builds-discussion

[eternal prism]

i know

[ember condor]

I’m planning on switching to Vazarin as my main once I get the Tauron Strike.

[eternal prism]

i want big hammer

Vazarin solves absolutely all problems with survival. It's cool

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-meme-silly-cat-silly-weep-gif-16415733508326637886

[velvet pulsar]

Basically the idea is to susbume elemental ward on her 3 to take advantage of 2 buggiest abilities in the game:
Merulina & Cold Ward

[coral crest]

Isn't that unairu?...

[eternal prism]

idk... maybe

[coral crest]

Yeah hammer is unairu

[eternal prism]

cold ward scam

[coral crest]

Vazarin is the healing staff one

[eternal prism]

it work only with armor

not your damage

[velvet pulsar]

Cold Ward triggers melee hits
When on Merulina, companion dmg counts as primary and they trigger ur primary's arcanes.

[ember condor]

And a vortex that pulls in all enemies and strips Overguard.

[eternal prism]

secret meta shool?

[velvet pulsar]

40s duration

[eternal prism]

It's useless. It's only needed to stack uskos a little faster

[ember condor]

It can also revive dead players which I’ve heard works in even Archimedia.

[velvet pulsar]

And prevents bleedout in its range

Or more like immediately brings back from bleedout

[velvet pulsar]

And arbi as well

[coral crest]

It works even in arbis

And it's full map wide

[velvet pulsar]

I've carried a Saryn & a Protea in infested arbi

[novel bear]

It also shares damage between enemies caught in it

[velvet pulsar]

Collective Curse

DE copied it's code 2ice in 1 update.

[novel bear]

Vazarin is the best tauron and it’s not close at all

[velvet pulsar]

Once for vazarin, then for Uriel's demon.

Kullervo better get a good augment for his 3.

[novel bear]

Does he need one?

[ember condor]

Three, actually. The armor from the hammer Tauron Strike uses the same code as Health Conversion.

[velvet pulsar]

Need shouldn't be an excuse of powercreep, unless u mean the frames who need augment should get first, in that case that becomes a mandatory slot/bandaid augment.

[sly phoenix]

hello hello

[coral crest]

[Collective Suffering] - Collective Curse is now able to spread Status Effect application

[sly phoenix]

I'm facing issues with a frame build

is it the right place to ask

[novel bear]

Yes, give him influence as an augment

Great idea

[coral crest]

Yes, give him influence with an augment

[velvet pulsar]

I can see electric, gas, blast, & tau status from venato.

[coral crest]

I think it would be a great idea

Gun Influence

[craggy niche]

I forgot how good wisp is lol

[coral crest]

In a way, it would truly be collective suffering

[velvet pulsar]

Honestly, people would see it counter intuitive to use influence then

It's funny outcome

[ember condor]

But what if you stacked them?

[sly phoenix]

[velvet pulsar]

We'll excuse it as "diminishing returns"

[coral crest]

Yes

[velvet pulsar]

[novel bear]

Influence would still be better than the other arcanes

[sly phoenix]

can I send the build here orrr

[coral crest]

Yeah

[velvet pulsar]

Let the best melee frame not pair with best melee arcane.

[coral crest]

No we'll just cause another Vadarya incident thanks to it

[novel bear]

Ruvox can still do that, it’s just not good at it

[sly phoenix]

That's a Khora build right there. It works really well on steel path. But I'm often short on energy. what can I do about it

[velvet pulsar]

Cyte doesn't use Vadarya

[coral crest]

Ruvox my beloved

[novel bear]

Your best option is a good companion with synth deconstruct

[coral crest]

A good tagging companion

[novel bear]

Typical choice for khora would be diriga

[velvet pulsar]

I forgot, is Ruvox considered the buggiest weapon or Onos?

[coral crest]

It's probably a shared spot

Zymos is up there too

[safe ore]

Does anyone have a Atlas build that could do well in higher level steel path

[sly phoenix]

perfect, thanks a lot

[sly phoenix]

can I do anhything that would help with a smeeta kavat ?
cause it's supposed to be a ressource farming build

[velvet pulsar]

I wish aim assist wasn't limited to controller

I wanna try the cyte-toxocyst shenanigans

[novel bear]

Smeeta is no longer especially good for resource farming
I would use panzer with synth deconstruct

[sly phoenix]

alright, thanks

[quiet laurel]

you dont have good enough aim for that?

[novel bear]

Honestly the aim assist makes it harder to get headshots

[quiet laurel]

controller aiming sucks for warframe

[velvet pulsar]

...through walls, not seeing the enemy, just relying on minimap enemy radar, distance where Seek cannot reach.

Depends on disruption demolyst spawn distance

[quiet laurel]

just know spawns fr

[velvet pulsar]

Does it spawn further than max range of seek?

Most likely yes.

[golden hawk]

After the nerf how do u build nezha? Is nezha pyrotechnics subsume still good? Can I see some nezha builds

[opal leaf]

Yeah

Idk how Nezha got nerfed but he still nukes tbh

I do the casual 2 4 2 technique of Nezha for nuking and it nukes well

[golden hawk]

Without any subsume?

[opal leaf]

Yeah

Though I am priming heat tho through Atomos

[golden hawk]

Very interesting would u be willing to share ur build

[opal leaf]

Aight wait let me get my companion

[golden hawk]

Perfect

[golden hawk]

what Arcanes u got?

Also how does the Dante subsume compare against pyrotechnics if anyone knows

[opal leaf]

Molt Augmented and Arcane impetus

[opal leaf]

It's less effective than Pyrotechnics as I heard

[novel bear]

Pyrotechnics is better pretty sure
It interacts with ragdoll, I don’t think dark slash does

[golden hawk]

Thank you!

[golden hawk]

Got it thank u

[opal leaf]

Ya know let me rephrase what I said about Dante subsume and Pyro

[opal leaf]

Pyrotechnics is better but Dante 3rd works still

[golden hawk]

Sweet, since I'm a returning player I only got Dante for now

[bold elbow]

dis fine ?

[opal leaf]

Damn yall still using Iron Staff??????

Obv

What am I saying

[bold elbow]

its good for farming mr

since u can get three 0 mastery weapons

[opal leaf]

Yee hahahah

[mystic grail]

Any changes i should make to this build?

[opal leaf]

I subsume Wukong's 4 before into roar sooo ya

[opal leaf]

May I ask what enemy levels are you fighting?

[mystic grail]

I usually run 40-50 but i plan on running 60-80 soon

[opal leaf]

Then that build is plenty

It's good

[mystic grail]

Perfect, thanks!

I just need more forma

[opal leaf]

Yup

[wide verge]

Is gauss worth investing in a 20 plat orokin reactor? He is immortal even with this build but I could get some things like viral tempest

[opal leaf]

Very

[wide verge]

Alr il do it. ty for the help man!

[quiet laurel]

yes, you dont need redirection and vigilante vigor btw

[round coral]

hey guys, i'm a excalibur umbra user and i'm looking for a better build. does someone could give me some advise or share their own build please ?

[velvet pulsar]

Heavy spam

[wide verge]

Why?

[opal leaf]

If you wsnt to abuse his recharge more then use Vigilante Vigor

[opal leaf]

Because read Gauss's passive

[quiet laurel]

cause he is immortal with just aegis and fast deflection

[wide verge]

But if I dont have aegis?

[opal leaf]

Oh wait it's Fast Deflection, not Vigilant Vugor

[quiet laurel]

you have aegis equipped

[barren birch]

What’s a good gun for boss melting on divine retribution Nezha?

[wide verge]

But its lvl 0

[quiet laurel]

all you need is lvl 0

[hollow plover]

how good is dante?

[opal leaf]

Still immortak

His 2 can reduce the damage you get

At 100% Redline, you won't get any damage at all

Ezcept for Toxin

[opal leaf]

Immortal as well

[quiet laurel]

thats not how it works

[wide verge]

3% to activate it

[opal leaf]

Ah........ How come it works like that to me tho

[versed harbor]

I mean that is how it works but people dont use his 2 anymore

[eternal prism]

u die after 1 hit level cap enemy

[quiet laurel]

doesnt matter, all you need is for it to proc once

[eternal prism]

2nd gauss useless

[opal leaf]

That doesn't really happen to me tho..... Maybe bc I move a lot hahahaba

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/taiho-shichau-zo-teehee-anime-youre-under-arrest-ova-gif-21342147

[opal leaf]

It is quite helpful Wdym ;~;

[versed harbor]

kinetic plating gives actual 100% damage reduction

[quiet laurel]

when aegis activates, gauss shield recharge delay cap gets removed, which is a bug and makes his shield recharge so fast that you cant take dmg if you take shield dmg

[wide verge]

And the last spot is viral tempest. Is this good build?

[versed harbor]

not saying kinetic plating is good but it does work at cap

[eternal prism]

At the cost of energy. Remind me how much damage level-cap enemies do

[quiet laurel]

no

[versed harbor]

it doesnt cost energy it gives energy

[quiet laurel]

as said remove vigilante vigor and redirection

[wide verge]

swap for?

[quiet laurel]

vigilante vigor does close to nothing and redirection is actually useless

[opal leaf]

No no no

What I meant is 100% kinetic plating can give you no damage at all.... Idk but my shield barely takes anydamage

I need someone to fact check this tbh bc this is ridiculous even I myself am doubting XDDD

[wide verge]

also the 3% doesnt happen very often

[quiet laurel]

what do you want the build to be

[quiet laurel]

all it need is to proc a single time

[opal leaf]

3% is plenty

[summer moon]

It's not just useless, it's harmful because it drains gauss battery.
-0.1% per hit

[eternal prism]

u get one shot anyway

[quiet laurel]

its still worse then the aegis bug cause you need 1/3rd of your redline duration to have this

[wide verge]

Uh thats and hard choice

[eternal prism]

depends enemy damage

[opal leaf]

Not really if you kept running.... Idk why a lot of tennos hating on Gauss 2 tho

[late hemlock]

His 2 just drains battery a ton

[opal leaf]

OK that's understandable

I agree on this

The build up is ridiculous hahahab

[late hemlock]

And since he is invulnerable due to aegis its an easy subsume slot

[eternal prism]

because u received 1 million in damage
ur battery be 0%

and after it u die

[opal leaf]

How come I didn't get my battery drained like hell tho

[quiet laurel]

cause as we have stated several times it harms you and takes 1/3rd of redline duration to be 100% which is a long ass time cause you wanna invest a lot of duration onto gauss

[wide verge]

any helminth ability in mind for gauss?

[eternal prism]

it work only for low level

[versed harbor]

if ur at full redline ur battery is perma 100

cant drop

[opal leaf]

Ah then I'm not a lvl cap guy so I'm good with his 2

[versed harbor]

again not defending gauss 2

[opal leaf]

That's true

[quiet laurel]

for ability spam (sunder dps) roar, for gun AoE spam platform energized munitions, for melees xatas whisper (with thermal transfer and blast infusion)

[opal leaf]

Xata and Nourish is my best guess (optional)

[summer moon]

1 heavy gunner has fire rate around ~12 rps = 1.2% drains per second
and that is the only one enemy

[opal leaf]

Yeah I never had problems with battery depletion tbh

[eternal prism]

(u lost more energy it depends enemy damage)

[opal leaf]

Maybe bc I am just fighting lvl 180 to 300 enemies

But as far as I am concerned I never had battery problems with Gauss bc of me keeping spamming on his cold

I'm a CC Gauss

I spam mostly cold and use Blast sometimes hahaha

[summer moon]

thanks, even worse than i thought

[eternal prism]

In any case, it's instant death as soon as the redline ends.

so it just useless and work only for low level

[wide verge]

Il use roar for the dmg. Il subsume it over what?

[summer moon]

yes, that's it

[quiet laurel]

2

[wide verge]

k

[opal leaf]

At one level in SP tho... I never had problem with lvl 180 to 300 (sometimes 400) enemies

[versed harbor]

cant wait for the aegis fix (never happening)

[timid ivy]

is more than 1 tau equilibrium shard overkill?

[opal leaf]

And I haven't brought Gauss to lvl cap yet sooooo oooo yeah

[eternal prism]

it still can tank by shields

[quiet laurel]

gauss pick rate will drop so hard

[opal leaf]

Ah... Mmm... That's true

[versed harbor]

gauss playerbase will have to actually play the game

[eternal prism]

after 700~ shields be oneshoted

[opal leaf]

700 is the threshold

Taking not3s

[summer moon]

i think they will add a mod as it was with a dragon key

[versed harbor]

lowkey gauss survivability is still good without aegis like cold sunder is crazy good for survivability

[opal leaf]

Hehehe he... CC Gauss is in the House

[quiet laurel]

every good fix brings a bad fix with it so I imagine when cyte sobek gets fixed gauss will also get fixed

[opal leaf]

I built Gauss for CC, no Nuking (only sometimes)

[wide verge]

are shards even needed for gauss?

[opal leaf]

Yes

[eternal prism]

5 parkour ofc

[quiet laurel]

then gauss is gonna be yet another cat shields, double shield recharge platform

[opal leaf]

I have a 1 yellow for casting and red in all in duration

[velvet pulsar]

non-disruptive survivability bug which boosts usage

[wide verge]

Why? im gonna afk

[opal leaf]

But I had more fun with Loki fr fr

[eternal prism]

parkour always good

[summer moon]

1 mod and 1 arcane and u r perfect

[opal leaf]

Uriel with 5 parkour shards

[wide verge]

what should be the last 3 slots

[quiet laurel]

equilibrium

[opal leaf]

More range and dura then equi

Or damage if you want too

[wide verge]

thats actually pretty good idea

[eternal prism]

btw u not need rolling guard

just pick wyrm

[quiet laurel]

overextended, umbral intensify if you go nuke build

rolling guard also not needed btw

[summer moon]

what do you want to do?

[wide verge]

I dont own wyrm. Also it saves me from magnetic

[wide verge]

just for general

[eternal prism]

wyrm save also

wyrm = rolling chad

[opal leaf]

What is the use of rolling gaurd if Loki can just switch teleporting to cleanse status :3

[quiet laurel]

if you are worried about tox procs just go operator rly quick for 90% DR

tox dmg will one shot you anyways

[eternal prism]

operator with vazarin ofc

[opal leaf]

Tbh Loki has some good CC With his damage decoy + Mind Control hahahahaha

I have a new cool CC frame and that is Loki >:3

[wide verge]

this build?

[quiet laurel]

I usually go madurai on gauss cause of faster casting speed on redline

[wide verge]

I am using madurai

[eternal prism]

cast speed shards:
cast speed mods:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1147966476079345674.gif?size=48&name=fishierotate&quality=lossless

[quiet laurel]

5x duration shards fr fr

[eternal prism]

💀

[opal leaf]

Aight gtg to sleep

Cya tennos!

[rough summit]

what should i be trying to get on a nami solo riven?

[eternal prism]

for grol range as electricity -slash

[green gyro]

I like range elec -

[wide verge]

aaa

[rough summit]

thank you

[eternal prism]

crtitcal cascade

[violet silo]

lock in

[wide verge]

I was just testing the immortality and I can say it works very well.

[violet silo]

oh
yeah it does

except for when toxin procs

and magnetic too

[wide verge]

rolling guardd

[timid ivy]

is 1 tau purple enough to remove equilibrium on my xaku

im running diriga with synth

[violet silo]

yep

not on my general use build but yep

[wide verge]

is this my final build for gauss?

[pallid quiver]

3 PSF

[ember condor]

Passable but could be a lot better. Depends on how you want to build him.

[wide verge]

PSF?

[wide verge]

What do you recommend to change?

[pallid quiver]

primed sure footed

[fresh surge]

remove rolling guard

you have fast deflection + aegis you are already immortal

[fresh surge]

why are you trolling this poor tenno

[ember condor]

I lean heavily into a weapons platform build so I dump almost as much as I can into duration since the weapon buffs from Redline scale with duration.

[eternal prism]

magnet off immortal

[ember condor]

But again, it depends on what you want to use him for. He can also be an ability nuke if you build towards range, strength, and (if you have it) equip Archon Vitality.

[fresh surge]

just don't get hit 🤓

[eternal prism]

but i want get hit

[fresh surge]

or max the mag arcane

[ember condor]

Or use Wyrm with the mod that cleanses status effects every few seconds.

[low flax]

is corinth prime worth it over the regular one

[eternal prism]

I already talked about it

[fresh surge]

rev is right there 👴

[eternal prism]

revenant

[wide verge]

Its for magnetic and toxic

[fierce lark]

are you looking for sunder nuke or weapons platform

[fresh surge]

what leves are you doing?

[wide verge]

Cap

[ember condor]

Firstly, ew, Revenant.

Secondly, Gauss is supposed to be getting hit. Kinetic Plating grants energy from taking damage while active.

[fresh surge]

ok fair then

understandable

[wide verge]

I think weapon will be better

[fresh surge]

it's often a subsume slot tho

[fierce lark]

if you're trying to play gauss at cap and aren't ethically coded you subsume kinetic plating and run bugged aegis

[fresh surge]

do you want this gaus to be a weapon platform or nuke?

[ember condor]

I run weapon platform and Kinetic Plating is really good since it buffs melee damage.

[wide verge]

I subsumed kinetic for roar

[fierce lark]

if you try to use kinetic at lvlcap your battery gets annihilated every time something hits you

trying to build redline is 💀

[ember condor]

Sounds like you’re not killing things fast enough.

[fierce lark]

yeah that's not how it works lol

[fresh surge]

oh yea forgot it gives all weapons 100% follow through

[fierce lark]

you will simply get hit by things sometimes, it is not avoidable without stealth/invuln

[wide verge]

Can u send me weapon platform build?

[fresh surge]

i usually use guns tho

[ember condor]

And 100% bonus melee damage.

I can send my weapon platform build when I get home in a bit.

[solemn plaza]

hey guys, how well does a status mesa build works?
i was thinking of running status mesa with cascadia flare & hotshot to buff dual tox

[fresh surge]

base or multi?

[wide verge]

ty

[fierce lark]

xatas over 2

[wide verge]

what about roar?

[ember condor]

Wiki just says 100% melee damage bonus but I could’ve sworn it used to say it doubled base damage.

[fierce lark]

roar works, im using xatas for blast synergy, energized munitions is good too

[midnight citrus]

Is Kuva Ayanga still good?

[fresh surge]

test it 👀

[ember condor]

If I remember to when I get home, sure.

[wide verge]

laetum or phenmor?

[fierce lark]

that is entirely up to you, big fan of both

[opal leaf]

Is less range bad for Gauss?

[fierce lark]

if you're trying to kill things with sunder yes, if not then range is completely ignorable

[opal leaf]

Well just for CC

[fierce lark]

the best cc is death

and gauss is immune to everything that isn't toxin dmg anyway

[opal leaf]

True

Aight

[static sphinx]

Is higasa worth using a catalyst on?

[fierce lark]

it's not the strongest weapon ever but if you like using it then have at it

it's not awful

assuming you have this

[static sphinx]

I certainly don't have it. I'm not sure when I'll get to unlock the steel path.

[eternal prism]

should be sold in the same place as koumea

[static sphinx]

It's only available after unlocking the steel path according to the wiki.

[ember condor]

Just check the shop at the Koumei shrine.

I'm fairly certain Steel Path just increases the amount of fate pearls you get from each mission.

[eternal prism]

😱

[ember condor]

Oh damn, it really is locked behind Steel Path.

Weird design choice.

[ember condor]

This is my weapon platform build. Redirection, Energy Nexus, Sprint Boost, Rush, Stretch, and Arcane Strike can be swapped out for whatever you want.

Very flexible mod setup since a weapon platform Gauss only needs 100% strength and tons of duration.

[quiet laurel]

I wouldnt copy that

[ember condor]

It can be made even stronger with some subsumes and mods but this on its own is already really strong.

[low flax]

hows this look

[quiet laurel]

horrible

[fresh surge]

redirection with fast deflection and aegis?

[quiet laurel]

dont forget the random stretch

and no strength on weapons platform

[fresh surge]

don't see a point in redirect

[quiet laurel]

let alone no subsume

and energy nexus without nourish

[ember condor]

Linked Redirection on my Kavat to surpass 1,200 shields for Reinforced Bond.

[quiet laurel]

and arcane strike when you already have redline

[fresh surge]

i mean if you hard lean for gun-gauss with ammo munition i guess baseline str is "fine"

[quiet laurel]

I dont see energized munitions

(I assume you mean that)

[jovial hatch]

what are the best incaron nodes for the Toxicyst and Torid? (SP build)

[fresh surge]

me too i'm just trying to justify it

[fresh surge]

what kavat are you using?

[ember condor]

Energized Munitions is only needed if you use weapons that don't have good ammo economy. If you were to look up you can see I do have an Energized Munitions build for such occasions.

[lone haven]

yo, my friends, I have a question about railjack parts. When I inspect a part and it doesn't have maxed out stats like those in the wiki, can I fuse them with a different ones to get better stats like with kuva liches weapons for example or not?

[quiet laurel]

yes then base strength is fine

[ember condor]

Vasca Kavat for the conveinient self-res and crit chance to get +1.2 crit mult from Tenacious Bond.

[fresh surge]

vulpaphyla better for self revive

and vulpaphyla has enough shield to use the calculated redirection so you free up a mod slot

[ember condor]

I don't really care about which self-res is better since it's good enough, but this I actually did not know about.

Thanks.

I always thought Wyrm Prime was the only one capable of passing 1,200 shields with Calculated Redirection.

[jovial hatch]

What are the Best Torid Incarnon bonuses?

[ember condor]

Final Fusillade for Evolution 2 and Commodore's Fortune for Evolution 4. Evolution 3 is up to personal preference between projectile speed and increased magazine size in normal form.

Actually, for Evo 2 I think it matters on how much multishot you have. I've admittedly never taken the time to look into how that mechanic works despite how many Incarnon weapons have it.

[ember condor]

I primarily use melee and there aren't really other options for a Warframe arcane that buffs melee weapons.

The only one I could see being a replacement is Arcane Concentration which I do not have maxed out yet.

[ember condor]

Min-maxers will likely say bad because it has no negative but this is good enough.

[ember condor]

Yes.

[lone haven]

how do I do that?

[ember condor]

Lemme check real quick, I haven't touched the Railjack UI in ages.

[eternal prism]

yes

[craggy niche]

https://overframe.gg/build/759335/higasa/higasa-corrosive-cold-and-variants/

[eternal prism]

like kuva weapons

[craggy niche]

It takes significant investment to make it good but its pretty fun

The amalgam on there should be higasa serration

[ember condor]

This button on the bottom right.

IIRC the Railjack parts you're infusing need to be the same tier and manufacturer.

[lone haven]

damn, thank you! I thought I was trippin when I remember there was something like that

[ember condor]

Understandable since there's no indication beyond that tiny button in the corner that Railjack parts can perform Valence Fusion.

And it's placed right next to the scrap button so you're always two misclicks away from accidentally deleting the part.

[barren birch]

Hey yall, I use nezha divine spear pyrotechnics, I was wondering what is a good option for boss damage with this? I’m doing decent against crowds but bosses kinda don’t take much since I can’t spear

[granite ginkgo]

spear doesnt work on boss type

[barren birch]

no shoot, I said as much in the question

[granite ginkgo]

and yet u still mentioned it, reason why nezha is mobbin wf not boss

[barren birch]

Wait I just noticed I left out the word gun

[granite ginkgo]

subsume roar n go weapon platform

[barren birch]

That’s my bad

I shall reiterate the question in a more clear manner: For Nezha spear, what is a decent weapon option for boss damage that makes it so I’m not doing nothing

[ember condor]

Any weapon thats normally good for bosses should work. What weapon type do you prefer?

[granite ginkgo]

very mannered

eye rolled

1. incarnon
2. genesis incarnon
3. nataruk

[barren birch]

I’m fine with any weapon type, just unsure what weapons are good for bosses

[granite ginkgo]

for normal run boss might cause ur build firstly. work best w faction mod

in SP need galv mods

[ember condor]

Lots of weapons are good for bosses. There isn't really any way to narrow that down without spending hours listing every good weapon.

[barren birch]

I’ve got the mats for galvs so

I mean I guess toss in a rifle of some kind? I’ve got cedo prime, would have to build up Nataruk, but wouldn’t mind something auto

[granite ginkgo]

did u equip roar or esclipse, or similar weapon buffin capabilities? like bonds mods etc

[ember condor]

Cedo is automatic.

[barren birch]

Isn’t a rifle tho

Something with a bit more range since abilities kinda fall flat on bosses with my setup

[granite ginkgo]

cedo is automatic rifle, worth investment u go full galv (dmg per element stack)

[barren birch]

Bond mods as in aura’s?

[granite ginkgo]

it normal fire does similar like condition overload

[ember condor]

It's not but it can be used like one besides using shotgun mods instead of rifle mods.

[granite ginkgo]

pets

we got bond mod for pet and robotic (sentinel)

there 1 increase crit dmg per shield

[eternal prism]

just take what u want
what problem

[barren birch]

current mod setup for smeeta

[granite ginkgo]

just momentous??

[ember condor]

Cedo is an incredibly powerful weapon overall, spreading tons of status everywhere with the alt-fire and having condition overload baked into it which can be stacked with Galvanized Savvy for even more ludicrous damage.

[barren birch]

cedo build

[barren birch]

I might be modded wrong then

[granite ginkgo]

my bad it based on pet crit, for cd dmg

[lean tendon]

For bosses, you typically want weapons modded with no conditionals like Galvanized mods assuming the boss fight itself doesn't have any way of stacking conditionals.

[granite ginkgo]

or boss that cant proc element per shot

[eternal prism]

All game bosses die from the great zephyr😎

[ember condor]

What Astraye means is bosses that don't have minions to build stacks for Galvanized mods. Cedo is still a good option due to its baked in GunCO that doesn't require kills to function.

[low flax]

I see crit and multishot im happy

[barren birch]

gotcha, so is there something I should be changing or is it just "galv won't really build up"

[low flax]

also apparently its got a fairly slow reload so more capacity is just nice

[eternal prism]

for \crit phenmor

[low flax]

but I dont want to use the phenmor

[eternal prism]

u want

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1147966476079345674.gif?size=48&name=fishierotate&quality=lossless

[ember condor]

Point blank can go since Cedo already has a damage buff from its baked in GunCO and stacking flat damage buffs has diminishing returns.

[barren birch]

ahhh, anything specific I should slot or?

[granite ginkgo]

for start max rank ur galv mod first, huge diff w max rank

[low flax]

personally I use shotgun barrage to make up for critical deceleration

[ember condor]

Shotgun Barrage for fire rate.

Replied to wrong message but right person.

[lean tendon]

Any conditionals that you cannot stack during the boss fight. galvanized mods are just the most common example since you need to kill enemies to stack it and boss fights don't have mobs most of the time.

[barren birch]

credits and endo, the lifelong struggle

[violet silo]

and forma

[barren birch]

oh I've got plenty of that rn

[ember condor]

The normal version of the Galvanized mods are technically slightly better in such occasions but the difference in the passive effect is so small that most players don't bother using them even in situations where you can't get stacks.

[granite ginkgo]

using the middle mouse click, u can select all duplicate n exchange for endo - as for cred index or profit taker is fastest

[violet silo]

I actually have six right now, so I’m not really in trouble for them

[lean tendon]

The effect isn't "small" at all.

[barren birch]

Small vs Negligible

That’s the info I need

[lean tendon]

You can't stack them so you have way weaker stats and in return way weaker damage

[barren birch]

It could be 20% less damage but if the boss dies 5 seconds later I’m not crying

[ember condor]

More like 0.1 seconds later since the reduction in the passive part of Galvanized mods from their normal variants is negligible.

[cursive peak]

Yeah... the health phase of basically every boss is 1-2 seconds even with galv mods... it's really almost irrelevant

[ember condor]

Like Hell's Chamber is 120% multishot and Galvanized Hell is 110%. In no situation would you notice a difference in performance with no stacks.

[quiet laurel]

both

[ember condor]

Both.

[ruby perch]

why, isnt status additive?

[scarlet forum]

Just got kulva grattler

[lean tendon]

For example, Galvanized Aptitude is effectively a dead mod in boss fights without mobs. If you put Serration then you will actually do damage.

Big difference in damage output

[quiet laurel]

status dmg

[scarlet forum]

There are boss fights?

[abstract axle]

I think its relevant to split the galv mods into two piles for this. some galvanized mods, the status ones especially, are only ran because of the stacking effect

[fresh surge]

it is but you care about the status dmg part

[scarlet forum]

Oh yea the tank and that one murmur freak

[ember condor]

Fair point.

[ember condor]

Don't forget Janus Captain Vor.

[ruby perch]

if i add both, then what should i replace? reach or organ?

[scarlet forum]

Oh yea the hardest boss in the game that you always fight

[lean tendon]

Galv chamber is 80%

[ruby perch]

dont want to remove quickening

[cursive peak]

Still haven't seen a boss last longer than 15 seconds a phase with galv mods...

[quiet laurel]

organ shatter

[ruby perch]

does prime reach affect incarnon daggers?

[ember condor]

I said the wrong mod name, sorry. I meant Galvanized Hell.

[fierce lark]

i dont think it affects their projectiles but it does affect the melee attack's range

even if it does affect the waves it's not worth running just for those

i run it on innodem

it's completely optional though, going from 5m to 8m is mostly for fun

[lean tendon]

And it isn't "small" at all. Gundition Overload mods are effectively dead mods in boss fights without mobs. That's why Serration or equivalent to it is better. The Multishot mods you can argue are "small".

[ember condor]

In this specific case it's not relevant if Coolcolinc is still talking about Cedo.

[lean tendon]

It's still a big damage difference

[fierce lark]

swap the arcane for anything else that does something. blight, frostbite, shotgun vendetta, hell even crux

base dmg arcanes on cedo are useless

[lean tendon]

Would you rather run cedo with a dead mod or run it with a mod that will boost your damage

[barren birch]

Sadly have none yet

[fierce lark]

pain

[ember condor]

Point Blank is +90% damage, Primed is +165% damage. Cedo's baked in GunCO gives +60% per unique status on the target. A measly 3 status effects outperforms Primed Point Blank on Cedo and stacking flat damage buffs have severe diminishing returns.

[barren birch]

Razer he’s talking about galv I think

[lean tendon]

But gunco is multiplicative on Point Blank?

[fierce lark]

it's not

not on cedo at least

[ember condor]

It's not.

[fierce lark]

it's multiplicative on the impact dmg from the alt fire but that's hardly anything

[lean tendon]

My bad I meant the alt fire

[novel bear]

Main cedo damage is the primary fire

[fierce lark]

that doesn't do enough damage to warrant a buildaround

[novel bear]

The alt is for priming

[ember condor]

Cedo Alt-Fire does little to no damage. It's just for priming.

[fierce lark]

the altfire is a glaive that you can only shoot once at a time and can't use again until it comes back and you recall it, which also takes time

even if you can get it to do damage numbers, the fire rate on it is very slow and the explosion doesn't get any CO at all, only the impact damage iirc

[novel bear]

Yep

[barren birch]

this has spiraled and im so lost so I'ma just go and try and get credits o-o

[lean tendon]

I see, but isn't it still better to run Point Blank rather than Savvy on bosses?

[fierce lark]

it should go without saying that if you're primarily using a weapon for killing bosses, you don't put galv CO on it

[ember condor]

Understandable lol.

[barren birch]

See it doesn't that's why I asked I just am doing my best and everyone makes me feel stupid when I ask questions

[fierce lark]

not on cedo, the passive gives you at east 2 ppbs worth of damage on its own most of the time

[fierce lark]

anyone who deliberately makes you feel stupid is stupid, you don't learn by not asking

[lean tendon]

So instead of savvy, you just run something else other than point blank?

Or do you still run savvy for the status chance anyways

[abstract axle]

status chance isn't worth the slot, against bosses, stick to point blank

[fierce lark]

if im looking up at his build, for specifically bosses id replace the elements with viral heat, & savvy/pb for fire rate + magnetic

which is a lot of fire rate but hey we like shooting fast

[barren birch]

which ones should I replace?

[fierce lark]

specifically 90 virals 90 heat assuming this is a boss with status cap like a lot of them have

[barren birch]

to this

[lean tendon]

Got it, I'm ngl I thought Cedo alt fire is the burst damage and you use primary fire to prime. It's the other way around. At the very least I am right about savvy being not good on bosses.

[winged nebula]

Guys anyone has updated Cyte-09 build for cascade Level cap

[fierce lark]

decel, ravage, hell (either), magnetic strafe

either tox mod, either cold mod, incendiary coat, and then the last slot can honestly be anything. shotgun barrage, cleanse, atomic fallout, w/e

[fierce lark]

it really depends on the boss. some bosses have adds, some don't

galvco lasts 20s per stack so if there's the odd enemy coming out every now and then it's still good

[lean tendon]

Yeah I mentioned that earlier as well

[fierce lark]

also primary merciless is completely useless for the same reason (on top of being bad on cedo in general)

if you do like the cedo and plan on using it long term, i would strongly suggest getting primary blight or frostbite (frostbite easier)

[ember condor]

Most important thing has been said right there. Depends on the boss. It's not really possible to make an effective 'one size fits all' weapon for bosses.

[fierce lark]

nah it is, just make stackless enervate overwhelming laetum

🙃

[velvet pulsar]

🙂

[abstract axle]

this is 4 build. To swap for general purpose/sobek shenanigans, just drop overextended for anything, and precision for umbral intensify, also highly recommend a careen on your melee. 5 tau violets is needed as well

[ember condor]

I was about to agree and then went WAITAMINUTE.

[fierce lark]

deletes bosses deletes acolytes deletes trash has aoe has everything

it's so strong that i feel obligated to put pfulm on it because nothing else feels like it even helps

[novel bear]

Not crux?

[velvet pulsar]

Crux has more options to shine

[fierce lark]

some bosses have weird weak points (or none)

but then some bosses are status immune

[velvet pulsar]

Let the rare ones take spotlight where they can.

[novel bear]

The larkspur

[fierce lark]

tbh just don't use cedo against status immune bosses lul

[ember condor]

I've heard of the infinite Enervate bug but why with Overwhelming Attrition? That can only proc on hits that are not a crit and don't inflict status. What am I missing?

[velvet pulsar]

Blast

Blast counts as a hit

[novel bear]

And doesn’t crit, and doesn’t have a status chance

[fierce lark]

it allows you to build crit laetum which is numerically better as long as you can keep it stacked

and laetum can keep it stacked quite easily, very high output = lots of shots to land, some of them will keep the buff refreshed

[ember condor]

Oh.

Oh.

[velvet pulsar]

...and boosts enervate stacking

...because it counts as another hit without consuming enervate stack.

[fierce lark]

i still think blast on aoe weapons is redundant, i just run corro heat

[ember condor]

But wouldn't all of that still be bad(ish) on modern bosses due to damage attenuation? Or was the damage attenuation nerf much bigger than I thought?

[fierce lark]

damage attenuation was basically deleted from the game lol

or severely dialed back where it does still exist

[velvet pulsar]

Some people prefer the synergy rather than the maximization

Are the hard mode bosses still the same? Heard they felt unchanged

[ember condor]

I think it varies based on what boss you're up against.

I imagine the secret superbosses would still be around the same after the nerf.

[velvet pulsar]

Every attenuation other than hard mode bosses are not a big deal anymore

Unfortunately DE is giving too much priority to those niche content over the rest of the game.

[abstract axle]

secret bosses just take forever regardless

[ember condor]

I haven't really noticed since I've long stopped doing most missions with bosses that have damage attenuation such as Archon Hunts.

[velvet pulsar]

Big noticable change will be legacytes & scaldra dedicants

(also techrot babau)

[ember condor]

Dedicants had it outright removed from them, and thank god for that. I don't know how they ever got approved to have stronger attentuation than the Fragmented One.

[velvet pulsar]

A leech eximus Techrot Babau was almost unkillable in a squad.

[ember condor]

Seriously, I still clearly remember when my entire squad was unloading everything onto a single Dedicant and its health bar wasn't even moving.

[velvet pulsar]

They had attenuation on damage received but not on health healed.

They received flat dmg but % heal.

[ember condor]

I also remember that. Rogue Necramechs had the same problem.

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah they did

And then it didn't help when DE turned them into VIP bosses so certain one-shot abilities stopped working.

[ember condor]

Like, I can understand damage attentuation being added because we are too powerful but at every possible turn it was overused, overtuned, had an oversight, or any combination of the three.

[velvet pulsar]

Biggest problem is they kept doubling down on it.

[abstract axle]

The real problem with attenuation is that they never applied it cleanly. So some weapons/frames were largely unaffected, while other strats got completely deleted

[ember condor]

I think Overguard was responsible for that, not attenuation.

[velvet pulsar]

Everytime we as a community found a way to bypass it, they kept patching it.

They didn't even take a hint why the community keeps bending the game mode into their will because player flexibility is the way people have fun. Forcing your own playstyle as a DEveloper on players, specially if that is boring to majority of the players, will not help your game mode.

[abstract axle]

I mean attenuation is attempting to create a boss that doesn't get one shot by established players, without completely gear checking new players

[velvet pulsar]

I think what the OP meant was, you didn't gain the proportional advantage of the amount of investment u made into a build.

Your build investment didn't scale well with the damage output.

[fierce lark]

attenuation would set a limit on damage, and adjust it based on the damage per second you were putting out

but it wasn't factoring in crits, and it didn't take affect until you started shooting

thats why the kuva hek was the gun for killing archons and liches

[velvet pulsar]

They did the same with arcane persistence too, desperately nerfed it before realising it was bugged for clients, and now it is helpless against certain acolyte unless u have silence subsume or u kill it before your health get one-shot.

[abstract axle]

What I meant was their implementation meant time to kill had a lot more to do with what you were using, than how well it was built. low rate of fire weapons had horrible attenuation dps regardless

[velvet pulsar]

Same reason why Octavia was good against 60 eyes.

[abstract axle]

is persistence reliably bugged for clients?

[fierce lark]

it wasn't low fire rate that was bad, it was low projectile count

[velvet pulsar]

It's bugged to give "cap per instance" rather than cap per second, yes.

[abstract axle]

sorry, to be more clear, low hit instance

[fierce lark]

kuva hek altfire shoots once every like 3 seconds lol

but it shoots 80+ projectiles in one shot that all did high damage with high crit, so it was ignoring attenuation entirely and oneshotting bosses

[abstract axle]

damn, I thought it felt worse, is there a plan to fix this?

[velvet pulsar]

It's in Known Issues list.

So yes.

However it's still as horribly designed as Empowered Blades:

"The negative exists all the time, but the positive is only conditional."

[ember condor]

I think damage attenuation could make a comeback if DE put much more time and effort into refining it and for the love of god don't put it on common foot soldiers ever again. DEDICANTS.

[wild rune]

attenuated dedicants my beloathed

[static sphinx]

By the time I obtain all of that prime higasa will be released.

Thanks anyway

[coral crest]

You got two to three years

[clever hemlock]

is this good?

[craggy niche]

Its a little forma demanding but most good things are

The build guides are just recommendations, you just use the lesser versions of stuff you dont have until you can afford the better stuff

Primed shred would be flexi in that case as would the primed elemental and the vigilante supplies

The rest is pretty basic stuff you can get pre steel path just by existing lol

[wide verge]

he seems sad

[thorn oak]

what do people use universal fallout for

[earnest saddle]

oberon, nyx, qorvex, any frame that can reliably spread radiation

[ember condor]

It was also used to begin the surge of Qorvex propaganda when it first came out.

[nocturne thicket]

Thoughts on using triple umbral with this build? I’m trying to max out damage with gastro that’s why archon continuity is there

[haughty glade]

I have a Tenet Plinx and working on getting it up to level 40. Is there a good build to make it the best that it can be?

[craggy niche]

You'd probably be better off without equilibrium and going with a couple violet shards

As far as triumbral goes its expensive but worth is in the person using its eyes lol

[late hemlock]

Plinx is bugged with pistol acuity leading to some very very very stupid numbers

So thats generally the preferred route for the weapon combined with gunco

[quiet laurel]

this has been patched months ago

[late hemlock]

Was it?

[quiet laurel]

multi acuity is no longer a thing

[late hemlock]

Huh didnt know, never used the thing

[eternal prism]

even not crit phenmor

[craggy niche]

Also archon continuity only affects enemies you hit directly with the projectiles so its up to you whether or not its worth it, overextended and blind rage are both bad ideas as Grendel doesn't need alot of strength but efficiency is important because everything Grendel does is expensive.

To hit full strip you only need 136 strength with corrosive projection on Grendel so literally just having bellicose will achieve that but you would probably want precision intensify or umbral if you want the extra boost to your other skills

[lean tendon]

No Equilibrium is fine and using Blind Rage is fine

[craggy niche]

Completely not neccesary on Grendel

Nothing he does needs particularly high strength and hes got nourish built in which pretty much covers energy even without shards or equil.

Especially if youre not burning double the energy

[gleaming vapor]

alr my personal rankings for arcanes on regulators, blue just means its gimicky, and im assuming you guys can figure out the rest of the colors

do we have any objections

[lean tendon]

Blind Rage is there so you can use Overextended

And still hit Regurgitate break point

[craggy niche]

No need to even take the hit from that corrupted mod to begin with

[lean tendon]

Negative efficiency is fine because of nourish

[craggy niche]

Not when it costs you literally needing equil

[lean tendon]

You don't need equil

[craggy niche]

My way is fine too. Youre not god pipe down lol

All you do is argue with people if they dont agree with you lol. I appreciate your insight but do not require or agree with it in this scenario.

[lean tendon]

I'm not saying your way is not fine, I am just saying using Blind Rage and no Equilibrium is fine.

[craggy niche]

Oh my bad

I take back what I said before lol its been a long day at work

Little bitey 🤣

[lean tendon]

In no way, shape of form, did I say your feedback is wrong

More like I added options

As for no Equilibrium it depends on how you want to abuse Nourish

[craggy niche]

My bad dude I jumped the gun 👍

[lean tendon]

Either Violet shard or Hunter Adrenaline

[craggy niche]

But yeah i use and love Grendel hes cool as hell but I use his whole kit. Kinda fun rolling around just vomiting on people lol

[lean tendon]

The triple Umbra Grendel is also a build I have been seeing since Grendel base stats actually make use of it well

But it's kind of expensive

[craggy niche]

He was gonna be my triumbral but my wisp needed a umbral this time around so next nightwave it is lol

I run biumbral nourish wisp, not everyone's favorite option but I like to stack bellicose with MA

[lean tendon]

Personally I like Triumbral + Hunter Adrenaline + Persistence

[craggy niche]

On wisp?

[lean tendon]

No on Grendel

[craggy niche]

Oh yeah ill get there lol

[lean tendon]

But Blind Rage + Overextended combo is also valid especially since Triumbral build needs 3 umbra forma

Hunter Adrenaline pretty much replaces Equilibrium

Or violet archon shard

Nourish just makes the energy economy much easier

Wtf is happening to my net recently...

Also seen people do like 4 emerald tauforged archon shard nuke build

But maybe that's too much idk but it looks fun

[cedar root]

got this riven today, any builds i can copy?

[eternal prism]

how much inc furis have cc?

[cedar root]

inc cc is around 26

without mods

[sour gyro]

Anyone have a savage silence ash build?

[craggy niche]

i should try to reroll this but i spent 165000 cuva to get there

[opal leaf]

Silence ash?...

[craggy niche]

also i'm running this exclusively on wisp who runs nourish

[sour gyro]

Yeah

[fierce lark]

savage silence adds a multiplier to finishers on silenced enemies iirc

it’s real

[opal leaf]

Ohhhhhhhhhh

[sour gyro]

Yeah idk what mods to use or arcanes, I don't play ash

[opal leaf]

I just use WA on ash and I got sooooo confused when I heard Silence

[sour gyro]

I'm putting WA on his second config

[opal leaf]

OK ash do range, strength and dura

On his shadow... Go Pure finisher damage

[fierce lark]

yeah it’s a base 300% finisher dmg which scales with strength and multiplies with other sources of finisher dmg

should be leaps and bounds better than WA

[sour gyro]

Thisi is what I have so far, I need to forma and stuuff still

[fierce lark]

with the caveat of having to cast silence

[sour gyro]

Besides theh silence augment, what should I add or change?

[opal leaf]

In my opinion..... You don't need PSF on ash... Considering how agile he is... Just roll over the shockwaves while invisible

At least that's what I do with Ash and Loki when they are near

[sour gyro]

I'll test it out, could do a drift mod maybe and move that polarity down for something like rolling guard

[opal leaf]

Do power drift if you are worried on knockback

[sour gyro]

Should I take out precision intensify?

[opal leaf]

I.... Hmmm... Never used precision Intensify with Him as far as I know

It doesn't work

[green ocean]

I don't know what to put in my final slot, I can change the polarity if needed. Idk if I should put archon vitality for more survivability and heat procs since I'm using corrosive heat on my regulators or more strength or whatever. I need help

here are the regulators

I know I don't have a secondary arcane, I need to unlock steel path but I'm procrastinating doing all the annoying missions. But for the sake of the build, pretend like I have both the slot and any arcane there

[wise spear]

i do not play mesa but i think i can give a good shot

so for the secondary arcane maybe enervate cause crit chance and for the slot id say archon vitality or adaptation

adaptation is better for this

[green ocean]

I heard enervate on regulators isn't that big of a damage increase, but for the mod slot on mesa, why do you think adaptation is better than vitality?

[wise spear]

its damage reduction instead of more health and goes up to 90 percent if its maxed

also it procs with sheilds and oversheilds too

[green ocean]

yeah but archon vitality gives more heat dmg which I like 'cause hotshot and (in the future) topaz archon shards

[late galleon]

any hildryn players can tell me if this is good for starting on hildryn? i dnt have all the primed mods yet, do too me bein more knew to the game

[eternal prism]

sec arcana best is outburst

[green ocean]

14k base corrosive dmg 💀

[wise spear]

if you want to do more damage sure but if youre staying in a long mission adaptation is good, if you have a way to get more armour on mesa along with the increased HP that would be swell

[wise spear]

hildryn does not seem fun to me imma be so real rn

[green ocean]

howwww, she's literally iron man bruh. Unlimited duration flight, completely unkillabe tank that stuns enemies with her sheer aura and shoots iron man lazers that vaporize anything in milliseconds? She's probably top 3 frames in the game as well in terms of how broken she is. Which someone most people still haven't realized despite it being months since she became broken

[wise spear]

broken doesent mean fun

[green ocean]

Well she's still iron man, and iron man is cool. Look at a clip of hildryn gameplay and then a clip of iron man from marvel rivals or something. Same character

[wise spear]

kullervo is broken and hes my main, the reason he is fun is because he takes skill to actually play hildryn is just look around and shoot

also hes VERY close to being unkillable with arcane persistance and his second ability augment

[green ocean]

well... if you use the 2 augment on kullervo he take somewhere between 0% and 1% effort to play. You just find a group of enemies and press 2 and you get a rhino iron skin for no reason. And then you can just press 1 every minute or so for like 800 billion melee crit chance. And then you just run around with guaranteed red crits while being unkillable and hold left click with any melee weapon...

at least with hildryn you need to aim a little bit and use your 2 to refill energy and cleanse statuses :p

besides, compared to Lavos every frame in the game is no skill. That guy, while cool, is literally harder than playing through the fire and flame on the shawzin bruh

[wise spear]

nonsense

you can use the 1 on kullervo as a movement tool its an instant teleport

the 4 is constant combo count increase

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1202303293146013738/1241886904744542299/attachment.gif

[wise spear]

the 2 augment procs blast and slash you can use that to help with blast procs on enemies

also also, i made a MESSED up build

[eternal prism]

inst 2nd augment give overguard?

[wise spear]

it does, it also procs slash on dagger impact

[green ocean]

or you can, idk, press 1 and 2, hold left click with any melee weapon and still oneshot everything WITHOUT coping

[green ocean]

yes it gives you like 70k overguard 💀

[wise spear]

normal 2nd ability gives overguard and the cap isnt increased

[eternal prism]

not matter how much it give

[wise spear]

i play with 310 ability strength i max out at 38k idk what yall are talking about

its capped

[green ocean]

no but it makes it way easier to proc since you press it whenever and just run into enemies while you melee them

[mighty flare]

This is okay yeah

Do you have fulmination?

[wise spear]

instead of having to constantly spam 2 and do that

[green ocean]

that's crazy because I've literally seen flats get 48k with a beginner build in star chart while having no clue what he's doing

[wise spear]

maybe he had a dante on his team or smthn or an external buff

[green ocean]

if he had a dante on his team he'd have had 200k

speaking off, nerf dante

[green ocean]

btw can you go up to my mesa build and give your opinion on what I should put in the last slot? I can't decide

[eternal prism]

tier augment good if u not kill range

for crowd control

or some more str for base damage 4nd

u can test both

[craggy niche]

lol i just unveiled a vinquibus

[wise spear]

i remade the build better than it was

[eternal prism]

delete riven

[craggy niche]

why would i delete it lol it's a riven for one of the newest weapons lmao

strange man

[wise spear]

i hate this build so much just looking at it pains me

[eternal prism]

i want so

I even forgot that I have furis incarnon. wasting platinum on forms again

https://tenor.com/view/комару-игрушка-злой-komaru-toy-gif-8973409093548285779

[green ocean]

what the helly is that build. Go buy Steel Charge and Corrosive projection from the nightwave right now and put either one of them on. Then, swap continuity for primed continuity cause why not. You def don't need that much range so swap overxtended and augur reach (you don't need the augur mods on kullervo) for more duration so you don't have to spam or more strength, maybe one of both. And then swap your arcanes, or at least truclence, for either strike if you're using a melee with low attack speed or fury if you just want more dmg. Do all that and your build won't burn my eyes anymore

[wise spear]

the point of this build is alot of slash procs

to use expidate suffering which i put in place of wrathful advance

[green ocean]

removing wrathful advance on kullervo... agh... my heart... I think I'm dying...

https://tenor.com/view/rick-grimes-twd-the-walking-dead-rick-grimes-coma-gif-1227282216097103455

[lean tendon]

Caster Mosquito Kullervo build goes hard

[sour gyro]

What should I replace it with?

[wise spear]

this is my normal build btw

arcane fury damage is multiplicitave on syam thats why i run it

[late galleon]

trying to get

[late galleon]

i mean im not quick shoting im using charge shot n 4, so its 41k

[opal leaf]

I really dont know, but smth range or duration mod

[eternal prism]

cat meat is typing

[mighty flare]

archon vitality is a meager dps increase for mesa's regulators cuz they have little dot dps, you could add adaptation to ehp tank, or something like catalyzing shields if you're not
i like some range with muzzle flash for qol

the regulator build was fine for what you have rn

[eternal prism]

secret mesa regulators outburst

[acoustic bluff]

Professional

[eternal prism]

secret mesa encumber?🍴

[acoustic bluff]

You should consider your choices in life

[eternal prism]

revenant torid furis

[acoustic bluff]

Good

[eternal prism]

☠️

[eternal prism]

i want furis blast

what we should do with that

[green ocean]

idk, I feel like the 95% from 3 and the cleanse from Rolling guard is enough

[craggy niche]

lmao two crazy ass rivens in one roll

[eternal prism]

enough for what

[craggy niche]

the akstileto is whatever but the aeolak is a pretty good rifle

[mighty flare]

do you want to ehp tank? you could try muzzle flash for extra cc

[eternal prism]

for survive?

[green ocean]

survivability

[eternal prism]

for hp tank maybe

for sg no

[green ocean]

I wanna stack my hotshot faster 'cause the status chance on the regulators are sooo low and the extra hp is nice against toxin dmg so you have more time to use rolling guard if it's on cooldown

[vague cape]

where can i find the best octavia builds

[green ocean]

spotify

[eternal prism]

(tox damage one shot u if level enemy enough)

[vague cape]

haha

[eternal prism]

There's nothing stopping you from using the build without hotshot and not stacking hotshot if you don't want to

[green ocean]

besides if I want mussle flash I'd need to redo the whole build since I have 34 range and you want over 100% range for it to be good

[mighty flare]

then you can slot vitality with adaptation over continuity/narrow minded/transient, you don't really need that much str/dur on mesa

[green ocean]

you don't NEED it, but since you can't cast other abilites during your 4 and I prefer to stay in it, hence why I use waltz, I like duration so I don't need to recast my 1, 2 and 3 as often for the buffs. Also the duration decreases the energy drain on the 4th which also helps with staying in it longer. And strength is just nice 'cause it gives more raw dmg on your regulators and bigger dmg buff from shooting gallery and nourish. IF I find myself dying a lot I guess I'll have to give in and maybe slot adaptation over archon vitality since they're the same polarity but we'll see

[hollow panther]

Anyone have a good kit gun build?

[mighty flare]

which one?

[hollow panther]

Any

I need to know what parts would be good

[long portal]

the classic crit secondary kitgun is sporelacer haymaker splat

[mighty flare]

Primaries: Tremor + Splat

• Vermisplicer wants Macro Thymoid
• Tombfinger can run fire rate parts (Brash/Palmaris) if doing charged shots
  Secondaries: Haymaker + Splat/Macro Thymoid

[hollow panther]

Thanks

[tidal parrot]

building up a sunika kubrow to do some silly stuff with koumei n im a bit lost for what to put in the last slot, im think pack leader since something something glaive heavy attack spam but im not sure if theres something that im also just missing

[fierce lark]

i think tombfinger is the only one that's better as a primary

[fierce lark]

can swap animal instinct for reinforced bond and add redirection if you want the fire rate buff

[opal leaf]

Oof great question

Does Mecha style work on Koumei?

[tidal parrot]

her 1 applies everything but like ips basically so yea

[opal leaf]

So in short Impetus would work as well

[tidal parrot]

on the build alrdy

[opal leaf]

I'm preparing for CC Koumei

[craggy niche]

are either of these worth rolling?

[opal leaf]

I would say so

I saw a lot in North American Region who wants to buy those

[tidal parrot]

yea i saw that, im not really willing to drop the Primed animal instinct just cuz QoL mod, how important is savagery for the sunika kubrow cuz that was smthn that looked like it wasnt super crazy that i think i could probably drop no?

[fierce lark]

i genuinely have no idea, it doesn't look very useful on paper but if it does a melee attack worth of damage to all enemies on every cast, it's probably pretty strong

[craggy niche]

YOOOOOOO

WTTFFF

sorry for riven spam i'm focusing on unveling tonight lol

honestly not even mad about the fire rate lmao this is fine

[quiet laurel]

cope

[craggy niche]

jealousy don't look good on you

🧂

[quiet laurel]

calling mid rivens cope is jealousy now?

[tidal parrot]

looking at how it seems to work based on letting the sunika wail on some stuff with/without it, it looks like basically the equivilent of a excal slash dash with a cap to how many enemies it can teleport to

[craggy niche]

cry more

imagine having nothing better going on in your life than ragebaiting the warframe official discord server builds discussion channel

[quiet laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebaited-ragebait-rage-bait-rage-baited-guaracord-gif-1491053584965813827

stating facts fr

[tidal parrot]

-fire rate on the dual tox is kinda not great

[craggy niche]

it's not bad 🤷 not with the positives this one carries

worth two mods i'm not too bothered by putting a fire rate mod on

if it even needs it tbh

[tidal parrot]

i mean have you used the dual tox? it takes like 210% fire rate for base mode not to feel egregious especially considering you need atleast a few headshots to charge incarnon (like 2 or 3 but still)

[quiet laurel]

one shot per uhhhhh

uhhhhhhh

[tidal parrot]

-50% ish will result in like 1 shot every 2 seconds before other fire rate mods

base it has 1 shot a second

[eternal prism]

its bad

[craggy niche]

yee like i said tho i'm not too bothered by putting a fr to cancel out the negatives

[craggy niche]

you're bad

[eternal prism]

for dual tox u need fire rate 100%

[quiet laurel]

if you need mods to cancel out rivens the riven is not good

[tidal parrot]

ok but its not cancling out the negative, its actively lowering your fire rate

there are sometimes some cases where a negative can be mitigated but putting minus fire rate on the weapon that fires once in a blue moon is not a great idea

[craggy niche]

this should be the opposite thinking tbh but to each their own lol

most weapons that fire fast need to fire fast

[tidal parrot]

its not, its a stat you want and you are actively lowering it so builds that want to fire fast will fire faster and kill stuff quicker than you will because your using a neg fire rate

[craggy niche]

i was just excited that i got a dual toxy riven you neckbeards

chill out lmfao jesus christ wf community is toxic

ya'll act like kuva is finite

[tidal parrot]

thats fine but thats not what your saying, you are actively saying "this riven is good with a negligable negative" and we are saying its not a neglagible negative

[quiet laurel]

so toxic fr

[craggy niche]

it can literally be cancelled out by a fire rate mod
I'm saying i'm not bothered by it 🤷

[lean tendon]

To be fair, that negative fire rate is almost equivalent to the Reinforced Bond mod.

For personal use, it's fine since you can cancel it out but for selling, people will buy that at the lowest price possible for Dual Tox since it will be considered a "trash roll".

People would rather have 54% more fire rate than 54% less fire rate since the point of Rivens is to min-max stats and save mod slots as much as possible.

Either way, if you're just using it for yourself it's fine.

Oh it's not 54, but 51.9%

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/winkythedwarfcat-winky-cat-sad-tired-gif-6471914036130722371

[craggy niche]

i don't see many with that level of multishot either plus being as this can just go right over the top of crit mod i do not see it as a problem running and extra fr mod

personally i guess

[lean tendon]

Yeah if it's just personal use it's fine. But put it in the market and everyone will buy it at the lowest standard price since it's a "trash roll" by community standards.

It is what it is. You can always just roll it anyways.

[craggy niche]

actually yeah the highest ranked one on othere is only 144 multishot that's actually crazy

[lean tendon]

Personally I would use that riven since I mostly use Dual Tox on Volt.

[craggy niche]

it's actually got higher crit chance than any of the auctions on there too

207cc vs this one's 268

[tidal parrot]

ok, i dont think you understand what im saying though.

base tox without the negative will get a total of 210% fire rate (no bond mod) likely between lethal torrent and the unique trait.

you will get 160%ish with no bond mod.

if both use bond mod then no riven is at 270% more fire rate and your at about 220ish which is slightly more than people who arent using the bond mod and they have more flexibility with their loadout

imagine if it was multishot instead of fire rate. same thing, your already modding multishot onto the weapon but your lowering your maximum multishot vs builds that dont have as much.

the mod gives less multishot than smthn like galv diffusion (230 multishot) and galv coross hairs gives 320 crit chance. if you got the multishot and some + fire rate then you could easily slot it over lethal torrent for a strict upgrade to the mod but it doesnt really "upgrade" any of the already slotted on mods.

not to mention your also getting some multishot from the incarnon evo 2 as well.

is it a horrible riven? no. is it a really good riven? not really.

[lean tendon]

It's because it's 2+1- which iirc will give higher stats distribution compared to 3+1-

But the reason why 3+1- is preferred is you get one more stat compared to 2+1- and the stat difference gets cancelled out due to that +1 stat

Or something like that

[craggy niche]

having a dual tox riven in general is good

[lean tendon]

That is true

[craggy niche]

also i know how modded stats works. still relatively unbothered by it

thank you for the explanation tho

[lean tendon]

At worst you can just sell it for like 300-400p trash roll

Or just roll it until you get a good 3+1-

[eternal prism]

dams furis damage...

Okay, it's not for nothing that I put so many forms

now i want riven for that

[craggy niche]

i got this one for my supra to roll out last night and i was honestly super stoked lol. probs not great by comm standards but it complements the weapon well and saves me a serration slot

i've gotta get one of these now to try it out ♿

[eternal prism]

I accidentally found furis incarnon on the shelf, so
just swap tox mod

if u have viral sources just swap elment to corr

[static sphinx]

Is it complete trash?

[eternal prism]

maybe check market

[random prawn]

Opinions on the Mag Prime build?

[torn karma]

Wow is this the mobile interface

Never saw it before

[cedar root]

does anyone have a furis inc build

[craggy niche]

IS THE thalys a good weapon?

[fierce lark]

weaker than a lot of incarnon melees, still does damage though

[eternal prism]

I send u

[cedar root]

its good, there are better but it can be very good

[fierce lark]

good other than the aura being basically useless

not sure how well mag can sustain 45 eff, may want to swap BR for transient

[cursive peak]

Should be fine with energize though?

[eternal prism]

Secret companion equilibrium arcane energize

[craggy niche]

it's time

i got my boy revenant done

what do

[random prawn]

equilibrium, arcane energize, and synth deconstruct has been pretty good so far

what do I put in the 3 shard slots I have left?

I'm still trying to figure that out

[fierce lark]

probably just strength

[random prawn]

Like do I put parkour veloctiry and go flying?

[eternal prism]

Molt better then rage here
As mentioned above, the mag needs sustain.
In this case, it’s easier not to kill efficiency

[cursive peak]

I've not really played Mag much. Is she really that cast heavy, to need all that?

[fierce lark]

definitely swap the aura though, growing power or brief respite

[random prawn]

she hungry

[craggy niche]

mag doesn't neccesarily need blind rage at all so

she shouldn't need a TON of energy economy

[random prawn]

ok

[eternal prism]

Btw mag can abuse sg with 4nd skill only
If my memory serves me right, put a mod on shield for this

It give more then catal shields

[craggy niche]

yeah fracturing crush is based

basically turbo pillage albeit you need cast speed

[eternal prism]

It's more convenient than pillage cus here u can not kill duration

At least in solo

[craggy niche]

LOL what?

wdym you can't kill duration?

oh my bad lmao

you were talking about pillage

[fierce lark]

you can kill duration on mag

not with pillage tho

[eternal prism]

For more convenient use pillage u want have some less dur for not double tap

For abuse sg

[craggy niche]

mine looks like this

[mighty flare]

dont need shield mods cuz 4 generates overshields

[eternal prism]

It depends on your preferences, of course, but I'm too lazy to press it twice all the time

[eternal prism]

Are overshields taken into account when calculating sg?

[craggy niche]

you just don't need it at all

fracturing generates shields on press

like as soon as the skill starts your shields full

[eternal prism]

For more shieldgate

It depends on the maximum shield

Up to 2,500 maximum shields If I'm not mistaken

With some exceptions

[craggy niche]

in play i've not needed anything to increase shield size on mag.

just crush when you hear the shield drop and carry on

it's not like pillage where there's a delay, it's instantaneous returns

[eternal prism]

Well, that's you. longer I'm invulnerable, the less buttons I have to press

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-meme-silly-cat-silly-weep-gif-16415733508326637886

I just mentioned it

[craggy niche]

there's never a good reason to increase shield size unless you're hildryn

🤠

[random prawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/851234086198706257/1360028037462102086/IMG_4045.gif

[eternal prism]

More shields more shieldgate

Provided that the mag restores them completely

[craggy niche]

maybe chime in on chars you play from here on rather than speculating lol. mag does not need more shields than she comes with 👍

[eternal prism]

Ah even with 1150 shields u get 2.5 invulnerability

This is better than 1 second btw

In any case, it's up to you to decide whether to use it or not

[craggy niche]

overshields go towards shield gate

[long portal]

mag is my 3rd most played and i run primed redirection on her. it's just comfortable. you can gate fine without it but people should build frames in the way that feels best for them

[eternal prism]

Do you mean they affect the duration? If so, you're wrong. There's just a bug where if you get insta overshields and not bit by bit like mag does so the shieldgate depends on the amount of overshield

I think I wrote it correctly...

[random prawn]

I sold primed redirection to get my soul back

srry

[random prawn]

Can I take your soul so I can buy prime redirection back?

[long portal]

the price will drop in max 4 months

[summer crest]

guys , what one to pick?

[craggy niche]

for a completely unneccesary mod i wouldn't lose any sweat lol

[summer crest]

the First one is status chance and cold

the Second one is status duration and critical chance

[lilac rivet]

O da segunda foto irmão

[eternal prism]

Atomos have incarnon?

[random prawn]

I barely used the atomos so idk, don't hurt me please

please

[eternal prism]

I think I heard something about it

[summer crest]

porque chance de status é mais fácil de conseguir que duração?

[craggy niche]

this being said it is basically required for hildryn

[craggy niche]

uno mos cervesa, por favor

[lilac rivet]

Não sei deve ser mais comum

[summer crest]

Sorry

[craggy niche]

all good man i like reading spanish, it reminds me of my aunt

[random prawn]

Is hildryn the muscle mommy?

[craggy niche]

i used to get her mad and she'd scream at me in spanish

[craggy niche]

yes

[summer crest]

yes but half the word tells me to use and half tells me to Just get It for the buffs And use the incarnoff

[random prawn]

oh, that explains everyone.

[lilac rivet]

This language is Brazilian Portuguese.

[craggy niche]

my aunt was panamanian

[summer crest]

anyways, the status chance or the status duration Riven? im scared i never rerolled Rivens before

[craggy niche]

you can always just huck it after a bit

status duration is a bit shit imo but it depends on what you want the gun for

[lilac rivet]

I don't know where that is hehehe

[eternal prism]

Just use it however you want
I don't think it's a very useful weapon even with incarnon
You can see which rolls you need on the market

In any case, any incarnon weapon should at least be not bad

[craggy niche]

that's not true

look at sicarus

🤮

[eternal prism]

Btw all weapon can be good

You just play only on incarnons
Try not incarnons

The situation there is much worse, but they are not bad

For example im very like komorex or amanata...anamanta...

[random prawn]

My poor kuva bramma, what did they do to you?

DE, why?

[eternal prism]

Deleted

Every meta weapon should be like this😎

[dusty dragon]

i have no idea what archon shards to put on grendel

[random prawn]

YOU DID THIS TO MEE

[eternal prism]

As u want

You can choose the color you like...

[dusty dragon]

i have 3 free slots and im already very satisfied with my build

[eternal prism]

Parkour cast speed