builds-discussion

[craggy niche]

my bad lol i did that thing everyone hates

[nocturne thicket]

Moas are good??

[untold moss]

does the gas status effect deal other status effects? Let's say I have a weapon with gas and cold. Does the gas cloud left behind by the gas status effect also deal cold?

[fierce lark]

no

[untold moss]

alr thanks

[opal leaf]

If you want that kind of effect, there is a gun that does that. Corrosive Cold in Torid incarnoff (with the Incarnon adaptor but not in the Incarnon form)

Packs a punch and kills them

[novel bear]

You can make gas inflict gas status effect with ruvox

[opal sparrow]

is this akarius build any good i tried looking around and do something decent

[fierce lark]

anemic agility/lethal torrent instead of pathogen

you can put primed fulm over hornet if you have it, hornet's dmg is relatively minor once flare is stacked

if you don't have external viral you should prob do viral+elec and merciless/fortifier instead of flare

[craggy niche]

okay there she blows

literally perfect forma count if i never change anything lol

with one point of room for whenever i can afford to upgrade apt

[eternal prism]

u can use enervate

cuz enervate bugged and stacks don't reset if you don't hit with a direct hit

In some sense, it is possible to achieve red crits, but only for aoe on an almost constant basis

[arctic heath]

Is the Gladiator set good on Valkyr?

[eternal prism]

1 mod with cd

[fierce lark]

the set effect is ok, but most of the mods are pretty weak, and even then equipping 4/6 has the same effect as blood rush

gladiator might is a 'maybe' on the talons, that's about it

[warm obsidian]

Thoughts

[eternal prism]

Str should be atleast 100

[mighty flare]

not necessary

[eternal prism]

It's better not to let it down
In any case, usually nothing is lost for this

Btw in farm build it 100% necessarily

Because when you hit the dome, you don't get stacks from the augment on the whip

[fierce lark]

whipclaw aoe can still hit things in the dome

[eternal prism]

Yes but it not give stacks

Whipclaw itself must hit the enemies to get a bonus: hitting them through Strangledome's range extension alone does not count.

Even so, having an extra 60% multiplier to base damage from mods is never a bad thing

[warm obsidian]

Planning on putting Archon Continuity and maybe Melee Vortex

[nocturne thicket]

Guys can someone PLEASEEEE make the dublex bond+diversified denial build

But make it work

PLEASE, I yearn for the robo doggy pack

[velvet pulsar]

Summoner's Wrath + Theorem Infection

And thermal transfer

[nocturne thicket]

Not roar?

[velvet pulsar]

Ehh
Additive to Summoner's Wrath

[eternal prism]

Sumonner wrath=roar

[velvet pulsar]

You can try total eclipse if u really want raw dmg increase

[nocturne thicket]

I’m pretty sure it’s multiplicative, summoners wrath is multiplicative, least that’s what nosympathyCA video said an he was literally pulling out the code so I trust him

[true isle]

Can someone tell me how to give gyre more survivability

[eternal prism]

Sumonner wrath additive with roar

Both work like bane mods

[velvet pulsar]

These two multiplicative things are additive to each other but multiplicative to base damage bonuses

[eternal prism]

Vazarin

[velvet pulsar]

People do watch YouTube but those don't go as detailed as wiki.

[eternal prism]

Pillage with negative dur

Not a lot neg but some neg

But vazarin will solve all your problems

[novel bear]

Why is summoner’s wrath faction damage?

[velvet pulsar]

Just use circumvent

[novel bear]

Why would they do that

[eternal prism]

Because they want it

[velvet pulsar]

Summon damage coding likely was meant to be a new multiplier but it applied to all damage instances of companions and summons rather than a base damage bonus.

[novel bear]

Does summoner’s wrath affect atlas’ rumbled augment

[eternal prism]

It seems to have a general effect on everything that is summoned

[velvet pulsar]

...but because DE loves to reuse code, they likely made it similar to faction bonuses.

[eternal prism]

Maybe spectrs too, but I don't remember

[novel bear]

It affects atlas’ rumblers, I’m wondering if it works on the augment that turns atlas into a rumbler by transitive property

[velvet pulsar]

Only ability specters like Wuklone or Equinox augment

[novel bear]

I don’t have the augment so I can’t check, but it would be extremely funny if it did

[eternal prism]

So you just confused it with the eclipse

Im*

Miss😨

[velvet pulsar]

Highly unlikely, but maybe if it counts as a separate unit, then maybe (haven't tested yareli either but I doubt that someone would've found it out by now if that was possible?)

[novel bear]

Next time the augment comes in nightwave I’ll check

[velvet pulsar]

Meanwhile I'll test Yareli today

Who knows she might have access to an easy 75% roar just like that.

[eternal prism]

It should work for yareli merulina also

I read about this somewhere

[velvet pulsar]

*Loyal Merulina, yes

The augment has been confirmed

But I say yareli herself might get the bonus on her own pistol if she is riding merulina.

[eternal prism]

I don't think this is realistic
Because yareli can still die on merulin and it's considered a frame

[velvet pulsar]

Those are hardcoded preventatives

Remember, Merulina is the buggiest ability in the game

[eternal prism]

If she couldn't die, I think it would be at least like with operator...

[eternal prism]

Secret merulina slam

[novel bear]

Full squad of yareli’s running summoner’s wrath

[eternal prism]

This aura can still stack infinitely. Do we really need that much damage?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191157234261033150/1402045900876156948/togif.gif

[velvet pulsar]

What I'm trying to say is, most oddities might've been discovered by DE during playtest, and instead of solving it from the source, they simply brute-forced the unintended effects they saw, just as usual.

[nocturne thicket]

Yes

[velvet pulsar]

What they didn't see...
...still exists.

[nocturne thicket]

The more brain dead it is the better

[velvet pulsar]

[eternal prism]

Why do you need a 3k% roar?

And more😨

[craggy niche]

spin to win revnant done lol

[velvet pulsar]

Too bad it isn't affected by Coaction Drift

[supple pewter]

You can never have too much damage

[eternal prism]

I can

[nocturne thicket]

Yea I just found how u can get 2k roar w just two ppl

[eternal prism]

In any case, this aura is broken and no one is fixing it

Secret verglas tech

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191157234261033150/1402045900876156948/togif.gif

[nocturne thicket]

Verglas+moa+summoners wrath+citrine shenanigans= babau nuke

[velvet pulsar]

And duplex bond too

Their own verglas will also double dip summoner's wrath

[nocturne thicket]

Didn’t wanna make the text too long lol

[eternal prism]

Random grennade>comp

[velvet pulsar]

https://youtu.be/MtRE1FuurZU?si=v3Uh3H84ae3sqPRb

[nocturne thicket]

God ive never had an original thought in my life

[velvet pulsar]

[nocturne thicket]

Least babau went bye bye

Here I am thinking I’m original by making Moas niche nuke lol

[velvet pulsar]

I decided to make this video when a YouTuber said "verglas cannot work with Prismatic Companion because sentinels can't use it"

And I'm like "Did you forget about Moas?"

[nocturne thicket]

lol nice views tho is tha ur channel?

I’ll throw u a sub brochacho

[eternal prism]

Now make vazarin propaganda on your channel

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1359267439564685489/1441237521408200767/image.gif

[velvet pulsar]

BTW u can improve it further:
https://youtu.be/ax_ce7Qcwtw?si=0TjnM5J4vP7eTH3P

[velvet pulsar]

I'm firstly working on Well of Life propaganda.

Vazarin propaganda is still building up more.

[eternal prism]

Operator-scroll-frame=revenant

☠️

[keen sonnet]

I'm trying to build an arcane persistence/Arcane blessing setup for melee Saryn and have been running gloom. It works alright with the dual Ichor Incarnon with Influence but I find my range/strength kinda stops enemies from running into the toxic lashed clouds that ichor makes. I was wondering if possibly lycaths hunt would be a better alternative to use so I'm not slowing down the enemies and they get to me faster/chain proc toxic lash clouds from the ichor. Any thoughts?

[nocturne thicket]

https://youtu.be/T2Wjyu22xuU?si=YhO_frl6EqMlNthi
Imo hound better on voruna for companion (since we’re showing our videos😓😓)

[velvet pulsar]

Yes

I was thinking voruna subsume before even finishing half of that reading.

[eternal prism]

Are you sure it's worth making saryn platform for melee

[novel bear]

Just run less range

[eternal prism]

U can ouburst everyone with ogris😨

[novel bear]

Saryn doesn’t need range for weapon platform

[velvet pulsar]

Hound is a different companion BTW

[eternal prism]

Only for duo speedruns some🥺

Otherwise the radius is too small

[velvet pulsar]

But yeah her 2nd ability augment is a replica of Mecha set.

[novel bear]

Doesn’t need the augment for that, that’s just more range and damage

[keen sonnet]

I was primarily running range for the gloom life steal/spores it's honestly super braindead in steel path but I wanted a better KPM and gloom is kinda hindering that

[nocturne thicket]

Imo her 2nd works better w hound than mecha set but yea ur right def a different comparison

[novel bear]

Gloom is usually run with low range for precisely this reason
And also energy econ

[quiet laurel]

Gloom lifesteal is unconditional btw

[velvet pulsar]

BTW, voruna subsume will stack arcane blessing faster

[keen sonnet]

Also to answer the previous question, I got tired of gun Saryn and wanted to just slice n dice.

[novel bear]

As long as you’re in gloom’s radius, lifesteal works no matter where the enemy is

As long as the enemy is in gloom’s radius lifesteal works no matter where you are

[velvet pulsar]

Enemy doesn't need to be in gloom radius IIRC

You can easily test this in open world via a long distance gun

Lifesteal will still happen

[novel bear]

Yes, that’s my first statement

[keen sonnet]

for reference

[velvet pulsar]

Sorry I was too focused on this

[novel bear]

There’s two parties involved in the lifesteal, you and the enemy
Only one of them needs to be in gloom

[keen sonnet]

I kept molt for the cleanse

[velvet pulsar]

This is very similar to Prismatic Gem

Another 2 party system

[novel bear]

Yep

[novel bear]

Switching overextended for narrow minded would be good if you don’t mind the extra forma

[keen sonnet]

Ignore physique I was just messing with my HP a bit

[velvet pulsar]

BTW doesn't really need propaganda.

That and Zenurik are the most used ones now that we have tauron modding

[nocturne thicket]

Yea time to shield gate w saryn👾

[novel bear]

Vazarin for survivability isn’t that common

[main parrot]

First time this happened when building braton prime

[keen sonnet]

Nah I hate shield gate on melee builds I want to turn my brain off

[velvet pulsar]

Protective Sling might be inconvenient to spam but Guardian Shell?

[eternal prism]

vazarin is usually used only by those who go to lvlcap

[eternal prism]

It's convenient

[velvet pulsar]

ExA, netracells, arbi:

[novel bear]

Using vazarin instead of any survivability on the frame is pretty rare

[keen sonnet]

I don't mind, if anything I'll just Omni that slot

[eternal prism]

I see zenurik more often

Honestly, I don't remember anyone with vazarin there

Maybe arbi because I don't go there

[novel bear]

I used to use vazarin for exa, but I stopped

[eternal prism]

I don't remember seeing it at all in other modes

[novel bear]

I like zenurik’s energy too much, especially with exa’s modifiers

[velvet pulsar]

Then I guess I'm going to take opposite path from the world.

I'm going to occasionally switch to Zenurik just to make use of the sectral pages damage and to announce an odd survivability via Astral Bond.

[novel bear]

Vazarin is used in arbi for defense targets

[quiet laurel]

Vaz is used on arbis

[velvet pulsar]

Basically your hound will consistently apply void bubbles on everyone without switching to operator and so enemy bullets won't hit u.

[eternal prism]

Well, everyone has different tastes. But the problem is that people think sg is more convenient for survival than vazarin, and either don't use it or say vazarin is the wrong solution.

[novel bear]

Sg is more convenient

[eternal prism]

I won't argue with that. I generally don't go there

[quiet laurel]

Constantly void slinging is very annoying to me

[eternal prism]

Press the ability every 1.3 seconds or every 6

[nocturne thicket]

Zenurik mains🗿 (since even before the tektolyst)

[quiet laurel]

Just casting an ability is objectively less to do

[velvet pulsar]

U got ur answer

[quiet laurel]

It depends

If you shield gate well you dont need to do it that often

[novel bear]

Don’t have to switch to operator either

[eternal prism]

Well, I also used to think that it was inconvenient until I just got used to using scroll

[quiet laurel]

Controller moment

[eternal prism]

Mega skip

[quiet laurel]

Only time I play mnk is when I cyte in arbis cause its so aim intensive

[velvet pulsar]

Since we're talking about survivability, support this idea for ability nukers & health tanks:

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1496348-if-you-are-reworking-limbo-banish-subsume-feedback/

[near vortex]

imagine if rift haven was good

[keen sonnet]

Btw thank you all for the suggestions. I'll try low range Saryn and see how that plays out with the dual ichor. Otherwise I'm better off using any other melee

[velvet pulsar]

Better healing than Blood Altar

[near vortex]

yeah but it feels really bad to use

since you have to actually cast Banish on someone

Instead of them just being Rifted to get it

[novel bear]

Low bar

[keen sonnet]

Although - I am still interested in voruna subsume on her just to try

[velvet pulsar]

It is.

[eternal prism]

Limbo for trolling teamates

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-cat-uncanny-cat-gif-17717270398074174657

[near vortex]

Need some spice in your life that isn't rev Torid brother

[velvet pulsar]

Or wukong Magistar

[eternal prism]

Wukong torid pure corr

[novel bear]

Or hildryn

[velvet pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[near vortex]

Hildryn nukes cross rift

She gives no shits

[eternal prism]

Delete hildryn

[keen sonnet]

Mmmm, health orbs go brr

[velvet pulsar]

The hildryn comment wasn't about rift

[novel bear]

Hildryn deletes you first

[eternal prism]

Saryn do it first of all

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-cat-uncanny-cat-gif-17717270398074174657

[near vortex]

Sobek acid shells goes cross rift
Really nice pairing for Limbo actually

[velvet pulsar]

It also doesn't break huras/shade invisibility

[eternal prism]

Saryn og ogris = mega killer of everything that moves

[near vortex]

I think napalm is also cross rift

[velvet pulsar]

Which means u can subsume over cyte's evade and still be invisible

[near vortex]

Not 100% on that one though

[velvet pulsar]

Weirdly, sampotes shockwaves are cross rift but only one-way

[keen sonnet]

Wait...would ichors clouds proc voruna subsume 👀

[velvet pulsar]

It can go from outside rift to inside rift

[velvet pulsar]

Exactly

[near vortex]

Tenet exec too

[velvet pulsar]

Haven't tested

[keen sonnet]

oh baby we cooking

[velvet pulsar]

This whole time I've been telling u to use voruna subsume

Screw gloom

[near vortex]

There's actually a lot of stuff that goes cross rift
People just don't use those weapons in favor of their lord and savior Torid Magistar slop every mission

[velvet pulsar]

Influence

Goes cross rift but requires one enemy inside

Another reason why Well of Life is a good subsume on him.

[near vortex]

Yeah well of Life is aight

If you wanna use a subsume though, you have a VERY funny option

[velvet pulsar]

It surprisingly has a lot of synergies with him

[velvet pulsar]

Smite?

[keen sonnet]

I haven't even installed my Incarnon adapter on my torid fam, I wanna play other weapons fr 😩

[near vortex]

Actually several options with a subsume

[near vortex]

Pyrotechnics

There's also Xatas which isn't blacklisted despite Rift Torrent

[velvet pulsar]

I have 6 configs of limbo IIRC, or atleast more than 3

[near vortex]

There's also Null Stars which works but is weaker than Pyro

[velvet pulsar]

Tried

[near vortex]

Smite is okay but like
Not needed

Damage subsumes go crazy because normally that isn't allowed with universal damage buffs

[velvet pulsar]

I'd not prefer to use pyro over smite in public lobbies

[near vortex]

In pubs I'm non helminth

Need banish hold cast to make sure I don't accidentally grief

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah meanwhile Well of Life & Smite setups can be used universally

[near vortex]

Can subsume over 4 but that's also taking away ally control

[velvet pulsar]

WoL is straight up peak defense because the death gate also applies to non-living allies like excavators.

[craggy niche]

lol spin to win rev is mildly hilarious

[velvet pulsar]

Pair it with spin-to-win hammer stance.

[eternal prism]

Magistar influence when

[craggy niche]

what's that?

[velvet pulsar]

Lavos

[near vortex]

put the Zawfluence in the bag bro

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-cat-uncanny-cat-gif-17717270398074174657

[velvet pulsar]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Crushing_Ruin

[eternal prism]

Lavos is almost a cyte for akarius...

[near vortex]

Magistar hardly even has the SC for influence and it already nukes the area Influence would have covered

[velvet pulsar]

Forward Block combo

[opal leaf]

Who's ability is WoL

And should I get WoL instead of Omamori? (I already have Omamori but like....)

[velvet pulsar]

Trinity's

[craggy niche]

oh lmao. either that or war

[eternal prism]

U dont know secret magistar tech

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191157234261033150/1402045900876156948/togif.gif

[velvet pulsar]

Your max range increases to 40m

[craggy niche]

i hikey think this guy is too good for base steel path lol

[velvet pulsar]

Because enemies on the 20m end will also proc influence

[eternal prism]

For 100% status proc influence good

Even weapon have 0 status chance

[opal leaf]

Should I use WoL instead of Omamori?

[velvet pulsar]

Depends on the build

[opal leaf]

Like for general lazy survivability

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1359267439564685489/1441237521408200767/image.gif

[velvet pulsar]

Like if it's a health tank then yes.

Definitely yes.

[opal leaf]

Oh ok

Now that you mention that it's like this

WoL for health tankers

Omamori for...... Shield tankers?????

[near vortex]

Or you could like
Slam again

[craggy niche]

wol is goated on ivara

with concentrated arrow

[mighty flare]

if only de didnt hate ivara

[velvet pulsar]

Shield tankers can use well too if your build wants occasional death gate after every 120s

[opal leaf]

120s????? Damn that's.... Long

Unless it's like... Inside those 120s

[velvet pulsar]

Pair that with Marytr Symbiosis

[craggy niche]

there's nothing really wrong with her, her motions a lil wonky and they need to fix the spectral bug with her but she's good for some stuff

[velvet pulsar]

Instead of 120s, u get death gates more frequently

[velvet pulsar]

Navigator:

[eternal prism]

Secret light influence magistar

[mighty flare]

are you being genuine

[craggy niche]

yeah that's her built in subsume slot

[opal leaf]

I guess... I'll just use Omamori

[velvet pulsar]

Navigator has a ton of constraints

[near vortex]

A frame with a built in subsume slot is NOT a good thing

[novel bear]

She’s good for conservation

And fishing, and mining

And kavat genetic codes

[near vortex]

ah yes, we should let this one ability be bad because Helminth exists

[velvet pulsar]

Compare the points of those 2 subsumes:

Omamori is used when you already have some partial survivability which is inconsistent.

So u add it to have more layers of survivability

[novel bear]

Navigator can be good with the right weapon, but they nerfed the augment for some bizarre reason

[craggy niche]

to be fair you're lucky if most frames have 2 good slots

[velvet pulsar]

Meanwhile Well of Life is giving u status immunity, indirect energy regeneration, death gate, and healing

[severe bough]

Only knowrs know navigator ivara

[mighty flare]

its come to the point where even loki, equinox, hell even titania are better

[opal leaf]

Hmmmmmm mm like Vauban's CC and Bastille Armor steal

Or I'm understanding it wrong

[opal leaf]

Like Uriel 2?

[velvet pulsar]

Very different

[velvet pulsar]

This much just for 25 energy cost

And the augment fully refunds that energy, can even restore more if using equilibrium

[opal leaf]

Oh damn it's more powerful, good energy replenish and survivability

Might Try that on Vaubs

[velvet pulsar]

Navigator augment was both nerf & buff

[eternal prism]

I still want to use the skill more usefully than this

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-cat-uncanny-cat-gif-17717270398074174657

[novel bear]

More nerf than buff

[velvet pulsar]

That's true

[mighty flare]

mostly nerf

actually

just nerf

[eternal prism]

When range shards

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191157234261033150/1402045900876156948/togif.gif

[velvet pulsar]

Impossible

[novel bear]

It was a buff for none of the weapons you would use navigator on

[velvet pulsar]

Maybe a primed stretch

[eternal prism]

I want range shards😭

[velvet pulsar]

Weapon Damage Class ability shenanigans, but no weapons

[mighty flare]

no proper compensation to nerf (base cc + nav) to (nav + cc mods)

[novel bear]

They’re never giving more range

[velvet pulsar]

This is the 2nd time they unnecessarily made change to Ivara's augment which no one asked for

[mighty flare]

co arrow changes

[novel bear]

They changed it because there was a bug

[mighty flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150797852029767781/1483379226093817927/meme.gif

[keen sonnet]

This is honestly the most I've ever seen ivara mentioned in my like 10 years of playing

[velvet pulsar]

...and then pretended that they're giving something good in return

[mighty flare]

hate

[craggy niche]

ivara's concentrated arrow still v strong with the right build

[novel bear]

They just never playtest ivara I think

[craggy niche]

20m nuke

[velvet pulsar]

Several times they've lacked the guts to straight up say it on the face of players that they're nerfing something

[novel bear]

So is every melee

[craggy niche]

so?

by that logic every nuke is bad and you should just influence lol

[velvet pulsar]

Influence is non-LoS

[mighty flare]

influence doesnt even have a los check 😭

[keen sonnet]

20 mil doesnt seem that impressive anymore when like a Nokko standing still can casually dish that out

[velvet pulsar]

Beated

[mighty flare]

but god forbid co arrow has it too

[velvet pulsar]

We're not talking about mil.
We're talking about m.

[near vortex]

20 mil is so impressive until you remember it overkills everything like crazy unless you're going long

you can do damage cap to one guy, but if the guy has like 75k health you really just did 75k

[velvet pulsar]

20 millilitre

[mighty flare]

20meters ≠ 20million damage

[near vortex]

"Why not both?"
-hildryn

[mighty flare]

no one was talking about damage

[velvet pulsar]

Children Prime

[keen sonnet]

Totally misread that, carry on

[velvet pulsar]

[velvet pulsar]

Yes u misread this

[craggy niche]

one thing that will never drive me not nuts is pubbies tendency to dip after one round in a omnia lmao

[eternal prism]

Go sleep

[velvet pulsar]

Go drive. Then brush.

[eternal prism]

Sleep is more important

[velvet pulsar]

Never said u can't do those while asleep...

[craggy niche]

I GOT the whole ass day off tomorrow with no motorcycle

sleep is on the agenda

[normal folio]

Is this good enough or no

[toxic pier]

Thoughts on this xaku build?

Is this good for survivability

[orchid bane]

is the hema good on oraxia coda variant and share the hema build to handle sp and long endurance missions

[craggy niche]

i don't know why you'd replace a good strip with a bad strip (ophie eyes at 155 str is utterly useless and xaku's 3 is actually pretty good for being included with his kit), xaku doesn't really need cata shields but if you wanna go that route by all means, archon stretch has no way of proccing on xaku therefore no advantage over the much cheaper regular stretch, 100 eff with energize is overkill as hell so hack the transient for blind rage, regular sure footed is not good enough to justify running over the drifts, and if you have acess to archon stretch you have access to archon continuity so you may as well run that have you don't have primed continuity.

Alot of xakus survivability goes in with the fact thst he's got innate dodge and nothing can really get close enough to touch him if he's built for min maxxing the ghost guns. Rolling guard works pretty well as a status cleanse and bug out method. If you're really concerned about survival just run pillage over his 3 but you have to hit a break point of 170 or so with strength to 2 cast strip and it is line of sight

Some people use ivaras quiver and just shoot stealth arrows at their feet and watch the guns go and just have rg in case they get stat effects on them

[lean tendon]

Catalyzing Shield is not needed only if you are running 45% efficiency + 3 Augur mods + Brief Respite. At 45% efficiency with [Brief Respite] + THREE augur mods (one on frame and two on Burst Laser Prime), casting Xata's Whisper costs 39 energy which generates 104 shield which equates to about 0.8s i-frames. Casting Vast Untime generates 418 shield which equates to 1.45s i-frames.

And yeah drop Archon Stretch

Cunning Drift is best but if you like a PSF alternative then I recommend Handspring

[toxic pier]

Can you please give me a full build if you can? I would be a happy ducky 😫

[craggy niche]

this is what i personally run most of the time on xaku but i realize going without shield gating is just a impossible idea for some lol

[lean tendon]

It's just an easy way to survive that's all. 75% dodge after casting Vast Untime but you can still get hit. In SP it's easy to deplete shields in just one or two enemy hits.

[craggy niche]

i only play SP. personally i've had 0 problems surviving playing like this, his 2 is really just that good lol

[lean tendon]

There's always the Xaku Persistence build if he doesn't want shield gating.

[craggy niche]

plus if you actually use both facets of his 3 you have 15 decoys running around on top of your innate dodge chance 🤷 i guess if i wanted to get really crazy i'd put on omamori or somthn in his 1 but i genuinely have no issues playing like this lol

[lean tendon]

Or Invis caster build but that's meh nowadays

[craggy niche]

i'm only keeping xata's cuz i have 0 issues surviving with him and it's fun to run stuff like the dex sybaris and whatever for anything that might get close enough. thruthfully with roar as the weapons scale up you shouldn't really need much more than rolling guard and a good spot to dodge around in if you're running max range cuz virtually nothing should be getting close enough to hurt you

[craggy niche]

with this @toxic pier your bis drop for shield gating would probably be augur reach for cata shields and run a couple augur on your follower.. if you were really concerned for your life but from personal experience you're only gonna need that with content that's realllly high up in the levels. just tinker and see what works best for you, xaku can be a very versatile frame just gotta figure out what works for you the best, i like his ghost guns to do most of the work personally

also if you run roar on him for the ghost guns you basically won't ever have to do anything, like ever.. except run around for energy orbs lol

[toxic pier]

What shards should I use?

[craggy niche]

one cast speed, i like one energy filled on start, a couple purples for fake equilibrium if you want to run roar (to meet the extra energy constraints of not having that ability frozen) and the rest for dur on red shards would be my recommendation

his 3 has 3 modes, gaze is his armor strip and can be casted twice at once, so you can set up multiple different armor stripping lines of sights or grab a guy on the go to armor strip, accuse converts up to 15 enemies in one area so when you get a good dense moment you can cast that for a extra security blanket, and the deny is useless

his gaze only needs to meet a threshold of 200 str to full strip on los and has a 33.6m radius at 280 range so it's very potent when you get a feel for it lol

gaze's one downfall imo is some other warframe abilities have a tendency to drag your shit around so they can mess up your lanes if you're stationary but this is just a nuiscance thing for me lol

if you want to keep xata's in lieu of roar consider speccing into weapons that go well with blast, blast has very interesting results when mixed with xata's. i use akarius, dex sybaris incarnon, and a influence/blast wave focused syam with my xaku and it's alot of fun to just go around exploding everything with void bubbles lol

[warm obsidian]

Anyone has a Venari and Whipclaw build?

[glass rampart]

chat

crackpot idea

[green gyro]

circumvent is really nice on gyre

idk why you're using aegis with evade tho

shouldn't need either tbh

[glass rampart]

aegis got left over from a gating build i copied

evade is for crepuscular and 4 nuking

[green gyro]

yes I know

[glass rampart]

just experimenting with helminth tbh

[green gyro]

aegis isn't useful if youre invis

but I just run nourish and circumvent

[glass rampart]

the murmur is a terrible faction to test this out on

okay so

after testing it out. i figured that the enemies just die to your 4 anyway before you get your headshot in

sadge...

[opal leaf]

is fast deflection good for koumei?

[weary basalt]

I swapped out streamline for equilibrium

[opal leaf]

also what are shards (only red yellow blue)good for koumei

[opal leaf]

wait u need equilibrium

remove streamline and replace it for equi

[weary basalt]

I did it's an outdated screenshot by now

[lean tendon]

If you have Vigilante Vigor (obtainable in Cetus bounties) then use that in tandem of Fast Deflection and Redirection.

I would remove Vitality and Steel Fiber for Continuity and Stretch/Equilibrium.

Redirection+ Vigilante Vigor + Fast Deflection will be your main survivability.

Mag has some issues with the energy economy as a new player. Streamline + Equilibrium is your best bet for a better energy economy.

You can always change Fast Deflection and Vigilante Vigor if you want but Redirection is a mainstay until you get better ways of surviving. Shields are just OP in general.

[opal leaf]

guys.... i need help

[deep grotto]

How does one build Kuva Hek? Do you still run Galv. Hell even if you have scattered justice on it?

[green gyro]

yes

[deep grotto]

Oh oka

[quiet laurel]

Parkour velocity

[opal leaf]

Yellow shards? Imma just waste it for.... Casting speed

[static verge]

Any nekros prime builds

[modest dagger]

Does anyone have a Raksa Kubrow build for Mecha? Trying to set one up for my Lavos but not really sure how to finish it up, working with this so far.

And the Claws

[slender hemlock]

i want to sell a riven mod, can someone tell me how much its worth?

[severe bough]

Depends on the weapon and stats

[severe bough]

1 cast speed 4 parkour trust

[slender hemlock]

its this one

[opal leaf]

I need a LOT of yellow shards XDDDD

I have the maximum of 3 I think

[green gyro]

like 15p

[strange dragon]

anyone got a fun excal build?

[craggy niche]

Its a garbage roll

[old marsh]

Yes

Red for Dur, yellow for casting, blue for armor

[opal leaf]

Fun Excal build?

I have the red crit one

Replace his 2 (or his 3,i don't remember) with WA

Go 250 strength, the rest is Duration, shards go purple for Crits.

It sounds fun hehehe

[opal leaf]

Dura... Huh.... I guess dura is important

[brittle sleet]

Always replace Excalibur 2

[sonic folio]

shark pog

[pallid quiver]

anyone got a good build for coda bassocyst and tenet cycron?

[left matrix]

any good

[severe bough]

Viral elec or corro cold/corro
Progi can be toxin magnetic or elec tho i find toxin the best to make viral/corro with just one mod saving it for more QoL mods smth like reload speed etc dmg isnt a real issue on shotguns anyways esp if your get buffs

[severe bough]

God roll

Wtf are those grades💀

[left matrix]

what would you sell it for

[severe bough]

1 sec

[pallid quiver]

is that for bassocyst?

[left matrix]

dm prvt

[pallid quiver]

im using it as a primer then?

[severe bough]

Yup

[severe bough]

No u could use cycron as primeer

Tho companions exist

[pallid quiver]

my cycron had an elec progen so its a rad cycron now lol

i forget what progen i have on my bassocyst

[hollow inlet]

anyone have a hate build?

[craggy niche]

lol is corvex hi key a good candidate for triumbral?

lmao i know relatively useless at cap but those stats are BEEFY

[earnest saddle]

he's a decent contender

some people prefer using the augment for his fourth ability, if you've got a good source of energy

[craggy niche]

just with those stats and adaptation google estimates almost 99 percent damage resist lol

98.86

and apparently he's invul during his 4

[hexed lodge]

adaptations is more like a 75%ish dmg reduction, but yea pretty beefy
Most players either go full invuln or full tanking/umbral, take your playstyle

[craggy niche]

adaptation is 90 but there's build up

without any stacks of adaptation that much armor is roughly 89 percent lol

[hexed lodge]

Not exactly, it's complicated but the Kengineer has a video explaining why it's more roughly a 70-80% dmg reduction.

[mighty flare]

adaptation is usually never exactly 90% because enemy attacks aren't always 1 element and it only adapts to the element with the strongest weighting

like 100 damage with mixed slash & impact, but mostly slash would only adapt to the slash

[spiral chasm]

if u really want to go tank build persistence exist

[hexed lodge]

Pls no... unless you are doing lvlcap or ED/TA

[bold elbow]

holy neck lmao

[craggy niche]

he doesn't really have a way to match the 500hp/s demands of persistance innately

plus persistance kinda gimmicky when one magnetic status effect ruins it's effectiveness and slash goes straight through

[hexed lodge]

Even then, the amount of investment you use to get Persistence going it's usually more demanding than just simply tanking.
Persistence is really only useful when you are expecting to take extreme amounts of damage, or have a way to support in the kit like Inaros or Nidus

[craggy niche]

lol haven't revisted my rhino since a long time ago.

jesus this is bad lol

[hexed lodge]

[coral crest]

I feel like there's 3 categories of frames that can use it well

[hexed lodge]

Hey Box, what would those be?

[craggy niche]

wisp prime best persistance frame trust

[coral crest]

The orb generators
The purpose built tanks
The "heavyweight" frames

Orb generators are surviving thanks to replenishing their hp with a lot of orbs and usually damage resist

You can see Nezha and Voruna as such

[craggy niche]

anything can be a orb generator thanks to citrine's subsume

[coral crest]

Nekros too

[coral crest]

Thats beyond the conversation

My point is that

[craggy niche]

this aeolak is simply beautiful

[coral crest]

You either use consistent orb output to enable health conversion

[hexed lodge]

True, orbs can work well, i just usually see peeps outsource the healing to your companion, melees and such...

[craggy niche]

could have a better riven but i was out of fs to give

[coral crest]

Those frames almost always survive thanks to health orb output and armor

[hexed lodge]

and ofc gloom but... gloom is gloom

[coral crest]

Nekros and Nezha are the most blatant examples

Voruna is more of a hybrid but she counts

A lot of frames have gotten health orb augments to include them into that category

[craggy niche]

citrine is pretty much right in line with that

[coral crest]

Yep, she's too

She's another perfect example

[craggy niche]

good DR, good health genny. i need to work on her more i just can't seem to get her crystal to do enough damage

[coral crest]

Second category is self explanatory, health tanks already built as health tanks

Third category is a bit more unconventional

[hexed lodge]

Yeah, having innate status cleanse helps a lot too

[coral crest]

Frames that are by one way or another have a huge slant towards health tanking but their tools don't really support it as efficiently

So persistence acts to bridge the gap

[craggy niche]

what is a good rhino for the stupid money game mode

[coral crest]

Lavos, Grendel, Qorvex are the examples

[craggy niche]

just focus str and dur and rest be damned?

[coral crest]

Anyone with a really shitty shield and no good gating, and very conditional healing

[coral crest]

99% of frames that can use Persistence well have some form of status immunity

Which is why the real reason that nerf happened is because of hardmode bosses I think

[coral crest]

You gotta go the beastmaster way

It's unique, it's very strong

Use a damage hound and the pet augment, equip yourself with Summoner's wrath

It's a faction mod for pets, let your hound kill everyone

[earnest saddle]

apart from the mecha set (and prismatic companion augment)

it's mostly for status priming

[coral crest]

Citrine's orb generation keeps the pet permanently alive thanks to restorative bond

A hound or a mecha set are definitely the way to go

I prefer a hound, because they're more versatile to build and can shieldgate for you

[craggy niche]

I HAVE raksa and the damage dealing one

oh shit what's a genuinely interesting subsume to put on rhino

i'm kinda thinking something crowd control ish but i wanna scrap range and breach won't like that

[coral crest]

Roar can make anything work tbh

[hexed lodge]

base kit rhino is solid as is, you helminth him pretty much for gameplay variety

[craggy niche]

yee but scrapping range i basically kneecap charge and stomp

lol i could do the whole armor conversion thing and slap predirect on him for funsies

[coral crest]

Pyrotechnics Rhino

To double dip on roar and ragdolls he's causing

[slender hemlock]

dayum...

[undone dust]

citrine moa method..

shits actually kind of funny

[coral crest]

Oh of course, moas

[undone dust]

great grouping with whiplash
can shield gate for itself with blast shield
can still use guardian to assist in your gating
and can use verglas!!!

i honestly like whiplash's grouping more compared to naut's tbh

i just wish moas and their mods had a better ai, but at least citrine makes them actually bearable

[coral crest]

And you benefit more from summoners wrath

[undone dust]

the method:

[coral crest]

Because moas are more weapon based

[undone dust]

i wish companions benefited from gem's sc and sd increase

[static sphinx]

Is Sevagoth prime decent overall, and is it hard to make a build for him?

[quiet laurel]

it is hard to make a build for him but once you have that build you arguably have the best nuker in the game

[static sphinx]

Wasn't the best nuker Xaku or Gara or something?

[quiet laurel]

not even close

xaku cant nuke

and gara nuke is good but not sevagoth good

[static sphinx]

I thought that only good thing about Sevagoth is survivability

[quiet laurel]

his survivability sucks compared to other frames

but since shield gating is a thing its not an issue

and he casts quite a lot anyway

[static sphinx]

So, his nuke is 2 → 3 skill, right?

[quiet laurel]

2 > 1

[static sphinx]

Alright, thanks

[quiet laurel]

his 3 hinders him more

[late hemlock]

The abilities are called sow and reap for a reason

[static sphinx]

I know, I just mixed up gloom and reap

So, what is his best build?

Maybe I can at least make a fraction of it.

[late hemlock]

The conventional way of building the nuke consists of hitting a minimum of 255% strength, using augments for his 1 and 2 and having roar as a subsume

With those up you hit 2 then 1 and things will die

[static sphinx]

Alright, thanks

[exotic edge]

Would this gauss prime build be good for sp or not?

[fervent rapids]

Duration is one of Gauss' most important stats in most builds

[exotic edge]

What should I drop for more duration then?

I’m building a gauss nuke to just wipe the enemies

[fervent rapids]

Strength, a lot of his damage also scales from his Kinetic Battery

plus you have Molt Augmented too

[exotic edge]

I’ve changed transient fortitude for primed continuity does this look better ?

[hexed lodge]

it's either crazy good if you decide to take on his learning curve; or use his high-investment nuke setup
Take your path

[fierce lark]

you’re trying to nuke with thermal sunder, yeah?

[fathom gyro]

Is Arcane Universal Fallout really worth it for Oberon? Contemplating buying it but not sure if it's worth the price

[versed harbor]

its good but not required

u can work around not having it like there are plenty of energy sources just fallout is the best one

[fathom gyro]

Gotcha, thanks

[earnest saddle]

if you don't have universal fallout, the equilibrium+deconstruct combo should work fine

[violet silo]

take off augmented, put on molt efficiency or arcane ice storm

you’re still pretty low on duration, his most important stat

[hexed lodge]

i thought they said they wanted a nuke focused build, would duration be still necessary?
genuine question cause i don't fully know gauss

[violet silo]

yeah

nuke’s dmg scales with duration

[hexed lodge]

oh that's truly interesting

[fervent rapids]

Combining the heat and cold Sunders makes them do their DoT as a single burst, so more Duration means more total DoT that gets condensed

[violet silo]

the damage of the nuke is like harmony, it takes the remaining duration of the heat procs on gauss and the damage they would do and condenses it into one blast

[fervent rapids]

Duration also affects Redline, and Redline buffs everything else on Gauss

[violet silo]

iirc it’s called expediting, after the helminth ability

[hexed lodge]

Got it, thx for the info

[fervent rapids]

I suspect it's something like that yeah, an unofficial name similar to CO-scaling

[novel bear]

I call it status collapse

[fervent rapids]

I forget what Harmony calls it

[violet silo]

is there a good frame to use expedite suffering on?

garuda maybe?

[fervent rapids]

ah Harmony says "condense"

[violet silo]

yeah

[novel bear]

Wiki calls it detonation

[violet silo]

where

[novel bear]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Damage_over_Time

[violet silo]

oh I see it

they don’t have sunder :(

[fervent rapids]

Sunder's combined damage thing doesn't really condense the actual DoT, it deals a separate instance of damage based on the DoT

the areas still persist and deal damage afaik.

[craggy niche]

IS THERE ANY DEEP DIVES INTO xaku's target aquisition on his guns?

[violet silo]

the dot stacks are removed

all heat stacks (or cold if ur weird)

[craggy niche]

i just dropped down to 250 range and the aquisition on the guns seems way worse

like they don't seem to swivel around as fast

[umbral hemlock]

Hello

I have a question regarding Gyre Prime build

I saw Ninjase's build but I don't quite like it for 3 mods regarding shield gating when there is Arcane Circumvent

[mighty flare]

You can remove then yes

[umbral hemlock]

I don't really think Fast Deflection and Vigilante Vigor are needed

better

[mighty flare]

You can add more range/duration or whatever, something like rolling guard has nice qol

[umbral hemlock]

I would perhaps exchange both of em to Primed Continuity and sth like Augur Message or idk

[mighty flare]

You don’t need high duration on Gyre, just continuity itself is enough

[umbral hemlock]

and what does Lightning Dash's elec on bullet jump gives exactly? elec dmg for abilities or for weapons?

[fervent rapids]

Makes your bullet jump deal some electricity damage from its launch point

[mighty flare]

Just extra parkour velocity, making you move around faster but not necessary

[novel bear]

Lightning dash can be replaced with mobilize

[mighty flare]

And yeah bullet jump does damage

[umbral hemlock]

How does the damage calculate

[fervent rapids]

like if you bullet jump near an enemy they take some damage

[static sphinx]

Probably it wasn't the best prime to get first, but I guess I'll have to invest.

[fervent rapids]

Based on the usual damage and such the bullet jump does

[novel bear]

It’s pretty low, and you can’t do much to increase it

[umbral hemlock]

Endurance Drift seems like a suitable replacement

[novel bear]

Mobilize would be better

[mighty flare]

Exilus can be anything, it doesn’t really matter in the end

[hexed lodge]

I mean if you like simple, then probably not... but still very feasible to play with him in the early game.

[umbral hemlock]

Which Helminth abilities would be suitable for Gyre instead of her 2?

[craggy niche]

don't even need cata shields just rock pillage and rolling guard and call her a day

[umbral hemlock]

I am tired of Pillage propaganda

I will probably just slap rolling guard and sth else

[craggy niche]

it fixes both of her problems in one go. do what you want but pillage is bis for her imo

[umbral hemlock]

flow isn't even needed

maybe on pillage build

[craggy niche]

nope

not even tbh

[hexed lodge]

Better question, what exactly you want slotted instead? More damage, grouping, armor strip?

[craggy niche]

to be fair she has grouping and damage innately with her kit

[umbral hemlock]

Circumvent is enough of any kind of stripping imo. With Cat Shields and Rolling Guard, it is enough for defense. I want to run her to be ability based damage but not too sure

Currently have 2 Tau Violet shards for ability elec dmg and 1 Tau for cast speed

[hexed lodge]

Sounds like good ol' Roar might be the best choice for you then.

[umbral hemlock]

I don't want to make a 300 plus strength build, just want to find something that could possibly take me to level cap but not too stressful

Something to be atuned with her kit

Can be utility

[craggy niche]

i run either roar for her abilities or pillage to fix many of her problems

[mighty flare]

Nourish roar pillage etc

[mighty flare]

Stuff like evade, omamori or silence are common utility slots

[hexed lodge]

hmm... i haven't tried this on Gyre but, is Coil Horizon reliable enough to perform ground finishers?

[undone dust]

for what purpose

[umbral hemlock]

Elemental Ward?

[mighty flare]

Yea

[undone dust]

awful

[hexed lodge]

...Trickery
Try silence with the augment then, it's surprisingly comfy for lvlcap

[umbral hemlock]

Tesla Nervos?

[undone dust]

probably slightly less awful

[craggy niche]

this is my favorite way to run her. slap 3 tau violet on there for ability damage and a energy effectiveness and cast speed tau yellow and call her a day

[velvet pulsar]

Is gyre already an ability nuker?

[undone dust]

yes

[umbral hemlock]

I mean yeah

[hexed lodge]

yes but Mata wants to experiment

[umbral hemlock]

By the way, keep in mind I am on mobile for the unknown time period

I didn't state that

[velvet pulsar]

Honestly at that point I'm just collecting more feedback just to make banish subsume work on casters.

[hexed lodge]

well, i don't know what word to use, but you don't seem interested on the common options like roar/pillage etc

[velvet pulsar]

Oh I know an option

[undone dust]

you're just married to that shit arent you

[mighty flare]

Gyres already slot starved and that usually needs its augment

[velvet pulsar]

Have Huras Kubrow or Shade, pair that with this death gate.

[hexed lodge]

Oh really!? i love banish subsume, if you found anything interesting lmk

[umbral hemlock]

I do not want what everyone mostly uses. I want to try to make my own builds and not look it up on overframe. However, I do not have enough knowledge to not fck up stuff

[craggy niche]

people use them because they work lol

[undone dust]

you really cant do anything crazy with gyre honestly

[velvet pulsar]

Support this then:

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1496348-if-you-are-reworking-limbo-banish-subsume-feedback/

My feedback

[umbral hemlock]

Is it better to have Cat Shields or Rolling Guard on her?

[craggy niche]

pillage or roar are no brainers on her and she's kinda too slot starved to experiment with other shit

[mighty flare]

Usually cats if not using pillage

[craggy niche]

if pillage than rg if no pillage than cata

[hexed lodge]

Then this might not be the best place... try to find Gyre mains that have more experience in that field

[modern vale]

Can someone slide me a Uriel build, please? Like a castle bravo ass build

[undone dust]

run idk pyrotechnics and throw shit around with her 2 like a chud

[umbral hemlock]

Spellbind?

[craggy niche]

spellbind ain't gonna do nothing rolling guard won't do

[velvet pulsar]

It's just worse well of life

[undone dust]

im going to make a well of life xaku setup just for you bro

[velvet pulsar]

That's one time when I wouldn't use that

[undone dust]

too bad im doing it anyway twin

[velvet pulsar]

But yeah, well & spellbind both are status immunity subsumes

Both have augment for energy restoration

Difference is spellbind is more mobile while WoL gives death gate as well

[craggy niche]

"What everyone uses" is subjective. i personally don't like cata gate because it's rinse and repeat lol. The fact of the matter is only so much stuff in any game like this works so if it works, it's more than likely something that's fairly popular

[velvet pulsar]

Though you can make Well of Life mobile as well, it'll just require more button pressing.

(lesser than shield gate)

[umbral hemlock]

Shooting Gallery? Resonator? Ensnare? Condemn?

[craggy niche]

shooting gallery would just be worse than her augment for her 1

[velvet pulsar]

Resonator

[static sphinx]

I like complexity, but in this case he requires 2 cephalon mods, and few other hard to obtain ones. I barely have any good mods as of right now, especially for warframes (I'm MR 7).

[velvet pulsar]

Decoy is also an alternative but I wouldn't suggest

[velvet pulsar]

Condemn too

Matter of fact, condemn might be one of the better options

[craggy niche]

if you are on mobile my top picks are xaku with distance maxxed and roar, and "Spin to win" Revnant

[undone dust]

her 2 already groups (albeit kind of shitty) so dropping it for ensnare is kind of redundant

[umbral hemlock]

I have mostly played Xaku, Oraxia and Sevagoth from Android launch

[umbral hemlock]

Larva?

[undone dust]

that's another grouping ability twin

[umbral hemlock]

ik

[velvet pulsar]

Does condemn override the grouping?

[craggy niche]

for gyre specifically you're gonna wanna lean on your abilities so roar would probably honestly be the easiest route. just shield gate with Gato shields, run roar and let your abilities nuke everything. Equip a beam for bonus points

[undone dust]

it might? i dont know how locked down enemies work with grouping abilities

[hexed lodge]

That's the heavy-investment path. If you actually understand how he works, the learning curve path, he doesn't really need the investment, there are new videos out there that cover that.

[static sphinx]

I'll try that I guess. Thanks

[hexed lodge]

iirc, grouping pulls the condemned enemies, but doesn't ragdoll them

[velvet pulsar]

That's honestly a synergy right there

[eternal prism]

Who am I if I went to mesa without shards on lvlcap

☠️

[umbral hemlock]

lesa

[hexed lodge]

If successful, based.
If failed, a masochist.

[umbral hemlock]

Okay, creativity aside, even bored myself with it. Which helminth abilities would help Gyre do decently on lvlcap?

[velvet pulsar]

And if condemn doesn't work out, just rely of good consistent crowd control against regular enemies along with arcane circumvent for eximus enemies

[craggy niche]

roar and pillage

🤣

[velvet pulsar]

Gyre's survivability gets solved

[umbral hemlock]

ah so strength again

[umbral hemlock]

alas

[eternal prism]

Only later did I realize that I was without shards

[craggy niche]

no she doesn't need a ton of strength, just enough to two cast

roar is so ludacrisly good it doesn't need a ton of strength either, people just min max it on things like wisp and such because you can

[velvet pulsar]

IIRC condemn can go base strength too right?

[undone dust]

which is only like 164%

[hexed lodge]

imma do you another one
https://youtu.be/iCeVuYKfJD0?si=nNf-NT829Hf-6p1j

[eternal prism]

btw hotshot is so unstable that zid an uskos give almost the same dps boost

but without stacks

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-cat-uncanny-cat-gif-17717270398074174657

[eternal prism]

magnet do diferense

[umbral hemlock]

Did anyone try Mecha build on Gyre

I saw a build for it but it sounds like sacrilege

[mighty flare]

It works

[umbral hemlock]

hm

[limpid belfry]

does this work with exalted weapons?

[umbral hemlock]

Will make one Pillage and one Roar build

[velvet pulsar]

Apparently no

[limpid belfry]

sad

[velvet pulsar]

Ditching the condemn idea?

[umbral hemlock]

Mm not really

[mighty flare]

Would recommend trying scyotid

[umbral hemlock]

Just seeing my options, the laid back ones and levelcap ones

[umbral hemlock]

Don't have it yet...

[velvet pulsar]

Try that before pillage

[craggy niche]

on mine circumvent is just there as a extra layer of survival. it's pretty much a flexi slot for whatever

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah because if u end up using Circumvent, then doesn't feel nice using pillage too

[umbral hemlock]

Yeah I will use yours, thank you for that o7

[velvet pulsar]

Because both of them will defense strip

[umbral hemlock]

yeah but Pillage doesn't give you enemies' armor

[velvet pulsar]

Pillage won't have any shield or armor to convert shield from those enemies

[craggy niche]

i just like blasting through groups and stealing overguard or the quick one tap of a acolytes defenses

i barely ever use it tho cuz i like to save it for my rolling guard

[velvet pulsar]

So pairing pillage with circumvent is redundant

[craggy niche]

you call it redundancy, i call it a layered exit strategy

[velvet pulsar]

Why not layer 2 different strategies rather than the same ones?

[craggy niche]

they're different enough, pillage doesn't solve overguard and isn't virtually instantaneous. but like i said that slot in my build specifically is built to be a flexi slot so i can run whatever i want

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah usage is making big difference here.

[hexed lodge]

That's an interesting question i want answered myself...
Let me test this out and I will get back to you on it, which wf is this for?

[limpid belfry]

Mesa

[velvet pulsar]

Ninjase once told me electric ones don't seem to affect the exalted melees at all

If they did, they'd triple dip on exalted influence builds

[eternal prism]

Ability Damage bonus is multiplicative with Ability Strength scaling and does not apply to Exalted Weapons.

from wiki btw

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah and because it'll triple dip influence, DE won't fix that

[hexed lodge]

Right, but y'know that the C in digital extremes stands for consistency.
I don't mind being corrected, just want to make sure

[eternal prism]

ninjase auto skip

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-cat-uncanny-cat-gif-17717270398074174657

[velvet pulsar]

For some reason ninjase's exilus choices are very limited

Usually it's either cunning drift or power drift

[craggy niche]

or prime sure footed

[eternal prism]

just look at this

☠️

[mighty flare]

?

[velvet pulsar]

I can remember when was the last time I saw PSF in a ninjase build

[eternal prism]

They are mutually exclusive. Another mod will give more damage than another crit

[umbral hemlock]

PSF on Atlas fr fr

He has it on Sevagoth

[hexed lodge]

what would you use instead?

[velvet pulsar]

Red Crits are a thing

[eternal prism]

provided that he also uses hotshot and shards on cc

[eternal prism]

Even anemic agility will give more damage

[velvet pulsar]

Neuron activation build

[eternal prism]

I used this without hotshot and it still did enough damage. It's worth considering an additional mod сс

[hexed lodge]

i mean sevagoth doesn't have knockdown immunity like other wfs, and most popular sev builds rely on shield-gating, if you get knocked down because you fell asleep playing his roar nuke then it's actually a big deal

[eternal prism]

There's no co mod here because pistols don't stack statuses for it effectively

even though I have furax and companion gives it

[hexed lodge]

yeah i always saw Ninjase's builds like a "great starting point", but could use one or two touch-ups, or change it to your style

[eternal prism]

btw, cheap build via encumber is generally not bad

it has the same unstable dps, but at least it doesn't force you to take combo stick

or enervate but u not need shards then

[high sable]

if only people read the description for alternatives and playstyles

[craggy niche]

usually he has all good alternatives and or whatever in his descriptions lol.

there's a reason he's the best

[eternal prism]

Honestly, I don't always understand why ppl cant just come up with something myself. Of course, can look at someone else's weapon build, but have to be aware that it might not be the most effective option

[eternal prism]

galv shot not better for mesa btw

Why stack a bunch of statuses when you can just kill a mob in 3 shots instead of 5?

[high sable]

for the direct dmg buff (ur alr gettinf ips+ whatever ur building), and easier hotshot stacking

[eternal prism]

He probably did the math on some calculator and doesn't understand that galv shot is only better against thraxes and demolishers

[eternal prism]

Hotshot gives less gain at distance and it is not stable
For example, zid and uskos gives a little less, but it always works
and you don't just lose a ton of dps if your hotshot stacks run out

difference there is literally calculated at 8 million with the already existing 100

[high sable]

fair enough, i dont think any build will fit 100% of people's playstyle

[eternal prism]

This isn't really about playstyle, but rather about the fact that constantly searching for mobs for this is too difficult unless it's a cascade

in disruption there are many times fewer enemies

[high sable]

hotshot stacks in like 2 secs so not that hard imo

[eternal prism]

Try using wyrm, which doesn't usually act as a primer for anything

[hexed lodge]

it's ok you can stop the glaze now
jokes aside, yes he's an amazing builder that can give you a go-to build for players that just want to use a warframe briefly, but not the go-to if you want to main a certain warframe

[high sable]

oh i just build heat on regulators

[eternal prism]

zid an uskos give u heat

250%

[high sable]

yep thats an option too

[eternal prism]

For quick runs, you'll have enough damage even without heat

[mighty flare]

There are other companions that exists

[craggy niche]

Everyone always says this but i see noone that says this actually making widely accepted (and not stupid) builds

[eternal prism]

They exist, but when you don't want to waste a whole slot, wyrm mod stands out too much against the background

I had other companions, but when wyrm appeared, I forgot about others

Perhaps for those who don't want to reach lvlcap it's not necessary. But in other cases it gives too much qol

[craggy niche]

having one status immunity is not uhhh. what i'd call a cut above the rest

but to each their own

[eternal prism]

He doesn't have a cd, if you kill mobs you are literally protected from any status

[craggy niche]

just don't get damaged, ez

[eternal prism]

That's its main feature. When for other builds you want at least a rolling guard with a cooldown
if u not use varazin ofc

[novel bear]

Just use fortifier

Or tazicor

[craggy niche]

tazicor is the shit

im p sure step don't have it tho 😛

[eternal prism]

Why use a fortifier when you can just use vazarin

[eternal prism]

I deleted it because I didn't need it

[novel bear]

I can’t keep having this argument with someone who refuses to acknowledge that primer companions exist

[hexed lodge]

i mean, yeah, someone that has 500+ hrs on mag probably can't give you a top khora build.
Like me, i could give you +5 both efficient and fun Sevagoth builds, but i can't give you a top kullervo build cause i don't play him...
Not trying to say Ninjase is bad, just that is not perfect, great starting point, but if you want the more advanced stuff, go after the experts

[craggy niche]

from people that actually play with him in the other discord, he's literally on this game almost all the time and does cap with almost every warframe lol

[eternal prism]

It's enough to just not use them when everything is dying anyway. I got rid of them as quickly as I realized that everything was dying anyway

[craggy niche]

just don't bro this guy won't ever admit he's wrong or there's other ways to go about things lol

learned that a few days ago and i've only been here a week

[eternal prism]

There are no problems in the game when you use vazarin btw

[hexed lodge]

that's not related to the point but ok? besides, cap can be cheesed if you want to as well... can bring a modless frame and cheese with circumvent + furis incarnon, etc

[eternal prism]

Well, this only works for cascades

disruption still exists

[craggy niche]

that's incredibly to the point lol. when someone is capping cascades and other with these warframes rather than just maining them they tend to give more helpful advice. not to mention ninj typically highlights what the build is for right in the title lol

and describes the utility of everything in the build from top down. bro deserves to be glazed lol there's not many others out there that do what he does

[eternal prism]

Capturing points on cascades is not difficult
once you remember the mob spawns

this also applies to disruption

[undone dust]

they DONT grrrr..

[novel bear]

My mistake, sorry

[undone dust]

it's okay bro i love you

[craggy niche]

hey quick question have you noticed the guns on xaku suffering from target aquisition issues when you delve into lower ranges?

[undone dust]

i dont go under 235% but other than that i havent noticed any target acquisition issues

[craggy niche]

like i know the range they can shoot goes down but i ran a few runs with cata on my xaku just to try it and it seemed like the aquisition of targets was immensely worse

i usually run 280

[undone dust]

and if i am under 235% it's usually for a weapons setup that i drop lohk for

[craggy niche]

and went down to 250 '

[undone dust]

when im working on my xaku document ill test a bit to see if that is an actual problem

[umbral hemlock]

True

[winter rune]

can somebody help me with wisp prime buff build

[novel bear]

Lots of strength

[hexed lodge]

Tested it, can confirm they don't work on exalteds.

[fierce lark]

im sure he’s tested it at some point bc he runs corroblast lizzie and primary status chance shards rather than +ability to corrosive

[stable plover]

i dono wut im doing. gun part seems to work ok, but melee part does like 10 times less dmg.

riven should probobly go. its just 55% status chance and 105% melee dmg. with reduced dmg to corpus.

[fierce lark]

right off the cuff idk what's on the riven but it's probably trash

there's no base dmg, no modded element, two completely missing multipliers

and doughty is just generally trash if that's what you were trying to build around

[fierce lark]

yeah that is pretty awful for a riven, either CO or primed pressure point would be infinitely better

[stable plover]

ok, so doughty is indeed useless. i hope they rework melee at some point.

[fierce lark]

if you don't want to use influence, you can go with exposure or duplicate

but influence is the very clear best choice by a mile

especially if you're going acuity primary

[stable plover]

ok tyvm.

[fierce lark]

i wouldn't try working a vinquibus riven, has 0.5 disposition, even a good stat riven is likely not worth a slot

[stable plover]

ok, should i hold onto it in case they buff the riven dispo in the future?

[fierce lark]

if you want

the gun will probably get dispo buffs

it's fairly good, but not super popular, probably because people don't like a weapon eating both slots and melee is a very common utility slot

[opal leaf]

Hey Saryn, just a question

Do you do Health Tank Koumei?

[fierce lark]

no, shieldgate

health tank is doable

it was doable before persistence tbh, there's a lot of decrees that give armor/health sustain

[opal leaf]

Yeah I've been doing health tank and it's goated for me as I survive easily

But yeah I was just gonna ask smth bc of it

[fierce lark]

since koumei barely uses mod slots you can do whatever flavor of tank you want

[eternal prism]

aura gate

[opal leaf]

In my build

My idea is the last slot is Umbral Intensify (obviously)

But any recommendations?

(I already know the arcanes would be blessings or grace, and I decided to have Nullstar as subsume

I'm looking at this and I am still thinking, "what should I put here, it's comfy but what else"

[eternal prism]

koumea have bad damage scale

[opal leaf]

Should I remove Pulse for more range?

[abstract axle]

Hold up. Doughty is probably the second strongest melee arcane, it's just niche for weapons allowed and loses up the busted nonsense that is influence

[eternal prism]

only 4nd can do enough damage

1nd not do damage without ragdol weapon or etc

[opal leaf]

I know but it's not a problem to me tbh when my Kubrow just status nuke them

[eternal prism]

if u want so u can put 90% str for 4nd skill

it should be more then enough

[opal leaf]

The only question is should I remove Mecha Pulse and exchange it to smth else? Like stretch

[eternal prism]

I honestly don't know about this since I don't use this mod pack

koumei have los mechanic in 4nd skill

[fierce lark]

keep the mecha mods if you're going all in on them with pet, range can be left at 190 or 205 with cunning, strength and duration both have little to no value

[eternal prism]

so I wouldn't go overboard with the range

[opal leaf]

Aight, then Umbral Intensify on the last slot

[opal leaf]

Aight thanks, would take note

[eternal prism]

If it weren't for that, it would be the perfect nuke skill

😭

[fierce lark]

uhhhhhh i guess, it's really just existing to buff vitality atp

[opal leaf]

Yeah hahahahaha

[fierce lark]

wait no wtf

[opal leaf]

Are arcane blessings rare?

[fierce lark]

get omakuji's fortune lol

[opal leaf]

Nah I'm switching that for Nullstar

[fierce lark]

the one hard-locked slot on koumei is her augment

if you remove her 2 you've pretty much turned koumei into stalker

[abstract axle]

As mentioned, influence will work better, but if you want to build for doughty, this is kinda garbage. You need weeping wounds, and building cd is going to be very diminishing returns. And you are running three of em

[opal leaf]

Omamori is quite enough

[fierce lark]

omamori is subsumable

[opal leaf]

Hold on

What do you mean?

[fierce lark]

i mean koumei's entire gimmick that gives her any power whatsoever is her infinite scaling through decrees

if you subsume off her 2, you've deleted most of the reason to play koumei in the first place

[eternal prism]

status gambling

[fierce lark]

and if you're playing her for omamori, omamori is her subsume, so you can do that on any other frame

the only thing subsumed omamori loses is the ability to roll triple 6s for full invuln, which is rare anyways unless you cheese it with OOB resets

[opal leaf]

Ohhhhhhh

Well....

I don't really like her 2 in the first place

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-cat-uncanny-cat-gif-17717270398074174657

[opal leaf]

The triple 6 is quite easy

Bc as I noticed it 21 and above gave you invulnerability already and I cycle a lot by spamming 1

[fierce lark]

🤷‍♂️

i can't tell you what to do, but the only other thing to do with koumei would be deliberate status dmg with 1/4, which requires you to invest heavily into strength

[opal leaf]

OK I'll try this....... Challenge

Bc there are some challenge that requires melee and I cannot do that bc my melee are weak

[fierce lark]

you only get full invulnerability if you roll three 6s when you press 3, and you can't recast it until it goes below 5 stacks

what you roll has no bearing, the only thing it checks for is 666

[opal leaf]

Unless there aren't anything like that and it's just... By range

[eternal prism]

u have praedos?

[opal leaf]

Fair

[eternal prism]

it more then enough for quests

[opal leaf]

No, I only use Arca Titron or Zenistar

[eternal prism]

try get praedos. fine for mouvment and koumei

[fierce lark]

if you get a decree challenge you can't complete, you can sac it by holding 2 and wait for a new one

[opal leaf]

Alright I'll try the 2

I mean despite I hate I'll try it

Bc my plan is slotting in nullstar on her 2

[eternal prism]

secret hotshot abuse

[fierce lark]

im more curious why you wouldn't rather play nova with omamori

[opal leaf]

Idk as well, Nova is been in my garage, bathe in dust

Anyways...

Fine

How good Is her 2?

[fierce lark]

in a fast mission, it's pretty useless

in an endurance that goes long enough, it literally breaks the game

if you've ever played duviri circuit, you've probably seen how strong you can get with decrees sometimes

koumei just does that but in normal missions

[opal leaf]

Is it permanent? Once you get the challenge?

[fierce lark]

yes, whatever decree you get will stay until the mission ends

[opal leaf]

... Hmm.... And the decrees are random right?

[fierce lark]

completely random

[opal leaf]

HMMMMMM

..... Ok I'll build her config B....

[fierce lark]

there is a slight lean towards melee, as there are more decrees that benefit melees vs guns

[opal leaf]

Yeah I know, that's the reason I hate it in the first place as soon I reached SP

[jagged rivet]

does anyone have any suggestions on builds for the magistar latron and lex for the accolade glyphs

[craggy niche]

anyone have any funy suggestions for rhino subsume

i have slaughtered his range so rhino charge goes like 3 feet lol

[eternal prism]

hammer shot over riven for latron and magistar

[craggy niche]

maybe wyrd sychthes from dagathe?

does coil horizon have a range limit?

or does range effect it rather?

[prime ivy]

Do I need to rework my nataruk build? Haven't touched it since shortly after the acuity mods dropped

Argon scope is just filler for when I get heavy cal and primary acuity maxed

[opal leaf]

Y-yes....

[mighty flare]

Yes

[prime ivy]

I realized I had the stuff to max out heavy caliber anyway so argon scope is gone

[prime ivy]

In what way? Are we doing status nataruk now or do I just revert back to the non-acuity multishot setup

[opal leaf]

Multi shot

Go electric Slash (or blast, either way works)

Remove acuity

[prime ivy]

Electric????

[opal leaf]

As what I learned, stacking Serration and Heavy Caliber is not necessary

It's redundant at that point

[prime ivy]

Isn't that for melee weapons using influence????

Smh damage buff should = damage buff dangit

[opal leaf]

Not all the time, but it works

[opal leaf]

Yes, gives Aoe

Electric slash

[prime ivy]

I know I risk sounding like a "back in my day" old head but man I never needed aoe on my nataruk

I don't level cap

[opal leaf]

You don't have to

[prime ivy]

That was the only reason I could see one needing more aoe on the natuaruk 😭

[opal leaf]

Nataruk is already have huge AOE hahahah

[prime ivy]

That's what I'm saying like the extra aoe feels redundant

[opal leaf]

Ah yeah yeah hahah

Mti shot always works tbh,, you see the videos

[prime ivy]

I don't watch videos really

[opal leaf]

I mean my video the one I sent

It's an evidence of how good Electric Slash js

[prime ivy]

I'd rather do red crits

Orange is good but not as satisfying tbh, I can figure out how I wanna switch it up as I rank it up following this last forma I threw on

I just know that a bunch of things have change in damage calc during my hiatus

[opal leaf]

Oh... Youre those guys...

Then I can't help you

Get a riven :/

My builds are utility to make stuff easier and comfy, budget style and able To pack a punch

[prime ivy]

And it's a little annoying to keep track of

[opal leaf]

Like get a riven with 100+ crit chance, critical delay and stuff like that

Idk

[regal shore]

the uriel subdue ability (101% heal) invincible inaros

[prime ivy]

Eh, natty rivens are suuuper expensive so I doubt I'll ever get one tbh

[regal shore]

7 forma tho

[opal leaf]

If you want red crits

Do acuity, Galvanized scope, then primary deadhead

At least that can help

[prime ivy]

Ah yeah deadhead would probably work better than merciless in this case

[opal leaf]

Multi shot is just Shotgun Nataruk

[opal leaf]

And get galvanize scope

[prime ivy]

Will have to farm out more arbis for that which is fine, I'm just working on pushing thru nightwave stuff before it changes April 8th

[opal leaf]

At this point Get Daikyu Prime if you want them reds hahahahahahah

Daikyu have a an another 250% cc bonus when hit a weakpoint

Add that with acuity, galvanize scope, amalgam Daikyu, the Daikyu augment and fckin..... Deadhead

[prime ivy]

So it'll get put together

[opal leaf]

You'll get 20 mil of red crits

[prime ivy]

I mean, I plan on it eventually

I didn't get to MR30 by leaving weapons un-farmed lol