builds-discussion

[violet silo]

I believe laetum is better by merit of fortifier and devouring attrition

[opal leaf]

Mmmmm would take note if I need one in the future

[eternal prism]

It's better because secondary weapons get strong buffs for some reason.

Like outburst

Or enevrate

But there are very few primary weapons for aoe in the game to compensate for this

[craggy niche]

aaaand my mesa for this weeks eta lol don't judge i have n't touched mesa in well over a year

mesa prettty much needs her adaptation to complement shatter shield right?

[violet silo]

like I said, fortifier

[tardy lily]

Your doing ETA I would recommend rolling guard with fortifier on your regulaters cause that place is ahh

[craggy niche]

i threw that on and holy nuts was that a powerful combo

[night laurel]

not the temu hildryn..

[limpid basin]

i have a question guys is this the best build for caliban as rank 8 player?

[sly garden]

If I added a riven with Toxin and Cold, would it give me viral or would the fire progenitor overtake one of those elements?

[tardy lily]

For now yes it will carry you throughout afew missions in non sp ofc

Question tho have you reached Deimos yet?

[tardy lily]

If you want viral put cold where jolt is

Tbh idk why you building Soo much status elements with no secondary elementst

[frozen grail]

question, for a glaive like kestral prime is a good go to frame to giga buff it still mirage? or is there someone else you guys might recommend, i tend to go chroma for my heavy detonation glaives but im pretty sure that double dip he does is only on heavy detonation glaives

[tardy lily]

Anything that is considered projectile use mirage with her 2 augemts like hall of malevolence n total eclipse

Trust that shii hits like crazy thanks to BUGFRAME

Also since it's a glaive using influence will make the DMG from the detonation go further

[eternal prism]

not use riven for nukor if it not grol

Using any riven for nukor almost always obliges you to use uskos

There are no mods that can be replaced except 1 element

[eternal prism]

And please remove pistol gambit

[queen parcel]

is it possible to make a good damage build on the grimoire?

[static sphinx]

Any way to improve Protea build? (Besides temporal erosion)

[solemn kiln]

which frame would be easiest to do an immortal build for wisp, citrine, or dagath i wanna try and unlock elite temporal this week x.x

[frozen grail]

wisp 100%

[solemn kiln]

ty

hopefully i can get elite unlocked this week

[thorn oak]

just got a gammacor riven man is it even worth messing with

i have the incarnon for it but i dont have the gammacor

[fierce lark]

it's not great

[green gyro]

wisp✅

[solemn kiln]

any suggestions?

[craggy niche]

Strength

[solemn kiln]

this is my normal build i run for random things but i dont think it will be good enough for temporal

[fierce lark]

recommend significantly higher duration so you can sit in 2 and be invisible all the time

umbrals aren't great, vitality motes give flat hp scaling off of str

[craggy niche]

You can dump range because of the mote teleport if you want. Archon stretch is really good for passive regen tho especially combined with nourish if you wanna go that route. I like thr bellicose boost but realistically the umbral vitality, niras hatred, and bellicose would be flexi on this

Also fused is a personal choice, could easily be psf or any exi you want really

This is also with 0 shards

She's not a tank, ever, but she can be immortal if played right. Just always save some gas in the tank for her 2 and bullet jump everywhere and you'll be invisible with her passive

[solemn kiln]

i just want to be able to run temporal since the last few weeks have been bad frames for me

and stil be helpful and not dead weight

[craggy niche]

Well that's my advice just hack umbral fiber out, pcont in your open slot, asstrech for umbral fiber, niras hatrsd for vigor if you're tryna squeeze more out of bellicose and growing power in your aura

As far as subsumes go nourish is pretty much mandatory if no energize or flow

Not as good as roar but it allows you more freedom with your weapons and capitalizes on the synergy between asstrech and shock mote. Rolling guard is also nice to slot in place of niras for cleanse and panic immortal button

[solemn kiln]

thanks ill give it a try and see how temporal goes x.x

[charred kiln]

hey. is the Ocucor worth the investment if i already have dual tox incarnon and kuva nukor? i'm kinda low on resources atm but wanna make use of the affinity boost so i have to be picky (i will eventually build it anyway)

[solemn kiln]

ocour is best gun imo

[fierce lark]

it is significantly inferior to both other weapons you mentioned

but it’s good for afking lower level stuff

[charred kiln]

thanks. i thought i'd ask cause there's nothing i've seen so far that the nukor just doesn't... well... nuke all the way up to ETA

[fierce lark]

nukor will melt anything that can be melted, but it’s weak on acolytes

and anything else with a status cap

[charred kiln]

i currently use the Felarx for these situations but i'm honestly open for gun suggestions cause the felarx gets boring

[fierce lark]

toxo just deletes everything period

[charred kiln]

agreed.

[fierce lark]

if you wanted a different strong primary just for acolytes — burston, phenmor, latron, coda hema, kuva hek, cedo

prime/Incarnon where applicable

daikyu

[charred kiln]

i didn't like the phenmor at all ngl.. but i do have the Cedo built it's pretty nice.

[fierce lark]

strun & boar with crit evos

[thorn oak]

Blast boar primary and laetum secondary been my 2 goats

[charred kiln]

welp thanks for the suggestions. appreciate it goat

[thorn oak]

I think my boar has corrosive cold incarnoff and blast corrosive incarnon

Feels so amazing

[fierce lark]

cedo lex is my goto nowadays

or laetum

[thorn oak]

cedo with frostbite feels so nice

[fierce lark]

space deagle is fun

[solemn kiln]

if i max out arcane resistance does that mean i wont take any toxin damage at all ?

[fierce lark]

no

it means you can’t receive toxin status effects

[solemn kiln]

im half tempted to put it on for temporal this week cause its insta killing me x.x

[fierce lark]

toxin damage from an eximus or a mutalist osprey cruising by will still ignore your shields

[thorn oak]

Just kill everything before it gets to u

[charred kiln]

i just ran dante for ETA.

[fierce lark]

if you have a “has a chance to inflict a toxin status” modifier, resistance should nullify it

[charred kiln]

missed on the 9 pix but no big deal

[solemn kiln]

sadly my choices this week are trash for temporal

[thorn oak]

I got revenant my last eta and it was the most boring thing ever

[solemn kiln]

wait so are the choices for temporal random for everyone?

[thorn oak]

Yea

[charred kiln]

yes. it's individual

[solemn kiln]

;-;

[charred kiln]

wisp is great here.

[thorn oak]

I love the atomos

[fierce lark]

dagath zenistar going in

[solemn kiln]

i tried wisp for temporal and im just getting melted by toxin

[thorn oak]

Use her 2 and 3

[fierce lark]

if you’re playing wisp you need to be aimgliding or constantly hitting 2 to stay invis,

[thorn oak]

Her 2 makes u invulnerable

If u do it right

[fierce lark]

vitality mote healing isn’t gonna out-heal ETA levels of damage

[thorn oak]

I need to check my ETA tomorrow

[fierce lark]

especially if you don’t have adaptation or some other kind of DR

[thorn oak]

if I get someone bad I just slap omamori on someone and pray

[solemn kiln]

i was doing fine till the 2nd mission then all the competitve streak stuff and sporogensis just nuked the run

[thorn oak]

U can also play with randoms

[solemn kiln]

i was with randos

[thorn oak]

Sometimes it goes well sometimes it doesn’t

[solemn kiln]

was 2 valks

if i had dante or inaros as a choice i could prolly solo the damn thing

[thorn oak]

Yea all I can say is just get adaptation

or something for damage reduction

like Saryn said

[charred kiln]

adaptation + wisp can be a big help against the toxin yea

[thorn oak]

and read her 2 ability to figure out how it works and you won’t die if u use it right

if ur running archon stretch with fused reservoir you won’t have to worry about energy so u can keep using her 2

[solemn kiln]

normally yes but my debuffs reduce energy by 2 per enemy and well there is alot of enemies x.x

[thorn oak]

and her 3 is also really good but it’s not gonna make u take less damage really

[charred kiln]

that's the main problem then, things aren't dying fast enough.

[thorn oak]

Then yea ur probably just gonna have to rely on damage reduction

Unless u can figure out something else for enemies to not exist

[charred kiln]

dagath can be pretty helpful there too.

[thorn oak]

Wow that sucks holy

[solemn kiln]

its a struggle x.x

that and none of my options for weapons are that great

i might not be getting elite this week then :< might have to hope for better rolls next week or just fully get carried thru

[charred kiln]

biggest advice i can give you is just run Dante, you can miss out on the last pix reward better than the whole run.

[thorn oak]

You’re just gonna have to find a way to kill the enemies otherwise I don’t see any other way

or yea run someone else

[solemn kiln]

i dont have elite unlocked or i would

wisp dagath or citrine

god i wish it was inaros or dante i could run thru off just there abilities

[hollow scarab]

anyone have a kuva drakgoon build i can steal for later game content?

[charred kiln]

actually there's something else you can do. arcane circumvent. toxin damage doesn't go through overguard just make sure you roll through eximus units.

[solemn kiln]

gonna have to roll thru the whole damn mission xD

[charred kiln]

gotta do what you gotta do lol.. it will also help with damage since it armor/shield strips

[golden creek]

i have just unlocked sp what to do ??

[solemn kiln]

i gave up and ran inaros ill try for elite next week

[twin pine]

hi, is there any source or spreadsheet on complete weapon damage calculation, like additive or multiplicative? woulkd glad if there is an uptodate one

[solemn kiln]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Condition_Overload_(Mechanic) this one?

any suggestions for shards to add?

[opal leaf]

Duuuuuuuuuuration

[solemn kiln]

would give 45% duration

[lean tendon]

The duration is sad. Even though it's DPS Noctua Tragedy build, you would still want to use Word Warden and Pageflight as they give extra DPS.

I would also suggest going Viral Heat for Noctua unless you have an external source of viral already.

[solemn kiln]

i have verglas prime with heat/viral

after putting in duration shards im up to 58% which is give 25 sec duration

[solemn kiln]

would it be worth it to swap out one of my mods on dante for duration then?

[lean tendon]

Yes

Way better energy economy as well

[solemn kiln]

should i take out fleeting expertise then for prime cont?

[lean tendon]

I would

[solemn kiln]

hmm i could prolly switch one of those shards from duration to strength

[lean tendon]

Also I think Equilibrium instead of Augur Secrets and then swapping Energize for Molt Augmented is better

What's your Companion build?

[solemn kiln]

weapon or just companion

is dethcube for now

my bad wrong one

i could replace regen with synth decon

as dante my companions rarely die

[lean tendon]

Yeah I was about to say Regen isn't needed due to overguard

But idk how good the energy economy is already with Energy Generator

[solemn kiln]

im curious if you know, would shivering contagion work well with some of the bond mods on companions? and just freeze entire rooms

[lean tendon]

I am not familiar with it sorry

[lean tendon]

Yeah I know the mod but idk how consistent it will be without an external source of cold like Coolant Leak

[solemn kiln]

between that and contagious bond

thats why i was thinking of changing the mods on verglas to corrosive/cold and put fire/viral on noctua

[lean tendon]

That could be worth the try but let me check Fired Up first

Because iirc it fuses

[solemn kiln]

if it does fuse i could change fired up to collant leak maybe

[lean tendon]

Heat element applied by this mod will combine with elements already present in the weapon.

[solemn kiln]

so thats a no

ill switch it to coolant leak and give it a try

ya know what we just need a corrosive mod, we have one for magnetic and radiation already

[lean tendon]

You can check first if Synth Deconstuct is truly needed or not

[solemn kiln]

probably not considering my yellow shards

[lean tendon]

Change Augur Secrets to Equilibrium and Arcane Energize to Molt Augmented.

If the energy economy is already fine with those changes, I would just ditch and change Regen to Coolant Leak so you have fired up still

[solemn kiln]

to be fair i dont usually run into energy issues unless there is something actively taking it

[lean tendon]

Then maybe coolant leak is better

I use Seismic Bond + Arcane Impetus build so I don't have energy issues even with 300 max energy only

But you're doing the Cascadia Flare build so idk how the energy economy works for that build instead

[solemn kiln]

i mean things were dying in netracell run in like 3 hits

[lean tendon]

Maybe instead of Energy fill shards, you can just put str shards

And use exilus mod instead

[lean tendon]

ngl even the Impetus + Secondary Encumber build is doing that

[solemn kiln]

i need to stop being lazy and just go to simi to test stuff

[lean tendon]

Even though my Noctua is hybrid and not full DPS I'm doing millions still

Maybe red crit Noctua is far better though. I'll probably try it out next time.

[solemn kiln]

dont forget noctua has inate target jump

[lean tendon]

I just like my current build because it's just 2 Forma

[solemn kiln]

so i guess it would depend? on survival or any where you got lots of enemies red crit build might help

[lean tendon]

2 forma frame + 4 forma noctua cheap ah build

[solemn kiln]

im up to 4 forma for dante and noctua xD

[lean tendon]

Low or high density of enemies I never had problems ngl

[solemn kiln]

same im fine for the most part

i only run into issues when i get enemies who seem to one shot my entire overguard at once

which so far ive only had happen in void on lua and doing circuit runs

i will say this tho verglas with shivering was freezing alot of stuff

[lean tendon]

I have like 3 energy regen sources: Archon Stretch, Xata Invocation, and Energy Nexus

345 max energy, lower if I remove the Tauforged blue

My companion is Nautilus + Tazicor

The grouping is so nice and since you kill so fast, your nautilus spams it almost 100% uptime

[solemn kiln]

i got 2 yellow shards one for increased energy orb effectiveness and +45% energy at spawn equili and energy gen

[lean tendon]

My Archon Shards are: 2 parkour 2 casting speed 1 energy max

[solemn kiln]

i might switch the energy at spawn to another effectiveness one

altough i prolly wwont unless i put more formas into dante

[lean tendon]

I won't change my build as well

I'll wait for the Prime instead

[solemn kiln]

same xD

4 formas is alot for a normal frame

[lean tendon]

Maybe I can play around the Archon Shards more, remove the parkour shards and try something like the secondary weapon shards

[solemn kiln]

but some frames are just so fun i wanna do more with em

[lean tendon]

6 Forma invested total for me (2 for the frame, 4 for exalted)

[solemn kiln]

i was thinking of trying out the fire shard for secondary crit chance

wasnt sure how that shard added to crit chance is the only thing that stopped me

[celest violet]

May i ask

Is this good???

[gray iris]

afentis isn’t really used as a dps weapon

the - is a bit shit tbh, but the positives are good

[celest violet]

I dont have the weapon... So should i sell this for 100 to 120p or just reroll?

[lean tendon]

Nataruk - Grimoire - Furax Wraith for the stat stick loadout

[solemn kiln]

ah yes the amaglam mod

i need to remember to put that on dante to help with fire rate

[celest violet]

@gray iris tnx for the info bro appreciate

[gray iris]

probably just sell it tbh

[celest violet]

I see

[lean tendon]

My Companion

[celest violet]

Is the price reasonable tho? Or too over price?

[solemn kiln]

i need to get the rest of the bond mods

i wish more frames had as many options as dante xD instead of just shield gating

[lean tendon]

I mean tbf Dante overguard is just shield gating as well xd

[solemn kiln]

but better

and less rolling required

[gray iris]

the price is fine but it might take quite a while to sell, afentis is used as a support weapon which doesn’t need a riven for it, but eventually someone will buy it

[celest violet]

Tnx man appreciate

[gray iris]

no stress bro

[celest violet]

Im a new player thats why i dunno this kind of info

[lean tendon]

I have 5/6 of the Augur Set as well so if the Overguard fails, I can just active shield gate

[solemn kiln]

lol

[gray iris]

that’s valid man, all this info will come with time and playing, rivens are probably one of the most confusing things to understand when you’re trying to learn them

[solemn kiln]

doesnt help alot of weapons still arent good even with rivens :/

some weapons need some balancing done

[lean tendon]

ngl people might buy it still just because its an unrolled riven with good stats

[gray iris]

only times where an unrolled is more valuable than the same roll, but rolled, is when it’s groll

[lean tendon]

I would keep it and not sell

Styanax should be included this year for potential prime candidates

Waiting for Afentis Prime might be your best shot

[gray iris]

if following the order of previously released prime frames, stayanax will be next

[celest violet]

If that happened ill this mod for 200p haha so i can buy more slots for weapons and frames

[solemn kiln]

i think they have broken that once or twice

[lean tendon]

the order doesn't matter too much imo

as long as Styanax Prime actually gets released this year it's all g

[gray iris]

oh yeah he definitely will

[lean tendon]

I would just hold onto it

[solemn kiln]

i think i heard stynax or one other were supposed to be next

[lean tendon]

and even if Afentis Prime turns out to be disappointing, I think people would still buy that riven just because it's unrolled godroll

well maybe tier 2 godroll not tier 1 but it's still good

[solemn kiln]

i think citrine? or was it koumei

[lean tendon]

Styanax Citrine Kullervo Voruna in no particular order

[solemn kiln]

ooo

[celest violet]

I'm hoping that my other Viel Riven mod isn't disappointing.

[viscid bane]

Which tauron Strike is considered the best?

[solemn kiln]

citrine or voruna would be nice

[lean tendon]

the one with the revive

Vazarin I think?

imo that's really OP

[gray iris]

stayanax or voruna, going off release dates

[solemn kiln]

im hoping for voruna xD

[lean tendon]

works even if self-revive is disabled

sung jin woo tauron strike

[solemn kiln]

shouldnt the next prime be coming up soon in a month or two?

[gray iris]

we just got gyre so higher chance they’ll do stayanax, DE tend to aim for male/female/male/female release

[lean tendon]

I vaguely remember DE saying to announce the next Prime in the upcoming updates

[gray iris]

yeah

[lean tendon]

but their stream is on background so I can't remember exactly what they said xd

[gray iris]

it’ll probably be announced in the next dev stream after the new update

[lean tendon]

personally I want Citrine

[solemn kiln]

oh god i see it now her relics only drop from mirror defense

[lean tendon]

Citrine is actually the reason I checked out Warframe but then I experienced the grind and now I never went back at Tyana Pass except for when I need relics

well at least one of the reasons, I saw Citrine when I was checking out videos before downloading WF

[solemn kiln]

i just did the farm for voruna and koumei recently so i know the pain

citrine and jade were two of the ones i said no and just bought with plat

[lean tendon]

ngl I would rather do Jade and Koumei than Citrine

[solemn kiln]

idk jade farm seems pretty bad

[lean tendon]

I enjoy the no gravity zone in Brutus and Koumei for some reason isn't boring for me

[solemn kiln]

koumei wasnt to bad once i realized nova made the entire thing last all of 2 min

[little hearth]

so,this valkyrie prime talon has 16% status chance
does adding heat,toxin,electricity mods greatly affect it? or should i put non status effect mods?

[lean tendon]

plus Brutus gives a lot of passive income as well

cannonade mods, elementalist mods, the arcanes

people are so lazy they're buying the cannonade and elementalist mods for 10-15p each

and they aren't even that rare of a drop

[solemn kiln]

but they are such good mods

any way off to bed

[lean tendon]

yeah but like I got them in like 1-2 runs

I don't think that's worth 10-15p xd

[viscid bane]

Need 2 frame suggestions for solo focus farming that preferably can do it in 1 run of 8 rounds in ESO. Can't be Mesa/Valk/Ivara

[lean tendon]

Gyre and Volt

[tardy lily]

Gyre is basically turn on 3n4 and forgot about them ez

[viscid bane]

Any specific build or just general stuff will work?

[lean tendon]

Volt iirc should be Capacitance build

[tardy lily]

Gyre strength n range

[lean tendon]

pretty much the same for volt

strength and range

[viscid bane]

Ty. And should I focus on Vazarin or Unairu first?

[craggy niche]

Vazarin keeps you alive in high level play for things like ress and so on

[tardy lily]

Unairu gives you last gasp

[green gyro]

madurai>

[limpid basin]

Whats the best build for caliban as a MR 9

[opal leaf]

It'll be Duration, Range, damage

[limpid basin]

ty

[lean tendon]

I recommend watch Dotthanda for learning how Caliban works + sample builds

[opal leaf]

@main silo im logging in my laptop

[opal leaf]

Does he/she has more builds on any frames as well?

[lean tendon]

Well technically he doesn't even have sample builds

He just give recommendations on what to use

[opal leaf]

Ohhhh

[lean tendon]

I just like his explanations

[opal leaf]

Fair I might search him later

Hopefully he has Dagath

[lean tendon]

You won't see a full on sample build, more like "this X mod is good and this is why" kind of thing

He only has Caliban

But he have some videos exploring some mechanics

For Dagath, I think his latest video was exploring Ophanim Eyes on Dagath

[lavish orbit]

Only status% will add status chance (confer. 60/60 elemental mods like vicious frost)... Adding elemental damage will affect the % that the element is inflicted upon damage (you can see the chance when you go on status, it'll open a window)...
While elemental damage is calculated over overhaul damage, physical damage is only calculated with the associated physical status, so adding more elemental damage is far better than physical, though getting the right combination (viral +heat/electric most of the time) will be more effective.
Also, for melee, most of the time you'll use influence arcane and so use electric status, more or less only electric with it...
Happy hunting

[opal leaf]

Wanna ask tho what is Dagath's subsume slot

[lavish orbit]

Depends on how you play her, you can either go 2nd if you use her 3rd augments or her 1st

[opal leaf]

@main silo ill be logging off soon

[sweet bane]

Anyone have a good Cedo prime build?

[opal leaf]

I do

[sweet bane]

Can you share

?

[sand swift]

Anyone know a good subsume to put over Limbos cataclysm? Was thinking Null stars with augment for arcane hotshot. Not that he really needs damage but funny red numbers

[opal leaf]

this is the one i am using, its a good damage and priming gun

[sweet bane]

ty ❤️

[main silo]

yo

[opal leaf]

Yo I'm in

[main silo]

2 sec

[opal leaf]

Let's do Maroo

[main silo]

aight

what instance

[opal leaf]

Maroo 10

[main silo]

i only 1-3

[opal leaf]

Let me go 1

[main silo]

dm u in game

[opal leaf]

I'm a red dagath

@main silo

[main silo]

im in the same place and cant see u 😛

[opal leaf]

Fckkkkk

Let's do it tmr

[main silo]

aight lol

[opal leaf]

Ye

[main silo]

stupid game lol

[opal leaf]

Not the game, the functions rn is whack hahah

Alright.... Dagath is soooo good

Immortality + crit buff??

Oooooo

[opal leaf]

Probably gonna put Omamori on 2 for the comfy Survivability

Thanks

[eternal prism]

secret trade tech

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373116730322456648/1481425861616861275/attachment.gif

[sturdy vault]

just hear me out... like hildryn likes red shards over blue shards, and I have no shards on my styanax... and the cc is additive with mods... and I have a spear gun... so i could technically be running a fully red crit toxocyst w/o a riven.

[eternal prism]

outburst for toxocysts🥺

[sturdy vault]

I don't have it r5 😭

[eternal prism]

fortifier atleast...

[sturdy vault]

cascadia flare or enervate twin 💔🥹

[eternal prism]

then dead head but without hornet strike

enervate if u not have another cc sources

[sturdy vault]

I rarely use my r5 fortifier

I've been considering using it more

[eternal prism]

cuz without cc mods enervate give almost all time orange for tox

(and cc sources)

[sturdy vault]

I kinda just need a reason to use my blue shards

and styanax is right there....

[eternal prism]

craft something out of them

[sturdy vault]

my hildryn quivers at the thought I take off her red shards for blue ones

[eternal prism]

or use for energy pull over flow

[sturdy vault]

yeah but I already have 5 tauforged purples on my kullervo

[eternal prism]

you can have more of them

[sturdy vault]

1 billion purple shards and 1 billion green shards!!!

[opal leaf]

Wdym secret trade tech hahahahah

[eternal prism]

green shards good

[opal leaf]

Oi Step, what do you mean secret trade tech =w=

[eternal prism]

because it's secret

i cant tell it for everyone

[opal leaf]

Dammit.... I hate when youre right ;~;

But fr thoDagath is soooo good

I'm a invest more on durstion tbh

[flat fossil]

I rolled the gifted mod and stopped there it's not perfect but will continue rolling it when i get kuva xD

is it usable like that even if it's with -35% ammo maximum?

[eternal prism]

I'm not sure that in riven 2 elemental damage doesn't have a priority... I think gas isn't the best thing for nukor

[old marsh]

u want a viral from this Nukor riven due to low dispo

[flat fossil]

Gotcha i will try to get it with the kuva later

[eternal prism]

or uskos with grol riven...

[old marsh]

unless u got millions of Kuva, its not really worth it

[fierce lark]

even if you do there are like 500 better weapons to spend it on

[hollow ingot]

Anyone got a Protea Prime build ?

[opal leaf]

I have a build but it's more on Durstion and strength

As that's her focus, range can be 100% but I go less on range

[hollow ingot]

I was playing with a guy and he was just nukin the board with his build had so many of her first abilities goijg then used her second was very impressive he never fired a shot lol I want that build lol …. So does your build revolve around abilities

[opal leaf]

Not by a mile but it does do that

Slot in roar on her 3 or 4 go Dura and Strength but prioritize the strength if you want the same effect

And there you go, my build does the same but it's focused on spamming 2 and keeping his 3 up while I am stationed

[hollow ingot]

Thanks I will try it out and play around with it

[opal leaf]

Sure thing tenno

[sacred wind]

🤔 do u guys have any suggestions for modifications in this build

[flat fossil]

Well I really love Nukor that’s why I wanna upgrade it other hand I have other weapons hahaha

[green gyro]

you can put a cold mod first and get viral heat

but you lose 120% sc so

[ivory nymph]

dude what the flip

larper

[fierce lark]

the gun has the lowest possible riven disposition at 0.5, so getting one that’s slottable over a regular mod (especially with how strong pistol mods are) is a lost cause

[pallid quiver]

@fierce lark torid wants more investment in crit or more in status?

[fierce lark]

both

[bold warren]

I don't know what to change to make my Volt Build better / closer to the Melee Platform I desire him to be but I'm still early game, would people mind telling me how to improve it or what mods to rank up or whatever given the limited Endo I have and stuff?

[mental night]

we heart gamblecore

[undone dust]

mountaintop recluse anarchy meta

wow that is not recent why did my discord throw me up that far wtf

[bold warren]

Would anyone mind?

[pallid quiver]

whats ur build for it? and which uh arcane

considering no riven

[opal leaf]

You are not limited in endo in this sense

What you need is to focus on what he needs the most and not what you wanted for him

[bold warren]

???

[opal leaf]

Prioritize Durstion then Strength

Volt needed that

[bold warren]

Why not Strength over Duration

[opal leaf]

One of the ways I learned in modding is "giving the frame or weapon what they want"

It's the reason when I ask for builds I always ask:

"what kind of build [specific weapon/frame] is focused on?"

Once I kmow that, I can build it in a way I can while prioritizing what they need

So in this instance, you wanted a Melee Volt, Volt needed 3 of his abilities:

His 1 - for Applying electricity to weapons
His 2 - speed
His 3 - for frontal survivability

These 3 doesn't need range, they prioritize Durstion as you wsnt them to be active all the time. Strength comes next for the buffs

That's what Volt need

[lean tendon]

Volt doesn't need that much strength for weapons platform

Blind Rage is like the only strength mod I have in my Volt

[pallid quiver]

yea but volt wants str if he wants to go fast

[opal leaf]

I like doing Intensify and Blind Rage then all dura and energy hahahah

[bold warren]

I'll just share my build when I can okay?

[opal leaf]

Yeah sure

Well in short of what I sakd, give Volt the role and the build he wanted to fulfill that role

Which speaking off

What kind of Frost is focused on?

Frost is being crafted in the foundry rm

I needed to know what is his build focus

[pallid quiver]

dur str maybe

he can protect defense / excavation / mobile defense targets pretty well with his 3 i think?

mostly a hard CC frame

[opal leaf]

Oh yeah. What about that snow globe thing where he van generate overguard thingy

That's not range?

Just stating what I read, that's all

[pallid quiver]

most frosts i see just slap it on the objective and call it a day tbf

u can definitely use it to overguard gate too

[opal leaf]

XD

I might as well hahaha

[brittle sleet]

https://overframe.gg/build/218072/frost-prime/surging-avalanche-100-armor-strip-red-crit-breach-surge-frost-general-use-endurance/ I'd recommend reading through this for a general overview on Frost build basics. His 3, the snow globe, has nothing to do with his overguard btw

[hexed sundial]

lol I was wondering why I got pinged in this channel

And it was a joke

[versed harbor]

frost wants nice range (stretch + overextended minimum imo) and atleast 167% strength (for his 4 armor strip) the rest is preference rly

pretty good augments but none required to play him, icy avalanche and biting frost are the best

[opal leaf]

That's the weapon platform one and the overguard one right?

[versed harbor]

ye

optional tho but hes not using mod slots for much else

I dont even rly like the crit augment cuz it only works on frozen enemies which are already a none threat and eximus / other cc immune enemies are just unaffected

[wary forge]

Bitting frost is terrible

Just run his 1 augment the gives you cold damage and subsume the 2 with roar ez platform

If you’re doing steel path and stuff the over guard is gonna be enough to keep you alive

Would really only go butting frost on certain weapons that it’s multiplicative with

[brittle sleet]

Biting Frost is also hilarious for making Breach Surge red crit

[wary forge]

It’s good with angstrum but just subsume xatas

You’re gonna get way more damage with freeze force and all u you have to do is just hold your one

Not to mention it buffs your team as well

Scales very well and roar triple dips the damage

[craggy niche]

Yeah but roar is a snooze fest 😴. I only run roar personally on builds that wouldn't work otherwise.

Like my danse danse revolution rev

Which actually works just fine without roar roar just helps it with early scaling

[analog stirrup]

The one downside is that its cold messes some setups by mixing with current elements, personaly I despise it.

[wary forge]

It doesn’t work like that

It just gives your weapons an extra instance of cold damage

[craggy niche]

Its a extra projectile proc like spiderwoman and recon

[wary forge]

It doesn’t combine with anything

Works like the same way as shock trooper venom dose etc

[craggy niche]

Basically the entire reason primary frostbite exists i might add and primary frostbite is amazing with it loll

[analog stirrup]

Are you sure about that?

[wary forge]

Yeah it’s good with out roar I’m just saying if you want to get really crazy with the damage

[wary forge]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Freeze_Force

[analog stirrup]

Havent used or seen it being used recently but it did merge with mods, like ember's

Fandom...

[wary forge]

Interesting

[analog stirrup]

Actally... I'll just test it

[wary forge]

I don’t know I haven’t used frost in a bit but if it works how it should then it should just be a seperate instance of damage

[analog stirrup]

I used to use it just for the mixing... Something must have changed then. But first must test

[wary forge]

Think it used to work like that maybe or was bugged I’m pretty sure it was fixed in like late 2024 when they fixed valence formation not combining

[shrewd cobalt]

Which one?

[wary forge]

Right one

[shrewd cobalt]

Why?

[wary forge]

I would keep rolling

[shrewd cobalt]

What makes it better

[bold warren]

Is this good enough for a Volt Build?

[wary forge]

-neg fr is a death sentence

Especially on Sobek

[shrewd cobalt]

Isn't x0.83 infested dmg worss?

[wary forge]

It’s infested they die fast anyways

[hearty swift]

Infested stink like poop anyway though

[shrewd cobalt]

Ite ima trust y'all

[wary forge]

Only real negative faction that actually matters is grineer

It depends on your Sobek build but you really don’t want base dmg on a riven

[analog stirrup]

ye, seems like it was changed

[shrewd cobalt]

U said right so i went right

[bold warren]

@versed harbor Can I get your opinion?

[wary forge]

Yeah like right is usable

[shrewd cobalt]

And right has damage

[wary forge]

You could take out point blank most likely

[quiet laurel]

+fire rate on sobek is pretty important on a riv

[shrewd cobalt]

@wary forge @quiet laurel gang

Not picking ot, just found it funny

[wary forge]

Pretty much

[quiet laurel]

I need a worse lense, I can almost see the riven

[barren folio]

Can anyone help me which one is better?

[wary forge]

Fire rate and elemental are the 2 main stats you wanna go for

[wary forge]

Right

Don’t even roll it bro that right one is fine lowkey

[barren folio]

Aight thanks!

[wary forge]

Unless u want to sell it or something then I guess

[barren folio]

Oh really? aightt its for personal use never selling it

[wary forge]

If it’s for personal use then I would just keep it as is

[shrewd cobalt]

@wary forge how's the build?

[barren folio]

Alright thanks bro!

[wary forge]

Run Crit dec over blunderbuss also clip del is better then hell

What frame is this for

[shrewd cobalt]

Urinal

[shrewd cobalt]

Ion have that

[wary forge]

Just runn charged shell cold on the Sobek for magnetic take out toxic barrage for elementalist

[shrewd cobalt]

What's clip del?

[shrewd cobalt]

Ion have elementalist + progenitor is 56% heat

[wary forge]

The Sobek specific mod

[shrewd cobalt]

Ohhhh

Ya i have that

[wary forge]

I would get Crit del it’s essentially core on like 99% of shotgun builds since it’s so much better then blunderbuss

[shrewd cobalt]

Deceleration is what i don't have

[wary forge]

Yeah

It’s like 10p tops it’s really not that expensive

[shrewd cobalt]

Ite, found for 8

[wary forge]

You also really want fire rate on Sobek either through shotgun barrage or arcane tempo

And ideally reinforced bond on your pet

Or on a riven but yeah

[wary forge]

Neg efficiency is pretty rough on volt if u got transfort I would run that over rage and molt augmented if u got that arcane and or umbral intensity but yeah for a new build thats gonna be fine just neg efficiency might get annoying

Depends on the mission but I mean for most stuff all u really are gonna need to do is just activate shock trooper and u should be fine

Volts shield lasts a good amount of time at base so you don’t need a ton of duration even if you want to use your 2 to get around 150% duration is gonna be fine for most missions

[shrewd cobalt]

@wary forge now wot

[wary forge]

That’s fine u don’t need savy since u have the status u need from clip dell

Shotgun elementalist is gonna be more damage

If you’re running it on a frame like Uriel that gives it heat damage

You also don’t really need toxic bargage I would say just run shotgun barrage

But I mean yeah if you’re not using roar/nourish then ur gonna want corrosive tho

Elementalist boosts your acid shells and your heat imbumenet that u get from Uriel

[green gyro]

idk if that riven is dps increase over ppb ngl

especially if you're running hotshot

[wary forge]

You want a faction damage mod as well

[wary forge]

True

[shrewd cobalt]

Progenitor is heat

[wary forge]

You can change it

gotta forma it 5 times

[shrewd cobalt]

Ik, what's the best one?

[golden wraith]

Running this on a shock trooper volt build, do y'all think I should change blast to something else? not really sure it's the best play but honestly idk what else i'd want to use. Bo Prime Incarnon btw

[wary forge]

Cold and or magnetic that’s only if you are using something like nourish or roar to boost the damage if you’re not using any of those then just go for toxin and run charged shell for corrosive with a faction mod

[pallid quiver]

puncture and go doughty

[wary forge]

Really don’t feel like you need that much status considering you have galvanized elementalist this is fine

[crude quarry]

Anything I can improve? and I got no idea on what to put in the first arcane slot

It got 1 bright yellow shard for casting speed and 3 bright red for ability strength

[wary forge]

Honestly with shock just go pure electric

Touch and organ shatter over. Blast mods

[versed harbor]

needs blood rush and weeping too probs

[novel bear]

What’s the riven?

But also on volt you can get rid of berserker fury

[shrewd cobalt]

What ability can i subsume on uriel?

[fierce lark]

i would suggest none personally

all of them do something relevant

[shrewd cobalt]

Ya but if i were to subsume, which could go?

[pallid quiver]

get rid of his 4

who needs it anyways

[wary forge]

1

[fierce lark]

1 or 4 depending on if you care about nuke/hotshot+mobility more

[shrewd cobalt]

Oh how i wish you weren't right, since it's the one i cast the least because his gunrunning kit is so fun

[shrewd cobalt]

I don't have hotshot

[fierce lark]

then if you don't care about the torpedo roll 1 is pretty forgettable

and it messes up heat inherit

[novel bear]

Does subsuming get rid of the demon?

[fierce lark]

no

[shrewd cobalt]

No

The demons are his passive ability

[coral crest]

Removes stat scaling from it

[fierce lark]

it just gets rid of the stat scaling on whatever the demon does

[shrewd cobalt]

Oh fr?

[coral crest]

And removes the manual command from it

[fierce lark]

yeah, thats why dagath doesn't subsume 2 even tho she gets the effect passively with her 3 aug

[coral crest]

Pressing the ability forces the respective demon to do the thing immediately, and ability itself gives the respective demon stat scaling

[shrewd cobalt]

Thing is i really wanna give uriel roar

[coral crest]

Removing the ability gets rid of scaling and manual command, like on any other frame with a passive tied to an ability

[fierce lark]

you have to subsume 3 for roar

or xatas or eclipse or anything else coded as a "buff"

[shrewd cobalt]

What do i do if the demons die then

[coral crest]

Voruna loses a passive, Lavos loses an infusion

[fierce lark]

3 is the heat infuse buff

[shrewd cobalt]

Oh, that's all it does?

[fierce lark]

and the active damage vulnerability

[pallid quiver]

wait why

[coral crest]

You're losing the vulnerability, not the heal

[novel bear]

Except nourish

[shrewd cobalt]

Faaaaaah

[fierce lark]

certain frame abilities are hard coded as "buffs" which are only subsumable with each other

[coral crest]

Very loose "balance"

[pallid quiver]

ohhh

[fierce lark]

like if you want to run xata's whisper on rhino, it HAS to go over roar, and vice versa on xaku

[coral crest]

Saryn is excluded for some reason, her toxin lash stays

[novel bear]

No problems with roar on saryn though

[pallid quiver]

what subsume does xaku like anyways

[fierce lark]

omamori tbh

[coral crest]

Omamori

[mighty flare]

pillage, nourish, omamori, terrify

[coral crest]

Full evasion power

[novel bear]

Nourish is also excluded, if you want to run an Oraxia build using her 3

[fierce lark]

nourish, shock (with aug), and wrathful advance are universally very strong buffs which don't fall under the list

and yeah we'll all have a moment of silence for oraxia who has to lose 4 for roar but saryn gets to keep the same ability and still subsume w/e she wants

[coral crest]

You either scream or show off your legs

[fierce lark]

what all else is like that even

eclipse, ripper's wail, resupply, xata's, roar, silken stride, demonium

[solemn kiln]

wait you are forced to replace praxies 4th?

oraxies*

[coral crest]

Also Amp and Vex Armor

[fierce lark]

oh yeah chroma exists

[solemn kiln]

for his lore being what it is chroma feels kinda weak xD

[wary forge]

Chroma isn’t week

[trim sonnet]

is it normal to use every single umbra mod on lavos

[violet silo]

they should add toxic lash to that stupid list if they're gonna ban resupply

[fierce lark]

ye

[violet silo]

GIVE ME MY ROAR CYTE

[fierce lark]

normal ish? he has the stats to support it, and no energy to spend for shieldgate

[coral crest]

its by design, yeah

[fierce lark]

he is one of the better triumbral users

[coral crest]

with persistence it even scales to very high lvl

he has a heal as well

[trim sonnet]

so i should run all umbral mods on him

[coral crest]

why not

[fierce lark]

if you want

[solemn kiln]

he isnt nearly as tanky as his lore suggests

[fierce lark]

chroma sucks lets be real

he's a walking credit booster

[wild rune]

yea chroma is kinda on the rework block

[violet silo]

"no frame sucks" no, shut up. mods are good. frames can be bad.

[solemn kiln]

compared to his lore which says he will be the last one standing essentially

[fierce lark]

his one damage buff is additive base damage lol

[wild rune]

his sole existence is adding another credit multiplier to Profit-Taker's drops

[fierce lark]

and a reload speed/swap buff

no no, he can also add a credit multiplier to safes

[wary forge]

Chroma isn’t week

[violet silo]

chroma mains, you should be complaining WITH me so that he can be buffed

[fierce lark]

chroma is year

[wary forge]

He’s just not tho

[mighty flare]

week

[violet silo]

and ember and whatever else

[wary forge]

Vex armor is one of the best dmg buffs in the game

[fierce lark]

ehhhhhhhhhhh

[wild rune]

chroma takes a year to do what others do in a week

[wary forge]

Just go chroma Zaw knowers know

[fierce lark]

thats a bit contentious

[wild rune]

yea idk about that one chief

[violet silo]

worse than the other 14+ damage buffing abilities

[coral crest]

Chroma is good if you use one of the two weapon types his buff is bugged with

magnificent

[wary forge]

That’s just not true

[coral crest]

i have no idea i never tried chroma

[wild rune]

now this is a statement I can get behind

[red moat]

can one manage to nuke themselves if they kill too many enemies in one go and have combat discipline as an aura?

[wary forge]

Yes

[wild rune]

do these drop a good amount of credits? I never paid attention, got the pizza and ran away

[fierce lark]

yeah, 100k guaranteed, works with boosters

[wild rune]

[solemn kiln]

can walk away with 800K + depending on boosters

[fierce lark]

if you get a legacyte bounty with safe as the obj you can do it in like 3 minutes

best credit farm after PT/lecta

[wary forge]

It’s good but I mean just do profit taker if you can it’s similar credits plus the other stuff it drops or just do Lecta

[fierce lark]

it's also a lot more accessible

[bold elbow]

viable build ?

[wary forge]

Yeah all u really need is chroma and a pet with retirver

[fierce lark]

replace terminal velocity with a fire rate mod and then yeah, looks fine

maybe drop rifle aptitude for something until you get galvanized

regular rifle aptitude doesn't do much

[bold elbow]

enough for arbitration or not ? if not i'll just take my wukong or phantasma

[wary forge]

Anything over thermal and it’s fine

[bold elbow]

60% seems fine no?

[fierce lark]

status chance isn't the reason galv apt is used

[bold elbow]

oh really?

[wary forge]

60/60 gonna do better then normal apt

[bold elbow]

oh yeah totally lmao

[fierce lark]

there's a line of text under it that says "on-kill gain x damage per status affecting the target"

that buff is why people run it, it usually replaces serration

[wary forge]

No

[fierce lark]

on some projectile weapons, including nataruk, you run both, because the damage from aptitude scales multiplicatively with other sources of % damage

[wary forge]

You run both for most builds unless u got some way to get a lot of additive damage

[bold elbow]

?

[fierce lark]

you mean the primary damage arcane that 95% of weapons run?

[craggy niche]

He doesn't really need one imo

[bold elbow]

Feel like corrosive on a bow ain't smart

but maybe im wrong

[fierce lark]

if you're trying to be anti-corpus you'd want to run pure toxin, other tox mod instead of stormbringer (or you can run magnetic with cold+elec)

[wary forge]

Corrosive is just never bad

Gonna get use out of it in 99% of missions

[bold elbow]

yeah i'll go pure toxin since its on europa rn

[craggy niche]

Ma boi xaku beautiful as is imo

[fierce lark]

im not sure how corpus shields scale into levels tbh

like at what point toxin is better than magnetic

[tidal parrot]

for general use eletric on nataruk is good since you pop heads with it then ot does aoe zap, if you want combined element then do blast

[wary forge]

Idk I just run magnetic

Toxin is just cope for the most part

[tidal parrot]

also it goes multiplicitive with gundition overload

[craggy niche]

Magnetic supreme for overguard too

[bold elbow]

i can get magnetic + tox no? or magnetic electric

[craggy niche]

You can with the iff mod for mag

[wary forge]

Especially on a bow

[wary forge]

You could but then that’s 3 mod slots magnetized cycle is mid on bows since the extra mag cap doesn’t do anything

But I mean yeah just take out thermal for that

Both drain 7

[bold elbow]

this ?

i went for more multi

[wary forge]

That’s fine

[bold elbow]

i'll try it on arbi then, if it doesnt work i'll just grnd a bit to get the necessary mods

[wary forge]

If u really want you could go mag cap

Instead of vigilantle

[bold elbow]

well i'll try it now

[celest tendon]

What is good to take it should I reroll for rare one critical damage,critical chance and damage.

[wary forge]

The one you have is fine

I mean heat is kinda meh

[celest tendon]

Yep true

[craggy niche]

Heat is probably the best ele in the whole game lol

It armor strips and stacks infinitely

[tidal parrot]

isnt despair incarnon basically a huge aoe and there fore base damage is prty decent plus heat is a really good element

[wary forge]

I got no idea what a despair build should look like but you don’t really want heat on rivens since u got primed heated charged

[tidal parrot]

i mean yea but you can just swap it out, outside of meta crit crit ms or smthn with -zoom rivens more often then not you try to just replace a mod slot with what you can

[craggy niche]

Thats for secondaries

[wary forge]

Why would you swap out primed heated charge when your riven can’t get 165% heat

[craggy niche]

There is no such thing as primed heated charge for despair lol

[undone dust]

despair is a secondary dude

[craggy niche]

Ohhhh I was crossing my wires with dread

[undone dust]

silly goober

[craggy niche]

But yeah either way the idea of a riven is to embolden or replace mods so other things can be ran. Nothing wrong with heat on a riven imo

[tidal parrot]

this is what i slapped together for despair, dont think i really looked all to much at overframe or anything so its possible i missed out on smthn but overall this atleast does prty well plus applies a bunch of statuses

evo 2:gunco
evo3: person preference
evo4: increase status chance

[spiral chasm]

u can probably replace your cc mod for that riven

[wary forge]

Yes but you want to replace a mod that your riven gives more of a stat increase like in the case of most weapons if u got a riven with cd you can just take out the Crit damage mod for that riven

[tidal parrot]

its minus 120% ms, you could replace the CC but then your not gona be shooting any projectiles just about 😭

[celest tendon]

[spiral chasm]

his left roll is the good one

[undone dust]

the first one still has a higher cc than ppg

[spiral chasm]

its +recoil which is fine

[wary forge]

Yeah like just take our hornet strike if ur running it for that riven

[celest tendon]

It's just sooo hard to choose

[tidal parrot]

oh i completely forgot 💀 i swear im not tweaking

[craggy niche]

I'd just stick with left lol. Good enough for a weird sidearm lol

[wary forge]

Bro I would not even roll it anymore

Just keep your riven it’s very useable

[celest tendon]

[tidal parrot]

just take left, and swap like primed heated charge or smthn like that and youll do just fine

prty sure with enervate thing alrdy red crits prty often

so just even more crits ig

[craggy niche]

https://tenor.com/view/its-time-to-stop-stop-clock-time-gif-5001372

At 130 rolls lmao

[wary forge]

Oh I guess despair is low Crit

Incarnon is prob high Crit tho

[spiral chasm]

sadly enervate only crits if u dont crit for a bit

[wary forge]

Or like it has evolutions that give it Crit stats right

So you could prob build Crit on it if u wanted 2

[tidal parrot]

prty sure large aoe (or ms i forget) can build up tons of enervate

[craggy niche]

It crits often enough lol

[craggy niche]

Yes and yes

[undone dust]

3rd evo gives it +18% more cc and +0.4x more cd

[tidal parrot]

which considering the incarnon is a huge aoe 👀

[wary forge]

There u go so then yeah

[tidal parrot]

base is 30% cc without 4th evo for more crit

i just use the SC one cuz smthn smthn all the statuses or smthn

[past condor]

i'd suggest u to try goin for Heat, crit, galavn.shot, cascadia flare and the incarnon form just shits on everythin if to describe it softly..

[woeful crest]

Does anyone use shivering contagion on anything?

[past condor]

if a sentinel does cold and u have a free slot then y not?

tho i prefer to abuse heat with Contagious Bond...

[past condor]

here, very viable, by steel heavy eximus standards i test..

[coral crest]

Summoners wrath my beloved

[tidal parrot]

Prty sure mine does just fine as well. Overall just different ways to build the same thing

[heady palm]

Any fun builds for Yareli prime? 👁️ 👁️

[past condor]

wouldn't say the same thing as u can build the thing to kill or to prime, i merely offered the more lethal variant..
as for me, i have an even stronger build with the riven (crit,crit.) but the thing is on me for pure fashion..

[tidal parrot]

same thing as in same weapon not for the same purpos, even then tons of statuses and gundition overloads gives plenty of damage

[past condor]

my actual build!! XD

[tidal parrot]

what am i looking at 😭

[past condor]

tha red pouches!!
my despair can be only in fashion XD

[drowsy herald]

Misery:

[fair warren]

Hello everyone, hope are all doing well. This my sevagoth prime build, how do i improve its ability strength?

[drowsy herald]

Are you energy tanking?

[fair warren]

I beg your pardon? I am not familiar with that term.

[past condor]

Meet my AKA DAKKA build (AX-52)
INFINITE AMMO!!! ..
and potentia dps., as long as heads are been hit in at least intervals of 10s wich is more than needed to maintain it...

and with a proppa riven we can make even better DAKKA!!

enjoy..

[drowsy herald]

https://youtu.be/_PCQCx8O0-A?si=fwheixsTraL7aNp_ you can watch this video for a build on sevagoth and understand him more

[drowsy herald]

I have my ax52 collecting dust because I can't be bothered to invest forma in it yet. But I'll try it later

Right the augment is also expensive

[past condor]

swap with Vile Acceleration till u git 1.. (also a tested variant)

u can pump up the wep with ember even more (Fireball Frenzy augment), makes the game to a "Point & Click" adventure, especially with Roar as cherry on top..

[young lotus]

Does anyone have a good SP Mesa build?

[fair warren]

Thank you, you are kind.

[past condor]

don't fall to the Mesa trap brotha.. XD
as far by my experience on SP., Mesa = carpet...

[fierce lark]

that must be some pretty limited experience

mesa can survive anything that isn't levelcap with just fortifier, or with shatter shield + adaptation

[lean tendon]

Mesa is definitely not a trap

[agile wagon]

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[fierce lark]

reducing incoming damage by 99.75% is pretty good xd

[young lotus]

I need to branch out on builds since currently I only play Rhino, Atlas, Grendel, Mirage and Lavos

Oh and Kullervo

[past condor]

don't verdict on pure opinion first, second i'd agree yet not in the same meaning, as the frame by it self hasn't capacity to tank 1 taps and 1 tap at same time, and sufferer to many mesa teammates during my years of play and it left me a verry grim taste and harsh opinion of such "META slaves"...
and i can confidently say tha above 80% mesas i had in my squads were perma floor carpets, moppin the floor by the hand of the mobs...
i wish that would be my delusions but each time i have mesa on the high lvl missions, especially arcamidias, my soul just screams within, hopes it won't be another useless leech, moppin the floors.. but reality shatters it each time with such incompetences and draggin whole team down to failures...

[abstract axle]

I'd disagree, for solo at least. fortifier alone doesn't work cleanly until later, say you need to either start with hp tanking to get deep enough, or shield gate a bit at the start

[past condor]

fanny words magic man, i just seem dem insta die like flies cas all try is to go scooty shooty on every thing and git 1 tpped... x'D

[craggy niche]

Naaahhh I run shatter shield adaptation and rolling guard and I have 0 problems with survival, she's super sustainable as long as you can get the energy worked out

[violet silo]

can’t really say skill issue in warframe so
mod issue

[craggy niche]

Shieldgating on mesa is unnecessary and clunky imo

And takes up valuable spots that rg and adaptation are better suited for

[abstract axle]

adaptation is hp tanking lol. But more to the point, thats more slots than I want to give up

[craggy niche]

Well I mean adaptation snd shatter shield apply to your shield as well but I get what you're saying magic man

[tidal parrot]

i mean you absolutely can, saw someone going off the other day in a fourm post about how they cant aim, aimglide, and wall latch... all while shooting

would say thats a prty big skill issue from their Pov since they seemed to be atleast capable of playing sp missions

[craggy niche]

Also what does mesa even need the slots for she only need like 175 str, and good enough channeled stats to not have upkeep be a pain in the asss

[young lotus]

Damn I just asked for a Mesa build what have I done 😂

[violet silo]

oh wow that’s a serious skill issue

yeah you have to be TERRIBLE to warrant a “skill issue” in warframe

[craggy niche]

This is what i run. Ultimately fleeting is a hot topic around here but it's perfect for channeled abilities and with how many casts it takes to upkeep mesas kit I prefer it

[young lotus]

Already see one big problem I don't have a max Arcane Velocity

[craggy niche]

Its more of a bonus than anything

Also fleeting can be replaced with streamline if you don't want to have lesser duration or you can also run streamline, eliminate pcon and have a flexi slot there by running seismic bond on your sentinel but that route is inconsistent and I can't say for sure if it does or how it applies to mesas 4 because seismics bonus is inconsistent across channeled abilities

[young lotus]

What weapons do you run on her?

[craggy niche]

Her regulators

And whatever slop I'm leveling or circuit/edta forces me to run lmao

[abstract axle]

to throw another build into the mix, I find bright bonnet makes the build very smooth

infinite energy,and you can drop and recast the guns to shield gate. while its not the highest damage inject, mesas dps is already more than sufficient

[past condor]

i witnessed both cases, separately and mixed and not only with mesas.. tho my point was that mesa is inferior to too many options(any proppa built gun)..

i can give her some points for style, sadly no more than that..

[craggy niche]

In simalcrum maybe. In play there's not much better at clearing a room lol

[past condor]

no, i speak in practice..

my excal swing once and a room i clean...
mesa is just a gun that goes Brrrrrrrr... i have stronger ones tha dont take my frame slot..

[shell tundra]

I am needlessly bored. Does Inaros’ 4’s corrosive procs like green shards?

[abstract axle]

it works on his 4 yes

[shell tundra]

Yeah but like how consistently does Inaros’ 4 put out corrosive procs?

[abstract axle]

if you are having trouble with mesa killing, major skill issue. Excal might be higher damage just due how busted influence is, but mesa should be out damaging all but the strongest gun options

[past condor]

no influence, and i disagree abut the guns..

[abstract axle]

guaranteed every half second

[craggy niche]

Im pretty sure one corrosive stack tau would all that would be needed to shit on armor

[abstract axle]

then you are full of it, even if you get excals 4 to infinite damage Mesa will have a faster ttk by the simple time required to reach each victim

[craggy niche]

98 percent strip with one tau and more than you need with two regular greens

[past condor]

walls stops mesa from that...
excals swing goes 40-50m forward, through anythin..

[craggy niche]

https://tenor.com/view/lick-licking-disturbing-hawt-gif-11208945256316741062

[past condor]

and i did outmatch mesas in kps...

[abstract axle]

put this back where you found it so help me

[abstract axle]

out of curiosity, what are you claiming is your kpm on excal without influence?

[past condor]

i think you been tongued a bit too hard..?

[abstract axle]

also, you do realize the waves have a max number of people they can hit due to falloff right?

[craggy niche]

Yeah idk just from my own experience with mesa in eta/eda nothing really matches up with mesas kpm on mobile scrnarios lol

Most things require setup that are as powerful as mesas 4, she just presses 4 and flattens the room lmao

Idk man maybe you just built her wrong 🤷

[past condor]

(spawne rate)/(the moment i spot em within affinity range)
that's my kps, mostly endurance mission i end with ~80-90+% of team's dmg with hundreds of kills above, the only who close the gaps toward me are my clanmates as we use game brakin kits...

[abstract axle]

this is a worthless statement, and tells me you've never stress tested this build

[past condor]

did

[green gyro]

damage % is completely meaningless

[abstract axle]

to elaborate, hitting enough damage to one shot is trivial in this game. Acquisition time is the biggest bear to kpm, all your current statement is is that the sword can one shot, which says nothing about your killing speed

[green gyro]

it doesn't work and it resets in long missions

[past condor]

u realy think i'll sit to record suck negligible numerals from the mission, and discribe stress test, meaningless waste of time till the lvl cap to see the things still get 1 tapped..?
without preps testing on SP heavy eximuses?
don't baseless statements pls...

[green gyro]

there's a reason why ability range is the only thing we have hard caps on

[past condor]

if non left nor host migrated u can properly calc the dmg/kill contribution of each teammate to the destruction done..

[abstract axle]

the biggest problem with damage percent is it tracks overkill

[green gyro]

no you really can't

it resets to 0 after overflow

[abstract axle]

which means you eventually overflow and ruin it

[past condor]

since open beta never encountered such phenomenon, only aft host migrations..

[fierce lark]

this is called being bad at the videogame

[abstract axle]

so you aren't hitting the damage cap?

[fierce lark]

which, while perfectly fine, not everyone is gonna be good at everything, using people who are bad as a benchmark for what a frame can do is not an accurate way to evaluate something

[green gyro]

then you haven't used strong builds in endurance

[fierce lark]

also ive used the magistar enough to tell you definitively that damage % is meaningless

[abstract axle]

zephyr my beloved damage cap divebomer

[fierce lark]

because i would very frequently have between 90-99% damage done due to every hit being a 60m+ crit slam, and yet someone has over double my kills

they are contributing a lot more than i am

[green gyro]

or you can have 5000 kills and 3% damage

[past condor]

i think a standard of 1 tap without being 1 tapped is the sufficiency for endurance isn' it?

[green gyro]

2% damage 4500 kills

significantly more than entire rest of lobby combined

[past condor]

an example of high dps, but not dph..

[fierce lark]

what

[green gyro]

?

whatever bro have fun

😺

[fierce lark]

he literally killed almost twice as much as the rest of the group combined in a game that went well over an hour

how is that not high dph xd

[past condor]

dph - damage per hit

[fierce lark]

oh idk why i thought i read damage per hour

[past condor]

XD

[fierce lark]

damage per hit is irrelevant beyond what is needed to kill something

[green gyro]

2.14 billion damage every hit

it's hildryn

[fierce lark]

idk why but that just reminded me

we still don't have an exalted shotgun

[abstract axle]

ivaras goofy bow

[green gyro]

that doesn't equip shotgun mods

[fierce lark]

yes but no, still takes rifle mods 🙃

[green gyro]

it's also just a bow

[abstract axle]

its a bow that shoots 7 arrows in a line

if they let me put split flights on it, it would be close enough

[past condor]

abut this, bad player aren't the benchmark here, the observed statement is of the accumulated average, if the average player base are incompetent then that's a different story to discus abut..

[abstract axle]

I mean, I wouldn't say incompetent, but the vast majority of player builds aren't optimal, nor do they need to be

[fierce lark]

i can counterpoint you saying all the mesas you see enjoy the floor by saying i run into mesa teammates pretty frequently in EDA and, more often than not, they do the mesa thing of making necramechs die in 5 seconds and they don't have a problem living

anecdotal evidence isn't evidence

[potent flint]

Hey, I just build the Kompressa Prime, is it more a primer or a dps weapon?

[abstract axle]

primer

[fierce lark]

everything is a dps weapon, we've powercrept enough that the concept of primers is ancient

also kompressa can play with enervate bugs

[abstract axle]

wait, does kompressa have the client bug?

[stoic olive]

ive seen people hit !!! crits with the kompressa so i'd assume so

[fierce lark]

if it's the bug i assume you're thinking about im not sure

but i don't think the shot vs explosion stacking thing cares if you're client

[past condor]

nono, there're distinctly a player base i did encounter, they use the most op, min-maxed shit the can find and yet mid mission u look at them and try to comprehend "wat in damnation are they doin"... andd even startin to question the amount of functional braincells they have., ueh.. abysmal experiens....

[abstract axle]

You literally can't know this. Mods are far more important than loadout, and you can't see those mid mission.

[fierce lark]

idk all i know is every time i've gotten either ETA or EDA with Mesa, the combination of adaptation + shatter shield and the hp from archon vitality that im too lazy to switch has made surviving pretty easy

[past condor]

playin several year gives the touch to see on the field the method and performance a player does..

[mental night]

I mean i Just build a weapon for either crit or status, seems to be working for me so far

[abstract axle]

don't switch vitality, its so good on mesa

[green gyro]

what?

[stoic olive]

i managed to get negative crit on my laetum, im assuming that this makes devouring attrition the obvious best option?

[past condor]

1 sec on high lvls is enough to down whole team..
5 tho... well, u can imagine the math yourself..

[green gyro]

-cc is like a 4% dps increase

[abstract axle]

yeah, minus crit rolls are valuable for this reason

[mental night]

I just like building a gun to at least be usable in steel path. usually at least 600 damage and some crit does the trick

[abstract axle]

i thought the math ran close to 9ish, no?

[fierce lark]

rivenless overwhelming is probably still better

[past condor]

Lato, furis, tried?

[mental night]

I run the Acceltra and Sybaris

[stoic olive]

its a +status chance +cold +damage to infested -cc riven roll, so i think devouring manages to outperform? correct me if i'm wrong

[mental night]

maybe this is a hot take but rivens are nigh useless unless you wanna REALLY minmax a gun/frame

[abstract axle]

that riven is actually rather dissapointing, I don't think that makes the difference

[abstract axle]

Useless? absolutely not. Unnecesary? absolutely.

[stoic olive]

my riven luck is kinda trash, but im planning on rolling for something better relatively soon

[mighty flare]

explosions (from kompressa and/or blast procs) tend to stack enervate without triggering the reset
allowing it to hit higher crit tiers

[mental night]

i don't doubt they're helpful, but... i mean hell for the gamble you gotta take on 1. getting a good challenge, 2. getting it on a weapon you care about/own and 3. getting a decent effect, they just arent worth it to me

[stoic olive]

concealed explosives also stacks enervate, allowing things like the hikou and spira to build it infinitely

concealed explosives' inability to crit means it can build enervate without resetting for insane values, i think ive hit 10k% cc before

[abstract axle]

challenges are irrlevant. End game players have all weapons, but you are right that most rivens are trash. Getting a decent effect is time consuming, but its an endgame sink, and strong rivens feel insane

[amber atlas]

wanna improve this build even more , thinking of switching primary mirciless with primary blight

[craggy niche]

i kinda think people have too high a standard for rivens too tho

like if that shit doesn't have a bad negative, replaces a mod i have on it, and gives me one bonus roll i'm coolin man

[abstract axle]

theres a huge difference between usable rivens and sellable rivens

[mental night]

maybe im just not as time-sunk into the game to understand it, but i just never quite understood the value

[amber atlas]

same with what i did , i got a god roll with -max ammo so i slapped an extra ammo mod

[abstract axle]

the value is sometimes you get something gorgeous

[craggy niche]

that's fair

[mental night]

from my newerish sorta kinda player POV, its just an effect of how modding used to be that never quite came up to speed

[mental night]

the issue is that you get something gorgeous out of maybe 6 rivens

[craggy niche]

yeah they're a endgame function that early game people can kind of access

[mental night]

i will conceded though, the gorgeous can be nuts when you get it

[abstract axle]

no lol. The odds are way worse than that. maybe one in 50 for the weapon, and one in 80 for a roll?

[craggy niche]

and the rate of gorgeous to bad is probably way less than that even to be fair

[mental night]

exactly

[amber atlas]

any help with this?

[mental night]

it just aint always worth it to someone whos maybe al il more casual

if its not fun, why would i do it? my gun is serving me well enough, and i had a good time getting the mods for it if not totally not even noticing the grind for em

rivens just feel like a timesink im not willin to do. i can absolutely see the value in an absurd riven though

[abstract axle]

might I ask why you are going blast with it? its diluting your damage something fierce

[mental night]

when its a good riven, its the centerpiece of a build. the issue is, its rarely ever good if even servicable

[amber atlas]

i like boom boom

[abstract axle]

I have to ask, you know you can reroll the stats on rivens right?

[mental night]

with kuva, right?

[abstract axle]

well, its whats killing you. Switch up to pure toxin

[abstract axle]

yes

[mental night]

ill admit i aint messed with rivens much cause i dont see the value in em without a dense, DENSE ammount of effort, but ive had the thought if only for the platinum

[abstract axle]

I mean, its the most endgame farm in the game

[abstract axle]

also, add a fire rate and rifle elementalist

[amber atlas]

suppose this should do?

[abstract axle]

lose cryo rounds, the point of torid incarnon is to apply an absurd number of toxin stacks

[amber atlas]

what should i replace it with?

[abstract axle]

toxin 90

[pallid quiver]

oh seriously? i built my torid for viral heat

[amber atlas]

malignant force or infected clip?

[abstract axle]

I mean, it'll work since the guns a buzzsaw, but being base toxin means you still need 3 elements to do viral heat. You are much better off keeping those slots

infected clip, you want the 90% since it buffs the status ticks

[amber atlas]

then i suppose primary blight as arcane

[astral tinsel]

it's definitely not limited to toxin

[undone dust]

corro blast is in fact torid's best setup twin

[abstract axle]

i'm willing to be wrong, but i'm incredibly sceptical of triple element mods on any build

[abstract axle]

to put perhaps a finer point on it, its to stack a dot status. you don't want to built it for viral only

[undone dust]

toxin is fine for single target but torid is a trash clear weapon

[astral tinsel]

yeah just viral or corrosive would be a bit of a waste

[amber atlas]

what

[abstract axle]

link your setup

[undone dust]

not ingame rn but this generally what i run

[abstract axle]

serration seems troll with merciless

[undone dust]

you can swap it for elementalist but amalgam is just nice QoL

[amber atlas]

issue is my riven has SC , CC , CD

[astral tinsel]

and?

[amber atlas]

so idk if i should go for hybrid , full cri or full status

[abstract axle]

thats not an issue. Gave the build a spin. Works better on groups, worse when enemies are split, certainly better than I thought, ill have to take blast corro to lvl cap to make a decision, but since you mentioned you like blast, go this route. drop serration from the build and it should fit

[abstract axle]

(almost) every weapon is hybrid

or do you mean the evolution perk

[violet silo]

like I said
mod issue, skill issue, whatever

your anecdotal evidence isn’t enough to support what you say is an objective fact.

[indigo juniper]

locky riven pull i might have gone a little overboard with the build

[abstract axle]

oh, motovore, I was trying to figure out how the hell a riven gives minus 380 element