builds-discussion

[midnight horizon]

Start by adding mods HAHAHA

[astral tinsel]

You're thinking of the one that procs on impact status

HM is 30% on crit

[karmic badger]

And slash is not terrible, its just that if you have the status chance, heat is usually better. But the nataruk slow

[karmic badger]

Probably, regardless slash isn't bad when its a supporting role

Electric and slash means more slots for crit

[thorn oak]

i cant make my sobek do enough damage to fill antimatter drop

[astral tinsel]

Just slot another electric mod for stronger electric procs and more raw damage

[pallid quiver]

I just run pure elec honestly

[midnight horizon]

I mean sure I guess, I'll try it too if that's only the case

[midnight horizon]

Yeah me too hahhaa

One shockbringer and I'm set

I migjt try Vile Acceleration on Nataruk XDDD

[pallid quiver]

doesnt that one lower base dmg?

[midnight horizon]

Yes but increased fire rate

90%

[astral tinsel]

Negligibly

[midnight horizon]

Hold on..... Does Daikyu have Incarnon?

Or just prime

[pallid quiver]

prime i believe

[old marsh]

When u pair it with serration which is +165% dmg, u in turn get +150% dmg (assuming u don’t have any other dmg increase)

[midnight horizon]

Fck how much is Daikyu prime... A lot of people says it's a very good bow

[pallid quiver]

its got that amalgam mod tho, not sure how good its amalgam mod

[pallid quiver]

well yes but 2 mod slots

[old marsh]

U can get funny numbers

[astral tinsel]

It's whatever

[old marsh]

U need serration and fires rate anyways

[karmic badger]

Very fun for an acuity build

[undone dust]

it's a fun bow but nothing too crazy

[astral tinsel]

Worse than the piercing bows

[undone dust]

blast acuity is silly

[white lodge]

This for me is not obvious

[pallid quiver]

ive got so many weapons that im missing just one part for lmao

[karmic badger]

Moar headshot bonuses, and with 50% base sc, you can get decent blast procs

[white lodge]

But I really like the right one

[pallid quiver]

acceltra p, akarius p, quassus p, daikyu p

its quite funny

[karmic badger]

Right

[astral tinsel]

Orrr you could take advantage of gas and elec double dipping on headshot bonuses

[midnight horizon]

Oh deadass?

[old marsh]

Right

[pallid quiver]

oh elec double dips on headshot too?

[old marsh]

Ye

[white lodge]

Just because the higher MS and CD?

[undone dust]

do gas clouds proc the passive of that one sleep exilus mod

[midnight horizon]

Oh now I'm conflicted..... Should I buy Inaros Prime or Daikyu Prime hahahahah

[old marsh]

Just because Crit Dmg

[old marsh]

Inaros

[midnight horizon]

Damn that was straightforward

Why Inaros?

[astral tinsel]

Yup

[old marsh]

Yes

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smirk-dog-smirking-evil-gif-1174039551531775064

[midnight horizon]

Hmmm.......... 17p vs 70p....

Is Inaros really that good? I know Persistence will be a good mod for him tho but............ Hmmmmm

[old marsh]

Inaros isn’t in rotation. Daikyu is. U will eventually get it.

[white lodge]

Alright so.. follow up question, what should I change?

[midnight horizon]

Fck aight I need a hundred more plat for Inaros (literally just needed.... 39p on Inaros tbh)

[old marsh]

60-60 elemental mods for viral

[midnight horizon]

I'll farm tmr idk what I can sell tho

[old marsh]

Nope. Just check Warframe market. He is cheap enough

[midnight horizon]

Oh wait.... 60p!

Before he is 70p

Im going to be Gaara soon tbh

[thorn oak]

im using acid shells but its like not noticeable at all

[old marsh]

u need to use it with certain buffs to wipe entire tilesets

idea is to get that 100% hp dmg

[idle crescent]

Hi, is there any rifles that are non incarnon but are really good like on torid/burston level good?

[thorn oak]

so I have to run what for that

[old marsh]

i like Saryn but u can use it with other frames like Cyte-09

[karmic badger]

Tenet Glaxion is arguably a competitor to the torid?

[old marsh]

its a Torid u dont have to charge

[idle crescent]

Noted

[thorn oak]

this is what im using right now i took acid shells off but im thinking about putting blast on

[karmic badger]

As for burston incarnon competitor, maybe a kuva karrak with a lot of fire rate and blast?

[idle crescent]

how about something more of a boss orientated

[karmic badger]

Big iffy tho

[idle crescent]

i want to melt bosses down real quick

[idle crescent]

i have burston prime, but the rotation is in like 6 weeks

sadge

[white lodge]

Man my toxox is ripping janus vore to shreds

almost got all acolades by now

[karmic badger]

I should try fighting vor again

[white lodge]

Just use this

[karmic badger]

Maybe nokko with his mushrooms for infinite respawns?

[thorn oak]

my kuva sobek with blast this is what all the enemies are left with and they arent even level 200 sob

[idle crescent]

is acceltra prime any good? or kinda meh~

[white lodge]

I use acceltra with my crewmate

[thorn oak]

acceltra + mirage so goated

[karmic badger]

Meh, runs out of ammo quick

[idle crescent]

Noted

yea im looking for a gun to run with mirage while i wait for burston rotation

[karmic badger]

Well yeah, no armor strip

[white lodge]

boar is really nice on mirage

[thorn oak]

boar is nice on anything

[idle crescent]

boar also need incarnon.....

i have no incarnon for now except that gun

[white lodge]

Ngl Boar is better without incarnon

[idle crescent]

phenmor

[karmic badger]

Incarnoff is technically the term people use, you'll still want the incarnon for the stat buffs

[white lodge]

Ahh gotcha

[karmic badger]

Soma and dera are similar

[thorn oak]

You obviously have never put blast on the incarnon

its actually funny with blast, all the enemies around the one youre aiming at die but not the one ur aiming at

[white lodge]

I oneshot the hemocyte with 1-2 shots without activating the incarnon

on sp

[thorn oak]

yea i use to focus more on the non incarnon until I put blast on the incarnon and ive never went back

[idle crescent]

so my best bet for killing bosses now without incarnon is acceltra + mirage?

[thorn oak]

not for bosses no

[idle crescent]

oh

[thorn oak]

acceltra mirage is more of an aoe thing

for groups

[karmic badger]

Bit tricky figuring out a non incarnon boss killer

[white lodge]

Depends on what bosses

[idle crescent]

like janus vor

[white lodge]

Dual toxocyst

[idle crescent]

ok

[white lodge]

but I have a really good riven

[karmic badger]

Actually wait, kuva Chakkhurr

[white lodge]

I think survivability is more important

[idle crescent]

But i no incarnon yet

[karmic badger]

Headshots

And stahlta

[thorn oak]

dude oh my the boar with blast is SOOO GOOD

[velvet pulsar]

Adversary weapons

[late hemlock]

if you use sobek without a synergy frame its just not gonna be too impressive tbh

its like using a gutted aoe weapon lol

[green ocean]

I asked this earlier but I still want some more opinions, should I replace Primed Pistol Gambit for Merciless Gunfight on this Knell Prime build? I'm using Harrow prime, for context.

[pallid quiver]

anyone have a good ember caster build?

[midnight horizon]

Just wanna ask, if I ever able to get Inaros, what's a good subsume for him? And what skill I should remove?

[astral tinsel]

Absolutely definitely

3 crit chance mods + covenant is way too much crit chance to only be using a single crit damage mod

[elder hare]

Does someone haves a simple build for the daikyu Prime? I dont have like over the top mods but i want something that works Just fine nothing broken

[cold burrow]

Anyone have a raksa kubrow build for hella support, shields specifically. Would like to use it with hildryn and caliban

[karmic badger]

Multishot, crit, and like, gas and/or electric

[late hemlock]

caliban probably doesnt really need the shield regen there and will do better with a guardian sentinel

as for hildryn im running this

what you really care about is link redirection, protect being the top priority mod, reinforced and tenacious bond
the rest do whatever you want i suppose

[cedar sinew]

I'm new to the game and just got a prime xaku, and I made this build but is this a good build? And is there a way to improve this?

[midnight citrus]

Sampotes or Sancti Magistar w/ incarnon?
For Slams

[idle crescent]

Whats the build for akarius prime?

[trim hill]

It depends on the kind of build you're going for. You can 100% use his entire kit a little here and there and he'll still be very viable. If you sink into one ability, you're probably going to sub his 1 off

[elder hare]

Thanks friend

[mighty flare]

magi with incarnon

[midnight citrus]

I thought as much, after checking the wiki.
20m slam radius... holy cow. 😅

[mighty flare]

usual viral heat with multishot, crit is optional
would recommend at least 1 reload speed mod and fulmination if you have them

[astral tinsel]

The regular magistar is usually recommended btw

[thin quartz]

how do i make the most out of reinforced bond?

i wanna get crazy fire rate for fun

[astral tinsel]

It pulls ahead thanks to much higher evo bonuses

[midnight citrus]

Ah, well I don't have a Magistar riven (yet) so that doesn't really concern me (yet)

I'll keep it in mind tho

[astral tinsel]

Even without a riven it does more damage

sancti gets life leech, which is nice situationally

[midnight citrus]

Ohh, wait.
Evo as in incarnon evolutions.

Whoops. 😅

[outer marlin]

Is magistar still the best slam weapon?

[astral tinsel]

Dunno, I never cared much for slam builds

[outer marlin]

ahh ok

[midnight citrus]

It's kind of a boring playstyle... but dang effective one.

[midnight citrus]

I'd argue that 20m slam radius (without any hoops, unlike Arca Titron) is real hard to beat.

[outer marlin]

Ahh i see so arca titron

[outer marlin]

Ive heard about dark sword u tried that?

[midnight citrus]

Honestly, I completely forgot that thing even exists

[outer marlin]

Heard its op

[mighty flare]

its a weaker version of coda mire

[outer marlin]

Ye? Saw a video in yt it goes bonkers

[mighty flare]

yeah, don't fall for bait videos on yt

[outer marlin]

With a riven it seems broken

U tried?

[mighty flare]

yes

coda mire is just better

[outer marlin]

I see

[late hemlock]

dark sword is gonna be stronger with a proper riven but that also requires a proper riven

so unless you really want to use dark sword not much point in not going for mire unless MR

[mighty flare]

its not imao

[late hemlock]

you get so much more damage on the toxin dot from having a good riven its not even funny

[austere current]

Isn't it trading 5% dps for -50% status chance and no status resist passive?

[late hemlock]

normal magistar gets way more stats from the incarnon adapters, thats the reason

personally id probably still go with sancti because it has some nice qol passives, you will be killing mobs even with the lower stats

[fair swan]

Does anyone have a nova Prime build for SP

[cerulean rune]

SHould I replace Magnetic Capacity ?

This is a build on Uriel and use HotShot for crit

[austere current]

What kinda build?
She can survive unmodded even, but the actual use case changes a lot

[fair swan]

The build i would like is one with high damage output and a bit of survivability

This is the current build i use

[austere current]

I agree with your call, dunno if +ammo capacity is helping and you have a lot of +element already

[fair swan]

Actually no i changed the build

One sec lemme get the recent onr

This is the recent one

[compact cypress]

why neg duration on nova?

[fair swan]

Idk rly

[compact cypress]

isnt duration one of her most important stats for her 4th ability

[austere current]

Looks like a Neutron Star AoE build?
Based on the maxed range

[white lodge]

Neg duration on nova isn't that an old thing? or was it strength?

[fair swan]

I was tryna make the 2 more powerful

[midnight citrus]

Neg duration is really old at this point

[austere current]

You could consider Molecular Fission, makes Neutron Star infinite so works great with -efficiency

[midnight citrus]

Her 4 does both now depending whether you hold or tap

[white lodge]

^

[pallid quiver]

this doesnt need u to use 4 to proc it right, it augments the 1?

[midnight citrus]

Also her 1 caps at 90% DR, just needs duration

[austere current]

Her 2 is horrible since it caps out on damage (10,000 before which is less than a single bullet from modded weapons) - was it reworked?

[fair swan]

Mine does like 100k

Fully charged

[austere current]

It makes her 1 prime enemies (the first half of the mod description)

[fair swan]

With molt augmented maxed

[midnight citrus]

I don't think Nova needs any survivability mods if you keep 1 refreshed

[compact cypress]

even then thats not much better than just using a gun normally no?

heres the build i run most of the time

well im lying i normally use overextended over umbran intensify

[white lodge]

Btw should I go right here or keep left..? It's for a crewmate so ammo is not an issue

[austere current]

That's still less than a single shot from a weapon
Yeah I agree with alex

[compact cypress]

probably the first one

[fair swan]

Alr so i need molecular fission

I dont not own one

[compact cypress]

also the acceltra is kinda bad with rivens so dont go spending too much kuva on it

[pallid quiver]

yea but it states its an augment for her 4 so im a bit confused on what is needed for the priming to work or is it just passive to the 1 now

[austere current]

I would personally go left since I love Primary Frostbite which is +CD Multi
But that's very specific

[compact cypress]

i can hook u up

whats ur ign?

[fair swan]

Ty twin🥺

Pokemon12344802

[austere current]

I'm very curious about the Blind Rage + Flow meta going around
Why flow and not efficiency?
Efficiency effectively increases your energy pool AND makes each point of energy worth more, but everyone is using flow instead?

[compact cypress]

because strength is almost always better than effiency ig

[austere current]

The question is Flow vs Efficiency
Isn't flow worse? Or is everyone running capacity based tau shards?

[midnight citrus]

Because with Primed Flow, it's simpler to get a big energy pool, than waste a 3rd slot for efficiency.
And I don't think anyone uses Fleeting Expertise anymore.

[compact cypress]

max energy is better than efficiency in most cases

the only build ive got fleeting on is my yareli lol

[novel bear]

175 efficiency effectively quadruples your energy pool

And makes it fill up 4x faster

[austere current]

Why though
More energy capacity =/= more energy income, which is confusing me
A bigger bank doesn't mean you have more money, just makes more empty space

[compact cypress]

even on casters i dont use any type of energy mod/efficiency
like my wisp. equilibrium + companion has zero problems at all

[nova swift]

It depends, on gun runner gyre archon stretch, the augment and a single energy shard is enough even with blind rage

[novel bear]

Melee platforms run flow for purple shards

[midnight citrus]

Maybe if devs introduce Primed Streamline, then maybe.

[compact cypress]

even without a shard for energy my gun gyre is chilling lol

[austere current]

I'm confused because all of the MR4 builds are running the same Blind + Flow
Literally every frame build in Q & A
But they don't have arcanes or shards

[nova swift]

Oh yea defnitely, i just like to cast 3+4 at the start with preparation + energy shard with blind rage on

[austere current]

Gyre is an exception where efficiency does nothing for them
Since they have built in Harrow-levels of regen and 2 infinite duration abilities

[austere current]

Wisp too, since her main abilities are infinite duration
But on Volt, Excal, Mag, Rhino?
Why flowwww, what is it doing that everyone is running it even without shards or arcanes

[midnight citrus]

...Energy Siphon? 😄
I dunno.

[compact cypress]

max energy pool is just generally better to have than efficiency since theres so many options for energy regen nowadays is my guess

synth deconstruct + equilibrium solves literally any energy econ issues

[midnight citrus]

People might think Streamline is too weak to be worth a slot?
30% efficiency

And Fleeting hurts durability = bad
or smth

[compact cypress]

yeah true that

primed streamline that gives like 50-60% would maybe have some people considering it way more

[austere current]

I guess flow makes sense too if you're casting a burst of abilities, instead of keeping several buffs up consistently
Like more ammo in a pump-n-dump gun

Oh wait I think frames like base Rhino literally can't cast some abilities at 45% efficiency unless they have flow on

[late hemlock]

You can close to triple your energy capacity with a single flow mod

Comparatively streamline doesnt triple the amount of casts you can do, and fleeting expertise negative is usually massive

[austere current]

As an efficiency enjoyer primed streamline is all I want

[austere current]

The question is what 3x energy pool does for someone not running purple shards

[late hemlock]

Efficiency used to be a lot better when it was harder to gain energy, so a smaller bar with higher efficiency was easier to manage than a large bar you can barely fill

there are simply loads of ways to generate energy now

Half the population runs nourish which alone already usually doubles if not more your energy income

[midnight citrus]

When was Energy Nexus introduced?

[late hemlock]

Pretty recent

Wouldn't run it on most setups though

[midnight citrus]

December 2023, it seems like

[late hemlock]

Bunch of companions can trigger archon stretch which is almost the same regen as nexus and gives you range on top

[austere current]

Honestly it's just cool that polar opposite builds are both viable
I'm too addicted to spamming

[velvet pulsar]

Does tesla bank apply forced electric status on explosion?

[thorn oak]

her 2 is not horrible, it caps at 25000, with just a couple strength mods it multiplies to over 20x, 500k damage is plenty and ive seen mine hit for over a million, not to mention it is a HUGE aoe. Ive used it in level 300 sp and it worked perfectly fine.

The reason his is not doing damage is because he is not filling up the 25k cap before shooting 5 shots. You either shoot 5 shots and it doesnt fill all the way, or u shoot less than 5 and it fills. But an important think to note is that it will not ever hit for crit or status meaning it needs to be pure damage.

[thorn oak]

and also archon vitality would make ur neutron star better, tho it wont proc hot shot twice. and the aura mod you are using it kinda pointless with nova IMO since none of her abilities synergize with melee real well

[austere current]

can send it through a wormhole to half charge it

[austere current]

how are you getting 20x, at 700% power I'm only at 14x

[thorn oak]

that too, tho wormhole is better to just subsume over

[compact cypress]

im just too lazy to forma the slot lol, id probably put on brief respite or something

[undone dust]

isnt her 2 also affected by arachne/vig swap like null is?

[thorn oak]

let me get on real quick.

[thorn oak]

i am not sure about that. However If you shoot a weapon that is being benefitted from it that will work to put more damage into it

[austere current]

I may have just been corrupted by melee influence
Since weapons nowadays deal 1mil+ spreading 2-5mil DoTs in a 20m radius

But 1 mil aoe in general is still good even if not influence

[undone dust]

compared to null star nourish nuking it definitely just feels flatter but either way it's still fun

i personally definitely prefer xatas nova though

evade also can be fun but i hate okina

[thorn oak]

her 2nd feels very inconsistentm sometimes it hits for 500k sometimes it hits for more. the most important part is filling the 25k up and having her null star prime for you

[austere current]

and as a game, fun is the only stat we should be min maxing tbh

[undone dust]

fashion is my favorite stat

[austere current]

min-max fashion 🤔

[thorn oak]

ignore my archon continuity I dont feel like upgrading my primed one

[undone dust]

that is definitely a duration stat

[thorn oak]

the multiplier?

[undone dust]

no im just used to seeing higher duration because that's what her 1 and 4 usually love the most

[cyan mango]

🥺 looking for ways to make my protea more op

[thorn oak]

so the weird thing is with anti matter drop is that the multiplier goes off both

oh nevermind

[austere current]

dang how is yours so high?
20x at 230% power?

[thorn oak]

im tweaking ignore me

[thorn oak]

that is true however its gets to a certain exent. if youre clearing a big enough area you dont need much. I personally use antimatter drop a lot so I chose to leverage more towards that

[late hemlock]

antimatter used to be so cool with tigris back in the day

[austere current]

still remember using that for every lua defence

[thorn oak]

this is what I have on, u can switch out precision for whatever. usually hot shot but mine isnt maxed ou, and once again the continuity being archon is bc i dont have my primed upgraded

[austere current]

oh whoops forgot unranked changed stat scaling

[thorn oak]

also cunning drift is there because I accidentally formad it to the wrong thing so im just dealing with it now

oh switch out normal flow for primed too obviously (mine isnt upgraded)

hot shot nova is so goated tho i cant lie

[austere current]

nova procs toxin?

why archon continuity? does her 2 spread status?

[austere current]

oh the message was exactly off the top of my screen, my b

[thorn oak]

maybe one day ill have the credits to upgrade the primed mods that have been collecting dust

[austere current]

is it 1 mil for a prime mod?
the new 1999 credit farm seems pretty fast

[thorn oak]

i think its 2 mil

[late hemlock]

2.1m iirc

[thorn oak]

and yea I have all the stuff to do it im just lazy

[austere current]

oh antimater drop AoE is not bad at all
does it go through walls?

[thorn oak]

unfortunately no

[austere current]

:(
dang

[thorn oak]

its very nice being able to control where it goes though

another thing people seem to forget is that every enemy affected by her molecular prime takes 100% extra damage

why is nova so amazing

[austere current]

is wormhole actually useful for anything
trying to decide if i should swap subsume to wormhole instead of antimatter

[thorn oak]

niche stuff

basically all the damage stuff with it u have to have antimatter aswell

[austere current]

can't think of a single time i've every actually used it
operator moves faster too

[thorn oak]

yea it kinda sucks imo. id definately subsume over that and not antimatter

with some type of damage buff

xatas, nourish, roar.

and also literally any of those 3 abilities only make antimatter drop better

well on paper they do

[late hemlock]

wormhole is instant so its def faster and the range is much larger, its just really hard to get good at

as far as the subsume its a toss up between that and antimatter both are not doing much tbh

[midnight citrus]

Are headshots weakpoints?

Coda Synapse does 20% more damage on headshots, so I'm wondering if that stacks with weakpoint mods

[hexed coyote]

How is arcane hotshot on cedo lavos?

[nova swift]

its fine as long as you can muscle memory heat infused vial rush

[quasi fossil]

what should i add?

whats better between r5 primary merciless and primary overcharge?

[hexed coyote]

What are his best arcanes?

[fierce lark]

would say overcharge if you can consistently keep it active and at 350%

[idle crescent]

Am i doing smth wrong with my akarius prime here? its not doing like high dmg like im expecting

[nocturne spindle]

Does harrow care about efficiency?

[fierce lark]

for most humanoid enemies yes, but "headshot" means bullet to the head, whether it's a weakpoint or not

i believe it stacks additively with headshot bonuses like deadhead, and multiplicatively with weak point bonuses like acuity

[fierce lark]

galv shot is doing nothing

[idle crescent]

wat do i change it for

[fierce lark]

it doesn't apply to the aoe portion of aoe weapons, akarius' damage is like 99% aoe

lethal torrent, elementalist or a bane

[idle crescent]

anything else to improve there?

[fierce lark]

you prob want some source of ammo efficiency, either from subsumed energized munitions, arcane pistoleer on warframe or akimbo slipshot on secondary

akarius is famous for ammo problems

[idle crescent]

ok

[fierce lark]

it being a pocket rocket you're probably already aimgliding a lot while shooting enemies from above anyway

[drowsy herald]

Does oraxia's 4 not give the toxin buff to incarnons?

[nocturne spindle]

Nope

[drowsy herald]

That sucks. Any reason why? Or is it just how the game design works

[nocturne spindle]

It's just how extra hit mechanics work

Ironically saryn is the only frame with extra hit that can use incarnons

[drowsy herald]

She can apply the buffs? But oraxia can't damn

I heard Saryn is the most broken frame

[nocturne spindle]

Yea it's because saryn is the first frame to have this mechanic, every frame that has it after her applies the extra hit to the magazine instead of a general buff like she does

[old marsh]

Every frame is broken in the game. Just need to find out how much

[idle crescent]

akarius has homing?

[nocturne spindle]

Yup

[idle crescent]

feels like im laanding every shot

i see

[restive swan]

Debatable, but not by a lot tbh Saryn can very, very easily be made pretty broken in several ways

Definitely top 5 at least

[late hemlock]

id much rather use enervate and kick pistol gambit for a start

see how that does for you

[fierce lark]

technically they all can, xata's is an extra hit with status xd

[drowsy herald]

I have Saryn and I wanna make her into a health tank build but I've seen it requires gloom most of the time.

[fierce lark]

health tank saryn requires jesus more than anything

[drowsy herald]

Im loving oraxia though I'm finally able to use my guns without having the knockback from the explosions of the incarnon forms as psf is timegated to 400 days

[restive swan]

There's probably ways to do it without gloom, but gloom just works really, really well on her especially paired with persistence

[nocturne spindle]

Yea my saryn just presses molt and rolling guard and aegis to stay alive lol

It's nerve wracking but it gets the job done ok

[restive swan]

Not health tanking but just far as survivability in general goes this also works for her

[drowsy herald]

Mr beast scam gang is everywhere bruh

[nocturne spindle]

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[fierce lark]

the only thing in saryn's entire kit that even promotes health tanking is regenerative molt, which isn't an awful health source but it's not enough to keep up with persistence so yeah you pretty much need gloom, a source of +hp (preferably at least 1k), a source of + armor (at least 385 flat or like +125%) and then persistence on top of that

it's a significantly amount of build altering to make lazy tanking work vs slotting in 2 mods to shieldgate

triumbral doesn't give enough hp to be comfortable because her base is only 365, so you're slotting arcane blessing, arcane persistence, health conversion using your helminth for gloom

[drowsy herald]

How long is the base sevatooth grind? I have his systems so far. People rarely do railjack fissures

[fierce lark]

it's one of the worst grinds in the game iirc

it might not be that bad? but it's on the longer end

couple hours of void storms

[drowsy herald]

I'm just gonna keep grinding plat and buy him that way ig

How many months do y'all think kullervo prime is from releasing? He's the other on my list

[restive swan]

I would say the armor requirement it more important, and long as you can surpass the 500+ health threshold then you should be fine especially if you're actually not being lazy the synergy between gloom and spores speaks for itself so with persistence you almost never actually risk dying (unless you slip up)

[fierce lark]

i forget if kullervo is the first or second prime this year

[fierce lark]

last person i heard talk about gloom saryn was doing negative range so that gloom would never actually hit enemies and cost energy

[restive swan]

I can see why they might go neg range especially in public lobbies but personally one of the only stats I really sacrifice on my persistence build for her is strength because I can always get it back through molt augmented anyways

Also I can just run less range, but not negative (like 150-175% range )

[fierce lark]

idk i think if you wanted to play a health tank saryn you may as well play oraxia lol

[restive swan]

I mean Oraxia is also great for that, but I think Saryn is strong and versatile enough to also lean into it while still being able to do Saryn stuff well

Plus it's Saryn she's one of the most popular frames ever for a reason (coming from a Wukong main)

[fierce lark]

same concept as saryn with more health more mobility less damage

but if you're nuking a bunch of saryn's stats to make persistence work, play oraxia and run it out of the gate, only thing she needs is conversion

[drowsy herald]

I just have Saryn prime sitting in my garage and idk what to do with her. I'm gonna main oraxia for a while though she is finally making me able to use guns

[restive swan]

I don't really need to nuke Saryn stats to make it work though, at most just very minimal sacrifices that still keep her plenty usable and potent

Also universal toxin buff goes brrrr

[fierce lark]

build a lot of strength, equip venom dose and subsume roar over 4, realize that saryn is broken as shit and makes every gun including shit ones levelcap competitive and then play something else because you're bored of being that strong

[restive swan]

Play Saryn persistence build but with only 520 health

[pearl cove]

do I laugh or cry

[hollow elm]

I have nekros, dagath and ember for eda this weeks. Cany of them heal or defend the mibile defense targets?

[pearl cove]

the debuffs dissapear instantly

[late hemlock]

i mean you would still slot it over crit deceleration and simply put lasting sting

but yeah its sad

[fierce lark]

not really? i'd say nekros terrify could crowd control but im pretty sure one of the modifiers gives everything overguard

[hollow elm]

Not this time thankgully

[fierce lark]

i don't remember if hte mirror defense has the overguarded enemies

[hollow elm]

That kikda sucks i wante to them solo but i keep faiöing mirror defense

[fierce lark]

if not, nekros and dagath are both decent at cc

but nekros has all the shadows to shoot things and pull aggro

[late hemlock]

if you wanna solo you could just ignore the random frames and pick a set loadout?

[hollow elm]

I thpugh of running a terifiy cc build but i doubt ill make it til miror defense with him cause my weps sucks

[late hemlock]

could rely on archgun

[hollow elm]

Used larksour p a bit but running outa ammo :>n even with crux

[fierce lark]

yeah if you have the archgun deployer and no gear embargo you can always larkspur through the whole thing

[late hemlock]

time to run primed ammo chain!

[undone dust]

oh yeah that exists now doesnt it

[late hemlock]

or use it with hildryn she gets like 700 max ammo

[fierce lark]

wonder how kgrattler is on ammo econ

mausolon has lots

[late hemlock]

dont even have grattler, only gonna maybe bother after march

[undone dust]

im pretty sure k grattler has good ammo econ

[hollow elm]

Why after march

[late hemlock]

lich update

have not touched any kuva/tenet content since they announced it

[undone dust]

i must immediately get a kuva ghoulsaw to 60%

[tired wren]

Thoughts on this gotva build?

[undone dust]

id recommend crux over merciless since it's an absolute bullet hose and it's funny but thats just my cup of tea

[fierce lark]

is the gotva like reverse sagek

[undone dust]

other way around but yeah

[fierce lark]

status procs crit or smth

[undone dust]

also gotva's passive has a much higher chance to actually proc

[tired wren]

Okey tyty I'll try it

[undone dust]

% chance for status procs to give red crits

[fierce lark]

ah

[tired wren]

After inflicting a status chance you have a 15% chance to have 300% crit chance for your next shot

[undone dust]

probably my favorite basic rifle

[fierce lark]

needs fire rate somewhere, especially with negative on the riven

ik the base fire rate is pretty high already but it's like relative value

if you add 90% fire rate from 0 it's just 90% more damage, 90% more status application etc (until reload)

would put primed shred/vile accel over hammer shot

[tired wren]

I'm just unsure what to swap out for fire rate

[undone dust]

definitely shred since it's a single target rifle

[fierce lark]

apparently it has 0.5 pt

but yeah would still do shred if it's owned

[undone dust]

ah yes. .5

[fierce lark]

serration if you're keeping merciless, hammer shot if you switch to crux

[hollow plover]

should i just...

[tired wren]

Hmm 12-ish days until I get primed shred

[fierce lark]

i think exalted shadow subsume is normal for nuke sevagoth?

talking out of my ass lmao

[karmic badger]

If you don't have the forma to make shadow actually good, then yeah

[hollow plover]

im mr 9 so idk much

[karmic badger]

Pretty much. 1 and 2 are needed for the nuke, and 3 is the survival panic button

[karmic badger]

Its like, 4-5 forma minimum on top of whatever you had to put into Sevagoth

[hollow plover]

ohh

i have used forma only once..

for a broken war

[idle crescent]

galvanized aptitude on torid incarnon?

[late hemlock]

it is, though personally i like subsuming gloom a lot more ngl

shadow has a lot of utility and can help energy econ a LOT which can be an issue on seva

[karmic badger]

Works, but not very well, it doesn't account for the chain beams and the base damage boost from incarnon perks

[idle crescent]

noted

[pearl cove]

ok I got a devious ideea, I need help from y'all real quick

[fierce lark]

gaptitude on torid gets 50% of its intended value, so you'd need 4 statuses applied for it to at least match serration

[gleaming oasis]

got inaros prime done in a few days. figured I get a build ready. how's this for a start? Yes I did make sure camisado works

[fierce lark]

given how much area coverage torid has with the length of its chaining beam, the associated aoe, and it usually being built with blast, gaptitude is rarely getting enough value to be worth

[pearl cove]

I have this build right here, crit mod being covered, merciless as my arcane. Would it be a good ideea to put double tap instead of malignant then put on primary frostbite?

[karmic badger]

Viral magnetic and radiation might be a funny setup with debilitate

[pearl cove]

ok I realised you can't see my riven it's dmg crit ms and -100% status duration

essentially this gun will proc statuses and they will dissapear instantly

[novel bear]

Take off the riven then

No status is not worth it

[pearl cove]

It's dmg cc and ms dawg

[novel bear]

And you have no status

[fierce lark]

torid has the tendency to evaporate anything within its line of sight, so if something is reaching enough stacks to get debilitate you've done something wrong with your torid

also debilitate can only proc once per damage instance so beams get screwed

[pearl cove]

the enemy won't care about status if they're dead

[novel bear]

And they’ll die faster if you’re applying statuses

[pearl cove]

It's dmg crit ms big bro

[novel bear]

Cool

Don’t care

[karmic badger]

No status is painful tho lmao

[novel bear]

Why even use gaptitude with that status duration?

[fierce lark]

latron kills most things in 1 bullet without a riven

it does not do this to eximus heavy units, thrax, demolishers, acolytes etc

if you add that riven you're obliterating your actual dps

[pearl cove]

Ok then, do I put continous misery instead of vile acc and allow my gun to proc again?

[pearl cove]

cause my pet procs 9 debuffs

aight, what are we saying now?

[fierce lark]

aptitude is getting like 1/4th value on incarnon form shots btw

[pearl cove]

isn't it multiplicative?

the youtubers lied to me

[fierce lark]

yes, but it doesn't apply the base dmg gained from evolutions, and doesn't apply to the aoe portion of the damage

[pearl cove]

idk what else to put instead tho

[fierce lark]

i have cannonade

[pearl cove]

vile acc?

[pearl cove]

I have like 500% base dmg

and incarnon can't punchthrough

[fierce lark]

the punch through isn't important, it's just a large damage number

that works when merciless isn't stacked

[pearl cove]

do I use double tap?

instead of galva apti

[fierce lark]

double tap is a preference choice, but it's final multiplicative so it causes some big numbers

[pearl cove]

it's what now

literally why didn't u tell me sooner

does it stack on incarnon hits btw?

[fierce lark]

it's multiplicative, and accounts for punchthrough as well as multishot

so each shot is often getting it to 160%+

[pearl cove]

does it work on incarnon shots tho?

[fierce lark]

yes

[pearl cove]

epic

[fierce lark]

only on direct hits though

oh i see, the buff starts at 100% and counts up from that, that's why the first shot is always 160%

[gleaming oasis]

So got this iranors prime build draft. yes I checked the wiki this time for camisado. does inaros use any of his augments?

[pearl cove]

I did not see it's per shot

might have overestimated this mod a little bit

[old marsh]

ye. elemental sandstorm

[fierce lark]

wym?

[pearl cove]

I didn't read for the next hit

and I was confused on why the buffs was dying instantly

[fierce lark]

well yeah it's not gonna do anything if you're only landing 1 bullet every 2s interval

[gleaming oasis]

what element would be preferble? and what can be changed from the build?

[ornate plinth]

You could also check out arcane bellicose, with a few things like vitality and saxum carapace you can hit the +76% ability strength pretty easily freeing up the blind rage slot

[old marsh]

not what element. you should ask what weapon. Keratinos

[old marsh]

*72

for him u want Bellicose and Persistence

[gleaming oasis]

I mean I got the dual ichor, harmony, amanata. take your pick

[gleaming oasis]

which arcane would be taken out

[old marsh]

then Nami Solo

[undone dust]

galv apt is direct
double tap for some reason only affects the aoe
another thing to keep in mind is that incarnoff and incarnon have separate stacks

[hollow plover]

help

[gleaming oasis]

you got roar assuming you are going for the nuke build?

[hollow plover]

since im just mr 9 i athought that would be better for now

[old marsh]

the kind of build u r going for requires 255% STR and atleast 190% Range.

i say 190 so your nuke region isnt too small

[gleaming oasis]

this is my nuke build feel free to reference it

[undone dust]

145 is fine in most cases but 190-235 definitely feels really comfortable

[hollow plover]

i have blind rage but no transient fortitude

[undone dust]

and don't think you need to go crazy and stack strength mods, you can snapshot roar with things like madurai str buff

[hollow plover]

dont have madurai yet

[gleaming oasis]

maybe spec into some more range or another strength mod if you have any

[hollow plover]

how do i unlock it, i have naramon only rn

[undone dust]

equip a madurai lens and get 50k focus with the school to unlock it

[hollow plover]

im still mr 9 so should i still push for that?

[late hemlock]

the factor isnt MR as much as it is unlocking the helminth system

you really want to be able to subsume roar

[hollow plover]

well i did subsume rhino yesterday

so W situation

[wise holly]

how do i get khora to survive with a companion nuke build?

[old marsh]

not really. requires too much investment imo and thats just for lvl cap. there r other frames that can delete tilesets in SP

u can try Gara, Nova, Garuda, etc

[hollow plover]

i accidentally bought an orokin reactor....

i tohught it will show where to get it instead of buying it outright

[late hemlock]

i mean idk i dont think its too much investment if they already got roar subsume unlocked

getting to the str threshold should be too bad

[deep grotto]

That would depend on where you bought it

Also to be fair it literally asks you if you wanna “buy a reactor for 20 platinum?”

[old marsh]

its fine. u will need Sevagoth so dont worry. like EDA/ETA where u will have no decent weapons and u can just wipe out everyone lol

[hollow plover]

yes my mistake i agree

in warframe slang yea hes been potatoe'd

[old marsh]

its subjective tbh.

[late hemlock]

i suppose, but you can play seva in a way that ignores modding shadow entirely and just subsuming over it if you want so its like a normal investment frame

[fierce lark]

i meant double tap only stacks on direct hits

[undone dust]

oh truth

[signal trail]

Guys do you know how I can build revenant's mods with these? Just new to the game

[magic cargo]

can i get some tips on building wisp?

[magic cargo]

mate you need some strenght mods for that mesmer strikes to go up, then you can remove everything regrading health and shields

[signal trail]

Yeah I mean, idk how to get specific mods for him so I don't really have a choice

[deep grotto]

There’s not really specific mods for frames outside of augments

[magic cargo]

if you are new dont really stres about mods rn, play through the story and star chart and you will get most of them

[hollow elm]

Is there no way to beat this weeks eda mirror defense without a frame specifily for it?

[late hemlock]

Define specifically for it

[hollow elm]

Theres nowhere near enoigh glives spawning to actually counter act the decay and keep it alive. And thats with 0 enemy damage

[late hemlock]

This week got rolled over by hildryn yet again

[hollow elm]

I literally had a lr 6 hildryn in one of my attampt X D

Over all like 3 runs including hildryn

[late hemlock]

Sadly mr means absolutely nothing

[hollow elm]

It just dies thru decay npthing we can do

[hollow elm]

Ik but still wasnt the only one.just first lr 6 i saw ever

[hollow elm]

Frame that can effect defense targets like gove them heal or shield or dr

[abstract axle]

haven't tried this week, but shield osprey summon does grant shields to the target

[fierce lark]

i did eda in multiplayer and had 0 issues with md

[late hemlock]

If you lose not from decay but from enemies just killing it maybe use a limbo/frost etc?

But honestly a nuke frame setup is more than fine the decay isnt that strong

Just collect your thingies to heal it

[hollow elm]

Idk what going on. Had multible runs today. A few of them where wr literally nuled every enemy on spawn. But the decay killed it. And we all been collecting them. what am i idoing wrong

[hollow elm]

Can u think of anything im doing wrong?

[fierce lark]

not killing/ccing things fast enough or nobody picking up the vosfene glyphs is all i can think of

[hollow elm]

Sadly that aint it. Might have been at first but the last 2 rund defenitly not. Last round we stood there waiting for glyphs to spawn while nothing came even close to the vitrium and the thing just died on it own bc of it

WAIT!!

Am i dumb? Is there a way to MAKE them spawn somehowMmm

[icy badger]

What archon shard do I put on jade?

I'm currently using 2 orange on her

[hollow elm]

Personally id go with enervate and put qol shard on her

15 base cc kinda not worth it. Even max tau orandge would make it ehmmm somehwre under 100% total i thinkg

Like 70% or something not good with math but def not worth missing out on the qol shards

[icy badger]

Red shards are qol right

[hollow elm]

Ehm not really. If one specific shards got to be names qol it would be yellow

[cold burrow]

What do ppl usually build citrine as, tank, nuke, platforms? Im new to her

[hollow elm]

But generly think that make thing overall more easy.

Im addigted to casting speed and parkour velocity on all my frames e.g

But 75 enetgy or 225 armour could also be qol depending on what u going for you know

[hollow elm]

All? Kinda.

Recebtly iv seen tbuild with her companion augments going crazy

[icy badger]

Yeah I've got 1 yellow on her for parkuor velocity and 2 upgrade blue for energy to drop flow

[cold burrow]

Tempting

[hollow elm]

Tbh im not sure if psrkour velicity increases he flight speed much or at all. Id def recomend a castinf speed shard

Mb energy or equilibrium shard depending on you energy managment

[icy badger]

Ok I'll try it out

Thanks alot

[fierce lark]

i didn't see what the deviations were this week, but idk. mine never went below 40k hp a single time, granted i was playing wisp, but im not sure if her reservoirs can affect defensive objectives

[gleaming oasis]

so I like the addition of belicose, what should i use for the last blank since it can be used over blind rage apparently. Vitality maybe sincee no shields?

[white lodge]

I still keep left due to MS, right?

[fierce lark]

right is actually usable i think

maybe

primed charged shell existing kinda makes it redundant but it's a decent contender for the fire rate slot

left is awful

-cc doesn't automatically make felarx/phenmor rivens good

[late hemlock]

Hey its good vs infested

[fierce lark]

i think primed smite infested is better xd

[white lodge]

You want like MS -CC and dmg?

[novel bear]

A toothpick is good against infested

[white lodge]

Feels impossible to roll it

[fierce lark]

3 good positives and a good negative, with -cc being the best negative

[late hemlock]

I know the feeling trying to get a good roll

[fierce lark]

thats because it almost is, felarx/phenmor have awful riven dispo

[white lodge]

I scream

[novel bear]

That’s pretty good

[fierce lark]

that's uh

not terrible against grineer i guess

[white lodge]

I havn't gotten any -cc on like 30 rolls

[fierce lark]

the humble crit damage felarx roll

[white lodge]

The crit dmg is just sad

[novel bear]

Ms and damage vs grineer is good though

[white lodge]

Left is still better

[late hemlock]

How much kuva are you sitting on that you bother to roll a felarx?

[white lodge]

Left has firerate status and electricity

I had 600k

I now have... 376k

[late hemlock]

Oh no

[white lodge]

Doing the perita like 200 times gave me -alot- of steel essence that I bought kuva for

[fierce lark]

before you roll rivens, check the disposition of the weapon you're rolling

if it's below like...0.8, i wouldn't bother rolling, it's too hard to get a usable roll atp and even usable rolls are barely an upgrade over a cheap mod

somewhere around 0.7-0.8

[late hemlock]

At least i think felarx sells if thats the goal?

[fierce lark]

trash felarx is 20p iirc

[white lodge]

I just like rolling, the dispo is not as important to me

[fierce lark]

lol

if you like gambling, buy an unrolled burston or torid and roll that

[white lodge]

I mean, I got this beauty tho

[fierce lark]

yeah that's pretty good

[white lodge]

this carried me on janus vor

[novel bear]

Yeah, but that’s a five dot dispo

[late hemlock]

Looks terrible for uh

Orokin vault farming

[novel bear]

Compared to felarx’s one dot

[white lodge]

I mean, true

[fierce lark]

dtox could run a 0.5x dmg to x riven with no stats and it would still smoke everything

[tepid scaffold]

Dtox is indeed one of the best weps in the game

[white lodge]

I wanted to get a torid riven..

but 400 plat is... much

[eager charm]

how do I make this more "one shot" material
i have a panzer for viral priming

fk riv is pfs fr tox

[fierce lark]

swap vig armaments for galv savvy, riven for toxic barrage and run primary frostbite

weird riven tbh, there's a floating slot

[eager charm]

i'm not going to be charging galv savvy tho

primary frostbite and use a pet that applies cold i guess?

[fierce lark]

if your panzer has an elemental claw mod, it should be applying elec at the same time that it applies viral, though im not positive how that works entirely

either way your gun will be applying statuses as well

your gun is applying cold

[eager charm]

i'm not actively using this, i use it for when i stomp a demo/aco/thrax and then one tap it

ocucor for OG strip/priming/trash clear

[fierce lark]

in that case you should probably swap galv hell for hell's chamber

if you're trying to go full stackless

or keep it and swap the arcane for shotgun vendetta

[eager charm]

the diff is only 110 vs 120, not a big deal

[fierce lark]

get 1 kill before whatever you're trying to kill spawns

[eager charm]

i wonder, if i make panzer claws cold, do viral quills apply viral + cold?

[stone garnet]

ohh what I would do for a riven like this.. maybe I should start gambling

[teal holly]

I wonder if dtox will ever get a coda.

[eager charm]

hell no lol

already have torxica

[fierce lark]

actually nvm elemental claws don't affect viral regardless

so it would only apply elec on whatever it attacks manually

in any case, i don't think you're getting "true" 1shots without some sort of either armor strip or CO status priming

and you need to get kills beforehand to stack deadhead/hell anyway

and cannonade is disabling the fire rate you're getting from your riven

[eager charm]

what else would i slot over riv? prime point blank for more dmg?

[fierce lark]

the toxin mod you'd be missing

unless you want panzer for another reason, you can run wyrm or nautilus with tazicor, or diriga with prisma/burst laser prime & manifold, and prime a bunch of statuses that way for savvy

diriga for tenacious bond or the other two for higher companion range

[eager charm]

gonna try helios with coolant leak

see if the uptime on that is any good

this might be pretty dirty tho
nourish CD rhino with avenger
helios armor strip with cold priming

[fierce lark]

coolant leak requires more than 1 target in range

[eager charm]

fair point, i'll mod deconstructor for mag cold and see how that goes

[white lodge]

Gambling or opening your wallet whatever works

[stone garnet]

“what’s the difference?” - Patrick

[eager charm]

tbh you don't even rly need a riven for a wep like dual toxo, lol

the most fun rivens are when they transform the nature of a weapon bc they save you 1 or 2 mod slots for something rly special

like on trumna if you can get -recoil on a riven along with some other stat, you can use your exilus to completely delete recoil, which normally isnt possible unless you use deadhead

[fierce lark]

if your trumna riven has -recoil it probably isn't slottable, weapon has terrible dispo

[weak jasper]

is this worthwhile or unusable due to a lack of a negative?

[stone garnet]

I know

[fierce lark]

looks alright

[weak jasper]

how do i evaluate prices on rivens for weapons that aren't meta

[fierce lark]

look for rivens with similar rolls, see what they're priced at

[gleaming oasis]

trying to finish this build. thoughts? I like the addition of bellicose and sandstorm augment is goin in the other slot. what should the last slot be

[green ocean]

What should I put in the last two slots on my Neutralizer? I imagine it'd be some combination of statuses but what do yall think? I sent the Cyte build as well if the context is needed. But I mainly just want help with the last two slots on the neutralizer

[turbid leaf]

im in really early game, i have good movement just want a glass cannon build or something fast that does good dmg, which warframe should i aim for first

[fierce lark]

which starter frame did you pick?

[pallid quiver]

any idea which elements to put on valkyr talons?

the double naramon polarity on her prime talons is kinda limiting my options a bit, specially since her base sc is so low

[green ocean]

more raw dmg, who needs statuses if you go full crit and kill everything with one m1

😎

[fierce lark]

either primed cryo rounds & infected clip, or just match whatever elemental weakness you're against

[pallid quiver]

problem is double naramon lol idek what to put in there

[fierce lark]

shocking touch for influence, that + north wind for vortex, primed fever strike for anything else

[green ocean]

do I really need viral if everything dies with one shot tho? granted I'm not that good at the game since I only played for a little over a month, but isn't viral better on primer weapons rather than oneshot weapons?

[fierce lark]

the status effect is irrelevant

if your gun has 0 elements, and you add 255% elemental damage, you've just added 255% damage to your weapon

[green ocean]

fair point.

[fierce lark]

raw damage weapons still need elements

as they're another separate damage multiplier

[green ocean]

could I go like, primed cryo rounds and molten clip or whatever the heat + status chance mod is called tho? that'd give me good AOE with the neutralizer passive

[fierce lark]

if you want to make blast, you can do that

[green ocean]

which element is best for AOE? I know Gas and Blast are AOE, don't remember if Electricity is or not

[fierce lark]

if you're killing everything in 1 hit, blast is best for upfront aoe, gas is good if you're not moving around

[green ocean]

alright

blast it is then, thank you

[fierce lark]

elec is all around a small aoe and good for 1 target, it's also the only status that starts its damage instantly instead of after 1s

elec radius is 3m, blast is 5m, gas is i think 3m with 1 stack and 6m at max stacks

[pallid quiver]

ideally what statline should i be hitting for crit, base damage and status chance?

[fierce lark]

i have no idea what the exact statline is tbh i just threw the usual 12x melee mods on claws

im running influence because ripline melee kills most things in 1 hit anyways, and anything that survives can trigger influence

with high enough range you can run exposure + primed fever and do way more damage without losing the aoe, as you have ripline to group

[pallid quiver]

hmm ok, cuz idk what i was doing wrong but harmony just felt like it was doing way more lol

do u typically use blood rush and weeping wounds on her?

[fierce lark]

yep

the only difference from a usual build is i have gladiator might instead of fury, due to war cry

[pallid quiver]

tbf i have no clue what the usual 12x mods are for melees lol

[stone garnet]

elec is to an extent, but not like the real aoe stuff

[fierce lark]

crabsweat

CO
Range
Attack speed
Blood rush
Steel
Weeping wounds
Electric
Anti-faction
Tennokai

but we never use anti-faction anymore because roar exists and most factions don't have a mod

[tepid scaffold]

Are you guys talking about valkyr talons??

[fierce lark]

yeah

and before you say anything i did mention that influence is optional

i would say "exposure is more popular" but tbh i see a lot of weird shit on valkyr builds

people running duplicate and galv steel as their only crit for example lol

or animosity (which is at least really funny)

[pallid quiver]

hmm i still gotta work on getting CO

[fierce lark]

if you have primed pressure point, that's comparably good most of the time

[pallid quiver]

i do not

[fierce lark]

CO is only really good with a primer, talons with ppp will kill everything in 1-2 hits regardless

[pallid quiver]

hasnt been in baro yet

[fierce lark]

you could also run high strength or arcane fury instead, get your base damage that way

ability strength on valkyr is additive with base damage from melee mods

anything is better than base pressure point lol

[tepid scaffold]

I can't share hysteria claws rn because the companion app doesn't have them- but there is a build for the claws that essentially one taps anything up to lvl 9999

It's very close to the traditional COWBARF setup iirc

Doesn't use influence

[pallid quiver]

COWBARF?

[novel bear]

Have you done the sacrifice?

[pallid quiver]

dont think so...?

when does that unlock

[novel bear]

Sometime after chains of harrow I think?

Definitely after old war

[pallid quiver]

ive finished the new peace so

[novel bear]

So you have sacrificial pressure and sacrificial steel?

[pallid quiver]

yea i have those

[novel bear]

Use those on valkyr talons then

[fierce lark]

i would just buy condition overload atp

[brittle sleet]

Old melee meta.
Condition Overload
Organ Shatter
Weeping Wounds
Blood Rush
Attack Speed
Range
Faction/Filler

[novel bear]

Valkyr gets melee damage from her passive

That and sac pressure is more than enough

Purple shards for crit damage, sac steel and blood rush for crit chance

[fierce lark]

realistically she gets enough from just her passive, you could skip melee mods entirely

[novel bear]

But think of the extra crit chance!

[fierce lark]

im thinking of the torture of trying to fit sacrificial set on valkyr

[novel bear]

Not that bad at all

[fierce lark]

not the mods but the 32 cost worth of umbral

[novel bear]

I think I have double sacs on every melee exalted

[fierce lark]

may i ask why

[novel bear]

They’re better usually if you’re running purple shards for crit

[pallid quiver]

are the galv melee mods not used very much then?

[novel bear]

Galv reflex is necessary on any heavy spam weapon

Galv steel is better than sac steel if you don’t have external crit damage

Galv elementalist is usually if you don’t want to run a smite mod

[pallid quiver]

oh, out of the 3 i got the least used one lol

and farming vitus essence is slow af for me

[novel bear]

Which one did you get?

[pallid quiver]

elementalist

[fierce lark]

do you not run blood rush?

[novel bear]

I do

Double sac is still better I think

[fierce lark]

im like

99% certain galv ppp is always better than double sac if you have blood rush

regardless of external cd factors

[novel bear]

Elementalist is used pretty often, because a lot of people don’t want to deal with smite

[novel bear]

I’ll do the calcs out later

[pallid quiver]

ah ok, just not on valkyr ig

[novel bear]

Valkyr doesn’t use elementalist because of her awful status

On weapons that don’t have awful status, it’s good

[amber dirge]

What i should build in my protea prime?

[mighty flare]

lots of duration, exact range/strength depends on ur setup: https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1474844387543482479

[night laurel]

if i have a pure slash and viral weapon (dorrclave with two 60/60s) would i want Elementalist? for the slash ticks?

[novel bear]

Yes

[night laurel]

ty!

saying viral and slash in the same sentence feels like im in 2019

but i do enjoy the dorrclave a lot 😭 looking to get the arcane that reapplies stacks on lifted/knockeddown enemies

how much of an improvement is Summoners Wrath btw?

[rough vale]

Improvement for what?

[night laurel]

for robotic pet general damage, mb

[fierce lark]

idk what the context is, but it's a +75% faction damage modifier to summons and pets

so it's additive with roar but multiplicative with everything else

[night laurel]

faction mult 😭

thats crazy, thanks

[fierce lark]

is partly why we run nourish on caliban

[rough vale]

Technically roar is still better for caliban

[fierce lark]

hard doubt

[rough vale]

I have a desmos calculator that proves it but I can't post it here

It's more noticeable in fissures

[fierce lark]

dm me it

[night laurel]

neat, why in fissures?

[fierce lark]

nvm there's no chance in hell im gonna be able to read this

[fierce lark]

i can see that but i have no clue how to verify what is being calculated or how any of this is arranged

[rough vale]

Ortholysts do more damage by having a higher faction bonus than by having a higher nourish buff

[fierce lark]

is this factoring in the inclusion of summoner's wrath?

[rough vale]

Yes

It's way too complicated to be bothered explaining every part tbh

[fierce lark]

does it also factor the viral status applied by ortholysts

[rough vale]

Yes

I assume pet priming as assumed so nourish has 90% strip from corrosive heat, and roar has 50% strip and viral from viral heat

[fierce lark]

i can't speak for anyone else but i don't get consistent pet priming as im playing caliban with shade

and duplex clones do w/e they feel like

[rough vale]

This is with no priming assumed, It's based off ninjases standalone nourish graph btw

[fierce lark]

why is base higher than everything

[rough vale]

It doesn't need priming to strip

[brittle sleet]

So that means all of these assume 2 isn't subsumed over and is either active or equal in how it affects things?

[rough vale]

Yes

[maiden oracle]

Any tips to make my Umbra better?
I know about Chromatic Blade I just don't like it or Influence

[hard dove]

use chromatic blade for other element

viral from mod
heat from chromatic blade
corro from exposure

[maiden oracle]

Is it seriously just that strong?

[hard dove]

300% sc is simply too good

[maiden oracle]

Man

[hard dove]

aint gladiator aegis a shield recharge mod? why is it there an a triumbral circumvent build

you have too much survivability stuff here

[maiden oracle]

Ngl I only put circumvent cause I couldn't think of anything else
And Aegis is there for the extra set bonus

[hard dove]

oh nvm i was thinking of a diffrent mod then

honestly you could just drop any survivability mod with circumvent

[maiden oracle]

Fair

[karmic badger]

Vigor is effectively pointless, excal survives via gating, or your circumvent, making shield and HP stats pointless

Also like, maybe farm corrupted mods?

[supple egret]

what should i take?

[hard dove]

right

[supple egret]

ty

[maiden oracle]

Lazy

[maiden oracle]

Ic
Who would be good to run the funny Hema mod on then

[novel bear]

Wisp

Inaros

Nidus

[karmic badger]

I mean if you can hit 720 HP, any frame

[novel bear]

Valkyr

[karmic badger]

But those with natural HP regen and high HP are better

I use it on oraxia

[novel bear]

Those who don’t need health mods to hit 720 hp, or those who are building for health anyways

[maiden oracle]

Ah that explains Wisp then

[hard dove]

besides health frame
nehza/uriel with archon vit

[novel bear]

I just put an unranked archon vit though to save space

[fierce lark]

highkey im subsuming off the umbral stuff from my umbra

[novel bear]

That is the better option
But I don’t care, I will healthtank with umbra

[maiden oracle]

Teach me the way

Anyways how does this look now

[late talon]

looks solid to me

[hard dove]

triumbral 🥀
works tho

[maiden oracle]

It works for now

Not like I'm taking this into levelcap or something

[late talon]

to walmart i guess then?

[maiden oracle]

Bringing Umbra to a Wendy's and asking what he wants

[late talon]

and you see ballas putting your order together

[fierce lark]

triumbral circumvent is a little sus

[knotty oyster]

is this worth getting for my prisma skana???

[late talon]

i use it

[knotty oyster]

hmmm

[hard dove]

no thats lower than normal pp and miles lower than co after like 3 stack

[knotty oyster]

ive been debating on picking this cuz i ranked up with new loka and i have both the prisma skana and the furis

[late talon]

with which frame do you plan to paly it?

play

[knotty oyster]

i was prob gonna plan on doing a melee frame like valkyr or kullervo(when i get him) but im not sure

i was just gonna use it for general use(and get the incarnon obvi)

[late talon]

oh boy its my time to shine

did you put the incarnon on it already? galvanized mods? i play it with valkyr and heavy attack with her sometimes, 1/4 B isnt unusual

[knotty oyster]

i plan on getting the incarnon when it goes in rotation

i have every galvanized mod for the melees(they arent ranked all the way cuz lack of endo and credits)

[late talon]

stage 8 is completely fine, i recommend bloodrush and gladiator set,3-4 minimum to get like 400-700% with inc

crit chance

[knotty oyster]

(i got into the game abt a month and 1/2 ago so i wasnt able to get it when it was on rotation last)

i do have bloodrush but dont have a single mod from the gladiator set iirc

[late talon]

thats alright, but skana is definetly a sleeper build, trust me, i was really suprised

[knotty oyster]

doesnt the gladiator mods come from cetus bounties?

[late talon]

yes they do

[karmic badger]

Unless you're doing weird tech with finishers, the skana is just a light spam weapon

[knotty oyster]

i like messing around with diff playstyles when it comes to melees

[late talon]

whats a light spam weapon?

[karmic badger]

Don't get me wrong tho, influence spam builds are hilariously effective for how little investment is needed

[knotty oyster]

like slam builds light spam

[karmic badger]

Hold e, win

[late talon]

what else is there to do? hold e with glaives to pick up my order? 😄

[karmic badger]

Glaives are heavy attack weapons

You're leveraging whatever forced proc or unique gimmick their explosion has

Falcor has guranteed electric, Glaive prime is guranteed slash, the coda pathocyst has little crawling propane tank bugs

[hard dove]

influence slop?

[late talon]

i think i used influence only once, never been a fan of it

[quiet laurel]

95% of melees are influence tbf

[karmic badger]

Pretty much

[knotty oyster]

ive been hearing a lot of ppl talk abt melee influence when it comes to melee arcanes

i dont have it at all lol

is it rlly that good??

[karmic badger]

Influence solves the biggest issue of melees, a lack of range

[quiet laurel]

its by far the best melee arcane for light attack melee weapons by a long shot

[karmic badger]

Influence is effectively 20m of range

[knotty oyster]

wait what?

[late talon]

if you need range...just use a ranged weapon? am i missing smth?

[knotty oyster]

that would be amazing on my wukong prime then

[quiet laurel]

20m + range of melee weapon

[late talon]

wukoung staff extends with combo

[quiet laurel]

yes, cause now you also have range on melee weapons and melee weapons have much better mods than primaries

[karmic badger]

Without range melees are completely outmatched in kill speed to guns

Like sure you can bonk 1 enemy, but a gun with either punch through or aoe will clear 5 at the same time

[quiet laurel]

influence also triple dips faction dmg so its just insane damage

[karmic badger]

Influence lets atlas 1 shot entire rooms lmao

[hard dove]

its oppresively good
so good that using influence on khora for example can bad since it kills so wide that enemies dont have time to dangle from strangledome

[karmic badger]

Real fun stuff

[knotty oyster]

wait so its so good that its bad cuz it kills too fast?

[quiet laurel]

the only thing that somewhat nerfs influence is a bug that makes one shots not spread influence

[hard dove]

the only arcane that can somewhat rival influence is exposure or afflictions on non light spam melee

[sour fulcrum]

so... is alternox prime a weak weapon?

[karmic badger]

Pretty much, khora wants enemies in her dome, if only so she can boost loot drops

[hard dove]

yes
at least for the case of khora for example

[karmic badger]

Yes, its a decorative weapon

[knotty oyster]

im currently crafting khora prime rn so i havent used her yet

and i dont have base khora so idk how her kit works

[sour fulcrum]

why exactly it's weak?

[karmic badger]

1. No headshot bonus
2. Low base stats
3. You can't use multishot on the alt fire

[knotty oyster]

i just heard shes a good frame and i like her design too

[hard dove]

just use fulmin for a midrange elec weapon

[karmic badger]

She's a farming frame mostly

[knotty oyster]

i just got it thru the fulmin battlekit thing that came out recently

its pretty good so far imo

[hard dove]

its a really good weapon that give me stockhold syndrom

expensive build

[karmic badger]

Its neat, i just don't like battery reloads

[hard dove]

battery recharge spd not affected by reload spd is mega dumb

[sour fulcrum]

i was trying to build it to prime electricity so gyre abiilities could benefit from it

[hard dove]

just use tazicor or something

or once again, fulmin

[mighty flare]

alternox is fine on gyre

[karmic badger]

Gyre only slightly fixes problem number 3

[knotty oyster]

this my current prisma skana setup(yes i will level elementalist when i have the chance) but the 2 empty slots i was planning on putting prob the bright purity and then a toxin mod

[sour fulcrum]

yeah bnut it wont tank SP solo, bosses, demolyshers etc. correct?

[karmic badger]

Pressure point and condition overload offer more damage tho?

[mighty flare]

sp solo and demos, yeah
bosses eh, better weapons for that

[knotty oyster]

so should i do like condition overload and toxin for the last 2 slots?

[karmic badger]

Yeah

[knotty oyster]

so it can proc viral

ok ok sounds good

[sour fulcrum]

can you teach me how would you mod it to, for example melt grineer eximus? ive been struggling with that

[knotty oyster]

considering almost everything is telling me not to get bright purity

what would be my best option to pick for my free item

i heard winds of purity is decent

[novel bear]

Winds of purity is situational

[karmic badger]

The furis has really good incarnon

[knotty oyster]

yeah i wanna get it

[novel bear]

Most frames don’t care about life steal

[knotty oyster]

it looks very cool and the furis was one of my first secondaries

[karmic badger]

I mean, persistence shenanigananery

[novel bear]

Most persistence frames have their own healing

And persistence is situational

Winds of purity is still probably the best loka weapon mod though

[mighty flare]

Yeah gimme a bit

[karmic badger]

Wouldn't it be like,

Galvanized Chamber
Galv aptitude
Crit delay
Vital sense
Cold mod
Toxin mod
P shred/speed trigger
???

Probably serration in the last slot

[mighty flare]

its ran on nourish gyre, she supplies: crit chance, viral, and status damage so can avoid modding but still want crit chance

magnetic is easy short cut to kill eximus but can be flex out for whatever if you have it externally

[karmic badger]

Ah, i keep thinking in terms of generalist builds

[mighty flare]

alternox is a hybrid weapon, you wouldnt want heavy viral anyway

[karmic badger]

Tru

[wintry olive]

guys i need help on rhino archon shard what you guys put and the mod does he need to balance on everything or what...im a bit confused with my build

[fierce lark]

can't go wrong with casting speed + strength or duration

[novel bear]

Rhino is pretty flexible with building

Generally you want strength for roar though

[wintry olive]

so...if i want to put nourish...i should play with iron clad or anything else...

[potent gorge]

Hey I uh need some help, im rank 9 and did all adventures up to Hex, my damage dropped a whole lot, and im getting destroyed by everyone, like they're lvl 100

[potent gorge]

I have 2 frames which are umbra and gauss prime (a friend got me gauss), I have no prime weapons or anything, I have a panzer vulpaphyla, but no good mods or anything, im still rather new and would like to be good at the game

[long portal]

since youre probably going to need to send a lot of screenshots of your builds and do a lot of back and forth, you should make a thread in #1197322290166251680

[potent gorge]

Im gonna get roasted by everyone 😭

[long portal]

people who want to help new players hang out in that channel, you can title it something about how youre having trouble with enemies in hollvania (? i assume thats where the trouble started)

[potent gorge]

Nah it started way before when I finished like the zariman adventure and I saw the lvls and well I wasn't competing very well

[long portal]

not how it generally goes around here lol, we know there is an influx of new players from wf android being released, you arent expected to know anything

yeah so be specific about where you started having trouble and send screenshots of your build

[potent gorge]

Will do and thanks

[orchid bane]

tenet arca plasmor build help for sp or level cap

[wintry olive]

anyone have any build idea how to build alternox prime or can share the build

[scarlet bramble]

good morning guys, anyone can share some jade builds to check on them?

[viscid bane]

Anybody got a good Primary/melee primer builds?

[fierce lark]

this is probably the best primary CO primer (gun is cedo prime) but if you're priming for a secondary, most of them are self-priming and you'll spend more time priming than you would just shooting them with the pistol

[cedar bridge]

Heyoo Looking for a good Yareli Build ❤️

[solar sequoia]

I got archgun deployer, and I wanna know, does its arcanes affect you, even if you're not launching the gun?

Like I have lakspur prime with 2 arcanes slotted, and the archgun deployer in gear wheel, but I haven't wielded the gun in a mission yet. Does its arcane have effect on me regardless?

[karmic badger]

Archgun arcanes are always in effect

The dexterity arcanes are the easiest to see

[solar sequoia]

For real???? Hot damm, now that's definitely a powerup

hella more flexibility ahead

follow up question, does it remain in effect if you get hit with gear wheel restriction in eta/eda?

[karmic badger]

Fairly sure yes

[solar sequoia]

Good to know...
thanks for the answer 👍

[slow trellis]

how do i mod my cedo prime? how should i forma it so i can perfectly fit all the mods i want? also what elements should i have on it?

viral? corrosive? smth else?

[thorn oak]

this is what i use