builds-discussion

[solar reef]

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[hollow scarab]

rn i got heat, mag, viral, and then melee exposure

[vague cape]

which one theses would be the best for an all around sp build?

[rose wedge]

does nourish spoil influence builds?

[brazen vortex]

id keep that then

[solar reef]

depends

how bad is your SC

[brazen vortex]

@hollow scarab send a ss of the build

[solar reef]

if your SC can handle it theres no reason it should hurt the build

[solar reef]

option 1 or 2 depending on how you’d prefer to play her

Option 2 is just generic Toxic Lash weapons buffer (the best way to play her on paper but it may not be what you enjoy)

Option 1 is more caster/platformer hybrid oriented

[rose wedge]

cant actually see because all of them stack with combo and kills, the showcasing status is the base one tho

[vague cape]

first one it is

[solar reef]

should be fine

[solar reef]

what weapon is this

[rose wedge]

and im using on a wisp

[solar reef]

ok so 24% base SC

[rose wedge]

the riven is just a comfort mod to replace fury

yes

[solar reef]

ok so at 12x combo, assuming you have elementalist stacked, you have 138% SC

[solar reef]

which isnt an insane amount but it should be enough to comfortably proc elec and viral

[brazen vortex]

imma be real you dont need reach

[rose wedge]

yeah, im compensating with the +100% attack speed from my wisp along with the incarnon form's 40%

[rose wedge]

nice

tyvm

[brazen vortex]

or get rid of the gal steel and add elementalist @hollow scarab

crit isnt everything malz

[solar reef]

removing the CD source on a CC gimmick weapon

if anything they should replace magnetic with elementalist or CO

Or pressure point for CO for that matter

[brazen vortex]

bruh

[solar reef]

its literally a weapon deisgned around priming

Its hand picked for CO/afflictions

[brazen vortex]

yeah its a weapon that doesnt NEED crit tho...

[solar reef]

It really really likes Crit Damage

[brazen vortex]

dont get me wrong crit is always good on every melee as melee is op

but not every weapon needs it

not even every meta build

[solar reef]

not every weapon needs it
you’re right
Galarick just really really prefers it

Its why its gimmick is there

You dont have to build heavily into CC but saying to not mod CD in any way is crazy

[brazen vortex]

if the weapon prefers it then blood rush should be there asw

[solar reef]

Galariak has built in CC

like do you know how galariak works

[brazen vortex]

oh i just read it

[solar reef]

its 10% final cc for every status on that target

you really shouldnt even be modding status on it aside from either primed fever strike for raw or elec for influence

you should be using it with some sort of primer and just going ape with it

[brazen vortex]

yeah i mean sure but then id be using a complete crit build and my pet as a primer or one of the funny beam weapons

ok so we agree

more CC more CD

oh and more attack speed

[hollow scarab]

i can take reach off thats true

[solar reef]

i would strip off most of your elemental status mods and start modding in raw/crit

[brazen vortex]

nah dont

I was wildly mistaken

[finite sparrow]

Hey thx for the build I was trying it out and it does much better than the one I made

[rose wedge]

wouldnt a gladiator vice instead of primed fury give extra CC source in exchange of 10% attack speed? idk how much 10% would change tho

[solar reef]

25% attack speed

[rose wedge]

dang, fr

[solar reef]

you dont really need a ton of crit sources, its mostly just crit damage that you need

[brazen vortex]

creativity is done for

jk

[hollow scarab]

is this a good build?

or should i take elementalist off

[solar reef]

drop animosity for afflictions and yeah

[finite sparrow]

I’m down to do the sp start chart when ever your free my user name in warframe is BetoPadentro

[finite sparrow]

I didn’t have all the mods so I used weaker versions or got rid of things that the incarnon form gave me already like the movement speed

[solar reef]

just remember that animosity is additive to other CC sources

its not a final multiplier

though it has its uses, 95% of the time you’ll get a lower dps outcome than something like exposure or afflictions would yield

[hollow scarab]

honestly i just threw it on cuz im not runing electricity. also should i take off elementalist for added heat damage? for burning hate?

[solar reef]

hate being a scythe, makes it a prime tool for Afflictions

[solar reef]

no, as its incarnon has innate heat

[hollow scarab]

ah ok

so fine as is once i max out afflictions

where do i get more of those again?

[inner raptor]

jade thing

[solar reef]

Labs

[inner raptor]

you get like 3 arcanes in one round in SP

drop + enough currency to buy 2

[rose wedge]

should i try using this for extra damage since im dealing orange/red crits?
the invisibility is sustained by the 9 seconds long WIL-O-WISP which makes me invis
and the energy can be sustained by using the nourish with the archon stretch, so ig i can spam it without worrying

[rose wedge]

@solar reef

[solar reef]

tons of wisps use crepescular

im nor sure how it works with your specific use

[brazen vortex]

so fire

[solar reef]

unless you’re heavy spamming

[rose wedge]

final critical multiplier, i just leave my clone flying away as i get 9 seconds of invisibility

[solar reef]

typically its used for flying wisp setups for glaive/contagion

[plain umbra]

Hi, Just tried out wukong (Base). Am i building him right? also what stat do i focus on him?

[rose wedge]

tennokai is triggering a lot yes

[rose wedge]

but the final multiplyer would help? or its not of a big deal

[solar reef]

the ”optimal” playstyle

but yeah crepescular should be fine

i’d avoid using shock motes if you want to utilize invis to its most

if youre doing base steel path its not an issue

since you one shot anyways

[rose wedge]

wil-o-wisp's invis doesnt turn off with the shock mote, just the passive airborne invisibility

[solar reef]

oh?

thats funny

i wouldnt know since I always ran a contagion setup for her

[rose wedge]

so thanks to the nourish i can spam it with the mote and archon stretch

[rose wedge]

since the energy regen is multiplied

but i never heard about final crit multiplier tho

no idea of how it works

fully on ground

[solar reef]

it just adds 3x Crit Damage

[hollow scarab]

so how does rhino's ironskin actually work. sometimes i get 10k sometimes i get 50k. whats changing

[rose wedge]

to each crit instance? or just a raw 3x

[solar reef]

it is a flat 3x

its not 3x multiplying with anything

If you have 7 on your build you hit 10, if you have 2 you hit 5

[hollow scarab]

cuz i see ppl get tons of OG and i wanna know how

[rose wedge]

but how does it works orange or red crits? where does it add to

[solar reef]

????

its just 3x CD that doesnt interact with anything else

it is flat, final

[rose wedge]

oh, got it

so wouldnt help much on the thalys

[brittle path]

For my melee weapon I have the regular pathocyst and I have kullvero I was wondering which would be better to have galvanized steel or sacrificial steel

[solar reef]

galv steel will get you way more use on Kullervo

The extra crit damage is way more valuable than a maybe a single crit tier when you take account that Kullervo’s giving you like 500-600 flat CC

[brittle path]

Alright thanks

[rose wedge]

@solar reef do you have any good coda hema build? im using her to trigger my wisp's archon intensify more often and make use of the extra hp

[solar reef]

sorry, dont have any experience with it

i’d just run what ninjase runs, and work off of that until it fits your use

[gray quarry]

Ninjase does

[rose wedge]

tried building it and just made a mess

[rose wedge]

where do i find it? yt?

[gray quarry]

Arcane is I forgor tbh

[valid cargo]

How can I improve my survival without losing rank for shattered lash?

[gray quarry]

https://overframe.gg/build/917673/coda-hema/coda-hema-viral-corro-heat-crux/

[rose wedge]

thanks

[gray quarry]

WA over her 4?

Also losing rank?

[valid cargo]

Range*

[rose wedge]

wont my nourish mess its status pool tho? or it stacks pretty quick?

[valid cargo]

Shattered lash spam

[gray quarry]

No, just adds viral damage on

It adds viral damage that is unstackable with the modded damage

So plenty of heat procs still

[valid cargo]

Millions of damage per swing but i die too fast

[rose wedge]

nice

[gray quarry]

Found your problem, no brief respite in the aura. Also I’d swap something for augur secrets

So beird respite and augur set bonus, should die alot less

[valid cargo]

Yeah but i dont know what

[hollow scarab]

how is this for steel path?

[gray quarry]

What is the mod below archon stretch

@valid cargo

[serene raft]

Speaking of aura
What do you guys think? Should this mod be buff to its original state considering all changes since then or should it remain the same.
Personally, I reckon yes buffet to its original state.

[valid cargo]

Overextended

[gray quarry]

Is that mod next to blind rage transient fortitude?

[rose wedge]

yup

[valid cargo]

Yes

[gray quarry]

That is too low range, wut da hek

[rose wedge]

i mean, we have amalgam serration

[gray quarry]

That range should be much higher.

[serene raft]

I mean, yeah fair but at the same time wanna go fast personally

Or faster rather

[rose wedge]

fair enough ig, what warframe do you use tho?

there are incarnon melees that buff your movement speed if i remember correctly

[gray quarry]

Somethin is very wrong, you have augur secrets, archon stretch, and overextended but only 171% range. You should be in the 200+ area

[serene raft]

That’s gonna be easier just to say a lot

[valid cargo]

Some mods are not maxed

[serene raft]

Also fair

[rose wedge]

lacking 3 lvls on archon stretch, lighting doesnt let you see much tho

[gray quarry]

Doesn’t matter, overextended and augur reach should be 214 not 171 with archon stretch

[serene raft]

Also, you’re not wrong the inndem which is supposed to have running speed buff because it’s an dagger and then additional running speed because of one of the evolutions Also,

[rose wedge]

heard that okinas incarnon give it, arent they on the rotation?

[gray quarry]

Ig drop archon stretch and see what happens

[valid cargo]

@gray quarry soooo how do i improve it?

[gray quarry]

Drop archon stretch

[serene raft]

https://tenor.com/view/my-hero-academia-flex-gif-14648844
sometimes you just wanna go even further beyond you know lol

[gray quarry]

I wanna see where the range goes from there

[novel bear]

Put on normal stretch

[gray quarry]

I think their game is bugged, overextended, archon stretch at r7 and augur reach shouldn’t equil 171 range

[valid cargo]

Uuuh

[novel bear]

Overextended isn’t on there

[gray quarry]

below archon stretch

[valid cargo]

Range is 253

Strenght is 171

[serene raft]

Do they have those two switch in other countries?

[gray quarry]

when did str and range switch places

[rose wedge]

bonificadores? @gray quarry do helminth invigorations show up on stats?

[gray quarry]

Or am I remembering wrong

[gray quarry]

They do iirc

[valid cargo]

I dont have the invigoration thing

[rose wedge]

oh, so its just a bonus for exp?

[valid cargo]

I dont know

[gray quarry]

Unsure, but range is fine

[valid cargo]

I only need to fix my survival

[gray quarry]

Do you have one of the pistol augur mods or both?

[rose wedge]

all i know of spanish is what i can understand from portuguese lol

[valid cargo]

No

[gray quarry]

Damn, could’ve offloaded the augur set to your pistol

[valid cargo]

I only have 1 augur mod for guns

[gray quarry]

Idk what can be swapped tbh other than the aura

[rose wedge]

should i use cascadia empowered or switch on secondary encumber? idk how much it stacks, and dont actually have a real build for that nukor

[valid cargo]

Without the augur mod it drops to 223 range

[hollow scarab]

ok hear me out... sentient wrath over kullervo's 4. just so he can buff his guns too since his 4 isnt exactly anything amazing

[gray quarry]

Sadly you need it

[valid cargo]

Demonios

And equilibrium?

[valid cargo]

Its a lash build

[rose wedge]

sentinel with guardian+synth deconstruct (for equilibrium) and augur mods on its weapon?

[gray quarry]

I don’t think there’s any primary augur mods

[valid cargo]

My diriga has it

[rose wedge]

sentinel weapons use secondary mods

augur included

[gray quarry]

Sentinel use primary

[hollow scarab]

a what?

[valid cargo]

Shattered lash

[rose wedge]

i use this burst laser (from shade) on my nautilus

[hollow scarab]

also dear god i have made rhino's little brother

[gray quarry]

ig some use primary, others secondary

[hollow scarab]

idk what that really means. like i know gara's ability i just dont know what you are talking about

[rose wedge]

probably, like helios use melee (yet it doesnt let me use gladiator mods on it ;-; )

[hollow scarab]

sorry if im kinda dense

[gray quarry]

Her 1 spam

[valid cargo]

[hollow scarab]

no i know her 1 spam. i just am lost as to how that links to kullervo with sentient wrath

https://giphy.com/gifs/CyberKongz-loading-thought-low-iq-wrmVCNbpOyqgJ9zQTn

this is me rn^

im also tryna build voruna's gun and have no idea what im doing so the brain cells are a bit busy

also, is the kuva tonkor good? i wanna give grendel a launcher and make him scorch from tf2

[twilit crest]

any1 got a saryn eso build like is it like volt level nuking or is it worse

[wary forge]

Nuking on Sayrn is using Ogris and or Sobek or a melee with influence

[twilit crest]

alr

[teal sequoia]

Nataruk riven with ammo capacity and reload speed

Until we meet again

[drowsy pelican]

Is this a good build?

[wary forge]

Not at all

[drowsy pelican]

Yo what is that tag

Why is it so long?

[wary forge]

Don’t worry about it

[dusty dragon]

Could someone explain how riven disposition works for weapons with multiple variants?

[high turtle]

I needa get tons of strength on wisp but a decent amount of duration

[wary forge]

Each variant has its own dispo

[dusty dragon]

Yeah, but a riven can be equipped on all variants. Does the riven have base stats that r modified by the dispo or smth?

[wary forge]

Yes

[limber tide]

should i upg my archon flow to max for my follie build that is unfinished (im missing 3 mods 😭)

[mighty flare]

not important for her no

[limber tide]

this is the build i wanna go for except since i alr have arch cont ima use it instead of prime cont

im missing aegis arch stretch and prep sadly D:

[mighty flare]

prep & aegis are both not important to her either

[limber tide]

but then what do i swap them for

[mighty flare]

whatever you want tbh, streamline too, also unimportant
follie has little needs

[limber tide]

i could technically put molt instead of aegis for more dps

ive got a maxed out molt i can use

could thst work?

[mighty flare]

yes

[limber tide]

k

[opal leaf]

Preparation is not needed too

Streamline too

Impetus is a bit useless in a sense

[limber tide]

was the only other one im willing to use as an arcane lol, impetus

[opal leaf]

I go the typical molt

[limber tide]

cuz these r my options can u blame me 😭

[opal leaf]

Farm it

[limber tide]

too lazy to atm

ive got a wolf mom prime on hold for grinding just in case tho

[opal leaf]

Fair hahaha

[limber tide]

for her build i think i need a better aura ability xx

other n that shes good

specifically follie i wanna run next tho

[opal leaf]

I haven't used Voruna bc she bore me, so I subsumed her hahah

[limber tide]

lol

want me to show her build rq?

[opal leaf]

You can, I don't really mind since I don't have her rm

[limber tide]

ulfrun bomber

[narrow granite]

what archon shards are best for follie?

full purpur?

[opal leaf]

Yeah change that Dreamers Bond into Corrosive Projection

Aside from that, it's good

[limber tide]

dont have that 😄

[opal leaf]

Bro get it hahaha

[limber tide]

ive got lit no aura mods aside from brief respite and dreamers bond now that i look at it 💀

[opal leaf]

Yeah keep farming

[mighty flare]

depends on what you're doing: #1487164102379049051 message
ability damage only useful for arc traps or death orbs

[limber tide]

obviously i need to forma some more skills too, her storage running low and i still needa upg a few but i need follie on hand as well which is why im focusing on her

[opal leaf]

Corrosive Projection is a good aura for general purposes so I suggest get that

[limber tide]

k

[civic shore]

Hi guys can someone please suggest me a gara build without subsume for steel path?

[opal leaf]

Ooo....

[civic shore]

iam struggling to find any build of her online without subsume

[narrow granite]

is there anythin else u can do with follie than arctraps and other abilities to increase dmg lol

[opal leaf]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[mighty flare]

you can use roar or prime/armor strip?

[limber tide]

isnt it only tradable atm tho?

[opal leaf]

Here no subsume

https://overframe.gg/build/204674/gara-prime/glass-storm-gara-general-use-nuke-energy-build-steel-path/

[opal leaf]

Idk it's tradable I guess but you can buy it at Nightwave if it's there

[limber tide]

checked nightwave but did not see it </33

[narrow granite]

I don't plan to subsume any of her goofy ass abilities lol

[civic shore]

Are these made by you?

[opal leaf]

No that is made by Ninjase

[opal leaf]

It's OK, as I said "if it's there"

[limber tide]

ik i didnt mean for it to sound like anything lol, ill probably figure out something

[opal leaf]

Buy it in the marketh

[limber tide]

im too broke from brief respite

i spent like 10 plat on that and now im down to 5

[civic shore]

i hope you woudnt mind me asking if i have some doubts regarding gameplay loop

[opal leaf]

Well better grind

[limber tide]

lol i have some rivens i can sell, i just cant figure out how .market riven selling works

[opal leaf]

Sure what was the question

[opal leaf]

Just sell it in trade chat no matter how bad it is

[limber tide]

ive got a good nataruk but bad dispo so theres that, not sure about these other 2 i got tho

[limber tide]

k

[opal leaf]

Yeah good luck hahahaha wait till someone find it

[limber tide]

ig i could maybe like use it for like my nataruk lol its a good bow anyway

dont have enough mr but that will go up anyways over time as i get new weapons

[opal leaf]

Yee

[opal leaf]

What Mr at u?

[limber tide]

8

[opal leaf]

Nice, where are you in the game now?

[limber tide]

as in along the questline?

[opal leaf]

As in what is your wall rn, where are you where you can't progress rn

[limber tide]

meh, not much mainly just duviri cuz im too lazy to do that questline LOL

alr did ||New War|| so theres that, frames and everything else are moderately easy to acquire, ive got like 3 primes i can craft but i dont have all the mats yet

[opal leaf]

Hahahha but at least you did the main quest for sure

[limber tide]

yeahh

[opal leaf]

Don't worry, you'll get there

[limber tide]

one of the rivens i have lowkey sounds like an italian mod

[opal leaf]

Let me see

[opal leaf]

Hahah it does sound like it

[limber tide]

like its kinda here lol

there*

[narrow granite]

Would dis work with follie's traps :-?

[tropic arrow]

Managed to complete The Guilty in 1:14 minutes tonight

[crisp pine]

okay i need help with fixing this jade. She has both energy problems and surivaiblilty problems

[mighty flare]

wouldnt use jade augment, and swap cata shield over primed redirection
jade's shield song isn't true mod replacement for vigilante vigor like gauss battery

[crisp pine]

do i keep aegis then?

[mighty flare]

yes

[crisp pine]

ok so it does work but it is constantly drinking energy though

[mighty flare]

take off blind rage for umbral intensify or stretch

[white lodge]

why does a Destreza riven sell for over 70 plat?

[mighty flare]

its getting an upcoming incarnon upgrade

[white lodge]

Ahhaaa

I guess Imma keep it then

[civic shore]

how do we actually get the ball rolling with her, like i start a mission with 80 energy , steel path enemies show up and then i cast 3 to get some more ennergy but if they dont drop it though the aug mod then iam screwed

[white lodge]

Pets can give energy or use the energy supply item

[civic shore]

can u elaborate iam still new to this

[opal leaf]

There is an arcane that if you cast an energy it'll be converted into health

[civic shore]

ok can you please explain me through the gameplay loop

[white lodge]

1

[opal leaf]

OK so it's like this

You need casting speed for it to not suffer

3, lose health, gain emergy, then use 4, lose energy, health

And it'll loop which make her active

[civic shore]

when do u use 2?

[white lodge]

just 3 examples.

[civic shore]

what would i swap i have no idea

[white lodge]

Upgrade first of all your aura mod, the more it has the more capacity it give su

either change primed flow or umbral intensity, can't do much with a lot of energy if you have no energy regen tbh

[civic shore]

Damn, iam getting a feeling iam not going to like Gara

either that or i subsume like every other youtube build

[opal leaf]

@solar reef help,how do you do this generator thing... I cannot reach it that sense

I wanna test the build I did but I cannot reach that high

[white lodge]

Are you hitting armored targets?

[opal leaf]

No I'm trying to calculate builda

[dusky bane]

the calculator just does theoretical

I think it's different in practice, but it's still the most accurate way to compare mods in a build

[opal leaf]

Yeah but he was able to go that high while I go hundreds of thousands without anything... Do I have to have a Verglas build as well linked on it?

[opal leaf]

Like look at this I'm trying a different build applied with Ash build and this is what I got

Idk how to get that high like what he did

[granite folio]

anyone got a good umbra build for sp

[dusky bane]

Influence Excalibur (Nourish/Wrathful/Roar): https://overframe.gg/build/390077/
**Persistence Tank Excalibur Umbra **: https://overframe.gg/build/389072/
Exalted Blade (Terrify): https://overframe.gg/build/139501/
Exalted Blade (Pillage): https://overframe.gg/build/480000/

[warm python]

Hey anyone have a good mesa build for SP?

[cedar slate]

Question for those that can answer.

Context: Inaros build with 10K health and arcane persistence + arcane grace. arcane persistence limits damage to 500/s and arcane grace heals 6% (600)/s. the healing should outpace the damage.

Tested this with SP 210 Corrupted Heavy Gunners. the heal was more than the damage, and when grace was active i was healing while being damaged.

Tested this again with SP 210 Eximus Corrupted Heavy Gunners, but the heal was not keeping up with the damage when grace was active. (Standing still so I was being hit with all the eximus abilities as well.)

Does persistence not work with eximus abilities, what would be causing this?

Note: I had his 3rd active the whole time, so I had status immunity.

[white lodge]

Magnetic status and ability nullifying effects disable this protection.

I don't think it matters if you are status immune

Because they wanted to avoid you being invulnerable

[cedar slate]

I believe, the symbol for persistence was active the whole time while 3rd was active.

[white lodge]

What about your armor?

[cedar slate]

armor should have been around 1500 with the 3rd active. That is when 3rd is full. base armor is 800

[opal leaf]

I do need help

Ah Malz might be offline

Can't Ping him again

[white lodge]

hmm, can't help you more than that tho D= sorry

[opal leaf]

What's the problem maybe I can help

[cedar slate]

this

I mean its not that bad if i just move around, instead of standing still, but i expected the heals to be more than the damage per second. should be around 100 health/s while being fully railed, but the health meter either just stays exactly where it is or decreases a bit. This is while arcane grace is active.

[opal leaf]

Yeah Grace is a bit less like Aegis... It... It quite sucks

That's why it's mostly used with Arcane Blessings, or None at all

Just Tri Umbra an Persistence

[cedar slate]

its wierd how the health behaves though, at times it will be healing up as expected since grace takes 6% of max health and it is larger that the 500/s cap, but at times it feels like the 500damage/s gets registered twice in the same second and the health takes dump that grace cant keep up with.

[opal leaf]

Yeah

[covert talon]

anyone got tips for voruna build?

[white lodge]

How can I make this better?

[wary forge]

Use melee influence

[gray quarry]

On a rabvee zaw?

[white lodge]

Lol

[wary forge]

Influence Zaw is an entirely build with different parts tho

[white lodge]

You dont just use melee influence on everything

[wary forge]

So you’d have to make a new build

[wary forge]

Ye it’s just better then contagion better aoe clear its single target burst dps is slightly less but it doesn’t really matter when Zaws have so many insane buffs

[gray quarry]

Hmmmmm

[wary forge]

What are the parts on your current Zaw

[rich glacier]

You do actually

[white lodge]

I'm guessing you use primed surefooted on atlas as well?

[white lodge]

It's one or two part from the plague event

[wary forge]

What

[white lodge]

Plague Kripath

Dont recall the grip

[wary forge]

You want better parts

[white lodge]

oh sorry, nvm, totally wrong.

[wary forge]

Ok that’s good

If you want to stick exposure I would go this build

[white lodge]

I mean, if I use influence do I need to focus on status and electricity?

My status is so low just 10% atm

[wary forge]

Yeah you have to go the status parts

[white lodge]

So influence is not really my go to on this but is there any other arcane that could work?

[rich glacier]

Electricity is the best damage element

[wary forge]

Yeah exposure works fine

[white lodge]

Aight as I just mainly throw it, not trying to gather combo

[wary forge]

That’s useable riven as well

Just take out fury for that riven and add whatever mod

[wary forge]

Ye that’s what u do with Zaws

[solar reef]

ash ignores armor, his 4th does true damage

[solar reef]

melee or 4 spam

[wary forge]

His clones do like 100k base dmg with no buffs or anything

It’s insane

Only issue is they are somewhat slow

[solar reef]

if only they werent so slow or calad with casting shards

[wary forge]

Imagine for the protoframe drop they do that

Would be insane

[solar reef]

imagine if the protoframe wasnt just base ash with a human head

[formal bolt]

I have made a Mistake. My Lich has a Toxin Kuva Tonkor, so thats Blast/Toxin, Corrosive Weakness, and so far all my builds are so weak against her. Any advice for where I should start?

[white lodge]

how strong is the lich 0o

[formal bolt]

Level 5

[white lodge]

ouf

[formal bolt]

25% Toxin on the Tonkor

this fight is happening on the Kuva Fortress

[wary forge]

You can change the elemental with an elemental vice

[formal bolt]

Legitimately shes One Shotting me

[white lodge]

what mr r u?

[wary forge]

Oh nvm

[formal bolt]

MR 28 ^^;

[white lodge]

x' )

[wary forge]

Bro what

Just use like rhino or something lol

[white lodge]

I mean, you need something either really tanky or just high dmg

The throw always deals so much dmg

[formal bolt]

guess who I don't have on hand 😭

[white lodge]

How can you not have rhinoooo

[wary forge]

Just dmg immune frame

Rev rhino whatever

Or some health tank

[white lodge]

Hildryn mby?

or does the throw remove all shield?

[formal bolt]

tru Hilryn

[narrow granite]

Imma guess kurwa ogris aint a weapon u build for crit, hmm?

[cinder isle]

what are some very good weapon options for Wisp as weapon platformer?

[narrow granite]

fulmin... vermisplicer

any weapon really...

[stuck igloo]

Is this build decent?

[narrow granite]

take out ice spring and use sure footed lel

left or right?

[spice ravine]

any good pharaoh predasite builds for status spreading

[opal leaf]

Might go left

sole reason is MS and CD is in the same slot

[cinder isle]

I have a question about Akarius Prime Reload Speed. In many Builds the Akarius does have 1.8 reload speed (not with Gauss) and I do have the exact same build but have 2.4 reload speed. Are this Warframe or Companion Buffs?

[wary forge]

you dont go crit on ogris

[opal leaf]

Oh

[wary forge]

read the unique trait

[opal leaf]

Oh well that's the first I've heard it

Why doesn't Ogris like crit?

[violet silo]

nope. but... kurwa?

[opal leaf]

Might be a new variant of the kuvas

Like an upgrade version or some shit

[violet silo]

9%

[opal leaf]

Damn that's low XDDDD

[violet silo]

are you joking or

what

[opal leaf]

Yes

[violet silo]

ok good

[opal leaf]

Why would there be an another variant of Kuva hahahaha

[violet silo]

kurwa

[opal leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[leaden night]

is this one any good?

[wary forge]

on certain frames yes

[narrow granite]

is a pun ... I once accidentaly typed kuvva and yeh stuck with it now

[violet silo]

sometimes, usually better to run a couple shards tho

[modest vector]

im loving this i have to thank u again @wary forge

🤑

[wary forge]

W

[solar reef]

contagion im guessing?

[opal leaf]

Yoooo your finally online

[solar reef]

ive been online

[opal leaf]

I need your help with this

How did you get this number?

Did you link your Companion and Warframe into it?

Please help ;~;

I genuinely wanted to learn this bc it's so helpful

I just don't know how

[solar reef]

no this is genuinely just the first thing that popped up and I random calc’d

there was nothing else I added

[opal leaf]

Deadass?

[opal leaf]

Like here is the build rn

I can't remember the whe thing but

Idk what I did wrong

[solar reef]

that looks fine

The other build also had exposure and PPP

[opal leaf]

That's bc I link my Ash Build

[solar reef]

i’d also like to add that the armor strip doesnt matter

since ash’s 4 does true damage

[opal leaf]

Oh wait exposure does it higher

[solar reef]

Yeah exposures a big number boom

[opal leaf]

Thing is what did you do to reach the 10s

10 millions and above I mean

[solar reef]

change PP out for PPP

and fever strike out for primed fever strike

[opal leaf]

Oh damn

Ohhhhh OK I get it now I get it!

Is this accurate or theoretical?

[solar reef]

i mean its all just “on paper”

so it may not depict in-game accurately

[opal leaf]

I see I see but it's accurate enough tho right?

[solar reef]

but it should be relatively fine assuming you’re priming enough or whatever

you’ll one shot everything in base steel path without a doubt even without priming

[modest vector]

thats a arcane right or sumthing my arcane is influence

[solar reef]

not contagion nvm

[modest vector]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-pet-cat-pat-cat-petting-petting-cat-gif-88141326984537530

[opal leaf]

Would it help if I add my priming verglas

[modest vector]

my syam likes to troll me it does that then deals 50k dmg

🔥

[solar reef]

oh yeah
syam

yeah its projectile is multi co

[solar reef]

every bit of status helps with CO

[opal leaf]

So theoritcally it'll crank up that damage

[solar reef]

ideally you’d use something like hound, panzer, or diriga

[opal leaf]

I have diriga

Aight thanks Malz!

[solar reef]

you’ll also benefit more from something like burst laser primer rather than verglas

as burst laser prime can hit 50%cc without a riven

[modest vector]

i shud prob get roar for my subsume right if im on influence or do i get nourish

[opal leaf]

Ohhh higher crit chance I see

[solar reef]

yesnt

[opal leaf]

How so?

[solar reef]

its not necessarily for the crit itself

[opal leaf]

For what tho?

[solar reef]

so if you have 1x CD, you’re now at 1.2.

actually thats wrong

It might just be additve 1.2x

either way free crit

Verglas cant hit that 50% without a riven

so its better to use burst laser prime

[opal leaf]

I'm happy with my Dual Ichor Build hahahahaha pairing it with Ash

[leaden thistle]

From the wiki, it's flat additive
Critical damage multiplier is a flat final.. (eg. skana multi is 1.5x which is brought to 2.7x..)

[solar reef]

yeah

so its not huge but its still there

[opal leaf]

This is my Dual Ichor buikd

[solar reef]

no reason not to use it when ash is melee focused

[solar reef]

if you want to have more fun with it I actually recommend Vortex

[opal leaf]

Hahah I love slicing and icing enemy's

[opal leaf]

Oh? You picked my interest my friend

[solar reef]

Its a little worse than Influence set ups but its way more interesting and fun

Gas Vortex Ichor is awesome

[opal leaf]

Bet, would try on monday

[opal leaf]

Yo Malz, you have a Iron Staff build that hits hard for Wukong's clones?

[solar reef]

basically, the gas clouds will act as little tornadoes of death that pull enemies into them

[opal leaf]

Noted

[solar reef]

I dont wukong but afaik everyone just runs slam spam setups with it

once again, i dont play him so take whatever i say about it with a grain of salt

[solar reef]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1bfspgx/dual_ichor_melee_vortex/

unsure how good this specific setup is or anything but it shows the general idea for it

Create clouds of death, vortex pulls enemies into clouds, lasting DOT zone of doom and despair

[opal leaf]

That looks sick ngl

[opal leaf]

Aight, generic influence build I guess hahaha

[solar reef]

https://overframe.gg/build/367846/iron-staff-prime/iron-staff-electric-influence-nuke/

ninjase seems to just use a generic influ-spam set up

[narrow granite]

does galv apti work on Ogris?

[opal leaf]

Literally an influence build hahah

[opal leaf]

No, if it's the AOE

Yes if it's a direct contact of the bullet/grenade

[solar reef]

no

[opal leaf]

Other wise it's a no

[solar reef]

AOE effects dont benefit

[opal leaf]

Yee

[narrow granite]

what should I add to it then?

[opal leaf]

Anything, more Multishot if you want

Serration

[narrow granite]

was thinkin elementalist or vigi armaments + vigi supplies

[opal leaf]

Anything tbh

More base damage sometimes deals a lot

[solar reef]

i actually pulled an ogris riven not too long ago

a surprisingly usable one at that

[opal leaf]

I mean it's a rocket launcher, you can add Firestorm (I'f it's the name) if you want for that big Aoe

[narrow granite]

I have this lol

[narrow granite]

look again at the photo...lol

[narrow granite]

holy shit on mi kawk

[opal leaf]

Oh it's primed

I was fooled hahaha

[solar reef]

afaik Ogris is one of the few weapons that doesnt hate -Crit

base CC of like 8 or 9%

[narrow granite]

9

[solar reef]

i’ll probably sell it at trash price since i dont use it

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-4693057381493629157

[narrow granite]

but kuva riven dispo is horible like that riven ss I shared is for normal ogris not kurwa... kurwa bonus is halved

[solar reef]

not my problem to deal with, its got like a 50p trash price

[narrow granite]

yeah, I think imma go like this and then whack supplies at next lvl up...

[weary frigate]

You can choose either elementalist or that riven of yours ig, low dispo but still is 80% multishot

[narrow granite]

is 43%, the bonus in that ss was for normie ogris

[wary forge]

riven is slotable if its a good roll

[wary forge]

u want a faction mod really badly

[narrow granite]

Funny of you to think I'll remember to swap em out

[wary forge]

its just way more damge then vigliante

ig if using roar then its fine

[uneven halo]

is cascadia empowered good on ocucor?

[wary forge]

no

[naive hinge]

reactor to wisp(nonprime) ?
-# i just got my highest damage with her

[narrow granite]

nop, farm prime 😄

[uneven halo]

ok

[naive hinge]

why ):

[naive hinge]

wait i just saw your tag 🗿

[wary forge]

its pretty much just only fortifier and or flare

[wary forge]

what about it

[naive hinge]

its too long how did they do it 🗿

[dusky bane]

Isn't it cause napalm can't, not because of that

[solar reef]

i wouldnt know i dont use it

[wary forge]

its both but yes

[dusky bane]

Same lol

I only use it for pt and I copy pasted a build for that

[wary forge]

same reason why crit on sobek doesnt do anything besides help kill the intial target

[dusky bane]

Nice

[wary forge]

same thing for ogris

[dusky bane]

Ye, but sobek can crit

[wary forge]

i mean the base sobek can sure acid shells cant crit

all crit does is help u kill the intial target

[uneven halo]

with heat viral?

[wary forge]

cyte and sayrn already do more then enough dps to kill the inital target crit is really only used in stuff like level cap to use sobek to kill acoyltes and thrax a bit faster

[wary forge]

yes

[daring crystal]

hi guys , does -multishot still good for verglass ?

[wary forge]

did u really just ask this

[daring crystal]

well im still new to riven and nautilus stuff

[narrow granite]

I dont think there is a weapon in game rn which wants -ms

[wary forge]

^

[daring crystal]

i see , ty o7

[wary forge]

left one is slotable even if u dont want to use verglas for dps

all riven needs is crit to platofrm reinforced bond

if u want a dps build u dont need crit

[daring crystal]

ah , yes i just use it for bond mods

[wary forge]

cause verglas dfoes more dmg if u build it for status

[wary forge]

so then just stick with that left riven there its slotable for that

[daring crystal]

thanks for the info : D

[dusky bane]

I think stuff like thrown spearguns, or acuity guns, but yeah, that's a generally horrific negative

[daring crystal]

well the cc and cd blind me cuz i see people sell somethin like that for so much plat

TIL

[wary forge]

crit build is still good people want crit on the riven mainly so they can use bond with it

but like in terms of the most damage u go status

[daring crystal]

got it , thank you

[velvet pulsar]

Like this disgusting example:

[velvet pulsar]

CC too high that not even another mod is needed for procing Tenacious Bond

[naive hinge]

how much can this be worth 🗿

[narrow granite]

meme build inaros for belli and bulwark xD

[naive hinge]

buy why danteee ):

[narrow granite]

cuz wisp is a very strong frame 😄

[naive hinge]

is there a big dif ?

[narrow granite]

A$$

[naive hinge]

does thoes deserve to get its prime while its normal varient is easy to get ?

[velvet pulsar]

This is likely one of the most expensive verglas rivens because there is demand among those who want just 2 positive (with 1 CC) & negative, rather than 3 postive with 1 CC & negative.

[naive hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/qiwimedia-cat-staring-gif-16350308996772523597

[velvet pulsar]

2 positive because then the riven is sufficient by itself to proc Tenacious Bond rather than using another CC mod

[naive hinge]

@wary forgeraigbaiter are u muslim ?

[velvet pulsar]

3 postives reduces the max possible value

[wary forge]

nah

[naive hinge]

does 2 positive make each stat more ?

[naive hinge]

do you know what it says 🗿

[velvet pulsar]

The highest possible CC you can get is by 2 positive & a negative

[wary forge]

no idea

its just funny

[naive hinge]

😐

[velvet pulsar]

It's just a drawing of 4 tanks in a row.

[naive hinge]

its not

[velvet pulsar]

Their turrets are facing right direction.

Try to see it.

[wary forge]

verglas is super strong can easily do dmg cap even without a riven

[naive hinge]

bro its my language 😂

[naive hinge]

cant see it 🙂

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah people can draw stuff by jumbling letters from any language

[naive hinge]

yeh but for this in particular its a normal way to write it its not jubling here

[velvet pulsar]

Ooh

[naive hinge]

..

[wary forge]

If u can just get the prime

[naive hinge]

i checked it its expensive

• felt like its not deserved for those

[wary forge]

Isn’t wisp like 50p

Like 50-60

Not that crazy

[naive hinge]

70+

[wary forge]

Is she really

[naive hinge]

while she can haelth tank

[wary forge]

Oh she is damn

I didn’t know she went up

[naive hinge]

not that much but the diffirence is sheild where she health tank , little armor , 1 polarity can be done with forma, 5% speed

[wary forge]

I mean if you don’t have the spare resources to invest in the prime you might as well just stick with whatever your main frame is until u can get the prime

[narrow granite]

she can shield tank, help energy regen, roar and fast pew pew run run

[wary forge]

I mean sure it’s not crazy stat increases but like it’s literally just better

[narrow granite]

AND SHE PRAISES THE SUN!

Apologies, I am a wisp/Marie fanatic .x.

[naive hinge]

how does it help energy

[narrow granite]

archon stretch 😄

[naive hinge]

its doesnt need the prime

[narrow granite]

mah wisp prime * u *

[narrow granite]

Prime version of a warframe is always the one you want so you can oss the normal one to helmindth for subsume.

Also MR progress 😄

[naive hinge]

me lazy @narrow granite

i just got mirage what to build her for the buff ?

[narrow granite]

mirage can be built for 1 or 2 or 3

[naive hinge]

what hows ?

[narrow granite]

her 1 and 3 share same build... durration and power str her 2 is power and range +augment

[naive hinge]

what does 2 do ?

i got her for 1 and 3 🙂

[narrow granite]

2 is landmines basically

[dire terrace]

best predasite for the voruna mecha build?

[velvet pulsar]

Pharaoh IMO

[dire terrace]

but best for mecha build is herous or what kubrow it was

[velvet pulsar]

For claw damage? Then pharaoh isn't the best predasite

[velvet pulsar]

Huras

[wary forge]

medjay does the most dmg out of them

for kubrow its huras/sunika

huras u have to keep it invisible if u arent doing that just sunika

[dire terrace]

also how does nourish work on oraxia?

[wary forge]

just gives you more dmg

its pretty good on araxia

cause u get the toxin dmg from oraxia 3 plus extra dmg energy and viral from nourish

[dire terrace]

thats why i asked it

but they patched it?

[wary forge]

patched what

[dire terrace]

so basicly they made nourish work only for energy in oraxia i think

[wary forge]

i dont think they did

i have no idea tho

[wary forge]

@mighty flare

[gray quarry]

No, she gets the viral and extra dmg from viral on oraxia too, it’s just coded differently to not count as a dmg increasing ability, counts as energy I think

[dire terrace]

But in her big ability what will happen

[gray quarry]

She gets the extra dmg and viral from nourish

[dire terrace]

Oh

Just double additional dmg?

[gray quarry]

Since it doesn’t physically change the damage(like uriel or oraxia would)it just adds more damage

[gray quarry]

I think so, unsure how nourish does its viral and extra dmg

[dire terrace]

Just it gets poison and then viral?

[dire terrace]

Well you sure about this ooor

🤣😭😭 bx idk what to do

[gray quarry]

The viral hits first then the tox I believe

[dire terrace]

Oh.

[gray quarry]

take what I’m saying with a grain of salt

[quaint spade]

Whats a good primary for high level and steel path etc. Im mr 12 nearly 13? Also a build would be insane help too

[rose wedge]

What frame are you using?

[dusky bane]

any incarnon tbh

[quaint spade]

Well i use mesa cuz ivs got a build for her and her pistols but i just wanted a nice build for a primary cuz im getting bored of using the nataruk

[rose wedge]

If i remember correctly, its only applied to weapon damage

[quaint spade]

Just wanted a weapon that can work with any frame

[rose wedge]

Doesnt she delete everything with her exalted weapons?

[quaint spade]

Yeah.

Just wanted a good primary for in-general stuff

[rose wedge]

What kind of weapon you like more tho? Rifle, beam, shotgun?

[quaint spade]

Beam sounds fun and idm rifle ig. Beam best ig

[uncut crescent]

Voruna Prime build? and typically how do her builds work I've never used her before

[rose wedge]

What was that beam weapon that has a OP incarnon? My brother uses it on his mesa

1 sec

[mighty flare]

theres examples in: #1492606866482794601 message

[rose wedge]

Mb, it seems torid is a launcher

[rocky mason]

Torid incarnon is a beam

[quaint spade]

How do i get an incarnon

[rose wedge]

Oh, ty, that explains everythibg XD

[rose wedge]

Duviri steel path

[quaint spade]

Isnt it random tho

[solar reef]

incarnons are on an 8 week rotation

[rose wedge]

You can select it once its on the current circuit rotation

[solar reef]

you can see what each week in the circuit has before it arrives

whats in each week never changes

[quaint spade]

Some incarnons are weapons some are things you add to make weapons incarnon. Which is the torid one

[solar reef]

right now we're on week 8

[rose wedge]

Last time torid came it was 2-3 weeks ago, it will take a while until it comes back ig

[grave arch]

heya, got a few questions regarding (my) Hildryn builds.
Should I ask them here or is there a specific channel/thread for specific frames?

[solar reef]

meaning, unless they add the new incarnons, we'll be on week 1 starting 8:00 PM EST on Sunday

[solar reef]

its week 4

[mighty flare]

you can ask here, but there's also: https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1481553563485212692
for help

[solar reef]

so you're looking at 3 weeks and 2 days until Torid

[grave arch]

aight thanks! I'll probably head over there then

[quaint spade]

Damn

[rose wedge]

Until it come back i think you could use opticor vandal, its a nice beam weapon with great riven dispo @quaint spade
And you can get it on the current ongoing thermia event

[quaint spade]

Thermia event?

Sorry i just came back to the game

[rose wedge]

Thermia fracture is the name, iirc

You can see on the ongoing events tab on the map

Not much time left tho

[quaint spade]

How do i check the current steel path rotation

Duviri

[solar reef]

by going to steel path duviri???

like what

[quaint spade]

I havent done normal yet thats what i mean

[solar reef]

guh

[rose wedge]

Once you select the curcuit mode it shows up

[solar reef]

its week 8 right now

[rose wedge]

You have to play all regular duviri modes at least once to unlock the steel path

[solar reef]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/The_Circuit

you can find the week tables here

[naive hinge]

does wisp augment makes her4 strong ? + what augments are important

if i gave her a potato what can i add ?

[solar reef]

energy nexus and dreamers bond 😰

[mighty flare]

4 aug makes her it usable, you'd want

• archon vitality for extra heat dots and
• energy from equilibrium or fallout instead of nexus/energize
• +dmg% from arcane arachne or naramon

[solar reef]

with full shard investment and arcanes you can make it usable in base steel path no problems

from what i hear its kind of awkward to use but dont quote me on that

[mighty flare]

dont need shards for base sp brah

[narrow granite]

For a summoner build Caliban what ability you guyz swap and with what?

[solar reef]

does it not desparately need them?

[mighty flare]

no

[solar reef]

ive been told time and time again that its just shooting pepper spray

[mighty flare]

(||why we larping||)

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-sleepy-cat-sleeping-kitty-kitten-gif-18678404

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318

[mighty flare]

his 4

[solar reef]

his 4th for nourish (or roar)

[mighty flare]

by who bru, its totally fine at base sp

[solar reef]

just observing the chats over the last however long its been since it got addedd

[narrow granite]

ugh not the UwU T_T

[naive hinge]

@mighty flare@solar reef so should i just not use it ?

[solar reef]

?

[mighty flare]

the 4 augment?

[undone dust]

normal sol feels like expired pepper spray, with aug it feels like awesome sauce

[solar reef]

if you want to use it use it

[naive hinge]

ye

[solar reef]

its the only way to make her 4th viable

[mighty flare]

if you like it, use it, its totally usable, otherwise without the augment, don't bother with her 4

[solar reef]

if you want to sol beam use it

[marble marten]

Loki Mind Control is so funny lol

[narrow granite]

is there a world where kurwa drakgoon can be steelpathable?

[dense holly]

Oh man, i was so geeked out i sent it in the wrong channel

[narrow granite]

• u * Holi shit

[dense abyss]

What primary weapon for Eidolon hunt?

Rubico / Vadarya / Zenith...

[narrow granite]

vectis :V

[quiet laurel]

zenith results in fastest runs

[solar reef]

Zenith if you what to hyper-meta

Vadarya is better than Rubico on numbers alone if you want to use one of those

[supple plover]

any recommended optimization for this build? i plan on getting it today when new rotation so idk the element

[maiden geode]

does not seem like an alt fire build so deadhead > merciless for sure, pointblank is kinda useless 90% added on top of the 360% from deadhead / merciless is insignificant. on top of that you are lacking crit chance / crit damage and some fire rate would not hurt either.

[wary forge]

This is fine u don’t elementalist if u want to run a mod to boost reload/mag cap just go chilling reload or primed ammo stock

[maiden geode]

anything is fine, but fine does not equal optimal. you are loosing out on a lot of potential damage by not utilizing its high base crit chance and above average crit damage multiplier AND stacking another base damage mod that only gives 90% on top of deadhead / merciless.

[wary forge]

Anything is not fine lol

[maiden geode]

They did not ask if the build is fine or usable, they asked for "any recommended optimization for this build"

[maiden geode]

anything is fine, yout Time to Kill will be worse but you can even kill a lvl cap demo with your feet if you are comitted enough. but most people dont even go there, base SP can be cleared with suboptimal builds on suboptimal guns, but again, thats not the point, they asked for ways of optimizing it, i gave some ways and explained why, idk what your issues with that is.

[wary forge]

That build already melts steel path so why even use 2 mod slots for crit when u can just run more qol which then just means more kpm

[maiden geode]

also, in addition to that, you have not selected an element as bonus element and while heat / elementalist is not a bad combo, on this build your heat distribution is terrible, you'll get a lot more corrosive procs which is suboptimal because heat can be stacked into the thousands, while corrosive caps at 10 + possibly any green shards that increase it

[wary forge]

Yeah let’s go elementalist when u have heat corrosive viral and most likely magnetic from ur progenitor makes a lot of sense to go elementalist there lmao

[maiden geode]

Idk if you are trolling or trying to rage bait here, but I will repeat it one more time for you, because they (The person asking the question)

did NOT ask if their build is fine / okay.

They DID ask "any recommended optimization for this build?"

IF Optimization is not your cup of tea, thats fine, dont do it, i dont care

[wary forge]

What you’re suggesting isn’t even optimizing tho

[maiden geode]

butu this is the build discussion channel and someone asked for ways to improve their build, which is totally valid and what this channel is for, so again, I do not know / understand what your issue is.

Nobody said its bad or not okay. they asked for "optimization" and i gave them optimization

[maiden geode]

it does but as i explained the heat weight is incredibly low, if they do want to utilize the heat dot they should lower their corrosive weight and increase their heat weight.

and i did also explain everything else i said, do not make me repeat everything 5 times please, i explained why the things ic alled bad are "bad" in this case

[wary forge]

If you want to actually optimize it for most dps then everything you’ve said so far is just wrong. It goes back to my point where it doesn’t matter if it’s maximum dmg output it’s not like coda bubonico struggles at sp so there’s no reason to not go a reload/mag cap mod for more qol

[wary forge]

You don’t even go heat btw

[maiden geode]

again, it literally is not, but i will not again explain you how gunco works and how certain things stack additively while others stack multiplicatively

[maiden geode]

my man, I did not ask a question either, in case you are too slow to understand it, look here someone shared a build and asked for "optimization"

they did not ask for another build or for someone to tell them if its okay, they have a build as seen on the screenshot, and they are asking for ways of optimizing it (making it better)

and thats what i did, and i also explained why, they have merciless which gives up to 360% base damage which is additive to other base damage mods like Point blank, wasting a slot just to add 90% damage on top of those 360% is BAD

you are better off using a primed bane mod in that same slot especially if you care about DoT, or fire rate if you want a more universal improvement as fire rate is a whole other multiplier, and you want different multipliers, not the same stat stacked over and over again

Also, rage baiting is really not funny when people are genuinely asking for help

[wary forge]

How am I ragebaiting lol

If anything you’re ragebaiting me

[maiden geode]

your name literally says it, and you are rage baiting by essentially ignoring everything i said and denying basic maths

[wary forge]

Ah yes ignoring basic maths im sure one heat mod and elementalist is better then just going only corrosive and adding a faction mod

[maiden geode]

thats not what i said, again, go read what I have repeated 2 times already

[wary forge]

My name can be tung tung tung sahur that doesn’t mean I’m triple T tho

[maiden geode]

ye ye sure

[wary forge]

There’s just no reason to maximum dps when with 5 mods it shreds everything

He’s not taking it into a level cap run

You can disagree I guess

[maiden geode]

alr are you done rage baiting? for the third and last time, THEY asked for optimization. just read the question ffs

its not me telling them that they NEED to do any of that, it's THEM asking on how they can improve it further.

[wary forge]

You can optimize a build for both usability and quality of life btw

Don’t think u understand that

[maiden geode]

Dw, i understand every single bit of the game far better than you do.

and fortunately enough, all recommendations i made affect QoL positively, deadhead is more comfy and easier to stack. But clearly you are the one who does not understand it once again >_>

[supple plover]

ngl this is the first message i saw and thought you were calling me slow for asking a question till i read everything from the beginning lol

[novel bear]

Faction mods aren’t nearly as good without dots

[supple plover]

and ^ this is why i asked here yes. If i wanted to copy paste builds, i wouldnt ask quesitons. just trynna learn how to build thats all

[maiden geode]

nah dw c:

[maiden geode]

thats correct

[wary forge]

I’m sure you do man I bet you’re L6 with 0 level cap runs

[maiden geode]

can you please stay on topic or just stop spamming? this is still the build discussion channel, my MR or my lvl cap runs do not matter.

[wary forge]

Ironic

[maiden geode]

anyways yea so, utilize its crit, fire rate would not be bad, you want less corrosive, more heat

and deadhead is a no brainer, easier to stack, negative recoil is nice QoL wise and you get a +1.3x headshot multiplier which is great

[supple plover]

wait quesiton, is this going off of non-alt fire build?

[wary forge]

Ah yes very ewsy to use deadhead on a shot gun with pellets

[maiden geode]

accurate enough to even get headshots on 20+ meters especially with galv acc, sounds like a major skill issue on your end

[maiden geode]

thats for a primary fire build, alt fire builds are mostly the same, but the alt fire has a high cd multiplier and low crit chance

[supple plover]

sorry maybe i shouldve clarified, im going for an alt-fire build. i was looking at a couple build videos and this is what i ended up with. just saying i did this before i saw your messages.

[maiden geode]

so for a alt fire spam build you dont build crit but you need flat crit chance sources

[wary forge]

How many level cap runs do you have red tiger

[supple plover]

so should i take out ravage since ravage is crit damage?

[wary forge]

Since you’re so good at warframe

[maiden geode]

once again, its off topic, can you stop spaming?

you would keep crit damage, leave our crit chance, and you absolutely want external flat crit like arcane avenger to make it crit

[wary forge]

Why aren’t u answering the question tho

[wary forge]

If you’re doing alt fire build no need to go Crit I mean if u want to go avenger I guess but just not needed

[maiden geode]

because you are spaming off-topic, you are being obnoxious, and nobody wants to talk with you, this is the wrong channel for you.

you dont ever need anything, again, not the point.

[wary forge]

You can answer the question btw

[fierce lark]

savvy doesn't do anything for altfire build

[maiden geode]

also that yea

[prime scarab]

I finally committed to putting together a triple umbra build and now I can't actually figure out anyone to put it on.

All my mains are better off without it.

[supple plover]

ah, i do have avenger i can put on some warframes. but for warframes i kinda want to take other arcanes for, can i rely on tenacious bond on pet?

[fierce lark]

for clarification, galv savvy and similar CO type mods don't apply their damage to "radial" damage portions of a weapon

which bubonico's altfire is 95% aoe damage

none of that damage is affected by savvy

[maiden geode]

well the issue with the bubonico is that it has high crit damage but low base crit chance

[supple plover]

oh okay, i do see tenacous mention crit damage so prob not then?

[wary forge]

You want a mag cap mod/reload mod for the alt fire build

[maiden geode]

so you mod for crit damage and try to get your crits from other sources like the vigilante set bonus, avenger, adarza kavats etc.

[supple plover]

then since @fierce lark mentioned i should take out savvy, should i put like vigilante armaments for more multishot and bit of crit?

[maiden geode]

yea savvy does nothing on an alt fire build

[fierce lark]

you either use adarza/avenger/harrow or you don't play into the crit at all

[supple plover]

would i have to change the build at all if i dont play into crit at all?

[fierce lark]

just swap ravage for smth

[wary forge]

You would want a lot more status for the alt fire build especially

Since ur dropping savy

And not going Crit

[maiden geode]

thye already have crux, once again those 80% are pretty insignificant compared to the 300% from crux

just ignore any advice from this person at this point

[wary forge]

Why would you go crux

Lmao

[maiden geode]

more spam, and i would not but they have it

and they asked for changes, again, look at the screenshot

[wary forge]

I’m sure ur hitting so many weak points with the alt fire

[supple plover]

tbh its cause its what i saw on vids.

[wary forge]

And even if you are it’s still just bad

Crux is just not a good arcane it’s good on some hight multishot beam weapons for single target an that’s it really

[maiden geode]

its great but the condition is very annoying, if you do not want to tap their heads after every burst do not use crux

[supple plover]

any rec for alt fire? aside from shotgun vendetta cause thats the other one thats rec but i dont got that one

[wary forge]

I’m sure ur getting a lot of headshots with bubonico alt fire

[maiden geode]

you use the primary fire for that silly

alt fire is aoe

[wary forge]

If your using the primary for that just do a primary fire build at that point lmao

It’s ok you’re clearly a Warframe knower with your 0 level cap runs

[supple plover]

whole point of me having the discussion here is so i can figure out how to go about building this.

so appreciate your input but no thanks

[maiden geode]

once again, I will ask you to either stay on topic, or just go away, the amount of level cap runs i have made are absolutely irrelevant to this discussion, if you truly care, 1000+ probably, but it really does not matter because anyone can copy builds and run lvl cap with them especially in 2026 where everything can do dmg / lvl cap, be it a stug or even your feet.

[wary forge]

You think primary crux is good on alt fire build and ur reasonijg is just use the primary fire to stack it lmao

[maiden geode]

all of this really is not the point, i am just giving options here, every build is subjective to some extent, and as i already stated, i too would not run crux on a pure alt fire built

[wary forge]

Just use the primary fire that point lmao

[maiden geode]

No, i do not, now you're lying / trolling / rage baiting again

[wary forge]

Like is that even a real thing to say

[fierce lark]

you have not run 1000+ levelcap runs, i doubt even most of the people who run it regularly have done that

but it's also so beyond irrelevant why is it even being brought up

[maiden geode]

just stop that, i previously explicitly said I would NOT use it myself

[supple plover]

um.. so any recommened arcane for alt fire? aside from shotgun vendetta preferably. i got merciless, deadhead, fracalized and blight

[fierce lark]

either crux if you're willing to keep it up with primary fire or merciless

[wary forge]

Shotgun Vendetta is buns just go merciless

[maiden geode]

it was more about me throwing out some random number, i do not count, i do not care

^

[wary forge]

Overcharge would be the best but u gotta be on a frame that can use it

[supple plover]

oh okay, so if i just wanna use sole alt fire -> merciless?

[fierce lark]

pmuch

[maiden geode]

merciless or overcharge they're both fine

[fierce lark]

being in the range to even activate vendetta is just going to have you permanently staggered

[maiden geode]

the other ones are more conditional

[fierce lark]

if you can activate overcharge or bulwark they're both bis

[maiden geode]

if you do not like super conditional stuff those are more reliable

[fierce lark]

merciless works on everything

[supple plover]

fair

[wary forge]

You have to be touching tips in order to activate vendetta is just bad

[fierce lark]

i mean it's w/e either way, you don't need to run lvlcap to know how to build weapons, and the implication that you do is completely asinine

[supple plover]

i assume this should be good then? i think for the crit chance thing, ill try to prob look up how to get adarza

[maiden geode]

yea thats what i said earlier >_> but zach kept bringing it up

[fierce lark]

someone who lives in lvlcap is going to tell someone at base sp that the torid is mid or bad bc it doesn't scale into cap without buffs

but it's literally top 2 gun in the game up to like lvl 500+

[maiden geode]

thats why i just said 1000+

[wary forge]

You just act like you know a lot and they don’t even do level cap

When level cap is just the hardest content in the game

[fierce lark]

you can know a lot without ever having done levelcap, it's completely irrelevant content

[maiden geode]

^

[wary forge]

The game in general is easy sure

[maiden geode]

would not even say so

[fierce lark]

i never said it wasn't, but lvlcap isn't hard either lol

[maiden geode]

I would argue that sth like competetive PT speedrunning is harder

[wary forge]

Its not but its harder then base sp

[maiden geode]

anyone can copy your average revenant + torid builds and do lvl cap runs, thats too easy

[wary forge]

0.0000001% of players do this btw

[maiden geode]

but not everyone can get a sub 1 minute solo pt run

[fierce lark]

competitive anything speedrunning is harder than lvlcap, there's intricate setup involved in everything

grofits

[maiden geode]

Because it is actually difficult, i know. and that number is just wrong >_>

and you could say the same about lvl cap, that isnt popular either, its absolutely pointless what you're trying to say here

[wary forge]

Also you kept just suggesting to optimize the build there’s just no reason to optimize it for most dps when ur not trying to use it in something like a level cap that was my main point

[maiden geode]

the vast majority never does lvl cap and does not commit a single hour into a mission

[worthy siren]

Does this apply to combos that slam downwards?

[maiden geode]

the reason was that they WANTED to optimize it, they did not ask for your opinion if it was necessary

[wary forge]

If the combo has a slam in it yes

[worthy siren]

Thanks

[wary forge]

Np

[fierce lark]

anything that does the slam animation (like claw heavies) benefits from slam mods yeah

[wary forge]

Not worth slotting tho if ur not doing a slam build

[worthy siren]

Even this?

[fierce lark]

yep

if it slams, it's coded as a "slam" attack

which i think includes the 4th light hit in the magistar combo lol