builds-discussion

[fierce lark]

ophanim has the advantage of being recast every 40s instead of every new pack

that's about the only thing it has going for it

[lean tendon]

idk how this argument started over whether or not to use Blind Rage on Xaku

[eternal prism]

It for 2nd skill xaku not for me🐟

[undone dust]

yeah and guess what you get from one cast of pillage at 164% with corro projection
a 50% strip
while you would have to wait a whole ass 3 seconds for the exact same result on the exact same bare minimum str setup with oph

[eternal prism]

It need some armor strip

[woeful crest]

Has anyone used primary blight on a build?
What kind of occasion is it used on?

[eternal prism]

No need to wait, just kill

[fierce lark]

well the answer to this is you simply don't wait

is ophanim strip enough to kill things?

if yes, it's better at strip

if not, it's worse

you determine for yourself which is better

[solid delta]

its good on toxin sobek on oraxia

[fierce lark]

good on saryn/oraxia with forced toxin procs, good on certain weapons that do well with blast toxin (lizzie, some torid builds)

[undone dust]

what if ive already determined that
do i cover you in tar and feathers and beat you senseless

[eternal prism]

Secret cyte

[fierce lark]

blight cyte does in fact rhyme

but it's not good xd

[lean tendon]

bro all of his argument got countered so fast, and all of this is started because of saying not to use Blind Rage on Xaku

[undone dust]

give me secondary blight STAT

[lean tendon]

idk how we got here in the first place

[fierce lark]

why wouldn't you use blind rage on xaku

it's not like they have to spam

[undone dust]

and if you do, yknow just like
use nourish for comfort (at least at cap) because it's not like he needs anything else anyway

[solid delta]

I mean you kind of have to spam 4 if you use the augment

[lean tendon]

its not me who said it, I was the one who said its fine on Xaku then mentioned pillage and everything went downhill like what

[fierce lark]

your funny little broken ass xata's whisper buff does in fact scale with strength and not with enemy level

the nourish you may/may not be subsiming over 2 or 3 also scales with strength and not level

[eternal prism]

What xaku steals scales with enemy level.

[fierce lark]

and you press 1 button per minute unless you're doing a lost nuke

[undone dust]

your nice little slow from your 4 (while kind of neglible) also scales with strength

[fierce lark]

yes and that's 1 ability

[solid delta]

it depends on what playstyle youre choosing\

[novel bear]

4 augment isn’t good

[eternal prism]

But this is redundant anyway because it duplicates your attack

[solid delta]

this is just wrong

[undone dust]

it's not that it isnt good it's just that xaku doesnt really need it anyway

[fierce lark]

this whole convo is redundant, you press 1, optionally 2 abilities per minute on xaku

please use blind rage

[undone dust]

i press at least 3!

[eternal prism]

I don't want to, provided that it's not necessary.

[fierce lark]

it's literally never necessary

but it's still better than not having it sometimes

most times, even

[eternal prism]

Why if the enemies are dying anyway? With 100 str

[fierce lark]

because they will die faster with 199 str

[eternal prism]

Then this is a reason to use maximum str in all frames for less ttk

[lean tendon]

why use high range is they are gonna die on low and medium range as well? bruh your arguments doesn't make sense

[eternal prism]

This has no connection at all

[undone dust]

negative range xaku..

1 gun per whatever

[fierce lark]

correct, yes, if you can afford it and it doesn't impede on your other stats, more str = usually good

also, do you not understand how xaku's 2 scales?

[novel bear]

What weapon platform doesn’t use blind range?

[eternal prism]

Cuz i use ophanim and it give more control on map

[velvet pulsar]

Lavos

[undone dust]

as a man who loves xaku dearly
this hurts my head

[lean tendon]

from saying no need full strip (which pillage does) to saying an argument that works on pretty much anything you could argue for

[novel bear]

Doesn’t strength scale
The ones that do use blind rage

[eternal prism]

skill's base damage is multiplied by weapon's base damage.

It doesn't matter because it scales with enemy level anyway

[velvet pulsar]

U asked the exact question, I answered without context

[fierce lark]

no, the base damage is multiplied by ability strength and then multiplied again by the level of whatever enemy you stole it from

[eternal prism]

U not need a lot str for kill enemys by 2nd

And it was never necessary

[novel bear]

Lots of abilities scale with enemy level
Frames that have them build for strength

[fierce lark]

correct, you don't, you can do it with neutral

if you double your strength, enemies will still die twice as fast

this really is not a difficult concept

[eternal prism]

Garuda can play with 144 str

[fierce lark]

like idk why this has to be an argument

[undone dust]

it is can you dumb it down further

[eternal prism]

1 mod str

[fierce lark]

str good

[quiet laurel]

Basic math vs a warframe player epic rap battles of history

[undone dust]

garuda is a genuinely the worst comparison you could make in this scenario

[solid delta]

Xaku 2nd isnt that good until enemies are really high level

[novel bear]

But neg eff bad?
Me no understand

[lean tendon]

How can you say strength isn't necessary when a lot of Xaku's skills scale with strength. Does everyone play on level cap these days?

[fierce lark]

this entire conversation is also going under the basis that you are playing afk xaku

most people are not doing this and are going to press 1 and 4 and possibly 3 and shoot enemies

[undone dust]

no im a newgen what is level cap

[undone dust]

thank you

[fierce lark]

then run streamline seismic, fixed

[quiet laurel]

Apart from this whole convo you build strength anyway for pillage/terrify dentege

[fierce lark]

actually i dont think xaku 2 is considered a channel (even tho it should be)

[undone dust]

but but what if i dont have a channeled ability!!

[eternal prism]

It doesn't matter if lvlcap or not, it will still kill everything that comes close

[fierce lark]

yeah xaku has no channels game sucks

[novel bear]

If it was a channeled ability it wouldn’t work well with his 4 pausing duration

[fierce lark]

i guess we're back to pillage again

[undone dust]

pillage PEAK!!

[lean tendon]

same logic for high range and sacrficing like 30-40 range at most, it will still kill everything that comes close

[undone dust]

all roads lead to pillage

[eternal prism]

I just run past when i need xaku in mission And everything dies anyway

[novel bear]

Nah, lazy gate xaku

[eternal prism]

You took the word close too literally

[novel bear]

Evasion is good for that

[undone dust]

true omamori on top

[eternal prism]

No omnomnori in chat

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1147966476079345674.gif?size=48&name=fishierotate&quality=lossless

[solid delta]

persistence xaku 🗣️

[fierce lark]

comamori

because i fall asleep using it

[undone dust]

already did this buddy 🙄

[lean tendon]

no that's literally your argument

[undone dust]

DE fix vampiric grasp PLEASE i want to actively shoot myself in the foot

[eternal prism]

No, you just took that argument too literally

[undone dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276816177762533398/1459049230923464704/IMG_2647.gif

[lean tendon]

put that's how argument works? you take the other party's logic literally

you don't do figurative stuff in a debate

[fierce lark]

i thought the way arguments work was you try to strawman everything until something makes you make sense

[novel bear]

Yes you do
It’s called fallacy

[undone dust]

that's basically how it works

[fierce lark]

haha he said phallussy

[undone dust]

hehe.. phallus..

[undone dust]

i hate you

[fierce lark]

actually 1 braincell

[mighty flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1033053449891364924/1124792549417168916/CatSitRelicFireSticker.gif

[lean tendon]

Like bruh what did your school teach you to do in a debate? lie, dodge and bend information like a politician would?

[undone dust]

dude it's midnight, i have work in the morning, and i was arguing about a fictional skeleton

[undone dust]

i love you zuck!!

[novel bear]

Best way to win

[midnight sorrel]

guys i want a fun melee build cuz im tired of the metas

[fierce lark]

i mean politicians make a lot more than i do, clearly they're doing something right

[undone dust]

bro says tired of the metas but wants a melee build
checkmate liberals

[fierce lark]

gas afflictions spinnerex

[velvet pulsar]

Is that zuckerberg?

[undone dust]

yes

[novel bear]

Influence kestrel

[midnight sorrel]

lowk cuz the metas are primaries and nuking with frames

[novel bear]

Without electric on it

[undone dust]

afflictions slam kestrel trust

[lean tendon]

time to become a gunblade main or at least I think they fell off now so they aren't meta anymore

[velvet pulsar]

@mighty flare burn your resource eating centers then!

Afflictions bounce kestrel.

[novel bear]

Crescendo stropha

[fierce lark]

idk go into a mission with a nami solo volt holding E and have fun trying to shoot anything

[undone dust]

xatas kestrel prime is funny
i love it!!

[novel bear]

Primaries are not the meta

Secondaries are better because of arcanes

[midnight sorrel]

i find gun blades are tuff and whoever uses them just aura farms somehow

[fierce lark]

i dont think you can call anything specific "meta" for general gameplay

[novel bear]

And better primed mods

[lean tendon]

ngl the animations are dmc/bayonetta levels of cool

[midnight sorrel]

everything is good with the right build but some are overused/op

[fierce lark]

bayonet (currently only vinquibus) has absolutely cranked animations

[undone dust]

im cranking

[novel bear]

Can’t wait for corufell prime

[undone dust]

shit will actually be so peak

[night laurel]

cranking my vinquibus until i +350% Melee Damage

[fierce lark]

i genuinely wish vinq was op because it's one of the only weapons in the game that actually has interactivity

[velvet pulsar]

Can't wait to use afentis prime on corufell prime

[fierce lark]

and the melee looks sick as hell, the primary feels great to hit things with

[undone dust]

the reload sound is sexy so im sold

[fierce lark]

it's not even bad but i feel bad having anything other than praedos in my melee slot lol

[novel bear]

Not dual ichor? Shame

[fierce lark]

also they gave a gun garand pings but made the special mechanic "never reload" im chaffed

[velvet pulsar]

It even has a projectile in melee mode

[lean tendon]

try Kuva Ghoulsaw when it's released

maybe it has a cool gore unique mechanic added or something

[fierce lark]

i will, i even kept my butcher's revelry around

[undone dust]

my favorite skateboard with a saw blade

[novel bear]

Isn’t the stance awful though?

[velvet pulsar]

Just drive it.

[craggy niche]

uhhhhh

[velvet pulsar]

No u won't.

Don't.

[novel bear]

How many melees are ruined by bad stances?
I know heavy scythes suck, and whip and blade

[craggy niche]

learned that the isleweaver final boss is not able to be hit by peacemakers after my squad left cuz they couldn't figure out the mirror thingy lmao

[novel bear]

Lol

[lean tendon]

yeah the stance sux on the ghoulsaw but who know what they are cooking in their office

[novel bear]

Curse of mesa

Can’t hit anything important

[night laurel]

dorrclave could have been great...

[craggy niche]

i had a level 13 freshly formad acceltra to lean on

lmao

[night laurel]

she does hit oraxia, which is consistent with the curse

[velvet pulsar]

I honestly had a funny idea to solve it...

[craggy niche]

didn't exactly carry me i'll tell ya

[undone dust]

my favorite stat stick for atlas pre exalted change!!

[lean tendon]

I saw the amount of weed needed to push through Follie's 2nd skill so maybe Kuva Ghoulsaw is made with huge amounts of weed as well

[undone dust]

as long as the buffs are better than tenet quanta i will be happy

[novel bear]

Kuva ghoulsaw ships with innate electric and forced elec on every light attack

[mighty flare]

sparrings, nunchucks

arguably sword & shields but mostly 1 of the stances

[undone dust]

warfans feel like shit but that might just be me

[fierce lark]

considering the quanta vandal is already strong, im staring at the tenet quanta

[undone dust]

i also only heavy spam quassus prime anyway

[novel bear]

I like the gunsen

[velvet pulsar]

I call it "H.E.D."
"Holographic Enemy Deployer"

It marks a glyph of a big head of any enemy as a cosmetic (additional options to be purchased from market), and that glyph can be targeted by Peacemakers & Blaze Artillery, etc.

You deploy that glyph on enemies u can't target, and suddenly u can shoot them.

[mighty flare]

gutting the status chance for marginal crit buffs does not bode well
unless de reveals new gimmick, its not gonna be great

[undone dust]

didnt they also gut its fire rate

[mighty flare]

don't recall, if that's true then good chance tquanta is a straight up downgrade from vandal

[velvet pulsar]

So far Mutalist Quanta has the biggest AoE right?

15m? (Augment)

[undone dust]

10 FR on tenet and 12 on vandal ✌️🥹 any fire rate decrease is a gut to me

oh but it has 20 extra in the mag so its fine guys trust

.2s longer reload ✌️🥹

this some chud shit

[velvet pulsar]

They forgot to tag all Quanta variants as AoE

So they can use this and that holster reload exilus mod as well.

[undone dust]

we love mending shot

[velvet pulsar]

Same goes for all spearguns

[novel bear]

Pretty bad

Hopefully they buff it before release

[torn karma]

Best non incarnon weapons?

[novel bear]

Kuva nukor

[torn karma]

Even in SP

[novel bear]

Yes

[torn karma]

I have it with a decent built with good crit damage and enervate but i don't find it satisfying

Build prob?

[quiet laurel]

If we count synergies kuva sobek

[torn karma]

I am thinking of building nokko

Which weapons have good synergies with him

[quiet laurel]

Arbucep

Otherwise none cause he doesnt use weapons

[eternal prism]

if u not want use uskos swap elementalist and element to heat

[torn karma]

Should I not use the crit chance buff?

[eternal prism]

nope your cc is enervate

[torn karma]

Cool

[fierce lark]

where merciless gunfight

[eternal prism]

Why do you want to use it if any mod change leads to a decrease in dps?

If you want more crit, only riven can help.

without head multi damage

test in demolisher

[novel bear]

Better for multiple enemies

Nukor isn’t a single target weapon

[eternal prism]

It was enough for me to kill maps

because the enemies died too quickly

[fierce lark]

because it's an extremely slight decrease in single-target for an exponential aoe gain

[eternal prism]

As I wrote above, it was enough for me to kill entire rooms by simply holding down one button

[fierce lark]

every target hit with punch-through causes a new beam chain

alright well im not having this argument with you again

[green gyro]

I would recommend underframe

[eternal prism]

When I tested this, I ran with one nucor
so I didn't notice any problems with clear

[green gyro]

that site isn't as reliable

also punchthru is very good on nukor

the other guy is correct

[fierce lark]

im not explaining for the 82342th time that regardless of if something is good enough, better = better

[severe bough]

Dps maxin is not always needed

[eternal prism]

I wrote above that when I tested it, I didn't notice any problem with clear

[green gyro]

that's so real✅

[eternal prism]

I didn't use any other weapon for clearing, only nukor

[fierce lark]

you missed the most infuriating argument earlier about blind rage

[eternal prism]

If someone needs more, let them use it :/

[green gyro]

I actually don't understand why it's such a big issue to minmax in this game

in every other game ive played, people don't have this weird defensive mindset about bad/improvable builds

[eternal prism]

where minmax

[green gyro]

that's not directed at you rn

just like in general

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1147966476079345674.gif?size=48&name=fishierotate&quality=lossless

[versed harbor]

it goes both ways

[fierce lark]

runescape is worse

like, a lot worse

it is a minority case for people to allocate their gear/money appropriately for content

and not uncommon that they get offended if you suggest otherwise

[versed harbor]

minmaxers get upset when u wont use their builds / suggestions

non minmaxers get upset when you suggest an improvement to their build and they dont like it

shrug

[fierce lark]

i dont even get upset when people don't use good builds

i get confused if anything, but w/e

what upsets me is when people argue that a worse build is better, and then offer nothing to support it, or eventually switch their defense to "bro who cares" or "it's a game chill"

[eternal prism]

I only use my secret builds and don't get upset🐟

[versed harbor]

ye but if someone is happy with how the weapon performs then whatevs right

[undone dust]

nope they have to conform to what i say is right!!

[fierce lark]

the line for me gets crossed when they start suggesting their weird builds to other people and then backing them up like it's optimal

[severe bough]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318

[coral crest]

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-loser-tiny-kitten-explode-gif-15623895175038521381

[undone dust]

play persistence hildryn
very optimal
pls

[severe bough]

Poor car

[severe bough]

Rhino persistence tech

Trust

[cold salmon]

*shares modless build*
"Build is gud, trust me bro"

[urban dock]

should I go for right or left?

[fierce lark]

both are trash

[versed harbor]

nice grendel mission build

[cold salmon]

3pos1neg with low dispo have too little stats increase

[fierce lark]

3-1 is the best case scenario, but like...the roll has to be exactly FR CD CC/MS to be slottable lol

[cold salmon]

doesnt riven gives u higher stats roll if u have 2-1 instead of 3-1? 😮

[eternal prism]

Yes, I just offered my option because I dont have any problems with clear, as mentioned above, and I can also use it as a solo target

[fierce lark]

the stats of the two are higher but you get less stats overall vs having 3 of them

[eternal prism]

but u have 3 stats

it give u more then 2

(if it 3 good stats ofc)

[cold salmon]

so in every scenarios, u always want to go for 3-1 ideally?

[fierce lark]

pretty much

unless it's a specific case where you only care about 1 stat

like IC ceramic dagger rivens

[undone dust]

3 negatives please!

[cold salmon]

😮

[versed harbor]

if u get 3 negatives then you can get a reeaaaally big positive ez

[fierce lark]

i'll take my -cc -cd -zoom +multishot phenmor riven ty

(probably still less ms than galv chamber)

[undone dust]

-cc -punc trust

[versed harbor]

this would be a cracked riven system change tbh but too much added rng

[fierce lark]

-I -P -S +elec nami solo riven

would sell for like 40k plat

[undone dust]

-fd -cc on slide -imp +cc magistar riven trust

+500% cc yesyes

[undone dust]

vinq got poopy dispo rivens eeeyuck

[toxic cypress]

any idea how i can make this better?

[night laurel]

what does a good vinq riven even look like. reload? u have infinite ammo. the usual suspects of cc cd dmg? trash dispo. attack speed?

range ig??????

[fierce lark]

non-existent because 0.5

[charred gale]

c/modding

[green gyro]

yes exactly

[green gyro]

not running blast

viral magnetic

[toxic cypress]

ok

[lean tendon]

Damn there's part 2 on the Blind Rage moment?

[novel bear]

Blind rage moment was already like a part 10

[warm obsidian]

Noticed it's not max range

Nvm
My dumah didn't count CDrifr

[vague scaffold]

I kinda wanna see what would happen if you ran corosive and cold and see how fast you can flash freeze rooms

[summer moon]

u asked it in the "builds-discussion"
if it were a fashion chat you would likely get the opposite opinion

[green gyro]

i meant the opposite of what you think

as in, people have issues with minmaxing or just improving

[summer moon]

if they don't see a problem with this playstyle why would they want to change anything?

[hearty night]

hi hungry im spk

[green gyro]

its not a playstyle difference

[eternal prism]

yes, it's enough to be a yareli and do so

[green gyro]

its just a better option

[summer moon]

the current patch allows to play however u want and still complete all the available content

[green gyro]

so? better=better, its also more fun to learn and apply the knowledge into your own builds

[eternal prism]

When it comes to balancing convenience and min-max, you have to choose. This is especially true for weapons that can perform slightly different tasks

like nukor

[summer moon]

its more fun for u, but it may not be fun for somebody else

[green gyro]

yes, thats a different case tho

[eternal prism]

nukor solo target goated

[tardy lily]

So the syam any thoughts

[eternal prism]

syam fine

[tardy lily]

Getsuga Tensho ahhh sword

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1147966476079345674.gif?size=48&name=fishierotate&quality=lossless

not like syam cuz it nikana

[tardy lily]

The heavy attack pocs heat and not slash

[night laurel]

multiCO on heavy

[tardy lily]

Interesting

[night laurel]

people say its p good

[eternal prism]

because it syam light attacks better then heavy

[eternal prism]

yes but light syam better

[cold salmon]

heard something juicy about syam

[onyx quail]

guys what is the best primary and melee weapon for prime protea

[cold salmon]

multiCO, ignore LOS heavy projectiles that travel hundreds of meters

with melee influence it become a kpm monster or smth

[tardy lily]

No turns out if you put toxic, CO and influence on it and use volt to get the electric it does the funnies

[cold salmon]

never tried it myself tho

[tardy lily]

Yes this is the plan

[night laurel]

i have it but i havent properly built it; the projectile is inf puncthrough iirc

[eternal prism]

my riven with heat but i should swap pressure point to elementalist

cuz i need base damage in riven

then it will work

[tardy lily]

Am gonna put it on volt to get the electric so I can run primed toxic and influence

[eternal prism]

well, or don't take advantage of heavy attack

[tardy lily]

But but Getsuga Tenshō 🥺

[eternal prism]

u need 3 status in weapon if u want gas

Without riven it's a waste of time...

[cold salmon]

i dont have an answer for that 💀 i dont think protea has any unique interaction with certain weapons, so just any good weapon will do. Tho i would say avoid weapons that relies on heat dot to kill as it will probably suffer from reverse heat inherit assuming u have protea's turret active at all times.

[tardy lily]

3 stats no IT COMBINES toxic n it's heat to get the gas tho

It weird but yeah it does

[cold salmon]

just gotta mod toxin on it, it will combine with the heat on heavy for gas

[tardy lily]

Yeah that's why am using volt to trigger the influence

[eternal prism]

You'll have electricity mixed with toxin, which isn't what you need. Only heavy attack will be with gas and electricity

= bad procs influence

[tardy lily]

Yeah I don't plan to do light attacks

[cold salmon]

electric from shock trooper doesnt combine with modded elements no?

[tardy lily]

I assume no cause influence is triggering

[eternal prism]

It's not convenient to make a weapon for a specific buff, but yes, this will work too

[eternal prism]

Because of this, I also don't like augment on hate :/

[cold salmon]

he did mentioned hes gonna do that already

[eternal prism]

it also need volt skill

[eternal prism]

Well then it's his business. I don't like using weapons like that

magistar do bonk

😎

[tardy lily]

I have put Magister on literally every frame I got bored

[eternal prism]

I only use it with yareli and voruna

[velvet pulsar]

@novel bear @fierce lark
Restorative Bond doesn't affect the energy increment of universal fallout

[eternal prism]

in other cases I use primary and secondary weapons

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162254708858167407/1368265067942121694/41154030c1f7dc46.gif

[tardy lily]

I don't get yareli why is it cause you could

[eternal prism]

she convenient and has a multiplying damage multiplier. It also doesn't require any stats except some str

just emmm mega bonk

also i can use here 5 parkour sahrds...

[green gyro]

yareli slam...

[eternal prism]

yareli secret slam

build was lost thousands of centuries ago

[tardy lily]

After Pablo touched the slam radius

[eternal prism]

it still good btw

[nova pendant]

For early game is this good enough

[eternal prism]

Besides nami solo or slam weapons, I doubt there's anything stronger.

rest will obviously be weaker, so I just use praedos

But some people like it. It's not for me to stop them

[eternal prism]

use toxin not cold

gas dread better

[nova pendant]

Where can I get toxin

[eternal prism]

It's hard to recommend anything to start with. Bows are expensive to build.

[eternal prism]

mod

90 or 60/60

This is the easiest thing you can do now

[nova pendant]

Oh oke
But where can I get toxin mod from

[cold salmon]

def room for improvement, but with ur current limited mod collection, its good enough

[eternal prism]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Infected_Clip
https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Malignant_Force

[nova pendant]

Thxx alot

[eternal prism]

To have a strong bow you need to spend a lot of time or platinum
arrow arcane give more then co mod to be honnest

a lot more...

[nova pendant]

New player 🙂

[eternal prism]

with dread augment....

start price 600~ plat

[nova pendant]

Oh btw I picked mag as starter if that changes anything

[eternal prism]

nope nothing change except mag good for projectales

[cold salmon]

ye, u kinda did whatever u can with ur current mod collection, u will surely get more mods down the line, thats when u start to worry about ur build

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297398761550516337/1478146901386989851/Screenshot_2026-02-28-08-37-19-004_com.zhiliaoapp.musically-edit.gif

time build miter and boar...

and maybe lato...

[cold salmon]

mostly unchanged, tho mag works exceptionally well with weapons that has high punch through, so if u find a mod that increase punch through, throw that on ur wewapon

[fierce lark]

game sucks

try hp eff shard

[coral crest]

I love miter

Latron but good

Don't @ me

[fierce lark]

im gonna @ you, latron is goat

[coral crest]

Well miter is easier to charge

And rivens are a lot cheaper

[nova pendant]

Oke
I was just struggling with story mode so I figured something had to be done

[fierce lark]

latron doesn't need to charge, everything dies no matter what flavor of bullet

[nova pendant]

Thx alot guys

[velvet pulsar]

Trying

[coral crest]

https://tenor.com/view/kenjou-cat-500x-slap-gif-9251515147523832777

[eternal prism]

delete latron

[velvet pulsar]

Doesn't work either...

Energizing Shot boosts the health gain, health orb effectiveness shard doesn't boost energy

[fierce lark]

cringe

[velvet pulsar]

And there's no point of trying mending shot because that's equal to Energizing Shot

[coral crest]

Imagine shooting orbs

Is this a part of your ongoing well of life propaganda?

[velvet pulsar]

Universal Fallout synergies

https://youtu.be/1-DbdSQNroM?si=XShkyFIGzSvAxrAI

[velvet pulsar]

This doesn't work on Lavo's universal orbs or from grimoire BTW

So yeah, game sucks.

[eternal prism]

secret revive

[velvet pulsar]

Imagine not even needing to shoot orbs:

Pickup all health orbs in 15m radius (still needs to be tested)

[cold salmon]

is the era of bleed out gating coming back again

[velvet pulsar]

It was never gone. Oberon can still do it but more awkwardly now.

However for the rest of the frames...

https://youtu.be/M5h9zZ0dCrs?si=oeVGmFs4YweppdUI

[eternal prism]

maybe we can do without this after all

[velvet pulsar]

This + part 3 is by far the strongest combo to work on any frame.

[lean tendon]

You can just use Praedos Incarnon or Okina Prime Incarnon for the movement stat stick

[timid mulch]

Can you guys give me your volt build for general content, should i melee volt or gun volt?

[lean tendon]

Up to your playstyle preference

[timid mulch]

i do like guns more but im open for build recs since i want to fully inves in volt

[lean tendon]

Volt is very versatile so most likely you will have at least two more builds

[timid mulch]

oh and other than the incarnons which weapon would you say fitting for volt

[lucid flint]

volt has nice augments like shock trooper that lets him apply additional electric damage so melee influence builds work very well

although I guess it is an incarnon, hate incarnon can be built for pure heat for its augment and you can just use shock trooper for fluence

basically you can do unique stuff like that, where you can free up mod space from electric

[lean tendon]

You just put Shock Trooper augment mod for melee/gun builds. His defense options are also way too many variants so it depends on comfortability.

Personally I prefer shield gating since you want to refresh Shock Trooper augment and skill 2 anyways.

[timid mulch]

shield gating is arcane aegis and a fast deflection right?

[eternal prism]

catal shields also

with catal u not need aegis

but if u want u can put it also

[lean tendon]

Anything really since shock trooper doesn't combine with your element mods.

For melee so long as you put influence, amp up your status chance, and use Shock Trooper you're gonna nuke rooms.

For weapons it's the same and pretty much gameplay preference. You can go lich weapons or non incarnon weapons like AX 52.

[lucid flint]

also keep in mind crit is good, the volt shield boosts your crit damage when shooting through it

[lean tendon]

Yeah or Catalyzing Shields + Brief Respite or Augur mods

[timid mulch]

is the acceltra good for him i like the acceltra the most

[lucid flint]

yeah it works

he’s good with pretty much anything

[lean tendon]

Shock Trooper augment is universal so yeah just cast skill 1 and shoot through your shields and you'll pretty much kill anything on sight

For subsume I guess Roar is universally good for him

[lucid flint]

the biggest issue when building him is just making sure you spend slots on survivability he sure is squishy

[timid mulch]

sub it for the 4th ability?

[lucid flint]

thats what I have on mine

[lean tendon]

Ye

[timid mulch]

can you show me your build

[lucid flint]

I don’t have the most optmal build but I could probably post it yea

This build is for eidolons and cetus bounties so I skimp out on survivability because it’s low level content.

I do need to make a good survivable version

[timid mulch]

ok ty

oh and the arcchon mod

is it needed on him

[lucid flint]

stretch? If you’re building volt nuke maybe, it’s not the most potent nuke but it’ll be good for something like ESO

[timid mulch]

ok

[lucid flint]

Volt Nuke still works in steel path, just takes longer

[lean tendon]

Archon Stretch is generally good

I would always put it on Volt

Free energy regen is always welcome

[lucid flint]

well if you’re running pure WP I don’t think you’re getting energy from it no

unless your added damage counts and I didn’t know

[lean tendon]

You can proc it without 4

Even companions can proc it

[lucid flint]

oh yeah for diriga

[timid mulch]

yea i really need to work on my companion

[lean tendon]

But it's fine to not use it as well

[timid mulch]

im using an unmodded panzer

[lean tendon]

I have a 4x4 so I don't need to invest in Formas

[lucid flint]

my 6 forma aeolak…

oh the suffering

[lean tendon]

Aeolak is a fun gun anyways

I used it a lot until I got Nataruk. I was planning on building it further due to gunco but that plan didn't go through xd.

[lucid flint]

I can show mine, its a little cooked one sec, riven is 143% crit damage, 210% damage. Not the best but it works

[ashen pulsar]

Sayran build description with mods please

[signal blade]

Is Galvinized savvy good for kuva sobek im trying to get a good build for it

[ashen pulsar]

Where to find good build for all warframes? Any good site?

[signal blade]

Overframe is popular i think but I never use it

[cold salmon]

overframe but only ninjase's builds are consistently good

[lucid flint]

Overframe will have a bunch of examples of builds, you need to sort by date. There’s a lot of outdated builds

[signal blade]

Does anyone know if gun co is good on kuva sobek?

Idk how to build this weapon

[lucid flint]

I would suggest taking everything there and trying to understand what the person modding was doing, like multico considerations

rather than straight copying the build

Honestly I don’t have one so im gonna let someone who does answer that

[eternal prism]

come up with it yourself🐟

[lean tendon]

Underframe is a good site. Youtube is a good option. Overframe is good as well.

Overall, you just cross reference builds and test them to see which ones suit your playstyle more.

Learning modding mechanics will take some time and honestly even now I am still learning new things so just chill and have fun.

[eternal prism]

if for saryn

or oraxia

[lucid flint]

on a glance it looks good

[signal blade]

Shotgun elementalist?

Does that affect acid shells good

[eternal prism]

toxin

[signal blade]

Oh alright so faction mod too

Is vigilante armaments a flex slot

[eternal prism]

Why would anyone need sobek other than saryn cyte oraxia

[eternal prism]

for riven

[lean tendon]

I mean even before the Saryn Oraxia Cyte Sobek meta, its already one of the good kuva weapons

It's just most optimal on those frames

[eternal prism]

I don't like it. I don't know why they even came up with it😭

[karmic tree]

How effective is the Buzlok?

[eternal prism]

In the game, all weapons are somewhat effective with build. It depends on whether you like them or not

[granite ginkgo]

1v1 effective, mobbin not

[velvet pulsar]

Can help slight wall hacks.

Specially with Ivara.

[karmic badger]

the SOCKS meta?

[velvet pulsar]

Uriel

[eternal prism]

slash meta

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162254708858167407/1368265067942121694/41154030c1f7dc46.gif

[velvet pulsar]

Hence SOUCS

[eternal prism]

mhmhm punch....

[karmic badger]

U(riel)S(aryn)O(raxia)C(yte)K(uva)S(obek)

USOCKS

[velvet pulsar]

We socks, u socks.

[karmic tree]

Especially the annoying gruzzlings?

[lean tendon]

I kept seeing this as a 4th abuser of Sobek but I don't really know the build for it

[karmic tree]

USOCKS

Uriel
Slices
On
Cucumbers
Ketchup
Soup

[lucid flint]

do null stars work with sobek

nahhh

[granite ginkgo]

yea no, unless ur aiming is exception ur might struggle

[velvet pulsar]

Molecular Prime does, not null star.

[lucid flint]

Hmm

[eternal prism]

I wonder how convenient it is to abuse sg through grimoire or vazarin on lavos...

[velvet pulsar]

Vazarin is more convenient than grimoire.

[eternal prism]

i know

[velvet pulsar]

Though u can use both

[eternal prism]

but due to the specifics of use it is not very convenient due to the accumulation of damage

[velvet pulsar]

However I feel like it's time to switch to persistence lavos.

[eternal prism]

If I take too much damage, I just won't be able to activate it again quickly.

[lucid flint]

primary bulwark with lavos…

[eternal prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1147966476079345674.gif?size=48&name=fishierotate&quality=lossless

[karmic badger]

persistence lavos is kinda stressful ngl

[velvet pulsar]

I use it on Velocitus with Lavos

[velvet pulsar]

I have Well of Life on his 2 to make things smoother.

[eternal prism]

i hate persistence😭

[velvet pulsar]

I'm not willing to use it until the bug gets fixed.

[eternal prism]

I need to achieve stable survival without this

associated with acolytes?

[velvet pulsar]

Associated with clients

[eternal prism]

where they turn off the arcana forever

[velvet pulsar]

Persistence doesn't block 500 damage per second for clients, it only does that for hosts.

[eternal prism]

if u host it also broken via acolytes

They just turn it off until you die

[velvet pulsar]

...and if they die?

[eternal prism]

yes

until the end of the mission

Well, either you will have to die and be reborn.

[velvet pulsar]

What if go in bleedout and revive?

Rather than dead.

[eternal prism]

still doest work

We already tested this and at first we didn't understand why it wasn't working

[cold salmon]

100% replication?

[velvet pulsar]

?

[eternal prism]

Only 2 acolytes can break this arcana

[velvet pulsar]

It's in known issues. (Not the acolytes one)

[eternal prism]

this is the only good news

[cold salmon]

has it always been that way ever since persistence is out?

[velvet pulsar]

Most likely.

[eternal prism]

but you can kill them faster than they can use their skills... without losing the ability to use the arcana

[cold salmon]

because i did chroma cap the other day with persistence and i wasnt hosting, and it was fine for me

[velvet pulsar]

Clients get 500 dmg per instance instead of per second

If an enemy has multishot or several enemies attack together, then u can get one-shot

Also DoTs are bypassing persistence it seems

At least slash does. Along with all other true damage sources like leech eximus.

[cold salmon]

ah that make sense

i thought persistence just completely not work if play as client

[velvet pulsar]

Nah that would've gotten noticed on week 1

[eternal prism]

What is cooldown for lavos helminth abilities? What do they depend on?

I'm thinking of replacing the 3rd skill for platform if it doesn't have such a significant cooldown

[velvet pulsar]

8s

Always

[eternal prism]

hmmm

[velvet pulsar]

No wait was it 10

It's either 10 or 8

Not big difference

[eternal prism]

It's sad that I have to leave the 4th skill for the universal platform

why 3nd skill give electro...

[velvet pulsar]

I've seen people even subsuming on 4

[eternal prism]

if i do that i cant do blast

3rd most useless if you consider a universal platform

[velvet pulsar]

And blast valence formation is ridiculous so yeah a big loss

[eternal prism]

if im not blast... then yes 4 useless

although on the other hand I don't use any blast weapons

[last karma]

does wukong prime needs a helminth abilities?

[eternal prism]

should be fine then
I'll have to think about the 1st Arcana... will it give enough

[queen spruce]

Depends. What do you plan on doing with him?

[last karma]

slam build

[eternal prism]

maybe also swap aura

but im lazy polar it

[queen spruce]

In that case, no, but also yes. Swapping out iron staff/celestial twin for wrathful advance is a big damage boost

But not needed! Nice otherwise

[last karma]

okk thanks

[velvet pulsar]

Stay away from this then:

And any player who is using it.

[last karma]

why?

its bad?

[velvet pulsar]

Because this:

[karmic badger]

honestly that might be real funni to grief slamkongs

[last karma]

he is low on shields?

[eternal prism]

isnt it good for arca titron ?

[velvet pulsar]

I've killed several such via this.

[karmic badger]

also going into a no respawn gamemode with an unleveled companion? fo shame

[velvet pulsar]

I've seen overconfident ones with just Magistar and nothing else

BTW, unleveled companion can still have full build because that player is above MR 30

[last karma]

can anyone help me build my wukong. im currently mr 12

and also my current melee is xoris

[velvet pulsar]

It is

[eternal prism]

hmmm status damage like elementalis?

[velvet pulsar]

It's also good for coda mire

[eternal prism]

i should get it for voruna

[velvet pulsar]

Horrible design though.

If u get no positive out of your attack, you still get full negative out of it.

[velvet pulsar]

Same horrible design choice as arcane persistence.

[eternal prism]

I don't think I'll have any problems with the shields. (vazarin user)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297398761550516337/1478146901386989851/Screenshot_2026-02-28-08-37-19-004_com.zhiliaoapp.musically-edit.gif

Wait, the helminth has the cheapest possible survival option for lavos... Uriel's skill

[velvet pulsar]

Not spammable

[eternal prism]

theoretically it is possible to use it without any problems

[velvet pulsar]

U can only cast it every 10s unless using cooldown reductions

[eternal prism]

i know but
all that is enough to use is 1 with augment and 3

but then i need cast speed and efficiency

looks more convenient than sg, given that I rarely take a lot of damage

also this build should good cuz a lot crowd control

[velvet pulsar]

Do u have any compulsion over companion choice?

[eternal prism]

wyrm only i use

for status imune and buffs weapon

[velvet pulsar]

I have 2 better options, because lavos already has status immunity (could be difficult to proc)

[eternal prism]

Well, I'm not planning on using it on a regular basis. I'm more likely just testing it out. wyrm is simply more versatile

he basically just gives me a lot of buffs and control

[velvet pulsar]

Then the 2 choices are either raksa kubrow or hound/diriga with guardian.

[eternal prism]

Maybe someday I'll try this

im also can use rolling guardian for uriel skill...

[velvet pulsar]

I use my Lavos & Hildryn with Raksa Kubrow

[eternal prism]

it give me some space

also vazarin can give me some space

if I'm wrong it help a lot

[onyx quail]

whats the best prime protea melee and primary weapon

[eternal prism]

as u want

protea not platform frame if im not mistake

it looks very good lol

also for magista it... funny

but apparently the electrical damage is much stronger than the toxin

[normal folio]

Planning on grinding for Volt Prime as a new player. Is it a good Idea or nah?

[eternal prism]

it good

With a volt, you can do approximately the same thing as in the video

[versed harbor]

ye volt is rly nice cuz hes the best frame for tons of modes

and outside of that hes just rly strong in general

[velvet pulsar]

I guess any primary that can use mending shot.

[eternal prism]

Btw does augment work the same as sarina whip or cyte

Or it cant triple dip?

[normal folio]

Thinking about doing Vergil SDT cosplay as Volt Prime lol

[eternal prism]

🍴

[wraith sinew]

is there any way i should build my braton for the incarnon? just unlocked the genesis

do i want to build it for base heat?

[eternal prism]

U can try build it like burston i think

[wraith sinew]

hows that

should i potato it actually?

[eternal prism]

Make sure co work exactly how it work on burston
If it work fine then use co mod Instead of serration

I'll say right away that I'm not sure that their builds are the same, but I'm more than sure that they are close to the same.

[fierce idol]

Is it normal for sevagoth to leave enemies at 1% hp? Like even if i spam my 1st skill they wont explode to death idk what im doing wrong 😭

[eternal prism]

Nope it not normal

Show your build

[fierce idol]

idk if i should get that much that strength

[eternal prism]

U have roar?

[fierce idol]

No... Im using dagath's ability cuz im too lazy to farm for rhino again

[eternal prism]

But without it, you won't be able to one-shot enemies without sufficient investment

For nuke sevagoth u need it

Or use a claw build

[fierce idol]

Oh welp time to farm for rhino

[eternal prism]

It's very fast

[fierce idol]

But the 3 day wait...

[eternal prism]

Well, you can use the claw build for now.

[frosty fjord]

rhino is 24h build time

[fierce idol]

Fr?

[frosty fjord]

yeah they changed him some time back

just him and koumei rn that are like that though

[fierce idol]

Well thats nice

[eternal prism]

Anyway for helminth it need another day

🥺

[frosty fjord]

still get him faster to helminth than you’d craft him alone before lol

[rocky mason]

Until next update, then all 3 starters will be 24h too

[eternal prism]

It still takes a long time

🐟

[true talon]

hello does dante support build same as the damage one?

[eternal prism]

Not kill dur a lot str if it base sp some range maybe for helminth ability

In any case, you can try to do something yourself that will be convenient for you

[fierce idol]

Pls rhino systems

[true talon]

i just unlocked the helminth not sure what it does

[frosty fjord]

feed base frames to it and you’ll unlock their one pre determined ability for infusion to other frames

[eternal prism]

Changes one of the 4 frame abilities

[frosty fjord]

and then with segments you can do a whole lot more with it

[true talon]

is the archon shard in helminth too?

[eternal prism]

Yes

[frosty fjord]

yeah when you get the shard segment

[fierce idol]

Game keeps giving me chassis

Jackal can drop orokin cell?

[eternal prism]

I don't know, but why do you need it if yes?

Not the best way to farm

[fierce idol]

I got it randomly

I got my 6th rhino chassis

[eternal prism]

Secret credit farm

[flint mesa]

magistar plus voruna build, should i make any changes?

[eternal prism]

delete blow
use might

anguish in exilus

As for the build for voruna itself, I don't know how it's build, so I can't give any advice

[severe bough]

U use wrathful on voruna?

And also change killing blow for focus rad

[flint mesa]

dont have it yet

[flint mesa]

did that ye

[eternal prism]

u have auto 8 with reflex

almost

[severe bough]

Then use saci steel + blood rush either u replace focus radon or organ shatter ( if organ u need external cd through purple shards )

[severe bough]

Yea more hae = more frequent spams

[flint mesa]

i have voruna 1 tho that gives 100 crit chance plus galv steel gives 100 more crit chance

[sour fulcrum]

is it possible to make gas scale damage? Like a lot

[midnight horizon]

What are you trying to do

[brittle sleet]

Heavy efficiency does make your initial combo restore faster, though whether that matters or not will depend on your slam frequency (some players do not care to slam cancel or generally do high inputs per minute so it can become a comfort stat)

[eternal prism]

You only need one reflex to do this as u can see it this video

You still need time to jump

and while you jump, your combo will return

[midnight horizon]

Do you have a video for Hate Incarnon without Burning Hate?

I wanna see how reliable it is in SP

[eternal prism]

it one shot it

if u mean heavy build

[midnight horizon]

Hate Incarnon?

[sour fulcrum]

I am trying to understand deeper how the elements works and how can i take advantage of it. I am taking the Scyotid and experimenting Blast and Gas since this weapon has an interesting mechanic of grouping up enemies. But no matter how much I try to scale the damage against simple SP lvl170 Grineers, it won't scale too much. Even if my damage hits like 3k, the gas hits like 300 or even... 60

[eternal prism]

yes
if influence still good damage

it can kill lvl cap so

[severe bough]

If u slam 24/7 u wont reach max combo unless u wait a bit and 90% hae is still just more comfy but do how you do

[eternal prism]

im in this run playing only with magistar

im fine with combo

also use here 4 parkour shards for faster slam

[heady palm]

This is my current build for koumei. Mods aren’t 100% maxed out yet. Ideally I’d like to use her for steel path once I unlock it, but I’m still struggling with survivability and damage output in main quests. Is that normal?

[midnight horizon]

Think of it as this

Some elementals are just meant for "support elementals"

You might need arcanes for those to achieve greater damage, But it's usually different than the other, different functions

That's how I understand it

[midnight horizon]

Without Burning Hate right?

[eternal prism]

yes

burning hate good only with platform

[midnight horizon]

Would it work if I light attack?

With the Incarnon activated?

[eternal prism]

yes

yes

[midnight horizon]

Oh sheesh.....

[eternal prism]

But for the augment you still need riven if I'm not mistaken.without it, the damage is already enough

or platform frame

[midnight horizon]

Ah I see

[severe bough]

Hate is probably one of the strongest scyhtes after harmony

[midnight horizon]

After harmony?

[sour fulcrum]

yeah, thats what i am trying to understand. How can i make good use of gas specifically? Even if it's a support, what and how exactly? Is it just +1 element to CO based stuff? does it synergize well with something that would make it very special etc. Or should I just kinda ignore it?

[severe bough]

At least for heavy spam

[eternal prism]

Kills 4k level enemies with skills. I haven't tested it further

[midnight horizon]

I wanna spam light attack tho

[severe bough]

Then i would use hate idk if light spam harmony is good

I mean ofc its good just slap on influence

[midnight horizon]

When it comes to CO, idk

Gas was known for supporting Acuity weapons for headshots (at least from what I heard)

[severe bough]

And tennokai

[midnight horizon]

Fair

[heady palm]

Oh dang that’s nice. I’ll have to look into the mods and arcanes I don’t have. Thank you!

[sour fulcrum]

Hmmm

[eternal prism]

I forgot to mention that I tested it without decrees. It will be clearly stronger with them.

[heady palm]

Yeah I’m still getting the hang of some of her decrees—I don’t utilize wall latching that much, for example

[severe bough]

Gas is pretty weird since its lingering clouds are bugged but how i understood it. Gas is capped like blast at 10stacks and refreshes itself. So new gas stacks replace the old weaker once and Gas interaction is basically making a gas cloud depending on how much stacks u have it will last longer.
iirc the incoming attack u do gets * by the amout of gas procs u got on the enemy that is the final dmg by the cloud. Tho Gas is only really used together with afflictions because gas doesnt care about weighting. Only sc
and afflictions makes status Application easier
Lavos can be really good with gasffliction due to valence formation giving u 200% modded whatever u want that force procs so u can basically skip modding for gas on weapons. Tho id really recommend running a bane/roar.
And keep in mind if playing weapons like magistar u might not trigger afflictions because everything gets one tapped before even flung or knockdown

[eternal prism]

not forgot about sickening pulse

it your damage

[craggy niche]

Is there any point to cata if you have pillage?

Also is jades deathbringer flat, additive, or multiplicative

[eternal prism]

secret pillage with double sg

btw i have simillar build on garuda

pillage catal shields

and 1 augur

secret build

[severe bough]

Additive as i saw in wiki

[craggy niche]

Was just thinking about for my gyre cuz after about 5k she gets real squishy

[eternal prism]

i have build on gyre

2 str shards

[severe bough]

If U play pure ability dps u def need a strip and pillage is great for that

[craggy niche]

This is mine currently

I have 3 tau violet for ability damage on shock

That conductive sphere aug is really powerful cuz it adds projectiles

[eternal prism]

4nd skill not need str

[craggy niche]

Conductive scales really well with str

[eternal prism]

I showed you the build I used to level cap. You need 330+ strength for pillage.

otherwise it is not effective

and corr aura

it give u 100% strip

If you don't want that much str, you can use roar, because it will give you more if you're not aiming for high levels. The damage will be enough for you without changing any skills

[severe bough]

U dont really need to one tap strip with pillage u will cast it anyways get range at least to 235 keep str to still have 50% strip with every cast

[craggy niche]

What he said

[eternal prism]

it's not convenient
I'm more than sure he won't want go to level cap. Roar will give more in that case.

In any case, the damage is enough without any additional skills for sp

If I hadn't wanted to use double pillage in the first place, I wouldn't have mentioned it, but it's really not convenient

[severe bough]

Yea but u lose your free gate and theres nothing he could really take out of the build anyways

U could run mecha set technically

[eternal prism]

In my build, can replace the augur mod if he wants an augment.

it will still work because of 330 str

This will also provide overall convenience and easy destruction of sp

or just roar. for not level cap it also good choice

[warm obsidian]

Anyone got Protea and Equinox builds

[eternal prism]

I have only secret equinox build

Everyone was afraid of duality with ogris and akarius

[craggy niche]

Gyre is not really a level cap friendly frame at all for one, and for two with no strip roar wont do shit lol, its still shock damage and v weak to armor

[eternal prism]

It gives more as long as the enemies don't have much hp

cuz it status. roar like bane mod. for status it roar*roar damage in %

[craggy niche]

Ive tried it and it sucks ass lol

[severe bough]

Gyre is probably one of the best Platformers or at least in the top range

[eternal prism]

honestly no
buff from 3... useless?

this cc... so low and additive with mods

but she have good crowd control

[craggy niche]

Have you not tried conductive?

[craggy niche]

Just not friendly is all im saying, its stressful taking her that high lol

[eternal prism]

which gives the status if you shoot through the spheres?

[eternal prism]

vazarin🐟

[craggy niche]

And an additional projectile

And can stack 3 times

[eternal prism]

I don't know how often I've shot through spheres for it to be even potentially good

[craggy niche]

Yeah thats why you cast them lol its damage on demand

Also if you use electric shards like you should be the spheres prime everything for increased ability damage

[eternal prism]

I dont need it because gyre can handle it without it. I'd rather use two parkours and one cast.

2 str for pillage

[eternal prism]

It's easier to use them to control and clear low-level enemies
anyway, at one point you will no longer have enough damage

and it will just turn into a crowd control skill

[acoustic bluff]

Every frame is a level cap friendly
Frame

Anyone telling you otherwise is wrong

[eternal prism]

Secret Inaros, when shield-removing arcana didn't exist, was also playable there

🐟

[acoustic bluff]

There’s people that have brought used whatever frame to level cap 30+ times

This has been done for every frame so I refuse to believe there’s not level cap friendly frames

[eternal prism]

Well, it used to be difficult on frames without shields

now it also ez

[acoustic bluff]

You could just do evade

There’s defo easier/harder frames to do but all of them can sustain themselves now

And even before just with more help obviously

[eternal prism]

I'm talking about before, when you just had to play with a build with crutches.

Previously, any frame without a shield would get one-shot and it was almost impossible
but there were a couple of moments when it was possible to abuse something

[acoustic bluff]

Yeah people still had 30+ level caps done with these frames

There was some bug before

But evade was literally the tech

Before that I can’t remember what it was

Probably some weird tech to keep them alive

[eternal prism]

In any case, it was clearly not friendly, but it was possible

[acoustic bluff]

Ye

Was only really inaros tho lol

[eternal prism]

inaros meta frame

thats all

[craggy niche]

Its damage on demand when you have conductive because it procs electric status. Her whole kit synergizes really well lol especially when you start sprinkling augments and pillage in

Also the extra projectiles from conductive are further buffed by +ability damage as well

Either way gyre is aggressively mid with no or just one aug. Her augments are too powerful not to use them.

[undone dust]

only bummer is conductive is still bugged but that doesnt matter as much on status heavy weapons since you're dumping a metric shit ton of elec procs into enemies anyway

[craggy niche]

Hell even if you want better high level nuking with her 3/4 combo you can run coil recharge and cathode rather than conductive and cathode and have double the fun there albeit that playstyle is weird and it scares me lol

In that case you just subsume over her 1

[undone dust]

this is also a funny bug for coil

[craggy niche]

I love gyre so much lol shes my favorite frame. Thanks to conductive I haven't tried a frame that is better at being a hybrid wp/cc than her

Shes just a little squishy and thats fine

[craggy niche]

Yeah ive been thinking about doing coil on other frames. Like a coil on wisp would be hilarious if she had armor strip built in

[undone dust]

i mean shock motes give sol gate corro but thats about it
and youd have to run the aug for it to not be a slog to use

[craggy niche]

Yeah and youd have to subsume over something actually useful to put coil on

[undone dust]

truth nuke

[craggy niche]

But if there were some way to get strip on her other than that it would synergize insanely well with breach

Lightning and breaches everywhere 🤣

I suppose it might be worth trying on gyre if pillage wasn't almost mandatory for her

Secret forbidden gyre nuke tech

[craggy niche]

Im getting boar incarnon done tonight 😵‍💫

[stiff sapphire]

So I'm looking at a build on overframe for oraxia and the guide say use nourish for the helminth but how do nourish work with her

[eternal prism]

like with another frame

with nourish

[craggy niche]

I almost got oraxia fully assembled

[earnest saddle]

everyone uses nourish on everything

as long as you have at least one other squad member, chances are you'll have a nourish active

[eternal prism]

Nobody uses it on a regular basis. And oraxie simply has nothing else to use

also mirage

[craggy niche]

Affinity bonus is nice for like defense missions and thats it.

Otherwise everyone's main objective is to frag so Noone sticks together lol

[upper topaz]

hi everybody 🙂 quick question, does galv elementalist works on hounds weapon ?

[timid violet]

Are the stalker weapons any good?

[eternal prism]

should but cant get stacks

[timid violet]

I just got hate and i had dread acumulating dust

[eternal prism]

all stalker weapons good

cuz it have incarnons for all

except broken war and war

just save it if u newbie

u can not craft it yet

[upper topaz]

Ty 😉

[timid violet]

Allready crafring hate tho

[eternal prism]

then just not sell it

save it

[solemn kiln]

which should i switch out arcane impetus or molt augumented for arcane energize?

[eternal prism]

for who

[solemn kiln]

dante

[eternal prism]

why u need empetus in dante?

[solemn kiln]

been using his book and a nautilis with verglas for alot of status

[eternal prism]

then no think it very good idea

nautilus can give u health sphere

use equilibrium

if u want energy sustain

[solemn kiln]

oh now i remember i was gonna change molt to hot shot and put flare arcane on my exalted

[craggy niche]

I think right now my favorite is dethcube cuz he makes energy drought happen less on builds thst use energize

[fierce lark]

your hoctua is missing crit

[solemn kiln]

chance or damage?

hmm i did plan to change augur pact and the rad mod

[fierce lark]

both

pact and isotope are usually things you put on primers

[solemn kiln]

primers?

[fierce lark]

weapons whose sole existence is to give status effects

augur pact is garbage as a mod on a weapon that wants to deal damage

but it's nice utility to save a mod slot on warframes that shield gate

so it's good on primers/companion primers

isotope is worse than lethal torrent, so it's not typically run on secondaries for damage

and the extra element bogs down weightings and reduces the amount of heat/elec/viral procs you want

[solemn kiln]

huh i didnt know that

[fierce lark]

unless the crit stats are abysmally bad, you want to run crit usually

and noctua has very high base cc

[solemn kiln]

i switched those 2 out

loss of fire rate sucks but im doing more damage

[fierce lark]

on a related note to earlier, run 90 heat instead of 60

modded elemental dmg factors into the matching elemental proc so bigger number = higher dot ticks

[solemn kiln]

i dont need the status chance?

[fierce lark]

you're getting enough from the other two mods, and ideally you'd have galvanized shot instead of hornet strike for another 80%

[solemn kiln]

i replaced augur and rad mod with hollow point and creeping bullseye

i was just going to get shot to i just didnt know where to put it

[fierce lark]

over hornet strike

does the same thing but usually better

[fierce lark]

magnetic might as the crit damage mod if you don't have primed target cracker

unlike radiation, magnetic is actually a useful status effect

[solemn kiln]

just need to run some arbit

or i would but i just put a forma in dante

[hexed lodge]

Sorry for stepping in but, your build with Dagath's subsume is fine, you only need 200% str and the 1st augment.
If you aren't killing them properly, gotta make sure to prime them with Wyrd Scythes before 2+1, if you still have questions you can ask them here
https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1429852785251455016

[solemn kiln]

should i put in coaction drift or power drift for dante? trying to think which would give more str

so i know galvinized mods proc of when i get hits and kills, should i put them on my sentinal weapon or will it not proc and use them?

[fierce lark]

if the sentinel is using a weapon with the exact same mods, it won't proc them but it will use them if you proc them

[solemn kiln]

so is it worth it to put them on?

[fierce lark]

well, if you're trying to do dps with the companion, the weapon you should be using is verglas prime and that takes rifle mods

[solemn kiln]

i have verglas prime

[fierce lark]

so galv mods won't work on them unless you stack galv chamber/aptitude yourself

[solemn kiln]

does it work off my using the secondary versions on my exalted?

[fierce lark]

no

they have to be the exact same galvanized mod

[solemn kiln]

damn but good to know if im not using dante and using a rifle mostly instead

[fierce lark]

and it goes without saying crosshair/scope never works because companions don't "aim"

[solemn kiln]

i dont use those any way

i find it hard to aim for that long continusly

unless im sniping

[fierce lark]

i had a conversation once where someone misread the mod completely and thought you had to be aiming for 9s straight to get the buff

[solemn kiln]

you dont?

x.x

[fierce lark]

separate the "crit chance when aiming" and the duration

[cursive peak]

You get the buff for 9s on headshot while aiming

[fierce lark]

it's just any time you get a headshot, whether you're aiming or not, you get a crit chance buff while aiming

[solemn kiln]

i hate de sometimes x.x

[craggy niche]

To be fair I thought that too lol

At one point

[fierce lark]

you were probably the first person i explained how it worked properly to

it came up once not long ago here with someone

[cursive peak]

Gotta read the wiki for just about everything. Strength caps, interactions, clarifications... one thing I actually agree with some youtubers on is DE needs to put everything in the wiki, in the codex

[solemn kiln]

and the game download size would prolly quadruple

[fierce lark]

to describe it properly, on any headshot, you get 120% (for galvanized) crit chance any time you're aiming for 9s. refreshable.

and then on headshot kill, you get the same buff at 40%, up to 5 stacks

which is not refreshable and each stack has its own timer

[cursive peak]

It's just text. That's kilabytes

[solemn kiln]

kilabytes add up

[cursive peak]

Right, but if you transposed all of it as text, that's like 12MB

[fierce lark]

but as long as your weapon can consistently kill with headshots, you're going to have galv scope stacked consistently, so if your playstyle already frequently involves you aiming whenever you're shooting things (as i often tend to do out of habit), then it's just about a 280-320% crit chance mod with no drawback

[solemn kiln]

i was just making a joke about how much info there is is all ;-;

[fierce lark]

so yeah, if you aim a lot while shooting anyway, you should def try galv scope/crosshair on some weapons

[cursive peak]

Oh, question of my own. Acuity on Plasmor? Can that thing even hit headshots?

[undone dust]

i also remember this because i was here laughing at them

[fierce lark]

it can but it's not nearly consistent enough for me to ever consider acuity

what'll happen is your projectile will hit the first enemy in the head and then hit a bunch of other enemies wherever it feels like because it bounces around

[cursive peak]

That's kind of what I figured. Trying to get my plasmor out of the 220k damage range I'm stuck at

[fierce lark]

show build?

[solemn kiln]

i hope they give us a new amprex it needs some sp love

[cursive peak]

Need a minute. On phone

[solemn kiln]

fun fact if you didnt know, dantes overshield works for edilon lures

[fierce lark]

r0 merciless is an immediate issue

[cursive peak]

Yeah, it's in progress

[fierce lark]

your biggest source of base damage is the arcane, which also has multiplicative scaling with galvanized savvy

get r5 asap, either merciless or deadhead, i prefer deadhead as it's easier to maintain

[undone dust]

no primed charged shell
explode NOW

[novel bear]

What’s the valence element?

[fierce lark]

beyond that, gas is bugged and doesn't scale properly after its afflicted enemy is dead

[spiral chasm]

u have a status build and want max raw dps tho

its kinda conflicting

[fierce lark]

im not sure what damage scaling it uses when its host is dead, i know my afflictions gara's gas clouds do upwards of 6mil after enemies are dead

also cannonade and point blank and no crit

there's def a lot of things to fix here

[solemn kiln]

since im running viral on my verglas should i switch out viral on my exalted for corrosion or something else?

[novel bear]

What exalted?

[solemn kiln]

noctua