builds-discussion

[solid delta]

he already have 6x

[wraith sinew]

oh but it instantly refilled his combo

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[quiet laurel]

arbis for plat alone also doesnt really suffice

you still need endo and credits for actual good plat income when you sell the galv mods at R10

unless you gamble sellable rivens of course

[fierce lark]

my last pub arbi was like 80 mins (which maybe early for you idk) but it was on stephano with a hydroid who kept tentacling one of the spawns and not actually killing anything

[quiet laurel]

80 mins on pub what the

[lean tendon]

I guess it depends on the mission

[fierce lark]

it happens

i have pub cascades go to cap sometimes

every now and then you run into endurance grindset gamers

[lean tendon]

But most of the time, I don't even get a decent amount of 30 mins runs

80 mins for a pub run is actually something I haven't had yet

[quiet laurel]

so you dont even roll tilesets?

2 hour level cap moment

[fierce lark]

im ngl i have no idea what that means

[lean tendon]

Rerolling the tileset to get a better map layout

[fierce lark]

my arbis experience is queue pub kill stuff collect VE leave when everyone else is ready

[quiet laurel]

the less possible exos you have in cascade the more exolizer spawns get skipped which drags the mission

[fierce lark]

oh for casc xd

nah

[quiet laurel]

but for arbis you can also roll depending on the map

[fierce lark]

the 5 or 6 times ive seen cap are usually around 1:20-1:30

[quiet laurel]

cinxia can have rain, light rain and no rain and for meta you can roll for no rain to increase fps so enemies spawn faster

[quiet laurel]

fissure or not

[fierce lark]

i only do fissures yes

[quiet laurel]

1:20 is normal times so you had good luck with the tilesets then

1:30 was probably 334 or 443, smth like that

[rough widget]

Hello everyone. I want to build Dante with mods and weapons. If you have any advices i ́m open and mention me to be simple.
Thank you

[fierce lark]

i notice some tiles go very long periods with no exolizers up lol

[quiet laurel]

exolizer skips moment

[fierce lark]

like 20-30s of just nothing

[quiet laurel]

to prevent that you roll hangar at the beginning so you at least have a 5xx tileset

which means less exolizer skips

but 533 can still be a pain

[wide verge]

real quick question. 177 or 147?

[mighty flare]

for general stuff? 147

[wide verge]

Alr ty

[slender vine]

I am like 1800h into the game and I still learn new things every day

The Hound activates Hot Shot allowing me to redcrit while using influence

[fierce lark]

anything that is triggered by abilities can also be triggered by companion abilities

except impetus doesn't gain stacks from abilities' statuses that come from manifold bond

other than the electricity status from magnetic shield break for some reason

always some spaghetti under the sauce

[fierce lark]

i dont even

[slender vine]

Yeah Venari wasnt triggering hot so I tried heat on the whip but losing influence felt meh

Then I noticed the hound percept triggering it, hurrah

[fierce lark]

thats cause venari herself is a companion and has no abilities, just attacks

if your hound has claws with modded viral heat mag radiation, synergized prospectus and momentous bond, you're getting hotshot, archon stretch, all of the elements for CO and it's bouncing around

flare too, cascadia flare stacks on all sources of heat, not just from the weapon it's on

[slender vine]

I thought percept mods count as abilities?

Well, I mean cat percept mods

[hollow plover]

is broken war worth investing high for sp?

[slender vine]

It takes like 1 or 2 formas to function, not the best but yeah can do SP

[hollow plover]

whats the best/ fun options

[slender vine]

Probably light attack spam

[nocturne heron]

whats a good noctua build?? (support and main dps) preferably high lvl content

[lean tendon]

Melee Influence

[wraith sinew]

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[slender vine]

Hold on I got you

[wraith sinew]

Thank me later

[fierce lark]

they do, but venari doesn't have any of those that im aware

[nocturne heron]

is that noctua support build or dps?

[fierce lark]

using command:attack does do an ability which can apply status effects modded on venari's claws but im not sure if that activates ability related things

[slender vine]

It kills lv 185 heavy gunners on its owm

[nocturne heron]

i mean thats ok but like eh not high lvl

[slender vine]

Toxin for Archon Continuity, and Blast for auto fire mode

[slender vine]

How high? Like Lv Cap?

[nocturne heron]

y eeaaaa

[nocturne heron]

blast for auto fire?

[slender vine]

Yeah, when you hace Word Warden and it triggers Blast it keeps auto firing without you shooting your weapon

[nocturne heron]

oo thats nice

[slender vine]

I will test in the sim

[slender vine]

TBH with you, IDK how good would that be at Lv cap, you'd be casting more than firing, thats why I pref Word Warden over having the actual Exhalted

[nocturne heron]

mhmm... i saw it work in lvl cap once but id k

[hollow plover]

damn son

ngl 2 formas in broken war kinda worth it, consistent 100k with CO proc and 12x combo at lvl 8

[nocturne heron]

"If the numbers aint hitting cap it aint worth crap 🗣️ 🔥 🗿 "

[eternal prism]

You can't even guess what I'm going to do with this fish🍴

[slender vine]

Using command attack did activate hot shot, while she has fire on her claws

But thats unreliable TBH xd

The Hound got me he instantly stacks 50

[fierce lark]

yeah the normal thing is to subsume venari anyways

khora really likes the infinite energy from lycaths that doesn't care about her 40 strength

[slender vine]

I was trying Sickening Pulse on her 4, but I will try Lycanth on her 3 and replace Equilibrium for the 4th Augment

[fierce lark]

honestly lycaths is probably overkill

it's more about being one of the only subsumes that isn't affected by her having negative strength

silence is great too

[zenith mauve]

is this build any good?

[eternal prism]

crit laetum better

[zenith mauve]

thats the build where u focus on headshots right?

[slender vine]

I use Blind Rage, but are you telling me it has no effect on her 1?

If so I will remove it

Also does STR effect her 4th?

[eternal prism]

2133

[eternal prism]

nope

[fierce lark]

you use accumulating whipclaw right?

[slender vine]

Yeah I do

[thorn oak]

why elemtalist

[eternal prism]

uksus

tauron arcana

[fierce lark]

the damage it gives to whipclaw is additive with ability strength

and since whipclaw is the only ability she has where you care about the ability strength, running the augment makes the stat fairly redundant unless you're using a strength-scaling subsume like roar nourish or shock

[zenith mauve]

thanks :)

[fierce lark]

so khora typically wants to run overextended and optionally cunning drift to sit near 200% range, and put the rest of the mods on shieldgating and energy econ

since whipclaw's range caps at 200% and too much range will make strangledome keep enemies out of looting range

[wraith sinew]

bro xoris actually goated

[slender vine]

Hold on, I have max range of 280%
Whipclaw Radius doeant go above 10 but the range goes up to 28m

[eternal prism]

crit falcor

[wraith sinew]

how do i unlock plains of eidolon? do i just do a bounty

sp btw

[eternal prism]

go cetus

[wraith sinew]

mm

[eternal prism]

and go in BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG door

[wraith sinew]

i did

i did

[eternal prism]

back in cetus

should fine

[wraith sinew]

ill try again

is this meta?

[fierce lark]

mm yeah okay, whipclaw is a little weird

[eternal prism]

no meta in warframe
meta it what u like and build

u can use what u want

[fierce lark]

the radius is capped at 200% range but extendable with melee range mods

i dont think the range of the hit itself has a cap but i believe is not affected by melee range

[wraith sinew]

yay

yo i got this

[eternal prism]

🍴

[wraith sinew]

i went in and out of the door and its still not unlocked

[slender vine]

Oh yeah I use Primed Reach and Spring Blade for a lil bit more, I will check the wiki for anything I am missing

[slender matrix]

Anyone want to drop a Saryn build with up to 5 forms? Good afternoon, by the way.

[fierce lark]

this is what i run for looting lol

[slender vine]

I was just cooking up a murder kitty build

I took inspiration from MCGamer video about focusing on the 2 pets, which works, then I pivoted into hybrid build with her whipclaw

[fierce lark]

if i were to build non-looting dps khora id probably do it like this

[eternal prism]

try then do here any mission. idk why it not unlock for u

bugframe

When I first opened everything, I just enter and back

[slender vine]

Check this out lol

I am pretty satisfied so far

[fierce lark]

my ears

[eternal prism]

u hate sounds when enemy die?

[fierce lark]

when 20 babaus die at once it is quite loud yes

[wraith sinew]

Bruh I did a whole bounty and it’s still not unlocking

[eternal prism]

try relog in game atleast...

[lean tendon]

What are you trying to unlock?

[wraith sinew]

Trying to get the star chart node for plains of eidolon but after doing a bounty it’s still not unlocked

[lean tendon]

That's weird

[deep grotto]

Have you done Saya’s visions?

[wraith sinew]

Yes, this is steel path

[deep grotto]

Oh

Weird

Usually that’s available by default

[frosty fjord]

did steel path bounty?

[wraith sinew]

I did regular bounty on sp star chart

[frosty fjord]

has to be SP bounty specifically

[wraith sinew]

Oh k

[frosty fjord]

to unlock the node iirc

[wraith sinew]

Why do certain Cetus bounties give narmer weapon bps? It’s not narmer

[frosty fjord]

there's narmer bounties for both cetus and fortuna

[wraith sinew]

Is there any way I can go back to one of those narmer ships?

[karmic badger]

When are getting a mod to replace babau death noises with fuwamoco?

[fierce lark]

hopefully after i've passed

[drowsy herald]

Veil proxima mission

Is batter to make a slam magistar or a light attack magistar?

[charred gale]

Slam

Not even close

[wraith sinew]

xoris gaming

[eternal prism]

Slam

Magistar have low status chance and bad annimations

But with slam and cancel slam u can kill map faster

[lean tendon]

I think it is the Sancti Magistar that is good for light attack spam

[fierce lark]

pretty sure they're both slam weapons, sancti just has less damage in exchange for healing

[novel bear]

None of its evos are good for light attack

[lean tendon]

yeah but I have seen people use light/heavy attacks on Sancti

[fierce lark]

we also saw slam skana earlier

i still wouldn't do it

[novel bear]

It’s not going to be any better than normal magistar for light attacks

[fierce lark]

it technically is, faster attack animations

[lean tendon]

well the shared lifesteal heal is dope as well

[fierce lark]

at the end of the day though it's still a magistar

[novel bear]

Barely an improvement

Hammer is still a hammer

[slender vine]

So I did some void survival testing with Whip Khora

Sickening Pulse helps kill thougher units but the build felt uncomfortable due to energy issues

I tried Lycanth Hunt and it feels way better, I can spam Whip to my heart content, which leads to constant shield gating

[fierce lark]

yeah that sounds about right

[slender vine]

Also Hot Shot is totally unecessary but

Man simple
Red number make man happy

[undone dust]

hotshot whipclaw is silly

[eternal prism]

What could potentially give more... 1 extra combo or flat cc for magistar.. i can hit ! with flat crit. Without flat no

I'm too lazy to count right now, maybe someone has access to a calculator...

[slender vine]

It is silly and extra

But since the hound fully stacks it instantly, whi I found funny and neuron activating

[eternal prism]

I want to add this as an aura or arcana for warframe (flat/extra combo)

[fierce lark]

hotshot kinda sucks on melees

crit chance is one of the most bloated stats on melee weapons

heavy spam builds get 440% from sac steel, and then 12x combo builds get 550% from galv steel + blood rush

[zenith mauve]

hi guys, anyone with a good mesa prime build? :)

[eternal prism]

Mesa witout hotshot good mesa

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1147966476079345674.gif?size=48&name=fishierotate&quality=lossless

[zenith mauve]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/980573728377307168/1022412713730785370/image1.gif

[eternal prism]

You can try something similar, but I'm not exactly sure about the build for mesa
For regulators outburst

And for mesa 1 acrana fire rate

[zenith mauve]

thanks both of you :) that should help a lot

[fierce lark]

if you dont own hotshot augmented is fine, if you dont have fortifier cascadia flare is also fine but you need some survivability on the frame like circumvent or adaptation

[zenith mauve]

yeaa i’ve noticed at higher lvls that i die really fast

[fierce lark]

outburst is technically best for dps but again, no fortifier = need some survivability elsewhere

if you dont have primed convulsion mod viral heat on regulators and use roar instead of nourish

pretend archon continuity is primed bc i clicked the wrong one 💀

[eternal prism]

I'm not entirely sure hotshot works well on mesa, given that it needs to be maintained and the pistols have a low status chance.
In pistol u have 6 statuses
It's a whole quest to maintain hotshot

[fierce lark]

in my experience mesa has no issues keeping hotshot at 50

[eternal prism]

During testing, I rarely saw more than 3 status

More often than not, they simply died faster

[slender vine]

Use Secondary Fortifier, if you feel its not enough add Muzzle Flash, thats how I stay alive on Mesa

Also I recommand Bright Bonnet as a subsume, unlimited energy $$$

[novel bear]

Mesa only has trouble keeping hotshot up if enemy density is very low

Her fire rate is so high that low status doesn’t matter

[midnight horizon]

What does muzzle flash do?

[wise kettle]

What's ur pref on nami solo, crit or status or both if you do that wrathful advance stat build (im working on that)

[novel bear]

Blinds enemies every eight? kills

[fierce lark]

8 sounds right

[midnight horizon]

Oh

[fierce lark]

but if you use muzzle flash, you have to drop narrow minded and add some range

muzzle flash doesn't really seem that useful tbh, the range is kinda low

even with stretch it's only like 18m, idk if that's 18m around you or around the target

but if it's around you it's pretty limited, not surrounded by enemies overly often

[slender vine]

Blinds ennemies, in other words survivability through CC

[slender vine]

Muzzle Flash and Fortifier solved survivability issues for me personally

[midnight horizon]

Nice, never gonna use it though ask don't use Meza that much

[fierce lark]

i would expect that to be fortifier on its own

15k overguard every time you see an eximus should hard carry survivability

considering circumvent is only 10k and it does the job up to at least lvl ~1k

[slender vine]

Circumvent is cool but what are you giving up for it? Hot Shot or Velocity?

[fierce lark]

(not on mesa)

just in general

[slender vine]

Also an extra layer of survivability never hurts, thus Muzzle Flash

[fierce lark]

i dont even own fortifier, i use adaptation + archon vit

i'll fix it one day

[slender vine]

Its probably fine if you dont do any hard content with her

For me tho, Mesa is unplayable without Fortifier xD

[late hemlock]

Muzzle flash makes you care about range (and sac a mod slot) so personally id rather not, fortifier feels more than enough anyways tbh

[grim quartz]

Does anyone have any weapon recommendations for weapons that work well with garuda

[late hemlock]

She does kinda well with anything just from her passive existing and 4 on top is a nice buff

the best weapon is no weapon just throw balls

[grim quartz]

I see

Thank you

[abstract axle]

why does this community rate wisp so highly? She's so mediocre.

[craggy niche]

her passive is objectively the best passive in the game, she buffs weapons, supports team, has aoe,

[abstract axle]

she doesn't even have the best invisibility passive in the game. Her buffs are weak, and her ability damage is low, with her best damage ability being injectable

oraxia gets unbreakable invis on wall latch

wisp can only use melees in the air to keep stealth

[craggy niche]

there's a thing called hush

and airborne is definitely better than fuggin wall latch lmfao what are you on bro

[near vortex]

wisp also is a really good melee platform

[abstract axle]

check the wiki- silencing weapons doesn't keep stealth. and while I agree airborne is better, oraxia gets to keep hers for 8 seconds

[near vortex]

contagion Zaw, anyone?

wisp can't shoot guns with her invis
which is why she has her 2

[craggy niche]

wisps isn't just to be invisible tho, it's for survival

[near vortex]

yeah Wisp needs minimal survival investment

especially for something like Zaw platform

[abstract axle]

while I do love contagion, calling her a strong melee frame is insane cope. She has just a 20% attack speed buff

[near vortex]

breach surge is so busted too

[abstract axle]

breach surge is busted, but not on her

[near vortex]

Her second ability and her passive are plenty to keep her alive

[abstract axle]

she doesn't have any way to abuse it

[near vortex]

Spec a lot of strength for the big motes

Innate invis is pretty nice too
Crepuscular stonks

[abstract axle]

not dying is such a low bar in this game. so many frames don't die and offer more

[craggy niche]

it scales with strength and buffs your entire team, plus has 0 energy investment for a theoretically infinite time

[near vortex]

wisp is also commonly used in the most meta farms in the game

she's used in meta Arbi and I think usable for aya

[mighty flare]

she gets invis & invulnerability from her 2, not just her passive gives invis

[craggy niche]

also button tap invul from 2 plus distraction mechanics and movement speed lol

she's a beast

and she thicc

joking mods if you're watching

😵‍💫

[near vortex]

she also has way higher coverage on her breach surge than most other frames will, so if she's in a squad with them they can abuse it without using their helminth

her 4 is pretty ass without using the augment

Luckily helminth exists

[abstract axle]

breach surge isn't super strong unless you have someway to abuse it

[craggy niche]

from what i've seen her 4 is still fairly ass with augment

[near vortex]

again
Contagion Zaw or glaives

Fantastic breach surge abuser weapons

Especially in conjunction with eclipse

[craggy niche]

like all the influence slop or anything else ? lol

shotguns

[abstract axle]

nah lol, like buffs that affect the sparks

i.e, frost augment, plunder, mag

[craggy niche]

the sparks are strong as hell. those scale with strength too

[near vortex]

wisp can subsume Eclipse on a Zaw build

which triple dips sparks

because Zaw double dips

[craggy niche]

have you ever even played wisp? or are you just judging from a external/wiki deep dive perspective?

not being confrontational just genuinely curious lol

because most people that have actually built her out love her

[abstract axle]

I have lol, i'm lr2, shes like nidus tier, she stays alive and doesn't offer much else. I don't understand the hype

[near vortex]

Nidus slander in the big 26 is crazy

Link my beloved

[abstract axle]

hottest take, you should subsume over link rn

[craggy niche]

i strongly disagree lol. she just brings alot to the table. most frames are gimmicky or one path only type shit. wisp has so much with her base kit that you don't really need anything else

[near vortex]

With Persistence? Absolutely not

[fierce lark]

being lr2 is a statement of "i have leveled enough items to be lr2", 0 indication of what you've actually played and in what content

[near vortex]

I wanted to say this but didn't know how to phrase it

[abstract axle]

absolutely yes, you need the other 3, and you can just chain revives

[fierce lark]

i have at least 15 different prime frames that are level 30 which i have yet to touch beyond that

means nothing

[near vortex]

Or you can have 30 seconds of immunity to death and not need stacks once you have enough

Furis my beloved

[craggy niche]

she can do defense, offense, endurance, etc. she's a widely versatile frame with a crazy well balanced amount of things going on in her kit. her 4 is her only objectively bad skill and that can even be made into a gimmick while still being effective at other things or can be subsumed over with literally whatever you feel like trying

[grim quartz]

Does anyone have a good lavos prime build aswell as weapon recommendations

[craggy niche]

her 4 would actually synergize really well with her 3 if 1 and 2 were ever even remotely resonable to subsume over

[near vortex]

There's a subsume over 2 for Roar pure caster build

[fierce lark]

wisp is not one of those frames, and i can confidently say that it is very difficult to die on wisp even if you colossally screw up and get shot repeatedly because you aren't in 2 constantly

you probably wouldn't see a wisp in meta farms if volt could stack his buff, buuuuut he can't, so adding a wisp is cool, and with high strength the hp and hp/s from hp motes can help keep people alive even at ETA levels no matter how bad their personal survivability is

wisp is very very valuable

[abstract axle]

she has a lot of tiny irrelevant things in her kit. I'm not saying shes bad, but her entire base kit adds less damage than a subsume roar

[near vortex]

Have to be airborne though

[near vortex]

Say that again?

[abstract axle]

mediocre != bad

I think shes mediocre

[grim quartz]

Does anyone have a good lavos prime build aswell as weapon recommendations

[craggy niche]

this is the worst take lol

this is the case with virtually any skill in the entire game because roar is so incredibly overpowered

which is why i don't run it on anything. shit's boring and needs to get the nerf hammer. people cope that xata's and eclipse would be next but like they aren't even close to the output that roar has

[near vortex]

Well...
Xatas has some JANKY crap

[abstract axle]

any single skill, certainly, but kit? no. most frames offer more damage than roar, even when double dipped

[fierce lark]

okay but here's the thing

who cares about damage

we do enough damage

we don't need more damage

[abstract axle]

with xatas, you can make azimas top stack enervate indefinitely, build 6k crit chance, shoot a person and get the overflow number, but it still won't kill

[near vortex]

wisp doesn't deal damage MFs when the build is good:

[fierce lark]

wisp gives us things we can't get elsewhere

movement, healing, fire rate so we can put out the damage faster

doesn't matter if your ogris does 2x the enemy's hp or 20x

it does matter if you can get shots out 2x faster to wipe the map faster

[near vortex]

Xatas makes Jade Glory kill level cap Thraxs at a reasonable TTK

[craggy niche]

well i mean with just a melee weapon and no conditionals up a well built wisp does 100 percent more dps than something that doesn't have a mote lol so saying her base kit doesn't make her do damage his a hilariously bad take

[near vortex]

It also makes Angstrum a great Thrax killer

[craggy niche]

i put xata's on my jade not because i know what i'm doing but because it takes less energy than the other options

🤣

[abstract axle]

hold on, xatas does funny things with glory? tell me more.

[fierce lark]

it's not "the community" determining wisp is good (but they do think that)

it's also people who've developed and made optimized farming comps that have determined wisp is a top 4 frame out of the entire roster for these group farms

[craggy niche]

on the subject of xata does the extra projectile nonsense with xata's synergize with Vadarya?

[near vortex]

Mostly the damage vulnerability Thrax have vs Glory plus Xatas just being as strong as it is, makes Jade Glory actually a good DPS for both trash and Thrax up to cap

[craggy niche]

jade is outstanding even without enervate bug

[near vortex]

Xatas is a weird ability, I need to read its wiki again

[grim quartz]

Does anyone have a good lavos prime build aswell as weapon recommendations i would greatly appreciate it

[near vortex]

Also enables blast shenanigans

[craggy niche]

i was up to 6000 on circuit the other day with jade and the only thing i was having issues with was passive gating

[near vortex]

That's on circuit

Decrees make a lot of things good

[craggy niche]

i hadn't used my decrees lmao

i know that's stupid but sometimes i just forget about them

[near vortex]

Lemme go find the thread on Xatas jade

[abstract axle]

wisp being for arbis is for very specific tech of buffing bellicose, no? other than that shes just the roar carrier in the stack, plus the attack speed

[craggy niche]

plus you know, the damage output you said wasn't there lmao

[mighty flare]

do you like using his abilities or just want a platformer? there's lots of good weapons on lavos: cedo, grimoire, epitaph, zaws, syam, corufell, slam weapons, gunblades, etc

[near vortex]

Attack speed plus stacking Bellicose is the exact reason she's there

[grim quartz]

I like using his abilities though when i was leveling him up they kinda felt weak

[craggy niche]

i use bellicose on my wisp and it slaps

biumbral superiority

[mighty flare]

that's because only his 4 deals damage, everything else is support/utility. But you need to stack statuses for his 4 to deal large numbers with his 1/3 or weapons.
here's what i run for as a "caster"

[grim quartz]

Okay thank you

[craggy niche]

okay so does vadarya register the extra void hit from your weapons from xata's as a additional projectile?

[drowsy herald]

Yeah i have a sancti with the aerial attack stance mod and it's very fast

[drowsy herald]

You got a build for its slam attack?

[novel bear]

Primed fever strike, double sacs/ppp and galv steel, seismic wave, organ shatter, galv reflex, and the last two are flex slots, could go for blood rush to benefit from high initial combo, corrupt charge for more initial combo, gladiator might for cc and cd, focus radon for faster combo regen
Arcane would be exposure

[drowsy herald]

Thanks. I was just struggling with the initial combo. Gonna need to get some of those mods

[unkempt jay]

Uhh what stats should I look for Braton? Just Cdmg and Crate?

[karmic badger]

Yeah the standard stuff of cd, cc, multishot

[unkempt jay]

Thanks

Old one is better right?

[buoyant patio]

Yeah.

CD + MS is a pretty good roll for Braton Incarnon.

Obviously you could get better, but it's slottable as it is.

[craggy niche]

i'm tryna make a concentrated arrow ivara and boutta pull my hair out

basically all the stats are important to the build. i tried it with 0d out effeciency and it was just awful cuz prowl was too hungry and the shots took way too much energy

[slender vine]

Top 3 shittiest Warframe opinions of all time

[craggy niche]

maybe i'll try this

this is my artemis for her but not set in stone on this yet either

internal bleeding is for the forced impact status proc from the explosion

[slender vine]

"her ability damage is low"
Lol, LMAO even

She can be played as a pure caster

[slender vine]

This is like objectively wrong, not even an opinion at this point

She offers alot, I kinda wanna type it out for you but you already made up your mind

[grim olive]

What's the most Hp you can get on wisp while solo

I got like 2200 with Bellicose, Crespucular, brightbonnet+arbucep subsume but lacking archon shards

[slender vine]

You can add blessing if you want

[abstract axle]

I mean, how far are you willing to go? blessing grants 1200, and every source of strength matters, so if you are willing to nidus spectre, brightbonnet, all strength mods, you can lever that appreciably

[grim olive]

Nidus specter sounds nice but I'm not touching infested salvage
Gotta wait for Circuit :(

[abstract axle]

I mean, I remain unconvinced. I don't value granting hp much at all, and at that point you are looking at a 20/30 scaling attack rate buff and breach surge for damage tools. That aint enough to be top tier in this game.

[slender vine]

What are some frames you consider top tier?

[abstract axle]

Nokko, Octavia, Xaku, dante, saryn

all frames that do an insane amount of work for you

[grim olive]

Breach Surge gets nutty with Crespuscular right? Which can be activated easily with her 2

Ngl I wanna try a Null Star wisp with Arachne/Crespuscular now
If the breach surge is affected by the +3x crit dmg

[slender vine]

What makes Saryn top tier? The ONLY thing she does is gun buffing, terrible survivability and her apore rampup has issues, most overrated warframe in the game hands down

Nokko's only playstyle is caster, and while good at it, he is stationary and that limits his usage

Xaku is good at being a hands free murder machine, lacks survivability IMO but you can remedy that

And Dante is straight up the best in the game

[zenith mortar]

Is is there something i can replace overextended with on my mesa?

[quiet laurel]

Saryn is a top tier weapons buffer cause of how toxic lash works, her survivability is great if you dont have skill issues and her spores you just ignore
she isnt overrated

legit makes any weapon good

and she can use roar with toxic lash which is huge

[slender vine]

Her survivability is terrible my guy, you have to invest at least 3 mods in that

[novel bear]

Terrible survivability on saryn lol
No worse than on most other frames

[quiet laurel]

1 mod actually

[abstract axle]

nokko only being a caster is an irrelevant problem when his casting kills everything

[thorn oak]

what do you guys run for elements on braton incarnon

[novel bear]

Molt has no cast time, saryn is a great shieldgater

[quiet laurel]

is this guy just saying random shit or nah, I just read his interesting statement on saryn

lemme backread

[mighty flare]

Are you using her blind augment?

[abstract axle]

Also, I have a different opinion on saryn's survival. in that she should be a persistence frame now

[zenith mortar]

blind rage?

[quiet laurel]

saryn persistence ah hell nah

[novel bear]

Horrifying

[quiet laurel]

what is builds discussion on about at 3am

[novel bear]

Triumbral saryn is something

[abstract axle]

This build is perfect, you have infinite mana and you can't die, while sporting high strength. It trivializes levelcap.

[grim olive]

With triple umbral, any frame can be persistence </3

[abstract axle]

most*

[slender vine]

If Saryn didnt have terrible survivability people wouldnt resort to such bullshit like Umbral Persistence

[grim olive]

What are thr exceptions

[quiet laurel]

I have to ask, do you know shield gating exists?

[novel bear]

Most people don’t, because she’s very good at shield gating

Cat shields on saryn, augur mods on secondary

Cast molt when shields go down

[quiet laurel]

molt also drawing aggro and giving a parkour velocity buff helps a lot with survivability

like in what world is this bad survivability

[abstract axle]

for frames under 200 armor, umbrals don't really help and you need to find a different source of armor. Also, some frames don't have enough hp to get above 1k (1001 is absolute minimum acceptable health so you have two seconds). You can still shoehorn persist, but you won't get there with the umbrals

[modern herald]

Stalhta build using electricity?

[abstract axle]

also, the combo of persistence reconstruct hunter adrenaline (plus the optional but really useful blind rage) forms an incredible loop

[slender vine]

So Saryn has good survivability because she can use a mechanic every other warframe has access to?

[novel bear]

She’s better at it than most frames

[quiet laurel]

she is exceptionally good at it yes

[novel bear]

And shield gating is good survivability

Frames that can’t shield gate are generally considered worse for it

[slender vine]

Thats an opinion

[novel bear]

It’s a fact

[rare lichen]

molt also clears status effects

[quiet laurel]

one of the few frames I still active gate on

[quiet laurel]

its a fact really

cause you can argue for it really well

[abstract axle]

zero delay status cleanse ability is really nice for shield gating

[quiet laurel]

which dieofsanity did a few messages ago

[slender vine]

That's still an opinion and not a fact 😭

[quiet laurel]

make arguments against it then

[novel bear]

Molt is objectively in the top ten for shield gating abilities

[drowsy herald]

I wish there were more life steal mods for other guns

[novel bear]

Well of life

[grim olive]

Harrow

[midnight horizon]

Is she better than Vauban at CC

(don't.... Take it seriously, it's half serious and half joking)

[drowsy herald]

What's that

[grim olive]

Trinity's subsume

[midnight horizon]

Trinity's skill and subsume

[novel bear]

Acid shells nuking is pretty good cc, if you think about it

The crowd is controlled

[drowsy herald]

I need to get trinity the next time she is on orbit

[grim olive]

It's like Garuda's but it also has status cleanse and scales with your max hp and not current hp

[novel bear]

It’s way better than garuda’s

[drowsy herald]

I mean for healing on the spot there is uriel's subsume

But I want prolonged healing

[novel bear]

It does that

[midnight horizon]

Fair argument

Nuke is CC

I would agree despite my dislike against Nuking XDDD

[grim olive]

Well of Life is more prolonged ye but you need an enemy to stab it with

Also gives 1 free revive

[slender vine]

If Molt is the best for shield gating as you guys claim, how ccome it isnt THE subsume for survivability?

[novel bear]

It’s not the best

I said top ten

[slender vine]

Why do you see Omamori and Pillage used all the time, but never Molt?

[midnight horizon]

What Molt shield gates? Arcanes or Saryn's

[novel bear]

Molt is used pretty often

[midnight horizon]

Oh Saryn's

[slender vine]

On Saryn yeah..

[abstract axle]

omamori is overrated, but pillage is also an armor strip plus a large shield

[quiet laurel]

cause its weighing on whats worth, if a frame has a fast casting animation on an ability you can shield gate with that, even if its not as good as molt but subsuming molt would just be a waste cause you could subsume pillage or a dmg buffing ability which would give more worth

[craggy niche]

wait is sevagoth actually good lol

[grim olive]

Yeah?

[midnight horizon]

He is if you have good survivability he is the nuke God bc of his augmenta

[novel bear]

Omamori is better for persistence than shield gate, and still fails compared to well of life

[abstract axle]

ye, powerful genocide caster

[craggy niche]

i've had him for months and just kinda went meh cuz i couldn't figure out his kit lmao

[midnight horizon]

So I can use Omamori on Gauss?

[slender vine]

Lot of frame have shield gating as part of their rotations, blends in, thats what makes shield gating cool

[novel bear]

Gauss doesn’t need a survivability subsume though

[quiet laurel]

yes

[midnight horizon]

Fck, wrong frame

Inaros I mean XDDD

[novel bear]

Inaros has enough base kit healing that I wouldn’t bother

[midnight horizon]

Aight, fair point

What about Vauban, as I used Omamori on it

[slender vine]

Its not Saryns case tho, and even assuming shield gating solves her bad survivability, all she does is gun buffing, her spore cant ramp unless you are playing alone or sth

[craggy niche]

so sevagoths thing is just that he's a nuke with his 1 and 2?

[midnight horizon]

Ehhhhh most of the time yes

[quiet laurel]

I assume you dont know the math behind toxic lash and its interactions

[novel bear]

Omamori works, there’s just better subsumes

[quiet laurel]

and why its so busted

[drowsy herald]

I have uriel's subsume on inaros for missions where you're not guaranteed to get a lot of enemy spawns

[midnight horizon]

That's true hahaha

[midnight horizon]

Oh aight

[grim olive]

You can build for his Shadow, it's a less optimal playstyle but it works

[slender vine]

I dont know the math

[drowsy herald]

You can just heal any where and I like it

[midnight horizon]

Another option

Hahaha

[craggy niche]

do i just subsume over his shadow if i don't waqnt to do that?

[midnight horizon]

That's true

[abstract axle]

if you want to build for the shadow, you can keep basically everything except roar, inject brightbonnet, start the chain, swap into ghost mode, and then hop back and restart as needed

[abstract axle]

yes

[grim olive]

Yeah, usually roar which allows him to nuke with his 1 and 2

[craggy niche]

ughhhhh

this might be one case where i will put roar on something lol

i generally avoid roar like the plague

[drowsy herald]

I have rarely used roar since I got it

[abstract axle]

nah, if you think something is busted, you have to use it. Play rate is the only data DE responds to

[craggy niche]

it's just lazy, man. i hate it. lol

[midnight horizon]

Same

I use Nourish more in frames that I need

[drowsy herald]

My most used ability is probably remedium at this point because I have it as a heal on a lot of frames

[midnight horizon]

Mine probably would be Omamori hahaha

[abstract axle]

It's not lazy, it's best in show

[craggy niche]

i like xata's for a buffer because it's like 0 energy demand and for whatever reason all the frames i like are frikkin energy capacitors i g

[grim olive]

Wrathful Advance for mine (Kullervo main here)

[mighty flare]

no, her augment muzzle flash, it's the main reason you'd want high range on mesa

[drowsy herald]

I went through the pain of getting nourish for valkyr only to put remedium on her as well

[craggy niche]

tomato tomato. it's like basically always the anwer for everything but survivability and i don't like it

[quiet laurel]

so you have toxic lash right, it creates a separate damage instance with a DoT applied to it
and since for some reason toxic lash isnt counted as a dmg buffing ability you can subsume roar on top with it
roar is a universal faction dmg buff which applies several times to the toxic lash DoT

1. it applies to the initial weapons hit
2. applies again on the separate toxic lash hit
3. applies on the DoT dmg of toxic lash
   on top of that her 1st augment gives a corrosive dmg buff which also increases the dmg of toxic lash
   its stacking so much dmg multiple times that she easily is one of the top tier dmg buffers in the entire game
   add the fact that she has insanely comfy shield gating capabilities and movement speed buffs and she is top tier overall

[modern herald]

Thoughts? This is stalhta

[midnight horizon]

Easily soloed 2 of Grendel's mission using Revenant and Torid bc I'm that lazy to get Grendel XDDDD

[abstract axle]

yeah, but it's not like people don't experiment, they did and its just worse

[mighty flare]

electric can work, stahlta usually runs viral/heat

[midnight horizon]

Is there a problem for your frames that requires survivability?

[drowsy herald]

I shall have kullervo soon I got his systems and neuroptics today still need to grind for the main and chassis. I love how he looks

[craggy niche]

yes, my hatred of cata shield bug lmao

[midnight horizon]

Cata bug? What happened to Cata? Why is it bugged?

[mighty flare]

you dont need vigil armaments or galv scope, you'd want an element mod like heat

[craggy niche]

cata shields is bugged, which is the only reason it's good

[drowsy herald]

I used wisp and valkyr with a guy who had nova

[midnight horizon]

Yes but what kind of bugged, what is the Bug

[zenith mortar]

oops, i thought her range affected how far the regulators go

[craggy niche]

regardless of how much shield you regenerate it will always give you full gate

[abstract axle]

catalyzing shield is supposed to require a full shield reset to give you another shield reset. But it doesn't, so any augur mod will give you full resets

[modern herald]

Any specific suggestions?

[midnight horizon]

I'm a Soloist so I solo most content hahahah even grendel

[mighty flare]

its affects the fov reduction but thats not important

[grim olive]

Gl! 3hr grind in total. Busted as a caster frame as well

[quiet laurel]

its not the only reason its good, it would still be used even without the bug

the bug just makes it braindead

[drowsy herald]

I like solo stuff too that's why I got new loka for its healer specter

[midnight horizon]

Ahhhhhhhhh

[mighty flare]

i'd use hellfire and magnetic capacity, im guessing you have viral from somewhere else?

[craggy niche]

other options would suddenly become more appealing to use once it became a 2 mod option

[slender vine]

Oh I thought you meant damage formula..
I know Roar triple dips with Toxic Lash, and I am not denying her gun buffing capabilities, what I am saying is that isnt enough to make her top tier, there are a lot of frames capable of doing good dammage, Sevagoth for example but that alone doesnt make him top tier

[midnight horizon]

Tbh what's bad with that?

[modern herald]

The alt does viral

[abstract axle]

its not bad. It's insanely favorable

[midnight horizon]

Nice one

[mighty flare]

it does not

[modern herald]

Oh

OH

[slender vine]

I appreciate the fact you took time to explain that tho, kudos to you

[modern herald]

Whoops, radiation, my bad. I’m tired

[quiet laurel]

sevagoth is top tier?
like tier lists are always eh when it comes to talking about a frame in general but he legit does 100% true dmg nukes across whole tiles

[night laurel]

youre supposed to get scaling invulnerability (0.33 to 1.33) according to how much your shields regen before breaking again
cat shields is bugged to always give you full 1.33 invuln

[midnight horizon]

Oh... Guess some people just don't want shield gating

[grim olive]

Going on low level missions with Kullervo's Storm of Ukko augment is so insane as you press 1 skill to room nuke no LOS

Useful for base star chart Exterminate fissures

[drowsy herald]

I love health tanking

[slender vine]

But he has issues, like most frames, like Saryn has issues

Now that I think of it maybe only Dante has no issues

[abstract axle]

I mean, it just straight up doesn't work as intended. It says it requires a full shield reset. Whether this is a bad thing, irrelevant, it is a bugged interaction.

[slender vine]

Maybe Wisp too, but I am not too sure

[abstract axle]

octavia also has no issues

[quiet laurel]

every frame has issues, if there was a frame with no issues then that frame would be the only frame played

[slender vine]

Meta viability isnt the only factor why ppl play Warframes

[abstract axle]

not true, nokko has zero issues and is just busted af, and his play rates whatever

[mighty flare]

i would run this if you want a general purpose build

[grim olive]

Kullervo has no issues but his grind is mind numbing

[craggy niche]

his issue is he's ugly and weird

[slender vine]

Octavia for example is an exellent frame but she is barely played

[slender vine]

He is stationary, thats a big issue

[quiet laurel]

cause she is boring to many people which I consider an issue

[craggy niche]

citrine doesn't really have any major issues from what reading gets me

[modern herald]

Mhm

[grim olive]

Nvm I just remembered about his energy sustain

[drowsy herald]

I despise having to fight that worm that's what was keeping me from not getting him for so long

[midnight horizon]

Fair

I mean... I'm using Gauss Shield for shield gating

[slender vine]

Also his mini noko form is unreliable when you are on the go

[mighty flare]

if ur getting viral elsewhere, then you can drop the mods

[modern herald]

Prime cryo rounds > rime rounds?

[abstract axle]

hes not that stationary you can just spam mushrooms while moving

[mighty flare]

i believe so, yes, but if you can't afford then rime rounds is ok

[grim olive]

Caliban, I'd nominate for a frame with no issues

Great CC, great damage (with his augment), great energy sustain

[abstract axle]

only legitimate (minor issue), is his casting loop is ineffective against bosses, and he struggles when silenced

[quiet laurel]

caliban issue is having like no dmg buff so you rely on his summons

we can go back and forth with this tbh, not worth making arguments over

[grim olive]

Fair

[drowsy herald]

If i get caliban I'm putting silence on him then

[abstract axle]

but he really wants roar for his damage loop

[drowsy herald]

I hate roar even on the frames I have I forget to use it 😎

[novel bear]

I thought nourish was preferred for caliban?

[hot laurel]

we build for crit on the laetum right ??

[quiet laurel]

thought so too

[novel bear]

What about hildryn? Her main issue is that she’s bad against infested, but infested missions aren’t very popular for almost anything

[quiet laurel]

ye, much less chance of a crit buff tanking your dps and also scaling much higher

[abstract axle]

maybe, I see double dipping electric and went that route, but I also use a priming pet, so that can mess with things

[abstract axle]

with the bug, definitely

[drowsy herald]

I use the enervate with 400% buff laetum for bossed

I haven't tried non crit laetum for bosses yet

[craggy niche]

you just don't use hildryn for infested

[quiet laurel]

would say limited movement which can be fixed of course but its an issue that needs fixing while building her imo

[craggy niche]

just go over haven with molt

[novel bear]

True
She can fit parkour shards pretty easily though

[craggy niche]

dead serious lol

[drowsy herald]

I had a tau blue in my hildryn to give her some armor for infested but it wasn't that helpful

[novel bear]

Raksa kubrow is your best bet for infested hildryn, very good shield restore

[craggy niche]

until it die then you die

but i don't do pets. i like tazicor

tazicor viral primer just free yoself from those chains of building with viral

[modern herald]

Why no serration

[mighty flare]

merciless

[midnight horizon]

I nominate Inaros :333

[abstract axle]

inaros is the poster child for great survival, nothing else

[midnight horizon]

I saw it multiple times

Why is it "Bad" to fit Serration and Merciless

[midnight horizon]

He has good CC his 2 and 4 is good

[abstract axle]

they're additive with eachother, so diminishing returns

[grim olive]

it's better to do 3*3 = 9 than 3+3 = 6
If you stack too much +damage% mods and skimp out on other multipliers, you lose potential

[novel bear]

Stacking things that are additive to each other when you could be stacking multipliers instead

[midnight horizon]

Diminishing returns? Wdym?

[night laurel]

not diminishing returns to be pedantic, its lost opportunity cost

[night laurel]

like this

[grim olive]

for example, it's better to get +300% multishot and +300% damage, than get +600% damage

[novel bear]

1+2=3
3+2=5
3/1=3
5/3=1.7

[grim olive]

Unless if you run Amalgam Serration then it's always worth it for the 25% sprint speed

[novel bear]

Add the same amount, get less benefit

[craggy niche]

amalgam>everything else

[midnight horizon]

In my acceltra and Torid, it's usually Serration, multi shot and merciless

So... I'm doing it wrongly?

[craggy niche]

ninja do ninja stuff betterer

[craggy niche]

yes according to the hive you should be using banes with merciless for flat buff

[abstract axle]

you start at 100% weapon damage, serration adds 165, so it puts you to 265, a 165% increase. but merciless adds 360, so if you have merciless, you are at 460, so now serration puts you to 625, which is only 25 percent

[novel bear]

Most weapons will run a base damage mod and a base damage arcane, that’s fine

[abstract axle]

faction mods are multiplicative, but the real meat is that they double dip so much of the game

[abstract axle]

while you certainly can, its almost always suboptimal

[novel bear]

Usually it’s gunco instead of serration, but torid and acceltra have issues with gunco

[midnight horizon]

Not gonna use faction stuff bc how I need to switch it again for specific enemies

[abstract axle]

based

[midnight horizon]

So.... What does that mean?

[craggy niche]

that's what i say

[grim olive]

Galvanized Aplitude gives "additive base damage%" like serration sometimes
But other times, it doesn't and instead multiplies your damage by the bonus

[midnight horizon]

So it's.... "bad"

[grim olive]

That's Additive CO vs Mulitplicative CO
named after Condition Overload

[hushed owl]

how come i still get marked inactive when i was running around and killing the entire third round in arbitration defense

[novel bear]

Galvanized aptitude, galvanized shot, condition overload, and whatever the shotgun one is don’t affect aoe

They also don’t affect incarnon damage bonuses

[abstract axle]

its suboptimal, not bad

[midnight horizon]

Huh.... Well in Acceltra's case, I'm ok? Stacking it?

[craggy niche]

i run amalgam on everything so i can feel even more like a ninja

[midnight horizon]

Oh OK ok, fair

[grim olive]

If it kills, it kills
It's only bad when you're not killing

[mighty flare]

its not the worse, but if your goal is improving damage then there's usually better options
serration on weapons with merciless is okay if you have free slots and want to improve consistency for when you lose stacks

[midnight horizon]

True

[midnight horizon]

Ah I see I see

Guess I worry too much

[severe kettle]

Anyone got a good Nekros build to farm around 2,000 mutagen samples solo?

[midnight horizon]

Get despoil

[abstract axle]

keep in mind this game is cooked stats wise, you don't need to be anywhere close to optimal

[midnight horizon]

His Aug hahahha

[severe kettle]

I already have that

[lean tendon]

Despoil

[grim olive]

primarily Slash damage weapon AOE (minimal status)
Amalgam Ripkas
Or Ore Gaze
I have no idea which of the 3 gives more rates

[midnight horizon]

Aight aight

Thanks hahha

[velvet pulsar]

I wonder...
Do loot frames boost the odds of Universal Fallout further than 60%?

[dull arrow]

hey so this is my 2nd week of doing archimedeas, which frame would you guys suggest for this weeks? this is what I got for the rotations

[abstract axle]

no, fallout is seperate to the drop table

[novel bear]

All of them are good
Which one do you have built the most?

[velvet pulsar]

Aight

[grim olive]

Amalgam Ripkas is more time to kill so it's a bit worse I think?
Ore Gaze with augment does not give extra gore chance
Slash damage can give extra gore chance but it requires you to hit a specific part of the enemy body I think...

[abstract axle]

do you have any of the weapons built out? if not, stick build on wukong is probably gonna be your best bet in the damage department

[craggy niche]

wait what happens if you run crecendo with okina incarnon

is that just always ready to proc??

[abstract axle]

keep in mind, you don't need to use ripkas for the gore chance

[novel bear]

Whip build on khora is also good though

[lean tendon]

You just equip Ripkas for the mod. You can use your Primary/Secondary and you will still get the 100% gore chance.

[dull arrow]

for tigris i am just running something basic, i was thinking of trying the phage, havent touched it in like 4 years

[velvet pulsar]

No synergy.

[grim olive]

Oh my god, my blind has been blown
Thank you

[abstract axle]

considerably less so since she got murdered in the pseudo exalt rework

[dull arrow]

i was thinking of going for wukong since i had him build for his first ability

[craggy niche]

isn't okina's incarnon trigger off combo?

[velvet pulsar]

Yes, but you aren't opening them to finishers via the spectral dagger

[modern herald]

Would replacing hellfire with storm bringer ruin this

[novel bear]

And you build combo pretty easily with light attacks

[velvet pulsar]

It freezes them

[mighty flare]

no

[novel bear]

Crescendo would just be costing you a much more useful arcane

[velvet pulsar]

Basically melee careen

[craggy niche]

yeah yeah influence slop is a thing we know lol

[velvet pulsar]

U don't

[novel bear]

Or vortex, or exposure

[velvet pulsar]

Okina's best slot is melee careen

[mighty flare]

is not

[abstract axle]

DE nerfing afflictions and leaving influence untouched is the greatest modern injustice in warframe, besides maybe incarnon rivens

[velvet pulsar]

Everyone has been implanted with "influence slop" that u can't think of something else working well with it.

[novel bear]

Afflictions wasn’t even that good to begin with

[abstract axle]

certainly not better

[velvet pulsar]

Influence has the advantage of working against eximus when afflictions, vortex, careen don't.

Hell it even works against invulnerable enemies IIRC

[abstract axle]

Careen is also incredibly messed up by not working against status capped targets at all

[craggy niche]

this tatsu looks kinda cool

is really fast and large

[velvet pulsar]

All 3 status arcanes of each weapon were affected from last update.

Debilitate, Irradiate & Careen

[abstract axle]

yeah lol, and they are all bad for that reason

[velvet pulsar]

However, Debilitate & Careen might be able to bypass status cap weakness by a gimmick

[abstract axle]

though careen is good if you aren't using a melee

[velvet pulsar]

Debilitate can cope using Tau green shards to increase corrosive cap to 10 on status capped enemies

& Careen can cope if the animation lock bugs of Arcane Ice Storm also works for it.

Like using Gorgon's Metamorphic magazine on techrot babau can animation lock it.

It can probably trigger careen despite not applying any cold proc.

[craggy niche]

3m reach on tatsu seems kinda short for a really big sword

is this thing garbagio or is it useable i just built it cuz i had the parts aned i got rev in the oven

[abstract axle]

its fine

[night laurel]

iirc 2h nikanas are kinda garbagio rn

at least that was the common consensus even around when people had Pennant

stance is too slow and stiff

[velvet pulsar]

BTW even its bugs are mostly good that it favors it more.

[abstract axle]

Yeah, like as client, synergized prospectus procs and uses influence

[velvet pulsar]

And it hits through Limbo's rift

Which usually is a red flag to DE but they've stopped doing it for a while now.

[craggy niche]

wait chat is boar incarnon good for gyre?

[velvet pulsar]

Both incarnon & incarnoff.

[craggy niche]

yeah that looks pretty nutty i just looked up a video of it without gyre and that would straight up create a t storm around you lmao

[craggy niche]

which other incarnon should i get from this week?

gamma cor sounds cool but idk what that is

i don't have any of these

[velvet pulsar]

Gammacor is beam in incarnoff & tenet plinx alt fire in incarnon (sucks enemies and then explodes).

Synoid version can be acquired from Cephalon Suda. The synoid version can also increase your max energy mid-mission.

[slim flame]

is aeolak decent?

[velvet pulsar]

Angstrum incarnon is the other option I'll recommend.

[midnight horizon]

Hey AsT

Remember the video that someone posted about the "AFK Gauss"?

I need a suggestion

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah

[midnight horizon]

What can I replace to make to Insert Fast Deflection

[velvet pulsar]

It's a wrong build to begin with.

[midnight horizon]

Hmmm

[velvet pulsar]

Narrow minded + blind rage + overextended

At that point just use regular mods.

[midnight horizon]

More of a CC/Nuke intended frame yeah

[midnight horizon]

Oh

[night laurel]

narrow minded + overextended seems redundant

[midnight horizon]

Hmmm

I'll take note, I just need a slot to put the Fast Deflection

[slim flame]

what incarnon should i build gammacor or angstrum?

[midnight horizon]

Primer build imo

Viral Heat

[velvet pulsar]

Angstrum has more priority over Gammacor

[timid violet]

Nero

[midnight horizon]

So how should it be tho? Like in my build

[midnight horizon]

Go back to DMC, Virgil needs to spank you

[timid violet]

Nah, same slap i gave dante and we even

Tho i do need a hand with a build

[velvet pulsar]

Get rid of blind rage and put a regular strength mod.
Get rid of overextended and put a Fast Deflection there.
Get rid of narrow minded and use a regular duration mod

[midnight horizon]

You should be able to master everything Nero, your Nero!

(on serious note, what is it)

[timid violet]

Ma girl titania prime

I got one slot left and idk what to slap there

[velvet pulsar]

Get rid of molt augmented and put arcane aegis

[midnight horizon]

Oh, but wouldn't that delplete his stats, no? Any reason why?

[velvet pulsar]

You've already depleted the stats

[timid violet]

I got the 3 umbras, redirection and a few others to smooth things out

[midnight horizon]

Oh

How so?

[midnight horizon]

On Titania? Why? (I haven't use Titania that much so.... Yeah)

[velvet pulsar]

2 out of 3 corrupted mods are barely giving their advantage because you've put them against each other

[midnight horizon]

So it's basically sacrificing one of them

[timid violet]

I have 1 mod slot and idk what to add

I have good strenght and survival

[midnight horizon]

Show build so they can help

[velvet pulsar]

Gauss doesn't need high strength

His 4's stats scale with duration

[timid violet]

Cant rn, not on-lyne

[midnight horizon]

I see what you did there

Aight show us later

[midnight horizon]

Oh........ So 100% is basically needed only then

[velvet pulsar]

Strength is realistically only gonna affect thermal transfer, which already is a high value as base.

[timid violet]

Tho from what i heard other places my mod situacion is terrible

[midnight horizon]

And Kinetic Plating as I heard

[velvet pulsar]

Kinetic Plating gets removed in an aegis gauss build

[timid violet]

I have no special mods, only basic ones and the givaways from main quest like the free riven and the 5 umbras

[velvet pulsar]

It'll destroy your battery for stacking with Fast Deflection.

[midnight horizon]

Oh damn... Hmmm

[velvet pulsar]

So you'll not get advantage of Fast Deflection

[midnight horizon]

OK let's say we will ignore Fast Deflection

My build may work but it needs improvement for sure

What do I need to do with these

[violet silo]

oh hey AST I saw your comment on a yt vid lol
you're A Game Zone! right?

[velvet pulsar]

At that point I'm completely unfamiliar with whatever you're trying to do, so I can't help.

[velvet pulsar]

Yes.

[midnight horizon]

It's a CC intended frame

Dura > Range > Strength 100%

[velvet pulsar]

Yes

However, kinetic plating and thermal sunder nuke entirely changes the build and the playstyle

[violet silo]

not mandatory, since it isnt too hard to keep battery up, but builds like that are often already specialized into a certain category

so a subsume is gonna be helpful

[velvet pulsar]

Which I haven't experienced.

[violet silo]

neat

[velvet pulsar]

Although I have my comments scattered across several warframe vids.

[rugged steeple]

anyone help me with bounty farm in Deimos for reputation?

[midnight horizon]

Hmmmm

OK I'll try give some plans and I want to see what fits more for this CC intended

Removing Overextended - as it's focused more in and focused on Dura more

Removing Narrow - Making range to not suffer a lot which gives access to normal range mods

Which one is more "needed"

[midnight horizon]

#squad-recruitment

[velvet pulsar]

Getting more duration is important

[violet silo]

ig this one didn't have many others so I recognized it
and the pfp too

[tame storm]

Tomorrow i will be able to get the helminth segment

[midnight horizon]

So removing Overextended then

[tame storm]

Should i rank up my caliban in the meantime

[violet silo]

and the next day you'll be able to use a subsume

[midnight horizon]

So that would make it:

Dura - Strength - range

Oh wait no

It won't suffer for less strength from over extended

So a simple Intensify would work, and use 2 range mods

No?

[velvet pulsar]

U can

[midnight horizon]

Oh wait

No over extended means 100% strength already, so it's untouched, I can focus on Range now!!!

More range and more dura!!!!

Aight I got an idea now

Thanks AST!

[spark thorn]

Can anyone tell me good stats for a boar riven? Im looking to build it out and maybe spluge a lil on a good one

[violet silo]

multishot, crit stats are the obvious ones

punch through cuz beam

dmg, fire rate, heat

[spark thorn]

So like in terms of importance whats highest priority

Crits and MS?

I can only look for 3 things at a time

[violet silo]

crit dmg, crit chance, ms

neg recoil or impact

[craggy niche]

this is my gyre, i'm really happy with how she turned out

[violet silo]

thats what im TRYING to get
this game hates me tho
im at like 200-smth rolls by now

and the current one is STILL mid

[velvet pulsar]

I have a boar riven but not boar prime yet.

Maybe I'll try rolling it and get a god roll in single digit amounts of tries.

Afterall RNG kept giving great rivens.

[warped eagle]

Which one

[velvet pulsar]

Whichever farm is most horrible/u don't have/specific augment u can't get from your syndicate

[grim olive]

mesa is the most horrible

[night laurel]

chroma has you get saryn systems

no wait. mutalist alad coords r from invasions

mesa is worse

[grim olive]

You won't get Saryn systems from Chroma circuit tho

[night laurel]

OH right mb

[velvet pulsar]

Chroma circuit costs several other circuits

[grim olive]

Volt is easy, Ember is fine, Saryn is the worst but Arena is not bad bad

and Chroma is just from his quest, pretty easy

[velvet pulsar]

And once u get mesa, nav coordinates will become free helminth fodder

Mesa Subsume augment + Arcane Circumvent also helps survivability.

[novel bear]

Atlas needs a good archgun, which can be hard early game

[velvet pulsar]

Where did this suggestion suddenly come from?

Atlas and archgun combo?

[golden plover]

What is better dread or soma?

[novel bear]

For the circuit frame discussion

Getting atlas is through jordas

[velvet pulsar]

One day I'll do those side quests.

[novel bear]

With or without incarnons?

[velvet pulsar]

That shouldn't be a question

Dread is better in both cases unless I'm underestimating how powerful soma's bleeds are

[golden plover]

For m7 cus I'm planning to put blue potato on it

[midnight horizon]

CHROMA!!!! IMMA GET CHROMA NOW!!!

[velvet pulsar]

Also both dread & soma offer survivability.

[novel bear]

Dread’s probably the better option
Unless you don’t like bows

[velvet pulsar]

Dread augment can turn u invisible while soma incarnon can restore shields.

Dread's trigger is just multiple enemy hits while soma's trigger is bleed kill, which is worse.

[golden plover]

Aight

[novel bear]

That augment is going for like 50 plat though, and won’t be available again for a while

[velvet pulsar]

Unless this is a returning player who already has augment (which is very unlikely), yes.

[golden plover]

Very unlikely indeed

[sour gyro]

What shards should I be using on Nekros? I currently have 1 tau red for str, 1 tau amber for casting, and 1 tau purple for equil. Idk what the other 2 should be, maybe another amber for starting energy?

[craggy niche]

mesa is probably the best out of the 3 for entry level steel path/late normal star chart

[warped eagle]

Thanks

[lean tendon]

If you use Nourish, you can completely drop [Equilibrium] and put 1 Tauforged Violet Archon Shard instead

oh nvm you already have 1 Tauforge Violet, you put purple so I didn't see it immediately

[sour gyro]

Should I put another one for 60%?

[lean tendon]

I would just put parkour velocity for more movement, or armor

[lean tendon]

Do you use Nourish?

[sour gyro]

Yeah I have nourish on config 1

[lean tendon]

then no need

1 Violet is enough as long as you have nourish

[sour gyro]

I have blind rage and umbral intensify, I might do armor and duration

[lean tendon]

I personally do 1 Tau Violet Energy, 2 Tau Yellow Parkour Velocity, 1 Tau Yellow Casting Speed

the last one can just be another yellow casting speed or anything you want really

[normal folio]

Is Boltor better or Thornbak for volt?

[sour gyro]

I'll take that into consideration, tyy

[lean tendon]

Early game, I prefer Thornbak because it is hitscan. But if you are gonna heavily invest then Boltor because it has an incarnon adapter.

But honestly I wouldn't invest to regular Boltor and Thornbak very early on (Orokin Catalyst + Forma). They do well enough in the early game so long as you put some mods. By the time you reach some of the later story quests, you will get better weapons with pre-installed Orokin Catalyst.

[velvet pulsar]

BTW you've already had sufficient info beforehand:

https://youtu.be/CkOQd_xgKrA?si=bDSVl0G88px0VfHk

You asked my Dual Toxocyst build after watching this video. It already shows my name on it.

[lean tendon]

Like the GOAT bow Nataruk

[cobalt smelt]

which one should i choose

[velvet pulsar]

CC

[violet silo]

thats how I recognized the channel lol

was just making sure I was right

[normal folio]

What weapon do you suggest I get?

Or grind for

[lean tendon]

Just stick to Thornbak and then do your story quests. They give weapons that is far better + safe to invest.

[velvet pulsar]

Are you allied with Arbiters of Hexis?

You can get Telos Boltor from them.

That one is worth investing.

[night laurel]

vs prime?

[velvet pulsar]

Yup

Telos gets more crit

[night laurel]

damn, i gotta check that out

[velvet pulsar]

Prime gets more status

However telos also gets more CD

So that's 2 stats vs 1

(ignoring most of the other stat differences)

Too bad there's no intermediate boar variant.

I gotta wait for prime.

[lean tendon]

Xoris is amazing, Nataruk is the GOAT, Broken War is great, Grimoire is arguably one of the best utility secondary weapons available and there are other weapons that you get for free just by doing your Codex Quests

Kuva/Tenet Lich weapons are also an option if you want to grind for it

There are great weapons available in the Dojo as well

[velvet pulsar]

Grimoire is also a self revive weapon.

[normal folio]

Can I upgrade my weapon's capacity by increasing it's rank?

[fierce lark]

yes, up to 30

if you add an orokin catalyst it will double

[normal folio]

I see, thanks ff

[lean tendon]

Upgrading the stance will increase the capacity by 14 if maxed out. Installing an Orokin Catalyst will increase the capacity by 30. You can reduce the capacity of mods to half by using Forma and putting the correct polarity for your mods.

[fierce lark]

oh yeah upgrade the stance

[lean tendon]

For now, I suggest upgrading Flailing Branch to level 3 but I don't recommend putting an Orokin Catalyst nor Forma on a MK1 Bo

[normal folio]

Last question is the heat sword better than mk1 bo?

[lean tendon]

I would say so

Later on you will get Xoris and Broken War which are both upgrades and will also be good for steel path difficulty

[weak jasper]

Kitgun question. Is rattleguts generally good for a secondary?

[serene plume]

if im building a lich weapon, is it worth using a catalyst if i gotta 5 forma it for mastery anyways

[lean tendon]

yes since even 5 forma isn't enough to put all the good mods

I would not put one if you don't plan on using it though

[opal frost]

yes becuase even with 5 forms u would keep this variant over any of the lower quality ones

its like would u rather have regular zarr or kuva zarr

u would destroy the regular zarr and keep the kuva zarr

[serene plume]

good enough coda synase build ig

[opal frost]

ill sell u a synapse riven

[normal folio]

Should I craft it or nah

[weak jasper]

I mean aren't you generally supposed to catalyst every weapon you're planning on actually using?

[lean tendon]

It's good for mastery rank fodder but that's it honestly

[opal frost]

yeah ill sell u one for cheap or u can trade me prime parts for a synapse riven i have

[dense belfry]

i want abiltiy range, a lot
all i have is stretch
any way i could possible get better ones (minus steel path cuz im still grinding that)

[lean tendon]

yeah you will put a potato on any weapons you want to use

[normal folio]

Idk what the hell to do with these blue prints

[opal frost]

potatoes are yummy

[serene plume]

i mean, i figured id randomly need them for archemedias

[lean tendon]

you can just not craft them

[opal frost]

if u want u should grind for the stropha a really good weapon

like really really good

most gunblades are op

im ngl

[normal folio]

Can I sell it for credits?

[normal folio]

Well I use volt

[opal frost]

do you not plan on getting them for mastery rank

[lean tendon]

you can in the inventory but be very careful on what you sell

[serene plume]

ngl man id probably only use the synapse on the rarest occasion, like for a random archemedia

[normal folio]

Idk what I'm even doing tbh

[lean tendon]

there are items that are given for free, and if you sell them the grind is super annoying

[opal frost]

most important stuff can be bought back at cephalon simarus so dont worry that much about deleting keep what you want its your account

[lean tendon]

^ worst tip ever

[opal frost]

nuh uh

im ngl getting frames has never been easier cus of duviri

so it doesnt matter if he deletes it or not

[lean tendon]

sure you can re-farm but the grind is boring + there are items that have Orokin Catalyst pre-installed

so why would you sell

[opal frost]

that is true but that are mainly from events

[lean tendon]

no?

[opal frost]

i have alot of frames that ive gotten from events

[lean tendon]

Mainly quests

[opal frost]

they come preinstalled

[lean tendon]

events are different

[opal frost]

tenno drops and twitch event drop whole sets sometimes

or whole prime frames

there is alot of ways to get a pre built warframe with stuff in it

[lean tendon]

So? that's different than the main point which is Cephalon Simaris items.

[opal frost]

im pretty sure if u a buy a frame with pl it comes preinstalled right

[lean tendon]

only if you buy it in the market

[opal frost]

yes thats what i mean

[weak jasper]

what's the point

[lean tendon]

only spenders do that though

[weak jasper]

You can sell it back for pennies

[opal frost]

de has been giving out pl like crazy so

like free pl

[lean tendon]

most players will either grind or buy the prime sets which don't have pre-installed orokin catalysts

[weak jasper]

Platinum discounts are not free platinum

[opal frost]

didnt say that

[lean tendon]

So? not all players use the coupons

Besides it's much cheaper to just buy the Prime Set + buy an Orokin Catalyst instead of just buying it from the market

[opal frost]

i dont buy from market

or trading

[lean tendon]

the only real reason why spenders buy the ones in the market is because it's fully built and no 3 day waiting

[opal frost]

ive only skipped builds on formas i think

and frames when they had like 1 hour left cus i was impatient

good thing about warframe tho is some of their packs you can buy with pl and not $$$

so if u grind pl which can be done by selling u dont gotta be a spender

i will say that is quite hard for new players though

[lean tendon]

eh not really

just simple Aya farming getting carried in public parties will net you good amounts of platinum

or prime junk farming

[opal frost]

i dont get the prime junk selling

its kinda silly

[weak jasper]

Why the hell would you rush builds

[lean tendon]

not really when Baro Kiteer exists

[weak jasper]

Genuinely baffling use of platinum

[opal frost]

i had like 103 frames and i wanted to have my 104th

[weak jasper]

Prime junk is baro fodder

[opal frost]

it was exciting getting new frames

new abilitys to mess with i thought it was a good pl spent

[weak jasper]

there aren't 103 frames in the game

[opal frost]

yeah there is like 73

70 something

[weak jasper]

Bro is piloting frames that haven't been hypothesized yet

[opal frost]

no i just make alot to subsume

i like keeping my garden lush and glowing

[weak jasper]

I'm excited for the release of Tiberius Prime

[lean tendon]

I mean with everything he said before, it might be a ragebaiter, troll, or genuinely lost

[opal frost]

whats your mr

[lean tendon]

Technically he is correct that he can have 103 frames. Base Frame + Prime variants + you can also have duplicate frames.

[opal frost]

they give out warframe slots like crazy

well over the years ive got alot

[spark thorn]

What is the best t4 incarnon evolution for boar

Crit status or mixed

[eternal prism]

mixed alwasy should be good

[fierce lark]

status if you only care about the incarnon, crit otherwise

boar has a strong incarnoff with raw dmg

im starting to notice a pattern with incarnon shotguns ngl

[sterile wedge]

Does anyone have a build for very early game Dante? I'm about to hit MR6 in a few missions. Realize I probably don't have a lot of options this early on but anything could help.

[eternal prism]

put survivability mods and efficiency for spam overguard

it fine for beginners

[astral tinsel]

Efficiency and energy nexus

[eternal prism]

also good if u have nexus yes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162254708858167407/1368265067942121694/41154030c1f7dc46.gif

[astral tinsel]

You shouldn't need survivability mods with the amount of overguard Dante generates tbh

[eternal prism]

It doesn't matter. He's unlikely to have anything better anyway

[astral tinsel]

Also mod and use your Noctua