builds-discussion

[opal leaf]

No one kills you, no one can sense you

It's a good pair for kubrow

Because of Damage Decoy, it'll be a good platform for Mecha Kubrow

3 Kubrow killing anyone while invis and doing Status nuke??? OOO

[ionic marsh]

are these good budget builds?

Im putting that hellfire after I polarize

[opal leaf]

Yeah, it's the same builds I use

It works well

I mean Verglas is just strong but it can be a stat stick too if you use Vigilante Mods which is good

[signal blade]

So faction damage mods are additive to roar right

Im doing the funny thing with the Syam and I noticed I have a faction mod on my weapon but im using roar

[fierce lark]

prioritize ranking up the mods you already have equipped first, but yeah

you want some fire rate on verglas though, and i generally would suggest running redirection + reinforced bond on pet for free personal +60% fire rate

[signal blade]

So what could I replace

[fierce lark]

hard to know what to replace it with without knowing what's on the weapon already

[signal blade]

I was about to test Voltaic strike in place of condition overload

[opal leaf]

Just don't use Faction mods at all

[signal blade]

Yeah that's what im thinking

[opal leaf]

Check the flex

Felx options

[signal blade]

Just slap on voltaic strike strike I that spot then

What is crab sweat lol

[opal leaf]

Influence build

That's a crab sweat, check the letters

[signal blade]

Oh that's a cool thing

[opal leaf]

Yee

It's the most common Melee buuld but works on ANY light attack melees

I mean it works on other things as well but yeah

[ionic marsh]

What mods on verglas should I change for fire rate?

Im using Gauss so I don't really need that fire rate on me

[signal blade]

Now the question is, more crit damage or Voltaic strike

Or killing blow

Holy

Killing blow it is

[fierce lark]

primed shred if you have it or vile accel

[ionic marsh]

oh I mean what do I replace

[old charm]

Primed Shred with the punch through is a monster on Verglas. Until you get that though, it really doesn’t matter. At least the Elementalist mod gives a little punch through

[midnight horizon]

Anyone got a hydroid loot drop build

[ionic marsh]

so I just use my current build until I can get primed shred?

[old charm]

The absolute most important thing about verglas modding for heat/viral is you need heat to be higher than viral. That can be done with Fired Up on the companion, but the difference in damage is huge

It has to do with the status chance proc probability, its stacking 5x more heat than just beating 10 stacks of viral

[ionic marsh]

oh so I'm good

what should I replace for an attack speed mod

[craggy niche]

Okay persistence oraxia just feels evil lol

How is it okay to be this tonky

[simple frost]

opinion on my grendel build?

[rich glacier]

Put corrosive projection. It can fill any armor gaps from your 4

[hazy willow]

chat, i got rid of wukong for space for nezha, how do i build him

[lavish orbit]

The easiest way to build him is full range then strength, your 3rd is what's make you tankier (absorb damage such has hold rhino's iron skin), with that the augmentation for divine spear that add damage over dot status, play him with heat, toxin and/or slash weapon preferably :)

[dusky bane]

His 4 doesn't even need that much strength

[lavish orbit]

Let me adjust

Range then strength

[dapper jolt]

Not looking to hyper-optimise this Kuva Sobek build yet, so am I doing anything dumb or are there things I could improve on easily? I'm not too far off from reaching the next tier of arcane

[dusky bane]

You're lackin base damage severely

Blaze ain't cutting it

[dapper jolt]

I figured the arcane would be enough, and Blaze could give me a good baseline level when it's not active

[dusky bane]

I guess just something like this
Though the shotgun is quite mid by itself

[dusky bane]

Not at rank 1 imo

[dapper jolt]

I'll swap out Frail Momentum

Ok that seems to be better

[warm obsidian]

What's up with dropping Strength?

[dusky bane]

1 augment

[fierce lark]

are you asking why they're dropping strength?

[dusky bane]

The subsume is what's confusing me

[fierce lark]

silence is a pretty normal khora sub

[dusky bane]

Never seen it tbh
I mostly see energy subsumes on her

[fierce lark]

i do see both archon continuity and archon stretch which is a little weird

looting khora either wants mag vortex or tox exposure, influence doesn't behave well with dome

and nothing should really ever get in range for diriga to zap it

so idk what the astretch is doing

but yeah silence is pretty nice for nullifying acolytes & eximus

[warm obsidian]

Seeing lots of builds with low strength

[dusky bane]

Only her 1 cares about strength and the augment takes care of that

[fierce lark]

accumulating whipclaw gives up to a 350% additive strength buff to her 1, so strength can be left in the negative unless you use a buff subsume

[opal leaf]

Any of you have reference build for Trumna?

[frigid crater]

How much of a dps boost is amalgam furax for mesa?

[sleek marlin]

Is there a guide or resource somewhere you guys can recommend for builds on all the other non-frame and non-weapon stuff?

For example archwing, railjack, necramech, open world stuff etc.?

[opal leaf]

Warframe wiki

[naive hinge]

what to build barston

[rich glacier]

Do elements from incarnon modes combine with elements? I've forgotten

[blazing cosmos]

I dont think so

[opal leaf]

I have a build for it, but it's focus on Multishot

[naive hinge]

are galvanized her important ?

like scope

[charred gale]

if u dont have galvainzed just use regular version

[naive hinge]

will viral be best if i am using panzer ?

[charred gale]

no

id do corrosive then

[naive hinge]

lol @charred gale

[dense abyss]

I thought Kuva/Tenet/Coda weapons didn't appear with 58%, because the website says that value is rounded up to 60%, but I saw some people advertising 58% and I'm confused... Can someone help me with this?

[charred gale]

might as well get the last one😭

[naive hinge]

thats the second time it happens
it happened yesterday with duviri fishes

19/20

[charred gale]

😭

[opal leaf]

Yes

To had more damage on weakpoints while having the opportunity to charge the Incarnon fast (as Multishot helps with that)

[quiet laurel]

Wish I could give you some

[naive hinge]

💀 hoooooooooow

[opal leaf]

Yo.... Give me Galv mods instead I need me some plat

[quiet laurel]

Leeching meta arbi tech

[naive hinge]

13000 plat just right here

[naive hinge]

what ?

[quiet laurel]

Allat gonna go into kuva

[quiet laurel]

Playing with people who can play cyte really well on meta arbitrations

[opal leaf]

Yo yo yo

Do Sobek Shenanigans affect the Drones in Arbis?

[quiet laurel]

Yes

[opal leaf]

AYOOO!

Nah I'm bringing Cyte into Arbis

[naive hinge]

what to put here guys ?

[quiet laurel]

I mean cyte is meta

[naive hinge]

what does cyte do

[opal leaf]

I have the guide there

[quiet laurel]

So yes you should

[opal leaf]

Oh yeah!

[naive hinge]

didnt understand the last one

[opal leaf]

@naive hinge check the arrow I drew

[opal leaf]

Riven

[naive hinge]

if i dont have a riven ?

[quiet laurel]

Infinite terrain punchthrough and reloading your weapon via his 2nd ability so you can constantly kill the enemies as soon as they spawn without having to reload

[opal leaf]

Then those 2

Do magnet or more fire rate

Gilded truth has 80% fire rate

Magnet deals with overguard and shields

[dense abyss]

yeah, i want to buy a kuva sobek for this, i tried with his Neutralizer but its not just that fast and good to clear against thats immune drones

[quiet laurel]

Normal sobek is better if you have a riven btw

[dense abyss]

wait, what...

[quiet laurel]

Much better dispo and for arbi you want to fire rate/multishot max as much as possible

[fickle girder]

anything about this Voruna Prime build that i should change? figured Precision Intensify would be good since i use her 4 more than anything else

her total ability strength is 289%, but her 4 can go all the way up to 445%

[lavish orbit]

Archon stretch

Archon flow if you want

[granite ginkgo]

what archon shard u use?

[fickle girder]

all tau red for strength lol

[granite ginkgo]

holy

no speed cast?

[fickle girder]

could probably drop one for a yellow shard

[granite ginkgo]

ur build is fine since u use 4th skill, it another story if 4th is subsumed

what pet tho?

[fickle girder]

first instinct was "i use my 4 a lot. let's go all-in on strength lmao"

[fickle girder]

just a regular Hound

could easily swap to my Smeeta Kavat, but i like the idea of a wolf-based warframe having either a Kubrow or Hound as a companion

[granite ginkgo]

i pair w kubrow type better, if u want ur 2nd priming to proc in wide area i suggest pair with mecha build - u either dont or do equip mecha aura mod

huras kubrow is 1st choice for invisible proc, and since u use 4th it wont break that invisibility

[fickle girder]

wouldn't it be better to just use her 1 for invisibility?

i use all of her abilities, just her 4 the most

[granite ginkgo]

her 1st invisibility is one used, when u use 2nd or 4th it cancel the invis. but w huras u go invis. permanently

[fickle girder]

weird. for me, using her 4 with the 1 active will cancel the invisibility during the attack itself, and then reapply

[granite ginkgo]

my pick for survivalbility is huras anyway + mecha build + priming claw

[granite ginkgo]

if u reach kit desp. u can extend this via melee kill dont need to reapply

so cast once, and go crazy proc 4th

[fickle girder]

no no, like the invisibility will reapply itself, without needing to be cast again

[granite ginkgo]

it shouldnt do that tho

unless 4th skill doesnt count as atk

that also mean for 2nd skill

maybe a bug, imma test it out

[fickle girder]

i'll head to the simulacrum and try to record a quick video

[granite ginkgo]

damn my simaris standing is capped, never noticed

[fickle girder]

the invisibility ends during the attack itself, and then gets reapplied when i regain control of Voruna

[dusty dragon]

any weapons out there other than the bubonicos that can do the uriel AC130 build?

[granite ginkgo]

i see, so wpn atk break the invisible, not voruna skill atk

[fickle girder]

anything with an alt fire can be used while Uriel's flying

[granite ginkgo]

if u dont use 4th, n atk w weapon instead that cancel invisible, but it not work directly from voruna atk kit

[fickle girder]

yeah using weapons, melee included, will break the invisibility and i'll need to recast it. just not when i use other abilities. her 2nd and 3rd ability also won't break the invisibility

unlike her 4, her 2 won't break invisibility at all

nvm, yes it does. it breaks, and then automatically reapplies when i regain control

[granite ginkgo]

ic

[fickle girder]

i don't think she really needs a primer anyway. even at 45% ability efficiency, i can use her 2 quite a few times before running out of energy. i can apply up to 13 different status effects with that alone. not really sure what a weapon or companion could apply that her 2 can't

except Tau damage, of course, but i think that's exclusive to Caliban

[granite ginkgo]

mecha set it not primer, it just transfer the killed enemy status stack to other

so u dont need to build more range on 2nd skill

what ur hound weapon? batoten?

[fickle girder]

her 2 already does that, with a much wider range. because of the augment on her 1, the range of effect spreading from her 2 gets a 150% boost to its range. the build i have already has 145% range without even building for it, so it can ready pretty far

unless i'm just misreading the augment description, and that boost is only applied to a single random enemy when i use her 1 lmao

[granite ginkgo]

i got no idea how to test this, maybe in captura

[fickle girder]

it'd be nice to have an extra primer so i'm not spamming her 2 so much though, so i'll definitely work on getting that kubrow you mentioned. gonna be a while before i have enough forma though. just used all of it on Voruna 💀

[granite ginkgo]

another one, using the crit melee dmg (since voruna p have the required max energy via prime flow) it does proc with 4th skill

[granite ginkgo]

diriga is primer, but yea u want doggo

[granite ginkgo]

https://overframe.gg/build/540825/dorma-hound/robo-dog-update-34-oct-2023/ hope this help on ur hound

if u arent aware, pet augment count as skill, but to trigger it based on mods sequence, it start top left

[wary forge]

Main issue with hounds is no tenacious bond tho

[near edge]

would blood well on mag be a decent choice for keeping a bubble pullin in?

[wary forge]

They are good primers for sure but like imo just use an epitath

[wary forge]

Nah

Just cast bubble and any gun that it synergies well with and ur gonna delete everything

[near edge]

how come

[fickle girder]

just looked in the Upgrade menu for my hound. Tenacious Bond can go on them

[near edge]

yes but they stop pulling in after a min

[wary forge]

You just don’t need to do that

[wary forge]

Just recast it

[near edge]

I guessssss

[wary forge]

It can go on them but they don’t have enough Crit to use it

[fickle girder]

oh yeah, mine has 10% crit rate. yikes

[granite ginkgo]

u cant use epitaph within voruna 4th active

[wary forge]

Fire it then press 4

[fickle girder]

i think my hound is already built to be a primer? copied this build from Overframe but forgot if it was meant for raw damage, or status chance

[granite ginkgo]

hound build around this 3 mods to work as primer, last one just for extra spread + armor strip

[wary forge]

Just build if for raw dmg and status

That build is pretty bad I’m ngl

[wary forge]

Why do you need to prime and armor strip if u have to do against steel path enemies your build is very bad or very cope

[granite ginkgo]

look the guy already spend/invest on his hound with voruna, the only i can suggest change hound to work as 2nd primer w/o need to deactivate 4th skill

that remind me hound can use coolant leak lmao

[wary forge]

ye im just saying u dont need a primer just use whateverr companion u want to really

hound is good its jsut more so niche imo

[granite ginkgo]

then what ur suggest build my lord

[wary forge]

i always use beasts retriver is just to borken

and on voruna ur using the mecha mods anyways

so you might as well just do a dmg sunika kubrow if u have the stuff for it

[granite ginkgo]

if OP unsure what sunika does

[wary forge]

this is basically just assain posture as a mod but its main mod is savergy

makes it attack enemies at once

also its claws are the highest base dmg

[opal leaf]

What makes Kubrow able to be....... Like it drink coffee? Jumping around killing enemies?

[wary forge]

kubrows can room nuke if you build around it yes

just look it up on yt

[opal leaf]

Oh that's Mecha set

Yeah I had that for Loki and Koumei

Thing is I meant like... How a hyperactive dog but a killing Mchine

[wary forge]

mainly sunika, huras and the medjay predacite

[wary forge]

ye koumei is a good pet frame

[velvet pulsar]

Medjay or Pharaoh?

[opal leaf]

I just need to make Koumei survive more comfortably

[wary forge]

medjay does more dmg

[velvet pulsar]

So this is not with precept in mind?

[wary forge]

its with the precept but also thier claws have better stats

[velvet pulsar]

Coz Pharaoh grants toxin infusion

So that would synergize with mecha set

[wary forge]

i mean sure but it has to get in its own toxin proc

[dusky bane]

omamori + shield regen usually enough for 99% of content

[velvet pulsar]

I'll have to try that on Lavos then

[opal leaf]

Shield regen... Abusing the hell of... Oh!

The Gauss Shield!

Fast Deflection, Vigilante Vigor and Arcane Aegis!

[wary forge]

yep

u dont even need all of that tho

[opal leaf]

Is there any shield regen :3

Aside from Them

[wary forge]

just those

theres the augor mods and brief respite

when u cast abilties and get shields back

[velvet pulsar]

Hildryn specter + Shield Osprey specter.

Permanent Haven.

[wary forge]

why not jsut use a dante spectre at that point tho

[velvet pulsar]

I wanna know if it is tested out that Dante specter will consistently provide overguard regeneration without any downtime

[dusky bane]

has nothing to do with gauss, but yes, those 2 mods
aegis is optional with omamori tbh

[opal leaf]

Oh I just call it the Gauss Shield bc it's similar to Gauss's passive

[quiet laurel]

aegis is optional any time

[opal leaf]

Oof i don't have those hahahaha

[quiet laurel]

its just nice invulnerability qol

[near edge]

is citrine able to proc arcane ice storm with her crystal?

[velvet pulsar]

Slow

But yes

Not worth it

[near edge]

kk second question can her shell proc archon intensify?

[opal leaf]

I mean 10 seconds of impenetrable shield cause of instant regeneration?

Hell yeah!

[wary forge]

On any frame with build in shield regen/recharge aegis really isn’t need it’s just more qol like Drascho said

[opal leaf]

Yee true

[old marsh]

or just run circumvent

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-roll-confuse-gif-11695636

circumvent gameplay

[opal leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-the-souls-gif-9284477

Dark souls moment

[rose wedge]

Would cascadia flare stack well with a double dipping kuva nukor build? Idk if i could build a nukor for pure damage

[rose wedge]

Is it good for rhino or mirage to have?

[velvet pulsar]

I'll use both Aegis & Circumvent on Lavos.

[velvet pulsar]

On mirage yes

[rose wedge]

What other options could i use on a rhino? Arcane battery to make use of the armor and avoid wasting a mod slot on primed flow maybe?

[coral crest]

If only you could sprint- oh wait

[old marsh]

not needed for Rhino. Mirage is upto u, she has DR in built in her kit along with her clones(mirage)

basically a comfort thing

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[old marsh]

that overguard arcane and efficiency

[opal leaf]

Rhino doesn't need it, his overguard is enough

[velvet pulsar]

Arcane Truck

[rose wedge]

Idk if i should build her for tanking or just shield gating with a rolling guard on her and amalgam barrel diffusion on her secondary

[velvet pulsar]

U replied to a mirage question

[old marsh]

shards

[old marsh]

i am getting to it lol

[old marsh]

u can swap efficiency for circumvent

Omamori just makes u unkillable

shards

[velvet pulsar]

U do know that Total Eclipse affects her 1 right?

[rose wedge]

What if i get a nourish on the stomp slot so i can use arcane battery on the energizer slot? Was considering to use it so i could get an primary overcharge on his weapon

And nourish would supply the lacking energy too

[old marsh]

am i a making a mistake? i dont get it

[old marsh]

if u like using his 1 then sure but i like his stomp a LOT. its a really good CC

[velvet pulsar]

Is Hall of Malevolence really better than Total Eclipse?

[rose wedge]

Plus having innate viral stats and adding corrosive on the weapon, maybe building on the double dipping

[old marsh]

aah. u meant for THAT. ngl, i never compared. i have kept that mod on there for years

it just works

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[rose wedge]

Its been a while since i last used it tbh, but i loved its effect on bosses

And the 1 is to buff his iron skin due to the ironclad charge sindicate mod

[old marsh]

aah. that build. u can go for it. i never vibed with it so cant say

[rose wedge]

It get some good numbers if i use a nautilus to gather them

[rose wedge]

Alr, thanks for the help, even more on the mirage tho, because i have zero experience with her yet hehe

[old marsh]

for simplicity, keep 1 and 3 active at all times. subsume either over 2 or 4. enjoy whatever works for u

[inner raptor]

anyone with a phenmor build that doesnt hit like a wet noodle?

tested my burston against phenmor in descendia necramite oh boy oh boy my phenmor (and me obviously) skill issued

[undone dust]

the mites arent a very good test because im pretty sure they ignore devouring anyway

[wary gust]

I don’t think I’d need equilibrium rolling guard or adaptation as I’ll be gray health most of the time maybe use the gladiator mods further set bonus ?

[coral crest]

Necramites ignore almost everything

[wary gust]

Ok so I’m thinking when I FINALY get atlas prime a triple umbra set up rubble heap augment and I’m wanting to use arcane persistence and arcane avenger what else should I use

[inner raptor]

day after day i find DA more useless than ever

[wary gust]

Those message sent in the wrong order

[inner raptor]

the MS burston build did short work of them in my experience, acuity nah. Manage to almost one tap one with WA one that is low in the ground with kullervo

[solar reef]

equilibrium isnt for health

[coral crest]

You're not ready to hear about pre Vallis Undermind necramites

[solar reef]

its the best energy slot-in in warframe

[coral crest]

Shit the gif was corrupted

[wary gust]

Yeah true but I run zenarick so energy isn’t a problem

[chrome badge]

no naramon for infinite combo upkeep?

[deep sierra]

Hello 🙂

[hollow plover]

anything to change?

[deep sierra]

Is this a viable foundation to build upon? Is the investment in this direction worthwhile?

[old marsh]

u can drop the riven unless u wanna make it a viral riven with lower weighting

[deep sierra]

The riven is bad from the start, but i wonder is a the triple status + better fire rate is good for Hema

[old marsh]

4 status. with riven u can try to get even more. but be mindful of the status chance

u can swap speed trigger for primed shred. i personally dont like it

or vile acc if u want even more

[inner raptor]

Crux or debilitate?

[pallid hedge]

I am currently using follie's shadowgraph arc traps to kill enemies because I have no idea how to mod or which weapon to use. I just got the kuva nukor which I heard is good. It has electricity as a valency bonus btw. Can someone suggest me a good build please😭

[old marsh]

crux is good on it. ammo efficiency and 300+ SC on top of 120 from mods

in general, many adversary weapons love it. unlike incarnons that only get one of the two effects

[surreal bolt]

anyone has a kuva nukor mods they could share ? 😄 got a magnetic nukor wondering how efficiently should i mod it 😄

[fervent crescent]

blast and gas are good on the nukor, since it allows the damage to scale with enemy density

the best arcane for the kuva nukor is by far enervate, since the flat crit rate bypasses the bad base crit rate entirely

[quiet laurel]

gas is NOT the play on nukor 😭

[north wedge]

Does anyone else's weapons just randomly drop damage? Yhe total went from 900 on my Basmu to 600 when I entered the mod menu, with no changes, and it even shows it but I can't find anything to do about it

[quiet laurel]

visual bugs in the games modding UI plague this game

[mild prism]

Anyone know if voruna lycanth hunt works with sampotes shockwaves?

[quiet laurel]

in what way

like if they work on the melee kill part? yes

[north wedge]

Oh. Thank you!

[mild prism]

Yes

Hype

[quiet laurel]

unfortunate thing the sampotes suffers from is that the waves dont get affected by combo multiplier

[mild prism]

I’m gonna subsume it onto Vauban, with equilibrium and arcane blessing

[mild prism]

For real? Damn

[magic cargo]

hey guys i know wisp is a versatile frame but i need some tips on how to make a build for her

[quiet laurel]

str max with some duration, survive via either active shield gating or by just playing around her 2

her 2 is invis and invulnerability

[mild prism]

Well, on the bright side I’ve been running a combo mod for awhile so now I know I have a newly open slot

[quiet laurel]

what combo mod

[mild prism]

Galvanized reflex

[quiet laurel]

I honestly dont know if you run BR and WW on it so reflex might still be worth

[mild prism]

Huh?

[quiet laurel]

but I dont play sampotes enough to give advice on that

[mild prism]

Unfamiliar abbreviation

[quiet laurel]

blood rush, weeping wounds

[mild prism]

Ohhhhhh

I used blood rush for a bit, weeping wounds I do not have

[quiet laurel]

your best bet is just influence slop probably

so might as well run ww

[mild prism]

90% of my sampotes gameplay is just slams, its just a room clear anything that doesn’t die from it I use zarr on

[quiet laurel]

tho afflictions is also good with it

[rocky mason]

The waves on the tenet exec however, do get affected by combo multiplier

[mild prism]

Im cephalon syndicate

[rocky mason]

Gas afflictions with the sampotes is usually the way

[north wedge]

So uh..yall do damage?

[rocky mason]

Doesn't matter the syndicate, as long as you have holokeys and the mastery rank you can buy

[mild prism]

Ohhhh

Ok

I’ll try that weapon out when I can

[steady burrow]

anyone know how much plat u can get from proboscic cernos

[deep sierra]

Great, thanks for sharing ur build 🙂

[storm rain]

Is this a good build for for the hound companion?

[earnest saddle]

if you don't have null audit (the one for eximus) that's fine

momentous bond can also be used in place of synth deconstruct or animal instinct

[old marsh]

U can drop metal fiber for a shield mod. And plz upgrade vacuum
And if you have a frame with channeled ability then consider using seismic bond

I always make 2 builds. Channeled and Non-Channeled. Helps a lot to quickly switch between them

[naive hinge]

does titania prime has less energy consumption than normal titania ?

[solar reef]

no

Prime frames only have improvements on Health, Armor, Shield, Energy, or Movement Speed

[abstract axle]

only base stats change on primes.she has 40 more base energy, 30 more armor, and 95 health

[solar reef]

Titania’s one of those frames where her prime, performance wise, is identical to her base

theres no huge jump in energy like there is with Volt

the health and armor are negligable

[abstract axle]

volts a special case since the energy is double, but basically every other prime is more cosmetic than actually better.

[solar reef]

i wish there was a way to preface this to new players in-game

rather than having to explain to them here that prime frames aren’t much if any better than their base

Obviously not the case for weapons but

[abstract axle]

also, fun fact, for a long time, some primes were worse than their base form, since shields were a downside for a time

[naive hinge]

i just tought there are some cases like volt

[solar reef]

funny old shield gate tech
i also remember when some prime weapons were worse than their base, like Fang

[naive hinge]

cuz i have friends with titania and only me i have problem with her energy

[solar reef]

Volts just special because his energy count literally doubles

[naive hinge]

what 😂

[solar reef]

Titania shouldnt have any energy issues if you have a generic deconstruct+equilibrium companion

[storm rain]

Okay thanks for the suggestions

[solar reef]

you dont need to spam cast with her or anything

[abstract axle]

shield gating, when first introduced, only worked on a full shield reset and didn't care how much shield you had. So plus shield made it harder to shield gate

[solar reef]

You just hold your 1 for status immunity every 20-30 seconds
the only one energy drain she has is her exalted which is super managable

[naive hinge]

whats generic deconstruct

[solar reef]

[severe bough]

Synth deconstruct + equilibrium

[abstract axle]

synth deconstruct makes health orbs, equilibrium makes it energy

[naive hinge]

whats Synth decontruct ._.

[solar reef]

its why equilibrium is so good

its the best general slot-in for energy

any AOE companion like hound, diriga, or panzer basically sets a whoe tile up to drop orbs

[twilit crest]

Panzer too op

[solar reef]

the weakest companion i listed but yeah

its pretty good

[naive hinge]

i just got panzer with bite and tenacious should i get this too ?

[twilit crest]

It racks up so much kills on every profile i see

[solar reef]

it gets out dps’d by almost every other meta beast

its just that it looks cool and primes viral like crazy

[abstract axle]

I should also say. There is a bit of group theory with the equilibrium build. If people are building equilibrium and sources of orbs, then there will be an incredible number of orbs, so the build works better

[solar reef]

the best companion is easily the Hound

I just like how panzers look more so i use panzers

[twilit crest]

no1 uses hound

no resourceful retriever ye the playerbase is good

[solar reef]

The Hound is very popular

[twilit crest]

99% of the playerbase doesnt use hound

[midnight horizon]

Is grendel good for anything ?

[solar reef]

its the best primer companion in the game

[abstract axle]

"best" is relative. Its the strongest killer, but it doesn't really protect you and can't use retriever

[solar reef]

not having retriever is its only real negative

[twilit crest]

Good for subsuming to get nourish

[abstract axle]

grendel is lots of fun. His 4 build works to level cap

[twilit crest]

Yea thats like the biggest negative of all time

[solar reef]

infinitely scaling damage + super survivable

[midnight horizon]

Hmm nice nice

[abstract axle]

you can also just inject roar, and be a quality weapons platform w/ nourish

[solar reef]

Idk man I never use it to begin with unless i’m just that desparate for SPE

Which I rarely am since i get enough to cap Kuva weekly without it

i never find it a must

[abstract axle]

part of the issue is warframe is such a cranked game that you never need more combat juice, so looting efficiency trumps

[solar reef]

Part of the issue is warframe gets content once every 3 billion years so I never need resources or loot to begin with

its not just “combat juice” its literally tile wide priming of 4-5 status + the highest kpm companion to boot

If I didnt think they were ugly i’d probably use one

[pallid quiver]

hounds?

[dusty dragon]

is there a way to get "negative ammo efficiency" on a weapon? im trying to use necrophagic vigor on my coda hema and its taking so long to empty the clip

[solar reef]

you can get -magazine capacity from rivens

[dusty dragon]

i still want to keep my magazine size bc necrophagic vigor tho

[abstract axle]

closest thing you can do is build fire rate

[pure umbra]

Do you need to a primer for acolytes when playing valkyr?

[old marsh]

Why do that when u can have 2 fire rate mods lol

Primed shred and Vile Acc

Now enjoy higher DPS

U can not use Crux if u wanna empty your clip too fast but tbh, I prefer that over deadhead and merciless

[old marsh]

Not really. Unable to kill them?

[pure umbra]

Just have valkyr in the foundry baking rn so just wanted to know

[old marsh]

Aah. Don’t worry. U can also use the Valkyr augment that bumps up your dmg for a small period of time for her 4

Basically good for those cases when u want that boost for a quick hard kill

[pure umbra]

Ahh okay tysm!

[livid wadi]

Which mods are a must use if I'm running syam + truth flame + condition with influence

[wary forge]

Faction mod

[livid wadi]

Like which one?

[wary forge]

I wonder

[undone dust]

whatever faction you're fighting ✌️😭

[livid wadi]

Ah okay I forgot

Thought you were talking about syndicates

[wary forge]

Faction mods/roar triple dip melee influence and give your melee a multiplicative dmg boost to the faction

[dusty dragon]

pitch me some low precision necessary primaries

[abstract axle]

low precision? have you met the strun incarnon? the shotgun form is easy enough, but when it transforms, you are in the money. A massive projectile that literally isn't allowed to headshot. Shoot at crowds, or near them.

[dusty dragon]

forgot to mention, not incarnon would be appreciated. gonna be using it with elemental buffing frames

bc those dont affect incarnons for some reason

[livid wadi]

@wary forge what changes should I do if I don't have faction mods. Have some formas but not sure to waste them without knowing what am I going to use

[undone dust]

as in cyte, oraxia, and uriel? if not the rest of the other elemental buffers do affect incarnons

[abstract axle]

oh, the elemental ammo frames? you should try sobek then

acid shells is a house

[dusty dragon]

i havent taken a look at THAT in ages

[abstract axle]

Kuva sobek is almost a contender without acid shells, and the buff works on the shell damage itself, which lets you get chain kills.

[wary forge]

First of all don’t go gas go blast

[novel bear]

If you’re oneshotting blast is better than gas

And truth’s flame needs oneshots

[frigid crater]

What's the name of the " i hate Overguard " secondary mod?

[livid wadi]

Okay then

[dusty dragon]

fortifier

[frigid crater]

Oh yeah fortigoat

[novel bear]

Magnetic might

[frigid crater]

That's
Actually super based

[dusty dragon]

hows this look (progenitor is currently toxin)?

[wary forge]

That build is pretty fine besides not being blast just use 60/60 elec over focus and add melee elementalist or faction mod

[frigid crater]

Anyway, fortifier on mesa is a good QoL over " i love melee combos "?

[novel bear]

Fortifier is one of the best arcanes for mesa

[livid wadi]

Is worthy to go 60/60 over focus if I'm going heavy?

[novel bear]

The only real competition is outburst

[wary forge]

Yes

[livid wadi]

And elementalist over reflex?

[wary forge]

Especially since ur using a Tenokai mod heavy attack efficacy is less needed

[frigid crater]

Yeah outburst

[livid wadi]

Oh I see

[dusty dragon]

go blast with electric progenitor, or full blast?

[frigid crater]

Im thinking about getting the furax wraith for mesa

[novel bear]

Fortifier means you don’t need to build for survivability

[wary forge]

U add elementalist or the faction mod in the extra spot u have

Faction mod is more dps but u dont get the windupsepeed

So pick ur poison really

[livid wadi]

Which one should I use forma on? To make sure I don't have to waste another one in the future

[novel bear]

What frame are you using this on?

[livid wadi]

Excalibur though also have volt. I js don't really like volt besides the speed

[frigid crater]

Yeah 15k Overguard is really good

[magic cargo]

what is a good amp?

[wary forge]

Do another V forma

[frigid crater]

123

[wary forge]

Put killing blow in it and ye

https://overframe.gg/build/747677/syam/x5-syam-casual-influence-spam/

[livid wadi]

Don't have normal melee elementalist

[wary forge]

It’s like 10p

[abstract axle]

you'll need one for heavy spam

[frigid crater]

Maybe even neg plat

[livid wadi]

I don't have many excesses of plat

[abstract axle]

I have over a hundred. I can give you one if you are online

[livid wadi]

Sure ty

[abstract axle]

whats your ign?

[livid wadi]

marioseda23#623

[dusty dragon]

ok holy shit the external elemental buff goes nuts with acid shells

[scarlet sigil]

@violet silo Thoughts on what I'm missing? I see I'm missing a mod on my Laetum and Blood Rush isn't levelled up, but I'm kinda hastily throwing it together. Thought I'd see people on SP co-op, but I guess not.

[wary forge]

tri umbral no persistence

[violet silo]

excal needs a way to regain hp and arcane persistence if you're gonna hp tank

[scarlet sigil]

I don't know about getting rid of those Umbral slots, though. I'll swap Frames.

Not Dante, though. I use him too much.

[gray quarry]

Rank up vital sense and run either point strike or critical delay on nataruk

Laetum, do you have any forma spare?

[scarlet sigil]

No, I used the last one I had to make the Twin Krohkur.

[gray quarry]

Also drop streamline for excals chromatic blade augment

[scarlet sigil]

Right. Should be fine.

[gray quarry]

Oof

[scarlet sigil]

Right. Who else could I use...?

Voruna. She should be good for SP, right?

[scarlet sigil]

Well, I do need the Mastery.

[latent sluice]

Voruna is great for SP

[scarlet sigil]

Sweet! What's a no-Forma build I can go for?

[latent sluice]

hmm you may or may not need formas, it's very endgame-ish, but very flexible

[scarlet sigil]

Let's try the may not option. What've we got?

[latent sluice]

not at home so i'm posting through the companion app, but ice spring is super optional and can be replaced with pretty much anything, vigorous swap is also optional

arcanes are crepuscular and impetus

and i have roar subsumed on her 4

[scarlet sigil]

Which one's the Aura, sorry?

[latent sluice]

corrosive projection, and make sure you have a decent heavy spam melee

[scarlet sigil]

Ah, I see.

[gray quarry]

2nd one down

[scarlet sigil]

• Is regular Flow okay?
• I don't have Vigorous Swap. What can I swap it with?

[violet silo]

could force the health tank, it'll be hard tho

[latent sluice]

yes, and any range mod should do

i use this for level cap so anything base sp should be fine and dandy

[scarlet sigil]

Would you recommend Cunning Drift, Narrow Minded, or Stretch?

[latent sluice]

stretch probably, simple, you need as much range on her to inflict her status on as many enemies as you can

[scarlet sigil]

...wait, forgot. Can't have two Stretches on.

My bad.

[violet silo]

as for nataruk, take off all the elements and hunter munitions, upgrade vital sense and add crit chance, put on an electric or heat mod, whichever element looks cooler, as well as a status chance mod and hammer shot ig

[latent sluice]

in that case cunning drift lol lol, this def beats whatever my professor is yapping about

[scarlet sigil]

fax

[violet silo]

and here's a laetum build https://www.underframe.site/featured_builds/laetum-headshots

[scarlet sigil]

Corrosive Projection is on, but now there's a Polarity mismatch. Upgrading Mods is gonna add strain. I'll need Forma after all. I'd better crack some Relics later.

[scarlet sigil]

What's the difference between Underframe and Overframe?

[violet silo]

underframe is good

[latent sluice]

i'm assuming just more vetted because overframe is a disaster, only trustworthy source on overframe is ninjase

[scarlet sigil]

Damn you, Brave Search Engine...!

[latent sluice]

the overframe tierlists give me genuine nightmares

[violet silo]

underframe uses reliable, updated, and tested builds, anyone can make a build on overframe and the builds that get pushed are only based on votess

also underframe accounts for archon shards and has better statistics

[night laurel]

and they have a funky little dps calculator for if you really wanna agonize over what mod is best in slot for your given inventory

[latent sluice]

why is frost, oberon, caliban, and valk in the lowest tier

like who makes these and what are they on

[scarlet sigil]

• Don't have Galva Diffusion. Is Barrel Diffusion okay?
• No Primed Pistol mods. Regulars okay?
• No Accelerated Isotope or Pistol Pestilence. Replace or grind?

[gray quarry]

We don’t go by those

[versed harbor]

cuz its old, this is based on votes from ages ago before all of these frames got reworked

[latent sluice]

i'm aware, still feels like a stab in the chest to see these when i main all 4

[versed harbor]

:l

[solar reef]

it takes ratings from years ago into account

oberon used to generally be considered the worst warframe

so did caliban at one point

qorvex as well

hell ALL of them used to be the “worst” warframe

[latent sluice]

i don't think caliban was ever bad, it was just the sevagoth effect where people would bandwagon as soon as a frame got a prime

[solar reef]

Caliban was genuinely just bad until his rework

sevagoth was also pretty ass before his augments

[latent sluice]

fair, to each their own

one frame i barely see is garuda and i'm genuinely shocked considering how good she is

[solar reef]

but yeah dont run off of Overframe it takes builds/ratings from years ago

[scarlet sigil]

Gonna need Forma for that too. Shouldn't be too bad.

MODS GET THIS MAN

[solar reef]

shes just awkward and people dont like her playstyle

[gray quarry]

Found another <@&778745217037238293>

[latent sluice]

yup, i'm aware, i mentioned above how ninjase is the only trustworthy source

[latent sluice]

hard disagree, respectfully

[solar reef]

Just remember that Grendel, despite all of his positives, is both the 4th and 5th least used frame

[solar reef]

“hard disagree” with what

she IS awkward and YOU like her playstyle

[night laurel]

everybody just wants him for his nourish 💔💔💔💔💔 the world is so mean to grendel

[solar reef]

the majority playerbase does not

[mighty flare]

hahaha

release caliban

[latent sluice]

yeah that's why i said i disagree, calm down my guy it's not that serious

[solar reef]

thats not saying shes bad or anything

its just like

[scarlet sigil]

What melees are good heavy spammers? If it helps, I have a Kuva Shildeg with a Vice on.

[solar reef]

theres nothing there that should be disagreed with

You’re an outlier

and thats fine because shes great

[mighty flare]

voruna? theres suggestions in: https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1492606866482794601

[solar reef]

Voruna is the heavy spam platformer

[mighty flare]

asking for weapon names

[latent sluice]

would it make you feel better if i said i "personally" disagree

[solar reef]

no no i think you misunderstand what I said

You’re disagreeing with something that doesnt make sense to disagree with for the reason you are saying “disagree”

[gray quarry]

Yall arguing? Just go hit the conclave

[solar reef]

the statement was that people generally find her uncomfortable

[latent sluice]

we're all adults here, and yea don't worry i got you

[solar reef]

you are the outlier to that general which is why you enjoy her

like its not something to disagree with, because her usage numbers support that

[gray quarry]

Adults go into the conclave and duel

[fierce lark]

caliban lol

[latent sluice]

good point

[gray quarry]

10 paces typa duel

[latent sluice]

oh yeah i wasn't disagreeing with that, i was talking about her playstyle being awkward

[solar reef]

Calibans in a pretty sweet spot now though admittedly i still think his summons need proper enemy level scaling

[scarlet sigil]

Heavy Spam: Syam, Quassus Prime, Tak & Lug, Vastilok, Redeemer Prime, Falcor/Xoris, Coda Pathocyst, etc...
Luckily, I have some of those. Of that list, I don't have the Redeemer Prime (I have regular Redeemer, though), the Falcor, or the Coda Pathocyst - though I have the Caustacyst at L40.

[solar reef]

it is which is why the general majority doesnt enjoy her playstyle

[latent sluice]

AND hate

[gray quarry]

Sysm best weapon on that list

[scarlet sigil]

Don't have Hate, but I have Harmony.

[undone dust]

papa loves his quassus prime

[latent sluice]

i use syam on volt, genuinely insane numbers

[gray quarry]

Harmony is a good one for voruna too

[solar reef]

Its probably the best non-gimmick heavy spam weapon

[fierce lark]

oh there's sky i was going through all of my mentions to see wtf you changed your name to but apparently you haven't harrassed me in weeks

[fierce lark]

you're obsessed with garuda right

is garuda awkward

[scarlet sigil]

In that case, Syam, Harmony, Sarofang, or farm for an Adversary weapon?

[solar reef]

people who love the frame obviously wont find it awkward

[latent sluice]

So am i lol, i wouldn't call her awkward, she just very a tight gameplay loop

[undone dust]

no im obsessed with xaku you IDIOT

[gray quarry]

Prime enemy, heavy attack to pop like a balloon, watch room explode(idk if heavy attacking with harmony makes every status pop at once when spread

[rustic gazelle]

No you’re just using your abilities a lot

[undone dust]

the only thing awkward about garuda is jumping like air jordan before absolutely pulverizing an entire continent

[latent sluice]

she's a heavy caster, but in my opinion has the best ability synergy in the game, and will always be my beloved

[mighty flare]

syam

[fierce lark]

doesn't garuda have an exilus augment or smth that just says no to gravity

[undone dust]

no thats zephyr

wait

no hers disables hers

[fierce lark]

i swear garuda has an aug that does something that makes air things easier

[rustic gazelle]

🤤

[gray quarry]

Don’t think so

[latent sluice]

pretty much same thing i do yes

just set up your shot and nuke

[fierce lark]

oh nvm it's not an augment

it's the kavats grace mod that nobody uses that disables hard landings

[solar reef]

i’d also like to add that garuda becomes a little more common when you venture into level cap publics

theres a few warframes like that

[scarlet sigil]

Got it. Now I just need a good build for that and a crapload of Forma for the Nataruk and Laetum, plus levelling Laetum's Incarnon form.

[gray quarry]

Couldn’t remember if bloodletting was 2 or 3, so I thought you subsumed over bloodletting

[undone dust]

isnt it an exilus? i do not remember

[latent sluice]

no you subsume her 2

[rustic gazelle]

Bloodletting is 3 and it’s her energy sustain
You subsume over 2 which is her healing that isn’t that great

She uses abilities constantly so your survivability is literally just killing shit

[fierce lark]

it is yeah

[latent sluice]

I think every warframe is capable of achieving level cap (to varying degrees of success), that's been my goal for a while now, to take every frame into the game to level cap

[fierce lark]

if you subsume over bloodletting your entire family has a warm pillow on both sides until you fix it

[solar reef]

wanst my point but yes

I was just saying that garuda specifically becomes more common amongst players when you do level cap

[latent sluice]

yup i got you

[fierce lark]

every warframe is capable of achieving levelcap because weapons exist and multiple forms of ignoring damage exist

it's not really anything special to get to lvlcap on every frame

[scarlet sigil]

Am I dumb or is there nothing for Syam on Underframe?

[solar reef]

a few other frames like (formerly)voruna or loki are other examples

oberon too

[latent sluice]

i mean... yeah? but it's still a fun thing to do

[violet silo]

shit site shit list

[latent sluice]

test the endurance with relying on mainly weapons for priming like the glaxion, cedo, epitaph

[latent sluice]

indeed

[violet silo]

1. for now
2. yea
3. grind, both are easy.

[dusky bane]

try this I guess

[violet silo]

thats the downside. use ninjase for this

[white vault]

DONT GO TO OVERFRAME IF YOU WANT TO HAVE FUN!!!!!

[latent sluice]

yeah @scarlet sigil, ninjase is the best and only source to go to on overframe

[latent sluice]

yeah their builds are 99% awful

[white vault]

I'll tell you that I've outnuked most of their S-tier frames with my valkyr. There are no "tier lists" for frames

[dusky bane]

not only, but sure

[dusky bane]

ye, tier lists for this game suck

horrendously

[white vault]

with weapons there is a sort of objective truth to it because some weapons are blatantly better for things than others.

[latent sluice]

i'm sure there are others, but i trust ninjase the most

[white vault]

It's like comparing the bolto to the kuva nukor

[solar reef]

You have rifle a, b, and c, they all act the same, one just happens to have better numbers

[undone dust]

ntrophy my beloed

[white vault]

Like with weapons there's SOME sort of definition, but warframes are dependent on the amount of autism, obsession, or interest in the frame and the game.

[latent sluice]

tier lists are the worst baby tenno clickbait ever, i'm looking at you MHBlacky.

[white vault]

Yo MHBlacky needs to get off YT and stop posting. Yes this is slander. Tier Lists for Warframes are dumb as hell.

[scarlet sigil]

Alright, need Condition Overload, an Exilus Adapter, Galva Reflex (using Reflex Coil rn), Volcanic Edge, Voltaic Edge, an Arcane Adapter, and a Catalyst.

[latent sluice]

MHBlacky needs to explode, genuinely hate his content

[dusky bane]

exilus is the least important thing

[white vault]

I can hand u a condition overload I think

[solar reef]

like obviously this doesnt apply to weapons wiyh unique gimmicks but 90% of the weaapons in warframe have identical weapons in function that are just objectively better

[white vault]

I think i have an extra lemme check

[violet silo]

look at secondaries for example, apparently pyrana prime > tenet plinx, onos, sicarus, zylok, prisma angstrum, lato, lex, atomos.

[solar reef]

CO is an absolute must on syam

[scarlet sigil]

Thanks, but I wanna see if I can find it first. Where's the drop again?

[dusky bane]

ye, their list doesn't update, so things that got incarnons stay low, while guns that used to be good stay high
though, to be fair
pyrana's dope

[solar reef]

Its projectiles are multiCO

[white vault]

I've also seen Cedo in S-tier. Cedo is so buns as it's damage is so inconsistent. Fun gun tho.

[dusky bane]

it's a 0.03% drop from some random infested or something insanely stupid like that

[white vault]

Somewhere in deimos I think.

[latent sluice]

I think what makes cedo so good is the glaive for priming, that's pretty much it

[undone dust]

cedo
buns
huh

[dusky bane]

it's a good gun, but def not THAT good

[latent sluice]

damage is decent though, idk about it being inconsistent

[violet silo]

exactly.

[solar reef]

self priming shotgun with built in aptitude makes it an absolute champ for steel path ad clear

[violet silo]

uh... no.

[solar reef]

you should know full and well that Tierlists are made by base steel path goblins

but it does scale pretty well into level cap content

[fierce lark]

cedo prime is one of the strongest primary weapons in the game lol

[solar reef]

its really damn god

[scarlet sigil]

Found it. Basal Diploid and Diploid Rex, Deimos Carnis, Jugulus, Thrasher, and Saxum, Drekar Butcher, Feral Diploid and Diploid Rex, Kuva Bombard, and non-Deimos Thrasher. Whoopee.

[violet silo]

cedo may be inconsistent but it is consistently more than enough

[dusky bane]

ye, just trade for it

[dusky bane]

eh, that's overselling it a bit

it's good
that's about it

[latent sluice]

felarx is pretty fun

[white vault]

I spent plat on that thing for nothing.

[fierce lark]

it's in my top 10 for primaries

[solar reef]

the only primaries that really outperform it are incarnons and a few choice multiCO weapons

[dusky bane]

that's absolutely overselling it

[fierce lark]

not top 5 primaries, top 5 shotguns xd

[scarlet sigil]

Well, I gotta do Deimos stuff anyways - Kill It With Fire and Bug Out Ride - so I'll trade if I don't get it by then.

[white vault]

Top 5 shotguns is fair tho.

[fierce lark]

i would only rank the strun & boar above it

[solar reef]

my favorite primary is stahlta

[dusky bane]

honestly?
even that's debatable IMO

[white vault]

It's not the worst weapon it's just kinda ass when my weapon choices are probs objectively skewed.

[white vault]

Sobek.

[latent sluice]

stug is the only correct answer

[dusky bane]

felarx? bassocyst? both beat it imo
debatably even stuff like phantasma/convectrix
I'd put it in sixth, sharing the spot with exergis and tenet arca

[fierce lark]

sobek is mid unless it's being used on specific frames with acid shells

[dusky bane]

I can't rate sobek highly when it's only good on 3 frames

[latent sluice]

absolutely yes

[dusky bane]

so sobek 7th place imo

[violet silo]

sobek is a B tier weapon without one of its frames, doesnt count

[violet silo]

thats a fair one

[white vault]

Lowk find it good on most of my frames and I legit js do not use Saryn or Cyte.

[latent sluice]

acid shells brings it up so much, that mod is insane

[fierce lark]

i think the felarx is ass tbh

[dusky bane]

wild take

[chrome badge]

Unholy take

[white vault]

I don't get an opinion on this one I've yet to use the Felarx

[fierce lark]

out of the list of top shotguns, i hate the felarx

[dusky bane]

felarx outperforms the cedo in just about everything

[latent sluice]

i just crashed my car on purpose because you said that

[white vault]

Playstyle preference?

[violet silo]

like we can account for sobek on its framess but we have to account for generic sobek

[white vault]

Damn whole house mad

[fierce lark]

it doesn't outperform it in reloads per second

[chrome badge]

Ong

[dusky bane]

it has an evo that fully reloads it in I think under 2 seconds if you swap to secondary/melee

[white vault]

So shocking 😭

[chrome badge]

Yep

[undone dust]

felarx and exergis are definitely my favorite shotguns

[white vault]

Woah that's so impactful

[latent sluice]

yall wanna hear an unpopular opinion? i genuinely hate gauss

[fierce lark]

yeah but anything that mandates quickswapping to be good just disqualifies it imo

[chrome badge]

Same

[white vault]

Ya know what, fair.

[dusky bane]

EXACTLY 2 seconds

[white vault]

I fear he is overglazed imo

[dusky bane]

you never swap weapons during playing?
like so many good melee/secondaries

[latent sluice]

Titania, gauss, and revenant are my least favorite frames in the game

[white vault]

How are you not swapping weapons.

[dusky bane]

any exergis enjoyer gets my respect

[undone dust]

im pretty sure it has multi gun co so you can quickswap to prime enemies while it reloads

[undone dust]

i love you bro

[dusky bane]

it absolutely does

in both modes of fire btw

[white vault]

You'll hate me but Revenant lowk goated for when we need him (EDA/ETA/Netracells)

[fierce lark]

we're at a point in warframe's powercreep where enough weapons don't require thinking to wipe everything onscreen

so if your weapon's functionality is tied to doing more than "shoot" it loses some points imo

[dusky bane]

also I genuinely use felarx as "dump mag, go incarnon, repeat"

[white vault]

Titania is annoying to play with randoms.

[latent sluice]

i manage just fine without him

[dusky bane]

so cedo loses points cause it has to altfire?

[fierce lark]

i do too because it's infinitely less annoying but then everyone tells me incarnon sucks

[dusky bane]

I forgot bubonico
yeah, cedo ain't top 5

[white vault]

See I don't want to take damage at all and just get my shards and screw off

[white vault]

Bubonico my glorious king

i've only used you in duviri because I refuse to do invasions

[undone dust]

doesnt swapping into incarnon also let you overstack the fire rate evo?

[dusky bane]

coda bubonico is so fun

[fierce lark]

to some extent, but altfiring once every few seconds is a lot less effort than switching weapons constantly

[latent sluice]

fair i can say that revenant is good for when you just wanna shut your brain off and be lazy, but arguing that he's remotely fun? sorry you're on something

[fierce lark]

plus even the primary fire self-primes and it does so much damage even with just 3-4 statuses that you could ignore the altfire entirely

[undone dust]

one button compared to one button

[dusky bane]

only way to have fun with revenant is using reave

and that's his helminth

[undone dust]

spin!! spin!!

[fierce lark]

well my one button comes with a multico bonk so bite me

[dusky bane]

idk, I'm not a fan of the spin

[chrome badge]

Only way to have fun with revenant is to fashion him

[undone dust]

true..

[dusky bane]

I'd rather prism guard mirage

[dusky bane]

weren't we comparing to cedo?

[undone dust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1145515475875397662/1257690673906319452/togif-4.gif?width=325&height=600

[violet silo]

top 10 shotguns imo, time to get people mad:

1. Boar
2. Strun
3. Felarx
4. Bassocyst
5. Bubonico
6. Cedo
7. TAP
8. Phantasma
9. Sobek (accounting for both acid shells and generic combined)
10. idk hek or something

[fierce lark]

yes, the altfire is multico on impact lol

[latent sluice]

also i've never managed to make wisp work for me, idk what i'm doing wrong with her, i might come to you guys for build suggestions later

[dusky bane]

lowkey 90% of my playtime lately is just fashioning

[dusky bane]

oh, all 3 points of damage have multico?
wild

[mental night]

rq, drop your AX-52 builds, cant figure out why this is so good

[fierce lark]

doesn't do enough damage to matter but still funny

[chrome badge]

Lowkey? Frigid take

[fierce lark]

the explosion on it has no co scaling like everything else iirc, but the bonk itself is multi

[undone dust]

put exergis in there and then we'll talk

[violet silo]

people can and often will still complain tho

[dusky bane]

coda bubonico clears cedo I'm sorry

[chrome badge]

Im not

[fierce lark]

also since it was mentioned im pretty sure the convectrix is kinda mid but just funny for lower lvl perma mouse1 content

[chrome badge]

No

Convectrix is underrated in sp

[fierce lark]

oh yeah i haven't played since booba so that's probably better too

[violet silo]

the only time I've played exergis is in sneaky sabotage, couldnt tell you

[dusky bane]

it's a phantasma sidegrade

[undone dust]

something about xatas/magnetize exergis makes my brain tickle
so it is automatically one of my go-tos when i must play xaku (all the time)

[violet silo]

might be better than hek

[dusky bane]

highly recommend blast exergis
it's stupid fun

[fierce lark]

eh i dont think phantasma was ever that good either but i also haven't bothered to try it

[undone dust]

it pisses out slash that is it

[chrome badge]

I love applying 2k stacks of slash on an enemy and see them just die

[latent sluice]

also what's better, braton prime or vandal to throw my incarnon on?

[chrome badge]

Even better on nezha

But thats nezha

[fierce lark]

prime is slightly better but vandal has drip

[violet silo]

okay, I'll put it at 5

[fierce lark]

actually they severely nerfed eso farms so braton vandal isn't nearly as cool

[undone dust]

crux spam with blast exergis ✌️🤤

[chrome badge]

A Tenno of distinction, are we?

[violet silo]

what makes exergis so good

[dusky bane]

IMO in order
strun, boar, felarx, bubonico, basso, exergis/cedo, phantasma/convectrix/phage (lowkey swappable with previous couple), plasmor, no point in continuing
I desperately want corinth and astilla to be good and I'm looking forward to tigris

[chrome badge]

Highest base dmg i think of all shotguns?

[undone dust]

multi gun co, shit ton of pellets and status, awesome and sexy, and a few other things

[fierce lark]

3x36 base status chance is pretty wild

[dusky bane]

it just feels good
and it literally shoots a crystal with energy turning it into shrapnel
it's just fun asf

[fierce lark]

but i imagine you have to be willing to max primed magazine pump for it to be anywhere close to usable lol

[chrome badge]

No?

Crux meta

[undone dust]

you can honestly just use crux and shotgun elementalist and be fine lmao

[fierce lark]

does elementalist actually add a bullet to a 1 size mag

[undone dust]

yes

[fierce lark]

funny

[undone dust]

makes it 2

[dusky bane]

don't have to max, I think R6 is enough for 2 rounds

[fierce lark]

mag pump is the reload speed one

i think

[undone dust]

ammo stock is magazine

mag pump is reload

[fierce lark]

mag pump is also not something you should search into google

[hallow pewter]

Hey so I'm using this weapon in my chroma prime and i was wandering for a better build for it and if I should look for a riven for it this is my current build on it

[violet silo]

debilitate

[undone dust]

oh im pumping it so good

[dusky bane]

I expected worse

[fierce lark]

psure phantasma prime has the worst dispo known to man

[dusky bane]

if you want a riven, use base

[solar reef]

0.8

[mighty flare]

you do Elementalist + crux then chilling reload for viral + rs
viral electric chill

[solar reef]

not great, not the worst though

[undone dust]

god i should KILL you we love blast here IDIOT

[solar reef]

base phantasmas only at 1.1

[fierce lark]

tf does vicious spread do again

[dusky bane]

seeing the prime only buffed the worthless crit stats, that still wins out

[dusky bane]

nothing useful

[undone dust]

+dmg and +spread

[primal bane]

Hai :3 my Follie build is based completely on getting her clone at max range and using death orb and enkaus to just sit around her ink. I’m currently using Molt Augmented (for more strength for roar) and Arcane Acceleration (for my enkaus). However I recently came across Arcane Universal Fallout and want to add it to my build bc of the death orb. Which arcane should I remove for it? Molt Augmented or Arcane Acceleration?

[undone dust]

shitty amount of damage though (its either 60 or 90)

[dusky bane]

90 dmg -60 acc

[velvet pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-how-do-we-kill-him-kill-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-16173908663927160281

[mighty flare]

oh fallout

you dont need it on follie

[undone dust]

well of DEATH

[chrome badge]

None of her abilities do radiation except the orb

[mighty flare]

high range clone alr generates lots of orbs

[fierce lark]

delet spread and use fire rate instead

[velvet pulsar]

Manifold Bond also procs it

[chrome badge]

Oh true

I need to use fallout more then

[hallow pewter]

The mod is not that bad on the weapon more radius for it

[mighty flare]

high range clone already generates lots of orbs, dont need fallout, its a wasted on follie

[dusky bane]

that's completely worthless

and you don't have the mod space to waste it on -acc

[chrome badge]

Indeed

[velvet pulsar]

2 consecutive comments in builds channel with "wasted" then "worthless" word usage

[willow marten]

Is this a good Hate build or nah? Saw it in a video.

[mighty flare]

yes

[velvet pulsar]

Dark hour

[mighty flare]

fallout is wasted on follie who poops out orbs constantly, esp with high range
death orb doesnt even prime rad that well either

[hallow pewter]

Then what options you give to replace it

[dusky bane]

depends on the gun

[fierce lark]

fire rate

shotgun barrage, magnetic strafe

something to make shooty faster

[velvet pulsar]

Vicious Spread doesn't affect Tenet Arca Plasmor's accuracy

Does it affect bassocyst's alt fire somehow other than dmg?

[fierce lark]

first source of shooty faster > 4th source of base damage

[undone dust]

im pretty sure it doesnt affect phantasma's either because its a beam but i could be wrong
either way bad mod use blaze instead like a true man

[dusky bane]

lowkey blaze is a waste of plat

[undone dust]

good thing i grinded it 🤤

[dusky bane]

diabolical

[fierce lark]

lol you don't grind blaze

you get 70 of them while you grind hammer shot

[undone dust]

actually surprisingly i got it within 3 nightmares LMAO

and then did another 50 for HS

[dusky bane]

I farmed nightmares for 3 weeks for hammer shot
got NOTHING, gave up, bought it
never got blaze

[undone dust]

i only use blaze on exergis anyway

[fierce lark]

i need to study hammer shot more

and figure out why it's so expensive

im convinced it's because of content creators/overframeslop

[undone dust]

because it's a 1% drop chance in a pool of like a shit ton other mods

[dusky bane]

1% drop that you can attempt 12 times a day
I wonder why

[fierce lark]

so is blaze

[undone dust]

LMAO

[dusky bane]

it's also decently useful, unlike blaze

[chrome badge]

blaze is ass

[undone dust]

HS is just a better mod

[fierce lark]

idk i think hs is also ass lol

[undone dust]

bro hates cd and sc

[chrome badge]

HS gives like what the 2nd highest amount of critt dmg

[fierce lark]

3rd, bladed rounds is still better

[dusky bane]

it's not useful on every gun, but it's solid on quite a few

[undone dust]

little chud man over here using bladed rounds

if i have to aim for my cd i would rather DIE

[fierce lark]

idk i always aim when im shooting anyways, doesn't change much

gscope bis

im still waiting for galvanized laser

and im going to piss whine and cry until it happens

[undone dust]

can you do the first part on me

[fierce lark]

what

[chrome badge]

what

[dusky bane]

galvanized cope

[undone dust]

what

[chrome badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420749180674113577/1496932954759499846/image0.gif

[undone dust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/408207400395472906/1063979806997360750/caption.gif

[modest vector]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-pet-cat-pat-cat-petting-petting-cat-gif-88141326984537530

[fierce lark]

stop petting him for that nonsense

[chrome badge]

he likes it

[dusky bane]

https://tenor.com/view/unspeakable-violence-unspeakable-violence-gif-25206571

[undone dust]

im waiting

[chrome badge]

https://tenor.com/view/happycadogt-bang-pow-shooting-firing-gif-11168675231868030801

[undone dust]

https://tenor.com/view/deadlock-viscous-belly-valve-deadlockgame-gif-7730643635686756458

[fierce lark]

https://klipy.com/gifs/robot-chicken-toilet--k01KPXX2QV0HH1G8NE2AY1QW3DW

[wary forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1363724808382054520/1495241745900769291/RainbowGlorpass.gif

[velvet pulsar]

Aight, I'm definitely asleep by now, coz this is a nightmare

[undone dust]

nightmare? like nightmare mission? like hammer shot?

[velvet pulsar]

Might as well close my eyes.
C ya.

[chrome badge]

nightmare like nightmare tatters like follie's jelly rolls

[gray quarry]

Blaze is 6060 for pistols?

[dusky bane]

blaze is 60 damage 60 heat for shotties

[gray quarry]

Ah for shotties, eh might be useful on some shotties

Cedo comes to mind

[dusky bane]

hardly

[midnight horizon]

Can anyone give me a ggood build for grendel i am currently using acceltra for him and i am real bad at builds

[dusky bane]

https://overframe.gg/build/547930/

[gray quarry]

Arcane persistence, you’re welcome

[midnight horizon]

well

[midnight horizon]

is this one just a tanky one where i eat ?

or is it good for weapons as well

[frigid crater]

I swear there was a primary that helped mesa with her regulators

[weary frigate]

The kullevo's shotgun when used with outburst?

[frigid crater]

Apparently its Afentis

[fierce lark]

both are true

[fierce lark]

every grendel build is good for weapons, he comes with nourish and may subsume roar over 3/4

[midnight horizon]

oh

[prime scarab]

Ninjase seems to suggest Atlas only really works in solo content. This true in people's experience?

[fierce lark]

unnerfed nourish is 75% base viral buff

[midnight horizon]

well that is pretty nice

[prime scarab]

Str to 134, armor to 700 without eating, nourish and regurge augs.

[fierce lark]

probably because if other people kill things you don't get to stack rubble, would be my guess

[prime scarab]

The rest is comfort.

[midnight horizon]

is this one not good ?

[prime scarab]

Hunter Adrenaline is dope

[dusky bane]

it's fine

[prime scarab]

uh

Idk that I'd run energy siphonbut otherwise looks fine

[dusky bane]

it's a build aimed at newer players, which you seem to be

[prime scarab]

He's pretty wide open on aura tbh

Doesn't really demand any of them

[midnight horizon]

Okay that is nice

[prime scarab]

I hate adaptation too

[fierce lark]

energy siphon is a great aura for new players

[hollow scarab]

how do you use nova's 2. her kit is kinda self explanatory but her 2 always eludes me

[dusky bane]

tbh you don't

[prime scarab]

I guess but it doesn't really do much on grendel when nourish fills you on every enemy hit anyway

Tho I guess new players arent strategically letting themselves get hit

[fierce lark]

nourish doesn't give you energy, it multiplies all other sources of energy gain

[prime scarab]

Right but hunter adrenaline

[fierce lark]

oh yeah that's fair

[hollow scarab]

but like what does it do

[fierce lark]

but yeah that does involve intentionally letting enemies hit you which is slow

[prime scarab]

I guess its easier on sp

low stuff wont be dense enough

[fierce lark]

you will not run this build on sp

ideally once you get to sp you have some better mods

[prime scarab]

I mean the regen energy through damage is easier on sp

[dusky bane]

creates a ball
you shoot ball, ball stores damage
when ball explodes, it releases damage
it's inconvenient to use and not actually that strong

[fierce lark]

also this build is a little outdated, you get equilibrium for free now

[prime scarab]

I run battery over flow too but dude probably doesn't have battery if he's new

[fierce lark]

by the time you're in sp you hopefully are able to get synth deconstruct and you have a decent ocmpanion

[hollow scarab]

so a worse mag hold 2?

[fierce lark]

tbh if you have molt aug you either bought it or you have steel path unlocked

so like yeah you could probably take this into sp

[dusky bane]

maug and SP aren't connected tbf

[prime scarab]

talkin bout grendel

[fierce lark]

they kinda are? you unlock them both at the same time (after new war)

[prime scarab]

oh nvm i misunderstood