builds-discussion

[fierce lark]

do you have primed shred?

[abstract axle]

But that's a fine sacrifice for starters. Do you have bright bonnet?

[tidal parrot]

i do have primed shred

[fierce lark]

okay the pt from elementalist isn't really relevant then

yeah idk, if they're killing heavy gunners in a similar amount of time then just go armaments, it'll do better against trash

[tidal parrot]

i use vile acceleration in my build cuz i recall seeing atleast for some other damage stuff that it on average results in higher dps as the fire rate out weighs the slight reduction in damage but im not sure what that would look like compared to Pshred

[fierce lark]

or buy a verglas riven lol

[scarlet forum]

Y'all really do be using mods that are the most annoying and expensive to get

[fierce lark]

vile accel is almost always included in builds if you don't own pshred

[scarlet forum]

😭

[fierce lark]

but pshred is usually better, punch through is insanely valuable to have at least 1 source of

[steel swift]

How’s this @abstract axle

[abstract axle]

They're expensive because they are useful, otherwise they'd be worthless

[tidal parrot]

oh im not doubting it, on my builds i normally use Pshred, i have it maxed. was just wondering (atleast against 1 enemy) what the damage looks like if the 35% fire rate out weighs the -15% damage

[scarlet forum]

This is what's annoying is every time I think I'm done there's always some random ass mod that needs to be bought

🥀

I hate you simarus

[steel swift]

enjoy it for the rest of the game boss

[fierce lark]

the answer is yes

[scarlet forum]

Why are you holding my dethcube mod hostage

[fierce lark]

torid runs vile accel because it doesn't get PT

[solid delta]

I don’t use vile accel on torid

I get the atk speed from a panzer

[tidal parrot]

neither do i but i also use a riven because i like seeing red crits even tho my build would probably be better not stacking up on 2 sources of crit

[fierce lark]

you don't need to if you have external but even with rbond it's probably better or comparable to elementalist

bane is always better but banes are cringe

[solid delta]

Red crits are epic

[abstract axle]

Looks good enough. The only important trick left is the play pattern. Your one gains 100% damage for each enemy struck. This includes dead enemies. You'll want to make pile of bodies to stack up to thousands of percent damage bonus. The only thing that resets your damage is landing for two seconds or longer, so don't. (If you swap into operator while airborne, that won't count as landing, as long as you get off the ground quickly once you switch back

[abstract axle]

If DE didn't want us to abuse faction mods they would fix them double dipping

[solid delta]

I hate banes, I bought them from baro but I never bothered to upgrade them

[steel swift]

so if i like land and immediately bullet jump back up i can just stack thousands of % of damage granted i keep grouping them? does the grouping apply to energy and health orbs neaby? all of this while literally invincible for 30s???

[tidal parrot]

just gona throw this here if anyone wants to point out something ive messed up (the ciritcal delay and riven are non-negotiable red crits are fun)

[fierce lark]

i use them if they can slot in without extra forma

[solid delta]

I use deadhead

[abstract axle]

Yup, plus the damage is increased by height, so build it up, go high, and hit for literal billions

[fierce lark]

firestorm with blast is redundant

[solid delta]

It’s not difficult to get headshots with the torid

[steel swift]

where is a good high level area to test this build without steel path? where does this frame shine

[abstract axle]

Grouping doesn't affect orbs, but you are clumping, so vacuum should get them

[steel swift]

ok good enough then

[solid delta]

I always run amalgam serration over normal serration

[tidal parrot]

i mean doesnt firestorm make the primary fire have a larger idk impact aoe that then allows for beams to chain from there?

[abstract axle]

I always like mot survival for testing, but the level is a little low if not sp. This build is great for miss with low amounts of "mini games", any thing where just killing is the loop. Good for defense, survival, exterminate. Disruption is fine once you get used to picking up keys. Excavation is kinda annoying since you keep having to grab batteries

[solid delta]

Only if you shoot the ground with it

If you shoot them directly that mod is useless

[fierce lark]

potentially, idk maybe in practice it works better than it sounds

[abstract axle]

Great for void cascade

[steel swift]

ok bet

ima give it a try rn ill lyk

[solid delta]

Why do you guys run mot?

I always run circulus

[fierce lark]

every enemy hit by the aoe has its own chain of beams, you don't have to shoot the ground for that

theoretically if firestorm causes you to hit extra enemies you're doing exponentially more damage

but since the aoe doesn't get multishot, the beams that it causes also don't get multishot

torid is a mess

[abstract axle]

Partially an old head pick, but the biggest reason is that the double strength and range buff is build warping and makes for poor testing

[solid delta]

I mean you don’t have to stay near the guardian

Or run relic missions

[abstract axle]

You could just stay away from the lone guardian, but then that's an annoying limiter

[solid delta]

Circulus is like highest enemy level no?

[abstract axle]

Is the guardian only on relic version? It's been so long since I ran the base tile

[green gyro]

yes

[solid delta]

Nah, it’s on normal missions too but the map is so large it doesn’t really matter to me

You mentioned double damage and range so I thought you referred to the relic buff

[abstract axle]

Ah, no, I mean the ghost buff. Double range is crazy work, since range is the most restricted stat

[tidal parrot]

anyways, i tried it against a generic scaldra dedicant and i think the rifle elementalist might have taken like ~ 1 or2 heat ticks longer to kill the scaldra dedicant

back to torid tho, idk i think ive seen like overall mixed stuff regarding the torid and how to build it between P firestorm having higher potential damage and P firestorm isnt as good as smthn else and from what I have seen atleast its about 50/50 with about as much reasoning for one way as the other

just off the top my head I wana say its smthn along the lines of P firestorm results in better horde killing while slotting smthn else in (like fire rate or smthn) makes it better for single targets? idk

[velvet pulsar]

Toroid.

[tidal parrot]

its almost 4am cut me some slack 😭

[velvet pulsar]

32 Lazulite Toroids

[steel swift]

Ts MIGHT work. @abstract axle

U can’t see it but it was 22000

[velvet pulsar]

Combine this with Well of Life for infinite stacking against invulnerable enemy.

[steel swift]

nah.

[solemn kiln]

is galvanized shot good for noctua or should i put something else on it?

[tidal parrot]

yes, very good especially with secondary encumber

[solemn kiln]

sadly i dont have that yet

[warm obsidian]

Do I just go serration or heat/slash

[midnight horizon]

@bold warren im on, are you online in game?

I'm KRNR_I#002

[lucid flint]

aptitude doesn’t affect the radial damage

of the incarnon form

do you have primed cryo rounds

[lean tendon]

this is Noctua?

where's the Tome mods?

[midnight horizon]

Reason why I don't use Noctua hahahah

[lean tendon]

just buy in the in-game market

way cheaper than warframe.market

and you get everything as well

same for Tennokai mods its way cheaper buying it in the in-game market

[warm obsidian]

No and no

[solemn kiln]

i dont have the tome mods and i dont see a reason to use em?

[lean tendon]

they are really OP

[midnight horizon]

@bold warren just ping me when you're on

[lucid flint]

do you have hammer shot

[solemn kiln]

but then i have no reason to use it other then to mark things

[midnight horizon]

Probably... Not.... Hammer shot is smth you don't get very easily hahaha

[lean tendon]

You are permanently using them with Dante

[lucid flint]

wait do you even have the incarnon

[warm obsidian]

No

[lean tendon]

At the very least you want Xata Invocation

[lucid flint]

I guess galv apt is fine ig lol

viral heat then maybe

[summer moon]

i think burston without an incarnon is a waste of time

(use nataruk)

[solemn kiln]

is that the armor strip one?

[summer moon]

energy

[lucid flint]

nothing wrong with prepping it also it doesn’t seem like he even has arcanes unlocked yet

so he cant be too far in

[lean tendon]

not really a waste of time since you'll eventually put incarnon adapter to it

more like you will be stuck using a meh weapon

Nataruk is really good but it's not for everyone's taste

and I am the biggest glazer of Nataruk here

[summer moon]

there is tonkor xD
if someone still remember...

[summer moon]

btw it is very funny that warframe with overguard can use passive shield gate by fass canticle

[solemn kiln]

im already running arcane energize

[lean tendon]

So?

[warm obsidian]

Builds?

[summer moon]

@lean tendonr u in the game? can u share one?

[summer moon]

u can replace it with a better arcane

[solemn kiln]

hmm

thats my dante

[warm obsidian]

Do I always max charge Nataruk

[cold salmon]

no, u want it to exceed the threshold line but not max charge for a perfect shot

[remote orchid]

Hello. I'm new to the game. Is this build on fulmin okay?

[lean tendon]

perfect shot

[warm obsidian]

Yeah...
Not to find of bow

[lean tendon]

when your crosshair goes yellow, charge bar around 75-99%

fire rate makes charge shots smoother

if you have exilus slot open then use Terminal Velocity

[warm obsidian]

Any replacements for primed Cryo

[lean tendon]

just regular cryo rounds is fine

if you have Amalgam Serration, use that instead as well for the sprint speed

[fierce lark]

if you're doing blast you should do 60s if you don't have primed cryo and 60 heat regardless

[lean tendon]

honestly I tried that and its not that good

[fierce lark]

is it not enough damage to kill the main target?

[lean tendon]

90% status chance on charge shot vs 150% status chance on charge shot feels the same while having less damage

[fierce lark]

almost doubling the status chance on a 1shot blast build is a pretty big difference

[solemn kiln]

wouldnt cascadia flare and arcane hotshot be good together?

[lean tendon]

also the weighting on 90% feels better

swapping Hellfire for Thermite Rounds (120%) feels better than 150%

either way, even though I am not using 60 60 I'm still procing blast a lot

[fierce lark]

165 60 is the best, but i dont see a world where 90 90 is better than 60 60

[lean tendon]

if you don't have 165 just go 60 60 both I guess

I just don't like the feel of the damage

[fierce lark]

idk which between 2 60s 2 90s and one of each has the highest amount of blast procs per shot

but the modded dmg has 0 effect on blast dmg

so as long as it still kills the only thing that matters is highest % to proc blast

something about math

[lean tendon]

There are times you won't one shot if you don't have external primer so having raw damage helps, at least in my case. Either way, testing in Simulacrum 165 90 procs blast every single time for me. Nevermind I was just way too lucky. It was more of 2/3 shots.

[fierce lark]

i think not having a priming sentinel with nataruk is trolling tbh

if you're taking it into serious content

[lean tendon]

for sure

[worthy sage]

So i got a riven mod for the torid and that is my build what roll should i get on my riven

[midnight horizon]

I need builds for Arca Titron

Anyone?

[fierce lark]

cc cd ms fr dmg

3 of the above with harmless negative ideally

[midnight horizon]

Yo do u have a Arca Titron build ;~;

[fierce lark]

never used it

slam influence iirc

[midnight horizon]

Oof

[midnight horizon]

What are hammer stance

That is good for slamsters

[cold salmon]

dont think stance matters at all, u will just be spamming heavy slam anyway

u just need stance with the correct polarity

[midnight horizon]

Eh... Aight

Maduraai hahaha

[green gyro]

ye I can link

1 sec just have to find

oh nvm I sold the riven, need to fix it

[solemn kiln]

any one got a steel path chroma build?

[bold warren]

Sorry mate

Not yet

[midnight horizon]

A8ght

[cold salmon]

just a fun build that i run for steelpath, it nukes with neutron star since vex armor damage bonus (as well as Txin Elemental Wards but negligible compared to vex armor) affects neutron star damage. You will need Tenacious Bond on ur companion for Arcane Avenger to work with neutron star.

a more boring build but one that can handle levelcap

[brazen oasis]

Does anyone have a build for soma prime that shreds through steel path? I have the incarnon adapter for it. Thank you!

[primal ibex]

Is dis good newbie build for Caliban jus got him today

I'm only mr5

[midnight horizon]

Good set up imo

Budget style but it'll work

[old marsh]

if u r going for razor motor, u want range and strength. can simply ignore duration and efficiency. keep playing quests as u would want Archon Range for this build

[elfin marsh]

any suggestions for arcanes for excalibur umbra? except arcane fury

[modern vale]

It looks good! Try to get Transient Fortitude too, if you ever want to upgrade this build

[sturdy solstice]

My lavos prime build im mr8 rn so I don't have any other good mods

I need the range cuz its kinda hard to aim on mobile

[craggy niche]

Use it to run corrupted mods

[sturdy solstice]

Haven't unlocked those yet

[outer jacinth]

https://i.imgur.com/VbgjoG8.png which one should one take for their 200 day login?

[versed harbor]

shred or fury, never vigor

id say fury is more replaceable (berserker fury, quickening, arcanes etc) than shred but shred gets used on less weapons

big shred enjoyer personally

[outer jacinth]

yeah gonna go shred cause I dont like melee

[night laurel]

shred is rly good

punch through helps improve the "feel" of guns

and so that non-explosives aren't just mostly shooting at dead bodies in a crowd

[craggy niche]

I dont think you can actually "hit" a dead body but I see your point

[fluid nest]

idk if I want to build atlas prime since I just got his set. cause I don't know how to mod him. I could mod him for dps and a seperate bulid for looting

[unkempt rivet]

So what I’ve gathered from my testing
Oraxia seems to wanna build for her 3. Poison enemies, spawn scuttlers. And use the rest of her kit to play around that

[willow crescent]

You could do that... but I would rather suggest building for her 4 and either capitalizing on health bonus to make a tank build, or if you're comfortable/enjoy wall latching with her and can keep invis up most of the time, play around that instead

[rough summit]

Guys should i put nourish on my khora for a farming build?

[brittle sleet]

If you just want her energy issues solved, Lycath's Hunt (Voruna's subsume) is more reliable than anything else

[hot willow]

Can i possibly squeeze even more strength out of this? I already Have 5 tau strength shards

[late hemlock]

Madurai, growing power?

[eternal prism]

nidus...

[mint wind]

this also applies to myself?

[thick bison]

Part of the squad

[rough summit]

i don’t have that tho so nourish is the next best thing i suppose

[eternal prism]

yes ofc

[eternal prism]

or dispensary

[undone dust]

the true method

nidus jade stack

[eternal prism]

spectre nidus

and solo lobby

[shrewd cargo]

Anyone have a good mesa prime build?

I found this one and it looks good but not sure of the rolling side on it

[eternal prism]

You can try this one but I haven't tested it
u need any combo stick for that

[bright canopy]

Good beginner Wisp build?

[analog stirrup]

Equilibrium+flow and as much power as you can fit... The rest is learning her kit.

[mint wind]

ok cool thanks

[umbral knoll]

Rate my build for Phantasma Prime.. + what arcane to use actually??

[eternal prism]

copy

[undone dust]

are you running that one op arcane for heat?

[eternal prism]

it not good arcane on mesa

Its very difficult to maintain it

[undone dust]

no not hot shot
the operator one goober

[night laurel]

magus melt

[umbral knoll]

I don't like faction mods

[undone dust]

no

melt doesnt affect your actual weapons

[eternal prism]

uskos? yes im with that

[umbral knoll]

• i dont have the right polarization for Acceleration

[undone dust]

[eternal prism]

just swap

what problem

[undone dust]

also it's not really that difficult to maintain tbh ive ran a few caps with it and havent had much issue
but i do also have wyrm on most of the time with either verglas or burst laser manifold coolant leak for the extra heat to help any downtime

[eternal prism]

This requires investment, but in any case, you can simply install a more useful arcana

which will work absolutely always

[eternal prism]

and with debilitate u need anyway any faction source

cus it tripple dip statuses

[fierce lark]

hotshot isn’t difficult to maintain on mesa lol

[eternal prism]

As many people say, it's difficult. But I don't like it anyway because it doesn't give much

[fierce lark]

it’s almost 2 mod slots worth of crit, in a slot that isn’t particularly useful for anything else

[eternal prism]

i can get another sources cc
If you want, you can use it. I dont think I prohibited its use

I run between objects too often to constantly shoot and maintain it

[fierce lark]

you don’t need to maintain it to 50 stacks 24/7, even if it falls off it’ll stack back up fairly quickly

[eternal prism]

It depends on the build. But I don't really need it anyway. Youd need at least a companion who can support it
as said above
Why can't I just not use it if I need damage right now and not have to stack first?

[fierce lark]

when did i say you couldn’t use it lol

[eternal prism]

I like outburst more because I have a combo stick

[fierce lark]

i fail to see the relation, you can run both

i am simply suggesting this statement is false

[eternal prism]

It's everyone's choice. I don't like it, but maybe someone who likes red crits will
This is my point of view after I tried it

[fierce lark]

well you stated it as a fact, not an opinion, you didn't say you didn't like it, you said it is bad

[eternal prism]

Its hard to translate when my eng isnt very strong, so I might have expressed myself incorrectly

[fierce lark]

all good

[undone dust]

nope you have to kill them NOW

[eternal prism]

say same yareli with magistar

[night laurel]

like watching those pacific rim giant robots brawling tbh

[eternal prism]

bonk

[umbral knoll]

do I really need armor strip for enemies? I have Dagath, and I don't use her 4th, because it's so expensive..

[opal leaf]

Yes

Armor strip is crucial in most, if not, all context

[umbral knoll]

OK, what to do to make it for dagath? Helminth?

Some weapon?

[opal leaf]

Wait first off

Why is her 4 expensive?

[umbral knoll]

150 energy

[mighty flare]

you dont

[barren sphinx]

should I?

[opal leaf]

Oh wait you don't?

[night laurel]

-# not anymore kinda

[opal leaf]

Why?

[night laurel]

it's good to have esp around level cap but you know. armor caps and just viral-heat it

[opal leaf]

Bro go get Flow

[mighty flare]

not as important anymore after armor scaling was capped to 90% (2700 armor) this makes even partial strip more than enough

esp on dagath, you dont need it

[opal leaf]

Ah ok

[umbral knoll]

I have it! And I have still 450 energy...

[opal leaf]

There you go some clarification

[umbral knoll]

so... Do I really need to do something???

[opal leaf]

450 is good

150 got erased? Kill more enemies

Or remove Blind rage if you are really suffering for energy but... Which... You shouldnt

[mighty flare]

dagath can subsume off her 4 for a weapon buff like nourish/xatas
shes a great platformer focus on that

[mighty flare]

you dont need her 4 is what im saying

[umbral knoll]

I use Phantasma Prime with Xoris, and mostly Dagath all except 4

[wide verge]

Is it worth putting 2 crimson shard on sevagoth?

[opal leaf]

Her horses are good frontal CC tho ;~;

[mighty flare]

if you like it, you can keep it
do you need her 4? no

[opal leaf]

Fair

[umbral knoll]

ohh, thx!

[opal leaf]

Well I'm still at being a CC intended frame only rule hahahah

@lunar mesa

[eternal prism]

nope

[opal leaf]

Damn I feel stupid for saying Yes hahahaha

[umbral knoll]

so, what other skills to go for adding instead of 4th?

Nourish will be hard to get?

[mighty flare]

breach surge, silence, evade, defy, etc...
lots of stuff, mostly preference pick

[eternal prism]

roar xata nourish
it depends on what you need in the build

I have a secret koumea with pulse

[opal leaf]

Pulse? Who's skill is that

[eternal prism]

helminth

idk why electricity not here

[opal leaf]

Oh

[eternal prism]

still damage status...

[night laurel]

it does say it adds stacks to every status effect except slash heat and tox which just gets refreshed

ig electric is already included

[eternal prism]

for eletcric it 10x stacks

that's why i used it for koumei

it kill level cap enemiys

it was funny at least

[craggy niche]

Its very good just high investment and not neccesary for her to work fine

[eternal prism]

(without decree for sure )

An overinvestment in a frame that won't even be super strong...

not love mesa sorry

[craggy niche]

Shes super strong just has dumb limitations like the end raid bosses not being target able by her 4

[eternal prism]

If she were super strong, her personal weapon would at least be like gara

gara oneshot level cap btw

mesa has too much investment for nothing

[craggy niche]

Level cap barely matters at all for most players and scenarios

[eternal prism]

most she can boast of is an interesting augment for tier

[craggy niche]

She has insane dps lol

One shotting is great but kpm more betterer

I have a feeling you haven't played her just based on the slander

Shes also really good for just carrying newps through basically any sp base level activity with little to no investment

[eternal prism]

gara anyway one shot any lvl with zero invest.
I don't see the point of arguing
In any case, her pistols are weaker than other personal weapons
it have not good base stats

Well, maybe the sevaghot claws are even weaker simply because they are difficult to use

[craggy niche]

One shotting doesn't mean anything lol

This game is about kpm above all

[eternal prism]

For large investments, no, not worth it

Except maybe the skins are pretty

[craggy niche]

She doesn't need large investment lol. People do the hotshot thing mostly because they want to see red numbers

[eternal prism]

Even without it, she wants combo stick.

[craggy niche]

Her kpm is still fine just running combat discipline and avenger

[eternal prism]

choice between outburst and encumber

where the second one is cheaper but also weaker

also u can put enervate but for what

[shrewd cobalt]

What would be the best build for a pure dedicated support dante?

[craggy niche]

Enervate is fine. Usually merciless is the choice when no hotshot loop

[novel bear]

Fortifier

[eternal prism]

Without a good platform, it's not very good

[novel bear]

On mesa?

[eternal prism]

yes

[shrewd cobalt]

???

[novel bear]

Fortifier is great

What are you talking about

[eternal prism]

Not really, given that there are better options

[craggy niche]

A character hes never actually used because he feels its too expensive

🤣

[eternal prism]

fortifier is only needed for survival and kill thraxes

[novel bear]

Like encumber?
Lol, no

[analog stirrup]

This Mesa debate still going? cool

[eternal prism]

You need to make a different build with it. It won't work for a regular one

[novel bear]

Encumber is strictly worse than fortifier no matter the build

[craggy niche]

😵‍💫

[eternal prism]

At least it still gives a lot of base damage which mesa has little of

[novel bear]

Mesa doesn’t have a lot of base damage
Alright, this is bait

[undone dust]

fortifier is also nice because shatter shield's reflection damage inherits it but you could also just run fortifier on your actual secondary in that regard

[craggy niche]

Ulmm she does plus the 26 fire rate totally doesn't do anything 🙄

[novel bear]

Unlike other exalteds, mesa gets additive base damage from strength, in addition to galvanized shot

And you should be running a good primer pet

Which means plenty of base damage, no encumber necessary

[eternal prism]

Are you saying she has a lot of base damage?
50 base damage okie

[undone dust]

bro is just running an unmodded regulators

[eternal prism]

This fire rate also looks good with the increase in base damage

[novel bear]

And this justifies encumber how?

[eternal prism]

It doesn't matter because we're talking about base damage

With mods it's not that bad

[eternal prism]

Gives 1200% base damage
if you take it into account with co mod

As I said, this requires a slightly different build

It's still weaker than outburst, but its also cheaper

[novel bear]

It’s also weaker than fortifier

[fierce lark]

i had time to fill out pre-auth payment forms for my new building owner, go out, hand them in, come back and we're still talking about mesa huh

[undone dust]

can i buy you

[fierce lark]

can you buy me what

[gleaming vapor]

what’s the argument again

[gleaming vapor]

50 base?

i gotta check that rq

[eternal prism]

hm
If you have your own option, you can suggest it

[gleaming vapor]

oh it is huh

[gleaming vapor]

why we got pistol pestilence

base 10% sc

just run pathogen rounds

[undone dust]

i wish to purchase you

[eternal prism]

corr

[gleaming vapor]

just run 90 tox

[eternal prism]

for status chance cus check arcana

[gleaming vapor]

also wtf is encumber mesa

[eternal prism]

Because the build is for arcana

[eternal prism]

Read what the dialogue above is about.

[gleaming vapor]

also you could also just run arcane velocity on your frame and drop anemic agility

[novel bear]

Do you know what a primer is, by any chance?

[eternal prism]

it need both

[gleaming vapor]

do you have reinforced bond on your companion

[eternal prism]

Why use a primer for this if you can kill everything like that?

[eternal prism]

i have all fire rate sources except furax

[gleaming vapor]

i mean if you’re running tazicor on your companion, it’s not like you really have to actively think about priming

[novel bear]

Encumber decreases ttk by less than a second

[gleaming vapor]

you really don’t need that much fire rate

[eternal prism]

It doesn't matter because mesa loves it anyway

[novel bear]

What’s the ttk on an eximus?

[eternal prism]

it give a lot dps

[gleaming vapor]

it does to a point

[eternal prism]

2.5

[fierce lark]

wtf are you shooting that has over a 6s ttk from mesa's regulators??

[gleaming vapor]

that long?

[novel bear]

Level cap, probably

[eternal prism]

demolisher

heavy gunner

[gleaming vapor]

shouldn’t be that long

[eternal prism]

cus it wrong arcane

[fierce lark]

levelcap demo maybe, levelcap thrax and eximus die in like 1 second

[gleaming vapor]

now since we’re talking about mesa, I actually have a doc in my bio about mesa

[eternal prism]

As I wrote above, this is a super cheap option for her

[novel bear]

Because it only has the weapon, and not mesa’s build

[gleaming vapor]

shameless plug

[eternal prism]

yes it level cap demo was

[gleaming vapor]

with outburst you’ll be fine

[eternal prism]

i use 269 str like in my build and arcana

[fierce lark]

even then demos had their attenuation removed so those fall over too

[eternal prism]

yes

[gleaming vapor]

so why are we running encumber

if we know outburst is better

[fierce lark]

i still don't understand why you do all of your dps calcs against levelcap demos when there's literally 0 benefit to doing levelcap disruption and it's purely for fun

at least levelcap cascade has a purpose

[eternal prism]

because the conversation was about how expensive it is to build a mesa
I gave her options for arcana, from the most expensive to the cheapest.
and suddenly I saw a fortifier that doesn't work without a platform

[gleaming vapor]

the cheapest option is fortifier

not even encumber

[fierce lark]

fortifier works perfectly fine, you can't calc it against something that doesn't have overguard and expect it to have better numbers lol

[gleaming vapor]

hell cascadia flare works

[tidal parrot]

something something i like redcits on mesa

[gleaming vapor]

try outburst

[nocturne thicket]

Dm if ur interested in the build

[eternal prism]

He even has lower dps against thrax
no matter

[gleaming vapor]

with 5 topaz/outburst/hotshot you hit 300.5 cc

[eternal prism]

nope both ez to get

[gleaming vapor]

even then, why would you ever use encumber

on a gun with a 10 base sc

[eternal prism]

I use outburst

I just said that the fortifier is weaker than the encumber from the cheaper options

[tidal parrot]

dont need to, i use 5 orange shards and hot shot which gets me the rest of the way while still getting a 480 dmg increase from cascada flare and isnt limited to a 30second window before needing to be built up again

[gleaming vapor]

it’s really not

[tidal parrot]

my route is def more expensive but has less down time on redcrits

[novel bear]

It is if you refuse to use a priming companion for some bizarre reason

[gleaming vapor]

if you stack ic with crescendo/cdag, you don’t need to build it up again

[eternal prism]

Encumber literally gives you a magnet if you need it

[gleaming vapor]

it just stays at 12x permenantly

[gleaming vapor]

i mean ig

[tidal parrot]

ik what cresendo is however i can also just start shooting to start with and dont need to spend like 15 minutes hunting eximus

[gleaming vapor]

you know you can just mod magnetic/viral/elec on a companion right?

[novel bear]

The question is why would you not use a priming companion on mesa
And the answer is there is no good reason

[tidal parrot]

makes sense tho that it can be higher highs ig

[gleaming vapor]

vazarin snare makes it like a solid 30 seconds to fully stack crescendo

[eternal prism]

i cant cuz my wyrm support. not primer

[gleaming vapor]

yes you can equip tazicor on wyrm

[novel bear]

What’s your companion weapon doing?

[eternal prism]

I can't because I need 1.2 cd

I've already looked for options for this

[gleaming vapor]

the priming from tazicor will be infinitely better than 1.2x cd

[eternal prism]

and this leads to me sacrificing something

[gleaming vapor]

it’s like 10 viral stacks + mag + elec vs like 1.2 cd

[novel bear]

And why use wyrm when you can just get overguard from fortifier?

[eternal prism]

depends on the weapon

[fierce lark]

encumber left fortifier right, target is lvlcap thrax

[gleaming vapor]

we’re talking regulators with outburst no?

it doesn’t need it

[night laurel]

funny nourish number

[fierce lark]

i think my mesa's nourish actually is 69%

[tidal parrot]

this one?

[gleaming vapor]

it opens up all the enemies in the thing to ground finisher

[fierce lark]

i haven't logged in in awhile but iirc i have transient + pint for 155 nourish str

[tidal parrot]

do you just stack a ton of finisher damage on a melee for crecendo?

[novel bear]

Is pint umbral?

[fierce lark]

precision intensify

[gleaming vapor]

basically

it’s a relatively standard melee build with finisher damage

[fierce lark]

since sombra's hildryn document im just calling them uint and pint now

[gleaming vapor]

am i allowed to post my mesa document here

[fierce lark]

you could probably make a post in #1197322290166251680

[tidal parrot]

idk i personaly just prefer all my weapons to be functional in a void rather than specific for a build (primarily for archamedias)

[eternal prism]

There's enough damage without it. And if I run quickly between objects, it's completely unnecessary

[fierce lark]

but if anything is wrong or looks sus you will be neutered

[gleaming vapor]

yeah i’ll prolly do that

[gleaming vapor]

i mean it is for cap runs

[novel bear]

Use ceramic dagger and an aoe primary to stack kills early

[gleaming vapor]

ig if you’re running exclusively base sp

[fierce lark]

but yeah i haven't thoroughly checked which was better between precision and umbral, regulators having 1.5x base dmg scaling from ability str makes me lean precision tho

[novel bear]

And then crescendo for the rest

[gleaming vapor]

you really only need precision

[fierce lark]

outburst is dogwater for anything that isn't an endurance

[gleaming vapor]

all of her abilities scale like shit off strength anyway

[novel bear]

The strength scaling is additive to hornet strike

Unlike every other exalted

[gleaming vapor]

that’s why i run fortifier for base sp

[tidal parrot]

but my melee doughty millions of crit damage 😔 ceramic dagger /j

[novel bear]

Is doughty good even on c dagger?

[gleaming vapor]

i run a finisher build on furax tbf

[fierce lark]

in all fairness, regulators would be extremely unbalanced if ability str was multi

[gleaming vapor]

not rly

[novel bear]

Like most other exalteds?

[gleaming vapor]

it struggles a lot at cap compared to other exalted

[mighty flare]

no

[tidal parrot]

prty yea, it has a very high puncture stat that you can boost to redicolous amounts

[fierce lark]

well

yes

xd

[eternal prism]

In terms of hp, it has less damage.
and we still have different builds

[fierce lark]

i promise if you add a final 300+% multiplier it's gonna stop struggling

[fierce lark]

yes, fortifier does less damage to hp, and water is also wet, what's new

[tidal parrot]

think riven / sac steel get swapped out for stuff like galv steel and probably smthn else like attack speed if your not using a riven for more crit dmg but i personally like its attack speed as it is so i dont mess with it to much

[eternal prism]

yes even cap runs
Especially with cascades, I don't stand still, but run between objects. I just don't have time to get impact from primer because I kill everything faster

[fierce lark]

fortifier does something very obvious, you aren't running it for damage to hp, you're running it to make things that normally die slow die faster, and it doubles as solo carrying the survivability in your build

[tidal parrot]

incarnon mode has 950.4 puncture with this build

[eternal prism]

(i use vazarin for survivability)

[fierce lark]

doughty is just bad

even when it's theoretically at its best it's literally just worse than other arcanes

[eternal prism]

In any case, outburst wins both options

[tidal parrot]

eh its not that bad on ceramic dagger imop, its just free constant red crits for millions of dmg

[fierce lark]

okay but genuine question

Why tf are you running weeping wounds lmao

[mighty flare]

doughty

[tidal parrot]

because it ups the status chance for puncture resulting in an even larger crit dmg buff from doughty

[fierce lark]

oh wait nvm no shit

[eternal prism]

secret gas elec caramic

[fierce lark]

melee doubty ❌

[eternal prism]

melee delete

[fierce lark]

isn't doughty really bad on the incarnon heavies?

[eternal prism]

for caramic? not a bad option

but ceramic are usually taken only for combo stick

[tidal parrot]

incarnon form just has higher puncture value so id asume no? it is prty aight

[fierce lark]

are the heat waves not in the damage sheet anywhere??

[craggy niche]

I have really been loving gratva

[mighty flare]

no they mean the ghost daggers

[tidal parrot]

nope they are not :)

[eternal prism]

It's better to use the crescendo and use the caramic as intended

like combo stick

[fierce lark]

im not 100% sure, but im fairly certain doughty applies to the attack, not the weapon

and the projectile waves from incarnon form do not have much puncture

[tidal parrot]

I mean you can still whack things with it

[fierce lark]

you can yeah but atp why are you using ceramic dagger

like if you're gonna use a weapon with a very clear gimmick why go out of your way to not use it

[tidal parrot]

All ik is I've seen it do more when it goes incarnon with that build

[eternal prism]

use this secret build

https://tenor.com/view/winkythedwarfcat-winky-cat-sad-tired-gif-6471914036130722371

[fierce lark]

can't comment, haven't used it. ive only used gas influence ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tidal parrot]

Because it's funny hitting things for millions of dmg without any effort

[fierce lark]

i think every melee does that

[craggy niche]

Im hikey kinda excited for this guy

[fierce lark]

i swear syam is one of the most asked about weapons here and idk why

[tidal parrot]

Also cuz I had that riven before the exalted rework and felt obligated to use it, doughty dropped recently and it did surprisingly well for just being a stick that hits things for millions of dmg regardless of frame

[eternal prism]

youtube
kullervo
2b hit

[craggy niche]

Cool interaction low effort acquisition

[eternal prism]

thats all

but syam better with influence🥺

[tidal parrot]

I subsumed the wrathful advance frame and am firmly of the opinion if you have to rely on wrathful advance to do stuff then it's not really the weapon doing the work and just "hey guys look at the weapon that's really good when you apply 8 gazillion crit chance to it"

[violet silo]

cuz people see magic slash and have neuroptics activations

[violet silo]

ok but
fun

[eternal prism]

slash in syam&

?

[fierce lark]

5 violet crit 400% str kullervo is indeed a fun switch

[violet silo]

magic air slash

just like in the anime

[night laurel]

it has the great benefit of making duviri not suck as bad as with s&m

[fierce lark]

wait for sky to say something deranged about s&m

[craggy niche]

I dont mind duviri

[night laurel]

its called s&m because its genuinely sadomasochistic to constantly run it for duviri

[craggy niche]

Just not what I signed up for is what frustrated me wjth that grind

[fierce lark]

it's been too long since i've done drifter duviri to remember what i last used

i think i landed on argo & vel

[craggy niche]

Thank God oraxia is here, now all I do is pop into the duviri mode for mats with the added bonus of ruining people's fun when they realize I'm just there to harvest and dip

[tidal parrot]

Ok but it makes my hard work to make my weapons have like 400% crit chance on their own feel less worth it

[lean tendon]

It's popular in yt shorts

I have seen different Syam shorts multiple times before

• I have seen it on like top x list of melees for beginners or something similar

[night laurel]

ew

[quiet laurel]

youtubers see it has multiCO and make a quadillion videos on it

[fierce lark]

lol

[eternal prism]

multi co ferlax

https://tenor.com/view/winkythedwarfcat-winky-cat-sad-tired-gif-6471914036130722371

[quiet laurel]

gunCO so cringe

melee CO is so based

imagine needing kills for your weapons to start dealing good dmg

stacks run out at lvl cap, good luck killing enemies 🥀

[eternal prism]

Well, it's not all that bad... It depends on the weapon, of course...

maybe platform...

[charred kiln]

Hey, what's a good subsume skill for gyre prime and what's a good primary to pair with her?

[eternal prism]

pillage

do some less dur if u solo. if u not solo do as u want

[somber agate]

i want to build octavia but i don't have a single idea what to build on her want to afk farm steel path

[fickle whale]

depends what kind of missions you wanna go for? Most likely for disruption its roar for double dips
Personal primary depends on your playstyle. I'm just running with amprex due to base elec only and apollo speedruns

[novel bear]

Lot of melee builds on overframe that say red crit guaranteed and then you look inside and it’s wrathful advance

[eternal prism]

range

maybe some str... and dur

[somber agate]

yeah but what mods and archon shards

[eternal prism]

those with which you will be comfortable

[somber agate]

i want to max her build

[lean tendon]

I mean technically they're correct, just need 1 more step to the build

[eternal prism]

depends build. pillage good if u have already "meta wepon" like burston
roar good if want play with status weapon...

[novel bear]

Mostly duration
Her mallet scales hard with duration

[eternal prism]

but I highly doubt he needs it for cap

[fickle whale]

exactly

as said, it completly depends what you going for

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1202303293146013738/1241886904744542299/attachment.gif

[somber agate]

i just got bored of farming everything manually after 2k hours xD

[charred kiln]

I've tried coda bassocyst and cedo prime but they were both quite underwhelming on her tbh. Especially on deimos. Felt like i was doing no damage

[eternal prism]

want furax and caramic rivens with as and combo🐟

[somber agate]

said maybe it's time to relax and farm at the same time

[fickle whale]

shouldnt be an issue, tbh. What status and build your using?

[eternal prism]

If you don't want a platform and you just need to go through sp without thinking, I would suggest something like this

it not platform just for crowd control build

[charred kiln]

Generic elementalist build wiyh only electricity, and diriga +epitaph prime for priming

[eternal prism]

option above that was suggested is also good

[eternal prism]

status from gyre augment is not included in the status calculation formula.

[charred kiln]

No i want her to be a gun runner, i have uriel and sevagoth for nuking

[eternal prism]

then you need something that will fire a lot of shots per second or a shotgun

[fickle whale]

you should switch for a gas or viral/heat build then it will be easier for you Or if you wanan play only elec, use shock trooper as helmith on your gyre or breach surge which will help you as well

[charred kiln]

wait i thought Gyre would actually prefer elec builds or does the elec multiplier on the weapon not matter?

[main steppe]

what should i build on dual ichor (incarnon) ?

[fickle whale]

only her passive ability gets "boosted"

[charred kiln]

that's a big help. thanks friend.

[fickle whale]

yw

[fierce lark]

gas/viral elec influence, use low rank gas/viral mods if you have them

[main steppe]

what does low rank gas/viral means ?

you mean like the silver mods one ?

[silk geode]

can u guys help me chose who's worth it to build first between Titania and Oraxia? I have a preference for titania because of the mouvement speed but idk)

[steel swift]

i jsut build my oraxia, i like her more than titania, not rlly a super similar frame tho. one is inf energy weapon platform the other is just kill everything as fast as humanly possible for speed missions imo

[charred kiln]

Oraxia is one of my absolute favorite frames. so i'm a bit biased here.

[fickle whale]

always prefering titania due to opening relics fast if you looking to get into speedruning plat hunts and stuff. If you just play casually both have their pro and cons tbf

[night laurel]

titania has a huge utility bonus

everyone says "just razorwing it" for every mildly difficult 0arkour nonsense

mirror defense crystals/vosfor, void flood orbs, speedrunning in general

[steel swift]

oraxia has a near instant 200m grapple lmao

i agree titania has huge movementutility but oraxia has some movement util too

[charred kiln]

they both do very different things. Oraxia is more of a "hold position" frame and Titania is a zoom zoom get things done fast frame. for general use i would argue Titania has more use cases.

[steel swift]

i would argue the opposite but im not a huge titania lover

u dont even need to hold position with oraxia

super fun to run her secondary and group enemies with inf energy and summons

and viable nearly everywhere imo

crazy health buff for surviveability aswell as infinite invis, good damage, good decent cc

[silk geode]

i just want quality of life first bercause i will build both honestly ig i will take titania first if it alow me do do everything faster

and i want to get cuva sobek with my oraxia i think titania's dps might help me better than a half build oraxia to take down the lich

thx to yall answears

[craggy niche]

This is my personal favorite build yet for her. Both arcane can pretty much be whatever and if youre gonna do shards id do three tau violet for electricity status causing ability damage and 2 yellows for parkour and cast speed respectively

As far as primary goes you can literally use whatever tf you want as conductive is awesome for turning not that great of weapons into good ones, anything that crits alot is going to do well on gyre as her lightning is procced by crits

[fickle whale]

titania xata + blast build will help you then, or if you wanna nuke switch to thermal slunder titania instead

[charred kiln]

why precision intensify over intensify? your orb projectile damage will be less no?

[hollow elm]

What stats would a near perfecr verglas riven have? Obviously critchance but what other stats are usefull? Havent looked inot sentinels weps so idk abt stats like reload or magazine size or max ammo. Also what stas besides cc do i wanna use for a dps verglas?

[craggy niche]

A little boost to the lightning

And you can stack the orbs 3 times so it dont matter all that much to conductive

[charred kiln]

true... better room clearing that way.

will give it a try, thanks :D

[violet silo]

MS CD FR DMG etc

the usual good stuff

[hollow elm]

Ate there any nieche/psecific stats for avarage verglas builds? Like how for devouring atrition neg crit would be good. Also what abour qol stats? Like reload and magazine, do they effect sentinel guns?

[silk geode]

i saw the xata's whisper build i will do that thx

[violet silo]

nothing niche iirc

[hollow elm]

Okey thank you

[solemn kiln]

is https://warframe-damage.com/ out of date? it doesnt have volatile variant

[hollow elm]

Is neg grineer on sentinel weps as unsighly as on reg or is it less unfortunate

[violet silo]

idk

probably similar

[craggy niche]

It doesn't have conductive either im p sure

[craggy niche]

Most people dont use sentinel weapins for damage

[solemn kiln]

Conductive?

[lean tendon]

underframe is probably more accurate

[tidal parrot]

Only notable stat is whatever gives you enough to break 50% crit chance. It's alrdy really good without a riven so unless your stacking up on stats your alrdy aiming for the only actual chase stat is to hit 50% cc for tenacious bond

[hollow elm]

Ik but id think verglas might be a lil different bc of how good it is. Idk tho

[craggy niche]

Oh yeah theres nuking builds for it but am big stoopid so you'll have to ask someone knowledgeable

I use my verglas for viral priming until I got my tazicor

R5 Venus is such a pain in the male member

[lean tendon]

Verglas can go DPS but the most important it's the 50% cc really for Tenacious Bond

Otherwise, you can just use Burst Laser Prime or Prime Laser Rifle

[hollow elm]

Ic still thx

[craggy niche]

Tazicor is only follower gun that matters

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[hollow elm]

I used it on nova to do the kills (for like the hex chlannges) while i just spam her 4. Its even without a riven really goos so i figuered there must be ppl out there whos main reason for a verglas rivens actually not tenacious bond but the dmg

[gleaming oasis]

So I got 2 hirudo builds here. first one is viral elec co the other one is a more geenric influence build. I've heard that the hirudo is good with health tanks. which one is better for the weapon, and is there anything special that I need for this use in particular?

[fickle whale]

Nautilus heat nuke build:
EE.log for it:
12262.184 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 6.31082e+07, base: 6.31082e+07 BaseDmg 0
12262.184 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 6.31082e+07, base: 6.31082e+07 BeforeCrits 0
12262.184 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 3.95911e+07, base: 3.95911e+07 Mult 1
12262.184 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 6.31082e+07, base: 6.31082e+07 Faction1 0
12262.184 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 6.31082e+07, base: 6.31082e+07 GAMEPLAY_PERCENT_BASE_DAMAGE_ADDED 0
12262.184 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 6.31082e+07, base: 6.31082e+07 Faction2 0
12262.184 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 6.31082e+07, base: 6.31082e+07 BaseDmg 0
12262.184 Game [Warning]: high dmg: 6.31082e+07, base: 6.31082e+07 BeforeCrits 0
12262.190 Sys [Warning]: Attempting to proc 100 instances of PT_IMMOLATION at once. This is likely unintended.
12262.190 Sys [Warning]: Victim: OrokinBladeSawmanAvatar15167
12262.190 Sys [Warning]: Source object: NautilusPrimeSentinelPowerSuit
12262.191 Sys [Warning]: Attempting to proc 100 instances of PT_IMMOLATION at once. This is likely unintended.
12262.191 Sys [Warning]: Victim: OrokinHealingAncientAvatar15169
12262.191 Sys [Warning]: Source object: NautilusPrimeSentinelPowerSuit
12262.191 Sys [Warning]: Attempting to proc 100 instances of PT_IMMOLATION at once. This is likely unintended.
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[hollow elm]

Haven looked into them at all. I only use pet bc of retriever. I do have a ton of rivens for some of these guns tho might wanna start lookin into it

[earnest saddle]

tenacious bond is good, but it loses its effectiveness the higher up in crit tiers you go (i don't know the specifics)

[fickle whale]

Also working on other status effects and diffrent weapons + kubrows as well which you could pare together with wisp shock mote to get an actuall shock mote running nuke kubrow😅

[hollow elm]

Wich shoudl i pik?

[tidal parrot]

right

[fickle whale]

right one

[eternal prism]

2

or sell torid

[craggy niche]

Tazicor is the ultimate primer

It basically primes everything within a 30m radius at no cost to you

[lean tendon]

It's flat final so it's not gonna lose it's effectiveness

Helstrum is a better primer in terms of the number of statuses you can apply

Otherwise, Tazicor is more consistent

[gleaming oasis]

is there anything special I should know when building the Coda Hirudo for a health tank like inaros?

[hollow elm]

Oh thats sound nice. Still im kinda way too attached to beasts and retirver mods. I mean i dont even need any resources anymore basicly but i just feel hurt when i pik stuff up and do not have retriver on

[hollow elm]

Wpuld sell8ng it like this make a big differenge gomoared to unrolled or should i keep rolling if i wanna sell.(not sure maybe i keep it)

[earnest saddle]

"Critical damage multiplier is a flat final and follows the formula 1 + (tier * (crit multi - 1 + final)) where the first tier is yellow (eg. skana multi is 1.5x which is brought to 2.7x (2.7x on yellow, 4.4x on orange, 6.1x on red and so on) the impact lessens depending on modded critical multiplier)"

according to the wiki

[eternal prism]

with good roll torid have good price

even not grol

just good but u need multishot

[hollow elm]

Hm could i ask for the right one?

[eternal prism]

torid have broken formula with multishot

multishot should 100% be in riven

[hollow elm]

Yeah i just realises oly thing missing from making it it a really good roll is ms.tho a perfect neg would be max ammo or something

[eternal prism]

check market

[tidal parrot]

isnt multishot only for the primary target and the aditionall chains dont get affected by ms?

[lean tendon]

Tazicor = less statuses but reliable priming (can't do viral heat)
Helstrum = more statuses but not as fast as Tazicor
Verglas w/ riven = as long as you hit the breakpoints its really OP
Burst Laser Prime = cheap Tenacious Bond + IPS primer
Prime Laser Rifle = cheap Tenacious Bond + IPS primer

[eternal prism]

yes

but only torid have broken multishot in formula

if prime target

[tidal parrot]

verglas w/o riven is probably the best sentinel weapon as far as making the sentinel have a gun that kills people

[tepid scaffold]

Not even close to the best

PLR + arc coil/electro pulse = 7+ status instantly

[earnest saddle]

tazicor+fired up can do viral heat (the heat does not combine with the innate electricity now)

[hollow elm]

I feel like in getting closer. Or not idk

[tidal parrot]

left

[hollow elm]

Yeah ill stick with left til i get one with cd,cc and ms

[tidal parrot]

neg status chance is not a desirable negative, you wana be aiming for smthn that means rlly little like dmg to infested, zoom, recoil, and technically projectile speed as long as its not too bad as you can make up for it a bit with the incarnon

[hollow elm]

Ok so how important is ms? Should i take a riv that has ms even if it misses out on one of the crits?

[tidal parrot]

forget if dmg to corpus or grineer are considered good negatives or not but i recall infested being better cuz its just pools of health for most of them

[eternal prism]

multishot + cc/cd and fine

[hollow elm]

Im praying for a ammo max neg(incarnon yaay) or magazine neg bc its torid. But ill prib settle for something less godly 🙁

[hollow elm]

Yeah but is ms worth not having crit damage on?
E.g should i take a riv with cc and ms, or the one with cc and cd bit no ms

Or cc and ms no cd yadda yadda

I get really good ms rolls but they lack either cc or cd

[tidal parrot]

tbh any of those are fine negs although i would shy away from mag negatives

ideal negative is zoom or recoil as they mean basically nothing

[hollow elm]

Id love it tho. Torid doesnt need headshots. I had a neg mag on my dual tox riven some years ago and it was BRUTAL tho so ik whatya mean

[tidal parrot]

would also shy away from really big max ammo negs cuz then you just cant pick up ammo to reload so you end up having limited amounts of shots for the whole mission

[hollow elm]

Personally i hate zoom effect both +/- bc how percuialar i play but i guess theyd be the best ones for selling right?

[tidal parrot]

zoom or recoil just tend to be considered the best ones mostly because they dont affect the damage in any way

[hollow elm]

Doesn incarnon negate that completly? Iirc you get a mag every incarnon no?

[tidal parrot]

i dont think so

think incarnons being ammo efficent is just because they have effectively a whole 2nd ammo charge

[hollow elm]

What was the deal with punch thru on the torid? Ik ppl use firestorm for more chains or chain range and some ppl tpld me punch thru also helps with that

[hollow elm]

Lemme test rq will be back

[tidal parrot]

wana say punch through does basically nothing for the torid

[gleaming vapor]

update: uint is 5% better than pint on mesa

i cba to umbral forma my mesa tho

[hollow elm]

HUH???? MR 30 GIVES YOU 15 NEW LOADOUT SLOTS????

[tidal parrot]

and a bunch of riven slots yea

[hollow elm]

Care to elaborate?

[tame storm]

Okay what would be a good weapon to build for narmer?

[hollow elm]

That i was aiming for(also the reason i even have the torid riv hit mr 30 yesterday and opend a bunch)... i used so much palt on loadour slots bc i thought u get one per mr 🙁

[gleaming vapor]

not sure what there is to elaborate on ngl

the message says it all

[tidal parrot]

just checked and yea incarnon doesnt refresh ammo count (does reload the weapon tho)

[gleaming vapor]

umbral int is 5% better than precision int
(assuming youve subsumed nourish, which you should anyway)

unless youre running like

persistence

[tidal parrot]

i only use loadout slots for the statues in the orbiter / base of operation

[gleaming vapor]

precision is still better assuming no nourish

[hollow elm]

I didnt know uint and pint stance for prescision*/umbral intensifiy mb

[gleaming vapor]

yeah thats fair actually

[hollow elm]

Just sae mesa and decided i wanna know what u talking bout

[tidal parrot]

i was really confused for a bit trying to decifer what pint and uint were 💀

[gleaming vapor]

i feel like those are the usual abbreviations for precision and umbral idk

thats just what ive always used anyway

[tidal parrot]

idk i just put the whole thing down cuz it just makes it clear unless its a primed mod then ill do like Pflow or P.flow or smthn like that

[hollow elm]

Yeah prob its just that this gane has SO MANY " names/descriptions/titles etc" thats my brain just says nah soemtimes

[lean tendon]

that's heat damage only, no?

[gleaming vapor]

oh also
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-mGL92d09RZE_F9CgQpITkFYFMc_WWSpZHbPIKw35yI/edit?tab=t.0
mesa doc

i just wanted to share this here too

[hollow elm]

Like genuinly i think they have a sheed or soemthing and before every update they type every "name" to make sure they didnt use it in an event 7 years ago or soemthing

[gleaming vapor]

ive been working on this for a sec

[earnest saddle]

damage and status

[hollow elm]

Whats the "proper way" to open this?

For me irs chopped

[gleaming vapor]

you click the link

its a google doc

you could try my bio, its the same doc

[hollow elm]

Oh im on mobile mb

[lean tendon]

also I'm pretty sure fired up combines with elements

[gleaming vapor]

it do

[tidal parrot]

just checked it in game and it does

[earnest saddle]

really? huh

it seems like the sort of thing that would have been affected by the semi-recent change to augments like fireball frenzy

[rough gull]

Is secura lecta credit drop bugged when Gas is slotted ?

[tidal parrot]

gas and eletric

but yea, with slows it does some funky stuff and can produce insane amounts of credits

[rough gull]

wdym

oh i meant the opposite

i seem to drop less credit

[tidal parrot]

https://wfpedia.com/posts/credits/secura-lecta/introduction/basics

[rough gull]

killed 20 sp grineer and it netted me less than 2k cred

[tidal parrot]

stole this from astraye from a post of theirs a few days ago

[rough gull]

its so weird

i changed something in my build

and now i drop next to nothing

a single cred drop with no booster is like a 100

[green solstice]

what build is better for kompressa?

[cobalt token]

Idk if this is a good idea for koumei but im experimenting with it lol

[dusk kite]

Anyone got shotgun elementalis

[violet silo]

#trading or #squad-recruitment or warframe.market

[rough gull]

are those normal cred drop ? im running secura lecta. no booster no effigy

[rain fern]

for neutron star build what should i put it in for

[unique brook]

heyo anyone willin to help me make a temporary excalibur umbra build?

its not non steel path for now

[eternal prism]

vitality bad for koumei. if u want play her like caster ur damage only electricity

caster build for example

1st skill can do damage only with ragdoll setup

only based on this, your main damage is from 4 skill

If you just need koumei for the 2nd skill... then you don't really need mods except shield cd

[quiet laurel]

why are you doing lecta without any boosters

but even without boosters that seems really low

why are only 76.7% of your kills with the lecta

wait a sec

no effigy?

why even do lecta atp

do PT or index

lecta is only worth doing if you actually have the builds for the meta and run it on the meta tile with good neighboring rooms

[eternal prism]

yaaay meta

[quiet laurel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150797852029767781/1480917958984466596/meme.gif

[abstract axle]

I mean, in this case, if the question is "how to farm most efficiently", the meta strat seems incredibly relevant.

[eternal prism]

i know

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1202303293146013738/1241886904744542299/attachment.gif

[quiet laurel]

547

[eternal prism]

yes

[urban flax]

Here is my Gauss Prime build if anyone is interested
https://overframe.gg/build/986032/?saved=1773438635123

[eternal prism]

with any shool any content

except circuit

[abstract axle]

you open to some constructive criticism?

[eternal prism]

for circuit anothet arcanes

[urban flax]

Of course

[quiet laurel]

gauss build posted, its time

[eternal prism]

no gaus

[quiet laurel]

time for the moment

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1202303293146013738/1241886904744542299/attachment.gif

[urban flax]

Should I be worried???

[eternal prism]

Yes

[quiet laurel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/150313159343865856/1321587681699958825/i-text.gif

needed a bit to find it

[abstract axle]

gauss doesn't really tank on raw stats, so adaptation and guardian are both wasted on the build. molt efficiency is also a much smaller buff than arcane concentration, and is easier to guarantee on your 4.

[eternal prism]

Torid family

Dad mommy son daughter grandmother and grandfather

[abstract axle]

also as @quiet laurel stated, fast deflection and aegis will keep you upright

[eternal prism]

Tauron

Quest

[quiet laurel]

old peace

[eternal prism]

Secret underrated vazarin

https://tenor.com/view/taiho-shichau-zo-teehee-anime-youre-under-arrest-ova-gif-21342147

[quiet laurel]

unairu all I need (and dont have it)

wait

[fierce lark]

thara because redundancy is fun

[eternal prism]

Big bow

Big sword

Mega slam

[urban flax]

I swap molt efficiency for concentration and guardian with aegis?

[quiet laurel]

and adaptation for fast deflection

[eternal prism]

I love torid family

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-meme-silly-cat-silly-weep-gif-16415733508326637886

[static sphinx]

Is limbo good overall, and is he worth building?

[eternal prism]

For troll teamates

[urban flax]

Ok I wil try this build after getting the arcanes

[eternal prism]

Enough even lvl 0

[static sphinx]

So, I guess that means no. He seemed to be useless but fun from the moment I obtained him.

[eternal prism]

Btw vazarin = pocket gauss

[eternal prism]

He good for open some riven quest

With defend quest

[mighty flare]

Yea

[eternal prism]

(for troll teametes)

[mighty flare]

No

[eternal prism]

In mobile defence

[near vortex]

He's very strong if you take the time to understand his kit and the Rift mechanic

[eternal prism]

💀

[abstract axle]

ye and adaptation for deflection

[eternal prism]

Limbo was created to troll team

[static sphinx]

I've obtained him very recently, and it doesn't seem like it so far. Not that I disagree or anything.

[static sphinx]

I guess 1m creation time makes sense now

[urban flax]

Why deflection in particular?

[quiet laurel]

cause aegis removes the shield recharge delay cap on gauss after the 1st proc, so you use fast deflection + his pasisve to get such high shield recharge that he is invincible to shield dmg

[eternal prism]

I don't know how can say limbo has a good skill set when he are literally of little use now, even with augments

[near vortex]

Do you have the Rift Torrent augment?

[eternal prism]

Dome for what
Stasis for what

[urban flax]

I sadly don't have aegis :(

[near vortex]

I don't know how any frames have a good weapons buffing kit when they all get mogged by Saryn and Cyte

[novel bear]

Speaking of troll builds, can’t wait for follie’s lohk surges to get active shield gaters killed

[near vortex]

CC that CCs overguarded units
Tool to apply that CC to enemies

[near vortex]

Oh yeah can't wait
Banish Follie fr

[eternal prism]

At least they do something

He's been doing this for too long

[novel bear]

Mirage for glaives and contagion

[mighty flare]

Base limbo wont be an ability caster like sevagoth or Garuda who deals damage through their abilities

You’ll be buffing ur weapons (with his augment) and provide yourself crowd control to make it very easy

[eternal prism]

Mirage for market and my plat

[static sphinx]

I have no augments I guess. I've obtained limbo after a few hours since I've unlocked his quest, so you can tell how far I am progression wise.

[near vortex]

Limbo really shines once he gets his Rift Torrent augment

Before that he's great at not dying and having good energy economy

[static sphinx]

He's my 4th frame, doubt I can use him anywhere.

[lilac rivet]

Which build should I use on Excalibur? Keep in mind I'm a beginner.

[novel bear]

Sword

[abstract axle]

gauss gains shield delay reduction from his passive, fast deflection lets you cap it

[eternal prism]

U embellishing limbo so much. Make sure he doesn't regret it later😭

[novel bear]

Do you have melee arcanes

[near vortex]

You sound like the kind of person who thinks Revenant is fun

[lilac rivet]

Idk what is this

[eternal prism]

I have 2 kill on revenant

That enough?

[novel bear]

What mods do you have?

[lilac rivet]

They're not very good, just the basics.

[abstract axle]

I'd trade for it. You don't need anything beyond a rank zero

[eternal prism]

I play everything that is even a little bit interesting and I even tried limbo but it does it so terribly

[mighty flare]

If you don’t like how he feels then you don’t have to use/play him, have you unlocked the helminth system? You can at least throw him in there

[static sphinx]

As long as I'm not spending something like reactors it's fine. Another reason why I don't feel like building him is that he technically has prime (which is unobtainable as for now).

[quiet laurel]

just give limbo a 1 button room deleter

[static sphinx]

I haven't.

[eternal prism]

I have that

🥺

[static sphinx]

Anyway, which one is the worst of 3, Gara, Garuda, or Xaku?

[near vortex]

I mean
Pyrotechnics exists

[eternal prism]

All fine

All require little investment and are useful

[static sphinx]

I want to get the overall weakest one first.

[eternal prism]

U need slots for warframes?

[near vortex]

Weakest of them is probably Gara ig

Garuda and Xaku are both rather strong

[static sphinx]

I have free slots, and only 4 frames.

[eternal prism]

Gara nuke 20meters

Without cd

Just spam 1

[near vortex]

Garuda nuke 30m every couple seconds

[unique brook]

yall...whats wrong with my build..i dont get how to build excal umbra.. tips appreciated (i do not quite have the ability to farm sp, but i do have it unlocked)

[near vortex]

Xaku press 2 and things melt up to cap

[eternal prism]

She has longer animations, so it was rejected

All 3 frames are good and kill caps only with skills

I don't know who could be weak here

[cursive peak]

There's a widespread misconception that warframes somehow 'compare' to each other universally. They don't. They're all exceptional in their respective jobs, but very few are good at every job

[static sphinx]

I understand that. I'm not asking about strength, but about versatility.

[eternal prism]

In general, gara is very good for completing helvania quests

About the same as khora

There are very often quests to kill with a melee weapon, which is quite lazy

[static sphinx]

I guess I'll just get her first since she's technically the first one in progression. I will get them all at some point anyway.

[eternal prism]

Why can't you just not choose?

[urban flax]

Ok

[static sphinx]

I just prefer to use the "worst" ones first. I don't have any base for my choice.

[abstract axle]

Hey, do you have descendia unlocked? you get three from the not steel path one this week

[cursive peak]

Fully versatile frames tend to have rather niche setups they swap between for various things. Aside from 'kills fast' and 'survives easily' which every frame can do, there's not really any other metrics to say any one frame is more or less versatile than another.

When played and built correctly, every frame is S rank

[urban flax]

Ok I will do it then

[eternal prism]

Well, it's hard to say. Just pick the one you don't like the most in appearance...

All of them are strong and require low investment...

And they will fit absolutely everywhere

[quiet laurel]

thats just wrong

[static sphinx]

Some frames probably require extremely peculiar builds, and a lot of practice to play correctly. I might be wrong though

[cursive peak]

How so?

[quiet laurel]

I too support that every frame can do most content but there are more veratile frames than others

like volt being in almost every meta

qorvex being in not a single meta

and thats for a reason

[abstract axle]

oh, worth mentioning: DO NOT USE THE 2. the 2 makes you lose battery when shot, and you will drop below the battery threshold to stay immortal

[craggy niche]

Tazicor has the best target acquisition out of all of them

[abstract axle]

Hard disagree. as hard as you try, nokko is much better than say, banshee

[eternal prism]

Try play without primer comp and there will be no need to argue right away🐟

[cursive peak]

Well, take a look at Volt's kit. Offense, check. Defense, check. Movement, check.

Every frame has at least the first two, and speed just doesn't matter sometimes (or if you're me, it never matters regardless)

[urban flax]

I always have 2 and 4 at the same time and I'm always above the threshold, I'm constantly using 1 when playing

[static sphinx]

My regrets for picking mag are rising exponentially daily. Volt isn't very hard to obtain, right?

[cursive peak]

I mained Banshee long enough to turn her into an absolute monster. Is she as good as say, my Atlas? No. But at her job, which is weakpoint kills and area control, she's excellent.

[tepid scaffold]

You use PLR as a stat stick for manifold bond

It does not have even close to the target acquisition as something like arc coil, a 10m AoE

[quiet laurel]

if you argue that simple then yes every frame is S tier however there are frames that do things better than others
and thats the whole basis of a tierlist
though its impossible to rank frames for general content you can def argue that certain frames are more fitted for general versatility than others
or general usefulness

we can take another example of lets say cyte vs grendel
cyte is used in at least 1 meta and is just insane when it comes to KPM potential, while grendel is just best used in the helminth

[jovial flax]

guys do i keep gambling for something with +toxin

[craggy niche]

Hard disagree. Tazi will prime literally everything in a 30m radius lol

[quiet laurel]

you can make grendel work of course, but thats just player input and a lot of investment to be not even close to the capabilities of other frames

[quiet laurel]

no negative so keep gambling

you want the god roll I can sense it

[tepid scaffold]

While drawing aggro

PLR + momentous bond = every single status all at once on every enemy within 10m every 5s

[cursive peak]

I find it less than useful to have a 'one warframe fits all problems' approach. I think of them more like highly specialized tools. When used for their job, and used correctly, they excel. Outside of their niche, they are all viable, some moreso than others, yes, but true mastery is not making one tool do every job, it's fully understanding and mastering every tool.

[eternal prism]

Saryn niche

[quiet laurel]

saryn kpm mog

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1300881191087509548/1467256516099707064/aiwj5r.gif

[eternal prism]

Saryn most useless frame

[craggy niche]

Don't need to even try this cuz tazi has literally never had something not primed for me 🤣

[jovial flax]

😈

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/winkythedwarfcat-winky-cat-sad-tired-gif-6471914036130722371

Groll for sobek💀

Sobek💀

[quiet laurel]

in arbi this is true at least

[jovial flax]

Have you seen the saryn sobek build

[quiet laurel]

cyte new meta

[quiet laurel]

can sell gazillions in arbi server

[eternal prism]

You say that as if not everyone knows about this

[eternal prism]

I also want to try it someday

[tepid scaffold]

Smh it's ok if you like tazi but it is trash tier as a stat stick for manifold bond shenanigans

[jovial flax]

i suppose

[quiet laurel]

def need to do support first and learn spawns

cause cyte arbi needs good spawn knowledge

[eternal prism]

Some day

I don't know much about arbitration in general. I'm too lazy to go there

[fierce lark]

tazicor and arc coil do different things

arc coil hits more things, tazicor hits things 3x further away

[eternal prism]

But someday...

[fierce lark]

using tazicor with manifold is very dumb, it has 1 element and that element is given by both arc coil and synergized prospectus

[quiet laurel]

Low roll of the century too

[tepid scaffold]

Exactly

[quiet laurel]

you want to become a wisp kitten

[eternal prism]

Today ban

You definitely don't want to see my wisp platform

[tepid scaffold]

And if you want your companion to prime then you are wasting time if you aren't using a manifold setup

[quiet laurel]

you can get those 400% motes 🗣️

[tepid scaffold]

Something something prebuff jade

[quiet laurel]

2x pre buff 🥶

frost thermal sunder tech

[tepid scaffold]

Oh noooooo the secret arbi tech!!

[jovial flax]

opinions on which?

[quiet laurel]

arbi in its prime rn 🗣️

[tepid scaffold]

Right