builds-discussion

[magic crescent]

Alright, better question then, what does strength affect for day form

Besides rage and provoke

[versed harbor]

basically just 2 and 3 but most ppl dont use 2

[magic crescent]

Yea i noticed 2 and 1 go unused

[versed harbor]

usually overkill nowadays but its a good dmg buff if u need it

[dusky bane]

that's a build...

[mighty pelican]

reach for maximum tau status dishing out

youll have 99.6% status chance when elementalists condition is maxed so pretty much guranteed tau status on all hits

[dusky bane]

bro forgot weeping wounds exists

[mighty pelican]

you cant apply more than one tau at once

[dusky bane]

more than 100% SC is still good

[mighty pelican]

and taus entire purpose is increasing the amount of status you apply

[old marsh]

Interesting no WW given it’s passive

Like it’s whole stick is based around status

[mighty pelican]

you cant apply more than one tau at once, then with tau applied youll max out stacks in just a few more attacks

[versed harbor]

also voltaic isnt rly worth

[mighty pelican]

yeah you can replace voltaic with weeping wounds i just had it for the arcane

[old marsh]

Real question is how is it against lvl cap heavy gunners that have like millions of HP

[mighty pelican]

incision will pick the best status for you already

[unborn summit]

I'm building Grakata and Mire

[mighty pelican]

i dont play level cap bro 😭

level cap is played by a tiny percentage of the game

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-wriotags-gif-3084011263963247857

[old marsh]

Mr fodder

[old marsh]

*playerbase

[dusky bane]

underwhelming I'd assume

[mighty pelican]

also note; while tau status wont be spread with influence, the status sentient incision applies SHOULD be, although i need to test it more

so with reach you can apply tau to more enemies, which then recieve multiple stacks from influence of potentially multiple different status of incision

[old marsh]

So there is a very hard modifier in EDA/ETA that sucks against Melees. Which only gives u 5% of your actual dmg on non-headshots. That’s usually my aim. And that’s something u can build for by taking lvl cap as reference.

That being said, looks like Venato won’t be anything special. Just gotta swap out VS with augment

[versed harbor]

does look cool tho

[old marsh]

All Scythes r imo

Altho i wish some stance combos were better

[mighty pelican]

ok can gurantee now, incision does work on influence

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-evil-chihuahua-twt-memes-dog-gif-2124557923355771903

Now we talking

[mighty pelican]

testing now if you can apply multiple status from factions with multiple vulnerabilities or multiple faction enemies

[old marsh]

On a similar note, hate that Velox got shafted. DE made it a lame stat stick

It’s still better than what Simulor got but way worse than most NW augments

[old marsh]

Good stuff. Mine should be built today so gonna test it out on ETA

[mighty pelican]

also WW is less needed since incision lets you go for a crit build that will mow through most enemies making having high status stacks inefficient

idk about lvl cap but i assume condition overload is more important than the same status with many stacks

[versed harbor]

I get what ur saying but WW is defo gonna be better than organ shatter here

since u have galv steel slotted

[mighty pelican]

my personal build uses a riven with range and speed over organ shatter

[old marsh]

Or just use shards

[mighty pelican]

just slotted that in to share the build i came up with

[versed harbor]

lowest possible riven dispo mod vs 440% status chance

[old marsh]

1 tau purple is almost OS

[mighty pelican]

im gonna be honest, i played an hour long SP conj survival mission with that build and the only enemy that survived for more than 1-2 seconds from it were acolytes

those 3 extra status stacks are not doing much

[dusky bane]

They absolutely are

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[mighty pelican]

but yeah it would be worth going for, i however prefer the range

tau status is the replacement

[dusky bane]

You keep the range

Put augment over the faction/flex slot

[mighty pelican]

oh yeah true my elementalist is useless in my case

yeah putting WW there instead

[old marsh]

That riven is so unreal 65% AS and only 100% CD

[dusky bane]

It's just an example

[old marsh]

I know. That’s why it’s funny

[mighty pelican]

for being called light attack spam, why isnt it picking truths flame instead?

[dusky bane]

Cause Truth's flame sucks

And the pic was made before that existed as well

[mighty pelican]

oh i thought that build included incision already lol

what makes it suck? the curse?

[dusky bane]

Downside is too steep for the benefit

[mighty pelican]

if so, fair, but also i like the greed management

[dusky bane]

Discipline's gets you basically the same benefit at no cost

[mighty pelican]

free gas if you dont heavy attack at all

or just, make sure you can kill with it

i prefer flame since using melee is as easy as it gets and it adds a little challenge to it

[solar reef]

truths flame is exclusively good on weapons you can mindlessly heavy spam and hit targets without worry, such as Syam or Corufell

its so overrated

90% of those cases i’d still rather just use Dispatch Overdrive

[wary forge]

Tenokai mods in general are pretty mid they are just good on incarnons since u can activate the incarnon without losing any combo most light attack spam melee builds don’t need the benefits from Tenokai it’s more just like qol then anything

[solar reef]

id argue being able to do 15-20 million damage after 4 attacks without losing combo is pretty huge in level cap content

i can see why it would be so-so in base steel path

regardless, doesnt affect me since I only heavy spam

Dispatch Overdrive my beloved

[wary forge]

If you’re using any incanron melee at cap and its built right you just dont need that dmg

[solar reef]

“if you use hyper optimized setups on the literal best weapons in the game…”

theres like 100+ melee weapons

I’m not just gonna use Bo and Nami Solo incarnon

dont pretend that the damage isnt a big deal

like disciplines merit it literally just a free 10+ million damage attack every few seconds

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-pet-cat-pat-cat-petting-petting-cat-gif-88141326984537530

[wary forge]

Everything dies before u can even hit something with it tho

[solar reef]

your generic crabsweat influence weapon isnt just one shotting everything at that point

[wary forge]

It is tho

[solar reef]

with nami or bo? sure

[dusky bane]

ye, cause okina exists

[wary forge]

Samplers durr

[solar reef]

has the careen hype died down or are we still using it on okina

are we back to influence yet

[wary forge]

People still glazing careen

Say a chroma build with cold element and careen

Was literally the worst thing I’ve ever seen in my life

[dusky bane]

careen is a meme, but it's at least funny and different

[solar reef]

i still havent tested if it interacts with harrow’s 1

like does it work like Ice Storm

or does it actually need cold frozen

[wary forge]

Like cold is a good status just you’re killing everything before they get 10 stacks and are frozen

[solar reef]

have you read the arcane

you dont have to appply any stacks

[wary forge]

Yes I’m just like sayin in general

[dusky bane]

like careen okina shivering contagion is def funny
and at least it's creative

[solar reef]

obviously it was made to be paired with circumvent

i just also dont like circumvent

[viscid bane]

Can somebody explain me the math behind this? When I add galv scope it only improves CC by less then 2%

[wary forge]

circumvent another heavily glazed arcane for some reason

[ionic marsh]

Hi, can someone recommend me a beginner Nautilus Prime/Verglas Prime build?

[dusky bane]

it doesn't account for the conditional

[wary forge]

just vital sense

but yes it doesnt count for the conditional

[viscid bane]

Ah yes, I am just a bit stupid you see

[civic shore]

Guys is there a LAvos expert in the chat iam new player i need guidance

[wary forge]

its just called using valence formatiion

[civic shore]

i wish i had that kind of brain to make builds out of one word , i dont understand a lot of it

[wary forge]

just gives what ever elemental to your gun based on what ur 4 is

[viscid bane]

Basically this

[civic shore]

other mods?

[dusky bane]

duration and strength, plus subsume over the cold ability iirc

https://overframe.gg/build/816068/

[viscid bane]

Strength+duration, keep range neutral or slightly positive

[civic shore]

is these a no helminth build?

[dusky bane]

the same one, I guess
it's just worse

[noble berry]

Lavos' other mod is for his bite. I main lavos but don't use that one. For Lavos, I recommend the archon mods from the garrison. I have my Lavos built for armor and strength. Helminth messes with his elements

[wary forge]

just dont use a helmith

[viscid bane]

Same thing, subsuming is optional for him

[gray quarry]

I’ll never get passed knightmare frame helminthing off lavos’s 4 with nourish, iirc it was his 4

[noble berry]

Most build Lavos for strength and duration. Duration and efficiency play different on Lavos due to his lack of energy, as Duration increases his status duration and efficiency affects the cooldown of his 1 and 3.

[heady notch]

can anyone suggest a torid build to use with gauss?

[noble berry]

The Valence Formation mod is a bit interesting as it doesn't stack with your weapon's elements, but is applied alongside. However, it does use the weapon's damage at 200% as listed. The orange Archon Mods play expertly well on Lavos and just grant boons to the elements.

If you build him for armor, you can tank a TON of damage and last as long as Rhinos can. If you have the Primary Bulwark arcane, you can get STUPID damage on primaries/archguns on an armored build. Also, ALWAYS use his 3 (Probe) so you can generate universal ammo drops and mixed HP/energy orbs for everyone. Also note Lavos makes grounded Archgun use effectively infinite with the universal ammos, AND the Valance Formation mod affects the archguns too.

[hallow pewter]

question is the life steal from gloom increases with ability strength ?

[dusky bane]

I believe so

[split zephyr]

Is this a good Sun & Moon build? (Please ignore that idiot past me spent an umbra forma without checking if it was a good idea)

[dusky bane]

Not ideal, no

Aim for something like this

[karmic badger]

Any IPS should basically be never used in 99% of situations because they scale off of their own damage type instead of the overall damage of the weapon

And sacrificial steel can be decent if you it purple shards for crit damage

Otherwise galvanized steel is better

Also relentless combination is garbage, you can build combo incredibly fast at default

[viscid bane]

Is magnetic the go-to progenitorfor Grattler?

[wary forge]

Yes

[karmic badger]

Magnetic is nowadays the best option unless you're planning a specific build

[viscid bane]

So I finally get -cc on my laetum riven in almost 180 rolls and it's this BS

[charred gale]

crit laetum cooler anyways

[naive folio]

https://youtu.be/muyRcQGXUrg
i got a pretty good build if i do say so my self
what do you think of it

[quiet laurel]

looks like a pretty standard gauss build ye

[naive folio]

never been able to kill them that fast is all love this frame

[quiet laurel]

xata + blast + influence is one of the best trash clearers in the game

[wary forge]

Phantasma is a nice primer as well

[stark patio]

guys do you have a nuker build for gyre?

[sharp portal]

Any build for Mag Prime?

[fierce lark]

it's also just better, and -cc neg isn't that good on noncrit to begin with

[midnight crown]

Guys, which of the tauron strikes should i choose?

[wary forge]

Depends on what focus school u use they all do the same dmg

[midnight crown]

so you could only use the tauron strike when you use the exact same focus school?

[wary forge]

Yes

[fierce lark]

nidri

and not necessarily

[wary forge]

You can only the vazarin strike on vazarin

[midnight crown]

cause i want to put on antique mods for my drifter

[old marsh]

focus school for which u have minimum focus of over 7 million

[fierce lark]

for the most part that's true, but equipping a tauron strike lets you mod your amp, which removes the requirement to equip madurai in order to kill things with it

[wary forge]

Any school can use the mods u just have to have the strike unlocked

The strike allows u to mod ur amps

Doesn’t matter the school

[fierce lark]

vazarin is broken in general and nidri + the nodes after it are even more absurd

[wary forge]

Ye

[midnight crown]

like the spare focus after i finished all the nodes?

[wary forge]

Madauri still the best if you want the most dmg from your amp tho

[fierce lark]

yeah it costs another ~5.6m or smth to finish the new nodes for tauron

[midnight crown]

damn

[wary forge]

But every school does insane dmg once u get the mods

[midnight crown]

i only have the most of 1.3m focus on madurai

[wary forge]

That’s fine

[midnight crown]

i'm currently working on it

[wary forge]

All u need on Madurai is just contam wave and the other ability everything else is just whatever

[fierce lark]

i wouldn't worry about how much focus you have pooled, just look into what the taurons do and the new nodes after and pick one that looks closest to what you want

[midnight crown]

okay

[wary forge]

Yeah most schools just have like one or 2 things that u want to level

U don’t gotta worry about maxing every school it will just happen passively over time kinda thing

[midnight crown]

i should have spent more time on operator since the old peace drop

[karmic badger]

Wdym near instant 3.5s of invincibility is fair and balanced

/s

[fierce lark]

5s 🙃

20 second pool of level-scaling damage that also auto-revives and resurrects

[karmic badger]

Also vazarin lets you tell everyone to stfu because you have the talking stick

[wary forge]

4 insta revives plus ur strike revives everything that is down

[karmic badger]

"We shall not fall"

In the most serious gandalf voice

[velvet pulsar]

8 technically

4 for warframe & 4 for operator from what I've heard.

[karmic badger]

"We shall not fall"

In the most serious gandalf voice

[old marsh]

Ye

[opal leaf]

Di any of you have a CytexSobek build? Kinda need a reference for it

[compact cypress]

which is the better ulfruns descent build?

[gray quarry]

2nd one, also imo I’d use normal stretch, archon isn’t too useful on her

[compact cypress]

true but if ive got the space no reason to not use it

thanks tho

[fierce lark]

if you’re using diriga as i imagine a lot of vorunas are, archon stretch is permanently active

[compact cypress]

im using a huras/sunika kubrow 90% of the time lol

[fierce lark]

4 build still primes things with 2 right

[compact cypress]

?

yes if your asking what im assuming you are

[fierce lark]

prime enemies with fangs, nuke with ulfruns

[compact cypress]

yup

[fierce lark]

so archon stretch is still gonna be active all the time

[compact cypress]

pretty much

ive also got a roar setup but havent used much

[wary forge]

No reason to do the mecha mods if ur not nuking with the 4

[karmic badger]

Raw electric, then the usual sobek setup

[opal leaf]

Thank you thanks, guess my mentor was right

[karmic badger]

Mainly because out of the base elements, only electric benefits from headshots

[compact cypress]

fr? i thought it would still be good

[karmic badger]

Which synergizes with Cyte09's headshot bonuses

[wary forge]

That’s not why

For Sobek acid shell it barley headshots

You go Eltric because shot guns have primed charged shell and Eltric shards

[fierce lark]

think it's more because of elec primary shards being a thing

[opal leaf]

Oh how so?

[wary forge]

Ye

[fierce lark]

electricity and gas damage can target individual body parts

meaning they can hit weakpoints/heads

[opal leaf]

Ooooo them 2 are quite special ay..

[gray quarry]

Yes

[wary forge]

Well gas is weird since it doesn’t get affected by the mods it’s like blast and based off yor weapons dmg but can headshot

It’s good if u have specific ways to control how many procs u can do at once

Like mainly with melee afflictions

[novel bear]

Gas does get affected by elemental mods, but there’s only one gas mod and it’s an augment

[wary forge]

Ye you have to have a mod that gives directly gas

[fierce lark]

this is an example build. progenitor doesn't matter that much but personally i would do magnetic, toxin is good for cyte specifically

if you can't/don't want to use bane you can use ppb or the other augment or another fire rate mod instead

[wary forge]

Like putting more toxin and heat doesn’t boost it I’m pretty sure

[fierce lark]

gas is only buffed by things that say "gas"

[wary forge]

Ye

[prime scarab]

out of context this is the funniest thing I've read today

Its like...yeah obviously gas is only buffed by things that say gas

I get contextually its meaningful here

but without the context I came in and thought you were saying the most obvious shit

[wary forge]

I would just go clip del over savy and point blank over ravage acid shells can’t Crit so the only reason you mod for Crit is to help kill the initial target which is pretty redundant especially if u are using nourish

[fierce lark]

all statuses work that way, but most damaging statuses are from base non-combining elements

[karmic badger]

But yellow is prettier

[fierce lark]

so obviously heat is only buffed by things that say "heat" vice versa with elec/toxin

[prime scarab]

I need to look at gas more and understand the mechanics. Its an element I haven't messed with much but Grendel uses it so I gotta care now.

[fierce lark]

but you traditionally make gas and blast on a weapon by combining tox/heat or cold/heat

[karmic badger]

Also could've sworn you could make status procs crit via Crepuscular, though that may just be harmony shenanigananery

[fierce lark]

so you'd think that more tox/heat or more cold/heat would buff the status damage

[novel bear]

Gas isn’t in a great state right now, because it’s bugged

[fierce lark]

but more heat & toxin doesn't affect gas status' damage, and nothing as far as elements go buff blast damage, not even "blast" buffs

[novel bear]

Bugged in a way they probably won’t fix because it would invite afk strats

[compact cypress]

on the context of ulfruns descent
do crit dmg purp shards work with it? or should i just stick to strength shards

[wary forge]

Gas is good it’s just niche

[fierce lark]

no, stick with str

[dusky bane]

nah, it doesn't count as a melee

[mighty flare]

no, just strength or ability dmg are ur options

[karmic badger]

Gas is still funni on occasion, and like, i still use on my sporothrix

[prime scarab]

I only use gas because Gastro on Grendel :p

[wary forge]

It’s good with afflictions but like just use influence

[fierce lark]

gas is a lot weaker than intended because it doesn't inherit damage bonuses from its host after the host dies

[wary forge]

Is it supposed to cary the damage over I think it is right

[fierce lark]

the other issue is that when the gas cloud's host dies, your weapon won't get kill credit for anything else the remaining cloud kills

[wary forge]

I know it’s bugged idk how it’s bugged tho

[fierce lark]

one thing i know about it is that it works perfectly fine on gara

you spread clouds across the entire screen ignoring los and they hit for over 6m

[wary forge]

Ye

Only time I’ve ever used gas is on rumbled atlas with afflictions

[dusky bane]

fartlas

[prime scarab]

What are the unique movement frames?

Yareli - Mirulena
Uriel - Bullet Flight
Grendel - Ball
Titania - Flight form
Zephyr - Low Gravity
Chroma - Double Bullet Jump

I'd even say Hildryn and Oraxia with their permanent 4 build.

Am I missing any?

[wary forge]

Hydroid

With his tidal surge augment especially

Allows you to spam it easily for nice movement it’s really underrated movement

[dusky bane]

does nokko's bouncy shrooms and his lil' shroom mode count

[prime scarab]

Hm. I think his 3 kinda counts. I haven't touched Hydroid at all, tbh. I got Nekros and Khora so Hydroid kinda got put on the backburner.

[opal leaf]

Nezha........ Umm... Longer slide :/

[prime scarab]

oh dear I forgot this was technically true lmao

What a dogshit passive

[opal leaf]

I Mena it's fun with Parkour velocity it's fast

[prime scarab]

Yeah but slide is like...the least useful part of the movement kit

[karmic badger]

Nah the slip and slide is real fun

[opal leaf]

Yes sjr

[karmic badger]

Also if we're including nezha, then so is mirage

[prime scarab]

Maybe I'll just have to go give it a shot if its so fun

[dusky bane]

thankfully there's a mod to disable it

[prime scarab]

So the devs recognize its less than desirable in most situations and to offset it they give you...

15 power strength and a missing mod slot

Nezha really does have an unfortunate niche huh

[dusky bane]

I don't even care for strength, I do this shit for the love of the game

[prime scarab]

At least his 4 looks SICK

[karmic badger]

Same thing for umbra

[prime scarab]

Umbra is so close to being so damn cool too

Like...him fighting alongside you while in operator mode actually goes crazy

Thats awesome. Genuinely.

Let me build into that

[dusky bane]

and zephyr

[prime scarab]

But they'll never touch that guy again I'd bet

[prime scarab]

I love Zephyr's niche wdym

[dusky bane]

I hate her passive so much

[prime scarab]

whaaaat

[dusky bane]

and the mod to turn it off doesn't even turn it off

[prime scarab]

I love her passive

Cubra hates fun confirmed

First Nezha and now this?

But no I've heard a lot of people complain about it

I personally love it but I also love catapult on grendel and people are split on that one too

[karmic badger]

Damn shame if you disable nezha, like, you're ripping off his heelies

[prime scarab]

I actually want a second bullet jump on Zephyr REAL bad

[dusky bane]

it feels bad to control

[prime scarab]

Give Chroma a better passive

[prime scarab]

It feels super easy for me but I adapt to control schemes really easily as like a personal thing so it may just be that I get used to it really fast

[dusky bane]

idk, I just dislike feeling floaty
it feels unresponsive

[prime scarab]

I grew up with like 2000 ping internet so playing with messed up controls all the time felt second nature lol

[prime scarab]

Okay, this I can kinda understand because a lot of people I see try to play her the way they do other frames and you're SUPPOSED to float in the air, and be unresponsive, unless you save your jumps and dodges. You get in the air and stay there and then if you need to move you airblast yourself with a bullet jump or a dodge, etc.

Its not super intuitive but if you really dig in it becomes very responsive

But again, personal preference at that point so

I don't really enjoy playing half the frames people gush about these days

Everyone has their taste

[old marsh]

Try 60000 ping

WF will give u that experience

[prime scarab]

Truth be told I couldn't tell you the actual number, I just picked a high number and selected it. Grew up poor in the 90s so the internet options were cheap, not working, or a 1000$ a month

We went with the first one

Some days I wonder if we went with the second one

But yeah playing shooters on high ping all my childhood I just sorta got used to feeling like I wasn't fully in control all the time lmao

[old marsh]

2008 was when I first experienced internet. That too was Dial Up. So trust me, I know

[wary forge]

Is it even possible to get 60k ping

I’m pretty sure ur pc would just explode

[thorn spindle]

What can I change to make it better?

[wary forge]

Don’t go radiation viral

[dusky bane]

what's the build trying to be
12x light throws?

[solar reef]

is xoris or falcor the bounce one

[dusky bane]

falcor

[opal leaf]

Well unranked and not build yet, just testing... So for Cyte it works if you equip the ammo box.... I.. I was so stupid hahahahaha it clears tho ngl, this is just an unbuilt and unranked normal sobek but still hits hard

[solar reef]

i just hate glaives in general

i make an exception for the Wolf Sledge

[wary forge]

It literally needs like 4 mods

[solar reef]

yeah, acid shells is flat 45% so modding is largely unimportant

[thorn spindle]

i can change for melee prowess?

[dusky bane]

the worst of the bunch lowkey

[opal leaf]

XDD rhats true hahaha

[solar reef]

the ONLY reason you mod it is for the initial kill

[solar reef]

the coolest of the bunch

[wary forge]

Well it depends on how u want to build it

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-superman-gif-632723218522114279

[opal leaf]

Yeah and it's just so cool how it works... Like God!!! It's so good!

[quiet laurel]

omg mobile jumpscare

[opal leaf]

Cleared in an instant

[thorn spindle]

Dude, the only thing I want is to get her good for Steel Path, because I only have 3 planets left to reach it

[opal leaf]

Yeah I'm not in the pc rn so I'm trying to test the Sobek Shenanigans a d its so good

[solar reef]

mfs HATE to see this host

[wary forge]

Ok well there’s 2 builds for glaives

[quiet laurel]

if a mobile player is host I'd just stop playing for the rest of the day atp

[wary forge]

12x light attack builds and then builds where u detonate the glaive with heavy attack

[wary forge]

What if it was a mobile host in an arbi

[quiet laurel]

instant evaporation

[opal leaf]

Mobile is just not good (some mobile) for hosting bc it's...laggy hahaha

I mostly use mobile for trading and testing

[solar reef]

its not about the lag

its about the fps

[wary forge]

Yeah I ussaly just do trading on mobile

[opal leaf]

Yeah the spikes too

[quiet laurel]

and lag too

a lot of client side things for arbis is based on ping and host stability

[opal leaf]

So I do understand the mobile hate rn hahahah

[wary forge]

For me it’s lowkey the interface I’m not the biggest fan of it

[dusky bane]

a lot of stuff (like enemy spawns) scale with host framerate

[solar reef]

my biggest problem with mobile players has mostly just been the huge influx of distasteful visitors in the community

[opal leaf]

Oof so if a mobile player is the host

Yall be bored and sleep hahahah

[solar reef]

im all for player expansion but god why do so many of them suck this time

[restive lava]

Okay so guess question I got now is what archon shards to use on Voruna.

[solar reef]

melee or 4

[restive lava]

Guess doing more of a 4 using thing?

[solar reef]

use green shards for ability damage on enemies affected by corrosive

i’d use one casting speed shard

[dusky bane]

5 tau parkour velocity 🔥

-# fr tho it depends on your build

[wary forge]

Make sure to subsume infested mobility as well

[solar reef]

if younre melee platforming you’d use purple crit shards instead

[dusky bane]

4 build probably wants strength reds
non-4 probably CD purples

[restive lava]

Guess tbh don't entirely know what my build would classify as.

[dusky bane]

did you keep and use her 4 or not

[solar reef]

numbers are higher using greens, purples, and oranges for 4 spam

[restive lava]

Think someone suggested some kind of nuke Voruna build, thing.

[solar reef]

functions as a bane

[restive lava]

And it's got like, both augments on it.

[dusky bane]

wild

considering most of the damage is slash

[dusky bane]

that's a 4 based build

[mighty flare]

There’s examples you can work off on in: #1492606866482794601 message

[solar reef]

those shards ultimately increase that slash damage

you just need to use your 2 to get them primed

[restive lava]

Thinking about it does any of Voruna's abilities afflict enemies with corrosive or whatever?

[solar reef]

duh

[mighty flare]

Her 2

[solar reef]

her 2 applies EVERY moddable status effect

[restive lava]

Huh.

[solar reef]

Archon Continuity happens to make it more convenient to use green shards for consistancy purposes

[dusky bane]

she doesn't even want the green corrosive ones

[restive lava]

Think got Archon Stretch on though.

Don't really have the other things.

[solar reef]

???? its literally final damage multiplier for enemies that have it applied

[restive lava]

So would it make more sense to use the purple ones then?

[solar reef]

in what world do you not want that

[solar reef]

no

[dusky bane]

the extra stack ones???

[solar reef]

thats not what you use

[dusky bane]

those are the ones I said are shit

[mighty flare]

Ability dmg not extra corrosive stacks

[dusky bane]

oh, there's 2 for corrosive, oops

[solar reef]

green shards have an equivalent of this for corrosive

[dusky bane]

misunderstanding

these are ass for her

[solar reef]

amber have it for rad?

[mighty flare]

Yea

[solar reef]

iirc

[restive lava]

Okay I'm confused.

[solar reef]

with?

[restive lava]

Don't, feel like this really told me what shards to use.

[solar reef]

?????

we told you exactly what to use

[quiet laurel]

shield gain on blast kill ones

[solar reef]

greens, purples, or oranges for ability damage on enemies affected by status

[solar reef]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/788587329240563755/1180131086391590952/caption.gif

[restive lava]

Do feel like I got lost in the details because it went from talking about like... think green to then other stuff and it's just, heuh.

[undone dust]

https://tenor.com/view/deadlock-viscous-belly-valve-deadlockgame-gif-7730643635686756458

[mighty flare]

I would suggest looking through this to get a baseline understanding of voruna: #1492606866482794601 message

[solar reef]

my biggest piece of advice is to drop her 4th for either roar or wa

[undone dust]

drop her 3 instead
trust

[quiet laurel]

drop her 1

[mighty flare]

drop her 2

[hexed lodge]

the fact you all are suggesting a different subsume each makes this hilarous

[dusky bane]

drop her entirely and use revenant with torid 🔥

[solar reef]

three of them are to be ignored entirely

i will not tell you which three they are

https://tenor.com/view/konfusha-gif-15699957564414302481

[dusky bane]

this is legitimate advice tbh

her 4 is the subsume slot, I use this build, but with wrathful instead of gallery

[mighty flare]

drop the whole kit

[hexed lodge]

respectfully, i didn't ask for whatever this frame is advice but ty

[mighty flare]

[solar reef]

not evade harrow + dual tox

might as well throw it away

https://tenor.com/view/peace-and-quiet-dog-gif-9215234337880225861

[mighty flare]

Funny to think voruna 1 used to be only yellow crit instead of just adding it

[gray quarry]

What element is best for tenet cycron

[mighty flare]

mag

[dusky bane]

probably mag

[solar reef]

and they fixed it through a shadow patch like 3 and a half years after release

[quiet laurel]

rad

[gray quarry]

Alr

[quiet laurel]

rad best element

[dusky bane]

I'd consider rad too, yeah

cause mag mod is pretty nice

[mighty flare]

I’ve still met some ppl that never knew it got changed

[gray quarry]

1 more cycron for max, gonna keep hunting for the elec sister ephemera then probablydump a few forma andmake it rad

[quiet laurel]

aint no way bro is agreeing

[solar reef]

i, a hardcore main, didnt know until like a month ago

[quiet laurel]

idk if you are joining my brainrot or not

[hexed lodge]

adding my two cents, i'd say heat is great for Cycron too

[gray quarry]

I usually trust words you say

[dusky bane]

it's a legit thing, bubonico rocks rad progenitor

[mighty flare]

Shadow patches are the funny
Imagine they just like shadow patch sevagoth one day

[quiet laurel]

sometimes I am serious, sometimes I let the rot take over

[hexed lodge]

||tenno is pro at baiting, unless...|| Irradiate?

[solar reef]

they take away his ehp% in a shadow patch

[dusky bane]

like you rock whichever of these isn't your progenitor and they're both good
and cycron is pure heat by default

I'd say rad progen is just as viable as mag

[solar reef]

would be the funniest thing DE’s ever done

[gray quarry]

[solar reef]

the only weapon ill ever mod rad on is rakta

[mighty flare]

Stick to mag, irradiate not good

sadly

[hexed lodge]

Multiple times... the biggest shadow patch he got is when his 2+1 was turned from a "Double-reap tick" to 25% true damage
yes, i checked every patch notes and can use Trib's video to confirm it used to work like that, but i can't find when the change was implemented, i recall the earliest i witness that true dmg 2yrs before Shadow Haze released, just didn't know it could be increased with Roar or viral cause i didn't think much of it at the time

[solar reef]

if only radiation applied microwave instead or something fun like that

[gray quarry]

Alr

[mighty flare]

And the rest was history…

or not who knows

[hexed lodge]

FR, nobody noticed it was true damage that could be amplified until Dark Propagation (or his Prime?) came out

[dusky bane]

apparently the build slots NEITHER of these 💀
so uhhh
yeah don't listen to me

only bubonico rocks rad progen

[solar reef]

impact prog

[undone dust]

hemorrhage cycron peak trust!!

[quiet laurel]

bro DE when is my slash progen happening

[mighty flare]

puncture progen

[crisp marlin]

i have this kullervo build that uses syam and does absurd levels of damage, ive been using roar the whole time but i was wondering would eclipse make me do even more damage? since its eclipse is multiplicative, or is roar still better in this case?

[mighty flare]

evil update where it’s taken away along with every nonlos nuke too

[mighty flare]

Are you doing influence or just raw damage?

[crisp marlin]

raw damage

[mighty flare]

roar better for dot builds like influence
eclipse good for raw damage

[crisp marlin]

ok good to know ty 🙏🙏

[dusky bane]

eclipse hasn't been good since they nerfed it into the ground

[mighty flare]

Does syam wave not work like zaw/glaive?

[dusky bane]

good question

I genuinely don't know

[limber shore]

Anyone know a good build i can start working through steelpath with on easy mode. I feel like I keep following guides for like gyre and cedo/nataruk that are supposed to be really good but end up hitting at a couple hundred k at max. I dont have the endo for maxed mods but most of mine are at 8/10

[mighty flare]

builds for gyre or weapon builds?

[dusky bane]

nope

[wary forge]

Rare meats larp 🥩

[mighty flare]

Im you

[hexed lodge]

also, i'm not too familiar with Influence and i hate asking for advice but... if we ignore the requirement to trigger Influence, what's a good element to use with it?

[fierce lark]

me when no room for either

[dusky bane]

me when I found this out

[limber shore]

I guess I mean like all around builds. Including a weapon and the warframe that pairs well with it. I have accumulated a good number of primes from when I used to play in 2017 but am still working towards much of the newer content

[fierce lark]

xd

nukors jealous little bro

[mighty flare]

viral/blast/heat (with like shock trooper)

[dusky bane]

nukor doesn't run either too

[fierce lark]

it could

has a flexible slot where cycron has to run ppg

usually gets eaten by elementalist/expel

[dusky bane]

the cycron builds I saw also rocked enervate

[fierce lark]

i never bothered to try enervate tbh, just threw ppg flare and called it a day

[mighty flare]

There’s this for gyre: https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1477881092093640827

[fierce lark]

chain beam enervate stacking, i can see the vision

[vivid matrix]

is koumei's decrees ever worth building into or is the status build the way to go?

[dusky bane]

wdym building into

[fierce lark]

well, yes

[wary forge]

Lowkey becoming me

[fierce lark]

koumei's decrees are the only reason to even play her

[vivid matrix]

like using sickening pulse insted for her 2

[wary forge]

You should 100% use the augment

[vivid matrix]

working on it currently

[wary forge]

W

[vivid matrix]

newer player btw, just finished second dream

[fierce lark]

pretty sure anything koumei would want to do with status damage, lavos just does it better, voruna probably does it better, idk who else does status nukes but yeah

koumei isn't great at it

[vivid matrix]

only have gara, koumei and volt

[wary forge]

She’s a good pet platform as well

But ye you pick her for her decrees

The augment just makes u get more

[coral crest]

yeah koumei has no way to cash in on status

[vivid matrix]

gotcha, is there anything you can do to up the decrees other than getting the timer reduction mod?

[coral crest]

you have to run mecha set or some shit

[wary forge]

Mecha set ye

[near vortex]

condition overload

[wary forge]

That’s why she works as a pet frame

Spam 4 have ur pet proc all the status and spread them with contagious bond

[coral crest]

Lavos has his own way to win big from statuses, for Voruna its just collateral from movement and doing damage

[vivid matrix]

wait i actually have contagious bond, finally i have a mod someone suggests!

[coral crest]

but yeah voruna is prob another good mecha contender

[vivid matrix]

i have 2 voruna prime parts, is it worth getting for me this early?

[coral crest]

kubrow with a kubrow

[coral crest]

shes strong and dependable, and very versatile

i dont see why not if you can craft her

[vivid matrix]

i think i need the bp and the chassis

[fierce lark]

simply having a complete loadout

ie a weapon in every slot that can kill enemies

[vivid matrix]

right now im running both her sig weapons and the atomos

trying to grind the 60/60 mods currently

[fierce lark]

as long as all of your equipped weapons can kill whatever you're facing, you're using her gimmick at its fullest

[vivid matrix]

cool, i think im a bit to early in the game to have to worry about enemies just yet

[fierce lark]

i will say

her 1 & 4 make condition overload type mods much stronger

[simple frost]

thoughts and suggestions on my grendel prime build? im thinking about replacing cata with cunning drift and physique with stand united

[prime scarab]

Physique is kinda meh on him. The sheer DR you get kinda makes that amount of HP superflous, compared to like vitality

Did you overwrite Noursih?

[simple frost]

huh

[prime scarab]

I ask because you aren't running the augment for it so you're very reliant on having full belly to avoid fire killing your persistence

[simple frost]

should i replace cata with cunning drift?

[prime scarab]

Personal preference but it comes down to if you like cata or not. The range from CD is negligible on him.

I run cata because it means I can reposition in the air

[simple frost]

i wanted to get the mod

but im not max level in steel meridian

i got cata and gastro from a friend

[prime scarab]

I'd recommend finding space for it. It does two very very important things.

And picking it up when you can

[simple frost]

should i replace equi or hunter adrenaline

[prime scarab]

Personally I prefer Transient Fortitude over Blind Rage on him because I be spamming

[simple frost]

equi works pretty well

[prime scarab]

Equi is kind not needed if you're running hunter

[simple frost]

because i have a drone build that makes enemies drop 4x the health drops

[prime scarab]

Remember that Nourish doubles your gain on energy

[simple frost]

also it helps with arcane blessing

[prime scarab]

So equi is less necessary

[solar reef]

heres what i use

[prime scarab]

Hold on I'll get you mine too so you can see a few options

I'm still really finalizing a few things but this is my core.

Keep in mind I am a speed demon so I sacrificed a bit of HP for it.

The break points are 134 str for 100% strip. After that its just good to have.

[solar reef]

casting shards a must

[prime scarab]

Actually I'm glad you brought that up

[solar reef]

need at least one

[prime scarab]

Because I'm not so sure

[solar reef]

i run two

[prime scarab]

When he's in his ball form it doesn't ani lock you so

I don't really feel it necessary

[solar reef]

sometimes things just dont work out like that

having that casting speed in unfavorable situations far outweighs whatever miniscule 15% strength you can get in that slot

[prime scarab]

Ultimately he isn't hungry for shards to function so you can do whatever, I've just not personally found a casting speed one as big a deal on him compared to others

I'll probably run 3 tox tho

The forced toxin status is a juicy one

[solar reef]

i run three tox

[simple frost]

i have no endo to upgrade the umbral mods

[hidden quartz]

I'm rn slowly maxing this noctua build Is this good for most of steelpath content?

[prime scarab]

You don't need to max them

[solar reef]

noctuah

[prime scarab]

You just need to get your str up to 134

Thats really your only main breakpoint

[simple frost]

also i would need to use more forma because they are on some special symbol

[prime scarab]

You wouldn't forma the umbrals

[prime scarab]

Right I'm talking about in changing over to the umbra

Which is what I replied to lol

[solar reef]

the main benefit of umbral mods is just that its an extra second or two of survivability/min maxxing

you can get by without them super comfortably

its by no means a requirement

[simple frost]

its so complicated

[prime scarab]

Yeah I'll probably throw Umbral Fiber on here eventually

Its not really complicated at all

They're just a set bonus that has its own polarity

[simple frost]

so what do i swap for what

[solar reef]

to tri umbral you only need one

i would drop equilibrium

[simple frost]

for?

[solar reef]

to start? armor

you dont have enough armor to hit persistence without having enemies in your stomach

[prime scarab]

Yeah you want to have 700 base minimum

[simple frost]

690 armor

[prime scarab]

Then you can use nourish to stay immune to fire

[simple frost]

maybe ill get stand united?

[prime scarab]

How are you getting 690?

[spiral chasm]

max out fiber

[prime scarab]

oh umbral

[simple frost]

no endo

[prime scarab]

Yeah, replace umbral with regular fiber

there is no point in running a single umbral

[simple frost]

i already upgraded it sob

[solar reef]

i personally use battery instead of flow for energy

[prime scarab]

I personally do prefer flow myself but thats a preference thing

I run Bellicose as my second

[solar reef]

lots of people dont use either

they just run a few blue energy shards

[solar reef]

i like having a fat comfortable layer of energy to sit on

[prime scarab]

Same

I don't wanna stress about it

I will also note that blind rage is gonna hurt you here

You hit a lot of buttons with him and efficiency isn't MANDATORY but it is...very nice

[solar reef]

drop blessing for either bellacose or battery imo

[prime scarab]

Consider Transient Fortitude over Blind Rage as well imo

[simple frost]

anyone has cunning drift

🥺

[solar reef]

you should drop blind rage for umbral when you can tri umbral him

[timber sparrow]

cunning test is kinda easy

[prime scarab]

Man Physique just does not hit for me

[timber sparrow]

do lua capture and you might just stumble upon the test room

[simple frost]

maybe ill get stand united

[solar reef]

he just doest need anything else

[simple frost]

huh

[prime scarab]

Stand United would let you be within 700 range with a single blue at least

[prime scarab]

SPEED

[simple frost]

what blue

[solar reef]

already has strip, doesnt use weapons to activate growing, we’re using persistence so no brief

[timber sparrow]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Orokin_Moon/Cunning_Test

[solar reef]

blue armor shard

[prime scarab]

Yeah it really comes down to speed or armor or health I guess. I just don't think the little bit of extra HP is that impactful

But I be zoomin

[simple frost]

i saw that room once

[solar reef]

i like having the extra layer of survivability because sometimes I really just dont pay attention

[simple frost]

should i buy primed continuity

[prime scarab]

You can. Archon is essentially the same just one cost more.

So you can just go farm that out yourself in a few weeks if you havent been keeping up

[simple frost]

btw im kinda broke endo wise

[prime scarab]

Gonna need to fix that

[timber sparrow]

1999

[simple frost]

whats 1999

[timber sparrow]

bounty

[simple frost]

i just finished the sacriface

[timber sparrow]

um.. the hex?

[prime scarab]

Sir you do not need to be worrying about maximizing your build rn

[simple frost]

im kinda early in the story

[prime scarab]

Go do the story and come back when you're done lmao

[simple frost]

165 hours and i just finished sacriface

[timber sparrow]

go do your quests lol

[simple frost]

i like min maxing tho

[prime scarab]

You literally cant right now

[timber sparrow]

you quite literally cant even min max at the moment

[prime scarab]

The best stuff is out of your reach

[quiet laurel]

you'll be able to do that later

[prime scarab]

You can't even build your operator up

[quiet laurel]

if you wanna min max rn you'd have to use stuff you dont even have unlocked yet

[simple frost]

anyways ima go grind orokin cells so i can craft gram prime

[timber sparrow]

do you even have arcanes?

[prime scarab]

Does he even have operator??

[simple frost]

no i bought them with plat

[timber sparrow]

dawg

[simple frost]

i do since like 10 days

i started three weeks ago

[prime scarab]

TemTem please go play the story lmao

[timber sparrow]

go do your quests

rushing the game and don't even know about 1999

[prime scarab]

You are killing your money here. You are going to be able to get so much good shit perfectly easy later.

Get through 1999 at LEAST.

Get to Cavia standing and Hex standing for shards so you CAN min/max

[timber sparrow]

tbf I don't have cavia standing either I'm just lazy with faction standing

[prime scarab]

I literally just finished it the day before reset

I have a 2 in Cetus tho

Can't be assed to fish up the things they want

[timber sparrow]

I need to level Cetus factions for secura lecta credit farm

[prime scarab]

Yeah same. I'm almost done with fortuna at least so I can profit taker

Then its cetus and 1 or 2 others and lastly.....

vent kids....

[quiet laurel]

why would you need cetus for that

[timber sparrow]

the operator arcane is from there?

[quiet laurel]

true

[prime scarab]

Funny thing is I'm considering dropping steel fiber from my grendel build to put on armored agility and a blue shard instead

I need to see how far I can push this big guys hustle

Hm. 1 Cast Speed, 3 tox, 1 blue? Thats not so bad

Yeah. I'm gonna do that. Sorry Spider Lady you're losin your blue

[prime scarab]

Talk to me about your range here. I've considered dropping Overextended for the regular Stretch too but I'm concerned the eat won't reach far enough.

[solar reef]

i mean ive never had issues with it

[prime scarab]

Do you run him in any specific kind of content or just a generalist?

[solar reef]

my only problem with eat is just its bad hitboxes

[solar reef]

everything from base path to level cap cascade

its the only persistence frame i enjoy

[prime scarab]

Hm. I'll have to reforma but it might be worth it. I could drop Bellicose and play around with a secondary arcane.

[solar reef]

i just never feel the need to dump more strength in through bellicose since his 4 scales the way it does

so i just built him for raw comfort

[prime scarab]

Well, right now Belli isn't there to pump str its how I get to 134

Because I'm using overextended which dumps str

Idea being eating from across the room

[solar reef]

i just dont mind it since im moving around hitting enemies anyways for health

[prime scarab]

Yeah I guess ultimately I don't need to eat from so far away since it doesn't matter if they hit me

[solar reef]

im already close enough to eat with low range

[prime scarab]

I'm still getting the energy down for arcane persistence. I played it on oraxia and it was fine but I didn't super love it.

[solar reef]

like im sure its comfortable with high range

i just cant fit it into my comfortable setup

[prime scarab]

Yeah I'm torn between range and duration for like 30 points ultimately

A smidge of duration to extend nourish would be...very nice

I hate upkeeping it

[simple frost]

im trying to turn my diriga into a condition overload setup machine

[prime scarab]

oh shit I don't have to reforma actually

[simple frost]

any ways to get more statuses from it ?

[prime scarab]

I can test it without reforma

[prime scarab]

Who is your companion? I'm running a panzer rn since nourish spreads virals and panzer can spore from there, plus beast for resourceful retriever.

[solar reef]

i use a panzer because it doesnt matter what I use

i have a billion of them and I sell 4x4’s

it wouldnt be what i consider optimal or anything

[prime scarab]

I don't think there really IS an optimal one for him tbh. I was looking at it yesterday and they all kinda just are okay.

[solar reef]

its just that companions are largely unimportant on him since he does ehp scaling and doesnt need priming

he does his own priming

as long as you have vacuum/fetch its fine

[prime scarab]

Yeah, exactly. I might run a kubrow on him just for the cetus skin to kinda match the aesthetic of the grendel turbis skin

[novel bear]

Corrocold hound for priming probably

[solar reef]

Grendel already armor strips and his 4th doesnt crit so cold isnt important

he doesnt want any priming other than viral, which he does in his own kit

[novel bear]

His armor strip isn’t that good though

[prime scarab]

??

[solar reef]

? It’s 100% strip

[prime scarab]

100%??

[solar reef]

at like 135% strength too

[novel bear]

When in pulverize

[prime scarab]

Not in pulverize

[novel bear]

Oh, forgot about that

Nevermind

Huras is the best then

Invis and loot bonus

[solar reef]

the best choice is just whatever kills fastest and gives you loot

[prime scarab]

Eh. The invis isn't really doing anything either tbh.

I think I might pick one of the kubrow I haven't ever done and give him that.

[novel bear]

It means you can ignore survivability

[solar reef]

i just run a pure survival panzer and let it pick at things since the only think i care about on it is fetch and resourceful

[prime scarab]

Arcane Persistence build lol

[solar reef]

survivability for the pet

[novel bear]

That’s an arcane slot you don’t have to use

[solar reef]

not you

[prime scarab]

Oh. Eh.

[prime scarab]

nah there is no amount of comfort invis can provide that compares to persistence

[solar reef]

99% of grendel set ups are persistence builds atp

its just how people build him

[novel bear]

Huras is better survivability than persistence, on account of violence

[prime scarab]

Strongly disagree lol

[solar reef]

thats what operators for

[novel bear]

Disagree all you want, I’m right

[solar reef]

literally the only time i’ll ever touch my tauron strike

[prime scarab]

Not really. A huras isn't going to do anything meaningful compared to me.

[solar reef]

grendel can fully utilize shade/huras

[novel bear]

Huras doesn’t get turned off by a random spawn

Persistence does

[solar reef]

its a great survivability tool for him

[opal leaf]

Doesn't Huras gives invis?

[prime scarab]

Persistence doesn't get turned off?

[novel bear]

Lol, what

[prime scarab]

Its constantly up...

[opal leaf]

Or it's a different dog

[novel bear]

Lol

[solar reef]

nullifiers and mag status turn it off

[prime scarab]

Oh that

[solar reef]

violence has nullify

[novel bear]

Violence has silence

[opal leaf]

He can cut that shit out hahahah

[novel bear]

And he teleports to you

[prime scarab]

I just bring laetum for acolytes tbh

[solar reef]

but realistically its a non issue because, once again, operators exist

[prime scarab]

And yeah that too

[opal leaf]

Tbh I just need... Like... What more do I need here?

Idk.............

[novel bear]

The weapon needs to actually kill things

[solar reef]

this still sucks

you’ll take a while to get the initial kill

[opal leaf]

Yeah I know that's why I need help

[modest vector]

Do yall think kullervo persistence is nice? Or am i better off running another arcane

[solar reef]

why do you have elementalist if you have no dot’s lol

[novel bear]

Start with a base damage mod

[opal leaf]

I mean not really I just run to my Ressuply dot

[novel bear]

Point blank or whatever the shotgun gunco is called

[solar reef]

if you’re not level capping you’re better off overguard gating

[opal leaf]

Oh

[solar reef]

if you ARE level capping persistence is his preferred survivability

[opal leaf]

Like I just ran to it....

[modest vector]

oooo alr ty

[opal leaf]

It's just 4 mods and able to do this already

[novel bear]

Really hoping kullervo prime gets an armor buff
Then he can just run persistence and overguard gate

[opal leaf]

Here is a better one

Same unranked Sobek hahaha

[prime scarab]

stop making me look at mobile ui

[solar reef]

ok but what level are those enemies

[opal leaf]

There is nothing you can do bc I am testing on a mobile

[opal leaf]

110 SP enemies

Like I get it it's low but my point is the Ressuply seems to be doing the thing most of the time

Thing is I need to make more powerful... To give it more oomph to it

[prime scarab]

110 isn't even base 1999 enemies?

is it?

[opal leaf]

To do use a Galv Savvy

[solar reef]

throw nourish over neutralizer to start

[novel bear]

It is pretty sure
And even if it wasn’t sp enemies would still be stronger

[opal leaf]

Non SP 1999 are levels 60 to 70

110 SP enemies are basic Earth To Venus SP enemies

[opal leaf]

Why?

[novel bear]

You’re not using neutralizer

And nourish is the only damage buff cyte can use

[opal leaf]

I guess so

[frozen oyster]

Anybody got a busted occur build

[novel bear]

Put on a fire rate mod too

[opal leaf]

In the config a I'll do it, but I'll leave config B for my Neutralizer

[opal leaf]

Gotcha

Do Galv Savvy important too?

[novel bear]

Yes

You need base damage

[solar reef]

i’d throw on corrosive to strip

[opal leaf]

I'll ranked it tomorrow and get the 3 forma thing from Teshin to further upgrade this build

[solar reef]

maybe heat

[opal leaf]

Doesn't Acid Shells does that? Or I read the corrosive on Acid Shells wrong

[solar reef]

you’re missing the point

[opal leaf]

Aside the hp% damage

[solar reef]

youre modding to kill that one initial enemy

[opal leaf]

Hmm.

[solar reef]

acid shells corrosive explosions come AFTER

[opal leaf]

I see

[novel bear]

Acid shells means killing one enemy kills all of them
But it doesn’t affect that initial kill

[solar reef]

Think of it as a dead mod slot

Banes really help

[opal leaf]

Mmmm I see I see

[opal leaf]

I don't think Im using a faction mod on it but thanks for the recommendation

I'll ask my mentor for the build idea but at least fire rate is important, base damage obviously, and some other... Ohhhh

Wait Corrosive is Toxin and electricity

[opal leaf]

Wait hold on Malz

Why do some builds build for magnet?

An electric and a cold mod (the ones I usually see)

Why?

Is it for overguard? Or something else that I cannot see

[solar reef]

magnetic functions the same as viral but for shields and overguard

[opal leaf]

Hmmm

[opal leaf]

So it goes both ways

Either Corrosive or Magnet... It's the one I am seeing here

[solar reef]

also you dont use cold AND electricity

1999 has mods that give you mag straight up

[opal leaf]

Hmmm.... So in theory I can build a Corrosive Magnet build on Sobek

Would be worth it tho

(it's my first time modding the gun like this so pardon me bc I'll ask a lot)

[solar reef]

you’re literally just building it to kill one single enemy as efficiently as possible

[violet silo]

magnetic kills shields and overguard, as well as being a one (or zero)-mod status for aptitude/shot

[violet silo]

which frame is this for

[solar reef]

cyte sobek

[opal leaf]

Cyte

[violet silo]

okay, cold progen elec mods

just mag

[opal leaf]

Woah Woah... Wdym

[violet silo]

you can usually rely on shock trooper and cyte's 300% weak point cc for initial kills

[violet silo]

cold progenitor on the sobek, mod for electricity.

[opal leaf]

Mmm I don't have Kuva, this is a normal Sobek bc I'm lazy to do the Kuva lich (someday I'll get it and use frost to get it so thanks for that)

OK so what do I really need to build on this guy? Corrosive or Magnet

Ans does Elementalist really doesn't do anything here?

[violet silo]

just do it.

[violet silo]

elementalist is mandatory

[opal leaf]

Soon

[violet silo]

acid shells dot damage buff

[opal leaf]

OK gotcha

Would a status chance increase like Savvy important?

[violet silo]

no

[opal leaf]

Noted

[violet silo]

some people recommend savvy but I disagree

[opal leaf]

So base damage, crit, multi, fire rate and go Either Magnet or Corrosive (cause there are 2 answers that you go Magnet or Corrosive)

[violet silo]

it's way more worth it to farm it and invest in it than to invest in something you intend to get rid of

[opal leaf]

I'm used to it

Now for the build plan

[opal leaf]

Is this valid?

A8ght I'll build this up tmr so goodnight everyone

[fierce lark]

buy a sobek riven then you can justify not using the kuva one xd

[scenic echo]

Or use the sobek riven onnn the kuva one? 😛

[fresh solstice]

Anyone know a good mesa prime build?

[fierce lark]

regular sobek has way higher disp

[bold estuary]

Does a higher dispo make a god roll sobek riven make using the base sobek better than the kuva flavor?

I don’t know if he top of my head how high it’s base stats increases are

[leaden bison]

anyone got a good 0 forma grendel build

[fierce lark]

given the way sobek calculates acid shells damage, at least for saryn and oraxia, a 2 element roll with toxin would add some funny damage

[slender vine]

Iam gonna do it, Imma build Gunless Temple, RNG better be kind to me

[violet silo]

i don’t think it does tbh

I think kuva’s better enough that it doesn’t justify the regular just because of a riven

[slender vine]

What are you saying? Same riven goes on both

[violet silo]

they were saying that the difference in disposition can justify using the regular one over the kuva

and I disagree

[slender vine]

I also disagree

Regular veraions of Kuva Tenet are barely usable

[fierce lark]

kuva sobek does absolutely nothing to improve acid shells dmg

so if you’re acidmaxxing regular sobek with a riven is better

[simple frost]

what animation set looks good on grendel

[violet silo]

but it does a lot to improve initial kill damage

and removes a mod slot

[fierce lark]

rivenless kuva is likely better for first kill but it may depend on the riven

the biggest advantage ksobek has over reg is the crit stats but toxin shells builds don’t always run crit anyways

i wouldn’t do it personally, but i can see the vision

sobek has very high disp, you can get crazy acid shells dmg

[cedar slate]

Question: Does shield of shadows for nekros give you status immunity?

[fierce lark]

nope

[cedar slate]

hmm, ok. overgaurd through circumvent should help with that then. thx

[prime scarab]

Are there any abilities that count as melee for the purposes of the techrot kills on 1999 calendar? I don't have any actual melee frames built up yet so I always just stop at this one.

Obviously Exalted melees but like...anything not actually a weapon

[violet silo]

shattered lash with influence is the popular one

[prime scarab]

oh shit wait I can probably slap together a random umbra build to do this on non steel path, huh?

Exalted Blade should do the job if its just regular 1999

oh damn LANDSLIDE counts as a weapon? Thats the second time in 24 hours I've been impressed by that guy

[violet silo]

pseudo exalteds all work. I would recommend gara’s shattered lash, as I said

[prime scarab]

I don't have Gara yet sadly lol

I've got about 15 primes which feels like a lot but...

there are still quite a few left

I HAD a Kullervo...

but I ate it

[stuck igloo]

People asked to post my build here. Feel free to destroy it.

Not doing damage, running out of energy and stright up dieing are my main problemns

[ember sapphire]

Idk if this belongs in builds discussion but I js wanna which one should I pick??

[fierce lark]

i do circumvent rollingguard careen on my nekros and it hard carries survivability for dark sector infested farms

find a good room, wait for enemies roll through, press petrify, shoot everything, repeat for an hour or however long you feel like

[fierce lark]

this is the correct place to ask about rivens and i believe second is better? multishot is just easier to source than fire rate, especially if you're using galv chamber with a rifle to stack it

[cedar slate]

instead of rolling gaurd, I was planning on putting adaptation. I think it might be better especially since I plan on shield tanking.

[ember sapphire]

Alr bet, another question I have is this a godroll riven or is there better that I can roll?

[fierce lark]

if you're using circumvent then adap is useless, DR doesn't work on overguard

[muted gale]

Mesas pistols aren’t really used for status so pick and stick to it. Primarily heat imo.

[cedar slate]

for when overgaurd eventually breaks, and no eximus around

[fierce lark]

jfc mb, i took the time to read through it and just didn't read this line ig

@cedar slate i lied you it makes you status immune

[fierce lark]

it's pretty mediocre

[novel bear]

Wrong, corrosive heat is plenty fine on mesa
And low status chance doesn’t mean low status

[fierce lark]

2 pos no neg is pretty bad

[cedar slate]

oh damn

ok

[muted gale]

@stuck igloo Also trade for arcane velocity, it’s basically mandatory for mesa. And farm for Grendel to solve energy issues

[ember sapphire]

Dang😭, alr I’ll keep rolling then

Thanks

[fierce lark]

it's a good mod to slot just because verglas has good dispo, the stats present are good and high enough

but you can easily get much better

[cedar slate]

alr, in this case ful shield tank with aegis and adaptation it is.

[ember sapphire]

Is this better then?

[muted gale]

Corrosive heat is ok but you’re better off on sticking to one and adding magnetic crit mod

[novel bear]

Not really

[fierce lark]

nah crit chance is basically a musthave

[ember sapphire]

Alr, gotchu

[fierce lark]

corroheat isn't run because of status, it's run because the damage types are good and let you slot both primed elemental mods

but they will still apply statuses and both statuses are very good, having heat lets you stack hotshot and amber shards

and mesa runs nourish anyway so you don't need to mod viral

[muted gale]

It’s up to the person but I’ve been sticking to heat and letting my pet apply anything else for apt stacking. Plus only heat lets me stack up my amber faster

[fierce lark]

yeah but you're missing a ton of elemental dmg not having primed conv

[ember sapphire]

Okay ik this one is def better than the one I currently have, right?

[novel bear]

Ambers stack fast anyways

Like 2 minutes at most for full stack

[muted gale]

Plus hotshot. I don’t want anything else fighting for my red crit

[fierce lark]

im honestly not sure lol

you really want a riven that has a harmless negative

it boosts the positives by a lot

[ember sapphire]

Ohhh okay gotchu

[ember sapphire]

Like this…?

[fierce lark]

rivenless verglas has 1 slot which is very low value, usually gets taken up by vigi armaments or a pretty low-impact elementalist, so it's a perfect spot for a riven

so it doesn't make a lot of sense to try to replace an old mod like toxin, like you'd do with that riven to a normal gun, imo

[twilit crest]

Status duration is actually really bad

[fierce lark]

almost, neg destroys it

[twilit crest]

Like I thought it wouldn’t be that bad but it is

[ember sapphire]

Dang, alr I’ll keep rolling

[fierce lark]

can companion weapons roll things like zoom/recoil?

[ember sapphire]

Not that Ive seen so far

Idk if this is really bad or really good cuz ik crit dmg is needed but that 250 crit chance is insane

[fierce lark]

uhhh yeah you definitely don't want your crits to be doing half as much damage lol

[ember sapphire]

Yeah alr

[fierce lark]

also you should've kept the cc fr one

you'll probably find another one at least as good though

[ember sapphire]

Thats gotta be good

[fierce lark]

thats uh

not bad tbh

[twilit crest]

Thts one stat

[fierce lark]

5 punch through is wild lmao

[ember sapphire]

Lowk I kinda wanna keep this one but ik there’s better

[fierce lark]

you can always look for better and just keep that one in the meanwhile

[ember sapphire]

Imma end up using all my kuva

[ember sapphire]

Yeah imma have to grind for kuva again after this lol

[fierce lark]

i just double checked and apparently dps verglas builds don't use crit?

[ember sapphire]

Really??

Are they pure status?

[fierce lark]

so part of the reason verglas rivens are as expensive as they are is because with a riven, you can get it to 50% crit chance to fulfill the condition for tenacious bond

but apparently the numbercrafted dps build doesn't use crit mods

[ember sapphire]

Dang, okay. Imma look for status then

[fierce lark]

it looks like this

so yeah i suppose it's up to you to decide if you want tenacious bond or not

[ember sapphire]

Okay this is insane

[ember sapphire]

I prob won’t