them already tbh

[timber sparrow]

i dont remember what gun it was

[solar reef]

glaxion doesnt have a vandal variant

[hexed lodge]

i'm guessing they are aiming for a CO build, if so, it might be best to get more statuses from Debilitate/Encumber or your companion instead

[brittle sleet]

All Glaxion variants use the same riven designation is all I know offhand

[timber sparrow]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Glaxion_Vandal so this gun doesnt exist

[solar reef]

oh thwre is

wow i stand corrected

Anyways, you’d use tenet glaxion instead

[brittle sleet]

iirc Glaxion Vandal is an essential part of arena Endo farming though

[timber sparrow]

what???

[brittle sleet]

Can't replace with Tenet in that instance I wanna say

[hexed lodge]

Oh?

[timber sparrow]

its not essential

[brittle sleet]

Yeah true there is variance to Endo farm meta

I remembered it being more rigid

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13y8HIYBsi1WiY0JfO6mSLHENbd34LKn3iz9RwsVikw0/edit?usp=drivesdk sauce on it being a move though

[timber sparrow]

poor lecta farm 😭 😭 😭

[brittle sleet]

God forbid a weapon's farming niche be meaningful

[old marsh]

i smell Lecta augment in next NW

gonna be the next Venato

[timber sparrow]

if i bought magus anomaly for plat i actually wouldve offed myself

[opal leaf]

In what gun and situation Corro Heat would be useful?

[brittle sleet]

Scourge 🙂

[inner raptor]

Debilitate or vs grineer. Viral heat scales better for all the other no armor enemies

[old marsh]

kompressa p

[brittle sleet]

Corro+heat is still valid with external viral application but the meta priority ever since armor changes is viral heat/elec for sure

[opal leaf]

Oh

Guess it's really not a general stuff

[old marsh]

sadly yes. viral just triumphs as a superior status.

[brittle sleet]

It can be general with external viral like I said, just, you sure do want viral on literally everything

[quartz atlas]

Hi! Can I ask whats a good weapon for yareli prime? I've been using Dex furis but its damage is too low to use and been having a hard time using it

[old marsh]

wish other statuses were equally good. like let us strip armor with just 5 corr stats, let magnetic do 6x dmg on OG & Shields. let toxin do x4 dmg to hp directly

[opal leaf]

Correct me if I'm wrong

Slash was the reigning king of statused before Jade shadows right?

[solar reef]

this plus ripkas gotta go nuts

[old marsh]

rad needs a full rework

[old marsh]

yup

[opal leaf]

Gotta add that to my history notes

[solar reef]

slash is still good its just worse than the other DOT’s for the most part

Excluding weapons like Scythes that can force proc it at comical damage numbers

[brittle sleet]

Of damage statuses, yes. Viral was still extremely important

[opal leaf]

OK let's go back to Corro Heat

I assume Corro Heat is used quite often used in Cascade. Correct? (still learning do don't attack me)

[opal leaf]

Hmmm I see, gotta take that note too

[solar reef]

if you have no other sources of armor strip, yeah

[opal leaf]

So in fissure SP Cascade, it's always Grineers right?

[brittle sleet]

Should probably look into the whole cascade grinding server if you really want to dig into that topic

More the place for nuanced answers specific to that

[old marsh]

nope. either grineer or corpus. it depends on the timing

they rotate

[solar reef]

cascade server is evil and feral

[wary forge]

Fissure is always grineer

[hexed lodge]

even when Corpus take over, fissure overrides it with the Kuva Grineer

[wary forge]

Normal sp rotates between grenir and corpus

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-catstare-cat-stare-sus-catglare-cat-glare-gif-14942558849944709546

[plain oak]

So, um, I went to overframe for a kuva ghoulsaw build and came up empty handed.... how to I find something worthwhile?

[opal leaf]

Use Overframe as a Reference Build

Don't copy some stuff out of it

[crude prawn]

yea i dont really know how to say it, thank for the fixing, But is that the way to tell that i enjoy the Electri + Viral?

[hexed lodge]

You only use the cascade server for groups and guides, avoid the chats

[old marsh]

aah. that makes sense. ngl, i cant even recall if i ever saw corpus in fissures. just mentioned coz i remember the normal sp bounties

[opal leaf]

OK back to Corro Heat

So in cascade, Corro Heat is mostly helpful then

Plus the Grineer faction mod and you'll be goated in damage and such in SP fissure cascade

Right?

[old marsh]

corrupted i think

coz fissure converts some to corrupted

[opal leaf]

Hmmmm

[old marsh]

but grineer mult still applies

[opal leaf]

I see I see

Gotta take note

[old marsh]

so i guess yes

grineer mod will work for all

[opal leaf]

I'm bringing Gauss to Cascade that's why so I'm preparing. Not like my other test runs

[hexed lodge]

can someone confirm if an enemy getting corrupted changes their faction weakness? like yea wiki says so, but in mission when I use the Simaris scanner, it still says "grineer" instead of corrupted

granted that was like 2months ago but still

[old marsh]

i remember having this discussion and realized that why bother when i can just use roar

[hexed lodge]

facts lol

[old marsh]

play smart. not hard

[hexed lodge]

||fk it i'll make a real test today||

[solar reef]

if you arent running roar you should be using faction mods at that level

even a regular, non primed faction mod if you must

[opal leaf]

I see I see I'm running Melee Gus with roar on his 3rd

[inner raptor]

you couldve had double dipping weapon mod-free blast or heat with his 3rd + bane mod

gauss base kit is so synergistic its insane. most frames have skills that skew largely on one spectrum

[solar reef]

his three is for the bonus damage element, right?

kinda stupid to remove if platforming

[inner raptor]

you can WA his first...

sloppity slop slop

[violet silo]

nuh uh mach crush

[old marsh]

and then there is Wukong. the most powerful anti-synergistic frame in the game

[violet silo]

tbh I’d either subsume over the 3 or not at all

[solar reef]

equinox lol

those who maim

[hexed lodge]

thought that was oberon

[old marsh]

Wukong still more powerful

[solar reef]

oberons kit is pretty synergistic

[hexed lodge]

it is for sure... but passive

[solar reef]

like not in a “this leads to this” way but just in like

it just works together way

[opal leaf]

Oh I can run subsumeless Gus instead right?

[old marsh]

u can use smite with his 4 and/or 2 for 1 tap

[violet silo]

follie’s decent
idk about most powerful, but def not synergistic

[old marsh]

smite on itself wont 1 tap enemies

[hexed lodge]

i do already, topaz shards are great for smite

[opal leaf]

For Melee gus

[violet silo]

if you want the blast damage

[solar reef]

her 4th sometimes actively hurts her 2 and her 2 doesnt use armor in its calcs anyways
her 1 likes shield gate and her 3 likes health/armor tank

[old marsh]

100%. the only frame other than mesa to use those shards

[violet silo]

go ahead

[old marsh]

dont u dare say Qorvex

[violet silo]

exactly

[solar reef]

her kit can be cut into two in any way

its so weird

[hexed lodge]

||i don't use Qorvex so no say||

[old marsh]

so back to Wukong. i guess the only synergy is clone using staff in his 3 and 4.

[opal leaf]

Hmmm I see

OK so.. On config B, roar on his 3rd, I'll keep config c free...

Tho remind me... What does Follow through do again?

[violet silo]

basically, with 100% follow through, each enemy hit after the first takes 100% of the damage

it’s very rare to see

[hexed lodge]

Each enemy hit on the same strike will deal less subsequent damage, say 90% follow through would be...
200 > 180 > 162 > 145.8

[opal leaf]

Ohhhh

So with his kinetic plating, it'll stay as what it is

But it needs to be 100% Redline right?

[old marsh]

thats the goal

[leaden nebula]

anyone have a good cyte-09 build?

[opal leaf]

Alright I see

So in short, more durstion

[violet silo]

you just need redline

however much

[opal leaf]

Oh... Damn fr?

[gray quarry]

Archon flow??

[violet silo]

i don’t think there’s a single redline interaction that requires 100%

[old marsh]

your choice.

[violet silo]

uh
interesting

wtf is going on here

[gray quarry]

Primed is the better choice 2 less capacity

Wait where arcane aegis

[opal leaf]

OHHH THAT'S WHERE YOU DROP THE RANGE!!!

I see now!!!!

[violet silo]

precision intensify? nira? archon cont/flow?

[opal leaf]

Oh my god I'm STUPIDDDD

[violet silo]

steadfast and no aegis?

[quiet laurel]

What

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-dog-bark-ragebait-succesful-gif-13695976480928012940

[primal bane]

Can I use dreamers wrath and truths flame at the same time? It lets me equips both but idk if it’s working

[old marsh]

[gray quarry]

It’s a very interesting build

[violet silo]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-it-gif-24870550

dammit

[old marsh]

took only a little bit tweaking to make everyone rage

[gray quarry]

[old marsh]

[old marsh]

but basically your aim is to have max dur with your standard gauss build

[violet silo]

anyways @opal leaf you want a high range melee for this

[primal bane]

Can I use dreamers wrath and truths flame at the same time? It lets me equips both but idk if it’s working

[violet silo]

nuh uh
MOD RANGE
MACH CRASH

[old marsh]

u can. some players use it

[old marsh]

not for muni build. i want to keep that tiny dur as high as possible

[violet silo]

this is melee…

[primal bane]

And we are venom

[violet silo]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-twerk-marvel-rivals-venom-venom-twerking-marvel-rivals-venom-kao-gif-8612916396515986082

[old marsh]

for melee it will be different. if its solely for redline, dur is preferred so u keep 100% as long as possible

[violet silo]

duration > range > everything else

for melee

duration > strength > everything
for weapons platform

range > duration > everything
nuke

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-william-shatner-agree-agreed-yes-gif-4477489

[opal leaf]

:333

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[opal leaf]

I still have 2 red shards for dura... So I am farming for more hahaha

[old marsh]

now throw in arcane concentration and max out narrow minded. watch it hit 380+

with 5 dura shards it will be 450+

[opal leaf]

I might go all 5 reds on Gauss tbh

[inner raptor]

But muh qol casting shard

[opal leaf]

I have 1 but might change it afterwards

[inner raptor]

If only WA can be spammed with yellow shard instead of having a 1sec cd. Id drop my 5 purples to be able to blink blink blink blink "Nothing personal kid"

[old marsh]

imagine having casting speed shard on gauss lol

on GAUSS OF ALL FRAMES

88% cast speed

[solar reef]

most important shard in the game btw

[old marsh]

throw in more str shards to hit 100

[solar reef]

parkour speed even more important, especially on gauss

[old marsh]

we need blue shards for sprint speed

[crude prawn]

Can i ask what build are you looking for?

[inner raptor]

nah need more blue shard for health/s. what else would you do with your 312123 blue shards

[old marsh]

craft purples

[inner raptor]

reds

[livid abyss]

Should I put on pistol elementalist on the kuva nukor now that I have the mod

[inner raptor]

yes

[old marsh]

srry. u cant craft reds

[livid abyss]

Alrighty

[inner raptor]

use ennervate for crits

[livid abyss]

Time to switch uh, magnetic might off for it

[old marsh]

that reminds me. i wonder why DE never considered shard conversions. say spend resources to change color

there is literally no plat gain for them for not doing it

[violet silo]

don’t dump the range 😭

you don’t even have continuity

[opal leaf]

Yes I do

[hexed lodge]

i would've loved if DE made the blue shards have +cast speed instead, giving me a reason to finally get rid of my large pile of those

[violet silo]

switch narrow minded for primed cont

oh it was archon

[old marsh]

bold of u to assume WF players can read

[opal leaf]

Aight aight

https://tenor.com/view/well-damm-gif-24707970

[opal leaf]

But why not dump range tho? It's mostly useless now as I can only see his 3 for range

[violet silo]

mach crash?

[old marsh]

check augment

[opal leaf]

Ohhhhhhhhh

[violet silo]

yk, the grouping tool that needs range?

[crude prawn]

Why there no shard adding ability range?

[opal leaf]

I thought it's set range

[violet silo]

nah

rare for augments to be set

[opal leaf]

Yeah.... Ohh....

Hmmm... I might resort to no augment Gauss

For more Duration

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[old marsh]

range kills co-op gameplay. 280 is already too much range.

still surprised they havent nerfed Hildryn yet

[violet silo]

it’s melee, the augment is pretty important

[opal leaf]

Hmm....

Damn I was so hyped to put Narrow Minded hahaha

[violet silo]

grouping is valuable

esp with 100% pt

[opal leaf]

Oh wait... Shucks

I have Nautilus!

[violet silo]

you don’t need excessive amounts of duration cuz attack speed is capped

[opal leaf]

Oh that's not what I'm worried about the dura

It's just to make redline goes linger more

[violet silo]

just recast

[opal leaf]

Hmmm

I mean Gus is immortal anyway

So there is no worries on hiding to recast again

But more durstion is just... Cool I guess

[opal leaf]

Remind me again
. The immortality and follow through just need redline to be on right?

You don't need it go to 100%

Just having redline is enough, right?

Right?

[hexed lodge]

don't we have a thread for Gauss advice?

[opal leaf]

Yeah but I'm here for quick stuff

[opal leaf]

What do u think Seva user :333

Tbh I'm at... I just wanna know noe

[hexed lodge]

idk... i only play Sevagoth
||and occasionally oberon, equinox and chroma||

[opal leaf]

Should I buy Oberon?

[hexed lodge]

any warframe is good to have, the question is how early you want it?

maybe give regular oberon a shot and see if it suits your playstyle

otherwise i'd say wait for it to return from the vault or get a good deal

[latent adder]

Only need battery

No redline at all

The follow through is from kinetic plating

[kind bison]

ive been thinking of wether i should keep this build with viral or swap out the 60/60 mods for either explosive with hammershot or raw heat with hammershot

[opal leaf]

Oh! Thanks!

So to review: the 100% follow through from weapons is just from his kinetic plating and full battery, that's it correct? No need redline

I like to repeat it in a way I understand it so that I can see if I really get it

[opal leaf]

Why Vigilante armaments?

[opal leaf]

Did I get it right?

[subtle solstice]

what is heavy attack efficiency?

[opal leaf]

"Heavy Attack efficiency influences how much the heavy attack consumes your combo counter. It usually starts at 0% efficency, which means it drains 100% of your combo counter."

Wiki

[latent adder]

Oh sorry the follow through part does need redline yes

The immortality part doesnt

[opal leaf]

Oh, how much it need? 100%?

[latent adder]

80%

[opal leaf]

This one would take note

[subtle solstice]

why does combo counter matter, ignoring mods that take combo count into consideration? Or is that the only reason?

[opal leaf]

Aight thank you

[latent adder]

Both is about 80%

[opal leaf]

Think of it as this

How many combo you have = multiplies how many one heavy attack you do

(this is just my interpretation, we have literally a builder here so if he corrected me I'm wrong then I'm wrong hahahah)

[subtle solstice]

ooooh

[opal leaf]

@latent adder can you confirm? Sorry for pinging

[latent adder]

Heavy attack efficiency is how much combo u consume on heavy

It takes time to recharge combo

[opal leaf]

So it doesn't multiplies one heavy attack damage?

[silk sphinx]

Isn’t it like, 20 something light attacks to stack 1x combo?

[latent adder]

If u use heavy spam it takes a good 4s to charge back to like 12x

Having efficiency means u go from 12x to 7x, instead of losing it all

[subtle solstice]

is this a decent build for now? Should i build for crit or status?

[latent adder]

And the recharge is cut in half

[latent adder]

Crit raw dmg

Try to get discipline merit or a tennokai

Redeemer can build to x12 and do free heavies quickly

[subtle solstice]

hmmm

[subtle solstice]

does that mean i shouldnt try to build heavy attack efficiency?

[latent adder]

If using tennokai, nah

U dont even need wind up mods

[subtle solstice]

why's that?

[latent adder]

Efficiency and wind up are good for heavy spam

Tennokai ignores wind up mods

[subtle solstice]

i was thinking about doing heavy spam

[hexed lodge]

I see Mesa, you tryna build for Secondary Outburst or??
nvmnd lol

[subtle solstice]

ah ok

[latent adder]

Then yeah u can do heavy spam, get galvanized reflex

[subtle solstice]

alrighty

[hexed lodge]

if not Reflex, at least Corrupt Charge

[subtle solstice]

does tennokai still need to go on if im building for heavy attack spam?

[hexed lodge]

prob not, tennokai does not trigger on heavy attacks

[subtle solstice]

ah.

[granite ginkgo]

anyone got vasca build?
need to focus more on it both precept transfusion and draining bite

[subtle solstice]

does attack speed affect heavy attacks or nah?

[hexed lodge]

Not 100% sure on this, I know Arcane Strike does, but unsure on mods

[subtle solstice]

hmmmm

[hexed lodge]

Draining Bite needs Contagious Bond and a good claw build for it to be good

could swap Vicious Bond out

[granite ginkgo]

only issues it got 120s cooldown

[hexed lodge]

Draining Bite? thought it was shorter than that, like 12s

[granite ginkgo]

check again

[hexed lodge]

that's Transfussion

[mighty flare]

20s

still bad lol

[jaunty remnant]

is there a high rank here who can help me build? apparently i need to bulk buy mods

[solar reef]

your wording has me a bit confused here

what does rank have to do with bulk buying and why do you need to buy mods in bulk to rip

just get one of everything you need

[violet silo]

just to clarify
all of redline’s buffs only require battery to be over the red line (80%). only thing that happens when the redline hits 100 is u stop losing battery

[violet silo]

what malz said but i’m pinging you

I might be able to help with builds

[jaunty remnant]

i'll dm

[violet silo]

no

[opal leaf]

Ohhhhh OK ok

I see now.... So more dura HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-5278044577198354941

[solar reef]

i wish i had real motivation to play gauss because like

i really enjoy his deluxe skin

[jaunty remnant]

bro please, that's a lot of item. If you dont want to see my dm, check #trading I have sent what i need there

[solar reef]

just use warframe marketplace

[jaunty remnant]

like i said, ill get trade limit

[opal leaf]

I mean....

You have used a lot of speed frame

Or optimal or other frames your playstyle

But.... If you want some Kinetic Base Frame

Gus

[solar reef]

i literally do care about thematics

“kinetic” like that does not matter

I just wish I liked his kit

like i dabble in him every now and then to try and cope and its just like

“oh thats neat, i guess?”

[opal leaf]

Ah well it's not that easy to like a frame's kit that is outside of what you like (obv) hahaha

[opal leaf]

That make sense

[solar reef]

like i really do think he looks cool hes just very clearly not for me

[opal leaf]

The frame that is like that rn for me is Caliban and Nekros rn hahsah

Oh and Uriel too

[kind bison]

Multishot

150% crit chance plus crit enhancement chance with vigi supplies

[opal leaf]

You can just slot it in your Sentinel if you're using a robot

You can slot better things on it

[kind bison]

Yeah but thats just the vigi passives right like I dont get the multishot

[opal leaf]

Yes, bc you can slot better ones than Vigi Armaments

On your Burston

[kind bison]

Mate its either or, the vigilante mods arent even in the discussion, should I keep it modded with viral or swap it out for hammershot/explosive or hammershot/raw heat

Which one is objectively better

[opal leaf]

Heat is not needed as Burston has Innate heat already in Incarnon

So take that detail if you want

Viral is just important on Burston

[opal leaf]

It's just waste of cool slot, it could've been stronger but oh well

[kind bison]

I melt steel path and archimedia enemies in 0.3 seconds I really dont build for or play hour long level cap endurance runs that require this optimization

[bright torrent]

I think that for now this is good for my Exergis. Sidenote: The Vigilante Armaments that is equipped is the only one that I have, it is on my other shotguns too.

[kind bison]

Besides I main caster frames

[opal leaf]

You do you, just saying

This is wsrframe, anything is possible

[kind bison]

Yeah people love just saying stuff

[opal leaf]

That's why I just give you my idea on the Viral / Hammer Shot stuff

[kind bison]

Thanks bro

[opal leaf]

I mean when an opportunity is not being met then we will say stuff

Or else how would you know something is up

Options man, options

[solar reef]

its a common slot in for it

increases heat weight and just boosts damage a hefty chunk

afaik if you arent using faction mods that would be the flex slot of choice

it wouldnt be my choice

Ninjase doesnt use it in his viral/heat build either

[violet silo]

idk think you might just not have the right build

he’s pretty versatile

[astral hull]

Heat mod is needed even on innate heat weapons lol

It multiplies to the dot

[rose wedge]

if negate mod is innate on him, does it mean that i don't need to equip one?

[versed harbor]

nah thats just telling you what its exclusive abilities are basically

[violet silo]

not really, no

[rose wedge]

ohh, got it ty

[solar reef]

its not about versatility

I just dont enjoy him

I’m not a fan of him as a caster or a platformer

[violet silo]

hm

[solar reef]

Hes just not for me

its not that deep

[violet silo]

ok

[stuck root]

Basic Cyte with no shards, faction, or pet bonuses somehow turns a 36k hit into a 5.5M status tick?
it oneshot Angst from the blast proc, but that shouldn't be possible without crit? I'm so confused

[turbid relic]

hey im looking for a good gauss build, anyone got anything?

[dense terrace]

Is this build recommened for cyte-09? Or I should focus entirely on damage and crit?

hi

[dense terrace]

@violet silo thoughts?

[violet silo]

neutralizer?

[dense terrace]

no, build for my AK

[violet silo]

ax?

[dense terrace]

AK. not AX :3

[violet silo]

ax-52 or not

[dense terrace]

AX-52

[violet silo]

gas elementalist is a choice

… so is acuity

i’d just do a multishot build with crit decel and crux

[timber sparrow]

thats ordis

[dense terrace]

primary crux doesnt matter for cyte-09 I don't know about more status chance

[stuck root]

I mean 100% ammo effeciency is funny, but agreed

[summer crest]

what should i look for in a sporelacer Riven?

[violet silo]

oh… right, cyte

eh. seems fine.

[opal leaf]

I guess someone lied to me while modding Burston cause I swear you somehow don't worry on modding heat

Damn... Guess I got misinfo'd again

[crude prawn]

What that misinformation? Can i know to avoid it?

[pastel jungle]

any coda bassoscyst buids

builds i dont think ninjase made one

[opal leaf]

Idk too

Someone like 6 months ago in the game. Someone gave me an info that Burston doesn't need a Heat mod cause his Incarnon does heat. That's why I usually go Magnetic in it's place or smth

[brittle sleet]

Viral is the meta pick (partially because it goes nicely with Primed Cryo Rounds)

But yeah it doesn't need heat mods to do viral+heat

What seems wrong for you?

[opal leaf]

Well 2 of the people now say you do, as it's a common mod for Burston

So now I'm confused

[wary forge]

He has

I’m pretty sure

[brittle sleet]

It's true that it's not uncommon to mod Burston for heat, but it's also true that it's not necessary

[novel bear]

You want heat mods to buff the dot

[brittle sleet]

If you're gonna be killing with the DoT anyway

Ninjase standard build for Burston, as an example, foregoes them to kill with raw damage via Acuity

https://overframe.gg/build/505444/burston-prime/burston-incarnon-raw-viral-heat-tier-5-red-crit/ for reference

[opal leaf]

Well acuity is not really in my bag, mostly hybrid ms and weakpoint

[severe bough]

U dont really need a heat mod on burston since the dot is very little u kill with raw dmg. Heat is only there for partial strip

[opal leaf]

Yeah I know this one as I did this before

It's just that in Heat thing and stuff

[timber sparrow]

the burston incarnon does radial heat

[opal leaf]

Well yeah, but noe I'm confused even more

4 of the people say (including u) say it's needed, but some say it's not really necessary

[brittle sleet]

Multishot builds tend to work basically the same way

[opal leaf]

Yes I know that

[novel bear]

Status is low on acuity builds
Multishot builds are applying enough status that you should use a heat mod

[timber sparrow]

to get more heat on every heat that you heat

[opal leaf]

So in my Burston I should remove Magnetic then and slot in Heat?

[novel bear]

Post build

[brittle sleet]

For multishot body hit shenanigans, probably

[opal leaf]

What you see here, is the same build I'm running in Burston rn with magnetic on the last slot

[novel bear]

You need fire rate

Gilded, definitely

[timber sparrow]

lemme hop on the game and post my build

[opal leaf]

OK then no need for a heat mod then

[novel bear]

If you were going to put magnetic or heat on, it would be over serration or scope

[opal leaf]

Hmmm....

Interesting, why?

[severe bough]

u alr got base dmg from arcane or crit from delay

u technically dont need 2 sources of smth

[novel bear]

Scope is also annoying because of how stacks work
They have individual timers

[opal leaf]

Hmm interesting

[severe bough]

thats like the most standard burston build

inf clip can be 60/60

[brittle sleet]

Dropping Serration is doable but does require relying on Deadhead for your base damage

[severe bough]

mag cap is flex aswell as amlg serration. so some unconditional base dmg is nice esp when u lose stacks

[opal leaf]

Aight im editing my Burston later

[timber sparrow]

deadhead is ezz

dont even worry

[opal leaf]

But if it... Turns out shit like... Before so.... Idk

[brittle sleet]

Burston is cool because you actually can comfortably mod it in several different directions, raw damage with some kind of crit source is usually the way it kills but there's a billion tools for it so you don't have to worry too much

[opal leaf]

Alright would take note

The only thing is I need consistency so probably I won't be removing Serration

[brittle sleet]

If you're really wanting to spray and pray, dropping Galvanized Scope becomes something to consider while putting in heat, but Burston gets so much off of headshotting it's encouraged to focus on that

[opal leaf]

Ya, reason I go hybrid with Burston

[fringe quiver]

I have a build question. So when I am building a weapon with low status chance, would I still want to add on corrosive for armor depletion and magnetic for shield depletion? Like I am thinking of Valkyr’s claws specifically but with any gun that needs some pika papow, I would assume those are good elements, but I don’t know for sure if the effects I mentioned work unless the status procs.

[hexed lodge]

If you don't mod for status, then elemental is just used as extra damage and/or focus on faction weakness.
There is more to it with forced statuses, but i don't play valkyr to know if its worth focusing on that

[crude prawn]

I thought Valkyrie already too strong to even need those elements

[crude prawn]

If it in my case, i would not put magnetic or corrosive in. Since it maybe have another advantage based on it being in low status chance

[vast canopy]

what gun is used for the mesa flash bang build

[solar reef]

generally speaking, for raw, yes

[fringe quiver]

She’s powerful but sometimes her big meaty claws aren’t as stronk and enemies have armour in higher level stuff

[solar reef]

For example, if you built solely for raw damage;
primed feverstrike often finds its way into builds alongside exposure for higher raw numbers

rather than for status itself

as it provides more final damage than adding something like another additive damage mod

[crude prawn]

Any example? Currently i'm still fine with her honestly-

[dire terrace]

Mallz

small question,

[fringe quiver]

As of now I can send what I got on her but it will be companion app list and not the sexy mod screen

Nvm I can’t or don’t know how to access her exalted talons on the app. Sorry

[crude prawn]

It okay, maybe one day another time

[fringe quiver]

I’ll ping you when I do

[crude prawn]

Okaay

[maiden cargo]

laetum ermm do i need hornet strike

[solar reef]

did you plan on asking that question or did you just like

ping me for nothing 😭

[bold estuary]

I dunno what im doing with this thing ngl I know the progen is wrong im gonna change it but a proper build first would be wonderful

[hexed lodge]

laetum enervate? that's a thing?

[bold estuary]

crit lateum

[maiden cargo]

2000% dmg node envrate laetum yes

[solar reef]

laetum is better with crit

[hexed lodge]

never heard of it, now i wanna try it

[solar reef]

we’ve ran these numbers before

[bold estuary]

you use this one with it im pretty sure or something similar I only built mine for frames that naturally give crit to secondary's (yareli nyx)

I only use the non crit though

so my builds probably bad

[solar reef]

the only reason people had non-crit setups was because enervate hadn’t existed

[midnight horizon]

Can someone gimme a good build for wukong (as much health and shield as possible)… I’m still new so any help would be appreciated 😭

[hexed lodge]

i only play sevagoth sooo
any crit related weapons always tickle my pirate pickle

[crisp pine]

behold. a working mag build. significantly less comfortable but fairly survivable in SP. Really tempted to just use brief respite to make it more comfortable to use. smite is there to SPITE the eximus and acotyles to turn them in blender material

[bold estuary]

smite subsume?

[dire terrace]

No no i would ask.. but was waiting for a ping to say what is it XD

for the mesa;s exault. what arcane is best?

[bold estuary]

I use breach surge personally

[solar reef]

outburst

secondary outburst + furax

[brittle sleet]

People were always using Galvanized Crosshairs for crit though

[bold estuary]

flare imo with hot shot

[solar reef]

outburst results in the highest numbers

[bold estuary]

it also works with orange shards for more crit

[crisp pine]

the mag experience failure condition with her being completely unable to CC with eximus and acolytes

[dire terrace]

what about fortifier?

[solar reef]

just shoot the eximus

[solar reef]

its an option is just not optimized

[hexed lodge]

...you can still shoot their bubbles? and they can't shoot back?

[bold estuary]

mag uses a lot of ccs and exes just walk out of her bubbles

its REALLY annoying

[crisp pine]

everything still shoots back.

I do not have the disarm

[dire terrace]

soo what would be best?

[dire terrace]

secondary..

hotshots for warframe

[bold estuary]

cascadia flare. and fortifer should be fine if your struggling to live

[dire terrace]

I sometimes do

from jade light eximuses if i stay for less than 5s

[solar reef]

Secondary Outburst

[static sphinx]

Is phlinx the best non primer secondary among kuva/tenet weapons?

[solar reef]

yesn’t

Kuva Nukor isnt just a primer

Its also just better at dps

Plinx is just good at hitting integer cap

[dire terrace]

but how does that work..

[static sphinx]

Is phlinx second best then?

[solar reef]

you use rauta or a weapon with crescendo

[solar reef]

maybe

[static sphinx]

Also, is there any info about how good tenet quanta actually is as of right now?

[solar reef]

but yeah you run this mod on Furax, stack it with as much initial combo as possible, then run crescendo to get up to 12x

Gives you a permanant stick for Outburst and also an extra 45% fire rate

You can also use [Rauta] to get combo

cascadia flare would be second best option

[turbid relic]

is this still good?

[solar reef]

no

[turbid relic]

welp is there a better build?

[solar reef]

Nataruk without Galv Aptitude is crazy work

you have a fat MultiGunCO projectile and you arent isong using

[turbid relic]

brotha can u explain it a bit like im a noob

cus idk what the mf multigunCO is

[solar reef]

https://overframe.gg/build/279221/nataruk/nataruk-bones-of-the-sentient-electric-heat-gas-variations-updated-2025/

[solar reef]

on certain projectiles, the benefit of Galvanized Aptide (or Condition Overload for melees) is multiplicative with other damage mods (serration, pressure point, hornst strike)

rather than additive, how it is supposed to math in

[scarlet mason]

Does tenacious bond work with voruna's 4?

[dire terrace]

so i need a melee and then go to the 4th??

[turbid relic]

nice but i could just change the bane of grineer

[hexed lodge]

bane mods are always a flex slot

[solar reef]

read the description

it provides flex options

[solar reef]

the idea is that you use melee solely for stat sticking for secondaries, yes

Furax being the best for its Amalgam mod

[dire terrace]

oh... what if i dont want to gofor that?

[solar reef]

then dont I guess?

You asked me what the best option was so I gave you it

Just use cascadia flare I guess

[turbid relic]

so its easier to use it with other weapons or like mods and stuff

[turbid relic]

ehh ima just aut install the mod stuff

[maiden cargo]

well its still non crit if not mistaken because envrate requires less cc

[hexed lodge]

9 forma!?

[turbid relic]

hahahaha im a menace

[gleaming oasis]

is there anything special I should know about when modding the Tenet Diplos?

[turbid relic]

btw anyone got any good recommendations for warframe builds?, i need a solid one for anything really

[solar reef]

having enervate equipped immediately turns it into a crit setup

You’re functionally guaranteed crits until you hit red

mind you enervate’s CC is FLAT

so you will almost always be critting

Pre enervate builds actively encouraged you NOT to crit

[fierce lark]

laetum was still better with crit before enervate

[hexed lodge]

that's a really generic question... you mean a good warframe in general or a build for each of those in the sc?

[fierce lark]

it just required you use outburst

[deep grotto]

Yeah that’s a really vague question
We need somewhere to start

[turbid relic]

a good build for one of those that i own, i dont really wanna grind for another warframe

[deep grotto]

Pick a frame you like using

[turbid relic]

cus idk really what warframe of mine are good

[chrome badge]

then maybe

you should figure that out

[static sphinx]

What is best here for general use (mostly independent of frame): tenet quanta, or tenet envoy, or tenet tetra, or kuva kohm, or kuva chakkur?

[deep grotto]

Any warframe can be good 💀
This is why we’re asking for specifics

[solar reef]

yeah enervate just made it that much more convenient though

[chrome badge]

before you start looking for ideal builds

[fierce lark]

tenet quanta prob

[hexed lodge]

all of em are good, what matters is learning the warframe's kit and how to mod them

[turbid relic]

oke

[static sphinx]

Is it actually that good? I thought that either of kuva shotguns or envoy are better.

[fierce lark]

the kuva kohm is pretty mid outside of it completely destroying lephantis/hemacyte

[deep grotto]

I actually haven’t heard anything in regards T.Quanta since it released 😭

Coda Bubo and Kuva Ghoulsaw stole the show

[fierce lark]

envoy is good for crowds but it'll probably struggle against higher level eximus? idk i haven't used it

well the tenet quanta wasn't really anything new, seemingly just a sidegrade to the quanta vandal

but the quanta vandal is goated

[static sphinx]

I guess I should continue farming arca plasmor and quanta sisters then. I wasn't expecting quanta to be good, but I don't mind it.

[deep grotto]

Does that mean T.Quanta is an equal amount of goated or worse?

[solar reef]

Coda Bubo stole the show and GSaw looked funny at the side

[fierce lark]

im assuming the kuva ghoulsaw still sucks

[deep grotto]

GSaw did have a reasonable amount of attention for the sole reason of being funny

[solar reef]

a good stat increase but not enough to make it great

still suffers from the same problems as the initial ghoulsaw

[static sphinx]

It would be a great unicycle if it had a better stance.

[deep grotto]

Butcher’s Revelry vs Wise Razor….

[solar reef]

awkward stance still hurts it

The “good” stat increase i mentioned earlier was just a 20% increase in speed

its just not good

10% cc increase is nice

[deep grotto]

DE is making sure it stays a meme weapon

[static sphinx]

Seems like tenet quanta is worse than quanta vandal after all. At least based on plain stats from its wiki page.

[deep grotto]

Technically easier to get compared to the vandal I suppose

[gritty rover]

I’m making a support centric Jade build focused on her Jade’s Judgement mod, I helmithed Roar to replace Ophanim eyes since it boost the dmg from the augment, and buffs allys as a bonus, and I like the mobility GoH provides.

I’m really asking for how I should distribute increasing Ability Duration (Highest priority), Ability range, and ability strength, what should my mods focus on and what should archon shards focus on for maximum potential?

[deep grotto]

Kind of annoying given that Sisters can be more of a hassle to get than Liches though

[chrome badge]

impossible

[gleaming oasis]

is the tenet diplos' base crit chance too high for enervate use?

[deep grotto]

Bro’s the nosam cutter?

[gleaming oasis]

honestly keep forgetting that its the actual weapon name.

[deep grotto]

Lmao

[gleaming oasis]

iv'e been using this username way before I even knew about this game

[deep grotto]

At least you have something funny to change your pfp to during Halloween or something

[gleaming oasis]

never though of that

is there a base cut off point for base cc to where enervate should not be used

[old marsh]

25

As long as u can get some extra CC from other sources like avenger, hotshot, etc

[gleaming oasis]

so then something like sec deadhead would be better for those kinds or weapons?

while adding cc mods

[old marsh]

Or crux/flare or merciless/outburst
Totally depends from weapon to weapon

[gleaming oasis]

tenet diplos

[old marsh]

Flare I reckon.

Can also use Fortifier to help with Eximus

[gleaming oasis]

so I have max toxin proj. and I assume that should be heat if I want max flare value

[old marsh]

Ideal yes but secondaries have primed heat mod so viral heat almost always is weighted more towards heat.

This is something u only need to worry about with Primaries

[gleaming oasis]

I guess I can go pure viral?

[old marsh]

do u have external heat? Like from Lavos, Uriel, Cyte, Ember?

U need Viral with Heat.

[gleaming oasis]

I have both cyte and uriel. none tho are kitted out

[old marsh]

Still u want the heat mod on secondaries.

It will help with the weighting

[sudden plank]

should i put roar over nokkos 1st?

[vale abyss]

over third i think

[gleaming oasis]

So I still want viral heat then

[old marsh]

Yes

[gleaming oasis]

using the 60% tox proj I have would this work?

[old marsh]

Yup

[mint meadow]

Guys any recommendations of secondary for Yareli?

[fierce lark]

dtox, dtorx, cycron, lex, akarius

[mint meadow]

ty

[fierce lark]

any good pistol that doesn't use enervate rly

(furis)

[sudden plank]

ie been looking to replace the nukor

[fierce lark]

dual toxocyst incarnon
furis incarnon
lex prime incarnon
laetum
coda dual torxica
tenet cycron
tenet plinx
tenet diplos
akarius prime
secondary sporelacer
insert etc. there's a lot of good secondaries

[sudden plank]

i wanted the toxocyst

just waiting for the rotation

[fierce lark]

even cringe ocucor xd

[sudden plank]

well i was gonna do synoid gammacor

incarnon for this rotation

[fierce lark]

if you're not looking just for secondaries, the boar incarnon is probably the best shotgun in the game

i haven't used the angstrum but ive heard good things

can't say the same about the synoid

[sudden plank]

well im trying to get this to output beter dps

[wary forge]

Angstrum is good

[sudden plank]

torid btw ^

[elfin sluice]

angstrum is fun.

[wary forge]

Primed firestorm on Torid

[elfin sluice]

angstrum is another incarnon that charges off of bodyshots

[wary forge]

This build and also Torid in general doesn’t do that much damage

[fierce lark]

i wouldn't use firestorm on torid, it has insane coverage already, you want more damage so that it actually kills whatever you're hitting with it

[sudden plank]

what would you replace with it

[wary forge]

Why is your riven

What

[sudden plank]

still rolling

[fierce lark]

electric, and then i'd drop cryo rounds for elementalist

[wary forge]

Ok take out firestorm for vile acceleration

[fierce lark]

would also suggest deadhead over merciless, it's not hard to get headshot kills at least on your initial targets and merciless has upkeep issues if there's delays between packs

[wary forge]

Serration for elec

[fierce lark]

i still mentally don't register lack of fire rate mod since im always running rbond 💀

[wary forge]

And cryo go toxin

[fierce lark]

don't need toxin on torid

[wary forge]

You just want a status mod

[scarlet mason]

Does voruna's 4 benefit from tenacious bond?

[sudden plank]

torid already procs toxin

[wary forge]

Actually ye don’t go that

[fierce lark]

this is the standard torid build

your riven would replace primed cryo rounds

and if you're running reinforced bond or harrow/fr arcane you can run elementalist or bane instead of vile accel

[wary forge]

He doesn’t need seration tho

Bane would be way better or hamer shot I guess

[fierce lark]

bane, elementalist or hammer shot over serration yeah didn't see dmg on the riven

[elfin sluice]

one of the torid's selling points is the reduced aim requirement of its incarnon charge

[sudden plank]

was just thinking this

[wary forge]

You don’t need to try and get headshots tho

It just happens

[fierce lark]

i fail to see what that has to do with getting headshots with the incarnon form

[elfin sluice]

deadhead would be stupid for those who care about that

[sudden plank]

all the change adds is a 30% to headshot multi

[fierce lark]

if you aren't regularly aiming towards heads with a beam weapon, you're just playing incorrectly

like that's fine by you if you want to do that, but it's a fundamental gameplay error

[fierce lark]

that's not even why people run deadhead

it takes 3 kills to stack instead of 12, and stacks last 20s instead of 4

[old marsh]

Any reason why Merciless with serration? Usually I would drop either one

[fierce lark]

so that things can actually die while you're unstacked

[wary forge]

Faction mod is better then seration it’s just people don’t want to use them

[old marsh]

So remove merciless and add crux

[sudden plank]

electric makes me run radiation and viral

[fierce lark]

Serration/Amalgam Serration - gives additive damage to Primary Merciless but very useful when at 0 stacks of merciless i.e. during periods of low enemy spawn or between rotations so you don't constantly drop to 0 +damage.

[fierce lark]

you need your riven next to your heat mod, and the electric mod in front of them

[wary forge]

Faction mods are very good on Torid just not everyone likes to use them as well

[elfin sluice]

read wrong, this could lead to magnetic gas

[sudden plank]

are we trying to just proc electric or get corrosive? because torid has toxin natrually

[wary forge]

then u just move the mod around

[elfin sluice]

electric-heat cold-toxin

[fierce lark]

you are trying to get blast corrosive

[old marsh]

It’s year 2077 and we finally get a universal faction mod

[sudden plank]

kk bet i got it

[wary forge]

roar 🙂

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[elfin sluice]

chuckles in riven mod with 3 banes

[sudden plank]

which bane would you run?

[old marsh]

That’s one racist riven

[fierce lark]

the uh

one for the faction im fighting

[sudden plank]

https://tenor.com/view/right-yeah-right-yeah-oh-yeah-ohh-gif-14553729619893238098

[fierce lark]

if you cba to use configs to swap banes/you're fighting a faction without a bane, just use rifle elementalist

[elfin sluice]

(in the case of multi-faction missions, usually the tankiest - orokin on fissures, for instance)

[wary forge]

torid does fine in 95% of the game u really onl need a faction mod if u want to do like level cap

[sudden plank]

kk just need to max out my deadhead quickly

[wary forge]

but like in terms of doing the most damage u wanna use a faction mod

[fierce lark]

i would run vile acceleration in place of either elementalist or hammer shot, unless you have reinforced bond permanently active

[sudden plank]

yea it holds up better

[wary forge]

if you like torid u would like boar its legit toruid but jsut better

[sudden plank]

gotta grab a riven if i do allat

[fierce lark]

you in fact do not need a riven to make top 1 weapons good

[sudden plank]

lemme go cop a boar p

[velvet pulsar]

Sure, lemme get its prime...
Oh wait.

[pastel summit]

I am trying to optimize a Heat Inherit setup, pondering some things if anyone has advice.

(Uriel / ?primary, Epitaph heat primer, Affliction/CO Hate Incarnon)

With Heat Inherit, my understanding is the first instance of damage applies the mods and sets the DoT damage, so ideally it's a red crit with high heat. But it doesn't seem like the online builds choose base damage or crit damage, opting for extra 60/60s or fire rate instead. What am I missing?

Does tapping into other statuses crowd out your chance of getting the heat proc on a single fire of the primer? Is heat with +viral alone worth it (at 2 mod slots)?

[old marsh]

Yes

[wary forge]

oh wow boar p set is 80 plat

thats a lot lowkey

[sudden plank]

ya just bought one lol

[wary forge]

ive had my boar for like 10 years but damn

[velvet pulsar]

Haven't been out for a long time

[old marsh]

Bo Prime was over 100p. Lots of weapons r

[velvet pulsar]

This resurgence was supposed to be mag & rhino for boar, not nyx & rhino

[old marsh]

Think Vectis P is over 100p

[sudden plank]

okay i got boar prime incarnon how do i build this bad boy

[wary forge]

ah ic

[pastel summit]

to all of it?

[wary forge]

incarnon on mode

[velvet pulsar]

A magnetic mod

[sudden plank]

and what routes did you take

[velvet pulsar]

What to be in replacement of that faction mod?

[wary forge]

salvo, ready retaltion elementalist bane

[wary forge]

seration

point blank i mean mb

[velvet pulsar]

I assume the magnetic mod is covering fire rate

[wary forge]

ye boar doesnt need that much fr

it lowkey is to much with shotgun barrage

[velvet pulsar]

TBH I forgot what else did vendetta give other than MS.

Maybe RS

[wary forge]

ye vendetta kinda mid but thers not really any other arcanes

idealy u go overcahrge

u jsut want as much multi as u can get on boar

[velvet pulsar]

I haven't noted what's the max MS on vendetta

[wary forge]

this the hybrid build

[velvet pulsar]

180%, so almost half of Overcharge

[wary forge]

yeah u also have to be 5 meters for it to trigger

[velvet pulsar]

Many frames can proc half of Overcharge but need energy above 90% to maintain the buff

[wary forge]

Evo II: Salvo
Evo III: Ready Retaliation
Evo IV: Critical Parallel

[sudden plank]

ty sir

[wary forge]

ye its still good even at 200% ms

which most frames can do

[misty wadi]

Gauss + Akarius + Energized munitions is high-key cracked? Actual carpet bombing

[wary forge]

if u think this is cracked wait until u try mirage akarius

[wet scroll]

any suggestions ?

[misty wadi]

What about Mirage Akarius?

Never played her

[sudden plank]

mirage

900% dps increase

[misty wadi]

That does sound intriguing

[wary forge]

she bascially has 3 akarius equiped

[misty wadi]

Is there any ability on her that could be shelved for energized munitions though? Akarius ammo economy is rough

[wary forge]

do you have melee influnece or no

[wet scroll]

idk what melee influence is

[wary forge]

its an arcane

[misty wadi]

A really oversaturated one

I honestly try to avoid it wherever I can, it's fun for like the first few builds then it becomes boring

[wary forge]

do u have weeping wounds or no

ur gonna need weeping wounds and blood rush

as well as condition overload

u need a lot basically

honeslty if youre new and a melee thats lower invest i would use xoris

well actually u need influence

are those all the melee mods u got leveled or no

[wet scroll]

no i don't

[wet scroll]

yes

[wet scroll]

i don't have blood rush tho

[wary forge]

ok

[wet scroll]

so i use weeping wound instead ?

[wary forge]

yes

i guess u would go like blasdt corrosive or something

or just blast

[fierce lark]

there's a recent video from coolkid explaining how heat inherit works (and why it's really bad with uriel), but tl;dr the first source of heat dot will carry over its modded elemental & faction damage bonuses into all future stacks on the same target

it does not carry over crit or status damage

[wary forge]

take out jagged edge for weeping wounds

[wet scroll]

i meant instead of what

[wet scroll]

alr

[wary forge]

what was the thought process of jaged edge

[fierce lark]

actually a more accurate description is that heat status on a target will only be affected by elemental & faction damage modifiers from the initial source

[wet scroll]

more slash dmg ?

[fierce lark]

so if you're uriel, and you have your 1 active, and your 1 applies a dot to something, and then you shoot that something with a heat weapon that has a bane

your modded heat damage and your bane will not affect the heat dot in any way

[wary forge]

u dont want to mod ips mods

on litteraly any weapon

[wet scroll]

isn't ips a kind of monitors ?

[fierce sapphire]

So im modding jade, can the alt fire of glory trigger Archon Stretch?

[wet scroll]

are you still typing ?

[fierce lark]

probably so, but glory drains energy over time so you can't benefit from archon stretch while you're using it

[wary forge]

no its impact punctrue slash

u dont ever put those mods on your weapon

[undone dust]

the humble motovore in question: (peak.. trust)

[fierce sapphire]

Yeah but in the simulacra I just have enough energy to activate glory, use my 1, and use my alt fire a few times before I lose all my energy. I guess the stupid easy answer is to get more efficiency, but I don't have a good way to get any

[wary forge]

even on moto they still cope

[charred gale]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[wet scroll]

alr

[wet scroll]

alr

[versed harbor]

ye :]

[wary forge]

just do weeping for buzz kill and hgo either corrosive or blast

corrosive gonna be better most likely

[undone dust]

do gas cold instead

[solar reef]

would it be worth running truth’s flame for the parkour speed alone on a light spam build

https://tenor.com/view/hmmmmmmm-hmmmmmm-hmmmm-hm-hmm-gif-2339932555530048784

[fierce sapphire]

Its funny, its not the fact that glory drains my energy, its actually that channeled ability, like high on glory, force archon stretch to not given you energy while active. And realistically im going to be in glory form alot.

[sudden plank]

this build is buns compared to torid

[wary forge]

its not

[sudden plank]

im literally testing it right now lmfao

[wary forge]

try the hybrid build then ig

[sudden plank]

@fierce lark im gonna need your boar build because both those linked builds are garbage.

[wary forge]

lol

ig ninjase builds are buns ive used those builds up to leve lcap with no issues multiple times

[gleaming vapor]

same

[gleaming vapor]

do you have incarnon by chance

[sudden plank]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-to-space-camp-welcome-gif-26126401

well that was a waste of my time back to torid

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/gabagool-shon-son-im-crine-james-gandolfini-sopranos-gif-5632752440652965130

[wary forge]

@latent adder is ur boar build bad

[latent adder]

No? But r they comparing it to torid or something

[wary forge]

ye

[latent adder]

But why

[sudden plank]

because they said the boar was better...

[latent adder]

Its obviously not gonna outcompete torid

[sudden plank]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-thank-you-bow-steve-carell-gif-5009516783019270794

[gleaming vapor]

boar actually does stuff in incarnoff

[solar reef]

fools like us can’t comprehend the mind of those who’ve ascended

[wary forge]

the actual gun like overall is better

[gleaming vapor]

even with multico torid incarnoff is a piece of shit

[latent adder]

Torid is stronger , but both are mid af without buffs lol

[gleaming vapor]

even with mesa 1

[latent adder]

Use strun

[gleaming vapor]

only like 21m

rip

[wary forge]

rip

[solar reef]

are there any primaries that provide passive movement speed buffs through like incarnon evos or is it just a. serration

[gleaming vapor]

it does do the funny thing tho

[cobalt kite]

anyone got any xoris build reccommendations?

[gleaming vapor]

clouds get boosted by bullseye

[latent adder]

Perhaps telos boltor

[gleaming vapor]

which is neat

[solar reef]

truth?

[latent adder]

If u get syndicate buff randomly

[gleaming vapor]

truth nvke

[solar reef]

doesn’t that require you to use the weapon though

or does it just apply to the whole loadout

(I was considering using truth’s flame solely for the truth effect on my ichor set up)

[latent adder]

U gotta kill with boltor or pick up affinity orbs

Or team kills

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-peggle-puzz-mid-video-high-gif-553759000954454273

gah this is so tragic

[latent adder]

Boltor is ok tho

[solar reef]

they should make like praedos but as a primary