builds-discussion

[gray quarry]

Not sure what you’d swap for tox, unless you do the elec mod but idk how that’d work

[tidal parrot]

yea, 1 slot for primed toxin mod and then rest for the normal stuff throw and explode glaive stuff

[gray quarry]

It’ll nuke either way, so probably doesn’t matter

[opal leaf]

True

[astral tinsel]

CC, CD, base damage, elementalist, initial combo, electric, faction dmg and radius (VQR)

[opal leaf]

Damn I really need to get melee adapter on zFalcor

[gray quarry]

Faction dmg can be swapped for elementalist too if you’re lazy(like I am)

[tidal parrot]

its for falcor, both it and the xoris alrdy do force electric

you can put on primed toxin mod and it will still proc electric similar to how epitaph does cold no mater what you mod onto it

[opal leaf]

I'd probably do that

[tidal parrot]

otherwise outside of xoris or falcor yea electric mod is needed

[astral tinsel]

shocking touch increases electric status damage by 90%

[gray quarry]

Which melee influence is spreading

[tidal parrot]

melee influince spreads based on combined damage

[astral tinsel]

nope

[tidal parrot]

.

bigboy legit alrdy pulled it up

[wind hound]

Anyone got a build for Coda Huradu?

[gray quarry]

Read the last paragraph and compare it to the first

The viral and elec compare to just elec

[tidal parrot]

re-read it slowly and thoroughly and difference between viral and elec vs just elec is that just elec does 158.4 damage and puts a 211.2 elec DoT on enemies while viral + elec does 475.2 combined damage (158.4 elec and 316.8 viral) then apply a viral and elec proc with elec proc doing a 211.2 DoT.

(using the sakana example it would do a 237.6 raw damage with a 250.8 elec proc with a 90% elec mod)

so while im not exactly sure what the damage value looks like for the force impact electric dot from the xoris/falcor it looks like it would hold true that if your aiming to kill with a DoT then yea modding raw electric is better but for xoris and falcor you can get a higher raw damage influince proc with smthn like a primed toxin mod.

which to give some credit with a faction mod/roar raw electric is probably better due to the double dip making the DoT do more, if your not though I feel prty confident that you can probably do better with higher raw damage rather then specifically higher raw elec

also just want to add that 1 viral stack would double the health damage of the elc proc or for xoris and falcor (against enemies with a full 90% armour dr 1 corrosive proc would give a roughly 2.3x damage increase) which to be fair, if your intentionally priming enemies with viral/corrosive then all in on the electric DoT but if your not then you can probably get better results from having the primed toxin mod on

[crisp spire]

Can anyone drop a torid incarnon build

[tidal parrot]

this one instead mb, swap riven with serration or primed fulmination

you could also do galv scope instead and then swap merciless with dead head (if you really like crits)

[opal leaf]

Well it's probably the basic Corrosive Blast Torid

But I don't use it, I use Viral Slash on the Torid but I'll try search if I still have the Build

My only build is Viral slash tbh hahaha

[tidal parrot]

viral slash isnt as good as corrosive blast

[opal leaf]

I know
Since Torid is very strong I balanced it out with mine

[tidal parrot]

(tbf its the torid so its comparing apples to oranges) but viral slash was the meta torid build untill jade shadows

[opal leaf]

Yeah I know that too

[opal leaf]

It's just fun seeing Acolytes melt on it

[crisp spire]

Thats ok anything will help me lol

Send it whenever u could id appreciate it

[opal leaf]

Viral Slash, like the one you see in the video

[mighty flare]

if ur armor stripping, that's even moreso reason not to use slash

[crisp spire]

Awesome thanks

[opal leaf]

I knoe, again

I already know all of this

For me it's just fun

[opal leaf]

Caution tho: it's not practical, it's not a good build, Torid is just a powerful gun

[crisp spire]

Forsure

[opal leaf]

I just use it bc it seems funny to me

[opal leaf]

I might do Electric Slash next on Torid and see how it goes hahahaha

It's fun experimenting on Torid fr

[static sphinx]

Which kuva weapons are the best?

[tidal parrot]

(personally) im a big fan of the nukor kohm and sobek, ogris is fun but feels like its really only used for specific things, zarr is very good on on call crew and cyte 09, otherwise tho ive heared decent stuff about the bramma chakkhur and hek even tho im not the biggest fan of them

also kuva grattler has some uses and can be a decent arch gun if you want as well

[wispy crag]

how would i go about making nekros build

[tidal parrot]

end of the day its kinda personal preference although the kuva nukor is one of the best secondaries in the entire game easily competing with incarnon secondaries

[tidal parrot]

are you looking for a looting build with a squad or a necromancer build?

[static sphinx]

So, zarr and nukor are the best 2 overall?

[elfin sluice]

depends on the activity. some defaults to include are equilibrium to regain energy off of your kills since desecrate constantly makes health orbs, and shield of shadows so you don't die to stubbing your toe

[wispy crag]

necromancer

[tidal parrot]

zarr is really only good if you can support the ammo for it, its very strong yes, but has very little ammo which is why its best on cyte and crewmate

[static sphinx]

Alright, thanks

[crisp spire]

Which one is better

[tidal parrot]

final fusillade, plentiful mayhem is awful

[crisp spire]

They my only two options 😂

[elfin sluice]

the big thing with nekros is what weapon you use with them, really. nekros' build is pretty rigid in its demands - mostly focused on energy and defense.

[crisp spire]

Oh i thought u ment both are awful

Mb ty

[wispy crag]

oh i see

[tidal parrot]

this is what i use for mine, i have a casting speed shard and some duration shards but aside from casting speed (because his 4 has a long cast) you can kinda do whatever for the shards

[elfin sluice]

if you're using a non-prime nekros and have a max-rank blind rage equipped, [endurance drift] is a must-have in the exilus slot in order to be able to cast your fourth skill, since the increased inefficiency will put its cost above your default energy cap.

[tidal parrot]

unless you use flow or energy max shards

[elfin sluice]

^ - energy shards are a huge qol boost for him

[wispy crag]

ty

[tidal parrot]

just wana clarify that i also run nourish which between desecrate, equilibrium and nourish gives tons of energy plus companions typically runs synth deconstruct to spit out more health orbs as well

[elfin sluice]

you generally want as much range as possible if you're planning on taking him into a group setting, though - your teammates are impossible to chain to yourself, so if you wanna catch their kills with your skill without chasing them down, it's better to have as much range as possible.

[tidal parrot]

nourish is also used cuz it makes the sommons do viral damage as well

[wispy crag]

ok

[tidal parrot]

if you are aiming for farming then imop its actually better to not use your 4 (if your doing a kill zone thing with khora) since it can cause enemies to not get close enough for strangle dome

[elfin sluice]

was referring to his third skill, desecrate

doesn't always cover the entire room if you don't mod it up

[tidal parrot]

im aware, however you mentioned taking him into a group setting which (atleast when i do) is for the sake of purely farming which is where his 4 becomes more detrimental to farms than it can be positive. case in point my looting nekros build that focuses on just using his desecrate skill is just a hair under max moddable range with most everything else being about positive and not much further since my looting nekros is just to sit there and desecrate everything

[hushed harbor]

what's the strongest sparring weapon rn

or, fist

whatever they r called

im going to get the carnivex collection and wanna utilize the fist skin

[elfin sluice]

for aux purposes, the furax is a nice one since it buffs secondaries just by being equipped(given its amalgam mod anyway)

[hushed harbor]

i will probably be heavy attacking a lot

[tidal parrot]

bungup seemed to want a build that focuses more on having summons then pure looting, which for pure looting i 100% agree modding range all day long is the way to go, but for a build focusing on his 4, aside from putting overextend in over stretch/fast deflection which can harm the strength of his summons and nourish, which, tbf there is the 60% from camisado to cancel it out the negative atleast but still it brings down the maximum of your buffs on your summons in favour of more looting and less summon stuff

[cursive peak]

The obex / prisma obex can equip a suda mod that generates energy. You can usually just use that instead of needing any energy economy mods

[hushed harbor]

i mean a weapon that will be a primary source of damage

not meant to buff other things, but the thing being buffed

with warcry and wrathful advance

[elfin sluice]

also the furax, honestly. Its incarnon isn't awful. Just replace the amalgam mod with literally anything else since primary/secondary dexterity on your archgun does the same job as it

[hushed harbor]

Furax Wraith?

[cursive peak]

Sparring weapons generally are outclassed by other melees for that sort of setup. But I'd guess either furax or ruvox

[elfin sluice]

wraith's the best of em yeah, but give the regular one a try first

wraith requires farming

[hushed harbor]

i already have Wraith

[cursive peak]

Coda hirudo's not bad either

[hushed harbor]

i have that too

ig i'll try them

[novel bear]

Why do you have so much health and zero armor buffs or dr
Put on health conversion or something over despoil, nekros is never hurting for energy

[elfin sluice]

nekros is never hurting for energy
chuckles in shield gate

[tidal parrot]

cuz its a build ment to sit there and descrate everything while teammates like nova and khora speed up enemies and kill tons of them quickly

[novel bear]

Then why do you need so much health?

[tidal parrot]

desecrate eats health with despoil augment?

[elfin sluice]

i raise my nekros' health for the dual purpose of despoil insurance and arcane bellicose's sake generally

[novel bear]

You are generating lots of health orbs
So is nova

[velvet pulsar]

If u were using persistence on nekros, would've been understandable

[novel bear]

Even then, that needs something like health conversion

[tidal parrot]

also ive just had times where i run out of energy before and desecrate gets shut off so especially for things where i want to have desecrate going 24/7 i prefer despoil

[elfin sluice]

how would you build for that, perchance? have been trying to figure out something for it.

[velvet pulsar]

Shield of Shadows is mandatory.

[elfin sluice]

i've got the armor locked in via three tauforged blue shards

[velvet pulsar]

...for status immunity

[tidal parrot]

mostly a preference / increases the health pool that it can pull from while letting me use like pillage or whatever to stay alive

[pastel rapids]

Is there anyway for my build to be better? I’m using corrosive blast. Should I switch to using viral?

[potent flint]

Corroblast is the best general option and that's a perfect build IMO

[tidal parrot]

you can probably drop rime rounds (or primed cry up to you) for serration and swap one of the CD mods for prime firestorm or fire rate

or some combination of swaping one of the extra cold mods for firestorm or fire rate

[tidal parrot]

this is what i use (riven is giving me more crit chance and crit damage so i could probably take off critical delay for firerate but i like redcrits)

[opal leaf]

Viral.... Never really work work

I mean it does, viral works in any weapon it's just, not that much in Torid Than corrosive blast

[opal leaf]

What's your Riven Stat?

[opal leaf]

Oohh.... Damn you're hitting red Crits on Torid

[tidal parrot]

thats the intention

[opal leaf]

Fair point

[tidal parrot]

really high CC roll to

[opal leaf]

Probably the highest I've seen

All ranks up to 220 as I've saw before

[violet silo]

not the projectile speed!

shots fly in slow motion

[tidal parrot]

ikr if only there was something that could help mitagate that negative 😔

[violet silo]

neat

[tidal parrot]

+9 ammo is like probably slightly more useful for me without the riven but like the evo makes it virtually nothing for some prty major crit buffs

yea without projectile speed it just goes like 17m and then hits the ground XD

wait nvm

it just does that with or without projectile speed

[mighty flare]

What is that serration mod? New variant?

[potent flint]

What's that app? 👀

[tidal parrot]

you can get the special mod stuff from the follie mission stuff

[tidal parrot]

alleca frame, its pc only and is used as user risk as warframe is a little bit of a grey area with some 3rd party apps

[potent flint]

Is there any mobile option? Like an app, Page or something? Or all screenshots with those A+/B/C stats are from allecaframe?

[elfin sluice]

*windows only
does not work on linux

[tidal parrot]

no idea however theres probably some site that if you put in the rolls will tell you how good or bad the roll is

[tidal parrot]

then it will pop up a selection option to let you chose from about 20ish mods i think, it looks like it only applies to you highest level mod and you cant buy more of the same

[gray lintel]

is this a good roll

[velvet pulsar]

Autograph mod

[green gyro]

not really

[neon herald]

Does repeater clip proc/work on da coda bubonico?

[ripe goblet]

not sure

[clear crest]

yo if im going for level cap on ivara in disruption should i go xata's or eclipse over her 2?

[ripe goblet]

depends on your play style

[celest tendon]

What mods and archon shards to put into Octavia prime for lvl cap of survival or any other mod.

[fierce lark]

eclipse if you're using a glaive/zaw, xata's if you're using a blast weapon, roar otherwise

im still a little out of the loop on general use xata vs roar

i think xatas is better if you're using a faction mod or purely raw dmg

[torpid prairie]

guys, I recently got yareli and she seems like a secundary weapon platform, should I use the dual toxocyst or the kuva nukor?

[tidal parrot]

dual tox is proably better since iirc she maily buffs CC which the nukor has like a whole 7% of and uses enervate to be able to stack a ridiciouls amount

[pseudo stream]

Guys, for Valkyr, which is better: combat discipline/arcane avenger or just steel charge

[tidal parrot]

imop you can get a lot of crit stuff arldy for her claws and between her passive and ability strength (which i belive scales additively with base damage but i could be wrong) you can just go steel charge so you dont need to put any base damage mods on valkyr's claws

similar with cd, where if you have atleast 501 energy you can just put on a bunch of the purple crit damage shards so you dont even need to mod for cd and can mod for status, element, cc, and whatever else

[proper meadow]

what will people say to improve on this?

[tidal parrot]

whats on the riven?

[proper meadow]

multishot and crit damage

[tidal parrot]

swap magnetic might for a cold mod

and mby add some cc ig

assuming your using viper wraith might be worth while to swap dead head for enervate or smthn

unless you got like a high cc roll on a riven

[proper meadow]

Why cold?

[tidal parrot]

Cuz toxin is mixing with heat to make gas when you can swap off mag might for smthn like the 60/60 cold mod for viral heat

[proper meadow]

I don't need viral tho?

[fast delta]

which mod shall i change for this torid incarnon build ?

and i want a riven mod for torid which stats should i go for

[tidal parrot]

10 stacks of viral makes you do 325% more damage. It's a lot better then has because has is technically bugged to not be as good as it should be when an enemy dies because gas doesn't remember "where it game from"

[proper meadow]

I have viral on my drone

[tidal parrot]

If you don't want viral then atleast do corrosive

[proper meadow]

Corrosive is literally 100% useless tho

[undone dust]

arent you the guy that only fights techrot

[proper meadow]

Yes

[tidal parrot]

💀

[proper meadow]

Techrot just is peak

[fast delta]

which mod should i replace for a riven ? and which stats do i need for the torid riven ?

[tidal parrot]

Well outside of techrot when enemies have armour. Being able to reduce it is really good. BUT otherwise, take off the toxin mod and just put on smthn like merciless might I think so you can hit more guys per bullet because heat is one of the best DoTs in the game

[tidal parrot]

Ms cc cd. Minus recoil / zoom if you don't have a insane torid riven tho just replace whatever the riven matches ie if you have a riven with base damage replace serration, fire rate vile acceleration etc

Think cd is more desirable then cc generally but torid rivens are good regardless of if their a God roll or not

[proper meadow]

Rly? But not gas for 1.5x damage?

[astral warren]

Is 2 blue,2 yellow and 1 red shards good enough for sevagoth?

[fast delta]

so i should go for cd cc do i need a negative stat ?

[proper meadow]

Negative stat makes the positives stronger so..

[fast delta]

ok then i will search one with cc cd and a good negative

[tidal parrot]

heat has effectively infnite scalling damage as long as the enemy doesnt have a max status cap

[proper meadow]

But they don't really survive long enough to take much DoT anyways?

[tidal parrot]

torid doesnt need a riven to be good. the build you have is alrdy more than good enough for legit any content in the game. but if your looking for a riven then find one that has bad stats and reroll it untill you get smthn with good stats

[tidal parrot]

are you playing on steel path?

[proper meadow]

Yes

Also do I want 60/60 mods or 90 mods?

[tidal parrot]

id say 60/60 couldnt hurt, but otherwise a little bit of punchthrough so you can hit more enemies per bullet

how often is your viper critting?

[proper meadow]

I play harrow so yes

Always

[fast delta]

ok

[tidal parrot]

fair enough

[tidal parrot]

which sentient are you using/how many statuses is it priming?

but overall though, for the specific frame and enemies your fighting its basically aboug as good as its gona be, but for general use in a void without harrow and against enemies other than techron youd probably want viral/corrosive + heat and probably swap deadhead to enervate

[proper meadow]

Sentient?

[tidal parrot]

sentinel, sorry i get them mixed up all the time 😭

[proper meadow]

If you mean companion it's diriga it's 5 status (heat cold viral magnetic radiation)

[tidal parrot]

do you have momentus bond on it?

and if you arent, id reccomend using smthn like the burst laser prime/prisma burst laser or any other weapon that has ips and atleast 25% crit chance

[proper meadow]

Uhh which one was that

[tidal parrot]

when i think the player kills an eximus (might be companion but if it tags it then it counts anyways iirc) it gives it an elemental bonus element

[proper meadow]

That's for wait

That's not for melee only I NEED IT

[tidal parrot]

priming

makes your dirga apply every status just about in the game and then your viper will do tons more damage

[mortal palm]

ocucor or dual toxi ?

im a bout to spend 120p just for dual toxi cuz cant seem to waste time for tier 10

[proper meadow]

Why didn't pick it for tier 5 then?

[mortal palm]

i picked torid

[proper meadow]

Also that's rly hard to get for me since I'm rank 1 with the place and I shouldn't spend all my plat on 1 mod..

[mortal palm]

dh proper primary gun

[tidal parrot]

idk how much it is but guess you should do smthn other then techrot for a little bit

[proper meadow]

It's almost 15p

[tidal parrot]

not that bad tbh

[tall surge]

cen i ask abut reven i got?

[tidal parrot]

you have like another 16 hours to either go to tier 10 or buy it, both are quite strong tho so you cant go wrong with either one

[tidal parrot]

sure

[tall surge]

emmm...

[tidal parrot]

not great tbh

[tall surge]

im not gona use it

[blazing bear]

What is a good build for excalibur umbra

[tall surge]

||how much for it I would go?||

[proper meadow]

It's quite bad

[tidal parrot]

10-20p roughly mby less. its basically just a bit better primed point blank which isnt super good

[tidal parrot]

it costs more to buy 1 forma its a little more then what i would think companion mods would typically go for but it is a very stong one

[proper meadow]

forma isnt worth to buy tho its very easy to just passively craft some and it isnt needed that much

[undone dust]

what weapon are you using for diriga?

[proper meadow]

Artax

[undone dust]

for what purpose twin

[proper meadow]

Priming obviously?

[undone dust]

yeah but you could use any of the ones that have ips for an extra 3 elements ontop of what you already have

[proper meadow]

I don't have those tbh

Also my viper does those pretty well

[undone dust]

ah fair tbh

isnt artax taxon's weapon? i can't remember
i know taxon's has innate cold that doesnt get combined but i cant remember if thats artax

[proper meadow]

Yes

It's on artax

[velvet pulsar]

Only 20% of the cold doesn't combine

The rest combines

So if u used toxin, you'll get cold & viral

AKA: achoo!

[glass salmon]

yo chat whats the best build to use for follie the zapper build or the barrel build?

[shell wasp]

Besides using Citrine, is there any other way to cap Melee doughty to 50x?

[charred kiln]

what primary do you guys use as a go-to? i'm looking for a hitscan rifle that's not super gimmicky to use

[velvet pulsar]

Tenet Glaxion is an option

[radiant lava]

which options should i get ? is -range can be negate with primed reach ? or melee influence doesn't need range ?

[proper meadow]

Should I keep using +multishot +crit damage on my viper or switch to my new +damage +heat -magazine?

[green gyro]

-range kills the riven

unfortunately

just pick right and reroll

[radiant lava]

yes which should go ?

ok , thanks

[vale abyss]

Gyro or sevagoth to farm as returning player for kinda non brainer clearing solo missions as saryn is fine. But on solo missions there isnt enough enemies around for it to be anything fun

[radiant lava]

oh i got new one now , i guess better ?

[green gyro]

much better

right is actually quite good

[radiant lava]

thanks 😄 i will choose this

[green gyro]

you can stop on that

it would also sell for a bit of plat

[velvet pulsar]

It'll sell for a lot of plat after obex incarnon

[green gyro]

status chance isn't the most desirable but yes it's good

[radiant lava]

yep i'm waiting for incarnon first 😄 then decide later , i just prepare for incarnon

[shy veldt]

How should i build gyre?

[shut ermine]

The weapon feels kinda weak

[thin quartz]

What is a good build to make mesa's 4 actually do alright damage? I made a change to my build recently and I'm stuck doing 4.4k a shot with no crits or changes at all

[astral tinsel]

it's not the strongest for sure

[quiet laurel]

DE creating one of the best weapon designs just for it to be absolutely useless

[astral tinsel]

all the more reason not to triple stack base damage, slot elementalist without damaging status other than a tiny amount of slash and use a r1 duplicate on top

same on the rifle - you're triple stacking base damage, have no crit damage and that r4 acuity is probably worse than even regular split chamber

[astral tinsel]

well are you modding for crit

with creeping bullseye you should have 75% CC

[vernal cedar]

what specter loadout do you usually run

[coral crest]

Vinquibus was designed to make people stop using stat stick melees, obviously

[craggy niche]

Do avenger with creeoing bullseye and corrosive heat and have nourish to inject viral

[opal leaf]

None

Use your current frame and rip them hard

[thin quartz]

I do not have nourish yet but I'll keep that in mind

[thin quartz]

I think I have a 75% cc from a shard I have plugged in

Petition to wipe fandom wiki off the face of the earth it's page on archon shards was literally useless

[astral tinsel]

why did you even go there

[thin quartz]

I clicked on the wrong link on accident

[limpid belfry]

Cascadia Flare or Secondary Enervate on Mesa?

[versed harbor]

depends on rest of ur setup :/

[limpid belfry]

they both workk but idk what's better

i also use Hot Shot and Velocity

[versed harbor]

do u have outburst or fortifier?

[limpid belfry]

lemme see

none of those

[versed harbor]

keep flare for now then tbh

u have so much cc already u dont rly care for enervate

[limpid belfry]

ohh fortifier could fix my surviveability problem

[thin quartz]

Interesting build I might steal it.. nobody will ever know.

[limpid belfry]

where do i farm fortifier?

[limpid belfry]

i will

[thin quartz]

My issue is currently I was silly with trying to get absurd fire rate but I'm just not doing any damage anymore

[limpid belfry]

also if i have flare on my secondary, will that count for Regulators?

[limpid belfry]

oh i'm a machine gun and do still absurds amount of damage

[versed harbor]

nah none of those effects carry over other than like augur set which is just survivability

[limpid belfry]

cuz it's still in my buff section

whenever i use Regulators

[versed harbor]

yeye its just applying to the weapon that proc'd it

[limpid belfry]

right

[versed harbor]

you should see two instances of the same buff I think

[limpid belfry]

nope, just one Flare

[astral tinsel]

it's probably shared

but only applies to weapons with the arcane equipped

[limpid belfry]

mhmmm

[thin quartz]

Primed heated was huge from Baro for me

[limpid belfry]

well now that i have fortifier, i can rebuild my entire build

[thin quartz]

Hot shot sounds really good for heat Mesa but I can't reasonably get it at all

[limpid belfry]

that multiplier. multiplies what?

total damage?

[thin quartz]

I think so

[astral tinsel]

it's actually modded base damage

[limpid belfry]

oh

[thin quartz]

Interesting

[astral tinsel]

so additive to hornet strike etc

[limpid belfry]

so i won't build into strength much then

[thin quartz]

I still think it would benefit from having strength though

[limpid belfry]

ability maxing

[versed harbor]

ye some strength is good but u dont have to fully go into it

[limpid belfry]

i have 155% rn

[versed harbor]

range more important tbh

[limpid belfry]

fr?

[versed harbor]

ye big range mesa fan

[limpid belfry]

why's that

[thin quartz]

The fov shrinks alot less I'd guess

[astral tinsel]

larger muzzle flash CC radius

[versed harbor]

big cone on 4, big crowd control on shooting gallery, helps for ur subsume say ur running nourish or w/e

[limpid belfry]

ohh

[shy veldt]

How should I mod the vadarya prim?

[vale abyss]

I do more with a flamethrower than skills of saryn

[umbral trellis]

Which upgrade should I go with?

[whole linden]

LF new amp configuration, currently running 147. Any suggestions?

[eternal prism]

547
147 already fine

[eternal prism]

Depends riven i think but balance for me look better

[empty vortex]

547 177 777

147 is good you should be good 🙏

[glass salmon]

anyone?

[hollow plover]

yes

[remote saddle]

Can anyone share a yareli build?

[opal leaf]

Do viral magnetic (as that's what I use) that's usually the build I go for

[opal leaf]

Middle

Always the middle

[umbral trellis]

Got it, I'll switch it. I went with the one on the left at first

[opal leaf]

Mah that sucks, go middle heheheh

[nova swift]

Heres a guardian build, the heavy weapon is important cause it makes your companion proc the arcanes when you are riding merulina

[smoky field]

do i keep the right and roll? i have galv reflex and corrupt charge for 8x base combo

[prime ivy]

Heh I just put xata's on one of my hildryn setups, it's airship time

[velvet pulsar]

What about Primary kitgun with residual arcane & theorem infection on yareli?

Will that allow companion to buff itself?

[nova swift]

im not sure? I have a vague recollection that I tested this but I cant remember

[wary forge]

hopefully u kept left

[wary forge]

we got adaptation on yareli

when her 2 is 90% dr

[velvet pulsar]

Affects overguard IIRC

[nova swift]

Yea I dropped that when I realised I can get fri 15k overguard on her with my pet, so it turns into 150k overguard because of merulina's 90% damage redirection

[velvet pulsar]

Also, bogos binted.

[nova swift]

lemme login to see what I slapped on her

[deep grotto]

Enervate’s what you use on a Nukor to get a hybrid build, right?

Question is
Does the crit specifically come from Enervate or should I slap some crit mods onto my Nukor as well??

Like

Primer build + enervate = hybrid??

[wary forge]

ye you should p much never die with fortifer

[deep grotto]

Oh

[velvet pulsar]

Just enervate

[nova swift]

slapped augur reach on for easier overshields to sustain overcharge

[wary forge]

ye u can shield gate by spamming her snares

[deep grotto]

So
Don’t put any crit mods?

[nova swift]

primary obstruct does work btw

why would I shield gate before lvl 1k tho, seems like a lot of work

[velvet pulsar]

No CC mods
Still CD mods

[wary forge]

yareli is really comfy

[deep grotto]

Noted

[potent flint]

Don't use crit mods, nukor has the crit chance of a potatoe, but that arcane does miracles

[wary forge]

u dont need 2 ye ur 2 dr and the fortifer is gonna be enough im just saying

[wary forge]

enervate is final crit so it gives the seconday 45% crit chance it doesnt multiply the crit like with crit mods

[violet silo]

Primer build plus enervate doesn’t give you a hybrid, it gives you a primer build that kills things before your melee can

[wary forge]

im talking about avenger mb but ye

its the samething

[violet silo]

enervate isn’t final crit, it’s flat crit

[wary forge]

oh really

[violet silo]

yeah. flat 10% crit chance per shot

if it were final, it wouldn’t be nearly as good

[velvet pulsar]

What's the scaling differences here about final & flat?

[wary forge]

oh ye i meant flat crit

i just got them mixed up

[velvet pulsar]

Both are unaffected by CC mods right?

[wary forge]

final is like point stike and stuff like that

[violet silo]

no

[velvet pulsar]

Ok that's worse terminology

[deep grotto]

Im assuming i’d keep base damage on this build
Like it’s a primer build but one that does damage

[velvet pulsar]

Primer build focuses on increasing elements

Primer build also doesn't use CD mods

Enervate build is very different

[violet silo]

The base is taken into account when you mod, that’s the numbers the mods are boosting
Then there’s the modded amount and anything that is additive with those mods
Then there’s the final, which takes the total after the mods and boosts that
Then there’s flat, which just gives a set amount of critical hit chance and ignores the mods and base.

[deep grotto]

Aighty

[wary forge]

ye basically avenger, eneravte and the adazrva kavat give thew weapon just the respective crit no matter what so like if u have 100% crit and use avenger its gonna be at 145%

[violet silo]

that’s how kullervo hits reds

[wary forge]

ye and harrow

[velvet pulsar]

So tell me how a pistol getting 100% final CC
VS
the same getting 100% flat CC

on existing 100% modded value is different

[wary forge]

cause covenant is also flat

[velvet pulsar]

That is, guaranteed orange crit

Both will give orange crit at 200% CC

What's the difference of results here?

[violet silo]

if I have 50 cc with mods, +100% final only boosts to 100%.

you take the total crit chance after mods n double it

[velvet pulsar]

Found the error

[wary forge]

thers no diffence in the actual crit ammount and or like how u get it

like for what ur saying

100% final and flat function the same

[deep grotto]

Im wondering what colour a big crit is though

[graceful wave]

would someone very kindly drop a mirage eso nuke build

[velvet pulsar]

@violet silo

[violet silo]

yes?

[velvet pulsar]

This turns cedo alt fire into guaranteed crit at 200% str

[wary forge]

yes

[velvet pulsar]

By your logic, that shouldn't have been possible

[wary forge]

because it jsut gives the weapon 50% crit

[deep grotto]

^

[velvet pulsar]

Orange

[deep grotto]

Ty

[velvet pulsar]

(and this is also true for base Cedo too BTW)

[wary forge]

so like if ur weapon has 10% crit is gonna be at 60% not 10 times 50% which is 15% crit

[velvet pulsar]

Exactly

Final critical chance can be further said into 2 categories

1. Final additive crit, which Ballistic Bullseye & Arcane Avenger are.
2. Final crit multiplier

Final crit multiplier IIRC only exists for Magnus augment now.

So the logic you said about 50% modded value turning into 100% if used a 100% bonus, applies to magnus augment

[velvet pulsar]

As far as the official in game terminology goes, this augment defines Final Critical Chance as Arcane Avenger category.

[deep grotto]

Hrm
Do you think i could get enough mod space for this by just using a 5 forma build instead of a potato?

[violet silo]

I can’t find shit about this. seems like it is “final” as in applied after mods, but it’s also flat, as in it ignores mods

[deep grotto]

Since K.Nukor can overlevel?

[wary forge]

ye its weird

[velvet pulsar]

I don't give budget build advice.

Someone else must be specialized in this.

[deep grotto]

Honestly im just curious
I have potatoes

So does a friend of mine that’s also gonna get nukor soon

[violet silo]

really can’t find anything on what final means, but from the two uses that I know of it, it looks like just a flat increase in whatever

i’m not sure why you would need to add final to anything though

[velvet pulsar]

The final crit multiplier you're talking about used to exist for acuity mods & that secondary Cascadia rolling arcane

[deep grotto]

Ig im just wondering if overleveling would give enough mod space ngl

[velvet pulsar]

We also used to have another category of flat crit, being Ivara's old Navigator augment

It used to add base CC before mods, just like an incarnon perk.

Now it's just an additive increase like avenger or adarza

[hushed garnet]

Would anyone be able to help me decipher if a riven i got is good or not?

[thin quartz]

This stuff makes my head hurt

[hushed garnet]

Honestly tho

[wary forge]

sure send it

[wary forge]

not the best

[mystic quail]

Its mid IMO,

[hushed garnet]

Noted. Thank you!

I shall keep rolling

[pallid quiver]

ballistic battery lowkey that one ability that everyone subsumes off

it doesnt fit with the rest of her kit

[velvet pulsar]

Except when you're specifically running cedo

[pallid quiver]

theres a cedo synergy?

tbf when im running mesa im just using the 4 and not much else

[velvet pulsar]

The alt fire nukes rooms

Ballistic Battery buffs it unbelievably

[pallid quiver]

ohhh

it nukes rooms without ballistic battery anyways lowkey

[velvet pulsar]

It doesn't have guaranteed crits by itself though

With Ballistic Battery you can make it guaranteed crit

[mental night]

yall got any of themmmm. Grendel Prime builds?

this is what im runnin right now, just a very general caster build

[wary forge]

caster grndle with no augment

[deep grotto]

Honestly all you want is his augs i feel

[primal tangle]

hi

wich of these should i pick

[wary forge]

second

[primal tangle]

and what stats should i be looking for in torid

[primal tangle]

the crit chance one?

[wary forge]

yes

cc/cd/multi/fr

[primal tangle]

fr?

[wary forge]

status chance isnt bad same with damge

[wary forge]

fire rate

[primal tangle]

ok and the one i just got now do u think it would sell for a good amount ?

[pallid quiver]

ohhhh ok

[wary forge]

ye i mean its not bad useable for sure

torid is jsut so over saturated

[primal tangle]

im rerolling to get good stats to sell not use

but im not sure if i should keep rolling or is this good

[wary forge]

i mean its gonna be harder to sell

and its worh less

[primal tangle]

wich of these?

[wary forge]

left still

[pallid quiver]

is bro gambling for a groll to sell for 2k

[remote saddle]

Whats the weapon?

[primal tangle]

maybe teehee

[smoky field]

my base dmg looks very low to me, im using arcane fury to make up for this. anything else i can do? other than subsume or playing a specific frame? i run a nautilus primer too

[wary forge]

you need 2x effieceny

[nova swift]

Sporelacer + Haymaker + Killstream, but for pure yareli gameplay getting a bit more status on the loader is fine too (acroid, macro acroid) because of the sheer insane firerate you will have

[wary forge]

put focus radon over shatter

also theres the nira mods u run

[south mist]

Does duplex bond work on venari?

[smoky field]

i dont really do level cap stuff, isnt base 8x combo enough for most content?

[wary forge]

yes

[smoky field]

ohk

[wary forge]

8x combo is enough for level cap

[smoky field]

oh?

[wary forge]

u jsut need 2x effic so you dont lose combo

when u slam

[remote saddle]

Noted on this thankyou

[smoky field]

ohk ty

[wary forge]

sancti doesnt need blood rush cause of the higher base crit

[smoky field]

i see, i just love the red numbers too

[wary forge]

theres also these for ur warframe

[smoky field]

wow, this is huge

[wary forge]

yep

[smoky field]

i run an abomination of a build on my khora just to slam, this will help

[thin quartz]

I'll adjust my Mesa build a little to see if I can get the damage numbers up

I'm just waiting for primed pistol gambit to come around

[wary forge]

anguish is an exilus mod so ye they are pretty easy to fit

[mental night]

10 PLAT A MOD?!

HELL no

[deep grotto]

You don’t even need all of them 💀

[mental night]

that still means i need like, 30 plat for the 3 that interest me

[deep grotto]

Just like
Two
Hearty Nourishment and Gastro

[mental night]

Catapult also seems fun

[wary forge]

ball is subsume

[mental night]

absolutely not

ball is love. ball is life.

[deep grotto]

You can do what catapult does just by bouncing off something as ball

[thin quartz]

What's the range you need to hit for red crits

[wary forge]

u dont need a subsume on grendle like at all

[velvet pulsar]

Hearty Nourishment my beloved

(it's not)

[thin quartz]

I wish arcanes weren't such a chore to get because id kill for that pistol arcane on mesa

[pallid quiver]

yeah or u can do 1-1 trades with ur own standing

[pallid quiver]

velocity?

isnt it fairly easy to get iirc

[mental night]

what standing is grendel?

[pallid quiver]

i remember i got that one pretty early on

[thin quartz]

I think so yes arcane velocity

[pallid quiver]

any augment is r5 with a syndicate and costs 25000 standing

or 2500 i forget how many 0s

u need the right syndicate tho, or trade with someone else for an augment they want

[primal tangle]

wich of these r better

[thin quartz]

Oh interesting they just drop from a mission!

[wary forge]

left

rivens with no negatives are worthless

[pallid quiver]

cc is hard to beat

[primal tangle]

ty

[mental night]

how much would this be worth ig?

[sacred hedge]

Anyone have a nuke build for nova

[wary forge]

hard to say

[mental night]

heres what i got on Grendel now
yes i know its mismatched polarity im not formaing him yet shut up

[wary forge]

no negative its pretty mid

[mental night]

how much would you pay for him

[pallid quiver]

where catapult

[wary forge]

i wouldnt ever by a riven with no negative

[violet silo]

I wouldn’t.

[mental night]

is it really that bad?

[primal tangle]

whats the best way to farm kuva

[wary forge]

arbitrations

[pallid quiver]

its not bad but its not a groll so people usually dont wanna pay for a half-assed goodish roll

[mental night]

i mean

ill sell it for like, 15 plat

[violet silo]

it’s like a 6/10 riven for a mid weapon that doesn’t really want heat, I believe.

[mental night]

rivens a riven i think

honestly i just wanna get rid of em

[wary forge]

f im being brutally honest this build is not the best

[pallid quiver]

if u wanna sell it for trash price u should look at what the trash price is on the market rn

[mental night]

just got em, still feeling out what works best on him

do people bulk buy trash rivens?

[wary forge]

hes pretty easy to live on with a ton since he has high hp and good armor

[wary forge]

yes

[pallid quiver]

only unrolled, and thats so they can gamble for a groll

to flip

[mental night]

ive got some unrolleds

[formal gust]

Question is Equilibria a waste on mod capacity for Oraxia?

[mental night]

got this thing

[pallid quiver]

honestly if u wanna sell rivens fast just list them for the lowest current going price on wfm, just make sure u sort it to only players currently in game or ur gonna lowball urself something crazy 😭

i accidentally sold a bubonico riv for 20p cuz i forgot to filter to only online in game

[mental night]

i.. do not know how to do that

i know what warframe market is, just not how to sell rivens

[pallid quiver]

so theres a contracts tab

in the market website

[wary forge]

this is my bubonico riven lol

[pallid quiver]

u can go filter from there by weapon name

[pallid quiver]

mmm triple racist

[wary forge]

mmm

[pallid quiver]

wanna buy my double racist mire with neg damage

[wary forge]

its gotta be tribane

[pallid quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/kita-bocchi-the-rock-kita-ikuyo-clap-happy-gif-10036180577568127404

[wary forge]

i used to collect racist rivens

[mental night]

im scrolling through, none of em are the one i got

[wary forge]

doesnt matter if its un rolled

[pallid quiver]

oh it wont be exact, just ballpark a number

[wary forge]

just see what the other unrolled ones are selling for

[pallid quiver]

@wary forge feel like carrying me through both archimedias?

[mental night]

im realizing these are people selling rivens, not buying

ill make a listing lmao

[pallid quiver]

yes, the people buying are going to lowball because thats how the free market works

especially the ones with buy offers out there

[mental night]

ill prob relic grind in a lil bit here and go find a prime junk buyer lmao

riven stuff is.. still a lil beyond me

[wary forge]

i already did them and im about to get off just larping in here until my grandparents arive

[pallid quiver]

i just list at trash price and if i get an offer its more like 'yippee free plat'

[pallid quiver]

nws lol

happy easter btw yall

[wary forge]

un rolled phantasma is like 20plat

[pallid quiver]

unrolled bubonico is 50p i was stupid and sold it for 20

pain and suffering lowballing myself

[wary forge]

i ussaly sell low like if u can make a good profit then why not

bubonico rivens are pretty easy to roll

[mental night]

would any of yall wanna take some unrolled rivens? i got a few

[pallid quiver]

tbf i was never gonna use that bubonico riv cuz the dispo is trash so

[wary forge]

true

[pallid quiver]

i remember selling a bo one for like 200-250

cant remember exactly

was a pretty nice plat bonus

[wary forge]

oh i have a rcaist bo

[pallid quiver]

especially since i dont even have a bo rn

u have racist everything atp i think

[wary forge]

LOL

[pallid quiver]

one day imma find out u got a racist riv for a weapon that aint even release yet

[rain iris]

anyone have any suggestion for oraxia persistence helminth ability and slots?

[rocky mason]

Base kit should work, no?

Her base kit is good

[rain iris]

true

was looking for variants

[wary forge]

ye u dont need any defensive subsume really

u still just go nourish

[rain iris]

over 1?

[wary forge]

well it used to be 3

but now they fixed the spiders

[rain iris]

huh almost equal racist mod

[wary forge]

idk i still think its 3 unless u dont want to use her movement

but like the movement is the reason u play oraxia imo

[rain iris]

her movement as in 1?

[wary forge]

ye

[rain iris]

hmm i see

should retry my current build with kuva sobek then

[wary forge]

ye shes good wit sobek

[rain iris]

because i don't see a reason why i would use her 3 with persistence build rn. like that is the only awkward one in my current setup

btw love the thematic with coda bubonico

fun with the alt fire build

[mighty flare]

Spiders still bad

[mental night]

heres what i got

[wary forge]

i was about to ping u

ur always lurking tho like wtf

[pallid quiver]

neg cc on slide is funny, then again bo playstyle is more like harmony's right?

[mighty flare]

Not lurking just opened the app lol

[wary forge]

Kappa

[mighty flare]

Spiders never good

[pallid quiver]

u dont really need streamline with hearty nourish i think?

[wary forge]

thats gonna be fine u dont really need effiecency

and ur arcanes are pretty useless

[spice willow]

are there any weapons that can beat a forma 2 base fulmin at mr6?

thinking abt higasa

[wary forge]

xoris

xoris is mr5 i think right

[spice willow]

i meant primary

[pallid quiver]

drop eff for amar's hatred maybe

[mental night]

truth be told arcanes are just there sincei dont have anything else that works

[pallid quiver]

this is assuming no incarnon right

[mighty flare]

Use rage or hunters adrenaline over streamline, don’t need either arcane

[spice willow]

yes

[wary forge]

ye thats fine then

[pallid quiver]

think fulmin's pretty good then

[wary forge]

if u got nothing else then i mean it is what it is better then nothing

[pallid quiver]

maybe hek?

[spice willow]

kinda want to get higasa or soma, how good compared to fulmin

[wary forge]

hek p mid since it doesnt have the best clear

[mental night]

energy could be an issue, but we ball

[wary forge]

great for single targewt tho

[wary forge]

nourish gives u energy regen

[mental night]

i dont think it does?

[pallid quiver]

higasa is not very good i think

[pallid quiver]

energy is NOT gonna be an issue on grendel with hearty nourish

[pallid quiver]

it gives more energy from all energy sources

[mental night]

ohhh

[wary forge]

makes u get more energy from orbs and stuff

[mental night]

i dont think Hearty Nourish does anything for energy though if im reading description right

[pallid quiver]

not innate energy but its like energize

[pallid quiver]

it makes nourish cost health not energy i believe

so u can just spam it for healing and not worry about energy

[mighty flare]

What

[mental night]

no it does not

[pallid quiver]

oh wait im mixing up my augments

[spice willow]

sorry to keep asking, but if higasa isnt good then how about soma (compared to fulmin ofc)

[pallid quiver]

what does hearty nourish do again

[mental night]

it makes Nourish clear status and grants 5s of status immunity

[pallid quiver]

ohhh

[mental night]

is the sobek any good?

[pallid quiver]

yea

[summer crest]

I was rolling a riven for the phage and I dunno what to pick,

+133% status duration
+120 ice
+169 multishot
-93 status chance

vs

+124 status chance
+118 fire rate
+112 CRIT chance
-56 reload speed

[wary forge]

soma is pretty similiar better because it has an incarnon once u get it

[pallid quiver]

2nd

[wary forge]

u dont want crit stats at all

multishot and fire rate are bis

[summer crest]

so keep the first one?

[wary forge]

they both pretty ass

[pallid quiver]

neg sc is painful

[wary forge]

def not the first lol

[pallid quiver]

phage doesnt do well with crit?

[mental night]

time to go back to plat farming cause i need a potato now 😭

[summer crest]

sadage...

[gray quarry]

Bottom one

[wary forge]

not worth to build into it

[pallid quiver]

sobek lowkey needs acid shells and that other augment

[gray quarry]

What weapon

[mental night]

sobek

[gray quarry]

Kuva?

if not kuva sobek then I’d recommend grabbing one, trust

[mental night]

i JUST got done with a coda 😭

[wary forge]

normal sobek is better if u have a bis riven

[pallid quiver]

what weapon

[mental night]

they dont drop weapons, they drop the heart things

[pallid quiver]

thats only if u use rivens

[mental night]

and im not a high enough mastery rank for their weapons

[wary forge]

ye

[pallid quiver]

oh pain

[gray quarry]

Ksobek just has better stats

[pallid quiver]

coda liches lowkey easy af

[spice willow]

wait how about no incarnon? is it still similar?

[wary forge]

ye

[gray quarry]

Less riv dispo but ksobek is better in every way

[pallid quiver]

ive been putting off my ghoulsaw lich cuz i know its gonna be annoying

[spice willow]

is soma is a bit better or worse

[mental night]

got this on my Sobek

[wary forge]

if u dont want to get a riven then yes

normal sobek is fine tbh

[pallid quiver]

iirc the acid shells build needs a fair amount of investment

[gray quarry]

I have a zarr lich, I need to go get another sobek lich to max the %

[wary forge]

its not really high invest tbh

[pallid quiver]

oh fr?

[gray quarry]

Just depends on the frame you’re using mostly

[pallid quiver]

is urs on earth rn

[gray quarry]

It is, I’m not on rn

[pallid quiver]

wanna go kill lich w me

neither am i lol

[gray quarry]

I can kill it either later today or tomorrow

[spice willow]

is no incarnon soma is a bit better or worse than fulmin?

[wary forge]

vigilante is riven

[queen parcel]

should i use primary crux or primary dead head on the kuva chakkur?

[wary forge]

dead head

[pallid quiver]

isnt 2 ms mods diminishing returns?

[wary forge]

it is but nothing else to slot crit is fake on sobek

[pallid quiver]

also is the racist mod a must have for the 100% nuke

[gray quarry]

Faction mod and elementalist?

[wary forge]

yes?

[gray quarry]

Why both

[wary forge]

are u trolling

[gray quarry]

No, I’m genuinely curious why both

[wary forge]

faction mod boosts acid shells and tripple dips toxin lash

elementalist boosts toxin lash

and extra mag cap is pretty nice on sobek

[pallid quiver]

is the faction mod a must have?

[gray quarry]

Huh

Works with both elementalist and faction, I use only elementalist and it works fine

[wary forge]

i mean its not a must have tbh if u want it to the most damage then hyes

sayrn uses roar anyways

so its pretty redundent

but faction mods are on of the only ways to boost acid shells

realistly tho for msot conent just go like point blank or smth

[stuck igloo]

Could i get some help for this Mesa Prime build? I made it in 2020.

[pallid quiver]

i mean for the 100% health nuke is it necessary

[gray quarry]

I forgot I was running bane cause I stole ninjases build, but I cba to switch it so I might take it off for somethin else

[pallid quiver]

if ur running it on saryn or cyte

[wary forge]

more so on cyte ye

cyte build is a bit different

[gray quarry]

I don’t think so but I don’t use cyte or saryn, for oraxia it takes a sec to get going but unsure on cyte or saryn

[pallid quiver]

so saryn is just toxin lash and roar and without faction u just nuke everything

[wary forge]

it does take a second for oraxia ye

[wary forge]

legit just lash

[mental night]

any good Lich shotguns?

[wary forge]

thats all u need she does way to much damage

[pallid quiver]

oh cool

[gray quarry]

Sobek

[mental night]

currently cycling em

[pallid quiver]

whats the str req

[wary forge]

like that much

[pallid quiver]

kuva hek

[wary forge]

not that much

[pallid quiver]

alt fire deletes things off the face of the earth

[gray quarry]

Like between this much and that much

[pallid quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-anime-round-and-round-anime-girl-gif-14800721

[gray quarry]

It’s about yay much

[wary forge]

oraxi 2 u dont really need base dmage cause ur gonan be on nourish i guess if ur not on nourish then ye

and faction mod would be better cause no roar

[stuck igloo]

Feel like I am doing no damage

[gray quarry]

Wish she could run roar

[wary forge]

true

[pallid quiver]

first off, PLEASE get that duration to at least neutral, u do not need range on mesa either

[thin quartz]

yipppee!

[gray quarry]

Holy 22 duration, what the heck

[thin quartz]

odd, i heard people enjoy having range on mesa

[gray quarry]

I’m robbing you now

[thin quartz]

NOO

[pallid quiver]

hand it over

[stuck igloo]

Why duration on mesa?

[gray quarry]

Your hotshot is mine now

[stuck igloo]

I play it as an ult bot

[pallid quiver]

ult drain is also based on dur

[gray quarry]

Her other abilities exist

[gray quarry]

Also efficiency which is 175

[pallid quiver]

hmm ig

[stuck igloo]

I could put primed continuity

[pallid quiver]

idk, the rest of the build seems fine

[gray quarry]

Still would rather dump eff a bit for duration

[pallid quiver]

just gotta max out the mods

on the pistols

[mighty flare]

Mostly for her muzzle flash augment, without it you don’t really need range

[mental night]

alright, time to get to work i guess

[stuck igloo]

Element combination is good?

[pallid quiver]

yea corro heat is what ur looking for

[wary forge]

big W

[pallid quiver]

wait for ur sobek build ur going pure viral?

no heat?

[wary forge]

u dont need any elements but ye viral is just there to help kill the inital target

[stuck igloo]

For a 2020 build, I thought it was going to be much worse

[wary forge]

modding toxin bossts lash and oraxias buff

[lavish orbit]

Acid shells doesn't need a lot with the specific frames

[pallid quiver]

ah cool

[gray quarry]

Does it have an ephemera

[pallid quiver]

so thats why u want cold progen

[mental night]

dont think so

[pallid quiver]

is a toxin progen bad then?

[gray quarry]

Nah

Either way viral can be made, I’d been told elec is best for oraxia but idk tbh

[mental night]

hows this Sobek look?

[pallid quiver]

i mean if i want to mod tox to boost lash then

[pallid quiver]

best u can get lol 60%

[rocky mason]

Damn I would sell that if I were you

[mental night]

is it really that good??

[naive hinge]

hows this ?

[mental night]

how much could i sell him for? ive not sold lichs before but im gauging like, 20 plat if im lucky lmao

[gray quarry]

Send a picture of the entire lich, we’ll see if it has an ephemera(cause sometimes it’s hard to tell

[gray quarry]

More than 20, probably closer to 100, more if ephemera(I don’t sell liches tho)

[rocky mason]

Should be a few hundred plat

[mental night]

wait what??

[rocky mason]

At least 200 to 300

[mental night]

HUH?????

[gray quarry]

No ephemera, sad

[rocky mason]

60% is the maximum amount you can have

[mental night]

huh

is 60% that hard to get??

[rocky mason]

And sobek is a really popular weapon

[gray quarry]

Hard? No, rare? Very

[rocky mason]

Used to be more

[mental night]

i mean.. damn dude

i guess i can stick with my normal sobek lmao

how do i sell em?

[pallid quiver]

contracts

the dojo needs a specific kind of trading post too

and u gotta convert the lich

[rocky mason]

You convert the lich and you can trade them on the crimson branch in the dojo

[pallid quiver]

remember when u have the option to either kill or convert

in the RJ assassinate

go for CONVERT

[mental night]

alright, got it

would any of yall buy em?

[thin quartz]

i got 3! i got 100% weapon critical chance! haha!

[lean tendon]

Do the lich mechanics until you reach the part where you vanquish or convert them. Select convert and then you are able to sell through dojo.

[pallid quiver]

nah im broke

[gray quarry]

I’m too broke, I could rob @thin quartz of their hotshot tho and sell it (nah I kid, I’m broke)

[lean tendon]

Personally I would just get the Kuva Sobek if you don't have one yet. 200p isn't that hard to get ngl.

[pallid quiver]

death

[rocky mason]

It's a pretty good amount to get at once

[lean tendon]

Saves times as well since it's already maxed out

[mental night]

ok, so if i want hte gun i kill, but if i wanna get the plat i convert. got it

[thin quartz]

how is universal fallout on qorvex honestly?

[mental night]

ill just keep it for now. i can do VRChat avatar comissions for the money for plat lmao

[potent blaze]

hello how much does this one worth , am new to the game

[gray quarry]

Hang onto it for now, kuva liches aren’t that hard to spawn either so

[potent blaze]

new to rivens *

[mental night]

hang onto the lich or the gun?

[lean tendon]

Could've used the time saved to farm for plat instead. Unless you have godlike RNG and is getting another 60% sobek or 52% above for just 1 fuse.

[pallid quiver]

how much are ghoulsaws going for?

[mental night]

like, just dont deal with em?

[rocky mason]

Made for him

[gray quarry]

Lich, convert lich and go spawn another sobek

[gray quarry]

Unsure

[rocky mason]

I'd much rather get the platinum and then farm my own sobek later

[mental night]

i mean, i need a shotgun

[rocky mason]

Your choice honestly, it's a really good weapon

And if you feel like you don't need the plat like astraye it's better to get it

[queen parcel]

what's the best focus on harrow? cause i was thinking madurai but i'm worried i might kill enimies too fast before i can get my headshots in, since i'm using evade

[mental night]

on one hand, a new shotgun to help dome poor bastards with and a weapon that thematically fits grendel
on the other hand, Quincy skin

[lean tendon]

You save more time getting that 60% honestly unless you get lucky and get another 60%. That time saved can be just used to do other contents.

[gray quarry]

Yeah, element could maybe be better but ultimately doesn’t matter too much since just the low low cost of 5 forma you can freely change its element

[rocky mason]

But you don't need the 60% to use the weapon

You can use a 25% sobek and it's still good

But selling for that much only that 60%

[pallid quiver]

cedo prim

[gray quarry]

60% just adds alot more elemental weight, but yeah 25% still good

[rocky mason]

-# I say that as someone who goes for 60% on every weapon I use even from before they changed the calculations

[mental night]

im mastery 12

[pallid quiver]

oof

[lean tendon]

Eh if you're gonna stick to lower % forever then sure. But the moment you decide you want to increase the % then my point becomes infinitely better.

[mental night]

ISTEN

i dont care to minmax. if a gun can get me through steelpath, i can make it work

[gray quarry]

I was istening

[mental night]

if a 20% or whatever the hell can do that, then ill just sell this one

[thin quartz]

do qorvexes turret things count for camisado?

[rocky mason]

It can yeah

[gray quarry]

No

[thin quartz]

aw

[mental night]

i also gotta worry about if i can sell it

[rocky mason]

The website warframe market lets you list it there

[lean tendon]

It's a meta weapon so it's gonna sell like hotcakes

[rocky mason]

For you to have an idea, there's only two listings of a direct sell for a 60% sobek online

That means all the others sold out already

[mental night]

so how hard is it to get a steel path viable Sobek?

[rocky mason]

Not hard at all

[pallid quiver]

not very even a 25% one is viable

60% is just for the people who wanna maximise their damage or something

[gray quarry]

Not hard, maybe a few forma but not that hard

[gray quarry]

Wait, warframe isn’t about minmaxing damage?

[rocky mason]

Warframe is about the fashion

[pallid quiver]

no its about leeching relics for rare parts that you'd have to pay for otherwise

[gray quarry]

Hmmmm, fake

[queen parcel]

also what's the best element on the coda bubonico

[mental night]

i dont really care for minmaxing, i ont like doin that kinda thing

so ill prob sell

[pallid quiver]

yea fair

[rocky mason]

Magnetic probably

[mental night]

iif it can do big numbers and give me dopamine, it'll do

[rocky mason]

Even the worst sobek you can imagine can give you big numbers

But only this one sells for 200+ plat

[pallid quiver]

bro is preaching to the choir

[queen parcel]

thanks

so what'd be the best focus for harrow be?

[lean tendon]

If you're not gonna min-max then you would want higher % for raw power. Acid Shells require setups e.g. specific frame, subsumes, viral, etc. but doesn't care about the progenitor %. Otherwise, raw power builds will benefit more on higher %.

[cinder isle]

I finally farmed Jade, I adore her so much!
I love playing Voruna, Titania and Valkyr, I am wondering if Jade can do a lot of damage? I prefer characters that damage with abilities and not mainly with weapons.

[pallid quiver]

doesnt sobek get outclassed by other shotguns when not used as a acid shells room nuke

[cinder isle]

(besides Melee)

[mental night]

ok, so what im hearing is its worth to sell the Sobek and go for a different shotgun

[lean tendon]

It's still good damage but the point is the dude doesn't want to min-max and Kuva Sobek Acid Shells build is a min-max build.

[raw temple]

Or the item of eleanor

[mental night]

yeah thats what im sayin

[pallid quiver]

yea but other shotguns r just better if ur not acid shelling right?

so just get a different shotgun lowkey

[mental night]

as long as im doin enough to be viable in Steel Path, im happy as can be

[gray quarry]

That was the 5 forma bit

[pallid quiver]

and the acid shells doesnt really even need %

[lean tendon]

Probably yeah but I have seen people hit good damage with just clip delegation augment. But again, Valentine doesn't want to min-max right? Acid Shells build is a min-max thing. So there's already a problem there.

[queen parcel]

should i use vazarin or madurai for harrow?

cause on one hand i like having more damage but on the otehr hand i'm worried about killing them too fast with the buffs form the tauron strike from madurai

[pallid quiver]

yea but with that sobek its probably better to sell for plat and just get a different gun that will do better damage without minmaxxing

[mental night]

just say "we ball", more damage better

im at least 99% sure you two are agreeing with eachother lmao

[quiet laurel]

since when is sobek acid shells min maxxing lmao

[queen parcel]

see but then vazarin increases affinity rnage, which is what some of his abilites is based on

[lean tendon]

Sure I guess but he mentioned earlier that he is getting another sobek so I mentioned my point. You guys are saying the % doesn't matter which is technically correct but only if he min-max Acid Shells.

The alternative is to just get Cedo or Enkaus.

[mental night]

wait the enkaus?

[pallid quiver]

no, they just want a shotgun that does big damage, not specifically sobek

enkaus is a beam weapon

[lean tendon]

Oh specifically shotgun? Then Cedo

[mental night]

ok yeah i thought as much

im p sure i have a Cedo, hang on

nah corinth

[queen parcel]

...bubonico is pretty good

bit expansive to build but it works well

[pallid quiver]

mr12, but i think kuva hek is fine, or an incarnon shotty like strun or boar

[mental night]

i might just grab the normal Cedo

[lean tendon]

Strun and Boar is definitely good. Cedo is MR8 and you don't really need the prime for Cedo to work. Kuva Hek sure why not but I would say you want to hunt for higher % as Hek is very vanilla without any unique gimmicks.

[mental night]

thats rank 5, HELL no

[lean tendon]

Which one

[mental night]

no, i gottab e Family to buy the parts for the Cedo

[lean tendon]

Ah Cedo? Ye its R5 Entrati Family

[mental night]

is the normal Sobek good?

[lean tendon]

Acid shells abuse yes but that requires a setup AKA min-maxing

[near vortex]

Normal Sobek gets the job done and has better dispo though you don't get valence

[mental night]

mmm

[near vortex]

You can't do one mod slot Viral or Magnetic for Saryn Cyte and them

[mental night]

what about the Corinth?

[lean tendon]

Phantasma is also a good one and Warframe gave one for free last month

[mental night]

Phantasma is beam

[lean tendon]

It's still shotgun technically

Same with Bubonico

Uses shotgun mods

[mental night]

also isn't the boar a starter gun?

its mastery 2-

[lean tendon]

Boar and Strun has incarnon adapters

And incarnon as always make bad weapons into great ones

[gray quarry]

Normal sobek is still good, kuva one is just better(except for riv dispo)

[mental night]

mmm.

i havcent messd with Incarnon yet really

[lean tendon]

That's for later though, you need steel path to farm the incarnon adapters

[gray quarry]

Need so for incarnons

[mental night]

like, i have steel path viable weapons, i just think Shotguns are hella fun and the only half-decent one i got is the Corinth, and that falls off around lvl 50-60 with my mods

[lean tendon]

Honestly your best bet is probably Cedo

MR8 and scales well into the endgame

You don't need to get the prime version as well

[mental night]

spose im gonna have to grind the family then lmao

[lean tendon]

You should be grinding it anyways

Entrati syndicates gives good wares

[mental night]

i was, then i got irritated trying to find one of their things for their mstery and gave up

now i just need standing
..70k standing mind you but thats all i need