builds-discussion

[violet silo]

farmframe

[fierce lark]

diriga wants an IPS weapon to go with manifold coil

[lean tendon]

Well I guess burst or laser rifle

[spare linden]

There will be an anniversary alert with the dex sybaris soon, it’s a pretty good gun and it will have a potato pre-installed

It will start in 16 hours from now

[violet silo]

burst laser prime or laser rifle/prime

[fierce lark]

this build with laser rifle prime/burst laser prime/prisma burst

and 200% crit mod on weapon for tenacious

modded viral heat mag rad

[lean tendon]

Tazicor is good as well imo but I guess if you want as much status effect as possible then this

[fierce lark]

tazicor is probably the single worst weapon for diriga

[lean tendon]

It's not that bad

[fierce lark]

the innate elec provides 0 benefit to manifold priming, you may as well not even use arc coil atp

no it literally is the absolute worst option

any other sentinel weapon that isn't just innate elec would be better

cause you can't make viral heat with an elec weapon

[violet silo]

may I introduce… verglas

[lean tendon]

Eh I had decent results with it. It's definitely not that bad.

Of course Burst or Rifle exists and that's what I actually use on Diriga

But Tazicor isn't as bad as you're making it look. Is it optimal? No but it's definitely not the worst option out there.

[fierce lark]

what's worse then

[tawdry cargo]

rate my frost build :P

[violet silo]

at least it compensated for its’ shittiness by attempting to pull its own weight

[violet silo]

@fierce lark

[fierce lark]

verglas is about as useful as taxon

if you're building a dps companion you don't want to do it on diriga

(put verglas on something with a useful precept that can be run alongside assault mode)

[violet silo]

mhm

worse than tazicor imo

[fierce lark]

ie wyrm with reinforced bond + negate or nautilus rbond cordon

[violet silo]

gotta hate when people suggest these for diriga builds like it’s a fact that they’re the best

[fierce lark]

tazicor and verglas do different things

i prefer killing things myself with companion to prime, verglas does the opposite and makes your companion kill things, is very good at it with fired up

and duplex

[violet silo]

worse when you refute them and they act like “hey do what you want”

[fierce lark]

im not saying tazicor arc coil doesn't work

it's just a matter of fact statement that using a pure electric weapon with arc coil actively makes it worse

than any other weapon

because you forfeit the ability to mod viral heat

and i can't think of any other weapon that actively makes the precept less functional

at worse, taxon/verglas' innate cold adds nothing but still allows you to mod viral heat

but then why not simply use an IPS weapon and get an extra 3 elements for free towards CO priming, which is the main point of diriga

because manifold is a guaranteed status proc of every single element on your weapon every time arc coil goes off

[violet silo]

in general, to any future diriga users: how strong your weapon is DOESNT MATTER

[fierce lark]

only things that matter are the amount of elements on it, and if it can reach 50% crit chance

and obviously having useful elements is good (hence viral heat)

[craggy niche]

I like tazicor for viral prime cuz nothing consistently procs like tazi does

No point in having a extra useful ele if it primes not even half the stuff

[fierce lark]

when the sentinel is shooting the tazicor it's great, yeah

with arc coil it's useless

[craggy niche]

Oh fair nuff

[kind void]

why is it that some of the strongest weaposn in the game just have no riven market at all?

like you cant sell anything.

[craggy niche]

Because alot of strong weapons don't have a good disposition

[kind void]

so what disposition is all that matters?

[versed harbor]

cuz (other than most incarnons) good weapon means bad riven disposition means bad mod

[kind void]

you can ignore everything else?

[versed harbor]

ye bad dispo means the stats are rly low so its hard to replace a better regular mod

[kind void]

im talking about an incarnon. hate incarnon

there is no market at all for it

it took me 2 hours to sell this for 150p

this is a single stat from being a god roll

[versed harbor]

elec isnt rly usable on hate tho is it

[kind void]

what? yah it is. hate is one of the best melee influence weapons in the game

[random oasis]

any improvements i could do?

[versed harbor]

would cost u a few more mod slots to override the innate heat idk

[kind void]

not at all. the innate hit is only on the explosion

the 2 main hits are normal

and the rad makes it do more dmg with CO

maybe thats the problem. no one knows how the weapon works

[versed harbor]

plus like regular light spam / tennokai weapons arent rly that commonly used either

[earnest saddle]

honestly this looks solid to me, although i don't play gyre enough to weigh in on the minutiae

[versed harbor]

other than the rly op ones like stupid nami solo

[kind void]

hate incarnon is stronger the nami solo

[versed harbor]

nah

[kind void]

nami only has its follow through

thats all nami solo has

[random oasis]

thx spent few days trying out combinations and had to grind plat for arcanes

[versed harbor]

followthrough and big range which pair together

[kind void]

hate has infinite range

[fierce lark]

elec on hate turns the fireballs into radiation damage which stops the augment from working

[kind void]

and attacks 3x as much and 1 of those attacks has 100% follow through and ignores line of site

[kind void]

you dont use the augment for melee influence

it wastes to many slots. if you want to sue the augment you have to have external heat

[fierce lark]

you don't use external heat, you use shock trooper influence

[kind void]

you could do that. but you lose an entire subsume and ability

[fierce lark]

fireballs proc influence and spread both elec and heat all over the room

[kind void]

or you can just use a mass heat primer

[versed harbor]

nami still solos though tbh

[kind void]

so you are telling me that nami is over 3x stronger then hate?

[fierce lark]

when did i say that

[kind void]

by saying that nami solo is stronger

hate hits 3x per attack

[near vortex]

nami solo got that 100% follow through

[kind void]

hate has that as well

[novel bear]

You want shock trooper for that

[kind void]

no you dont. thats a waste of a subsume

[novel bear]

On what frame?

Just play volt

[fierce lark]

idk what you're referring to, i haven't mentioned nami solo

[kind void]

most frames XD you dont need shock trouper. just use dirge

[fierce lark]

but also

[eternal prism]

nope

[violet silo]

gus has that
all you nerds relying on your incarnons for follow through

[versed harbor]

ghoulsaw peak

[novel bear]

It’s a waste to use hate influence on most frames when volt just does it better

According to your logic

[fierce lark]

hate isn't even on there bc influence is niche

[eternal prism]

hate slash☠️

[kind void]

no you just dont need shock trouper

[novel bear]

It’s better if you use shock trooper though

[kind void]

talk about that with the guy. he set up the hate wrong. he used ppp istead of CO

[violet silo]

influence is niche

[novel bear]

Waste to not use shock trooper

[fierce lark]

(on hate)

[kind void]

yes. but thats a wasted subsume that can be used for something like roar

[violet silo]

phew

[fierce lark]

like it rly wants shock trooper or you're making your fireballs radiation which is yikes

[novel bear]

Why would you use roar when you can just put faction damage on the weapon?

[kind void]

why use shock trooper when you can use sentinal for electric and heat

[violet silo]

huh?

[novel bear]

Because then you’re not inflicting high damage statuses with hate

So why are you using hate

[eternal prism]

hate influence not work without shocktrooper

just accept it

[novel bear]

It can, just a lot worse

[kind void]

it works for me.

[novel bear]

Incredibly suboptimal

[eternal prism]

If it's worse then it doesn't work right

[kind void]

i tried nami solo. it just doesnt hit hard enough

[eternal prism]

hate better for heavy hits

atleast it have 100% slash proc... 600% if im not mistake

[kind void]

yah scythe heavy has forced slash

but burning hate is desgined for single target. influence is designed for room clear

[near vortex]

The humble tennokai

[kind void]

for hate you want the extra rad for a single reason. 60% of your dmg isnt affected by melee dmg boost. but CO does work

[eternal prism]

In any case, this weapon is much weaker with influence. Not only because it has a smaller radius, but also less potential damage.
nami have 30~m range with riven. hate no

[kind void]

so you get 160% instead of just basic 80%

[novel bear]

Burning hate is multiplicative with elementalist is multiplicative with roar is multiplicative with shock trooper

[fierce lark]

nami solo is enough by itself for me to breeze through ETA with unbuilt frames

[kind void]

hate has infinite range with melee influence

[fierce lark]

saying it doesn't do enough damage is ridiculous

[near vortex]

nami solo I think is the only non exalted with 100% follow through

It's kinda strong

[kind void]

ok let me clarify. it doesnt do as much dmg as hate incarnon

[versed harbor]

ghoulsaw mains are cooking rn

[bold warren]

I’ve probably wasted so much materials / doomed myself :/

[eternal prism]

nope cus for this you must take something

shock trooper or etc

[kind void]

what? no XD the passive gives hate incarnon infinite range.

you want the rad to double the dmg of the passive

[eternal prism]

Of course, you can play with whatever you like, but hate is clearly not the best option for influence

[near vortex]

Oh right, assault saw too
Too bad ghoulsaw is horrifically bad

Kuva Ghoulsaw saves the class trust

[spare linden]

Dw it will be fully built too

And with a weapon slot

[kind void]

i dont think you guys fully get how the hate incarnon works

[novel bear]

Wukong has more range
Play wukongfluence

[versed harbor]

kuva ghoulsaw has 200% followthrough and forced progenitor element proc on heavy ez

[novel bear]

Or baruukfluence

[fierce lark]

innodemfluence

the true way to spam radiation

[versed harbor]

and max riven dispo

[kind void]

idk about more range but wukong influence was insane

[eternal prism]

If hate's heat status didn't merge with other statuses, it would be good. But alas

[kind void]

but i personally like it with those heat arcanes

[bold warren]

I meant with wasting Potatoes and stuff on things I probably shouldn’t have

[novel bear]

Forced progenitor on light

[kind void]

for infleunce you want that. 60% of hates dmg isnt affected by melee dmg %

but for some reason CO does work

[craggy niche]

This is my comfy spot with her. Her nuking is alright but surviving off of circumvent is uhhh, tricky to say it nicely. I run 3x tau violets for ability damage, and two tau yellows for cast speed and energy effectiveness. I find equil to be kind of a bad slot for her because she doesn't really use all that much energy since its like one maybe two abilities that you have to actually use as the 3 and 4 are perma up

[kind void]

the rad gives you 80% more dmg

you dont want to use burning hate with melee influence. to many niche setups together make for a bad build

[versed harbor]

im so confused btw are u suggesting to use influence to spread rad

[spare linden]

Well, it’s okay, you’ll be able to get more later

[bold warren]

@spare linden Again, I just feel like awkward playing as this Koumei who is not properly build. I love the Warframe but like yeah..

[craggy niche]

Also without armor strip of any major consequence I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure roar and pillage end up being pretty similar dps and actually worse than pillage in later levels due to scaling armor

[novel bear]

Why would you not use burning hate with influence
It’s 2.2 status damage multiplicative with elementalist

[spare linden]

Hmm, where are you in the game rn? What’s your latest planet and quest

[kind void]

no the influence is just for electric. but due to how hate incarnons passive works the rad boosts the dmg of the electric by a massive margin

[bold warren]

I’m so buggered

[bold warren]

Neptune, Second Dream

[kind void]

ok let me explain how hate incarnon passive works.

[novel bear]

Or do viral rad on a sentinel?

[kind void]

why put the rad on the sentinal

rad is just what you get. when you combine the electric and heat

[novel bear]

Because hate is electric and heat

With shock trooper

[kind void]

its only use is bosting CO for the passive

[novel bear]

Perfect for sentinels then

[kind void]

once again you are wasting a subsume that you dont need to

[eternal prism]

hate without augment lags behind all other weapons with influence

[kind void]

no it doesnt. hate hits 3x more

thats literally what the passive does

for hate to actually lose to other weapons then they were 3 times stronger then hate before incarnon

which wouldnt make any sense at all

[versed harbor]

think this will go in circles forever ngl but its proven hate without shock trooper isnt contending with over top influence weapons so

[kind void]

hate incarnon has tripple the dm

[kind void]

its also proven that they used PPP for that test

which is the same as just not using incarnon at all

[versed harbor]

where does it say they use ppp idk

[spare linden]

I see gimme a sec, gonna try making a small build

[kind void]

i talked to the guy who did the test

[near vortex]

did you ask the guy what hates follow through stat is

[kind void]

for the explosion on the 3rd extra attack its 100%

but it also ignores LoS so it can hit through anything including limbo for some reason

hate incarnon has alot of weirdness.

like the passive not being affected by melee dmg

and it ignoring LoS and have 100% follow through

[eternal prism]

hate has lower stats by stance then okina stance btw

[near vortex]

Do you have footage of hate hitting across rift

Because if that's true why have I not heard this

[kind void]

no but its only the 3rd hit explosion

[eternal prism]

This is on the condition that hate also has a lower attack speed

[kind void]

which isnt that much

[eternal prism]

It's just that fact that will make it weaker

[kind void]

hate still has tripple hit

[novel bear]

Just use volt
And while you’re at it, shock trooper

[kind void]

who here has even used hate incarnon for any amount of time at all

[eternal prism]

It doesn't matter, provided that all the above weapons simply have higher dps

and this is even assuming that not all stance are working properly with co

[kind void]

Your saying that their incarnon is tripping their dps as well? Or that they had tripple hates base dmg from the start?

[eternal prism]

For example, in nami solo and okina it works a little worse on some attacks

[kind void]

Then by your stance logic hate still wins. You have to tripple the stance value. Since it hits 3 times for ever attack

So that 300% is 900%

[near vortex]

[bold warren]

For what if I may ask?

Cause I got no Potatoes

[kind void]

fairly certain the explosion does i never checked it myself cause i dont have limbo XD

[near vortex]

When the LR5 Limbo main says it doesn't, it doesn't.

[kind void]

i would have to defer to them on that XD

i dont use limbo at all

[near vortex]

You should
Actually incredible melee platform

[kind void]

and its been a mortal age since i saw them in a mission

[versed harbor]

projectile and explosion arent spreading elec tho so that doesnt rly work

[kind void]

projectile does explosion doesnt

[spare linden]

Mostly defensive focused so you can handle what the enemies throw at you

[kind void]

explosion spreads rad which only has the use of boosting electric

[placid nacelle]

is this good or bad

[kind void]

and making enemies confused and removing enemy buffs

[maiden cargo]

do this tau effect apply to elemental sandstorm ?

[kind void]

as rad does but the main projectile does spread electric

it also acts as a direct melee hit so you can hit for melee influence from an almost infinite distance

i assume the projectile despawns after a certain time or distance but its over 50m and i never tested past that

[versed harbor]

still not triple dmg tho

[near vortex]

I mean
If you want long distance Influence there's also no contest there

[novel bear]

Falcor

[near vortex]

I was thinking Zawfluence but that too yeah

[novel bear]

Or baruuk/excalibur

[kind void]

it hits 3 times. thats tripple dmg. sure only 2 of the hits have electric but you are acting like the rad isnt doing any dmg when it is. not as much as electric DoT but its there

[bold warren]

I would rather offensive ngl

[kind void]

but evne if you ignore the 3rd hit since its rad thats still double dmg with infinite range that can proc any on hit effects

[near vortex]

You should look into Zawfluence

[novel bear]

By three hits do you mean normal attack, projectile, and explosion?

Because that’s not three times the damage

The projectile and explosion are 130 each compared to normal attack which is 230

[kind void]

the projectile and explosion are based on the main hit. only difference is they are not affected by the melee dmg boost only from CO

[versed harbor]

well ye cuz the entire debate was on influence hate without shock trooper vs other influence weapons

the rad isnt doing any dmg cuz its an influence build so its practically irrelevant other than for co but there are better primers

[eternal prism]

they do not inherit stance
Yes, their damage increases from co, but this damage is literally 2-3 times less than from a normal attack

[novel bear]

They have different amounts of base damage

[eternal prism]

they generally receive too little benefit

[novel bear]

Use the new wiki

[near vortex]

old wiki 🥀

[spare linden]

Currently you can’t, most of the offensive Warframe mods are later in the game
For now, your strength comes from your weapons and the status effects Koumei does

[kind void]

stace affects it. same as CC and CD as well

and it can headshot which i actually didnt know XD

thats a new one

[near vortex]

most things can headshot

There's just not many melees that can

Glaive Zaw gunblade etc

[kind void]

i almost exclusivly use melee. its why i have put so much itme into learning them and knopwing how they top level ones work

[near vortex]

Have you built out Zaws yet

[novel bear]

Standard melee attacks can headshot for any weapon, it’s just inconsistent

[kind void]

i have and they are pretty good. but i havent seen them match up with the top level incarnons like hate, nami solo, okina, and the axes i can never remember the name of

the infested ones

[novel bear]

When harmony came out there was a lot of clickbait about what it could do on a headshot

[cursive peak]

As a proficient user of melee, what are some of your favorites, and recommendations for an interested learner?

[kind void]

favorites? i have always loved the hirudo just cauase of the healing and extra health

[near vortex]

Imagine better hate projectile

[kind void]

the coda ones are alot of fun.

[kind void]

oh you are talking about contaigon builds

never really liked them tbh

[bold warren]

RIP but thx

[kind void]

insane nuke power though. not much comes close

[cursive peak]

I've been trying to love the ghoulsaw, hoping the lich one is... better...

[near vortex]

I love contagion
Working on a Zawfluence Rabvee rn

[eternal prism]

You probably don't know about host and client bugs right?

[kind void]

i have heard about them but no i dont know much about how they work

mostly cause i dont look to much into bugs since ideally they get patched and donht matter much

[eternal prism]

Some mechanics don't work for the client, like xata

only for host

[kind void]

oh those yah i have heard alot about them

[near vortex]

multiCO is a bug
Hasn't been fixed yet but a bug nonetheless

[kind void]

im still looking intoi the weirdnes with rolling guard

im pretty sure its client side only

which makes it even more strange

[eternal prism]

In any case, hate projectiles don't deal significant damage due to the small number of ways to increase damage

[kind void]

they are affected by everything but melee dmg %

[eternal prism]

They have a bug where for some reason they can deal electrical damage in addition to radiation
but even so the damage is about 4 times less than if you just hit

[eternal prism]

nope
pressure point not scale it

[kind void]

i mean i have videos of me nuking level 175 SP corrupted heavy gunners at 30m range in 2 or 3 hits with just the projectiles

[kind void]

thats literally what i just said

[eternal prism]

only universal damage

[kind void]

they are not affected by melee dmg %

which includes ppp

but CO does affect them

[eternal prism]

It's not much anyway, because I tested them. The damage is still 4 times less.

This doesn't give hate x3 damage as you said

[kind void]

imma just assume you built it wrong cause the dmg difference of 30% follow through wouldnt be 4x

[eternal prism]

maybe 1.7~

[kind void]

without the CO its a solid 2x dmg at least. thats baseline without the weird double dips

[eternal prism]

Why build weapons if the issue is the difference in damage? Even if I install mods, it won't make much of a difference

[eternal prism]

i tried and with co

It still doesn't give a big increase and doesn't give as much damage as you say

[kind void]

show a video with the build

want to see what you are seeing

[eternal prism]

I tested it without a build using a calculator. I just changed the stance and some mods

[bold warren]

So what can be done @spare linden?

[eternal prism]

btw, okina has almost the same potential damage in solo targeting, just a little less

[spare linden]

Here’s my build idea, tried to make sure it would work without potatoes

Fast deflection and vigilante vigor, combined with your third ability make it pretty easy to survive: your shield will regenerate extremely quickly

Intensify and stretch improves the power and enemies affected by your 1 and 4th abilities

Equilibrium gives energy when you get health orbs, making it easy to sustain energy

(Ignore my armor, too long to explain)

[eternal prism]

but the condition is that they can flash several targets at once

only good thing about hate projects is that they are buggy and can proc electricity themselves

[kind void]

ok how long does it take nami solo incarnon to kill 20 level 180 corrupted heavy gunners

cause at range with hate incarnon i kill them in less then a second

up close its about .2 maybe .3 of a second

[bold warren]

Btw I have Onikuji’s Fortune

I bought it for Plat

[spare linden]

Hmm, wouldn’t recommend using it unless you do a long mission

If you do, replace stretch with it

[eternal prism]

I cant tell you about it now because I have a nami solo with riven
no space for without riven

[bold warren]

Also I find Wall Latch Kills a pain in the ass but oh well.

[kind void]

youcant build it without riven?

here i dont have a riven. fix my build. want to amke sure i dont have the wrong stuff

[bold warren]

Is this acceptable @spare linden

[eternal prism]

no space

need another form

[kind void]

look at my build. what should i change to make it better

im going to compare them on video

ill post both. the best hate incarnon with no riven can do and the best nami solo incarnon can do no riven

[eternal prism]

I can only show a slightly weaker build

[kind void]

ok 1 second let me show you hate incarnon

[eternal prism]

This still doesn't change the fact that my build is much weaker simply because it has cheaper mod options

[kind void]

show the build

level 180 sp corrupted gunners ill admit at the start it took a second to get melee influence to proc but once it procs the second set die almost instantly

thtas with this build

[eternal prism]

u test it with combo. im no

[spare linden]

Oh, you got energy nexus??? Well, you can replace equilibrium with it

Overall pretty good, once you can get a potato I heavily recommend adding handspring

[eternal prism]

i have only 1.2 crit multi from comp

[kind void]

your second set had full combo didnt it?

[kind void]

same

[eternal prism]

This is the cheapest thing I could fit in without riven

[pallid quiver]

yo i have a question about razorwing blitz

the buffs only apply when actively using abilities right

so to keep it up i have to keep using abilities

[kind void]

swap shocking for the 60/60. you get more electric procs

i think....

check status chance to make sure

on hate i get 6% more electric procs

[eternal prism]

nope im still cant fit it

no space
need another 2 forms

[kind void]

hmm damn XD

ok ill redoo the test with 0 combo on both

and no pet as well to make sure

[eternal prism]

if we test it with combo...

nami solo attack speed is too high. Heavy hits literally every second are the only reason it deals so much damage

[kind void]

this is with no combo at the start and no pet

[quick quartz]

heyy, this is my current endurance build for Nidus, im playing with the thought of adding teeming virulance since im using the coda hema after its augment release with him, but i am tbh not sure what to remove for it

[kind void]

if you want to run endurance nidus i can help with that. but it depends on play style

[kind void]

ok take a look at my nami build. i want to make sure i cant make it better before i test it

is cyclone stronger the sundering?

[quick quartz]

its more of a stationary build since i want to use parasitic vitality with persistance to health gate, while generating mutation stacks fast with the 4th augment, so im kinda restricted, what would you do?

[kind void]

you dont need to do that. you can remove his 3rd and replace with omamori

[eternal prism]

berserk always better then fury. i test without bane
bad stance

kraken better

[kind void]

ok ill need to get that 1 second

[eternal prism]

and yes, the main feature of nami is its length

[kind void]

yah i get that. thats whjy i have reach on it

[eternal prism]

It's very huge, which allows you to reach literally anywhere, which indirectly increases dps

and it also have huge riven synergy...

mere presence of riven makes this a top 1 melee weapon

[kind void]

well yah if i tested with riven it wouldbt be fair. according to market im using a 12k plat riven at least for hate

[quick quartz]

is omamori this good? never used it, how would it work for him?

[kind void]

omamori gives you a 50% chance to not get hit pretty much the entire time. eveyr 3 seconds at high level you heal back to full health

with persistence

if you ahve over 1500 health it turns into an almost unbreakable infinite health loop

if you want to go farther then remove bellacose for blessing and you have statistically infinite health

its what i use

[icy urchin]

is there a secondary other than cantare that has rlly good slash and reloads a decent amount similar to cantare cus i wanna do a very specific thing with it xd

[bold warren]

What

Is that

[spare linden]

The mod you showed in your screenshot?

[kind void]

there you have it. normallized as best i can. hate out performs it with the best none riven builds possible

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162254708858167407/1368265067942121694/41154030c1f7dc46.gif

[quick quartz]

gotta try this, have to unlock it first but will remember that, my build idea was it that i increase my health with parasitic to around 12k and regen my life with the coda hema or hirudo, the range restriction was quite annoying though to deal with

[kind void]

i made sure to do an extra set of enemies since nami didnt max out combo at the end of the second set. hate has bonus combo gain so i expected that

[kind void]

with my build you dont need range

it helps with larva but not needed

[spare linden]

I mean compared to a half leveled up equilibrium yeah it’s better?

[kind void]

well you can go that route

[eternal prism]

You don't take into account range and attack speed.
In any case, you're unlikely to be able to have such potential dps with hate when u use it for clear
ofc hate better in solo target

[kind void]

this isnt single target. this is a large group of enemies. also nami had 9m range. hate had 3.2m

[bold warren]

Ye IDK what it does

[kind void]

nami had higher attack speed as well

[quick quartz]

saved the imagine, will try it out once koumei is subsumed, tyy for the help

[kind void]

1.75 vs 1.42

nami had higher status but hate had higher CD

[eternal prism]

I don't know, but nexus is almost always bad, excluding builds like yarel or maybe volt...
if u not spam skill and u have more 100% efficiency nexus should be better

[kind void]

nexus is only good with either insane duration or isnane effic

outside of that it just doesnt do that well. better to use almost anything else

[eternal prism]

Yes, but this is a simulacrum. In a simple extreminate, hate will have bigger problems

[spare linden]

Energy nexus gives you energy regen, without the need of any orbs

At max rank you get 3 energy per sec

[kind void]

sorry step my bad got the range wrong. 9m vs 3.6m

[kind void]

you forget that hate still has the projectiles that have way way more range. the nami does

[bold warren]

Isnt Equilibrium better?

[eternal prism]

nami with riven 13 meters☠️

[kind void]

nami riven gives 4m more range?

that seems a bit much

[eternal prism]

They have almost 4 times less damage and do not cause significant damage

[kind void]

hate incarnon at range matches nami solo up close

i just showed that

[eternal prism]

3 but stance bugged and can hit a little higher than 1 meter further...

[kind void]

face it step. nami is strong there is no doubt of that but hate just beats it out by a small bit here and there

oh i didnt see that nami has max riven dispo

that explains alot XD was confused about the range

[eternal prism]

It only excels in solo targeting, which I didn't deny in general

so...

nami solo will simply be stronger than all of this... and it also has 1 abusive node

[kind void]

but as i have shown hate out damages nami when dealing with groups. nami is still easily top 3 or 4 weapons in the game no doubt

but ill always stand by hate being number 1 due to its passive being insane.

here mthis is hate incarnon max combo at range matching nami solo or maybe even being stronger then nami solo incarnon

the video doesnt lie. hate incarnon out performs nami solo incarnon

[spare linden]

It’s def better, but you gotta make sure you have a a way of making health orbs

If health orbs is easy to find then disregard what I said then

[kind void]

Health orbs are easy to just kill eximus

Boom infinite health orbs. In endurance you will find a lot of them

[random prawn]

Is Molt Efficiency good on Mag prime?

[spare linden]

Was mostly talking in an early game situation, eximus feel a bit rarer here

[kind void]

so what are your thoughts after seeing the vid proof

[kind void]

hmm i see thats fair

[versed harbor]

u cant rly compare in simulacrum, enemies are all clumped up so nami solo range advantage falls flatter + hate explosions can hit most of the enemies for the rad priming

[kind void]

enemies are farther then 5m apart. so hate incarnon explosion doenst hit everything

nami has 9m range that hits every enemy there. if anything this is more ideal for nami since it can hit every enemie and hate cant

hate is using almost pure influence nami is dealing direct damage and influence

[eternal prism]

problem is that hate has more base damage than nami, so electricity deals significantly more damage

[versed harbor]

no im saying say enemies are more spread out, that means nami would perform better than lower range weapons

[eternal prism]

That's why you think hate does more damage overall.

[kind void]

hate had 416 base dmg. nami had 403 base dmg

[bold warren]

Working on getting a Dirigia Build

[eternal prism]

it have very huge dif when we say about status damage

[versed harbor]

u cant rly show off nami having stupid melee range when simu spawns everything in a big clump anyway so most melees hit loads of enemies

[eternal prism]

nami solo/hate solo target
Of course, when enemies are in a group and Influence procs, it seems like Hate deals more damage. But when you enter a mission, you might be disappointed that the enemies are in different parts

[spare linden]

Im not very good with companions but maybe you can show me the mods you have so far?

[bold warren]

Also @spare linden since I don’t have the 60/60 Heat, Cold and Toxin Mods, do I just use the Silver Versions?

[kind void]

enemies are 15m apart. when im in the center where i was nami can hit everything. hate cant.

[eternal prism]

inluence issue

[opal leaf]

Yes

[eternal prism]

not enemies range here

hate has more damage for elecrticity

[spare linden]

Yeah, elemental combos are super important

[kind void]

so why did hate out perform nami when nami hits way way more enemies and procs more electric procs

[versed harbor]

my point is if enemies are even further spread (eg in a regular mission and not simulacrum) then hate influence dmg will go down more and more

[eternal prism]

nami hate looks at first hit

[versed harbor]

since nami is hitting more enemies means more procs/dmg/spread etc

[eternal prism]

because it is hardly noticeable on such enemies

[kind void]

why is the hate doing so much more then nami. its only a 13 dmg difference

[bold warren]

https://youtube.com/shorts/aQcCSNS3fcg?si=kN8x2Bmfsczv3DnI Cause I wanna try get close to this build but IDK how

[kind void]

it was over a full second difference

[eternal prism]

crit and more base damage issue

but it solo target

[kind void]

base dmg is almost the exact same.

its not even a 5% difference

[versed harbor]

and this is a test with no external buffing atall which is another thing nami solo benefits harder from

[eternal prism]

If your enemies are grouped like in the simulacrum, yes, hate will be better. but as has already been said, this will almost never happen

[kind void]

anything that can buff nami can alsobuff the hate

[eternal prism]

(crit)

[versed harbor]

yes but nami solo range and followthrough make it benefit more

[kind void]

so this test that gives as much advantage to nami as possible is still more sutied to hate?

[opal leaf]

Yeah, one thing is they didn't mention to get Tazicor

That gun looks like a Tazicor.. Not just Diriga

[versed harbor]

the test gives more advantage to hate :/

[opal leaf]

Companion guns

[eternal prism]

You could say that, because the influence of hate hits harder. And the radius in the simulacrum proves that this is true

[opal leaf]

That's why I don't watch "how to become op" videos :/ incomplete sometimes

[kind void]

nam hit nearly 4x as many enemies for melee infleunce and still lost. face it bro nami solo loses to hate in raw dmg

hate is just better

[lean tendon]

Even the base weapon of Diriga is fine

[atomic moth]

https://tenor.com/view/winkythedwarfcat-winky-cat-sad-tired-gif-6471914036130722371

[eternal prism]

vazarin god

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1359267439564685489/1441237521408200767/image.gif

[opal leaf]

Fair

But the one shown in the video looks like Hellstrum or Tazicor

[lean tendon]

That's Arc Coil

[kind void]

see. nami has far far more range. had more attack speed. had the same dmg. had higher status. and similar crit chance and only lost in critical damage. nami hit more enemies faster then the hate could. and the hate still won cause its passive is that strong even with the 100% follow through and extra range that let it hit 4x as many enemies it still lost

[lean tendon]

In MHBlacky's video, he actually used Vulcax

[versed harbor]

because enemies are unaturally clumped up in simularcrum :/

[kind void]

i was hitting 5 enemies at the most vs nami hitting 20 and i still did more dmg faster with hate

[eternal prism]

When influence procs from hate, it may seem like this

[opal leaf]

Hmm then explain why it did not work on me when I had a Diriga

I never saw Diriga does that wide spread thing ONCE

All they suggest is to get Tazicor, or Hellstrum or whatever it is :/

[eternal prism]

try same in mission now

[opal leaf]

Dammit guess builds just doesn't work on me

[kind void]

ok ill test it and see how they feel

[lean tendon]

That spread is Arc Coil mod, you combo it with Manifold Bond.

[kind void]

but i am willing to donate the forma you need to make the same hate build and the same nami build so you can donfirm it

[lean tendon]

The weapon can be anything but best is Burst or Laser Rifle for highest status count

If you want max stacks fast then Tazicor

[kind void]

ill do sedna since its my usual testing ground.

[opal leaf]

I'll get Diriga Again, and test jt

Because this bullshittery is not accepted... The only reason why I hate these builds is it work for them but not mine

[opal leaf]

I think I have burst, but I have Verglas rn I think...

[lean tendon]

Just get Simulacrum

[opal leaf]

I have it

What I meant is if I test it, it won't do the thing I wanted it to do

[bold warren]

Its jot Tazicor, its Volk something

[opal leaf]

Vulcar, Sea told me

Or smth like that

[fierce lark]

vulcax is the weapon diriga comes with

and it's tied with tazicor for being the worst weapon to use with it

is it vulcax? or vulkok

one of those two lol

[versed harbor]

I think vulcax was fortuna ye

lok was diriga

[fierce lark]

whichever one is diriga's is another innate elec which is actively harmful to use with manifold coil

[lean tendon]

Vulkok

[bold warren]

Oh bugger. So what the hell do I do?

[eternal prism]

I don't need it because I don't use it. But you'll probably be happy when I tell you that hate with a volt shield is stronger then nami

[fierce lark]

the hate nami solo debate still going on is wild

[bitter dust]

tazicor is one of three useful senitel weapons

[eternal prism]

yes

[opal leaf]

get burst rifle smth smth

[opal leaf]

What is the debate even about? Influence?

[versed harbor]

basically ye

[eternal prism]

yes

[lean tendon]

Nami Solo Incarnon clears

[eternal prism]

with volt shield looks hate better

[lean tendon]

GOAT pirate looking melee

[opal leaf]

.... Ehhh.....

Damn last time I heard about this influence debate is ceramic dagger and Nami solo and that was... A bit of 5 or 6 months ago? XDDD I really don't rememver

[eternal prism]

It's funny that it works for it

[fierce lark]

hate is better dps against one target

nami solo very quickly overtakes if your melee hits are catching multiple targets

nothing is competing with 100% FT

[opal leaf]

Does Nami has a prime?

[fierce lark]

no, nami skyla does but no incarnon

[opal leaf]

Maybe l get Nami Solo too

I have Hate but no Incarnon yet soooo ye

Nami solo might be a good partner with my hydroid

[eternal prism]

It's hard to see here, but at least it's funny.

[kind void]

ok so first run with the nami. without armor stripping its only hitting for about 2.2k per hit. the range is very nice but the dmg takes a second to kill things

now ill do the hate. same run same everything

no riven again to keep things fair

[opal leaf]

Woah Woah Woah woah

What's thay....

[eternal prism]

btw with combo with volt hate 100% better

[opal leaf]

BTW the fck are those buffs

[toxic cypress]

anyway i can improve this? gonna forma once more

[atomic moth]

2 dexterity, roar, shock, 2 galv mods, influence, arcane acceleration, incarnon form, 2 sentinel bonds, volt passive, molt augmented

[eternal prism]

arcanas...

[opal leaf]

....... Yeah nah, Hydroid... Give them Plunder and Koumei, Status nuke them bishes with Kubrow

[atomic moth]

Бро арканы в доте

[opal leaf]

XDDD I will not be able to GET THOSE buffs

[atomic moth]

I mean like, from all the list there's only 2 buffs

Other stuff is from weapon and Warframe builds

[opal leaf]

Ay nah you be speaking ancient language???!!!! (I... I know it's Russian.... I... Yeah...)

[eternal prism]

it was addressed to me
secret tech

[opal leaf]

NAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-cat-uncanny-cat-gif-17717270398074174657

[kind void]

ok so after testing both i ahve come to a conclusion

[atomic moth]

It's elf language

[opal leaf]

NAHHH WHAT FORM OF WITCHERY IS THIS!!!!

[kind void]

hate is hitting far harder but overall they seem very very well matched.

[eternal prism]

vazarin players

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-cat-uncanny-cat-gif-17717270398074174657

[atomic moth]

Influence moment

[toxic cypress]

changed it worse or better?

[kind void]

i can see why nami solo is so strong. but i still have to give it hate. am single hit is 1 shotting everything where the nami takes 2 or 3 hits. dont know how big a difference a riven will make since i dont have nor can afford a nami solo riven on the same level as my hate riven

[eternal prism]

or viral if u use strip node

[kind void]

in short this is pure range vs pure dmg

[atomic moth]

You just gapped by enemy density and the tile in most cases, which gives equal results for influence melees

[kind void]

nami has alot more range but ahte has so much more dmg that it doesnt matter

[toxic cypress]

i like nami over hate tbh

[kind void]

no lie if hate is number 1 then i put nami at number 2 easily. i can see why people like it

[toxic cypress]

tbf the rivs are biased

[kind void]

name keeps a more consistant kill rate due to range

[eternal prism]

try it now🐟

[toxic cypress]

im gonna make a pure cc hate build just cause i can

[atomic moth]

Nami has better mexian so

[kind void]

but hate has higher kill rate in spikes

[eternal prism]

warf abuser

[mighty flare]

did you fr get banned

[atomic moth]

I am

[kind void]

i see your riven and raise you my own monster

[mighty flare]

1984 server

[atomic moth]

Yep

[toxic cypress]

i have the grossest riv hold on

[atomic moth]

Imagine pwf looks like better place after this

[toxic cypress]

behold the kitgun riven

[kind void]

so outside of rivens i would say that nami would do better at lower levels where hate has to much dmg to proc influence and nami range performs better. but at higher levels nami falls off due to less dmg vs hate

[toxic cypress]

i need more cc

[kind void]

also during boss fights hate does way better and has augment for it specifically

[toxic cypress]

i know i can get more

but how?

[eternal prism]

fih

[atomic moth]

Fish react him

[opal leaf]

Fih

[eternal prism]

burning hate 150 plat☠️

[atomic moth]

Wts for 500p just for you

[toxic cypress]

i need more cc

[eternal prism]

volt will be without a toy

[opal leaf]

Yeah I'm quite worried with Hate tho without that

I want hate to be powerful without Burning Hate

Can it still be?

[eternal prism]

it can

[toxic cypress]

yea

[kind void]

you 100% dont need ut

[opal leaf]

Can Hate make you feel like a New player killing anyone with melee?

If you know what I mean

[atomic moth]

Augment is rly usable with volt

[kind void]

yah just use the build that i used

hate incarnon hits like a truck

dont need burning hate. you get level cap dmg without it

[eternal prism]

it can

with volt ofc

[kind void]

and with certsaain sentinal builds

[atomic moth]

Nah

[eternal prism]

I have already shown it without augment

[atomic moth]

You just drop the elementals out so you have heat and elec

[opal leaf]

I-is... Is that a must?

[bold warren]

Also the fact my Akmagnus is doing more damage than my Boltor is rather alarming @spare linden I’m NGL.

[kind void]

no

they dont use hate. i do

[bold warren]

Huh?

[eternal prism]

for augment yes...
It also increases attack speed, which is what hate lacks

[toxic cypress]

im scheming

[kind void]

heres my proof that i know hate. i doubt they ahve anything close to taht

[opal leaf]

Oo OK.... How did you do the Getsuga Temshou shit

[eternal prism]

more attack speed = more projectiles

[kind void]

incarnon passive

[opal leaf]

OK teach me... Bro... I'm soon getting a Hate Incarnon, as I am creating Hate rn

[toxic cypress]

Mr. Krabs

i have an idea

[eternal prism]

In any case, it seems volt shield increases damage of projctiles

[opal leaf]

But I can use it with.... Any frame and still do those stuff right?

[kind void]

yes

you dont need anything but the weapon

[opal leaf]

And attack speed right?

[kind void]

you can do better with other extra stuff but its not necesary

[spare linden]

Thats kinda normal, Boltor is a very early weapon, so later ones will be more powerful

[kind void]

attack speed is ok. not the best but enough that you wont have issues

[eternal prism]

yes but due to low attack speed hate, this may not be very convenient

[toxic cypress]

it could be better

[opal leaf]

..... Guess I have to BUY Volt Prime soon... But soon

[toxic cypress]

just realised wrathful advance ran out

[kind void]

here this is hate incarnon with no riven.

@opal leaf

no external buffs. level 180 steel path corrupted heavy gunners

[brittle sleet]

Unfortunately Hate is a bad weapon for the true endgame (fashion frame) because incarnon mode overwrites the jade light skin for it RIp

[toxic cypress]

2.9M!!!

[opal leaf]

Oooo aight let me see

[kind void]

i know... it makes me sad. i have the candy cane skin and i cant use it!

[toxic cypress]

what do the exclamation marks on red crits do again?

[kind void]

curse you rebecca!!!!!

[kind void]

tier 4 5 and 6 crits

[spare linden]

Redder crit

[kind void]

means you are over 300% crit chance

[opal leaf]

Videos don't work, idk why

[toxic cypress]

buffing myself even further i hit this

i need to go further beyond

[warm obsidian]

How much strength to max Nova's slow

[kind void]

you on phone?

[opal leaf]

Yeah, me poor

[kind void]

ah i see

i have no idea how to help you

[kind void]

but its fast. very very fast

[opal leaf]

Try forward it to my DMs

[kind void]

ok

[toxic cypress]

whats the weapon?

[opal leaf]

What frsme

[eternal prism]

hate

[opal leaf]

Hate

[toxic cypress]

interesting

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/shakeywobbles-cat-funny-crying-wobbly-gif-7691089864153619316

[shell tundra]

Does Amalgam Diffusion actually make Hildryn’s travel speed in her 4 when dodging much shorter or was I lied to?

[atomic moth]

No, it makes your roll faster end recover faster

It doesn't make roll range shorter

[eternal prism]

Now I'm wondering if I can kill cap demolisher from hate projectiles :/

[opal leaf]

Base on the damage....

Proba-possi-may-bily

[shell tundra]

Hmm,,, someone in the other server explained that it made the dodge animation, and thusly the distance traveled, shorter??? I tried it in a mission and it felt a little shorter or am I wrong here???

[atomic moth]

It was already done with a ack & brunt pre demo nerf

Now it's even easier

[eternal prism]

fine then

[craggy niche]

oh shit

prism guard is on nightwave i didn't realize that

[atomic moth]

It was an old case which got fixed years ago

[bold warren]

Is Status Chance needed on most guns?

Also still confused on what to do with Dirigia

[shell tundra]

•_• uhhhhhhh,,,,,, so I should slot it? Also, because I’m a glutton for punishment, how stupid am I for putting dexterity on my pistol so I can have more combo counter on my Scindo Prime?(most of my damage comes from Hildryn’s Balefire and the combo count timer still benefits from the arcane on my pistol)

[atomic moth]

You can outsource 2 dexterity arcanes to your archgun

[kind void]

does that work if you dont have the archgun launcher?

[atomic moth]

I'm not sure

If having the launcher unlocks heavy weapon slot then yes

[kind void]

doesnt look like it. dfoenst update in orbiter

yah it doesnt work

[atomic moth]

🥀

[shell tundra]

I mean, I also have a nightmare fuel riven on my Larkspur Prime and I like to use Enervate plus Frostbite(or is Blight w/ a Blast/Toxin setup better? 🤔)

[atomic moth]

Merciless enervate viral/corr heat

[dreamy radish]

guys whats the mod name, warframe aura reduces enemy armor

[atomic moth]

Corrosive projection

[shell tundra]

But what do if I have Primed Rubedo Lined Barrel?

[dreamy radish]

okay ty, do yk if its farmable or if its a nightwave only, and if so where do i get it :3

[eternal prism]

when terraria clarn

[atomic moth]

There is no much choice, of you have cold primer on sentinel you can use frostbite, blast toxin with blight is just terrible, the only choice left is merciless crux bulwark and overcharge

Crux is usable only on certain factions

Bulwark and overcharge are frame dependant

[shell tundra]

So how hard would I be kneecapping myself if I used both PRLB and Merciless?

I know that those two buffs are additive, and thusly plateau off after a certain point or smthn like that, non?

[craggy niche]

is prism guard good? i know prism can be a very powerful skill but capping it at 4s seems kinda harsh lol

[fickle bramble]

soo guys, i was just getting back into warframe after a couple months and i started thinking: i REALLY want a nukeframe, and i wanna make it sp viable. Any reccomendations/ what do you think the strongest nukeframe is?

[atomic moth]

It won't hurt since larkspur has terrible base DMG like ocucor

[craggy niche]

sevagoth prolly least investment

or gyre but i use nuke lightly in gyres sense

[atomic moth]

Why

[fickle bramble]

icic

ty!

[eternal prism]

why not

[atomic moth]

Why

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-meme-silly-cat-silly-weep-gif-16415733508326637886

[craggy niche]

i really like spin to win revnant lol. not exactly a nuke but he will completely decimate everything in a 100m radius lol

[atomic moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373116730322456648/1481425861616861275/attachment.gif

[fickle bramble]

although i am fine investing into it i just want a real strong nukeframe

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297398761550516337/1478146901386989851/Screenshot_2026-02-28-08-37-19-004_com.zhiliaoapp.musically-edit.gif

[fickle bramble]

oh peak i've seen that in action

[eternal prism]

What other weapons besides opticor work with volt shield broken?

[atomic moth]

Cyte + sobek
mirage/saryn + akarius prime
Gara
Hildryn

[atomic moth]

None, including opticor

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-cat-uncanny-cat-gif-17717270398074174657

[craggy niche]

hildryn is basically only a nuke because of enervate bug

like she's good without the bug but mehhh not something i'd call a nuke

[atomic moth]

It's basically not true

[craggy niche]

it is. noone played muscle mommy before the enervate bug now everyone up in that shit lol

[thorn oak]

mirage and acceltra more better

[eternal prism]

eneravate is bugged for all aoe weapons

[craggy niche]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ok-and-29

[hard dove]

acceltra in 2026 🥀

[craggy niche]

not all aoe weapons can scale out to 24m lmao

[hard dove]

use akarius at least dude

[atomic moth]

Enervate bug exists from adding the arcane slots to exalted, and it's the only arcane which fits in most of them

[thorn oak]

why would i need to scale out to 24m when i one shot any spam with the acceltra

[atomic moth]

There is nothing to do with enervate bug

[thorn oak]

have fun reloading guys

[craggy niche]

which is why hildryn is popular now, she abuses the enervate bug most effeciently

[icy urchin]

when abilities say they affect allies as well as yourself im assuming that always means companion too right?

[atomic moth]

Just play on host

[craggy niche]

it's not great on host lol. like i said it's good, but it's not nukeworthy

[atomic moth]

The only difference is, you tied to aegis balefire

Enervate bug allows to not even enter the 4

[fickle bramble]

tyty! and i've ALWAYS wanted to make a nuke saryn but i just couldn't make it work (although i was trying to do it in a way that didn't make it weapon dependant so i might just need to use the akarius

[hard dove]

cant really think of an example that says otherwise so yes

[eternal prism]

shouldnt saryn be on a chain?

[hard dove]

yeah saryn nuke is heavily weapon dependant

either use sobek or no nuke

[fickle bramble]

kk

[craggy niche]

guaranteee hildryn will fall off the face of the map when the bug gets fixed lol. saying hildryn's popularity isn't mostly do to the evervate bug is cope. i like hildryn before the bug, now she's way too overpowered because you don't get to choose whether or not you end up as the bug weilder lol. jade on the other hand will be fine when the bugs fixed and still pretty much just as powerful as she is now because you have to kinda force the bug out of her if you wanna use it

[fickle bramble]

there's a bug with hildryn?

[craggy niche]

with exalted weapons and enervate

[atomic moth]

@violet silo it's the type of ppl you mentioned?

[fickle bramble]

oh i c

[craggy niche]

when entering and exiting her 4 among some other characters the reset on enervate doesn't hit, so you can just keep stacking flat crit chance like that

[hard dove]

that was the bug? she is still very strong then bc i nvr exit her 4 once mission start

[craggy niche]

and it just kinda happens in play with hildryn because you are forced out of balefire fairly often if you ARE playing any genuinely high level content, so people max the range on her balefire, run aegis gale, abuse the 4 and crank the fire rate as high as possible than float there nuking entire maps lol

[random prawn]

Is there anything else I should change for my Mag Prime?

ik you don't need to build for duration

[atomic moth]

Ppl think, no red numbers = no reason to play, even if enemies die the same

[mighty flare]

if you're doing enervate bug you dont need aegis gale

[hard dove]

aura

she has build in brief respite

[mighty flare]

hildryn is totally fine dmg wise with/out the bug anyway

[random prawn]

I put brief respite because I want my whole team to survive

[eternal prism]

no red?🥺

[hard dove]

fair enough

[random prawn]

not just myself

[craggy niche]

yes but she's not a nuke

[random prawn]

...

[atomic moth]

Define nuke

[mighty flare]

nuke wth yellow numbers = no nuke
nuke with red numbers = nuke
ig

[random prawn]

Still got any meat left?

[mighty flare]

plenty

[atomic moth]

How does this ppl call influence a nuke, if it's just white numbers

[eternal prism]

for akarius outburst or enervate
I tried both but didnt feel a significant difference in damage

[atomic moth]

🗣️

[mighty flare]

mysteries of the world

[hard dove]

akimbo slip shot or flare

trust

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373116730322456648/1481425861616861275/attachment.gif

[craggy niche]

so it should be fine to fix the enervate bug than by ya'lls books 😉

[random prawn]

IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT

[craggy niche]

can't wait for that to happen tbh enervate abusing hildryns are annoying as fuuhhhh to get matched with

[atomic moth]

Please leave the flare in 2021

[random prawn]

what is the enervate glitch?

[eternal prism]

today 2019

[violet silo]

hm

[craggy niche]

allows you to constantly red crit with glory or balefire

[hard dove]

what else am i going to use for things like furis? merciless?

[random prawn]

oh, so that's why they call her a "mommy"

[eternal prism]

outburst

[hard dove]

i dont like outburst

[eternal prism]

enervate

[atomic moth]

Enervate, outburst, fortifier, there is no other arcanes

[craggy niche]

i think it's in reference to dommy mommy or muscle mommy

[mighty flare]

https://giphy.com/gifs/apple-macintosh-v0ok8uhZvw3yE

[craggy niche]

zoomerspeak

[mighty flare]

you will slot enervate, outburst, or fortifier only!!

[atomic moth]

Yes!

[violet silo]

but yeah this is the cope
are you genuinely saying hildryn wont be fine without enervate being bugged

[random prawn]

Why is everyone here like this?

MUSCLE MOMMY, HUMBLE THEM

[eternal prism]

muscle grendel

[mighty flare]

at least its not like the pregnant guy

[random prawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/851234086198706257/1360028037462102086/IMG_4045.gif

[mighty flare]

oh

[craggy niche]

because most people that play warframe are edgelord weebs i think

[random prawn]

the gassy frame?

[mighty flare]

i cannot speak further i fear

[random prawn]

I thought she was called the gassy frame because of the greenness

[violet silo]

shes not good because of a bug, she's good because she's a nuke frame that has infinite survivability and is completely unaffected by ridiculous modifiers

[craggy niche]

literally said the opposite of this multiple times you troglodyte

[random prawn]

How long have I been gone?

[mighty flare]

chuds bypass eta with hildryn
chads use necramechs

[craggy niche]

SHE'S OVERPOWERED BECAUSE OF A BUG IN CURRENT STATE QUIT CHERRYPICKING

[mighty flare]

:clueless:

[random prawn]

Why does grendel sound like he's crying and farting while using the noruish

DE???

[mighty flare]

why does ur grendel look like he lost a couple pounds wtf
the power of poses ig

[violet silo]

SHES OVERPOWERED BECAUSE SHES BEEN GETTING BUFFS FOR THE PAST 7 UPDATES

[atomic moth]

Intended

[mighty flare]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-incredible-uncanny-gassy-gas-this-page-needs-a-hero-gif-15134328584969287517

[craggy niche]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-cope

[random prawn]

NO, NO, NO, NO

[violet silo]

SHES GONNA BE JUST AS GOOD AT SOLOING ETA WITHOUT RED CRITS

[hard dove]

i wish i was smart enough to make fashion like this, this was someone else grendel

[random prawn]

See, cats are the orokin and this proves my point.

[atomic moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150797852029767781/1466826910670786777/meme.gif

[random prawn]

What am I looking at?

[craggy niche]

than do it with, and without, and report back to us with sauce

[mighty flare]

mesa and broken in the same picture 🥀

[violet silo]

hell she doesnt even get the red crits if shes actually soloing... like in a solo lobby

[random prawn]

Everyone here is melting my brain

[eternal prism]

all broken

broken broken broken

[mighty flare]

https://tenor.com/view/eto-bleh-gif-14618428694469046242

[random prawn]

I can't take this anymore

[jaunty umbra]

I need help

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/taiho-shichau-zo-teehee-anime-youre-under-arrest-ova-gif-21342147

[mighty flare]

how did you size mog me

[random prawn]

Back to the Jade Light you go

[hard dove]

if everyone is broken then noone will be

[craggy niche]

bros got that clickbait youtube trash hooked straight up by IV

[mighty flare]

https://tenor.com/view/taiho-shichau-zo-teehee-anime-youre-under-arrest-ova-gif-21342147

huh

[eternal prism]

cuz im grendel

[random prawn]

The OG gassy frame?

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373116730322456648/1481425861616861275/attachment.gif

[random prawn]

That is actually the devil of Tau

Nice try.

[mighty flare]

https://klipy.com/gifs/small-cat-angry-cat-1

[violet silo]

I can confirm she can solo eta without struggling

best frame for it too

[eternal prism]

try broken banshee now

[random prawn]

They did it with my poor Vauban, don't do it with banshee

BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN

[violet silo]

if you're solo, you don't get the enervate bug, and yet...

[mighty flare]

quick tip, just change damage numbers to red so everything is red critting

[craggy niche]

also waiting to see these crazy buffs they've been giving her considering they haven't even touched her in over a year

[eternal prism]

fr?

Why didnt you say this before?

[atomic moth]

I don't want to mention the forbidden words but, host hildryn is good even on level cap

[craggy niche]

guys the LAST NINE PATCHES have been all for hildryn according to m'lady Mellpomme

[violet silo]

side by side, nataruk is the best weapon and a suspicious little infested gun is the best weapon

[mighty flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1455742819674361935/1455752464178348156/abebed4a7204454f5594e23a4fcdee6c.gif

[violet silo]

update 41 released arcane circumvent

[mighty flare]

qorvex's red crit beam fr fr

[eternal prism]

wtf

[violet silo]

shit not circumvent

expertise, was it?

[charred gale]

holy qorvex is so broken

[atomic moth]

They were undirect vro

[craggy niche]

oh wait 7 my bad

[atomic moth]

It was obvious what he meant

[craggy niche]

only one that really jumps out at me is being able to equip enervate (and it's bug)

[mighty flare]

frightening concept of indirect buffs

[mighty flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1455742819674361935/1455752463775956993/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_2.gif

[graceful plank]

How

[violet silo]

its exaggeration. obviously they didn't buff her 7 times in a row. I mean that they constantly release heavy buffs for a frame that wasnt bad by any means and now she's amazing. shocking.

[graceful plank]

How's this for a beginner SP build?

[random prawn]

"STOP SENDING THOSE, TENNO MAGGOT"

[eternal prism]

new influence tech

[craggy niche]

nah bro it's literally just enervate (and it's crappy bug)

[random prawn]

uh

[atomic moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1161627336509227059/1366015723763400757/image-59.gif

[random prawn]

what is this?

[eternal prism]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

[craggy niche]

i also want to highlight i never said she wasn't good without the bug, that's just melpomme making shit up

[mighty flare]

am i tripping
why does turkey hay hek have 2 big naturals

[eternal prism]

chicken

[craggy niche]

russian turkey

[eternal prism]

sry

[random prawn]

It's for grineer milk

How do you think they got so big and strong?

[violet silo]

you said "on the other hand jade will be fine"
if I said something was overpowered due to a bug and then proceeded to say something else, alternatively, would be okay without the bug, im saying that this thing is good because of the bug and without it it wouldn't be fine

[craggy niche]

you kinda reachin bro ngl

🤷

[violet silo]

am I being ragebaited

[craggy niche]

comeing up on flailing real quick

[violet silo]

scrolling up
yeah im probably being ragebaited, might be best to stop engaging

[atomic moth]

Quoting "she is not nukeworthy", so let us repeat the question
No red numbers full screen clear = not nuke
Red numbers full screen clear = nuke

[craggy niche]

none of this is a question bro

[atomic moth]

Is this the logic

You following

[violet silo]

that goes for you too clarn, its a waste of your time to deal with people who act like this, whether or not they're being genuine

[craggy niche]

nope, you making shit up too man

[atomic moth]

Whar

😭

[craggy niche]

the thing i'm sick of is people maxxing out her fire rate, mashing her 4 18 times and literally spinning around in a circle nuking every enemy on objective based maps with redcritted slop builds that rely on bugs

man i swear ya'll just live to argue

[atomic moth]

What did I made up

[craggy niche]

that was in reply to another question bro this is just sad at this point

i've already stated my point if youonn like it than frig off

[atomic moth]

Ok I'm done too

[craggy niche]

good

https://klipy.com/gifs/cope-mald-2

[atomic moth]

https://klipy.com/gifs/small-cat-angry-cat-1

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373116730322456648/1481425861616861275/attachment.gif

[atomic moth]

https://tenor.com/view/petting-aligator-crocodile-gif-25954785

[craggy niche]

i'm just gonna say it, cat's are just as disgusting as rats imo. they shit in a box and move it around and you willingly let them jump on your counter

[eternal prism]

Now you have to answer my question in another chat😨

[craggy niche]

then they spread toxoplasmosis to you and your family

[atomic moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006853951175524406/1308346433056800778/whythink-1.gif

[craggy niche]

🤮

[atomic moth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-annoying-stop-please-gif-9350910756886809113

[eternal prism]

a lot cat gifs

[craggy niche]

that's cuz alot of people have toxoplasmosis

[eternal prism]

no clarn cute

[mighty flare]

https://tenor.com/view/otter-otter-aty-petting-squish-gif-26523506

[craggy niche]

it's a parasite that makes them more appealing to you. even deadens your senses on just how foul their presence smells

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162254708858167407/1368265067942121694/41154030c1f7dc46.gif

[mighty flare]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-1880

[craggy niche]

the best part about this whole gif is the presence of bussin' prime in the lil half sliver

[eternal prism]

outburst or enervate for 10~20 cc

[craggy niche]

the naturak of early late game 🙏

[void cargo]

What’s a goood level cap Warframe

[craggy niche]

xaku and rev scale quite nicely.

idk that's a really wide banded question, like good for what?

[eternal prism]

revenant + torid

[novel bear]

Rev🥀

[craggy niche]

spin to win is genuinely the most laughs i've had from a video game in a long time lol

[novel bear]

People don’t play spin to win at level cap typically

[craggy niche]

idk why it basically instakills everything after level 500 lmao

[novel bear]

They use rev for cheap 20 second invulnerability

[craggy niche]

it's like prism if prism didn't suck ass

[eternal prism]

rev it not revenant?🥀

[craggy niche]

the only build i've played that feels genuinely awful until you feed it more high level content. i dig it hard tbh

[near vortex]

Garuda

[novel bear]

With the typical revenant build I’d much rather play an actually good weapon platform

[near vortex]

lots of Zaw platforms

[eternal prism]

garuda platform for akarius

😎

[novel bear]

Zephyr platform for slamming your face into the ground really hard

[eternal prism]

it should be yareli

[near vortex]

Zephyr Morgha is a thing

Unironically

[eternal prism]

she has big argument

[craggy niche]

my build is kinda atypical but i have fun on it lol

[charred gale]

qorvex

[novel bear]

Well yes, zephyr is a very good weapon platform with her tornadoes

[charred gale]

so op

[novel bear]

But I prefer face slamming into ground build

[eternal prism]

equilibrium
energize
expertise
u miss nourish and nexus

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162254708858167407/1368265067942121694/41154030c1f7dc46.gif

[near vortex]

Morgha specifically is really funny

Alt fire into alt fire

[novel bear]

Same as trumna?

[craggy niche]

you need effeciency and durrr to get the channeled cost of the 4 down

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162254708858167407/1368265067942121694/41154030c1f7dc46.gif

[novel bear]

Nexus doesn’t work during channeled abilities

[charred gale]

energy god

[craggy niche]

i don't have nexus

[novel bear]

Get nexus

[craggy niche]

no i don't have it on my rev lol

[novel bear]

It’s not even that good, but get it

[charred gale]

https://tenor.com/view/flightreacts-reaction-flight-reacts-flight-reacts-flightreacts-gif-14526489174047821058

[eternal prism]

This does not cancel out the absurdity of the amount of energy

[novel bear]

Pretty sure that’s exactly how it works

[near vortex]

Yeah

[novel bear]

Energy goes to zero

[near vortex]

except Morgha is much more satisfying

[novel bear]

I’ll try it, my morgha is still unbuilt though

[craggy niche]

this is the sauce behind spin to win rev

[near vortex]

Build it
It's really funny

[eternal prism]

and also when he reduces the duration of a channeled ability by 60%, it's literally the same as taking away 60 eff

[craggy niche]

98 percent strip just by existing lol

[near vortex]

Primed Combustion Rounds tomorrow maybe too

[eternal prism]

wasting a mod for nothing

[craggy niche]

no it's not lol

you were literally proven wrong on this the other day yet you keep yapping lol

[eternal prism]

dur = eff for channeled