builds-discussion

[novel bear]

Probably

Corrosive heat is good for secondaries

[solemn kiln]

i got viral heat on verglas

[novel bear]

Heat on companion primers is bad typically

Messes up heat builds

[solemn kiln]

im using it for extra stacks of archon vitality

[novel bear]

That’s not how archon vitality works?

[solemn kiln]

i got one of the bosses that likes to invuln state for long times up to 1k stacks of fire it kinda just deleted after his invuln was up xD

[novel bear]

You can do that with a weapon
And it’ll probably be better than using a companion

[cursive peak]

Okay, valence is electric, and don't have primed mods yet for it. Working on getting mods and maxxing valence, and arcanes I guess

[novel bear]

Go viral elec then

[cursive peak]

Can swap gas off, was just trying it

[fierce lark]

archon vitality only works on abilities that apply heat stacks

[solemn kiln]

is noctua consdiered an ability?

[novel bear]

Yes

[fierce lark]

yes, but verglas/assault mode is not

[cursive peak]

Viral needs stacks though? Plasmor is a one tap blap

[fierce lark]

i may have misunderstood something

[cursive peak]

Also, I have primer viral

[solemn kiln]

so should i change verglas heat to elec then?

[zenith mauve]

guandao or orthos prime?

[fierce lark]

do you have any of the primed mods?

[novel bear]

Corrosive then
With optional heat or cold

[cursive peak]

Not for shotgun other than pb

[fierce lark]

assuming you want verglas to do the thing people usually do with verglas (kill stuff), viral heat is fine, with both fired up and duplex bond on the companion

[novel bear]

Corrosive is good for raw damage, especially when you get the primed electric mod

[cursive peak]

I have full strip on frame

[novel bear]

Raw damage

[solemn kiln]

thats what ive been doing

[novel bear]

What are you using noctua for then?

[fierce lark]

you can leave that alone then, your companion isn't really interacting with your build atp it's just doing its damage

[solemn kiln]

it does alot of damage x.x

[fierce lark]

corrosive is just there for high raw dmg vs grineer and scaldra, you can switch it to viral for + dmg vs corrupted or run pure 90+60 elec mods for generic damage + chance of elec procs

[cursive peak]

Ahh, so no savvy?

[drowsy herald]

should i replace focus electricity with gladiator might?

[novel bear]

Run savvy, it’s multiplicative with base damage

[fierce lark]

there's a build specifically for Mag that uses pure elec with grouping but idk how well pure elec does on its own

if you have consistent viral priming and are stripping everything anyway it's probably fine

still savvy, because you said you have external viral (and presumably not just viral)

even if you literally only have viral status on something it's a final multiplicative 80%, better than anything else you could slot

nowadays if i know im running something with multiplicative galvco i always run a tazicor sentinel

[cursive peak]

external viral, heat, mag. Plasmor has rad, elec (and gas, but can swap to something else). And using nyx to full strip

[winged nebula]

Guys need a powerful hate build

[fierce lark]

replace it with a bigger ele mod

[spiral chasm]

u want pure tox on element for slam

so u can 1 shot through shields

[cursive peak]

Verglas question, punchthrough?

[fierce lark]

uhhhh depends on where it's coming from?

[cursive peak]

Primed Shred

[fierce lark]

yes

[cursive peak]

Yay, I'm learning

[eternal prism]

you can do it without it🐟 just do bonk
but yes tox better

[spiral chasm]

pretty sure they shield gate ur dmg

u gotta use xatas if no toxin

[eternal prism]

magistar have too much

[fierce lark]

have too much what

[spiral chasm]

yeah but shield gate can take 1bln dmg and still nullify hp dmg

[eternal prism]

Honestly, sp corpus is unlikely to withstand it... but I would test it on an apollo

[eternal prism]

damage ofc

[eternal prism]

i test...
I'm just curious

[spiral chasm]

u can just dont use frame abilties that give 2nd instance of dmg

[winged nebula]

I have this hate riv is there any viable build for disruption lvl cap with it

[spiral chasm]

i mean if u go cap u could go for the max combo heavy spam build

does require u to stack crescendo

[drowsy herald]

does the heavyattack efficieny matter?

[spiral chasm]

for QoL yes

for dmg no

[cursive peak]

So, crit on plasmor, deccel? That's only 66%

[spiral chasm]

its less downtime when spamming heavy slam

[craggy niche]

I wish primed shred wasn't locked behind 400 day

[cursive peak]

200

[fierce lark]

that's fine, it's a lot higher than 22, crit good

[drowsy herald]

does status damage work for sancti magistar atall

[eternal prism]

okay, youre right. I thought arcana mixed with toxin and it only resulted in corrosive damage without the benefits of toxin

[fierce lark]

not really, magistar is just a slam bonk heads weapon, both versions

[eternal prism]

but defolt magistar better🐟

[drowsy herald]

i got sancti because i like lifesteal

[eternal prism]

also fine

[fierce lark]

sancti will heal, potentially relevant with persistence

base will hit bigger numbers

both will kill everything they hit so it's not really overly important

[drowsy herald]

Yeah iam persisting

[lean tendon]

Some people do non slam builds on Sancti Magistar due to the unique effect

[eternal prism]

Some people like numbers more

[lean tendon]

But it's mostly slam builds

[drowsy herald]

Do light attacks heal?

[lean tendon]

You need to heavy iirc

Heavy and then light spam should work

[drowsy herald]

Will it work against the vanguard

[eternal prism]

blast boar looks fun...

[cursive peak]

Better?

[novel bear]

Would work best in a heavy spam build

[eternal prism]

it work also in light with gas elec build... secret gas

[novel bear]

Gas elec hate isn’t great though, and the riven isn’t enough to compensate

[eternal prism]

Overall, it can be used for both build options. But hate stances have a forced slash status, and the toxin isn't exactly wow

fine but not wow

In any case, it will rather kill everything than not

[near vortex]

Sancti and base Magistar are pretty close together in terms of power

Mostly because they both will one shot anything up to level cap on a dedicated slam build

[eternal prism]

I like bigger numbers

🥺

[winged nebula]

I see so do u have a build by any chance

[fierce lark]

cannonade bad

plasmor really wants fire rate

[eternal prism]

In a vacuum it will give attack speed, won't it?

mod decrese -20fire rate

cannonade back it

if don't take into account that he has other sources of fire rate

[novel bear]

Use it with galv steel, primed fever strike, amalgam organ shatter, melee elementalist, primed reach, galv reflex, killing blow, and a smite mod, with exposure or afflictions for the arcane

Killing blow and smite are your flex slots, you can add electric, gladiator might, corrupt charge, or focus radon

[eternal prism]

secret cresсendo 🐟
To be honest, I would refrain from using heavy builds for anything other than solo targets

it takes so long for clear😭

[fierce lark]

you run an actual fire rate mod on plasmor if no external

[cursive peak]

I guess I don't understand the plasmor then? Wouldn't reload be better than fire rate if the point is to one shot an entire hallway anyway?

[astral tinsel]

past a point you won't

[eternal prism]

Well, I just relied on his build

[fierce lark]

the point is you get enough base damage from deadhead/merciless and (if you have it) primed point blank, you will oneshot standard trooper type enemies once your stuff is stacked regardless

fire rate/savvy/etc etc will let you kill big things faster

heavy units, eximus, heavy eximus, thrax, acolytes and whatnot

i cant speak on how you feel about it, but to me cannonade plasmor feels absolutely miserable to use

[mighty flare]

you slot both

[cursive peak]

Okay, so put ppb back in? Guessing sc and cc are just for looks? Cuz 66%-2x is kinda meh...

[fierce lark]

shotgun riven moment

[cursive peak]

And I'm using nyx anyway, full rad = nonstop crit. So shouldn't I be stacking cd?

[fierce lark]

assuming the crit chance from Thrive in Chaos is additive to mods and not absolute, if you were to remove your crit chance mod and add that you'd be making the same argument

"it's only 66%"

[cursive peak]

300% / 200%

[fierce lark]

and only when you have 5+ enemies around you radiated or mind controlled

[mighty flare]

this is ur general rivenless plasmor build, with tox/magnetic valence depending on ur riven roll

nyx passive would help not replace

[cursive peak]

I can try it, need a tox plasmor to eat though

[fierce lark]

elemental vice from 1999 works

[cursive peak]

Can do that, will work on it, ty for tips

[pulsar ravine]

evade on yareli

and dual tox

[solemn kiln]

would it be worth it to add cannonade?

[fierce lark]

this is just plasmor with tentacles, treat it more or less the same

[mighty flare]

no

[fierce lark]

it shoots a little faster but still, yikes

the mag is way bigger and i think it reloads faster

[pulsar ravine]

chat am i cooking?

[fierce lark]

"evade on x" = you're immortal if you can aim, gg

[solemn kiln]

well if cannonade is bad what should i put in for the last mod

[mighty flare]

would you be surprised its the exact same build as plasmor

[solemn kiln]

i havent built a plasmor for sp havent touched it in awhile actually

isnt 18% low for crit tho? i figured you would go status

[fierce lark]

it's high enough

critting is op as hell

[mighty flare]

unless you like using banes then crit is better

[karmic badger]

With crit deceleration you're at 54% crit, per projectile, galv hell should put you at 3 projectiles per trigger pull

You effectively have an 87% chance to land 1 crit

No wait... The tenet plasmor is 22% base crit?

[fierce lark]

yes

[cursive peak]

So, tried this build vs my old one. Same mission, same enemies.

All this build did was eat through 3x as much ammo to do what I was doing in the first place forcing more frequent reloads

[karmic badger]

Oh wait the bassocyst is 18%

[cursive peak]

I don't get it

I went from 40-60k a shot, to 3-8k a shot

[fierce lark]

im guessing you don’t have primed charged shell

[karmic badger]

Also are the enemies being primed?

[cursive peak]

I don't, no, but the principle stands

[eternal prism]

https://warframe-damage.com/
u can try both here atleast or another dps calculator
you'll see the difference right away

it will be more clear almost immediately

[pulsar ravine]

I was more thinking about how crepuscular interacts

[fierce lark]

show the build you have vs the one he posted, because one without primed mods is going to play very differently

[pulsar ravine]

Yareli gets a lot of cc from passive

[cursive peak]

dps =/= alpha strike. Plasmor doesn't need dps if it can clear a whole line in two shots

[pulsar ravine]

And crepuscular is just free synergy

[karmic badger]

Funnily enough Crepuscular is really for low crit damage weapons, like shotguns

[eternal prism]

use yareli like slam🐟

[pulsar ravine]

Dual tox

[fierce lark]

that’s the thing, plasmor can build a bunch of attack speed and qol and still clear a line in one shot, usually

[solemn kiln]

whats a good enemy to use for the calculator?

[fierce lark]

but you’re missing a bunch of primed mods and several ranks of the arcane, the arcane in particular being extremely important for this

[karmic badger]

The crit damage benefit becomes less appealing the higher your crit rate goes tbh, since its fixed and not boosted by crit tier iirc

[eternal prism]

higher DPS = probably higher one shot damage. Isn't that what's needed for plasmor?

[eternal prism]

in any case, the difference will be visible there

[pulsar ravine]

I just build for raw damage as yareli now has both cc and cd taken care of

[eternal prism]

grineer heavy gunner for example

of demolisher heavy gunner or thrax

as u want

[fierce lark]

i meant the one you were using that was supposedly only doing 3-8k damage

[eternal prism]

I'm testing it with these enemie

[cursive peak]

Same build, no primed's except pb

[solemn kiln]

is 600k dps against lvl 200 enemies good?

[karmic badger]

Mfw the riven is just a weaker hammer shot,

-# why is hammershot a rifle only mod

[eternal prism]

depends on the weapon

[solemn kiln]

the coda bassocyst

[eternal prism]

Not an expert on shotgun builds

You can try copying the build that was sent above

maybe something will change for the better

[solemn kiln]

huh mine is higher by 100k

[fierce lark]

swap magnetic for contagious spread, and tactical pump for primed point blank

his build has corrosive from progenitor, yours doesn’t

and you need something for more base dmg until you can max your arcane

also if you’re using deadhead make sure you’re actually aiming at heads

[opaque wave]

anyone have a build for khora's whipclaw?

[pulsar ravine]

What other secondaries do i use on her

[solemn kiln]

i cant be bothered to aim for the head if im not using a sniper or bow xD

[compact cypress]

any tips for my arca plasmor? havent touched it in a while

[eternal prism]

In general, it depends on external factors. So they need to be taken into account too. I advise you to take this into account with yours.

And it's always worth looking at the average dps. There's a button there for calculating it.

[mighty flare]

you said you dont have the valence for it yet , and you don't have the maxed mods/arcanes on it

[eternal prism]

There are too many conditions, so make them for yourself

[cursive peak]

Valence would change elec to corr on full stripped enemies at 0-1 procs. I the primed I'm missing is more cd on crits and even more ammo loss. Again, I don't get it

[eternal prism]

They're discussing it right here, you can read about it.

[eternal prism]

Can I clarify what valency you use?

[drowsy herald]

Coda bassocyst is like arca plasmor on steroids

[solemn kiln]

but less crit

[eternal prism]

but more statuses

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1147966476079345674.gif?size=48&name=fishierotate&quality=lossless

[mighty flare]

toxin cuz no riven

[eternal prism]

Looking at your build, your dps should literally be 2 times less with ur build

It seems to me that you clearly don't understand something

also im use your riven for sure

so...

[cursive peak]

Each individual hit with my build is landing 60-80k, not factoring ms. Each one on yours, is 3-9k (accounting for lack of primed's, but that's true in both cases)

[green gyro]

your riven is just worse than ravage

[cursive peak]

The point of the riven is sc, not cd

[eternal prism]

average dps based on the ammo spent will be the one you were offered

[green gyro]

it's not really doing much tho lol

look at the % values

[cursive peak]

99.2% sc

[green gyro]

no. the % on the riven

+50 sc is basically worthless compared to the cd gain from primed ravage (far better investment than a trash plasmor riven)

[eternal prism]

In any case, you were offered a more powerful build, and that's without even taking headshots into account

[cursive peak]

And I'm trying to understand why my numbers aren't reflecting that

[green gyro]

you're also using cannonade which kinda bricks the weapon unless you're playing mag

[eternal prism]

atleast u have 2 electro mods in build

2nd build has magnet = +80% base damage if im not mistake for shotguns

ah 120 even

At least for this reason, your damage will be less on average

[cursive peak]

I'm not sure since my first builds deletes everything in 1-2 hits, where this one takes 5-8 hits

[green gyro]

I don't think that can be correct

if it's actually the same build as what was linked

[eternal prism]

It doesn't seem very realistic given that the average damage per hit for 2nd build fluctuates between 80k

[cursive peak]

My build is hitting for 60-80k before ms. That build is hitting for 3-9k varying with crits, before ms

[eternal prism]

your average 66k~

2nd build after stack statuses have 200k per hit~

your 130~

[green gyro]

can you show pics of your setup rn

because 3k is just not possible if you copied it correctly

[eternal prism]

provided that the second one has attack speed, this makes a huge difference

[versed turtle]

Max Onko /Max Little Duck. Can I get meta AMP and Arcane Info please? ❤️

[cursive peak]

His build (with my available mods) vs my build

[eternal prism]

but he not use point blank😨

[cursive peak]

Don't have pump

[dreamy radish]

is this a generally good build im pretty early hours wise

[eternal prism]

Are you sure you're using toxin as a weapon status?

electro + toxin(from gun)

[cursive peak]

I have elec. Corr dmg is 0-1 procs on full stripped enemies

[eternal prism]

if u newbie use corr status in gun (toxin + electro)

[dreamy radish]

im not bad this is just a new account and i was never good at modding

[fierce lark]

i think ive said this twice now, corrosive is used because it's a strong damage type vs the tankiest faction in the game, it's not used for the armor strip. plasmor doesn't have high status application, and the status is irrelevant because it's supposed to be killing in 1-2 shots regardless

[eternal prism]

So you're testing with a full armor strip, right?

[fierce lark]

and also you need to max your arcane

[nocturne thicket]

With %25 from growing power, %72 from bellicose, and %40 from Madurai, and then I used nokko subsume, then I used link, how much would the percentage of the actual link be? Remember I’m trying to get all the strength BEFORE I place nokko subsume then use link

I would test my self but I don’t have nokko subsume

[cursive peak]

Yup

[eternal prism]

against grineer right?

[cursive peak]

Infested at the moment, but the results are pretty uniform against everything I've tried

[eternal prism]

As was already mentioned above, corrosion is needed for the damage multiplier

[cursive peak]

For savvy?

[fierce lark]

so here's what happens when you test a plasmor in simulacrum

you shoot a heavy gunner a few times with no stacks on anything, wonder why it's not dying and then complain that the build sucks

ive had this happen at least twice now

[cursive peak]

I'm not using simulacrum

[nocturne thicket]

U def should be frrrr

[cursive peak]

I test live

[eternal prism]

grineer have 1.5 multi damage if damage corr

and if it's not them, then in any case the enemy will die

[cursive peak]

Okay... I'm building a weapon, not a specific vs faction weapon?

[fierce lark]

i hate being that guy but if it's struggling that hard to do damage then you should probably clip or something so we can see why it's not doing damage

because this should not be happening

[eternal prism]

It's simply not possible because some faction will definitely have resist

Corrosion is used in builds not because it's highly targeted, but because there's no other choice. It's very rare that a virus is used

[cursive peak]

Never recorded anything before, but I can try

[fierce lark]

like just trying to diagnose what's causing you to not do dmg

[eternal prism]

other factions will simply die faster even if you use corrosion than grineer

[cursive peak]

How so? It lowers armor. They have none

[fierce lark]

if you are stripping everything by 100% all the time, grineer will die the fastest

they have lower hp than other factions, they make up for it with armor

[cursive peak]

So... I'm using electric, which should be bad against grineer. Still deleting them in 1-2 shots

[fierce lark]

electric isn't bad against grineer, corrosive is just better

[cursive peak]

As far as I can tell then, nothing resists electric, maybe murmur, not sure

[fierce lark]

if you took your original build and you replaced the 60 elec mod with a 90 toxin mod, you would change your elec to corrosive and do more damage against grineer

[fierce lark]

murmur is weak to elec

[eternal prism]

In any case, this can be done infrequently, and it's unlikely to cause a significant loss in damage. If the weapon can kill even without an armor strip, then overall, you don't even need to change your build
I don't argue with that but I'm too lazy to change builds for frames with armor strip

i just go corr all time :/

[cursive peak]

I just build guns to gun. If I'm honest, even without strip, the results are similar, just 1 extra shot against eximus

[craggy niche]

Corrosive mag is a nice generalistic combo provided you have external viral

[eternal prism]

I'm more than sure that you will have it

Basically, of course, a weapon will kill without it, but with it it's still much better

[craggy niche]

I just use tazicor

Thing is big stonks

Makes the whole Venus grind worth doing

[eternal prism]

wyrm my belowed

[eternal prism]

remove that thing from above and who are you without it?...

[fierce lark]

im not going to do a companionless example because that isn't realistic

it's already buffless

[eternal prism]

you don't understand jokes...

[craggy niche]

I never realized that blocked status effects wthhj

[eternal prism]

u can throw in trash roll guard

free mod for setups

[craggy niche]

I have a wyrm but I use dethcube for tbe energy economy on frames that rely on energize

[fierce lark]

one of the status effects wyrm blocks is knockdown

i use it on bramma setups

[craggy niche]

Just use Prime Sure Footed, the warframe version

[eternal prism]

If you kill enemies there is no cooldown so it always useful

[craggy niche]

Or as the uncultured call him, gauss

[eternal prism]

i use this build and full relax

[craggy niche]

Jade is my r and r frame

[eternal prism]

I don't know, overall it flies for me and without a primer there's always enough damage

[craggy niche]

Is the eating thing good

🤣

[eternal prism]

yes

lunch

[craggy niche]

I get some pretty freaky kpm with her too lol shes a hella versatile frame. Its not often i get beat on the kill board with her

Also a hack i found to min max jade is run amalgam diffusion on secondary and prime movement speed with okina in incarnon on

I even run amalgam on her glory just for extra zoomies but dont tell anyone that here

[eternal prism]

btw In practice, boar is not independent at all

For some reason I thought it would be stronger

[fierce lark]

no that's why it has an incarnon lol

[eternal prism]

It's still far inferior to latron

after I saw latron's dps I no longer want to use anything that's even slightly weaker
without riven boar, he doesn't look very strong, maybe average
among all Inkarnons

[craggy niche]

Its i-off mode is pretty strong but the og boar is pretty shit

[eternal prism]

I tested both forms. beam is significantly inferior in damage due to lack of headshot capabilities

but if give for it some kind of platform, like nurish, it looks pretty good overall

no brain +w beam

[craggy niche]

Im making boar incarnon tonight cuz i like beams on gyre

Well I like beams in general

But most are bad lol

[eternal prism]

well, it's up to each person. but without riven, I couldnt get more than 800k average dps
In any case, my latron or my new miter do it better

[craggy niche]

I also need a decent high status beam for xaku so I can spread void for a untime rift augment I want to try and exploit

[eternal prism]

but how many targets it can hit looks interesting

In any case, it needs a good riven

[craggy niche]

Thats why it should be decent for a void primer or a lightning bolt spammer

[eternal prism]

well, the choice is yours... I'll probably put it off until I have a good riven.

[craggy niche]

I use alot of stuff that's not overpowered lol. Using op stuff is boring to me

[fierce lark]

there are a lot of good beams

tenet glaxion, torid, boar, kuva nukor, tenet cycron, coda catabolyst, coda synapse, quanta vandal

[craggy niche]

Amprex and that tenet one, and uhhh boar i-on mode

[craggy niche]

Most of these aren't traditional beams

[fierce lark]

tenet quanta soon (hopefully)

[craggy niche]

Beams that chain is what im after

[fierce lark]

cycron, nukor, torid and i think glaxion are all chain beams

idk about boar

[craggy niche]

Boar is too

Amprex

[eternal prism]

miter looks fun with status platform frame

[novel bear]

Furis

[cursive peak]

I found what was happening.

So, my build, is hitting around 60-80k base, with all procs up, around 3mil

The other build is hitting around 17k base (it fluctuates) but once you build up the procs, it gets to around 8mil.

The problem I was running into was actually enemy droughts. Either way, it was killing either too slow to build procs (build two, have to build procs, then runs into same problem as the other) or too fast (build one clears the hallway, no enemies for too long, can't use procs) to keep up procs because of enemy droughts.

So, yes, build one deals more damage with all procs up on both. I may just keep both builds, one for star chart where stuff dies faster anyway, and the recommended for sp, because once it gets going, it's a runaway freight train

[novel bear]

Furis is incredibly strong

[eternal prism]

i need riven for that

[craggy niche]

Furious is a beam?

Furis*

[solemn kiln]

amprex needs a incarnon

[craggy niche]

Yeah it does

[fierce lark]

oh yeah furis is technically a beam

[novel bear]

Furis incarnon is

[craggy niche]

Ohhh okay

[fierce lark]

it's a flamethrower but that qualifies as beams

[novel bear]

Conical short range beam

[fierce lark]

there's almost 0 situation in any mission where you will have enough of an enemy draught for deadhead and galvanized stacks to fall off

that's why we're using deadhead and not merciless

i would much prefer the reload speed of merciless over deadhead, but merciless is dropping stacks all the time

[cursive peak]

I was running into it because I was doing exterminates instead of survival

[fierce lark]

and getting it stacked is harder too when you need 12 kills instead of 3

[fringe quarry]

BUILD SARYN META ARBITRAGEM

[fierce lark]

even in those weird exterminate layouts where you have enemy spawns be several hundred meters apart, 20 seconds is more than enough time to get to the next pack

and even if your stacks fall off, it's only ever 1 stack at a time

[quiet laurel]

pretty sure you asked this before but maybe you forgot

[cursive peak]

Yeah, the recommended build was doing well until the enemy marker bugged and sent me on a goose chase

[fierce lark]

you said you were running a companion with verglas right

[cursive peak]

Yeah

[fringe quarry]

ty bro

[craggy niche]

What is the best chain beam that can be handheld outside of open world

[eternal prism]

How about a secret torid?

hidden meta and no one ever talks about it 100%

[cursive peak]

Mk1-kunai secretly best weapon ever, fr

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162254708858167407/1368265067942121694/41154030c1f7dc46.gif

[fierce lark]

if you ever get rank 5 fortuna, you can pick up tazicor and auto-apply 4 statuses to anything in front of you for savvy + viral

[eternal prism]

i hate my luck

[craggy niche]

And around, behind above below

Taz is Bae

[fierce lark]

anything within a 30m sphere of you

[cursive peak]

I have one sitting in my list. I should look at it again

[eternal prism]

i want cd for 1 stat ;(

[cursive peak]

I leveled it, forgot about it

[summer crest]

guys, okina or preados for not using and only benefiting from the speed?

[eternal prism]

praedos

[fierce lark]

verglas is a dps weapon for when you want your companion to help you kill things

tazicor is a minigun chaining taser that will 10x the damage of multi-CO weapons

[eternal prism]

how much tazicor have cc?

[craggy niche]

Okina for frames like hildryn and jade that only benefit for clear movement speed boost, preaedos from everything else

[fierce lark]

5%

[summer crest]

makes ssnse

[eternal prism]

:/

[summer crest]

thanks

[eternal prism]

It's sad actually

[fierce lark]

can't use tenacious with tazicor

can't use it with verglas either without a riven

[summer crest]

verglas prime can I think?

[craggy niche]

Keep in mind for both you have go be in i-on for the buff to apply

[craggy niche]

Its a primer and a outstanding one at that

[summer crest]

oh? I thought you just had to have then equiped...

[fierce lark]

not without a riven, only gets to 42%

[summer crest]

sadage

[craggy niche]

Not 100 on praedos but with okina it has to be on

[eternal prism]

I don't need it, but it would be nice to have. I only need 50% cc from the companion weapon with the mod.

[eternal prism]

praedos no

it give u parkour and speed without form

[fierce lark]

okina has two different buffs, one applies to incarnon and one is up permanently

[craggy niche]

Either way i would always run okina on jade and hildy cuz man that movement speed boost is huge

[fierce lark]

praedos parkour velocity is always permanent

[novel bear]

Pretty sure hildryn benefits more from parkour speed
And wants furax anyways

[eternal prism]

yaaay furax

[novel bear]

Okina for gauss

[cursive peak]

is tenacious worth building for? I use it on nova with the prime laser rifle, but that and vuklok are the only ones that seem to work for it, and neither is great on its own

[eternal prism]

gauss for trash

[craggy niche]

Nope parkour would only affect her dodge im pretty sure

[novel bear]

Which is your main movement in her 4

[fierce lark]

not really on its own, you use tenacious if the companion that fits the job you want will allow it

[novel bear]

You subsume off his 1, don’t you?

[eternal prism]

2nd skill, but I don't use Gauss, its terribly boring

[cursive peak]

Kinda what I thought. It's funny for niche builds, but usually not worth the trade-off

[eternal prism]

1st skill still speeds up clear

atleast

[novel bear]

A lot of sentinel weapons need rivens for tenacious

[eternal prism]

secret crit verglas

[novel bear]

Claws are usually fine with bite or hunter synergy

[craggy niche]

Also jade would benefit more from furax body count and I still wouldnt run it on her

[fierce lark]

like, if you're using a beast of any kind that can hit 50% crit on claw, you slot tenacious

if you're using a sentinel that wants to use a 50%+ crit weapon anyway (like diriga, or anything with verglas if you have a crit riven) then you slot tenacious

it's just a clean +120% final crit damage if your companion build allows for it

[cursive peak]

I don't have those rivens (yet) so I stick to priming with pets

[novel bear]

Hounds can’t hit 50% crit even with rivens

Their biggest flaw

[cursive peak]

I mean... hounds can afk solo sp though... so, trade-offs

[unique brook]

super old build, wantin to ready for steel path and start my nuke build. any tips?

[craggy niche]

Get galvanized mods and get concentrated arrow if you want ivara to nuke

Also a rather specific mod for weapons helps i dont remember the name off hand

It turns impact procs into slash procs, concentrated arrows explosion is guaranteed impact status

Popular on the fulmin

Uhhhh, idk I cant think of it rn

[unique brook]

ooh okay

[undone dust]

hemorrhage

wait

[fierce lark]

internal bleeding

[undone dust]

thats secondaries
it's internal bleeding for primaries i think

[undone dust]

im going to KILL you for speaking in my presence

[unique brook]

is artemis bow considered a primary?

[fierce lark]

yes

[undone dust]

yeah

[unique brook]

figured

[craggy niche]

With 235 range and primed firestorm i got the explosion to have a 25m radius lmao

[undone dust]

be a lazy shit with well of life and just camp a hallway

[craggy niche]

On a dash wire to add insult to injury

[unique brook]

LOLL

[undone dust]

empowered quiver peak

[unique brook]

i just love ivara tbh she was my first prime

and i want to bring her with me into steel path as my primary nuke build

[craggy niche]

Well concentrated or external nukes is all you'll get from her

But she is fun imo. Alot dont like her tho

[undone dust]

alternatively just running blast on artemis and xatas on ivara without concentrated is also funny but concentrated is funnier

[unique brook]

so what mods would yall recommend swapping out>

[undone dust]

only bummer about concentrated is that acuity doesnt scale the aoe damage

[craggy niche]

Its also los nuke

I haven't quite hammered mine out yet, I tried ninjases and it was too much energy to shoot the damn thing at 45 eff so im trying to balance it out a little

Frames that want all the stats like jade and ivara are hard

[undone dust]

well ninjase's is a camping build with pool of life to supply energy

[craggy niche]

Fair

[undone dust]

ive used it without too many energy issues, it's just a boring build because i hate lazy playstyles

[craggy niche]

Sleep arrow works fine for holding them but half the time when I do sleep arrow a teammate comes by and nukes them anf ruins my fun lmao

Certifiable skill issue

[undone dust]

ivara also just isnt that fun in group play honestly

it's the same gripe i have with nidus
love the frame, hate playing with people if im using him

[craggy niche]

I have no problem with cyte but I spose thsts the wall hacks giving me a edge

[undone dust]

cyte is made to inconvenience your teammate's nuking LMAO

peak frame

[craggy niche]

I always top with cyte just using his 4 and 1 lol its hilarious

[undone dust]

if cyte sobek wasnt so goated id use neutralizer

[craggy niche]

One game I did was 12 rounds in to c survival and I had a 96 percent damage quotient

🤣

And topped on kills to boot

[acoustic bluff]

Damage in stats screen is pointless to look at

[novel bear]

Ivara needs a rework
Half of quiver is useless, navigate is janky, prowl has harsh restrictions that no other invisible frame has to deal with, and artemis bow just isn’t that good compared to any other exalted

[eternal prism]

Well, some people like her...

[undone dust]

i wish theyd fix the crepuscular spectral serration bug too

but thats with any invis frame anyway

[novel bear]

She’s designed around a stealth game, and warframe stealth mechanics suck

I really want to like ivara

[eternal prism]

Well, she has secret mechanics that can't be talked about...

as well as many others

https://tenor.com/view/tole-cat-cute-gif-12080171459357821404

[craggy niche]

She has the easiest invisible to upkeep and longest potential for it.

It should have a tradeoff lol

[novel bear]

Wisp can jump

Loki can easily recast

Octavia

[eternal prism]

In fact, it's a terrible mechanic for her invisibility. But then again, there's a secret way to mitigate it

[craggy niche]

None of them can theoretically stay invisible forever

[eternal prism]

It would be better if it worked like ash, for example

[novel bear]

Octavia absolutely can

[fierce lark]

loki can easily stay invis forever

[craggy niche]

Ah yes teabagging in one spot

Peak gameplay

[fierce lark]

oraxia can too, provided there are walls in your map

[craggy niche]

Shes not invis between wall latches

[eternal prism]

In any case, I doubt you need infinite invisibility

[novel bear]

Oraxia has more annoying upkeep at least

Octavia is already building for max duration

[eternal prism]

u can proc invis even without her ult infinity time

[fierce lark]

she is

she isn't "invisible while latching", the action of latching gives her an 8s buff which makes her invisible

[eternal prism]

It's certainly not convenient, but she can

[fierce lark]

and is refreshable

[craggy niche]

That is

Not even convenient at all lol

[eternal prism]

Well, in any case, she doesn't need it

[novel bear]

Loki and octavia are though

[eternal prism]

secret vazarin technics

[fierce lark]

it's a little annoying but it is the case that she can tap a wall every 8s to stay indefinitely invis

[craggy niche]

Loki is dur based and energy demanding

[fierce lark]

loki's isn't demanding at all and it lasts like 35s

[craggy niche]

Yes

That is not invis forever

That is in 35 second bursts

[fierce lark]

technically true, however there is a delay in which enemies are not allowed to see you after invis wears off where you can recast it

[eternal prism]

In any case, Ivara needs a revamp In terms of updating abilities
So overall she's not bad

[fierce lark]

while he isn't technically invisible "forever", he can do an entire mission as normal and never be seen a single time as long as you're paying attention to invis duration

[craggy niche]

That wasn't the point at all lol

[fierce lark]

the point was ivara supposedly having the easiest invisibility to use and maintain

[craggy niche]

It is

[fierce lark]

it's not, lokis is infinitely easier

[craggy niche]

Nuh uh

[novel bear]

She doesn’t have the worst invisibility, but it’s far from the best

[fierce lark]

loki is allowed to shoot, jump, move at the same speed and do whatever he wants while invis

[craggy niche]

More button presses, more energy consumption

[fierce lark]

ivara is not

[eternal prism]

It seems to me that when you have two different points of view about frames, it is worth sticking to them; it is unlikely that anything will change in this dispute.

Just stick to your opinions and everyone will be happy

[novel bear]

50% move speed, no sliding, no bullet jumps, no unsilenced weapons, no hard landings, melee costs more energy

[eternal prism]

This is not quite the topic worth arguing about

[fierce lark]

all im gonna say is

there's a reason everyone defaults to loki for spy sorties

and not ivara

[craggy niche]

Melee does not cost energy lol

[eternal prism]

Moa for spy missions

🥺

[novel bear]

Me when I can’t read the wiki

[novel bear]

Thought that was wukong

[fierce lark]

maybe for speedrunning? every time i do a spy sortie there's a least one loki guaranteed and sometimes several lol

[undone dust]

i default to xaku because i love xaku and only xaku

[craggy niche]

See having played both i much prefer ivara to loki for stealth

[fierce lark]

loki is the brain off unfailable sortie frame

[undone dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276816177762533398/1459049230923464704/IMG_2647.gif

[eternal prism]

Brain off good thing
can relax

[eternal prism]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-slap-orange-cat-slap-orange-cat-slap-bum-chonky-cat-orange-chonker-cat-gif-3305480239079074923

[ember condor]

I just use the Parazon mod that makes you invisible on hacking a terminal and now all of my Warframes are stealth frames.

[eternal prism]

Secret parazon build

[ember condor]

I also pair it with the mod that has a chance to auto-complete the hacking.

[eternal prism]

Wouldn't it be easier to press the auto-hack button?

[ember condor]

Sorties and a few other mission types don’t let you use ciphers.

[novel bear]

Auto breach is the best mod in the game

Run time is also nice

[eternal prism]

I usually go for speed executions and parkour. The last one is either an autohack or something else. It's rare that I actually need an autohack

[fathom sky]

Autobreach is nice for the few missions you can't use Ciphers, but any other time I'd prefer a Cipher. Blood for Ammo and Blood for Energy are my favs

[eternal prism]

There was some other mod but I don't remember what it does

[ember condor]

I don’t remember my third mod either.

[novel bear]

I never do mercies anyways

[eternal prism]

Parkour is a cool thing, I push it everywhere I can

[eternal prism]

For oraxia for example...

[novel bear]

She triggers finisher and mercy buffs very inconsistently

And I don’t play oraxia often

[eternal prism]

In any case, one day you will definitely press that finishing button...

[ember condor]

I would build for mercies if enemies didn’t die so quickly that I can’t even process when one can be mercied before they’re dead.

[eternal prism]

Secret build

[fierce lark]

auto-breach has single-handedly saved missions for me a number of times

the real solution is to use perspicacity but im lazy

[tepid scaffold]

Wukong cloudwalker spam + hacking helminth = best spy frame imho

[ember condor]

Same.

[eternal prism]

Moa make difference

🐟

[ember condor]

I cannot be bothered to make a build specifically for stealth so I just never take off the invisibility hack mod.

[tepid scaffold]

She triggers them very very VERY consistently at high levels

[eternal prism]

Just fly close to the window

[novel bear]

Master’s summons is inconsistent on most spy tilesets

[tepid scaffold]

Eximus unit + impact prime = 50% HP threshold for mercy = threshold for the 1 to instantly kill enemies

[novel bear]

Good for lua though

[eternal prism]

I love oraxia. It's a horned spider

[tepid scaffold]

Basically just use a weapon that procs impact and only pay attention to eximus units when you want the parazon buffs (or to stack escapist 👀)

[tepid scaffold]

She's comfy af when you aren't spamming wall latch 24/7 to maintain invis

[eternal prism]

Secret primer for 1st oraxia

[eternal prism]

Then u should use vazarin
I'm too lazy to make her hp tank or abuse sg

[tepid scaffold]

I relied on a companion wep lmao

Just exist near an eximus unit for 1-2s and its primed. Then just "almost" kill it (not hard for extreme endurance stuff) and boom. Instant parazon mod proc and mercy kills

[tepid scaffold]

Vazarin is turbo cope, even more so then grabbing a wall every 7-8s

[tepid scaffold]

Shield gating on oraxia is far from ideal, on that we agree

[eternal prism]

That's why it's so much more convenient. Not as convenient as an hp tank, but still better

[tepid scaffold]

I either

A. Just run a brainless persistence build (17s of face tanking at level cap, nearly 60s if you snapshot fissure buff)

B. Just run escapist and a companion with impact and use mercy kiss on eximus units. Easy indefinite invulnerability.

[ember condor]

Health tanks are easy to build. The hard part comes from whether or not you plan on putting that health tank up against really high levels.

[eternal prism]

It's probably for the best that the abuse of vazarin happens automatically

[eternal prism]

Hp tank= lose stats

I don't like these types of builds and avoid them if I can

[tepid scaffold]

A rough rule of thumb is that persistence is good on frames that can

A. Reach >8300 hp (threshold for grace to heal 1s of DPS per s)

B. Have some form of status immunity to avoid slash/mag procs

So oraxia health tank (with persistence) is actually very VERY comfy for level cap

[eternal prism]

It may be more convenient, but I'm willing to sacrifice convenience and survivability for the sake of convenience in using abilities.

[tepid scaffold]

Haters will tell you to "just wall latch every 8s" tho

[eternal prism]

Haters don't play oraxie at lvlcap

[tepid scaffold]

?

Both escapist and persistence oraxia use abilities lol

[eternal prism]

Because they don't know how to survive on it without this

[tepid scaffold]

Haters do lol

For the enjoyer role... check the server in my tag

[eternal prism]

I mean is that when you use a tank build, you lose stats. And when I lose stats, it becomes uncomfortable for me to use certain abilities.

Either they will have a reduced duration or range

[tepid scaffold]

Not on oraxia actually

[eternal prism]

U waste 2 mod slots and 1 arcana here or 1 slot and 1 arcana

[tepid scaffold]

Has >300% strength and positive duration/range

[eternal prism]

It still eats up stats of something

[ember condor]

Either combat it with Archon Shards or sacrifice stats that won’t be so impactful to lose.

[tepid scaffold]

Being completely immortal with limitless energy to spam and >300% str with positive range/duration is a worthwhile trade off

Or

Ya know

"Escapist" and just use one arcane slot.... your choice...

[eternal prism]

Some people might like it, but I don't. I can cope without this arcana

I use vazarin so im fine

[tepid scaffold]

Some people like slinging every 4-5s for vazarin and swear it isn't cope. Can't save everyone lol

[novel bear]

Bellicose still bad on oraxia?

[eternal prism]

Well, that's enough for me to reach level caps. Besides, I do it on autopilot now

I even manage to write in the chat...

And this is already a huge plus

[eternal prism]

Well, it kind of replaces another arcana that gives you 60% strength

[novel bear]

It doesn’t give strength for her 4 is the issue last I checked

And her 4 is what wants strength the most

[fierce lark]

indeed it doesn't

[eternal prism]

Well then it's useless

[fierce lark]

if you're slingy you can do crepusc arachne

i just do crepuscular augmented

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1147966476079345674.gif?size=48&name=fishierotate&quality=lossless

[queen spruce]

It works! But it snapshots what you have when you press 4, not after. Although, all your other skills get the strength buff while in your4

[novel bear]

Yeah, but she doesn’t have great health outside of her 4

So you don’t get most of the benefit

[craggy niche]

no it scales progressively with health

her 4 is the only thing that doesn't get the benefit

[novel bear]

Yes

Her 4 is what wants the benefit

[craggy niche]

can't you just double cast it ? like motes on wisp

[novel bear]

No

[craggy niche]

oh thats doo doo

[novel bear]

It’s a mode, she has good health when it’s on, bad health when it’s off

[craggy niche]

what's a fun subsume for mag that's not some meta roar slop

i have fracturing crush so no need for pillage

[abstract axle]

who's out her using ecapist?

[abstract axle]

breach surge hits damage cap with bubbles

[craggy niche]

I have breach on this guy looking for something a little different

[abstract axle]

I mean, what do you want it to do? It seems you have the good answers, so what in particular do you want instead?

[fierce lark]

pyrotechnics

[abstract axle]

also fwiw mag is a lousy roar frame

[tepid scaffold]

Meanwhile, I can go pour myself a drink and grab a snack lol

[tepid scaffold]

I did 10 level cap cascade runs with it

Was very comfy

No need to spam wall latch 24/7

See eximus > shoot eximus while companion procs impact > use mercy kiss > proc radial blind + massive parkour boost + strength boost and get a stack of escapist > get energy/health from mercy kiss

36s of invulnerability on standby for just using your ability to generate energy is solid imo

Nowadays I just use persistence though

Much more brainless

[nocturne thicket]

Does archon intensify get triggered by parasitic link in any way?

[abstract axle]

no, why would it?

[nocturne thicket]

I mean technically when I link with 15 stacks, lose health, I gain another stack, I will then heal my self with nidus, also same thing works with who ever is linked

[abstract axle]

ah, you wondering if gaining stacks with parasitic vitality counts as healing. no idea

but also, don't run archon vitality on nidus

[nocturne thicket]

Yes that is what I’m wondering, I would test my self but I’m not home

[craggy niche]

lol i love the laetum

[brisk wing]

What would be a good ability to subsume on Khora?

[novel bear]

Lycath’s hunt

Wrathful advance

[brisk wing]

Hmmm id need to get kullervo then

Thats going to be a pain

Would brightbonnet from nokko work?

[fierce lark]

it would, but khora tends to build neg strength so eh

[brisk wing]

Didnt the whipclaw changes make strength kinda important?

[fierce lark]

nope, they didn't really affect her stat priority

strength sucks because accumulating whipclaw adds up to 350% additive ability strength onto whipclaw, and none of her other abilties care about strength

[brisk wing]

Im just kinda trying to understand how neg strength would help with that

Is it for efficiency?

[fierce lark]

it doesn't "help", but her lack of needing strength allows her to run overextended to very easily hit the 200% range cap for whipclaw's aoe with only 1 mod (and cunning optional), and not have to compensate the strength elsewhere

if you were to add a buff subsume like wrathful or nourish, you'd want to add more strength elsewhere

[brisk wing]

Ah right, i forgot the whipclaws range can be extended, i was thinking about how range doesnt affect the dome at all iirc

[fierce lark]

if you aren't looting you can replace pilfering strangledome with archon stretch, go max range

it still extends whipclaw's range, but the aoe is capped at 10m (though it can be further extended with modded range on whipclaw i think?)

[brisk wing]

Because this is my build (it works well but i would want to replace equilibrium)

[fierce lark]

if i were to copy my build it'd be that but with catashield instead of gladiator might and overextended instead of stretch

[brisk wing]

I have honestly not understood the appeal of cata shields

[fierce lark]

shield gating

it forces 1.33s of shield gate no matter how much shield you have

[brisk wing]

Using Brief respite to keep shield gate up?

[fierce lark]

and since khora's entire playstyle is spamming 1, you're unkillable as long as you have energy (or a toxin eximus rolls up)

which is why lycath's is so strong, it works off of her 1 and doesn't care about ability strength

[brisk wing]

Hmmmmm

Well subsuming voruna will be painful but oh well i guess

[fierce lark]

you'd need to have at least one equilibrium shard to replace the mod, and idk what you'd want to put in its place

maybe augur message and then run enemy radar in the aura lol

[brisk wing]

Wait equilibrium shard? As in an amber shard?

[fierce lark]

violet

[brisk wing]

Ahh

I didnt notice violet ones give equilibrium

[fierce lark]

personally i would keep the mod and run 4-5 crit violets

actuallyyyyy

i think they recently made whipclaw's animation scale with cast speed

[brisk wing]

I mean this is what im running now but i havent decided what to change the blue one for yet

[fierce lark]

so 1-2 of those shards would be good as well

violets are strictly better reds if you have them

[brisk wing]

Ive got 2 regular violets so ill stick with reds for now

[oblique dust]

Melee doughty coda motovore build anyone?

[ember condor]

Regular violet shards are still better if your Warframe has more than 500 energy.

[brisk wing]

Ah yeah it doubles

Id still want the tauforged shards (because im greedy)

[ember condor]

Not all that greedy. It’s pretty easy to quickly reach the point where you exclusively use Tauforged shards.

[brisk wing]

I have not reached that stage yet

[ember condor]

It’ll be a great day when you do.

[brisk wing]

Is it by running netracells/archimedeans?

Cause i havent gotten the confidence for them yet

[ember condor]

Yes, especially Archimedias.

You’ll be swimming in shards in no time if you regularly do them, especially on elite.

[brisk wing]

Ill be getting carried like crazy if i go do them

[ember condor]

Deep Archimedia’s loot pool makes it easy to get away with leaving one thing out without also losing out on the good stuff. Back when it first launched I regularly did 7/8 with Dante.

[fierce lark]

uhhhh "easy" is quite the claim

[brisk wing]

Also how does the circuit work exactly? I havent really gotten into playing that at all yet but since incarnons are pretty important i want to get them

[fierce lark]

it takes a pretty long time to get to that point, and then you need to have the stela to do all the forging

[fierce lark]

select steel path, select circuit, pick which incarnon adapters you want, do circuit until you get enough points to get tier 5 for the first and tier 10 for the second

they rotate in sets of 5 every weekly, there are currently 8 sets

[ember condor]

It really depends on how good you are at buildcrafting.

And how lucky you are with the randomly selected weapons and Warframes.

[versed harbor]

some frames just solo tbh

[fierce lark]

it's not a matter of doing the content, just a matter of getting the right shards, and then also dividing the amount you have by how many frames you actively play

i have several frames i play regularly that are unsharded, don't have enough

could juggle them between frames but cba

[ember condor]

Archimedia deals with that pretty quickly if you regularly do it. Elite Deep Archimedia showers you with shards, averaging out at 3-4 per run unless you’re really unlucky.

[abstract axle]

I think they're saying easy in the sense that the vosfor isn't particularly valuable, so you can turn one curse/item restriction off with little consequence

[fierce lark]

im not saying archimedea is hard to do

im saying the forced timegate makes getting large quantities of archon shards a long process

and at some point blue shards become a dead roll

[abstract axle]

ah, nah, my b, missed a comment in the chain

nah, I need plenty of blues to make an every growing collection of violets

[fierce lark]

20+ blues sitting there

atp they go on random frames to save me from slotting flow

or my singular max hp shard on dagath to enable hema augment

[glad edge]

Hi ! I want to use excalibur as my main frame but i am having problems with survibability can simeone help me with a build

[abstract axle]

yeah, link it

also how far in the game are you

[lavish flint]

which one

[craggy niche]

fun fact

when you use these two together it only halves the original duration lol

[unkempt jay]

Are low disposition Rivens worth keeping?.

[thorn oak]

usually not

[midnight horizon]

I sold one riven with Low disposition so it's best to keep it when someone need it

[tepid scaffold]

Tfw every frame has 5 tau of exactly what they need and I still cannot stop myself from grinding shards...

At this point it's more efficient to grind Stella then it is to do the weeklies for shards

[midnight horizon]

Give mee

[tepid scaffold]

I just want a way to convert shards into other shards lol

[midnight horizon]

FAHHH🥀

[tepid scaffold]

Imagine if blue shards gave +10% range instead of hp/s

Just... imagine....

[midnight horizon]

Nah that'll be broken........

I want that

[tepid scaffold]

Or if the elemental effects (+ elec, crit on heat kill etc) applied to all weps

[midnight horizon]

Meta Weapon platforming fr fr XDDD

[tepid scaffold]

Tau orange give you +75% for all weps for example

Some of the shards are just weak afffff

[quiet laurel]

but that would mean I have to do more things in endo

or rather would need to change build

[pulsar linden]

So, is hitting an average 60k Nataruk shot good? If I get lucky I can see a few hundred k.

[warm obsidian]

Just go for Duration on Nova?

[tepid scaffold]

Duration and range, with positive strength

[warm obsidian]

planning on building around Null star

With both it's augments

[onyx quail]

guys what is protea prime best melee and primary weapon

[summer crest]

okay i probably built It Totaly wrong, but i Took This occucor to holvania and its not killing stuff in 1 Magazine, what i need to to get the tentacles stuff, but again, i could probably building it totally wrong

[charred gale]

best secondary would be a aoe heat primer

if you know what heat inherit is

[left field]

is this goood

[pulsar linden]

This is what I did with mine.

[cursive peak]

How are you getting stacks of blast on a Nataruk?

[pulsar linden]

With him.

I apply corrosive, and they're all tangled up. Then I nuke them.

[cursive peak]

Honestly know nothing about hydroid, never played him

[pulsar linden]

I don't really know why this build combo works so well, it just does.

[cursive peak]

I meant: blast only goes off either on death, at reduced power, or at 10 stacks, at full power. Nataruk is kind of a 1 shot kill weapon. So blast just, idk, seems odd since if you're 1 shotting things, you're only getting 1 proc every other shot or so

[violet silo]

nah it works

just smaller aoe than a high-stack weapon

and requires two status mods

[pulsar linden]

I use his plunder to buff the nata to 260% as well as the rain and tentacles. Then I hit orange crits most of the time and sometimes a red crit with the vigilante mods with a base 5x crit damage. If anything is still alive afterwards the rain or blast tends to get it.

Haven't made it to Steel Path yet.

[violet silo]

however
take that piercing hit off

ew

[pulsar linden]

Replaced with what?

[violet silo]

rifle aptitude for now

galv aptitude later

[pulsar linden]

It was a quick swap, I tried thunderbolt earlier today. Didn't do what I expected.

I didn't wanna get made fun of.

I also thought of this mostly by myself.

[violet silo]

you got the basics right, crit stats and damage

and multisshot

[pulsar linden]

The only issues I have are when my plunder gets neutered by a teammate killing my farm.

[violet silo]

thunderbolt's pretty trash

[pulsar linden]

I've taken this build to level 150 on Apollo.

[fathom elbow]

anyone have a garuda prime build i just got her and dont have a build yet

[slender lintel]

anyone have a levelcap build for nyx?

[cursive peak]

Level cap for nyx is kind of weapon dependant. She can full strip, is 100% invincible, and gets a ton of crit, and limitless energy, but she has no real damage by herself

[sharp hemlock]

is the kohm a good shotgun to get?

not the kuva one the regular

[undone dust]

reg sucks

[sharp hemlock]

whats a good shotgun then im mr8

@undone dust

is the cedo good

[thorn oak]

yes

[thorn oak]

cedo is very good

alt fire primes enemies and the main fire does extra damage to the enemies you prime

the main fire is also pretty good by itself

idk what shotguns u can get at mr8 but the ones i use are the kuva kohm, boar (its good with and without incarnon), and the cedo mainly

id only recommend a kohm if u have something for fire rate

but unless u have incarnon the cedo is probably better than the boar, although the boar is perfectly fine without incarnon

[sharp hemlock]

i got a cedo set whatt mods should i use @thorn oak

[thorn oak]

let met get on ill show u what i use

[sharp hemlock]

i got tired of using the gotva prime i feel like it shoots legos

and i loved the hex shot gun

[thorn oak]

this is my more new player friendly build

you might not have half the stuff

primed mods obviously just put the normals

same with galvanized if u dont have them

[sharp hemlock]

i dont have any primes is there alteratives

[thorn oak]

yes, regular ravage and chilling grasp

[sharp hemlock]

i have galvanized

are they good

[thorn oak]

Yes

they are essential for 99% of the best builds in the game

[sharp hemlock]

why is the status chance so low on this gun

[thorn oak]

because its determind by pellet

with galvanized hell on your multishot sits at 14

so 14 pellets have a 5.9% chance to hit for a status basically

[pulsar linden]

That's neat that pellets are calculated individually.

[thorn oak]

yea they have to cuz if 14 pellets had a 84% chance for a status that would be incredibly op

[sharp hemlock]

how do i get a orikin catalyst

so i can upgrade the gun

[thorn oak]

there is an alert for one right now if u havent done it

[sharp hemlock]

havent ima do it

[thorn oak]

its an interception just play with randoms

[sharp hemlock]

why is there no point blank?

[thorn oak]

you can put it on if u want if u dont got elementalist

but it really doesnt need it, the passive on the cedo is rly good

so if u just have high status and shoot the alt fire u basically have point blank

• you will deal more damage anyways since the enemy will have status on them

[sharp hemlock]

dont have it how do i get it

[thorn oak]

the ascension game mode

i think a moa has a chance of dropping it

[sharp hemlock]

what does toxic barrage do?

[thorn oak]

or u can just buy it from somebody i dont think its that much

[thorn oak]

toxin damage + 60% status chance

you can just do contagious spread + a cold mod if u have any of those

i have a spare toxic barrage if u dont have one

[sharp hemlock]

Critical Deceleration lowers firerate right

i dont have one

[thorn oak]

yes it does by a little bit

youll probably just have to run a toxin mod and then a cold mod and not use heat

[sharp hemlock]

this is what i have so far

[thorn oak]

looks good just make sure to upgrade the mods obv

[sharp hemlock]

yeah i will

[thorn oak]

and then just make sure crit decel is on there

or something for crit chance

[sharp hemlock]

im struggling with endo

[thorn oak]

Yup thats warframe for u

[sharp hemlock]

is there any farms i can do?

[thorn oak]

struggle with it for a long time and then have too much of it at some point

for early game im not sure

[sharp hemlock]

im mr8 is that early game

[thorn oak]

Yea

i would just look it up and find something that works for u

if u have maroos bazar u can go to maroo and she will give u a mission to find an ayatan statue that u can fill and sell to her for endo

[sharp hemlock]

im far enough to have warframe 1999 so i should be able to farm

[thorn oak]

oh

then do the calendar quests i think there is one in there that gives 6k endo right now

[sharp hemlock]

that bow from new war carried me lol

[thorn oak]

yes that bow is a very good weapon

the nataruk

[sharp hemlock]

i just hate bows sometimes

[thorn oak]

i agree

i almost exclusively use shotguns

[sharp hemlock]

im more of a beam user but dont have the torid incarnon so i have to unlock steel path

[thorn oak]

do u have the phantasma

[sharp hemlock]

nope

[thorn oak]

id look into it, its very good

also when u get steel path the boar incarnon is a beam weapon

[sharp hemlock]

what mr can you get it

[thorn oak]

steel path u unlock when u do every mission on the normal star chart

[sharp hemlock]

i meant the phatasma

[thorn oak]

its 9

i think

[sharp hemlock]

how many guns do i need to max out to get 35909 xp to the next rank

[karmic badger]

Weapons are 3k a piece

Adversary weapons are 4k, warframes and companions are 6k

[thorn oak]

best way for early mr is joining a clan that has everything unlocked and just buying the blueprints there

[sharp hemlock]

why does crafting give xp

[thorn oak]

it doesnt, leveling the weapons do

but a huge amount of blueprints come from clan dojos

[karmic badger]

There's 4 warframes there, volt, nezha, Zephyr, wukong. That's 24k. Plus like several dozen weapons

[steel swift]

trying to start putting together endgame builds, can someone help me out?

[violet silo]

12

[violet silo]

maybe, lets see

[steel swift]

not really sure what frames are totally worth heavily investing into

can u hop in a call rq? my screenshot shit wont work

i just buiilt protea and enjopy her so would maybe like to build her out rlly well, and build maybe a better mesa, gyre and jade, along with maybe caliban or mirage

[violet silo]

no

[lean tendon]

anything that resonates to your playstyle

[steel swift]

are you asking or giving advice

[lean tendon]

advice

legit all frames work even in endgame

[violet silo]

this game's modding system is good enough that any frame is viable

[lean tendon]

its just a matter of which frame do you enjoy the most

[violet silo]

any frames considered "bad" are just frames that have to try a bit harder

to do the same as the "good" ones

[thorn oak]

i will argue that

[steel swift]

xaku is fun, gyre is fun, id like to build my gauss, yareli, nyx, and nidus mostly. maybe make my khora better, my gara and mesa could use some work too

[thorn oak]

inaros is garbage, limbo is niche

[steel swift]

and maybe my protea

[thorn oak]

gara very good once u understand how to actually use her

[steel swift]

ive tried i dont rlly get the hype

[violet silo]

inaros isn't even one of the frames I'd consider mid or weak

[steel swift]

cant build combo

[violet silo]

inaros is fine

[thorn oak]

yes she can and u dont know how to play her then

[sharp hemlock]

Bounties are insane 3k endo from one mission

[steel swift]

how then??

[thorn oak]

her 1 u dont have to hold down, to gain combo, also it gains combo fast if u do hold it down

[steel swift]

i rarely hold it

[thorn oak]

her 4th if u hit with her 1 held down literally annihilates every enemy around her wall

[steel swift]

is that how to build combo?

[thorn oak]

it doesnt matter how u do it

if u play steel path shes a lot better tho cuz enemy density

[steel swift]

Is this buns

[thorn oak]

i also thought gara was not super crazy up until i seen a video of a guy farming for citrine and saw how he played her

i would have more strength

if u hit her 4th with the whip it multiplies the damage

which is how people basically nuke with her

[steel swift]

ik that

[thorn oak]

also makes the wall stronger aswell if u do defense

[steel swift]

thats cool

ok so what do i spec into

[thorn oak]

i would recommend watching this video to see how he uses her

has really not much to do with gara but watching him play her put me into perspective on how to play her

id do some strength some range

get shattered storm for her

[steel swift]

lemme watch that video rq

[steel swift]

i got it

[thorn oak]

range affects her whip so u want more range than strength

splinter storm also makes her stuff do more damage aswell

[steel swift]

ok bet

m watching this video its entertaining

[thorn oak]

i would recommend paying attention to his ability usage cuz he kinda loops it

[steel swift]

i am

[thorn oak]

if i remmeber he mainly uses her splinter storm, which u can stack with mass vitrify and her whip which makes it do crazy damage, u can basically just walk past enemies and they die

but if u dont wanna be doing complicated setups then u can just build her whip and mass vetrify and youll do good damage either way

[steel swift]

she seems good but

not THAT good

[thorn oak]

i mean shes really good but your preference is what matters the most in warframe

i wouldnt play according to what others say

[lean tendon]

is what I said earlier

[thorn oak]

kinda the most important thing is just finding what works for you

[lean tendon]

frames and weapon choices are always preference in this game

you can run "meta" but if its not fun then what's the point

[thorn oak]

if u wanna nuke their are better nukes than her no warframe is the best at everything

but she is a pretty good all around warframe

[steel swift]

How’s this look

Maybe slightly better

[thorn oak]

it looks good enough

i think youll be fine using that

[outer jewel]

funny build idea i had for the sobek

any suggestions for improvements?

[violet silo]

...what was the goal here

[outer jewel]

splodey bullets

[thorn oak]

yea im kinda lost

[violet silo]

im gonna be honest
sobek is bad

[outer jewel]

kuva sobek

it's fine

[violet silo]

like genuinely, sobek or kuva sobek is a weak gun

[thorn oak]

acid shells with certain warframes literally clean the entire map

[karmic badger]

Nah? Like the only complaint i have is the slow fire rate

[outer jewel]

disagree personally

[violet silo]

just because it suddenly becomes good when played by around 6 frames doesnt mean it is

[outer jewel]

it's just a normal shotgun

[karmic badger]

Like acid shells let's you build for single target damage and not care for aoe

[violet silo]

that doesnt mean much in this game

[karmic badger]

Also my sobek is most used on nova lmao

[outer jewel]

so youre playing it wrong...

[thorn oak]

u can still do a lot of damage without said warframes u can have blast and acid shells and it loops

[violet silo]

nova and molecular prime works with acid shells, so that's different

[thorn oak]

what is ur build for nova sobek and do u use her antimatter drop with it

[outer jewel]

acid shells lets you map clear with sayrn

[solid delta]

the only problem with sobek is that it doesnt work if you are not host

[outer jewel]

iirc why most people use the kuva sobek

[solid delta]

acid shell

[violet silo]

this person isn't even running acid shells

[steel swift]

ok so shes insane, i formad her and missing 2 mods still cooking

def need more range

[karmic badger]

Nah I've subsumed drop for nourish since it applies to her nullstars

[thorn oak]

dude what? i did not know this 😭

[outer jewel]

me? i have an acid shells but i wanted to make a regular conventional build cause i sank a bit of forma into it

[violet silo]

this is just a build for a generic shotgun essentially
there are far better options in that category

[outer jewel]

figured since you can crank up the status chance with clip delegation and shattering justice blast could be funny

[thorn oak]

i run xatas on her instead of those portals

[lean tendon]

it has always been decent though

[outer jewel]

yeah it's a decent shotgun

[karmic badger]

Nullstars count as weapons...

[thorn oak]

true

[thorn oak]

null star so awesome

whats ur riven i also got a riven

[karmic badger]

Riven is CD and heat with -infested

[outer jewel]

if you're doing acid shells you wanna crank up base damage iirc

and faction damage

[karmic badger]

Scaldra ain't got faction mod

[thorn oak]

i actually wanna use the sobek so bad but i cant get away from the boar

arcane hotshot nova:

[solid delta]

which is better cycron or nukor?

[outer jewel]

roar

[outer jewel]

depends