builds-discussion

[midnight horizon]

Who would that be??

[coral crest]

Panzer on Lavos means you're doing something wrong

[midnight horizon]

I see yeah I am doing it wrong bc before Nautilus on Vauban... Lavos has Panzer

I'm SORRY!!!

[coral crest]

Any non mechanical pet with hunter recovery

[midnight horizon]

....... Nautilus.......?????????????????

Oh

Non mechanical

[coral crest]

Mhm

[midnight horizon]

A Kavat, I have yet to get a Kavat

[coral crest]

Or a Kubrow, preferably one of the cool ones

(they're all cool)

[pallid flame]

Oh absolutely it is, I just struggle to get enough health/s to bridge that gap, though honestly swapping to swift bite from his new augment might help

[midnight horizon]

Imma go Miaou miaou

[coral crest]

But realistically

Down to very basics

Lavos did not have Valence Formation on release

You're meant to be a very active caster

Swift Bite and 3 will keep you alive

[midnight horizon]

So he is meant to be an active caster

[coral crest]

Not to mention that

Literally all of his abilities stagger enemies in some way

1 even opens them to melee finishers

[midnight horizon]

I still have to learn his 3...i did not know how to activate it really..... Do I just have press 3 or apply 3 before use 3????

[coral crest]

Uhhh

It's a lot

[midnight horizon]

Ohhh....

[coral crest]

Shall I dump the info in dms or something

Caster lavos is a handful

[midnight horizon]

If it's possible... Simplify it hahahahah bc my only problem is "how to spam him"

I know.... His 3 plays a big fckin role

[coral crest]

Yeah you can absolutely spam him

[midnight horizon]

I hate to admit I used him for Valence.... So now I want to use him properly, so please help me

[coral crest]

You can spam him so much Simaris might start complaining

And his cd reduction reduces Simaris cooldowns too

So like, screw the Cephalon

[midnight horizon]

That's what I need... And I know swift bite and 3 is important... I need that fcking 3 to work literally

[coral crest]

I'm actually working on a proper Lavos bible style video, and will mostly be covering him as a caster

[midnight horizon]

Damn please hahaha

[coral crest]

I'm surprised that nothing of that sort has been made

[pallid flame]

Oooh I really want to see that

[midnight horizon]

Like nuclear... I'm telling you, in the bottom of my heart

I never seen 3 reduce my skill Cooldown even by a little

[coral crest]

I'll dm you with basic stuff @midnight horizon

[midnight horizon]

Aight

[coral crest]

There are lots of Lavos videos but in 99% of cases they are just reading off wiki

And I need to address the mecha set fraud that has been happening

[pallid flame]

Actually, speaking of, what are your opinions on his new augment? I like how it plays but idk if its very good (Sorry to be a bother while you're helping someone else btw)

[coral crest]

It's a very high risk high reward augment

[midnight horizon]

Ooooo aight, that'll be importsny

[midnight horizon]

Wait what Aug?

[coral crest]

You either refund the cost or you lose seconds

[pallid flame]

His 3 augment, makes it return and stay in place after it travels the full distance, like an area denial tool kind of

[midnight horizon]

@coral crest just DM me the guide and on Monday I'll try him again

I gtg

Cya

[coral crest]

Have fun

[coral crest]

I think the best thing about it is that you're not losing the basic use

Tapping it again progresses the state and returns it to normal

[coral plank]

So I gotta grind for both the Hot Shot and Universal Fallout now, great; more ETA

[late hemlock]

can only do once per week so not quite a grind, just a long time to max em out

[coral crest]

If you can reduce the cooldowns with the static form high enough to offset the time wasted on it laying around, then you win with it

If you don't, you lose

Neutral to high efficiency is pretty much mandatory

[pallid flame]

Honestly, the big issue I see with it is the opportunity cost of using other augments (I was running both his other augments before this one came out) because they seem more consistent

Though again I'm pretty new here so I might be completely off and someone has a 3 augment build right now

[coral crest]

I just run all 3

My build :3

I should experiment more with it though

But this is my current baseline

Summoners Wrath is for the priming hound

It does half my work to prime enemies for Catalyze and takes a bunch of elements that are usually not in rotation

Heat because summoners wrath is a faction mod for pets

I should really forma this creature to include primed mods

[sharp flame]

is this secondary any note worthy or should I just disregard it

[coral crest]

It has a better version from Suda and an incarnon, so the normal version is kinda wasted

But I see you're pretty new so

None of it matters

[sharp flame]

Yes Im pretty new

[coral crest]

Neat gun

Worth it to just craft and level to max

As with any other weapon

[sharp flame]

alright thanks

[pallid flame]

Oh wow, my only big difference is stretch in place one augment and I haven't figured out which aura to use yet

[coral crest]

Lavos doesn't really have "best" auras outside of the generic corrosive projection plug

[pallid flame]

Good to know Overextended is a good pick

[coral crest]

So I just dedicated it to my lovely robot dog

[pallid flame]

Yeah I've been running that while I figure myself out, plus it was already formad like that fora mecha build I tried and proceeded to hate

[coral crest]

Triumbral or precision intensify make up for it easily

Catalyze does enough damage to not care

6 statuses already give it like 200k damage at base. And you will definitely infuse viral somewhere

[pallid flame]

Mecha set has only been fun on Koumei so far actually but I think that's just because it makes up for her lack of nuking potential in early decree gameplay, idk why everyone recommends it

[pallid flame]

My usual rotation is viral on 2 and either magnetic or corrosive on 3, depending on enemy type

[coral crest]

Because Kengineer recommended mecha set once and people are oblivious, it was their first time using anything that isn't panzer or an ugly ass sentinel

So they connected them despite there not really being any synergy

Any status damage frame can do mecha better than Lavos

He already has a 50 or so meters bomb that ignores walls

Priming pet is much better for him to actually help set off that said bomb

[pallid flame]

It just felt kind of silly putting an aoe status nuke on a character with an objectively better one built in, besides maybe the armour gain it seemed to have 0 actual purpose

[coral crest]

Mecha is a crutch if you can't/don't want to use Lavos as a caster

It works, hey

It works very well

It just doesn't serve any real synergy

Temple is probably the best mecha user

Infinite punch through beam that sets off a bomb occasionally with a massive heat bonus

And temple is actually one of the better health tanks if you want armor from mecha

the aimed shots from Lizzie are perfect if you actually found the mecha target

[coral crest]

They kinda serve completely different purpose

Lavos nuke is about capitalization on mass status spread. Mecha is about rewarding targeted picks

Of course Valence Formation the warframe will reward mecha set

[pallid flame]

I run VF to platform my Alternox, I will drag that thing kicking and screaming into viability

[coral crest]

VF also acts as a DoT buff to abilities so you're still in the clear tbh

It doesn't hurt to have an extra power supply in a weapon

Especially because he can't deal with bosses as a caster

[torpid lark]

guys i wanna make the most damage archwing loadout what can u guys suggest?

[pallid flame]

I will suggest the funny shroomgun 3000 because I'm biased as hell

[torpid lark]

shroomgun?

[coral crest]

It's definitely the funny shroomgun

[coral crest]

Arbucep

[pallid flame]

Arbucep, each rocket does a different combined status effect

[karmic badger]

The gold plated AK of weapons, looks cool, is impractical

[pallid flame]

I mean all combined status effects in a world of debilitate is fun but yeaaaah it's not meta breaking by any means

[coral crest]

What if I paint ax yellow

[torpid lark]

what abt larkspur prime,mausolon?

[karmic badger]

Chiquita banana

[velvet pulsar]

Mallet itself didn't change.
Still great.

It's just the fact that Assimilate just powercrept into being both easy nuke and survivability.

[cosmic dagger]

Ok, just tested Rapid Resilience against the 60 eye boss, does nothing to the duration of the nullifying effect, it was still 3s

[velvet pulsar]

Too bad
I was gonna ask DE for Primed Rapid Resilience for -100% effect

[coral crest]

Sad

[cosmic dagger]

Would be a little broken no? 😄

Guess the best thing against that boss is to shield gate. With the 2.5s duration the boss has 0.5s to land a hit right as it runs out

[torpid lark]

whats the best archwing?

[velvet pulsar]

Amesha
There's no competition.

No doubt.

[torpid lark]

whats the best archgun?

[cosmic dagger]

Dunno about best, but the Mausolon you get with a necramech is pretty good

[midnight horizon]

That's true hahaha

[velvet pulsar]

I use Larkspur Prime

[midnight horizon]

Archwings are a thing?

[limber panther]

Is this build ok for zero forma? Anything to change?

[midnight horizon]

Oh cyte

[limber panther]

cyte-09 ya sry didnt realize

[karmic badger]

Its a pet peeve of mine seeing people screenshot mod screens but not including the object name

[karmic badger]

Imma keep it a buck, range and strength are most important for cyte, duration is neat and all, but that's mainly if you can't find enough things to headshot to maintain evade. And efficiency is a non issue if you have that one sniper mod that gives energy on headshots

[velvet pulsar]

5 energy per kill

[quiet laurel]

dont even need range tbh

[velvet pulsar]

That too on base efficiency

[quiet laurel]

just strength and duration max

[midnight horizon]

I have a weird plan for Cyte.... And it's to remove his 4 for the sole purpose of... Adding smth (idk yet)

It's bc I wanna use guns but not his sniper

[quiet laurel]

and spam sobek into walls like you are schizo

[velvet pulsar]

And sharpshooter doesn't work on ricochet

[quiet laurel]

THIS IS THE WAY

[velvet pulsar]

Either that or toxocyst

[midnight horizon]

Scared me a bit there God damn

[coral crest]

That's how most dedicated Cyte players end up using him

[quiet laurel]

I just get overjoyed when people dont use his sniper

[coral crest]

Just using Resupply with weapons that like extra instance

[quiet laurel]

and actually unlock his true potential

[midnight horizon]

Oh... Oh so THAT'S the right thing?

[coral crest]

And/or to fix ammo nerfs

[velvet pulsar]

Dual Toxocyst is just better Neutralizer

[midnight horizon]

Oh?????

[coral crest]

He can use his sniper, but his abilites offer so much more for other weapons

[quiet laurel]

I have never even opened the modding screen on neutralizer

[velvet pulsar]

Did u know it had an alt fire?

[midnight horizon]

OK so I want to be ready bc imma be farming Cyte soon, what subsume is good for him? (literally in my mind is Omamori hahahah)

[quiet laurel]

ye from vids

[quiet laurel]

depends on the weapon

[velvet pulsar]

I had equipped arcane ice storm just for the alt fire

[midnight horizon]

Hmmmmmm

[old marsh]

U should be even more overjoyed when u see me. I never use Cyte. Let alone his 4 ranked him up. Modded him for EDA once and that’s it. Never touched him

[coral crest]

Will depend on the w- oh someone else will explain

My brain is a mush rn

[quiet laurel]

but good ones are shock with shock trooper augment, nourish, thermal sunder (blast cyte)

[coral crest]

Also known as Byte

[midnight horizon]

That's actually a cute name hahahah

[coral crest]

Or Blyte?

[quiet laurel]

thats not good

[coral crest]

Cyte is scary in the hands of one of those

How do people call them, that horrible borderline slur name

Knowers

[quiet laurel]

:knowers:

[coral crest]

[old marsh]

but u said overjoyed not using his 4. And I don’t.

[midnight horizon]

Huh...

[coral crest]

It's a joke, for legal purposes

[midnight horizon]

Bahahaha

[coral crest]

Cyte is just very strong if you know how to abuse him

[quiet laurel]

still gotta use him tho 🗣️
not using cyte should get you banned in trade chat fr
no free to play plat for you

[quiet laurel]

even better if you know enemy spawn locations

[coral crest]

Ah yes, enacting in the old sniper tradition

[velvet pulsar]

U getting banned with this one

[coral crest]

Spawncamping

[midnight horizon]

I have a budget plan list after Vauban Heirloom

Cedo Prime
Hydroid Prime
Chroma Prime

And then farm Parts for Voruna and then Cyte

So he would be there on my list

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-goalposts-changing-requirements-gif-25214446

[coral crest]

You get Cyte from 1999 bounties

[old marsh]

Stop moving goalposts

[midnight horizon]

Yee

[coral crest]

Not really a dedicated farm

[old marsh]

Point was not using his 4.

[midnight horizon]

Ooo sorry

[coral crest]

It was not for you

[old marsh]

Not u. Other guy

[midnight horizon]

Ohhhh

Damn fck

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/sultan-running-with-chappal-to-hit-him-gangs-of-wasseypur-gif-21394833

[quiet laurel]

but thats my hobby 😔

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-reb-rebecca-rebecca-ford-glasses-gif-12713949186033169367

[midnight horizon]

Yeah yeah... God damn I need to get some sleep

[karmic badger]

Yeah, and you get 15 per trigger pull

[midnight horizon]

Aight peace out brochachos

[coral crest]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-nokko-dance-so-true-bestie-yareli-gif-15461663442563194899

[velvet pulsar]

5 energy

[coral crest]

Bye-bye

[velvet pulsar]

Grand total

[coral crest]

It's profit

[velvet pulsar]

10 energy is consumed on shot

[coral crest]

It's profit!!!!

[velvet pulsar]

Ricochet kills don't grant any energy

[karmic badger]

Grofit

[coral crest]

ITS STILL PROFIT

[karmic badger]

Also neutralizer works with energy nexus

Since it isn't a constant drain

[velvet pulsar]

And it's not "per shot" energy it's per kill energy

[coral crest]

He stole that from Ivara

[karmic badger]

Its called hustling, a posh upper nose wouldn't understand bruv

[coral crest]

Evading the consequences

[coral crest]

Let's be fair here

What is not dying from a neutralizer headshot

[karmic badger]

Hard mode bosses

[coral crest]

Ok smartass

[karmic badger]

That one juggernaut with bugged damage attenuation

[coral crest]

😭

[velvet pulsar]

You ain't gonna use this exalted against bosses, which already makes this a bad one

[glass rampart]

I don't have cyte...

[coral crest]

Is it still here?

Or did Undermind kill it

[glass rampart]

I subsumed him instantly...

[velvet pulsar]

It's still tanky

[karmic badger]

It haunts my dreams like ballas haunts the perita memories

[glass rampart]

Now I have Evade and don't know who to use it on

[coral crest]

There's a difference between attenuation and a 10mil blood ball

[velvet pulsar]

I measured it in half-full toxocyst incarnon charges

[coral crest]

Lmao

[velvet pulsar]

That's a lot

[karmic badger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1289455738984337491/1338751040069042248/Warframe_2025.02.11_-_12.37.37.03.DVR.mp4?ex=69882610&is=6986d490&hm=4cd0fc870a0cb05cc85398b0548c1f0579c95eea4a3fc6de786accbd33a1429a&

It haunts me

[coral crest]

Nice math measurements

[karmic badger]

2

[glass rampart]

2???

[karmic badger]

Harrow

[pallid quiver]

rev, he needs more survivability

[coral crest]

Or Lavos, if you hate me in particular

[glass rampart]

Add 700 armour and persistence too while you're at it

[karmic badger]

Yareli

[pallid quiver]

how do i play lavos lol

[coral crest]

From most people the answer is you dont

[pallid quiver]

are there specific element combos that go well with each ability

[glass rampart]

Now that's interesting. Do i subsume off condemn then

[karmic badger]

Like he's a piano and you're beethoven

I think its his 3 or smth

[coral crest]

And you're also deaf

[pallid quiver]

i love doing a mission on 1.5k ping

its almost as if im not there

[coral crest]

Not really, outside of maybe

Viral on 2

[pallid quiver]

oh i use radioactive on 2 lol

[karmic badger]

Viral or blast

Mainly for valence formation

[pallid quiver]

what stats are good on him

valence what now

[coral crest]

Crying

[karmic badger]

Don't listen to me, make lavos a caster

[coral crest]

No no

Gaslight, Gatekeep, Lavos

[karmic badger]

Experiment with flipping his tap/hold settings

[pallid quiver]

hey cmon

[coral crest]

[pallid quiver]

tell me how to use and build him

[coral crest]

All your abilities inflict guaranteed status

Their own + infused

[karmic badger]

Generic gun platform is using his augment to apply guranteed elemental procs to his gun

But caster is funnier

[coral crest]

His 4 scales damage off as many elements as enemy has

And it does heat + whatever you infuse

So your purpose as Lavos is to inflict as many elements on an enemy and cash out with 4

[pallid quiver]

so viral on 4 is good

[coral crest]

Viral on 2 is good

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah

[coral crest]

If you're sure it'll kill, use 4 with more heat or blast or gas

Or toxin if you're feeling spicy

Grab a priming pet

[pallid quiver]

diriga returns to haunt me

[coral crest]

Diriga returns to hound you

Valence Formation is an augment that buffs your weapon with an infused element when you cast an ability

[pallid quiver]

lavos augment im guessing

[coral crest]

It's fixed 200% and a forced proc on hit

[pallid quiver]

do it stack?

[coral crest]

Yeah, obviously

[coral crest]

What?

[pallid quiver]

the elements

like if i spam cast all my abilities with an exodia of elements

[coral crest]

Nah, it's just 200% of whatever last element you used

[torpid lark]

where is to best farm xp for archguns?

[coral crest]

Scales with duration

[pallid quiver]

do i get an exodia of elements slapped onto my gun

[coral crest]

No, just the last one you infused

[pallid quiver]

sad

[coral crest]

Ppl usually infuse it with gas or blast or viral

Because it's guaranteed procs

[karmic badger]

That neptune archwing mission is decent, especially on SP, or you could use the deployer with a frame that generates universal ammo like Protea or Lavos

[coral crest]

Most Lavos players don't use Lavos, they just use him to platform with Valence Formation

Because a fixed 200% elemental mod with guaranteed procs is strong

It applies to incarnons and melees too

So you can... Influence with weapons that don't really influece otherwise

Or slam or something

Or give blast to your snipers

Or become the best debilitate user in the game

[pallid quiver]

is sheev good btw?

[pallid quiver]

whats debilitate

[coral crest]

Primary Debilitate

[pallid quiver]

if i was gonna subsume something from lavos what would i replace

[coral crest]

Probably 2

[velvet pulsar]

Usually it's 2

[coral crest]

You're losing viral, magnetic and blast

Those are usually on weapons somewhere anyways

[velvet pulsar]

And cold

[coral crest]

Yeah, and cold

[pallid quiver]

wait i lose elements/

[coral crest]

And a sick ass movement ability

And your best primer

[pallid quiver]

if i get rid of his 2

[coral crest]

Yep, subsuming on Lavos removes the respective ability's element from the infusion pool

[velvet pulsar]

Can't have everything unlike yareli

[coral crest]

So removing 4 cuts off heat and all related elements

2 removes cold and all related elements

Etc etc etc

2 is the least harmful because the elements it gives are usually on weapons anyway, and removing 2 harms his caster style quite a bit

[pallid quiver]

do i go for range on him?

[coral crest]

So it's usually for gunning

[coral crest]

For caster and hybrid - yeah. Range wouldn't hurt

Only his 4 can kill, so overextended and precision intensify is good on him

But he's a health tank at heart so you can go triumbral

His passive gives him essentially status immunity, so Persistence is great

[pallid quiver]

ooh precision intensify ok

[pallid quiver]

triumbral is just the 3 umbral mods?

[coral crest]

Mhm

[pallid quiver]

hmmm i didnt know he was a health tank

what makes something a health tank lol

[karmic badger]

low shields, high armor, and some innate form of health regen

[torpid lark]

where is to best farm xp for archguns?

[coral crest]

And usually all health tanks come with reliable status protection

[pallid quiver]

oh cool

didnt know that

[old marsh]

Not where. But rather how.
Install Gyromags and take it to any mission

[pallid quiver]

would xaku be a health tank?

[karmic badger]

Ehh, he's an evasion tank

[old marsh]

Unless u don’t want to spend Gyromags then just go to Salacia I think.

[coral crest]

They don't fit the stats at all, but technically...

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[coral crest]

Ok now hear me out

Health Conversion won't get scratched off fast because of the untime evade chance

[pallid quiver]

i mean hes got the dodge mechanic on his 4

[coral crest]

Then we add Persistence

[karmic badger]

Subsume well of life for orbs

[coral crest]

And

Grofit

[karmic badger]

Grofit

[old marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[karmic badger]

Unf

[velvet pulsar]

Pair all other evasion stats

[coral crest]

Health Conversion is extremely consistent with xaku since they're never getting hit

[torpid lark]

whats that

[coral crest]

Well of life for orbs, and you don't even really need it with synth Decon

Vampiric Grasp for healing

[velvet pulsar]

Well of Life for status immunity as well

[pallid quiver]

also

[coral crest]

Health tank xaku

[old marsh]

Use Warframe Wiki

[pallid quiver]

do u guys think sheev is a good weapon or mr fodder

[coral crest]

We are so back

[torpid lark]

like what is gryomag?

[velvet pulsar]

There's also Sly Vulpaphyla for boosting evasion I think

So u have a complete evasion build

It's like omamori without omamori

[karmic badger]

Calcium too stronk

[torpid lark]

bro thats xakus thing

[coral crest]

I don't think anyone knows

[velvet pulsar]

U wanna gamble more then add omamori itself

[pallid quiver]

[midnight crown]

Guys, which operator arcane is good?

[karmic badger]

Doesn't the sheev have like, 40% status chance on slam? And its pure heat?

[coral crest]

Yeah

[velvet pulsar]

Overguard strip on void sling
Initial tauron charge

[karmic badger]

Funny afflictions build is probably pretty good

[torpid lark]

gravimag?

[coral crest]

Sheev more like

Sheet

I waited too long for this

[midnight crown]

What arcane is that?

[karmic badger]

I Sheeved my pants

[velvet pulsar]

Nice try.

[torpid lark]

how do i farm the xp for archguns fast?

[coral crest]

Does shitting your pants count as a heavy slam

[midnight crown]

Huh?

[karmic badger]

We told you already! Neptune archwing or use the archgun deployer!

[karmic badger]

Certainly gives me afflictions

[tame musk]

beginner builds anywhere?

[velvet pulsar]

No force in the universe will make me remember those ridiculous names.

[torpid lark]

bro u said neptune mission? WHAT?

[karmic badger]

The neptune archwing mission, i forgor its name but its the highest level archwing mission available

[midnight crown]

I couldn't find any arcane that has the same ability as you said

[karmic badger]

3-4 runs should max out an archgun

[velvet pulsar]

Epidemic Afflictions if u will

[coral crest]

About to turn it into contagion

[velvet pulsar]

Those are 2 different arcanes I said

[velvet pulsar]

Nah Contagion Influence is it's older brother

[fierce lark]

emergence savior and magus elevate is what i usually run

magus anomaly is really good as well

[velvet pulsar]

Oh wait

U didn't mean tauron arcanes

[midnight crown]

Ik, but i couldn't find any of them on the wiki, yk the yellow energy ones

[midnight crown]

Not that one

[karmic badger]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Zid-An_Osbok

[velvet pulsar]

Right got too captivated with the update

[midnight crown]

I didn't mean the tauron arcanes

[midnight crown]

Okay

[coral crest]

Zoob-glorp

[fierce lark]

uskos is ridiculous if you’re in an endurance using your secondary

[velvet pulsar]

I use Magus Lockdown for general play, Magus Accelerant for boss fights, magus melt for damage boost to amps

What was the ammo efficiency one?

[midnight crown]

So you convert a % of your void dmg to heat dmg?

[velvet pulsar]

Eternal Logistics
This is my general use one

[velvet pulsar]

Melt adds, conversion is a different one

[midnight crown]

Isn't it on the amp?

[karmic badger]

I like the ones that gives bonuses when you dump your energy

[velvet pulsar]

Right sorry

[karmic badger]

Real great for madurai that has a built in "shid out all energy" button

[midnight crown]

So it adds a % of heat dmg to your amp?

[velvet sundial]

How would I go about building a mirage weapon platform

[velvet pulsar]

Yes

[midnight crown]

Oh okay

[midnight crown]

Imma try to find that one

Is it emergence dissipate?

[velvet pulsar]

Also Magus Melt maxes out as a 210% heat damage mod to ur amp

You're boosting ur amp damage from an operator arcane

[midnight crown]

That's really good

[velvet pulsar]

BTW this heat damage doesn't affect all those enemies which can only be damaged by amp's void dmg

However, unlike conversion mods, you're not losing anything here

[midnight crown]

Like thrax enemies?

And the little things that heal eidolons

[velvet pulsar]

Yeah u won't get bonus dmg against thrax ghost, but regular enemies, yes

Their ghost form, yes
Their normal form, any.

[midnight crown]

Okay

Now i need another arcane for my operator

[velvet pulsar]

On the other hand conversion arcanes reduce ur basic void dmg so they make u weaker against these ghostly enemies

So melt gets this advantage over those

[midnight crown]

Do you have any recommendation for my second operator arcane?

[velvet pulsar]

Lockdown is convenient.

[midnight crown]

I can't understand its ability

What does tether mean?

[late hemlock]

it shoots out small tethers that render enemies immobile

[karmic badger]

Landmine that sticks enemies in place with ropes

[midnight crown]

Oh okay

Like one of oraxia ability?

[karmic badger]

Same effect, different visual

And no damage boost

[midnight crown]

Okay

[velvet sundial]

How would I go about building a mirage weapon platform?

[karmic badger]

Pump strength and duration, use the eclipse augment

[midnight crown]

Strength, duration, total eclipse

[karmic badger]

Survivability is via rolling guard and passive shield gating via arcane aegis and double recharge mods

[midnight crown]

Hall of malevolence if you like

[karmic badger]

Circumvent for overguard stealing

[velvet sundial]

Thank you

[midnight crown]

Does molt augmented efficient on this build?

[velvet sundial]

Should I use a hemlith?

[karmic badger]

I find the extra str unneeded

[karmic badger]

Nourish on either her 2 or 4

If you're melee, wrathful advance

[midnight crown]

Im using constitution in the place of rolling guard rn, does it affect much to the survivability?

[karmic badger]

Constitution won't help against status effects...

[midnight crown]

Oh okay

[astral mica]

Constitution and rolling guard do very different things

[midnight crown]

I find the status annoying too

[karmic badger]

Knockdowns are countered by either prime sure footed or having overguard

[astral mica]

Rolling guard is the easy slot in, but ofc you can use other methods of status immunity

[midnight crown]

Yeah, because i was watching a guide using constitution with evade as the helminth ability

[karmic badger]

And heat, electric, and worst of all, toxin procs, are resolved via rolling guard or overguard

[midnight crown]

What are the other methods?

[astral mica]

Overguard, negate from wrym, certain frame specific abilities

[midnight crown]

So i should replace the molt augmented for circumvent?

[karmic badger]

That's what i did, extra 60% str i can just snapshot from madurai sling

[astral mica]

Frames like Dante, Loki, Revenant, etc etc etc are just immune to statuses

With their abilities

Iirc Hidryn's Pillage, and Uriels 2( forgot the name of the skill) also cleanse statuses, and they're both helmith abilities

[midnight crown]

I'm not really fluent with the schools, i just use whatever is on rn and rarely change it

[astral mica]

So you're definitely not short on ways of getting statuse cleansing

[midnight crown]

I see

[karmic badger]

With Tektolyst artifacts, having a good understanding of your school is kinda important rn

Like the vazarin talking stick is a guranteed get outta jail card on top of Vazarin's survival options

[midnight crown]

I'm too lazy to get to that atm

[karmic badger]

The unairu hammer gives all weapons 25% defense removal per hit for 30s

[astral mica]

Vazarin has the "sling into your Warframe to give it immunity" ability right?

[midnight crown]

I haven't got a tauron strike myself

[karmic badger]

Ye

[astral mica]

So that's another way of status cleansing

[karmic badger]

Plus insta revives for teammates and pets

And vazarin also has like, a mini version of the voidrig shield ability

[midnight crown]

I'm still at mid-game rn, haven't touched a lot of things

[lucid drift]

I started playing a little over a month ago. Just got to mr18, and feel like instead of grinding mastery i want to make some actual strong builds. Now i have a couple of 0 - 2 forma budget builds (most strongly Nuke Nova). They perform very well in simple steelpath star chart or bounties. But I'm starting to struggle in around level 600 void cascade. I've decided I want to start hard investing in a build to max build it to run not only endless void cascade but also all other hard content. Any recommendations?

[karmic badger]

Oh sweet mama

[late hemlock]

there is sooooooo much stuff you can use to play at those levels that its frankly up to what interests you

[karmic badger]

Level 500 is highest for endgame content, any further and you're looking for endurance max level cap runs

[lucid drift]

The problem is that i havent been playing long enough to know what i like and currently found every frame i played fun. But I would say I disklike playing support

[narrow granite]

A or B which is better for overall use? x.x

[astral mica]

Do note that most "support" frames can be DPS as well. Remember all the buffs the support frames give also apply to themselves

[lucid drift]

ive recently started doing endless void cascade fissures with some friends. luckily they carry me for the operator dmg which is still severely lacking for me. but even at around level 600 im starting to see my current nuke nova build fall off and unable to keep up.

[zinc thunder]

2 blue Tau for armor
3 red Tau for Duration

Activate his 2 and forget about dying

[violet silo]

the problem is toxin?

[zinc thunder]

Not anymore

[violet silo]

also armor is really weird here

gauss simply doesn't need it

[zinc thunder]

It’s just for persistence

[violet silo]

5 red tau

[astral mica]

What exactly is stopping the toxin in this build?

[violet silo]

persistence on gauss is... certainly a choice

I take it you aren't interested in the aegis combo, but health tank gauss still seems odd

[zinc thunder]

Persistence, adaptation, hunters

[astral mica]

Oh persistence

[zinc thunder]

Shield gating is cool, but I like to try other ways of survivability

[summer delta]

How do Braton Prime Incarnon builds tend to look?

[astral mica]

Can't worry about toxin if you don't have shields in the first place

[zinc thunder]

Toxin can bypass shields

[violet silo]

could just run rolling guard

[lucid drift]

thanks. I'll try this build out for myself.

[astral mica]

Yes that's why you don't need to worry about toxin bypassing your shields if you don't have shields in the first place

[zinc thunder]

👍

[zinc thunder]

Srry, I misread
I recently woke up

[summer delta]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-smart-gif-16536398705701482405

[icy seal]

Second enervate or Cascadia flare on Lurkspur Prime? Your choice and why?)

[astral mica]

The choice can also depend on your primary arcane slot. I wouldn't recommend going flare if you're already using another base damage arcane for your primary arcane slot like Merciless

[severe bough]

Cascadia flare

Unless u got external cd buffs then enervate is a good option

[hexed coyote]

Arcane blight or frostbite for cedo, this is so hard to pick bruh

[severe bough]

Blight should be a little stronger than frostbite

But im guessing u wont see any big difference in gameplay

[undone dust]

you remembered what i told you i love you twin

[gleaming oasis]

here's the second draft

[severe bough]

Feel like dagath is highly underrated lmao rarely see here tho shes pretty good

Next year dagath prime

[late hemlock]

why would you ever use fast deflection on a frame that never manually regens shields?

[gleaming oasis]

idk this is why I come here for advice and guidance

[coral crest]

Probably because she costs standing to farm

[severe bough]

💀

Thats crazy

[coral crest]

Imagine being only more popular than Qorvex and banshee

[narrow granite]

how is blockhead less popular dan limbo o.o

has the limbo hate dissipated over the years?

flashbacks on scarlet spear op

[late hemlock]

generally you want to pump as much strength and range as possible so you are already in the right direction

raksa kubrow is a must run, protect is insane

as for subsume xata is easily my recommendation because it can headshot (gonna happen pretty often considering you bomb from above)

5 strength shards if you can afford it are huge on her

duration is just qol for xata, could remove it for more strength

[coral crest]

Sci-fi freak carrying the pickrate

[narrow granite]

wut

[midnight horizon]

So chat

Xata Gauss okina with melee careen and thermal transfer for blast

What yall think

[severe bough]

Its pretty usefull if u play non ult balefire tech u have more slots open than normal anyways

[late hemlock]

if you are using hildryn without balefire i wouldnt use hildryn at all ngl

either way pillage is her shield regen so normal shield regen mods are useless

tap it once and get 10k shields

[gleaming oasis]

so this'll work just fine then

[severe bough]

It works due to enervate

[late hemlock]

not sure what you are saying?

[severe bough]

Client bug

[late hemlock]

projection isnt really doing much for you since pillage strips either way

[late hemlock]

im aware of it, not sure how it comes into the discussion about using shield regen?

[gleaming oasis]

auras are placeholders those can be interchanged later

[severe bough]

If your shield pops u cannot recast it instandly (with pillage) having shield a bit earlier due to fast def + viglante is just a bit more comfy but thats very rare anyways normally everything dies anyways

[late hemlock]

frankly if you are playing at a level where your shield pops for some reason (not sure where does that happen unless you are levelcapping)? might as well just go into operator and when you come out hildryn already regen'ed some shields

[severe bough]

My brain cant take it to wait tho🥀 (ofc lvl cap)

My brain cant take it to wait even more on a casc or arbi bruh

Game is trolling

[gilded spoke]

So, I have a bit of read, but it is a good build.

I highly recommend it as it is a good replacement for all the dogshit dumbassery that people be forcing down chroma players throats

[gleaming oasis]

ok baldefire time what are the investing points. Grenade launchers feel clunky to mod for

[late hemlock]

dont build it for status, use enervate and build for as much damage as possible

[gleaming oasis]

ok so enervate on grenade launchers then

ditch bullseye for more damage

[late hemlock]

dont need crit chance mods with enervate yeah

get rid of seeker 60/60 mods and elementalist

[gleaming oasis]

how fast is the balefore fire rate

[late hemlock]

im using it with only reinforced bond from the companion, makes it fast enough

you can get the amalgam furax mod for even more firerate

wouldnt use velocity on the frame, better arcanes to run like augmented

[gleaming oasis]

what could fill the last slot

more crit mult maybe

sharpened bullets dont seem too bad

[late hemlock]

what i mean by building for damage isnt ignoring elemental damage, just not building for status

fulmination is also extremely powerful because it multiplies off your ability range

[gleaming oasis]

becasue the elec procs are garunteed?

[late hemlock]

nah, most of the time you wont proc anything

it just doesnt matter, thats not what you are using the weapon for

[gleaming oasis]

how is the blast so high?

[late hemlock]

You scale off ability strength so my hildryn with a base of over 300% has a better starting point

[late hemlock]

.

[gleaming oasis]

say less im always down for blast shenanigans. anyways hows this

[late hemlock]

The blast is mainly there for the occasional xata interaction but if you dont care about that just swap elements per faction for matchup bonus

Generally seems fine though id rather run magnetic might over magnum force

Could swap that slot for bane as well but I cba

[undone dust]

either mag might or elementalist tbh but elementalist is overkill with xatas blast anyway

[gleaming oasis]

xats gonna take me a while tho

[late hemlock]

Elementalist is a waste of a slot when most of the time you aren't getting a proc tbf, you just kill with big numbers

[late ice]

Can i get a tenet arca plasmor build for toxic progenitor?

[late hemlock]

Xata triples itself when you headshot so the buff is massive, worth the grind

[gleaming oasis]

one day

[celest thicket]

damage from the mecha set is considered companion or warframe damage ?

[gleaming oasis]

so when the next plauge start event?

[late hemlock]

Would imagine it depends on who triggered it? Way too niche of a question i doubt people know that ngl

[late hemlock]

Last one was September and the norm so far is like a 2 year gap

Good luck

[gleaming oasis]

rip fulmination

[late hemlock]

Make sure to check your weekly non steel path circuit for a 1% chance a week lol

[celest thicket]

damn, i wanted to know if synth descontruct would proc on all the targets

but yeah its a extremly niche question

[late hemlock]

At least synth doesnt have to kill so plenty of companions do wide area damage

[celest thicket]

yes, even more that its a predasite in question

[late hemlock]

Predasite has its precepts for the viral spread stuff so should be fine with synth

[brittle sleet]

There's... definitely some mistakes here, most notably running Archon Continuity instead of Primed Continuity when you're not running toxin abilities, and also Melee Influence doesn't spread Slash procs

[versed wraith]

I’m using mag and dread, on the dread should I mod for faster charge rate n multishot or damage n multishot

[fierce lark]

8 mod slots, why not both

[gilded spoke]

From my testing it does, as long as you build for gas electric the slash will get carried. And I run archon continuity cause I personally switch to toxin here and there (I also can’t be arsed to get primed continuity)

[celest thicket]

btw the wiki says that the mecha set damage is amplified by mods on my kubrow claws, so do i need to keep the same elements to receive the boost or just the mods are enough ?

[celest thicket]

it seems that contagion bond procs from the mecha set, so its considered companion damage

[stiff flower]

dumb question. out of the three kavats, which one is the best??

[misty vigil]

smeeta i'd assume cus of the charm thing

[stiff flower]

even after the change?

i havent touched smeet since the companion rework lol

[misty vigil]

i got zero clue about the companion changes lol, but no one ever talks about kavats so i assumed it's still the same old stuff

[stiff flower]

well im using it with cyte 09 and looking at these buffs. half of them are bad xD

I have more than 200% crit. i already auto reload with his resupply.

the rest are pretty ok?

[late hemlock]

smeeta is good for general use with the affinity triple and occasional rare resource, but if you want to get power from your kavat its adarza

hard to go wrong with flat 60% crit buff

[torpid lark]

what should be my mausolon build?

[gilded spoke]

Tf?

[fierce lark]

indeed

[torpid lark]

what should be my mausolon build?

[late ice]

How much strength does mag need for 100% armor strip

[celest thicket]

smeeta if you like a companion to help in general, but of course what he does is rng, adarza if you want pure damage, can enable some niche and funny builds with weapons that dont normally crit that well (crit basmu is crazy)

i dont even know what the vasca does

[celest thicket]

around 30% i believe

i mean, 130%

[nocturne spindle]

The vasca kavat is capable of sacrificing its health to raise you when you're bleeding out, this triggers even in eda/eta, it's also capable of dealing some pretty insane slash damage

[torpid lark]

best archgun?

[celest thicket]

kuva grattler, without a question

corvas prime ,kuva ayanga, lankspur prime and mausolon comes behind, all of them have their strenghts, which is the best between these depends on the person

even the normal grattler is still among the best

[mighty flare]

light spam

the stances were made by a person that hates gunblades idk

[stiff flower]

vasca heals it self and revives you

Transfusion and draining bite

[brittle sleet]

139%

[next dune]

been liking the stalta again. any recommendations on ways to mod? things i could change or add? (yes i know it's missing a mod)

[stiff flower]

this discord has commands to find mods in game right?

[main parrot]

Not on the game right now but here my load out

[toxic latch]

So then what are the ideal companions now since the change of it’s not smeeta anymore? Is it frame dependent? Play style dependent? Or are there top choices?

[late hemlock]

depends on what you wanna use your companion for, some excel in damage, some in priming, others have different kind of utility

[toxic latch]

I play with 3 other people.. I think one I think would want his companion to help with damage , the other with survival and one with buffs maybe?

[fierce lark]

panzer is great for survival and getting both reinforced/tenacious bond buffs, and okay viral priming. does good damage too if you mod out the claws

anything with a modded verglas + fired up will crank damage, as well mecha set dogs if you build into it

nautilus/wyrm prime with tazicor are good for ranged CO priming and give you reinforced bond

diriga with prisma/prime burst laser or laser rifle prime is great for melee CO priming and give you tenacious bond

[nocturne spindle]

Nautilus with reinforced bond? Is that possible?

[mighty flare]

yes

[copper socket]

does anyone know a good dante build?

[fierce lark]

nautilus prime and wyrm prime are the only sentinels that can trigger it

[nocturne spindle]

Thought naut couldn't get enough shields, I should work on that

[fierce lark]

1225 with a maxed redirect

just enough

[toxic latch]

Any of the dogs work? And so now none of the kavatts are really good for much anymore either..

[nocturne spindle]

Adarza is p good for bumping you up a crit tier

[fierce lark]

raksa, sunika, huras kubrows and hounds depending on their parts

[swift flame]

Is slamkong still good?

[brittle sleet]

The other two dogs play to their niches well as well, with Sahasa digging up orbs and Chesa just getting you even MORE loot drops (only doesn't stack with Nekros's loot doubling)

[fierce lark]

tennokai influence kong might be better? but i mean, yes

[brittle sleet]

Sahasa definitely has the weakest niche though

[swift flame]

Tenno what?

[white lodge]

Can I improve this somehow.. stuck with it on Eda

[fierce lark]

tennokai = mods that let you heavy for free after x amount of light attacks

you do a normal 12x combo light attack build but you stick discipline's merit in the exilus

and sometimes you get free fast heavies

and if your exalted melee has any tennokai mod equipped you can stick all the rest of them on your actual melee weapon and it’ll inherit all of the effects

[slender hemlock]

are there any other mods apart from the gold silver and bronze ones, because those are the only ones i keep seeing

[fierce lark]

there are primed mods which have to be bought from baro ki'teer for ducats, obtained by breaking down prime parts from relics

there are galvanized mods from the arbitration shop in the arbiters of hexis hub at any relay, bought with vitus essence you get from doing arbitrations

and there are amalgam mods, all of which are gotten from the ropolalyst assassination on jupiter and from the termia fractures even which rotates in regularly

baro is actually here rn until tomorrow morning

[quiet laurel]

sahasa used in meta arbis

but thats about it

[slender hemlock]

can a newbie get those or are they like endgame purchases?

[fierce lark]

mid game

you get access to arbitrations as soon as you finish the star-chart, right before steel path

primed mods you can buy whenever, void relics are accessible very early

[quiet laurel]

you unlock it at eris junction

[fierce lark]

is that new lmao

[quiet laurel]

kinda

[slender hemlock]

oh nice, tysm

[quiet laurel]

at least half a year

[fierce lark]

oh yeah the isleweaver update

[severe bough]

True

[modern yoke]

I need help building Garuda Prime

And Dagath, probably Dagath 1st since she'll be done before Garuda

[mighty flare]

garuda is high range, low strength ~139% and positive duration
dagath is always high strength, but high duration with her augment, while high range without it

[fair swan]

Does anyone have a lieba tenet plasmore build???

[severe bough]

Can give u one after im done with that casc but as meat alr said high range str at 139 and pos duration

[modern yoke]

Alright

[fierce lark]

dagussy

[next dune]

so can anyone help me with the stahlta?

[quiet laurel]

bro subsumed over the 2

[late hemlock]

kinda depends on what you wanna do with her

if its a 1 nuke then a LOT of casting speed, a lot of range and some str

[twilit geyser]

I jus got my dagath n i wanna kno if anyone has a good build for her

[quiet laurel]

look at the build above but dont subsume over the 2

subsume over 4

or 1 if you really like the horses ig

[fierce lark]

subsuming over 2 to make doom do less damage to grief my on-kill stuff

[quiet laurel]

doesnt doom insta kill anyway when it has the chance to

[fierce lark]

yes im 100% coping

roar was just there to make horses hit harder

[stiff flower]

So fun question. whats the point of the last incarnon evo point for the thalys reason for existing? because i would think if it makes void spikes it makes to be weakpoints, it would highlight or work with cyte 09 1. it does not.

Correction. they do work for his exalted sniper rifle ricocheting. but tf is the point if its not highlighted with his one. xD

[mighty flare]

roar doesnt increase doom threshold and subsuming doom threshold loses its scaling 🥀
its like worse option you could've picked

[tame musk]

how to defeat jordas golem i do no dmg

[next dune]

shoot him in da booty

the only damagable part is the thrusters/vents in the back on him

[fierce lark]

what do you think then, subsumeless?

[tiny ridge]

on the kuva ogris do i go for firestorm or heavy caliber

[mighty flare]

dagath's only options are either subsuming over 4 or 1, but i'd just run subsumeless if im keeping 4

[mighty flare]

both

[tiny ridge]

no room atm hence the question

[fierce lark]

i like keeping rakhali as a pseudo gate

and musume execution is fun

[mighty flare]

then you need to change up ur build, ogris likes both

[severe bough]

Tbh i would probably run amalgam r10 heavy caliber feels so idk🥀

To much spread my little brain cannot compansate that

I however used r10 in last arbi the bullets flew everywhere but where i wanted

[mighty flare]

thats why you dont run r10

[severe bough]

Ik but my ass is to lazy and I keep forget to switch

Wtf going on 6 time vauban

Parts

[tiny ridge]

i'm still formaing it so no space

amalgam heavy caliber?

[mighty flare]

why are you going in long arbi without proper setup

[mighty flare]

then just use whatever until you finish formaing, full built ogris uses both

[tiny ridge]

got it

[severe bough]

Setup was good just forgot to switch it out for lower rank or amalg worked well enough out still had the highest kill however

[modern yoke]

So, I need a Mend & Maim Equinox Prime build

[fair swan]

Does anyone have a lieba tenet plasmore build???

[neat harbor]

What’s a lieba

[late hemlock]

Probably his lich prefix

[fair swan]

This

[neat harbor]

That’s the name of your sister man hahahahaha

U using gauss?

[fair swan]

Harrow

[neat harbor]

Oh I c just copy ninjases build then

[fair swan]

Who?

[neat harbor]

On overframe

[fair swan]

What is that

[fierce lark]

harrow can probably copy a gauss build, they both have a huge fire rate & reload buff

[neat harbor]

https://overframe.gg/build/251020/tenet-arca-plasmor/tenet-arca-plasmor-raw-electric-dps/

[fair swan]

U the goat

I have only 1 of those mods

[hollow elm]

Is there an actual advantage between the diffirent moa componants (exept the models)?
I wanna build a moa woth each model for mastery. But i thought if im alr at it why not min max them. But its so much idk how long itd take until i actually go thru everything and calc

[late bramble]

Anyone got a good glaive prime build? I wanna use it but I kinda dont know how to mod it

[static wing]

does anyone have a build for endgame content for yareli ?

[pure reef]

Naur they work like Hounds where you can use any precept on any Moa. Build one you think looks the coolest (and probably consider having enough shields for reinforced bond)

[hollow elm]

Wich part(parts) would that be?

[pure reef]

You can preview the stats of your gilded dream companion at Legs so you can see what amount of base shields you'll need. Gonna have to check the wiki pages on that though

[hollow elm]

What i was trying to prevent tbh xd
Im gonna build each model for precept and mastery anyways.
Just thought i could spare me the Research and brain power if theres already a "meta" with parts every moa objectivly shoudl have and such

Cant dodge the homework iguess

[west radish]

bro

how good is pistol acuity

[hollow elm]

Was nerfed afaik from crazy op to dogwater

[west radish]

oh

350% seems big

[hollow elm]

I might be wrong so caution:
They changed it to addative to base to its like a %350 crit chance mod that disables multishot

[west radish]

oh shi

thats why it said multishot cannot be modified

[hollow elm]

Same woth priamarry acuity(again if i remember correctly)

[west radish]

i was wondering what it means

very bums on beam weapons then

[hollow elm]

Yeah its not worth it at all. Esp since its limited to headshots only.

[hollow elm]

Some beam wepons trigger headshots very consistent and across multibke tagrets

[west radish]

ye but multishot is too good on beam waepons

to get rid of it

[hollow elm]

Yeah.but thats for all weapons

Acuity generly is just useless now. Not worth loosing ms over it on any wepons

[nocturne spindle]

Ok but I love seeing funny numbers on the burston with it tho

[west radish]

aight thanks

[hollow elm]

Also again its just weakpoint

[west radish]

my aim is very good

[hollow elm]

Why i said afaik im not 100% certain. I just know thats you wont see it on build after the change anymore. Nobody ik uses it

[nocturne spindle]

It's also good on the ax 52

[hollow elm]

Gg but i mesnt like it a empty modslots if you dont hit on or if the enemy weakpoint not hittable atm

[nocturne spindle]

With its innate 400% cc on headshots

[hollow elm]

Have you tried it without and ms instead?

[nocturne spindle]

It's been a while admittedly so I don't recall

[hollow elm]

Same i didnt use acuity before the change at all(my aims dogshit recently). I just knew its was the hot shit then. And after the change it vanished instanly.

[nocturne spindle]

What change are you talking about?

[hollow elm]

All build i saw used it(if they could) and now no buidl dl

[hollow elm]

I think they change it from multiplikitive to additave, meaning its now just like 2 critchance mods that only affact headshot and also disable ms.

Again i might be wrong

So not worth it most of the time

[nocturne spindle]

I mean the amount of damage it provides is still worth the multishot lock if your aim is good imo

The change you were mentioning was a bugfix

Also it's still multiplicative with deadhead arcanes so that can get you some pretty good results

Also whether it's "not worth it" is usually dependent on the loadout

[hollow elm]

"Good aim" til theres literally no head to hit xd.
Yeah like i said i didnt use it for personal reaspns but sometime enemys are so positiln u cant hit head. Or e.g in cascade you goota quickly killa thrax, but your so positioned thaz u cant hit its head and he takes over the exolizer uk. In that cases its literally a nerf mod

[hollow elm]

Ok so i was wrong mb. Just remembers reading somehwhere its dead now.also i dont see it on any build anymore, bach then id was basicly on everybuild that could make use of it

[nocturne spindle]

The primary reason for acuitys existence is to provide an alternative style of gunplay that rewards higher skill, a choice that falls completely on player choice, you can choose not to use it but saying it's not worth using goes against the intention of its creation imo

[untold moss]

does galvanized chamber work on artemis bow?

[nocturne spindle]

Yup

[hollow elm]

Well i said not worth it IF i remebered correctly. But even now you could still argue they arent. On that lvl u do enough dmg anyways. Why limite that damage to head shots only? Also what if there no head to hit rn, you loose out for now advantage.
I have to test it later but i think i can say not worth bc you gain dmg on head shot and loose out on every other shot. Also multishots a strong dmg increase, and headshots are still rewarding without acuity.

Like on weapons like incarnons that shred regardles is really not worth it. Alone that you gotta keep in mind that the current build u use is headshot focus.id forgot and run into non headshottable mission with it a lot

Gives me the banes feeling

Great increase in dmg, but you engouh alr and the hassle of remodding aint worth it most of the time

[nocturne spindle]

Every enemy has a weak point of some kind, DE makes sure of that

And I did say whether you use Acuity or not is dependent on what gun you use

Some guns benefit more than others

[hollow elm]

Positioning. Sometimes its not possible to hit it. Like in a stressful boss fight having too search the weakpoint in a storm of clutter (abilitys etc) seems annoying

[nocturne spindle]

Some people like to move around to reach weak points better

[hollow elm]

But do those guns benifit SO much that you
Cant use ms
Dont get any bonus on non weakpoints
Have to have it in mind like a baine
?

[hollow elm]

.... bro i said clutter. you can be jesus himself aiming if you cant SEE the weakpoint bc of 100000 effects taking place repositioning is not gonna help

Or if you dont have the best hardwhere and you games a litl laggy, esp in thos situation

Or you teams spread electirc

[nocturne spindle]

Well some guns have so little innate multishot that they get less benefits from multishot mods than guns that have more to start with, like shotguns, I could see an argument for Acuity in that scenario

[hollow elm]

E.g?

I can see it used it thrax killers and such

Also public lobbys make it sometimes impossible to aim headshots even if your good

[brittle sleet]

Worth noting hitscan AoE weapons don't get multishot on the AoE and Acuity becomes a lot more notable for them

Burston, Opticor, so on

[nocturne spindle]

Burston incarnon yea

I think I saw a trumna build that used Acuity once too lol

That does take away from the alt fire but it was an interesting idea

[hollow elm]

But burston shreds so hard alr. Why limit your self to all that? I guess lvl cap runs mb

[knotty oyster]

is this a good build for the paris just starting out with it

[nocturne spindle]

I mean I'm already aiming for heads to charge incarnon, why not add more incentive

[knotty oyster]

and what primary arcane would be good on it?

[nocturne spindle]

Plus sometimes I just wanna see red

[hollow elm]

You do that once. Than you have 600 round of god killing ammo

Then once again

I guess im just a hater of so situationally good things. Esp for weapons that alr shred anything. Just imagining taking out acuity(for what ever reason) between thing more often than once gives me cancer

[hollow elm]

Ok now you convinced me. Tho my burston alr shows read on most hit without acutiy.......

Pretty much all with full modifiers

[glossy yew]

does anyone have a good torid incarnon build that i wont have to worry ab redoing for sp? ive seen a few so far and just wanna know if theres a set meta one to use so i dont have to worry about wasting forma/plat/endo

[fierce lark]

acuity mostly sucks because it causes very bad damage floor when you miss headshots, and the damage ceiling on headshots tends to be heavy overkill

[midnight horizon]

Kinda like the axe from Minecraft

You miss a hit, you wait longer to be able to do another strong hit

Losing potential damage by a lot

Yeah idk where I'm going with this analogy

[midnight horizon]

True

But who cares about that when you can melee and never have such problems

https://tenor.com/view/demon-slayer-kimetsu-no-yaiba-zenitsu-zenitsu-agatsuma-zenitsu-vs-tongue-demon-gif-14891807865161437320

[nocturne spindle]

Yea I'll concede that there are more reasons to use multishot over acuity in most cases but I just find it satisfying to trigger it

[brittle sleet]

As long as people understand the use cases for each then this channel is doing its job

[midnight horizon]

Huh

[midnight horizon]

Swoosh swooosh swing swing

Idk if you can tell but I like melee

[midnight horizon]

Only melee I use is Xoris... Sometimes I don't equip melee

missin out ngl

[midnight horizon]

Nah I am not, I just can't find Melee that appealing to me

The satisfaction of hitting an enemy with one slash, then watching them bleed to death

[midnight horizon]

Only did that on some other games I play

Thing is, I don't know any melee that can one shot anything unless I use a heavy build on it

That's why it's like.... Yeah

I'm more into guns too sooooo

[main silo]

what would be a good intermediate upgrade for my Hek for nova? i spent time getting my standing for felarx before relaising its mr 14 locked 🙂

[odd dome]

what MR? and how do you feel about liches? lol

[main silo]

im mr9 i got a lich i can kill for a sobek atm - but i lose my multishot mod from the hek

also its super low wep bonus 🙁

would it be better tha the hek u think?

[odd dome]

hek is just slow, it's like a single target gun

[nocturne spindle]

It'd have better base stats so it's a worthy tradeoff imo

[main silo]

aye ok

[odd dome]

sobek is also worth investing in, one of the few adversary weapons I actually took to 40

[main silo]

oh ok, i got the last rune and stab to do for him, ill give it a whirl - i was looking forward to my feralx and didnt really notice the mr lock on it lol

[odd dome]

I main nova and use felarx a lot, so it will be good later!

it's annoying to reload but you can use synth set tricks + the incarnon evolution to weapon swap and it basically instant reloads while you're on secondary

[main silo]

oh nice , yeah i love my nova

yeah ill go fr the sobek then and see how it goes

i just need something with a bit more oomph to it now i think

thx 🙂

[ancient comet]

For Torid Incarnon, is galvanized aptitude better than serration if you already have a Riven with high critical chance and critical damage?, since my Riven already pushes crit scaling very high, I’m wondering if Galvanized Aptitude provides better real DPS in steel Path / endurance compared to running serration or amalgam serration for base damage.
What build do you recommend for orid Incarnon? I’ve seen a lot of different builds, but honestly I’m pretty confused

I’m missing High Voltage in the last mod slot

[brittle sleet]

Off the top of my head, GalvApt doesn't take into consideration any weapon's incarnon damage boost when calculating the extra damage it calculates, nor will it affect the AoE portion of Torid, so Serration is the move

But if you're running Merciless and keeping its bonus active then it doesn't matter much

[ancient comet]

Thank you very much for the reply, then I’ll go with amalgam serration

[fierce lark]

if you want you can make a second config with elementalist instead of elec for things without armor

techrot etc

im not sure what the exact stats on the riven are but critical delay might be better than vital sense, would be very close either way

if you care to optimize, divide your crit chance % by 100, add 1, and multiply it by your crit damage

whichever mod gives the higher product should be better

barring the slight dps loss from -20% attack speed (barely noticeable when you have vile accel + reinforced bond)

[hot minnow]

any early game primary weapon recommendations? I kinda rushed a bit and I'm just barely completing some lv40 missions, melee is carrying me so far

[fierce lark]

hek

kuva/tenet anything if you're above mr5 and know how the lich system works

or do new war and get nataruk

will carry you to and through steel path

[hot minnow]

I'm on hex already somehow

I'm reaching sedna

[fierce lark]

you've done the hex quest?

[hot minnow]

yeah

[fierce lark]

reconifex is probably crazy strong early

what is your MR?

[hot minnow]

7 I think

almost reaching 8

[fierce lark]

oh recon is mr14 nvm

yeah, craft a hek from market or do a kuva lich/sister of parvos and get one of the kuva/tenet weapons

[hot minnow]

thanks I'll look those up

[fierce lark]

the tenet glaxion/arca plasmor can scale into endgame and the kuva hek/kohm/sobek are solid

cant speak on anything else, the kuva karakk might be alright

oh and tenet envoy

[near vortex]

kuva hek gets used to 1-2 tap level cap Thrax

[fierce lark]

the tenet cycron/plinx/diplos are good as well, and the kuva nukor is one of the best pistols in the game

[hot minnow]

thanks, so far xoris and broken war are carrying me, then at some point they were doing almost no damage and I swapped to Excalibur umbra exiled but it's getting annoying not dealing any damage

[fierce lark]

if you're in base starchart not dealing damage it's more than likely a modding issue

both broken war and xoris should easily blow up everything up until at least steel path, with basic builds

xoris is one of the best melees in the game even at endgame

[hot minnow]

yeah, that's what I heard so I saved them

[fierce lark]

save everything you get from quests

cause they suck ass to get back, and most of the weapons are actually good

[hot minnow]

I've looked up some builds for them and they require some harder missions to even get, so I'm kinda stuck improvising with what I can, so I that's asked for suggestions

[fierce lark]

could probably help more if we saw the build you're running currently

[hot minnow]

yeah pretty much every weapon from quests is horrible to get back

[hot minnow]

I'll take a screenie then ping you

[fierce lark]

majority of them are simaris

which is ass aids to grind

[tidal parrot]

guys is this a good build 🤔 i dont see a lot of builds for these "frames"

[hot minnow]

xoris 100k 💀

[fierce lark]

lmao sure

not like there's exactly a lot of options for necramechs

[mighty flare]

forgot name but use the speed mods if you have them

[fierce lark]

thats just the blueprint, the pieces each cost another 15k lmao

[hot minnow]

I also bought torid cuz people were gassing it up but it's not even good until you get incarnon so that was a waste

[fierce lark]

you bought it for plat?

[tidal parrot]

voidrig shoots, not moves plus i get damage reduction for hovering

[hot minnow]

no I just got it normally

[fierce lark]

okay so

[mighty flare]

confused? you said speed mods bad cuz you stay in 4, but aviator is bad for same reason?

[hot minnow]

it does do damage but 5 bullets is annoyingly low

[tidal parrot]

well i cant use my archgun if im charging

[fierce lark]

nah nvm you won't be able to go from like lvl 40 missions to finishing angels of the zariman in 1 day

[mighty flare]

charging?

[hot minnow]

can't I grind one of those beam upgrades and do it?

[tidal parrot]

sprint charge same thing

[hot minnow]

or is the regular Warframe combat the hard part

[fierce lark]

actually

you don't need full star-chart completion for the new war anymore do you?

[hot minnow]

I mean I'm at the hex so no

[fierce lark]

oh so you HAVE completed the new war

[hot minnow]

yeah

only angels and the new peace one left

[fierce lark]

okay so

[mighty flare]

okay do ur own thing lol

[fierce lark]

if you do angels of the zariman

and you're willing to spend 120 platinum

you might be able to buy the incarnon adapter from cavalero

wouldn't be my first choice of platinum expenditure, but if you don't get it now you won't be able to get it for 8 weeks

so if you want the torid incarnon before then that's the only way

personally i'd just use the nataruk you got from new war

[tidal parrot]

theres still a full like day roughly to do circuit and its doable in a open squad with like basically just the operator from what ive heared

[fierce lark]

they don't have steel path

[tidal parrot]

ah

chop chop ig

[fierce lark]

i don't know exactly how many starchart missions they have left but

getting sp open and grinding t5 circuit is probably not an option atp

unless they're very close

which is possible, lvl 40 is pretty much the top end of base starchart

[hot minnow]

I can finish the system for steel path I was just wondering if there was an easier option

[fierce lark]

there is but it would cost you 120p

[hot minnow]

and incarnon only drops from sp circuit

[fierce lark]

yeah

[hot minnow]

rip

[old marsh]

which incarnon do u want anyways? there r always alternatives

[hot minnow]

I didn't want one in specific, I just mentioned I got torid over a recommendation, but it will be a while until I get it, and I'm kinda stuck right now, so that's why I mentioned it

there's some other easier ones to get, I don't mind any in specific

[fierce lark]

next week is burston

top 2 primary

[hot minnow]

I think I'll just finish what I can from the system and do arbitrations

like you said, some good mods can probably get me there

[maiden oracle]

You need SP unlocked to buy it anyways

[fierce lark]

oh

[maiden oracle]

Yeah

Found that out myself when I tried buying
I think it was the Burston Incarnon without SP unlocked

[midnight horizon]

What's the top 1?

[maiden oracle]

Torid Incarnon prob

[midnight horizon]

Touché

[mossy juniper]

question.... does this work on dodge too or just bullet jump for gyre

[maiden oracle]

Wel the parkour velocity should affect rolling

Are you asking if the electric also applies to Gyre's roll or?

[mossy juniper]

yes that

[maiden oracle]

Don't think it will no

Since it specifically says on bullet junp

[mossy juniper]

reason i dont bullet jump

[mighty flare]

parkour velocity applies to rolls yeah, also amalgam barrel diffusion

[subtle pivot]

What ability would I subsume over with Roar for Sevagoth nuke build?

[midnight horizon]

Nothing or if you want survivability, do Omamori

[subtle pivot]

If I wanted to get the 100% dmg from it? Without using a primer weapon

[midnight horizon]

Roar

Nothing else

[subtle pivot]

I have nautilus thats about pretty much it. Dont got epitaph for priming