builds-discussion

[fierce lark]

it's fire rate loss, which is bad but it's not terrible, it's offset a bit by lethal torrent

[late hemlock]

move aside camisado, bellicose is here with 1100 hp

[pallid quiver]

Oh it’s fire rate loss

Wait which one is the accuracy one

[fierce lark]

and if you have reinforced bond on your companion in addition, you barely notice it

[pallid quiver]

Magnum force?

[fierce lark]

magnum force yeah

[pallid quiver]

Ohhh

I keep mixing them up lol

[real ravine]

tysm :)

[fierce lark]

secondary version of heavy haliber i think

[late hemlock]

no no nooooooooooo

what have i done

[pallid quiver]

Ruh roh

[real ravine]

?

[pallid quiver]

Honestly it has razor mortar that’s all u need

Spin to win

[late hemlock]

someone shitposted a build (or maybe it was serious????) dont use that

[fierce lark]

the build has some very questionable modding choices (like a strength arcane which is strictly worse than another one) and the person got very defensive when asked about it, it was just a piss take

im still troubleshooting a bit, adaptation is questionable

i also use caliban exclusively with shade

[bold estuary]

does caliban really need 400% plus strength I feel like diminishing returns kick in around then

[fierce lark]

i mean why not right

[real ravine]

so I should use this one?

[fierce lark]

as a template at the very least

razor mortar, positive duration and range, big strength number

and archon stretch/max energy source

[pallid quiver]

The durations a bit low no?

How long do u get before the boys despawn

[fierce lark]

1min

[real ravine]

its for me or the other person

[fierce lark]

or like 58s

[mighty flare]

caliban uses strength like 6 times over, doesn't really need much of the other stats

[pallid quiver]

I have my duration at like 80 seconds

But my strengths a bit lower

[fierce lark]

for you. i dont think the other person is interested in my opinion

[pallid quiver]

And I didn’t potato him so no space for mortar rn lol

[fierce lark]

no potato is crazy

[pallid quiver]

I’m seeing everyone have cunning drift on their exilus slot

[fierce lark]

how do you mod with 54 capacity

[pallid quiver]

Just how useful is that thing

[fierce lark]

44**

[real ravine]

I thought u were responding to him haha, ty then, REALLY appreciate the help im mr7 atm so Ion really know much about this game

[pallid quiver]

With much pain and difficulty and sadness

[fierce lark]

about as useful as power drift

[pallid quiver]

Would u like to donate some potatoes

[fierce lark]

im sure nora night has some

[pallid quiver]

Those r so overpriced tho

[fierce lark]

actually between all these lotus gifts and the razorback and other stuff im getting flooded with catalysts

[bold estuary]

its power drift but for range

[late hemlock]

kinda the main source to get em sadly so it is what it is unless you wanna plat

[pallid quiver]

I gotta go look up where to get these soon, they seem useful af

[fierce lark]

lua puzzles

they're annoying as shit to farm just buy them

[pallid quiver]

Lowkey I sell other stuff from the store there for plat and then I buy catalysts for plat

[fierce lark]

power & cunning drift are the only important ones

[bold estuary]

lua tomfoolery incredibly annoying

[real ravine]

2,25k hours

[pallid quiver]

Is that not the play

[real ravine]

what mr r u

[pallid quiver]

Real I only stumbled upon that room once

And I got one of the bad mods

[late hemlock]

i remember going for the lua mods when they came out it was kinda fun?

[fierce lark]

i feel violated

30 lol

[late hemlock]

you do some challenge and its guaranteed i dont think its that bad

[bold estuary]

you can actually get powerdrift in the ESO lua room

[fierce lark]

the issue is getting the right one

there's like 7 different puzzles

[late hemlock]

been some years but i definitely dont remember it being a struggle idk

[fierce lark]

and most of them have a useless mod

i have so many agility drifts it hurts

[late hemlock]

will admit most of the time im a psf connoisseur either way so i rarely get to use drift mods

[fierce lark]

oh on the note of caliban

if/when you get the helminth, and if you're able to get grendel

subsume nourish over his 4, his summons inherit casted buffs so when you rip razor gyres they'll start spreading viral

[real ravine]

ya I didnt understand a single thing

[fierce lark]

eh you'll get there

im sure you know about the entrati family on deimos

[bold estuary]

when you put the fat man in the chair give his ability to caliban over calibans fourth ability

[real ravine]

aa

that makes more sense

[fierce lark]

helminth good

[real ravine]

yall think caliban is good? so far its the most comfortable frame I have played

[late hemlock]

easy build to play so why not

[real ravine]

okay okay

[fierce lark]

caliban is insane yeah

mobility, grouping, level-scaling nuke in 1 button that doesn't break stealth

[real ravine]

nuke?

[fierce lark]

press button room dies

[real ravine]

fourth ability?

[fierce lark]

"nuke" usually refers to abilities that are intended to wipe groups quickly

[worthy siren]

What do I build Dagath for? str and duration?

[real ravine]

yeah but I cant think of an ability from caliban that sosa tbat

[fierce lark]

razor gyre with the augment

it's not a nuke in the traditional sense, but it injects large amounts of meth into his ortholysts and causes them to slaughter anything in your spin cycle

[fierce lark]

strength, duration (can run narrow minded), spectral spirit augment

[real ravine]

I use the like guys that shoot third ability + first ability and everything dies

[fierce lark]

you can subsume evade over 1/4 if you want to be functionally immortal

and just cycle between evade and grave spirit

[fierce lark]

yes

[real ravine]

yee thats crazy

[mighty flare]

strength always, duration if augment, range if not but still positive duration

[fierce lark]

what would be the purpose of playing without the augment

[mighty flare]

just preference in playstyle and scenario

augment calls for high duration and some method of cheesing its cooldown
base dagath gets more slots

[fierce lark]

evade subsume would be the way to cheese its cooldown

if you felt like doing that

[mighty flare]

one method

[fierce lark]

fwiw i dont think ive ever died on dagath

[mighty flare]

survivability isnt real issue on either setup, just preference on how you want to manage doom and her crit buff

[fierce lark]

rakhali making you immune and likely killing whatever's in front of you makes it pretty easy

[worthy siren]

What aura mod is a Zenurik polarity?

[astral tinsel]

brief respite

[worthy siren]

what does that do?

[astral tinsel]

for example

[astral tinsel]

gives you shields when you cast abilities based on energy spent

[worthy siren]

oh

[tame musk]

i finished now farming my first incarnon

how to find people to do circut with me

[odd dome]

do it on public

you have like 1 hr 45 mins before weekly reset and the whole thing changes so gl

[narrow granite]

if ya stay in till ya reach t10 ye dont have time limit

[odd dome]

herculean task for a fresh steel pather in public missions

[late hemlock]

I only farm till t5 nowadays ngl, t10 circuit is such a time sink

[celest thicket]

which weapon can get the biggest damage number in the stats arsenal without a riven ?

[late hemlock]

Maybe slam melees? Those are hundreds of thousands

[celest thicket]

i was joking around with a lex and just putting alot of damage on it just to see where it goes, it got to 111k in the arsenal, now im wondering which weapon can get the highest

just for science

[odd dome]

same its like 4x the amount of circuit to go to 10

[late hemlock]

My mire / dark sword afflictions builds are sitting at 200k ish

[gleaming lotus]

guys what would be better on atlas? steel charge or growing power mod?

because i fell like steel charge might be actually better

(and it will give me more capacity)

[celest thicket]

steel charge, power strenght doesnt help as much as it seems

that said, against factions with armor , corrosive projection is going to give the biggest damage boost

[odd dome]

385k with kuva hek and 1 slot open (could be dmg / element / multishot riven?)

that is alt fire though which is kinda cheaty

[worthy siren]

Enervate or Empowered with Kuva Nukor?

[late hemlock]

Enervate is the only correct answer on nukor

[fierce lark]

empowered is never the correct answer

embarrassment of an arcane

[worthy siren]

oh

[late hemlock]

Yknow I just auto assumed he meant flare

[nova swift]

I think I used it at one point on a lazy lavos build with pyrana prime build for max multishot

for profit taker

[tawdry trail]

that sounds kinda interesting

[fierce lark]

it's not as bad as it looks, because unlike other similar arcanes it does actually trigger multiple times when a shot procs multiple statuses at once

but then it's much worse than it looks because it doesn't scale with anything

[nova swift]

also, nobody told me banshee gets to shoot null stars doing 50-100k damage

thats hilarious

[worthy siren]

What is ya'lls build for Dagath?

Also does range matter for Dagath's 4?

[mighty flare]

no

[mighty flare]

if augment, use narrow minded in other slot
if not, can use range or other qol mods
open exilus, aura, & arcane up to you

[worthy siren]

catalyzing shields?

[mighty flare]

yea

[celest thicket]

wait , does Archon vitality doubles the procs of all lavos abilities that are imbued with heat or just the heat procs ?

[fierce lark]

just the heat procs

[celest thicket]

oh, the wording on the mod made me a bit excited

DE and cryptic descriptions, basically a marriage

[tawdry trail]

"heat status effects from abilities will be applied twice" would be nicer

[fierce lark]

i feel like either way you'd rather imbue your other stuff with corrosive or viral or magnetic

strip/health/shield damage

for the big catalyze

[tawdry trail]

toxin can be a nice imbue with archon continuity for the big catalyze

I think, I don't really use lavos for catalyze

[mild drum]

Ok I think I cooked with this one(titania prime built btw)

The DMG is insane

[daring summit]

anyone got a good coda DT build?

[midnight horizon]

What's DT

[daring summit]

dual torxica

[celest thicket]

i really like playing him , but mostly on the controller because you can easily move around and still choose a element, on keyboard its kinda hard to do that, i generally have to do it while jumping or using his 2

[nova swift]

It also doesnt double, it just adds 1 heat proc to the effect. So a heat imbued catalyse would apply 3 heat procs, not 4

[tawdry trail]

I have inverted tap/hold casts on lavos, it's so much more comfy

I also really like playing Lavos but mostly as a weapons platform bc I love valence formation so much

he's so awesome

[celest thicket]

its so funny to see old posts talking about profit taker , and how much preparation you need, and now we just valence formation

[tawdry trail]

truly

archgun arcanes have added another layer of ease to profit taker too

I love being able to go in and not switch a weapon at all

[celest thicket]

are you me ?

[tawdry trail]

https://tenor.com/view/point-gif-2450101530054484962

[celest thicket]

tho my normal lavos was the most used this year, i took a break after 1999 and missed lavos access

[late hemlock]

If you bothered to make a loaded centered around farming profit taker you might as well do it with chroma either way

[tawdry trail]

I have done it with both and lavos makes it so much easier, for me at least

as far as I'm aware chroma can't give one weapon any elemental damage whenever he wants

I don't care about the credits... I'm in it for the bloodshed sigil

[celest thicket]

i wonder if anyone is crazy enough to do profit taker with just lavos and chroma abilities (and archgun), barring the final phase because time gated

oh wait the master of the elements cant combine elements, forgot

chroma reworkd when

[tawdry trail]

if you subsumed an ability that benefits from weapon damage buffs maybe, it would restrict the elements you could use a bit though

[nova swift]

old video, but still relevant (although on call is bugged rn) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5pqL8I1gE

[celest thicket]

on call is bugged ?

i remember not working on consoles but was there a new bug ?

[nova swift]

Yea for me on call is disabled in every mission I do

[tawdry trail]

the max standing tells me everything I need to know

[celest thicket]

kinda crazy ngl

[tawdry trail]

the ogris strat with the pylons is so funny

[nova swift]

Yea its kinda cool, you could do it with saryn/cyte/lavos too in some flavour

use the primary to deal with pylons, use the contagion zaw + secondary + on call crewmate to deal with the rest

[tawdry trail]

necramech for the archgun segments is cool too, I haven't seen that before surprisingly

bypasses the whole animation

[timber ocean]

BURSTON PRIME INCARNON IS IN YAY

[pallid quiver]

of the other incarnons which ones are good lol

[odd dome]

Nami Solo rules

[celest thicket]

Its a good way to do if for some reason you want to do the mission in a squishy frame

[fierce lark]

nami solo is the best light influence melee available

[pallid quiver]

oh

oops i went for the soma

[nocturne heron]

could someone give me a good dual toxocyst and furis build? incarnon ofc

[rose owl]

hi is there a build where u can combine multiple effects, like Viral and Corrosive, if yes, what s the best combination to have like general, for the most ammout of dmg ?

[old marsh]

Ye but it’s broken on beam weapons.

[old marsh]

Viral heat

Heat strips half the armor and viral does 4.25x dmg at 10 stacks. And heat procs do additional DOT which makes Viral Heat a staple. Unless u find certain synergies with Corrosive Cold or Viral Electric or Gas Electric

[torpid pine]

Guys i need to make my bolted incarnon good for steel path. Should i go crit focus or status?

[old marsh]

Generally u want both.

A balanced Crit and Status build is where it’s at

[torpid pine]

So galvanized mixed with 60/60s?

[old marsh]

If u lack crit then use a frame that can buff it like Harrow, Gyre or even Nyx/Zephyr

[old marsh]

Yup

[fierce lark]

if you're talking about combining combined elements, the only one you can realistically get with mods that makes sense is corrosive blast, and typically that requires one of the elements be innate

you can get viral corrosive on any weapon and any frame with nourish subsume however, and some weapons have viral/corrosive innate

[torpid pine]

Alrighty thanks

[rose owl]

so viral corrosive it s kinda the best ? i see like 2 day ago a build with a primary weapon that u dont need to use,u go insted some buff on dagger type weapon ,so u bscl use dagger type weapon with second weapon, he was doing that on volt, he use a specific volt mod for the first abiliti

but i thk that buff dont work anymore like the combo

[fierce lark]

argonak with amalgam mod and ceramic dagger?

and then shock trooper

the argonak mod makes dagger hits strip armor, shock trooper gives your weapons electricity which lets ceramic dagger incarnon build gas/blast with 1 mod and still use influence, very strong combo

[rose owl]

he use RAKTA DARK DAGGER

for the infint shields

as dagger type

[fierce lark]

eh whatever works

[rose owl]

yea

but i wanna try to make that build

but i dont have or dont know like a open map where i can build like a practice tool

[fierce lark]

any mission at all can be a practice tool

[rose owl]

yea yea

but i mean i dont have the mods or the specific weapon

[grand briar]

idk what else i can upgrade her with 😭 im trying steel path but she aint going very far

[lusty goblet]

Anyone got a good Atlas build for me i'm trying to find one and nothing is... amazing

[smoky widget]

is this good

[toxic latch]

Which move is typically replaced on citrine? What do you typically replace it with? And why?

[pallid quiver]

how do i build hildryn and her balefires?

are any mods must haves for it

apart from the aegis gale mod

[mighty flare]

She likes high range and strength, use shield mods like redirection or boreals

[drifting anchor]

I guess the best to remove would be maybe the 1 or 2, depending on what you have that can replace those in your loadout.

I don't remove any, personally, but if I were to I would remove the 1 and replace with roar for better ticks on elemental procs as a generalist move.

But 3 and 4 are really good (4 could be replaced as well, but is good for big damage and more CC)

But 1 is really good for quickly smacking enemies to get the 3 to attack them while 2 is just good ol survivability (but is only up to 90% so if level cap basically useless)

Asides from roar I guess any ability that can hit enemies with damage to activate her 3 would be a good choice to make her more comfy.

[stiff flower]

what should this last slot be?

Chroma exodia contagion. i dont need more Crit chanec. i dont need flat damage. i have gotten as much crit damage as i can xD i have base attack speed. i have condition overload to one shot thrax and acolytes. besides maybe a 90 heat mod im not sure what else.

[pallid quiver]

not duration?

[mighty flare]

You can keep it positive, just not high priority, some setups even put it at negative

[toxic latch]

Ok thank you!

[pallid quiver]

ah gotcha

where do i get the arcane that increases her shields a ton btw

[stiff flower]

anyone got feedback for me ? :<

[mighty flare]

Expertise? The new places like descendía or talking to the people in new sanctum

[main silo]

what should i change on this >< cos the corrosive is so low does it make it pointless? or should i swap vigilante out for something cos i have hells? or am i just completely wrong ? lol - figured the crit and dmg is good as it has a decent crit to start as a wep, but im abit lost when stacking status

[pallid quiver]

man so old peace then

[fierce lark]

what weapon is this

and yes vigilante armaments should be swapped for a fire rate mod

i dont see how you're getting corrosive unless this is a kuva shotgun, the mods make blast toxin

[nocturne spindle]

Is this the kuva sobek

[main silo]

yteah its the sobek

but the lectric is really low :()

dropping armants drops my sheet dmg by a lot

like 3k

[fierce lark]

delete blaze, add charged shell and do viral+electric, replace armaments with a fire rate mod

nothing complicated

clip delegation was in the nightwave store recently, idk if it still is

but that would be way better than chamber

[main silo]

how do i make it do viral electric lol

[fierce lark]

swap toxic barrage and blaze, then remove blaze and replace it with charged shell

or primed charge shell if you have that

[main silo]

this has like halved the dmg on the sheet tho

im totally lost at statuses tbh

this is with viral and electic and barrage for fire rate

[nocturne spindle]

P sure I checked two days ago and it wasn't, but since the week just reset idk

[main silo]

oh she does have energy syhon tho might get that

[fierce lark]

electric does dot, heat does dot, both are good for damage

corrosive strips armor, viral adds a very large damage vulnerability to health, viral is very very very important most of the time

[main silo]

but does swapping what i did there make up for like minus 7k dmg on the sheet ?

[fierce lark]

given your only source of base damage is regular point blank and blaze i would've said do viral heat, but you can't do that because the progenitor is electricity

[main silo]

ic 🙁

[fierce lark]

you could do corrosive heat but then you'd be missing a primed mod

[main silo]

i spawned my lavaling b4 i knew this

[fierce lark]

heat instead of electric there makes radiation and that's both a useless status and has a damage penalty against corrupted

if you had galvanized savvy or a damage arcane it would solve all of these problems

[main silo]

i dont have a damage arcane yet , the ones i saw are sp?

[fierce lark]

yeah

[main silo]

i need to max the weapon out to swap the dmg type i think

[nocturne spindle]

Yea elemental vices can only be used on adversary weaps with 5 forma

[main silo]

would that be worth doing?

[fierce lark]

here im gonna fix this entire problem in a sec

[main silo]

ok 🙂

there is just so much to the modding i get totally lost

but i dont wanan just put a build in i see in the website cos i wont learn

[night laurel]

i really wish Radiated Reload wasnt rad :( its +40% reload for 7 cap but adds Rad into my gun

[hot minnow]

sup, I modded the bow from the new war quest and it's nuking enemies right now, so I'm not struggling like I was

[fierce lark]

as expected, nataruk is ridiculously busted

[fierce lark]

is dougal9536 your name in-game?

[main silo]

i love Nataruk , its so fun

[main silo]

nah its Costelloo

[pallid quiver]

reminds me, do u still need that other hexis mod

[hot minnow]

even on higher lv missions, I usually ran out of ammo on boss fights since my damage per bullet was slow, now even if I do deal low damage (which I won't,likely), it's infinite ammo

[main silo]

yeah i do , i got some standing to make a trade, but i might take a differnt mod , i have a couple i need from there

[fierce lark]

sent inv

[pallid quiver]

works for me

[main silo]

ty man

[old marsh]

which hexis mod? I am willing to trade for some steel meridian or red veil

[fierce lark]

max that and run it in place of point blank, and lose the fire rate mod, replace it with whatever

[pallid quiver]

i have enough standing for u too what u need?

[fierce lark]

it's not a good long term solution, you want fire rate, but at least it'll cover you on base damage until you can get galv savvy or primary merciless/deadhead

it's giving almost double what you get from blaze + pb lol

and punch through is nice

[main silo]

whats it called i cant find it in the mess of my mods

[fierce lark]

semi-shotgun cannonade

[old marsh]

honestly don’t know. I have all the augments I need. But I do wanna buy all augments regardless. For a rainy day

[fierce lark]

wait im stupid

[hoary oak]

What's the best stats to reroll for Rubico riven?

[fierce lark]

sobek isn't a semi shotgun LMAO hold on

[main silo]

oh 😄

[hoary oak]

I have 500k kuva

[fierce lark]

i'll just buy you a copy of galv savvy jfc

[main silo]

❤️

[fierce lark]

timewasting tax because my brain takes unregistered vacations

[pallid quiver]

just lmk which ones u want, if possible i need razorwing and spectral spirit lol, so choose 2 u dont have rn

[nocturne spindle]

Wait did you give em a copy of shotgun cannonade

[fierce lark]

shh

[nocturne spindle]

[pallid quiver]

wait is sobek an AR not a shotty

[main silo]

nah its a shotty

[fierce lark]

it's an automatic shotgun

[pallid quiver]

ohhh

@old marsh just dm me and we'll settle tmr, im boutta head to bed for now

[old marsh]

oh ok

i can get all augments but those require me to run like 6 syndicate missions per aug. better to trade

[main silo]

so what am i doing now 🙂

[fierce lark]

replace point blank with galv savvy

(if you can afford to put ranks into it)

you're probably gonna have to forma it a couple more times

[main silo]

yeah i think so

[fierce lark]

but you want to forma it 5x anyways for MR

[main silo]

im i dropping blaze?

im making it viral / electric right?

i honestly think if im gonna forma it a couple mroe times i might as well change the dmg type on it

[nocturne spindle]

Did you complete the hex yet

[main silo]

i did

i can buy one from mp if i need

i got a 50% of plat today as log in so i got some

but i dont wanna spend it willy nilly

[nocturne spindle]

You could also buy a vice from Eleanor once you get to pizza party rank

[main silo]

y thats r5

[nocturne spindle]

Might take a while but tbh using 5 forma is also gonna take a bit

If you can save the plat I'd say go the long route

[main silo]

yea ok

[fierce lark]

yeah

you can keep electric progen though it's not the worst thing

[main silo]

and the galv makes up for the lack of sheet dmg?

[fierce lark]

galv savvy is the base dmg source

as long as you can get 1 kill without it

[main silo]

but doesnt show cos it only works on status application?

[fierce lark]

ye

[main silo]

ok

cos it drops me to 7k sheet dmg, but the increase from galv is quite a lot

[fierce lark]

you shoot something and it'll have any number of impact/puncture/slash/viral/elec statuses

and each one of those is +80% base dmg at max rank

and then whatever statuses your get from your companion or from abilities

[main silo]

im gonna forma one more time so i can hagve some ranks in it

i have a vulp doing viral stuf for me

i dont have much claw mods yet 🙁

just waiting on some standing for some better mods for her

[fierce lark]

tag hunting is always fun

[main silo]

yeah 🙂

[fleet field]

What mods should I have on my Kullvero? I just got him today and been using and loving him

[nocturne spindle]

You'll def want some strength and duration

[fleet field]

Yeah I figured as much lol

He feels like a power house

[main silo]

do we get mr for relevling the kuvo weapons?

[fleet field]

But what mods should I use for Kullervo

[nocturne spindle]

You get mr when leveling it past the previous limit

[last crater]

Rate my Build, or give some advice on how you would do it better please

[nocturne spindle]

Bit by bit until the rank is 40

[fierce lark]

high strength, neutral/positive duration, positive range, the recompense augment

if you just want a build to copy then idk here

[hoary oak]

If I remove a shard, can I use it again on another frame? Or will it be destroyed?

[fierce lark]

it's usable

shards are always interchangeable, no cost other than the helminth resources

[fierce lark]

aptitude and acuity on torid are really really really bad

[fleet field]

Some of those mods I don’t have but I’m sure I can figure something out

[fierce lark]

swap those for chamber and serration

[last crater]

its for the chain crits in incarnon mode

i crit for like 2-7m

when theres a group of a lot of people even more

[fierce lark]

im not sure if the chain beam can headshot, or if it can how often it does

i do know that multishot double-dips status application on beam weapons

and aptitude is completely useless as it doesn't apply to the beam's aoe portion or the added base damage from the incarnon evolution

[last crater]

cant use multishot with

[fierce lark]

i know, thats my point

[last crater]

yeah but my build is crit chain, not status

acuity is a must for chain crit

I can solo most of SP

with this build

and im only MR8

thats why I picked these specific weapons and mods

[fierce lark]

you asked for advice, doing all i can my guy

[last crater]

I know and I appreciate it, im just playing the devils advovate so to speak and explaining why I picked specific things

[fierce lark]

acuity has its place in builds, but what the torid does it really doesn't need acuity for, especially when you have a riven that costs more than my rent

it really doesn't need mroe direct damage, chamber would improve the status output which would improve the blast rate, and improve the clear rate as a result. realistically, it's probably going to instagib anything at any level regardless, torid is just like that

aptitude sucks regardless and should be replaced with serration

also merciless/deadhead >>>>>>> crux

the efficiency on crux doesn't work on incarnon form and you'd much rather have +360% base damage than +300% status chance

[last crater]

Really I do?

how much is that mod worth? I rolled it

[fierce lark]

i think a proper godroll torid riven would be crit crit multishot, but fire rate is extremely valuable as well

[last crater]

so if I were to sell it how much should I ask?

[main silo]

so in this last slot a fiire rate mod? or something else

[fierce lark]

https://warframe.market/auctions/search?type=riven&positive_stats=critical_chance,critical_damage,fire_rate_%2F_attack_speed&negative_stats=has&sort_by=price_desc&weapon_url_name=torid

[last crater]

thanks

[fierce lark]

the ones that have harmless negatives start off at 1200p

the cheapest one with damage to infested (very minor negative, only affects dark sector farms) is 800p

[fierce lark]

yep, shotgun barrage or magnetic acceleration

or if your panzer has reinforced bond active you can pick up shotgun elementalist

[main silo]

she doesnt yet i need to get it , thats the mod right?

[fierce lark]

yeah, you need that + calculated redirection

[main silo]

i might actuallyhave the standing for reinforced now

shotgun elem , looks like a bit of a farm tho , ill go with barrage for the time being 🙂

[fleet field]

This is what I have so far, is it still good?

[fierce lark]

archon stretch isn't necessary, neither is streamline, kullervo doesn't use much energy

[last crater]

So ive been looking for something else to replace it with besides serration, is there a better damage mod? I cant seem to find one

[fierce lark]

there isn't, most of the damage is supposed to come from the arcane (deadhead/merciless)

[last crater]

only 120 and single stat seems kind of weak to replace it with

[fierce lark]

serration is there to give you some base damage until you get your arcane stacked

serration is 165% (155% with amalgam, which is preferred)

[fleet field]

Even I’m spamming his abilities I still don’t need streamline?

[main silo]

IF i have the mods for the pet for fire rate but not elementist what could i use instead ( thanks for all uyr help btw)

[fierce lark]

it depends very heavily on the type of melee build you're playing tbh

[last crater]

I may have enough points to pick up the amalgam, ill go check it out

[fleet field]

Well for melee im usually just going for dps

[fierce lark]

you could try acid shells lol

probably magnetic strafe though

if you have that

[main silo]

still farming for acid shells 🙂

[fierce lark]

i mean like, influence or not, 12x oriented or heavy spam

[main silo]

so ideally i need to get 2 kills to proc the full galv savvy right? then it just stays up?

[fierce lark]

ideally

20s between stacks that decay 1 at a time so you should never lose the buff entirely once you get it up

[main silo]

aight cool

[fleet field]

12x oriented, I use my heavy to activate my incarnon and/or to do more damage if needed

[fair bluff]

would 129+ crit dmg 166+ crit chance and 85+ electricity on the burston be good, it looks rlly good but im too dumb to tell💔💔💔

[fierce lark]

if all else fails you can use madurai void strike at the start of the mission to get your first kills

[fierce lark]

great against murmur, not ideal otherwise

electricity is gonna combine with the incarnon form's heat to make radiation

[fair bluff]

should i keep my riven that has +ammo maximum 200cc and 121 multishot over it

[fierce lark]

+ammo max lol

uhhh honestly i'd probably still take the elec one and deal with it being viral radiation

[last crater]

Buddy I just read from several sources gal amp is multiplicitive on the torid, so I dont understand why youre saying not to use it

its one of the biggest damage boosters in the game for that weapon

[fierce lark]

on the non-incarnon grenades, yes

it is multiplicative

[night laurel]

incarnon form is a beam, no? thats additive

and the incarnoff is a projectile

[last crater]

On both its on the spreadsheet

Go look up the mod spreadsheet

[fierce lark]

i have both the spreadsheet and the wiki list of CO interactions open

[last crater]

Torid: Works on direct hit + AoE (only on targets hit directly)

thats what im seeing 🤷‍♂️

being my build is chain crit, I use A lot of AOE

[fierce lark]

you're referring to this, correct?

[last crater]

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1279908-galvanized-aptitudesavvyshot-not-applying-to-certain-weapons-investigating/

[fierce lark]

oh sweet jesus a forum link

this is from before incarnon weapons even existed man

please look at dates

[main silo]

ok that is actually insane now ty 🙂 fire rate with the pet skill + barrage is kinda dumb lol

[last crater]

honestly ive played for about 3 weeks and im just going off what others told me, and youre the first person that told me to replace that with serration

everyone else told me that mod

[fierce lark]

https://overframe.gg/build/472389/torid/torid-incarnon-corrosive-blast-and-variants/

Ninjase is one of the smartest and most trusted people when it comes to buildcrafting, there is no aptitude here and he explains precisely why

[last crater]

ill check it out thanks

[fierce lark]

Why not Galvanized Aptitude?
Currently Galvanized Aptitude only applies to the base damage before the base damage boost from Final Fusillade/Plentiful Mayhem evolution, meaning it only has a 50% of the advertised effect i.e. approximately 80% damage at 2 statuses. It also doesnt work on the AOE components of both incarnoff and incarnon modes. Do NOT USE [Galvanized Aptitude].

[last crater]

is there a way I can tell when the next thermia fractures event is? that wasy I can get the amalgam?

like a event calendar or something

[fierce lark]

as a general rule, incarnon weapons that get a high percentage of their base damage from an evolution, and all weapons that do most of their damage via an aoe explosion do not gain enough benefit from condition overload-type galvanized mods

[midnight crown]

Does serration work on torid?

[fierce lark]

serration good

[fierce lark]

im not sure of the schedule but it's around pretty often

[next dune]

gr for coda catabolyst?

[copper tree]

what would be better on chroma roar or nourish ??

[fierce lark]

viral punchthrough probably

terrible dispo

[magic valley]

anyone got an ocucor build

[summer dawn]

@copper tree I’m a big fan of nourish

[copper tree]

ok fair enough

[summer dawn]

Nourish also adds viral for your pet damage

If your running a strength build the you can run energy nexus instead of primed flow and equilibrium for energy management

Nourish boosts the energy from energy nexus

[sand mist]

So I’m trying out a valkyr build, I already have a roar build for her, but I’m curious if I were to subsume and use a different ability should I use breach surge, which probably isn’t the best, eclipse for more dmg, nourish, or wrathful advance? 🤔 or would you recommend a totally different subsume than what was said

I’m thinking wrathful since it works wonders with my ash build but still

[fierce lark]

lycath's hunt

[quiet laurel]

wrathful makes the 0 combo buildup less of a pain

[sand mist]

Hmmm- but I don’t have health issues since her fourth is life steal, and she already has bass 641 energy, 1225 if you use an arcane, saving space for something else if I don’t want to use flow 🤔 but I’ll think about it

[last crater]

Does this look better?

[fierce lark]

i don't like acuity, but otherwise much

[last crater]

if I didnt spend so much on it I would swap it out but im running out of plat fast

[quiet laurel]

acuity torid spotted

[fierce lark]

if you have a rank 0 vigilante supplies you can swap acuity for chamber at 0 cost

if you already have a chamber ranked that is

[gaunt sapphire]

any builds with atlas 4 augment?

[fierce lark]

lycaths isn't for health, it's for energy

lycath's + equilibrium = infinite energy

it's the "if you don't want more damage" subsume

silence is another option, in case you get sick of violence turning off hysteria

[gaunt sapphire]

anyone?

[last crater]

No I meant how much plat I spent on the acuity mod

[tawdry trail]

all I know is that the rocks are able to proc melee influence

[gaunt sapphire]

i saw a ninjase build with xatas

although i dont have xatas unlocked

[fierce lark]

did you buy a max ranked one or something? the mod is only 3p

[last crater]

thank you for all your time and being patient explaining things to me

[last crater]

yeah for 65p

[fierce lark]

oh ok

[gaunt sapphire]

wait so, modding atlas fists affects the 4 augment?

[last crater]

what about this? it does decent but always looking to do better

[tawdry trail]

if it's this augment yes

[gaunt sapphire]

hrmmmm

[fierce lark]

-efficiency hurts a lot

[gaunt sapphire]

does nourish or xatas affect this

[last crater]

I agree but it was the best mod I could afford that isnt over MR8

[tawdry trail]

they both affect weapon damage so you probably just throw stronger rocks

[fierce lark]

i guess focus energy can kinda offset the riven negative

[quiet laurel]

why primed fever strike over elementalist

[fierce lark]

drop corrosive, you don't care for anything other than electric dmg

[gaunt sapphire]

and then str is harshly boosting to the augment?

[fierce lark]

melee elementalist, amalgam organ shatter

[hollow mantle]

What is the best Sentinel weapon for an energy companion using bond mods? I've seen a lot of Tazicor but it has a lower status chance over something like the Helstrum?? I haven't touched Sentinels too much. :<

[quiet laurel]

and go amalgam organ shatter over killing blow

[fierce lark]

keep killing blow

[tawdry trail]

I don't think the augment scales with strength but the buffs sure will

[fierce lark]

drop sacrificial pressure

[tawdry trail]

does -efficiency affect a build relying on initial combo from galv. reflex?

[quiet laurel]

yes

[tawdry trail]

wow

[fierce lark]

yes, the higher your efficiency the higher your combo counter starts regenerating from

[tawdry trail]

I guess I've never had -efficiency on a build

[gaunt sapphire]

nidus

hes a good -efficiency frame

[fierce lark]

you don't notice it usually because galvanized reflex comes with 50% efficiency and that's usually enough to render it a non-issue

[tawdry trail]

• heavy attack efficiency

[fierce lark]

lol

[tawdry trail]

I am a zenurik abuser. I love blind rage

[gaunt sapphire]

ahhhh ok, that would be very very weird to build for

[quiet laurel]

what are we even saying

[fierce lark]

initial combo unfortunately doesn't mean that your combo counter can't go below that amount, but if it does so it will regenerate up to that number

but that takes time, and if you have no efficiency (or you have windup+attack speed) you can actually attack before your initial combo is finished building

thats why HAE is actually a good stat on rivens

for heavy attack builds

[tawdry trail]

good to know

[last crater]

what about this?

[quiet laurel]

much better than killing blow

but needs constant throwing uptime

[hollow mantle]

[last crater]

killing blow sucks? someone told me to use it because of throw speed and heavy damage, when I use secondary aoe attack

[fierce lark]

killing blow slander is crazy

[craggy wyvern]

it's better on heavy attack weapons

so like slam weapons

[fierce lark]

btw what i said above is an assumption and i could be wrong

i think that is how the relationship between efficiency and initial combo works, because visually it appears that way, the number ticks up from 0 to your combo counter

but that could only be a visual thing

[quiet laurel]

killing blow is just base dmg with the wind up speed bonus, its nothing special
if you have wind up already then its not really useful

and most influence glaives run normal elementalist with amalgam organ shatter already

[fierce lark]

windupmaxxing is the way

[tawdry trail]

sacrificial pressure without sacrificial steel is a bit of a waste ngl

[quiet laurel]

bro said a weapon type its absolutely useless on 🙏

[velvet pulsar]

"2× on heavy attack"
Not sufficient enough?

[tawdry trail]

sacrificial pressure my guy

[last crater]

so should I put voltaic strike in this last spot?

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah what is the point of it?
PPP gives more.

[tawdry trail]

that's what I'm saying

[hollow scarab]

does anyone have a good late game sp coda hirudo build and what element i should have on it? i just got mine

[craggy wyvern]

just use reaper prime😏

[last crater]

if I am unsure what elements to use I always go corossive and viral, corossive takes care of armor viral takes care of everything else

[quiet laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-7240636

[fierce lark]

put whatever there, shocking touch or something

it's getting replaced by amalgam organ shatter once you get that

[craggy wyvern]

*high degree. killing blow increases slam damage

[velvet pulsar]

Either electric or heat or cold.

Cold for melee doughty builds or melee careen build.
Heat for afflictions.
Electric for the obvious option.

[quiet laurel]

killing blow would be used if we didnt just have 8 mod slots

again killing blow is just conditional base dmg

useless base dmg stacking is not only a thing for guns

[fierce lark]

when you attach attack speed to a useless base dmg mod it becomes less useless

[velvet pulsar]

Also ever heard of weird builds where 2 stationary synergies combine to make a movement favoring build instead?

[tawdry trail]

Would Nyx regaining parkour ability during absorb after bouncing off a brightbonnet count?

[velvet pulsar]

Absolutely

Assimilate

I figured another with Lavos & Well of Life.

[craggy wyvern]

seismic wave is better thouugh

[quiet laurel]

yes

cause seismic is multiplicative

[craggy wyvern]

yes

[tawdry trail]

annoys me a little bit that seismic wave is so good bc it makes all heavy attack builds better as heavy slam builds

[fierce lark]

oh that's definitely false

[tawdry trail]

a big generalisation

[fierce lark]

most heavy attack builds were already heavy slam builds

[craggy wyvern]

for crit chance galv steel and sac steel are just personal preference

[tawdry trail]

I just see people using the harmony as a slam weapon and I go "aw man"

[quiet laurel]

there are crit dmg thresholds where one or the other is better

[craggy wyvern]

i know that that's why i said it's based on personal preference

[quiet laurel]

but its not

[craggy wyvern]

if you have enough crit mods sac is better if you don't galv is better

[mighty flare]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-gif-13225090997716353313

[quiet laurel]

welcome to builds discussion losing their minds

[fierce lark]

the sac vs galv steel thing can come down to preference, with that preference being the sometimes case of "do i care enough about a very slight damage increase to slot a 16 cost umbral mod"

they rarely make a difference in practice and sac steel is expensive

[mighty flare]

oh my

[fierce lark]

am i wrong

[craggy wyvern]

it's based on how many crit mods you have it doesn't matter sac is better with more crit damage while galv is better with less crit mods

both are pretty effective

[quiet laurel]

galv steel is like 200% less crit chance

if you have some crit dmg through shards or smth then sac steel is better

for heavy attack builds of course

[fierce lark]

builds that are wanting to heavy attack are also usually running amalgam shatter

90% crit damage adding onto galv steel's 120%

pushing the value further towards sacrificial

[craggy wyvern]

120% crit dmg tho

that's better for a build that has no other crit damage mod

[quiet laurel]

on what build are we running no crit dmg mods

[craggy wyvern]

a lot of builds

status builds

[quiet laurel]

@mighty flare save me

[plain swan]

Is blast good on burston?

[quiet laurel]

I gotta get ready for work

[mighty flare]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mom-mama-mother-lick-gif-13059778370190649168

[fierce lark]

"status builds" but then why are we talking about galv steel, you just contradicted yourself

[craggy wyvern]

the lick of doom and despair

[craggy wyvern]

a lot of status builds still use galv? im not contradicting

if u thought i meant pure status then mb but im talking about mainly status

[fierce lark]

so every weapon

[craggy wyvern]

keyword MAINLY

not every cause a bunch of weapons are 50/50 or more crit than status

[fierce lark]

magistar being the only mainstream exception i can think of because it does so much raw damage my apartment gets aftershocks, melee weapons primarily do its damage through status infliction

[craggy wyvern]

mainly status is just have one crit mod and everything else is just raw status

[mighty flare]

what?

[craggy wyvern]

as i said MAINLY

[craggy wyvern]

bro has earthquakes

the earthquakes and aftershocks of doom and despair

[fierce lark]

so if you've ever looked at builds and stuff

a large majority of weapons follow the same or extremely similar cookie cutter builds, usually they're based around melee influence

[craggy wyvern]

yes i know

[mighty flare]

wdym raw status, like just elemental mods?

[craggy wyvern]

yeah with co

and galv elementalist

[mighty flare]

melees dont do that?

[undone dust]

im raw

[craggy wyvern]

pause

[craggy wyvern]

melees don't do what?

[mighty flare]

status melee builds only have like 1-2 open slots for elements/situational picks, you don't really have space for "just raw status"
melees like glaives or slammers get to drop some mods but have to use others

most melees dont want to run +3 element mods, and if they do, they're usually forced into doing that

[fierce lark]

ceramic dagger comes to mind

[craggy wyvern]

i get what you're saying

however due to melee influence status builds work well you could do gas or viral with electricity

[abstract axle]

but unless you are getting elements from an outside source, its probably gonna underperform

[hollow mantle]

Sentinel weapons proc Growing Power correct?

[mighty flare]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/982507034647887915/1061652671750217891/cat_in_pot_verysad.gif?width=507&height=676

[quiet laurel]

messing with dual status weighting for no reason

viral easily outsourced and elec gas is youtuber propaganda

[fierce lark]

adding non-electric elements to your influence build takes weighting away from the electricity

makes influence procs less consistent, and it takes away mod slots that could be used to increase the damage of the electricity procs with influence

or other damage/qol like attack speed and range

[craggy wyvern]

yet not everyone wants to use a companion or nourish just to get viral so there's that plus nourish also works where it changes the weighting of the status, also gas and electric was very effective before it became popular on yt

[twin pine]

Hi fellow tennos, wanted to ask some advice on how to play lavos effeciently
my current mods setup based on suggestion and guides is as picture i did not forma once, so the one shown in overframe is kind inaccurate, but i am having the same exact mods setup)
All i only know is just shoot with lavos while weapon imbued with element while enhanced elemental skill, and spam skill when its up.

[abstract axle]

blind rage is unnecessary

[craggy wyvern]

it does ruin the weighting unfortunately however that doesn't mean you you don't have space for example viral and electric take 3 mod slots, you can then use galv steel, co, weeping wounds, berserker/primed fury, and primed range or remove weeping and use galv elementalist

[abstract axle]

its all about formation, which isn't affected

[abstract axle]

blood rush too good to skip

[maiden oracle]

Panzer fun :)

[twin pine]

from the suggestion i got, lavos do not require effecientcy mods that much since the cool down doesnt effect by it, and its good to have strength so i just have it there

[craggy wyvern]

im talking about those who benefit primarily from status specifically

[tawdry trail]

Lavos benefits more from health and armour than shields and has a few different play styles

this build is very caster oriented so there's probably some more weapons focused ones you can find out there

[twin pine]

so assuming those umbra mods is good on lavos

all 3 umbra

[abstract axle]

but strength affects basically nothing. unless you are building for 4 nukes, lavos is a pure weapons platform with the augment. the abilities themselves might as well do nothing

[twin pine]

any suggestion if i want to balance out gun play and ability spam?

is my setup good for the purpose currently?

[last crater]

So I reforma it then maxed it again does this look better?

[fierce lark]

yeah that looks perfect

the bane slot is flexible and you can throw pretty much anything there

galv scope, primed firestorm

[daring summit]

so whats a "normal" chesa's mod setup look like? claws too please

[late hemlock]

Claws id use the exact same build on p much every kubrow tbh

Could swap mawl for cull the weak if you have some priming

[daring summit]

yeah, likely. especially for a generically good set up, but im looking to fill a role in my loadout and so wanna

look at how off of normal i am

[last crater]

thanks for all your help and advise I just hope I can sell these mods I bought quickly lol because afer reforma it a few times and buying all those mods im broke now

lol

[fierce lark]

unless you're desperate for plat i'd keep a max ranked acuity around

if nothing else it's fun to throw on rifles sometimes when you want to see big crits

[lavish orbit]

Especially snipers, for me tho, getting a multishot build and an acuity build makes more variety and way to play the same weapon

[fierce lark]

as nice as it feels when you land daikyu headshots with every headshot mod and longbow sharpshot

missing the head and doing like 3k damage feels worse than getting mugged

[lavish orbit]

True, an all or nothing type of build

[late hemlock]

This game is just so incredibly chaotic that forcing myself to go for headshots or get crap is something I'm not a fan of personally

[tawdry trail]

Universal orbs + ammo and healing are pretty handy

[tawdry trail]

It's an option, I use it bc I like health tanking

[twin pine]

no idea whats that, havent really gotten into the late game thingie yet

i am still very very early

just reached 150 hours on this game

assuming it has something to do with arcane persistence?

[tawdry trail]

Health tanking just means relying on health and armour to survive as opposed to shields or something elsw

Arcane persistence just makes health tanking doable at higher levels

[twin pine]

ah

have a little idea on how it works since i play a lot of valkyr

maybe i havent reach higher end difficulties yet to experience it

[tawdry trail]

If you're not dying you're already experiencing it 😎

[twin pine]

welp, the difficulties i am at right now is still like 50-70 so i assume its still mid game difficulties

[late hemlock]

Persistence is a different from health tanking its more like regen tanking

You need to pass 500 hp/s of healing and you are immortal

Actual tanking is perfectly doable but its an entirely different build

[twin pine]

have to experience it myself upon reaching 100+

hmm alright

[main silo]

how do i get back to the holivania hub?

nvm im dumb

[narrow granite]

@quiet plover this is mine 😄

20p riven xD

[late hemlock]

Getting a riven for minimum dispo weapon feels bad man

[quiet plover]

The extra bit of Crit Damage is nice tho

[quiet plover]

That's actually a lot similar to my current build, coincidentally enough

[late hemlock]

Thats less stats than just running like magnetic might

Gonna be pretty hard to get a mod worth using with 0.6x dispo

[quiet plover]

I think you're better off slotting that Riven on the regular Kompressa, truth he told

[narrow granite]

I do have 2 empty slots + exi xD

[night laurel]

vinquibus
crit dmg + status chance at what cost (they max at +54%)

[quiet plover]

How often do they reroll dispo?

It's based on weapon usage, right?

[narrow granite]

also to be fair, I hardly use rivens xD

[quiet plover]

I remember the Korumm used to have full dispo then when they rerolled it went down to 4

[late hemlock]

Going to take forever for the prime to have usable dispo

Normal one has slightly less status chance but you bump from 0.6 dispo to 1.15 dispo

[prime schooner]

Chat which one should I choose

[narrow granite]

l

[fierce lark]

left

[quiet plover]

The Corpus tickler

Have y'all ever rolled a racist riven? Like boosted damage 3 factions? I've only ever seen screenshots

[narrow granite]

do the simaris victims spawn in sp? @.@

[quiet plover]

Victims? Oh the Synthesis targets. Yes, I think so

[narrow granite]

I don't use faction mods cuz I'd forget to swap'em out

[quiet plover]

Relatable

Early game when I didn't have great mods, I'd have all 3 standard faction mods on weapons I use hahahaha

[fierce lark]

yes

i had a venka riven once which was +grineer +corpus -infested lol

coda venka

[main silo]

is the infected boy band member like a lich?

srry wrong

[tawdry trail]

Yup

Except they use antivirus mods instead of requiem mods

[nova ridge]

chat took too much brownies right is way to go right?

[last crater]

should I sell that riven I have and get a multishot one?

[nova ridge]

it says the stats are F and C while the left are As

[last crater]

only issue is that it seems really hard to get a MR8 riven with decent stats

because low MR most of the time low stats

[tawdry trail]

I vote right

[last crater]

so in all reality I dont even know if I can afford a better one then this im down to like 300p

[nova ridge]

i was thinking too but alecaframe making me doubt myself

[tawdry trail]

Damage to corpus is unnecessary and base damage you can get from plenty other sources

[fierce lark]

no the one you have is perfect

[modern yoke]

Time to build this aura filled woman(Over time)

[brittle sentinel]

For pure neutralizer build on cyte 09 is precision intensify better then umbral, and for archon shards, electric damage, or ability strength, or a mix of both?

[mighty flare]

cyte likes strength on everything for his 1,2, and 4 (neutralizer)

[brittle sentinel]

mkays, and what about crimson strength shards vs violet electric primary dmg shards?

[mighty flare]

for neutralizer dmg, electric primary dmg shards are better
if ur using any reds, i'd run duration for better evade

[chrome torrent]

Does Nokko really need range if im using him for stationary use only?

[main silo]

which one for my nova - ive been using the corrosive projection for a while but just got siphon, but looking at it it doesnt seem like a lot of regen?

[fierce lark]

that is indeed not much regen

[lavish orbit]

Well, depend if you like to be stationnary or you prefer a bit of free movement

[modern yoke]

Need a build for Dagath that I can work towards

[mighty flare]

you can fill the slots with more duration if you want to use her augment or qol/range if not using it

[modern yoke]

Gotcha

[maiden marten]

If I'm asking in the wrong channel, please let me know.

If I shoot Zephyr's Tornadoes with the Amprex, will the shots chain-link on enemies (an effect of the Amprex) while also applying the 100% damage to everyone caught by in the Tornadoes?

[pliant lance]

a or b?

[fierce lark]

a

do suggest to continue rolling

[pliant lance]

yeah gonna

is there a specific element i want?

[fierce lark]

heat

[pliant lance]

dmg heat and multi a good role?

[fierce lark]

would be pretty good

[pliant lance]

ight thanks

[fierce lark]

cc cd ms sc fr heat

having had some discussion with a furis enjoyer who like doing nerd shit, pure heat (meaning both primed and 60 heat mods) with encumber is good

and having used it in practice, it doesn’t feel any worst vs regular enemies tbh and i imagine it kills things that live awhile much faster (demos and stuff)

[chrome torrent]

stationary tbh. so i assume 265% range is the sweet spot then?

[sand mist]

For my basmu, it already does elec damage with viral, I was thinking add rad/mag to it but it seems to not change much so should I use a different element??

[solar reef]

Heat or Tox depending on your specific build

just depend on whether you’ve outsourced viral or not

the ideal roll would be CD, MS, then any other of the listed +’s

-zoom would be obvious negative preference but theres plenty of palatable negatives

[pliant lance]

Magazine size is a bad neg right?

[solar reef]

its usable

Incarnon forms don’t take magaine modifiers into count

so magazine size won’t matter while you are in incarnon form

its not preferable though

[pliant lance]

Yeah ight, I’ll keep rolling and see if I get anything, got some other decent rivens that I wouldn’t mind getting a good roll

Oh yeah that’s right

Got nukor and after that got furis, nukor has ahh dispo but was a good pull

[solar reef]

i would sell the nukor riven raw

you need a literal god roll to make it worth using

[pliant lance]

Didn’t realise bo riven was so expensive aswell

[solar reef]

its good noobie bate though

[solar reef]

it has an incarnon

[pliant lance]

Yeah don’t really need the nukor, got it fully maxed out with a decent kuva % aswell

Never remembered it being sought out a years ago

[solar reef]

assuming its not some crazy roll i’d just sell it off and get your trash price out of it

The only slottable nukor riven would be CD, MS, Tox with a harmless -

[pliant lance]

Crazy how disposition influences the prices so hard d

[solar reef]

it doesnt

people are buying it high despite its terrible riven disposition

there are niche situations where dispo does affect riven prices

but just having a high dispo ≠ having high prices

[pliant lance]

So it’s just not that compulsory on nukor?

[solar reef]

Nukor simply has a high riven trash price because Kuva Nukor is so popular

people will invest in rivens without understanding that its not worth using a riven on it to begin with

[solar reef]

Its just newbie bait

the most lucrative rivens will always be mid-high dispo incarnons obviously

[patent fern]

sorry for stupid question but does summoners wrath work with nekros? for whatever reason builds i find for him always have brief respite instead and i cant understand why its used over summoners wrath when your whole thing is summons

[solar reef]

i personally like to buy up hate rivens at around 40p and reroll those as I play

[solar reef]

It works with him

Summoners Wrath just isnt as worth while as brief respite is

[pliant lance]

Yeah sounds smart

Nekros is more used for farming then summoning isn’t he?

[solar reef]

his farming ability doesnt have any affect on the rest of his kit

[patent fern]

but if i can just summon a bunch of eximus units isnt that a better buff than brief respite?

[solar reef]

hes still a summoner

[solar reef]

Summoners Wrath’s damage output isn’t as high as it sounds when reading it out loud and shield gate far surpasses it in QOL

[patent fern]

could i just use arcane camisado then? since summoners wrath wont help

[solar reef]

nekros doesnt need high ability strength

once you have enough for 100% strip on terrify, you dont need more

[patent fern]

how much is that? if you know by chance

[solar reef]

off the top of my head i dont know

i want to say 160%

maybe a little more

google search says 167%

[night laurel]

skiajati or syam, and asides from sacrificials on skiajati can i do anything with it to make it, say, sp viable?
i don't have a dragon nikana riven or nikana p 😔

[patent fern]

thats not bad then

[tawdry trail]

depends on survivability too, if you're running shield of shadows it's comfy to have str a bit higher

[solar reef]

they serve two different niches

Skiajatti is a generic lightspam nikana (worse than Nikana Prime or Sepfahn)

[midnight horizon]

I'd just go with prime gng

[solar reef]

Syam is a heavy attack oriented weapon

[patent fern]

plan on getting that im just working on leveling him rn

so i wanna figure how how many formas im gonna need to dump

[solar reef]

Syam is also, frankly, one of the best melee weapons in the game

they’re incomparable imo but they really dont play the same unless you force the Syam to be worse than it can be

[tawdry trail]

Nekros is one of the most forma hungry primes I've built, the sheer audacity to come without an aura polarity is ridiculous

[patent fern]

yeah that is insane

[solar reef]

i always use 7-8 forma on frames anyways

[patent fern]

but at least you spend a forma ON a slot, not changing it

[night laurel]

i see, Amalgam Shatter and killing blow then?

[tawdry trail]

some of us are poor

[night laurel]

i have a sepfahn laying around, where does it sit? right under nikana p?

[velvet pulsar]

*omni forma

[solar reef]

depending on your build i’d argue its better but i’m also biased towards Exodia Force

[velvet pulsar]

Above all nikanas

[solar reef]

Syam stays at top

[velvet pulsar]

It can do stuff other nikanas can't

Not even syam

[solar reef]

i’m sorry but contagion doesnt outdo the waves of multiCO shenanigans that Syam does

[velvet pulsar]

And that's where u made the mistake

[solar reef]

it does better in hyper-niche setups built around it

Dont hit me with some exodia hunt nonsense

[night laurel]

do i built for heavy attack + status + CO?

[solar reef]

likely wont build for status unless its raw heat or tri-element

CO is a MUST

Its projectile has MultiCO

[night laurel]

raw heat, crit, heavy attacks?

[velvet pulsar]

Contagion:

[solar reef]

so is syam

Syam has multi co

[night laurel]

thanks!

[solar reef]

it just isnt limited to the radius of contagion

[velvet pulsar]

Yes, so has contagion

[solar reef]

contagion’s initial projectile is the only thing that benefits from it

you hit 1-2 enemies with that max

[solar reef]

do keep in mind Syam has innate heat
so to get things like influence, you have to build in gas or blast to keep it from bleeding your elec into rad

[velvet pulsar]

How much status chance does syam projectile have?
And is it pure heat?

[solar reef]

pure heat

[velvet pulsar]

I got my answer

[solar reef]

Its on paper the highest kpm weapon in the game

[velvet pulsar]

Influence Contagion can spread multiCO

[solar reef]

you can still run influ syam

[velvet pulsar]

And it'll be easier to build than blast influence

More free mod slots

[solar reef]

but yeah, contagion cope is real, and in the end that kinda defeats the purpose of building a nikana

[velvet pulsar]

More potential
Custom status chance can be planned

[solar reef]

just build a rabvee stick

[solar reef]

“more potential” exclusively with breach surge shenanigans

Syam can multi co blastfluence a wave over a 75 meter range with inf punch through

[velvet pulsar]

Ironically my own nikana uses Exodia Force with Lavos and influence.

[patent fern]

does nekros' shadows of dead prioritize higher tier enemies? or is it just whoever is closest

[velvet pulsar]

Higher tier, but don't ask me the prioritisation

I only know it picks eximus above others

[solar reef]

no amount of money could make me play nekros at high endur

[coral crest]

There is an internal priority list for enemies when it comes to shadows

[velvet pulsar]

Ironically Theorem Infection made me decide this.

[patent fern]

so hypothetically bombard ranks higher? because i killed a bunch of eximus and went to reincarnate them but got 4 bombards instead

[coral crest]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Shadows_of_the_Dead#Summoning_Priority

[coral crest]

Yes

You can see the list on the wiki page I provided

[patent fern]

ah thats a great list thank you

[velvet pulsar]

Honestly my only purpose of building a nikana was Daikyu augment.

You're defeating the purpose of Nikana with Syam too if u just spam the projectile.

[coral crest]

Counterpoint

Soul Punching Thrax is funny

[solar reef]

counterpoint, you can be a cool ninja samurai who uses Haki

that is as nikana weeb as it gets

[coral crest]

Haki?

[velvet pulsar]

I appreciate this uniqueness

[solar reef]

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-king-of-hell-zoro-zoro-one-piece-one-piece-zoro-vs-king-gif-11225524948815116916

[coral crest]

Sorry I don't know what that is

One piece is alien to my mind

[solar reef]

generic energy for powerscaling in one piece

[coral crest]

Booo

[velvet pulsar]

It's not One Piece
It's 3 sword man

[solar reef]

swordsmen coat their weapons it it to throw energy waves

[patent fern]

today has been a hectic day for my poor forma, gara (almost) fully built with like 8 forma so far, burston prime incarnon, nekros rn, dagath done building, and atlas prime sitting at lvl 30

[velvet pulsar]

[patent fern]

my goal of "fully" building all of my frames is far more tedious than i thought it would be

😅

[solar reef]

i buy like 800 plat woth of forma at a time and just eat away at it over time

[coral crest]

The only thing I know about One Piece is that author can't draw women

[patent fern]

i might just do that

[velvet pulsar]

DE has patched Influence procing Force but I made Force proc Influence via Lavos.

This does result in FPS drops at times.

[patent fern]

he knows how to draw women if their organs were all placed in their chest

[solar reef]

foce was influence before influenve was cool

[midnight horizon]

As if every bone and organs in their body disappeared

[solar reef]

i still have my CC, CD, Tox, -Puncture roll for Sepfahn from the old Slash-Viral meta

[midnight horizon]

What's force

[coral crest]

Exodia force

[midnight horizon]

Huh, what it do

[velvet pulsar]

Exodia Force
The most hated Exodia Arcane by DE

[night laurel]

i have a contagion dokhram from the first plague star

[midnight horizon]

Wait wtf

Why shouldn't I be using this arcane?

[velvet pulsar]

DE keeps nerfing it time to time because it has tendencies to create damage loops and drop your FPS

[solar reef]

because its exclusive to zaws

[midnight horizon]

Right

But like there has to be some good hybrid zaws out there

(I don't like contagion)

[velvet pulsar]

Do it.
DE will nerf it next patch again.

[solar reef]

Sepfahn is always an option

[velvet pulsar]

Balla dagger

[night laurel]

the Stephan, as i like to call it

[solar reef]

Sepfahn serves as a great light/hybrid build, comparable if not better than the Nikana Prime

[midnight horizon]

I'm taking mental notes

OH IT'S A NIKANA?????

😋😋😋😋😋😋😋😋

[night laurel]

yes

[solar reef]

Sepfahn is the blade used for nikana zaws, yes

[midnight horizon]

Perfect.

[velvet pulsar]

Also, Exodia Force can't crit, can't proc any status, only applies a small AoE from your warframe instead of the enemy you've hit.

[midnight horizon]

What the hell am I doing with the prime nikana all this time

[midnight horizon]

Nice inform

[solar reef]

In turn, this makes Force like range a little more than Influence does

[midnight horizon]

True

[patent fern]

current status of the build, gonna add primed flow but idk what to add in the exilus slot

[velvet pulsar]

I'd suggest trying it with Force with a Balla dagger and Amalgam Argonak mod.

(IDK if force will proc the armor strip)

[midnight horizon]

Does it have any interaction with like toxic lash or shock trooper or lavos augment etc

[velvet pulsar]

Definitely lavos augment

[solar reef]

DE killed Exodia Force as a niche by introducing Influence
then killed it again by removing its interactions with Influence outside of external assistance

[brittle sentinel]

Is primary acuity worth on neutralizer?

[velvet pulsar]

https://youtu.be/DsL1EP3BnlU?si=nScDmtMPSNluMwS9

[midnight horizon]

[solar reef]

i would assume it also works with shock trooper

[velvet pulsar]

Nope

[solar reef]

funny

[midnight horizon]

How about.. the new arcane

[velvet pulsar]

It has 0% base SC

[midnight horizon]

Melee careen

[solar reef]

wonderous

[midnight horizon]

Or idk duplicate at least

[solar reef]

duplicate requires base crits

[midnight horizon]

Yeah it sucks ass ngl

[velvet pulsar]

I don't think even Wrathful Advance can make it crit

[midnight horizon]

That's so dumb

[velvet pulsar]

But u can give it a try

Not like I've tested it.

[solar reef]

I just run mine with Force + Exposure

screw influence

[velvet pulsar]

I run mine just for lavos health tank.

[solar reef]

im still living in 2018

[midnight horizon]

I'm trying to find hybrid melees that can work well without influence

Force might be the key

[solar reef]

Dual Viciss

[velvet pulsar]

Coda Hirudo

[coral crest]

It only eats universal bonuses iirc

[velvet pulsar]

Also Halikar Wraith

[solar reef]

dual viciss is so cool

[velvet pulsar]

Dual Ichor

[solar reef]

Dual Ichor incarnons

absolutely

[midnight horizon]

I thought about using dual viciss but settled with okina cuz I was gonna use careen anyway

[coral crest]

Dual Ichor Vortex is comical

[velvet pulsar]

Okina Careen best combo

[coral crest]

You can say it's

Okareen

[solar reef]

magnetic?

[midnight horizon]

Okarina

[solar reef]

[velvet pulsar]

Someone at DE definitely looked at Okina and decided to build Careen