builds-discussion

[hollow scarab]

basically im tryna pick between them as a guy who likes auto rifles and having an alt fire/mode that does big damage in 1 shot

[solar reef]

the stahlta is just better

[prime scarab]

Looking for a non-Laetum secondary to run on Frost, specifically to boss/acolyte with. Its an ETA build with high armor and overguard running Tenet Glaxion as the primary so really just needing something to deal with the big bar people.

I don't have Dual Toxocyst, missed it on the rota, so not that one. I'd prefer something I don't have to wait for incarnon rota on, if possible.

[hollow scarab]

so the ambasador doesnt deal big damage with the charge?

[prime scarab]

Dual Coda Torxica any good for acolytes and single targets?

[solar reef]

Ambassador is hitscan

on top of just being statistically worse than Stahlta, it cant do any of the multiCO shenanigans Stahlta can

Both the primary AND alt fire of Stahlta are MultiCO

[hollow scarab]

i dont know what multico means

[solar reef]

MultiCO means condition overload/galv. aptitude are multiplicative with other damage sources, rather than additive

Some projectiles are multiCO

hitscan weapons are not

[hollow scarab]

eh wahatev then ill just make a build for both. you got a stalha build i can steal?

[solar reef]

not on hand, just look up a ninajse build or somethn

you’ll find plenty of content on it at level cap I’m sure

It’s easily one of my favorite primaries, but I haven’t used in much since multi-acuity got patched

[versed harbor]

they arent rly comparable cuz they have way different use cases but use stahlta

[fierce lark]

stahlta is just not balanced lol

[bold warren]

Can I change anything here to include Sentient Incision?

[fierce lark]

verdict:

it sucks

nah uh

it's fine

i would reconfigure it to be pure electricity, but in the meanwhile that can replace your cold mod

empty slot should be galvanized aptitude

[vagrant rain]

thanks

[bold warren]

Am I talking to myself

Like PLEASE.

[prime scarab]

Yeah thats the attitude that'll get you help

[bold warren]

I’m sorry but 🤷 I don’t think I’m being unreasonable wondering how to fit the Venato Mod in

[prime scarab]

You do realize nobody here is getting paid to be here, right?

Like they're all random dudes online who have no obligation to help you in a timely manner or at all?

Getting snippy because you don't get an answer right away is a surefire way to make sure you get no answer at all

[prime scarab]

Edit: There are probably a couple women too

[fierce lark]

nah women don't exist on the internet

[fierce lark]

gladiator might is just here as filler and can easily be replaced with just about anything, including smites or the augment

[brittle sleet]

Unless existing under the FBI agent clause

[bold warren]

My bad 😔

[spice willow]

How would xatas whisper on yareli 3 be good with kompressa

Someone said it was good

[sullen vessel]

Is there any way to strip and/or prime enemies without doing any damage to them?

[hollow scarab]

what should i put in this last slot on my falcor?

[chrome badge]

heavy blow

[hollow scarab]

tbh its a light attack/light throw build but aight

or at least thats what im doing with it

[bold warren]

Thank you for the help but is there any improvements I can make on this build whilst I lack Primed Reach etc?

To make it Synergise better with the Unique Trait it has

Is Melee Doughty any good?

I’m so confused

[fierce lark]

doughty is bad in general, i dont think venato can save it

you could use galv elementalist instead of reach, regular reach isn't amazing

otherwise idk just max influence and use a tennokai exilus

[bold warren]

Why cut Gladiator Might for the Venato Mod?

If I may ask.

[solar reef]

its just not enough cc/cd to justify using it over other mods

[bold warren]

Would I be better waiting to buy the Melee Influences / is this acceptable for the Venato?

[open warren]

Is there any reason for kompressa prime radial blast not increasing with the primed mod?

Im trying to expand the blast area but seems it doesn't change with any aoe mod

[hollow scarab]

is blood rush better than the umbral crit chance or should i keep the umbral on my combo falcor

[bold warren]

Thank you for explaining btw

[bold warren]

I just dunno what to do

Like seriously, what should I do with Venato

[finite lintel]

Do i need green shards to make saryn sobek build

Or does it just help

[prime scarab]

Okay I'm stuck on this last mod slot for Frost.

Bottom left is Boreal's Hatred right now but I'll be replacing it with Health Conversion...eventually. 100k standing is rough.

This last empty slot is taunting me though. I kinda feel like just slamming regular efficiency in there once Boreal's is replaced. Make the spamming even easier. Maybe preparation. Any thoughts?

Actually Freeze Force would go really sick here, his other aug. I might just run that.

I agree, bold of you to admit this

[finite lintel]

Do i need green shards to make saryn sobek build

[opal leaf]

Yeah that's enough, Ive had r1 melee Influence and been using it for months now, though and r5 will be perfect

[spice willow]

What's a good subsumed onto yareli 3 if I'm using kompressa and yareli?
I'm thinking about xatas whisper, but there's also roar and eclipse. Whats the best, and are there any other good subsumed for dmg

[opal leaf]

What I do is just armor

Your OG generation scales on armor while OG cap scales ok strength

[solar reef]

xata whisper is almost exclusively preferred if you’re using blast

in every other scenario you’d want roar or eclipse

[rancid mirage]

does anyone want to explain to me how necramch rage works?

it seems great but i dont understand why i cant js keep storm shroud active instead of trying to regen energy through risking hp dmg

[opal leaf]

Necramech go "Grr" ||(idk...)||

[rancid mirage]

i have been reading ppls comments on it but they are all like 3-5 years old so

[prime scarab]

Does tenet glaxion get anything for overleveling aside from mod capacity?

[spice willow]

What's the use case for them

[rancid mirage]

you get mastery so

i dont think you get mastery if u dont hit rank 40

[solar reef]

roar is preferred when using DOT’s
Eclipse is usually only preferred for weapons that double dip with it (zaws/glaives)

9/10 times Roar is the best choice between the three damage boosting abilities

Theres also Nourish

[rancid mirage]

xata too

[solar reef]

you missed the whole first part

[rancid mirage]

was it roar vs eclipse

[solar reef]

no it was all three of them

Xatas is only the best option under unique circumstances, blast, double dipping, that sorts

[rancid mirage]

what about elemental ward, niche but its dmg ability

[solar reef]

I dont know chroma ball but i would assume it does not apply here (yareli)

[rancid mirage]

i think i only use it for hildyrn to get more shield through electric ward

cant rlly think of other case besides that rn

oh if its yareli, elemental ward might work

might not be as good of dmg like roar but its bit more unique

[spice willow]

So for kompressa yareli use xata if im using blast?

Other than that use roar?

[solar reef]

afaik it has no unique interactions with Eclipse so yeah

[spice willow]

Ok

Why is blast good with xatas whisper

[opal leaf]

It has a weird interaction with it

Like... Let me search it

[solar reef]

xatas blast creates a second instance of damage
this applies to both the base hit AND blast hits

that double dips with faction bonuses as well

It can quadruple dip

[spice willow]

What's "elemental bonuses"

[opal leaf]

Malz already explained it as simple as possible

[spice willow]

So would I first xata then blast to deal blast and extra blast damage

[solar reef]

Xata is a duration cast

[latent adder]

Mods like primed heated charge

[opal leaf]

No just have Blast on a weapon

Oh hey Ninjase

[latent adder]

Normally blast is weak and doesn't take elemental mods bonuses

Xata just makes it actually usable

[solar reef]

Xata’s BlastFluence 🤑

[opal leaf]

What weapon where that would work?

[solar reef]

I’m partial to the Wolf Sledge

Its a phenomenal choice on Exalted Blade

[spice willow]

But I need to cast xatas though, do you mean like blast then xata?

[solar reef]

I’m sure theres plenty of cases where it’s a geeat option

[opal leaf]

Isn't that the "glaive hammer"?

[opal leaf]

Yes it's a Duration ability

Just apply Xata in your weapon and you're good to go

[solar reef]

Xatas is a duration cast, like roar

you just mod blast onto your weapon

you cast it and its up for like 20-40 seconds

[latent adder]

Xata is a buff u just press it once every 60s and all attacks with blast status will trigger it

[solar reef]

some of the damage calculations with it are a mess

[opal leaf]

My Torid loves that buff

And weirdly when I modded for Acceltra Blast hahahaha

[spice willow]

Sorry but don't understand
So is it set and forget, shoot enemies with blast and high damage

[latent adder]

Essentially yes

[solar reef]

yes, its cast and forget for the duration

[opal leaf]

Xaku is a double dip buff right? Just wanna make sure I'm on the right page

[solar reef]

do be careful though, it messes with your fashion 😰

[solar reef]

double dips with blast procs + faction mods

[opal leaf]

Roar buffs universally but uses on DoT

Nourish gives Viral and Energy-efficient

Xata have extra damage

Am I correct with these?

[solar reef]

vaguely

[static sphinx]

Is any hound type superior in anything compared to other companions?

[errant trellis]

which link?

[old marsh]

All hounds have similar stats. They do have specific exclusive mods that make them stand out as compared to sentinels. Many lvl cap players prefer hounds over other companions

[solar reef]

for contagion?

[errant trellis]

ye

[static sphinx]

I mean what is the advantage of hounds (survivability, crowd control, damage, etc.) over other companions? And which hound is better at that thing?

[solar reef]

Iirc you want balla, peye, then Vargeet II Jai

Don’t remember which grip gets you the right stance

i think its peye though

[errant trellis]

i mean peye is dagger

[undone dust]

pee

[old marsh]

All of the above

[solar reef]

yeah thats right then

[errant trellis]

okie dokie ty

[rancid mirage]

also very good primer

[static sphinx]

Which hound is best for crowd control or damage then?

[old marsh]

ALL of THEM

[solar reef]

they are the best priming companions in the game

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gary-oldman-everyone-gif-14317847

[solar reef]

they do have some survival issues towards level cap though

[static sphinx]

My most used weapons are tenet glaxion and kuva nukor, so it's not exactly what I'm looking for.

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[solar reef]

Basically forced to use a melee set up to keep them alive

[static sphinx]

It's a nice addition nonetheless

[old marsh]

Just use the exclusive mods

Specially Reflex denial

[solar reef]

“the exclusive mods”
ah yes- 95% DR for my 11mil damage bullets

surely thats enough dr

[timber sparrow]

rate this nataruk build i had

[old marsh]

Told ya. Skill issue

[rancid mirage]

i mean more priming the better also I am a big fan of glaxion as well so I js do mag blast xata and make my companion do viral bc I do like crit and status hybrid

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/pulsive-pulsivee-pulsiveee-oppenheimer-oppenheimer-meme-gif-12511657345979901950

[undone dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/378209556414726144/1453006494621503633/morbillion_of_them.gif

[solar reef]

but yeah thats been my biggest push away from hounds

the only frame I use em on is Ichor Saryn

[old marsh]

Loki, ember, rhino for me. Took them to lvl cap with hounds

[static sphinx]

I guess you're not wrong, and I don't mind more ways to torture enemies with status effects. But it's hard to decide on the type of hound, since it seems like the difference makes no sense.

[solar reef]

and melee volt

[rancid mirage]

there always smeata for passive looting bonus in the background and forget about hound until you want it again

[old marsh]

Get them all coz MR

Same for MOAs. Free MR

[solar reef]

its just fashion
you can use each hound’s mod on any hound

[rancid mirage]

look at precept mods

[solar reef]

the precept mods aren’t exclusive to the type of hound they come with

[errant trellis]

de please give hounds skins

[rancid mirage]

dont you need to claim the parts to get em and each part cost space tho?

[static sphinx]

I see. I thought that hounds work similar to beasts, and require specific type for specific mods.

[old marsh]

It’s fine. Many prefer electric

[undone dust]

give predasites and vulps skins too

[timber sparrow]

really?

[undone dust]

why do moas get a skin

[solar reef]

They all get to use eachothers precepts 🎉

[solar reef]

still waiting in virmink skin for vulpas

https://tenor.com/view/hl2-hl3-half-life-3-hopium-hope-gif-7246120153840726923

[mighty flare]

balla used for dagger form

[undone dust]

one kubrodon skin for preds please!

[static sphinx]

What about hounds parts though? What is the best combination?

[old marsh]

No. I was lying all the time. Gotcha. Now pay me 300 plat and only then I will tell u /s

[solar reef]

whichever one looks the best

[static sphinx]

Do they also affect looks?

[novel bear]

Doesn’t really matter as long as they have enough shields for reinforced bond

[static sphinx]

So, shield focus is the most important when it comes to parts?

[old marsh]

just keep running sisters for tenet weapons. Get your MR and delete. Then once u have the 3rd unique one, keep it and enjoy.

[novel bear]

There’s only two combinations that don’t have enough shields

[solar reef]

i hope in the future they make something similar to pack leader but for guns
would improve hounds qol so much

[novel bear]

All others are equivalent

[rancid mirage]

i be running nezha all the time bc his chakram triggers pack leader js bc

[hollow scarab]

is the soma incarnon better than the boltor incarnon?

[solar reef]

actually, on a real note
does the shock claw Influence interaction also proc Pack Leader

[static sphinx]

I have a few hounds in my inventory, and like 6 of them in the foundry. I also have some parts blueprints. I simply want to either choose 1, or make 1 myself, the one that will actually be "best". Essentially I'm trying to minmax hound build (excluding mods as of right now).

[old marsh]

In my eyes it is

[solar reef]

i’d argue soma is better than soma incarnon

[rancid mirage]

i mean i dont know but i think melee has to come from frame

[old marsh]

As DoS said. Keep the one with highest shield. Max rank and sell rest

[hollow scarab]

cuz i dont have it but ive been thinking of getting it while i DO have the boldor incarnon

[static sphinx]

I have max rank on all 4 types.

[solar reef]

i meach its YOUR melee arcane getting procced by it

So I’m curious if those two interact

[rancid mirage]

i have used volt w shock trooper and smeat cant make packleader by it self

[old marsh]

Then just sell the ones with low shield.

[static sphinx]

Which hound weapon is the best though? I want to sell the worse ones.

[static sphinx]

Alright

[old marsh]

The one with highest status chance.

[rancid mirage]

idrk how to rlly test it bc most melee build has fast attk speed and sp has enough enemies to max out pack leader instantly

[static sphinx]

Alright, thanks.

[solar reef]

thats not the point

YOU arent melee attacking

Your companions can proc melee influence if they have electric on their claws

[undone dust]

do they have to have shocking collar or can they just have the 60/60

[novel bear]

Status doesn’t matter

Manifold bond force procs

[solar reef]

So I’m curious if that will also proc Pack Leader since its your melee’s arcane

[rancid mirage]

no bc I have ran around w shock trooper melee infulence melee and when melee infulence buff is active w shock trooper buff on my smeata, smeata never gain overguard from it

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/nathan-fillion-uhm-but-wait-gif-9301334

[rancid mirage]

and my smeata would die or get low on overguard as soon as i switch to gun play in my volt

so even if it can trigger it, that tiny 2.2k overguard is gone in a haert bit

[solar reef]

its not about how fast its gone

its about how fast you can generate/gate it

[rancid mirage]

i mean i am telling you it doesnt work but talk about gating w something that you cant generate from first place

wym gate with it

it doesnt work man

[solar reef]

overguard has a gate (similar to shields)

[twilit crest]

Ur suppose 2 only melee

[solar reef]

didnt read the rest of the conversation

[twilit crest]

Ye I’m good

[solar reef]

this is in regards to companions proccing melee influence
and in turn, if that influence proc can self-gen Pack Leader

[undone dust]

@solar reef is it only certain beast companions that can proc influence? i was gonna test it rq

[rancid mirage]

ik, and i am telling other guy it cant make overguard by it self bc it js doesnt work and i think this is bc melee infulence buff is applied to frame not on pet

[solar reef]

i would assume its anything in which you can mod electric onto its claws

[rancid mirage]

idk if pet can take advantage of influence bc influence gets applied to your melee/your frame

[undone dust]

i was letting my sunika slap around a bunch of enemies and it just wasnt proccing anything, so either it's really inconsistent or it's only certain companions

on another note i did not realize companion melee kills procced dex arcanes

[solar reef]

I know vulpas can

or could at least

[solar reef]

yeah they’re coded really weirdly

[rancid mirage]

it might be bc me infulence itself has like 20% to spread and idk how much sc your claw has

[undone dust]

400

[rancid mirage]

also even tho I run w shocker trooper volt w some sort of infulence melee all the time

i never noticed my pets procing infulence

[twilit crest]

Cuz influence is bad

[rancid mirage]

So like is bro gonna expand more on it or wha

If he got no further comments that is nothing more than a npcish ragebait

[solar reef]

he just does that

[placid seal]

So does thermal transfer only add bonus damage?

[spiral verge]

I might be dumb, but which value do I have? And why is the red value stuck there? It should be saved right?

[rancid mirage]

Like i was waiting for additional comments or a take but like

[solar reef]

no he literally just does that dont expect any thought to it

[opal leaf]

On specific elements if I remember correctly

[undone dust]

yeah im not having any luck with beast companions proccing influence, the only companion that i know that at least does it still off the top of my head is diriga but sentinels cant use pack leader so i wouldnt be able to check that portion

[rancid mirage]

ok

[placid seal]

So it doesn't give you heat cold or blast

You need it on your weapon correct?

[undone dust]

it gives those to your weapon, yes

[opal leaf]

No it gives it to your weapons

[undone dust]

the % damage of the element added is scaled by your frame's ability strength

[placid seal]

Bro

[undone dust]

so whatever sunder you cast, you'll have that element added to your weapon

[solar reef]

doesnt it just act like modded status/elem

[undone dust]

im pretty sure yeah

[placid seal]

Even if I'm not using blast. It would give it to me?

[undone dust]

if it's not lavos or any resupply esque ability, it's not usually guaranteed

[undone dust]

yes

[placid seal]

...

[undone dust]

if you only run say, viral heat, you can cast blast sunder and itll add blast on top of those elements

[placid seal]

So I have been put into a argument for false info

[rancid mirage]

yes and ppl almost never js do heat or cold bonus bc blast bonus value is combined of hest and cold bonus

You js get more out of it doing blast

[rancid mirage]

Unless you want to boost heat element to max but at that point you want roar anyways

[placid seal]

What to slot there then

[rancid mirage]

Idk I never use gauss for nuking

[placid seal]

It's a weapon plat

[rancid mirage]

I only use him for platform

[undone dust]

id take off archon vit then definitely

[rancid mirage]

Also idk if nuker gauss should use thermal

Oh

[undone dust]

also brief is kind of useless when you get the passive shenanigans to work

[rancid mirage]

In that case I use quick thinking bc I js get assassinated by toxin

Also I prefer concentration over augmented

I kinda go full duration and str, sacrifice range and efficiency

[placid seal]

I still want to nuke even if it's a weapon platform

[rancid mirage]

You can in lower lvl but I couldn’t find a way to make gauss do it all in one build

[placid seal]

Well actually

[twilit crest]

The truth is simple

[rancid mirage]

Like I was messing around w his build and I concluded that you either go full nuke or platform

Hybrid kinda sucks I think

[placid seal]

I have another uh

Slot or whatever for another buikd

That literally says "weapon plat soon"

So let's start there

[rancid mirage]

Yk I will js post my gauss build here gimme sec

[twilit crest]

We’re good

[rancid mirage]

idealy you would want psf and replace fortitude w str or more duration or even rolling guard for magnetic proc hits but this is what i run with

[placid seal]

Thing is I don't subsume.

[rancid mirage]

you can also take off quick thinking if you are going to active dodge toxin dmg

[twilit crest]

Avg build be like

[rancid mirage]

do you use shards?

[placid seal]

Got 4 tau reds and 1 tau yellow for 45 energy filled on spawn

[rancid mirage]

i use purple energy shards so i dont have equilibrium

since i am fully going platform w high duration, i am not casting often so i chose that

[flat patrol]

Are there any health tanks besides inaros, nidus, Grendel that might benefit from persistence plus triple umbral I have like 10 umbral forma

[rancid mirage]

i do hydroid

[flat patrol]

You just use two umbrals there right since hydroid has a lot of armor

[undone dust]

yeah i love duration based armor

[rancid mirage]

my base build but i personally find it a bit mid but do what you want with it

[rancid mirage]

oh yea i didnt use 3 on it

[undone dust]

you use 2 on triumbral no matter what anyway

[rancid mirage]

i used extra forma

[undone dust]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-glow-glowing-angel-hallucinating-gif-489344050525737667

[rancid mirage]

yea idk if theres anycase when you have to use three umbral

[undone dust]

revenant prime best health tank

[placid seal]

So add quick thinking and consitution

[rancid mirage]

consitution can js be augur message tho

[flat patrol]

Doesn’t valk use tri umbral

[rancid mirage]

and i do highly recommend quick thinking

[placid seal]

I'm at 262 during already

[undone dust]

she can but like there's no reason to unless you're damage capping with wrathful and exposure

[placid seal]

But I'll do augur for more dur

Because I can definitely gate enough

[undone dust]

quick thinking automatically becomes useless if you're not fighting against anything with a toxin eximus (or a nox)

[rancid mirage]

augur gives less

[placid seal]

Augur message

[rancid mirage]

constitution gives more duration than message

[undone dust]

it's a 4% dur difference

for like half the mod cost

[placid seal]

Yea

[flat patrol]

You use ice storm over the 60% duration arcane?

[placid seal]

I'll stick with augur mess

[rancid mirage]

yea he said hes doing augur for more duration when i told em augur message works as well

[rancid mirage]

its bc str and i use concentration on more weapon platform build

[undone dust]

they were just saying augur for more duration in general, not saying const was more than aug

[rancid mirage]

@flat patrol

[flat patrol]

Ah gotcha I mainly use gauss for wep platform with the munition helminth

[rancid mirage]

the thermal transfer does need some str and i think blind rage js kinda makes spamming his 3 annoying so

[flat patrol]

Huh I should try that thermal transfer plus xata. I just use gauss for aoe wep spam

But taking sprint off of gauss feels rly sad

[rancid mirage]

yup too shame i dont have psf

[placid seal]

I hate subsuming

[rancid mirage]

if you subsume 2 then you will get knocked down

[flat patrol]

Hard pressed to subsume off 2

[rancid mirage]

also his 2 drain battery so much so i dont like using it

you do get battery out of meleeing w follow through bonus but

[drowsy pelican]

Anyone have a voruna prime build? I never really liked her, but I decided to re-try her because of the prime and have no idea how to build her.

[placid seal]

I just spam 3 or 1 to counter act that

[solar reef]

melee or 4 spam

[flat patrol]

Do u like the ulfrun endurance?

[drowsy pelican]

I do not have the augment mods, where do you get them by the way?

[rancid mirage]

you also get battery by meleeing but i didnt rlly like how it worked

[flat patrol]

The augment mod prey of dynar kinda defines her. I would try trade chat or Warframe market for around 15 plat

[opal leaf]

Gauss? I never had a problem on that tbh hahha

[placid seal]

I use hate and thalys

[opal leaf]

Especially when his 2 is always on

[placid seal]

So.

[drowsy pelican]

I barely do it either and when I do, it’s usually just lycaths hunt on every frame

[rancid mirage]

do you play solo?

[flat patrol]

Nourish is a valuable subsume

[drowsy pelican]

No, but I mean what syndicate sells them

[flat patrol]

When u get to 100% battery it stops draining

[opal leaf]

Yuppers, I had 2 always on, and just spam Cold and Acceltra on the way

I always have 100% Redline on

[opal leaf]

Oh fr? I didn't thought of that hahaha

[rancid mirage]

i swear to god, my battery went from 80% to 40% in few sec, idrk how to use it besides js turning it on after you hit 100%

[flat patrol]

U can just tap spam the 1 for a lot of battery

[placid seal]

And add arcane con?

[opal leaf]

What does quick thinking do?

[placid seal]

Protects from lethal damage with 240% eff

Protects from toxin

[opal leaf]

Oh I might use that on Nokko

Thing is.. How reliable it is

Let me ask my mentor

[rancid mirage]

the problem is, the drain is greater than gain and only way to safely use it is activating it after you get to 100% but then you dont have knock down protection while you are building up to 100% so its kinda clunky in that sense

[placid seal]

The gain is more

It's like 15 or 20%

Or more

[rancid mirage]

you be saying hit 1 and 3 but do you think i wasnt sprinting and doing those 2 things

[opal leaf]

Have 100% efficiency and 100% strength, and then 100% redline

Redline build up is always slow

There is no counter to that

[placid seal]

Not if you have low duration

[flat patrol]

I mean if we going for thermal transfer and xata shouldn’t we use hot shot?

[placid seal]

Lower duration faster charge

[opal leaf]

True

[rancid mirage]

its prob bc my duration is close to 400% and higher the duration harder the build up

[rancid mirage]

does hotshot get trigger by blast?

[twilit crest]

What do u think

[rancid mirage]

i can see by some werid coding, blast made from heat and cold triggering hotshot but like i never seen anyone saying it while i was months long research

ik it def gets triggered by heat thermal but i dont rlly cast heat often enough to max it

[flat patrol]

Idk but I find this build comfy enough

[placid seal]

Gauss at max recline can't be hit by those nulls?

[opal leaf]

Tasty platinum

[rancid mirage]

no i think they can turn it off

[placid seal]

They really suck at their job then

[opal leaf]

Jokes aside, do you have all 5 red tau shards on dura?

[rancid mirage]

you js gotta dodge toxin dmg ig

[flat patrol]

4 duration, 1 cast

[flat patrol]

I pray

[opal leaf]

Oooo tauforged?

[flat patrol]

Ofc for my boy gauss

[rancid mirage]

i used to be like max duration max fire rate goer but i converted to quick thinker safer gauss side

i got tired of getting one tapped by random toxin dmg

[opal leaf]

I might got back to Gauss again but I'm Fond to Nokko so I need to make Gauss into a mushroom :3

[flat patrol]

Wouldn’t something like this work (need to level stuff up and forms to slot psf)

[opal leaf]

I might copy your other build tbh hhah

[sturdy walrus]

what is the best weapons and melee to use for Mesa Prime?

[flat patrol]

It’s rly fun blinding urself with tenet envoy

[placid seal]

Strength for?

[flat patrol]

Well this build is for dmg; archon shards make up duration strength to scale augment and xata

[opal leaf]

I'll pass on that, or else I'll be squinting a lot hahaha

[placid seal]

Oh you have xata

I didn't see.

[solar reef]

rauta + furax + Arcane Outburst

Every pellet of rauta (shotgun) that hits gives you combo count, you can max it in 2 seconds

[twilit crest]

Why the Rauta

[flat patrol]

If u don’t use aoe weps with low ammo just don’t subsume on energized munitions and replace one of the mods with thermal transfer

[twilit crest]

Thx

[solar reef]

Furax for the fire rate

[opal leaf]

Acceltra... That's my use always on gauss

Melted acolytes in less than a second hahaha

[sturdy walrus]

what should I use for SECONDARY?

[solar reef]

doesnt really matter

just use whatever you want

[opal leaf]

Or dual Toxo :3

[gleaming vapor]

dont rauta man

thatd just take forever to stack every time

just use crescendo

[solar reef]

that works too

[gleaming vapor]

for secondary, I usually take something that does big ST damage (becasue Mesa kinda struggles with that in higher levels)

• vasto
• furis
  those are my usual choices

[solar reef]

would you just run bronco or something with dizzying rounds

and then either burston/furis?

[gleaming vapor]

void snare on vazarin

[solar reef]

guh icky

[gleaming vapor]

I usually run afentis or tferrox on primary

[gleaming vapor]

well should run vaz anyway since shes got frame vuln on all 4 of her abilities

so you can prot sling

[solar reef]

doesnt start with an m nor end with i

not interested

[gleaming vapor]

could run madurai if you stack ic with cdag ig

100 primary kills to get to 10x (or 11x with riven)

[solar reef]

or just run something with stun/sleep

like dizzying rounds

[gleaming vapor]

oh yeah i forgot

muzzle flash

which stuns enemies (and opens them up to finishers)

[solar reef]

yeah that would work

[gleaming vapor]

using the secondary slot just to do finishers at the beginning of the mission 🥀

basically useless for like 99% of the mission

[solar reef]

i mean I dont play any mission that isnt at least 45 minutes long atp

so thats not an issue afaic

I also dont play mesa though because i think shes a snooze fest

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318

[gleaming vapor]

regulators really struggle with thrax at cap

[solar reef]

the humble furis/burston

[gleaming vapor]

well yes

furis

since you already got liek 3-4 orange shards (ideally) the secondary slot should be hte one used for killing thrax

[solar reef]

gah my arma servers been down for like 20 minutes, finally goes back up and in in a que

[gleaming vapor]

rather than primary

[solar reef]

heard

i’ll fashion her when the heirloom drops then throw her away again

[gleaming vapor]

Im currently working on a video for her since I wrote a 35 page guide, but then remembered wf players cant read

im like something about halfway done

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/rakai-rakai-reading-yapping-kai-cenat-duke-dennis-gif-5553610152463754583

[barren birch]

so I need to get a decent archgun for guilty, what should I get?

[gleaming vapor]

maus is good

[solar reef]

i use larkspur because its fat and ugly

https://tenor.com/view/cat-please-do-not-the-cat-gif-11013093716903899251

and by use i mean i shoved two Dexterity arcanes on it and forgot about it

[barren birch]

oh mausolon

[wary forge]

No

[hearty verge]

does arcane fury work on ulfrun's descent?

[barren birch]

is kuva gratler any good?

[mighty flare]

no

[mighty flare]

yes

[barren birch]

I got a 30% heat one on my current lich

[opal leaf]

Good enough

It's like half half

[balmy phoenix]

whats better for excal? influence exaulted blade build or an afflictions slash dash build?

[brittle pelican]

Yo is this a good strun build? im mr4

[chrome badge]

influence exalted blade + slash dash usage

[solar reef]

its not coded as a melee in any way that it can benefit from melee buffing effects that dont come from her own kit

[balmy phoenix]

My excal build, any tips or advise? (using 1 casting speed, 1 equilibrium, 1 energy orb effectiveness & 2 melee crit dmg archon shards)

[primal bane]

Does anyone here know how vauban’s bastille and vortex interact with oraxia’s web? Specifically if the damage vulnerability will apply or will his 4 cancel it out

If anyone knows or could test it, it’d be extremely helpful

[solar reef]

tri umbral with no persistence

[opal leaf]

Where in the isle Weaver section?

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

[opal leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-garrys-mod-garrys-mod-physics-fast-intense-gif-26322619

Hes a baby tenno... Give him a pass

[solar reef]

im anti-persistence but if you’re gonna run tri umbral you best be running persistence

two big fast wasted mod slots on health/armor

using brief respite too so its not like you’re oblivious to shield gate

Too many mixed signals here

[opal leaf]

Hehehehe

[balmy phoenix]

i was basing it off of a build I saw online, i see I should adjust a few things though

[opal leaf]

Ooooo which online build is thag

There is a reason we follow Ninjase builds here not random builds

[solar reef]

tldr: Health and armor are ultimately meaningless since enemies 1-2 shot anyways

if you arent building for persistence theres almost zero reason to ever touch either health mods, armor mods, or mods that increase shield capacity

[balmy phoenix]

https://youtu.be/w6H_wS53vfo?si=8NR1sYO1UZKOpcIQ this one

[solar reef]

this can be achieved without sitting on health/armor mods to better effect

[opal leaf]

Yeah..... Nah...

[fierce lark]

without watching the vid, health and armor both don’t do anything to overguard, so if you’re running circumvent there’s no reason to run triumbral

[mighty flare]

excal also has spammable invulnerability & crowd control

[opal leaf]

One thing I know and stay in principle is

If I go health tank

Persistence and Tri Umbral

[opal leaf]

His 1 do I frame right?

[fierce lark]

the only reason really to run umbral vit/fiber on excal is if you don’t want to forma off the umbral slots

[gleaming vapor]

sometimes not

Mesa persistence (which exists) only runs diumbral

[fierce lark]

and if you’re doing that then you should run persistence and blessing

[gleaming vapor]

with precision intensify

[solar reef]

just play regular excal

[opal leaf]

Yeah sometimes, it's just most warframe health rank

I mean my Nidus is not in Tri umbral hahaha

[fierce lark]

i also just don’t like persistence excal for forcing you to lose either a melee mod slot or a subsume to stay alive

[fierce lark]

i mean ye base excal is actually just better lol

[opal leaf]

What do you even need to make Excal comfy

[solar reef]

its just cope

[fierce lark]

but not by enough to really matter

[solar reef]

like literally every health tank excal build is just “no no its better because teo says so!”

[fierce lark]

it’s not better but it’s lazier

lazy survivability is fine

[balmy phoenix]

Ok so I threw on persistence and steel charge, are there any other changes I should make?

[fierce lark]

steel charge is garbage

[solar reef]

but but but additive melee damage!

[balmy phoenix]

what would you recommend?

[solar reef]

to go with my additive furious javelin!

[fierce lark]

furious javelin is multi

but it’s annoying as shit to use lol

[solar reef]

is it?

[opal leaf]

Corrosive Projection for general purposes

[fierce lark]

ye it’s multi and it scales w ability str

[mighty flare]

yes

[solar reef]

neat

[mighty flare]

still doesnt make steel charge good tho

[fierce lark]

it is a ton of extra dmg but like we’re talking about influence exalted blade, barely need more damage atp and throwing javelins tends to be annoying

[balmy phoenix]

right on, should I put on more health and armor as well? and if so what sources?

[fierce lark]

armor no health maybe

[mighty flare]

yes

[solar reef]

if you ARE persistence tanking you dont need more health

just make sure you reach 700 armor

[opal leaf]

Shield gate it is

Tbh, Excal bore me

[fierce lark]

if you run persistence, all forms of DR are useless, you just need enough of a health pool to survive and then a means to restore at least 500/s consistently

[balmy phoenix]

incase there is heat procs is 882 enough armor?

[fierce lark]

no but dw about that

[solar reef]

ive avoided excal since the pseudo exalted rework

[fierce lark]

if you want to play around heat you need 1400 armor

[opal leaf]

The moment I got Excal Umbra, hes been there for a while, collecting dusts

[opal leaf]

What about Toxin :3

[solar reef]

just gotta cope with rolling guard/slash dash

[balmy phoenix]

Ok, is there anything else I should change out? I have a panzer for heals

[opal leaf]

Imma just be a baby mushroom cause he I'm committed to make him a main hahaha

[fierce lark]

toxin doesn’t affect persistence

[opal leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-scroll-crying-depression-doomscrolling-gif-4138822033792608878

Status cleans is still reliable I guess hahaha

[gleaming vapor]

brightbonnet is lowk a bait subsume

500 strength to hit max bonus btw 😭

[primal bane]

I wanna subsume his 3 for oraxia’s web

[opal leaf]

Oh... Yeah... Idk
. I found it useless and it sounds like it's only good for Oraxia

Haven't used oraxja

[gray quarry]

The humble status immunity/cleanse:

[fierce lark]

wym

[opal leaf]

Perfect counter

[gray quarry]

nvm I didn’t read correctly

Thought you meant tox bypasses persistence

[barren birch]

how should I build my kuva gratler

[opal leaf]

That's the arch gun right?

[gray quarry]

By claiming it from the foundry

[fierce lark]

o no i meant toxin doesn't interact with persistence lol

[opal leaf]

huh??????

[fierce lark]

it just does its damage as it would

[gray quarry]

Ah

[gray quarry]

You gotta claim it from the foundry to use it

[opal leaf]

Wait what do you mean by this... My English translator in my brain is not working properly

[gray quarry]

Tox do damage like normal

[dull laurel]

If making a sporelacer for acolyte killing how would you build it and would you use galv mods. Since it's just for acolyte killing

[opal leaf]

Oh

[dull laurel]

Can you still nuke acolytes with a non galv sporelacer or do you need to build up stacks when u see lights flicker

[barren birch]

:< I meant like a mod build ya goof

[gray quarry]

Ah, uuuuh just slap on whatever. I don’t think there’s that many archgun mods

[mighty flare]

do whatever you want in the last slot, this uses magnetic progen

[wary forge]

Burger

[gleaming vapor]

youre a burger

[wary forge]

No

[novel bear]

Don’t need to hit max bonus for it to be good

[gleaming vapor]

still mid even outside of max

theres no frames that genuinely use it outside of arbi

[wary forge]

🍔

[chrome badge]

mesa, qorvex, dante, gara, are some

gara is a stretch but doable with brightbonnet

[torpid patio]

How should I build my hate? I wanna invest in it bc I just got its incarnon. This is what I have so far.

[marble marten]

Toxocyst riven
391% dmg 147% zoom -71% status duration Does it have any value?

[chrome badge]

no

well low value really

[marble marten]

XD

[chrome badge]

roll it more

please, i beg of thee

[marble marten]

Dmg is good but , bruh

[chrome badge]

not as good as anything else you couldve rolled tho

[gray quarry]

Wellll since you’re in pain and agony, noh

[wary forge]

You got plus zoom on a riven and think it’s good

[chrome badge]

Nitrogen Hydroxide ⁉️

[gleaming vapor]

mesa and dante prefer other subsumes any day of the week

mesa on nourish and dante on (probably) roar

[chrome badge]

butttttt its funnnnnnn

[gleaming vapor]

idk what qorvex does

[chrome badge]

:0

[gleaming vapor]

not optimal smh

[chrome badge]

sure it is

im optimizing my fun and enjoyment

😛

for the giggles and shits

[wary forge]

Qorvex is just a fake tung tung tung sahur

[novel bear]

Think qorvex prefers grouping

[novel bear]

More consistent grouping than the walls

[chrome badge]

ehhhhhh hallways can do that for you + you hardly need to aim if you aim at your towers iirc

[novel bear]

Damage goes up exponentially the more enemies are in range of each other

You want grouping

[marble marten]

150% crit dmg 132% firerate -68% status duration now , andd I ran out of Kuva lol

[opal leaf]

Just keep Rolling when u have Kuva next fime

[wary forge]

Tuff

[novel bear]

No wukong?

[opal leaf]

No Nokko?

[fossil basalt]

Does anyone have a god saryn build to spare? it could be a weapon platform

[opal leaf]

Weapon platform? God Saryn build?

Isn't that just Sobek Saryn?

[wary forge]

Any weapon Sayrn

[opal leaf]

[void snow]

what options should i choose?

[fossil basalt]

idk? do you have the build?

[opal leaf]

I don't use saryn

But since you want weapon platformer

Focus strength and Duration

It's the basic building for weapon platformers

[slender plover]

Hey I was trying to replicate this build and he mentioned he had 8x base critical damage on exalted blade. When I was using trying to replicate the build I could not get it to 8x how does he do it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_I5Yk5UBGw

[chrome badge]

purple shards

likely

[slender plover]

ok ty

[barren birch]

ok so, what is progen?

[chrome badge]

progen(itor)

[barren birch]

oh is that saying the guns element is mag

[chrome badge]

...sure

[barren birch]

OH WAIT MAG

why'd he say magnetic... :(

[barren birch]

look I may be a bit stupid. I forgot mag even exists

[chrome badge]

the warframe ❓

[barren birch]

yes.

Plus in my defense what does the progenitor have to do with the build for the weapon?

[chrome badge]

more statuses you dont have to mod for

plus magnetic is nice for shredding overguard

[barren birch]

ok wait now I'm confused. why'd you say "...sure" all sassy like

either I was right on it being the element or you were calling me stupid for forgetting mag (the frame) exists

[chrome badge]

not sassy more like whyd you refer to magnetic as mag when mag could be the frame or magazine size or magnetic

i dont call ppl stupid

its all a learning experience or wtvr

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lies-rage-furious-sassy-gif-8650455

[chrome badge]

fine... i call stupid people stupid, but only if its really stupid

[barren birch]

regardless ima go back to finishing up the setup then post what I've got

[chrome badge]

like saying torid is the best weapon ever, yareli sucks, koumei is trash, etc etc

[old marsh]

1 extra status of choice or status weighting (this matters in primary and melees)

[chrome badge]

well in this context its a archgun

[barren birch]

ye but I thought it was talking about the progenitor frame with the sassy "sure"

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-zoning-out-cat-stare-black-cat-black-cat-tiktok-stare-gif-6568742496074847242

[barren birch]

like does choosing a different frame even effect anything in the weapon?

[old marsh]

Imma see myself out

[chrome badge]

yea the progenitor bonus

give me a sec to pull up the reference

[barren birch]

WAIT IS THAT WHY ALL OF MINE HAVE BEEN HEAT?

[old marsh]

Playing too much Ember I see we all know why

[barren birch]

you wish

[opal leaf]

Torid is the best weapon ever tho.....

(not really)
For trash killing hehehehe

[chrome badge]

thin ice...

[old marsh]

U r playing Ember with Heirloom skin arent u don’t lie to me.

[opal leaf]

Thick flame

[barren birch]

my current mods on the gratler before releveling after forma (and my frame in the background)

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-sus-face-james-doakes-suspicious-james-doakes-reaction-erik-king-gif-14404252364057104628

[chrome badge]

nezha

[old marsh]

Referring to Ember?

[barren birch]

ye, I like his kit

[chrome badge]

how peculiar

i dont see many nezha fans nowadays

[barren birch]

he could use with a little more health, or make chakram more consistent, but otherwise it's a nice general kit and has a useless ability that's easy to subsume over with stuff that makes him great

[opal leaf]

He s like Sevagoth but slippery

[chrome badge]

lol

[frozen grail]

opinions on nyx abilities specifically her 1st and 3rd? i see that its usually a toss up between the two of those for the subsume, i think the 1 is neat but im not sure how useful it is, the 3 for me is in a similar boat where its nice and useful but i dont know how useful it actually is
whats ur guys go to?
also is the blood alter strat for her 1 actually good? it looks so goofy but the numbers do get pretty high

[chrome badge]

her 3 is chaos right, thats 100 percent a keep

[frozen grail]

ah interesting why do u prefer to keep it?

[chrome badge]

for arcane ultimate fallout or wtvr the name is so i have fulltime upkeep on absorb + the radiation ties with her passive

[frozen grail]

hm tru tru thats a good point, have u tried the chaos augment? any good?

[mighty flare]

alter got patched

[frozen grail]

ah tragic, honestly kinda glad i didnt really wanna perform a voodoo ritual every time i wanted a minion lmao

[chrome badge]

yeah i use it all the time

[mighty flare]

mind control just suffers from shit ai in general

alter just made it less worse cuz even 1 bullet quickly stacked up her 4 nuke

[frozen grail]

hm i think i gotta give it a try so far ive mainly been using her other abilities + narrow minded
saw some guy use the 3 aug and chakram pillars from qorvex to make just a zone of abuse and radiation, goofy asf lmao
got any recommended subsumes for the 1 then if i go this rout?

[mighty flare]

well, chaos wants range so cant go narrow

[frozen grail]

yeah id be swapping the build fs for it, i was running narrow and roar over 3 since her other abilities dont need range

[mighty flare]

besides that then, there's other "fun" subsumes like breach surge, decoy, rest & rage, chyrinka pillars + mandonel, etc
if you want to avoid the usual buff subsumes

[frozen grail]

oh man i forgot u can pull out archguns, how is the mandonel for like cascades and whatnot? honestly ive really only used my larkspur lmao however that sounds fun asf

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

Cortège, Mausolon & K Grattler

[mighty flare]

they work fine for cap (with proper setup)
mandonel just a bit janky cuz revolves around the hold-shot

[frozen grail]

ah i see hm i may give it an attempt but not get my hopes up lol, is the buff it gives to the pillars actually substantial enough to matter?

[mighty flare]

its just to make them pulse faster

[frozen grail]

ah, and i feel they dont do a ton of dmg to begin with hm, might be good over top of the 3 if i went that rout but the 3 does all the rad applying i need, rest and rage is an interesting one i dont see often may need to give that a shot

[barren birch]

since it's based off the build you sent me earlier, what you think

for all the elements showing

[mighty flare]

containment blast is a bad mod
mod for viral/corrosive heat and use the new magnetic fire rate mod instead of modding for it with elements

[barren birch]

so instead of contain, the mag fire rate, and instead of electrified, toxin to get viral

wait, what is the archwing section boss considered in guilty

that'd be sentient right?

just making sure I shouldn't go for corrosive instead

[mighty flare]

guilty boss isnt immune to statuses

viral + heat is good, could use rad instead of mag then but then replace one of cold mods for fire rate

you would also want a non-conditional primary arcane like bulwark/precision

[barren birch]

precision?

[mighty flare]

overcharge*

[barren birch]

does ammo efficiency work on arch guns?

for like, crux

[wary forge]

Yes

[mighty flare]

yes

[wary forge]

It’s just cope

[barren birch]

I mean with 60 per reload cycle, it's better than nothing (and I don't have overcharge, nor armor on Nezha)

[mighty flare]

sure then

[wary forge]

You can afentis for 2x max ammo and use sahasa kubrow for ammo sustain

[barren birch]

zach I'm in the air, it's an arch wing section

[gleaming vapor]

pretty sure maus runs enervate crux

for guilty anyway

[barren birch]

it's a kuva gratler not maus

[gleaming vapor]

prolly runs the same

[barren birch]

so this?

[tight glen]

Would Secondary Merciless or Enervate be better for my Kuva Nukor?

[gleaming vapor]

enervate

[tight glen]

k ty

[fierce lark]

i dont quite understand, why crux enervate on grat

instead of like crux flare

is it just because archguns have no good crit mods lol

[barren birch]

Like you’ve got me, I’m just following those smarter than me for this lol

[mighty flare]

crit mods are shit
enervate is bis secondary arcane for most archguns

[fierce lark]

ic

i thought for a bit they don't really have any amazing dmg mods either but 187% is good enough

[mighty flare]

you use the primary slot for dmg%, but this is for guilty so you can't stack anything

since they dont have frame for bulwark/overcharge, its crux

[barren birch]

As if my broke behind is dumping plat for damage on my archgun

You get the non primed version and you’ll be happy

not me noticing rubedo isn't on my archgun :)

[fierce lark]

ah ic

[barren birch]

back on the game I go :)

[fierce lark]

the only up to date build i could find was also crux ener so i thought that was the norm lol

[mighty flare]

do this

[mighty flare]

sorta

[wary forge]

You could go crux on grat it’s not bad just overcharge is bis on arch guns if u can run them

Ixtal can get 550 max energy that’s still like 200% ms from overcharge

[barren birch]

same end result without moving polarities, also that's containment not mag on there

should be good now

also looks like this might be ok for profit taker too. It has all the base elements and all three phys on it, with viral and mag as well

[gleaming vapor]

I tried ixtal on perita

shit has like no survivability

[granite ginkgo]

which better? Duality or calm & frenzy?

[rancid mirage]

Equinox?

[green gyro]

yes

we need 3 crit mods to get over 100% cc on Velocitus lol

[fierce lark]

we’ll get primed parallax scope later this year trust

[green gyro]

30% base cc btw

I hope not, that would kill the last value my rivens have

[fierce lark]

lmao

[green gyro]

😭

[fierce lark]

when base riven values are being calculated do they take into account primed mods or nah

[green gyro]

no, they just scale off the standard cc mod

that's why cc on shotgun rivens is so ass, it scales off blunderbuss

so it's 90% base not 150% like the others

[fierce lark]

yeah i just wasn’t 100% certain about like ravage or pravage

[green gyro]

ye it doesn't care about primed

[fierce lark]

every base shotgun mod is atrociously ass

[green gyro]

archgun elements are really juiced on rivens

base is 120%

[fierce lark]

except fire rate lol

[green gyro]

yeah fire rate is really good

90% base from shotgun barrage

that's why you usually want cd ms fr for shotguns

it's the easiest to slot even at low disposition

[chrome badge]

do you have any uhhhhhh velocitus rivens?

[fierce lark]

no those are all larkspur rivens can u not read

[green gyro]

I had more btw, I sold a few

that would've been worth almost 100k plat at one point

now it's worth like idk 25 max

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297994107205193859/1438937326955790437/IMG_7229.png?ex=691ea110&is=691d4f90&hm=9b4a71de6b1fa670cb18c8ab6404245d597dc6f1c07a0433ca96c244ad1f8a88&

old pic but I think these were my best

the fire rate capable one was so rare, only 2 were ever listed

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-hardy-thats-bait-photoshop-gif-26646069

[green gyro]

?

i collected velo for almost a year

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-gif-5111338745644474401

[velvet pulsar]

I may have one

Nevermind I transmuted it

Back then I wanted to have a larkspur riven

[inner raptor]

suggest me options for kullervo subsumes that isnt roar. meme options welcome

[old marsh]

Volt

[inner raptor]

would elec mods boost shock trooper elec damage?

[old marsh]

No. STR does as I recall

[alpine skiff]

Anyone have ideas for building survivability on garuda?

[fierce lark]

elec mods boost the damage of elec statuses that shock trooper is helping to inflict, so technically yes

[alpine skiff]

Health Tanking is neat but its too many mods for tanking and it doesnt work in low density/no mobs/boss fights

[fierce lark]

but if you’re running shock trooper you don’t need to run elec mods

[alpine skiff]

Shield gating is.. an option but ive genuinely not used it once cuz i find it unfun

Im thinking of energy tanking tho, but i havent done it in a long while

[gleaming vapor]

I like shield gating

[alpine skiff]

Coolio

[gleaming vapor]

its pretty neat

[alpine skiff]

The only type of shield gating i like is on frames with big shields/long shield gates and a way to get a lot of shields back at once, ie uriel

And garuda has.. neither of those

[gleaming vapor]

I shield gate on mesa becasue thats the only way shes getting to cap

[gleaming vapor]

just slot cat shield ngl

[alpine skiff]

Her base hp isnt even high to use remedium form helminth

[gleaming vapor]

shes already casting like a million times a second

so youre passively gating anyway

[alpine skiff]

The shieldgate duration is so little, just don't find it fun even if its easy to fill

[fierce lark]

every frame gets to shieldgate with catashields and it scales to levelcap, on most nuke frames shielgate is/should be standard

[gleaming vapor]

you dont need to fill the whole thing

[alpine skiff]

I know, im just asking for alternatives

And i dont play level cap so thats mot a concern to ke

[fierce lark]

idk gloom and hit stuff

[alpine skiff]

i hate glooms slow

[fierce lark]

point your mirror at everything and hope for the best then

[quiet laurel]

for garuda you can also go huras/shade

[gleaming vapor]

dr tanking works on some frames

like mesa

lowk bum option compared to just shield gating tho ngl

[gilded sedge]

do i need more crit dmg ?

[granite ginkgo]

which wpn?

are u pair with tenacious bond?

[gilded sedge]

Vaykor Sydon

[opal leaf]

What are you trying to find?

[velvet pulsar]

1st ability augment

DE gave her an augment to deal with that.

[granite ginkgo]

an1 can share their sunika build? wanna pair w citrine

[fast elbow]

It just works you gotta believe me

[granite ginkgo]

brah didnt think about this, let me see

[alpine skiff]

I like guns

[alpine skiff]

Something like remedium, id use that but her low base health makes it pointless

[alpine skiff]

Oooo right

Ill look inot that

[opal leaf]

Who's, Garuda?

[alpine skiff]

Yeah, shes at base 370, uriels is 666

Almost double

[opal leaf]

Doesn't she have I frames?

[alpine skiff]

I dont like relying on short iframes for survivability

I only like iframes if its smth like a big shield gate

[opal leaf]

Revenant and dagath

[alpine skiff]

i dont like either of those frames

I dont getbwhat you mean

[opal leaf]

If your choosy in Survivability for Garuda

Use an another frame other than Garuda

[alpine skiff]

Nah, ill make it work

was just looking for suggestions

[velvet pulsar]

Garuda got her unique ways to survive

[opal leaf]

Yea

[alpine skiff]

Was thinking of energy tanking like i said at the start

[opal leaf]

Energy tanking? That really doesn't work

[alpine skiff]

i just have never really used it, so i dunno what i need exactly

[alpine skiff]

Ive seen a lot of people use it on her to survive on level cap easy

[velvet pulsar]

Ehh energy tanking won't shine until DE wakes up with their regular damage tanking ideas

[alpine skiff]

Plus, i like to make the frames i play all handle uniquely

So having a frame who turns health into energy then the energy is my survivability is pretry dope

[alpine skiff]

Kinda a necessity after so many hours jsjsi

[velvet pulsar]

They already swept arcane persistence under the rug, saying "it's not meant to be a fix to tanking issue", then they proceed to never speak a single word about tanking for several months to this day.

[alpine skiff]

Persistence has helped a lot for my builds honestly, so cant say im complaining

[opal leaf]

Hmm

Which are the frames you used for it?

[alpine skiff]

Uriel for one, have two, one for health tanking and the other for shields

Follie

Also experimenting with nokko with it

Oh oraxia aswell

[opal leaf]

Nokko doesn't work

Tried him earlier

[alpine skiff]

still trying so i cant give him a say yet

[opal leaf]

Had to resort to his invis

[alpine skiff]

I like using reroot to regen all the health

[opal leaf]

Uriel for Persistence huh...

[alpine skiff]

or run well of life plus aug on him

[alpine skiff]

Yea it works well, casting 2 gives a ton of health

Orbs for health conversion or blessinf

[velvet pulsar]

We have a knower

[alpine skiff]

Hes a more stationary frame aftwr all

[alpine skiff]

Yea lol, people calling persistence bad are funny

[alpine skiff]

well of life is so busted

[velvet pulsar]

I meant WoL:
https://youtu.be/WLrmVNZAiR4?si=xhwx64T0Gas7xGTc

Almost any frame gets immortal with it except Lavos

(hildryn is out of the question)

[alpine skiff]

What i meant, yes

But i only like it for stationsary frames

[opal leaf]

Hmm I might try it on Nokmo

[alpine skiff]

Give it a shot

Also mirage, tryna make her work with persistence and circumvent hut thats way more wip so far

[opal leaf]

But not yet, because I have to farm trinity

[alpine skiff]

Persistence garuda is nice, but garuda isnt a campy frame to me, so i havent like it much

[alpine skiff]

Its worth, wol busted

[velvet pulsar]

U can make WoL non-campy

Just will require more casting

[alpine skiff]

I know, even with 2 tau yellows and 250 range, it still just felt too campy

Was doing perita rebellion with it

Just wasnt fun for me

Plus, finger problems, dont like casting 24/7

[velvet pulsar]

Gotta cast on a new forward enemy everytime moving on from previous range

[alpine skiff]

I know, it got old fast

Plus, your screwed if your fighting withour a mob around

[velvet pulsar]

I'm satisfied with WoL garuda, also because I main vazarin.

So I can just use protective sling to heal my persistence frames as well.

[opal leaf]

Thing is I cannot try stuff like what yall can do

I wanted to experiment but I'm limited

[mighty flare]

there's no point in persistence then?

[alpine skiff]

I was doing that too, but on garuda it felt like i was using so much on my survivability, that i wasnt having fun

[velvet pulsar]

I don't like spamming protective sling on every 4s

[alpine skiff]

No? Use vaz for when no mobs, wol when mobs

[fast elbow]

My lavos with persistence is immortal

[opal leaf]

I experimented a bunch of frames like Making Nezha into a CC instead of a Nuke

Making Vauban a walking semi stationary frane

But those are common stuff base on builds hahaha

[alpine skiff]

Write your builds down then, its what i do when waiting for resources or the Like

[fast elbow]

All I needed was a vulpaphyla with hunter recovery

[opal leaf]

I might do a Gloom Nokko one

[velvet pulsar]

Do u also use Well of Life with Lingering Transmutation?

[fast elbow]

I don't use any subsumes

[velvet pulsar]

Aight

[alpine skiff]

I just cannot stand gloom, but it seems alright on him, id go for a grouping ability tho

[fast elbow]

But I do have all there augment mods for funnies

[mighty flare]

thats not how you use vaz

[velvet pulsar]

Guardian Shell?

[opal leaf]

Gloom and Persistence, I'll try

But seva's stuff are hard to get

[alpine skiff]

Its a one time thing, worth it

[alpine skiff]

Then how..?

[mighty flare]

both work, "spamming vaz" is just not how you have to use it

[fierce lark]

protective sling doesn't have to be up 24/7, you can use it in conjunction with gating

[alpine skiff]

Exacrly, not ahrd to understand

[fierce lark]

outside of toxin procs, you can't die while your shield is up

[opal leaf]

It's a Dura one right? Or base on Energy generation

[alpine skiff]

Gloom?

[opal leaf]

Yeah

[velvet pulsar]

I didn't like Gloomruda

[alpine skiff]

Its channeled, its based on duration and efficiency

[alpine skiff]

Me neither

[opal leaf]

I'm doing Glookko tho

[naive hinge]

kullervo build ?

[velvet pulsar]

My main purpose of using gloom was to test if slow effect can even slow down enemy death animation

[opal leaf]

Ahhh aight aight

I'll farm Seva next time

[velvet pulsar]

Because if the death animation gets slowed, then I have more time to use Dread Ward on it.

But that didn't happen.

[alpine skiff]

It works with well

The whole, dying enemies slowing and letting dread be used on them

it was in a garuda video inwatched

[velvet pulsar]

For WoL it's a double-edged sword

[vital glade]

what's the best stance for Zenistar?

[alpine skiff]

I wish persistence converted your shields to health or armor honestky

[quiet laurel]

then it'd be useless in the grander scheme of things

[velvet pulsar]

If u casted WoL on a target above 40% health, you've got yourself infinite casts of 1 on that enemy for its duration.

If below 40% HP, u got yourself an on demand Dread Ward proc.

[quiet laurel]

persistence was DEs attempt to make health tanking an actual alternative to shield gating

[alpine skiff]

how?

[alpine skiff]

Yea, its worked fairly well

[quiet laurel]

I mean not really, shield gating is still more modding efficient and better for most frames

[alpine skiff]

They just need help with mod slots, but thats all health tanking needs now honestly

[velvet pulsar]

And then Reb refused it in front of everyone in DEcember DEvshort by saying "it wasn't meant to be a fix for health tank".

[quiet laurel]

yeah surely

[alpine skiff]

i cant really be arsed avout efficiency

[quiet laurel]

if DE fixed cat shields it would maybe be more of an alternative

cause rn all you need is 1 mod slot on your frame and 1 on the rest of your loadout

[velvet pulsar]

Survivability bugs gets excused more often now

[naive hinge]

kullervo build ?

[alpine skiff]

Yea, thats the problem, health tanking wants too many slots

Hence, making persistence convert shields to stats like health or armor would help a lot

[velvet pulsar]

I can give u mine but no judging

[quiet laurel]

retaining the max dmg per second or not

[alpine skiff]

Retaining it ofc

[versed harbor]

this just sounds like a completely new arcane tbh

[naive hinge]

why no judging 🧐

[quiet laurel]

ok then yeah

would be a straight up buff, wouldnt say no to it

[alpine skiff]

Its one extra line on persistence, and making it a new arcane would literally reoeat the problem

[velvet pulsar]

It's just if "persistence & Parasitic Armor worked together"

[alpine skiff]

Irs all it need imo

[versed harbor]

yeye im not saying make another arcane im just saying its alot for one arcane

[alpine skiff]

All you need to shield gate is 1 or two mods

[versed harbor]

id rather them come up with new hp tanking solutions that scale rather than bloat out persistence

[naive hinge]

):

[alpine skiff]

Health tanking usually involves triple umbrals, or an extra arcane, or two-3 shards, and usually an extra mod or two

[quiet laurel]

thing is you also need the health regen to actually make it compare to shield gating, which for rn the usual way is gloom and I dont know if I want gloom to be popular

[mighty flare]

guardian break exists too? you can use it with other things in combination as to not "spam it every 4s"
it usually exists as a shortcut method to free up slots used on survivability which is not what persistence setups are like at all for most frames

[velvet pulsar]

U can ask questions

[naive hinge]

..

[naive hinge]

i asked for kullervo 3 times

[alpine skiff]

Imma be honest, evertime ive cast it, ive never noticed it do anything

[naive hinge]

does this work for overgard ?

[mighty flare]

do you know what it does?

[alpine skiff]

No