builds-discussion

[velvet pulsar]

Dante prime will take a lot of time

[winged nebula]

ya I did thought of it but i donno abt the mobility part

[fierce lark]

dante prime next year

if you want mobility and a nuke then gauss or uriel

can nezha nuke? haven’t played him her whatever femboy thing

[velvet pulsar]

Nezha can nuke.

[rose shoal]

What should i ad/Switch for my torid incarnon build

[compact cypress]

im just using that coz i dont have growing power lmao

preferably at least eta/eda levels so ill probably be needing adaptaion

i can actually fit the build if i make myself an umbral forma

[tawdry cargo]

im not gonna keep this but just look at that damage

[fierce lark]

firestorm and aptiude should go for heat and electric to make blast corrosive

scope is fine if you have external fire rate otherwise it should go for vile accel

[bold estuary]

His main build is nuking with his four augment and pyrotechnics/darkverse subsumed

[fierce lark]

how does he make either of those good

[velvet pulsar]

Does Negate prevent Self Stagger?

[fierce lark]

it prevents knockdown while it’s up, im not sure about stagger

[velvet pulsar]

I wanna know AoE can't give self stagger when using it

[fierce lark]

well it has a cooldown so if you’re spamming an envoy at your own feet you’re gonna be on the floor a lot

wouldn’t rely on it

[velvet pulsar]

Eh just occasional shot if I see a mob will be sufficient convincing.

And no envoy is pilotable

The real problem will be bouncing AoE that bounce back at ya

Like Latron, Miter, Tenet Tetra.

[bold estuary]

His augment multiples the damage of damaging statues and spreads them to everyone he spears then when it ends or you recast it he detonates them for all their damage he uses pyrotechnics super well because when an enemy is speared it’s considered ragdolled so each pillar hits each limb for like 20 heat procs per pillar

[velvet pulsar]

Same reason why Crescent Charge occasionally one-shots.

The ragdoll hitbox is wonky... in our favor.

[fierce lark]

ah lovely

[bold estuary]

If you do it right nezha nukes like a 40 meter area regardless of LOS

He’s a super good nuker

[velvet pulsar]

Pyrotechnics Yareli is both effective and conceptually funny build to pair it with her 4.

[velvet pulsar]

Neither the 4 nor Pyrotechnics is LoS?

[bold estuary]

The four isn’t pyrotechnics is but hitting one guy with 200 heat procs will set EVERYONE speared to 200 heat procs then you can detonate it for big damage

[velvet pulsar]

So the spread doesn't have LoS

[bold estuary]

The spread and the spears yeah

[velvet pulsar]

So your only LoS limitation is to have one enemy in ur visible range

[bold estuary]

Yes

[uneven portal]

Anyone voruna build please?

Nuke build

[mighty flare]

yo question do you have zylok incarnon, i heard it works like pyro with ragdolling

[winged nebula]

guys any one has octavia build for beginners

[hollow mirage]

how much damage am i supposed to be dealing with my magistar? it feels too weak against any enemy with armor, especially grineer

[fierce lark]

you should be oneshotting absolutely everything

[hollow mirage]

sp grineer say otherwise

[fierce lark]

240% corrosive elemental buff says "i dont care about grineer"

killing blow should be organ shatter unless you have a bunch of violet crit dmg shards

[pallid quiver]

Is the rad mod really necessary

[fierce lark]

it's not, and corrupt charge is required to hit incarnon form unless you're getting combo from aura

[hollow mirage]

see thats what i thought too but somehow im still lacking in damage wallahi im confused

im gonna try something new, maybe not the sac set but the galv set

[fierce lark]

don't do that

there's a few problems here that can easily be fixed

the first is you need corrupt charge somewhere

[pallid quiver]

Is the umbral set a must on magistar?

[fierce lark]

replacing focus radon and killing blow with corrupt charge & organ shatter should fix the build entirely

[hollow mirage]

Noted

[fierce lark]

galv PPP is better if you have no external crit damage

if you have any archon shards, or you're playing a frame with a crit damage buff, or you have something like tenacious bond, double sac is still good

[pallid quiver]

Galv ppp?

[fierce lark]

galvanized steel + primed pressure

[pallid quiver]

Ah

But for general use galv ppp prolly better?

[fierce lark]

i don't think it's reasonable to swap the builds around cause y'know, umbra forma

so i would just run double sac

[undone dust]

double nut sac

[undone dust]

so true king

[velvet sundial]

How do I balance out damage and survivability on a warframe

[late hemlock]

that is a very frame by frame thing

[fierce lark]

it varies extremely heavily, but generally you dedicate 1-2 mods or arcanes to a certain "type" of survivability and the rest goes into the stat distribution your frame wants

[hollow mirage]

dis da new build lets test it out

[fierce lark]

yeah that just looks like standard incarnon magistar

[hollow mirage]

yeah those 2 mods were the problem

thanks for the advice

[velvet sundial]

I’m new to the modding section but what are some types of survivability? Or should I just watch a YouTube video

[fierce lark]

oh man uhhh watching a video (hopefully someone who knows what they're talking about) would give you a better idea i think, but i can try to put it in a vacuum

[fierce lark]

there's health tanking, which is just using health pool, armor and damage reduction (adaptation/warframe abilities) to keep your health up high, and then healing with companions/health orbs. the best way to do this with 0 context is probably a combination of health conversion, adaptation and arcane blessing, but there's frames like grendel or oberon that can generate a lot of flat armor

there's shield tanking, which is just using a big shield (possibly with damage reduction) and shield regen mechanics (pillage, harrow's condemn, the full augur set + shield respite). outside of hildryn and harrow i don't recommend this

there's shield gating, which is like another version of shield tanking where you equip catalyzing shields and an augur mod or brief respite to constantly reset your 1.33 second shield gate by pressing an ability, or you let it regen passively by equipping vigilante vigor & fast deflection to lower your shield recharge delay. often used with arcane aegis and rolling guard, it's an effective way to proactively tank all the way up to level cap, but it does require very good energy economy

there's arcane persistence, where you build around having enough armor (700, or 1400 in case of heat procs) to activate the arcane, which limits your maximum damage taken to 500/s, and you have enough health and healing to keep yourself from bleeding out. another way to survive high level/levelcap content

there's my personal favorite, arcane circumvent, where you just roll through enemies to steal their armor/overguard/shields, and survive with just the arcane by itself (mainly through stealing overguard from eximus or thrax)

and there's straight invisibility/invulnerability from warframe abilities, which is pretty self-explanatory

[velvet sundial]

Idk if anyone ever told you but you are a goat

[fierce lark]

again that is very much "in a vacuum" and different frames can do their own versions of different things to survive, it would be better to adjust on a frame by frame basis

or you literally can just throw circumvent on every single frame in the game and clear all content by rolling through eximus as your only survivability

like im not exaggerating

i kind of am because i haven't actually done everything with it but i have gone up to like level 800 sp cascade with it still keeping my naked ivara alive while i was leveling it

the 3 piece combo of circumvent, melee careen and rolling guard makes surivivability a joke

[velvet sundial]

I should get paid for the kind of explaining I just did cuz that was prolly the most understandable anyone has been when I asked

U should*

[pallid quiver]

I mean if I didn’t have umbra forma on it

[pallid quiver]

I sometimes forget to roll through an eximus and then I just melt like butter 😭

[west radish]

any other mods reducing eff like blind rage?

[pallid quiver]

Now why would u want to reduce eff

[west radish]

shieldage

[pallid quiver]

I mean I think fleeting expertise?

Unless is neg dur

[west radish]

reduce not increase

forget it it would just waste more mod slots

[leaden slate]

Hello, I have a question about purple shards. Do I have to have electricity dmg on my primary to get that +30% electricity damage effect? Or will it add status as well?

I want to play Vauban using my primary and his 4, so am thinking about using second purple shard effect. Or would be first purple shard effect still worth it if I dont plan on using Vauban 3rd ability?

[west radish]

ye

[fierce lark]

it acts as a separate, 9th mod slot on your primary weapon

it will work as an electricity mod would, will combine with other mods and will work on its own

[wispy dock]

Has anyone got a wisp build that don’t use helminth

[leaden slate]

Thanks a lot, I didnt know that

[south mist]

What stats should I be looking for for a cedo riven

[fierce lark]

a different gun

cedo prime has like 0.55 disp, finding a riven worth slotting is almost impossible

i suppose for shotguns it's a little easier, toxin + any other two good stats and a harmless negative would be okay

fire rate, cc, cd, multishot

[hexed coyote]

(Right) is my new riven, how is it?

[burnt fossil]

should i take left or right ?

[hexed coyote]

Right

[undone dust]

crit phenmor 💔

[fierce lark]

left but both suck

[fierce lark]

comparable to toxic barrage, possibly slightly better

damage is a nothing stat on cedo

and honestly so is multishot since it runs both galv hell and primary blight

so it might even be worse

[hexed coyote]

@fierce lark Since I have this riven, should I level my chilling grasp to 120% cold damage instead of using that toxic + status chance mode?

[fierce lark]

and for context here - phenmor is a specifically a non-critting weapon, any crit variations are weaker than the devouring attrition build, which requires non-crits to activate. so crit is actively negative, and -crit is good

[fierce lark]

if you have primed chilling grasp, you should try to max it or at least get it to rank 8 and use it

[deep grotto]

could i just copy past my Trumna build onto a Stahlta or would i change some things?

[hexed coyote]

I have it r0 rn

[fierce lark]

primed elements are goated, worth the endo

all of them are, primed fever strike less so since most melees run influence

[hexed coyote]

@fierce lark Current build

[deep grotto]

granted it's for a friend but still

[random prawn]

Good Vauban Prime build? Should I also replace constituion for rolling guard?

[fierce lark]

vile acceleration is just better than speed trigger so you'd run that instead (stahlta has innate PT and doesn't need primed shred)

otherwise run 90 elements instead of 60 for raw dmg builds when you don't have a primed

[deep grotto]

would you do the same thing on the Stahlta or wha

[fierce lark]

yeah chilling reload is memes, you'd 100% run primed cold in that slot if you have it, and primed/charged shell instead of radiation

or corrosive+cold if you're fighting armor with no strip

[deep grotto]

i do i just haven't leveled it yet

[hexed coyote]

Cedo deals base elements by default so I don't focus on them

By glaive

[fierce lark]

it's not for the element, it's for the elemental damage

[hexed coyote]

Mhmmm

I see I see

I don't think I can max it yet, I only have 13k endo

[fierce lark]

cedo applies base elements with glaive priming, but that's not why you run primed charged shell & chilling grasp

big elemental damage number just = big damage, and you can rearrange them for damage bonuses/relevant status effects when possible. like corrosive + primed cold for grineer and scaldra, viral+electric for general use and unarmored corrupted, viral+heat for armored corrupted, etc

for the most part though it does enough damage with self-priming and viral stacks that you should be able to instagib anything in front of you from any faction with viral electric & primed elemental mods

[mighty flare]

yeah rolling guard would work over constitution, you could also use invis from companions or vazarin for survivability

[fierce lark]

magnetic strafe vs shotgun barrage im not too sure about, but i think shotgun barrage is generally better

[random prawn]

Using dethcube to help with energy and I'm using Unairu simply because of the kuva bramma self-stagger, I love me kuva bramma

[fierce lark]

maybe on cedo magnetic edges it slightly

[hexed coyote]

I see, although, I can only upgrade prime chilling grasp to have 60% cold damage, same as chillin reload

Should I forma?

[torpid pine]

guys can I get some build tips for the Sun & Moon

[fierce lark]

if that's what's stopping you from upgrading further then yes

[hexed coyote]

Mk mk, just replace chilling reload with primed chilling grasp yes?

[nocturne heron]

this any good? its sadly -damage to grineer

[bold estuary]

I can’t imagine so because -grineer damage and additional combo on a heavy spam glaive is bad

[mighty pollen]

My friend is new to wf and she likes titania, ive not rlly used her much. How do u guys keep her exalted state in longer missions?

[fierce lark]

yes

[versed harbor]

175% efficiency and just get kills basically

u dont rly need much but you could run the spellbind augment or equilibrium or w/e

[mighty pollen]

Equilibrium, dur, eff, that enough?

[late hemlock]

Don't forget seismic bond can help with efficiency

[versed harbor]

you dont even need much duration tbh 175 efficiency will cap the drain and her other stuff doesnt rly care for duration

and ye if u do get seismic it can save you a mod slot

[mighty pollen]

Cool cool thx

[deep kernel]

Anyone can help me with a build for nezha?

[narrow granite]

time to cause some friendly damage :3

[bold estuary]

I was gonna put vital sense in the last slot but is this the right idea with the vadarya? im assuming the lightning counts as whatever shot I get (headshot on headshots body on bodys)

[narrow granite]

YES

with that much CC, obvious call to make.

[deep grotto]

Hrm
So how exactly does one mod the Stahlta

Given that it’s basically the Boltor but Corpus

[fierce lark]

same way you mod most things, but it's multico so you replace your lone element with serration and shred with vile accel (innate PT)

[deep grotto]

Should i just copy and paste my build for the Telos Boltor onto it?

[narrow granite]

is better than boltor

[deep grotto]

Oh seriously?

[fierce lark]

think stahlta is one of the best non-incarnon rifles

but boltor prime has an incarnon so idk

[deep grotto]

Yeah i run telos boltor incarnon

[narrow granite]

then even steven

[deep grotto]

I slurped up a build off Zenosfire (with minor adjustments since i have no maxed primed mods)

So could i just apply this to Stahlta but change it up a bit?

Didn’t know it was multico

[fierce lark]

basically the same build, but doesn't the boltor also have innate punch through?

[deep grotto]

The build runs primed shred

[fierce lark]

oh no it doesn't

[deep grotto]

Zenosfire moment ig

[fierce lark]

zenosfire is the builder of all time but the build looks about right

[deep grotto]

I guess bro just wanted more punch through for some reason

[fierce lark]

i will say based shred kinda sucks

[deep grotto]

Yeah i heard

[fierce lark]

nono the boltor doesn't have any base pt, primed shred is good

[deep grotto]

Oh oka

[fierce lark]

the stahlta has 1.2 base pt though so pshred is optional if you want giga nails, i would take vile acceleration over it

i do think that if you don't have primed shred and the gun has no innate PT, you should run either rifle elementalist or metal auger/vigilante offense and outsource fire rate your companion/warframe arcane/ability

or semi-rifle cannonade if it's an option

then you don't need fire rate xd

[forest pivot]

Do I need overextended and what can I replace with archon vitality

[narrow granite]

augur message imo and nah better augur reach for overshielding 😄

[forest pivot]

Gotcha

I alr got shield nades for infinite shields tho

[deep grotto]

Remind me what PT means

[narrow granite]

tru, but no negative power str

[fierce lark]

punch through

[forest pivot]

Yeah ur right

[deep grotto]

Oh

[forest pivot]

I definitely don't need 70m range on artillery lmao

[deep grotto]

Well now i feel dumb lmao

[mighty flare]

augur set & brief respite can overwrite her 1's long shieldgate, you generally want to avoid them
protea doesn't need that much range either way
you alr got lots of duration so augur message can be dropped

[forest pivot]

Doesn't artillery damage scale with duration

I figured I'd want lots of duration

[hot prawn]

It was supposed to be a meme build (Gyre juggler) and now these things do damage based on the enemy's health...

[mighty flare]

you're using temporal artillery which caps the damage scaling, and although you can still get another stationary turret, i'm assuming you're relying on the mobile turret?

if you cared about duration, i wouldnt use transient

[forest pivot]

Im relying on both tbh

The mobile turret is nice qol mostly

[analog linden]

what should i focus on for building dagath? also, do her horses count as summona for things like arcane camisado

[mighty flare]

high strength, duration with augment, range/qol without it

[sly island]

Uhm guys do my build okay cuz I don't have some op mods for my soma:/

[analog linden]

k

[sly island]

Just wondering yk

[mighty flare]

also no on camisado

[analog linden]

alr

[bold estuary]

does xata zephry need actual strength? my no helmith uses negative strength but I imagine that wont work with xatas

[mighty flare]

you could then swap transient with blind rage which frees up augur message for archon vitality since its about same duration

[forest pivot]

Idk I like the efficiency though

[coarse gorge]

For the Cedo Prime, should I build Gas or Blast?

For general usage

[fierce lark]

neither

viral+electricity

[obsidian stratus]

is it possible to hit damage cap with yareli + roar with phenmor no crit build? i have 5.8% crit chance build with phenmor rn but i don't if a crit build would be better for this situation

[coarse gorge]

How come?

[fierce lark]

viral good

electricity good

primed elemental damage very good

gas bad because i think it loses all of your base damage mods when its host target dies, so it's kinda niche

on top of being generally bad on low base dmg weapons

blast elec is probably perfectly fine

more aoe if you don't need the damage from viral

but i think viral elec would be more consistent

[near vortex]

With a Xatas build you do high strength high duration min range subsume over 2, unless you sacrifice duration to keep range and subsume over 1

If you subsume over 2 you actually don't need range at all

[coarse gorge]

I have a hound for viral procing. Why elec tho?

[fierce lark]

thats pretty much the main reason

if you don't own it you can use heat instead, or elec still, elec is generally good

[bold estuary]

But her 2 is the only way to lift with her augment on her four can I not subsume over her 1?

Oh I’m silly and misread mb

[near vortex]

I was gonna say

I literally spelled it out xD

[fierce lark]

i am marginally curious about a nourish/external viral corrosive blast cedo

[near vortex]

You don't need to lift for funnel clouds

The spread works regardless last I checked

[fierce lark]

i should build my cedo actually it's an insane gun that i haven't used yet

[coarse gorge]

Can I use the 60/60 mod instead?

[bold estuary]

For it to hit everything and do the xatas stuff you do don’t you?

Like if they aren’t lifted they don’t take damage from every tornado but just the tornado they are near

[fierce lark]

when you're running pure elec for the dot you want to be running the 90 version of it and 60 versions of the other elements (or 165 cold if you have it)

if you do have 165 cold i would actually run corrosive+cold using 60/60 toxin elec

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-shame-ringing-bell-walk-of-shame-gif-13316112511080767236

[fierce lark]

logofgifs has joined chat

[modern vale]

What about Viral + Heat? Or does it depend on the weapon?

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/rebecca-ford-rebecca-tongue-tongue-out-tongue-sticking-out-gif-6229561104588923290

[fierce lark]

heat is good against armor if elec is taking awhile to kill them

or good against like bosses/demos

[near vortex]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter

Acid Shells still deletes everything if I kill one guy

[bold estuary]

I’m not using the sobek though I wanted to use my vadarya

[near vortex]

Have you used Xatas Sobek Zephyr?

[modern vale]

Oh got it
Btw i did my first SP mission. The build that you recommend to me worked, ngl, I even killed the Acolyte easily

[near vortex]

Highly recommend it if you have not

[modern vale]

In the case, for Caliban

[fierce lark]

awesome

have fun spinning your way through the entire sp chart because razor gyre is broken

[bold estuary]

I don’t care for the sobek but I have one with acid shells just to own one

[modern vale]

I will xD

BUT I will need Dante eventually

Infested >>> Caliban

[modern vale]

Or Rhino or any Warframe with decent armor or survivability

[near vortex]

Funnel clouds is better with weapons that have large AoEs
I don't imagine it being bad with Vadarya but one Acid Shells kill hitting 12 tornados is very balanced

[coarse gorge]

Problem is that I don't have any of the 165 elemental mods for shotgun

[gilded spoke]

My build vid is up if anyone wants a powerful SP chroma build

[coarse gorge]

Tho I might try Viral Heat because of Blaze.

Or Blast Tox to run Primary Blight.

[fierce lark]

that's fine, just run 60/60 corrosive mods + heat, or viral heat

blaze is absolutely terrible don't do that

you don't need toxin to run blight on the cedo, the altfire applies toxin

[coarse gorge]

Oh right.

I forgot about the alt fire

But why not Blaze?

[fierce lark]

both the passive and galvanized savvy stack base damage that scale with the amount of statuses on each target, which after pressing altfire is going to be a lot

blaze is adding 60% base damage onto what is going to likely be at least 420% already, very minor

(420 is assuming 3 statuses which is turbo lowballing)

[coarse gorge]

Ah, I see.

[fierce lark]

you'd benefit more from the extra 30% heat

[coarse gorge]

noted.

Ts would pair well with my horsey

[fierce lark]

anything that can crit pairs well with horsey

[blazing finch]

What a good ability to subsume on Excalibur for wrathful advance

[coarse gorge]

I think his 1st?

[fierce lark]

radial howl or radial javelin, depending on if you use the augment

[near vortex]

2

[coarse gorge]

oh yeah 2 nvm I forgot what Excal does.

[near vortex]

Most Excal players run the 3 augment

If you don't use the 3 augment subsume over 3

[blazing finch]

Yea I’m useing his 3rd augment

[fierce lark]

some dont like it, it's an insane dmg increase but it's moderately annoying to use and you might not need more dmg

[near vortex]

You don't really lose your 2 anyway when you subsume over it

[fierce lark]

if you are using it toss 2

[near vortex]

Slide attack casts 2 regardless of subsume iirc

[fierce lark]

it does a weaker version of it yeah

[fierce lark]

excal's 1 is one of the best buttons in the game tbh

it's a dash, which attacks with his exalted weapon, while being immune for its duration, and being a very cheap shield gate button

[velvet pulsar]

I have the incarnon genesis, but neither zylok nor prime.

I see it's a hitscan AoE in incarnon. IDK if that's the trigger for it to work.

[cobalt token]

Quick question does the Vitrica's unique trait count for Melee Careen's bonus damage? Like ot would count as a frozen enemy?

[velvet pulsar]

That's a good question. Gotta test it. If the conditions are similar to Arcane Ice Storm, it is possible.

[bold estuary]

I think I hit most of the marks I wanted to?

[karmic badger]

Dont be seen : invisibility
Don't get hit : evasion and parkour
Don't take damage : invincibility and damage reduction
Don't die: revive mechanics like Nokko's mushrooms and Last Gasp

[deep grotto]

by lone you mean the 90% element mod?

[fierce lark]

yeah

you want base damage instead of the extra 90 element because of multi aptitude scaling

you don't need serration cause you have deadhead, but it allows for consistency in case you have trouble building stacks

[deep grotto]

just tryna try and think of the build here
So like
Serration
CD and CC
maybe 2 6060's for viral?
vile accel or shred
Although im giving this to a friend to get him more confident in his damage but i have to guide him through it cause modding gives him a headache

so
he does not have deadhead but i can help him get most of the mods

[fierce lark]

90 90 viral, or primed cryo + 60 tox

[deep grotto]

oka

how would i budget this if he doesn't have primed elementals

[fierce lark]

run both 90s if no primed

you can run regular cryo and 60 toxin if you don't have space for 90 tox and are thinking ahead

[deep grotto]

i see

i can probably get him a rime rounds if that changes anything

is there a primed tox rifle mod?

seems not

[fierce lark]

no

[deep grotto]

yeahhh

ah well

[fierce lark]

this is what i would tell him to build until he can get primed cryo, 5 forma total

and then when you get primed cryo you swap infected clip and vile acceleration, then you replace infected clip for malignant force and add in primed cryo

[hushed marlin]

So I wanted to build a Persistence Nekros. Is that even actually worthwhile?

the base armor on Nekros is bad

[deep grotto]

alright ty

[fierce lark]

the finished build would look like this, same amount of forma

[deep grotto]

for the time being it may have to be budgeted like this
empty slot being for the fire rate

[fierce lark]

this is also an option against grineer and scaldra with no external strip, but it suffers from the aforementioned "needing to stack up deadhead"

[deep grotto]

he's
unfortunately not played the game as thoroughly as you'd hope so he doesn't have a lot of stuff
so, when he gets to a roadblock he gets frustrated because he doesnt have what he needs to get stronger
and then gets angry at himself for not doing things earlier

doesnt help that he's scared of high level missions because of his low strength

[fierce lark]

im not sure why he'd get mad about not doing things "earlier", there's 0 competitive aspect to this game

[gilded spoke]

Anyone?

[fierce lark]

outside of speedrunning lol

[deep grotto]

self esteem issues (he thinks people will consider him dead weight)
and the grind
which always persists but yk

probably gets overwhelmed a bit too
which is fair
There's... a LOT of stuff in this game lmao

[fierce lark]

if grinding is a dealbreaker, warframe is not the game

feeling useless is something that happens to everyone when you're joining groups and you don't have optimized builds

honestly the best way to get past the "useless" feeling is realizing that pubs are usually a kpm contest and nobody cares what you're doing lol

[deep grotto]

yeah ive been trying to tell him that lmao

specifically a "teammates don't even pay attention to each other lol"

[fierce lark]

i have a pretty healthy mixture of having 10% of the kills and having 50% of them in 4 player lobbies, and in all cases it makes absolutely no difference

if the mission is being progressed who cares

[deep grotto]

but the reason why he's had these shortcomings is because he'd exclusively do star chart because he hyperfixiates on the flashing nodes

like
he would do NOTHING else

[fierce lark]

this is good

[mighty flare]

nekros would need flat health & armor to make persistence work, it's easier to tank with drs from adaptation and shield of shadows

[fierce lark]

completing starchart unlocks steel path, which unlocks arcanes, which is an extremely heavy power source for weaponms

[deep grotto]

i mean yeah clearing star charts good but there's a lot more to this game than that
i managed to wean him off the node clearing obsession once he started getting too upset at his damage

[sterile yoke]

Hey i am new

[deep grotto]

mainly by telling him steel path existed actually

[hushed marlin]

I had this vision with Persistence which yeah it's just not it

[deep grotto]

but now im yapping too much about him

thanks for the help saryn

[hushed marlin]

The health pool isn't the issue it's the fact you have to sac 2 shards for armor to hit 750

[fierce lark]

tell him to do what he wants, and if he starts getting tilted about something just try to focus on whatever specifically he's losing it over

[sterile yoke]

I'm looking for people to play some missions with me and stay online with me for a long time.

[fierce lark]

#squad-recruitment

[gilded spoke]

Lookin for builds since you posted in the wrong everlovin channel llol

[karmic badger]

I occasionally carry a ludicrous single target weapon just to dominate the damage ratio, even if I'm 1 or 2 orders of magnitude below others in kills

[fierce lark]

that was me for a long time

barely any kills but 99% damage dealt all mission because im playing magistar saryn

or jat kittag afflictions

[half frost]

Any Vauban mains have tips to upgrade this build? Mostly just been having issues with enemies not dropping life support in techrot survival

[narrow granite]

hmm, I think my caked kitten is good to go :-?

[nocturne spindle]

Careen is an interesting choice

I usually go exposure

[narrow granite]

I woulda used duplicate, but dont have it, nor exposure

[nocturne spindle]

At least exposure is easier to get

Just run sanctum bounties for standing

[narrow granite]

oh

never seen it in bounties

they be a bit fishy, yk

[nocturne spindle]

Oh it has a chance to drop but I was mostly referring to buying it from bird 3

Hence why I specifically mentioned standing

[narrow granite]

to be honest, I barely looked at bird's shop...keep seeing it as a kfc menu

[daring summit]

anyone got a good, survivable chesa kubrow?

[nocturne spindle]

Wish my chesa could survive longer too, keeps eating dust when things get hectic

[daring summit]

yeah, my worst part is that this is specific for an EDA where i get to use dante, so the defensive links wont work well

[nocturne spindle]

Why bring a chesa into eda?

[fierce lark]

that is certainly a collection of mods and arcanes

[mighty flume]

should i change the galvanized scope for the aptitude

[narrow granite]

wat cha mean

it do be needin more forma, to get prime sf instead of sf but other than that hmm

[fierce lark]

the claws build looks like it was made in like 2020, when galvanized mods didn't exist and valkyr was just a walking slide attack

[narrow granite]

Is there even a galvanized mod that is worth to get it on the claws?

[fierce lark]

valkyr nowadays benefits from a pretty standard 12x toxposure/influence build

[narrow granite]

cuz I shore as shit dont see one

[eternal ginkgo]

what arcanes would y'all recommend for vauban?

[patent fern]

My mesa isnt hitting juicy dopamine red crits what is wrong with my abysmal build? Using archon vitality for pistols and archon continuity just because, but with hot shot fully stacked im still not red critting

[daring summit]

.......... you have an excellent point

[fierce lark]

it depends largely on whether/not you have blood rush, but ive never seen a claws build not have it, and galvanized steel is infinitely better than sac steel on any build running 12x combo blood rush

[undone dust]

im going to run 12x combo blood rush on you

[velvet pulsar]

It's time for Raksa

[fierce lark]

220% crit chance is nothing compared to the 440% you get from blood rush, and galv steel offers much more beneficial crit damage in addition to its crit chance

you're also missing any version of organ shatter, maiming strike is a meme, and magnetic rush is pretty useless since you have giga attack speed already from war cry

[daring summit]

which companion is best primer these days? panzer?

[narrow granite]

yeah just realized after I sent the ss no org shat and changed that

[velvet pulsar]

Either Panzer or Hound

[fierce lark]

diriga with arc coil for melee, hounds or a sentinel with tazicor for gunplay

panzer is not a super consistent primer, hits kinda slow and tends to go off and do his own thing

[velvet pulsar]

Also put Protector Posture on Panzer claws for adding Puncture priming.

[daring summit]

which posture are you using?

[fierce lark]

frenzied

the one where he tries to switch targets between hits

[daring summit]

yeah, frenzied. which my brain keeps trying to read as "Friendzoned" and i dont know why, not near enought letters.
Second question, are there particular bonds that make a companion a better primer? like im thinking momentous and duplex

[nocturne spindle]

For kubrows especially there's the mecha set

[velvet pulsar]

Frenzied also increases status duration but that also means you don't have a close range limit on Panzer which means it'll go prime even far enemies

Protector Posture limits Panzer range to 15m

[daring summit]

would hunter command also work for helping limit range? or too much conflict with frenzied "AI"

[velvet pulsar]

Manifold Bond for Hound is compulsory

Duplex Bond for Tazicor primers

[velvet pulsar]

Probably Hunter Command will override "Friendzoned" AI.

[fierce lark]

manifold for everything to reduce precept cooldowns, also turns offensive precepts into primers

[velvet pulsar]

Momentous will add a new element to that priming on eximus kill.

[fierce lark]

if you have manifold bond equipped, and you have a precept that does damage/applies a status, every cast of that precept will apply all statuses on the equipped weapon guaranteed every time

which means every time diriga does arc coil or any sentinel does coolant leak, and you have a burst laser or laser rifle equipped with like viral+heat+magnetic+radiation

every single ability cast is applying 8 statuses to all enemies afflicted

[velvet pulsar]

There's also Astral Bond if you wanna spread bubbles everywhere, requires to press 5 and start attacking with amps so could be useful during Last Gasp survivability because their own bullets will redirect to them.

[fierce lark]

thats why diriga is the nuts for melee condition overload priming

also burst laser/laser rifle prime or prisma laser get enough crit chance to run tenacious bond for an extra flat +1.2x crit damage

[velvet pulsar]

Recommend one is any upgraded burst lazer variant

U can outsource some extra buffs from it

[fierce lark]

base burst laser isn't enough, has to be prime/prisma

personally i run panzer 90% of the time because it literally just does everything

double loot procs
good damage
supplementary viral priming
reinforced bond
tenacious bond
several layers of cheat death
basically immortal bc of deevolution

[velvet pulsar]

I hope u aren't using Panzer Devolution anymore.

[fierce lark]

🙃

[velvet pulsar]

It's outdated.
Loyal Companion with Momentous Bond is better

Because Momentous Bond cannot skip the 30s cooldown of Devolution mods.

[fierce lark]

im aware of that

[velvet pulsar]

Meanwhile Momentous Bond + 3 eximus kills means you've refreshed Martyr Symbiosis immediately.

Or better than that, if u have the parazon mod which reduces companion cooldown, then 2 eximus mercy kills.

[daring summit]

how do i, idk what the proper term is, bookmark a portion of a conversation?

[fierce lark]

most of the reason im running it is as a buff stick, when it dies i don't get those buffs anymore until it comes back, seems silly

plus there's no primed medi-pet kit like there is a primed regen for sentinels, so you're waiting extra long on the revive

it's not like eximus are everywhere

either or is fine, but i think it's a little reductive to call either or "better", there's a strong argument to be made both ways

[velvet pulsar]

Eximus not spawning enough is rather a good thing because then that means you're enjoying several other advantages.

"CC is dead" becomes irrelevant.

[daring summit]

ok, so based on advice im getting - i think this will work

[fierce lark]

i think loyal companion is genuinely useless

or like, very close to useless

[velvet pulsar]

Bad order

You'll almost never proc Loyal Companion

The priority order goes from top left corner to right, then bottom left corner to right.

[daring summit]

i get that, but loyal isnt a precept. and its the only one on the "my health below X" trigger

so does it really matter?

[fierce lark]

lets think about it for a sec

it literally is useless unless you're health tanking

and you have to be health tanking at a level where you can get hit to below 35% hp without either being dead already or dying to a status proc

[silk escarp]

I'm building Garuda as a weapon platform and I just cannot get the Strun Prime Incarnon down. I'm old, my aim is trash, but even on def weakpoint hits, it's barely charging.

So I'm swapping to my Soma Prime Incarnon. Question: is it worth pushing her 420 armor to 450 with a mod slot for this, over the Slash OG (I don't need) and losing +2 base damage:

[daring summit]

see, there you go making heckin good sense.

[novel bear]

It’s good with martyr symbiosis and the vasca revive
That’s about it

[daring summit]

@fierce lark so what would you put in its place?

[velvet pulsar]

If that's ur issue then u must not be using Martyr Symbiosis either.

[fierce lark]

i am tho

[velvet pulsar]

Then Loyal Companion is useful

[novel bear]

Martyr symbiosis or a retriever mod

Or animal instinct

[velvet pulsar]

Reason is Loyal Companion makes ur Panzer invulnerable, when Martyr Symbiosis procs, it DOESN'T kill Panzer.

So forget dead, Devolution mod doesn't get a chance to proc in the first place.

[fierce lark]

unless loyal companion procs before martyr symbiosis on 1shots, and saves the panzer from dying, i dont see how it's useful

and even if that is true, loyal companion has a full minute cooldown lol

[velvet pulsar]

See now I've reduced the points to "if" and "else" than guarantees.

[novel bear]

Pack leader is better for symbiosis, but loyal companion works if you’re not using a melee

[daring summit]

i love this discussion and want it to continue, but the reality of my situation is that this is to be used with dante, if my health is moving AT ALL, i've messed up.

[velvet pulsar]

They've patched Pack Leader preventing Martyr Symbiosis one-shots.

[fierce lark]

i just use tek assault honestly

i'll try loyal over deevolution next time im on

[novel bear]

Unfortunate

[novel bear]

Animal instinct or retriever

Both, really

[fierce lark]

please perma run resourceful retriever it is beyond op

[velvet pulsar]

I have a great build that packs a lot of stuff but unfortunately the Warframe Companion app doesn't show my Panzer mod loadout unless I had it equipped.

[daring summit]

K, hows this looking

does resourcefull do ammo too?

[velvet pulsar]

My build doesn't use Duplex, Tek Assault, and Contagious Bond.

Everything else is same (except mine uses Primed Animal Instinct instead of base)

[daring summit]

ran out of mod cap.

[velvet pulsar]

Instead of these 3, mine uses Resourceful Retriever, Loyal Companion, and Martyr Symbiosis.

I just realised I stopped using Synth Deconstruct
Oh well.

I'll use some other way out of the vast sea of energy.

[daring summit]

ok, new question: for EDA - kuva sobek, kuva kohm, or 0 forma acceltra prime?

[narrow granite]

I wish tesla bank was one of those augments that go into eximus slots T_T

[fierce lark]

all good, obviously will want to forma the acceltra and actually build it

[silver oar]

How do you get pistol prestilence and uh scorch?

[velvet dock]

Whats better for profit taker ?

[bold estuary]

Is there a frame that uses vadarya better than a normal weapons platform frame? I tried it with gyre and dagath and it felt good just not super insane but the weapons really cool so I wanna try and use it in a setup where it’d excel

[fierce lark]

pestilence should be a drop randomly from corrupted Vor in void missions, scorch is from a spy but i dont remember which

the like 5 highest level spy missions

you have to get all 3 vaults

[bold estuary]

Kuva spy B rotation

I know because I did not get that shit and had to buy it after about 20 runs

[silver oar]

thank you!

[fierce lark]

oh yeah it's 2/3 vaults from kuva spy, 3/3 from the other 4

the highest chance is from kuva spy 2/3

unfortunately kuva spy has the downside of being CBT

[bold estuary]

3/3* spy’s are all 3 vaults for B cycle no detection for C cycle

But yeah kuva spy is awful it’s like a mandatory 5 mins per even when you learn the three vaults because there’s so many animations for the a/b vault

[fierce lark]

oh im on the stuff wtf

you can't even complete a mission with 1/3 lol

[bold estuary]

I think it’s a genuine 5 hacks for ONE vault puzzle in one of the rooms it’s awful

[sick rivet]

anyone got any good vauban builds

[lilac basin]

anyone have a good build for kuva sobek on uriel

[lavish herald]

any one got a good wu kong prime build?

[fierce lark]

put blaze in the last slot if you have it, otherwise clip delegation is prob fine

or any fire rate mod if you have neither

[karmic badger]

Single element builds always make me iffy

Like a reflex ick

[fierce lark]

it works better than avg with heat because heat procs add compounding damage

and just like acid shells saryn/cyte, you're just looking for a single kill with the 3 passive buff to set off the chain reaction

[lilac basin]

do I need a cold base on this

[fierce lark]

you could add PCR to make blast but i dont think that would help the single target, which is the only thing that matters, acid shells will take care of the nuking

[fierce lark]

no, ideally you either have heat or a non-combining

i haven't tested but i don't think blast is better than pure heat

[karmic badger]

Blast is for when you don't have acid shells

[lilac basin]

is there a way to make toxic work until I can get a heat base

[astral tinsel]

viral raw damage crit build?

[fierce lark]

pretty much any other shotgun with an augment in the flex slot

corrocold might be better vs large corrupted

hotshot unfortunately doing things

[coral crest]

More like hotshit

[fierce lark]

it's a lot slower than the saryn/oraxia/cyte toxin shard turbocharged acid shells but same concept

though unlike the former i think the damage ramps higher with each enemy, not positive

but yeah same idea on uriel just with heat instead of toxin

if i had blaze it would be doing more as well

[green forge]

Yo I got 3 regal aya left and I kinda wanna get one of the current prime ressurgence weapons? anyone have any thoughts on the Baza prime or akjagara prime?
I guess theres the latron prime for the incarnon

I heard the akjagara might be a good contender for the new radiation status aoe arcane

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

The top tier primaries r evergreen so u don’t have to worry. Latron is great but u will like Burston & Torid Incarnons a lot better and easier to use

Same goes for secondaries. Nukor, Ocucor, Laetum, Lex r evergreen

Maybe u can try to get Sicarus. It’s a really good incarnon

[fierce lark]

latron hits diff

[cold burrow]

What do yall think about xata over jades 3. How will that interact with her 1st augment. Or do I just go roar

[coral crest]

Do... Do you really need roar on jade

[cold burrow]

Tryna boost the augments damage

Like that being the main source of my overall damage. I understand this may not be the most optimal way to build her but it something i would like to try

Also xata makes her beams go all wonky, idk how to explain

[coral crest]

Hm

[fierce lark]

idk i subsumed over her 4 and play giga strength roar + deathbringer

or funny perma shield

[cold burrow]

Dumb question, does armor reduce damage from heat procs?

[neat harbor]

Heat procs reduce armor

So kinda yes but at the same time no

[umbral knoll]

I don't have Primary Arcane Slot shown in Phantasma Prime, while Ignis Wraith has this feature.. Is it possible?

Phantasma Prime vs Ignis Wraith on the images

[cold burrow]

That's not supposed to happen

[umbral knoll]

That's what i thought

[cold burrow]

Reset game

[umbral knoll]

didn't help

tried asking gpt, nothing

[cold burrow]

How interesting

If it means anything I currently have primary crux on mine atm. I'm not sure of any restrictions when applying an adapter. Even if you don't have one it will simply display as locked

[umbral knoll]

btw, adapter is acquired ONCE for every weapon, or I need to do every weapon have an adapter separately?

I mean, not paying 20 plat, but having this shown

[cold burrow]

Every individual weapon needs its own

You can buy them for 15 steel essence i believe from teshin at any relay

[umbral knoll]

yep, but no steel path for now

I need to definitely do it as fast as possible

[cold burrow]

Never the less, it should always display as locked regardless, fact that it's not even there is weird

[umbral knoll]

Yes, very weird.. I had that issue once, but don't know how I fix that, i just don't remember

I bought Arcane equipment segment from Duviri shop at the dormizone.. It may be bugged with it?

common Braton also doesn't have this arcane slot..

should it have?

[cold burrow]

Everything should

[umbral knoll]

whyyyy meee?

😭

[cold burrow]

Mind you ive had steel path since they dropped it. So idk if your locked out cuz of that

[umbral knoll]

will do steel path then.. Let's see

[keen quartz]

Um I kinde need help building my Uriel (I’m still a baby Tenno I came back after a while)

[fair swan]

Does anyone have a ember prime buld

[bitter sinew]

Should i keep rolling?

[late hemlock]

can always be on the lookout for a 3rd positive but the question is if you wanna keep wasting time rolling

this is good enough to just use

[astral tinsel]

you shouldn't see weapon arcane slots until you unlock SP

how did you get that ignis?

[umbral knoll]

I just crafted it..

[astral tinsel]

huh

[umbral knoll]

And @astral tinsel this message

the same place where you buy kullervo schemes

[astral tinsel]

oh

you got a primary adapter for 25 pathos clamps?

[umbral knoll]

exactly!!!

[astral tinsel]

well that explains it, it'd be a bummer if it didn't let you use it

but the locked slots stay hidden until you unlock SP

[umbral knoll]

OK, so just don't worry and reach steel path, ok

[odd dome]

with 1999 calendar now im sure most people see them before SP

but i also don't have any idea when unlocks these days lmao

[astral tinsel]

you have to complete all mission nodes up to TNW

[celest thicket]

I didnt even knew you could buy it with pathos clamps

25 seems like a lot for a primary arcane adapter

[astral tinsel]

it's not a great deal

[celest thicket]

2 runs of duviri on steel path

Or 3 in normal path

[astral tinsel]

a bit better with isleweaver

[velvet pulsar]

U can staight up compare the value of steel essence with Pathetic Champs.

[celest thicket]

Wait isleweaver gives pathos?

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah

[celest thicket]

Never noticed

[velvet pulsar]

The best farm

[celest thicket]

Man i might never touch duviri ever again...

[astral tinsel]

it's still duviri

just... yeah

[velvet pulsar]

Worse
It's 2 boss fights with 3 bosses.

Just via 6 decrees.

At least no Drifter combat.

[celest thicket]

I find oraxia more fun than the snake

The first section of the snake is not hard but a bit glitchy

[astral tinsel]

wyrm would be fine if the rings weren't so tanky for no good reason

[velvet pulsar]

Surprising
This community voted orowyrm as favorite boss fight

I personally voted Grofit Maker for that.

[celest thicket]

Oh i dont hate it, i still like it, im just a oraxia fan

[velvet pulsar]

Perhaps this is also because Orowyrm provides pity imperators if things don't work out.

[celest thicket]

My favorite boss fight is the sargeant, such intricate mechanics

[velvet pulsar]

True, the only boss on whom u can deal stealth finisher.

Quite challenging to pull off.

[celest thicket]

But seriously, its the tank, i know people hate effervon tank, but i find it cool asf

[velvet pulsar]

Which one?

The "hard mode" one or the regular SP one?

Coz the hard mode one has more mechanics and problems.

[celest thicket]

Depends if im feeling suicidal on that day

[velvet pulsar]

If you feel that, I have an advice.

[celest thicket]

Hard mode effervon tank can be fun, but its mostly a mess imo

[velvet pulsar]

"On the brink of death, yet immortal:

https://youtu.be/kasR3HwskR4?si=HMeObCSbYoY3_gSL

"Couch Potato Oberon"

[celest thicket]

Sometimes i wonder how people did the hard effervon tank solo for the glyphs

[velvet pulsar]

• Lay down on the ground and shoot it until the job is done.

You can't die if you're in bleedout.

"What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger."

[low leaf]

I have a question, is the granmu prism, klebrik scaffold and lohrin brace good for an amp?

[velvet pulsar]

Nope.

[celest thicket]

Comment section says it was fixed 😭

Max is 3-4 min now

[velvet pulsar]

Yes, I was the one who wrote that.

[low leaf]

what would you recommend for a good amp build?

[celest thicket]

Oh lol

[velvet pulsar]

Sacrifice still gonna help anyway.

[celest thicket]

X47 in my opnion

[velvet pulsar]

Any prism of your choice with Phahd Scaffold and Certus Brace.

I'd recommend Cantic Prism

Though if u wanna pull off some funny continuous damage, then a high status chance prism to proc the void bubble and then shoot phahd shot into it.

[low leaf]

thank you, I know literally nothing when it comes to building amps

[celest thicket]

If you dont have access to vox solaris yet , the very first amp is still quite capable

[velvet pulsar]

Phahd and Lohrin still available from Cetus anyway.

[celest thicket]

True

[fair swan]

Does anyone have a ember prime buld

[night laurel]

wanted to ask here about why my reconifex build was falling off 40m into starchart cascade then i realized i slotted in an unranked 60/60 🤦

[heady veldt]

Question; is this riven really gonna kill the gun stats when the beam weapon is constantly refreshing said "duration" and kills faster than the statuses applied could?

[old marsh]

Ye

SD is a bad negative

[late hemlock]

if you are using it for lower level content like base steel path farming then yeah this is a good riven as it will help you kill with straight up raw damage

but for mobs that live more than a second of damage where the status procs actually helps this is hurtful

[heady veldt]

well screw me sideways

[cobalt token]

My current build for Vauban prime. But I feel like it could be better...

[velvet pulsar]

U gotta sacrifice a mod slot to fix that problem

Good news is u can put Augur Seeker and it'll not only give +90% SD but also outsource augur set to ur pistol for shield gating.

[nova swift]

Yes and no? If you used to wait for status to end the enemy to get started you cant do that anymore. On the upside it will speed up heat armor strip (its based on status duration)

[old marsh]

i dont swing that way but no judgement from my end.

on a serious note, u want crit dmg anyways so keep rolling

CC on ocucor is not needed.

[narrow granite]

does khora's venari count as summon for comisado? :V

[sturdy sigil]

Hello! I need a second opinion. I found this build for nokko and that uses pillage, but I am going for a no helminth build and using his reroot. Idk if I should keep growing power for brief respite and if I need overextended.

[sacred nexus]

am i going the right direction? idk what to add to the last 2 mod slots. weapon is toxin kuva chakkhur

[narrow granite]

@solar reef like dis [arcane swap when O get that shock one] and in free spot killin blow?:v

[solar reef]

use galv reflex as well

[narrow granite]

in place of what?

[solar reef]

the empty mod slot

[narrow granite]

not killin blow?

[solar reef]

you could also swap out org shatter

you get CD out of galv steel

you dont really need base damage, you have CO

Swap Elementalist out for Galv Elementalist when possible

I personally run mine exclusively with status, element, and duration
ignoring damage entirely

but i dont recommend that

[narrow granite]

I picked ele over galv cuz windup for heavy coom

[sacred nexus]

ok i arrived at this one. how's it? (pairing with cyte-09, weapon is tox kuva chakkhur)

[solar reef]

galv elementalist allows you to proc multiple status in one hit
you’re already getting wind up through Amalgum OS

for your tennokai, I recommend dispatch overdrive, but thats optional

[vapid crane]

Which Predasyte is the best? Just generally the most useful.

[cobalt token]

I was looking up builds for Vauban, and apparently he gains armor from his 4?

[coral crest]

Yes, it armor strips enemies and gives it to you and allies in 4s range. Around 1500 armor maximum

[vapid crane]

1500 is enough to pass basically all the major armor thresholds

[cobalt token]

I tested it with my current build with arcane battery and I went from 63 to 513

[coral crest]

Yeah

[cobalt token]

I need more strength tho to keep up that armor boost

[hollow elm]

How usefull would be wukongs 1 in eta?
For context: i got him for eta and tjought thats the perfect time to paly a lil with arcane persistance.
I alr have 1400 armour(to be sure bc of heat dots).using shards and umbral mods.
I have wrathful advance over his 3 . But now i rememberd his 3 gives armour so im thining abt swapping WA to his 1 instead, to get rid of the armour shards and get some health regen or energy or something else. But not sure if itd worth it, and not sure how helpful hid one would be
Any thoughts?

[light marsh]

Hey all! I'm back in the game for a few weeks after many years away.

So I have one of the more popular builds on overframe for my recently acquired and incarnon'd dual toxocyst, for which I've had a riven for a while.

I have finally gotten a reroll that feels slottable. I know the punch through from Gunfight does great work in crowds because the secondary targets also trigger ricochet. It seems like I could:

• Drop Gunfight for more damage per hit at the cost of the punch through
• Drop Convulsion (don't yet have Primed) and run Viral when the headshot proc goes off instead of Corrosive
• Drop Lethal Torrent and lose fire rate but gain more and better bullets

I'm at a loss. Either way I'm pretty sure I'm throwing 1-2 more forma in

[sly island]

Anyone's can tell me if there anything I can do for boost the dmg more?

[light marsh]

(Primed) Shred

[hollow mantle]

Does Galv Apt work correctly on the Chakkhurr?

[light marsh]

that config name >.>

[hollow mantle]

Ah

dw abt it twin

I want to say it does but I also know Apt is so weird with AOE after effects

[light marsh]

no reason why it wouldn't work with any given gun. Run a companion or a weapon that can prime statuses and it should make the numbers go up

[hollow mantle]

I haven't tested enough

[light marsh]

grab a diriga and slot the arc coil precept and nothing else and see if you get what percentage increase

and then add a weapon with some elements and manifold bond

and see if the increase is bigger?

[sly island]

Kk alr thx I have shred normal is still good for now?

[hollow mantle]

Figured

It doesn't work 🥀

[old marsh]

speed trigger is fine. vile acc is better. u have to align your shots against more than 1 enemy to take advantage of punch through in shred. not ideal but helps

[bold estuary]

I’ve only built the pharoh but he has aoe viral priming and boosts my toxin damage so I’m gonna say him

[sly island]

Alr

@old marsh btw thx for the help I appreciate it very much

[old marsh]

i dont accept thanks. you can send me 1 million plat as payment for my services

[autumn lava]

Anybody got a good nataruk build? It’s my favorite but it isn’t ready for steel path yet. Any tips?

[sly island]

I gonna have to know where to start for starting trading and farm plat lol

[astral tinsel]

Maybe not?

[celest thicket]

Interesting, valence formation also affects your bullet jump, but not your dive kick

[astral tinsel]

-SD is pretty bad, but ocucor has enough fire rate to refresh

and it actually makes heat strip armor faster

[compact cypress]

which evo would be best here on the okina?

[mellow nimbus]

If damage wasn't an issue, what's the best room clearing melee?

[compact cypress]

wdym if dmg wasn't an issue?

also anything influence for the most part

[mellow nimbus]

Let us assume that everything dies in one hit. If that is the case, what is the best room clearing melee in the game?

[compact cypress]

ah

glaives prob, falcor/glaive prime/xoris

[nocturne heron]

how do i build harrow for lvl cap and dual toxo for harrow?

[compact cypress]

you could also try a normal ninjase build from overframe and go from their with your own changes

big yes on the dual toxo for like any frame

[near vortex]

Either a glaive or a zaw

The cool part about zaws is that everything dies in one hit!

[nocturne heron]

yeah buti have no idea what to go for on a crit frame

usually i prefer furis for thrax killing but i thought it would be funny to have both a headshot wep and frame

[frail marlin]

I took my Harrow and dual toxo to level cap a few days ago. I prefer to helminth evade over his thurible, run a decent bit of strength with a duration focus. Then any standard dual toxo build with a good amount of crit damage will get you there no problem

[nocturne heron]

how do i build harrow then? and is outburst required for harrow on dual toxo? i feel like extra crit chance is not needed (but the crit damage is nice ig)

[narrow granite]

pretty shore galv apt aint workin with aoe weps x.x

from mi tests

[hollow mantle]

yeap thats why I said it dont work

I kinda figured but was coping really hard

[narrow granite]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-copium-od-copium-overdose-overdose-twitch-gif-9006779378751968406

[velvet pulsar]

Except hitscan AoE

[hollow mantle]

Should've just swapped it for Bladed Rounds anyway, way better

[narrow granite]

are there hitscanners aoe?

[hollow mantle]

Yeah

[narrow granite]

which o.o

[hollow mantle]

Naturuk Perfect charge is one

I don't know all of them off the dome

God I am huffing so much with the Redeemer.

I want it to be good so bad

[narrow granite]

try stropha or gri sumthin 😄

[hollow mantle]

Ew no 🙏

Stropha's ugly </3

[narrow granite]

no, u

[hollow mantle]

In another world maybe

[narrow granite]

stropha coolest gunblade 😄

[hollow mantle]

Anyway, I'm running it on Mesa, it's purely for the gimmick

[narrow granite]

stropha 100 times kewl kewl

[hollow mantle]

Stropha is good but I do not care for it

Ugly ass melee

[narrow granite]

you pine buttplugged schmuck! how dare ye say such heresy?

[hollow mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-joe-biden-microphone-interview-walk-gif-2478024445377708296

[narrow granite]

u average guy
stropha the guy your parrents keep comparin you to :V

[hollow mantle]

Ok 👍

[narrow granite]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-you-speak-heresy-warhammer-40k-what-did-you-say-don't-say-that-gif-3570587536222968742

xDD

[hollow mantle]

Makes so much sense now why you talk like a toddler

[narrow granite]

good times.

[hollow mantle]

@fierce lark Hey boo have you used the Edun before

[nocturne heron]

do i even need crit chance on dual toxo when running harrow

[hollow mantle]

Be the min-maxxer you were always meant to be

[nocturne heron]

so no is what im taking from this

[hollow mantle]

I mean if you're confident in your Harrow

pretty much anything you try will work on 90% of the content in this game

[nocturne heron]

oh right i wanna lvl cap with it

[nova swift]

Igotchu

[hollow mantle]

Mine instant kills fine upto lvl400

I'm not being clear enough

I refuse to build my melee weapons with Warframe buffs or Influence, Redeemer has been a little difficult but I've gotten it there.

[thorn oak]

why

[fierce lark]

nop

[hollow mantle]

Because I hate slop

[hollow mantle]

It's very fun.

[thorn oak]

Why is synergizing slop

[hollow mantle]

Check out my melee build, it does the exact same boring shit every other build ever does!

They need to buff the other melee arcanes man

Crescendo is fun atleast

[thorn oak]

I mean there’s only so many ways you can build something so that it doesn’t such

Suck*

[hollow mantle]

Dev's direct fault

[thorn oak]

Or just use the stuff

[hollow mantle]

I of course like, USE Warframe buffs and stuff, but I build my melees w/o that in mind.

[nova swift]

I can imagine, itll do just fine with exposure/retaliation/duplicate. I just like the synergy between dagath doom, influence and making it a ranged applicator with a weapon type I like (gunblades)

[hollow mantle]

I've gone through a good 20 melees so far trying to get them to around lvl500~ enemies

No no the dagath + influence gimmick is satisfying of course, srry I wasn't trying to sound like a prick.

Well, about you atleast, I stand by everything else about meta.

[nova swift]

which one do you think is better? Vastilok or Redeemer? I cant quite make up my mind

[hollow mantle]

I haven't touched the Vastilok 'cept for mastery fodder

I'm using the Redeemer over the Stropha strictly for aura

[fierce lark]

i forget if one is actually better than the other, iirc stropha is the best if you’re trying to actually do damage

vastilok is my outburst stick

[hollow mantle]

Does it have anything that helps it's combo?

I didn't notice till like half an hour ago that gunblade finishers give you a good 90 combo on hit.

[nova swift]

redeemer has 10 multishot, wonder how hard you can fartmax on it with lavos

[fierce lark]

rotate between neutral melee and forward melee first hit and you build 220 combo in like 3 hits with max combo gen mods

[hollow mantle]

I hit 2 grounded finishers on a grineer earlier and went from 8 combo to 220 w/o any combo count mods.

[glass rampart]

Me when I only use Vastilok for armor strip

[steep oasis]

does someone have a build that i can use for garuda's talons that does not heavily rely on the combo counter?

[fierce lark]

pretty sure every gunblade can do the same thing, vastilok is just the only one you can buy fully built

[hollow mantle]

True, I just don't know what caused that to happen

[fierce lark]

without spending the funny market price for a base redeemer

[hollow mantle]

Redeemer Prime 🥀

[glass rampart]

What's that arcane that adds corrosive damage to melees?

[hollow mantle]

Exposure

[glass rampart]

Melee exposure corufell

Works awesome

[hollow mantle]

Oh my god the Corufell

I don't think i've touched it since release

I think Crescendo boosts it's projectile..?

[steep oasis]

might be, i've never used it

[hollow mantle]

Such a cool weapon

I think a Mortar Hammer would be a cool gunblade kind of weapon gimmick

But the Sledge kinda exists..

[steep oasis]

wasn't there a greneer hammer with that design?

[hollow mantle]

The Jat Kittag?

[steep oasis]

yeah

[hollow mantle]

It's just a slam weapon

[glass rampart]

Wolf Sledge :)

[hollow mantle]

I'm talking like, heavy attack slams the hammer into the ground and then it shoots off 2 or 3 mortar aoes

[glass rampart]

Bro got the Deedeedee hammer

[hollow mantle]

Dude I've been wanting a charged hammer heavy attack like his Smash Bros down special

[glass rampart]

Hammer attack like his neutral special

[hollow mantle]

Suck and Cucc?? 😭

[blazing finch]

Trying to use Vauban in eda what do I build him for

[nova swift]

it has multiCO so you can get some funny results on the projectile

[tawdry trail]

Did they update the dispos on the coda weapons? I thought they all released with 0.5x

[vagrant flax]

does anyone got recommendations for primaries/secondaries for heat damage?

[nova swift]

boar prime incarnon, Furis incarnon

[vagrant flax]

Thank you

[fierce lark]

possibly, there’s been a few prime accesses since then and not all of them are good

[tawdry trail]

Hema has jumped up to 0.9x

I was looking at the dispo for the caustacyst since I got the 60% electric one yesterday

Mire is still low but that's fair I guess

[dusk marten]

i am building my eso volt and onto the shards part is it better to put crimson shard with str or violet shard with ability dmg

[fierce lark]

coda hema is 0.9? jesus

[formal gust]

Does anyone have a good beat for Octavia? Nothing spamy just like a beat

[spiral chasm]

Baby shark dududududu

[swift ore]

If you helminth over jades 1 does her 2 still gain time on kills?

[vagrant flax]

i second this

[formal gust]

I've been trying to make something but am somewhat struggling but am not mad am kinda enjoying the music process

[chrome bay]

Can anyone tell me the best arcanes to put on this build? It’s for gauss prime

[coral crest]

Wtfff

[coral crest]

[fierce lark]

need hema riven like rn

there’s already a wide ass open spot where critical delay would normally be

[pure reef]

Coda Hema one of the best rifles easily. Lots of different builds you can make and they all perform really well.

Deadhead is standard good, Crux can make for a crazy firerate heat stacking build. Debilitate paired with the innate viral is best for taking advantage of multi GunCO

[fierce lark]

it’s hard carried by the augment

[coral crest]

Not to mention that it gets extremely silly on healthanks

[coral crest]

It wasn't bad before, but with an augment it's geniunely extremely strong

[fierce lark]

you don’t even need to be a proper health tank for it to work, a lot of frames can get there with 1-2 blue shards

debilitate once again being useless because of the 10 stacks requirement

nothing lives long enough to get 10 stacks of anything

[coral crest]

If you think about it

In most cases when people say that debilitate is very strong on weapons on which it very clearly isn't

[chrome bay]

Is it good with gauss?

[coral crest]

Says about how much time it takes for them to kill an enemy

[fierce lark]

it’s a shame most actual scary enemies are either capped to 4 status stacks or status immune lol

[pure reef]

With Crux giving you ammo efficiency and Gauss giving you firerate and blast damage, yeah it would be fairly sick I imagine

[coral crest]

Evil and intimidating stack shard setup (4 extra cold and toxin procs)

[fierce lark]

crux over deadhead on a multico rifle kinda sounds like not a great way to use it

[coral crest]

Bulwark

[fierce lark]

on an actual health tank where you might have 1500+ armor maybe

i tried a number of different setups and corrcold with serration in the free slot ended up feeling best

a riven with cc and +dmg would be nice to put there

augment gets it just short of 100% cc

[pure reef]

Yeah Serration is enough for gunco builds, just means you're dedicating two mod slots to the combo as opposed to a mod and arcane. Pick ur poison

That being said Bulwark does sound nasty

[coral crest]

Sorry I'm Lavos brained

[fierce lark]

serration is mainly for when you don’t have the arcane stacked, but its still contributing about 30% of your total base dmg with a fully stacked arcane

it’s a filler slot anyways

[coral crest]

I need that dax rifle skin before I ever use it

[fierce lark]

hema saves a slot on a crit mod with augment so it has an open slot to put something for convenience

could run corroblast 🤔

but you can do that anyway with heat progenitor, don’t need a mod for it

[coral crest]

I need a more refined main arsenal

[wanton cobalt]

does any one have build for saryn mid game

[late hemlock]

These kind of questions are always hard to answer because everyone defines mid game differently

Im going to assume no subsumes and no shards? What about augments can you get those?

[high turtle]

Does stat stick still work on khoras whipclaw

[late hemlock]

You now directly mod the whip

[high turtle]

Ohh

Ok that makes more sense i was watching a really old video

[fierce lark]

yeah be careful with old guides, things are changing all the time

[wanton cobalt]

what are augments

[wanton cobalt]

ye i can get augemtens

i just have to look them up to see what they are and i can i got my syndicate max

[late hemlock]

Venom dose gives you a pretty significant damage bump so that one is worth using

[wanton cobalt]

ok thank you

[cold burrow]

Kestral with influence

[autumn pebble]

Any throwing weapon with melee influence will be good

[celest sparrow]

should i go for the pathocyst or caustacyst this rotation? 🤔

[nova swift]

causta is 60%

[cold burrow]

Just said kestral cuz more bounces

[autumn pebble]

Pick causta

[mellow nimbus]

ah so just throw build without detonate?

[cold burrow]

Can do then add the detonate mod on it, volatile quick return

Still has 4 bounces and explodes

[autumn pebble]

Or build for heavy attack only

[cold burrow]

Can do, at that point any glaive type will do

No need for kestral If your manualy blasting

[autumn pebble]

Ig make sens

[eager pine]

having a hard time choosing

[late hemlock]

Does it even matter? You will keep rolling until you hit CC

[pallid quiver]

is cc the only stat that even matters

[late hemlock]

For verglas specifically its what makes or breaks the riven

The only way to use tenacious bond with a verglas equipped is to have a CC riven so it spikes up the value of the stat

[pallid quiver]

ohh ok

which bonds are the best to have?

or like most commonly used

[late hemlock]

Tenacious is easily the most commonly used

[hidden patio]

Serious question, if i....for any reason wanted to put advance wrath on vauban.....wich skill i would choose to replace it.

[late hemlock]

Reinforced is fantastic on anything that can meet the requirements

[late hemlock]

If for whatever weird reason you would want a melee focus vauban then probably 3?

4 and 2 are a must keep because one is grouping for melee and the other gives you a multiplicative damage buff

Between 1 and 3 id probably go 3?

[hidden patio]

Thanks....btw....thank you for not making questions either.....im making something to distress a friend.

[pallid quiver]

whats that one do?

[late hemlock]

60% firerate if companion has 1200 shields

[sick ermine]

why my gun say INF?

[digital merlin]

Am I being dumb here?

[fierce lark]

visual bug when you equip primary overcharge

[fierce lark]

doughty is kinda bad in general, and if you wanted to play with it there are probably better options than gregory

also the flying disc from slide heavies isn't affected by base damage, only CO-type damage

[digital merlin]

i really wish that arcane could find a home. That said, Fort is the standard fallback. 🙂 tyty.

[fierce lark]

long live the eternal trio of influence exposure afflictions

grigori being another victim of slop influence

but with the additional gameplay option of sending a flying ricocheting influence-chaining disc on tennokai procs

[maiden oracle]

Isn't Doughy ok on Vinquibus?

[mighty flare]

exposure/duplicates better

[fierce lark]

i ended up putting influence on it and using it as the aoe counterpart to the primary's high per-shot damage

even though it has awful sc

like you'd need to make up a reason to use influence

[thorn oak]

i need acid shells

[fierce lark]

kela says hi

[thorn oak]

hi kela

i dont remember where kela is

oh yea isnt she the annoying one where u gotta get points

i was nuking ESO with my null star on accident trying to keep hot shot up

[maiden oracle]

Course it is

Can we get anything that isn't Influence for once

[thorn oak]

i put crux on my boar and it was the most pointless thing ever

[crisp pelican]

Does Melee Influence reduce the usefulness of a weapon's innate range to a significant degree because of how electric works?

[nova swift]

Not entirely, if anything a large range gets you more influence hits to spread. Its how the glaives can kill so fast

[crisp pelican]

That makes sense

[fierce lark]

no, it significantly increases the value of weapon range

[crisp pelican]

So then given that, what's the highest range on any non-glaive weapon, incarnon upgrades included?

(not a huge fan of how glaives feel)

[thorn oak]

are there any zaws that are decent

[fierce lark]

think about it this way

melee influence attaches a big radial circle to whoever your target is, so the further out you can hit someone, the further that circle extends forward, which extends your own range outwards on all sides

[nova swift]

Nami solo incarnon, bo prime incarnon, thalys are large range contenders

[velvet pulsar]

That's a projectile.

[nova swift]

Contagion zaw is a special mention

[velvet pulsar]

Zylok Incarnon

[fierce lark]

bo prime, thalys, nami solo and innodem are the ones that come to mind

[quiet laurel]

probs arca titron slams with influence

[velvet pulsar]

I still haven't understood Thalys

How many different ranged attacks does it have?

[thorn oak]

i got a zaw riven just wondering if its even worth doing or not

[quiet laurel]

its good if its rabvee or balla

[velvet pulsar]

Please say that's Rabvee

[thorn oak]

and i also just need a melee weapon that isnt a glaive im so tired of glaives

you know I use to have a rabvee riven and i got rid of it cuz i didnt even know what it was

[quiet laurel]

very unfortunate

[velvet pulsar]

Which one u have right now bruh

[nova swift]

It depends, rabvee is good for contagion stick and utility wise a sepfahn zaw is good healing and an exodia brave mewan is funny jank energy regen on heavies

[thorn oak]

im very bad with rivens i transmuted my soma riven aswell while talking about how i was gonna build a soma

im not sure yet i havent done it

for acid shells sobek should i be running viral and electricity

assuming electricity due to it doing damage quicker than heat

[velvet pulsar]

Only electric if cyte

[thorn oak]

okay so heat then cuz i dont got cyte

[undone dust]

just raw viral

[velvet pulsar]

I use pure heat too for another reason

Heat inherit can make any weapon trigger Acid Shells.

[thorn oak]

well no matter what im gonna be doing heat due to my null star

[undone dust]

this is also an idea

[undone dust]

if you're doing nova sobek then youd run blast elec or just pure blast

[velvet pulsar]

However it's a horrible idea for someone who's already spreading heat via null star.

[undone dust]

or is null just the subsume for this

[thorn oak]

im nova

[undone dust]

yeah then youd run blast elec on nova

[thorn oak]

just happen to have neutron star on cuz im using hot shot cuz its fun

[undone dust]

raw viral is fine too but you need xatas to make acid shells on nova properly work anyway

so blast is the method

[thorn oak]

does kills from the blast proc acid shells

[velvet pulsar]

Xata Blast Acid Shells on Nova is a good idea.

[velvet pulsar]

Yes

[undone dust]

it's a very fun idea

[thorn oak]

awesome news

i do have to change my riven now tho

[velvet pulsar]

However
I'm concerned about ur FPS

Lots of explosions.

[undone dust]

i wouldnt personally run a riven on novabek since she really doesn't have any resupply esque buffs

[thorn oak]

it will be fine i play dual monitor and still be above 60

[undone dust]

unless you have an extra bane on the riven ig

[thorn oak]

idk why but for whatever when i got this sobek long ago I decided magnetic was the move for progenitor

[undone dust]

it still is

[thorn oak]

I dont understand the love for magnetic theres not a super huge amount of enemies with shields

[pallid quiver]

What about on Saryn?

[velvet pulsar]

Nah Elemental Vice is the way to go.

[undone dust]

it's basically viral for overguard

[velvet pulsar]

There's a super huge amount of Overguard.

[undone dust]

raw viral

[thorn oak]

true i guess it does do overguad

[velvet pulsar]

I've heard progenitor element isn't affecting Resupply or Toxic Lash kinds of DoTs

[undone dust]

it does not sadly

[pallid quiver]

How does the nuke work with Saryn?

[undone dust]

i wish it did but it doesnt matter that much

[velvet pulsar]

Well that's awful.
Glad I'm using it just for heat inherit.

[undone dust]

sobek? toxic lash just inherits acid shells or whatever and spreads it further

[pallid quiver]

Raw viral is fine since my sobek had viral progenitor

[pallid quiver]

Is this with the spores or

[undone dust]

there is no viral progenitor

[pallid quiver]

Wait not viral

Toxin

I keep mixing the 2 up

[thorn oak]

crux time so i can hit blast 1000 times in 2 shots