builds-discussion

[old marsh]

STR to hit 255

[opal leaf]

I don't remember if he needs 1 blue for armor (Persistence reasons)

And I saw a lot of people doing the basic shard layout

2 red tau for strength, and 2/1 yellow tau for casting

But I heard he does green shard too? For corrosive? S but all I know is that

[old marsh]

Blue for armor if not using fiber. Green for Tox. Red for Dur/str. yellow for parkour+casting

[opal leaf]

Aight I'm learning while not using them hahahah

[old marsh]

Basically make it a rainbow

[dusky bane]

how is bro increasing base

[old marsh]

Fiber

I didn’t see that text

But given he doesn’t have status cleanse so u need 1400 if u get hit with heat procs

[simple frost]

i use hearty nourishment

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-hmm-gif-2748512355730790146

[opal leaf]

OK what's with the look Log hahaha

[old marsh]

This dude already knows everything. Did he even ask for a build?

Something feels off

[opal leaf]

XDDDD

Now that you mentioned it

Somethings is stinky

[old marsh]

gonna have to report him to space mom

[simple frost]

huh

[opal leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/lotus-dance-fortnite-warframe-server-gif-12890772055272978214

[fervent nova]

what does the dots on the riven disposition means? I know it says how strong it is, but in what way? Is it multiplicative?

[buoyant patio]

It's a direct modifier of the Riven's base stats.

So yes, multiplicative.

IIRC, the modifier ranges from as low as 0.5x to as high as 1.55x. But the dots in the arsenal do not fully reflect this range, it's only a loose guideline, to see the actual dispo you have to check the wiki.

I think there can be as big as a 0.2x gap between values that display as the same amount of dots in the arsenal so.

[fervent nova]

Ahh I see.
So let's say I want to buy a Riven for Kuva Sobek with +90 Crit Damage, and the Riven dispo has 2 dots (0.80x from what I'm reading), does that mean that +90 CD is multiplied by 0.80 again?

[buoyant patio]

The stats displayed on the mod are the value they give after the dispo has already been applied.

[fervent nova]

Oohh

[buoyant patio]

You can see this in action by equipping it on different variants of the same weapon that have different dispos, the stats shown will be different on them.

[fervent nova]

Ahh, so the value on the unequipped mod is different when it's equipped?

[buoyant patio]

That's something to watch out for when buying Riven's, cause the listed stats may be different on the variant of the weapon you put it on.

The seller may have the stats taken from another variant of the weapon.

[buoyant patio]

This is only applicable to warframe.market though, in-game you can see what it's stats will be on your chosen variant when the Riven is chat-linked.

[fervent nova]

And even the ingame chat doesn't really show all the Riven possile outcomes from what I'm getting here.

[solar reef]

the riven doesnt have multiple outcomes, just one per weapon instance

You can get the exact stats on your weapon through a little math

[fervent nova]

I'm trying to optimize my Kuva Sobek build, it's doing good damage but not as crazy as I thought it would, I was thinking of getting a Riven to slot in more mods.

[solar reef]

Riven disposition is pretty simple

Kuva Sobek has an attrociously low disposition

Iirc depending on riven you can get better numbers out of regular sobek with one

[signal blade]

Does ruinous extension effect the Ocucor tendrils or just the inital beam

[solar reef]

The only riven slottable on kuva sobek is a tox, faction(or MS)/-Harmless

it needs a 2/-1 to get enough numbers-wise to justify using

[fervent nova]

I was thinking of slotting an additional electric damage mod but my slots are already full....

I guess I'll just have to be content with what I havethen.

[solar reef]

but yeah sobek itself kinda sucks

no riven will make it not suck

[fervent nova]

I'm enjoying my Kuva Sobek with Cyte!

[solar reef]

but as long as you can get that initial kill its good

[fervent nova]

Okie dokie, thank you.

[signal blade]

Does anyone know

Also is blast or heat better on the ocucor

[solar reef]

just remember that the only mod that affects acid shells itself is Faction bonus

[opal leaf]

For beams.... I mean you can stick with Blast

Its good with beams as it stacks sooooo fast

[signal blade]

Yeah especially since im using citrine alot that's what I was thinking

But do you know if ruinous extension makes the tendrils lock on longer or is it just the initial beam

Bc I have to forma the exilus slot to use it and I dont wanna do that if it doesnt work on the tendrils

[solar reef]

pretty sure it just wants viral/corro heat

[latent adder]

Heat or electric

Not blast

[signal blade]

Ok

[opal leaf]

Any of you have a Gus Prim melee build?

This is my idea. Good for both Gun and Melee Platform

No augs for now. Adding Speed tbh. But I might change to add streamlinr or adding more CC (Mach Crash Augment)

[solar reef]

you’d just use whatever melee you want

[opal leaf]

I'm onto Hate fr. Just like how it looks and how it fits him

[solar reef]

if you’re platforming you want transfer augment

I believe

[opal leaf]

It only buffs a specific elementsl damage tho

It did not give element

That's why I run a no augment for now (for now)

[solar reef]

it literally acts as modded element

just doesnt combine with mods

[opal leaf]

Can you explain what does that mean?

[solar reef]

what is confusing about this
it acts as if you modded that onto the weapon

[opal leaf]

I'm... Quite stupid... In a sense

So I'm simple terms... It's like putting an element in a weapon?

[signal blade]

If thermal transfer says +100% cold, then its like having a 100% cold mod on your weapon but it doesnt combine into other elements

[opal leaf]

OH!

[signal blade]

Yes

[opal leaf]

Oh ok!

So if I have both Cold and Heat (Blast) on Hate, it'll add Blast damage like as if I have Blast on Hate? Right?

[signal blade]

Also depending on what element you want, you can invert the tap/hold abilities in settings so when you tap you can get heat instead if you need that instead of cold

[signal blade]

I think the augment buff doesnt combine elements, so I think you would just do heat and cold damage at the same time

[opal leaf]

Ohhhhh

I see I see

I might slot in Thermal Transfer again hahaha

[signal blade]

Yes I just tested it, you will do cold and heat damage at the same time lol

[opal leaf]

I see, I'll slot on Thermal Transfer hahaha

[signal blade]

I cant decide which i like more between heat and electricity on my occucor

Ruinous extension affects the tendrils wow

Well I gotta forma this gun 2 more times now lol

[solar reef]

if you dont have armor strip you should be using heat

[opal leaf]

I heard people doing Viral Heat on Ocucor

Idk

Some do blast

[signal blade]

Heat ignores armor right

[opal leaf]

Those 2 are the ones I heard the most when it come to ocucor

[opal leaf]

No it eats 50% of armor

[signal blade]

Oh yeah nvm that's slash

9 forma ocucor build

[modest vector]

yo guys what element should i try getting on kuva sobek? im gonna use it on cyte or does the element not matter that much

[signal blade]

So if I run my Xaku build with Ophanium eyes I should use electricity instead of heat?

[opal leaf]

Yes

[signal blade]

It doesnt matter as much because you are using cyte, but the combination of elements matters

[opal leaf]

Do electric

Itd the reason it's good

[signal blade]

Use primed mods though

[signal blade]

Ok thank you that build with xatas whisper is gonna be insane

[opal leaf]

Thing is... Ophanim Eyes may have weak damage but it needs it's dps for that armor/defense reduction to eat faster while they are slowed

[latent adder]

Doesnt matter much, cold can be used for both saryn and cyte

[dusky bane]

ophanim eyes xaku sounds horrific 😭

[latent adder]

Tox and mag are also good for cyte

[opal leaf]

It works hahaha

[dusky bane]

it's just worse than their base kit tbh

[signal blade]

Ive heard of other people doing it after I had the original thought and it is pretty good actually

[modest vector]

ohh alr ic thank u guys i hope my lich comes with a ephemera as a bonus 🔥

[dusky bane]

idk, that ability in general I'm just not a fan of
looking at an enemy for several seconds to do damage isn't my jam

[solar reef]

just use pillage/terrify

[signal blade]

In a hallway though or with good range everything ibfront of you has much less armor

I use terrify for my grasp of lohk build

[opal leaf]

Yeah, that's the only downside for Xaku

With Eyes (ya know it, I'll just shorten it)

[opal leaf]

Wait.

I'mma guess Terrify with the Aug for Xaku

[dusky bane]

unnecessary

[signal blade]

I dont use creeping terrify

[dusky bane]

you want the strip, not the slow

[solar reef]

augment???

[signal blade]

The armor strip is good on its own

[solar reef]

lol

we just want the strip, no need to waste a mod slot

[opal leaf]

Ohhh I see... Imma try it

[solar reef]

slow is lame and dumb anyways

[crimson cedar]

why slowing dead ennemies 🤡

[signal blade]

42 guns on Xaku with Terrify was insane though

[opal leaf]

I'm sorryyyyy

I'm just into Gloom

[solar reef]

i want the enemies to come to me

[opal leaf]

Gloom and Cold

They look good as CC

[signal blade]

Gloom on garuda is nice

[crimson cedar]

funfact, now we can make a health tank xaku with persistance and the augment for his 2. Off meta but fun

[signal blade]

Gloom on banshee with silence and cold procs from epitapth is broken bruh its so fun

[opal leaf]

Might try Banshee next

I still Ned to build Seva, Nudis and Gus at their finest

[crimson cedar]

elemental ward cold + diriga : he proc Melee influence for you and apply cold stacks to everyone

[signal blade]

Nudis 😭

[crimson cedar]

bc reflected damage count as "all types" damage, even melee, and voila

it's works very nice as a crowd control

[signal blade]

How does your companion proc influence though

[crimson cedar]

spaghetti code

[signal blade]

I thought influence spreads the melee status effects

[crimson cedar]

yes, you are right

[signal blade]

So if you have viral + electric on your melee.. arc coil can spread that viral?

Bro what 😭

[opal leaf]

Can you be a kind one and explain to me what does Spaghetti code mean?

I genuinely don't know hahaha

[crimson cedar]

nah, melee mods don't apply in that specific case ( but some passives yeah)

[crimson cedar]

the mastery of miscellaneous damages

[signal blade]

It mainly means there are tons of interactions that happen in the game with weird or bizarre causes from the games coding

[opal leaf]

Ohhhh

I still Don get it

[crimson cedar]

So if you dig deep enough, you can benefit some interactions

[opal leaf]

I'm trying to translate it in my language so I can understand hahshsah

[solar reef]

look at a plate of sphagetti

look at how its not straight/clear cut

its all over the place and mixed together

[crimson cedar]

i see your profile pic in WF, i can assume you're FR (vvhite angel avatar) ? 😄

[opal leaf]

OK... Ok oj I'm picturing it

[signal blade]

Im pretty sure you can one shot level 9999 necramech demo units with a trinity ability

Does anyone know what im talking abt

[solar reef]

sphagetti code is coding thats messy and all over the place, with certain interactions dipping into others often unintentionally

[opal leaf]

haha what's.. FR...
(my brain is still trying to comprehend Spaghetti code)

[solar reef]

ribbit

[signal blade]

Could you consider faction mods double dipping with DOT's spaghetti code? Bc that one will be easy to example

[solar reef]

no because its intended and works how its intended to

[opal leaf]

Oh

So like... Meshed up... Unnecessary happenings in the game? That's unintentionally but "intended" to exist?

[shut sapphire]

1.7m heat tick damage with 1/2 second on the trigger any way to improve.

[crimson cedar]

x3/x4/x5 dip when multiple layers of lasagna code

[opal leaf]

I'm in the Philippines hahaha

[crimson cedar]

it's NOT necessary to cheese the game, even on lvlcap SP

[signal blade]

True but it is fun

[crimson cedar]

but fun to learn how the game works

[opal leaf]

Is this...Spaghetti code?

[solar reef]

sorta

[signal blade]

Pretty much yeah

[opal leaf]

2 answers I'm getting at hagagah

[solar reef]

its a pretty broad term

[crimson cedar]

one famous example : Nova molecular prime : if you kill an ennemy affected by molecular prime, with a Laetum, you can apply the last incarnon perk on explosions ( +2000%dmg on non-crit)

[signal blade]

Is some guns being multiplicitive with galvanized aptitude considered spaghetti? Im trying to find an easy example for him

[signal blade]

Bro yes I remember that lmao

[solar reef]

yes, it was originally unintentional

[crimson cedar]

unintentional but not lasagna 🍝

[solar reef]

now its a feature they actively design weapons around fromtune to time

[signal blade]

Yeah thats fair

[solar reef]

we also know that they can fix it because they fixed MultiAcuity

[dusky bane]

if they fixed multico there'd be riots

[dusky bane]

also cause lex incarnon

[solar reef]

i dont know Lex ball

[crimson cedar]

An other example : put Fortifier Arcane on your archgun, DONT deploy it, look for an eximus, and do a bullet jump close to him.
congrats, you have now a small amount of OG 👀

[signal blade]

So with the Nova thing, is that just for Laetum or can other incarnon perks or unique traits trigger it

[crimson cedar]

Mprime can "inherit" a LOT of things

like Acid shells 😏

[opal leaf]

Oh!

I can kinda understand it now

I have a term for that. That only exist in my vocabulary

But it's... Like Unintentional Mechanics!

It exist, it can happen, it shouldn't happen, but it happen

Is that it???

[crimson cedar]

Yes, we can say that

[opal leaf]

Ah gotcha!

Adding the term in my notes now so that I can't forget

[simple frost]

What mod do i put in the last empty slot in my diriga build

[signal blade]

So fighting corpus or infested its better to use electricity ocucor im assuming

[simple frost]

thats the weapon if that matters

[opal leaf]

Aight thanks!

[signal blade]

Do you guys remember putting gladiator mods on hound weapons

[crimson cedar]

but we know why the game act like this. In this example, a bullet jump, doing a small amount of damages, what is the "source" of this damage ? Melee? Weapons ? aaaand ... it's a "misc." damage, with all "sources" at the same time.
the game consider some damages have " all sources " at the same time, if you have arcanes wich trigger with the good condition, it works (like fortifier here)

[signal blade]

So I usually use secondary enervate when I use secondaries with Citrine, but I have a Topaz archon shard on her giving secondary weapons crit chance and I feel like its unnecessary what could I place there

Im mainly not wanting +strength or anything defensive

[crimson cedar]

Breach Surge have some fun properties we can use to mess around with misc dmg 👀

[fiery wolf]

bruvs

any tips for mesa prime ? (u can ask me for styanax if u want👀 )

[signal blade]

Topaz shards are really good for crit chance if you mod her regulators for heat damage

[fiery wolf]

I see i see

[crimson cedar]

infuse brightbonnet on Mesa, have fun (if you don't have to move a lot)

[signal blade]

And if you use Mesa's waltz augment, parkour velocity makes you roll super far so using praedos for mobility is good if you use it

Also I saw a funny build where they subsumed ivaras quiver on her and benefited from arcane crepuscular

[crimson cedar]

Same fun : subsume ivara's on Grendel, shot the cloak arrow on an ennemy, and ... eat it. Invisible moving grendel 😄

[signal blade]

I knew about the shade making him invisible but it counts on enemies in his stomach? That's wild

Does arcane crepuscular buff his 4th with the augment or can that ability not crit

[crimson cedar]

no crit at all

[signal blade]

Ok

[crimson cedar]

even with Avenger arcane to have base 45%

[signal blade]

Its finished

[modest vector]

i think people use furax wraith on mesa with cresendo n Secondary Outburst it helps the regulators

[signal blade]

We need more Styanax players honestly

[modest vector]

next prime is prob styanax ngl or DE might be funny and give us kullervo prime 👅

im happy with any spear man or knife man

[signal blade]

I want citrine prime

My favorite frame

[modest vector]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-shrug-cat-cute-bye-gif-16444872

[signal blade]

Bruh why

[modest vector]

pretty sure its 2 male frames then 2 female frames u gotta wait for the next 2 primes before citrine

[crimson cedar]

with Dex Nikana, you can have a x8 perma combo (rivenless), to proc Outburst without do any melee hit

[dusky bane]

the pattern hasn't officially returned just yet, but in theory, yeah, she's AT LEAST second, maybe third in line

[naive hinge]

titania u served me well
what to build her from now ?

[shut sapphire]

May I get some thoughts please

[topaz verge]

Mirror defense lol

[solar reef]

furax also gives you 45% fire firate on regulators though

[naive hinge]

wt ?

[dusky bane]

dex nikana reaches the full 11x

[topaz verge]

I switched condition overload and put ppp

And it did more damage

[dusky bane]

unlikely that ppp beats CO

[solar reef]

PPP will only do more damage if you literally spread like zero status

[topaz verge]

I have to hit the enemies a lot to even get it to work because of weeping wounds, ppp just gives you more damage without preparing anything

[dusky bane]

less damage overall, more if you're literally doing something wrong

[solar reef]

just bring something like hound or diriga and you should never be getting more out of PPP

[topaz verge]

Yeah I did make a mistake lol

I tried condition overload without her passive but ppp with her passive lmao

[solar reef]

Valkyr’s a great candidate for Hound since she solves its survivability issues through Pack Leader

[topaz verge]

My bad

[dusky bane]

even by itself it should outperform
you'll ALWAYS have slash and elec procced to scale 160 vs 165%
you'll often have puncture too, so 240 vs 165%

[topaz verge]

What weapon should I put on diriga

[solar reef]

burst laser prime or laser rifle prime

to hit tenacious bond bonus

[topaz verge]

I only got verglas prime

[dusky bane]

why ask if you don't wanna get anything

[topaz verge]

I was asking if it could work😢

[dusky bane]

not ideal

[solar reef]

i mean you can use verglas you just cant use tenacious

[crimson cedar]

yes, but the point is NOT using the melee at all and still get the x8combo bonus for the Secondary Outburst

[fast osprey]

hey, any recommendations for tesla bank on some frames? It has crazy potential but im unsure where its placed best

[dusky bane]

how do you reach 8x without using it

[old marsh]

U can hit it without a riven. only need 3 kills for x8 IC

[dusky bane]

I'm asking what they're referring to

cause just GReflex and corrupt charge hits 11x

[old marsh]

how tho? GReflex and CC only gets u 6.5x

[dusky bane]

on dex nikana mate

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-on-wait-a-minute-somethings-aint-right-hold-up-somethings-wrong-here-gif-17361118

let me scroll up 20 pages to understand the convo 😭

[old marsh]

aah. the passive. holy hell i forgot lol

[halcyon shore]

Yall is there any weapon i should deff get for ash prime?

[old marsh]

i saw Furax i thought u guys were talking about that lol

[dusky bane]

how'd you reach 8x then 😭

[old marsh]

i thought we got 30 CC from Incarnon. apparently thats only for Magistar. man i need to revise this shit.

[old marsh]

actually 7x

was half right

[dusky bane]

well point is dex nikana can be at max combo 100% of the time

[old marsh]

true ye. ngl, never thought Greflex and CC on dex nikana.

could be used for heavy spam

[solar reef]

anything works

[old marsh]

but thats a Pennant thing

[solar reef]

he doesnt have any preferences since the pseudo exalt rework

[halcyon shore]

Oh so just anything that can prog slash?

[old marsh]

no. anything that can kill enemies that arent targetted by shadow clones.

actually. use Praedos with melee careen. good stat stick

[halcyon shore]

Il go try and get that later then

[solar reef]

Telos Boltace + Gas Shadows

https://tenor.com/view/evil-superman-gif-632723218522114279

[halcyon shore]

Thanks any primary's or secondares that might be handy?

[solar reef]

ultimately ash is stronger with actual weapons than he is his 4th

[old marsh]

Praedos

[solar reef]

his 4th is just too slow

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[solar reef]

still my most played at like 20%

[old marsh]

atleast u can turn around and do the killing with weapons on the other sides while his clones do the work

so double DPS

[halcyon shore]

Yeah im like rn creating him so tought id get my weapons in order and all that stuff

[solar reef]

you’d be done with the crowd before his shadow gets its second kill

but yeah ash needs a proper rework, DE just teases him

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573 his shadows

[halcyon shore]

Yeah i always wanted ash ngl but i was too late to get more relics so i bought some bps and now just 2 days and i gpt him

One question would hate work as a decent melee on him?

[old marsh]

any melee with crit chance will work if he has crepuscular

[halcyon shore]

And that is?

[old marsh]

anything that isnt Dark Sword

[upper lintel]

is there a way to maximize drops for belly of the beast? ( ik it has probably already been talked about but I only have like a minute to write this before getting back to work. any tips would be greatly appreciated before I get home to farm tonight 🙏🙏)

[old marsh]

altho with WA u can make any melee work

[halcyon shore]

Lmao yeah not planning on using that

[halcyon shore]

Mind exsplaing it a bit more?

[old marsh]

u would be surprised how hard it hits

[halcyon shore]

Not currently atleast

[old marsh]

wrathful advance is kullervo's ability that can be subsumed onto othe frames which gives u a FLAT crit chance on your melees

[halcyon shore]

Yeah if i had kullervo id be using him

[dusky bane]

bought into the garbage youtube propaganda

[old marsh]

despite Ash's blades having a base CC of 5%, u can get to 209% with this

[halcyon shore]

Igs il go farm duviri for kullervo once i got time

[solar reef]

mind you its flat crit chance

[crimson cedar]

flat final* 🤓

[old marsh]

i had been using it since 2022. so sue me

[halcyon shore]

Ngl dark swords stats are oke only annoying is that it cant crit

Or barely but from what i know igs can hit crazy dmg

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-look-cat-look-at-camera-silly-cat-in-a-cage-gif-889392959852579879

you’re next

[old marsh]

forget that. it was just an example. these should be your aim

Melee Incarnons. Magistar, Praedos, Okina, Dual Ichor and many more

[halcyon shore]

I currently have hate oke built do might use that for a while

[solar reef]

only one forma on the ichor? 😰

[crude prawn]

I got a question. How to maintain the negative damage? I like the Vinquibus but it just sometime give out 2B or -2B1 as the highest. Currently i'm using Nourish on my Uriel build.

[old marsh]

yeah. whatchu gonna do about it?

[halcyon shore]

I didnt even know u could achieve that

[solar reef]

cry and cope

[halcyon shore]

Damn 70???

[solar reef]

-numbers are easy

[crude prawn]

At first i dont think it could work out but now i do really hope to maintain it

[old marsh]

u can get to 90 with adversary melees

70 is standard for all melees

[halcyon shore]

Damn i should play the game more

[crude prawn]

And it funnt to see the compact damage turned into interger

[halcyon shore]

The most ive hit is like 400k with nokko

[solar reef]

ash can do millions without priming

[halcyon shore]

I should really improve my builds

[halcyon shore]

Any tips u can give to achieve that

[old marsh]

have u completed all quests?

[crude prawn]

Nice, my Vinquibus only need Uriel Nourish to prime

[halcyon shore]

Yeah

All except the warframe ones

[crude prawn]

So i think it quite success but i really need to know how exactly it work out

[solar reef]

i lost all interest in vinquibus the moment they showed it in action
Hitscan ruins it

[halcyon shore]

Like inaros and stuff

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-18298503445821339884

[halcyon shore]

Il do em eventually dw

[crude prawn]

Oh, i like the weapon so i just nope then back. Like i used to promise someone to make it deal 600M+

Then it did, with unexpectedly

[old marsh]

no. i will worry. i cant sleep thinking u havent done it yet

[solar reef]

do keep in mind that -numbers doesn’t necessarily mean an exponential increase in damage, theres plenty of sphagetti coded interactions that result in them

[halcyon shore]

Damn guesse u wont sleep for a while then lmao(il try and atleast finish the inaros onr later)

[old marsh]

as long as enemy dies, thats all that matters

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/crashout-gif-10102349670227490737

[crude prawn]

With putting in every melee the influence

Yea i agree it cleanse the room better

[halcyon shore]

I will try my best to achieve the lvl of wiping out a room in one go

Im close to it bit not close enpugh

[solar reef]

ash doesnt do that great

[crude prawn]

What loadout are you in?

[halcyon shore]

???

[solar reef]

Slight language barrier 😰

[crude prawn]

I mean your favourite frame, guns, melee 😭

[halcyon shore]

Ah ihm current frame is nokko, gun is the nataruke,secondary i lowky dont remember and melee is hate

But nokko will become ash prime onces hes finished on the foundry

[dusky bane]

nokko >>>>

such a fun character

[halcyon shore]

Frrrr

[solar reef]

i cant stand playing nokko

like it was fun for the first missions but man its such a stale playstyle

[opal leaf]

Wait so those "above integer" numbers are spaghetti code as well?

Oooo

[solar reef]

not always

[opal leaf]

How so?

[solar reef]

sometimes its literally just the game’s inability to read past X number

[opal leaf]

Ah

Because I want to recall that I was once, did a damage this high

-1000k!

[solar reef]

Othertimes its the games inability read X value of something partially separate from the actual damage number

[opal leaf]

A one thousand... Thousand?

[solar reef]

Like an example would be crit overflow

[opal leaf]

Oh the none lethal - 2.1 bil thing hahaha

[solar reef]

if you have 255x CD it will appear as -2.1 regardless

[opal leaf]

Who were the frames that can force this?

[solar reef]

just gotta force as much cc/cd into a kit as possible

[opal leaf]

Oh

[opal leaf]

That video always leaves me dumbfounded hahahah

Bc the crit is so high. The game just say "fck it... Idk, here's a number to that"

And leaves the desk

[dusky bane]

don't you play loki 😭

[solar reef]

not often

i play him just to say I play loki

My mains are Harrow, Voruna, and Ash

[old marsh]

thats me with Sevagoth

[solar reef]

Only one of them is boring

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/we-know-duh-hello-of-course-gif-13989211

[opal leaf]

Same with Nova (she is just a cheat code... She is too good hahah)

[old marsh]

My mains r Ember, Hildryn and Valkyr

[opal leaf]

Should I main Nova?

[old marsh]

she is what i like to call a Complete Warframe

she has everything and very few frames meet that criteria

[opal leaf]

I mained like... Bunch of CC frames

Vauban
Nidus
Loki

I mean sure Gus Prim too

But Nova tho...

[opal leaf]

What about Gus?

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[opal leaf]

I might like Gus for Melee

[opal leaf]

Who are the frames that met the criteria the same as Nova?

[old marsh]

Protea, Mirage, Oberon, Zephyr and Garuda

ngl that list seems sexist

actually i completely forgot about Revenant

[opal leaf]

Protea huh?

[opal leaf]

Revenant???? Hmmm

[crimson cedar]

who?

[opal leaf]

That's something who is a someone who is a some thing in someone

[old marsh]

one of the best examples. specially with her 1 and 4. like who in DE thought of making a frame like that

[solar reef]

i’d say voruna is there

Like obviously i prefer roar/wa/eclipse but her base kit atp is pretty complete

Caliban

Caliban’s got a complete kit

[opal leaf]

But why not Gus Prim. He has....

He is fast
Can weapon platform
Can nuke
Can CC
And is immortal....

Like....

[quiet laurel]

Are we talking about frames with all 4 abilities being useful

[opal leaf]

I don't know but something that met Log's criteria for Nova

[old marsh]

what is the biggest issue of using his 1

https://tenor.com/view/success-gif-12555626141499580466

[quiet laurel]

If you channel his 1 what are you doing

[crude prawn]

i got a question how did you survive with nullifiers?

[opal leaf]

Ahhh....

[opal leaf]

Kill them before they go closer

[crude prawn]

i mean i really have to look at Nokko main with a different eye

[opal leaf]

Go Semi Caster on Nokko

[crude prawn]

for some reason, my spore not go into that bubble

[halcyon shore]

Uhm idk i just do somehow

[opal leaf]

Yes go Semi Caster, shoot guns and kill them then go baby again

[old marsh]

i also play him subsume less more often than not but still some things Gauss has issues with. i love him but wish his 1 was more controllable

[opal leaf]

I see what you meant now

Aight aight... But it can be used as Dash don't ya think?

[old marsh]

100%

[opal leaf]

Instant relocation, useful for Melee if I'm being honest

[old marsh]

cant use weapons while her 4 is active. same thing Oraxia isnt up there

[solar reef]

you dont need weapons while in her 4

[opal leaf]

So the criteria is

An All rounder. Like complete all rounder. Am I correct?

[old marsh]

have u ever played Goat Simulator

[solar reef]

and in the case where you cant use her 4 she has enough buffs to make weapons viable for any use

like I said, I dont like her 4 personally but its in a great state right now

[old marsh]

yeah. and tbh its my list, others will have it different.

[craggy niche]

My favorite cc/platform is pillage gyre

2 aug

[old marsh]

cant wait till 2038 when Rebb makes it exalted

https://tenor.com/view/hl2-hl3-half-life-3-hopium-hope-gif-7246120153840726923

[solar reef]

i’d still subsume over it

[opal leaf]

True

Like for that, Nova is there for sure

Gus Prim is there... And uhh..... Idk who else hahaha

Vauban? Maybe? But he is more CC and Nuke than platforming

[old marsh]

thats Wukong 2023 energy

[old marsh]

Vauban is so good but has to rely on mods/arcanes for survivability

[craggy niche]

Gyre has comfy lazy cc and great weapon buffing with cond sphere

[quiet laurel]

Most frames do

[old marsh]

exactly.

[crude prawn]

thought Nokko a bit fragile so what weapons you use with him?

[solar reef]

its 2026
surely we aren’t determining a frame’s completeness without taking mods into account

[opal leaf]

Tbh the All Rounders that I can consider. Are Gus, Volt and Nooba

Like I can't see someone who can do such... Skills compared to others

These Three have it all fr

[quiet laurel]

I dont even know what this convo is

[old marsh]

Octavia going to lvl cap without mods

[quiet laurel]

I've been watching for quite a while now and cant make sense of it

[solar reef]

im in the same boat

[old marsh]

just jump in enjoy the convo

[opal leaf]

Don't follow what I do or say

Yoi asked what weapon I use?

Acceltra Prime. It's AN ass of a weapon and I use it to destroy nullifier bubbles and that's it

even tho I like it so much bc it melts enemies

[craggy niche]

I think its just a frames completeness and usability off its base kit

[opal leaf]

All Rounders, different lists of respective all rounder frames

[quiet laurel]

Def some interesting picks I've read then

[old marsh]

man Volt's 4 is what i always hated but other than that top tier frame

[crude prawn]

it really that ass?

[opal leaf]

I think Seva can be consider as an all rounder

[old marsh]

was a Volt main for 8 yrs straight

[opal leaf]

5 people can testify it's an ass of a weapon, I'm one of the 5

Dont get me wrong. I use it. I melt enemies and acolytes with it. But I cannot ignore the fact that this gun I use and love is a mediocre gun

[old marsh]

if only they fix his passive revive being so clunky. and maybe 12 yrs from now when we get Seva rework and those 2 augments r incorporated into his base kit

[crude prawn]

nah chill, like im doing with the Vinquibus tho

as long as you love it, it seem not ass much unless you want to be the airstryker

[opal leaf]

But in all seriousness

It's a personal favourite gun bc it looks cool in my Nokko (had to show you why)

[old marsh]

but his gloom alone makes Seva such a good frame. everything is just a statue for u to pick off

[quiet laurel]

Gloom is more of a hindrance tbh

[old marsh]

gotta have small range

[quiet laurel]

Which would be anti synergistic with his nuke

[opal leaf]

Yeah, he has good CC and Nuking

His main problem tho is Gun Platforming is.... Quite mid, idk

[quiet laurel]

His gun platforming is insane, just his gun platforming buff doesnt take effect cause everything gets one shot before

[old marsh]

He is my weapons ranking frame. I take rank 0 weapons to cascades

[solar reef]

these like dont match at all

[opal leaf]

I totally understand that when it comes to Gloom tbh

It smth I like don't get me wrong. As it's a good CC

It's just I understand the reason of hindrance

[solar reef]

you’ve just colored them the same

[opal leaf]

Yes they do ;~;

[crude prawn]

yea it looks cool with the fit

[solar reef]

huge texture difference, clear thematic difference

[crisp cypress]

Need help for dual toxocyst build for guilty/single target dps

[opal leaf]

Eh fair I cannot really deny that. Guess it stays in Gus Prim

[solar reef]

like if i paint dirt grey it doesnt look like gravel

[opal leaf]

I need to fix my fashion on Gauss... Especially his coloring

[solar reef]

my gauss is jet themed

[crude prawn]

i dont even fashion him despite he being a cool frame ngl

[opal leaf]

I'm making this color scheme for Gus

[crude prawn]

this dude shieldgating is insane

[opal leaf]

That's cool ngl

[solar reef]

i hate playing him

I just like his deluxe

[old marsh]

u dont like zoom zoom boom boom?

[opal leaf]

Gauss?

[solar reef]

hes not my preference, no

[crude prawn]

yea, adding the Raksa kubrow with him

[opal leaf]

I am going Zoom Zoom Hack hack

[crude prawn]

it even more wth

like bro neverknowing of losing shield meaning cause it happened too fast

yea only the toxic issue

[opal leaf]

You'll be immortal if you have Fast Deflection and Arcane Aegis r0 (I assume you... Know these already)

[opal leaf]

Toxic is easy to deal with honestly

[quiet laurel]

Brb searching the gif

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-13999959577016113506

[quiet laurel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/150313159343865856/1321587681699958825/i-text.gif

[crude prawn]

im still trying to avoid it, mostly my timing issue with rolling guard

[old marsh]

wouldnt that be Volt

[opal leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

[opal leaf]

I go melee with Gus

[opal leaf]

I don't even have Rolling Guard on me hahaha

And I don't have problems with Toxin

[old marsh]

bold choice given there r a lot of melee frames

[quiet laurel]

Rolling guard wont save you from any dangerous toxin

[old marsh]

Circumvent

[mighty flare]

Guilty builds go stackless, but Laetum is the usually preferred secondary

[quiet laurel]

Circumvent gauss

Reading new things every day

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-roll-confuse-gif-11695636

[opal leaf]

Hehehe slash slash...

He is mostly the one who makes me use both Guns and Melee at the same time

[crude prawn]

it clear status as i know now. Just don't know if it even block the toxic explode things

[crude prawn]

oh yea, i forgot this, ty

[old marsh]

oh ye. i did 45 waves of defense once with Melee Volt only. man that was fun. also 1 hour of life down the drain too

[quiet laurel]

If you dont see the toxin and walk into it rolling guard wont save you unless you survive 1 tick

[opal leaf]

Bro they are the silent killers fr

[crude prawn]

i see, thank you of this infor. I not know about rolling guard since i dont use it much

[opal leaf]

Hahaha good thing you still passed

[crisp cypress]

Any generic stack less build so that I can make some changes?

[old marsh]

specially in arbis. my god. ruined several runs

[opal leaf]

How so? Just go Cyte/Saryn build :3

[opal leaf]

If you see them Toxin... Shoot em

We have guns for a reason babyyyyyy

[quiet laurel]

101 waves meta arbi operative one shot cause vauban didnt vaz when an infested was sprinting at it 🔥

[old marsh]

i was forma ranking frames. so no cyte or saryn.

[opal leaf]

You practically lost everythung

[quiet laurel]

You dont lose rotation rewards

[old marsh]

i am one of those players who ranks frames by doing everything except the specific missions to rank up lol

[quiet laurel]

But shi happens more often than it should

[opal leaf]

Awwwwww

Well I have a set goal and I'm commiting to Main my version of Sevagoth and Gus

[opal leaf]

That's good to know for next time

[crude prawn]

i use melee...amd yea i didn't see them as i was holding the melee..

[opal leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/dap-dap-up-bro-homie-cyclops-gif-4428096331414899113

[opal leaf]

Guns...... Theyre there for a reason

[crude prawn]

normally if i use primary or secondary i can see them but somehow i got blind when using melee

yes

[old marsh]

me with Wukong. i never subsumed over his 4 despite everyone telling me to do it for several years till before the exalted rework.

[opal leaf]

Just use an invis frame when it comes to Melee

[crude prawn]

are you suggesting me to do Octavia Melee?

[opal leaf]

Oh his 4 still rocks till today

[warm obsidian]

Oof
Just enough for a Exilus

[opal leaf]

I mean if you want you can

The options are endless

But bck to wukong

Bc of the Influence shit? Wukong's 4 is phenomenally good!

Like any light melee do

Most...

[quiet laurel]

Wukongs 4 is good cause of the range it has and the 100% follow through
But the stance is pretty bad

[opal leaf]

Of only we can change it to something else

[quiet laurel]

Like cause of the stance its nothing more than good

[prime elbow]

Prisma skana and kullervo builds Tharros strike subsumed on his 4th with Tharros lethality augment slotted in hope this is better than my last post I’m trying to hit negative numbers
Riven stats are 102.9% critical damage 102.5% cold 194.9% critical chance x0.6 damage to corpus

[opal leaf]

You have more chance hitting a negative number on Hate. Seeing how Hate performs... Yeah

Speaking of Hate, what does Burning hate do?

I've been using Influence slop on Hate but now I have burning hate, what it do?

[prime elbow]

That’s Prisma skana not hate

[opal leaf]

... Can.... Can you read my message again?

[crude prawn]

No Wukong. I admit he is number one. But it like a calculation with a so-clear result.

[opal leaf]

Oh I was talking to Log on that one, sorry hahahaha

[old marsh]

its so bad if u dont hit a target, Wukong flops down after a full stance rotation. cant wait for DE to add a QoL 17 yrs later to allow us to use stances of other melees on these weapons

[blazing frigate]

What element does the kuva nukor want?

[opal leaf]

Magnetic

[crude prawn]

everything

[blazing frigate]

son

[prime elbow]

Total my critical chance goes over 700%

[solar reef]

doesnt work with influence setups unless you have a heat primer

[old marsh]

za best. as long as shit isnt in the air 😭 those balloon things in 1999. hate those shits

[fierce lark]

or shock trooper

[solar reef]

shock trooper is the only reason i’d ever use influHate

[opal leaf]

Hmm explain please

Or should I use a Heat on Hate?

[opal leaf]

I said I think it can do better with Hate.... I didn't assume it's hate....

[solar reef]

influence doesnt work unless you mod out heat through blast or gas

Otherwise you just get Rad

Burning Hate requires heat priming

[old marsh]

its Ember's fav melee

[solar reef]

Without heat priming you’re better off just using galv elementalist

[opal leaf]

Hmmm so in short I need to redesign my build

What does Burning Hate really do then?

[old marsh]

big dmg

[solar reef]

its an elementalist mod

[crude prawn]

dealing bigger "heating" hate i guess?

[solar reef]

but better and requires heat priming

Burning Hate setups usually use Afflictions instead of Influence

[crude prawn]

or just cascadia flare and Uriel or Diriga with heat damage + Arc Coil

[opal leaf]

Oh nah a heavy buuld?????

[solar reef]

hybrid/tennokai

[opal leaf]

Ahhh damn

[solar reef]

scythe stances have lift/knock

thus the perfect candidates for afflictions

especially when your weapon is focused on heat and forced slash DOT’s

[old marsh]

be mindful, Hate requires investment. and for burning hate u need to make effort for it to work. thats why influence slop is better for trash clear and BH for hard targets

[solar reef]

i just use feverstrike exposure

[opal leaf]

Guess...?

I mean my Hate can deal good damage against acolytes

[old marsh]

think bigger numbers

[opal leaf]

On heavy attsck as it seems, this is with Ash and WA

I forgot to record Light Attacks against them

[opal leaf]

Oh

Wait let me read what Burning Hate does

[solar reef]

its literally just a better elementalist

[old marsh]

that number is less than a million

[opal leaf]

Yeah

[old marsh]

basically prime enemy with heat and then attack it.

[opal leaf]

Ohhh that's why it needs heat

[old marsh]

and its multiplicative so its best to have both

[old marsh]

and dont u dare mod heat into Hate lol.

[solar reef]

your hate only does millions?

[opal leaf]

I can't just put heat on a Hate

I neaf the enemies being burned with heat

[opal leaf]

Yeah I figure it out

[solar reef]

you dont need to mod heat

[crude prawn]

my big bro can do the -1 but i forgot to ss it

[opal leaf]

Guess I'll stay with Influence slop

[old marsh]

my heat primer.

[opal leaf]

Idk...

[solar reef]

she sucks at heat priming

[crude prawn]

well there still fire

[opal leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/yum-delicious-fine-damn-dayum-gif-5478885

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/laser-destroy-heresy-purge-buttom-gif-17565647

[crude prawn]

still can do sth

[solar reef]

she literally nerfs your heat dot damage

[crude prawn]

what good i can feel is the heat damage bonus from agument

[opal leaf]

Instead of giving damage, she heals through heat 🥀 😭

[solar reef]

thats not what im saying

[opal leaf]

Ya I knoe, I'm just joking hahaha

[solar reef]

Heat inherent works negatively when she deals the first instance of heat

[crude prawn]

does the heatdamage bonus from Ember 1 agument count as a condition for burnig hate if i not mod heat on hate?

[opal leaf]

Seems like my Diriga needs to keep on doing shiz

[solar reef]

if there is heat status on the enemy then it counts

[opal leaf]

I migjt not use any of this hahahah

[crude prawn]

then it not i guess

[old marsh]

its not that we cant use heat on it but its rather how many heat stacks u can have in a short amount of time on your enemy. a primer can put on lots of stacks of heat. like a nukor

[crude prawn]

i wish one day they make ember being a companion that using beast mods

[old marsh]

altho nukor will just outright kill anything

but u get the idea

[crude prawn]

yea Nukor already killed thing

okay thank you

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-evil-chihuahua-twt-memes-dog-gif-2124557923355771903

i was thinking more like. Ember on all fours

"being a beast"

[crude prawn]

i do think Voruna is a Diriga

[crude prawn]

yep and she using burning claws

[old marsh]

Ember on all fours would be meta

[crude prawn]

i can see that future if Voruna got a proto

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smirk-dog-smirking-evil-gif-1174039551531775064

[dire terrace]

guys, whats a good primary weapon for any warframe in general?

[spiral chasm]

probably all of them

[old marsh]

burston prime incarnon

[spiral chasm]

weapons arent wf bound

[dire terrace]

boltor,?

[spiral chasm]

yteah works too

some frames are better with primaries because they are weapon platformers but every weapon should be usable with any frame

[dire terrace]

okay, Mesa for example?

[old marsh]

when in doubt. always check the stats webpage

[weary frigate]

invigoration finally gives me sth good, 75% sprint speed and 200% stre.

[spiral chasm]

mesa has a fun interaction with cedos' glaive

[dire terrace]

ooo, i should get it.

[spiral chasm]

u can store the dmg on your 1 while the glaive bounces

and then keep re-storing

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[spiral chasm]

probably not the best scaling wise but its fun for 99% of content

just nuke halls during survival mission

[dire terrace]

even tho i do a nourish build

?

[spiral chasm]

i mean u have other configs for it

i forgot which subsume people use

maybe roar or smth

[dire terrace]

hm, they switch the 1 for nourish

[near crater]

So far an "okay" Anti-Grineer build?
Evolutions:
Hoplite Virtue
Rapid Reinforcement
Elemental Balance

[violet silo]

try putting xata over 2 and running a thermal transfer build with that str

[leaden thistle]

Get the funny Gorgon mod that turns people to stone >:)

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Metamorphic_Magazine

[near crater]

Ehhhh

[leaden thistle]

Also almost doubles both Magazine Cap and Ammo Max's to Brrt and Incarnon longer

[near crater]

I mean maybe I could pair that with Primary Plated Round

Or ditch that mod and take Pri Crux right away

With pri Crux I'll have the ammo efficiency when it matters, and the stat chance carries over for long enough. Then repeat

That's just my thought process

[leaden thistle]

I keep forgetting about Plated Round. That would be 171 max ammo so... about +400% damage for the timer it gives on reload

[near crater]

Give or take, yeah

[chrome badge]

Does almost nothing to incarnon

[leaden thistle]

Well no, but I also never reload because 171 bullets with multishot charges Incarnon like it's nothing

[near crater]

Also true

[leaden thistle]

And enemies turning to stone in the blink of an eye revved up is funny

[near crater]

I mean it already charges in less than half a second with focused headshot fire

But what I did end up finding out from testing: The Incarnons has its own mag value for Plated Round. At about 130% or something

[chrome badge]

Well yeah but you said the incarnon is doubled with the aug

Yep

That makes sense

[leaden thistle]

Well, not quite my intention to say. Incarnon is it's own mag, yes

[near crater]

And never affected by mods or its own evolutions

[leaden thistle]

Correct

I am not always good at typing

[near crater]

So it's either back to Crux or I stay with Debilitate

[leaden thistle]

Or rather, the magazine cannot be affected by mods

[near crater]

Ah and I replaced P Bane of grinner and speed trigger with shred and regular bane

I have 9 more cap

[leaden thistle]

This is what my Gorgon currently has. I went Blast on it since I was focusing on Incarnon the most

...HDR really darkens that image huh

[near crater]

But aptitude doesn't work on radius shots

[leaden thistle]

It's been a little while, I think I might've meant to put elementalist there instead because Blast

[wary forge]

Well you first mistake was investing in th wraith and not the Prisma

[chrome badge]

Yep

[near crater]

Yeah but can't be asked to wait for that tbh

[leaden thistle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I had the parts, and Baro wasn't selling

[wary forge]

You can buy it for plat also baro brought it like 2 cycles ago

[near crater]

Nah

Oooh right on time. Void cascade fissures

[wary forge]

Yeah he didn’t mb

[leaden thistle]

Ah, I think I had Aptitude there so I could achieve the near-100% Blast proc guarantee

More boom per boom

[near crater]

Mafs

[wary forge]

Crit multi of 3.3 and u have no cc

[leaden thistle]

Mult of 3.3 is with Tenacious bond

[wary forge]

Still

[leaden thistle]

This is not intended to crit, and I'm just in my armoury looking at it

[wary forge]

It’s specific mod is also buns

I mean it’s not buns but like u just don’t need that much mag size

Prisma is already 120 base

[solar reef]

what if if instead of gorgon we use evade harrow dual tox

i think that would be prety cool i think

[wary forge]

Nah

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318

[fast mauve]

Does anyone have a good yareli build? New to playing her

[chrome badge]

What if instead of evade harrow with dual tox… we use koumei and dual tox

https://tenor.com/view/koumei-gambling-awdangit-koumei-gambling-mrwarframeguy-gif-14566313064866036936

[old marsh]

do u wanna ride Merulina? or no?

[solar reef]

this is so not scourge coded

[ruby crypt]

what arcanes shld i get(im building dante rn but also got uriel, gauss and a couple others)

[leaden thistle]

Truculence for Dante

Gives you a 30m max-stack Viral blast when you gain 3000 overguard

[fast mauve]

Preferably no 🙂

[silk kraken]

What to add/change about my ivara build, not got galv mods or primed cos im a returning player and last baro had prime convulsion and a shit ton of bane mods

Built for artemis bow aoe

[leaden thistle]

Arcane Crepuscular (Warframe arcane) for bonus Invis boosts

You get that in 1999

[silk kraken]

Yea needa farm some arcanes only got 6

Cheers brotha

[leaden thistle]

Spectral Serration also can replace normal Serration, but I have to look up where you get that

...also 1999 Scaldra drop

[silk kraken]

Tyty

[old marsh]

For eclipse, u swap trans fort with continuity

[wary forge]

Don’t go that lol

[solar reef]

was gonna say

doesnt Dante have a way for priming without the use of arcanes/externals

[rancid helm]

So i wanna make a build for sevagoth cause im bored. I have a build for the frame itself but I need a build for the shadow too? I have a build for the melee kinda but what build would be good for the shadow, ive seen multiple answers in the q&a chat on warframe. Cant get a straight answer

[solar reef]

just subsume over his shadow

[pastel temple]

The book itself?

[rancid helm]

Not worth the effort? What would be a good subsume?

[solar reef]

i was half joking but yes, his 4th is generally what gets subsumed off

[lone haven]

hi, when building xaku prime is it worth to have brief respite AND catalyzing shields or one is enough?

[solar reef]

Roar Sevagoth is the best caster nuker in the game

[chrome badge]

Subsume over his 1

[deep grotto]

#1429852785251455016

[rancid helm]

Alright cheers. Less work for me lol

[solar reef]

his 1/2 set up deals 100% ehp damage at 255% strength, meaning it one shots at any level with Roar
With both augments it spreads infinitely so long as there are more enemies

[versed harbor]

shattered lash build plz for splinter storm stacking

:/

[leaden thistle]

No? Why not, the book?

How's this for a cancer stick btw? I feel like it's pretty good, obv can do more to invest in it because empty mod slots... yeah I can do way worse like add Corrosive into the mix

[fast mauve]

What is eclipse ahha sorry im new to builds

[ruby crypt]

how is this low investment noctua build?

[old marsh]

last slot u ideally want Buzz kill for more slash

[versed harbor]

o close to what im running so shes just big nerfed now ig

[hexed lodge]

long story short;
want simple gameplay but struggle on energy? subsume over 4th, shadow&claws can still be modded for the passive
want more depth to your gameplay and better energy-econ/surv? subsume over 3rd

[old marsh]

helminth subsume. u will learn it all later.

[limber tide]

anyone got a sarofang prime build i can use

[next bridge]

@latent adder with the magistar build u helped me with, on my wf what ability would be the best to get for it? wrathful advance or xata whisper

[tender forge]

depends on what your doing but on a Zefer you can use Xata to hit big with tornados. especialy if you hold cast with 4th augment

[next bridge]

nah im using wukong with magistar for slam in lvl cap

thats why i was wondering if xata or wrathful advantage was better

[tender forge]

strength of Wukong?

and what crit tier are you currently hitting with how much crit damage

[next bridge]

uhh lemme check after mission

[tiny frost]

I have a question which one is better?

[tender forge]

you want the status. the incarnon is beam i believe so multi and damage. torid is not crit at base

[tiny frost]

Okay ty

[tender forge]

pull up the wiki when rolling to see the current base weapon stats that helps

[next bridge]

wukong got 223 strength, and crit dmg on my magistar is x10.9

[tender forge]

what crit chance?

[next bridge]

75.6%.
i stiil need to find a riven for it with CC, DMG & IC

[tiny frost]

I'm new to the game so I'm not very informed about this yet

What u think?

[tender forge]

crit chance will do more inital damage. because the damge of slam crit is crit damage + crit damage - 1 for each new tier

[next bridge]

uhh im not sure i understand what that means.
what do you mean by -1 for each new tier?

[tender forge]

do you have the incarnon?

[tiny frost]

Yes

[tender forge]

take it.

[tiny frost]

Okay

[tender forge]

instead of 10.1x X Tier X Damage the crit damage is 10.1 + 9.1 and so on for each tier you reach

[elfin sluice]

good. multishot is a strong positive on beam weapons, and damage is no dud

but keep rolling after taking it. there's room for improvement

[tender forge]

and the negitive mag is not applicable to incarnon

[next bridge]

i see. so what does this mean for the ability i have to choose and for riven? like what would be the best option to get for this setup

[wary forge]

Not good at all

[tender forge]

if you hit tier 2 you out damage zata

[wary forge]

Why use phage as a primer

[tender forge]

you only get teir one other wise

[wary forge]

Just go Phantasma

If u want primary primer

[leaden thistle]

I don't have a Phantasma, yet :V

[next bridge]

but i hit higher tier by just killing / slamming, or?

[leaden thistle]

Additionally, why NOT a phage?

[wary forge]

You can just craft it from the market

It’s not that hard to get

[wary forge]

It’s just worse then the Phantasma as a primer

[tender forge]

crit chance is how high you can crit at 100% you get tier 1 with adtional crit chance you have chance to get tier 2 if you have 150% yellow crit with 50% of orange instead

[leaden thistle]

Even though it has intrinsic Viral and Radiation can be created with a singular mod vs 2?

[wary forge]

Phantasma has inate radiation and ips

[next bridge]

ohh i see.

[wary forge]

Can use primary exhilarate

[next bridge]

and tier 2 out damages xata whisper?

[tender forge]

unless you plan on getting archon shards or grinding another way to get melee crit chance then wrathfull advance is better

[next bridge]

i already got 3 violet shards for crit dmg, so i dont think i'll add for crit chance

[wary forge]

U can just get more elements on Phantasma and it just primes faster

[tender forge]

yes because its 66% of inital hit as second hit or 16.7x or with tier 2 19.1x

[wary forge]

For slamming no

Xatas is most damge

[tender forge]

if you got teir 2 xata hit its 31.7x

[wary forge]

If you want Crit just go blood rush and 2x sac mods

[leaden thistle]

I get that I don't have Impact to maybe Magnetic Welt, but I also have both Corrosive and Viral + Debilitate to apply every single base element with the Cold there for Shivering Contagion on top of that too

[wary forge]

Ideally a riven with cc and blood rush so u can go galvnzied steel

[wary forge]

Debilitate is buns

Also like kuva Nukor

Also Phantasma can literally do the same thing and have ips

[next bridge]

ah i see. hmm guess i gotta run with wrathful advantage then

[tender forge]

if you want the crit damage to be used you need crit chance

[gleaming vapor]

yeah but does phantasma have enervate

[wary forge]

True….

[tender forge]

if you built blast, xata and crit chance thats better but you got to up the crit chance

[wary forge]

I mean u could go wrathful if your slamming ig it’s just worse then xatas

[wary forge]

What slam do you build blast on

[leaden thistle]

Ok so why is Debilitate buns, and what is ips. I'm not often in the community so I really don't know what some of the logic / research is behind that.
My thought was Debilitate so that there's the DOT of all 3 Toxin + Fire + Electric on top while keeping everything in a radius locked down with Cold + Contagion

[old marsh]

also lower dur

[tender forge]

its a magistar

[next bridge]

i use toxin for my build.

[wary forge]

Magistar is forced blast on slam

Don’t mod it lmao

[wary forge]

You run the toxin to get more out of exposure

[tender forge]

ok.....

[wary forge]

It’s not actually relevant that it does toxin damage for the most part

[next bridge]

yeah im using exposure aswell so that adds up 😄

[old marsh]

a statement i never thought i will see in a WF server. its hillarious when taken out of context

[tender forge]

cresendo if you build it up you get maxed blood rush

[wary forge]

Crescendo is cope on magi

You’re all just not building up crescendo in a normal mission

And don’t even need to do that

[tender forge]

at level cap?

[next bridge]

i heard crescendo was buns cause you gotta build up all the time and its annoying, im looking for IC on riv so i dont need that

[wary forge]

Even for level cap

[old marsh]

exposure is the way to go

[wary forge]

If your magistar can’t kill cap and needs cresndo

Then something is very wrong

It’s perma 8x with its evo anyways

[gleaming vapor]

crescendo is really only good for like outburst stacking

[wary forge]

Ye

[next bridge]

@tender forge now its 194.4% crit chance. so wrathful advantage would be best still?

[wary forge]

With xatas damge isn’t gonna be an issue if yore magi build is correct

U really only gotta worry about damage if your using like infested mobility or something but there’s so many ways to get extra melee damage and also like it’s still just magistar that it’s gonna be fine

[next bridge]

this my current build

[tender forge]

your final crit chance is ~ 400% or teir 4 crit that is 34.4x

[next bridge]

and this my wukong im using with it

[next bridge]

hmm nicee

[tender forge]

wrathfull is final crit chance its additice to crit chance on weapon

[wary forge]

That’s good

[next bridge]

i see. i may need to swap out the xata whisper for wrathful advantage then

[wary forge]

If u want more crit drop pressure point for glad might

Or organ shatter

But you should be more then fine

You’re on arcane fury and that riv u don’t need primed pressure

[next bridge]

well i can always do that if the build isnt good enough for lvl cap, but it should be just fine no?

[tender forge]

you got 300% on that 4th of yours. you could subsume over

[wary forge]

Yes that’s gonna be more then fine

[solar reef]

that negative impact hurts

[wary forge]

U don’t even need a subsume

[next bridge]

i've been tryna get a riv ALL DAY and finally this guy texted me saying he got this. i just traded him my ichor riv i didnt use and im still looking for a better riv dw xD

[solar reef]

-IPS is exclusively good when you need to proc a specific status (IE: Electric for Influence)

You’re literally just chipping away at your main damage type

[next bridge]

its really that bad on my build?

[solar reef]

its pretty painful

[next bridge]

well shit

good thing im still looking for better riv meanwhile lol

[wary forge]

It’s fine

[solar reef]

difference between -impact and a harmless -

no additional buffs or anything this is just raw mod sheets so the numbers are low

[mint meadow]

Should I keep Arachne for the weapon dmg or swap for Bellicose and get the extra 72% strength? Both sounds nice but I'm not sure which one proves to be better on the long run

[solar reef]

but its pretty obvious that this is NOT fine as a negative

-Impact ranged from 19-25
-Harmless ranged between 45-55

[next bridge]

how u do this

[solar reef]

its underframe

you can get the same numbers out of organ shatter on this setup (Ninjase’ setup calc’d from the other day)

[fierce lark]

what weapon is this that -imp on a riven is cutting the damage by 2 3rds??

[solar reef]

magislam

[fierce lark]

but heavy slam doesn't do impact, it's pure blast i thought

[solar reef]

its just raw numbers/damage

i can run it again but yeah its not great

[fierce lark]

yeah but why is -impact reducing the damage of an attack that has no impact ❓

[solar reef]

i see the problem now

I lied ignore what I said, had to refresh page

My heavy slam calc was displaying neutral combo numbers

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-oops-gif-18161169

[next bridge]

oh.

[solar reef]

-Impact should be fine

great in fact

[next bridge]

now i gotta know cause im curious is it still buns or good xd

[fierce lark]

https://klipy.com/gifs/larp-1--k01KQZA18KWEMJSGX8N57DYS61N

[solar reef]

on slam spam it should be optimal

[next bridge]

ahh okay :p i only use the build for slam, i dont do regular attack so i was abit confused :p

[solar reef]

I was sorely mistaken about it

[mighty flare]

riven larping 🥀

[solar reef]

not even riven larp, magi larp

[next bridge]

ey its all right, it happens to everyone 🙂

[fierce lark]

magi riven larp even worse

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/larp-sorry-kid-larp-or-be-larped-rise-of-nations-nation-rising-simulator-gif-18202816756838931088

[mighty flare]

arachne & bellicose are both meh

[mint meadow]

what should I use?

[solar reef]

we should all use arcane helmets instead

[mighty flare]

molt augment or a weapon buff arcane like arcane tempo or arcane precision

[craggy zinc]

My Kuva Nukor has Heat. Currently this build seems to deal the most damage to four lv190 Eximus Corrupted Heavy Gunners, or at least I'm left with the most "bullets" after they are all dead. I'm wondering if I should try changing it to Magnetic to get four statuses, or will it diminish the effect of Pistol Elementalist? Or maybe the improvement will be so marginal it's not worth the effort? Have any better secondaries come out since 2019?

[solar reef]

It wouldn’t diminish the effect of pistol elementalist, it just lowers the heat value and weight

it will increase the speed that you kill tougher targets and leave regular enemies dying at roughly the same speed

You’ll be insta killing regular steel path enemies regardless

[craggy zinc]

I mean, Pistol Elementalist only really applies to the Heat proc, right? If I'll be doing less Heat, then it's diminished.

Replacing Primed Heated Charge with Magnetic Might results in less damage. But then again, the former gives +165%, while the latter gives +60% elemental damage.

[hexed lodge]

It's not worth the effort, if you go the magnetic progenitor route it's like... a 5% difference?

build is solid as is, i don't think you need any more optimizing unless you do smthn like lvlcap or so

[violet silo]

it would absolutely diminish elementalist what

[old marsh]

we all arguing magnetic over heat?

[violet silo]

wait do they have modded heat and progen heat

[versed harbor]

mag progenitor go

[violet silo]

ew

don’t make a progenitor the same as a modded element

[versed harbor]

save da mod slot

[violet silo]

mag progen

[old marsh]

unless its a primary that doesnt have multi co

[violet silo]

puts nukor at five statuses

[violet silo]

even then

[old marsh]

coz u want higher heat weighting

[violet silo]

what progen element would you have and mod

[old marsh]

and primary dont have primed heat

unlike secondaries

[violet silo]

oh, maybe

[old marsh]

and then there is the weighting issue with additional magnetic if u use magnetic might

instead of the other crit dmg mod

merciless gunfight

[pale echo]

I gave my Nukor(heat) a cold mod for blast procs and it's working great. Shreds through everything I've encountered in Steel Path without Elementalist

[drifting kiln]

Secura lecta DOT kills count for the bonus credits, THIS IS NOT A DRILL

optimizers are going to go nuts

[old marsh]

so imo it depends on weapon to weapon. there is no fixed criteria for adversary weapons. even in same class

and thank god we got elemental vice

[pale echo]

Fortunately they're relatively cheap so it's no punishment to actually experiment with them

[old marsh]

my only grip is the 5 forma requirement

[pale echo]

Oh.. right

[old marsh]

it should be the same as the socket swap requirement. 1 forma.

[pale echo]

Well, I wouldn't invest 5 forma in a weapon I wasn't going to use a lot. And you'd have to put 5 forma in for it to count as mastered anyway

[violet silo]

didn’t they already do that

[old marsh]

they should add a feature in sim for these weapons

but again, it just comes back to. plat currency from forma vs QoL

[wary forge]

They killed lecta

It’s over

[violet silo]

I think we should have a sim upgrade where we get to make builds with stuff we don’t have

like underframe but you get to play

like an actual farmable upgrade btw

[rancid coral]

any tips for voruna prime build?

[old marsh]

yup. but as i said. its DE's decision to encourage players to spend plat to buy stuff instead of adding it as a feature. and given WF is F2P with no paid DLCs. DLCs that r absolute cinema, this is something i can live with

[wary forge]

Don’t use her 4

[rancid coral]

what if I like her 4

its fun to use

[wary forge]

I like eating ice cream all day

[violet silo]

https://tenor.com/view/fentcord-true-coyote-gif-2599436844608872721

[wary forge]

But it’s not healthy

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lie-gif-11500229991946522721

u drink slushy all day. not ice cream

[violet silo]

dude… playing voruna the way they want is not going to hurt them in the long run or whatever this metaphor is supposed to mean

[old marsh]

how do YOU play her?

[rancid coral]

I user her 4 for the speed and fly across the map. I do use her 1 and 2 a good bit but i mainly use her 4

[old marsh]

companion? using mecha mods too?

[mighty flare]

things to improve in here, i can give tldr and thats to look at here: #1492606866482794601 message

[rancid coral]

yeah I use pharaoh predasite

[drifting kiln]

i mean, isn't that a buff? they're making it so the DOT kills for which you didn't get credits will now properly reward extra cash, that's a net positive

oh wait I just saw the issue with multi-triggers, pretty sure the strat exploited that