builds-discussion

[solar reef]

it would kind of suck if that was the case

[frozen grail]

havent used either of those so ill give them a try! thanks for the help

[eternal prism]

Secret tech

[mighty flare]

It’s correct term

[viscid bane]

huh. Ive only seen "flat" used

[mighty flare]

Tho flat is easier to understand so it’s used often

[solar reef]

Isnt WA literally 1 for 1 with ability strength as a subsume

like its 100% + (Ability Strength%)

?

[hard sparrow]

Threw it on a seperate build I’ll see how it works out

[viscid bane]

I asked here the other day about melee primers and got laughted at. But now you reminded me that Vastilok exists and I feel validated

Gotta get it next time when Baro brings it

[eternal prism]

This should just multiply. Like everyone else, if I'm not mistaken. But if it's 100, it looks like addition

[chrome cedar]

Is roar useful for Valkyr?

[eternal prism]

I saw some other skill where it was 10

[eternal prism]

Why not

[viscid bane]

I kinda prefer her base kit tbh

[chrome cedar]

I'm just starting to use subsumes in my build but idk which ones are better for my frames

[chrome cedar]

Paralysis is kinda useless honestly

[eternal prism]

If u want roar it fine

[viscid bane]

but roar/WA are both validoptions

[viscid bane]

I use it to stack exposure

[chrome cedar]

Fair

[eternal prism]

U already have red crits u not need more
It more then enough for one shot lvl cap demolisher without priming

(50m damage with demolisher armor and resist)

[viscid bane]

Curious about your Valk setup. Currently running this (1 cast speed 4 purple crit). I'm aware it's not optimal but it's comfy

[eternal prism]

Im not use influence cuz 10% status chance

And I'm not on my pc right now, so I can't show you

[viscid bane]

I do have exposure variant

[eternal prism]

Ww not need
Again base 10% status chance

It's hard when a weapon has 4 different statuses

Bane bettee cuz it multiplicative with 3rd skill

If u not want bane u can use another base damage mod
Or attack speed idk

[viscid bane]

Can you DM me your build once you're able to? I really wanna have a look at it but it's also late here and I want to sleep @eternal prism

[opaque meadow]

which braton variant should i use for the incarnon: prime or vandal?

[viscid bane]

Prime

[agile wagon]

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[severe bough]

just use ppp over weeping or faction mod

influence can still work cuz its busted i personally prefer the raw dmg variant

[craggy niche]

so what do i need to make a raksa kubrow unkillable

wasn't meant to be a reply but if you have the answer shoot lol

[violet silo]

over crit dmg would be better

shards can do crit dmg

[severe bough]

yes tho ww does little to nothing on that build before i replace cd mods i rather replace that

[violet silo]

ww increases chance of toxin or corrosive proc

[rugged brook]

Anyone knowing anything about Khora know can help me with a whipclaw build

[eternal prism]

Influence

[severe bough]

u kill everything befor there´s even tox DoT applied

and even if it would

[eternal prism]

Valkyre one shot any lvl any enemy by raw damage

She not need any status

[rocky aurora]

And...ww on a weapon with 10% base sc 🤷‍♂️

[violet silo]

at high combo that’s pretty decent sc

[eternal prism]

60%

😭

[rocky aurora]

Rather build for the weapon's strengths than one of its biggest weaknesses tbh

[violet silo]

i’d say that’s decent

[severe bough]

at that point just build influ claws🥀

[rocky aurora]

Real

[eternal prism]

For 4 status in weapon?

[violet silo]

anyways, status helps with killing on follow through hits, which means grouped enemies can be one shot.

[eternal prism]

How do you plan to use this?

I don't know in what universe valkyrie doesn't one-shot everything

I tested even without shards so...

[rocky aurora]

Valkyr claws have 100% follow through

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1491492139639509125.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=uma_67&lossless=true

[gray quarry]

mods.

[eternal prism]

No pls

[severe bough]

https://tenor.com/view/67-6767-676767-cat67-cat-gif-18345003009543756801

[rocky aurora]

Cowbarfluence for sure is good in the majority of quick attack weapons, but there's nuance to many others

[gray quarry]

Mods, steal this tennos hands

[eternal prism]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/570702413086851083/1139234893994393610/shakeshakeshake.gif

[primal tangle]

wich should i pick

[fierce lark]

right

unless you mostly use it for dark sector resource farms then you can do left

reload speed in place of cd is a decent roll and -zoom is bis

[violet silo]

ah. guess it’s best to cut weeping wounds then, but idk if it’s worth it to have two crit dmg mods on top of galv steel and however many shards.

[solar reef]

keep rolling though for sure

[fierce lark]

you could stop rolling, cc ms rls -zoom is 1 stat from groll and very few rolls will be better

rls is a great stat on incarnons

[rocky aurora]

I personally dont use valkyr so I don't know the crit tier cutoffs, but typically this is fine because each crit tier doubles your crit damage.

Definitely could be something else to minmax it, but im no valkyr expert and im also not near a computer to do a dps calc 🤷‍♂️

[eternal prism]

Secret slam mod

[fierce lark]

my claws have ww for winfluence

because influence built claws kill 99% of enemies in the same amount of hits as pfs exposure claws

[violet silo]

I think it might just be more effective to run another tox mod for the base dmg

[fierce lark]

actually thats not true

if you're running high range ripline grouping (like i am), status influence does way more damage than raw exposure

[rocky aurora]

Peakfluence at it again

[violet silo]

yeah but boring

influence goes on everything anyways

[fierce lark]

what part about it is boring

build A presses ripline and kills everything, or holds E and kills everything

build B presses ripline and kills everything, or holds E and kills everything

how is one more or less fun than the other

[rocky aurora]

Because it's influence 😭

(Furis/falcor enjoyer btw)

[violet silo]

it’s boring to build tbh

[fierce lark]

i'll never understand how people can argue that influence is boring when it makes 0 changes to your playstyle whatsoever, the only thing that changes is you kill enemies faster

if you think it makes the game too easy then i guess, but like...that's kinda just the nature of games like this lol, at some point your progression out-scales the game's difficulty

[violet silo]

i’m just tired of making every melee one of like 3 builds

I want to mess around

[fierce lark]

do nira's seismic animosity with a tennokai stick

dmg cap tennokai heavies

[barren gale]

I need Prey of Dynar for me build on Voruna but not rank 5.

[fierce lark]

why would you want it to be not rank 5

[gray quarry]

I heard valkyrs claws and melee influence in the same sentence

[violet silo]

I’ll try it. her neutral heavy is slam right?

[fierce lark]

ye

im taking this piss i have no idea if that actually comes close to dmg cap

but it sounds hilarious to do

[violet silo]

I haven’t been able to damage cap yet so im expecting this to get me closer

WAIT WITH THE NEW TENNOKAI MOD?

hysteria gives status immunity

[craggy niche]

anyone got a nice build for kubrow claws?

[violet silo]

so fails do nothing

[tidal parrot]

whats the difference between the status resistance from voruna's 2 (hold) and just straight up status immunity?

[violet silo]

afaik the only difference is that voruna can’t status cleanse

[solar reef]

It IS straight up status immunity

Including knockdown and lift

[civic kraken]

Ive got a doozy of a build. Dont know if its well known since I havnt realy seen it talked about. Yareli, with dual coda torxica uaing arcane velocity, and arcane precision. Also using loyal merilina to stop the unwanted k drive mechanics.

[drifting hare]

How do I build Chroma?

[tidal parrot]

ik that, its just it says satus resistance and then makes you like 100% resist all status effects which is the same thing as immunity 😭

[tidal parrot]

do you want to persistance tank? or do you want to shield tank?

[solar reef]

its just a wording choice

dont think too hard on it

[drifting hare]

Persistence?

[tidal parrot]

just to be clear (i be tweaking 😭), are you asking what persistance is or for how to build chroma for persistence

[violet silo]

health tank, essentially

[drifting hare]

Ohh

Hmm, well what's the difference between a health tank and a shield tank other than the bar each use?

[violet silo]

how you regain health

/shields

[tidal parrot]

health tank caps the amount of damage you task to 500 / sec and then you just out heal that, shield tank iirc is more lazy shield gate than anything

[drifting hare]

Hmm ig shield tanking

[tidal parrot]

i personally prefer health tank chroma since as long as you are playing the game you litterely cant die (assuming you dont walk into a nulifier bubble)

[drifting hare]

Hmm

Well how about I try both to see how they play?

[tidal parrot]

this is someone elses shield tank chroma

and this is my persistence tank chroma

[drifting hare]

Does the last ability have to be subsimed? Cuz I need him to be a money farm

[tidal parrot]

nope, you typically subsume over his 1 or 4, i keep his 1 cuz i like being able to swap between my elemental wards but for health tanking you want heat ward the most so you can set it to that with energy

the build i have here doesnt even really need the subsume like 90% of the time because guardian armour heals enough already however you can also use other sources of healing as well

chroma's number 1 stat that he wants is strength since his vex armour scales really hard with strength so while idk what zach's shards are on that build ik mine are 5 strength although you can probably do some equilibrium shards instead to free up the equilibrium slot and then put in flow or smthn for even more energy

[drifting hare]

Hmmm

Alr Amma try both and see which one suits me better

[tidal parrot]

i think i recall that zach uses equilibrium shards but not 100% sure, think he also uses some energy shards for primary overcharge which can make primaries really good

[drifting hare]

I see

[wary forge]

yeah this is fine

u really dont need transfort tbh but yeah

u obv want flow if ur doing a melee build with shards

[tidal parrot]

its just to stack vex armour to as high as i can

[wary forge]

ye

[astral tinsel]

but not combo reset immunity

[wary forge]

u dont really have to max streght espcially if ur on nourish platform and u have infinite energy with just nexus so yeah

[tidal parrot]

i use a deth cube which spews out orbs of every kind and i have enough energy to cast my abilities every like 20 years or whatever when i do need to

but yea if your going with some other stuff 100% not needed

[wary forge]

u dont really need energy at all with his augment and u have good duration

[tidal parrot]

i just use it as a "i can put whatever i want on" base and the dethcube is also like that, they dont need eachother i just like using them

[wary forge]

really just depends on what ur subsume is i ussaly just 2 equi shards and synth and thats more then enough or u just can run equi/rage so ye he doesnt really have energy problems really dpeends on the subsume

i did change my builds a little bit persistence is better performing then i thought

[tidal parrot]

i just use omamori since it synergizes with the high strength and dumped range (doesnt care about duration ig) because it just allows me to have my survivability all baked in without relying on external sources

[wary forge]

if ur getting enough kills guardian armor should be pretty much fine all by itself if u want to be extra safe u could always go a beast with hunter recovery or smth like furis but its not needed even in level cap just guardian armor was doing fine

[sonic folio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1482804454318149802/1492925844279267590/GifMeme21380831032026.gif

[wary forge]

and then for like most of the games conent 2k hp with like 4k armor or whatever is gonna be more then fine

[tidal parrot]

i think i recall reading that guardian armour doesnt stack or anything so its more like it just procs and heals for % of max hp but yea tbh assuming your just throwing a glaive and killing everything for that 100% dr (they cant shoot at you if their dead) and then healing guardian armour probably can do enough healing on its own

[wary forge]

it procs and heals u its an over time heal not all instantly and its duration just getrs rfreshed when u get kills so yeah

u dont even need a nother dmg subsume tbh like omamari is lowk fine u just dont really need the survivability thats all

[tidal parrot]

Prty sure it scales with duration so with narrow minded (even with trans fort lowering it a bit) I get the heal over like 1.7 seconds instead of 3

[wary forge]

yep

it does

if u really want to get crazy galive dmg u can go something like breach surge

pretty insane how much dmg u can do with that

[sudden whale]

Any 1 gota burston incarnon build please i have no riven im using harrow

[trail obsidian]

whats a good frost build?

[wary forge]

magentic heat magnetic to help with the single target and do the rest with the heat flex slot is galvanized scope u dont even need the galvznied mods the normal versions are gonna be just fine

[sudden whale]

is good to just ad clear too?

[wary forge]

this is mainly for single target but yeah u can use it to clear

[sudden whale]

k ty

[wary forge]

At the end of the day it’s a 600 round machine gun so yeah

[sudden whale]

what evos should i use

[trail obsidian]

does any1 have one

a kind of ace of spades for sp

[wary forge]

Forced kinetic

Absolute

[tidal parrot]

fortress salvo
your choice (i like -50% recoil)
absolute valor

[wary forge]

I would go 50% recoil ye

[tidal parrot]

looking at it tbh the first evo neither are great tbh

think i recall fortress being bugged to always give the PT which would help charge incarnon quicker but otherwise either or tbh since they both give the same amount of base damage

[wary forge]

Ye I think all of the incarnons with that evo give the pt no matter what but yeah doenst really matter what u go for the first evo

[astral tinsel]

for clearing you can go blast

works pretty well

[sudden whale]

and blast still does good dmg to thrax and all that right\

[wary forge]

U would really want magnetic

To shred the overguard

[astral tinsel]

much worse than magnetic, but at lower levels it won't matter

[tidal parrot]

you could do magnetic cold / magnetic blast technically no? although mag cap probably not the best slot on for burston (playing devils advocate)

[astral tinsel]

because burston incarnon has bonkers stats

also with Harrow it's not really worth it to run 2 crit chance mods

[wary forge]

You could mag might but ye gonna be less damage and status chance

[tidal parrot]

mag capacity, mag might is for secondaries

wish we had a mag might for primaries tbh

[wary forge]

Ye

[tidal parrot]

run vital sense and hammer shot for double cd on harrow

[astral tinsel]

idk if harrow makes acuity better or worse...

[wary forge]

U could just go pure blast like he said but yeah the single target is gonna be worse doesn’t really matter tho unless ur doing like level cap

[astral tinsel]

on one hand, lots of flat crit, on the other, more incentives to aim for heads

[wary forge]

I just think acuity burston is so troll

[astral tinsel]

why

[spice willow]

guys should i spend a forma on my fulmin (2 forma already) or use it to build a base ignis (no wrath) at mr5

[tidal parrot]

id say worse since you lose out on the multiplicitive modding that ms gives and your alrdy getting a ton of crit off of harrow

[odd lynx]

Does anyone have Nezah prime build for my buddy

[wary forge]

Why would you not go multi shot on a 600 round machine gun

[astral tinsel]

because it's a hitscan AoE weapon

[tidal parrot]

fulmin 100% more worth, base ignis isnt really worth it to begin with and ignis wraith, while it can be used later on, will probably get out shined by base fulmin anyways

[astral tinsel]

and multishot doesn't apply to the AoE because reasons

[wary forge]

Doesn’t matter

Acuity is good on like 5 snipers and that’s it really it’s pretty much never worth to sacrifice multishot

[spice willow]

what polarity should i put onto the forma? i already have the check and ~

nvm theres only 3 polarities

[wary forge]

Especially if u want more trash clear then u would want multishot like what

[astral tinsel]

do you have mods you'd like to slot and can't

[spice willow]

@tidal parrot already gave me an aswer

[tidal parrot]

whatever the most expensive non polorized mod on the weapon is, a lot of mods you probably will put on will be a maduri (looks like a v) polarity although you WILL want a vazarin (looks like a reversed and fater maduri polarity) for galv aptitude

[sudden whale]

so blast magnetic multishot or what

[astral tinsel]

burston incarnon has so little spread it doesn't make any difference

[violet silo]

unfortunately

[spice willow]

i put on varazin

[astral tinsel]

[tidal parrot]

time to put on heavy caliber

[wary forge]

We have to be rage baiting

[tidal parrot]

rage busting?!?!?!

[sudden whale]

so shouldi go blast or the build u said

[astral tinsel]

no really how does putting 5 bullets in one spot help with trash clear over putting a single stronger one there

assuming the total power is roughly equal

[wary forge]

There’s no way we just typed this

[wary forge]

Does acutiy make sense on a 600 round machine gun that’s ur answer

[tidal parrot]

just go with the build said as it will probably be better for thrax

[astral tinsel]

what does magazine size have to do with it

what could it possibly have to do with it

[wary forge]

Even if ur firing one extra bullet per shot ur getting 600 more shots hello

One headshot is going to equal that surely

It’s like going primary acuity on something like soma any full auto ar with a high fire rate

It’s just straight up delusional I shouldn’t have to explain it

[astral tinsel]

what are you even going on about

do you have any actual arguments or just bluster and insults

[wary forge]

Goes both ways

What do you mean

I just explained how multishot works and I didn’t insult you

I used the soma comparison to help describe why multishot is good but yeah

[astral tinsel]

okay let me explain first

[wary forge]

If you’re doing 200 damage a shot

And u fire 3 shots that’s 600 damage

[astral tinsel]

on hitscan and beam weapons with AoE, the AoE component is not affected by multishot

[wary forge]

Burston incarnon is multishot

[astral tinsel]

precisely wait no I misread that as AoE why would you even say that what does it mean that it "is multishot"

50% of burston incarnon's dps is from the AoE portion

that means multishot is only 50% effective

[wary forge]

No

[astral tinsel]

why not

[wary forge]

Yore firing more shots that’s just not how it works

Even if the damage is less you’re still firing more

[latent adder]

Acuity is mathematically more DPS on burston, its just more annoying to charge incarnon mode

[astral tinsel]

but have you considered that it's bad on the Soma

[wary forge]

If you’re hitting every single head shot then sure I guess

Very obtainable for the average player

[tidal parrot]

im ngl i was testing it out rq and it feels like acuity is like slightly better assuming your only hitting heads etc but like tbh at the end of the day it feels marginally better and it feels like end reuslt is like difference of all of like 1,000,001 vs 1,000,002 like they both feel about the same in their ideal situations

[astral tinsel]

if you don't like aiming for heads go multishot, it's not that much worse

[wary forge]

I thought the incarnon charge thing was known that’s really the main issue with acuity

[sudden whale]

multishot it is

[tidal parrot]

id probably say multishot is better if your not only hitting heads/weakpoints, but like again, both feel relatively similar in the only hitting heads and if you dont hit heads that ima just flat out assume ms is better since it means Primary acuity does nothing

[wary forge]

What is this Zaw build in ur voruna video

[latent adder]

Its shown in the beggining of the video

[wary forge]

Yes but why are u gas

And a dagger Zaw

[latent adder]

Balla strips with amalgam argonak

Gas gets inherited through fangs of raksh

[wary forge]

You definitely need to strip on a Zaw that does 100 million dmg per throw

[latent adder]

And persists across the map to increase kpm

[wary forge]

I mean sure

[latent adder]

Its influence and u dont always direct hit

The aoe of contagion is weak

Also balla throws faster, also i literally have rabvee as the alternative option

[wary forge]

It’s not especially on voruna even without vig swap

I don’t necessarily disagree with it but I just find it hard to believe that just not going pure electric is better other then like u said with the lingering gas clouds u could just prowess instead of the gas mods and that’s fine really even without a status riven or 12x narumon

[latent adder]

Yeah u can, gas is just more interesting on voruna

[wary forge]

Ic it’s mainly there for the synergy ok

[latent adder]

Otherwise there's no point to use fangs

[wary forge]

ic

So ur mainly using the 2 to nuke ic it’s actually good damage which I didn’t even think damn

[tidal parrot]

(urelated but related in context of voruna) for ulfruns decent, would it be better to not use corrosive proj to help ensure that the slash proc gets the kill or will it not make much of a difference anyways?

[wary forge]

Since they are gonna have so much statuses I get if

[latent adder]

Yeah corrosive projection is good but not for the slash proc makes no difference, its gonna help with direct kills

Direct kills are needed to charge the multiplier

[wary forge]

Corrosive just the best in slot for level cap p much cuts a thrax hp in half

[tidal parrot]

cuz rn im throwing together an ulfrun endurance build and i feel like corrosive proj just will be making it harder for ulfrun's endurance (atleast at the start) to ensure kills to keep up charges assuming i use raksh to build up impetus stacks

[latent adder]

Nah itll be fine

[tidal parrot]

mk

[ornate cosmos]

would it be orth it to run persistance on rhino?
made this and thought so (ignore para armor)

[wary forge]

No

U subsumed rhinos 4?

[astral tinsel]

not really imo

[slender vine]

Is losing x0.8 crit damage worth the 1.1s reload speed on the Akarius?

[wary forge]

That rhino build needs a lot of help my man

[slender vine]

No, you dont need Persistence when you have Iron Skin

[ornate cosmos]

yeah
saw ninjase do the same

[wary forge]

Do people really not realize stomp is literally the best cc ability in the entire game

[slender vine]

I dont agree with this

[supple narwhal]

Does anyone have a good nezha build for steel path

[ornate cosmos]

wait, persistance doesnt affect og?

[wary forge]

What’s a better cc ability

[slender vine]

No

[ornate cosmos]

wow that sucks

[ornate cosmos]

breach surge?

well, technically limbo's rift is the best CC

[slender vine]

Bunraku for example

[wary forge]

I’m sure breach surge can cc every single enemy in a 55 meter for 10 seconds minimum

[slender vine]

It is until you realize Eximus hit you in your rift

[ornate cosmos]

it has to have a flaw

[wary forge]

With 260% range rhino stomp is 58 meters legit affects the entire tile and u can just spam it without any duration they are lifted for 10 seconds

No Los requirements

Like what

[slender vine]

Bunraku has 43 metter with only Stretch, and 31s duration with only continuity

[astral tinsel]

primed quickdraw?

[slender vine]

Yeah, lv9

[wary forge]

Ur playing Koumei tho only thing

[slender vine]

?

[wary forge]

Stomp is still just better

[ornate cosmos]

idk
bunraku also primes a bunch of random procs on things

better for CO

given that max range stomp required a strength deficit

[supple narwhal]

Does anyone have a good nezha build for steel path

[astral tinsel]

assuming you're making use of the bonus reload speed while sprinting, that +80% works out to about a 21.8% boost in sustained dps (14.5% with Gauss)

[wary forge]

Rhino needs a lot of strength btw

It’s not like he has base kit roar

[slender vine]

I use it on Yareli, on mirage I dont need it because of Energized Munitions

[wary forge]

And like idk maybe just cast iron skin when it breaks 🤷‍♂️

[ornate cosmos]

id rather recast IS now and proc viral

[wary forge]

?

[ornate cosmos]

truculence

[wary forge]

Oh yore using that 2….

[slender vine]

IDK what point you are trying to make at this point, I only mentioned Bonraku because it is what first came to mind,

There is also Frost 4

[wary forge]

Rhino stomp is definitely better then frost 4

There’s just no reason why wouldn’t build around it

[ornate cosmos]

frost's 4 is only good bc of its augment ngl

[slender vine]

I wonder if it is worth maxing for the extra 8%

[wary forge]

Rhino doesn’t need that much strength and armor when iron skin is 2k by default and roar is a 50% dmg boost

[ornate cosmos]

id suggest looking for nisjase's builds on overframe
not much of a nezha player
all i heard was 4 augment and max range

[slender vine]

Yeah sure, but thats not much of a negative considering its a full course meal all in 1 cast

[astral tinsel]

hey it strips armor and gives CD

the augments really make it though

[wary forge]

Also u can use the stomp augment to get back more iron skin if u want to i guess 🤷‍♂️

[ornate cosmos]

isnt CD bc of the cold procs?
which is frosts whole kit

[astral tinsel]

yea

but why would you spam anything other than avalanche when it has the most range

[slender vine]

Kinda redunent, I dont see a real reason to use it

[wary forge]

It is but I mean there’s nothing more to slot anyways it’s nice for the qol

Just go this build but yeah u don’t need the augment

[ornate cosmos]

im struggling for slots tbh
id replace that aug with more range if i had the space
or the 2 aug

[wary forge]

You shouldn’t be struggling with slots man

U just don’t need that much armor it’s completely fake

Crowd controlling the entire tile just makes missions so easy

[warm sparrow]

Sup, so ive been "maining" Voruna for a long time now but i never really bothered with Companions and weapons.
So my question would be:
What are some good general use weapons to go for?
&
What Companion would u guys suggest i use with my Voruna ?

In terms of companions: i pretty much havent used anything else except Helios or Diriga xD

[wary forge]

Doriga is fine

Beat companions are nice for melee frames since they can run tandem bond it’s not that crazy but yeah

[warm sparrow]

yeah i have been thinking of using a beast companion for Vicious and Duplex bond

just not sure which one tbh, sure i could just go and get a Panzer and be done with companions alltogether xD

[wary forge]

Panzer is good Chesa for more loot

[solar reef]

the augment falls off if you level cap but for base steel path its so insanely good

Its mostly a casting speed issue

[supple narwhal]

Anything I can change on nezha

[solar reef]

mostly depends on your frame/setup

[wary forge]

But yeah really any beast companion is good doesn’t matter that much

[solar reef]

if you’re using a caster nuke or aoe setup get a panzer or hound

[warm sparrow]

i play a full Ulfruns descent setup

[slender vine]

I'd personally buil Divine Spear nuke build, IDK what that build gear toward

[solar reef]

oh it doesnt matter just use whatever you want then

i’d just grab whatever kills fastest

you dont need the priming

[slender vine]

Do you have access to the Helminth?

[wary forge]

Resourceful retriever is the best mod in the game that’s really why beast companions just mog sentinels

[supple narwhal]

No not know

[solar reef]

i just struggle to slot it in my panzer unless I’m not using melee

[wary forge]

There’s no way

[slender vine]

You get the segement by leveling your reputation with Daimos familly

[solar reef]

i dont ever feel like I need the extra SPE

like I understand why its so GOATed

i just dont use it when I play most of my mains

[slender vine]

So for now you should try building around shield gating and as much strenght as you can

[solar reef]

If I’m playing like harrow I slot it because I can throw off pack leader

[supple narwhal]

Ok

[slender vine]

Start by replacing the Vitality with either Rolling Guard or Adaptation

[wary forge]

They don’t die even if you aren’t using pack leader and even for some reason if it does just use elusive posture and also it just becomes a sentinel for 30 seconds so yeah

[solar reef]

im just not gonna change my shit up

its how ive found it to be the most comfortable

[slender vine]

NVM you already have Adaptation there, just level it up to 8 or 9

[supple narwhal]

Ok

[wary forge]

Ye Diriga slop is fine

[warm sparrow]

since i had a vulpy i modded it like this and my Voruna build... if you have suggestions to make it better Please enlighten me xD i havent really fiddled with that build in what feels like years hahaahaha

[slender vine]

Do you want me to send you my build and you can slowly work toward it?

It doesnt really work without the helmith tho, or at least needs to be adjusted

[wary forge]

It’s gonna die with no survivability mods a lot

[hollow scarab]

are there any other guns that do like a homing thing or is that kinda JUST the diplos and the arbucep? cuz i want more "smart" guns

[slender vine]

So you just know clones from Duplex dont cast

[slender vine]

Akarius

[wary forge]

Contagues bond isn’t bad but the panzer has to get th kill which it just isn’t once u get to steel path and beyond unless u could fully around it momentus is fine for status spreading with swipe

[supple narwhal]

Yeah

[hollow scarab]

mmm true

[solar reef]

My panzer kills pretty consistantly at cap

[warm sparrow]

I know its more because i find having lots of beasts running around very funny.

[solar reef]

at least it feels like it does

[wary forge]

No it doesn’t

[slender vine]

Valid

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/alrighty-man-alrighty-then-umm-awkward-awkward-cat-gif-15343904606334602145

[wary forge]

Like if they are full stripped it can kill yeah

But like so can an epitaph

[solar reef]

just play a frame that strips I guess

[wary forge]

With no damage mods

[solar reef]

I just never have issues with my panzers kill things

[tidal parrot]

i was the enemy at cap and it killed me

[wary forge]

I’ve seen it killed butchers at cap that’s it tho

[supple narwhal]

That would be helpful

[warm sparrow]

Hmm... might switch deevolution with the shield link and contagious with... whatever bond has fire rate increase

[wary forge]

Main thing that makes contagious so insane is when it’s combined with the mecha mods even if your companion is constantly getting kills it’s really not that crazy

[slender vine]

I adjusted it a bit for a no helminth build, also I dont use Flowbut 2 Blue shards instead, and I use 2 arcanes for energy economy, use Energize if you have it, I think its dirt cheap now

[wary forge]

Devo isn’t bad it’s good just not always needed

[solar reef]

my pazner set up is full survivability iirc

like Tek Assault, Dev, Pack Leader

[warm sparrow]

Ill see tommorrow. Ive just started building voruna prime thats why i asked the question ehat i could switch around in terms of build and companion

[solar reef]

as long as your companion has vacuum/ferch you’re fine lmao

id just use what you normally use

[warm sparrow]

But im happy for any suggestions lmao just... ping me so i dont overread it tommorrow

[warm sparrow]

Yeee i know. I just wanted some sugestions since i never really went away from diriga. I just use an arc coil setup but i thought i wanna make a change with voruna prima

[gleaming vapor]

guys what else do I add to this thumbnail for a video i might theoretically make

[solar reef]

i also dont use synth deconstruct on my panzer because Voruna just does that

[warm sparrow]

Prime* so any suggestion for voruna build and companion im very happy with.

[wary forge]

U can use normal pack leader it’s fine

[warm sparrow]

Not using synth either lol

[wary forge]

But yeah just slop Diriga if u already got it invested in

[supple narwhal]

Thanks

[slender vine]

So what element helps hitting weak points? Gas or Blast?

[slender vine]

Save that image, when you are advanced enough in the game you can update the build

[tidal parrot]

a cowboy/cowgirl aura farming

[supple narwhal]

Yeah I just did

[warm sparrow]

I have sooooo many forma and shit. Ill need to 8x forma my voruna prime anyways so investing in another companion also isnt a big of a deal. If smeeta buffs were usefull on voruna id just use them.

[slender vine]

How about you mail me like 20 formas, I am almost dry

[warm sparrow]

If i could. I have 80 build formas i just dont use em since i dont enjoy that many warframes or weapons

[slender vine]

I try building sth new every 3 days 😭

[warm sparrow]

Wish chroma wasnt such a letdown ... but oh well

[gleaming vapor]

eh mesas already on there

[warm sparrow]

Oh i build alot aswell... i just dont play it after the inital 30 lvls mostly

[gleaming vapor]

close enough

[hollow scarab]

any help?

[warm sparrow]

Pretty much just mastery farming

[slender vine]

IDK I was satisfied with the Fire Dragon build I cooked, not the best at anything but you can run around and it kills things

[slender vine]

Hol up a sec

[tidal parrot]

then put a poorly photoshoped mesa riding a horse on there then

[slender vine]

assuming you run viral on companion, else replace Corr with viral

[gleaming vapor]

tru

[slender vine]

also this thing empty the mag in 2 shots, I generally use Pistoleer with it

[fierce lark]

pistol pestilence over pathogen rounds, really needs anmo mutation mod, and akimbo slipshot is good if you’re willing to play around it

[slender vine]

Gunfight isnt necessary, I replace it with Quickdraw at times

[warm sparrow]

Na to me chroma as a Dragon warframe is kinda a letdown in general xD

[tidal parrot]

prty sure chroma is the dragon hunter, not the dragon

nvm hes the "draconic hunter", so like hunter with draconic powers ig

but yea, he could use a rework his 1, 2, and 4 are all highkey kinda buns minus the credit doubler from his 4 and his passive while its not the best or anything i wouldnt be super mad about it being left alone or changed

[warm sparrow]

Uh...idk.... considering hes just refered to as dragon and Chroma is probably a reference to chromatic dragons jn DnD id think hes just... a dragon frame but eh. Imma go sleep cyaaa

[tidal parrot]

straight from the wiki. next paragraph starts off with "Chroma is a Warframe with draconic powers-"

[gleaming vapor]

ok i think this is the final form of the thumbnail

[hollow scarab]

hows this?

[graceful pollen]

what is the meta build for mirage if im using both augments or should i nost use both augments

[graceful pollen]

put neuron activation in the corner

[latent adder]

Use augments when using guns that can benefit

[graceful pollen]

i use the torid

[latent adder]

https://overframe.gg/build/191180/mirage-prime/total-malevolence-mirage-dual-augment-max-dps-weapon-platform-solo-steel-path/

[gleaming vapor]

oh hi jase

[graceful pollen]

i js noticed ur the guy with all the builds lol

[latent adder]

Torid works yes, clones dont use galvanized mods or arcanes

And dont explode glaives, slam or contagion

[graceful pollen]

ok

[latent adder]

So if using anything that relies heavily on galvanized aptitude or melee explosions just drop augments

[graceful pollen]

does it use one forma on purpose or will more formas give it better potential?

[latent adder]

Use as many as required to fit all mods is all

[graceful pollen]

ok

tyvm

[hollow scarab]

is this about as good as i can make this?

cuz it still feels eh when ppl are telling me its great

[latent adder]

Drop galv aptitude for vile acceleration, drop rifle elelmentalist

Swap elements to make viral heat

Galv aptitude doesn't apply to aoe which acceltra is predominantly aoe

[graceful pollen]

while ur here ninjase is there anything else i can do in my torid build?

[wary forge]

did u do a rhino build where u subsumed stopm some guy ealier said he u do it in a vid

[latent adder]

Yeah for iron skin memes

[near vortex]

Why pure viral
And why torid

[calm hornet]

Idk where to type this but hopefully here is okay. Should i try and get many frames while doing my story missions and star chart? Or is it not too big of a worry. I've got Nekros parts cooking up since i got them very easily but any others easy and helpful i should get ?

[latent adder]

Parasitic armor over 4

[wary forge]

ah 4 like max skin ic

[graceful pollen]

what eles should i have

[near vortex]

Depends what faction

[graceful pollen]

faction?

[wary forge]

cossorive blast best for trash clear

[near vortex]

Corrosive Blast for grineer blast tox for corpus

[graceful pollen]

oh

overall

[latent adder]

Make the elements blast corrosive or viral electric

[wary forge]

nah dont worry about pure toxin

[graceful pollen]

ill go viral electric ig what should i replace

[wary forge]

whats ur riven

[graceful pollen]

crit damage crit chance zoom

all positives, its a work in progress

[near vortex]

Hmmm
I don't know if primed Cryo Rounds is better than Rime Rounds there for viral elec

One has to go

[wary forge]

just drop rime rounds for 60 60 elec

and u got elec viral

[graceful pollen]

so drop rime rounds for electric?

[wary forge]

or add heat for cossive blast

one of the 2

[graceful pollen]

ill do viral elec ig

what mod

[wary forge]

u got it

[latent adder]

Swap primed cryo to stormbringer and rearrange mods

[queen parcel]

what's a good weapon on trinity? i was thinking maybe a shotgun since i can get primary overcharge working easily?

[latent adder]

In the order of cold, tox, electric

[graceful pollen]

why primed cryo and not rime rounds

[near vortex]

Weightings

[latent adder]

U want it to have higher electric weighting

Well its already gonna be low

[wary forge]

its cope

[latent adder]

So u ideally run violet elec shards for viral elec torid

Blast corro is simpler

[near vortex]

or you don't run Torid and run good weapons instead

[graceful pollen]

torid is good no?

[latent adder]

Viral electric is stronger on single targets but still needs shards

[queen parcel]

maybe sobek? idk far as i can see trinity doesn't really have any fun weapon interactions with her abilites

[violet silo]

it’s not a bad weapon, it’s just not particularly fun.

[near vortex]

torid is lazy asf but not actually that good

[latent adder]

Coda hema

[graceful pollen]

well whats good and works with dual augment trinity

or better than torid ig

[near vortex]

In terms of Incarnons there's Strun Latron and Burston that are much stronger

[latent adder]

Hema will remove health for champions blessing

[graceful pollen]

is burston the best out of those and does it need headshots to charge

[opal leaf]

Torid is just a trash killer, that's all hahaha

[near vortex]

Yeah and yeah

Just aim ig

[graceful pollen]

okok

[near vortex]

Headshots are not as hard as people make them out to be imo

[queen parcel]

oh i'm doing a helth tank trinity so i don't need the hema lol

[graceful pollen]

yk what time it is, send the build

[opal leaf]

I rarely even use the Incarnon mode

[near vortex]

Just aim at a certain level into a hallway and spray

[latent adder]

But are u using champions blessing? How quickly can u stack it with health tanking

Cuz you would barely lose any health normally

[graceful pollen]

wait does burston work with dual augment mirage

[violet silo]

it’s not gonna struggle in 99% of gameplay. if that’s not good then you have a really high bar.

[near vortex]

Name a weapon that doesn't lol

[latent adder]

Yes it also doesn't use galv aptitude or require arcanes

[graceful pollen]

no but like does it have bounce and radius

[near vortex]

If you want bounce go for Latron

[latent adder]

The aoe only applies to melee

[opal leaf]

Any weapon works at mirage

[latent adder]

Gun aoes work

[violet silo]

doesn’t bounce, but it’s radial

[graceful pollen]

ninjase should i still use dual augment then on burston?

[queen parcel]

of course i am

[graceful pollen]

so its better in like every way

[latent adder]

Only stuff like falcor detonate influence, contagion and slam won't work with clones

[queen parcel]

and it's faster then hema i can tell you that rn

[near vortex]

95% of weapons can function in 99% of gameplay
My bar is high for a reason

[violet silo]

than what

[graceful pollen]

torid

[latent adder]

Ehh torid is aoe

[violet silo]

not as good for trash clearing ig

[latent adder]

Burston is more single target

[graceful pollen]

but like it has more damage and with mirage i can get some aoe right

[latent adder]

Not the level of aoe as torid

[opal leaf]

What is the armor stripping cap of Gaze? (Xaku's 3rd Ability)

[graceful pollen]

wait does raidal mean you dont have to shoot right at the target for it to damage it

[latent adder]

Let's say torid deals 100 dmg and kills 20 enemies, burston will deal 500 dmg and kill 2 enemies

Would u rather kill 20 enemies or 2 enemies

[opal leaf]

Ooo that's a nice note

[violet silo]

I’d also like to point out that, while burston is very good, sometimes it’s better to let your single target weapon be your secondary

[graceful pollen]

okok but it will be beneficial and worth it to use dual augment mirage?

[latent adder]

For burston and torid yeah sure

[graceful pollen]

yaya ok

[opal leaf]

BTW... Guys ^

Please help

[graceful pollen]

aight i got to go thanks for the help everyone

[violet silo]

they tend to be very good at that, some even better than burston

[latent adder]

Its 100% strip at 200%str

Or if u running corrosive projection, 164 str

[queen parcel]

would the hek be good for trinity?

[opal leaf]

OK that's good to know, thanks

[queen parcel]

i could get hella multishot...

[latent adder]

Do u have any strong incarnons

Might as well use the best guns

[wary forge]

its good for single target

[queen parcel]

eeeehhhhhhh

not really?

[opal leaf]

Damn it is an honor to see THE ninjase in the server hahahah

[wary forge]

are u in a clan

[opal leaf]

Huge respect

[violet silo]

yeah I was thinking the same

[opal leaf]

His explanations are always on point in Overframe hahahah

[queen parcel]

weh weh weh, but i need to make it fit the fashion lol :3

that and just using the best weapon in boring, i wanna try and do somthing with it

[wary forge]

hahahaha

[queen parcel]

even if it's a subsume and weapon combo i end up doing...

[violet silo]

is the fashion kuva themed?

[tidal parrot]

feel like you need to drop/link the fashion if you want advice on best guns that match the fashion

[wary forge]

what

[violet silo]

stug incarnon

[violet silo]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-albrecht-entrati-true-you-are-true-warframe-1999-gif-1092476567053353718

[hollow scarab]

is this a good nagantaka build for later game sp?

[tidal parrot]

just you watch, like a month after it drops its gona be the new torid and everyones gona hate on it cuz its so good

[queen parcel]

no i was gonna make the energy black to get rid of the glowing, when it comes to 1999 there's only so much one can do, grineer fit well enough for 1999 so...shrug

[opal leaf]

Ooo speaking off

Any guns fit for this broken frame?

[violet silo]

damned if you do, damned if you don’t

[tidal parrot]

obligatory stug incarnon

[queen parcel]

what?

[opal leaf]

Aight I'll get the Stug.. Shit XDDD

But seriously tho, what's a good gun to go with Xaku

[tidal parrot]

the guns you steal from enemies

[hollow scarab]

cuz im tryna start using the nagantaka but have no idea what im doing

[opal leaf]

OK XDD

What about guns that Xaku needs to use to kill? Aside the stolen ones

[tidal parrot]

the stolen ones are the ones that xaku uses to kill

[opal leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-meme-warframememe-gif-52930624347421827

Guess Xaku have a thematically git gun aside... Any guns hahaha

[tidal parrot]

tbh tho idk i just use whatever guns i feel like using completely seperately from if they specifically match the fashion or not

latron solstice doesnt look half bad

[opal leaf]

True

I'm getting the Tenet Arca Plasmor tho for Vauban

But I can't yet bc of the Call of Tempestarii game mode hahaha

[queen parcel]

i'm stingy and pettey

if it doesn't fit, and there isn't a skin that works, i'm not using it

[violet silo]

just use an entrati weapon

[wary forge]

interesting

[violet silo]

trumna

[tidal parrot]

was directed at cc king, were still yet to see your fashion

[opal leaf]

Might get, but the alt is the good one right?

[graceful pollen]

wait wait so like you said earlier if single targets are better off as secondarys what should my primary be for a dual augment mirage? wouldnt mind if there were any secondary reccomendations either

[opal leaf]

The base is... Bad

?

[violet silo]

I don’t use mirage, what does she do to weapons other than duplicate em

[queen parcel]

oh i mean it's kinda just lettie, the protoframe skins are really hard to fashion...i did make a holy knight for the alt though...

[violet silo]

alt?

[violet silo]

phenmor

[graceful pollen]

augments make it so that she spawns 4 dopplegangers with two shooting whatever weapon you have equipped dealing 55% damage (with augments) of your equipped weapon

so think of a gun like the torid, she shoots three torid incarnon beams

[violet silo]

latron would be pretty silly

[graceful pollen]

and her second augment buffs you and your clones damage by 700%

thought id throw that in

[violet silo]

or strun

[queen parcel]

oh or maybe the felarx?

[violet silo]

I can see it

[graceful pollen]

latron has bounce right

[tidal parrot]

in incarnon, yes

[violet silo]

yep

fires bouncing fireballs

[queen parcel]

better then magic minigun lol

[violet silo]

but magic minigun is kewl

[queen parcel]

it's funny actually i don't think any of my buids have the felarx yet...

[queen parcel]

doesn't really fit thematically though...

not as well at least

[elfin marsh]

ya'll what melee weapon is better than the nami solo incarnon?

[tidal parrot]

something something "cheapest" felarx build

[hollow scarab]

any nagantaka prime builds for later sp?

[violet silo]

like the boar lol

[tidal parrot]

felarx was like the 2nd shotgun i built but im a big strun enjoyer

[tidal parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-67-scp-67-funyuns-funny-gif-75413186200073602

[queen parcel]

...glaive prime? harmony?

[wary forge]

not many

really just zaw but barley

[graceful pollen]

ima use trumna for primary, does that sound good

[elfin marsh]

how come the glaive prime

[tidal parrot]

chat at what point do i give up on rolling the stug riven 😔

[wary forge]

not the galive prime

[violet silo]

…glaive prime?

[queen parcel]

it's just good

[wary forge]

not even close

[queen parcel]

is...is it not anymore?

[wary forge]

falcor.....

[queen parcel]

i could've sworn it was crowned as the best weapon in the game for a bit

[tidal parrot]

flacor/xoris

[elfin marsh]

the harmony is good but it doesn't clear rooms like nami solo imo

the damage is nuts tho

[tidal parrot]

pre influince probably 🥀

[violet silo]

it’s not anywhere near the best, and it’s not even the best glaive

[queen parcel]

ah that might've been it

[queen parcel]

i use it on my saryn...

nasty damage

[violet silo]

melee influence

[spice willow]

which is better: gas or blast? is either viable?

[graceful pollen]

wait guys is akarius prime a good secondary

[tidal parrot]

typically blast is better but it really depends

[graceful pollen]

everything is locked behind mr im so behind atp

[elfin marsh]

I use it on kullervo, he's cracked too

[spice willow]

how?

[violet silo]

depends on weapon, blast is more commonly viable

[spice willow]

how abt on fulmin

[wary forge]

falcor is mr 8

[elfin marsh]

it's on a lot of melee builds for a reason

[queen parcel]

why him? i don't remember him having any particually powerful status

[graceful pollen]

is akarius better tho or no

[wary forge]

its not

[elfin marsh]

he adds flat crit chance on melee weapons

[tidal parrot]

at 10 stacks or when an enemy dies the blast stacks detonate dealing 10x the damage for 3000% of the modded damage at 10 stacks in an aoe

[elfin marsh]

so i can have tier 3 crits

[graceful pollen]

and falcors secondary?

i use mirage dual augment btw

[wary forge]

faclor is a glaive

[graceful pollen]

oh

im very knowledgeable as you can tell

[queen parcel]

sure but why not use smth with a higher base damage or crit dam?

[wary forge]

glavies are very good on mirage espically 🙂

[violet silo]

the real best melee weapon

[elfin marsh]

mainly cause I have like 2 more other frames and red crits go brr

[tidal parrot]

because it adds it to whatever else crit stuff you do so you can hit ridiculously large crits

[elfin marsh]

and I have all violet shards so my crit damage is good

[mighty flare]

fulmin goes electric

[tidal parrot]

if your alrdy hitting tier 3 crits you can go to tier 6 with a 300% cc boost from wrathfull advance

[graceful pollen]

what about a primary weapon for mirage dual augment

[violet silo]

we suggested

latron or strun

[wary forge]

anything at all its mirage bro

[spice willow]

what do i change? tyrying to get rifle elementalist on

[spice willow]

what?

[opal leaf]

Fulmin has innate electric is what they mean

[spice willow]

yea ik

[steep abyss]

i'd advise to not play blast and just go viral,
blast is only sometimes worth it

[opal leaf]

Blast works on beam guns

[violet silo]

isn’t fulmin a beam

[opal leaf]

Eh not really but beam supports blasts better than any guns (imo)

[steep abyss]

it's a auto shotgun or a rifle

[spice willow]

what do i put on 3rd config then

[opal leaf]

No... That's the gun that can change to a shotty and to a rifle

[violet silo]

I agree

especially chain beams

[opal leaf]

Knukor and Torid are my best bet of it hahahah

[tidal parrot]

nope, hit scan or projectile (goes multiplicitive with gun co in shotgun)

[wary forge]

dont use fulmin semi mod just use it as an ar it should be fine

[steep abyss]

uh, serration is fine for now, split chamber is good, point strike is good, vital sense is good, just swap out hellfire and cryo rounds with preferably rime rounds and malignant force
if you only have maligant force use cryo rounds and malignant force

[violet silo]

I sometimes don’t mod it tho, just cuz I use an excessive amount of gus

[steep abyss]

if you don't have malignant force - i have a spare one if you want

[tidal parrot]

semi mode is multiplicitive with gundition overload 🥀

[wary forge]

#cope

[spice willow]

i dont have it

[steep abyss]

Yes, the semi mode is atleast 5 times stronger than the assault rifle mode

[opal leaf]

True

Tbf I just use the normal mode or incarnoff mode of Torid hahah

[violet silo]

so I’ll have viral heat on chain beams so thermal transfer can make up the blast

[steep abyss]

"zuzukey#274" just txt me ingame i'll invite

[opal leaf]

How "multiplicative"

[opal leaf]

Should I go viral heat on Torid too? XDDDD

[proven plover]

can any1 send me there nova prime build, im tryna build her and dont know what build to pick

[violet silo]

I don’t

[tidal parrot]

same as putting base damage on a wepaon that doesnt have any except it goes multiplicitive with base damage mods

[opal leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-what-wat-ivara-what-did-you-say-gif-17536323

[wary forge]

thats why faction mods are op

knowers know roar dubble dip

[steep abyss]

I just can't be bothered to always swap mods </3

[tidal parrot]

eclipse also being its own multiplicative source

[tidal parrot]

thats why roar is busted and used so much🥀

[steep abyss]

mmm... nourish is just better than roar

[tidal parrot]

nah, roar is the same as bane mods

[latent adder]

https://overframe.gg/build/215302/nova-prime/event-horizon-general-use-slowva-speedva-non-helminth/

[tidal parrot]

plus it applies to abilities

[steep abyss]

to every ability or only CAW ones?

[steep abyss]

Do the math, nourish only gives slightly less weapon damage (excluding the viral stacks)

Roar is nerfed on other frames

[steep abyss]

yea i'm dumb mb. every

[tidal parrot]

roar double dips like bane mods is the whole point 🥀

if you need viral that bad either prime or use a companion to prime

left or right chat

[violet silo]

…they work differently and should be used for different purposes

[violet silo]

prob right

[steep abyss]

the right one feels just like a upgrade lmao

actually crazy how much kuva went into that one riven

[tidal parrot]

guys nvm new better roll frfr, right 100% right /j

[violet silo]

glad you said /j, I completely thought you were serious

[tidal parrot]

np

[proven plover]

ty

[tidal parrot]

gota make my sweet summer child lethal 🥀

[steep abyss]

i understand the appeal of the stug i'm really excited for

what's happening soon with it

[tidal parrot]

i had tears in my eyes at them saying stug and incarnon in the same sentence

[steep abyss]

in the end, it just decreases the damage / crit rate / crit damage / status chance / multishot to 0 and the weapon was a joke
Also i avoided saying it out loud, as i'm not certain if it counts as a spoiler

you may want to /spoiler it

🤷‍♂️ Better safe than sorry

[tidal parrot]

i think by definition anything post new war is technically spoiler but i also saw like the entire discord and chat ingame explode with people talking about it so im not too concerned

[deep grotto]

are any of these used for anything?

i have no idea if any of these arcanes are good or not lmfao

but i gotta pick something so yk

[mighty flare]

only usable are hunt & force

[deep grotto]

ty

[maiden cargo]

ermm vicious bond does not work with summons right ?

tested on nekros it did not work i just need to confirm this

[tidal parrot]

read the first word in the description🥀

summons arent abilities either unless its a companion ability

best for that tho would be dirga or a hound

[maiden cargo]

the first word has a period
it has 2 effect overall

if i am not mistaken

[tidal parrot]

1st word or 5th word second sentence 🥀

[maiden cargo]

from wiki page wisp shock mote works before but got fix
so i was thinking if there is other ability can get its effect

[sacred hedge]

Wouldn’t it work well with nautilus too

[tidal parrot]

idk where your reading that but only think about wisp in there is a preformance fix caused from saryn's spores and a companion

[tidal parrot]

cordon doesnt do damage iirc

[sacred hedge]

Dang

[wary forge]

Yeah big oof

[maiden cargo]

if you give dogo nourish

will it proc

[tidal parrot]

actually looking at it, only one that would really be able to make use of it is a hound or helios

[tidal parrot]

just used synergized prospectus. nourish on its explosion could probably proc it but synergized prospectus alrdy will be doing that

plus synergized prospectus is typically used on hounds to begin with

[maiden cargo]

dang

[maiden cargo]

yeah thats the one i saw

[unkempt ocean]

Any way to get more CD other than just more tau forged purples?

[undone dust]

well that's more than one cd

[rich glacier]

Status > crit damage. Remove condition for more status and use arcane fury for melee damage

[unkempt ocean]

Already have arcane fury on, but I guess I could swap con overload

[rich glacier]

Yeah you don't have elements and not worth it

Put the impact/ puncture status mod

[unkempt ocean]

And if I get Jugulus spines I could get more status

[rich glacier]

Yeah that

I wonder if you could put influence on an exalted melee weapon and proc influence with doughty.

I will test tomorrow

[undone dust]

you can't because exalteds replace your actual melee when equipped

[unkempt ocean]

It’s now up to 54.3x CD

[tidal parrot]

please tell me this is on kullervo

[unkempt ocean]

It is, worry not

[tidal parrot]

i would love to see non diminished wrathful with this

[fierce lark]

unfortunate that the Incarnon heavies don’t do much puncture

[unkempt ocean]

It doesn’t do a whole lot, anywhere from 10 to 20 million per Tennokai heavy with all the buffs up

[celest sparrow]

should i pick crit and status chance over multishot and dmg?

[unkempt ocean]

And fully amour stripped

[tidal parrot]

are you sure?

[unkempt ocean]

It’s based on the status chance of the weapon though? The type of damage the heavy does doesn’t matter

[fierce lark]

not sure, most weapons’ different attacks have their own damage types with associate stats

so i would assume doughty goes off the stats of the attack type being used

[unkempt ocean]

I don’t believe it does? Ima go test that

Just tested, doesn’t effect doughty with incarnon heavy

[deep grotto]

How did you have more crit damage beforehand 😭

[unkempt ocean]

It’s just the way it shows in simulacrum

The before CD is with all my buff, the after CD is my passive without any in mission buffa

[deep grotto]

I smee

[celest sparrow]

should i pick crit and status chance over multishot and dmg?

[gleaming vapor]

depends

[celest sparrow]

im kinda hesitant to choose the crit one cause i made a decent with the other

[gleaming vapor]

i’d go left

[old marsh]

Can anyone share their Kuva Hind build please.

[old marsh]

Right and stop

[smoky field]

what stats do i need on guandao riven?

[stone folio]

does nira's hatred boost the melee slam from oraxias mercy's kiss while in spider form?

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[stone folio]

damn

[cloud pivot]

am i somehow dumb to die on titania with her 4 active with dust and thorns?

violence accolyte violated me

[sinful glade]

is tri-umbral still necessary for a volt eidolon build? just wondering cause I only have one umbra forma atm

[fierce lark]

was triumbral ever used on eido volt?

[sinful glade]

i was looking up some builds on youtube and saw a couple that had either 2 or 3 umbrals. they were fairly recent too so I just wanted to be sure

[violet silo]

seems like bad builds

[wise kettle]

left or right on this?

[violet silo]

fiber and vitality are only worth running on health tanks

[violet silo]

I'd go right, but you might want some other opinionss cuz this is close

[robust pike]

is this worth keeping or should I keep rolling? Feel like ive hit the point of no return in rerolls

[quiet laurel]

right

[quiet laurel]

not even close to being close tbh

CD > CC and right has negative

[violet silo]

idk if combo duration vs status duration matters at all

[wise kettle]

alr ty

i mean I'm running crit influence volt so duration doesnt matter too much cuz the damage kinda just clears em

[violet silo]

they kinda seem like dead stats but status might matter for influence, which is why I wasnt confident

[quiet laurel]

sd only matters on gas builds

[violet silo]

I think it's somewhat close

[karmic badger]

-sd is bad, +sd is useless*

[mighty flare]

most important is umbral intensify, other used for set bonus
not necessary if ur on budget, or you can run them at unmaxed rank

[karmic badger]

Actually, would be funny if we could get status damage as a riven roll

[worldly veldt]

Trying to see how high I can get Oraxia health ||(this particular instance also had 2 Lohk surges of health and double strength void fissure buff)||. How am I doing? I have Blessing and Augmented. Gonna try for Growing Power soon-ish. Still don't have it unfortunately..

[karmic badger]

The vulpaphyla is happy to be therr

Actually, isn't there a link vitality for pets?

[worldly veldt]

Yeah I'm running that on him as well. Enemies just kept targeting before I could heal. Perhaps well of life...

[fervent aspen]

Nice

[hollow scarab]

is there a way to make voruna less squishy so i can actually use my otehr weapons?

[worldly veldt]

Adaptation is a safe bet as usual. Perhaps Arcane Blessing or just add armor

[steep abyss]

are both of your arcanes neccessary?
if not, use aegis;
you can use Wyrm prime to remove status effects / give yourslef shields

[hollow scarab]

what can i change to add stuff like adaptation without making her hit like a noodle

[hollow scarab]

can probably take off ice

[steep abyss]

are her abilities hitting like noodles?

[hollow scarab]

her 4 is yeah

[steep abyss]

her 4 scales off of strength,

you have 70% strength, thus, you have less damage than 100% strength

[worldly veldt]

Me personally. Vorunacan make hella energy so I'd finagle around equilibrium and replace that

[hollow scarab]

its really inconsitant. sometimes it decimates a crowd and others it just kinda tickles a single corpus

[steep abyss]

mm yes, that's due to the nature of her uh, status effect ability? iirc?

[finite tide]

Is this transmute food?

[hollow scarab]

yeah thats prob it

[quiet laurel]

what is builds discussion cooking on this early monday morning

[worldly veldt]

Yeah her status is a little quirky. You really gotta buff strength on it

[hollow scarab]

like 40% of the time i freeze everyone and shred and the other 60 i just have to sit there spamming

[worldly veldt]

If I had a Voruna rn, I'd scrap up a build for what you're looking for. But I subsumed recently and haven't gotten prime yet

[hollow scarab]

this look good?

[steep abyss]

i'd advise negative efficiency e.g. the corrupted bonus strength negative efficiency mod
idk if vorunas augments are any good

[steep abyss]

better yea

[quiet laurel]

build gets worse and worse 😭

[hollow scarab]

https://giphy.com/gifs/brownsugarapp-90s-devastating-dramatic-crying-d7rvF20PqNuGKSQGhf

neg eff

ill do it tho

[steep abyss]

what? why?

[worldly veldt]

Tbh. You can swap prep for Power Drift. Again. She makes energy pretty easy

[hollow scarab]

i like to always have energy and whenever i use that thing i find myself with my pants down a lot

[mighty flare]

thats because of how her 2 works innately: #1492606866482794601 message
look here if you dont understand how it works

[hollow scarab]

what would i replace with blind rage then? auger secrets?

[quiet laurel]

ok so if you run 4 augment I assume you run a 4 build, run more range, remove adaptation why would you run adaptation on vrouna, use cat shields instead for easy shield gating

equilibrium is really good on voruna dont replace that

actually nvm I misread, you good on range

[steep abyss]

easy shieldgating </3

[quiet laurel]

thought it was like 100 range for some reason

[hollow scarab]

i would run adaptation so the moment im seen i dont get nuked. the issue im having is im tryna make her 4 more consistant and also be able to use my other weapons without instantly dying

[quiet laurel]

her 4 just sucks

[hollow scarab]

it really needs the psudo exalted treatment of atlas or khora

[steep abyss]

shield gating is probably never worth the efford if you're not in SP endurance runs

[hollow scarab]

but i love the animation and how it feels to lurch around the map so i kinda wanna keep it

[quiet laurel]

this is wrong

shield gating is much more modding efficient and doesnt care about the damage you take

[steep abyss]

Nah, shield gating is not more modding efficient, this statement is objectively speaking wrong

[quiet laurel]

explain

[steep abyss]

you have to use mods that give you access to shieldgating on the warframe, right?

i can give you rn my wyrm build that

1. gives crit damage
2. removes status effects and replenishes my shields
3. primes

[old marsh]

Kuva Hind Build if anyone can share 🙏

[quiet laurel]

what does wyrm have to do with this

[steep abyss]

you have to sacrifice one mod slot for cata shields, you have to probably sacrifice your aura slot, and 2 more for augur

[quiet laurel]

shield gating needs 1 mod on the frame

[steep abyss]

no?

[quiet laurel]

DR tanking needs DR and health regen which is more investment

[velvet pulsar]

One slot for catalysing shields
One slot for augur mod which can be put on pistol or companion as well

[quiet laurel]

persistence needs armor threshold and health regen

which is also more investment

[steep abyss]

i'm not speaking about DR, tho,

[quiet laurel]

original point was that shield gating is the most modding efficient way to survive

[steep abyss]

More damage is also a form of surviveability btw

[quiet laurel]

and if its the most efficient, a comparison is logical

[velvet pulsar]

Catalysing Shields, since release, has set gate to 1.33s even though the mod says it does that on full shield gate.

Which means even 1 augur mod does the same job as several augur mods

[quiet laurel]

damage not

KPM yes

[finite tide]

Is this transmute food?

[quiet laurel]

but KPM alone doesnt make you survive unless you kill faster than enemies can aim at you

[steep abyss]

damage is neccessary for the stalkers

[quiet laurel]

there will always be bullets flying at you

[velvet pulsar]

Every 3-5 min spawns

[quiet laurel]

thats endo

[quiet laurel]

I mean yeah obviously you'd want dmg for things

[velvet pulsar]

On call crew and tauron strike and archgun can deal with them

[quiet laurel]

but we are drifting away from the original argument

[velvet pulsar]

For the rest of the mission, u can go back to regular playstyle

[hollow scarab]

doesnt shield gating leave you wide open tho if you arent constantly getting your shields back before they can hit you again? cuz ive noticed that its basically a gamble if youll be able to survive till you can gate again on a squishier frame like voruna when youre trying to use your weapons and not her abilities/staying invis

[quiet laurel]

its a skill that can easily be turned into muscle memory

[hollow scarab]

yeah i dont really wanna do that. at that point it would just be easier to stay invis or build to be able to tank said damage

[steep abyss]

so, the issue arrives at the word "efficiency"

efficiency means as much as what you're getting and what you're giving

i don't sacrifice any warframe slot, I don't sacrifice the meaning of my companion to support - due to lack of companion mods - he can still prime and buff me and shield gate me

sure, i'm sacrificing a bit of damage but my companion is meant to prime thus it's neccessarily more efficient

[quiet laurel]

1 mod on a warframe makes you immortal to anything except toxin so idk where the efficiency is lacking

[velvet pulsar]

Voruna is also one of the easiest frames to speed up manifold bond so u can try relying on Guardian from pet.

That would mean you're limiting yourself to robotic companion though.

[quiet laurel]

for voruna specifically she has her 1 which is an oh shit button

so like

when you cast her 1 you also have a shield gating on top of invis

and when you go out of invis you ideally still have that shield gate, hit a few times and then repeat the process

[hollow scarab]

that just kinda feels like extra tedium and effort over just building to be more durable overall

for essentially the same result

[quiet laurel]

I mean if you are lazy sure

[hollow scarab]

yeah im not ashamed to say i dont wanna be doing a bunch of extra stuff. i like shit streamlined

[velvet pulsar]

You can try Persistence voruna and see if that turns out more convenient for you (though it's a lot more investment)

And the healing will depend on melee kills

Unless u have other source

[mighty flare]

put fast deflection & vigilante vigor over augur reach & adaptation if ur using aegis
blind rage over secrets too

[velvet pulsar]

The lazy gating setup

[hollow scarab]

would this be good? i also have 2 tau str on here and im gonna fuse another one when i get the stela

cuz with this her 4 is more consistant but shes still p squishy

[velvet pulsar]

Primed Vigor

Increasing shields for invulnerability time made sense, but then a regular redirection was better.

Increasing health as well means you're not confident about the shield

[hollow scarab]

basically now that i got her 4 more consistant im tryna get to a place where i can also actually fire my guns without getting merked in like 2.5 seconds

[daring crystal]

Hi , i got a question here , does kullervo 2 trigger arcane avenger ? Even if he has overguard from it ??

[hollow scarab]

im not. idk how to survive longer without making it into a game of constantly running off to recharge

cuz rn i feel like im made of glass and dont hit hard rnough to compensate

[violet silo]

it does. why you would ever run avenger, i have no clue,

but it does.

[daring crystal]

Ah nice , thank you , well sometimes i just want to use primary on kullervo

[velvet pulsar]

Snipervo

[violet silo]

https://tenor.com/view/fentcord-true-coyote-gif-2599436844608872721

[hollow scarab]

ngl i hope they give styanax and voruna a rework at the same time to make them both a little more streamlined

not an overhaul i dont think they are that bad

just a touch up

[velvet pulsar]

The moment Styanax Prime arrives, his huge flaws will be exposed throughout the majority of the community

[hollow scarab]

tbh they could be fixed with the same tweak. give em psudo exalteds, then give sty's 4 some diminished bonuses from said mods so it doesnt break the game and there. fixed

[velvet pulsar]

His 1st ability grouping is both inconvenient and bad.
His 4th ability augment turned him into a boring playstyle which will just make players ask to buff his 4 rather than more ways to play

[hollow scarab]

the issue i had with his 4's og was that i dont get nearly enough to compete. like by the time i landed it gets ripped off already

[velvet pulsar]

And his 3rd ability is left to get an augment, so it's not like they can bring some band-aid augment to "fix" any of the issue

Quite weak for the 50th warframe

[hollow scarab]

i think the voruna stuff im noticing really could have been tweaked when they dropped her prime. cuz her 4 being kinda trash without setup is a bit glaring

it feels a little like when you used to have to prime and use stat sticks for khora's whip to actually do anything productive

[velvet pulsar]

Not many people played voruna before, so not much feedback went

Same thing will happen to Styanax Prime

[stone canopy]

Whats the ideal rolls I'd want on my verglas riven to be doing this

[velvet pulsar]

If u can somehow get this on your riven, then your riven can do that too

[hollow scarab]

and like part of me is just wanting to go back to kullervo which is sad cuz i REALLY fw the whole feral frame and how her 4 feels to use zooming around the room and looks visually is so cool but then it just isnt super productive

[velvet pulsar]

[stone canopy]

I'm using that and whatever else

I can post my setup in a sec

[hollow scarab]

would it be possible to do this on nautilis so i pull them in instead of throwing them out?

ik the status thing is wyrm only