builds-discussion

[glass rampart]

Quick fire

It's a primer on quick fire so people usually quick fire

Charge fire does damage but quick fire is what ppl usually use the epitaph for

They should make a primary for sevagoth called the king crimson

[pallid quiver]

What should I build on it?

And that means I gotta run it with an actual damage weapon right

[fierce lark]

if you're going to use it as a primer then yeah

[nocturne heron]

should i put green shards on my uriel for corrosive stacks?
Using furis, torid and harmony
Currently using 2 tau red strength and 1 tau casting speed

[glass rampart]

Blast radius and any element you want to proc for priming (usually viral)

[quiet laurel]

Doesnt really do a whole lot

[pallid quiver]

Only needs 1 element?

Can I just slap like as many as I can on

[glass rampart]

Give him a yellow shard for parkour speed

[nocturne heron]

i wanna build him for lvl cap, dont care about base steel path

[glass rampart]

Yeah sure

Make sure to have status too

[nocturne heron]

sounds good

[glass rampart]

His 1 speed scales off parkour speed

[nocturne heron]

or i put 2 more reds for status duration

[glass rampart]

You should also probably give him cast time

[fierce lark]

brimstone will kill levelcap enemies by itself, doesn't need corrosive

[nocturne heron]

i mean ability duration

[nocturne heron]

yes that i have already

[glass rampart]

If you want sure

[pallid quiver]

How much status am I looking for

[pallid quiver]

Wait seriously

[nocturne heron]

ik but the other abilities cant and i kinda wanna help him buff furis

[glass rampart]

As long as it's above base

[nocturne heron]

yes its stupid

absolutely shreds ANYTHING without much setup

[pallid quiver]

Like 100%?

[glass rampart]

Sure

[pallid quiver]

We love a busted frame

[glass rampart]

Go for it

[glass rampart]

They should rework ember again

[nocturne heron]

its kinda balanced because of the charge time ig

[pallid quiver]

How long is the charge time

[fierce lark]

corrosive furis?

[pallid quiver]

Honestly ember is pretty fun if her 1 didn’t eat through my energy faster than Grendel eats mobs

[nocturne heron]

Just heat atm but i got diriga to proc the multishot of the first evolution

just heat should be fine ig no?

[fierce lark]

pure heat is the way yeah, i thought you were saying corrosive shards to help the furis lol

[nocturne heron]

I did but then i thought nvm pure heat is the way

[nocturne heron]

i should prolly get grendel for the nourish for nasty dammage on uriel 3rd

or breach surge for the funny interactions

[nocturne heron]

Thats almost what mine looks like but i have merciless, no galv diffusion YET and no prime heated charge and target cracker

unfortunately

[pallid quiver]

Does putting more cc on furis help

Also do I take the extra base status or the cd mult for the final upgrade on furis

[fierce lark]

the incarnon form has much higher base crit

status

[pallid quiver]

Oh cool nice

[nocturne heron]

status damage on furis is also nice i think

[pallid quiver]

I’ve got a mag heat build for my furis rn

But no elementalist

Pistol elementalist refuses to drop

All the other ones did

[nocturne heron]

prolly gonna buy it for plat myself cuz the farm seems painfu

[fierce lark]

you can run elementalist over mag if you have another source of elec damage

or over galv shot if you don't have encumber

[pallid quiver]

I’m farming jade anyways so

[pallid quiver]

I have encumber but can I run it with galv shot?

Idrk what to put for my last mod slot anyways

[nocturne heron]

oh its a jade mission drop?

[fierce lark]

furis has the status output to make encumber work very quickly and give galv shot a lot of status, while letting you mod for pure heat

[nocturne heron]

is encumber necessary?

[fierce lark]

no, just replace galv shot with elementalist and encumber with flare

[pallid quiver]

yea

[pallid quiver]

i mean i still have the free mod slot so

why not run both encumber and shot

[nocturne heron]

ah i got merciless... ill replace scorch with elementalist cuz its a final multiplier and rock with that for now i thin

[fierce lark]

if you have encumber then do this, yes

[nocturne heron]

thats what he said but if you dont have encumber you use flare and replace shot with elementalist

[pallid quiver]

oh i mean elementalist

and shot

[nocturne heron]

good question

[fierce lark]

show build

[pallid quiver]

cant rn

not at hom

its like

scorch, heated charge, mag might, galf diffusion and shot

and uh

primed tc

and i forget the other 2

[fierce lark]

pretty sure scorch is better, elementalist is a final multi but furis just wants as many heat procs as possible

[nocturne heron]

ic

btw does arcane hot shot pair well with furis? or is it unessecary?

[fierce lark]

of course

[nocturne heron]

very nice, i only need a bit more plat

[fierce lark]

this is about what it should look like if you're not using encumber

[pallid quiver]

Ah right and lethal torrent that was the mod I forgot about

If I don’t have ppg should I just run normal pg or the -fire rate cc mod?

[fierce lark]

creeping bullseye

[pallid quiver]

Yea

It’s better than normal pg for furis?

[fierce lark]

for everything, yeah

[nocturne heron]

doesnt hornet strike massively increase damage because its the only thing that increases base damage?

[fierce lark]

flare elementalist on the left and encumber gshot on the right, unbuffed vs armor capped thrax over 5s

[fierce lark]

merciless/deadhead/flare all increase base damage

as does galv shot

[nocturne heron]

Oh but isnt galv shot direct damage?

[fierce lark]

no, it's base damage

same as hornet strike

it just doesn't buff radials usually

[nocturne heron]

But uhm

e

fine then the usual spaghetti code ig

[fierce lark]

im not sure why the wording is like that but it's probably meant to refer to damage hitting the actual target

as in not aoe damage

[nocturne heron]

ic

[fierce lark]

damage over time is affected normally by CO mods

[nocturne heron]

fine ill get secondary encumber...

arcane hot shot must wait once again 🙏

[fierce lark]

it'll only make a noticeable difference at like...levelcap levels lol, or against bosses that can actually take status effects

[nocturne heron]

yeah im planing on running lvl cap

already did one yesterday but my damage fell off at like lvl 4 k

[fierce lark]

keep in mind that the way heat inherit works means if any of your abilities give something its first heat status, that heat status won't gain the damage benefit of any of your heat/elementalist/expel mods

[nocturne heron]

yeah ik that kinda sucks

so i might actually subsume off uriels first for that matter

[fierce lark]

im not sure how reliable it is to actually keep hotshot up without his 1, i dont remember if 3 even causes heat statuses

[nocturne heron]

ahh tricky

ill just have to pray my furis hits first then

[raw trail]

y'all talking about furis?

[nocturne heron]

yes

[raw trail]

ah icic...bruh yday i was trying out different weapons to get the highest dps on those techrot eximus units dealing viral

furis was the ONLY weapon i was able to notice doing the most amount of damage by far

and with gyre it was even more stupider

[quiet laurel]

Cause furis dps is insane

[raw trail]

and if you ever do it with even dante....you can apply like 10k heat procs in 5 seconds

[nocturne heron]

WHAT

[raw trail]

yeah

dante has 2 3 4 cast(i think it's called wordwarden?)..which is extremely insane with how much multishot it gives to your weapons

furis is just STUPID dps😂

i was very impressed with it, and things like torid,boar,burston nothing was even close

not even dual toxocyst

[nocturne heron]

primaries in general have surprisingly low dps

[pallid quiver]

Should I install torid or burston inc first

[raw trail]

torid is better for room clearance

[nocturne heron]

torid is better for addclear while burston seems to have a little higher single target dps

for burston you also need to headshot

[raw trail]

but burston is for the players who like a challenge and wanna do headshots

[nocturne heron]

red crits go brr

[raw trail]

yeah

even tier 5

[nocturne heron]

viral heat does scale insanely well on torid even on lvl 700 enemies tho

[raw trail]

yeah torid is insane

but really was disappointing against those techrot enemies i mentioned

[night laurel]

does kullervo make hespar good..................

[raw trail]

actually nothing worked except furis😂

[night laurel]

Any heavy scythes depending on heavy attacks in general

[nocturne heron]

Kullervo makes ANY melee stupid op

[raw trail]

what he said😂

[night laurel]

due to the passive, 1, 3?

[nocturne heron]

seriously.. especially with a few purple shards if you wanna make your brain neurons tingle

[nocturne heron]

just due to the 1 having its full buff and passive for the heavies

[raw trail]

yeah purple shards are really nice to have

for them damage cap numbers

[nocturne heron]

yessir

syam kullervo with 5 tau purple go brrr into the negatives

[raw trail]

not the syam😭😭

that weapons need to be nerfed ngl

[nocturne heron]

YES THE SYAM its so silly

[nocturne heron]

So real 🙏

multiplicative CO could it BE any better?

[raw trail]

yeah exactly

what's stupider is that it has no range

[nocturne heron]

But the HEAVY ATTACK THO

[pallid quiver]

oh fr

if i build the burston do i just go pure crit

[night laurel]

shhhhhh i haven't had my fun with it

[raw trail]

yes do that

[pallid quiver]

no status at all?

which means no hammer shot?

[raw trail]

build for the classic viral(unless you have external viral in which case go for corrosive)

[raw trail]

you could do that too but I'd say playing burston with primary acuity over galvanized chamber is more fun

[pallid quiver]

ooh primary acuity

[raw trail]

yeah

[pallid quiver]

i mean its not like hammer shot cant go with acuity right

[raw trail]

what was hammer shot again....ik it was crit dmg but was there something else?

[brittle sleet]

Status chance

[raw trail]

oh then that's nice

you could keep that yes

[brittle sleet]

Burston uses Acuity because the AoE on the incarnon shots doesn't benefit from multishot for some ungodly reason

[raw trail]

or I'd personally just go more base damage

[pallid quiver]

so base damage and crit

[raw trail]

yeah that's true

[pallid quiver]

nothing else

[brittle sleet]

Using Acuity makes status a lot less reliable on it so keep that in mind

[raw trail]

critical delay,vital sense

[night laurel]

oh? how come?

[brittle sleet]

Base damage, crit, elemental raw damage, faction damage, fire rate

[raw trail]

yeah he's right

[brittle sleet]

Just because of multishot

[raw trail]

bc lower multishot means less status application

actually no multishot

you could use the augment for 80 percent fire rate

that burston has

it's pretty nice

[fierce lark]

seemingly all aoes aren’t affected by multishot, hitscans are just easier to headshot with

[pallid quiver]

is burston hitscan?

[fierce lark]

yes

[severe bough]

Yes

[pallid quiver]

sweet

[brittle sleet]

Magnetic Capacity and Radiated Reload become more slottable since you're not aiming for the elemental procs as well on the Acuity build, just the elemental damage boost

[severe bough]

Normally acuity can be good pick if u go pure single target dps and dont care about charging time eg thrax

[pallid quiver]

ooh yeah the reload would be nice

[severe bough]

But most of the time ms is just the better go for general use

[fierce lark]

the only hitscan aoes i know of are burston/braton incarnon and opticor/vandal

there’s probably a few more incarnons that do it

[brittle sleet]

This has been bugging me to think about since it became talked about more because of instances where it's clear that multishot does affect the AoE, like -accuracy setups on Ogris

[severe bough]

Torid does actually have them but iirc but only the Little Explosion part when the beam hits

Basically the same ms Spagetti coding

When fix de

[fierce lark]

if you consider beam to be hitscan

[pallid quiver]

i only need like 23 more thermia fractures to get the opticor vandal

should i just go and do them

[fierce lark]

if you want

it’s an alright gun

[pallid quiver]

the ocucor honestly feels really weak without its augment and the fact that its got like no polarities whatsoever

on my part i havent actually invested into it yet

[late hemlock]

It is 100% augment reliant

[pallid quiver]

but at base damn its a whole nothing burger

[brittle sleet]

It is really weak without the augment to be fair

[severe bough]

Ocucor got really good with the augment before it was shit

[pallid quiver]

what does the augment do again

then again i always have my trusty furis to carry me for now

[late hemlock]

Crit and status on kill

Reloads mag on kill

[pallid quiver]

oh

[late hemlock]

The latter is honestly the real important part so you can hold left click and farm mobs

[pallid quiver]

damn

is the autoaim like

intrinsic

[late hemlock]

The cone is HUGE

[severe bough]

iirc Tentacles are like searching missles so stick onto the enemys
4 tents total increase sc and cc

[pallid quiver]

i remember it had some chaining facilities

[severe bough]

And reload mag

[late hemlock]

The tentacles are at base iirc

[severe bough]

Ye but the shouldnt be directed to the nearest enemy

[pallid quiver]

they come out after a kill right

[late hemlock]

Yea

[pallid quiver]

what do i build on the ocucor?

besides slapping on the augment

[severe bough]

Viral heat

[pallid quiver]

does viral elec work

[late hemlock]

Sure

I prefer enervate over flare anyways gives me better results

[severe bough]

U can also combine it with saryn

[pallid quiver]

ah yes acid shell saryn

ive heard the rumors of that monster

[severe bough]

Toxic lash

Acid shell is with sobek

[pallid quiver]

yea

was talking about that

with saryn is venom dose a must have or is the other 1 augment better

[late hemlock]

You can pair anything with saryn so it doesnt really matter

Ocucor is my comfort food on stuff like dark sector survival with nekros or something

[severe bough]

Ye but ocucor saryn is just

[fierce lark]

enervate sentient surge? 🤔

[severe bough]

Cool

[pallid quiver]

speak of the devil

saryn appears

we were just talking about saryn

[severe bough]

The true one

[night laurel]

i like to think its just a saryn p irl giving out build advice

[late hemlock]

With how the aoe beam works you get red crit ticks rather often, gets me more damage than flare on avg

Enervate is just weird

Not really far from each other in performance either way ig but enervate is definitely my preference

[fierce lark]

checks out

overstacking wins again

time for blastcucor

[pallid quiver]

blast ocucor?

that sounds fun

(the blast on epitaph is already staggering me every 5 seconds)

[fierce lark]

blast doesn’t have self-stagger that im aware of

only actual radial weapon damage

[pallid quiver]

really? also there is a mod that makes it so i dont get self staggered right

[quiet laurel]

Relic of a time before saryn nerf

[fierce lark]

when did i catch a nerf

[quiet laurel]

Two nerfs actually

[pallid quiver]

today

[quiet laurel]

Toxic lash being spread by influence got nerfed and blast procs proccing toxic lash also got nerfed

[pallid quiver]

btw which augments do i run on saryn

is venom dose mandatory

[late hemlock]

If you run her as a weapon buffer yes

[quiet laurel]

1 augment

[late hemlock]

Venom dose is very strong

[quiet laurel]

Other augments are useless

[pallid quiver]

so basically only venom dose

[fierce lark]

oh right toxic blasht, i vaguely remember that

one day xata’s will get the same treatment

[pallid quiver]

xatas nerf?

pls no i havent even subsumed a xaku yet

helminth has only eaten my rhino so far

[velvet pulsar]

Xata already got several nerfs

It's the weakest weapon buffer subsume and it's always a hit or miss depending on if it double dips something or not.

[wise saddle]

Anyone have a protea build that clears everything?

[pallid quiver]

oh fr? thats sad

other than roar which other subsumes r better?

[modern vale]

[midnight crown]

Guys, i saw a guy a couple of days ago using the operator to shoot out projectiles like homing missiles, does anyone have any idea of what amp build he was using?

[brittle sleet]

Others being better is mostly because of their own unique niche interactions. Eclipse, for one (which I wouldn't mostly call better than Xata's personally but) gets crazy scaling on glaives and Exodia Contagion specifically. Nourish is notable but mainly for the status and the energy gain boost, not because of the damage buff itself. Shock Trooper is mostly notable just because it'll give you Influence melee at all times I think.

[brittle sleet]

Phahd scaffold is most likely what you mean, the 4 in configs like 547, or x4x

[midnight crown]

So it's the alt fire mode?

[brittle sleet]

Yes

[midnight crown]

Btw do you know how to shoot in alt fire mode on pc? I haven't use a crafted amp before

[wise saddle]

Protea build anyone

[midnight crown]

I recommend protea build of kyaii on ytb, it's pretty fun imo

[wise saddle]

@midnight crown will it clear everything?

[midnight crown]

Yeah, pretty good too

[brittle sleet]

Nah I play on controller always, just go into your options and look up the keybinds tbh

[nocturne heron]

So roar is kinda ahh on uriel THATS WHY:

Nourish or Breach surge on uriel for peak neuron activation at lvl cap

[deep grotto]

Is acid shells really only the best on Saryn?
I know you can run it on Oraxia but i remember it being worse in some spots

[pallid quiver]

acid shells by itself is already a monster no?

[charred gale]

middle mouse button

[charred gale]

nah its pretty shit without buffs

[midnight crown]

Oh okay, tysm

[charred gale]

np

[pallid quiver]

oh fr

i thought it was some crazy strong thing

[charred gale]

nah theres a reason why it isnt used as a general weapon

[pallid quiver]

ah ok so its kinda saryn specific?

[charred gale]

cyte-09 and oraxia also work

[pallid quiver]

ah cool

[charred gale]

they have abilities that make ur weapon hit twice

[pallid quiver]

reminds me i gotta go start farming for them again

[charred gale]

which does some stuff with acid shells

[charred gale]

id recommend cyte with it as he works the best with it

[pallid quiver]

ooh hes better than saryn?

[lavish orbit]

Not better but has the same synergy

[lavish orbit]

Acid shells has synergy with toxin boosts and especially cyte-09, oraxia, saryn AND I did discover Hydroid while testing things, because they have abilities that create a second instance of damage, with corrosive, viral or toxin status boost

[velvet pulsar]

Cyte uses Electric

[bitter sinew]

Is viral acuity burston incarnon paired with gauss blast and xata subsume good?

[woven drift]

How do I wanna build my pennant? Just got it a few hours ago

[lavish orbit]

Oh thought it was about toxin too, my bad then, I didn't go a lot with him

[deep grotto]

Build off the gimmick iirc

Heavy attack kills increase attack speed by 50%
Starts at 2 seconds and caps at 46 at max combo

So
Either heavy attack efficency or Tennokai

[woven drift]

So which arcane? Would be best cause it says kills by heavy attack so would influence hinder the buff

[deep grotto]

Hrm

Not sure
There’s other people who know more than me lol

[woven drift]

Well ty for the advice either way

[deep grotto]

Animosity buffs heavy attack crit damage?

But there could be something better

[woven drift]

If it helps I play kullervo

[maiden oracle]

So would that also apply with Xata's void damage or nah

[deep grotto]

Yeah

[velvet pulsar]

It's because people use the primary electric purple shard on him which boosts both his exalted sniper headshots and his electric acid shells DoT.

Also because electric is AoE DoT, unlike toxin, it can kill adjacent enemies.

[lavish orbit]

Thanks mate

[velvet pulsar]

Now if only gas was fixed.

[deep grotto]

Double damage instance occurs with Resupply, Seeking Talons, Silken Stride, Toxic Lash, Vythelas and Xata’s

[maiden oracle]

Awesome

[night laurel]

when building a non-multiplicative gunCO, do I want to add more 60/60 mods or maximize damage with 90 mods?

[modern yoke]

Constitution or Equilibrium in that Naramon slot?

[knotty pewter]

equilibrium

[silk locust]

whats constitution do again

[quaint breach]

Equilibrium

[modern yoke]

And alright

[silk locust]

constitution

use primed flow if u have it

[quaint breach]

Oh also the age old question of mine: hearty nourish or adaptation? Archon shards are 2 ability damage on corrosive 2 max mana and 1 cast speed

[silk locust]

and for equilibrium js use archon shards, they do 20% conversion per shard

[modern yoke]

Yeah... Don't have those

[late hemlock]

what are you going for with garuda?

[silk locust]

time to get them brochantitis

[late hemlock]

thats a lot of duration ngl

[velvet pulsar]

I just had a taste of Vortex Ichor

[modern yoke]

Well, I was recommended High Duration, High Range, and around 139% Strength

[late hemlock]

thats why im asking what type of build you are trying to make as there are multiple things to go for, so just trying to understand before trying to give advice

[narrow granite]

which build y'all say be better for ESO conf a or b

one is status oriented one is more heavy whack-a-doodley doo

[late hemlock]

if you are doing eso you want as much aoe as possible and nothing else matters

so if for some reason you are using a melee as your means of aoe clear then gotta go for an influence build? though there are just way better methods of doing this

[narrow granite]

Welp, I have a good vermisplicer and kumpressor

[late hemlock]

my go to recommendation is probably saryn just way too comfy

[night laurel]

hm. trying out two configs of reconifex; crit primary acuity and gunco

its not ideal for gunco since its hitscan but it's still nice after a rampup
It takes a WHILE to kill the first thrax of a cascade if i don't ramp it up first, which is my problem

i think theoretically acuity has a higher? kpm? but the gunco one is easier to use since i dont have to do headshots to do more than pennies of damage

i'm open to advice?

[late hemlock]

acuity in general nets you more damage on a headshot than landing all bullets of a fully built up galvanized chamber on a head

but is that actually realistic for you to upkeep in real time gameplay?

frankly i cant see myself using acuity on weapons personally unless it got the bugged scaling like plinx

[narrow granite]

share that huras build mate? I wanna have a laugh at it

[narrow granite]

thats what I used to use, yeah... stupid high dmg frame of a thing

[late hemlock]

its nothing too special just standard claw build

[narrow granite]

how do u get precision and imunity? o.o

[late hemlock]

frankly the companion build is full of filler so dont pay too much attention to it

[narrow granite]

also stalk but not hunt o.o

[late hemlock]

hunt is bugged to not scale with damage mods

unless they ever fixed that? not worth the mod slot

wouldnt use it even if it was fixed tbh

[late hemlock]

uhhhh i forgot which one i think its the cetus animal npc?

definitely one of the open world animal npcs

[night laurel]

in cascade, yes! I have this setup where i use evade on harrow and just toss 1 out which exposes everyone's heads. however, in daily usage, hm. I have the same issue where my acuity Vinquibus does like 1.1m headshot damage but less than a whiff on the bodies

[narrow granite]

ty imma look into

[late hemlock]

in those cases yeah go for acuity, but maybe try and see if you can forma the weapon in a way where you can swap both builds around (unless you arent planning to take it out of that cascade scenario)

also dont forget deadhead, the passive +30% headshot damage is big

[night laurel]

thanks!

[woven lynx]

what should I change? I think aegis is overkill here but idk

anyone?

[nocturne heron]

so im using furis with uriel, just tried lvl cap, and at around lvl 1k my furis dmg catastrophically fell off

so uhm

what is wrong with this

diriga applies eletric for the furis evolution but i removed heat from its weapon so it doesnt interfere with heat inherit

[narrow granite]

hurr hurr

should be good enough for eso focus capin

[mighty flare]

instead of enerigze, run a gun buffer arcane like precision
instead of pure heat, run viral/corro heat with the 6060s variants for better performance overall instead of just thrax/demos
instead of encumber, run fortifier/flare

[nocturne heron]

im soon gonna replace energize with hot shot, isnt encumber super good because of all the status procs (including viral)
ill give the corro and flare or fortifier (if i have it) a shot then ig

[mighty flare]

just modding viral >>>>> random chance of viral
more dmg against og >= more dmg% >>>> random statuses

[abstract axle]

with the armor changes viral barely underperforms against a full armor target vs corrosive with 2 green shards, and wins in every other scenario. no reason to bother with corrosive

[mighty flare]

you dont use +corro stacks for furis, its either viral heat or corro heat with external viral (nourish)
thats the best general setups

general as in building the furis to kill everything instead of just thrax/demos

[nocturne heron]

Oh btw my damage against thrax was super low aswell...

[cunning spindle]

Is Xoris a good melee weapon?

[abstract axle]

short answer is yes

glaives are op

[mighty flare]

thats why you use fortifier or shoot while its in the ghost form to insta kill when it comes out

or ur abilities are doing disinherit and making ur furis weaker

[nocturne heron]

Urm i use xoris but my damage is like below 1 mil unless i use kullervo to buff it

[cunning spindle]

I was thinking bout bringing Xoris to sp if possible, but I totally suck at modding lmao

[nocturne heron]

no i paid special attentian to not use them first

[tame musk]

is there a way to make this better for CETUS

[nocturne heron]

also that doesnt explain why i do 1k a hit with furis past lvl 3k or so

[tame musk]

what grineer mods am i missing i dont think bane is good its only 1.3x

[late hemlock]

1.3x total damage is really strong

Bane is great if you can actually be bothered to swap it out per faction

[tame musk]

what should i replace then and thanks

[late hemlock]

Id probably keep blast and remove the elec mod for it

You can run corroblast if you really want to I suppose?

[deep grotto]

Racism (faction) mods are actually kind of neat, if you’re willing to bother with them
Primed ones will ultimately deal more damage tho

[abstract axle]

the anti faction mods are very powerful, since they are fully multiplicative, and many damage sources double dip them

so its not 1.3, its 1.3^2 or 1.69

the primed antifaction is 1.55^2, or 2.4025 times damage

[fathom sky]

Mostly for status effects

[abstract axle]

yeah, but anything where damage is based on damage

[fathom sky]

what.

[abstract axle]

anything where damage dealt is based on a different amount of damage dealt will also likely double dip faction

since it'll use the faction applied damage to calculate, and then add it again

[untold tapir]

plz help its not putting out good numbers

bassocyst

[summer dawn]

hi

I have a build

use elementalist

[late hemlock]

Aim at the ears to burst eardrums

[summer dawn]

shotgun barrage

motus

[untold tapir]

alright

[summer dawn]

take off [primed point blank], [primed charged shell], [chilling reload]

[untold tapir]

i dont have elementalist...

ill get it tnight

[summer dawn]

cool

[untold tapir]

should i replace em with crit mods?

[summer dawn]

[motus setup], [shotgun barrage], [shotgun elementalist], try to get toxic or heat on your riven to get gas damage for elementalist, punchthru on the riven is nice too

my riven is toxin, ms, pt

subsume for nourish is good too

[untold tapir]

ill replace force with elementalist when i get it

[summer dawn]

looks better

the punchthru isn't really needed...it just feels nice

helps a bit

try it

[untold tapir]

riven is trash was 80 plat, but ill try heat toxin punch through

ty

[summer dawn]

you got it nevermind

[untold tapir]

the amalgam

[summer dawn]

yeah

[untold tapir]

are we going for ele because low disposition for big numbers isnt possible

[summer dawn]

I set my valence element to heat to get gas with my toxin riven

[untold tapir]

yeah i just got to pizza party ill be able to change it tonight

[summer dawn]

nice

you can run a purple archon shard to add elec damage to it too which will get boosted with shotgun elementalist

[untold tapir]

oooo

[summer dawn]

oooo just kp ur current one

it's pretty good

[untold tapir]

such low numbers though xD

[summer dawn]

take off motus setup for 6060 mod for heat or toxin

I like those types tho

this one just adds more blast which you don't need

[untold tapir]

alright done

[summer dawn]

it comes with blast already

[untold tapir]

how much ele u gain per valence?

got this and the sword and im pretty content

[summer dawn]

for valence fusion?

[untold tapir]

codas fast too

yeah to raise disposition

[summer dawn]

like 4% more than the highest one

just wait until eleanor sells one with 54%+

58% gets rounded to 60

[untold tapir]

aah i see, dint wanna wait

[summer dawn]

it's better to wait...otherwise you have to fuse more

[untold tapir]

yeah twas unwise, but i dont need mastery anymore. ive never used shotguns in the past either this my first serious build of one

so ill wait for the valence

i was originally gonna build it to proc cold for my frost build but its pointless because he maxes stacks with his 4 anyways

[bitter sinew]

Whats a good stat for ogris riven?

[untold tapir]

im having trouble finding a match for a cold weapon

[untold tapir]

it worked well, ty

[mellow nimbus]

I don't get glaives. Do I need to consistently do detonations? Coz I feel like the regular throws are a bit weak.
Is there a glaive that's good for just the regular throw?

[late hemlock]

kestrel is a normal throw focused glaive

i dont remember if any of the others want to bother with it over heavy

[cunning spindle]

Anyone who has a good xoris build for me?

[solar reef]

Falcor

People like ricochet Falcor builds

[late hemlock]

id much rather do heavy explosion falcor because of its passive

[pallid quiver]

Wait so for glaives people just throw and explode when they get near something?

[late hemlock]

you throw them then press heavy attack button to make them explode

the build generally revolves around a mod called volatile quick return which gives you bonus blast radius in exchange for removing bounces from the throw (you dont care about bounces you throw and explode anyways)

[pallid quiver]

Oh so normal quick return is useless?

Where do I get volatile

[late hemlock]

unless im forgetting something i dont think you ever want to touch normal quick return

drops from deimos mobs iirc

[mighty flare]

run precision/flare/hornet strike, just some dmg% with galv shot, if not using flare then run fortifier
mod for viral if you dont have it elsewhere
thats it, just make sure you not hitting with heat abilities first or dropping galv stacks

[mellow nimbus]

Do you just wait for the tennokai or use initial combo?

[tame musk]

is this actually as broken as people say it is

[late hemlock]

cant use tennokai, just initial combo

[late hemlock]

worth noting the reason falcor/xoris are so prevalent as glaives is because when you explode them they force proc electric on everything in the blast radius, so they go really hard with influence

[mellow nimbus]

I'm running out of forma. Which one is better of the two? And which one is easier to use?

[late hemlock]

xoris is a weapon you need to build for a quest so if i had to go with just one of them it would be the xoris

but the one i like to use more is definitely falcor

[maiden oracle]

Mesmer makes you immortal.

[tame musk]

dang do i have to use his arsenal in the guide

its so many things

any dother steel path builds suggestions?

[late hemlock]

immortality is pretty overkill for normal steel path gameplay

you can use most things as long as you actually flesh them out

[woven lynx]

mates is vadarya prime any good?

[lavish orbit]

Yes

[novel bear]

Not really
Mesmer skin is one of the best survivability methods, but there’s plenty of frames that can survive easily at level cap
One shot reave is clunky compared to most casters, and is easier on rhino anyways

[daring summit]

[hoping im doing this correctly]
Im looking for any and all help with deep dive look at my favourite loadout. I posted details Here
https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1470866981820305428

[deep grotto]

ayo what's the element for a primer nukor?

[zenith hatch]

should i keep semi rifle cannonade on cyte09's sniper or should i put galvanized chamber ?

[eternal jasper]

Hey how good is this?

[fathom sky]

Wouldn't bother rolling for it. Not that good of a weapon and not too high a Dispo

[eternal jasper]

So do I keep that?

[fathom sky]

Maybe could scam someone in trade chat for a couple hundred plat

[deep grotto]

DAMN IT HE HAS AN EPHEMERAAA

[pallid quiver]

whats wrong with that

[deep grotto]

I jump at every chance to obtain plat

So he shall be sold

[late hemlock]

Impact

[junior shard]

you guys think this is good for level cap? im thinking on adding gloom and removing regenerative molt

oh, cant add images xD

[pallid quiver]

how much do ephemera go for?

[deep grotto]

100 minimum

Although sometimes people go as low as 50 for some reason

So 50-100 ig

For specifically this kind of lich

[modern yoke]

Gonna need an Arca Titron build

[late hemlock]

basically normal slam influence

you want both nira mods on the frame, seismic wave on the weapon, initial combo then usual crit mods and damage mods

no condi overload, you are doing one slam and its done

[modern yoke]

Mind giving me a visual?

[formal gust]

Does anyone have a Qorvex build?

[late hemlock]

i had no catalyst and arcane adapter, so this is special made for you lol

on the warframe note the 2 nira mods, titron obviously no forma i just put in the catalyst and arcane adapters

to enhance this further you use wrathful advance + purple shards and stuff for big crit slams

@modern yoke

worth noting the weapon does have a passive but it does not activate on kills from the slam influence stuff, i just dont think its worth the bother to build around when it works this well without all that

[modern yoke]

Aight then

[late hemlock]

never got around to setting up a frame with all the purple shards and stuff but it can get a lost nastier, though above you can already see that just the base setup is fine

[royal yarrow]

Will these be good Evade Harrow?

or should i add extra shield via mod and Arcane expertise instead of Molt Augmented

[modern yoke]

How do I get those Mecha and Galvanized Mods?

[royal yarrow]

Galvanized by doing Arbitration curency

[late hemlock]

i will reiterate that the only thing on the frame you need to look at is the 2 nira mods the rest can be empty, thats just whatever i had on saryn

[royal yarrow]

Mecha mods are from Fortuna if im not mistaken

[late hemlock]

yes

this is why you want nira mods

[royal yarrow]

I see

[late hemlock]

ah something i have neglected to mention @modern yoke , magus aggress on operator is a big buff as well, heavy blades count hammers

obviously was not using it (i both forgot and also cba to farm it), but its there if you want to go further beyond

[modern yoke]

Let me guess, A New War for Operator Arcanes?

[late hemlock]

fortuna

i just hate farming that stuff, got my lockdown to 5 and never came back for anything else lol

[modern yoke]

Oh god... Exploiter or Profit Taker?

[late hemlock]

you buy it directly from the syndicate for standing

just need to trade in toroids

[modern yoke]

Ah, ok, phew, so it's just Standing farming, noted

[late hemlock]

actually no im lying to you this is from duviri its even worse

[modern yoke]

Whelp

[modern yoke]

And I need to do A New War before that

Aaaaaaaaand I need to unlock every Node... Whoopie...

[late hemlock]

anyways just get influence, galvanized mods and you will do buttloads of damage anyways

[mighty flare]

For his caster setup, Qorvex likes his 4th augment with high range, then strength ~200%, duration not important unless using a subsume.

He also wants armor strip beit from his augment, companions or subsume. Also another grouping option besides his 2

[formal gust]

I see

[fierce lark]

what is a rough minimum for wisp strength where my EDA team won't get annoyed with me

[late hemlock]

Is there a reason you arent going for a maximum?

[fierce lark]

overextended seemed like the only reasonable thing to put in the default D polarity

for breach surge

[late hemlock]

I wouldn't bother hurting the strength tbh, personally I got a semi level narrow minded but ig you can do like rolling guard

[fierce lark]

huh

i could stick it in the exilus and use boreal's anguish instead of aero vantage

nah this is stupid im just gonna get rid of the slot and add transient

[autumn pebble]

Anyone know good heavy blade ?

[fierce lark]

tenet exec is probably pretty good with a slam build

ive heard good things about gram prime but that's about it

masseter is getting a funny skin soon

[late hemlock]

Sampotes is also p good iirc, titron is great as well

[late hemlock]

Used titron just a few min ago here with extremely unoptimized setup just to show an example

[mighty flare]

Don’t believe either of those are heavy blades

[tawdry trail]

Technically you can unlock steel path before the new war because it doesn't require certain quest-specific areas to be completed, just the main "connected" star chart

[late hemlock]

They count as heavy blades for aggress but yeah they aren't the actual weapon class lol

[fierce lark]

i thought magus hitting hammers was fixed

[late hemlock]

Not according to wiki?

Didn't get around to trying it today

[mighty flare]

Despite the wording, it included hammers too, not them counting as heavy blades iirc

[fierce lark]

i remember something about it getting "fixed", maybe it was the stack count not going down when it was used with hammers

even though it was buffing them

[shell ridge]

Are any of gyres abilities bad for sp

[modern yoke]

I was referring to Duviri for that part, lol

But I do need to unlock Steel Path for multiple reasons

[tawdry trail]

If duviri steel path doesn't require isle weaver you might still be able to

Steel path duviri still requires the unlocking of the star chart steel path iirc

I could be completely wrong about this, it's all on the wiki but the comments contradict a lof of what else is on there

[fierce lark]

the soccer ball is a little questionable, and is usually the subsume slot

[shell ridge]

Thats her 2 right?

[fierce lark]

yeah

[mighty flare]

To subsume over? 1 or 2 depending on whether caster, platformer, or other specifics

[tame vortex]

Would Hyldrin's exalted gain effect from Pistol Amp (aura)?

[red moat]

Question does Arcane persistence work with quick thinking?

Like does the health gate apply to your energy pool if you have the mod of?

On*

[tawdry trail]

the wiki says under bugs that it only caps the damage of each hit to 500, not the damage per second

and also that it works with overguard but it only caps the damage of the first hit every second to 500

so it doesn't really work with either

Maybe they'll fix how it works with quick thinking? I'm not even sure they'll bother removing the overguard interaction because it's so insignificant

[fierce lark]

it would, but it's additive to hornet strike so it's not an insane damage boost

the quick thinking thing is the arcane working the way its supposed to, though unsure if it's their intention. quick thinking recognizes that you can only take up to 500 damage, but because you aren't actually losing any health, nothing is stopping you from taking instances of 500 damage repeatedly

that's also why it works the way it does with overguard, imo

[gaunt gust]

sevagoth, ash, or ember vs deep assmeridian necramechs?

[deep grotto]

Nah you don’t need Isleweaver

[tawdry trail]

thank you galarian darumaka

[dusky flare]

Laetum or Dual Toxocyst Incarnon and why?

[late hemlock]

Toxo for me because of the ricochet

Both are great and you should own both

Also toxo is gonna take a while to come back on rotation as it just left so if you got no adapter just get laetum

[fierce lark]

i should get off my ass and install toxo

[late hemlock]

I had toxo formaed from when they released so at least I had a ready setup when incarnon came out

[teal holly]

So for Sybaris Incarnon, I want to do stat buffs on Prime and crit on Dex, right?

[night laurel]

not sure why you put blind rage in there but equil + synth decons will take care of it for you
its a functional build, how long is the cap on your evade?

asides from toxin and like, acolytes or anyone with aoe, evade harrow will barely take any damage

[tawdry trail]

harrow can kinda just print energy so blind rage is fine no?

his 3 gives energy on kill

[limber dirge]

Any recommendations for fun guns to pair with secondary fortifier? I've been enjoying it on Scyotid and Cestra with my flimsier frames and Dagath but I'd love to try additional options.

[old marsh]

Dex over Prime

Honestly pick any u want. Both slap hard

[tawdry trail]

I like it on the epitaph bc a few charged shots on an eximus can be enough to max it out, or it can be more of a crowd primer / overguard stripper with the uncharged

[teal holly]

Personally I'd recommend any high fire rate high mag size secondary for Fortifier.

Haven't tried it on Epitaph yet, might do that next time I roll Sev.

[tawdry trail]

it does need a bit of base damage to work well with fortifier, I slap augur pact on mine so hornet strike would probably make a big difference

[tawdry ocean]

I have a question. I've seen several Rivens that have the negative Slash on the Larkspur weapon, but the weapon doesn't have Slash by default. What's going on here?

[tawdry trail]

basically means no negative then

[teal holly]

Ah right, the OG strip scales with damage.

[tawdry ocean]

Is that checked?

[tawdry trail]

there's a chance that when new weapons come out that you can roll rivens with negatives for stats they don't have, sometimes they get patched out so this might be an old larkspur riven

happened to some weapon recently, I can't remember which, where you could roll - projectile speed which didn't affect the weapon at all

[subtle pivot]

Any ways I can make My Mesa better? She is basically useless for higher end arb missions. Her 4th wont shoot or target through the shields or target drones. Is it cause I need magnetic or corrosive on it?

[tawdry trail]

drones are just immune to abilities

you could improve the regulators by swapping out augur pact for hornet strike if you've got forma handy

[velvet sundial]

What are some fun non incarnon weapons?

[tawdry trail]

the cedo ❤️

love my cedo prime

also adversary weapons if you're not opposed to the grind for those

[subtle pivot]

And I assume the enemies that are shielded by drones are basically immune too :-;

[tawdry trail]

they're immune to all damage, gotta destroy the drones to get them

[subtle pivot]

sad. Ill stop building into her then. Most enemies are shielded anyways. So her main focus "Aimbot" is basically dead/useless

[midnight horizon]

Guns or melee?

[velvet sundial]

Is the tenet glaxion any good?

[midnight horizon]

Yes

[tawdry trail]

that's only in arbitrations, mesa is cracked and goated for pretty much everything else

tenet glaxion is great

[velvet sundial]

Any honestly just trying to use something other than Torid and burston

[midnight horizon]

I typically use bubonico for my gun and nikana prime for melee

[tawdry trail]

bubonico is recieving a coda variant next month I'm so excited

[midnight horizon]

Are you actually fr

[tawdry trail]

yeah

[ember surge]

Ye

[midnight horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-gif-22427240

[ember surge]

It's coming with shadowgrapher

[velvet sundial]

I should prolly wait for the coda version then

[ember surge]

They showed it on the devstream, the thing is huge

[midnight horizon]

That's actually the best news I've heard this month yet

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/big-floppa-for-bk-gif-25780630

[gusty plume]

anyone got a vauban build they can share

[tawdry ocean]

What should I look for in a Riven for the Larkspur?
fire rate + damage + multishot - slash is the godroll?

[languid elm]

I mean that works but larkspur prime has a pretty crappy dispo so a riven wouldn’t even be worth it

[mighty flare]

low dispo weapons look to for double element rolls to free up mods slots, so cold + toxin while the last slot could be like fire rate to free up automatic trigger for magnetized cycle
or just whatever you get

their low dispo makes "gnolls" pretty weak

[tawdry ocean]

ou :C

[fierce lark]

hogger in shambles

[tawdry ocean]

This was the riven

[mighty flare]

it would replace ur fire rate mod ig

[tawdry ocean]

Yes, that was the idea. Remove automatic trigger and replace it with this.

[mighty flare]

yeah, direct upgrade, go for it

[tawdry ocean]

But then instead of multishot and damage, should I look for something else?

[tawdry ocean]

I don't have that Riven, but I was willing to buy it.

But if it's not that good, I can look for something else.

[brittle sentinel]

Just discovered cleaving whirlwind, is very silly, which weapon uses it best?

[mighty flare]

its a "good" riven, its just that low dispos reduce their value

[tawdry trail]

The point of the low dispo is that no riven is gonna be amazing for that weapon, freeing up some extra slots is about the best you can get

[mighty flare]

yea

[tawdry ocean]

Yes, I understand that.

fire rate is good because it can be equal to or better than automatic trigger

But aside from that, what statistics should I look for?

[tawdry trail]

More multishot and damage is never a bad thing

I think the meta larkspur setup uses primary crux and secondary enervate in the arcant slots so you don't need to worry about status chance or crit chance if that's your cup of tea

[tawdry ocean]

Okay, thanks for all the info :)

[tawdry trail]

🫡

[night laurel]

i forgot to reply lol the aforementioned build subsumes 3 over thurible, so energy gen is entirely from equil
just curious what the strength is for. 2? i think theres a cap with 4's max cc/cd bonus

[tawdry trail]

Ohhh I see

Oh naturally it's evade duh

[night laurel]

personally my evade harrow is all duration+range with a bit of strength squeezed in for 2

[tawdry trail]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

[placid meteor]

Hi, I don't have anyone who knows to share this with, but basically I think I've peaked on my (solo, don't worry) limbo combo. I also hit like 3480% on mecha pulse in the clip I pulled this from.
Just ESO numbers but it felt like I was god for a split second.

[tender charm]

is this build viable for SP long runs

[night laurel]

jesus christ good job!

[queen sandal]

Any Warframe guides you could think I should do peeeerchance

[coral crest]

Vauban, perhaps?

To coincide with Heirloom

The changes shouldn't be too disruptive to account for

[nocturne spindle]

hunter munitions isn't that good anymore, enemy armor isn't as high as it used to be to warrant it

[severe bough]

U can drop HM for either a bane or some unconditional base dmg (amalgam serration) which is quite nice sometimes or run glided truth

[tender charm]

oh okay

should I go for corrosive and blast and since I am using nova I can get heat too from augments

[stable plover]

any tips for my Vasto? Im not one shotting the techrot Babau(lv.135) reliably enugh. my brains gettin burnt out trying to figure it out. [Riven: 163.9 m.shot, 110.6 heat, 286 dmg]

just started using the incarnon from the rotation today. using options 1, 2 and 1 in that order for incarnon abilitys.

also yes im using xatas wisper

[queen sandal]

Oki

[tawdry trail]

Could potentially swap out one of the cold mods for magnetic capacity to handle overguarded enemies better

[night laurel]

whats so special about the interaction btwn Tenet Plinx and acuity?

[velvet pulsar]

Suit

[coral crest]

It's just a good pew pew pistol

[queen sandal]

Suit.

[velvet pulsar]

You're outdated

[night laurel]

d'aw
just got a plinx sister for hound parts and i heard about its alt fire with acuity

[velvet pulsar]

And I'm sure u saw the Loki MFD video.

[night laurel]

not really, i don't really watch wf content creators 😓 just saw it mentioned

[velvet pulsar]

Well, that's what made T.Plinx acuity that famous

The alt fire used to have multiplicative acuity scaling

Which made Tenet Plinx the gun with the highest number of multiplicative multipliers.

[velvet pulsar]

We used to have:

1. Multiplicative acuity crit
2. Multiplicative gunCO
3. Multiplicative gimmick of alt fire damage scaling with magazine capacity.
4. Easy usage of Secondary Surge for further 8× multiplier.
5. And whatever external multiplier u wanna apply from your frame and other weapons like simulor.

Now we don't have multiplicative acuity crit, but it is still the gun with the potential of easiest dmg cap IMO.

[night laurel]

i see, thanks!

[viscid bane]

Thoughts?

[velvet pulsar]

Awful

[fierce lark]

-status chance on paris is a big oof

[night laurel]

+heat but -sc thats just a sparkler

you may occasionally proc. Once a day

[velvet pulsar]

It was affordable if it was a beam

[unkempt rivet]

What frame would benefit from having Wyrd Scythes put onto it?

[velvet pulsar]

Limbo

[viscid bane]

My idea was run it in place of hellfire and use hammer shot to compensate

[unkempt rivet]

A frame I don’t hav nor have a desire to play lol
Any others? Or is it just him?

[velvet pulsar]

Any ability nuker who doesn't have a viral primer

Like reave nuke setup I guess

Although Dagath uses Reave nuke better with Wyrd Scythes than Revenant with Wyrd Scythe subsume.

[unkempt rivet]

Would you say nova could prolly benefit?

[mighty flare]

no one really wants scythes, its like a second pick at best

[velvet pulsar]

I guess nova can

Though she could have better options

Maybe use it on oberon

Pair Smite with its viral

[mighty flare]

oberon has several options before even considering scythes

[velvet pulsar]

Everyone has

[unkempt rivet]

Idk what I’d get rid of tbh
I kinda use all his abilit-
Well I guess I don’t really use renewal all that often

[mighty flare]

and no roar makes smite a lot worse on either aoe/single-target

[velvet pulsar]

Now that we have smite subsume, the value of Wyrd Scythes have reduced more, even for limbo

[thorn oak]

blaze or scattering inferno

[velvet pulsar]

Blaze

[fierce lark]

incendiary coat?

[velvet pulsar]

It wasn't asked, so I didn't answer.

[thorn oak]

is incendiary coat really the best option

[fierce lark]

probably

maximizes the heat weighting on an extremely high status output gun

[thorn oak]

intersante

[velvet pulsar]

interSanta

[fierce lark]

are you using crux or deadhead

[thorn oak]

i have no decided on an arcane yet

[velvet pulsar]

Absolutely shouldn't use any of these on kohm

[fierce lark]

if you say debilitate i swear to jesus

[velvet pulsar]

Where the hell is ur mind drifting?

[thorn oak]

everyone says debilitate is good but i have not found a good use for it on any of my shotguns

[fierce lark]

plated round?

[velvet pulsar]

Have u completely forgot Overcharge exists?

[fierce lark]

of course not, it's just a meme

[velvet pulsar]

It's not good. It's an exaggeration.

[thorn oak]

thought so it doesnt seem good at all over just normal damage

plated round does make sense to me

how much is the damage increase per round

I was gonna try and be funny and roll my riven to be magazine capacity

[velvet pulsar]

Even half of max Overcharge stack gives more MS than what frostbite or blight could give.

[mighty flare]

crux is perfectly fine on kohm

overcharge is frame and player dependent, wouldn't say its most consistent

[fierce lark]

that doesn't make it good, you have to do weird shit with your build and you likely end up having to sacrifice ability usage to make it work

isn't typically something that just fits in

[fierce lark]

it's close to 500% with the base mag size, the issue with it is it only lasts 10 seconds

[thorn oak]

Yea

[velvet pulsar]

I guess u can meme more SC via crux.

[thorn oak]

does fire rate make the kohm ramp up faster

[fierce lark]

naturally

[velvet pulsar]

Also I'm hearing half bad half good opinions about Blast Kohm.

Any clarification?

[thorn oak]

i always just run viral heat on everything cuz it seems to be the most versatile imo

[velvet pulsar]

Some justify that because it's a shotgun, each pellet count individually contributes to blast tick rather than the collective shot, however others say it doesn't matter anyway coz the blast proc rate is high enough to make up for it.

[fierce lark]

if you outsource viral corroblast is probably fine

can go toxin/heat progenitor and fit both primed elemental mods

[mighty flare]

i would just go viral electric with magnetic valence

[thorn oak]

how much better would that be i dont go super high level like only to like 200-300 steel path is the highest usually

[fierce lark]

probably a lot better until things start living long enough for heat inherit to outscale

and that shouldn't happen outside of lvlcap

[thorn oak]

okay I will try that

did we come to a consensus on the arcane

[mighty flare]

crux

[fierce lark]

crux

[thorn oak]

alright

[stable plover]

nvm figured it out.

did not need xatas wisper

[velvet pulsar]

I'll try the funny build of subsume nourish on Xaku's 1.

[coral crest]

Give me overcharge garuda or give me death

[velvet pulsar]

You'll get Overcharge Yareli.

[fierce lark]

look if your build already builds over 1k energy and doesn't need to cast much, by all means

[coral crest]

Death it is

[stable plover]

this vasto build is what im using now.

[velvet pulsar]

Death it really is.

[coral crest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lava-cat-minecraft-cat-gif-13440479435726322249

[stable plover]

corrosive > Gas

[velvet pulsar]

I wonder if secondary surge would buff only one pellet of vasto

[stable plover]

i would try it, but i only have a rank 0 secondary surge

nvm it rank 1 now. ill try it. once with no arcane then after using the 2nd surge

[velvet pulsar]

Even an unranked surge slaps

[thorn oak]

I think plated round is good actually

[mighty flare]

its not

[coral crest]

If you can mag dump in 10 seconds and have a lot of ammo, and your reload isn't ass

Grakata, Quellor or whatever

[thorn oak]

with the kohm with -20% fire rate from crit decel it empies the mag in like 12 seconds

[coral crest]

Garuda saves the day again

[fierce lark]

what happens when there's any amount of downtime whatsoever tho

you aren't shooting things 24/7

even if you theoretically could dump the mag within the buff duration

[thorn oak]

then id have to just deal with it but majority of the time i am shooting

I dont play warframes that i gotta spam abilities really

so knockdown would be most of my problem from that

I just feel like being at just over 500% status is so insane

[fierce lark]

not just that, but moving between packs of enemies, doing a mission objective like carrying something that blocks your primary or forces you to be in operator

[thorn oak]

holy cow if i ran crux on my boar id be at 725 status chance

[fierce lark]

there's a lot of different ways you can and will lose your damage boost mid-fight for what isn't that much more damage than deadhead, and you have crux there to let you spam the fast firing status shotgun with now way more status for even longer

[stable plover]

seems like 2nd surge only lets the first volly get the dmg boost not the rest of the shots. cuz the first trigger pull lets out 4 vollys rappidly, seems like only the first volly gets the dmg boost.

[thorn oak]

ok i will run crux

i am convinced

[fierce lark]

plated round needs either way more duration or a full redesign

[stable plover]

so in order to get the full 4 vollys to get the dmg bonus u would need to stack it 4 times (aka the max stack) by using 4 abilitys before you shoot. seems not good.

not for vasto incarnon anyway.

nvm i mathed wrong, there are 6 vollys.

so only the first 4 would get the dmg boost.

with max stacks

[velvet pulsar]

I even wonder that it won't buff the full burst

Only the first shot of the burst

[stable plover]

my build has too much multi shot in incarnon, its hard to tell exactly lol. ill need to record it.

[velvet pulsar]

Don't bother. Surge realistically fits single shot devastators than burst.

[stable plover]

ok, i took every mod off to doubble check and it seems the boost does cut out early before the full burst finnishes.

[thorn oak]

Ok another question, is it worth running elementalist

[velvet pulsar]

Ty for confirmation

[velvet pulsar]

Yes

[thorn oak]

i really wish novas antimatter drop augment made it so status and crits went through it

now i have to roll my kohm riven 1000 times hoping for crit chance and damage with fire rate (it wont happen)

[velvet pulsar]

I still gotta reroll my glaxion riven

Been running that -SC

[thorn oak]

I cannot stand shotguns that cant crit

im hoping this kohm can compete with my boar

[velvet pulsar]

Kohm can crit decently

[thorn oak]

this is what my boar is sitting at right now

once again running blaze but u guys make me think blaze is not good

[velvet pulsar]

U already have modded it to above 50%
And now because u have that ridiculous status chance and some puncture, kohm will boost its own crit to further flat +25%

Hence you'll have above 75% CC

Boar incarnon doesn't have puncture

[thorn oak]

true

i actually dont care much for the incarnon mode to be honest

[tawdry trail]

I love boar incarnon

My token debilitate weapon

[thorn oak]

i love the feeling of the regular boar more than the incarnon

[tawdry trail]

One million status effects to you 🫵

[thorn oak]

regular boar is definately the most satisfying shotgun imo

[tawdry trail]

Cedo and hek more satisfying for me

[velvet pulsar]

I gotta remember which one among strun or boar has the magazine refill perk.

[late hemlock]

Tigris

[velvet pulsar]

Only then I could say the most satisfying regular shotgun

[thorn oak]

i use to love the tigris but i hate the 2 shot "magazine" it has

maybe ill get the prime and retry it

[tawdry trail]

You can get it right now

[late hemlock]

Eh it's not "good" nowadays

Satisfying as hell though

[tawdry trail]

If they ever add more incarnons let one be the tigris

[mighty flare]

strun

[thorn oak]

idk what kind of incarnon it would have but that would be cool

what is the struns incarnon

[tawdry trail]

Semi trigger big aoe projectile 500% status chance

Roughly

[thorn oak]

I need to buy a bubonico riven

[velvet pulsar]

Nice

[thorn oak]

before they up in price

[tawdry trail]

The multishot you are capable of achieving on the main fire is crazy though

[thorn oak]

I dont think i have ever used the strun

[velvet pulsar]

I feel lucky after reading this.
Though RNG has rained a lot more luck on me.

[thorn oak]

i have most of its prime parts

[tawdry trail]

I just used the wraith

Close enough

[thorn oak]

is the wraith better than the prime

[tawdry trail]

No

But it's a pretty tiny difference I think

[velvet pulsar]

Wraith has better SC

but Prime is overall better

[thorn oak]

I will keep that in mind then

[velvet pulsar]

There are other cases when Prime incarnons are not outright better choice.

[thorn oak]

okay how does multishot work on the kohm

[coral crest]

Same as normal. More bullet per bullet.

[thorn oak]

im assuming since it uses multiple rounds in the mag that it goes off that

[coral crest]

It doesn't have any deviation from what shotguns have

[thorn oak]

so if i shoot one its 2 and then when its shooting up to say 4 id be shooting 8

okay so its not confusing then its just not in the stats to see

i really dont know what im gonna replace for this riven

[queen sandal]

If anyone locates a nezha main bring them my way

[vernal wolf]

is a tenet envoy riven worthless?

[coral crest]

Buddy this isn't region chat

[velvet pulsar]

Your poll ain't winning buddy.

U have plenty of time to kidnap a nezha player at gunpoint.

[queen sandal]

Bruh

[karmic badger]

Well its dispo is garbage, and its only used for on call crews or wukong. Sooo, its only good for personal use

[queen sandal]

Huh?

[velvet pulsar]

Yareli is winning.

[coral crest]

It's Yarover

[queen sandal]

I’m just planning a nezha main when I need it for the next guide yk

[vernal wolf]

gotcha that makes sense lol

[nocturne heron]

How do i get survivability on gauss? i did infact use aegis and -recharge delay but still kept getting one shot at around lvl 3k for some reason... i had less survivability than on uriel

[fierce lark]

if you have aegis + fast deflection and you died to something that wasn't toxin damage, it means you got caught at low battery

[velvet pulsar]

It means u didn't get rid of ur 2

[nocturne heron]

how do i keep battery up?

[nocturne heron]

no i didnt cuz i dont have psf and use xoris

[velvet pulsar]

Don't use 2
If u cast heat sunder, use mach rush or cold sunder to regain battery

Or use 2 only when redline maxes to 100%

[nocturne heron]

so i basicly need psf to actually use gauss with xoris is what im getting from this

[fierce lark]

as long as you don't let your battery drain after pressing redline, or you don't cancel redline early, you should never go below 100% battery

[velvet pulsar]

Except redline always takes 1/3rd of total duration to reach 100%

[nocturne heron]

and there is no way to have knockdown resistance except using his 2 right?

[fierce lark]

100% battery, not 100% redline

[velvet pulsar]

I'm using status Immunity subsume

[fierce lark]

100% battery is that line that you can’t go over unless redline is active

sorry no that’s 80%

[velvet pulsar]

Thank u

Finally

[nocturne heron]

mhm

[fierce lark]

but you still go to 100% and stay there regardless, when redline finishes charging is when battery no longer drains

[velvet pulsar]

I spam mach rush for that

[nocturne heron]

i dont rlly wanna waste a subsume to get knockdown resistance... cause i wanna get xatas whisper

[velvet pulsar]

Also for knockdown resist, u can use Well of Life or Titania subsume.

[velvet pulsar]

Understandable, I guess arcane fortifier?

[nocturne heron]

the damage is too low

[velvet pulsar]

Unairu?

[nocturne heron]

Gotta level that up first (dont even have the first stage)

[velvet pulsar]

If only we had Primed Rapid Resilience

[fierce lark]

why exactly do you need psf to use xoris?

[velvet pulsar]

The self stagger

[fierce lark]

don’t blow it up in front of your own face

[nocturne heron]

thats super hard

[velvet pulsar]

Too bad ur companion won't listen to u

[nocturne heron]

yea

its actually unreal

but idk what else to use for trash kill

[fierce lark]

it really isn’t, and i use glaives pretty regularly

im not sure how the companion is related

[nocturne heron]

it pops up right in the way and you hit ur companion with ur glaive and stagger yourself and DIE

[midnight horizon]

any help?

[fierce lark]

sentinels are going to be above you, not in front of you

and beasts are going to be where the people you’re throwing the glaive at are, doing claw things

[nocturne heron]

also if the enemies dont appear in groups the damage of the glaive is horrendously low when not using a melee frame

[fierce lark]

you want the mod that gives it status chance from your primary, and ideally run a high status primary with it

[midnight horizon]

Which is?

[fierce lark]

don’t remember what it’s called

[coral crest]

It's the mecha claw mod

[midnight horizon]

Overdrive?

[coral crest]

Yeah

Best weapon to get stats for it with full dedication is paris prime incarnon, I think

But any decent status weapon can do good

[midnight horizon]

Any of you have a spare?

It's quite expensive damn...

[coral crest]

Not the worst to farm

[midnight horizon]

Found someone who is selling it for 5p so I guess I got lucky now

[coral crest]

Have fun

[midnight horizon]

So Mecha Overdrive and Mecha Pulse (that's the one I have) for warframe?

Those 2 would work?

[coral crest]

You need all 4 mods to make mecha actually usable

[midnight horizon]

Oh whaaaat

[coral crest]

Set bonus is really weak and leaves tons of gaps before you hit r4 bonus

Empowered aura
Pulse Warframe mod
Recharge Kubrow mod
Overdrive Kubrow claws

[midnight horizon]

Oof

[coral crest]

You probably can get away with r3

[coral crest]

What are you gonna use it for?

[fierce lark]

if it’s any encouragement, full mecha set does extremely stupid numbers

[late hemlock]

4 set is never worth it for companions

Use 3 set with summoners wrath

[midnight horizon]

Eh I wanna see if a Kubrow is any good

[coral crest]

The different time it takes to mark an enemy between r3 and r4 is pretty damn huge

[velvet pulsar]

Ain't no way you're gonna sacrifice Mecha Empowered

[midnight horizon]

This Mecha set thingy

[late hemlock]

Summoners wrath is way more damage than empowered

[velvet pulsar]

Straight up Raksa Kubrow or Sahasa Kubrow

[late hemlock]

For a companion build specifically

[midnight horizon]

I have Sunika.....

[velvet pulsar]

Will work

[coral crest]

They're all gonna be fine

Except maybe Chesa. Those claws are really weak

[late hemlock]

Sunika is the strongest for damage

[velvet pulsar]

I thought Huras has highest stats?