builds-discussion

[hollow scarab]

but he flings ppl so im a little put off by that

[hollow scarab]

unless you just dont use that mod

[velvet pulsar]

I'm sure the best priming sentinel is diriga & not Wyrm

[stone canopy]

I'm using dirigia

Also have nautilus prime to lvl up

[velvet pulsar]

Nautilus can help

[violet silo]

the nuke is a nautilus thing, use that

[stone canopy]

Oh true

Is that all I need, nautilus?

[violet silo]

this, on the other hand, isn't a good diriga build tbh

[stone canopy]

Idk what I'm doing tbh

[hollow scarab]

cuz rn im using a hound

[velvet pulsar]

Assault Mode on top left corner will not allow other precepts to proc

[stone canopy]

Should I put arc coil there instead or sum?

[velvet pulsar]

Companion precepts follow proc priority from top left corner to right, then bottom left corner to right

[violet silo]

you shouldn't be using diriga, like I ssaid.

diriga will not help here, since it's a priming companion.

[velvet pulsar]

Put assault mode on bottom right corner for whatever sentinel u use

[stone canopy]

I gotta lvl nautilus up, just wanna know the setup for when I can use that

[violet silo]

you want nautilus with coolant link, contagious bond, and cordon. those are the main reqs iirc

[hollow scarab]

so should i be using a drone then and not my hound?

[velvet pulsar]

Are u using hound with voruna?

Coz that's a lot of priming TBH

[hollow scarab]

yeah i am

should i not have him be a primer?

[undone dust]

we love coolant leak

[velvet pulsar]

This is a bit complicated depending on usage

Coz voruna can prime using her 2, but if u aren't really spamming much of 2 on enemies, hound is covering viral priming more consistently compared to her.

[hollow scarab]

well i kinda have to span 2 or else my 4 doesnt really do damage right?

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah

[hollow scarab]

so should i be setting up my hound for damage then?

cuz i could also just stop using my hound and use like helios or nautalis or dethcube or smth instead

[velvet pulsar]

Lets solve one problem first

[hollow scarab]

lol

[velvet pulsar]

Your hound modding

You're using guardian in the last slot

[hollow scarab]

yeah i think thats cuz i had an empty slot

[velvet pulsar]

I just said something below your message

[stone canopy]

was there anything wrong with the other mods?

besides assault

[hollow scarab]

ok noted

[velvet pulsar]

Put guardian on first slot, top left corner

[hollow scarab]

ok just swap them then?

[velvet pulsar]

Get Manifold Bond mod

[hollow scarab]

i have that

[velvet pulsar]

Put manifold bond instead of diversified denial

Polarity wise, lets decide priority

Guardian on first penjanga slot

Null Audit on 2nd penjanga slot

Synergized Prospectus on 3rd if u have it

[hollow scarab]

i swapped the 3rd so its over on vaccum so i can put on manifold bond

what i have rn

[hollow scarab]

i have that. what do i take off for it?

[velvet pulsar]

Prospectus mods are mutually exclusive

[hollow scarab]

oh so take off focused

ok done

[velvet pulsar]

For now, you'll be surprised how much difference this will make on voruna

[hollow scarab]

oh wow yeah ok instantly i can see the dif

[velvet pulsar]

Voruna's 2 will keep triggering manifold bond & manifold bond will reduce the cooldown of guardian

[hollow scarab]

mmm ok so that should make me less squishy

[velvet pulsar]

So you'll have more survivability than u had

[daring crystal]

Can we actually put reinforced bond on sahasa kubrow ? Ive tried but juat cant get it to 1200+ shield for it to be effective

And i mainly use kulervo so the link mod is a no option

[velvet pulsar]

Link Redirection mod

Oh well

[steep abyss]

yea, everything else is possible on him

[daring crystal]

Guess ill just conserve ammo , i use sthalta and it run out of ammo very bery fast if i spam the explosion 😂

And i kinda need the fire rate cuz its so slow to charge without it

[hollow scarab]

@velvet pulsar thanks so much man, def feel a night and day dif of actually being able to use my weapons instead of bacially being forced to use my 4 and only my 4

[velvet pulsar]

Only cope then is to use Hildryn specter/Shield Osprey specter

But that's a bit too far unless you're planning endurance.

[daring crystal]

I think im too lazy for that 🤣 , im just going to use nyx when i want to spam sthalta XD

[frozen grail]

for a hound build what do u guys recommend, im taking synergized prospectus fs but im debating between diversified denial and null audit?

[velvet pulsar]

Diversified Denial prevents hound from using other precepts

So Null Audit

[frozen grail]

sorry mistyped i meant null audit vs repo audit

[velvet pulsar]

Now that's a good question

Repo Audit is consistently reliable survivability while Null Audit is random utility.

U can't rely on null audit for something specific

If survivability is not an issue, take Null Audit

Or else take Repo Audit for more survivability

[frozen grail]

so you tend to favor repo audit?

ah alright makes sense

[velvet pulsar]

I mean... it straight up copied Loki's ultimate ability, so hard to not favor it.

[frozen grail]

fair fair, youve sold me

follow up as im brand new to hounds (over 1k hours still havent touched them and i think ive been missing out)
what weapon for them do u recommend?

[velvet pulsar]

Batoten (or whichever has highest riven disposition in case one day they finally become capable of using Tenacious Bond)

I use Batoten because puncture & impact priming has advantage even if Synergized Prospectus is dealing 1 damage.

Slash isn't doing much

Other than existing for condition overload kind of mods

[frozen grail]

fair enough youve once again sold me thank you!

[warped hound]

guyss which better need help

[velvet pulsar]

Damage to infested

Take it

Negative damage to corpus isn't as good as negative damage to infested

[quiet laurel]

Would argue left

[fierce lark]

would make for a pretty compelling argument

[daring crystal]

Umm , anyone got fun melee weapons to just light att spam ? I was using thalys and dual ichor (influence) atm

[viscid bane]

How feesable is HP tanking with Valk at level cap with Persistance?

[velvet pulsar]

dual ichor (vortex)

It's a criminal change

[astral tinsel]

Okina

Nepheri

[latent adder]

Very feasible

You just heal it straight back with 4 and any breakthrough death is blocked by the passive

[jaunty briar]

Is 4 purple/orange shards more consistent with voruna?

[mighty flare]

is this for ability damage?

[jaunty briar]

Yeah

[mighty flare]

greens are most consistent since you can roll for it twice: https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1492606866482794601

but if i were to commit to one build it would be for melee cd

[jaunty briar]

Thanks. Guess ill have to farm stella. My ass will have to let go of my red tau shards

[jaunty briar]

Would 3 greens and 2 red work?

Or do i just outright go full green

[mighty flare]

red for?

[jaunty briar]

Ability strengrh

Mb

[daring crystal]

@velvet pulsar @astral tinsel ty for the recomendation i will try it , sry for the ping 🤣

[mighty flare]

would make room for at least 1-2 yellows for casting speed or parkour velocity instead of red

[jaunty briar]

Doesnt voruna already have fast casting? (Atleast from what i can tell) and why parkour velocity

[mighty flare]

no? no innate casting speed buff, one of her passives are pv yes, but you might not always be on it like staying on her 4 passive to use the revive

[prisma hull]

I'm genuinely not sure what I'm looking for in terms of melee riven mods. would slash scale with base damage or?

I also have no idea if i should be trying to get heavy efficiency

[trail scroll]

When you guys hit the "damage walls" in base starchart, how did you overcome them?
Please don't hesitate to ping me about this question as I'm very curious

[gleaming vapor]

damage walls?

i dont think the game has them

besides like attenuationa dn shit

[trail scroll]

When new players are getting into it, they start struggling around Uranus/Neptune

[sweet agate]

Chat why am i still getting status effects every hit with a 7% status chance

[livid abyss]

Wonder what kind of stats I should go for a cedo riven

Unless it's a weapon with low dispo

Damn, it is low dispo, nevermind

[civic olive]

which kubrow pairing would work well with voruna or should i stick with nautilus prime and verglass (i have a riven for this)

[astral tinsel]

Got better weapons

Back then that meant Paris Prime lol

[gleaming vapor]

i assume youre shooting a lotta bullets

[astral tinsel]

What weapon?

[stone canopy]

Left or right?

[stone canopy]

xoris.

makes star chart fool proof

[tired bridge]

anyone know a steel path build for dagath or follie ?

cause im not sure about ember prime or yareli prime

[mighty flare]

should be follie build examples in: https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1487164102379049051

same for dagath: #1469407612272513309 message

[gloomy elm]

Any good voruna build found one but I don't feel like using umbral mods

[mighty flare]

did you want a complete build? theres examples in: #1492606866482794601 message

[gloomy elm]

Ah thanks but I might send my build later when am home

[naive zinc]

Guys, which one is better? I have no clue about riven…

[noble berry]

three cheers for the worst lavos build on earth that's carried me through a bunch of SP and the Murmur hidden boss.

[fickle whale]

doesnt seem like the worst if it carried you through SP

[wispy totem]

Guys, what ability should I give to voruna?

[pearl dune]

hmm.. Is Contagious bond and Vicious Bond good mod together on one pet? like Panzer?

[coarse quiver]

Im a returning player and got the Torid incarnon before i took a break from the game. Anyone recommend a build for it? Got a Riv for it as well with CC, CD and a Ammo max stats.

[tame gull]

whats a good wepon to kill acolades

[sonic folio]

What is even oraxia is even abour

[wispy totem]

That's actually a good question. I'm waiting for a augment to better shape her gameplay

[tame gull]

if your going for a statis use roar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9dAstUGh4I&t=725s&pp=ygUMdm9ydW5hIHByaW1l

[charred gale]

putting on sobek and using her as a great value saryn

[unkempt jay]

Is this still good even with the downsides?

[gleaming pelican]

Looking for wukong build for sp both iron staff and wukong himself

[charred gale]

-ammo max is fine for incarnons

+zoom useless tho

[astral tinsel]

and crit dmg is somewhat less valuable if you have the augment

Definitely slottable though

[unkempt jay]

I just searched that augment. How do you get it nowadays?

[undone dust]

buy it or wait for it to be plopped into the nightwave shop

[astral tinsel]

idk

[unkempt jay]

Oh so it rotates with the shop

[undone dust]

you'll just have to wait until they add both burning hate and unseen dread into the pool so probably not until next nightwave honestly

[old marsh]

but kinda hate that Unseen Dread's dur is so short. because of that I only use it with Invis frames

[frail wagon]

How do I make titania flight faster

[astral tinsel]

Or next nights of naberus

[undone dust]

thats if they add those to that

[old marsh]

night of naga drums

[dire terrace]

do i get rid of wisps 4th ability?

[unkempt jay]

Oh so it's not on rotation yet. Thanks for the info.

[charred gale]

Yes

Its pretty weak

[warm obsidian]

Is Mecha the go to for Voruna

[stone canopy]

How do I get my nautilus doing this?

[fickle whale]

easy answer:
heat spreading with contagious Bond result into EE.log:
12263.177 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 4.75263e+07, base: 4.75263e+07 Faction1 0
12263.177 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 4.75263e+07, base: 4.75263e+07 GAMEPLAY_PERCENT_BASE_DAMAGE_ADDED 0
12263.177 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 4.75263e+07, base: 4.75263e+07 Faction2 0
12263.177 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 4.75263e+07, base: 4.75263e+07 BaseDmg 0
12263.177 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 4.75263e+07, base: 4.75263e+07 BeforeCrits 0
12263.188 Sys [Warning]: Attempting to proc 100 instances of PT_IMMOLATION at once. This is likely unintended.
12263.188 Sys [Warning]: Victim: OrokinBladeSawmanAvatar15178
12263.188 Sys [Warning]: Source object: NautilusPrimeSentinelPowerSuit
12263.193 Sys [Warning]: Attempting to proc 100 instances of PT_IMMOLATION at once. This is likely unintended.
12263.193 Sys [Warning]: Victim: OrokinBladeSawmanAvatar15178
12263.193 Sys [Warning]: Source object: NautilusPrimeSentinelPowerSuit
12263.412 AI [Info]: OnAgentCreated /Npc/OrokinHealingAncient8286 Live 37 Spawned 8157 Ticking 36 Paused 0 IgnoredTicking 4 MonitoredTicking 32 AllyLive 4 AllyActive 4 NeutralActive 0
12263.417 AI [Info]: OnAgentCreated /Npc/RifleLancer8287 Live 38 Spawned 8158 Ticking 37 Paused 0 IgnoredTicking 4 MonitoredTicking 33 AllyLive 4 AllyActive 4 NeutralActive 0
12263.422 AI [Info]: OnAgentCreated /Npc/RifleSpacemanAgent8288 Live 39 Spawned 8159 Ticking 38 Paused 0 IgnoredTicking 4 MonitoredTicking 34 AllyLive 4 AllyActive 4 NeutralActive 0
12264.188 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 3.56447e+07, base: 3.56447e+07 BaseReplicaDamaged 0
12264.188 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 3.56447e+07, base: 3.56447e+07 Scaling 1
12264.188 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 3.56447e+07, base: 3.56447e+07 Mult 1
12264.188 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 5.68176e+07, base: 5.68176e+07 Faction1 0
12264.188 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 5.68176e+07, base:

This is due to heat overprocing and game cant ingame value anymore. Will show you -cap dmg at one point, however only on 3-5 enemys due to the amount of insta killing👍

In your video its seems like they using multiple status effects, however works the same in the end, so just change heat to whatever you want

[sly garden]

Any ideas on improvements here? The reload seems very slow... but idk what to replace

[fickle whale]

magnetic out, relaod mod in. Due to alr enough procs you wont need magnetic at all and will be the same only with faster reload. If you incist of playing magnetic, just reroll riven ;)

you could also sell the riven, get easy plat and play without. Result will be the same even at lvl cap in my opinion

[sly garden]

I've been rerolling this riven for weeks so I might just do that 🙁

What could this riven go for? It seems like a big negative

[fickle whale]

maybe 700 ig, anyways not tradeing with rivens so not a 100% sure tbh

[sly garden]

Would Radiated Reload be a good alternative actually? Or should I just go straight for primed fast hands

[stone canopy]

This is mine, think I need to reroll it

[sly garden]

😢

[fickle whale]

would go for fast hands tbh. Rad always kinda annoying if enemys start random shooting at you, however due to the amount of procs they wouldnt be able to shoot once ig

[sly garden]

Might just pray for a primed fast hands from Baro this week then

[fickle whale]

if you play disruption with it, rad would be better option due to demos wont get rad procs, however rad proc wont just disapear, it will be changed to highest status stat after rad. In this case heat. So lvl cap demos just melt or could even die faster with sick pulse😬

I'm a bid addicted okay? 😬

[warm hare]

Hello

[fickle whale]

are those 3.3 sec actually that bad btw?

[sly garden]

Well. When I test it in simulacrum, I can see the downtime?

Of course it may be different in-game

But I feel like if I'm swarmed and my thing is reloading, I could die

[fickle whale]

maybe you should test ingame with proper spawning, due to alyways a difference and procs getting aplied to way more enemys at once

[sly garden]

yeah

[cinder isle]

Which are the best weapons for Mirage? (No Kuva weapons) and I don't have sure footed

[wary forge]

Zaws

[viscid bane]

First one is better right?

[wary forge]

Yes

[viscid bane]

Any idea how much 2nd one would cost?

[wary forge]

Like 50 plat

How ever much an unrolled boar goes for

[sonic folio]

Your sign to make status build

[astral cipher]

So I currently use this alongside a pure magnetic status build to help with Overguard and eximus units would it be better to make my stilettos a different status since I run a viral build on my burston prime atm?

[viscid bane]

Already have this that does resonably well. Although idk if I should switch to savvy and/or deadhead

[frail wagon]

Can someone list or show me a good build for titania i can get with plats

[sonic folio]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-potc-gif-6051906

[viscid bane]

Wish there was a way to actually see and compare dps

[wary forge]

Don go elementalist

You wanna go corrosive blast

Otherwise that’s good

[quiet laurel]

Underframe

[wary forge]

I’m pretty sure boar prime is multi co with savy

[quiet laurel]

War

MultiCO on a direct hit weapon?

That would be very much news to me

[wary forge]

Wdym

[solar reef]

there is

Underframe calculates total dps

[shy veldt]

Can I get help with my reaper prime build? Im building it so i can use it with ash's 3rd ability

[solar reef]

heavy spam or tennokai/hybrid

[shy veldt]

Eh

Tennokai i think, idk

[solar reef]

wdym you dont know

do you use light attacks at all?

If so then its a tennokai/hybrid build

[shy veldt]

I prefer using light attacks

So yeah, a tennokai

[quiet laurel]

MultiCO is only present on projectile weapons

[solar reef]

just build for CRABSWEAT

[wary forge]

Every weapon in this game is a projectile

Are u a burger

[quiet laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-cannot-ragebait-me-heart-twitter-reaction-gif-cat-gif-16396486465647525728

[wary forge]

Except for like beam weapons

[solar reef]

you know what he meant

[wary forge]

I asked ai and it said it’s multi co 🤷‍♂️

[quiet laurel]

There is projectile and hit scans

[quiet laurel]

I'll skin you alive

[solar reef]

Iirc Boar’s incarnon is MultiCO but I could be wrong

i’d have to check the list again

[steep schooner]

guys how much is this worth? also this neg is harmless on bows

[wary forge]

No xatas o7

[fickle whale]

nah just for speedrunning relics

[wary forge]

Ah ic

Oh ye it is

[shy veldt]

I have animosity instead of crescendo

[viscid bane]

Holy crap savvy +Merciless does almost twice the damage. Looks like I'm switching. Altthough I will prob miss the QoLprovided by Crux

[wary forge]

Don’t go crux

Just mog merciless boar is really good with primary overcharge if u can use it

[quiet laurel]

That would be the only hit scan weapon to be multi CO

Which I heavily doubt

I tried researching but its not even present on any multiCO spreadsheet

[solar reef]

noted

[frail wagon]

What kind of build is this? Like is it for relic farm?

[fickle whale]

relic opening

[solar reef]

i dont use any primary other than Scourge so i wouldnt have known

[frail wagon]

Do you have like for noobs

[fickle whale]

huh? We're all baby tennos

[frail wagon]

😭 I'm a fetus

[viscid bane]

Why corrosive blast btw?

[frail wagon]

But what's the best build tho

[frail wagon]

My Gametime isn't even 3 hours

[fickle whale]

depends what you looking for? Relic opening, endurance, biss speedruns?

[frail wagon]

I think

[solar reef]

on what

[frail wagon]

Something that makes me go vroom

[viscid bane]

Boar prime

[solar reef]

aoe that has a separate instance of blast aoe

[frail wagon]

So probably a mix of farming capabilities and speedrun capabilities

[solar reef]

corrosive is always good for armor strip even if its not a lot

viral is easy enough to off load on to a companion or viral

[frail wagon]

What build is this, just saw this on a website

[fickle whale]

razorwing augment and then build around it I would say

[frail wagon]

Is that photo a good one

[solar reef]

generic 4 setup but using passive shield gate

[frail wagon]

Oh

[solar reef]

its ok, i wouldnt use Impetus

[frail wagon]

What do you recommend

[solar reef]

Impetus is only beneficial with a specicific pistol arcane

[frail wagon]

I just want to speedrun and get mats for prime titania

[solar reef]

you’d just want to find whatever generic thermal sunder setup you can find

[fickle whale]

not really in my opinion, anyways I have most likely an unique playstyle due to focus on max speed and speedrunning disruption, so if the build doesnt suit you, just change it to your like, always best option

[frail wagon]

Did you just say speed

[solar reef]

Sunder builds dont perform very well in steel path

[frail wagon]

Slide the build

[solar reef]

so do take them with a grain of salt

[frail wagon]

That's what I'm tryna get 😭

I wanna go zoom

[solar reef]

going fast is just her augment

[frail wagon]

Oh

[fickle whale]

yes

[solar reef]

You dont need a build for it

[frail wagon]

What's an augment again

😭

[solar reef]

Item-specific mods

[frail wagon]

So should I just follow this?

[viscid bane]

So like this?

[frail wagon]

Ohh

[frail wagon]

Okay I think I'll just follow this

[viscid bane]

I know I should prob go Primed Charged shell but doing so will ruin my other build as I'd have to forma

[modest vector]

does anybody have a maximum investment kullervo build they can slide me...?

[frail wagon]

This good?

[solar reef]

omni forma

[frail wagon]

Hey dude is this good?

[viscid bane]

https://tenor.com/view/if-i-had-one-angry-yelling-fairly-odd-parents-mr-turner-gif-16322274

[frail wagon]

Where do i get umbral intensify

[brisk crane]

after completing the sacrifice quest. you also get some other umbral mods due to them being for excalibur umbra

they get stronger the more umbra mods you have. but they need their own type of forma

[viscid bane]

Complete Sacrifice quest

[frail wagon]

Is there a substitute for it

Like something similar

[viscid bane]

Use regular one until you complete the quest

[brisk crane]

then when you do the veilbreaker quest after doing the new war (prepare a day to do it since its a long one), archon intensify is avalible

[frail wagon]

What's the regular one called

[brisk crane]

intensify

[frail wagon]

Ight thanks

[viscid bane]

Intestfy

[brisk crane]

once you do new war (i suggest you get to at least mr13 before then), the game opens up a lot of stuff to get better mods

[polar knoll]

pls let me know if there is an error

[pallid quiver]

yall whats a good follie build

[dusky bane]

Could do better

Mostly dropping sacrificial for blood rush and pressure for CO

[viscid bane]

Swap PPP for CO, Sac Steel for Galv Steel and Volatic Strike for Blood rush

I'd also swap fury for berserk but that's preference

[last scarab]

what can i swap target cracker for? faction mod?
riven is cd dmg ms -sd

dtox

[wary forge]

This is literally the build

If anything take out crosshairs for faction mod

[last scarab]

yeah but i feel its overkill for cd

[wary forge]

Crosshairs is ussaly riven slot

[last scarab]

okay can do, ty

[wary forge]

cross and or merciless if ur riven has punch through but ye

[last scarab]

yeah no pt on riven thats why im keeping merc

[wary forge]

Yep dual TOX has a problem of doing to much dmg lmao

[velvet pulsar]

There's only one change I can recommend

Put this in the exilus.

[last scarab]

i use glaxion/diriga for energy

[velvet pulsar]

I combine glaxion & toxocyst for even more energy

[last scarab]

tf what is this how do i see mine

[blazing bear]

Does anyone know how I should build kuva sobek to use with uriel?

[wary forge]

It’s on the wf website

[solar reef]

mine was Voruna, scourge, dual tox, and syam

[last scarab]

oh i didnt play as much last year tbf

[frail wagon]

Anyone got Follies build?

[solar reef]

it would just be full range investment with your choice of survivability

[pallid quiver]

can follie health tank or is gating just better

[valid cargo]

Ist this good or should i go mecha?

[solar reef]

you can do either

[solar reef]

precision intensify feels kinda wasted

Should just run umbral atp to help her 2

Mecha Empowered is kinda iffy since it only buffs your damage to one random enemy at a time, doesnt aid your status nuke

I also wouldnt use Corrosive Projection since you’re priming so many enemies for corrosive anyways

Growing Power will ultimately benefit you more

since her casts are so spammy anyways you can probably drop Concentration for either Augmented or Crepescular

[mighty flare]

Examples in: #1487164102379049051 message

[lavish orbit]

To add from Malz : Crepuscular will only be useful at near range of an enemy since it will buff you only for 0.Xs after casting your 2nd/4th, if you want more stability either concentration or molt augmented, even ice storm work but it's not really a stable choice when playing with other player, Growing power is not activated from her 2nd nor her 4th (if it works correctly)

[daring crystal]

Hi , is there a reason why my hound base shield drop from 333 to 315 after gliding ? It fk up my build now i cant use reinforced bond T-T

[solar reef]

literally just shoot an enemy once with a primer

growing power activated boom shebam

[valid cargo]

I want to use her 4 so bad ive seen the build by gaz ttv and it looks interesting but ugh i dont know and the build ninjase uploaded is a bit confusing

[solar reef]

how is ninjases confusing

its performs the exact same it just has mecha empowered over her Aura slot to boost damage from her 4th

That aside poopoo stinky 4 spam yucky

platform voruna my beloved

[daring crystal]

Ah i just fk myself up , apparently when gilded the parts penalty doubled and theres some part that give penalty to shield , the game never tell me this T-T

[pallid quiver]

does her 4 scale well or nah

[solar reef]

it scales ok

[pallid quiver]

even to cap?

[solar reef]

if you build for it properly it still does fine at level cap

[pallid quiver]

oh cool

[lavish orbit]

Just to add, people tend to misunderstand how her kit works because the wording

[solar reef]

its just 10x less efficient than Melee platforming

[pallid quiver]

so its still fairly worth investing in

[solar reef]

shes genuinely so braindead simple to play its such a shame people cant grasp it

[solar reef]

if you like it? sure

[modest vector]

does anybody have a kullervo build i can have im looking for something like a max investment in him

[solar reef]

I just think its gangly and uncomfortable to use

I’ve said it before but even if her 4 did a guaranteed 2.1b damage i would still subsume over it for roar/wa

because the comfort and usability of it is just not there for me

[lavish orbit]

Clunky to use, goofy under 200% range

[solar reef]

an angel weeps when a voruna has sub 200% range or builds multi-mecha

[shy veldt]

Can I get some help theory crafting? Idk how to do it and I wanted to try something

[wary forge]

What

[shy veldt]

Putting decoy onto ash replacing his one.

[dusky bane]

Or removes shoulder armor

[shy veldt]

Ofc with the damage decoy augment

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-sweating-sweating-bullets-sweating-gif-17507069

[dusky bane]

If you do that, a puppy gets shot

[solar reef]

The shoulder armor doesnt give me the aesthetic I want

if I could i’d remove the hip armor as well

As a melee platformer i look at her as an assassin, stealthy, sleek

the heads are just bulky

[dusky bane]

A puppy got tossed into a woodchipper

[solar reef]

A small sacrifice to make

my assassin is still assassining

[dusky bane]

Pure despair

[solar reef]

they hate to see a tenno ball

heads be damned

[wary forge]

Underrated syandana

I use it a lot

[solar reef]

it colors kinda awkwardly so I use it sparingly

this is my favorite syandana

[wary forge]

It does yeah good with like black and white dominated fashions

Cause u can pretty much only make the middle part like dark gray

[solar reef]

its never the right shade if you get me

so i only use it on grey/dull fashions

[wary forge]

Ye

[wary forge]

It’s a good one for me it’s just hard to make one sided stuff look ok like it’s very specific

If u get me

[solar reef]

another syandana i really adore is this one

its from revenants prime access

[wary forge]

That one looks good on that Oberon skin tho

[solar reef]

its super subtle so it works great on frames that already have capes on the skin

[dusky bane]

Didn't even know there was one

[wary forge]

Way back in the day

[lavish orbit]

Mayne thr 2nd time I like an oberon fashion

[dusky bane]

I've been there for his release, but I lowkey ignore prime accessories until they get into resurgence

[wary forge]

Ye

Most of mine are just from prime access or resurg ye

[solar reef]

voruna ephemera before the voruna ephemera

[dusky bane]

Neat

[solar reef]

(predating by a single month)

the armor you get is just an uglier piercing eye armor

[dusky bane]

I like vetala prime, that I've seen

[wary forge]

His shoulder plates are decent that’s about it really

[solar reef]

its just a litte too bulky for me

the leg armors pretty bad

[wary forge]

Ye

[solar reef]

but yeah the syandana is fun sometimes

i never use the armor

i bought his access back then because I thought he looked cool but I just couldnt get into his playstyle

pretty much anytime i’d use his armor i just use these shoulders instead

[wary forge]

It really did get powercrept by the voruna ephemera

That’s pretty funny

[solar reef]

i preferred the syandana since it was a little less in your face

[wary forge]

Good shoulders issue is they are used a lot

I’m ngl I don’t think they look that crazy with that fashion doesn’t really fit the theme I’m just saying

[solar reef]

its naval royalty

fits as good as it can

Tiamat my beloved

this picture also just doesnt pick up the rest of the gold

[wary forge]

That to me is the one thing that is starting out it’s not bad per say I just don’t think thy fit that well that’s all

[solar reef]

like I said, picture doesnt do it justice

theres other gold pieces that tie it in

[wary forge]

Ic

Yeah it is hard to see in the picks

[solar reef]

also the only good alternatives that give me the broad shoulders i want are either too metalic or are just outright ugly

[wary forge]

I don’t really know what you put lowkey maybe just no shoulders

[solar reef]

i want broad shoulders on it

Ts another syandana I really love

I just hardly get a good opportunity to use it

[wary forge]

Ye

It’s nice

[solar reef]

this is where most of the gold tie in is

The back of Titania’s deluxe has a ton of metalic inlay and the syandana has a large bulk ofbit around the upper torso

[wary forge]

Ic ic

It’s good better then anything I could cook up I’m lowkey a burger when it comes to fashion framing

[frosty bone]

So why is the kuva nukor the "best" primer?

[solar reef]

see?

lots more gold

thats another great subtle syandana

[lapis falcon]

or just straight up rock the new voruna wings

[solar reef]

im not a fan

ive seen a single fashion with them I like

[lapis falcon]

they do look cool tho

[solar reef]

ive not liked them on anything else

[lapis falcon]

lmao i dont even use them on voruna herself

[solar reef]

I dont use any of her prime stuff

[lapis falcon]

caliban tho

[wary forge]

The kuva Nukor?

[frosty bone]

Yeah

[solar reef]

its not the best primer

Its just really really good at it

[frosty bone]

Also are you still willing to give me those kubrow prints?

[lapis falcon]

personally i prefer the bubonico over anything else

[frosty bone]

Wait when did it autocorrect to bumper??

[lapis falcon]

if i have to use a gun primer that is

[solar reef]

also, as for why?
it has a 50% base status chance

its an aoe chaining beam with a 50% base status chance

[frosty bone]

Is there a "best"? Because I was fiddling with the Furis incarnon before this

[solar reef]

I’d say its the 3rd best secondary primer

[wary forge]

Oh yeah I can I’ll be on in like 2 hours

[solar reef]

The furis incarnon isnt a primer, it is however the highest dps weapon in the entire game

[wary forge]

Just dm on discord

[frosty bone]

To be clear this is for a Nezha build

[wary forge]

It’s a good primer yeah

[solar reef]

I’d say the best two secondary primers are eiptaph and Kompressa, with Scyotid being a fun shoutout

[frosty bone]

52% status chance...

[wary forge]

Nukor able to get a lot of fire rate and elements cause of its progenitor

[solar reef]

perfect for stacking heat + viral/corrosive, you dont use Furis to prime for 4-5 statuses though like you do a genuine primer

[wary forge]

Epitath is what I mainly use but yeah most secondary primers are gonna pretty much perform the same

[solar reef]

i like Kompressa more just because it does pump out so many stacks

[frosty bone]

Ohhhh.
Yeah no I was asking specifically for a divine retribution "primer"

It only needs heat, maybe viral

[solar reef]

oh are you just doing heat inherent

[dusky bane]

One of, not exclusively best
It's a beam, which are usually good for status
And it chains
And it has good stats overall

[solar reef]

i dont nezha so its not my ballpark

[dusky bane]

Nezha typically casts 4 and just dumps something like furis to nuke on decast

[frosty bone]

Yeah it just needs a metric f ton of heat procs and maybe some viral so it does extra damage on those heat procs

[solar reef]

just use furis atp

furis incarnon is THE heat inherent primer

thats the only thing i’d ever use it as a primer for

[wary forge]

Nezha and furis is just so gross

[solar reef]

Mainly just because its so insane at killing things on its own

[wary forge]

Nezha furis falcor that’s all u need

[dusky bane]

Furis is a top 3 secondary on its own
Nezha makes it even dumber

[frosty bone]

Falcor?

[wary forge]

Yep

[wary forge]

It’s a glaive

[solar reef]

I’d say its number 1

[dusky bane]

Dtox gives tough competition

[frosty bone]

Ah

[wary forge]

You can use furis with glaives since it’s a one handed secondary

[violet silo]

I dont think so, just cuz dual tox has better aoe stuff

[solar reef]

I prefer dual tox but the underframe statistics cant be argued with

[dusky bane]

Pure dps isn't everything

[frosty bone]

Yeah I've been messing around with the xoris

[solar reef]

Its like 62.1b dps on an optimzied setup

[violet silo]

it's simultaneously a good single target and trash clear weapon

[solar reef]

its kind of stupid

[wary forge]

Xoris works as well

[dire terrace]

best oraxia build?

[violet silo]

vs furis which is just single target

[wary forge]

Xoris is pretty much the same thing as falcor

[dusky bane]

Dtox have range and clear crowds better in practice
And feel better to use tbh

[solar reef]

its not just a single target

[dusky bane]

Also you can't melt bosses with furis

[solar reef]

Its a single target weapon that ALSO has some aoe

Like I said, I prefer the dual tox

but the furis is moving like that

[violet silo]

a tiny bit, but with low range and not much spread it's not very good at that

[frosty bone]

Well yeah but there's another weapon slot, Burston prime incarnon is for single target

[violet silo]

power isnt just damage

[deep grotto]

I feel like there’s something out there that allows you reflect damage and status effects onto enemies but ion know what it is

[violet silo]

why would you use furis and burston

[solar reef]

the humble decoy

[frosty bone]

Because I'm playing nezha.
Furis is for the spears nuke
Burston is for single target

[solar reef]

(this is his subsume btw and its reflect scales with strength)

[deep grotto]

:0

Loker….

[solar reef]

This also lets you use Impetus on any frame

its a fun subsume every now and the

its a great subsume for Nyx

[dusky bane]

just saying
there's no straight number 1 imo
laetum furis and dtox make up the top 3 and I wouldn't order them

[solar reef]

i’d put ocu ahead of Laetum

ocucor is pretty insane

[versed harbor]

its just a use case thing

[frosty bone]

Also I'm playing nezha, just for thematic reasons why play with dual toxica when I could have fire

[wary forge]

On it’s own it’s good ocucor really only truly insane on certain frames

[bitter dove]

If Im mr9 and I'm alr done with the story, what's the best melee weapon I can use rn for steel path?

[solar reef]

My list would be, from #1 to #5, Furis, Dual Tox, Ocucor, Laetum, K. Nukor.
Honorable mention is Tenet Plinx

[wary forge]

Xoris

[frosty bone]

Is anemic agility good on something meant to be a primer?

[wary forge]

Wait falcor is mr8

Go falcor then

[wary forge]

Ye it’s good

[versed harbor]

ye anemic is good in general but lethal torrent also cooks

[frosty bone]

I don't think I have that

[bitter dove]

I'm using the syam rn but I don't have build for it. Yet.

[wary forge]

Ye

Syam is good

[solar reef]

Syam my beloved

[bitter dove]

So have I heard

[solar reef]

multiCO melee projectile lol

so goated

[bitter dove]

So should I stay on it and make a solid build or upgrade, if there's an upgrade. Aside from the xoris or whatever it's called I'm not using ts

[bitter dove]

Daym

[solar reef]

i mean syam is genuinely one one of the best melee weapons

if you enjoy it go balls to the walls on a heavy spam build

heres my setup

[astral tinsel]

it's a fairly common nightmare mod (about 15.5% from highest tier nightmare missions)

[solar reef]

Exposure for the arcane

[bitter dove]

Hmmmm, I'll look into it. I alr have a build, got it from a good fellow here

[solar reef]

whats on the riven

[bitter dove]

Not my build I'm not sure

[solar reef]

guh

[frosty bone]

Is stunning speed good?

[bitter dove]

[wary forge]

I could give you one I think I have like 3 extras from doing the follie event

[solar reef]

if its not an elec riven I would ignore that build

[astral tinsel]

not really, no

[bitter dove]

Is this offer for me?

[wary forge]

Nah I was talking to @frosty bone about lethal torrent

[frosty bone]

Oh thanks

[solar reef]

im a little biased so I recommend using Galv Reflex and droping BR and WW

[bitter dove]

I'm gonna take a guess and say it's a fire or nuclear build

[astral tinsel]

unless you need close to 40% reload speed and want status chance on top

[solar reef]

you dont get fire off of that

Thats a blast setup

[bitter dove]

Ah

[solar reef]

if the riven has elec its an influence nuke setup

[dusky bane]

hell nah

[pallid quiver]

what do u subsume over

[dusky bane]

ocu needs platform frame to scale

[solar reef]

i dont know I dont play nyx i just hear its baller

[pallid quiver]

get rid of her 4 :>

[solar reef]

so does sobek but the results cant be ignored

[dusky bane]

ye, but I wouldn't call sobek the best when it's only good on 2 frames out of 64

[wary forge]

Ye stunning speed is pretty niche

[bitter dove]

Well do you think I could get em mods for some plats? I'm definitely not farming for em, if they were hard that is

[solar reef]

“2 frames”

also, 4 of these frames are within the top 5 kpm rates on overframe thanks to sobek

If it were good on every frame i’d put Ocucor at #1

I gave it the benefit and lowered it to 3

[wary forge]

In theory it’s universally slotable on any frame with roar/xatas at that point just use a melee with influence tbh

[dusky bane]

oraxia is just way worse saryn
uriel isn't consistent enough
the rest are also fairly underwhelming

only cyte and sayrn are worth rocking

[wary forge]

I don’t really see a reason to Sobek on anything other then cyte

[solar reef]

they all make acid shells one shot at level cap

i dont really get your point

i dont know about uriel so scratch him

[frosty bone]

With galvanized shot and stunning speed you can get up to 109.2 status chance
Edit: on the Furis incarnon

[dusky bane]

even if that was true, I can't say a weapon's top 3 if it isn't good on EVERY frame

and I do mean EVERY

[pallid quiver]

if we going that deep into the meta just slap on nekros with roar and call it a day

[solar reef]

thats just shortsighted and discrediting

[dusky bane]

imagine if cyte only gave heat
for a couple seconds
randomly spawned as a pickuppable
couple seconds after an enemy dies, WHERE the enemy died

[solar reef]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825417824729956395/1143219724969312367/mew.gif

[pallid quiver]

wait not nekros

[dusky bane]

it's being objective
I can't call a weapon top tier unless I can pick it up regardless of the rest of the loadout

[pallid quiver]

rev

[dusky bane]

it REQUIRING a frame makes it niche

[astral tinsel]

on furis incarnon you can get much better than 30% SC per slot

[pallid quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-anime-round-and-round-anime-girl-gif-14800721

[frosty bone]

Yeah but the reload sucks and getting SC to 100% is nice. That's the only reason I was looking at it.

[solar reef]

I’d say its top tier if in its best use it literally map clears at any content level at 100% scaling ehp damage

Like saying “well its only good on some frames” like yeah so what

[slate vale]

Ah cool didn't know xata counted, might have to put that on my sobekreli

[solar reef]

thats called optimization

[novel bear]

Most weapons are good on any frame

[solar reef]

you shouldnt count incarnons either since thats not a part of the base weapon

[dusky bane]

cause it's under average and just a generic bad shotgun on 60 warframes

[novel bear]

The incarnon is part of the weapon
The frame is not

[solar reef]

and its the best weapon in the wntire game on the frames that do like it

[astral tinsel]

you can get 60% SC and 60% elemental damage and there are 4 mods like that

[solar reef]

Once again, be happy I dont put it or Ocucor at my generalist #1 spot

[dusky bane]

on all 2 💀

[solar reef]

I dropped it to 3 simply for the convenience

[dusky bane]

ocucor is in the same bucket

nowhere near top 3, it can't contest any of them

[solar reef]

shows list
continues to say 2 despite being shows otherwise

[wary forge]

It’s reload isn’t that bad and if u want reload just go pistol elementalist for more damage with the heat procs an reload

[astral tinsel]

also, pistol elementalist gives 60% reload speed, which makes it the 2nd best secondary reload mod - and you'll definitely want elementalist on a status build

[solar reef]

and i dont put them at #1 for that very reason
but you know damn well in its setups the only thing in the game that out KPM’s it is Seva nuke

[dusky bane]

have you tried all of them from that list?
only 2 are consistently good enough

[pallid quiver]

what about tenet envoy?

is that one good? it was like the most used weapon last year

[wary forge]

Yep elementalist is pretty much core on furis anyway

[frosty bone]

Where would I go to find elementalist?

[novel bear]

Ocucor is just worse nukor

[astral tinsel]

eh, not really

[wary forge]

I think it’s dropped by some corpus units it’s not that expensive like 5-10p on wfm

[dusky bane]

for acid shells
oraxia's just saryn, but bad
uriel's cyte, but less consistent and more annoying for any non-defense mission
xaku is copium cause the proc doesn't do damage and that's what you need for the mod to work
to be fair, I haven't tried garuda, but I can't imagine the slash proc doing THAT much
sonar and Mprime I know aren't all that

[pallid quiver]

is it not ascension?

[slate vale]

Base lato is better than all of them fr

[astral tinsel]

ascension (the jade game mode)

[frosty bone]

Uriel is nothing like cyte what???

[solar reef]

within regards to acid shells

[dusky bane]

it's heat resupply, but worse

[astral tinsel]

there's an endemic type of moa there that drops it (along with cannonade mods)

[frosty bone]

Oh when just talking about shells

[dusky bane]

ye, context was acid shells

[pallid quiver]

btw can someone drop their furis build? i dont think i have elementalist on mine lol

[wary forge]

Ye that’s it

[solar reef]

but yeah its just gonna be back and forth and we’ll never agree

You have to be wrong so I can be right

https://tenor.com/view/chud-chudjak-shush-quiet-be-quiet-gif-6099369941990730874

[novel bear]

If the weapon requires a frame to work, it’s the frame that’s good, not the weapon

[frosty bone]

Depends on what you're using it for

[solar reef]

if the frame cant do it without that said weapon, is it really the frame

its a synergy

[dusky bane]

the COMBO is good
the weapon itself isn't

[solar reef]

optimization is optimization

we’re just gonna have to agree to disagree here

[dusky bane]

sobek without the couple frames that make acid shells good is just a generic shotgun
and not a good one at that

[solar reef]

yeah i’m not denying that

[pallid quiver]

killing, is there any other use for it?

[solar reef]

But being so unbelievably strong on those setups cant be ignored

[wary forge]

Pure heat and viral heat

[novel bear]

Saryn can kill anything with any weapon
Same with cyte
Less true about sobek

[dusky bane]

if the gun is bad on 60 frames, it's not a top 3 gun

that's it, that's the entire thing

[solar reef]

not to the extent that it does with Sobek

[pallid quiver]

i can replace gambit with crit decel right i dont have ppg

[marble marten]

What stats should I look for in a Riven mod for Dark Sword?

[dusky bane]

why are you trying to use a dark sword

[frosty bone]

Well yes for killing but for example, I'm using it for nezha's divine retribution.
My build will be completely different from the standard.

[solar reef]

he bought into the moug bait

[novel bear]

Budget slam build

[solar reef]

tragic day

[novel bear]

Just use mire

[dusky bane]

just get a better weapon, not like slam builds are that expensive

[solar reef]

bro got moug’d

[slate vale]

Combo count chance on slide attack

[wary forge]

Heaven foray, practiced grip,elemental balance seem evos for both builds

[solar reef]

content creator created a huge hype train around it using number sheets to monopolize on the riven market for it

[pallid quiver]

oh fair, im probably gonna use mine with that too but i kinda wna just do general use melter too

is pure heat or viral heat more effective on furis?

[frosty bone]

Viral heat

[dusky bane]

I remember that
lowkey should have been banned from WFM that was borderline market manipulation

[pallid quiver]

and @wary forge for the viral build what goes in the empty slot

[solar reef]

Dark Sword rivens went through the roof for a while

[novel bear]

Is moug the one with that shitty wisp shock mote build?

[solar reef]

it IS a good slam weapon but I feel bad for people going into it

[slate vale]

Radiation is also cool if you can get secondary irradiate. Not the ideal choice but it makes fun builds

[wary forge]

What ever really

[wary forge]

Viral is better if you’re not using a dmg buff like roar or nourish

If you ur using something like that then just go pure heat

[marble marten]

I've been using the Rakta Dark Dagger for years lol

[pallid quiver]

speaking of magnetic damage, i run mine with magnetic cuz it helps proc one of the incarnon buffs

if im not running magnetic for that then what should i swap the buff for

[slate vale]

Oh rakta is actually pretty cool, maybe go for smt like finisher damage if you're built with covert lethality

[marble marten]

Im loki main

Dagger+Loki= sexy

[astral tinsel]

why wouldn't you run magnetic when magnetic might is a thing

unless you also skip galv shot

[wary forge]

Just more dmg or something like an augur mod to help your wf live it doesn’t really any more dmg tbh

Lifesteal mod is also good depending on your frame

[crisp pine]

Anyone tried using cyte09 with ivarva quiver?

[slate vale]

Quiver go kthunk.... Bwowowowow.... Kthunk... Bwooooowp

[crisp pine]

I wondering as keep evade up is kind bad at the moment

[slate vale]

Are you shooting heads?

[modest vector]

does anybody have a kullervo build i can have im looking for something like a max investment in him

[crisp pine]

Yes and no. In solo play, this completely fine but with other players it become nigh impossible as some people bring frames that nuke next room over.

[velvet pulsar]

If everyone is getting nuked, then there's no one to kill u, then there's no need for invisibility.

[crisp pine]

Some enemies a shot off sometimes and you just die lmao. Also, why hell would bring cyte09 if everything ia dead? Dante would be better if i want to be support.

[wary forge]

He’s saying like ur already killing the entire map as cyte

[fierce lark]

this is very debatable in some contexts, like the example with sobek

[wary forge]

It can be hard to Upkeeping evade in squads really just use it to cleanse CC or if u get like swarmed for some reason

[fierce lark]

sobek is an okayish mid shotgun without something like lash or resupply to break it, sure

but at the same time, there is nothing in the game weapons wise that does what acid shells does to the same capacity

the weapon is situational and not generically amazing, but the situations in when it's functioning at its best turns itself into a level scaling chaining nuke that isn't replicable by anything else

[marble marten]

My toxocyst incarnon build, What do you think?

[crisp pine]

I mostly build my cyte09 with idea that i would be stealth the entire time but i guess its just another frame with frastruating ability.

[wary forge]

Nah it depends on what your using really and if you’re solo or squads in solo it’s a lot easier to keep evade up

If you’re Sobek acid shells you’re not going to be getting that many headshots the electric can headshot but that’s about it really

[dusky bane]

seems fine

could probably run deadhead over merciless, but that's preference

[fierce lark]

looks fine, mag might is slightly redundant and could be swapped for anemic agility or expel if you'd prefer, -recoil exilus isn't overly helpful as it should already have 0 recoil with evos, deadhead would be a lot better than merciless

[dusky bane]

I can consistently upkeep evade solo with sobek, you actually get a lot of headshots

[crisp pine]

It was going to be mixed of the two. Also, i would like in stealth due to cyte-09 being less durable in general so it presume that i would need be stealth lot.

[slate vale]

Tbh just use his 1 and shoot into rooms they haven't nuked yet. Ez money

[fierce lark]

if i can upkeep evade with bramma in mp, acid shells in solo probably does it easily

[frosty bone]

I wonder why there is only 60/60 compound elemental mods for radiation and magnetic

[tidal parrot]

galv cross hairs instead of bullseye mby, in theory its just more crit and no fire rate negative

[crisp pine]

Whatever squad you have. You must be eating well.

[uncut olive]

Anyone have a good build for Uriel?

[slate vale]

Yareli doesn't need a squad fr

[uncut olive]

Made it like that for now

[tidal parrot]

person with 100 forma yareli prime as their user name, is glazing Yareli prime? yea makes sense (not disagreeing that shes good tho)

[fierce lark]

im guessing they're hesitant to release universal sources of other elements due to power

[vagrant fern]

any thoughts on this riven?

[slate vale]

I will never stop glazing Yareli

[crisp pine]

Speaking of which what the hell do with yareli o_o

[fierce lark]

radiation is a mid status and mid damage type, magnetic is a good but niche status and a pretty mid damage type

[tidal parrot]

you mean having all 5 mixed elements be moddable as single mods would be really good

i think we should allow every weapon to run viral corrosive gas heat with no reprecussions

[slate vale]

Enemies die, I ride funny jellyfish, profit

[frosty bone]

Depends on whether or not you like k-drives

[crisp pine]

I do not want the k drive

[fierce lark]

being able to get corrosive/viral for 1 slot on any weapon would likely completely overhaul how every weapon is modded

[frosty bone]

Loyal meralina augment

[tidal parrot]

wording is killing you 😭

i love the term glazing tho

[versed harbor]

give us a 1 slot viral mod but it also gives a pointless 200% impact

[fierce lark]

also 1 slot viral/corrosive would significantly boost the power of rivens, which is probably something they don't want

[tidal parrot]

thank god you cant mod ips onto weapons that dont have them

[frosty bone]

How would it boost the power of rivens?

[versed harbor]

GULP

[fierce lark]

we're at a point where the last 1-2 slots on a lot of weapons are kinda sorta filler

[violet silo]

I think I'd go:
Dual tox, Furis, Laetum, Knukor, Ocucor

[fierce lark]

if you allow 1 slot viral you free up another slot which could be filled with a riven

[marble marten]

I just saw this, Savior Decoy is absolute garbage, plus you already have the safeguard

[tidal parrot]

would also mean having elements on rivens is less needed/usefull meaning you can keep rolling for rivens that dont have elements and only the other stats

[fierce lark]

weapons with low disposition in particular have trouble slotting rivens because it's very difficult to get enough stats to be worth a slot

the more slots get free'd up by other mods combining, the more room there is to stick a riven in it

[novel bear]

One slot blast wouldn’t be that strong

[tidal parrot]

would free up a slot on blast torid

[viscid bane]

Does -attack speed kill it?

[fierce lark]

riven elementals as is is mostly reserved for influence melees that want +elec -ips or weapons with horrendous disposition, to try and get 1 slot viral/corrosive with low weighting

[tidal parrot]

i feel like 1 slot gas probably wouldnt be to bad tho assuming they keep neglecting gas being bugged

[novel bear]

Gas benefits damage wise

[fierce lark]

when a mod says "gas" it suddenly buffs the damage of gas procs

[novel bear]

Blast doesn’t

[fierce lark]

blast only cares about your base damage and other multipliers, and does nothing with elementals

[tidal parrot]

fair enough, is it gas doesnt mix with toxin heat combination as well? and only scales with things that say "gas"

[fierce lark]

correct

like the vesper augment and valence formation's 200% will buff gas damage, but running bigger toxin/heat mods does not

[tidal parrot]

gas meta 2026 with gas 1 slot mod give it time to shine

[marble marten]

Loki build with Roar

[fierce lark]

i would say safeguard switch is redundant unless you're using it on teammates intentionally

[cedar plume]

Is this a good build I'm mr 9

I just maxed out quick thinking and flow

[violet silo]

not really

[cedar plume]

Any tips

[tidal parrot]

would probably say to swap quick thinking and streamline for duration and range mods but like tbh its probably fine enough to get you through most of the content till you get better/access to more stuff

[novel bear]

Intensify

[violet silo]

they have uintensify

[cedar plume]

It's in two intesify

[tidal parrot]

best thing to do would be to get corrupted mods tbh and just work on getting better arcanes for actual upgrades and then ofc primed mods but those are baro stuff which come and go

[cedar plume]

Umbral*

[cedar plume]

I don't know how to get corrupted mods

[tidal parrot]

vaults on deimos

[cedar plume]

Ok

And it's my old arcane I haven't changed them

[tidal parrot]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Orokin_Vault

theres probably some videos or smthn on how to find them easily but you can also use recruit chat if you dont feel like putting on all 4 keys

[cedar plume]

I was looking for this for something else

[tidal parrot]

as far as arcanes the best arcanes you will get will likely be from either zaramin or 1999 (unlocked via the hex quest) if you dont know what either of those are/dont see them in the story missions then that means you should focus more on progressing the story than the build you got

theres also some decent arcanes from sactum atomica which iirc is right before 1999 in terms of progression

[cedar plume]

I got both of the places

I have all main story's complete

[tidal parrot]

ok bet

[somber frost]

Hey, I'm making a build and I'm just curious what weapon wins as far as melee crit damage multiplier alone. Every time I ask Google it just gives me a list of weapons with high crit chance.

[tidal parrot]

focus on getting molt augmented from zaramin and then theres a handfull of decent arcanes, if your looking for more melee focused then you can farm eidolons but realistically it would be easier to wait for an operation or get some via trading. if your not looking for melee focused then arcanes from like 1999 / old peace stuff are probably decent secondary slot in such as 60% durtaion or surviability arcanes.

for your melee kinda up to you but influence is just generically super strong

[mild prism]

Are there any particular warframes that pair well with sampotes?

[tidal parrot]

if you want high melee crit damage then its probably the ceramic dagger with a melee doughty build but tbh all ining on just cd is typically not good but ig if ur using kurllevo you can get away with it

[mild prism]

Vauban is nice right now since he can group all the enemies in one spot but I’d like to see what others think

[tidal parrot]

wrathful advance 💀 (kullervo... the melee frame guy)

otherwise any frame that gives damage buffs will just be generically good

[mild prism]

Ah ok

Is wrathful advance his ability ?

[quiet laurel]

saryn

[cedar plume]

Have you got any melee weapons surgestions I should look to get

[tidal parrot]

yea but its also a subsume

[mild prism]

Ohhhh

[tidal parrot]

your playing wukong, you have a built in melee weapon

[somber frost]

Im more so just curious what melee weapon has the the highest crit. Not really looking for a paring.

[mild prism]

Might subsume it unless I find the rest of his kit fun

[quiet laurel]

since sampotes waves dont get affected by combo multi you want to hyperbuff them

[cedar plume]

But it drains energy really fast

And I'm not tryna main him I'm waiting for my jade to be finished and I'm tryna get Nokko

[tidal parrot]

kill harder ig? you should ideally have plenty of energy if you just murderize everything with it

[cedar plume]

Ok

[tidal parrot]

idk i like xoris a lot but then again most melees are usable because influence is just that strong

[cedar plume]

Wdym

[tidal parrot]

melee influince is a 20(30? i forget) meter aoe that spreads all statuses deals damage and has no LoS

you just mod for electric, mabey prime something with a few elements with a primer/sentinel or whatever then smack them with your melee and just about everything dies

[fierce lark]

vinquibus

[tidal parrot]

would it not be ceramic dagger with melee doughty? i saw a dude legit yesterday get it up to like 54x Crit damage

[fierce lark]

dual zoren has the same base crit damage but less crit chance and less base damage

if you're looking for the absolute highest crit damage possible then it's probably some dagger ie ceramic with doughty

but that requires a very specific build

unsure what op wants

[tidal parrot]

i think they were just wanting to know highest CD possible but also not 100% sure

[cedar plume]

This ok for wukong staff

Or this

[tidal parrot]

id say to go wtih viral elec instead of modding for slash and impact and then put on like organ shater as well or smthn condition overload should be fine to keep as well

[cedar plume]

Ok

[dusky bane]

just do influence

[cedar plume]

I can't do viral and elc cuz they both use cold

[tidal parrot]

electric is just shocking touch

[quiet laurel]

are we like

[tidal parrot]

L tier rage bait 😭

[quiet laurel]

idk what to say, dont wanna be rude

[dusky bane]

what did I just read

[cedar plume]

Oh I can't read

[sonic folio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1482804454318149802/1492925844279267590/GifMeme21380831032026.gif

[cedar plume]

I thought you was talking about magnetic

[tidal parrot]

hopesque coming in to post a gif and nothing else my goat

it always brings me so much joy to see hopesque post a gif 😔

[sonic folio]

Me every time i see devs idling by making stuff like hotfixes instead adding mesa heirloom

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-so-confusing-liam-gallagher-oasis-gif-4277974339249990382

mesa heirloom needs to sit on the backburner until they confirm a poncho is coming with it

[dusky bane]

REAL

[novel bear]

Lavos or garuda to force proc statuses with afflictions

[solar reef]

Voruna another phenomenal choice

[mild prism]

Thinking I’ll subsume kurvello and replace vaubans first ability

[runic apex]

my gyre prime doesn't quite have enough survivability and gets kind of shredded in steel path

[solar reef]

throw adaptation away and throw Cata Shields in there

[runic apex]

I don't quite have enough mod capacity without throwing another forma on there

[solar reef]

Gyre’s best friend is shield gating

[runic apex]

I'll throw away reach for now

[solar reef]

Cata shields needs an augur mod or brief respite

taking away augur to slot cata shields defeats the purpose of slotting it to begin with

[runic apex]

ok reworked to this

belicose is only on there because I have no good arcanes

[solar reef]

get aegis

also impetus isnt helping you at all on gyre

Unless theres some secret gyre tech i dont know about, you’re only getting one or two stacks of impetus

[runic apex]

makes sense

[solar reef]

At R5 augmented is 60% ability strength

aegis is just comfortable for shield gating

[dusky bane]

get good arcanes

[runic apex]

I'll grind aegis then

[compact cypress]

survivability wise is rolling guard/circumvent anough for mirage?

[dusky bane]

buy one
it's like 5-10p

[runic apex]

what rank is best to aim for

[dusky bane]

any is enough

the proc itself is what you want, the level's irrelevant

[compact cypress]

dont sleep on circumvent gyre

granted its prob redundent using aegis + circumvent but its made her basically unkillable

[runic apex]

ok got it, any other arcanes that are decent

[dusky bane]

quite a few, depending on the frame

[runic apex]

for gyre

[solar reef]

you’re mainly looking at aegis
molt augmented would be the other generic slot-in arcane

as its 60% ability strength at max stacks

[gleaming oasis]

how crazy can the dual coda torxica get?

[dusky bane]

pretty good, but they'll still end up being a "dtox at home"

[gleaming oasis]

I got it when they had the 60% one avalible I fugured i better put it to good use

[tranquil laurel]

i don’t have a verglas riven, is there any other companion weapons i can use to proc tenacious bond?

[runic apex]

new build

bit better but I need slightly better shield gating

[mighty flare]

you could could replace streamline & precision int with fast deflection & vigilante vigor for better lazy gating

[runic apex]

how does this look?

[mighty flare]

you'd want vigilante vigor, not fortitude

[runic apex]

well rip that forma then I guess

[mighty flare]

replace fortitude with augur reach and put vigilante vigor in open spot

[runic apex]

I'll give it a go thanks

[gleaming oasis]

how does this look?

[runic apex]

ok build does still not have quite enough survivability

[mighty flare]

sounds like a skill problem, genuinely, like half the build is survivability
could add vazarin focus or vulpa companions to help ig

[runic apex]

probably a skill issue yeah

[mighty flare]

is this for like base sp?

[runic apex]

I'm on jupiter

shield gating might just not work for me

[mighty flare]

oh

then you can totally just shield tank if ur early on

[mighty flare]

can try this: #1477881092093640827 message

the shield-tank one

[fierce lark]

ye

[gleaming oasis]

how does one mod for the xoris and other glaive weapons. Is it just the john influence build?

[gleaming vapor]

more heavy spam than 12x tennokai tho

[fierce lark]

circumvent on its own can probably do it most of the time, but adding rg protects the overguard from whatever eximus you stole it from and adding careen makes it slower and freezes anything around it without og

[runic apex]

got it working, just need a little time to build up my energy and then it's fine

[mighty flare]

i recommend using preparation then

[fierce lark]

john influence with volatile rebound/quick return instead of reach, and something useful instead of attack speed

[viscid bane]

Is this the right setup for priming vulpy?

[cedar plume]

How do you get mods for a vulpy

[fierce lark]

radon claws over cull

[vocal tendon]

anyone got a really good xaku prime build?

[viscid bane]

Wouldnt Burning claws convert rad to heat anyway?

[fierce lark]

no

combined elements don't get converted by ele claws

[compact cypress]

this arca plasmor any good? havent touched the build in a bit

[frosty bone]

(Reminder that this is a Furis incarnon build specifically for priming the nezha divine retribution nuke)

I need to get some more forma and fully rank up some of the mods but what do you think?

[maiden cargo]

how much str is ermmm arcane impetsu at max?

[fierce lark]

78%

[compact cypress]

nvm this is prob a better build

[runic apex]

nvm I am totally just playing wrong

[maiden cargo]

ty

[cedar plume]

Where do you get mods for a vulpy

[gleaming oasis]

how does this look for a ttorxica build?

[fierce lark]

cannonade plasmor feels like absolute shit, do not recommend

[compact cypress]

barrage instead then?

[fierce lark]

yeye

[compact cypress]

kk other than that nothing worth the change?

[fierce lark]

you can put ppb over charged shell or chilling grasp to make stacking merciless easier, or add reload speed/mag size

[mighty flare]

hard to fit other elements on furis nezha, he usually runs nourish + arcane precision for that

• want lethal torrent over anemic
• crit chance & crit dmg over viral
• scorch/hornet strike over mag might

[fierce lark]

it has enough base cc to not need enervate, ppg/bullseye + deadhead/flare would likely be better and would definitely feel a lot better

obligatory mention of pistol pestilence

[frosty bone]

I don't need crit.
And I'm not planning on using nourish

[fierce lark]

why dont you want crit

[frosty bone]

Because it's not supposed to be doing a bunch of damage. And status procks don't crit

[fierce lark]

...

[mighty flare]

what

[fierce lark]

both of those are wrong

[versed harbor]

💀

[novel bear]

If you’re using it for nezha nuke
You want it doing damage

[mighty flare]

how'd you strike out twice in 1 sentence

[frosty bone]

As I mentioned before I'm using Furis to stack a bunch of fire/viral procs on my divine retribution

[novel bear]

Status procs benefit from crit

Read the wiki please

[mighty flare]

yes and thats how you build furis nezha

every status ever benefits from crit

[frosty bone]

Since when do the fire ticks benefit from crits?

[novel bear]

Since forever

[fierce lark]

status dots are calculated using multipliers from the shot that inflicts them

one of those multipliers is your crit

[fierce lark]

a way to look at status damage is "my status will do damage based on how much damage the bullet does"

[mighty flare]

this is the same for EVERY dot in warframe

[fierce lark]

it's not entirely the case because the elemental status only cares about the matching elemental damage in question, but everything else like the base damage, faction damage, crit damage, status damage, and even the body part multiplier all factor into how much dot you get

[novel bear]

And blast and slash don’t care about elemental damage

[frosty bone]

I wasn't told about crits effecting fire ticks

[fierce lark]

the dot itself won't crit, but the calculation of the dot's ticks will factor in your crit chance and crit damage

[frosty bone]

Does it calculate how much damage each tick would do including their crit chance and damage when you do the slam?

[fierce lark]

thats why pretty much every gun that has a workable crit chance number uses crit even if it does damage primarily via status procs

[frosty bone]

Or is it rolled once for the slam?

[fierce lark]

yes, because heat inherit is a thing. as soon as you inflict a heat proc on something, all multipliers from the first heat proc will apply to all further heat procs

[frosty bone]

That's not the question I asked

[fierce lark]

oh idk what you're asking then

[novel bear]

It’s the damage of the procs

Crit is already included

Why wouldn’t it be?