builds-discussion

[violet silo]

I mean, it isn't gonna do much here. it might not even be able to handle eta enemies, can't really tell. I'm saying without the acid shells interaction, you can do far better than the sobek. Boar, hek, bassocyst, TAP, bubonico, cedo, felarx, strun to name a few

[outer jewel]

kuva nukor can do rly good damage, cycron has infinite ammo

[eternal prism]

It's really convenient, but I'm too lazy to change the operator's school anyway

[thorn oak]

if u want damage the nuker with enervate is something else

[eternal prism]

Nukor hava better damage

[violet silo]

hell it isnt even particularly fun or interesting to play sobek over these anyways

[lean tendon]

yeah but saying it is "weak" is not true either

[solid delta]

sobek is way better than like half of those you mentioned

[thorn oak]

theres always a better solution but like i said earlier the whole point of the game is playing what u like to play

[violet silo]

not without acid shells and an applicable frame

[lean tendon]

its not bad and not also great outside of acid shell abuse

[solid delta]

bassocyst is soooo overated is crazy

[thorn oak]

fast firing shotguns on top

[lean tendon]

its just mid and being mid isnt "weak" you're just in the middle

ofc until you abuse acid shells ofc

[solid delta]

what are those shotguns without the incarnon?

your argument makes no sense

[violet silo]

that is very different

[solid delta]

LMAOOO what?

[violet silo]

this build is for an acid shells-less sobek

[eternal prism]

Inkarnons the worst weapon

[thorn oak]

dude the sobek has no problem killing with clip delegation too

[violet silo]

im saying that's not good

[lean tendon]

I mean, Sobek without acid shells is more or less equivalent to incarnon weapons without incarnon

[violet silo]

sure

but those guns have crazy dispos for a reason

[lean tendon]

heck, at least Sobek still functions without acid shells

[solid delta]

you literally said the sobek was a weak gun

[karmic badger]

Hek is absolutely not better than the sobek

[lean tendon]

enjoy your Torid and Dual Tox without incarnon

[solid delta]

the hell

[thorn oak]

ok now wait a minute a lot of the shotgun incarnons are still great without incarnon

[karmic badger]

Hek has 1% status chance on the alt fire lmao

[lean tendon]

yeah but compared to Kuva Sobek, I would rather get the Sobek

[solid delta]

no theyre barely functional without the incarnon buff. And that still counts

[thorn oak]

liar I hardly use the boars incarnon

[solid delta]

can you read I said the incarnon buff

the evolutions

😭

[thorn oak]

my bad thought u meant incarnon aswell

[eternal prism]

It still have ink buffs

Cc cd

Base damage

[thorn oak]

whatever guys the most used shotguns by me are boar and kuva kohm so

[undone dust]

kuva kohm peak ✌️🥹

[woeful crest]

What can I use secondary fortitier on? I'm looking for something that packs a punch, I wanna delete eximuses out of my sight, if that's possible lol

[lean tendon]

Kuva Sobek without Acid Shells = Incarnon weapons without incarnon installed

and I would rather rock Kuva Sobek without acid shells instead of weapons without incarnon adapter installed

[undone dust]

furis incarnon

[eternal prism]

I threw it away because it was clearly weaker than anything I had used
It need riven :(

Good riven..

[thorn oak]

corrosive cold kuva kohm my goat

[violet silo]

k, ill amend that cuz saying bad isn't a reasonable thing in this game where modding can take things really far. Sobek without an acid shells setup isn't that good. That isn't to say it's bad, it's just a mid tier weapon.

[solid delta]

I put fortifier on mesa regulators

[eternal prism]

Super mistake

Where outburst

[karmic badger]

Zylok would be funny, it has a mod designed for eximus and an incarnon adapter

[thorn oak]

this is my biggest regret

[violet silo]

I think the comparing acid shells sobek to incarnons is kinda odd cuz thats ignoring the fact that it only works on specific frames, which means half the output is courtesy of the frame you're running

[undone dust]

straight piss laser

[violet silo]

ah should've pinged. @lean tendon mainly for you I thinl

[karmic badger]

And its approved by Loid

[thorn oak]

also i wanna say the kohm is not weak

though i do run a riven on mine personally but its not doing much for me

[solid delta]

and incarnons dont work on those specific frames that use the sobek

[lean tendon]

just the power level that's all

[solid delta]

oraxia cyte uriel etc

[thorn oak]

warframe players when it comes to using something they like and not what some random dude said on the internet

[eternal prism]

Uriel has a bug and he can use them

🐟

[lean tendon]

besides I didn't mention with acid shells vs with incarnon adapter, I did the opposite and made a comparison on no acid shells vs no incarnon adapter

[undone dust]

dont use kohm youll DIE in real life..

[thorn oak]

I am the Kohmer

[eternal prism]

Oraxia also can but some conditions are needed

[undone dust]

oh true my bad

[thorn oak]

My kuva kohm is named

Roo Vobucc kuva kohm

[violet silo]

good incarnons are good regardless of the frame they're on. needing a frame to work is a relevant topic in a discussion of power levels.

[violet silo]

ah then for hoangan ig

[thorn oak]

If u squint your eyes it looks like robuck kuva kohm

[violet silo]

are we assuming we still have clip delegation

[thorn oak]

I mean u said only stuff about acid shells not clip delegation

[violet silo]

yeah

[thorn oak]

I think the sobek is great, it just becomes way better with certain warframes

[violet silo]

im trying to think cuz idk if evos are equivalent to clip delegation

[thorn oak]

Incarnon weapon upgrades are better than clip delegation in some scenarios cuz it effects the base

My boar has 496% status chance

[violet silo]

my stance is that without acid shells, sobek doesn't really have a reason to be used
there are so many cool and unique shotguns available, choosing to use sobek just feels like missing out.

[thorn oak]

You can literally say that about anything in the game

Torid good so why use anything else

[violet silo]

the thing is, any of the shotguns I listed, I could play and have an awesome shotgun experience
versus sobek, which just feels like the same thing but less

[thorn oak]

Did u name the hek

[violet silo]

they all have unique traits that I dont get by playing other things

[lean tendon]

I mean, being a "mid" weapon out of 184 primary weapons without Acid Shells is great. At the very least, incarnon weapons only goes up the tier list when their incarnon adapters are installed.

Also usage is a preference thing. Players will use their favorite/comfort weapons most of the time. Huge % of the playerbase aren't even sweats min-maxers.

[thorn oak]

A lot of shotguns do not actually have unique traits

The boar has no unique trait without its incarnon

It’s literally just a shotgun

[violet silo]

hek is kinda lackluster compared to the rest I mentioned but it's still, in my opinion, a better shotgun with a unique trait

[thorn oak]

What is the unique trait

[violet silo]

kuva hek has an alt fire that fires all 4 shots at once

makes for some crispy one shots

[thorn oak]

The Tigris basically has that

Only difference is you press the same button

Instead of your alt fire button

[solid delta]

yall sleeping on the zarr alt fire 🗣️

[eternal prism]

Zarr gas build

[violet silo]

havent played tigris, couldnt tell ya if it feels better than hek.

[karmic badger]

Real question is why DE nuked the alt fire's status chance?

[undone dust]

it does not LMAO

[violet silo]

idk man

[undone dust]

tigris is a relic of its time

[violet silo]

havent heard good ratings for tigris yeah

[thorn oak]

pretty sure the tigris is still one of my most used guns

[velvet pulsar]

Charge primary crux by alt fire, exploit via primary fire (opposite of Bubonico)

[thorn oak]

guys i might be a meta slave

[violet silo]

but back to sobek
I dont feel like im missing things when I play another one of these shotguns and not sobek.

they're more fun

[thorn oak]

and that is your preference

🤯

[violet silo]

yeah but u dont share my preference so ur wrong

[undone dust]

oh true

[violet silo]

need to educate you on the right opinion

[thorn oak]

at the end of the day man use what u like

[fierce lark]

there's like 3 good guns here lol

[thorn oak]

two of them are the rubico

[undone dust]

opticor..

[fierce lark]

no the rubico sucks ass

[violet silo]

from what meta????

[thorn oak]

ok wait now

[fierce lark]

it's dogwater trash for general content, and it's good for low-effort eidolons but eidolons are dead content

[thorn oak]

i will not stand for the rubico slander

[undone dust]

are you sitting for it

[thorn oak]

yes

[violet silo]

now its ur turn
why do you like the sobek
what makes it more fun than another shotgun to you
genuinely curious

[thorn oak]

personally man i dont really like it but its not a bad weapon

i like fast firing shotguns

youve been debating with someone who doesnt even like it all along

[violet silo]

WHAT HAVE I BEEN ARGUING ABOUT THEN 💔 😭

[undone dust]

idk gun shoots i like shoot.. mmm gun..

https://tenor.com/view/winkythedwarfcat-winky-cat-sad-tired-gif-6471914036130722371

[violet silo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/741945274901200897/1027296118045941831/caption.gif

[midnight horizon]

Cedo

[violet silo]

arguing with you when you're literally proof of my point

[midnight horizon]

What happened here?

[thorn oak]

not really

ur point was that its mediocre without acid shells

my point was i dont like it but its not bad

[craggy niche]

is titania's built in buffing system enough to keep her alive fairly consistently in most content?

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162254708858167407/1368265067942121694/41154030c1f7dc46.gif

[lean tendon]

you shield gate with her, either passive or active shield gating

[violet silo]

nah, really
you support my point that many other shotguns are more powerful and enjoyable to play
obviously the opinion of one person isn't pure evidence but STILL

[midnight horizon]

Ill do it, you convince

[craggy niche]

dust and thorns combined with her inherent dodge isn't enough?

[fierce lark]

no shotgun in the game comes within a fraction of synergized sobek

[lean tendon]

no

[violet silo]

we're talking about non-synergized sobek

[thorn oak]

i can name many shotguns i would place below the sobek despite me enjoying others more

[velvet pulsar]

Sobek has 2 other exclusive mods than Acid Shells.

[fierce lark]

ive used generic slopgun sobek in archimedeas a couple times, it's pretty good

clip delegation is ridiculous if you can keep it stacked

[thorn oak]

i actually can name more shotguns id use the sobek over than shotguns id use over the sobek

[velvet pulsar]

Coda Bubonico?

[fierce lark]

uhhh there's like 5 shotguns id use over the sobek

[karmic badger]

Clip plus galv hell is funni, 475% multishot goes hard

[fierce lark]

actually 4

cedo strun basso plasmor

[thorn oak]

shotguns i would use the sobek over include, arca plasmor, basocyst, astilla, convectrix, drakgoon, hek, phage, tigris

[violet silo]

oh ofc
I can name many secondaries I'd place below the riot-848

[velvet pulsar]

Then add Overcharge

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-slap-orange-cat-slap-orange-cat-slap-bum-chonky-cat-orange-chonker-cat-gif-3305480239079074923

[thorn oak]

i said ones id rather use the sobek than

[violet silo]

thats not to say I'd use the riot, but there are many terrible secondaries

[violet silo]

tenet or normal AP

[velvet pulsar]

What's better?
Cantare or Riot?

[fierce lark]

tbf cedo is one of my most used primaries nowadays

[thorn oak]

both

dont like either of them

[mighty flare]

cantare, riot is terrible

[velvet pulsar]

I wish there were more utility primaries

[mellow nimbus]

is catalyzing shields still bugged where you get the full 1.33 seconds shield gate even if you only regen 1 shield?

[fierce lark]

utility my ass, dmg output on cedo is beyond insane

[lean tendon]

ye

[fierce lark]

it's a feature atp lol they're never fixing this

[mellow nimbus]

Awesome thanks

[velvet pulsar]

I'm already aware about cedo's performance

But because secondaries covered the damage department

Utility primaries are where it's at

[weak jasper]

Depends

[velvet pulsar]

Like Tenet Glaxion, rauta, etc

[thorn oak]

i wish i could reset my most used stuff

[weak jasper]

Like I'm working on oraxias secondary because of the amazing potential of its alt fire

[fierce lark]

i still don't know how the AX52 was my most used primary last year lol

[velvet pulsar]

Affinity
U killed more eximus with it

[thorn oak]

atleast the opticor isnt in your most used bud

[fierce lark]

i know i did at least 1 levelcap run with it on gauss

[weak jasper]

Same my most used is going to be rhino forever from the games early days

[thorn oak]

cant even tell u the last time i used the opticor dude

[weak jasper]

And that guy has been tending to my garden for a while

[solid delta]

I never noticed there's an orowyrm in mirror defense node on mars

[weak jasper]

I mean yeah

[fierce lark]

my most used weapons are gonna be knukor & tap for probably a very long time

[weak jasper]

I need to do a few sisters

[velvet pulsar]

I managed to bring Toxocyst as my new most used.

[weak jasper]

Can't figure out how to efficiently solo the granum mini game in a way that spawns a sister though

[velvet pulsar]

U need 25 kills only

Not 75

[midnight horizon]

Oh

[thorn oak]

man when is the next steel path void cascade fissure

[violet silo]

see, out of those, those 3 (bass) and hek are guns that would generally be considered better but you find less fun, while the others are just kinda meh. ofc, there are also many guns you'd find more fun, no doubt including ones that are more fun to you but worse to others. You still have a wide range of better options to play, so idk why you'd play sobek, even then.

[solid delta]

use your crewmate

[thorn oak]

the hek is not better

[solid delta]

the crewmate has aimbot

[thorn oak]

i can understand bassocyst being better maybe but the hek is literally only good on single target

[warm obsidian]

Does she even need duration since 3 and 4 are toggle

[weak jasper]

This can just be chalked up as a feature at this point. This isn't path of exile where they just kick the chair from under your legs to deprive you of important defensive tools and offer nothing in exchange

[mighty flare]

no

[violet silo]

same with non-acid shells sobek?

[thorn oak]

No because the sobek doesnt have a mag size of 4

and also blast on sobek is good

blast on hek not so good cuz u have to reload every enemy u kill

the hek is like

just not at all useable

[weak jasper]

Clip delegation exists and I already liked the base sobek

[thorn oak]

also for your info @violet silo I dont even run acid shells on my sobek

[violet silo]

do you run sobek often?

[warm obsidian]

This a good build?
https://overframe.gg/build/212520/equinox-prime/day-and-night-sleep-nuke-switch-equinox-steel-path/

[thorn oak]

no but that doesnt make it worse

[mighty flare]

yes its ok

[violet silo]

hek is plenty useable

[thorn oak]

i kinda switch from the boar to the kohm to the sobek whenever im feeling bored of one of them

[weak jasper]

Meanwhile I'm trying to make kuva ogris work lmao

The ammo economy is such a disaster

[thorn oak]

the hek is useable if u wanna reload half the mission and get like 35 kills

[fierce lark]

hek is like

[queen parcel]

anyone got a crit based nikana prime build?

[solid delta]

use cyte

[fierce lark]

an early game champion

[solid delta]

you dont even have to reload

[weak jasper]

I don't even have cyte.

[warm obsidian]

Galvanized Steel and Blood Rush :v

[weak jasper]

And he doesn't look interesting in general

[solid delta]

thats like one of the easiest warframe to get

[thorn oak]

name a time besides a boss battle that the hek is going to do more than the sobek

[solid delta]

😭

[fierce lark]

it sacs usability to do extremely large damage per shot

it was great for weird attenuation bosses like liches and archons

[weak jasper]

I've been supplementing the ammo econ with protea but honestly I got ogris for funny numbers with mirage

[violet silo]

cyte is SO interesting

[weak jasper]

Click button once clear the entire room type beat

[thorn oak]

yes i can hit a single enemy for a baszillion damage (completely overkill and pointless for general use)

[mighty flare]

1-taps thrax/acolytes very easily, good on mag too

[queen parcel]

why gal and not sac?

[fierce lark]

probably very good on nova as well

[thorn oak]

his arguement tho is that the sobek is not good without warframes and acid shells so he cant use that as a defense

[warm obsidian]

Actually depends if your utilizing Heavy attacks

[queen parcel]

no heavys

[thorn oak]

because then he would be falling back on a warframe to prove the hek is good

which would be unfair to the sobek

[queen parcel]

i dont like the dash they have on nikanas

[fierce lark]

i did say earlier, ive had to run cookie cutter shotgun build on sobek for both ETA and EDA before and it works fine, it's a good gun without the augment

[weak jasper]

You have a sniper rifle! You can reload! You can see enemies through walls!

[mighty flare]

well yeah? sobek really isn't that great without a dedicated platformer
doesn't really stand out

[thorn oak]

literally what i said, i dont even run acid shells on mine and it still gets the job done

[weak jasper]

I genuinely do not see the point of why this is in the game?

[thorn oak]

ok and the hek is not good at all besides niche uses

[weak jasper]

The design is ugly too

[fierce lark]

like it's not amazing, there are better shotguns, but it will kill things on its own, it's fine

[mighty flare]

ok?

[thorn oak]

would u agree the sobek is better than the hek in general use

[mighty flare]

you mean general use as in trash clearing?

[thorn oak]

yea i mean thats basically majority of the game

[warm obsidian]

There you have it
Galv is more suited if you don't do heavy

[weak jasper]

That's like 97% of what you do in the game lol

I had someone make fun of me in a public lobby for having an ogris "because it's useless in archon hunts". We are not in an archon hunt

[queen parcel]

hm, what if i wan't a good single target nikana prime build?

[acoustic bluff]

WHO

WHO SAID SOBEK IS MID

[weak jasper]

And speaking of mediocre stuff

How do I coda motovore

[acoustic bluff]

Are you Irish

[fierce lark]

stick primed heavy trauma on it and slam

[weak jasper]

I kind of snap bought it because the progenitor bonus was in the fifties

And now I don't really know what to do with it

[weak jasper]

No. I know a bit of Gaelic but I'm not conversant

[thorn oak]

garlic

[violet silo]

You have a sniper rifle!
which is awesome and really fun to play with, can room clear too
You can reload!
makes for great fast-paced aoe gameplay after ammo nerfs
You can see enemies through walls!
the killing power of this ability is fantastic and it's really fun with weapons like dual toxocyst for a mid-paced gameplay style. shreds enemies, makes him one of if not the highest kpm frames in the game.

[violet silo]

non-acid shells

[weak jasper]

I will not be using a sniper rifle in a horde shooter

[acoustic bluff]

Where’s your name from them, curious

[weak jasper]

Didn't read the rest of your essay

[solid delta]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cry-chud-2ur4gUCxxk2pIfm9rK

[thorn oak]

hey man u can use acid shells sobek too

[acoustic bluff]

Sobek without acid shells is okay but it’s without the aoe. why would you even bother without acid shells though

[weak jasper]

Sobek is not high on my priority list

[solid delta]

I put nourish over the sniper 😂

[acoustic bluff]

Yeah nourish/shock over the sniper for sobek

[weak jasper]

oh god I need to farm grendel twice

[thorn oak]

yea i dont see anyone use the sniper

[acoustic bluff]

This is truth nuking

[violet silo]

the sniper rifle ricochets to 5 enemies' heads. like I said, you can room clear.

[acoustic bluff]

Only people who use the sniper are single target larpers who think big numbers are everything

[thorn oak]

my friend recently got his wisdom teeth removed and was on the anasthesia and texted me nothing but truth nuke

[acoustic bluff]

Okay this is a truth nuke

[drifting grove]

5 enemies ≠ a room

[violet silo]

not that you need to, if you'd bother to read I mentioned two other styles of gameplay in my "essay"

[fierce lark]

resupply as a mechanic is pretty interesting in that enables weapons which are otherwise mid/unviable due to ammo issues

[thorn oak]

we are live action role players

[fierce lark]

cyte bramma is legitimately disgusting, haven't played him with ogris/zarr yet but those are probably a similar story

[acoustic bluff]

One must imagine 300+ kpm

[weak jasper]

Ehhh I do protea for that

[acoustic bluff]

I’ve done cyte zarr at level cap, yeah it’s fun af

[acoustic bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-7240636

[violet silo]

blast makes that higher. I've seen people argue it can nuke, which is lies, but two bullets can kill a ton of enemies

[weak jasper]

I feel like "use one very specific frame" is generally double plus ungood

[drifting grove]

what 300kpm+ we're using sniper for some reason

[fierce lark]

he has the acid shells/thermagnetic shells interactions, can run unusually high fire rate, etc etc

[weak jasper]

Protea makes a ton of ammo

[violet silo]

perfect, glad cyte isn't a one use specific frame

[acoustic bluff]

Resupply is completely different

[violet silo]

https://tenor.com/view/man-gif-27702344

[weak jasper]

Oh, moving the goalposts now

[fierce lark]

idk about ogris and zarr but bramma's ammo pickup is 1, protea can't sustain that

[weak jasper]

You are not an interesting enough individual to have a conversation with.

[fierce lark]

cyte can because every resupply is +5 shots lol

[thorn oak]

truth nuke

[drifting grove]

bramma in the big 26 wow

[fierce lark]

and electric resupply (with or without shards) will make bramma 1shot everything within a 10m radius of every arrow explosion

[violet silo]

you say something, I say otherwise, and im moving the goalposts.

[thorn oak]

are you a gaslighter

[drifting grove]

ts bait gtfo pls

[violet silo]

am I being baited

cuz I feel like im being baited

[fierce lark]

like i dont see how cyte is any less "interesting" than volt or saryn or dagath or any other high output gun platform

[drifting grove]

oh hes in cascade club that makes sense hes obv larping

[violet silo]

im probably being baited huh

[fierce lark]

cyte actually has unique mechanics he can use to break certain weapons

[thorn oak]

what is the hate for cascade club

[violet silo]

me? I've never sent a message in cascade club. I'm there for the google doc.

which is very helpful

[fierce lark]

they have a tendency to treat warframe as if levelcap is the only gamemode and assume every discussion has that in mind

[drifting grove]

not all cascade club members but always a cascade club member

[violet silo]

huh?

[drifting grove]

huh?

[violet silo]

you're in cascade club

[drifting grove]

no idk wym

[thorn oak]

this is very reasonable i had a bit of a disagreement with someone from it cuz they sent a level cap mirage that completely relied on 3 teammates to actually be decent

for an arbi by the way

[acoustic bluff]

This is NOT true

[violet silo]

god its getting hard to tell whos serious anymore

[fierce lark]

i have receipts

[acoustic bluff]

I speak in the server all the time

My receipts beat that

[thorn oak]

we are banning you from this server

[drifting grove]

ts is false

[acoustic bluff]

Anyways this argument can go to level cap

[fierce lark]

nah my only negative interaction so far with cascade club was corpse faction claiming that torid is mid because it doesn't scale into levelcap without buffs

[acoustic bluff]

Omfg

[drifting grove]

well thats corpse so

[acoustic bluff]

@drifting grove this is like Evan burger

😭

[drifting grove]

yeah this is like evan burger

[acoustic bluff]

Only negative interaction
Corpse faction
Literally grass is green

😭

[drifting grove]

corpse faction is just a very negative person

[fierce lark]

and then i brought that argument up to someone else without a namedrop and they immediately said "it was probably the one mod that has a hate erection for torid"

[thorn oak]

i hate everything

[coral crest]

Reminds me of how someone immediately clocked that I talked with Mehi

[acoustic bluff]

Dw he has a hate erection for literally everything he doesn’t make himself

[drifting grove]

c/mehi

shit

[acoustic bluff]

Hunkpain, this simpletons dont understand how much you levelcap 😭 you could stand still for 10 minutes at lvl9999, ive had you in a squad b4. You're insane pro. Get these noobs out or 1v1 pigeon to prove their leader is tr(ash)!

[thorn oak]

hunkpain intro

[drifting grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1111170692902301788/1370028649402728520/togif.gif

[thorn oak]

we all played that before

[acoustic bluff]

Yeah he didn’t like getting told to use corrosive projection on hildryn

[violet silo]

man im so lost
the cascade club lore is not something im versed in

[acoustic bluff]

Proceeds to 4 cast pillage

[thorn oak]

hunkpain intro has to be top 10 worst things ever made

[fierce lark]

i cant say shit tbh ive been in kagura games' discord for like 2 years

[drifting grove]

clams and mehi and Sanford = fraud and thats about it

[acoustic bluff]

Okay easy way to sum it up
People get banned
Sometimes for no reason
Mods are larping

[violet silo]

so
discord

[drifting grove]

#freeskips

[acoustic bluff]

And also some people just are mega dented

Like clams mehi
Mehi is pretty chill though outside of wf

[fierce lark]

i wear this headset like 16hrs a day you should see my dent

[violet silo]

so
humanity

[acoustic bluff]

Yeah, cc is life ong

[thorn oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1097092814006931557/1458472836237889791/cat_fish.gif

[eternal prism]

Fish

[thorn oak]

you ever ate goldfish before

[mild summit]

Does anyone have a good equinox build idk how to build them tbh

[eternal prism]

No

[thorn oak]

sometimes i talk to people and i can tell theyve never ate a frog leg before

[eternal prism]

Simply range you probably don't want to use any other abilities except your ult

[acoustic bluff]

Peak

[eternal prism]

They are simply not interesting...

[acoustic bluff]

I’ve eaten a frog leg

[eternal prism]

Just stand afk and go boom

[thorn oak]

taste like chicken man

[eternal prism]

But technically, equinox is immortal. Until the first nox

[thorn oak]

everything that shouldnt taste like chicken tastes like chicken

[mild summit]

Any recommendations for other mods for them?

[eternal prism]

Use the night form of the ult and catal shields

And u win game

Just hit the enemies

You can use the augment for the 4th ability to sometimes do a nuke

[thorn oak]

My warframe is strong

[eternal prism]

And the casting speed(It seems to affect the animation of the ult)

[mild summit]

Alright

[eternal prism]

Also i have secret duality build

[eternal prism]

You can use this but it obliges you to use ogris or akaruis and vazarin

[craggy niche]

okay that friggin boar is insane on gyre lol

[coral crest]

https://tenor.com/view/yawn-boar-pig-hog-summer-gif-10546652396781305870

[craggy niche]

she synergizes well with both modes

[eternal prism]

it becomes normal with any platform

I don't like it as a standalone weapon

[craggy niche]

beams are especially funky on gyre for proccing her aoe

[eternal prism]

atleaast viral it need...

[craggy niche]

more crits more betterer

[eternal prism]

well crit boar better then status...

[craggy niche]

i'm wondering if increasing the base crit with the last node increases the beam crit as well

[eternal prism]

yes ofc

but

without riven boar need status node

After testing, even with status chance in riven critical boar wins.

but without riven status node better

[craggy niche]

that's definitely a take. i think i'll do my own testing tho 😉

[eternal prism]

https://warframe-damage.com/ ur welcom

[craggy niche]

using it as a tool to proc gyres ability is not something a calculator is going to give you lol

it will show you outright dps but that's it, this is not the control we are looking for here

[eternal prism]

There you can add her augment, I think.

If not, you can try another calculator

[craggy niche]

for gyre specifically crit will win out either way. don't need no fancy calcs to tell me that 😉

[eternal prism]

In any case, it's unlikely that the status chance gives much if gyre has a 100% chance status

[craggy niche]

now you're thinkin with your noodle

[craggy niche]

so beam spreads guaranteed electricity procs thanks to conductive, 3 tauforged violet give me plus 45 percent ability damage on anything procced with electricity, beam crits like crazy and throws more lightning bolts around than zues on a cocaine bender thanks to cathode current (that do more damge thanks to the tau violets). plus you know up to 3 seperate instances of +190% free electricity damage added to gun lmao

[eternal prism]

Well then, it's basically like any other platform. The closest thing to this is lavos

cus gyre cant triplie dip statuses

also as lavos

[craggy niche]

570 percent free electric damage is pretty crazy lol

[eternal prism]

Well, it's enough to take the fact that even 200 is more than enough to even kill level caps. For me, this augment is still not convenient

[compact cypress]

im hearing lavos and gyre what are you guys talking about?

my two most played rn

[eternal prism]

just about how much the augment gives damages

[craggy niche]

and free seperate status instances

[compact cypress]

lavos' gives 200% as a seperate proc right?

[eternal prism]

yes

[compact cypress]

i honestly dont know quite how gyres is i just know it shreds

[craggy niche]

yeah i run bi aug, cathode and conductive and holy

she's fun, i'm building boar for her to spam bolts and statuses everywhere to proc tauforge violets

i wish pillage wasn't so clunky, i'd drop the tau yellow i have for cast speed in a heartbeat for another violet lol

[eternal prism]

it not looks like instance

It stacks with other electricity-giving mods and is not included in the status damage calculation

undder these conditions, gyre's buff is still weaker than lavoss because his damage is included in the status damage calculation formula

[craggy niche]

if she couldn't triple it you might have a point lol

[eternal prism]

Lavos can't do that either. But it's included in status formula

with 100% status proc

[craggy niche]

gyre can

[eternal prism]

So if I make a weapon without dd status, lavos will simply make it look like I'm using an additional mod

nope gyre cant tripple dip

her status is still weaker simply because her status is not calculated in the formula

[craggy niche]

Youre missing the point entirely lol

Lavos doesn't have the other half of her kit that ties into this. The only thing he does is status damage 💔

[eternal prism]

At least it's more useful than the gyre skill set. But it's your choice what to use.

[warm obsidian]

Archon Vitality a must for Gauss?
And Netron Star Nova

[midnight horizon]

Yes

In my experience Archon Vitality is base on what you want... But it helps with damage for his 3

I might reconsider it not using it bc I'm mostly focusing on CC but its a must for most builds

[warm obsidian]

Might go for it now since I Also have Protea

[midnight horizon]

Good luck tenno

[midnight horizon]

Oh yeah and for Nova, yes it's a must for her damage on 1

Mix that with Nourish and you're good

[warm obsidian]

Yeah...
Won't be a while till I get Grendel

[midnight horizon]

Aight, till then you'll get it

Nourish is just an "added Effect"

Sort of putting Viral Heat on weapons

But on Nova's 1

[warm obsidian]

Looking up builds and it always Nourish or Roar

[midnight horizon]

Yuppers

[warm obsidian]

Might slot in Roar on Valkyr

[compact cypress]

roar over her 3 is what i run

[warm obsidian]

That's the plan since I rarely use her 3 too

[midnight horizon]

What's her 3?

[eternal prism]

no

u can replace only 1 valk

and use augment for 3

[warm obsidian]

I really like ripline though

[eternal prism]

ot not replace

[midnight horizon]

My Valkyr is now a flower

[eternal prism]

u not want roar on valk

3 pretty strong

[warm obsidian]

It's just free combos when 1 lands

[eternal prism]

imagine

u hit 1000 dmg

with bane it 1500

wit 100% 3 skill it 3k

wit bane mod it multy dmg

without bane it only 2k

(roar it bane)

Now imagine that a Valkyrie is capable of dealing billions of damage

with only 3nd skill

[eternal prism]

use archguns arcana for combo

[warm obsidian]

?

[eternal prism]

arch guns have slots for arcanes

sec and primary arcane can give combo duration

20 sec in total

this and simillar for sec

[near vortex]

yeah, combo duration statstick archguns exist

[warm obsidian]

Interesting...

[near vortex]

I personally have actual builds for my Grattler and Morgha because they're kinda cracked

[warm obsidian]

Any good Archgun then?
Don't want to waste a arcane slot on base one

[eternal prism]

any

[near vortex]

Kuva Grattler

[eternal prism]

or ayanga kuva

[near vortex]

Hang on lemme grab a tierlist someone made

[eternal prism]

In any case, you most likely won't use them

maybe sometimes

maybe...

[near vortex]

They're excellent in EDA and ETA when your weapons are bad and gear is enabled

[eternal prism]

use operator...?

[near vortex]

do people unironically clear ETA as operator

that cannot be real when archguns exist

[eternal prism]

never use archguns to be honest

[near vortex]

You should
Fantastic weapons

[eternal prism]

nooooo

[near vortex]

Need formorian to come back for the 60/60s though

[warm obsidian]

Thought they were mission specific

[near vortex]

R5 fortuna lets you use them anywhere

at least anywhere where gear wheel is enabled

[warm obsidian]

Breh still at R1

[near vortex]

You'll get there

[eternal prism]

u can use atlaest this build for valk

[near vortex]

R5 fortuna is very worth it

[eternal prism]

it can hit lvl cap

so

[near vortex]

You can do level cap with a lot of things

[eternal prism]

anyway u not should swap 3st skill

[eternal prism]

yes i know

[near vortex]

That archgun tierlist was made specifically for Cascade cap

[eternal prism]

soon nekros sumonner...

not like cascade

disruption enjoyer

[warm obsidian]

Prefer health tanking with Persistence

[near vortex]

There's a Nekros summoner cascade build that lets you make Thrax into your summons

[warm obsidian]

And that one Augur mod that gives energy on HP damage

[eternal prism]

i want demolisher sumonn...

[midnight horizon]

ohhh

[eternal prism]

no ohh

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-22093205

help me
I am being used for not the best purposes

[warm obsidian]

Tenokai consumes combos?

[eternal prism]

no

[compact cypress]

no it doesnt

[wild rune]

fun fact, this used to be how it worked for a while, in a roundabout way
Back when Status Chance capped at 100% so that every one instance of damage procced one status effect, shotguns would have the typical status chance shown, but there was an odd split function that would split, say, a 99% chance into roughly 35% per pellet
If a shotgun ever reached 100% status chance, every single pellet would then always proc a status, making weapons like Tigris Prime truly ridiculous
I don't remember the wackadoo code that did this, but it basically meant that shotguns had to reach 100% status chance or it wasn't a real gun

Status Chance on shotguns was finally changed to a different per-pellet chance six years ago

-# dear lord that was six years ago

[summer moon]

thrax plasma?

[night laurel]

six years ago the slash Tigris died...

[eternal prism]

even not

[night laurel]

i remember it like it was yesterday...

[eternal prism]

just relics

[wild rune]

gone, but never forgotten...

[green gyro]

steel charge😭

[eternal prism]

It doesn't matter what you use
I would like to use the aura to detect enemies

which I generally use often

[fierce lark]

i did EDA once as operator because i was using elec sagek with flare on uriel and forgot to put heat back on it so it did 0 dmg

[vale cosmos]

I dont remember how to build saryn since I haven't used her in forever is this build a good nuke build?

[granite ginkgo]

are u playing her in steel path mode?

[vale cosmos]

Nope just for farming uriel mats

[granite ginkgo]

yea it enuff

[vale cosmos]

Also would acceletra be good for this?

[karmic badger]

just about anything modded for multishot and gunCO can handle base starchart

[vale cosmos]

Ight

[karmic badger]

now keep in mind once you hit Steel Path the acceltra needs double the investment in terms of buffs compared to other weapons to keep up

[near vortex]

If you happen to be at Sedna you can do Acid Shells Sobek

[vale cosmos]

Sobek?

[granite ginkgo]

kuva sobek is best in slot weapon for saryn, for her weapon platform loadout

[vale cosmos]

Ohhhh

[granite ginkgo]

miss key item u need the augment and kuva for innate element

[vale cosmos]

That ugly looking thing

[fierce lark]

acid shills

[karmic badger]

the best acid outside a trip

[granite ginkgo]

best toxic relationship to be with saryn

too bad she w ||frost cannoncally||

[karmic badger]

if we ever see ||Rusalka|| ever again she better be have viral abilities

[granite ginkgo]

i look forward to new element, plague hahaha

just what if

[acoustic bluff]

Ogris

Ogris is cooler

[karmic badger]

ogris is a bit more niche

sobek atleast has the option to be used by non acid-tech frames

[versed harbor]

I just use ogris too many frames tbh so I dont use it on saryn

sobek is cool as a regular status shotgun too ye

[boreal sandal]

How often do people use shotgun cannonade on Corinth prime?

I got a riven with +100% cd and +110% cold and -50% fire rtae

[versed harbor]

based pfp

[solid delta]

never

it has high ammo capacity and high firerate

[rare ruin]

on hildryn should i run precision intensify or umbral intensify both have pros and cons idk which one to choose

[solid delta]

precision

[rare ruin]

this is what i am already using but the umbral one buffs:

-base damage of the balefire
-possible subsume of the third

• (this is bad) armor strip from 2nd ability
• also can buff the effect of arcane expertise (str modifiers applied to shields)

so idk, seems not that bad

[fierce lark]

why is buffing the armor strip bad

[rare ruin]

bc you want to be able to cast the 2nd ability more often to have a consistent source of shields if you armor strip 80-100% shields/armor in one cast then you risk of running out if you can't kill the whole map fast enough or if you forgot to recast

[solid delta]

you oneshot everything with the altfire anyway

[fierce lark]

i wouldn’t take that into consideration for deciding which intensify to run, it’s not gonna be consistent either way unless you only play solo

[rare ruin]

true

[fierce lark]

if you do then it only fullstrips at 328

[boreal sandal]

wouldnt that make it better for cannonade since its base firerate is already good?

so you dont need any fire rate increase?

[rare ruin]

yeah maybe i am overthinking about that part, ignore the point for the armor strip then, can be seen as a pro or con depending on the situation

[solid delta]

I mean yeah I guess it might work

but ive never seen a canonnade build

[fierce lark]

the only shotgun ive seen run cannonade is the strun

[rare ruin]

also another question about hildryn, is Archon Vitality worth using? i guess not since it's more raw damage based

[fierce lark]

helps manage incarnon mag and it shoots fairly fast already

[solid delta]

its really awkward if you dont oneshot the enemy when you run cannonade

[fierce lark]

definitely not

[solid delta]

balefire doesnt have good status chance

[rare ruin]

yeah

ok fair, was to make sure lol

[midnight horizon]

hold on

[late hemlock]

You kill with damage and not status so definitely not

[midnight horizon]

whats the build for styanax

like the focus

and is the augment of his 1 needed?

[rare ruin]

current build, maybe js cunning drift instead of aviator is viable but that doesn't count so much xD

[late hemlock]

Do not ever use precision intensify on hildryn

Use umbral

[rare ruin]

yeah i realized i had vitality on the third config but js for the the thermal sunder config

[late hemlock]

Casting anything during her 4 will cancel precision intensify entirely

So using pillage or a subsume during 4 makes it worthless

Until you recast 4

[rare ruin]

uh why i asked that like 20 min ago and i was answered that precision is better, that was my initial doubt

[rare ruin]

.

[late hemlock]

It is better on paper if you dont use any other ability during her 4

So in conclusion anyone that tells you to use precision never actually noticed that its not even active lol

[midnight horizon]

guys i...really need a build for Styanax

[late hemlock]

It is very easy to see if you go into 4 then cast any ability and see the arcane expertise % at the UI drop by 90%

[midnight horizon]

at least his most focused to least focus on his build

[rare ruin]

it doesn't benefit from str snapshot?

[late hemlock]

No it doesn't snapshot

And it hurts your max shields as well even if it did

So it is just very very bad

Otherwise I'd also boot fast deflection since its just never active if you use her 4 so it isnt doing anything

[rare ruin]

i have one but i don't like it so i am not suggesting xD

[rare ruin]

i use it as survivability when i stop using her 4th

[late hemlock]

Just press 2 once and regen all your shields

If its about the recharge delay after a shield break you are better off using rolling guard

[rare ruin]

is the problem with precision a known bug or intended mechanic ?

[midnight horizon]

eh its ok

[late hemlock]

Its how the mod works in general

The last button press has to be 4 for precision to remain active

Whether its intended or a bug idk

[rare ruin]

no ok it must be a bug i tried in sanctuary and the 90% str isn't applied to the 4th ability even without casting anything else

[late hemlock]

Its automatically activating when you press 4 and should stay active

Either way use umbral

[rare ruin]

i entered simulacrum> pressed 4 > checked in ability tab to see the stats and it was still the wrong number

[clear gale]

Hii. Does anybody has a really good build on ignis wraith?

[late hemlock]

Just check arcane expertise % near the health bar, easiest way to catch

[eternal prism]

hmmmm koumei can kill level cap enemys from skills...

[tawdry moon]

Just got myself nyx prime and i think the only good way to play her is turning her into a weapons platform with her 3 and 4 augments, cuz i subsumed her 1 off for nourish. Its actually pretty fun

[surreal willow]

is this any good for gyre to follow? https://overframe.gg/build/939628/gyre-prime/pure-ability-nuke-gyre-mecha-set/ i kinda wanna do more dmg

this is the current one im building: https://overframe.gg/build/935597/gyre-prime/flux-dancer-gyre-steel-path-aoe-weapon-platform-lazy-survivability/

[hollow plover]

how to build diriga for melee spam?

[lucid flint]

like a primer?

[hollow plover]

yea

[eternal prism]

After looking at the build a bit and seeing what he shows in his videos, it's different build, you know?

He uses so many survivability slots for no reason

easiest option without using vazarin is augur mod (any), catal shields, and pillage
this makes it almost impossible to die. Or just pillage, but you need to understand that this is a more complex option

[lucid flint]

This is my diriga arc coil primer build. Here's the important information for the choices I make.
Diriga isn't using the assault precept because it interferes with his arc coil, same reason why electro pulse isn't here.
Manifold bond lets arc coil apply status effects from your weapon, meaning every status on my burst laser prime is applied to arc coil.
Tenacious bond lets me reduce recovery time and boosts my final crit damage by 1.2x if my companion weapon has over 50% crit.
Thats why I use burst laser prime, you can use any companion weapon with over 50% crit chance.
Synth deconstruct makes enemies drop more orbs.
Mystic bond will proc a lot since arc coil is used so often.
Momentous bond gives arc coil even more random elements and more recovery.

[eternal prism]

damage will be enough for your basic sp anyway. arcana he uses for rolls is not at all convenient and I wouldn't recommend using it at all.

[hollow plover]

how do i get burst laser primee?

[lucid flint]

uhhh there might be easier options and burst laser isn't the best one either I think

burst laser is shade prime

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1147966476079345674.gif?size=48&name=fishierotate&quality=lossless

[lucid flint]

I think the following work
Laser Rifle / Wyrm
Prisma Burst Laser / Prisma Shade
Vulcax / Fortuna
Prime Laser Rifle / Wyrm Prime
Burst Laser Prime / Shade Prime
Vulklok / Diriga
work

speaking of vulklok

what happened to mine...

oh my lord I deleted it

WHY

[solid delta]

you should use burst laser/laser rifle because those 2 have ips

[lucid flint]

yes

I think laser is better but I could be wrong

[solid delta]

it depends if you wanna use augur mods or vigilante mods on them for extra utility

if you dont it doesnt matter because you dont wanna use assault mode anyway

[lucid flint]

ah true true

well duplex bond spawns them anyway

at least with my build

[solid delta]

they have terrible status chance duplex bond is kinda a waste of a mod slot imo

and with a primer build they will never kill an enemy

[lucid flint]

true wasnt sure what else to put

[solid delta]

for any enegy orbs

[lucid flint]

I was playing with astral bond

[solid delta]

maybe seismic bond

[lucid flint]

Can I assume viscious bond wont proc

ah yeah it wont

I think seismic bond works better probably

astral if im feeling interesting

[hollow plover]

damn is it good?

[lucid flint]

no not really but I like to have everything, its okay

if you want priming I would suggest using a different sentinel weapon, if you really really want that extra final crit chance and you dont have any of the others I guess you can use it

[midnight horizon]

My Valkyr is now a flower

[craggy niche]

This is what I use

Top arcane is flexi, I just like accel to pump more crits for the ability.

Aura can be swapped out for corrosive to get a Lil more armor strip as armor strip is more important than damage for her ability set

[eternal prism]

(I'll just mention that this build isn't level cap friendly, but if you're not going for it, it'll be fine)

[surreal willow]

😭😭😭 I just want one that I could follow ahhh

[green gyro]

circumvent+aegis, nourish over 2

[eternal prism]

circumvent😭

In general, there are many options for her builds, I personally use this one

[toxic birch]

Is this enough build for zariman?

[eternal prism]

zariman what? zariman level cap?

🐟

[hexed lodge]

Not enough strength, you need 255% to meet the breakpoint for the nuke.
Try to replace one of the arcanes with molt augmented and that should do it.

wait, no Roar either... you planning to use Viral instead?

[eternal prism]

with roar not need 255

some less even

[hexed lodge]

that's the breakpoint so true dmg deals 100% with Roar, including single-targets unless you prime them

[eternal prism]

🐟

Just change skill 4

[hexed lodge]

Is that Precision Intensify?

[eternal prism]

yes

it ecenomy a lot slots

[severe bough]

Are that lvl cap enemys?

No

255% is the threshold to oneshot

With roar

[eternal prism]

Because the claws are completely inconvenient and useless. They might do good damage, but they're super slow and their stance is awkward

[eternal prism]

sevagoth do here 100% hp enemy

[severe bough]

U still need 255% str

[eternal prism]

What difference does it make what level?

[hexed lodge]

ah then for Precision Intensify is 217% str, but it significantly reduces Gloom's slow from a 20x slow to a 4.16x
I call precision the budget version for this reason

[severe bough]

If u want to oneshot lvl cap enemys

[eternal prism]

If you replace the 4th skill, no

I didn't even think about the build and stuck all sorts of things in there. You don't need a lot of str

We've already run and tested the build a hundred times

[hexed lodge]

Also Simulacrum is not a realistic test for Sevagoth's nuke cause it adds the Blast AoE factor, if you really want to test the nuke, do it in the Duviri Simulacrum

[severe bough]

to oneshot lvl cap enemys u still need 255% with roar

[eternal prism]

Go to level cap and check. I've already tested it

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-22093205

[toxic birch]

I don't have good arcanes i just unlocked zariman now

[hexed lodge]

I have done plenty of caps with Sev, solo, with and without Roar...

[eternal prism]

If you took this from the wiki, it doesn't take into account that roar isn't the 4th skill

[eternal prism]

I told this to another person

not u

[lean tendon]

155% + 60% from molt + 90% on 4th = 305 strength

Bro thats 255 or more which is the breakpoint

[hexed lodge]

bruh you literally replied to me, but fair.

[onyx quail]

guys caliban prime or protea prime

[eternal prism]

check video

here even not 255

🐟

Why do you think I stack aracan?

[hexed lodge]

That's not how it works...
The nuke works cause it amplifies the 25% true damage from Sow to 100% thanks to Roar's buff and Reap's debuff combined, Precision Intensify is only boosting Roar's buff.

[lean tendon]

Even if you don't include molt, its still 245 which is just 10 less + simulacrum is innacurate due to the blast

[eternal prism]

I've already tested this everywhere possible and it will still work. Why don't you check it yourself?

[lean tendon]

I know bro I'm literally criticizing him. I'm just saying his build hits breakpoints anyways

[hexed lodge]

Yeah if you want a true test, again, do it in the Duviri Simulacrum

[eternal prism]

or just go lvl cap cascade die and cast again without arcana...

I don't know why you think this won't work

or disruption as u want

[lean tendon]

Bruh every time I see you talk here, everything you say is just bad information. Damn bro I'm just gonna list you as a troll.

[eternal prism]

I never said anything bad. I test first and then speak.\

[hexed lodge]

We aren't saying it won't work, just that it can be incosistent because you are gambling on the Blast AoE also helping you.
I really want to see this on single targets like thraxes

[eternal prism]

You dont, it says someone else

[lean tendon]

Sending a video of a flawed test + saying 255 breakpoints is not needed is not bad? Xd bruh

[eternal prism]

255 is only needed if roar is not skill 4

[lean tendon]

What

[eternal prism]

Try reading the wiki information at least more carefully atleast

[lean tendon]

Your Roar is literally on 4

???

[eternal prism]

im need rage for 255%
here roar uses even less

[hexed lodge]

It's either 255% or 217% before Precision Intensify to deal 100% True damage with Sow.
255% is still suggested is to get Gloom's slow cap (272%, you snapshot it with a focus school), and if you aren't using Gloom, then why remove 4th? it can prime-nuke for you.

[eternal prism]

Why take into account corrupted mods that force you to somehow balance stats?

you will get less than you could in any case

[eternal prism]

im not need gloom anyway

I didn't even use it (vazarin moment)

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-meme-silly-cat-silly-weep-gif-16415733508326637886

It would be easier for me to press 1 and 2

[hexed lodge]

If you like to play this way, that's fine... you're just spreading bad/innacurate advice though.
Yes, you don't technically have to meet breakpoints for Sevagoth's nuke, because he also has a Blast AoE. But that means if you don't meet breakpoint, you will kill most instead of all enemies. That's all I'm tryin to say

[eternal prism]

When using 255 strength you must use corrupted mods and literally ruins the stat ratio
This is all fixed by 1 mod, which technically doesn't give any str.
you still don't need to reach 255 for map one-shots

[main silo]

any of u guys play the nova max range nourish build? how does it compare to just max duration, not a lot of range ?

[green gyro]

what?

you don't need corrupted

[eternal prism]

not about it

[green gyro]

the build has zero corrupted mods

you can slot overextended with invig

that's all

[craggy niche]

Says my build isnt cap friendly

Posts worse build

🤣

[eternal prism]

for ur build need vazarin

I said about mine that

u not

Most people don't use vazarin

[hexed lodge]

I feel you just don't understand you can use Molt Augmented and shards too. Reallistically the only corrupted mod you need is Transient Fortitude, which actually synergizes with Shadow Haze.
You can run a precision intensify build, but I call it the budget version for a reason, it just won't perform as well as a 255% build with more investment.

[green gyro]

you don't need transient fortitude

[eternal prism]

i know

I wrote about this above because I didn't use shards for it

[green gyro]

why not use shards

not like they are hard to get anymore

[eternal prism]

If I used it, I wouldn't include it in my build

[eternal prism]

because I don't play him often enough to use it in him

I still need shards for other frames

[hexed lodge]

I know you don't, but that means you outsource str with other sources (arcanes/shards) which can be more investment.
What matters is the breakpoint anyways

[craggy niche]

They are still a pain in the ass if you dont already have a bunch lol

[eternal prism]

i spend 4 park and 1 cast speed for yareli

now i need yelow shards...

[hexed lodge]

Bold of you to not play sevagoth enough to put shards and be so confident on your take
but aight

[eternal prism]

Because there are people besides me who play with him more often than me. I just had to test it

[hexed lodge]

So if i tell you I prob have more experience than them, would you believe what I say?

[eternal prism]

maybe
In any case, I accept any information if it concerns the optimization of something.

[hexed lodge]

You can literally Google my ign and you will find plenty of sevagoth guides and stuff
||plus, I have +1k hrs on him, i try to keep his wiki updated, and have 7 prime sevagoths fully sharded with +30 loadouts, i'm a sevy addict sorry...||

also fair, you play the way you want, just wanted to avoid bad info spreading around

[novel bear]

Precision intensify needs 217 strength to work
Umbral intensify is just better, even if it needs more forma

[versed harbor]

30 loadouts on sev :/

[viral totem]

Can anyone help me understand and make a chroma steel path build?

[zenith mauve]

Anyone who has some good protea and nova builds? :)

[hexed lodge]

I think it's mainly +duration and +strength, but if you want more advanced info you can check out content creators like dotthanda and Deathcrown Variety

[nocturne thicket]

Made my poop team mate hit damage cap

[coral crest]

Oh hi @hexed lodge

Been some time

[hexed lodge]

Hi nuclear, missed ya.
Doing better?

[coral crest]

Nooot really

But I'm figuring things out slowly

[hexed lodge]

well, that's progress at least

have you been active here?

[coral crest]

Not really

Switched to Deadlock mostly

[hexed lodge]

Oh cool, hope you have fun and are doing better. I'm not too active here either
||but ofc, someone mentioned sev and i magically appeared lol||

[coral crest]

Spreading the truth

Doing the captain justice

[dawn crown]

Does anyone know how much warframe armor is lost from heat and corrosive

[eternal prism]

Just like enemies

[dawn crown]

so half from heat and quarter from corrosive?

can warframes take multiple stacks of these status

[eternal prism]

Well, if you somehow allow it to happen...

[eternal prism]

I'm not sure, but it might be from jade

I saw how this was abused on trinity

[lean tendon]

26% from corrosive and up to 50% from heat. No stacks.

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Status_Effect

^includes enemy and player interaction

[eternal prism]

Well, overall it's almost like for enemies. It's strange that heat strip more then corr

[zenith mauve]

are ninjase builds on overframe any good?

[urban steppe]

weird question, if I were to stream my screen in a vc, would anyone be able to join, look at my entire setup, and possibly tell me how to better optimize for steelpath? I have some build ideas I wanna do, but don't know what I'm capable of doing as I am

[craggy niche]

Objectively the best all around

[urban steppe]

or is there a better way to go about this

[dawn crown]

sure

[urban steppe]

it appears I can't see any of the vc's lol

[dawn crown]

just dm me the screenshots

or call

[lean tendon]

He updates frequently and a good starting point. I believe he also has a YouTube channel so if you prefer videos then you have that as well.

[zenith mauve]

Ohh really?

[zenith mauve]

yeaa i saw, like everything i search up, he's there

[craggy niche]

He also has detailed written out guides in every one with reasoning as to why he did it and flexi slots/why you might want to flexi there etc

Hes really good

[lean tendon]

Not necessarily BiS builds but he gives a good amount of information on what stats this X frame should use and other stuff like Archon Shard recommendations and Helminth Subsume. His builds are also mostly catered for newer players + non-subsume but also tries to give and explain subsume variants of the builds.

[craggy niche]

Keep in mind tho if youre still on base star chart you just kinda need the idea of a good build and itll work for ya, hell even base sp isn't that hard. Most of his builds are fine tuned for L 1000 and up endurance through trial and error

So you might not need any crazy specific stuff at max rank until youre trying to do endurance to flex or whatever

[zenith mauve]

thats a lot of good info, thanks a lot guys

i appreciate it

[lean tendon]

Not really catered for 1000 up but just general SP

[craggy niche]

Most of his builds will say endurance meaning 1000 up

Or meaning that's exactly what theyre catered towards lol. They wont say endurance if they're not meant for it

[green gyro]

his builds are good, for some niche stuff it's not gonna be the most optimal option but they are never bad

[craggy niche]

Hes also really good with weapons too like I really wanted higasa to work and did his primary frostbite version and that thing honestly kinda slaps lmao

[zenith mauve]

good to know! i have been struggling to make weapon builds work pff

[lean tendon]

No it's for general SP. It being able to do endurance doesn't mean it is tuned for it. It's also why he gives non-subsume variants and various options.

Nonetheless it's a great starting point for new players just from the amount of explanation he does on his guides.

Although he does make level cap guides as well iirc or at least I vaguely remember he has one.

[acoustic bluff]

Yeah he’s pretty good

He’s very active within the community

Could prob ping him here and he would reply

[craggy niche]

He wouldnt list them as endurance if they weren't tuned for it 🙄

Endurance implies level cap.

[acoustic bluff]

Gang just use the build if it works for endurance it works for everything 99% of the time

[green gyro]

he's done a lot of solo cascades

on lots of different frames

[acoustic bluff]

yeah he thoroughly tests his builds usually

and if things can be tweaked he’ll say that

[green gyro]

not always perfect but he actually thinks thru the mod options and doesn't make stupid choices which makes the builds better than basically anything else on that website

[zenith mauve]

and he's also on of the few people who has up to date stuff on the site, thats really nice

[acoustic bluff]

Hop on underframe

Tap in

[lean tendon]

More like the frame itself is suited for endurance runs. level cap is a different thing since lvl 9999 is a whole different beast. Endurance isn't the same as Endurance level cap.

For example, his Revenant guide is general SP/Endurance but that's because of the nature of the frame itself, literally unkillable.

The Khora guide, on the other hand, is endurance based on "looting". But that doesn't mean Khora can't level cap, it's just that the build itself is suited for endurance looting but not endurance level cap.

[craggy niche]

Perfect is still to some degree subjective. There is still a small amount of wiggle room to build expression in this gsme

[craggy niche]

https://tenor.com/view/christopher-walken-too-long-didnt-read-tldr-gif-9222668

Jk. Its okay man i get that you think you know better than ninjase. Maybe you should get into build guides

[lean tendon]

When did I say I know better than ninjase?

I am literally glazing him

[craggy niche]

https://tenor.com/view/issa-joke-joke-21savage-gif-7957559

[acoustic bluff]

He’ll never know

[hollow plover]

whats a good build fpr my boy to speedrun starchart and sp

well speedrun life itself, only perk i want is high speed as i am using my melee without fury

[acoustic bluff]

Titania prime

[lean tendon]

If you want speed then ditch Volt and use Titania

[acoustic bluff]

If you want a good frame then ditch volt and use Titania

[hollow plover]

no i love my boy volt he da goat

[acoustic bluff]

♥️

[acoustic bluff]

Mr 16 forever type shi

[lean tendon]

Volt and Gauss be racing while Titania is already on the finish line

[hollow plover]

WHY ARE TALKING DOWN WALLY WEST THE FASTEST MAN ALIVE

[lean tendon]

Fastest

[craggy niche]

Captaince volt

[lean tendon]

Anyways, for Volt you want Shock Trooper for sure.

[acoustic bluff]

Put on a PV shard and volt is basically beat at base

[lean tendon]

For defense you have a lot of options but I prefer Arcane Circumvent

[hollow plover]

funny thing is I am mr 13 and started 3 weeks ago lol, so im literally below the mark you set

[wide verge]

Is it worth investing in xaku prime?

[acoustic bluff]

MR 13 forever type shi

[hollow plover]

box breaker prime

[acoustic bluff]

Worth investing in anyone you wanna play

[wide verge]

Isnt he good for most of the time

[wide verge]

I wanna play da best

[hollow plover]

yes hesheit whatever is good at breaking boxes

[lean tendon]

Strong frame and pretty cheap to build. Additionally one of the best box destroyers for looting as well.

[wide verge]

I saw some videos where he was s+

[hollow plover]

infact the best at breaking boxes /s (hes pretty good but i heard he got nerfed)

[wide verge]

Yeah I tried it. Its op

[acoustic bluff]

pillage
Corrosive projection
High strength
use steadfast and diriga

High range
High strength
45% efficiency
some duration not really needed though

[lean tendon]

Well the damage attenuation changes kinda nerfed him but nonetheless he can comfortably level cap

[acoustic bluff]

Pillage on the 3 btw, if I remember

You can 1-2 cast pillage. 2 cast is comfier but 1 cast will armor strip everything

[lean tendon]

Go invest in Saryn + Kuva Sobek 60% progenitor element + Acid Shells

[acoustic bluff]

Nahhh

[lean tendon]

Can be Oraxia or Cyte as well

[acoustic bluff]

Ogris Akarius/ocuccor for saryn

[lean tendon]

If you just want to play meta

[acoustic bluff]

Sobek for cyte, trust

[wide verge]

Saryn isnt the best?

I got told that protea is the best if build correct but I dont like her playstyle

[craggy niche]

Shit even with just his exalted and some pretty basic mods cyte is based

[lean tendon]

She killed all the best

[acoustic bluff]

Someone fkn lied to you

[lean tendon]

With Kuva Sobek + Acid Shells

[wide verge]

No no. Very experienced guy who owns all the warframes

Know him IRL

[acoustic bluff]

You can own everything and still be utterly shit at the game, I’m sorry

And be wrong

💔

[wide verge]

So how you say when ur good?

[acoustic bluff]

You don’t say it, just don’t spread misinfo

[lean tendon]

Protea isn't "best" but she is pretty much unkillable with her 4th and she deals great amounts of damage with her turrets

[hollow plover]

everthing is good is in the good hands with information

[wide verge]

I mean protea is been in S tiers in lot of tierlists

[acoustic bluff]

Obv people are entitled to their opinion, protea is really good but far from the best

[lean tendon]

Tier lists are purely subjective

[wide verge]

I can tell like 4 people or 5 who putted her in S tier.

[lean tendon]

But seriously if you want to play the best, just go for acid shells abuse or Hildryn enervate bug abuse

[acoustic bluff]

When you start talking about the best it looks more like

Saryn/cyte/mirage/hildryn/titania/jade/wisp/volt

Generally speaking they are the best in their own respective field

Obviously you could go more and more niche

[tidal parrot]

no dante 💀

[acoustic bluff]

I mean I guess but not really

[tidal parrot]

i mean hes arguably one of the best support frames in the game but go off ig

[wide verge]

Sevagoth nuking?

[acoustic bluff]

Jade/wisp is up there because of their buffing and generally speaking have very broken utility

[acoustic bluff]

Lowk forgot about him but yeah he’s up there, however that’s all he has

[lean tendon]

Dante is cool and all but if you can solo level cap without issues then you don't need Dante in your party anyways

[wide verge]

He oneshots so thats pretty much what u need

[lean tendon]

But having Dante in your party enables you to sleep

[tidal parrot]

ok but you could say that about any support frame being unnescisary if you can already do solo levelcap

[wide verge]

Octavia for afk

[lean tendon]

Yes that's why supports aren't really popular outside of optimized setups like Arbi meta

[acoustic bluff]

All of the ones I mentioned has some sort of utility outside of just “nuke everything and be fast” wisp can be a hyper buffer, volt can use shields/shocktrooper
Saryn is just the best weapons platform
Cyte has the strongest and fastest clearing in the game etc

[lean tendon]

Wisp is probably the most popular support but Wisp has so many build variants honestly

[tidal parrot]

i mean dante directly can buff damage with noctuas on ppl as well as do good damage with his 3-3-4

[lean tendon]

Wisp does it better imo

[tidal parrot]

if u subsume roar on

otherwise its just the ocasional breach surge

[hollow plover]

cyte with the crit room clear

[craggy niche]

Jade has good kpm decent crowd clear and built in strip. Id put her up above wisp personally

[acoustic bluff]

No one is saying Dante is bad but when it comes to the best it’s usually those that are used because they have far superior utility + dps.

[wide verge]

Sevagoth does % dmg. If u got 255 dmg with roar then its one shot

[acoustic bluff]

List isn’t in any specific order

If you’re talking about what I posted

[hollow plover]

i guess my build is 217 without roar

[craggy niche]

Oh I know i thats just my take on the matter lol

[wide verge]

In that case it doesnt one shot unless theres more enemies

[lean tendon]

This still works assuming enemies are near each other so the blast effect will still kill

[hollow plover]

i have roar as subsume over 4

[craggy niche]

I like jade alot better than wisp and ive formad wisp 12 times 😵‍💫

[hollow plover]

i just dont enjoy sevabraindeadnuke prime, but hes good when you just wanna chill

[wide verge]

If u either get madurai or shards then u can oneshot

[lean tendon]

But 255 strength roar on 3, 217 strength with precision intensify roar on 4

To hit the break points

[wide verge]

Its pretty fun imo. But the problem is I got sirocco as my amp and at the lvl cap I dont really do much dmg.

[tidal parrot]

just do 600% ability strength roar on wisp

[craggy niche]

🤣

[lean tendon]

Dante is better for pubs to carry with your overguard but otherwise I would rather have Wisp since I don't have survivability issues

[acoustic bluff]

Me when I see someone struggling on wisp and they subsume the 2

[craggy niche]

I do ophie eyes with her usually lol. Actually works really well when you have wisp level power thresholds

[acoustic bluff]

💔 heart break moment

[wide verge]

I subsumed the 4

[acoustic bluff]

That’s what you should do

[craggy niche]

4 is most op trust

[tidal parrot]

breach surge with the cat gate augment is actually prty good at killing crowds of enemies

[craggy niche]

Gib all your energy for something with the strength of a unformad amprex to shoot for 15 seconds

[thorn oak]

i wish acid shells wasnt broken depending on if ur host or not

i wanna play zephyr so bad but i am usually playing with ppl